This is Joo podcast number 32 with Echo Charles and me Joo Willink And since Joo podcast number 31 went long with the very heavy and dark book We decided to end that one and not do any Q&A which means that today we have 100% Q&A for the troops and obviously this comes from the questions come from you all that are listening um mostly on Twitter and on Facebook is where I get these questions from So thanks to everyone for submitting these questions so that we can answer them for you Echo good evening Good evening All right first question Uh I want to say I like this first question a lot It’s a good question Yep Anyway Ekko approves of the first question I approve most questions for sure U okay first question How does one who grew up in the ghetto quote unquote involved with gangs drugs witnessing murders and all that good stuff overcome that mentality where you your guard is always up? Coming from a family of immigrants and growing up really poor we had to make a lot of sacrifices And as I get older I feel that in some of these ways um in some ways this affects my daily life I’m proud of my beginnings and I cherish my mistakes But still even in my senior year in college I feel some resentment towards these privileged kids who seem like they have it all I really find it hard to get along with them because in a way I see them as weak because they haven’t suffered through hard times or have have to struggle as a minority What should I do to learn to love them and respect them as equals? Yeah that is that is a good question I definitely have seen uh seen that seen people go through that mentality Yeah Where they’re they’re having that attitude And I’ll tell you uh when I was a kid I actually I had a girlfriend when I was a kid This this girl and you know and her friend was my friend as well So we were all kind of friends And one of the girls one of the things that she said which I thought was brilliant and she said uh everybody has a hard luck story Mhm Like like no matter you go and talk to somebody they had their struggle that they went to went through and you know whether it was divorce whether it was abuse whether it was money struggles whether there was fighting in the house whether it was jail whether there’s drugs whether it was alcoholic or workaholic or whatever whatever situation you’ve been in everybody’s got a hard luck story or something that challenged them and it might not be really obvious on the surface I mean you know for instance this question here the the fact the way that the question is phrased you can hear he’s talking about the the things that we you know he said “Family of immigrants growing up really poor we had to make a lot of sacrifices ” Right? So right there right there you can see that he’s got a certain amount of familial pride Mhm And he’s talking about his family as we and a group of being together And you know that might not be money That might not be expensive clothes but that’s an incredibly powerful thing It’s you’re incredibly lucky to have that Now you tell me who’s who’s more who has a tougher challenge? the person that grows up in a tight-knit family where everyone sticks together and everyone makes sacrifices together or the kid who grows up whose dad makes a ton of money Dad’s never home Dad chooses literally chooses work over the family And how does that affect the kid’s personality? You know I mean the kids kids can come from any background and end up in really tough situations with drugs alcohol addiction whatever that came from really good circumstances or really bad circumstances It doesn’t even matter You can come from both So so that’s part one Part one is like you know you don’t know what kind of struggles other people have been through They might have been they might have they might be a a 22year-old senior in college driving a BMW that has more demons in their life than you do So it’s it’s a little bit arrogant to walk around and think that your demons are worse than anybody else’s demons You just don’t you just don’t know what their demons are Now on top of that if you just want to look at like the privilege the monetary side of it I I promise you that despite the fact that you grew up in a ghetto and you had your family had to make sacrifices there are people that you’re the privileged kid cuz you get some kid that grew up in South America or some kid that grew up in Africa that you know you think you had it tough They didn’t have a house they they got you know uh political strife in their city they watched their parents get killed whatever So you’re a privileged person to somebody else So let’s keep that in mind as well And once again you don’t know what that looks like You don’t know what kind of struggles people have been through So let’s just try and I’ll use the term judge Let’s try and judge people not on what they are but on who they are as a person And you know for me you you know you talked about the the minority thing It to me I don’t care about race color creed None of that stuff matters to me I don’t care about socioeconomic background None of that stuff matters to me I don’t judge you on that You know why? Because in the military in the SEAL teams the the the good SEALs came from every background Every one of those backgrounds The bad SEALs came from every one of those backgrounds There was there was kids that grew up rich with a silver spoon in their mouth They were awesome seals There were kids that grew up in the ghetto and their parents were gangbangers awesome seals Same as reverse is true There was kids that grew up with a silver spoon in their mouth and went to a private school and they were horrible seals And there was kids that grew up gangbangers and they were horrible seals So it doesn’t matter What matters is not what you are It’s who you are as a person So I yeah I’m I’m not going to I’m I’m not going to judge And in fact if there’s if I was to name some negative traits that do bother me it’s one of them would be judging people based on you know stereotypes judging people judging the book by its cover If you’re doing that that’s a negative You know that is a weakness So so just check yourself and realize that you don’t know what people’s backgrounds are You don’t know what goes on behind closed doors You don’t know what tough situation people have been through And judge them not based on that stuff Just judge them on who they are as a person Yeah Yeah Fully And and I think this kind of helps You know how let’s say like um let’s say you’re in a boat right? Like a rowboat Mhm and you’re all trying to get upstream and you have all different kinds of people and then you have you have weaker people and you have stronger people and the strong person put whether it’s by his choice or not he’s strong he can you know he’s been working out I don’t know he’s in shape he can row a lot so he went through all this sacrifice but at the end he’s a stronger person so you can look at it in a way where you now have the power so be respons responsible with your power like to help So you have to it’s like you have a bigger burden but you have to embrace that not burden but you have a bigger workload because you’re more prepared for it in life Yeah And and actually speaking to that so now that means that you have the power to to give people knowledge and perspective on what you’ve been through and that’s important Now there’s two ways to do that We talk about this all the time If I go up to you Ekko and I say hey you don’t know what you’re doing Let me show you the correct way to film this Let me show you the correct way to use this microphone Right You How would you feel about that? I don’t know if I would like that No No Of course you wouldn’t If I came up to you and said “Listen you don’t know what it’s like to struggle ” Are you going to be Are you going to be open to hear what I’m about to say? No you’re not No one is Yeah No one is But if I said “Hey man it’s really good to meet you ” Oh And then we start developing a relationship I You know it’s one thing that we got to remember is what it’s like for maybe some people You know when I was growing up I had to deal with this Oh okay Now your mind is open to it You start learning You start growing yourself So by not being arrogant and by being humble and thinking that you have you may have been through worse things for than me or whatever the case may be we’re we’re actually going to make each other better And that’s the goal here Yeah So you just got to stay humble on these things and and it’ll be it’ll it’ll work out better for you in the end It will absolutely work out better for you in the end Yeah judge people by the content of their character I believe is a uh a way of putting it that makes a lot of sense to me Yep Next question Joo and Ekko how do you guys feel about the Enenoi situation demoting yourself after time off the mat? So this was a pretty interesting question and it’s there’s a guy named Inen Anoi and he’s a he’s a old school jiu-jitsu guy old school MMA guy and he’s a black belt in jiu-jitsu but he fought in UFC he fought in Pride he was the shudo champion He’s just a just a a really old school kind of OG from Hawaii by the way from Hawaii and just a just a really wellrespected guy as a fighter and a guy that you know his he he he he kind of had that warrior ethos that people talk about you know where he would say “Look I’m I’m I would rather die in this fight than lose ” And and he meant it And so he’s been but he moved to Japan He’s of Japanese heritage and he moved to Japan a long time ago I mean I want to say 10 or maybe 15 maybe even longer Yeah I think longer Yeah I’m not sure A long time ago he moved back to Japan He’s he’s uh you know that’s where he’s kind of built his life is in Japan And along the way I think his last fight was maybe maybe 8 to 10 years ago was his last fight And since then you know there was the the horrible earthquake and the tsunami in Japan And he did work as sort of a as sort of a charity to raise money and help out those victims So that’s what he’s been focused on He’s been focused on I guess his family and whatever else But in that time he he he strayed off the mats of justice He stopped the training And and so you know he he had other things going on in his life and he stopped training I don’t recommend anybody stopped training And um but for whatever reason he he stopped training And he stopped training And I I saw a little interview with him as he was talking about this He stopped training for like 10 years 10 years of no he said no training He just was stopped training And now all you know he’s cuz he’s a jiu-jitsu guy Eventually jiu-jitsu gets back in your brain And he started getting back on the mats And when he got back on the mats he felt that he didn’t deserve to be a black belt anymore And it wasn’t just because he was his timing was off or he was out of condition He felt like jiu-jitsu had had changed And he’s right In the last 10 years jiu-jitsu has changed a lot And you know what? Yesterday jiu-jitsu changed a lot And the day before I mean jiu-jitsu changes every day Every day it changes I’m I’m I’m shocked Uh Dean will come up with some new thing Dean’s very very good at coming up with new things And he comes up with a new thing like something I I neither one of us had thought of He probably does that once or twice a month He comes up with this new thing I might do it once every 3 to 6 months maybe where I go “Okay I thought of something new ” And I’m all excited And Dean goes “Well no just put your hips over there and so it’s it’s just one of those things that it changes ” And so Anson got on the mat again and said “Oh I don’t I don’t think I deserve to be a black belt right now ” And so he demoted himself back to the purple belchie And so people so the question is how do I feel about it? Oh and by the way since this question got asked he actually repromoted himself back to black belch right? So and how did that go down? That was John he talked to his his his instructor that gave him the black belt right John Lewis? From what I understand I didn’t read as much into that part of it I was I was mainly just reading other people’s um takes on it you know like their reaction But But you didn’t go to the source material Always go to the source material about the concept more always go to the source of truth about the concept anyway Um I’m not I’m not But he had a conversation with John Lewis and John Lewis said what what was the overall do you know what he said well whatever he said I I did go to the source material there you go and but I don’t want to quote it exactly but John Lewis basically said look you deserved a black belt oh and you know what he said he said look someone that’s a doctor that became a doctor and then that’s not practicing but then they want to get back in the field they don’t not become a doctor right they just go and learn the new techniques and get refreshed They don’t have to take their doctor tag off their door right? And he said “You’re a doctor of jiu-jitsu You just got to get refreshed with the new techniques and get back into