this is jaco podcast number 82 with echo Charles than me jaakor willing good evening echo good evening I was walking down the street and I was pretty sure I would die and I did not mind in fact a large part of me looked forward to it to that release to go to heaven to meet Christ for it all to be over I courted death like a sailor courts a twirling Spanish barmaid I was not afraid even as we trot across broken streets with asphalt and makeshift concrete piled like sloppy cake icing hiding the surprises below large IEDs and screams and blood and burning flesh and burning vehicle tires all superficially hidden all obviously present all a joke death had been at the forefront of my mind and part of my decision to become a soldier at all and that’s what I considered myself a soldier a grunt an infantryman a ground pounder a soldier what else is there we all turned into soldiers on patrol we competed with each other and the men and other units and other services to see who could patrol in the most disciplined way we would see who we could catch staring at his feet or not watching his field of fire or not scanning for threats or not keeping his shooting hand on his gun and when the shooting did start we would watch to see who would panic and who would cower these were seemingly fun games and recesses breaking up the fear which was so overpowering it put a deep ache in our stomachs and in our bowels there was chaos that brought me to this point wild music as a young boy Slayer Metallica in their prime venom Motorhead heavy alcohol use by age 10 drug use by age 11 late-night Punk concerts and mosh pits where I nearly lost my front tooth at age 12 as it dug deeply into a Punk’s shaved head I was tall for my age and people treated me like an adult they tried to bring me into their filth junkies perverts degenerates an evil world burning so much so that war was a dream come true it seemed as if now I could fight back against the depravity and evil that tried to engulf me and I held that quiet hope that unspoken hope that maybe I could die in war doing something heroic like they trained us to do maybe this godforsaken and worthless life could be over this gauntlet and so the IE D Laden roads attempting to scare me and us or a joke and I did not care about it about the setup about the punchline I just wanted enemy contact and I wanted to smell the blood of particles floating through the afternoon air then the screams of the dying that is what I wanted it seemed so beautiful my mind had romanticized it all but what we got wasn’t so romantic as it wasn’t so beautiful most of the screams I heard with the screams of my countrymen as they bled or the screams of innocents who were in the wrong place at the wrong time I watched the funerals of men we shot going right past us with children crying the wives glaring as they dammed us with ancient Babylonian curses that would try to follow me back to my home in satanic nightmares where I could not escape them all those things made death so true and so beautiful and so acceptable now those words were written by someone that I served with in Ramadi in 2006 and he sent them to me the other day after we talked and I asked him to write down what he thought about he was walking down the street in Ramadi and obviously what he wrote about it revealed so much of the the incredible spectrum of emotions and thoughts that run through our heads and and obviously war magnifies those but these are thoughts of a human being and these are the kind of thoughts that people have not just in war but in life the struggles and as I was sitting thinking about you know that word and that the fact that struggle it absolutely shapes us and I was talking about this when I was with Jill Logan and Chris Cornell from Soundgarden had just killed himself and we were talking about the struggles and Jill was saying that destroy you know give you you’ve got a kind of like struggle and you need struggle people need struggle and some of the feedback that I saw on social media was you know there’s a difference between struggle and challenge and that a challenge is good but struggle is bad and you know I don’t know I’m not wishing struggles upon anyone I’m no guru but I do know that struggle and strife shapes us it shapes us there’s no doubt and as I was thinking about this I started thinking about a bunch of different books that I’ve read in the past and one of them is a book called and we go on and it was written by a guy named will our Berg who’s from Nova Scotia Canada and he was a soldier in the Canadian Army in World War one and he’d enlisted in the army to replace his brother so his brother had been killed in battle and he said okay I need to I need to enlist now and at first he couldn’t let’s get he had bad teeth and then as more and more guys got killed they loosened the standards and they allowed him in even with his bad teeth and the book is very different and we’re not going to go through the whole book today but what makes the book different is he talks about like the supernatural and he wrote another book as a matter of fact which is called ghosts have warm hands and so this kind of supernatural world or something he spends some pretty decent amount of time on and in the beginning of the book one of the things that he says is the trench at zero hour was a crucible that dissolved all insincerity and the superficial and you can clearly imagine that these guys getting ready to go over the top I mean what else matters at that point everything that’s not true is everything that is not sincere just means nothing at that point and I’m going to go to the book here for for a minute and here’s one of the things he said about sort of again I’m I’ve just started thinking about the psychological side of what people are going through so here we go to the book this story is an effort to reveal a side of war that has not been given much attention the psychic effect it had on its participants there existed before all battles and even in the calms of the trench routine a condition before which all natural explanations failed and no supernatural explanations were established every human emotion ran its full gamut in that land of topsy-turvy and prolonged intensity of feeling wrought feeling wrought strange psychological changes which warped the soul itself never on earth was there a place where a man’s support often his sole support was his faith in some mighty power all intervening thoughts were swept aside unconsciously there were born faiths that men carried through critical moments and tortured Minds grasp fantasies that served in place of more solid creeds I think it’s interesting that he says worked the soul and and I don’t actually think and again I’m no literary expert but I don’t think he means that with the the negative connotation of warped being negative and bad but I think he means like a departure from the normal a departure from the straight-line moving away from the natural direction and so it leaves it leaves men changed and like I said not going to cover this this whole book will probably do it at some point in the future but I think when he gets to the end of the book and he makes some statements that are pretty powerful and of course this is now after he’s gone through the war and he’s on a ship sailing back to Canada then I’m gonna read this section here we go back to the book darkness the rush of the ship I felt my way again into a stifling dugout into an atmosphere rancid with stale sweat and breathing earth mold and the hot grease of candles I saw faces cheeks resting on tunics mud streaked unshaven dirty faces with some with teeth clenched and sudden hate some livid with pulse stopping fear us on then turning on the wire bunks quivering as if some red-hot drill I heard them gasp and sob and cry out in agony and mutter as they tossed again then a machineguns note louder higher sharper crack crack crack as it sweeps over you in a shell hole where you hug the earth the growl of guttural voices heavy steps in an unseen trench just the other side of the black mass of tangled barbed barricade which you power the long-drawn wine of a shell it’s hard gripping explosion the terrible oppressive silence that follows then the first low wail of the man who is down with a gaping blood spurting wound I moved about ship myself sniffed the salt air and tried to rid myself of my dreams and as I stood there there came a sudden chill I grew cold as if I had entered a clammy cavern I could not understand but went and got my great coat a dim figure passed me as I returned to the deck and the voice said we’re getting nearer home I can feel the change ah I knew we had left the warm current and were into the icy waters nearer home we had left behind the comradeship of long hours on the trench post and patrols long days under blazing Suns and cruel marches on cobbled roads the Brotherhood of the line and we were entering a cold sea facing the dark the unknown we could not escape dark figures came and stood beside me I had not thought that anyone save myself would come on deck and here they were ten a dozen still more all hunched in great coats silent staring I looked at my watch there was three o’clock in the morning these men could not sleep they were come to see the first lights of Halifax I move quietly among them scanning each blurred face it was as I thought they were all old-timers the men of the trenches we went on and on and on and no one spoke though we touched shoulders I tried to think of a comparison ah we were like prisoners I had seen them standing like that without speaking staring thinking prisoners we were prisoners prisoners who could never escape I had been trying to imagine how I would express my feelings when I got home and now I knew I never could none of us could we could no more make ourselves articulate than could those who would not return we were in a world apart prisoners in Chains that would never loosen till death freed us and I knew those at home would never understand they would be impatient wondering why we were so dumb unable to put our experiences into words and there would be many of the boys who would be surly taciturn moody resenting good intentions perhaps taking too hard liquor and aimless drifting we of the Brotherhood could understand the soldier but never explained him all of us would remain a separate definite people as if branded by some monstrous despotism but I warmed as I fought of all that the Brotherhood had meant the sharing of blankets and bread and hardships the binding of each other’s wounds the talks we had had of intimate things of the dug and simple faith that men had showed flashes of their inner selves that strengthened one’s own soul perhaps when my bitterness passed when I had got back to normal self to loved ones tried hard by years of waiting I would find that despite that horror which I could never forget I had equalizing treasure in memories I could use like Jacob’s Ladder to get high enough to see that even war itself could never be the whole of life the water stirred I tingled my throat tightened waves of emotion seized me held me I grew hot and cold at queer sensations every man had tensed praying forward yet no one spoke it was the moment for which we had lived which we had dreamed visioned pictured a thousand times it held us now so enthralled so full of feelings that we could not find utterance a million thrills ran through me far ahead st but growing brighter we had glimpsed the first lights of home and that line when he says perhaps when my bitterness has passed and I could use my memories and he said he could use his memories like jacob’s ladder to get high enough to see that even a war itself could never be the whole of life and those of his struggles he’s talking about those are the hardships and this this change in his mindset to not let those drag him down but but to use those to climb up and I think I think we you we lose track of that sometimes and all we see is the trench when we get stuck in the trench and I think it’s interesting that these men literally and metaphorically speaking these men were in trenches but they were able to rise out of these trenches these trenches of unimaginable suffering and I I think to myself if they are able to rise out of those hellish trenches then that means we can too we came to and again this this thing that my this thing that my buddy sent me they just got me thinking about that psychological turmoil of war and that sent me into thoughts of another book again another book that I read awhile back I mean remember when I read it but I just sort of thinking about it and this one was about Vietnam and it’s a classic it’s it’s called a rumor of war and again we will absolutely cover this book on the podcast in detail at some point but I’m kind of just was on this literary tour mode and the psyche I think it’s just a good view of the psyche that people have in war which again reflects life and there’s a section in this book where Phil Caputo is assigned to a rear echelon unit he’s in the rear and you know he’s a lieutenant the Marine Corps he’s in the rear and I think he’s in a regimental command post or something but he’s not fighting and here’s what he thinks of that going to the book in the middle of November at my own request I was transferred to a line company in 1st battalion my convictions about the war had eroded almost to nothing I had no illusions but I had volunteered for a line company anyway there were a number of reasons of which the paramount was boredom there was nothing for me to do but count casualties I felt useless and a little guilty about living in relative safety while other men risked their lives I cannot deny that the front still held fascination for me the rights are wrongs of the war aside there was a magnetism about combat you seem to live more intensely under fire every sense was sharper the mind worked clearer and faster perhaps it was the tension of opposites that made it so an attraction balanced by revulsion hope that Ward with dread you found yourself on a precarious emotional edge experienced experiencing a heaviness that no drink or drug could match the fear of madness was another motive the hallucination I had had and that that day and the mess of seeing more on Harrison prefigured and death had become a constant waking nightmare I’d begun to see almost everyone as they would look in death including myself shaving in the mirror in the morning I could see myself dead then there were moments when I not only saw my own corpse but other people looking at it I saw life going on without me the sensation of not being anymore came over me at night just before falling asleep sometimes it made me laugh inside I could not take myself seriously when I could already see my own death nor seeing their deaths as well could I take others seriously we were all the victims of a great practical joke played on us by God or nature maybe that was why corpses always grinned they saw the joke at the last moment sometimes it made me laugh but most of the time it was not at all humorous and I was sure that another few months of identifying bodies would land me in a psychiatric ward on staff there was too much time too brood over those corpses there would be very little time to think in a line company that is the secret to emotional survival in war not thinking finally there was hatred a hatred buried so deep that I could not then admit its existence I can now though it is still painful I burned with a hatred for the Vietcong and with an emotion that dwells in most of us one closer to the surface than we care to admit a desire for retribution I did not hate the enemy for their politics but for murdering Simpson for executing that boy whose body had been found in the river for blasting the life out of wall levy revenge was one of the reasons I volunteered for a line company I wanted a chance to kill somebody and you can see even in that the you know comparing that with the first piece of things being a joke and how you just hard you just get to this point where things just become a joke how can you take anything seriously when you don’t even know what’s going to happen and if you’re going to live how much meaning does life have if you’re not going to live it he gets back out to a line company and now he’s on patrol talking about not only what that’s like externally but what it’s like mentally psychologically going back to the book I tightened the shoulder straps of my pack heavily loaded with signal flares smoke grenades dry socks a poncho and three days rations and entrenching tool and machete were lashed to its side in my pockets I carried a map compass hand grenades more flares haleh’s own tablets malaria pills and a spare magazine for my carbine a pistol two clips of ammunition knife first-aid kit and two full canteens hung from my belt my steel helmet and flak jacket added 20 pounds to the load the gear probably weighed over 40 