this is Joo podcast number 23 with Eko Charles and me Joo willink good evening Ekko good evening better and faster and stronger and smarter and wiser always trying to get a little bit of all those things and we try and get wiser that’s one of those things that’s wisdom which technically wisdom comes from experience so how do you Garner experience you you can’t just make yourself live longer in a shorter period of time no it doesn’t work that way so what do we do to Garner wisdom we look to the Past you got to know your past you got to know history and as I tell my son on a pretty regular basis history revolves around war and in many ways history is war and war is a human endeavor the worst of human Endeavors but it is a human endeavor nonetheless and because it is a human endeavor it therefore reflects human nature and that’s why we can learn so much from the history of War not just about war itself but about man and about human nature and the same goes for principles of war the principles of War can be applied to life can be applied to business can be applied to relationships can be applied to every human endeavor and so with that in mind that full spectrum of application let’s take a look at the oldest book about the principles of War written in 500 BC over 2 500 years ago a book whose principles still apply today sunu The Art of War sunu said The Art of War is of vital import importance to the state it is a matter of life and death a road either to safety or to ruin hence it is a subject of inquiry which can on no account be neglected you got to study war and like I said it is really about life In conflict and friction and relationships and human interaction you’re going to see all that when you start looking at the at the Art of War and here he starts talking about trying to figure out who’s going to win in a situation when seeking to determine the military conditions let them be made the basis of of a comparison in this wise which of the two generals has most ability on which side is discipline most rigorously enforced which army is stronger on which side are officers and Men most highly trained in which army is there the greater constancy in both reward and punishment that’s something you talked about Echo Charles when we’re talking about kids you talked about how it’s important for for the punishment to be constant and consistent consistent message yes now what’s interesting here and this is something we’ve talked about before and you know what I’m going to say that a lot today this is something we’ve talked about before because when you start talking about military strategy It Runs Through the Ages there’s threads that run through the ages and this is one of them he says while heeding the profit of my counsel Avail yourself also of any helpful circumstances over and Beyond the ordinary rules according as circumstances are favorable one should modify one’s plans so don’t get dead set on something don’t get locked into a plan you got to be open to change it continuing all Warfare is based on Deception hence when able to attack we must seem unable when using our forces we must seem inactive when we are near we must make the enemy believe we are away when far away we must make him believe we are near hold out baites to entice the enemy Fain disorder and crush him now this is something that applies absolutely directly to Jiu-Jitsu obviously you know uh oh oh you you think you’re going to get my arm boom I just I just swept you and got on top oh I’m really panicking this situation oh guess what I just got deep half guard came out the back and now I’m going to choke you back to the book if he is secure at all points be prepared for him if he is Superior in strength evade him if your opponent is of cheric temper seek to irrit him pretend to be weak that he may grow arrogant so this is something people don’t think about the fact that hey if your opponent has Superior strength evade him and obviously that’s something that we also heard from Mao the same that was the same Guerilla strategy if your opponent’s strong you avoid him and here he’s saying if they if they’re losing their temper a little bit go ahead and irritate them help that along y pretend to be weak so that your opponent grows arrogant and thinks doesn’t have to worry about you continuing if he is taking his ease give him no rest if his forces are united separate them attack him where he’s unprepared appear where you are not expected these military devices leading to Victory must not be divulged beforehand it’s it’s it’s strange that this is the oldest book and this thread runs throughout history and yet people interacting with each other will constantly decide they’re just going to go you know Toe to Toe you’re going to argue with me cool I’m just going to go Toe to Toe with you yeah yeah this is an intellectual approach and I think that’s you know if you’re not detached it’s harder to jump on that intellectual methodology yes if you if you come at me with your argument headon or you accuse me or you’re trying to tighten me up on something you’re just being super direct with me it’s you’re right I might get offended and then what I’m going to do I’m gonna go right back at you right instead of maneuvering on you right so like yeah how if someone’s s super smart or super calculated they’re way more likely to to sign on to this type of stuff so as you start losing your temper with someone think about what Echo Charles just said that means you’re not being very smart you’re not being very calcul it means you’re making a mistake yep means there’s a better route to go yep