it ” And Enson said “Okay ” You know he he agreed with it and he promoted himself back to black belt So you know again I think from my from my perspective um I I say good for him I think both those actions I agree with I think it’s actually pretty cool that he demoted himself and and said “You know what? I don’t I don’t I haven’t been in the game I got out of the game and I don’t deserve to be a black belt right now So I’m not going to put I’m not going to put it on I’m disgracing the black belt ” But I also see the mind flip of hey you know what? I fought and trained for a giant portion of my life and I have innate knowledge that got me the black belt and now I need to get back in the game but I’m still a black belt I I I really respect Enson I think he’s a I think he’s a guy with a lot of heart and pride and I respect his decision I think it’s pretty simple from my perspective Yep Yeah That was man it’s one of those things where when you hear someone make a good point about one side of of the whole deal you’re like “Oh yeah that’s true ” And then you see someone else making when I saw it I was like “Dang that is good ” He that is so humble And he and he’s really keeping it real He’s like “I’m not a black belt I’m going to I think I’m a purple belt there Here’s where I am “ And then um Chris Hower who’s um he’s you know one of the original OG guys and bro that guy is smart Um he he said essentially kind of the same thing as as John Lewis were What did he say? Kind of the same thing where you you know jiu-jitsu changes be changing whether you’re doing it or not And you earned it You’re the black belt You know your instructors um you know recognize you as a black belt You are a black belt regardless And just cuz you jumped back on the wave of jiu-jitsu and maybe weren’t as good as at surfing you know you’re still you’re still that that black belt Um you just got to like how you said you just got to get refreshed with all the new techniques if you want to you know be up this way And he said it way more eloquently than that obviously But man read reading that I was like dang he’s right man But but he did say that it’s like it’s kind of like false humility which um I dig pretty much everything Chris Hutter has to say about jiu-jitsu but I couldn’t really get there as far as me feeling that it was false in any way No Yeah I don’t I don’t I don’t I don’t think so either Yeah I didn’t I didn’t feel that um you know whether or not I understood exactly what what Chris was saying Yeah I guess I could see what he’s saying where he could come to that conclusion a little bit but I don’t I don’t agree with that piece of it I don’t cuz to me it’s actually hey look guys I don’t think there’s anything false about saying “Hey I am not good enough to be a black belt right now so therefore I’m putting on I think I’m about purple belt level I know what it feels like to be a black belt and I don’t feel like one right now ” Yeah I think that makes sense Yeah So I mean it does to me too And and but ultimately I think it’s it’s it’s however you and I think your instructors have a lot to do with it as well How however you want to see it you know? I mean I cuz there is a lot to be said for someone who will do that cuz a lot of guys they get their black belt and they’re gone and they’ll be like “Hey ” And some guys do it If they get their brown belt they get their brown belt I’m gone I’m a brown belt Cool It does happen sometimes but it shouldn’t happen at all what guys get their black belt and then stop training right? I know a few guys like that but you know so it’s like hey I got my black belt And I’m not saying they chose to do that Yeah The thing that’s weird about that the thing that makes that surprising is that it takes a lot of dedication to get your black belt And the only way you can have that much dedication is if you actually enjoy training jiu-jitsu And if you don’t enjoy training jiu-jitsu then you go get your black belt Why would you stop training? That doesn’t make sense to me It’s kind of like the the the fact that people talk about going through SEAL training and they say “Oh do you really if some if you just if you they think if you you can make it through if you don’t want to make it through If you don’t truly want to make it through then guess what? You’re you’re probably not going to make it through ” And it’s the same thing with jiu-jitsu If you don’t really enjoy it if you’re doing it just for the black belt it’s kind of it’s kind of hard to do it just for the black belt That’s my point Just like if you’re going to go through SEAL training just to get your sealed trident and just to claim hey I’m a Navy Seal If that’s the only reason that you’re doing it it’s going to be hard for you to get through right? So so I would imagine anywhere I would guess that it wasn’t their only reason but let’s just say either that was a big reason to begin with or just over time that started to be the the reason you know you know I mean people can fall in and out of that mindset and that trap you know where it’s like I just want that that belt I want to walk around and be known as a black belt or whatever and then that mindset starts to just creep in their mind and it becomes like a major part of their thinking So it’s like dang this work especially when frustration comes in and life that’s that’s one of the kind of cool things about no ghee in the idea that and and everyone gives belts now with no ghee I mean Dean gives belts with no ghee I mean I support giving belts with no gee even though Guy never wears a ghee and he doesn’t need a belt but you know you say “Oh this guy’s a black belt ” But one thing that is cool about no gee and kind of especially during the uh during the rogue years of no gee where it wasn’t a thing yet and we were just doing it and there were guys at the time that were only Didn’t you start off training only no ghee? Yep Yeah There were guys that only trained no ghee So it was really a real thing of the belts literally didn’t matter because they didn’t exist And then it was just how good are you? Where do you fall out on the totem pole of I can tap you you can’t tap me but this guy can tap me and I you know what I mean? That there was something pretty cool about that because belts for me have never been a goal or anything Um really to me to me I just wanted to be better at at the jiu-jitsu Yeah I mean but regardless that is a part of it for a lot I don’t know a lot but for some people’s thinking So I think with that way of thinking I think I think it can be like that They’ll get a black belt and be like “Oh finally Now I get to focus on my career Yeah I’m a black belt “ And I would the other important thing about this is like don’t stop training jiu-jitsu Like don’t just stop cold turkey man That’s not good Even if you can only train a couple times a week or once even if you train once a week man train once a week you know just to keep your head in the game Keep your do at least you can see the new moves You can see where things are developing Maybe that’ll ignite your desire to get back on the mat more But don’t stop training you know And even on the days when you don’t want to there’s one day when you don’t want to train go train that day Yep You know Yeah Go train that day What it does too a big part of it it is it keeps your body in tune with the jiu-jitsu movement just the general movement because that’s what one of the things that Enson said where he was like “My body wasn’t moving the same It wasn’t moving ” And there it’s one thing to be like “Okay I’m getting older I’m less mobile ” But negative jiu-jitsu move Yeah we don’t know anything about that the but jiu-jitsu movement there’s a certain kind of movement that develops just kind of naturally you know when you’re rolling all the time And if you lose that 10 years I could see you lose that So it’s like dang my hip escape is really labored right now And I it’s it’s hard to do when it’s so easy to do normally you know So you know I can I can understand I see that you know Um but yeah and this really goes with anything anything that you’re doing like any you know where you find this also is people that are in business that whatever whatever level they advanced out of Mhm they they then let’s say it’s a they they move out of a technical position and they move up to a management position Don’t just walk away completely from the technical side Like just go go do it once a week Go get in the game Make sure that you still understand so that you stay so that you stay in the game and you don’t lose You don’t wake up because you were a black belt That’s why you got promoted above into a management position You were a black belt in that technical side and they saw potential for you So when you walk away from it or when you move up don’t just walk away completely Stay in the game Go do you know if you’re in the military just because you got promoted to whatever a company commander or or a staff guy on the battalion don’t you just say “Well I’m never going to go in the kill house again “ No no no go in the kill house Even if you can only do it once every week or or maybe once a month you just get to go and and keep your head in the game You got to do that So you stay fresh you stay like you said you keep that mental game there Whereas if you just walk away you And when I would have guys that were senior to me come out and go through little blocks of training with us maybe they come out and go to the kill house with us for a day they didn’t know what they were doing They didn’t know what they were doing Part of it was because they walked away for too long But even when they didn’t know what they were doing you were still like “Hey man Good for him for coming out ” You know it wasn’t like you said “Oh look at him He doesn’t know I don’t respect him ” No you’re actually Act actually the opposite is true You’d say “Oh man Props props to the boss here for coming out and getting after it with the boys for a day ” Yeah He doesn’t know what he’s doing but maybe we can help him Yeah And if they had that mentality the whole time cuz it’s pretty it’s a lot easier to maintain a skill than it is to learn it Yeah So all you have to do you’re a black belt man get on the mat once a week you know just just get in there and roll with some people Roll them up Yeah But um I back to Enson I dig it either way I I I even dig it that he did it and then really took some peer review and was like “Hey I maybe didn’t look at it this way ” It was an open-minded decision-m process Yeah He went back in went to his instructor Yeah we support that one big time Went back to the instructor and he was like “Hey ” And he was like “Yes yes sir “ you know that’s kind of where where it all came from and he and he went back to black belt Even that I can’t help but respect you know whole situation Hey what if this is like a whole side note what if what if you go like um like who gave you your black Fabio right? No Dean Lester Dean Okay So let’s say you you took 10 years off you came back and rolled with Dean Oh no And Dean was like “Bro I’m I am your instructor I’m taking your belt I’m giving you a purple belt That would be awesome ” But but like is that is that cool? Like you know as far as like can you do that or what? How do you feel about that? I I don’t know But that would be very cool to see that happen Even just even just Oh you want to hear you want to hear an old school story? An old school jiu-jitsu story? Of course it is Okay This is awesome So uh back in the day back in the day I was a blue belt Uh Dean was I think Dean was a blue belt too He might have been a purple belt M and there was another person that was a blue belt at the time My wife your wife was a blue belt Was a blue belt and she was good She’s a really good athlete Is that how you met your wife? No jiu-jitsu She was I I imposed jiu-jitsu upon her once we were back Good So you know it was all good And we were training with Fabio and Fabio’s you know Fabio’s great instructor and and we were at the academy one day and there’s a guy from out of town in right and he’s a purple belt Mhm So you know purple belt you know you figure the guy’s good This is back in the day too This is in the in the mid 90s so probably like 90 I want to say 96 Mhm And so this guy comes in from out of town And you know there wasn’t that many jiu-jitsu schools in San Diego So it was like two right? It was that there was Fabio there was Rodrigo I think that was it at the time So anyways this guy comes in He’s kind of a He’s probably 35 years old probably 150 lbs purple belt So you know we’re rolling and and we’re a little bit like okay the guy’s a purple belt Um but there’s that attitude of the guys know the guy knows what he’s doing So I didn’t roll with him but I’m watching him I’m rolling with Dean We’re doing our thing And it’s kind of the open mat period And and Fabio has him roll with my wife And so my wife’s you know she’s good She’s But she’s a they’re rolling And he gets her in a choke He gets her in a rear naked choke And she buries her chin like a white belt of like