pounds altogether but I felt a wonderful soaring lightness in my limbs I felt good all over better than I had felt in months even Neil who is not inclined to hand out compliments had praised my gung-ho enthusiasm before the platoon left Basecamp a sudden and mysterious recovery from the virus of fear had caused the change in mood I don’t know why I only knew I had ceased to be afraid of dying there was not a feeling of invincibility indifference rather I had ceased to fear death because I had ceased to care about it certainly I had no illusions that my death if it came would be a sacrifice they would merely be a death and not a good one either a good death involved a certain amount of choice ritual and style there were no good deaths in the war but the manner of dying no longer mattered I didn’t care how death came so long as it came quickly and painlessly I would die as casually as a beetle is crushed under a boot heel and perhaps it was this recognition of my insect-like pettiness that had made me stop caring I was a beetle we were all beetles scratching for survival in the wilderness those who had lost the struggle had not changed anything by dying the deaths of levi simpson sullivan and the others had not made any difference thousands of people died each week in the war and the sum of all their deaths did not make any difference the war went on without them and as it went on without them so would it go on without me my death would not alter a thing walking down the trail i could not remember having self an emotion more sublime or liberating then that indifference toward my own death again a common thought pattern is this this feeling of hey I’m in hell and one thing like trying to set me free is death and once I overcome that that that just allows me to go and do what I’m supposed to do and I’m just going to fast forward once again kind of like with the will bird going to the end where where Caputo kind of wraps up his what he’s gonna bring home from the war and at this point he’s you know he’s obviously survived the enemy he survived actually at this point he survived a court-martial because he’d gotten in some trouble there was some bad things that happened while he was in charge there was you know cases against him and he kind of got out of that situation and now he is heading home going back to the book we stood waiting in the Sun at the edge of the runway there were about a hundred and fifty of us and we watched as a replacement draft filed off the big transport plane they fell into formation and tried to ignore the dusty tanned ragged looking man who jeered them the replacements looked strangely young far younger than we and awkward and bewildered by this scorched land to which and indifferent government had sent them I did not join in the mockery I felt sorry for those children knowing that they would all grow old in this land of endless dying I pitied them knowing that out of every ten one would die two more would be maimed for life another two would be less seriously wounded and sent out to fight again and all the rest would be wounded in other more hidden ways the replacements were marched off toward the convoy that awaited to carry them to their assigned units and their assigned fates none of them looked at us they marched away shouldering our SI bags we climbed up the ramp into the plane the plane we had all dreamed about the grand mythological freedom bird a joyous shout went up as the transport lurched off the runway and climbed into the placid sky below lay the rice paddies and the green folded hills where we had all lost our friends and our youth the plane banked and headed out over the China Sea towards Okinawa toward freedom from deaths embrace none of us was a hero we would not return to cheering crowds parades and the pealing of great cathedral bells we had done nothing more than endure we had survived and that was our only victory and I think that is important for us to remember that in some cases some of the things that we go through some of the things some of the challenges and tribulations and trials that people get put through sometimes survival is victory and all you can do is survive and make it through a situation that you’re in and I think sometimes when people survive something or horrible instead of being happy or elated that they made it through instead they focus on the fact that they got put through it and again I don’t I’m no professional at all and there was you know there was there was you know even when I was on Joe Rogan’s podcasting and we were talking about Chris Cornell committing suicide you know someone said you know cuz we kind of devolved into a conversation of hey you know get outside and Tim Ferriss when Tim Ferriss was on this podcast you know he was saying you know get move and get physical and so you know Joe and I were just kind of talking about that and and and someone came on and said you know you don’t know what you’re talking about it’s it’s it’s you’re lucky to survive something like this it’s horrible and and you know I kind of said man I I know I’m not saying that and and literally ivory listened to Joe and I talking in both of us of what we were saying was over and over again I don’t understand this I don’t comprehend it you know so I don’t think that was the intention we’re saying oh all you have to do is go get it out of kettlebell and you’ll be good to go that’s not the intention at all and that’s not what either one of us not only was it were not what we were trying to say we didn’t actually say that we were saying hey I don’t understand it I haven’t been in that position before that’s why we brought that’s why I brought Tim on here because Tim had lived through that and and knew how bad it was and planned to kill himself and so that to me is someone that can give their opinion Joe and I were literally saying I don’t comprehend but I think when you get a guy like the author of this book a rumor for who’s who’s talking about their their victory or his victory and the people on the play their victory in Vietnam was survival was just getting through it I know that’s nothing you’re gonna be joyous about but I think at least recognizing okay I made it through now let me move on yeah is important now again I I went on this kind of literary tour that I was launched into after reading what what my buddy wrote because it reminded me of so many other things that I’ve heard and so many other things that I’ve read and so another great you know viewpoint comes from Eugene sledge and he wrote the book with the old breed which is a classic and we covered it podcast number 10 if you want to stop now go back and listen to podcast 10 with Eugene sled with Eugene sledge with the old breed it’s just incredible account of what he went through in World War 2 in the in the Pacific Theater with the Marine Corps but he wrote another book after that and the next book that he wrote was called China marine and it talks about what they did when the war ended you know at the time he spent sort of pacifying and in-country spent some time in China and then it talks about what it was like when he got back to America back to Mobile Alabama and it’s definitely impactful definitely impactful so here’s what he came to came home to and I’m gonna pick up where his dad he’s talking to his dad his dad was a physician during World War one and that’s one of the reasons his dad was if you remember Eugene sledge couldn’t get in the Marine Corps at first because he had I think he had a heart murmur or something like that I didn’t let him in and his dad was kind of okay with that then the reason he was okay with that was because he had seen what the boys from World War one had come home like not only physically but also psychologically guys had two guys had the shell shock which is horrible when you see and again I’ve said this before go on YouTube and look at videos of World War one shell shock it’s it’s horrifying to look at and that’s what Eugene sledge his father had seen and so when his son couldn’t go in the Marine Corps he was kind of like limp okay you know you can serve in other ways and Eugene sledge wanted to serve and so Eugene sledge got he actually got a waiver and the and I guess the heart murmur had faded enough or they didn’t notice it until we got the Marine Corps when he comes back his dad he that is talking to him and I think it’s a good place to pick up his dad called him fritz that was that was Eugene sledge his nickname at home so here we go Eugene sledge his dad talking to him fritz he said I know you’ve been through an awful experience I know that nobody had it worse than the first Marine Division except maybe those on Bataan and those others who were imprisoned I’m tremendously proud of both you and Edward you did your duty under terrifying conditions but you survived in one piece granted with some terrible memories you’ll have to learn to live with but take my advice first never become embittered because many other men had safe comfortable war assignments all too often obtained through political influence that’s the way of cowards in this world to never feel sorry for yourself because of what you endured on the contrary feel fiercely proud that you served with the finest and fought against the fiercest enemy and lived to tell the tale three if you ever drink alcohol do it in moderation alcohol can be a wonderful escape from bad memories but it is addictive we’ll make you act the fool and ultimately ruin you to the last remark I replied I know father I’ve seen that happen to good buddies recalling some of the worst cases in China he replied yes and I’ve treated some of the nicest people who were ruined by the stuff but I can’t cure them they must have willpower so really straightforward warning about alcohol check about not feeling bitter towards people that didn’t maybe do or go through what he went through and be proud of what you did now this is again just another piece that that they actually in in the HBO miniseries the Pacific they they kind of portray this part of Eugene sledge coming home but it’s worth reading his account of it back to the book as my life settled down somewhat I began to think of my future rather hastily I decided to go to Auburn then called Alabama Polytechnic Institute and major in business I’ll never forget my first day at Auburn I was in the registrar’s office in Sanford Hall the big room was crowded with long lines of entering students standing in front of tables behind which clerks were noticing or noting each student’s college credits from service schools determining which might transfer to Auburn there was a loud hubbub of voices with about a hundred people in the room some men mostly Air Corps veterans had been to various technical schools and Auburn gave them two years credit all veterans were excused from ROTC and physical education when I stepped up to the table at the head of the line pretty brunette about my age probably a student’s wife asked pleasantly what schools I had had attended in the Marine Corps I recited all the weapons and tactics schools we had in training she became more and more disconcerted as she looked in vain on her checklist for anything remotely resembling what I was saying finally in desperation she slammed her pencil on the table and said in a loud exasperated voice did the Marine Corps teach you anything a gasp ran through the crowd and you could have heard a pin drop I didn’t lose my temper but I realized that like most civilians warned this lady meant John Wayne or the sweet musical South Pacific slowly placing my hands on the table aware that aah all eyes were upon us I said in a loud calm voice lady there was a killing war the Marine Corps taught me how to kill Japs and try to survive now if that don’t fit into any academic course I’m sorry but some of us had to do the killing and most of my buddies got killed or wounded she was speechless there were many red faces among the obvious non-combatants present I doubt if there were half a dozen in terms of men or tankers present she recovered her composure looked me in the eye and said I’m so sorry I lie upon eyes I didn’t understand I told her she was very kind and I did not mean to upset her you didn’t she said you made me think so I got credit for ROTC and PE and the room returned to normal the young lady wished me a long and happy life I thanked her and left I felt like some sort of an alien and I realized that this sort of thing would confront me the rest of my days the war had been so momentous to me I couldn’t imagine anyone not sharing that view or or appreciating the hell I had suffered in fact I was totally unprepared for how rapidly most Americans who did not experience combat would forget about the war the evils we say and how incredibly tough it had been for us to defeat the Japanese and the Nazis I didn’t realize how swiftly most Americans would once again take their freedom for granted clearly that applies to veterans and people that have been overseas fighting and you come back and it’s like no one even knows that you were gone it’s like another thing you need you get that passage of time when you go away for two or three months and you go back to where you’re from and it seems like oh how long you been gone for all three months oh it seems people think you were gone for a couple days or a couple weeks yeah yeah it happens at the gym like I’ll go into the gym and and then someone where you been you know I think I haven’t seen him in a week he says oh I tore my ACL I’ve been gone for eight months you know it’s one of those moments and that happens with war two guys go away they come back every you know time just went by and that can be frustrating because in those eight months or six months or 14 months that someone’s deployed overseas fighting for their lives they come home and and that other person didn’t even notice they were gone yeah I mean I feel bad when somebody had an ACL tear and I didn’t know it you know I feel kind of bad yeah and I haven’t seen you for eight months you know if you feel like I feel bad about it and I’m sure that person saying you know jock with geese we used to train all the time and you didn’t even realize that I was gone you thought I was gone for a week right meaning kind of yeah exactly well imagine how that feels to a veteran that’s coming back from war and that is this isn’t this isn’t like some odd case this is the norm that’s actually the norm yeah I mean it’s different for the direct family that’s waiting for the individuals come home then those six-month deployment or 14 months deployments seem like an eternity yeah but for that casual person or that acquaintance that you don’t know that well they’re thinking oh oh did you where you been yeah oh yeah I was overseas fighting yeah and he’s got the way he kind of wraps up this book in his epilogue and again you know this is another book that we’ll probably explore at some point in detail but going to the way that the topics that he brings up as it closes out reflections on how the war impacted him psychologically here we go back to the book looking back over the momentous events of fifty years ago when I was a marine evokes strong emotions the years immediately after the war were the hardest as Paul Fussell remarked the combat veteran not only has to survive his experience he has to learn to live with it the rest of his life he was so right for the first twenty odd years after my return nightmares occurred frequently waking me either crying or yelling always sweating and with a pounding heart some nights I delayed going to bed dreading the inevitable nightmares old comrades wrote me that similar troubles drove many of them to drink and to the ensuing misery of alcoholism which they beat with sheer self-discipline eventually the war left me with a deep appreciation for the simple things in life putting on a clean pair of dry socks is one of the greatest luxuries I know a shave a warm shower and sleeping in a sheeted bed are two when it is raining especially on an autumn day I look out the window at the falling drops and my thoughts sometimes drift back to those awful days on Okinawa snafu and die bailing out a muddy foxhole with an old helmet shivering in a torrential cold grave and both of us cringing as each Japanese shell came screaming into the corpse rune area to explode with a deafening crash and quickly bring my mind the focus of my mind back to the present and thank God is not to suffer hardship and misery again and oh what a blessing to be relieved of constant terror my love of the outdoors were strangely affected by the war the way I looked at my surroundings was altered my view of the outdoors had taken a more analytical perspective of its features as military terrain likely areas for the placement of various foxholes the company 60 millimeter mortars to cover deflates the light machine guns so as to achieve cross fires along the company front fields of fire and