now continuing now the general who wins a battle makes many calculations in his Temple air the battle is fought the general who loses a battle makes but few calculations beforehand so you got to plan and it’s it’s interesting you use the word calculate calculative and he just used the same word now this is something that I’ve talked about to fight and Conquer in all your battles is not Supreme Excellence I’ll say that again to fight and Conquer in all your battles is not Supreme Excellence Supreme Excellence consists in Breaking the enemy’s resistance without fighting and I always take that one step further I always take to the point that the enemy doesn’t even know that there was a fight they didn’t even know what was happening they thought they were having dinner and going to sleep but they just got beat and that’s especially true when you’re in part of a team and you’re trying to win some you’re trying to push your idea through you’re trying to trying to convince people of something the best way to convince them is when you didn’t go that toe-to-toe with them they came to the conclusion themselves at least they think they did right you fought them without fighting them thus the highest form of generalship is to Bock the enemy’s plans the next best is to prevent the junction of enemy forces the next in order is to attack the enemy’s Army in the field and the worst policy of all is to besieged walled cities the rule is not to besiege wall cities if it can possibly be avoided now this is another thing and I’ve said this on this uh podcast before which is if someone is super dug in on a position why are you going to attack him if you have this belief that you’re just dug in on and I’m trying to maneuver around it why am I going to attack that position you’ve got you know more about it you’ve studied it you’ve been in this argument 47 times in the last three weeks mhm so how am I going to come up against you when you’ve got that well fortified position yeah the answer is I’m not it’s not going to work out good for me therefore the skillful leader subdues the enemy’s troops without any fighting he captures their cities without laying any Siege he overthrows their Kingdom without lengthy operations in the field that’s the goal that is the goal and you know that is something else about martial arts I think like when you get someone that really knows how to fight mhm most of the time you don’t have to fight yep most of the time you can tell people can tell that you know how to fight like for instance when they get in your face and you smile at them and you go oh let’s do this then they realize this is not a good idea yeah little projection of power going on here thus we may know that there are five Essentials for victory he will win who knows when to fight and when not to fight this is sort of like when we were doing Napoleon and and just about everything in the book you can just stop and think about and it’s and it’s also sort of like Jiu-Jitsu in that what you learn it’s once you hear it it seems super obvious but why aren’t you thinking about all the time right and why do you make stupid mistakes that betray that rule yeah because it’s not front of your mind right yeah it’s like I said the two when you’re emotionally charged it’s you just handle things way different which kind it’s kind of ironic in a way because it that’s what makes this so effective when people normally handle themsel in that emotional way yes and then so if you handle yourself in this way that’s the very thing that makes it effective yeah the underlying theme to this the which hasn’t been said I mean he doesn’t address this the way I addressed it the way I talk about it in our book The Way we talked about on the podcast is the the idea that you’re talking about which is the idea of detaching and not being emotional so that you can do things so that you can make good decisions yeah next he will win who knows how to handle both Superior and inferior forces he will win whose Army is animated by The Same Spirit throughout all ranks so if you’re in a leadership position and you got part of your team on board with with the program not good enough you got to get the whole team on board with the program that’s who’s going to win he will win who prepared himself prepared himself waits to take the enemy unprepared I’m just going to wait until you’re not ready why would I square up you know why would I do that if you’re ready to fight me I’m not going to go let’s just wait till you’re not expecting it yeah along with that emotional kind of state that some people are in where they where they don’t exercise these types of strategies along with the emotional state is the egotistical State you know the guy who’s like hey I’m just going to stand toe to to you’re like all right that’s tough that’s that’s you know that might that might make for a show in a you know in a fighting you know MMA situation on but as far as a strategy to win that’s again it’s cool for the show but as far as winning actually winning um it might not be the best we’ll just say that yeah yeah I would agree with you number five he will win who has military capacity and is not interfered with by The Sovereign Victory lies in the knowledge of those Five Points so that means you you can’t get micromanaged if you’re being micromanaged by the by higher Powers you’re going going to have problems mhm and here’s the classic classic saying that everyone’s heard hence the saying if you know the enemy and know yourself you need not fear the result of a hundred battles if you know yourself but not the enemy for every