a like a defense you know? I’m going to bury my chin so he’s not going to choke me He chokes her face Like I’m talking legit gets after it on her face and she starts crying Dang And a little bit of blood Oh dang And what you guys Oh okay So so I’m just like And so I hear her scream or whatever like and then and then uh you know she gets up and he lets go and he’s kind of like “Oh sorry Uh blah blah blah ” And Fabio looks at me He goes and the guy didn’t know it was my wife Fabio goes Fabio goes “Jaco you roll with him now ” And I go “Okay ” So I even I I was like “Okay I’m going to smash him but I didn’t intentionally like assault him I just smashed him I mean I’m I crushed him and submitted him but I didn’t like break his arm and but I smashed him “ And I was doing a lot of knee stomach at the at the time So I was just driving you know it was like an early version of the park bench So I was doing I had knee and his neck and was smashing him and um and then I get done and I wore him out pretty good and Fabio was like “Now I will roll with you ” and Favio tore him up and uh was like cracking arm bars on him and choking him and smashing him and then the guy’s like the guy’s like broken down and Fabio is Fabio said you’re not a purple belt and I can’t remember if he took his purple belt but he kicked him out and he said don’t ever come back here and you’re not a purple belt and I think he took his purple belt and said you’re not a purple belt no you know he he’s he also said I have one thing I I remember him saying is like “This girl’s been training here for 2 and 1/2 years She’s never been hurt She’s never had a problem You come in here and hurt this girl You’re not a purple boat You don’t know what you’re doing Give me a purple belt ” Dang Yeah So that was a cool demotion Yeah Courtesy of Fabio Santos Old school jiu-jitsu right there son Yeah Dang Yeah That’s um Yeah Different situation though Yes it is a different situation But but I think I I don’t know Maybe we need to see more demotions in jiu-jitsu That’s That’s a possibility Maybe I need to get started on that Demote myself right now Yeah Yeah Yeah So all right That’s awesome But yeah Yeah man Old school jiu-jitsu Fabio Yeah But it’s kind of interesting though right? Cuz it that kind of falls the same in the same way like in the same line as is is that acceptable for a professor to demote their student if they lost a step? Or once you earn that that black belt or the brown whatever the belt is once you earn it it’s like you paid those dues Yeah You know it’s a hard tough one is it? Yeah Yeah Yeah Interesting I I don’t know I think I think I might be wrong in terms of the way people view it But I think demotion is is kind of cool I think I think more demotions need to happen Like oh you haven’t been coming to the gym for two years Cool Give me your brown belt You know what I mean? Hey man sorry You know yeah no one’s ever going to come to my academy No one never I would say that that could be the case if the re like if you’re if you’re this highly competitive uh philosophy type team where you if you go out in a tournament you have to represent and that was the culture real rigid like that then yeah but you know jiu-jitsu for life you know you can take 10 years off jiu-jitsu is kind of part of you or whatever you were awarded this belt through your time and efforts and stuff like that but it’s like now I got to worry about all my time and effort Yeah That would scare people off that they go like I don’t want to go back cuz I don’t want to get demoted Exa Yeah Exactly Now I got to do I got to earn it back Yeah But like I said if there was a job that you had to do basically it’s like if you have a job to do as a brown belt you have to represent you know like in a in a company or something You can’t be the director of sales get that job and then now your performance sucks You know you can’t rem because you have a job to do But like I said jiu-jitsu is not really a job where I don’t know I mean when you’re a brown belt in a school you have to go and help train the other people That’s part of your job right? Yeah Yeah You have to show up and train with me right? Yeah Yeah For sure And yeah if you’re violating some you know some ethics or something like that then I mean even then you don’t really take away the belt You take away their whole like get out of here you But I think so so the bottom line is although I think demotions would be cool I don’t think it’s probably going to happen And I think that the I think that tradition cuz although I do believe I think demotion is a good idea I also do like some of the traditional aspects of jiu-jitsu And one of the traditional aspects is when you get a belt it’s your belt Yeah you did it You put in all that time all that effort all that knowledge you know All right You get to keep your belt people Barely But here’s the here’s the thing I think that’s that’s interesting about that You know what’s funny is at the gym I will shout out things like like take that guy’s take his brown belt Like if a purple bell is really doing good against a brown belt I’ll be like take his brown belt from him Do it Yeah Or Yeah Or you I’m kind of an instigator sometimes And I like that I like that That’s part of our fun culture where you can say or if you roll with it Let’s say like um I’ll do this with like my friends or whatever They’re a brown belt and a and it’s you know same belt as you and you get them and you get them like kind of easy or with a new move or something that’s real flashy or something You take their belt and say like you don’t deserve that right now You know we’re going to roll and you can’t wear a belt You know but it’s a joke You know what I mean? But I think that that’s kind of what’s in our minds anyway So let’s say a guy rolls in he’s a brown belt and he’s getting smashed or whatever by like purple belts Yeah That’s one of one of the best things about jiu-jitsu is that the belt it doesn’t really mean anything does it? If you’re a black belt and you come in there getting smashed by blue belts no one’s sitting there thinking “Wow he’s a black belt ” They’re thinking “No there’s something wrong with him ” Yep Exactly No No black belt here Yeah So that’s that’s one of the best things about jiu-jitsu is the truth is on the mat So I guess it doesn’t you don’t need to get demoted right? Your mere existence is a demotion if you’re not if you’re not training right? So like I like it goes back to what I was saying where you put in all that time because really the belt is based on specific things and those things if you’ve done those things you’ve taken the time is one of them the knowledge the you know understanding of all this all basically all all that the belt is based on that doesn’t really go away You put in that time you have that knowledge you know All right I think Ekko’s scared I’m going to take his belt away Or maybe I’ll take your belt away Bring it Hey there’s going to be about a 45se second break in the podcast right now 45 seconds Anyway All right Next question Dead horse Go Jaco What do I say to someone I’ve trained and later claims this person claims that a certain thing was not covered in the training Uh in addition to the question says obviously excuses Obviously excuses So this is a this is a really pretty common question of how do you handle these situations? And I’ve actually been lucky enough in my life to have run a lot of training in a lot of different situations mostly in the military And I’ve absolutely had this happen And there’s one thing that I do when this happens and you can probably guess what it is I take ownership of it So check it out If somebody comes to me and says “Oh you were supposed to train us on X and you didn’t and I know that I did and it was in the curriculum and we covered it ” I say I don’t say “No I trained you in it Here it is ” No I say “Okay let’s get it trained then What do I got to do? Here it is Let me redo the curriculum Let me show it to you again ” Because here’s the thing As a trainer it’s not just your job And this is what I used to tell my guys when I ran training The guys that were the instructor cadre I’d say “Listen it isn’t your job just to run the training just to provide the training It is your job to ensure that the training is absorbed “ That’s the difference That’s a big difference between philosophies of training I my goal when I’m training someone is to make sure that the training is absorbed into the mind Otherwise go watch a YouTube video because a YouTube video you can see the same instruction Yeah But no I need to seek you out and say okay where where did you miss it? Where? And also where did I fail in my training? If I covered it why don’t you remember it? Yeah that means I didn’t cover it well enough or I didn’t teach it well enough And I think that you you then you retrain them you get them up to speed At some point they’re going to realize that you did train them I mean if they truly forgot or even if they didn’t forget but they’re just placing the blame on you they’re going to realize that you know they’re going to know that you know that you trained them when they when you reflect on the same information and do it again So I think that’s a pretty simple answer Uh when someone is saying you haven’t trained them take responsibility for it take ownership for it and say “Okay then let me get you trained on it ” My my apologies I’m here to train you Let me make sure that I train you and make sure that you absorb it Let’s go I think that your way of training should [Music] be done or performed with kids as well like parents with their kids You know how cuz you know how the kid the kids misbehaving and the parents like “I don’t know why he does that I told him not to pitch a fit ” Well yeah I know you probably told them or you went through the motions of telling them or whatever but man you got to you got to train them and make sure that’s absorbed you know Absolutely So and I always kind of think of it this way Not kind of I really think of it this way where if your kid is misbehaving it’s something you did or didn’t do of course So you can’t really sit there and be like “Oh blaming the kid for misbehaving or whatever ” Yeah You know you’re you’re right I wonder Isn’t it weird that you can have families where one kid can go to go to high school and do well and do great on their SATs and get into a great college and go to and go be a doctor and the other kid can become a heroin addict Yep Isn’t that strange? It It’s interesting But I and I think long time ago I I would talk to you about this like a long time ago And how do we blame the parents? And well that’s the thing That’s the that’s not what I’m saying I’m not saying blame the parents I’m not saying that cuz because that would that if you’re blaming them that’s like saying it’s so easy Why didn’t you do that? I blame you You know kind of thing It’s not easy bro There’s so many different dynamics to every kid’s experience So you know how and this is how the conversation kind of if I remember correctly kind of started when you were like “Hey I have you know four kids or whatever and they’re just different ” You know and um then I said this is before I had kids by the way so you weren’t really feeling what I was Yeah you you didn’t you didn’t really care about that Well not to say you didn’t care what you say Anyway I said um I said you okay it’s kind of complicated So uh oh kids are different Yeah But they’re not just different Like that’s not it That’s not nature Yes Yes Fully So consider every kid’s starting point is different So you can’t expect everyone every kid’s ending point to be the same even though they go through the same experience True Just being the second born you’re starting out as a completely different human being Right Just being 2 years one year 5 years younger than your older brother So those minor variables end up creating some major differences Yes of course So at at certain points in development they’re going to have kind of the same needs but in a different environment So the way that you fulfill those same needs with the first kid are going to look different as far as them being translated with the second kid and the third kid and the four you know however many kids you have So you’d have to make slight adaptations to what you did to the second kid than the first And to keep a handle of all those dynamics is it’s hard So that’s why it’s like Yeah And not only that it’s not an exact science Yeah And and the way kids react or way people It’s not just we’re we’re not just talking about kids here We’re talking about people because you get different people that you hire at different times or different people that join platoon at different times and they have a different attitude So yeah you got to adjust But the the bottom line is the thing that remains constant through all this is that if you’re trying to impart knowledge on people you need to take responsibility not just for showing them the knowledge but to making sure that they absorb the knowledge And the primary methodology of doing that