possible avenues of enemy attack or ambush this change in outlook was intense in the early years home but I cleared my mind of it by concentrating on plant and animal species present or probable but the old combat view of things still creeps in sometimes after more than 50 years and that’s something that definitely stood every guy I know that’s been overseas every guy everything we look at we see that some kind of military terrain in a city for me especially it’s in the city because I did most of my combat with urban combat and that’s so I’m looking at all the time not only on the highway on the buildings when you’re sitting around when you’re sitting in a hotel room looking out the street everything that you look at you look at from a combat perspective now hee hee hee was a outdoorsman and he goes back he gets back from the war and he’s going hunting and this is the first time that he’s gone deer hunting after the war and he’s out hunting with a group of people but he gets dropped off in one spot by himself to have a boat by River they take a boat pop them off alone and here we go back to the book – beautiful doze appeared walking briskly through the water as they exited the woods and stopped at the far edge of the pond about thirty yards away they kept looking toward the area of the drive and moving their ears to capture every sound possible more loud sloshing of water and two dough’s and a large buck came up to the first doze and stopped they finally looked in my direction I remain still and since the wind was blowing toward me the deer could not pick up my scent they stood motion motionless staring at me and standing up in the clump of cane they seemed more concerned with the baying of the hounds than with me though because of the way I held my rifle I could see my wristwatch so I timed the action or inaction of the deer one of the dough’s picked up an acorn at the edge of the pond and ate it the buck was large and had a fine set of antlers the eight points gleaming in the light slowly I raised my rifle and sighted in on his chest no he was too fine a creature to kill I had murdered one of his kind that morning so I did not need to venison slowly I lowered my rifle the buck remained motionless motionless his instincts probably told him no shape such as he saw in the cane was natural deer like most mammals have very poor sight except for detecting motion and are primarily colorblind for fifteen minutes we stared at each other a shot in the air would send them springing away into the woods but a shot would frighten them which I had no desire to do the deer seemed more curious than afraid they kept sniffing the air which apparently borne no scent of danger I had on waterproof boots but was beginning to get cold finally I needed to move a little I knew that as soon as I did they would bolt so I whistled softly every big ear turned quickly in my direction i whistled softly again all the deer slowly lowered their ears turned went sloshing on the higher ground and ambled into the woods looking back at me once or twice the whole episode is one of my most cherished memories when Jim picked me up in the boat he asked if I had seen a deer I said no not wanting to tell him I had seen five when we return to camp several people asked me what I had seen and I reported a few squirrels and some wood ducks if I told those eager hunters what had really happened they would have elected to throw me in the river gust didn’t allow any drinking during hunting hours so after the guns were all unloaded in putting their cases the bottled spirits were brought forth and the partiers all had a ball each of the weary hounds went to the fenced yard jumped up on the raised platforms and went into the barrel for a nap the platform was raised as protection against high water as well as alligators which have a special appetite for dog flesh weary crossed the river after a while and scattered to our homes so ended my last deer hunt but the memory of that beautiful buck and his harem down the river I’ve wondered how long he survived I am NOT anti hunting as long as it is managed by wildlife experts most game animals out produce their food supply and since civilization has destroyed most of the natural predators starvation results unless populations are controlled by game management overseeing proper hunting practices but the terrified eyes of that spike buck I shot or something I’d like to forget I have felt the same terror when being shot at so hunting is not for me World War two gave me a convenient measuring stick for duty courage terror friendship patience horror endurance compassion discomfort grief and pain that has remained with me daily the English poet Robert Graves said World War one affected him in much the same way anyone who has not suffered the prolonged fear and limitless fatigue that was combat that was the combat infantryman’s lot might find this difficult to comprehend over fifty years later I look back on the war as though it were some giant killing machine into which we were thrown to endure fear to the brink of insanity some fell over the brink and physical fatigue to near collapse those who survived unhurt will never forget and cannot forget the many friends lost in their prime and the many articles of civilization they ruthlessly destroyed as I look back some facts are quite clear Japan’s sneaked bombing of Pearl Harbor destroyed many American lives ships and planes we had no choice but to destroy Imperial Japan the a-bomb ended that war it saved millions of American lives by preventing a murderous invasion of Japan and the probable destruction of a suicidal Japanese population the Japanese soldier was a bloodthirsty foe imbued with the code of Bushido if we had not defeated an army that thought it was unbeatable who knows how many American cities might have shared the horrid Rape of Nanking in looking back I’m still amazed I escaped the killing machine why I never fell killed or wounded in that storm of Steel thrown at us countless times still astonishes me I’m proud of the number of the enemy I fired on and hit with my mortar rifle or tommy gun and regret the ones I missed there is no mellowing for me that would be to forgive all the atrocities the Japanese committed against millions of Asians and thousands of Americans to mellow is to forget each man who survived I am certain was plucked from the mire of death by the Almighty and in this I feel humble and grateful Socrates said know thyself I do the war taught me the war taught me is how he closes out that book and the war taught me as well and the war still teaches me and that’s why I read about war and why I talk about war and that’s why so much of this podcast is about war because war can teach us but it’s not only war that teaches us life life teaches us but that’s that’s only if we are humble and open-minded enough and a tentative enough to watch then listen and learn from it not only from our own paths and the things we go through but from what we see other people do it’s a teacher life is a teacher and yet and you see this all the time there are people that do not learn from life and they make the same mistakes over and over and over again just completely unaware of the lessons that are they are smacking them in the face smacking them in the face I think that’s where you have to flip the switch in your brain that that hardship that you’re facing that trial that tribulation embedded in that misery is a lesson the teacher and it’s only a lesson if you’re willing to learn from it the hand life is a hard teacher but do your best to listen and to learn from it and you know speaking of learning I last Facebook live got some some good questions mm-hm and I noticed a little rough transition nah man Bloodgood um you know it’s just kind of a going through all those different different people’s books and you can see what war did to them and you can see the similarities with all of them that human beings put in really stressful situations human beings put in life to have similar outcomes right I mean there’s there’s commonalities in it I think the more we look for those commonalities and the more individual you me the more I look for these commonalities and in different people’s experiences the better off I’m going to be right the more I’m going to be able to understand what’s happening to the world around me yeah or to the people around me yeah that’s the one thing that I think it’s really important as is seeing you know when you start talking about that the life lessons hit you in the face it’s always if you’re the person that’s getting hit that’s the your even though you’re the person that stands to gain the most from from understanding what’s going on around you you’re also the person has the hardest time recognizing it it’s just like when you’re sitting outside of an MMA match or an anime MMA fight and you as the coach as the cornermen you can see what’s happening and the guy that’s getting punched in the face a lot of times they don’t see what’s hitting them and they don’t think of it as a lesson they don’t they’re not to take anything positive away from it they’re getting punched in the face yes and it’s not until someone says hey the guy’s hitting you with the left hook you’re you know you’re or you’re dropping your hands or whatever so the person can make a correction they’re not learning from it they’re getting hit and that’s what happens to a lot of us in life is we’re getting punched in the face punched in the face punch in the face and we don’t recognize we can’t step back we can’t detach from being in that situation where we can actually assess what’s going on and say oh okay I see what’s going on here yeah I ask you what I see what changes I got to make that’s why and then what happens is this is what happens well what happens is you say oh echo I see you’re going through some hard times so I go up to you say any echo this is what you’re doing this is what you should change and what happens big ego flare up for that go you know I’m I don’t know how I feel you know what’s going on you don’t know what it’s like you don’t know what it feels like getting punched in the face bro I’m just trying to help you you don’t get it so what we do are in our instinct is to put up defenses even when somebody’s trying to help us out right so that means you got to get good at trying to help people out too because we already know that everyone gets defensive and that everyone’s ego flares up and that when you talk to your friend that’s either a vet coming home and he’s facing problems or someone that’s having a hard time at work or someone that’s having a hard time relationship or someone that’s having a hard time with whatever addictions gotten ahold of them all those things you got to learn how to how to talk to those people in a way that you’re not being offensive to them which is hard to do because we all take offense whenever somebody tells us that we’re doing something wrong we’re all offended by it we’re all offended by it even the most positive helpful person your own your mom right your mom comes to tell you something you get offended all right your your best friend comes and says hey you know you you’re doing this you’re going down the wrong path here you don’t know nothing about my path you know so having that detachment so you can see yourself and then having an open mind when somebody tries to help you and then when you are trying to help someone trying to do it in a way that you don’t attack their ego those are some good things to think about as you’re going through life trying to take lessons away from it and so crazy applied again applies to everything that you know it’s like when would you ever hear people say if I knew then what I know now that of course right under my life look at the jacked-up thing is there’s all kinds of people that know now that tried to tell you then yeah there’s so much there’s so many places to get this information you’re saying if I knew then what I knew now well then guess what all kinds of people were trying to help you yeah we’re trying to help me we’re trying to tell me what to do I wasn’t listening at him yeah my egos too big I know what I’m doing I’m the smartest person in the world you don’t understand the situation it’s going to be different for me my life is special my life is different yeah all those things all those things that we say so just life we just had an open mind to listen to what people were trying to tell us yeah or or at a minimum have an open mind to listen to what life was trying to tell us hard it’s funny because it’s so true like how you when you’re when you say if I knew then what I know now and you say it won’t back then there was people but yelling at you yeah screaming metaphorically yes yeah right there giving you that knowledge so you could have known then what you know now kind of theta then you got to go one step deeper and go dang well I should have known then to listen to you guys you know I know to listen you guys now kind of thing and it’s like it’s almost like this borderline Impossibles in there it is a hard scenario there’s some things in life and this is so unfortunate that you have to learn only from life it was all these I know that stupid things that people go through and you just you just you watching them go through it yeah and and again I talk about this story where you you you get you get someone that’s going down a downward spiral you pick the downward spiral that they’re on whether it’s the relationship that they’re in is a disaster whether they’re getting addicted to whatever you want to get addicted to yeah you know whether that work whether that’s alcohol whether that’s drugs whether that’s gambling whatever thing you want to be addicted to you pick the downward spiral that you want to jump on the person that’s on that downward spiral if they don’t see it in everybody that’s outside of the spiral can absolutely identify it and tell them then they don’t wanna get off I mean I know hey addictions are horrible right and that’s why they’re called addictions and that’s why people ride that downward spiral until it destroys them like Eugene sledge as dad talked about today it’ll ruin you yeah the only way out is willpower the only way out and then Eugene says you got to defeat it with pure self-discipline yeah yeah you can you can have fun little games with your mind and win it’s their little like chess matches which with your mind with alcohol I know that from experience and I win it when we first started doing the podcast I didn’t realize that you drink as much as you drink at that time yeah I was like because we were recording yeah and you hear you poured one out of it what are you doing bro I’m like in here to breathe you know get after it and you’re gonna have a drink during this yeah well in my slight defense that one drink wouldn’t really affect ya anything and I know this because other people tell me this and I feel this where even if I’ll get hammered this is back then you couldn’t really tell that people would be like oh you don’t even seem at all me know on the inside I’m like but yeah because and here’s another thing and this can apply to a lot of people I think not everybody but maybe some people where you know how I was a kind where I would only drink at home when I did work here’s the thing though I work bizarre things yeah when I know I took a textbook definition of an alcoholic drinking at home alone while you’re working yeah I’m sure it’s one of the simple symptoms but straight up but on potential when I went to like the bar or so like hang out I didn’t really go to the clam you know after I stopped working a club I aren’t doing but you know that go hang out and stuff I turned way less I wouldn’t even really want to drink that much but at home working that’s when I drink but like I said I work every single night and for a long time too so it was like every night for like using years and years but the only problems that it would kind of create were these kind of covert problems like the next day I wasn’t is driven to do much I’d work out a go train I do all the stuff that you know I’ve been doing for whatever years but you know like how you learn something new to bring you know X Y Z element of your life to the next level kind of thing it would really get in the way of that so you kind of stay in that level like three yeah but here’s the same you know in certain ways I was learning a lot because you learn a lot when I work and stuff when I do you know all these programs and do video stuff you learn a lot while you do it so man I was I was learning and getting better at my stuff so in a way the problems like I said weren’t real obvious and then after a while like after time goes you know what it was what really brought the problems to light was something hang with you because you’d be like okay we’re here now we’re going here to this week we’re on like a whole different thing and I’m like