bjj training and you’re worried about injuries that makes sense actually i got some i’ve got to ask this question a few times people that rely on their hands to work uh one guy is a professional actually two guys were professional guitarists oh yeah yeah and they’re sketched out about doing jiu jitsu uh anybody that has a job that relies on a lot of physicality you you are at risk because you’re you know you’re doing a sport no injuries absolutely happen in jiu jitsu it is a contact sport and you can get injured while you’re doing it you can get injured in any sport that you do yeah any sport that you do the the worst my i hurt my knee i had 80 tear on my mcl did it surfing yeah you know been healed hooked by dean lister thousands thousands and thousands of times never had a knee injury i’m out surfing and hurt my knee so you can get hurt doing anything but so you have to be careful right and i think one of the best one of the most critical ways to be careful in jiu jitsu is by make sure that you’re picking the right training partners yeah because there’s some knucklehead training partners at every gym and they’re they’re a 20 22 year old male uh who has a lot of testosterone and has a very sensitive ego and so he’s looking just to crush everyone so you gotta watch out for that guy and actually i shouldn’t i shouldn’t actually paint that so broad brush because there’s plenty of people that are that are older people with a big ego and younger people there’s people there’s just basically you got to watch out for these knuckleheads that are going to go crazy yeah some people don’t know better too you know they’re just they just happen to be big and strong and they’re not being knuckleheads they’re just like yeah they’re getting it you know they’re telling me to grab the arm and pull i’m trying to pass that guard i don’t know that much technique i’m just going to go hard yeah no you’re right they’re they’re they’re not intentionally being aggressive but you just is an aggressive sport and if you happen to be 260 pounds that can be problematic so you want to fly and and i know it sounds weird if it goes some purple belt that’s just going to run through me no actually you do the purple belt the chance of you getting hurt by a purple belt are infinitely less than you getting hurt by a white belt absolutely true and the higher you go up the more accurate that is unless of course you’re you’re uh you’re a problem right or you’re a bully and there needs to be a regulatory situation happening in which case a black belt is not going to you know he he won’t injure you though that’s the thing it’s like true i think when you enter fighting sports punishment isn’t being beat up you get beat up that’s part of the game true it’s more it’s more of like an embarrassment thing or like just like yeah like they’re gonna wear you out you know or make you look like you suck or i don’t it’s it’s it’s more of like a lesson thing in that way it’s not like getting beat up yeah i i agree with you now another piece of this and i i this is just a reality okay doing stand-up you have a higher chance of getting hurt like doing takedowns going hard takedowns yeah either judo style takedowns or resting style takedowns you have a higher chance of getting a knee injury or an ankle injury there’s no doubt about it so be careful just think about what you’re doing there um with with stand-ups you know if you’re a person that’s you know you gotta you gotta learn some basic takedowns absolutely but do you need to step in there night after night and get your full-on wrestling practice together and as you if you’re a 43-year-old person that you know you’re a 43 year old cop that’s working to beat you you know you need to know takedowns don’t get me wrong you need to train them you need to study you need to make sure you know how to do them do you need to out wrestle somebody in a in a wrestling situation probably not you know you’re you’re not going to need to do that so just use caution with takedowns um make sure you know how to do them but as you get to where you want to not get injured is your one of your primary thoughts in training then just be careful to stand up um obviously do a good warm-up and this is something i’m just the worst uh perpetrator of not warming up well i like to warm up by rolling so and actually now i do usually do one round where i’m just kind of chilling and just kind of rolling flow but i used to not even do that it’s just like clap hands and go so don’t do that obviously keep your ego in check and i’ll say another thing and i was talking about this with greg train the other day because greg train popped his rib yeah and he was just saying to me his ribs recovered now but he was saying to me you know he’s like i think you don’t get injured because you work out all the time and i’m like i agree with you 100 yeah so i believe that you should work out on a regular basis and somebody just asked me do you train and lift on the same days as yeah absolutely i train and lift i train left every day so get your workout program going on you know make sure you maintain that some people when they start doing jiu jitsu they’re they’re going so crazy that they use all this muscle and so they go like i’m not going to work out because i’m just getting a workout no wrong answer keep working out a matter of fact you should and i always encourage working out lifting doing your metcon doing whatever before you do jiu jitsu that’s what i do i want to be tired when i show up to g2 and fight in a worse scenario you know make it harder for myself i don’t want to show up and and be all fresh and like that’s going to happen every day no i like to be tired worn out stressed system and then show up and still get after it on the mats yeah that part’s pretty advanced though to do it like that i gotta say i mean being new is the question i’ve done that the whole time yeah and i’ve done that too before and good yeah you do you work out after you lift weights after you train jiu jitsu i’ve done both okay what do you do normally i do one and like i don’t do two days normally oh so when you roll into the mat you’re like all fresh in a matter