is by explaining to people why they’re doing what they’re doing and why you’re telling them this and why this occurs So if like you said you tell your kid don’t have a temper tantrum and then you never explain to them here’s why you don’t want to have a temper tantrum when you’re doing this You could hurt yourself You could hurt other people You’re going to do things that regret You’re going to like break something in the house I can’t control you I can’t bring you anywhere If you’re going to act like this that means we can’t go out and have fun So you got to explain why right? And once you explain why then people have a better chance of absorbing the information But yes you as a trainer parent leader teacher has the responsibility not just to impart knowledge but to ensure that the knowledge is absorbed Yeah Rant complete Yeah But and of course like I said it’s for parenting it’s not like just that easy you know No parenting is very difficult leadership situation So it’s really a lot like Plinko Really consider it You know what I mean? You start at a different point and all these variables Um but yeah there you go So next question Joo Yes In the SEAL teams you led all male teams Any leadership difference in business in the business worlds with mixed gender or female teams? So first of all in the military I did work with women There’s there’s no women in the SEAL teams but there’s women that are in intel There’s women that are in logistics There’s women in the in the some of the logistics support units that go out in the field sometimes So definitely worked with women in the military and in the civilian sector with with Echelon Front I’ve worked with all kinds of women All kinds of women in every level from CEOs on down to frontline troopers And here’s the deal for me It’s no factor No factor to me Uh what’s a factor to me is can they do their job? Do they have an open mind? Are they humble? Do they treat people with respect? Those are the kind of things that I’m judging It’s like what we talked about earlier I’m judging but I’m not judging based on what they are I’m judging on who they are and who they are as a person So that’s I I see no real difference The leadership the way that you lead doesn’t change In my opinion from the from the women I’ve seen in leadership positions to the men I’ve seen in leadership positions the the the way they lead is successful because the way they lead not because they’re male or female And you know some of the stereotypes that that you might see out there um like like like for instance men are tougher than women or or men or or women are more emotional than men That’s just garbage And if you see I’ve seen at least when you get to a leadership position I’ve definitely seen women that were way tougher than than guys were in terms of hey we got to make this move for the company Here’s what I’m going to do Boom they execute it And I’ve seen men that were way too emotional attached to the scenario and ruin it because they’re just way more emotional than the stereotypical woman might be So that’s why I just don’t think you can trust them I look at a person not whether they’re a man or a woman I’m looking at their the content of their character for the second time I’ll say that today MLK Um and now when we start talking about combat um there’s some physical differences that make that make a definite impact And I talked about on Tim Kennedy if you want to hear hear me talk about that because yeah when you get into some physical things men are stronger than women and so there’s a there’s some physical limitations there but in terms of leadership capabilities in the in the civilian sector there’s yeah I’m not I’m not I’m not worried about men and women Yeah Okay Are there some nuances there? There are there are nuance for instance So like one you’ll hear is um I’ll get asked you know I’m I’m a female and I’m in charge of these guys Uh you know how should I act or what should I do? Cuz they they might not like working for for a for a girl right? And I say they probably that that guy probably wouldn’t like working for a guy either or for a younger guy or for a guy that got moved from another department There’s it’s the same thing It’s the same thing So what are you going to do? It’s the same thing I always say Be humble Listen to what they have to say Keep an open mind That’s what you’re going to do regardless male female whatever It just older younger it doesn’t matter You want it The being a good leader the principles don’t change That’s all there is to it Yeah Cuz Yeah Cuz in as an insecure guy getting getting led or or or or a girl calling shots or whatever will affect them Mhm But like how you said if they if their leadership principles are sound Yeah doesn’t matter they’re making the right call it’s going to be obvious that that like that guy’s messing up or you know like he’s he’s um um acting out of insecurity or not acting um out of insecurity it’s going to be obvious The leadership part as long as that’s sound you’re going to have success Yeah Yeah So yeah I’m that’s no factor to me Yeah Next question But maybe I should bring some of the female leaders that I’ve worked with on the podcast You know the thing the problem with that is they’re no different than the male leaders I’ve worked with Cuz I’m sure that there’s some some women would listen to this and they go “Oh you don’t know how hard it is when X Mhm Oh you don’t No I But that’s what I’m saying Like the good female leaders I’ve worked with have been like “Oh yeah that can be sometimes a problem cuz I’m a woman and here’s what I do to negate it ” Because guess what? The next day I’ll be working with a different client and the it’s a man and he goes “Well you know I have to deal with X and this is how I mitigate it ” So everyone’s dealing with X right? Everyone’s got some factor that they’re trying to overcome And it’s just a good leader will find a way around that factor or find a way to mitigate that factor and a bad leader won’t and will then use that factor as an excuse right? Rather than just as an advantage You know there’s a huge difference between taking ownership of these problems and saying “Oh you know what? Here’s the issue Okay I’m going to own that and I’m going to take care of it I’m going to find a way around it instead of saying “Oh I’m younger I’m older I’m a woman I’m a man trying to lead these ” It’s just like “No you’re you’re a human leading another human being ” And so step up and lead Figure out what the issues are and overcome them Yeah Jaco I’ve taken a lot of inspiration from your phil philosophy of good How do you apply this without succumbing to polyianism? Did I say that right? Polyism Polyananish is is a is a term and it actually comes from a from a novel from I think it’s like the early 1900s but it it uh the name of the novel is Polyiana And anyways Polyiana in the book has this really super positive attitude and it’s almost so positive that it it overwhelms and it kind of changes people’s attitudes in the town But there’s a pjorative meaning of this word which is what this guy’s asking about and it is that is when when someone is like so positive that they that they forget about reality of a situation you know and so that’s that’s that can be absolutely problematic and that is not what I’m telling anybody to do In fact the the let’s let’s not mistake the the good philosophy as one that negates reality That is totally off That’s not what I’m telling anyone to do In fact the very first thing you have to do is accept reality That’s the first thing you got to do You got to look at what’s happening You got to assess it Assess the reality of it And then you say “Okay good ” Now instead of dwelling on the negatives and what’s going to go bad and what’s wrong you deal with them but then you look at okay now what are we going to do positive out of this? What good’s going to come out of this? And that’s that’s all it is It’s definitely not denying or being delusional about the situation by any stretch but it is also not being woe is me and oh this happened and now oh my gosh everything’s going horrible I’m doomed No that’s that’s not what I’m talking about Obviously I’m not talking about that And it’s also not like it’s okay Everything’s wonderful No that’s why the term is good and not wonderful right? I’m not saying everything’s wonderful but good Okay Now what are we going to find out of this? What are we going to figure out of this? What are we going to make happen now? Because I’m going to deal with reality I’m going to accept reality I’m going to accept reality Yeah Then there’s some people that you know like the the self-help gurus that are like “No I’m just not going to accept that I It’s not going to happen you make your own reality I’m going to be so positive that I’m going to get that million dollars tomorrow you know No no actually you’re not going to get that million dollars tomorrow You’re going to have to work You’re going to have to work for a long time You’re going to have to work hard You’re going to have to stay focused on your goals And then you’ll get your million dollars Good See how strong you are after Yes Yes So that’s it Deal with reality accept reality then find the good in it and move forward That’s a cool video by the way that you that you made You like that video? Yep I do I think is that Are you fishing for a compliment? That video is uh that video has been a lot of people watch that video Yeah It’s interesting too because you made that video and you made another video Where does discipline come from? Right And and I actually personally I like the where does discipline come from video better But the good video it just strikes a chord with people right? The because I think I think because it applies so universally to negativity in the world like okay yep these bad things are happening right now In fact I get so much feedback of people that literally say you know thank you for introducing me to that idea that philosophy because it’s changed my attitude and now when things go wrong I say good Now what am I going to do about it? Right? So I think that’s why that video is is is quite popular That and the unbelievable editing that was done when it was put together Yeah Sure Yeah And it it does seem like a real um like personal like deeply personal thing like because it it’s like it’s more um it’s not this like sensationalization of it It’s just it’s real kind of kind of dark whatever And like how you said like the negative part of it It’s like a um I said this last time where it’s a painkiller It’s not a multivitamin You know what do you mean by that? I’ve heard you say that before Meaning like if you have a problem you you know okay just in nature when when you’re going along whatever your brain is is evolved to to recognize problems and if something isn’t a problem it’ll start to filter that out That’s just how your brain is So in life when you have problems that’s what’s always on the radar Now you have this little personal like tool that’s talking to you of how to deal with those problems Nice You know what I mean? So um so it’s it’s kind of that like the discipline Where does discipline come from? It’s kind of that’s more starts to go into the multivitamin thing where it’s like there’s not a big problem I’m going to try to recognize it as a problem I need more discipline you know but it’s not really this huge problem but it does help you know kind of thing So it’s like a multivitamin Interesting Um but I like the discipline one as well Okay next question Coach Jako what are your thoughts on I wonder who does that mean? A jiu-jitsu guy wrote that? Uh I think so Must be it must be But is it someone from like the gym? You think? I don’t know To address me as coach And first of all if you come to my gym you don’t have to call me coach I know Kind of weird Kind of weird to me Maybe that’s why he’s doing maybe he just knows I’m a black belt and thinks I should be called coachable Yeah Or it could be like one like chief you know? Hey what’s up chief? What’s up coach? I’ve heard coach before In fact I don’t mind coach in that regard But you’re only a brown belt How can you like coach? No but I’m in life you know So when I remember when I said a long time ago where I was like “Yeah you don’t like chief ” No I I don’t mind Oh you don’t like boss? Boss Yes Or dude when a girl says dude But I actually I used to joke and I would say “Look guys if you don’t feel comfortable calling me sensei or instructor or coach you can just call me master Either one But the reality is just call me Jaco please Yeah I heard someone call you coach Um it was you know how certain guys they like that Yeah Yeah Yeah For sure And I don’t like correct people I don’t say don’t call me coach No I just I just I’m okay I don’t care what people call me to be honest with with you Well okay But yeah Yeah The guy called you it was weird It’s like he kept calling me No there’s there’s a there’s definitely a handful of people that call me coach Maybe they don’t know what my name is All right So go back to the question coach Dude