man I can hardly keep up with Jaco so at night I’d be like oh yeah I’m keeping up with jockle but the next day I’m thinking when you’re doing stuff early in the morning you do doing stuff during the day you’re letting me know okay now we got this and I’m like dang I didn’t say security been recovering all day because I don’t feel that good I did a workout because we used to record the podcast at night yeah late at night yeah and so we’d get down at 1 o’clock in the morning yeah and yeah I’d have to get after in the morning and you’d not have to yeah exactly right so it’s weird ID when you do that routine you get this weird second I think your body just gets ready to do work in the stuff you know you do something over and over your body just kind of just accommodates the schedule so I was like at night I do fine but during the day and what I want to do nothing meanwhile you’re you know doing all this stuff and I’m like then not to mention all the things that we talked about like oh I got tricked by my brain mm-mean what at the expense of my whole life aside from those you know for the other thing that sucks for you is that because you were kind of because the problems were covert there wasn’t any I’m assuming that there wasn’t any external people trying to help you and be like hey echo your you shouldn’t drink at night because you’re still maintaining an acceptable standard of humanity so and you you’re taking care of your wife you’re taking care of your young daughter and so you’re doing what you’re responsible to do your what your responsibilities are we’re being handled they’re just being handled at level three and level three was okay maybe but I thought that was where you were at you know actually and this may sound better but this is worse they were being held at level essentially level ten everything like I care everything I cared about was being handled everything like to the really high level like hanging with the kids talking with so my wife had good bit earlier than me so then say late working working drinking I can still wake up I’d be messed you know not not that like happy to be awake but I was that would never that would never show dealing with other people and then there’d be time to worth if I was just too and really just I just felt tired that’s what it was I didn’t feel hungover you know this is actually brings up a good point is that I think a lot of times people spend wet because they’re because they’re achieving a minimum standard or maybe even a medium standard yeah working Molly or a solid standard in your case from your perspective to me what I was working yeah you’re working you’re getting your job done yeah making making part of your family and doing workouts like hard work ups during the day but everything else has like come with us I get it I guess there’s always so basically if you’re not looking at yourself with a critical eye you can get by with a lot as a person as a human being you if you’re not looking if you’re not looking at yourself with a critical eye you are going to get you you’re not going to reach your potential because you’re not going to push yourself as hard as you possibly can which is you know the MMA fighters but I was trained a lot of MMA fighters I would tell them listen you can train without a coach and you can train too let’s let’s say you’re super disciplined you can get to like 84% this is an interesting dichotomy you can get to 84% of your max output of you’re pushing yourself a coach is then going to take you to the next level and he’s going to get you to 98 percent but this is what’s interesting the last 2% and goes back on the individual so let’s say I’m training you for jiu-jitsu tournament if you just trained yourself for the Judah tournament you get to 80 82 percent of your potential if I because that means because you’re you know you get to the last round and you look at your girl you know what I’m probably I might get hurt this round so I take it off or I’m like you know you’re gonna make all those excuses you’re not going to old hold the line right now if I’m training you now okay okay because you got to be here yep back we’re gonna do two more rounds hey you’re done with your rounds can do some burpees you know I’m gonna I’m gonna make you do that stuff so that’s what a coach does but then you take this last that’s going to get you to 98 percent but the last two percent is back to you because I can’t make you do the burpees as hard as you can I can make you do them but I can’t make you do them as hard as you can I can’t I can make you do another round on the mat but I can’t make you do it as hard as you can I can’t make you try moves the data that you don’t feel like trying yeah so it takes a little teamwork in those situations now and that’s something I definitely saw with with MMA fighters is yeah without a coach they’re not going to push themselves hard yeah with a coach that push themselves harder but if you’re going to be a champion you got to get that last two percent yourself yeah and what’s crazy if you can you can kind of make someone your coach even if they don’t know it you know how like um we’re I mean I think you’d kind of know that you’re kind of the coach you know as far as good your coach should probably anyone who interacts with you in your regular basis they’re going to cut it at the very least look at you and know that you wake up early and get a lot done for for a reason by the way so they know that so it’s kind of like okay I can follow suit you know I can take cues from Jocko in this way and I can improve it doesn’t have to be in the exact things that you’re doing but just rough the date so I think if you actively do that where I mean I’m speaking from a place of supreme luxury by the way in regards to this or you know I’m like you’re talking about it directly to me every single week and I’m like yes sir and I go back and try it you know try my best to apply to to my stuff so of course but you can do that even if you watch someone on I don’t know online or something or you read it you know how people do like blogs and stuff like that you know if you’re like a subscriber to a specific blog and you really like you know to the way they they do things or whatever you can you can get that same effect in a smaller way I think but you can have that thinking back and definitely like you just you got to be like conscious of it though and how you say like you have to have your own self like it’s self discipline for sure but um what did you say you just said it’s self awareness look at yourself with a critical eye yeah that you you got to do that in here’s the opposite of that in my opinion and from what I’ve seen the enemy of looking at yourself with a critical eye is being good at justifying stuff yeah especially you know I can how they say smart people are dangerous in that way be a really good at gosh because yeah rationalizing something and justifying something is exactly what it is it is exactly what that says it’s justifying it yeah are you justified in XYZ and if you are you are so if you can justify something to yourself and you’re good at it okay in your mind is literally okay is not a good situation it’s very dangerous yes the very name is critical Eiffel got a critical I think I mean I call yourself out yeah if you want to reach your maximum potential and move from level 3 you know to at least level at feet yeah man so what I was saying is that got some pretty good little rapid-fire questions you know I didn’t want to take a bunch of time on them but I just want to at least address some of the questions that came on the facebook he live sure I’ve got a stack of questions that have been coming in on Facebook and Twitter and those two primarily sure is where the big questions come in to and I got a stack of those that we’ll get around to in a QA at some point and also a lot of questions that get asked right now heard them before so if you have a question if you haven’t listened to the podcast at this point you might want to just go back and listen to the other guests because the question that you have about how many hours of sleep at night and what time I go to bed and you know those kind of things they’re there in the podcast and you don’t I’m not going to talk about too much anymore you can have like um your Luck’s Jeopardy there would have been something cool about stopping the podcast at number 25 and said that’s it so you get and just because we addressed a bunch of stuff and then just let it marinate for a while like that would be season one you know how they do that I’m showing a good idea then we should have done that we should done season one and then paused mm-hm and let people really have marinated that first season and then season two comes in both see I like that you would you wouldn’t you wouldn’t never let that happen that’s what I think well it depends because it’s strategically it’s a good idea it’s a strategically good idea yeah I think it is because also you’re going to let that stuff marinate and then you’re going to get good feedback on a bulk of work that people can then say hey this was a good area of topics that you discussed please we address and get the following concerns right and so we could attack those those concerns in such a manner yeah I guess that’s one way here let me I think this is I’m speaking selfishly here mm-hmm but I think this is a big deal where even if you repeat yourself even if you have answer the same question literally the same question over and over again it’s like you know when you go to school or college or whatever yeah and you get a review every week yeah I think that yeah it is a g6 is the best example for me as I ever I never absorb a move in the first try yeah you got to give you got at each enemy 12 different times I learned 1/12 of it each time and then 12 funds later I know all move perfect analogy if you if you Jacko’s telling echo yeah hey don’t complain like don’t complain problem-solve don’t who cares about how you feel care about the objective kind of thing you told me that one time even two times I’d be like cool that’s some dope man I need to do that and then next week next month six months later do you think that’s sticking with me maybe resonated with me maybe not but no I don’t wanna yeah if you’re saying it every week to the point where it’s like I don’t even hear your words I just know it as the concept is just in there it’s that’s one like when I hear people complaining that’s a big red flag violations just sticks out like a sore thumb if I see someone blaming someone that’s the reason it sticks out because he’s so back through this idea of having different seasons if it was season one people would did the recommendation was to go back and listen to them all again so you’d get reiterated on these asteroids yeah good in theory but it doesn’t work that way I think I don’t know that’s a thing I don’t know 100 and then we do that season one season one is two straight years of podcasts yeah yeah that could work cuz you know how cuz this is the concept imagine you take one week off the restart season – oh I don’t know anyway I said I like the way you’ve been doing it to be honest it’s my input one guy it’s my input well you do have 50% of the vote here apparently oh all right well let’s get these questions yeah like I said in your court questions yeah these are like yeah yeah I like them though okay first question oh I’m gonna read these just how they’re listed and then we’ll go through you know they’re swimming and or running for BJJ conditioning session mark yes swimming and running are good for conditioning I would recommend that you use Sprint’s slash interval training for both and I think that’s gonna get you where you want to be also it’s good to have that good base cardio yeah yeah so that’s good too but yeah they’re both good the best conditioning for jiu-jitsu jiu-jitsu that’s the the shortfall of that is that you can sometimes push you’ve never mind sometimes you can push yourself harder in with burpees or with some kind of met Conor or swimming or running you know you go do sprints you should be breathing you’d be able to make yourself breathe harder doing Sprint’s than you can doing the rounds of jiu-jitsu for conditioning yeah now the rounds of conditioning in jiu-jitsu are more important but if you want to push yourself extra hard you got to do something else yes women running for jiu-jitsu conditioning yes they’re good yes you sprints yeah I agree obviously as far as you just I just learned this and I watch it was on a marcelo garcia video randomly i don’t know where he was like okay i don’t do any other external exercises for conditioning whatever dude I used uses conditioning but I don’t just do regular jujitsu this I do and he demonstrated it and he was going against a he’s obviously a high the highest loves black belt so he grabs a guy yeah and the guys a blue belt I think and he’s like okay this is how you do it for conditioning is let go we’re gonna fight we’re gonna go for whatever a minute however many minutes they go and he’s like buh buh buh he’s got one move next to move he’s just going on all he’s not even finishing moves you go to the next one then he’ll finish then they start again and he’s going to tell he’s going hard he’s essentially going as hard as he would if he had only 30 seconds where five seconds left on a high level competition that’s how hard and fast he’s going and um he was like okay and he explains you just you’re just your focus is going from move to move as fast and as hard as you can and you’re breathing at all this stuff because that’s how you get conditioning with jiu-jitsu and I was like dang man that’s that’s good because think about it just like how you said when you know you have six rounds to go into regular jujitsu training so it’s so easy you’re just focusing on doing your jujitsu and with jujitsu is energy conservation like all these things that are anti conditioning reasons they are so you can you know get into good spot to use it let me show you that one one step even more granularly if you take six rounds the last 30 seconds of each round it’s and I talked to Taylor and Andy about this and I said hey guys when we get to the last 30 seconds there should be no cruising allowed at all you should be going for the finish and you should be going for the finish like if you got 30 seconds left go for the finish if you got 30 seconds left in you’re in a bad position go for the escape as hard as you can burn yourself out yeah that’s a huge difference between how you can just go into I’m guilty as charged because like you said part of jiu-jitsu is energy conservation and so for me I’m really good at conserving energy yeah you can be cross eyed mounted on me and you’re you’re not gonna make and I know I know no I’ll be arrogant right now if you mounted me or you got across the side on me and we had one minute left you cannot submit me yes you know what I mean like you cannot submit me I’m really good I’ve had Dean Lister you know mounted an on side control for the last 22 years yeah right so I can defend myself well so if you have one minute now if I gave you five minutes that that story might people we have one minute that’s how much time is left yeah I can completely go into cruise mode and that’s the wrong answer if you’re going to try and get and if you’re if you’re trying to survive for some reason okay well then yeah utilize the v conservation skills but if you’re trying to get some conditioning work and prepare yourself for aggressive tournament-style situations you best put out yeah and that’s why I would kind of in a way going back to what you said about having a coach is where the coach will be like hey shark tank you know something like oh yeah they kind of avoid your capability yeah they avoid your capability to treat you Jitsu as just regular jiu-jitsu and the energy conservation efficiency all this stuff you know that that’s when a lot of people ask me what should I do for my first tournament is in three days what should I do watch what should I look out for and what I tell people is that okay the person that you go against in the jiu-jitsu tournament is going to go harder against you than anyone has gone against you in the gym period in the story it is a whole nother level of competition that you know white belt versus white belt the first time you go on a tournament as a white belt the person you’re going against is going harder than anyone has gone against you in the gym period yeah you can’t even when we would have MMA fighters fighting in the UFC it’s near impossible to get get to get the training partners to go as hard against that guy as as their opponent is going to go yeah it just it’s just not there there’s no legitimate fire now occasionally you know you get guys that are really good training partners and they’ll push you but that’s why we do Shark Tank yeah because it’s hard for me to get you know four guys