of speaking yeah fresher than i would be if i did a workout before yes put it that way that’s cool no as of right now that is how it is yes for sure but before and even when i was training for competition and stuff oh yeah and even yeah like maybe like two years three years ago maybe um yeah i’d work out i’d do the workout first and then go roll out like in the evening i think that’s the plan um as much as you can work on your flexibility yeah and this is something that i again this is a big fail area in my book i’m not flexible as i should be and you if you are more flexible your injury levels are going to go down yeah so you know stretch and it’s really easy stuff that you know everyone says to do you know when you’re sitting there on the mat even when you’re sitting in the mat and the teacher’s teaching you know trying to go to the lotus position try and you know just do stretches while you’re doing that if you’re sitting around just stretch while you’re sitting around while you’re working on your computer sit in a way that you’re getting some kind of stretch so so stretch and be flexible as much as you can now another thing i kind of talked about guitarists and anybody you know a surgeon anybody that’s working with their hands and wants to protect their fingers i would recommend maybe emphasizing more nogi where you’re not grabbing onto that ghee all the time yeah yeah and again fingers get caught up in there any twists or something too you can yank them yeah every time pretty much it’s fairly common um i actually my worst finger injury was actually nogi so that’s and i only did it a couple months ago which is just and it was just a bizarre it was a bizarre incident i it was one of those things so that’s why it’s really hard for me to just straight up encourage somebody that needs their fingers like no no dude don’t worry you’re not gonna get no no no you can’t get her now i’ve had one finger injury you know significant finger injury in 20 plus years so you can get a finger injury cutting the carrots on the you know in the kitchen so you know you got to be careful but there’s no guarantee that you’re not going to hurt and i’ll tell you and the other thing is i will say this you got some chance of getting injured right but there’s also some massive physical and mental benefits that will likely outweigh the injuries the perceived injuries or the possible injuries that you might get so you’re going to be healthier your fingers are going to be stronger yeah i mean yeah you might get some injured fingers uh but you are also going to have fingers that are stronger your grip is going to be stronger so that’s beneficial your mind needs to be stronger your cardiovascular systems can be stronger so there’s a lot of benefits to jiu-jitsu that outweigh in my mind the possibility of having an injury yeah i mean the possibility of having a catastrophic injury is pretty small especially if you train smart it really is agree i absolutely agree yes and when you think about it even of the people that you know over 20 years that’s a lot of people that you know who’s had a any kind of major injury well really if you count it depends what you count as a major injury but you know if you blow out your knee that means you’re gonna be down you’re gonna be six months of surgery or whatever surgery and six months of rehab and then another three months before you can try that’s you know that’s a year yeah and and that could be some people consider that catastrophic injury i know i would be devastated but at the same time you know i heard i got neck surgery i was out for a bit don’t even remember it now flash in the pan who cares whatever yeah deal with it i played more guitar during that time you know what i mean good times yeah and the and in in reference to this question man this is anything you do guys on the basketball court all the time oh i’ll go up for just recreational basketball pick up game weekend whatever block their knee ankle whatever you know i had i mean i’ve been in the game what 12 years i’d won because i was getting nuts in a tournament bicep tear major injury you know alfred you know year or whatever but other than that never been injured because of a submission a lot of training too yeah in full speed training competition like everything in as far as the mission holds go never been injured in a submission you know how like as a double yeah you should definitely if you’re a smart judge player you’ll never get injured from somebody trying to submission on you because you tap yeah you tap and look it’s not gonna not hurt you know if you talk too late usually it’s just you get hurt maybe your shoulders kind of whatever for a week or but you can still train you it’s not an injury put it that way yep you know and even if yeah even if you’re you’re big small i think that’s pretty common it’s really rare that i see oh my acl is out because of a heel hook maybe in competition because you’re trying to win you weren’t trying to tap there’s a few okay but yeah generally speaking it’s surprising almost that it’s that safe it is when you consider when you consider what the objective of the sport is to break and destroy people’s limbs the fact that it rarely happens it just really happens yeah so yes be careful there’s no guarantees but train back to the training partners part you know when you the first one where you’re saying um be careful who you train with and stuff like that so sometimes especially like let’s say if you’re older or um even if you’re a girl and you go in and and you know you’re the only girl and you know some people they like let’s say the guy doesn’t know any better he’s going hard you can tell when he starts to go hard sometimes it can be awkward to kind of say hey you know like respectfully i’m not going to roll with you because of you know it’s kind of like asking someone to dance and them saying no yeah you know like oh it’s like rejection so it’s awkward so sometimes you people will just tough it out and be like oh just try to endure i think if you can find you know if you can go through that and really look out for yourself where you know the guy’s going nuts he’s obviously usually