from from now on dude All right Uh Coach Joo what are your thoughts on dealing with old age when getting physically stronger and faster ain’t going to happen? Well I I don’t know I don’t know the answer to that question about age because it’s not happening to me I’m not getting any older I mean when is it that that it ain’t going to happen anymore? I don’t know because I I’m continuing to train I’m continuing to do what I do I’ve had people tell me that well when you hit 30 and then I had oh when you hit 35 and then you got 40 and now it’s when you hit 45 Now I’m hearing when it’s 50 So um yeah I don’t know I I just know that I’m just going to keep getting after it I’m going to keep getting stronger I’m going to keep getting faster I’m going to keep getting better And if I can’t beat my record well then how close can I get? How close can I get to the record? And I think I’ve talked about this before is like I always think about decay right? And how if you don’t fight decay it it it starts to just you won’t notice it It’s slow and it’s it’s it’s like moving like the hourhand Like you don’t see it happening And I think that’s why I think that’s why a lot of aging happens because people don’t notice that it’s happening So they don’t pay attention to it So what happens is they don’t hold the line They don’t hold the line And like I track my workouts I’m not OCD about it I’m not like a psycho like you know hey I did it in 14 minutes and 32 seconds and then and then I refer back to it No but I know the general trends and I know where the numbers are and I know where they should be And I know that I I need to always keep those in mind You know how many pull-ups can I do? How much can I squat? How much you know just those just those numbers so you keep them in line And I think what that does that I do that so I can hold the line because like I said I think age sneaks I don’t think age assaults you right? I think it sneaks up on you And the way it sneaks up on you is a missed rep there and a and a slower lap over here and a missed workout over there and you you just boom there’s just a little age chipping away at you It’s just chipping away It doesn’t It actually doesn’t want you to notice It doesn’t want That’s why it doesn’t hit you all at once It does just wants to chip away And then you fast forward 15 years and you’re not the same guy you were Yeah Because those chips have taken taken all your strength away They’ve taken your flexibility away They’ve they’ve they’ve done done work on you So that’s why I like I said I don’t know what am I going to be able to hold the same records when I’m 59 I mean we got some older guys like you know Gordon Yep Gordon’s 54 man I trained with Gordon Yeah I trained with Gordon I mean Gordon’s legit black belt and and he’s not just a legit black belt with knowledge Like you can train with him He trains hard So I’m just very I try and stay self-aware and I think I try and prevent the cutting of corners and I try and maintain the daily discipline in all things That’s what I try and do because when you start cutting those corners is when I think it adds up over 15 years and you wake up and you’re not the person that you remembered that you were and you’re not the person you want to be So you got to maintain and hold that line as long as you can And I’m always actually trying to do new things too like trying to figure out something else that’s new some other technique I’ve never done before Some exercise I haven’t got I’ll buy some weird piece of exercise gear cuz I’ll see something cool on the interwebs and I’ll go “Dang I I can’t do that How’s that 14-year-old girl doing that? I can’t do that I want to learn how to do that “ And uh so that’s that’s I think you got to fight it Yeah Yeah And that that’s a good analogy the hourhand you know where you can’t you can’t see it move You watch it all day you can’t see it move But look away for one second or not one second but you know you look away for a little while you look back and boom that thing snuck right up on you and and that’s I mean that’s how you really slip that’s how it’ll assault you as far as age and decay goes where if you if you stop for a while and you try to come back if you stop for 10 years you know and you try to come back that hourhand moved a lot It moved a lot Yeah man So because you weren’t fighting it Yeah because you can hold that hour line I mean you can hold it You can maybe you can’t stop it You can slow that son down You just got to keep your eye right on the thing Keep your eye on it pushing it back It’s not moving at all And sure you know like I said at when you’re 90 and you’ve been looking at that hour hand since you were 25 then yeah you’re going to be like “Oh I remember back when I was 25 it was way over here Now I’m way over here fitness wise or whatever or I can squat less or whatever ” Of course you know that’s the it’s the inev inevitability but just like how you said yeah if you you just stay on that that discipline in all things man you’re going to hold that you’re going to hold it good Do not go gentle into that good light Yeah Rage rage against the dying of the light And with that the you know there’s kind of balance to all things Don’t get cra You know how guys will just be redlinining their workout cuz they’re trying to maintain that No no no You You can’t You got to be careful about that Yeah man Cuz it’s just like a race car You can’t keep the race car in the red You got to You got to bring it back to the shop sometimes Like a little tuneup Yeah They got to be part of the routine Yeah And I can always I’m you know I’m pretty good That’s another thing is the more you work out the more you train the more the the the better you know your own body Yeah And you know you walk up to the gym sometimes like what was it? Yesterday Yeah yesterday man I I I felt like Superman Like I was just super strong I was doing one of my workouts I was strong I was just technical I just felt great you know? And I would say there’s some days that I go in the gym and I’m like what? You know I got to stretch I got to like take an easy day And and then there’s some days where I say I got to take an easy day but anyways I’m just gonna get crushed I’m just gonna crush this thing Right But and part of that again because I see that you got to make sure that you’re not cutting corners You got to make sure that you’re not taking your eye off the hourhand sometimes and letting that thing get up get one up on you because you’re being lazy right? So that’s why going this is sometimes a lot of workouts I have you know I have some days some days where I feel like Superman I have some days where I feel like I like horrible And I have a lot of more like Lois Lois Lane or something Yeah Some days where I feel like uh I’m just going through the motions But going through the motions is okay It’s okay to go in there and go through the motions It’s okay to go in there and not break any records Going in there and going through the motions is generally a thousand times better than than not doing anything Yeah Yeah And that that’s actually I mean redlinining it all the time is a is an easy way to get knocked right out of the game Yeah Well you’ll get injured after a while Yeah That’s what I mean Especially when you start getting older you know Maybe I knew you were going to say that All right next question What do you got? What are your favorite podcasts and why? Hashnamed dropping is okay Um so anybody that listens to me there’s there’s a couple podcasts that I listen to Um and they’re really obvious and they’re like the big the big podcasts Um you got well Tim Ferrris boom Right You got Joe Rogan boom You got Sam Harris boom Um and you got Hardcore History with Dan Garland And he’s got another one that’s called Common Sense And I th those those all those uh are really really good podcasts and um I’m I’ve been listening to podcasts for many many years now Uh before listening to podcasts was cool I was listening to podcasts of course So I actually grew up listening to radio shows I’ve talked about that before But I I have and I forget I actually I cannot remember how I got into podcasts I do not remember how I got into podcasts Um but anyways whenever I got into podcasts those are the kind of the ones that I listen to and I’ve I sample a lot of other podcasts and sometimes I’ll search for certain topics and I’ll just listen to a random podcast Um one of the But there’s one more The only one that I have that’s like not on the main uh sites and in people’s view is a podcast called Martyr Made and it’s by a guy named Daryl Cooper And I I can’t recommend that that podcast strongly enough It’s outstanding It is an outstanding podcast And Daryl Cooper I don’t even know Like he’s just this underground guy I think he was a I think he was in the Navy but he that’s not he’s not anymore He’s He doesn’t do it It’s not like a profession for him but it should be He He should be It’s It’s a great podcast So check out Martyr It’s also uh he’s on Twitter under Martyr Made as his as his call sign but he’s got like 142 followers Like no one knows about him No one knows about him And actually you know what? It was somebody on Twitter and I don’t I forget who it was It was somebody on Twitter that told me about Martyr Maid and just said “Check it out ” And when people tell me to check something out man I check it out And it’s as soon as you open it you know you’re going to you’re going to you’re going to realize why it’s so good um really detailed really very good historical research and it’s a great podcast and those are the and and you know what I’m a really picky podcast guy too like I’m really I need somebody to get I need somebody needs to bring it on their podcast for me to like it I try all I try new podcasts all the time and I don’t get a lot of repeat customers myself Like I don’t repeat a lot Um because I just I just Yeah It needs to be really really solid That’s for me to for me to for me to invest hours worth of my time Yeah That’s that’s got to be a heavy investment Yeah And it’s got to be something that’s worth my while And that’s why those that I mentioned let me grab a I’m just seeing if on my phone if there’s any others that I might have missed but I don’t think as far as like massively good ones that I can recommend across the board Um those are them And you know there’s other ones that I’ll occasionally listen to but um and those are all kind of like the po the the popular ones that come out Donko Jones has got a good podcast that he interviews talks about rock and roll I dig that one only because I really dig Dono Jones uh the band as well The Martyr Made one is that like what’s kind of the format with that one? It does have guests It’s s No it’s similar to Hardcore History It’s him It’s Daryl Cooper just talking about and that one the I I think it’s going to be his it’s about the the Israeli Palestinian conflict that goes all the way back to the beginning and talks to you about what it is and what it’s about and it’s it’s really good So those are the main podcasts that I listen to Um again you’ve got to and it’s just a big investment of time Yeah And especially because I don’t have a commute so I don’t drive anywhere So and I’m and and I can’t I can’t do anything mentally and do a podcast at the same time right? and listen to a podcast So I can’t read and listen to a podcast Doesn’t work The only thing I can do is drive and do yard work Like anything that’s like actually when I have a big project to do at the house I love it cuz I can get it all caught up on podcasts and whatever So yeah But yeah you know what that is? You know girls can do that You know that? I was not aware of that Yeah So this how it is This how it works Girls can they say they I don’t want to be dismissive and call it multitasking because it’s it goes it’s more deep than multitask Girls can do things that require like attention They can do more than one Um and then guys can’t I would be impressed by a girl that could listen to a legit podcast and read a book and get like the full value out of both of them Yeah So how girls brains are wired they can do that a lot better than guys and guys can’t But how’s this though? This is kind of interesting And I used to do this all the time to mess with girls Guys have a different spatial awareness than girls do So one of the tests that was done um it was like uh I want to say 16 I don’t know the numbers but it was a classroom just full of guys Classroom full of girls and they’d run all these tests There’s different tests but one of them was you have to draw a bicycle That’s it Mhm So a bicycle is this kind of in a way kind of this unique thing when you draw it because you have to know where this goes because that affects you know the pedals got to affect the chain that affects it’s a it proved uh or it indicated spatial awareness right so of the experiment all the guys could do it you don’t have to be an artist some bikes didn’t look amazing but they were working you don’t have to be an artist and it doesn’t matter if you’re a bike rider too so all