lined up to roll with you and everybody’s gonna go as hard as I possibly can yeah everyone’s going to match what you match a little bit they’re going to use what they have to use and that’s so two men and those guys watch out for there’s a bunch of those elements in there when when you’re in a training scenario because you don’t have this you don’t have that background hum of this means everything like a competition you know so yeah I mean then actually know who does go super hard is people that have never trained you to do before forget I’m in the gym the competition but it really feels like a competition to them is so true so true I mean I’ve been on the weird how crazy it is that you just take a guy that completely believes that they can kick everyone’s ass if you bring them the jujitsu gym and they just get destroyed yeah isn’t that crazy if you’re easy to just use a crazy thing yeah it’s an ego checker that’s kind of what I was thinking and then same thing with kind of MMA I think jiu-jitsu and MMA you know kind of the same deal where it’s kind of real you know um where you know you’re talking about you know veterans come home and they come to everyday life and you people have no idea really what extreme stuff is you know needs to be part you know they’re walking around just not knowing meanwhile was a bit what they’ve been through is is just so extreme they come back and they know they have that basis for comparison and you know you get this teacher who’s like you know mouthing off to the guy I remember he goes didn’t it didn’t wor teach you anything oh yeah kind of thanks and they don’t know they don’t know nothing you know give them one day give that teacher one day with you know it’s just a big eye-opener so that’s kind of how I feel with like jiu-jitsu and MMA and stuff and when you go out and when you hear people talking you know I just don’t I keep that guy’s ass you know kind of thing like oh my gosh yeah I’ll give you go to the gym one day walk do two rounds under normal there three rounds because one round people think you got lucky I know that’s the ground and I go well that might have been locked but and after you submit someone three times they’re like okay that there’s something I don’t understand here and I want to learn it give them one ten minute round oh god watch him just be like this guy can’t do this I can’t like it to the but especially early on you get a ten minute round and you know because when you’re going against someone there’s that you’re locked into it yeah I’m not a straight-a normal a normal person isn’t going to be destroyed after because they’re going to be in a competition white belt mode going as hard as they can against someone that’s not using any strength or energy at all he’s destroying them and submitting them and every 30 seconds manage other – all right well yeah the runner what I did like about running like you know three four miles um it what I found that that provided was um you know when one will do take takedown battles and no one’s getting each other I felt that it really kept me going like just being on your feet doing it like low-intensity pushing and then I really felt that that it helped that yeah agree check next question X slash what advice can you give on push-ups and benchpress for shoulder and PEC injuries slash recovery okay real quick for all for all injuries what I say is do what you can and do what you can without hurting yourself so for instance if you can’t do a full push-up because it hurts your shoulder guess what the whole do a quarter push up and do a bunch of them and just get that range of motion you’re not going to get a full workout but to get that range of motion get it working and then maybe in a week you can do a half push-up and then you do have push-ups and then and of another three weeks you can do a three quarter pushup and then eventually you can do a full push-up and then you start doing your deep push-ups in between rings or whatever you you get it back that’s what I do I do that with every body part that I have that might be injured for whatever reason I do what I can you know I do what I can and specifically I’ll tell you what benchpress I would use dumbbells and not barbell because a barbell locks your arm into position and this is very similar to an Americana or a Chimaera both of those submission moves in jujitsu are based on the same kind of general range of motion as a benchpress there there’s definitely something different about it and obviously it’s you can do bench press I mean people bench press you know hundreds and hundreds of pounds on a barbell so it can be done but essentially it is is a similar motion if your aren’t like with an Americana which is a submission hold in jujitsu if you can move where your wrist is you can it doesn’t hurt at all you know if you put your wrist up by your head it doesn’t hurt all they can personally do an Americano you all day once you bring it down now it submits you and that’s the way I look at a barbell that’s why I haven’t done barbell bench press and I don’t even know how long especially like a going for max I haven’t done that I don’t even remember the last time I did it but yeah for any of these injuries that you might have do what you can use minimum you use the use the range of motion as you can don’t reinjure yourself you know don’t be don’t be stupid but if it hurts your knee when you get to a half a squat do a quarter squat or little you know do a 3/8 squat yeah so that’s what I recommend to get through those yeah then it’s um that’s kind of the thing and I know this from an I had knee surgery and I had a quick recovery quick recovery and the reason that was was because a you’re gonna be smart just like are saying getting smart about you don’t I had knee surgery I’m not going to go Mac squat you know there for later there’s no kind of thing so yeah you take it slow but at the same time you go you treat it like a workout do serious like research about it yeah yeah exactly right so P some people was I forget when I said I don’t know if I said on here but um people would get a shoulder injury for example and part of the rehab is like the stabilization right or your core and then they’ll be like ah I’m gonna skip that day because I don’t feel anything that’s AB muscles why would I do that I have a shoulder injury so I’m going to skip that and you know the next day I’ll do my little shoulder exercises I’ll go through the motions and that’s it but if you treat it like a frill workout like where you stretch it you kind of push yourself not in weight but you know you do if you do a more range of motion all that stuff every element of your rehab has to be real important to you including the consistency yeah and if you do it that way that’ll be how don’t to me and I don’t know I don’t know the the history of the this question or nothing but um bench press for shoulder injuries and recovery not that they they’re no yeah they don’t that’s not a hand-in-hand thing like so if you if you’re concerned about whether you know whether or not to get your bench backed up after you have a shoulder injury okay but they still the bench has nothing do with recovery from the sort shoulder injury what you do is all the little stable stabilization muscles in there like these weird motions and stuff like that a lot of times that’s where you know another good another good compliment this is why I had a shoulder injury and it it hurt really bad to do regular push-ups but I could do Wayne push-ups because it allows you to move away from those range merchants that hurt you so that’s good but yeah bench press for shoulders not good I had a guy a new guy officer in Ramadi who had showed up during deployment and he had a bad shoulder for something he’s like hey surround I was wondering if you give me any good you know exercises I could do for for my shoulder which I have you know a bad shoulder and I was like dad do muscle ups and he kind of looked at me a little strange and then later realized that yeah you know I was having fun and yeah that’s a joke he’s lucky I didn’t like heed my advice at the time yeah he just thought wow this guy’s you say so okay and rotators any rotate like this you know like throwing ball motion just controlled in that that’s gonna get you back sorry can recover you can work on yeah and that’s the thing and again you have just treat those rehab because there’s nothing glamorous about this that throwing motion actually like a rotator cuff exercises or there’s nothing happen exactly right yes you will be like oh yeah I’m not doing that no when I was I’m benching as you know doing some military press you’ll yeah but if you do press charge like demonstrating so I had a kind of a shoulder like from the day before and sergeant’s like hey you know Sarge demonstrate they’re kind of heavy handedly and he rips my shoulder and it I felt that pop up man so now I can’t lift anything above my head so I all I did was that rotator cuff like a program it’s like this way front back and then down here this one mmm did that and it was only for two weeks and it was just back yeah unfortunately sergeant moved to Connecticut is he’s one of my favorite training partners yeah you yeah he gives you an accurate yeah after yeah and when he gets uh when he’s like his go-to cuz he wrestled he’s got a sick double he would just get in this double leg mode he’d get up or something like we’d be scrambling he’d get up and I’d see the look on his face here come here it goes that he blasts that double that’s so hard launch me I remember one time I rolled with him and I think you may have like seen part of it of something and you’re like oh how was it rolling massage okay you know how you kind of explain how the role went or whatever and I was like a man and then he he got he turned on this Modi you’re like oh yeah he Sarge doubt on your funniest every was did you see him do that a slingshot so he used to have this defense from from getting triangle and he would just I I can’t really explain it but he would basically launch should be other human being okay across the mat and it was awesome every eye sees I’m gonna lock up and he didn’t care like medical they put a triangle on him and he just he’d go into you do the slingshot you just laugh at it because he know he’s getting ready to launch somebody so just ours down got a school in Connecticut by the way here in Connecticut you can go train there what is it what’s this all I didn’t know that it’s called jujitsu life oh that’s what it’s called yeah there you go yeah do one of my old teammates and on my longtime training partners to get some with next next question do you prep your own food daily or eat on the hoof and grab what you can I do both if I if you know I generally don’t pack up something and make a little meal so my travels all weird and random but yeah so what I can and and I’m at home so I make something up yeah yeah but I eat out a decent amount I got my goat cheese and I go eat there sometimes they make good food for me yeah if you’re on the program like back in the dreams yeah when I was in decisions I’d bring lunch for sure but it was never lunch because I never ate lunch I never ate lunch never remembers like okay guys I’m gonna go get me leave me alone for the next hour cuz I’m gonna go eat lunch no never ate lunch never you’ve never seen you saying hey guys okay let’s call it for now and we’ll go eat lunch then I’ll meet you back here in an hour no not how you know don’t eat long but what do you do work through lunch and stay late and then so when to eat then just eat your anytime at all yeah and be on the phone I can eat and be at the computer I can eat and you know unless we’re doing something physical and even then eat while you’re doing something physical as long as you’re not doing on ComNet yawn Carolee but you missed this one what would you recommend for striking training is an effective real application practice boxing Muay Thai mocha that’s real easy start with boxing because it’s easier to learn you don’t fulfill big kicks but is very effective martial art boxing and then once you get decent at that you now you can go into more time then learn how to use your legs your elbows your knees your head so there yeah agree the boxing – and this is strange but it’s absolutely true is if you if you don’t have experience throwing punches and landing punch it’s it’s surprisingly hard you have to ever punch someone’s face and landed it effectively yeah yeah you know like um like on the movies you know you see a force MacGyver a lot very used to punch people and then he always shake his hand like oh yeah like I hurt man every that was kind of one of the fun I was really about your punch that’s the thing actually a lot it was funny I’m sure I’m a guy were there trying to make like oh my god were such a softy in that way I was hurt I work he’s hardcore like his brain like Marge Marge oh you know he doesn’t carry a gun you know he’s not that guy one has a paperclip it has a brain eggs-actly right paperclip harvest I mean I’ve nonetheless that’s kind of what I was indicating but I thought it taught kind of a good lesson where if you you know you watch on TV guys just punching guys in the face in the head but you can especially if you don’t have a very fun gene you can probably will break your hands yeah or hurt your hand earlier sure so if you if you go train boxing even just once a week a little bit some boxing or whatever you really get to learn like okay if I start throwing these punches the difference all crazy it’s just like jujitsu like six months of jiu-jitsu destroys someone with no jiu-jitsu last month the boxing does pretty damn good against someone with no boxing for sure yeah yeah the only thing with boxing and like striking you can kinda not really MEP we’re gonna get mat it even saying this but I’ll mean this like straight up literally but in the street you can have kind of some training you know like if you get in a bunch of street fight oh yeah yeah yeah you young people face Euler yeah exactly right you learn what you learn actually mostly from being a legit street fighter did you learn the mindset yeah no stupid that sounds but here’s what you learned if I punch this guy as fast as I can before he’s expecting it I’m a sucker punch him you’ll become a good street fighter that just that’s what Street Landing is street planning a lot is done on aggression you know and if you get in my face my punch you in the face you know if you look at me and say what’s your pop boom and I hit you yeah that that’s what a really like a good experienced street fighter that kicks a lot of people’s asses that’s what they do they are over aggressive they don’t care about getting in fight they’re not thinking about their fighting and so when you say hey what’s your pack right guy says hey what do you look crack that’s a that’s what a that’s what a street fighter it is they’re going to take action very quickly yeah that’s so you can learn a lot from that so when you take that in someone you know when someone shows up at the MMA gym and this is we you know I got a lot of street fights yeah and if there that’s most the time that’s bullshit but if it’s not and they’re actually a guy that’s been in a lot of fights and it’s only so helpful because now they got someone that they’re going to shake hands with and then engage in combat so they’ve lost the what in am i saying it’s a not a real thing you know some of my friends growing up were really good street fighters and this is how I’m saying that’s with kind of a little bit of knowledge is my friends that were really good street fighters what was made them good street fighters wasn’t that they studied boxing wasn’t that they studied you did too it was because they had a very aggressive mindset and so someone would say hey what’s your crack and they were going ballistic right you know or someone’s someone says who do you look at crack and that’s it and it wasn’t actually wasn’t crack it was crack crack crack crack crack crack crack crack crack crack crack crack run away or or you know that’s so yes that’s what a street fighter has they have a mindset of they have been in fights before but they know that the aggression will take him a long way yeah it’s kind of like a guy in the state basketball who you know he has a home court or something and he just shoots a lot of shots you know yeah like he knows he knows how to make those shots but then now you put them on the back here court you guys know technical training with dribbling or anything yeah yes that is true that is your you you can learn the mechanics yeah and then your own going your own organics but the mechanics and then you could and mechanics are going to be almost less helpful yes that’s what I’m actually understanding the mindset of what’s going to happen in a fight now the mechanics will be more helpful in basketball but it’s not once you get in a real game the first basketball