he’s not trying to go nuts and hurt you that’s pretty rare but they don’t know any better they’re a white belt or you know whatever and they’re just bigger and stronger or whatever and and they’re going nuts you gotta you gotta find a good tactful way to be like hey i respect you but i’m concerned about like just my injuries yeah just you know what hey sorry i only roll with people under 130 because i have a you know uh yeah injured rip yeah yeah and there you go just just is that a white lie maybe it is but i don’t think it’s a malicious white lie sam harris i apologize for uh telling people to tell a little white lie to save themselves massive injuries catastrophic injuries yeah but again it’s like telling someone no when they ask you to dance you can tell white lies the fact is you know meant for my own reasons i don’t want to dance you know yeah but it might be okay to say oh sorry um i’m here with billy over there and and so i can’t dance with you and that’s actually gonna make you feel better than just like hey you know what actually i don’t like you yeah yeah you kind of disgust me yeah so i’m not dancing with you walk away right yeah is it necessary to do that probably not maybe the little white lie is okay it helps yeah again sam harris apologize we’re encouraging lying it’s like saying like i’m not gonna say hey you’re a spaz you’re a liability you might hurt me because of what you don’t know how to do i’m not gonna roll with you that’s different you know you mean you offended the guy yeah most likely so actually we’re actually talking about that while you are on the jiu jitsu mats doing physical jiu-jitsu sometimes you gotta throw in a little mental jiu-jitsu in the situation and just manipulate a little bit the mentality of your training partners yep and that is in the spirit of safety indeed because i don’t think jocko would ever say that to anybody he’d be like oh your spaz bring it on if i’m not mistaken we got to deal with them people you know next question when dealing with new groups of folks before you go there by the way sometimes you should train with someone that’s really spazz and harder and bigger than you you should do that sometimes now you should use caution when you do it maybe you can get that i would rather if my like my son if i’m gonna have him training with someone that’s big and strong i have to train with you i’m having trained with dean yeah because i know that you guys will give him enough strength to you know but you’re not gonna hurt him because he’s only 140 pounds yes but i i don’t want to give the impression here like sometimes you got to roll with that sometimes you got to roll with somebody that’s big strong and doesn’t know what they’re doing just so you now you and i know what to do there but if you’re a blue belt or a or a yeah if you’re a blue belt and a big wrestler show then you weigh 165 pounds and a wrestler shows up that weighs 240 and it’s his third day and you’re a young guy you know it’s it’s a good idea to roll with that person because they’re going to do things you aren’t expecting they’re really strong they’re going to be trying really hard and you want to be you want to be you want to train for yourself for the unexpected so basically don’t just we i’m not saying when i say you know watch your training partners i’m not saying for a normal person that’s training crawl into a safety bubble yeah while you’re on the mats no especially people that are you know young and fit you should be training with every person you can every different body style try them out big wrestlers small people lanky people train with them all because that gets you used to all those different body styles it improves your game yeah i’m saying if you are very concerned about injuries because you have a job that requires you to you know use your hands or walk or whatever then you go okay you know what i need to take the long the long vision here they’ll fight the long war and really be selective on my training partners absolutely correct yes just like how i mean just like how the question is i’m i want to start jiu-jitsu and i’m worried about it so exactly that guy use your usually yeah exactly but just like how you said when you get to about blue belt you got to start introducing more challenges in different ways and absolutely correct man because if if you don’t if you don’t and you can let’s say you’re not used to let’s say you’re used to the same training partners all the time and you train with you know blue belts for belts they’re specific and very effective jiu jitsu moves for other jiu jitsu moves right so it’s like don’t turn your back all these rules that are pretty fundamental that rarely should be broken and we all know them so you roll with a guy who’s his third days athletic wrestler he doesn’t know those rules but now so he puts you outside of the whole format of jiu jitsu and if you don’t know it it’s like dang it’s almost like you’re just not really working that good you know yeah if you’re not used to it but if you are used to it you’d be like okay and that’s such a good technique to use with people right when you’re dealing with people people like people’s personalities people have a personality that they that’s how they deal with things and they get people they funnel people into their world so if you have to break that just step outside their world like don’t get drawn into people’s worlds right don’t get drawn into people’s strengths i mean we talk about this all the time but don’t get drawn into their strengths don’t get drawn into their way of fighting because it’s not you’re not going to be able to win that battle because you do it all day long right so just come at them from a different angle usually disarmed with somehow instead of being confrontational this is just normal stuff but instead of being confrontational with somebody take a little flank and maybe you know massage their ego a little bit just but that’s it it’s the exact same thing if if people have a way of doing things and you can get outside their pattern you have a better chance of getting a victory yeah yeah it’s crazy
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