the guys could do it you know how many of the girls could do it no none really none Yes So and I’ve done this experiment and if you’re going to do this experiment do it correctly Don’t be like “Hey here’s a bike Copy this bike Don’t don’t cheat on it ” Really if you really want to get to the bottom tell Ask a girl any girl Woman no matter what age draw a working bicycle They can’t do it I’ve yet to come across a girl Really I’ll be trying that tonight when I get home to my daughters and wife As a guy it’s pretty most guys will do it Hm Yeah it’s weird But anyway it’s just just how um the brains are different Well there’s other fun stuff too For me it is very difficult to actually engage in a book and reading um or writing while I’m listening to someone else talk about something intellectual It’s very challenging for me Yeah Yeah Fully That’s to get the full value I mean I can do it but they’re both efforts are halfass and I won’t get anything out of them Yeah Yeah Yeah Did you Is there any podcast you listen to that I didn’t mention? Strangely it’s the same thing except for the Martyr Made one Um are you you how could you not listen to Mr Made? I’ve told you about that a bunch of times Like you said scarcity of resources man That res resource being time But nonetheless actually even though the ones I do listen to I don’t listen to as much cuz I don’t drive as much and um I don’t do as much yard work anymore Um except for that London Real one The one that you were on that guy I’ve actually like he’s on my Yeah he’s not a podcast though It is Really? Yeah I’m subscribed to it Yeah I didn’t know it was an actual podcast I thought it was only YouTube I I think it’s like he takes the audio and puts it Okay Okay Well there’s another one Good Yeah he’s he does it And that’s the thing like a lot of times people will like That’s Brian Rose with London Reel Yeah Okay That’s a good suggestion He gets some cool people on his on his show Yeah It really really I mean put real simply it’s an interview Yeah Right A lot of podcast even Tim Ferrris is mostly like just interview Oh Tim Ferrris is actually absolutely an interview Yeah So and then you have Joe Rogan who’s kind of like kind of an interview but it’s more of like they’re just talking as a convers So there’s like all these little different subtleties that are that makes them different but there it takes a lot of skill to interview people Good Um and this uh the the London Real Guy Yeah He’s um he’s good down to like who he chooses They’re like pretty much across the board Everybody’s interesting And even if the subject isn’t your thing okay but the guys he chooses for those subjects are are pretty solid Yeah Yeah that’s a good one And I I really do I I I really like podcasts a lot and you can get so much information out of them and I love the audio format Yeah You know I I just it’s just great when you can when you can just sit down and listen And that’s always what I’ve said for for for this podcast Like I want it to be something where people sit down and kind of put their headphones on and say “Okay I’m I’m getting ready to press press play Three two one here it comes ” Yeah Yeah Yeah And I mean like we’re doing a Q&A and obviously Q&A doesn’t have that same level of impact as if I’m going to read something either that I wrote or something that somebody else wrote that’s a very important subject matter Yeah That we’re going to break down Then that’s sort of that’s that’s what I like Yeah These um these Q&A ones are cool because it is like of course we’re just having a conversation about this stuff but it’s there’s a third person in the room as well for every question because it’s their question Yeah that’s true And that’s one thing that’s interesting like when you’re listening to when you’re listening to any of these podcasts that I talked about you’re basically a third person in the room sitting there listening to the conversation And actually when I was on Sam Harris you know your brother drove up with me and he was in the room listening to the conversation you know it’s kind of it’s kind of interesting but you know when you’re listening to Joe Rogan and and actually one thing that’s pretty cool is I’ve you know I’ve done an interview with Sam Harris I’ve done an interview with Joe Rogan I’ve done an interview with Tim Ferris Um I’ve had some good conversations with with um with Dan Carlin and I might end up being on Common Sense at some point but I with the with the other three with Daryl Cooper I don’t know them but I know those guys I know them I know them And so when I’m when I’m listening to their podcast I do feel like I’m kind of in the room with them and sometimes I want to like answer and say something and whatever So uh yeah it’s and I think everybody I think even people that never met Joe Rogan but they listen to all of his podcast they think they’re in there with him Yeah So when when I went um I did a thing with Joe Rogan played pool with him and went I went up to that studio before and and uh What did you go up for? With Hock or something? Uh I went with Yeah for Hock Okay with them Yes For some stuff Um yeah So that time when I went up I asked him “Hey do you encounter people who basically feel like they know you like personally?” They’ll just roll into a conversation with you like you’ve known every single time No that’s the same Even I’m experiencing that now when I when I meet someone that goes “Hey man I listen to the podcast Hey ” And they’re like talking to me like “Well you what’s what’s going on with Echo and blah blah blah “ And they’re like talking about me like like we’re bros And it’s it’s pretty cool cuz in a way you are you’ve been talking to them for a long time I know I was thinking about this Um so like Hardcore History the the one podcast that is called Blueprint for Armageddon If you haven’t listened to it just stop and go listen to it It’s awesome But that thing is it’s five episodes about four hours each So that’s 20 hours And when you get done with it man you you feel like you’re pretty tight with Dan Carlin I mean that’s 20 hours And then one day I was doing the math last week and we because we got to 30 podcasts and they’re basically two hours each and I’m like my god that’s 60 hours 60 hours worth of worth of conversation with you and me And so absolutely people start feeling like you know hey oh yeah I know I know what Jaco is going to think about this or say about this and and and they’re basically in the room here you know talking to us Yeah And there’s that added element which is going to make that even more so with us because these are their these are your questions These are their questions This is their questions and and I do converse with them on the interwebs too So so people are like oh and they’ll hit me with a question and sometimes it’s not enough to get on the podcast but I’ll just say yeah don’t do that right? You know don’t do that That’s not smart Or yeah no that sounds like a good plan Execute You know stuff like that Yep It’s just the nature of the the But yeah get your podcast on and spread the word Yeah And and by the way thanks to thanks Tim and Joe Uh those guys brought me on before I had a podcast Tim brought me on when the book wasn’t out I was basically no human being knew who I was if you weren’t like in the direct like if you weren’t in the SEAL teams with me and and then Joe heard that podcast and then we connected on Twitter and he goes “Come be on my podcast ” And I was like “Awesome ” So and then Sam Harris So anyways thanks to those guys for for having me on and and spreading the word a little bit Yeah I like Sam Harris’s one as well That’s actually one of the one of the few that that Remember how we were talking before you um did a podcast? We’re like “Oh it’d be weird you just talking ” Which actually thinking about it it wouldn’t be that weird really But I mean if you think about like even the last podcast that we did where I just read the book uh uh 4 hours in my you didn’t say much you know and you said enough to maybe get me through some some some spots where you had a question or maybe I didn’t make something clear but um you know I think that’s I think I could do it but you know I I I don’t I don’t know why I would Yeah it see Yeah overall um especially with with the Q&A with and I think sometimes you’ll go into things that doesn’t apply to everyone’s common knowledge You know maybe only military guys will know it or only exacts might know it So I don’t you know there’s a lot of stuff I don’t know So I I have the luxury of being here Wait wait wait What do you What is this? What is this? What are you talking about? You know what does ROC mean? Just kidding I know what ROTC mean anyway But yeah Sam Harris is is good though where he just does it solo I’ve actually followed Sam Harris from the long time ago Yeah Yeah He did the one with Scott Reeds from the LAPD That’s a good one Yeah And I like the Tim Ferris one with Josh Weightskin He’s got a couple with him Josh Weightskin’s really uh he’s a jiu-jitsu player He’s a world champion chess guy and uh just just has an interesting attitude about stuff Yeah Makes me feel like uh you know there’s a lot more to learn out there about things He wrote a book called The Art of Learning Anyways that’s a that’s a really good one Um Joe Scott Re so much of what Joe Rogan Joe Rogan is always worth listening to Yeah And it’s weird like I pretty much with Joe I listen to the people if I know the person that he’s got on there And I don’t listen to a lot of comedians right? Cuz I don’t know I like comedians don’t make me laugh That’s the weird not weird That’s the good thing about Joe Rogan cuz he has so many different elements of interest you know? There’s the comedians the jiu-jitsu guys MMA guys What he does really well is he makes people talk and he you know I’ve heard him get some criticism for you know let’s say he’s got like a a a religious guy on there and he doesn’t believe in religion but he’ll let that person talk about religion and won’t like jump on them and get in their face and say “No but that’s part of what makes it cool is like he’s just trying to learn man He’s not trying to confront people you know? He’s just trying to learn ” And I think that’s I think all those people do that for the most part Um they’re people that are interested in learning and they’re they’re trying to figure stuff out themselves And so I think it’s cool that that Jill Rogan’s not getting in somebody’s face about something they don’t believe I mean not that he doesn’t disagree with people sometimes Yeah So that’s that Listen to some podcasts And and you know the other thing about this is like we’re putting out one podcast a week and that I don’t even know if that’s sustainable Yeah Um only because of time I mean it the amount of time that it takes to prepare a podcast In the beginning it was pretty easy for me because I was doing a bunch of books that I already read I already read them All I just crack them open And most of those books I had well read I mean about face I already had that thing outlined and highlighted Um last hundred yards already I mean a bunch of those beginning books were already done and it wasn’t until like the until everyone on Twitter started telling me hey check out this book and now I’m all sudden reading books I’ve never seen before and I got to read the book and what I do is I read it and I go through and highlight it and somebody asked me this question too like how do you prep? So I read the book I go through I highlight the whole thing of what I think is impactful what I think is important But then once you read it you can’t just it just doesn’t um it it you just don’t pick it up and read the highlighted parts in order because that doesn’t always make sense and it also doesn’t always have the it doesn’t make people think It doesn’t make me think about what I want to think about It doesn’t have the impact that I want it to have So once I have it highlighted then I have to go through and plus I’ll highlight you know let’s say I highlight half the book Well then you’re not going to read half the book So then I got to go in and figure out what really is important And then from there I got to organize it in the way that the timeline that I’m actually going to read it aloud and then make notes about whatever comments I have about it as I’m reading it because that’s sort of that’s sort of why I’m doing it because I want to comment about what I’m reading because otherwise people just go buy the book right and read the book yourself But I’m trying to give my perspective on some of it And so that’s challenging And um and then the other weird thing is like I I’ve met I meet people all the time cuz I travel all the time I go to events and and speak and companies that I’m working with and a lot of times the people that are there that are totally into the podcast they’re not even caught up They’re not caught up with the podcast and they’re like “Hey I’m almost caught up ” And I’m like “What do you mean? I fell behind cuz I I I blah blah blah blah ” And I I’m I’m only