game I ever played I knew the mechanics and I got destroyed every pass I threw for the first 10 passes I figure got picked off and I just went down the other end of the court and scored I’m not even kidding that happened at kindig-it my dad was like the Hoosiers kind of guy jeer see the movie Hoosiers and exactly a year to work the mechanics gonna work ball handling you’re gonna work passing you’re not shooting no no sparring or what is it called scrimmaging right you’re going to learn and then that would have been cool if I would have had a coach that had a different mindset but the coach had the same who’s your mindset as my dad which is mechanics mechanics mechanics so I worked on all these mechanics like really good ball handing at good passing and then I got it it was the first game I played in basketball I had never actually little maybe I’d done a couple live games but I’d never played against any one skilled dribble down the court may I was a point guard dribble down the court held up my fingers about okay we’re gonna run play number three went over the side threw the ball and the dude just picked it off and the kid that I was playing against was a really good player that other guy that was guarding me just destroyed me and the reason was didn’t have the experience of live games now I actually brought that mentality when I was running training I always you know you can sit there and learn mechanics in the kill house you can sit there and learn the mechanics of doing immediate action drills out in the field the mechanics are good you have to know them but you have to also be live and that’s why I loved when they win the SEAL Teams when we went from just having live rounds and paper targets which everyone was that was like the highest form hey we tried we trained with live fire that’s the best thing and that’s what I was raised to believe as soon as I saw we had this ammunition and then once I realized how effective simulation was like you don’t even need simulation even to run around literally saying bang bang at each other but he’s got people moving and it’s going to help you so that that mindset came from trying to not be just be Hoosiers you know Hoosiers that the movie Hoosiers a basketball movie it’s an awesome movie but the beginning is all just drilling and my dad because I didn’t play basketball incidental improvised ball he said okay so he’s teaching me how to play basketball but he was like a Hoosier guy they’re gonna be good defense they’re gonna be good at ball handling and and then unfortunately coach was the same way my first coach was the same way seventh grader eighth grade just like a Hoosier it would have good defense and I drilled hook up well I’ll be careful with that but someone that played street ball someone that played street ball exactly yeah and and and didn’t no one ever taught him ball handling no one ever taught him the theory behind a zone defense yeah that guy would have done infinitely better than I did in my first basketball game my dad must have been hanging his head Shane we must have been what a loser how did I raise this kid yeah well yeah yeah sure the same same kind of thing yeah those street fighters they know how it feels to like land a punch yeah they know they have this kind of intuitive gauge on you know kind of distance in a way you know just they’ve been there yeah and that’s why when you train people for anything even in the business world like don’t just train the people the mechanics of a conversation that they’re supposed to have if their leader just don’t train them on the mechanics here’s what you say read this script no put them live fireman they’re wooden live fire role play with them have them sit with you while you’re going through something have them go in there and talk to somebody that you told them how to act and act all crazy to do that do that with them yeah check check do you take creatine I do not take creatine I have taken creatine I believe it isn’t it is an effective supplement when remember phosphagen losses yeah when that came out I was the first creatine supplement I was drinking so much that it was vanilla it was disgusting and I was on the I was on a ship at the time with a seal platoon and we were all trying to get as big as possible we were all taking creatine I was drinking so much phosphor gain that I had to hold my nose and do it you to hold my names and do it like a shot made me want to throw up that’s like a weight gainer yeah I was a gym and then this phosphor game yeah the gainer yeah whichever one I was on tops for gain and yes only had an inflator which I don’t even like vanilla flavor but that’s it there’s your mistake no I was only alfred at the time when it first came out we were all in the game but yeah creatine is it is effective I never really had any of the big side effects where people say you get dehydrated and whatever literally had that bloated I never really saw much of that but I don’t take creatine right now I haven’t taken it for a long time me neither and I don’t actually I never did maybe no I took this thing called beta gin I think there is creatine in that who’s like long time ago yeah then it’s good I think maybe I don’t know but yeah I don’t know much about it um as far as what’s true and what it’s not a you’re great things and I could jump things welcome to the interwebs yeah next do you ever if you ever surf in Europe I have not served in Europe I would like to surf in Europe I know that you boys up and Ireland got some big slabs so maybe at some point I’ll get up and surf what there looks awesome it’s very inconsistent though I’m very crazy with the title differences so that’s some point to you would be cool your surf in Hawaii I have I have yes you ever been to Kauai before No December think about it next question check I have a bad back and I need to lose a hundred pounds any advice on what exercises to start with to kick-start things you know you have a bad back you need to take care of that and I have no idea what that means that could mean so many different things what you need to do is you need to probably you know start to figure out what you can do you probably want to go to your doctor and say hey what can I can not what can I do and what can I not do and then doctors sometimes are overly cautious so maybe get a second opinion switching to Aerith but the bottom line is if you got a hundred pounds to lose here’s what you need to do start moving some way somehow whether that starts off is walking whether that starts off as doing some calisthenics whether it starts off is riding an exercise bike you need to start moving that’s what you need to do and then you need to fix the diet because that’s where most that weight loss is going to come from and that’s the best ways to kickstart things agree yes and you know how ok the diet thing real quick this you know how like certain things you go into certain situations and you’re hit with feelings or certain things that you weren’t expecting you’re like I did rejects really yeah but you know then you’ll fall into certain pitfalls because you like dang I didn’t really expect it to be like this you know and maybe if you went in there expecting certain things or understanding and certain things are going to come about you have more will so the diet thing when you change diet if your diet let’s say your typical diet is poor mean typically that’s going to mean it tastes good in some way Jack you know what it’d be you know fast food or right just whatever is do Fred yeah less sugar yeah exactly right so it tastes good and foods that taste good have a certain chemical reaction in your brain and they play um they go hand-in-hand pleasure we’ll call it pleasure so when you um when you refine your diet typically that means it’s going to be less sugar you know sometimes less that it depends on what kind of diet you know you go on but if it’s if it’s a better diet compared to your junk food diet based on taste and pleasure versus less tasty exactly right so it’s one thing to be like okay it doesn’t taste as good and I can handle that that’s cool but the chemical reaction in your brain is basically going to be telling you like you need pleasure you are being deprived the pleasure and you know they’re telling your brain is telling you it’s not just pleasure it’s sustenance it’s your five moves on me yes not just you want you need yeah that doughnut yeah that was United now immediately I got to get over that and people call it cravings that’s your craving but it’s one thing to be like okay craving I can overcome that for a lot of people but it’s it’s a weird feeling it goes beyond just it you want to know a good way to kick things off go on a fast man go on the side yeah 24 hour fast because I’ll tell you what the best thing about going on a fast in my opinion is how it recalibrates your your it recalibrates to things your actual feeling of hunger and it recalibrates your taste buds to yes because when you’re eating this beautiful stuff all the time it is long left I so good and you just it just need more of it yeah whereas once you go on a fast when you have a glass of water it tastes good just a still good when you and then when you break the fast and you have whatever you’re going to have whatever your first meal is it takes really good and it’s very satisfying because you haven’t eaten yet yeah your needs aver your needs so that’s one of the best things I found about fasting is it recalibrates those those two things hunger and taste and things too to taste better it’s like have you ever drink coca-cola right so you’re used to that sweet sweet sweet thing every once in a while for me because I don’t drink it if I cased it it tastes all over the comments and over the top and B that’s because I’ve fasted from having Coca Cola’s for so long that it just is a taste that I don’t even like anymore yeah but there’s a middle ground where hey you can have it you go wow this tastes incredibly good but I don’t need a ton of it because I got the satisfaction of the case right so yeah that’s another good way to kick things off yes go on a fast go on a 24-hour fast you don’t need food like I told my when my daughter was going through the last wrestling season she was telling me she says you know dad I was I was thinking okay she’s fasting or not fasting she’s cutting lately never mind fasting she got weight if water and her thing was like you know if I were a person can live for 30 days without food I can make it till post weigh-ins yeah you know yeah you’re not starving kiddingly as big tony btf tony used to say like you’re not gonna die oh you’re in a dialogue no so calm I thought for Tony the other day on the phone it was all fired up we were laughing really hard today I was telling a I was telling a story and he was laughing so hysterically that it was hard to understand it so yes Tony yeah that was his thing well you’re not gonna you’re not gonna just die you don’t have anything right now yeah stop man that’s all that says so much about what when you feel like eating just picture Tony yeah this picture btf tony sitting there going you’re not gonna die if you don’t have that so the calm yeah just just be tougher yeah wrong with you Manny that’s such a good flow mean it’s real funny when he says it you know it makes you feel like real real post but he’s kind of right you know it’s like you’re like oh my gosh I’m just I’ve been just crazy you know how how embarrassing is that imagine this imagine if you had to announce your stupid pathetic crazy craving and needs wants to the world yeah you know I imagine if I had to walk into a room into a group of people and say I cannot live another second longer without a doughnut like that would be so embarrassing as a human to say that and yet we think that way and we act that way to say it right but our actions basically act that way we know that the doughnut is not needed yeah we know that the doughnut is not needed yeah if you were if you were starving for for 38 days you de doughnut if you run day 37 hold off you might buy the station yeah yeah it’s so bad man you said you meant and made me think that it’s so bad that this is an official effective way to like improve your diet this right here don’t keep junk food in your house yeah like that’s what your junk food junk food in your house you can’t control yourself yeah and you’re a rationalize to you well you know what it’s no big deal I’m not gonna start that coming too fast in three weeks anyway so I’m glad eat this whatever right now that’s how bad we’re we can’t control herself I like that idea just thought of just having to announce your week thoughts to the whole world yeah and how stupid they would say if you’re going to carry out an action that’s weak you should have to verbalize it first yeah I am about to eat this donut because I cannot survive without it announce your rationalization to the world yeah I’m going to skip this workout because my left pinky is sore from jujitsu three weeks ago well no well that’s just that’s a better rationalization than a lot of ones that have dealt with straight up I don’t feel like it I straight up that’s not very come on Joe next question PD te D or HGH question mark what that means do you take these or or which one is better yeah well PD is the general term performance in a head drugs and she H is a human almost I I think is that asking or this person is asking if you take them why not or your thoughts on them the only performance-enhancing drug that I take is jock away I take jock whitey now it which being run through the Olympic Committee to see it looks like it’s going to get banned in the Olympics jock elected yeah yeah really beginning record yeah tell me you’re coming new records are being practiced yeah no I don’t think anything never have yeah the HTH and NOPD’s perform what’s the performance performance enhancing drugs steroids bro yeah but so let’s say technically is caffeine a performance yeah III think it actually I don’t know I don’t know if I don’t know well it is no I do know that it is in a performance-enhancing drug it is yeah people technically and when they scientifically measure it is a performance tantrum drug but I think for some reason it’s legal yes like even in the Olympics or whatever I don’t think you I think you do have a maximum that you could take I don’t think I could just book fill your blood with caffeine and and go do you know your wrestling match but but Mikey yeah kind of off yeah interesting yeah my am have this friend called ke ke kula kill coin is his name in college he’s like I wanna say outside linebacker maybe inside no no he’s a linebacker so and so he’d have a real good workout and you know when you work out what lifting you’d have you’d have a pump right you know you walk around so you pick off his shirt sometimes anything like like guys guys I think I’m on steroids always thought that was the funniest thing nonetheless oh yeah no no steroids rted jump go next can you believe in aliens I’m assuming they mean extraterrestrial and yes I do mean that I my opinion on aliens is that I’m sure in this vast unknown world and universe there is likely to be other life forms that have some level of intelligence interesting how sure on the scale from one to ten how sure you are obviously you can’t beat a not very um over a five but well actually when you take the entire universe yeah which is so massive we can barely even comprehend it the chances are decent that there’s some other some how intelligent lifeform out there yeah and you almost become you kind of have to ask wait like at this very time but then when you think about it there’s really no time in a way like that’s kind of relative to so in the whole existence would you say what nine are you level nine sure is the nicest matter of opinion don’t know I think nine I think like nine point oh so you’re a believer yeah I’m a believer I would be vast like if some wizard guy was like okay you get to make a bet do you think there is or isn’t I know the answer do you think there is or isn’t you know we need a wizard be proof of concept right there stop in your area what if you the guy from the future oh can somehow figured it out I don’t know right they they map the whole universe I don’t know whatever I would bet ya know the cost is your life too by the way like you have to make a bed you have to make a choice and you if you get it right you live get it wrong you die I would I would bet yeah oh hell yeah very I would bet yes I would right yes yeah that’s the thing is is you would also it’d be interesting to have a scientist or talk to a scientist about the probability of human life like how incredibly maybe guided at any minute you like all the little things that had to happen for us to end up here yeah and it’s whatever hand up again oh yeah happening a lot but then again you you you compare that to the unknown one of this universe that is so large it’s in comprehensible it chances are it’s happened somewhere yeah else and even just and that’s in a way a different point where it’s like you know what would it take to to make humans and wind up being humans if you look at it backwards it seems really like oh my god this is crazy like you know almost impossible Auto percenter yeah miracle kind of thing but you I can you can say that with everyday thing if you look at it backwards so like let’s say I had a um like Legos right okay we had this big bucket of Legos it was more than one of those big plastic tubs there’s just full of years and years and years of LEGO sets and there’s all in there if I were to take that tub full Legos and fucking pour it out on the ground on a marble surface so they scatter everywhere and and then it’ll you know when they all settle it’ll be a little pattern right Legos various colors shapes sizes all kinds different places spaces okay and to take that exact pattern down to the nanometer that exact pattern and be like this is the most special pattern in the entire world ever in the existence this one is there is no way anyone ever ever ever could recreate this exact pattern down to the nanometer it’s impossible that’s why this pattern is so special but it’s just one of many potential eventualities really infinite you know and when you end up at something and then say okay that what we have to end up as is special it that’s looking at it backwards like I said so it’s like the lottery winner you know the guy who wins the lottery he’s like oh my gosh I’m so special I want to let no Christian if I took a ping pong ball and I saw and I had a mosh pit of 1 million people one ping pong ball I throw it in the mosh pit and then somebody catches it oh my gosh I’m so special Beth someone’s gonna get it someone’s gonna get the ping pong ball that’s affirmative yeah but it doesn’t make it necessarily special unless you look at it backwards you know if that guy’s like I’m gonna go into another the guy doing the other alien life-form could be something that we could barely even imagine of what it’s yeah and not that that probability was is what it is yeah or it’s going to be something like so small yeah and but it if it’s like more superior intelligence it’s going to be something we don’t recognize the same way like if you have of caterpillar on a leaf and I see it from ten yards away I see that little caterpillar right right there hey caterpillar yelling at it you know the vibrations from my voice are hitting it and get a relic out the caterpillar has no idea that you even exist don’t even though a human is doesn’t know by your problems doesn’t know about your podcast you know meanwhile you know a lot about your podcast you know no he doesn’t listen to the podcast I can say with a fair amount of I don’t know maybe he doesn’t know he has big butterflies plans future Jocko next question ex question how can I incur from you can talk more but no Liam help I had a war about aliens or Legos I’m telling you Lego patterns if you want people see UFOs they go straight dude that’s an alien even though it’s I unidentified can’t do that remember I was telling you with that kids book ideas yeah you tell me about that you know tell me again it goes deeper knowing it I mean actually smore about these flaws about people consider or regard aleene’s potentially me Jocko how can I encourage a sense of urgency this is a hard one and in others yeah well yeah I think I’m assuming that this means with others but for either yourself or others what you have to realize is that time is going by very fast and when you have projects that are due the minute you look at them you got to say this is going to take longer than we think it’s going to take let’s start moving on it now and then set yourself a really tight timelines to make things happen and that what that’ll do is will make you realize how far behind the power curve you are that was one of my rules when I was in the SEAL Teams was I was always saying let’s be as far ahead in the power curve as power as possible as we possibly can so is that a normal expression power curve like that’s the thing that you’re trying to stay ahead of because it’s going to smash you so I would always you know just we didn’t slow down the power curve if we got we thought we were ahead go ahead further but I I always had a really good sense that that power curve was coming to crush us huh so that’s what you have to do get as far ahead of it as you can tell everyone where it is we’ve set some small goals say oh you don’t think this projects going to take long okay cool let’s just finish this first six percent which means this business and let’s have that done by tomorrow afternoon tomorrow afternoon comes in there I mean close okay guess what we need to align we need to get a sense of urgency going so we can get this done that’s it I know that to encourage a sense of urgency in yourself what you can do kind of work sometimes is you think about the feeling you’re going to have after it’s done and then consider things that you already did get done you’re have those little you’re different but sometimes we the people have things that man we need to do and it’s just a small thing you know and like I’ll do it I’ll do it later I’m doing something right now do it I know tomorrow yeah sure that’s pretty intuitive to you but you know sometimes you just be like doing it later we’re just going to do it later because I’m thinking about something right now or I’m doing something right now and then do it now or while you’re thinking about doing it just to do it I know yes I want that you’re under your kids all the time hey do the dishes blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah you know to be done I know that’s the thing that’s the whole point right there so when you do it when you do the thing let’s say you got it whatever you get a respond to an email I don’t know and after you do it that just that feeling right when it’s done like saying that that a that what didn’t take much a that’s not gonna be case every time but didn’t take much and Beast I’m done mmm my daddy said this saying is what he’d say do it and it’ll be done a good sign and as a kid I was like poker it’s more that’s like it is what it is yeah I know it is what it is you said that you don’t have to say that you know but what’s your dad’s first name technically it’s William Charles Jr okay what we look like BC we have a new quote from BC a CEO for Bill Charles filters yeah yeah so BC is in the house you know do it and it is done I like that one do it and then it’ll be done do it and it will be done yeah I changes a little bit doing it’s done yeah same thing same idea but his thing with always yeah exactly same thing earth the exact words BC to it and it’ll be done yeah at me as a grown adult arguably yeah parallel words in impact the way I wanted them now I’m seeing the genius of it you know doing it’ll be done like you don’t have to so here next question if digital is not locally available what would be the next next best martial arts choice or the next best thing or is the one way 70 mile drive worth it thank you meaning it’s not locally available it’s 74 why that’s a long haul so yeah there’s a lot of other available martial arts I would say you got judo and wrestling and those exist in a lot of places that jiu-jitsu doesn’t exist so wrestling judo Sambo those are all good options great options you can find a catch wrestling school there’s so there’s definitely some options find a good grappling but a real grappling school what you want to watch out for is a place that says it has karate kung-fu and jiu-jitsu you want to watch out for that place because that means the guy just put that up there because you’re just getting popular yes so watch out for that guy and that one’s pretty like across the board right there I mean I can’t really imagine many exceptions where it’s like correct you know like all the other ones and jiu-jitsu and it’s the legitimate Judy it doesn’t happen very often now you might have a place it says boxing wrestling or in jiu-jitsu yes it’s probably legit because you’ve got legit boxing legit wrestling legit judo and legit jiu-jitsu so okay cool that’s probably true but when it’s non legit things and they throw jiu-jitsu on the end of it watch out and whenever I’m talking about jiu-jitsu I’m talking about Brazilian jiu-jitsu I just got to make that clear talking about Brazilian jiu-jitsu not other forms of jiu-jitsu so be careful of that know what they like in the spirit of fairness there there very well could be like you know because a lot of these guys though they’ll have this vast background in like Kempo karate you’re not injure come on they’re right and then they you know usually guide you to know for sure meanwhile they’re traditionalist but they’re jujitsu colleges legit that’s why I said just be careful oh yeah yeah be careful when I bet it and most people if fifteen years ago they started taking Brazilian jiu-jitsu they got their black belt there there Tai Chi Quan whatever whatever martial art is not at the on the list of what they teach at their school it’s gone actually if they’re a black belt in jujitsu they’re teaching Brazilian jiu-jitsu and they don’t say Brazilian jiu-jitsu plus Bo Khan Quan or whatever they don’t say that they’re going to do that yeah and if they do do it I actually am gonna question there are some questions yeah there’s questions again can it be can there be a legit person yes there kid there are some legit dudes that are you know black belts and Brazilian jiu-jitsu and they’re a black belt and some other traditional martial arts that they took before that that is that does happen most of the time when they realize that the white belt or blue belt in Brazilian jiu-jitsu destroyed them and their martial art they tell you for ten years they don’t put that on the list anymore right that’s why I that’s what it does to most people so that’s why there’s questions yeah question there’s questions so yeah it’s wrestling wrestling what I know I’m missing I apologize got folks out there from missing but wrestling judo Sambo catch wrestling those net now if there’s no kind of grappling venue boxing Muay Thai that’s your next best option so that you’re still learning how to fight you just aren’t getting the groundwork and you definitely want to get the groundwork at some point so and then the question on the 70-mile Drive I get this a lot to some people they have no martial art in their area and they have a martial they have jiu-jitsu 70 miles away what should I do my vote in that situation is get some mats at your house get two or three of your friends that want to learn how to fight start watching YouTube videos and once a week on the Saturday go down but that’s jiu-jitsu school when we were training it back at Fabio’s brokenness games there was there was people like that they lived in they lived somewhere and in the desert of Southern California there was no jiu-jitsu they work 9:00 to 5:00 and then on Saturday they come out and train and that’s what they got and they go home and work on their drills with their three guys that they were driving 80 miles to come and train on the weekend so yeah that’s that’s a method of doing it to you you can train on your own with your buddies on the mats that you get and watching YouTube and or whatever online mechanism you want to use and then once a week you come and you make the trek and you learn and you get to train with other people and you see where you’re at yeah thank that’s good yeah very good yeah the it’s next best thing is the heart I guess it’s some total matter of opinion but I feel like wrestling like if you went um like well wrestling is like a really good tool it depends on what you’re doing like why you’re not doing it yeah like for a self yeah wrestling is awesome yes I know that that to the heckling is an awesome wrestling is gives you such a massive advantage not only in jiu-jitsu but in life yeah they give you an advantage so wrestling is awesome that being said judo is awesome too and if you train but there’s a more of the variation in judo schools right and a high end judo school those people are awesome and that’s a great martial art and you learn groundwork you learn takedowns it’s a great martial art don’t no question about it there are some weak judo schools though judo has a little bit of a tendency to sometimes judo people can adapt some of the traditional Mart’s traditional martial arts attitude including the attitude of we’re not actually training and so that has happened but now that that’s less that doesn’t happen very often so yeah you can find a good you well the way you find if it’s good judo school go and put on a game and say let’s fight or let me train with you yeah and they’re going to put you just they’re going to they’re gonna take you down and be able to work you over that’s what you do is do you know is very similar to jiu-jitsu very similar in jiu-jitsu so judo is a great thing to have wrestling is a great thing to have for sure Samba is awesome Zombo is actually like judo and wrestling take hether so Sabo is great same would catch wrestling again there’s cat wrestling is a little less with catch wrestling you’re you’re a little bit more apt to find something that doesn’t actually know what they’re doing and so you have to be careful of that there’s some phenomenal catch wrestling schools though for sure so I think we got time for looking on more of these yes chuckle how do I get the desire to have discipline how do I get the desire to have discipline there I keep getting asked this type of question how do I get discipline or how do I want discipline or how do I maintain discipline and the answer it’s it’s simple answer but obviously it’s not easy and there’s all kinds of little tricks and methods that people talk about and you know they have some merit you know maybe they do work these these things you know do the little things people say and wake up early I say that and write things down and take cold showers and tell everyone what you’re going to do so broadcast it and make promises or or make bets with with your friends of something that you don’t want to lose and those things those ideas they’re cool I’m sure they’re going to have some impact and if they work for you that’s that’s awesome but but the fact of the matter is that the reason discipline is hard to maintain is because it is hard to maintain that’s what makes discipline hard it’s hard and if you hear me claim that discipline is easy for me then straight up that’s just my ego talking that’s what that is because I’m unfortunately just as human as everyone else and it is work to maintain the discipline that’s what it is work holding the line maintaining the standard giving no slack none that’s the discipline that’s the discipline and it is hard and if there’s one thing I would say that does make it easier it’s to envision what it feels like when you’re done what it feels like after you worked out or you’ve held the line on your food intake or you’ve pushed through some monotonous project that you have to do in all those things when they’re done that they feel good and contrary to that envision what you will feel like later when you let the discipline slack you know the feeling feeling weak and defeated and you know that you’re falling behind so get to know those two different types of feelings and ask yourself which one you want to feel in ten minutes or in a half an hour when when the thing is done when the discipline has blende implemented remember what that feels like and then remember that those minutes and those hours they turn into weeks and months and years and holding the line in those critical minutes will put you in an infinitely better place physically and mentally if you maintain the discipline so work through the weakness fight through the temptation hold the line hold the line maintain the discipline it is not easy but it is worth it because yes because discipline equals freedom and I think that’s all I’ve got for tonight so echo speaking of discipline perhaps in a disciplined manner you could explain to us how we could support this podcast if we wanted to yeah if you want it for sure I feel like we should like we always do in a disciplined way top blood on it just by just one I mean concise by the way oh okay we’re over to remember half hours or something like that something like this sure okay that doesn’t control that doesn’t you’re not even that doesn’t play into your head does it you’re in the game you’re here to get your job done you care long it takes correct yeah nonetheless last time I mentioned that I ran out of krill oil you even said you should go to the store and buy some yeah did you know the good thing is when I went home from our session it did come in Oh a long way thankfully the rangitane oh yeah elbow yes nice two of them or just one one put it away 54 pounds you need another one yeah so I