on 26 right now And so sometimes I think well maybe people are just we’re just turning out at such a high rate right? But then there’s some people that I’ve talked to as as I think about like well maybe I need to slow down a little bit I’ve talked to some of the some of the people that I work with and people that listen to podcast that are into it and I say like you know we might go down to you know once every two weeks and and it’s like I just smacked them in the face They’re like no you can’t No no no you know I think it’d be you know you But sometimes I also feel that if I had more time that I would be able to do a better job like maybe that’s something I need to weigh as well Um and if you think about like hardcore history that guy Dan Carlin is he just makes people he tortures people making them wait Yeah And it make you wait and wait and wait and um so I don’t know Maybe we maybe we need to go to once every two weeks Maybe I just need to suck it up and just keep doing I don’t know Maybe I don’t know yet But um yeah with the one thing that’s good about all these other podcast is that gives you an opportunity to go listen to something else It’s true Or you go back and relisten Yeah Yeah it’s true I don’t know We’ll see I’m sure we might get some feedback on that one Yeah So if people think if you out there thinks you’d be okay with us going every two weeks Yeah or if it’s going to ruin your life Yeah Yeah Because it probably takes 15 to 20 hours Now I’m a slow reader Um I’m a slow reader So when I’m reading a book it’s it’s I read at the same pace that I talk Now when I’m on the podcast I’m talking a little bit slower than I normally talk but when I’m reading I’m reading about the pace I’m speaking right about now This is just a normal And what’s good about it and I learned this in college when I read and I’m reading at this pace I remember just about everything that I read If I read fast I’ll Tim Ferrris in speedreading I don’t retain the same amount And so I read slow I absorb I’m thinking about it I’m making some notes So to get through a book it takes 10 15 hours right? So then you get through with that Now you got to go back through it again and decide what the actual the actual script timing that you’re going to read it Right Right So now I’m like marking up the book and I’m going back and I’m writing the page numbers and I’m tabbing it out That takes a few hours three hours And so by that it’s all said and done you know you’re talking about 20 hours 15 to 20 hours to prep And yeah every single week Every single week today or yesterday I got done prepping for this podcast or actually I got done prepping for the the the four hours in my as soon as I got done I literally picked it picked it up I stood up at my bookshelf and I started looking okay what’s going what’s coming next cuz I want to start reading it now yeah dang but that’s the the jako preparedness yeah you know hyper preparedness right hyper preparedness and also it’s because when like I said earlier when somebody presses play on the podcast I want them to I want them to be getting a piece of quality material I’m not going to turn out something that’s just that’s just crap I would rather not do it at all I’d rather shut down than take a six-month break or a lifelong break and never do it again than just start turning it out for no reason Bro you escalated that real quick Yeah I know You know why? You know why I did that? because I have to maintain that attitude of like I’m not doing this I’m doing this because I want to do it Yeah You know what I mean? I’m doing this because I want to do it And if I don’t want to do it then I’m not going to do it Right And it is I mean like I said I like to hit I like to hit play on a podcast and be like “Okay this is it ” Just like sitting down to listen to great music or anything like that That the podcast for me is like that It’s like reading a great book It’s like watching a great movie It’s sitting down pressing play and going “Okay this is going to have impact on me ” And so I want to turn something out like that I don’t want to turn out second rate stuff I want to turn out something legit And if I if I fail to do that then I’m not going to do it Yeah Um at least now I’m saying if I was failed to do it but I was trying my hardest okay I might continue because I’m trying and I’m making But if I was failing to do it cuz I wasn’t putting the effort into it then I’m not going to do it cuz that’s I think I think that my personal expectations and the expectations that people have when they press play they want to get something good Yeah They want to get some quality They want to learn something They wanna they want to enter into the game Whereas if they start pressing play and they hear garbage man I don’t want them to hear that and I don’t want to be that That’s not my gig My gig is going hard putting out hard and putting out something that that people want to listen to cuz it helps them Not doing it just to do it That’s not my thing Yeah And if you start slipping in that regard right you can smell it from a mile away man Yeah Yeah I’ll tell you what though one thing I have realized when I first started I thought “Oh well I don’t know you know there’s only so many books you know that I could actually do cuz I’m I’m thinking books that had impact on me real legit impact ” Yeah There wasn’t some huge list right? But as soon as I started going down the path now I realize that there’s literally I could I could I’m not going to be able to do in my lifetime all the books I want to do Yeah You know what I mean? Kind of enlisting other people to make suggestions which people are enlisted though Every trooper out there is sending me two or three books and saying “Hey check this out ” My my Amazon bill click through to Jaco Podcast click through to Amazon We got it going on cuz half that money is from me because I’m ordering books all the time When somebody says “Hey check this book out ” I don’t have time to play around You know what I do? I just order it I just click through order it on Amazon I need I’m literally literally getting a new bookshelf in my house Dang Because I’ve got so many books piling up and Yeah that to me what’s good about it I love this guy Now this is another thing and I told you this early on cuz early on you said hey you know it was like 3 weeks into it you’re like hey I don’t know if we’re going to be able to keep up this pace and I said you know what I like this grind I want to be maxed out I want to have the pedal down and you know what I want to be going hard and I think the people that listen to the podcast are people that are going hard in their perspective lives They’re going they’re they’re working hard They’re making things happen They’re being aggressive And that’s what I’m doing here That’s what we’re doing here And so I think that’s why it resonates with some people And there’s some people that are listening to this that know that they got to step it up a little bit you know and that also is a good thing I don’t think there’s too many people that are like “Jo get your get your get it together You need to get your game on “ They know I’m bringing my agame right? I I’m bringing my agame and and people know that But the day that I can’t bring my agame then couple things Maybe it’s time Okay you know what? I need more time cuz I don’t want to turn out crap or I don’t do it anymore or we do it whenever But the I like being driven I like a deadline I learn a lot from the podcast from from getting ready for it because you got to remember I read a book So you got a little bit by listening to an hour of me talking about a book I read a book I absorbed it I highlighted it I outlined it I researched it I looked up and I look up Oh that general He sounds like an interesting guy Let me just do a real quick fact check to see if there’s anything in the behind the scenes I need to tell about him Oh you know what? There’s a poem that’s related to this I’m digging out poems that I didn’t know didn’t understand Yeah And reviewing them So all these little things that you know and and who knows? I mean does this should this be the full-time job? I I don’t know you know And by the way the whole time that I’m doing this I got a business you know with Leif that we’re traveling and working with companies I got other books in the hopper that I’m writing currently and I have to spend time doing that which I’m super pumped about those as well But like those that takes time So yeah Dang But but again you know what? Bring it on Bring it on Bring it on I’m going to jump in there I’m going to answer your Twitter questions I’m going to deliver some podcast your boy high and make it happen Some people choose to get after it Red line and we encourage that Red line That’s what I’m talking about I’m going to redline this bad boy Speaking of redlinining next question Please discuss how discipline equals freedom can and should apply to one’s financial life Thanks from all jub Uh obviously if you want to be financially free you got to have financial discipline That’s just the way it is So here’s it’s it’s just simple not easy Save your money Boom That’s number one Don’t buy an Here’s one Don’t buy an expensive car until you own a piece of property That’s just a basic rule Interesting Yep If you’re driving a Mercedes um S-Class from 2015 is that a good one to ask? It’s It’s a very good one It’s a very good one But it’s also $120 000 But if you’re living if you’re renting the wrong move sell that thing and buy a piece of property A car is a depreciating asset A piece of property is an appreciating asset Try and put your money into your appreciating assets Spend less than you earn Boom Stay off the credit cards Boom Invest your money in something I like to invest money in me in things that I’m going to do That’s what I want to do Yeah I I I want to invest money in things that I know and understand And what better do I know and understand than than things that I’m doing people that I know or things that I’m involved with So that’s what you got to do You want to you want to get your money taken care of you want to you want to have financial freedom you got to just have the financial discipline That’s that’s all there is to it And work hard you know work hard make things happen But your your major gains you know most people don’t become rich by their salary right? They become they they they earn their wealth They gain their wealth through bigger things like buying properties You know we got a jiu-jitsu player at the at the academy a girl and you know a year ago she was kind of talking to me about oh well you know you know she’s just got married and blah blah blah And we started talking I said you you you know she said well I think about moving I got this condo And I was like we started talking about buying properties And boom she disclosed on a like a four fourunit property in San Diego And the day she got the keys she was making $400 a month She went from paying $1 900 a month in mortgage The day she made she got the keys all of a sudden that she rented that place out she’s got three units she’s living in the crappiest unit and she’s got those things rented out And now she’s making $400 a month So that’s a that’s a delta of what? $2 300 a month in the black Yep That’s impressive Yeah And it took her a year to get done But she did it And now I said I She’s like “I’m so happy ” I’m like “That’s cool Start saving Start saving for your next property ” I’m like “The market’s going to take a downturn You got to be ready If it doesn’t if it does but you got to be ready to make that next move ” So start saving your money Start paying that thing down Start saving your money Start saving that next down payment That’s where your wealth gets established is in these long-term strategic moves that you make And you know I’m no financial expert but you don’t have to be a financial expert to know to save your money to spend less than you earn Um and and property to me is a good thing to invest in It does go up and down you know and there’s a lot of people that got crushed in the in the market downturn in 2007 and 2008 And I was in the military so I was buying houses and I didn’t even know that the market downturned It didn’t matter to me because I had a steady job And I just bought those properties just to just to have properties I wasn’t buying them to flip them and sell them and all that No I was just like “Okay in some sometime in the future somebody’s going to be paying me rent and it’s going to go in my pocket ” And that sounds like a good plan to me cuz they’re not making any more real estate by the beach right? Um so so yeah I’m not a financial genius Talk to somebody that is smart Talk to somebody that understands finances but save your money Spend less than you earn Don’t be renting if Don’t be renting a place if you’re buying out buying a Mercedes S-Class or a 7 series or a Range Rover Buy a little piece of property Buy a little thing Yep Buy a little thing Don’t Don’t just just go buy that little something Get in there Get it started Yeah man I like this Invest in yourself Yeah Because And invest in yourself that’s a such a broad term right? Such a And actually it’s kind of started to become like a little like a cliche catchphrase invest in yourself But if you really think about that you Yeah you invest in yourself You don’t go buy you know So I used to work in the nightclub industry right? So I’m and I’m now I’m looking with my mindset now looking back at the people I used to deal with I used to see people come in there every weekend and spend a lot of money I don’t know maybe some of them are already are rich or or but I know that if that’s what you’re spending your money on you’re going out and essentially just buying drinks buying nightclubs Yes There’s no essential That’s what you’re doing Yeah You’re you’re throwing thinking back like thinking back five years ago You spent all your money not all your money but you spent a bunch of money on drinks and what you have literally nothing to show for it And in most cases you there’s it’s going to mess you up in in one way you’re going to do something you regret or whatever potentially So think of that same five years and be like dang what if I started these two things that in my you know prediction is going to help me in 5 years and let’s say you did that 5 years ago and you did it I don’t know you even practice it like an hour a day whatever it is even just improving your knowledge on the economy or something I don’t know anything anything that improves your knowledge 5 years later you could you could be essentially an expert at it Absolutely So now now just consider now what is it that you should have got into cuz you probably have a handful of interests that are pretty cool to you Even if it’s like playing guitar I don’t know whatever But if you can make it something that you can anticipate in 5 years it’s going to be you’re if you’re talking about financial stuff it’s going to help you make money then do that thing Don’t And I I I harp on reality TV a lot but I think it kind of deserves it because you don’t learn much reality TV yet You lost like that hour Mhm And if you spent that hour and really you could kind of even keep watching reality TV if you want but just spend that one hour doing something that you anticipate if you’re really good at it would help you financially Do that thing for one hour and then I like it One day is going to come You’re going to think back Oh just the same way I’m thinking back of the five years ago I mean in my case it’s more than 5 years ago but just the same way I’m thinking back of those people at the nightclub industry The same way I’m thinking back about that you’re going to be thinking back at yourself and you’ll be like “Dang I’m so happy I got into that ” You know? Yeah And there’s all kinds of things you could have done I mean I’ve look at the money I wasted over the years in the bars It’s ridiculous you know being a young SEAL out getting after it with the boys Thursday Friday Saturday and the Sunday That’s how we used to roll That’s how we used to roll And it was just hey we’d show up I’m the richest guy in the world I have all the money that I ever need and I can buy whatever I want That’s what every night was like So not wise Don’t do that Yeah And I’ll even I’ll even go out have some fun It’s cool You can still kind of do I’m just saying think of that Think of what you’re doing right now And you cuz for these people and for these people I was talking about back when I used to work in the nightclub industry they are really technically they are committed to spending their money Committed to it If you’re doing something two every single week for years you’re committed to it So just take one of those hours Yeah or take maybe 10% of that money that you’re spending or 25% all of it whatever and put it in something that you anticipate well and and the other thing is I mean invest in yourself is like actually build something actually build a little company you know make something that’s what that’s what I was meant you’ve got another perspective which is also very viable and makes just as much sense I was literally talking about you know from your perspective oh you like guitars cool figure out how to make a cool guitar stand at your house you know and then see if you can get that thing produced and then oh it’s really good Maybe we start running production Let’s do that That is infinitely not only not only will you possibly end up with a some kind of a product that sells but you’ll have learned something You’ve had fun You created something for the world You’ve you’ve learned the lessons that you learned about building it and getting master that that’s all going to be worthwhile as well So there’s no this this I’m not saying this um with regards to that you’re going to come up with this product and you’re going to get rich It’s not going to happen It’s not going to happen But can you use that to build knowledge? Can you use that to g gain experience that will then compound with other things in your life and eventually make you financially free because you had that discipline? Absolutely Answer is yes Yep Next question Does micromanaging ever work? Well yes And and more importantly does it work? Yes Sometimes it works And more importantly sometimes you have to micromanage Um so you get somebody that isn’t good at their job doesn’t do a good job doesn’t show up doesn’t run things right Of course you know how you fix them? You got to get in there and micromanage Well first of all you can’t do mission failure So you got to get in there and micromanage Once you’re done micromanaging or or once you’ve got them up to speed then you can stop micromanaging This is this is totally good to go And even if you ask Leif or you know the other platoon commanders that work for me or assistant platoon commanders that work for me if when we when they got to know me when they met me I was micromanage master cuz I’m in their grill Hey this you got to do this No come over here a little bit Nope And wouldn’t give any slack But then as soon as I see that they get it of course then it’s like “Okay you got this You got this ” And I’m going to I’m going to macromanage and barely manage and let them run with it And so that’s that’s absolutely micromanagement is sometimes it’s a necessity And by the way if you’re getting micromanaged that’s a little bit of a red flag Sure you might have somebody that’s a control freak that is a compulsive micromanager and that sucks But you also might have somebody that doesn’t trust you yet And so how do you build up their trust? Is it by hiding from them? No It’s by being open and being like “Hey boss here’s what I’m going to do ” You actually send them more information than they could even want You show them how responsible you are You show them what a handle you have on the situation And that’s how you can help overcome the micromanager But if someone’s not doing what they’re supposed to do or they’re failing or they’re they’re letting you down then yeah you got to get in their grill and micromanage them The other time that and I sort of said this is when you’re mentoring someone that can also be viewed as micromanagement because now I’m sitting side by side I might be breathing down your neck a little bit and that might be viewed as micromanagement But again sometimes it’s necessary If you don’t know the ropes yet I got to show you the ropes That means I got to sit by you and make sure you know it Um teaching So if you’re teaching somebody something in a work environment that can also be viewed as micromanagement And it actually is because you’re saying “Hey put this over here Put that over here Wait back off let me do this No no you don’t know how to do it So I got to show you how to do it I’m teaching you how to do it So there’s that And and then that’s teaching And then sometimes you got to show people how to do it And I told that long story in here one time where I just said “Hey you sit and watch how I’m going to run this squad ” And I ran the squad and got fired up and told people where to go and moved on the line And the platoon commander looked at me and said “Okay I can do that “ And as soon as he saw it one time he got it So that’s sometimes micromanagement is okay The thing is you don’t want to get stuck in the rut of micromanagement So if I mentor you if I teach you if I instruct you if I show you the way doesn’t mean stay there and keep micromanaging because you’re not doing your job You shouldn’t have the capability or the capacity to micromanagement to micromanage everybody that works for you If you have that ability you’re not doing your job You’re not looking up the chain of command You’re not looking out Your troopers your subordinate leadership should be stepping up and leading and you should expect that of them And if you have to micromanagement it should be a chore that you don’t like doing And when you get in there and you micromanage for a certain amount of time then you say “Okay you got this You you know I’m I’m stepping back “ And then you got to step back because no one likes to be micromanaged So once you get people up to speed step back let them run Let your leaders lead Yeah Yeah sometimes as people who who like to micromanage or they feel compelled to Mhm it they can fall in that trap where where let’s say they do need to micromanage and they’ll get that payoff of oh yeah I see this guy kind of getting it but instead of understanding the the full scope of things where oh he’s getting it now I I need to I don’t need to manage as much they’ll be like they’ll still start chasing that payoff of them getting it with their little micromanagement you know so they’ll like constantly need that payoff yep some people now that you mentioned some people micromanage because their ego they want to they want to exercise they want to do two exercise their power over the person or or show off their knowledge to the person Yeah So those two are just such a pain They’re such a pain But you know what? What do you do? Okay cool I’m going to work harder I’m going to be ahead of you I’m going to get better at this and we’re going to move on Yeah that that showing off knowledge thing that that that it in a micromanagement situation it seems like oh okay it’s obvious you shouldn’t do that and and you could probably see it from a mile away but but just in everyday life that’s a compelling thing to want to show people You ever you ever hear someone telling you something that you already know and you just want to tell them “Bro I already know I know I know ” You know like you don’t have to explain it to me When really when you really kind of search your own feelings it’s it’s not that they’re wasting your time It’s kind of that you just want to let them know that I have that knowledge Don’t worry about you know what I mean? But I see that all the time I feel that all the time Just gota like bite your tongue or bear it But I think that’s that’s a real compelling like desire you know to to show hey I already know that or look how much I know you know Yeah people definitely like that It’s it makes them feel good Look at what I know Yep Last question Jaco focus in a battle is easy How do you keep focus in a long war i e long-term goals? Well that that that can definitely be true It can be pretty easy to focus on the battle that’s right in front of your face And when you’re doing that sometimes you can lose track of the the long-term goal But I want to have that that long-term goal so embedded in my mind that I never lose sight of it ever And those little tasks and projects and short-term goals that you tackle they need to lead toward that strategic victory winning the long war And we get very caught up in instant gratification We want results now We want the shortcut to the winner’s podium And sometimes you know when we don’t get that short-term glory that we want we lose track of those long-term goals And you you look up in in 6 weeks or in 6 months or in six years and you’ve made no progress None You never moved You might even be further from your goal than you were Why? Why did you let that happen? It’s because you lost sight of that long-term goal And at some point after you lose sight of that goal and years have gone by you think to yourself maybe I can’t Maybe I can’t do it And so you give up You let it fade and you settle You settle for mediocrity You settle for average You settle for oh well But no no don’t do that Embed that long-term goal in your mind Burn it into your soul Think about it and write about it and talk about it and hang it up on your wall But most important do something about it Do something about it every day Every day do something that moves you toward that goal that keeps the goal alive and in sight and in focus However however small or insignificant that step might seem take it Do it Do that little piece Make it happen because that goal isn’t going to achieve itself It’s all on you And I think that’s all I’ve got for tonight which means it’s time to wrap it up Echo What else do we have? 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