want I want the zombie one for it whatever the ranking ones cool but the zombie one was really cool so they’re out of them I think they’re the same weight 54 someone 254th they’re out of them so I was like yeah I’ll just one of these just you know as a one-off and then when the zombie ones come in check I’ll get the two zombie one so where is this what is this store everything is that on it calm but I’m explain what it is just keeps people don’t know or they don’t understand the importance I think it’s important nonetheless krill oil came in this is what you do and I mentioned this before this is what I’m gonna do I’m gonna try to do I should just do it and it’ll be done stay on it you know what that is right stay on it oh the automatic yeah oh yeah would even call it three automatic automata shit automated shipment yeah you just pay every month and it automatically comes yeah yeah I think you might even get the feelin though I don’t know but that’s what I’m doing a staff called stay on it yeah you know what man that’s an a lot of people or companies do that you know like the you know I know when you do it on other stuff yeah I Milan like to bring you know things that you just use all okay desktop you’re gonna have that that’s that’s a good deal I mean that’s a good thing to do with basically everything at one time when I was drinking mark another check anymore hardly um who was it was Rudy he asked me to do something a video or something I don’t know and he was like hey can I pay you in vodka and I gave a savage says that over food anyway and he goes can I pay you in vodka I didn’t tell me get out of here I was I was consider I’ll sick wait a second it kind of is like currency when you drink every day you know it’s guy like I’m gonna spend that money anyway so I’m like hey you know what I could do I’m just thinking about it lasted for like five seconds maybe 10 maybe 20 but I talked to myself hmm think of how much money I would have charged them like double it or triple it and get that much worth of vodka boom I just saved 75 you know 66 percent you know I’m saying okay move on nonetheless the point still stands if it’s if you don’t have to think about it just come you are to run into this thing like me where I’m out of krill oil for one week back she was little less Italy doesn’t matter I won’t be out of it at all so yeah stay on it that’s the one krill oil stron Bone didn’t run out of that by the way and that’s good man that stuff is good it’s weird how I told you right how my shoulder was jacked like the chair didn’t bar here now but to be a healthy and I didn’t stop lifting you know how you get tendinitis you’re like I gotta stop lifting or lift lighter you know like every but lighter is for suckers strombone stay strong get rid of the tendinitis and any bone issues I think if I’m not mistaken I’m not sure I gotta go back on the website I get addicted to that website it’s like interesting stuff I think it can delay or stop the onset of osteoporosis I don’t want to make that clam not making that thing I’m not gonna direct what I’m just saying that’s what strontium does nonetheless good kettle bells on their workout stuff especially if you like like you know if you go and bench I don’t bench but if you do a you know just repetitious shoulder press I don’t know it can get boring but if you’re into like interesting type workouts you know how like do you have a mace throw like I do yeah and yet like yeah yeah on a club yeah got me yeah that’s why you work out so much and oh really more because you’re out looking forward to it it’s all interesting anyone if you’re into those interesting workouts and school cuz you can like yourself a bunch of workouts just for one kettlebell you know so maces and of course I got the you know traditional stuff jump rope whatnot but um like they have these metal things I don’t know what they are but it’s like you know these are for working out so it’s like man you can’t even get bored working out anymore really when you go on there anyway websites interesting too anyway this stuff the supplements are outstanding they do have um yeah I must say it this nut butter blend also I got some MCT oil yeah you know an MC t MC t stands for yes I do medium chain triglycerides it’s good for you you know I cook with that one and I put it in what did you make like a dessert with it or something all kinds of sauce with it with some t-shirts you’ll be whipping cream something anyway go on there get 10% off if you want 10% off go on it calm /g Akko it’s good one support yourself support you joints for your help I don’t think you should be in a situation anymore anymore given the times when to not support your health there’s really no room for not supporting your health right now all your needs are met you’re not going out in like you’re not hunting for elephants yeah unless do that on a duck on flash choco also good way to support your brain is to read these books Eugene sledge another one from him China marine also around the for and a rumor for and we go I’m reading it upside down there and we go on oh those are powerful books on the website choco podcast calm there’s a page it’s called books from the episode top menu click on it boom all the books from all the episodes with the link directly to Amazon you get those books through there that’s good way to support Amazon click-through or if you’re doing any other kind of shop and just click through our website and get whatever you’re going to get including but not limited to these books duct tapes duct tapes maybe do multiple roles such tapes but even if there’s multiple rules I think it’s still duct tape where these got different types of duct tapes still no ok or paper clips particular or whichever MacGyver stuff that you’re into getting riding getting more nice I’m going to bring them if you ever go on Amazon and be like hey this is cool and then you how they show you the little suggestions and then you buy all the suggestions do you ever actually buy all the suggestions now because I’ve disappointed I need uh so I went on there and I got a flashlight you know how nice flashlight technology I also nowadays spreadsheet nowadays back in the day remember the ones that yet had like a kids like a suitcase flies you know big legs but they’re big so those are dope as a kid like if you had that one you’re like the man yeah exactly right so kind of reliving it so I’m like let me get a flashlight then you look at all the new flashlights out oh my gosh these are so I’m like okay I’m gonna buy this on a Maglite back lights are dope because you can hit people with it you know in the event of having to use it for a weapon so I get one and then I click on it and there’s various options on the length of it my so I get the regular went camouflage from my daughter she’s four she likes flashlights like all kids do I get two for me one for Sara – that’s a long one like ass it’s called like a six cell meaning it takes six batteries so you can imagine how long netting it’s like a straight up baton mm with a flashlight on it so I got I wind up getting nine flashlights I don’t need nine classes this is an indication of a total lack of discipline well yeah go to Amazon yes I hope you dig a click through though yeah yes I did and I got a book too by the way so yeah sure I lacked Amazon flashlight shopping discipline but I got some cool flashlights there’s this technique here I’ll show you it you might even know this but I learned this in bouncer is security training and this was a technique that you’re this is illegal to use you can’t use it as a security oh because it’s offensive it’s not insecurities minimum force necessary to affect a whatever to defuse the situation whatever so this is what it is let’s say this was a flashlight and this say this is the light part right like so usually as a layperson you hold the flashlight like this right and you like in law enforcement and stuff like that they hold it like this kind of up above like that so this is how you hold it so you show you you grip it right there by the the head of it with light you shine it in the guy’s fake crush I’d be like calm down calm down calm down they can’t really see you they’re just blinded by the light and then like uh-oh and they hear your voice and calm down coming and then you can get and you flip it around and hit them with it and you get those long Maglites but if this six cell full batteries boom they don’t see it coming they don’t flinch they don’t blink they don’t anything it’s just a complete you see light one moment for a split second the light kind of goes down then your flash then you see yeah you wake up that’s it and matter video I saw a guy doing it to somebody I was like dang the guy is it’s like you know those eerie you know like when you see a person die whether it be on video or whatever he gets like shot and his body just goes limp he doesn’t know it’s coming nothing is that it looked like that you got hit with it so square and so hard and you didn’t even flinchin it’s a real effective thing don’t do it to people unless they’re in your house or something like that anyway I digress also good way to support is subscribing to the practice iTunes Google Play Google Play and stitcher all these podcasts in providing platforms also YouTube technically is a podcast providing platform so subscribe to that one 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tops not really huh you do yes my wife threw a bunch of mine away about five or seven years ago she didn’t like no no they were just all old and ratty and she’s thrown away randomly yeah which was awesome don’t go really except longer me that’s not cool hey man it’s one of those to take one of the four things that I still bring up to her no kita my god should be I can’t believe a hotter just a dad I’d be comfortable I had a tank top I don’t have an extra shoe them away yeah same rule a see ya know there were no she doesn’t like the way you look in those tank tops it’s offensive their Sensibility that’s not cool yeah man I’m just saying you know stop pointing the finger start playing enough dumb right that’s the expression right yeah yeah yeah you gotta watch out for that strangely lol for your tank tops barely my own you know point there is someone did say actually not many people saying tank tops would be cool I don’t wear tank tops you do apparently yeah oh that’s obviously a sore subject yeah let’s make some tank tops also to do my whole wardrobe we take bring them back at the gate up ready or not here we come another like I’m pre rat eat yeah oh dang yeah you know those thing put them on the on the sander yeah nonetheless shirts are cool if you think they’re cool talk about docstore calm go in there check out the shirts this rash guards on there I think I I’m saying obviously just my opinion the rash guards are cool that’s like to me actually there’s a lot of good things on there in my opinion but nonetheless shirts on there they’re cool um if you want to support do it that way go to website see if you like something get something hats are coming soon whatever that means but they’ll be here soon also psychological warfare if you don’t know what that is I know you do but let’s say you didn’t know what that was here I’m going to tell you it is an album with tracks Jocko tracks chocolate saying what ok these are the pragmatic logical reasons why you shouldn’t slip on your diet or your waking up early or this is why you should not skip through the workout this is why you shouldn’t slack on the workout like all these little things that you’ll the probability of you slacking on certain things in life or they’ll actually really but in the event of you slacking on something and you need a spot verbal verbal in Psychological get this check this out search psychological warfare chuckle a link on iTunes or Amazon music or wherever they sell mp3’s get that and get a little spot get a little spot for your points of weakness in your yeah dirty I said it and that helps also you can get jock a white tee on Amazon by the way we talked about a little bit today the person said that they drink a cup of jackal white tea this morning before I left for muster 0:02 and ended up at mustard 0:01 not saying that I’ve proven jakka white tea allows you to travel through time and space but here we are so again this is a verified purchase review the person that actually experienced this so we need to keep that in mind jakka white tea you know in amazon com also way the warrior kid book for kids and possibly adults I think we’re starting to see that okay here is a review I wish I had read this book before it gives you an excellent path to a successful fulfilled life it is very easy but don’t be fooled it’s incredibly deep too I think it is great for a ten-year-old or for an eight-year-old as you are never too old or too young to learn the basics of an honorable life worth living fantastic 100 stars so that’s pretty cool pick up the book it’s about how to be better how to overcome the obstacles that we all face and it’s told to the voice of a 10 year old boy named Mark and his uncle Uncle Jake who comes into his life to help them overcome some of these obstacles so there you go that’s where the warrior kid also discipline equals freedom field manual editing is complete at this time so many of these questions I get asked all about all the time are laid out in this book food workouts martial arts and my my operating system what’s you that I’ve talked about on the on this podcast is in the book in a written form this book is like the podcast that you can read and absorb and refer back to so the book is like the podcast but you’re going to see it’s not a normal book it’s not normal my publishers says we’ve never published anything like this I don’t think there’s anything else published like this ever so it’s a little different it’s not a regular book just like this isn’t a regular podcast just plain equals freedom field manual you can pre-order it right now and of course extreme ownership leadership book based on what I learned during 20 years in the SEAL Teams about leadership and especially from the Battle of Ramadi and how to take those lessons and apply them to the battlefield to business and to life wrote that with my brother lave babban who was on the battlefield with me and Ramadi also we have a leadership and management consulting company me Lafe babban JP Danelle Dave Burke leadership and management alignment for your team if you want that email info at Esalen front comm and finally the muster Austin Texas July 13th and 14th too late sold out down with that one not done with it doesn’t happen but you can’t come because it’s sold out no more seats we were able to bump it up a little bit I think we got to like 320 or 330 okay but that’s a lot we were supposed to only have 300 and then we rearranged some seeds or whatever so we got it to 320 I think but that’s it we can’t we cannot put anyone else in there sold out so the next shot is back in San Diego September 14th and 15th back at the Omni Hotel on the bay in San Diego a lot of people from the first muster in San Diego are coming back and I think that will be awesome to hear from people okay you went you went to the first muster you or you learned some things then you brought them back to apply them real world you hit some obstacles what are the obstacles that you hit let’s figure out how to get around them that’s mustard 0:04 San Diego California after that we’re not going to go again with a muster for a while you know at least until sometime in 2018 probably once again in the springtime but later in the spring so be aware of that if you don’t come to September it’s going to be a while and until the muster if you do want to communicate and hang out a little bit you can find us getting at well you’re not really getting after the internet but you can find us typing letters into a keyboard on the interwebs that’s right on Twitter on Instagram and in the facebook keepo haha echo is that echo Charles and I am at Jocko willing and thanks for listening and subscribing and supporting and spreading the word but more important thanks for grabbing ahold of the challenges and the struggles in your life and learning from them and then climbing up those challenges like a Jacob’s Ladder and using them to elevate yourself instead of letting them drag you down and when you get to the top look around and give someone else a hand pull them up tell them what you learned try to do it an attack for wait try and teach them and look around and see who can help you and teach you and what you can learn from other people and teach people to overcome challenges the same way that you did the same way we all did by learning from our problems and our challenges and our struggles and after we learn from them we grabbed them by the throat and get after it so until next time this is echo and Jocko out
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