Victory gained you will Al also suffer a defeat if you know neither the enemy nor yourself you will succumb in every battle so you got to know yourself and that’s the one that you know that’s that’s you that’s your team that’s you that’s why you got to learn that’s why you got to study that’s why you got to train that’s why you got to test yourself too that’s why you got to put pressure on yourself because you don’t know yourself unless you put yourself in those situations yep physically mentally stress that’s what you want to go into so that you know yourself yeah when we used to send seal well when we send seal platoon overseas they know what their limitations are they’ve been tested hard individually and as a unit yeah going on sun Su said and this is actually that’s a quote from the book so I guess he must have wrote that because this is allegedly a literal translation of the of of sunsu and so he starts off his statements with sunu said the good fighters of old put first put themselves beyond the possibility of defeat and then waited for an opportunity of defeating the enemy to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself so he’s going to talk about that more and it is laced throughout this book that you got to focus on your game you got to focus on your what you can do in the situation not worried about them but like what can I do to be prepared put myself beyond the possibility of defeat hence the skillful fighter puts himself into a position which makes defeat impossible and does not miss the moment for defeating the enemy going on sunu said the control of a large force is the same in Principle as the control of a few men it is merely a question of dividing up their numbers now when I wrote about that and Le and I talk about that all the time that’s decentralized command dividing up the numbers and having subordinate leadership running the teams and having subordinate leadership inside those teams running smaller teams that’s all it is the principle of control is the same now we get into a little bit of d direct versus indirect again a topic that I talk about all the time in all fighting the direct method B may be used for joining battle but indirect methods will be needed in order to secure Victory indirect tactics efficiently applied are inexhaustible as Heaven and Earth unending as the flow of rivers and streams like the sun and moon they end but to begin a new like the Four Seasons they pass but to return once more so he’s talking about how when you get to indirect tactics there’s there are infinite numbers infinite numbers of ways to approach things there are not more than five musical notes yet the combination of these not these five give rise to more Melodies than can ever be heard there are not more than five primary colors yet in combination they produce more Hues than can ever be seen there are not more than five Cardinal tastes yet combinations of them yield flavors more flavors than can ever be tasted in battle there are not more than two methods of attack the direct and indirect yet these two in combination give rise to an endless series of Maneuvers the direct and indirect lead onto each other in turn it is like a moving surface Circle you never come to an end who can exhaust the possibilities of their combination he went a little he went descriptive right there he was obviously convinced as I am too that even though there’s basic Maneuvers the the way that you apply them is Limitless MH and that’s one of the things that makes leadership hard cuz when you’re dealing with people I mean there’s there’s there’s a certain number of types of personalities you got to deal with but then those personalities are all mixed together in a way that you have to react to them and treat them a certain way and know two are the same yeah and then you have to deal with how they interact with each other as well and then not to mention the fact that they may or may not change as individual you know as time goes as the day goes on yes exactly as the day goes on yeah they start getting hungry they start getting angry right well or maybe they just watch the ROM rtic comedy and they’re feeling a little different let’s hope that’s not the case or whatever I don’t know why I said romantic comedy all right back to sunu sunu said whoever is in the first in the field and awaits the coming of the enemy will be fresh for the fight whoever is second in the field and has to hasten to the battle will arrive exhausted therefore the clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy but does not allow the enemy’s will to to be imposed on him hear that all the time in MMA who’s going to impose their will in this fight mhm by holding out advantages to him he can cause the enemy to approach of his own accord that’s bait right or by inflicting damage he can make it impossible for the enemy to draw near if the enemy is taking his ease meaning if the enemy is trying to rest he can harass him if well supplied he can starve him out if quietly encamped he can force him to move so all these are just little things to basically annoy the enemy throw them off his game throw him off of his game appear at points which the enemy must hasten to defend March swiftly to places where you are not expected an army May March great distances without distress if he marches through country where the enemy is not you can be sure of in of succeeding in your attacks if you attack places which are not defended totally obvious right you can be sure of succeeding in your attacks if you attack places which are not defended this is something that we do in Jiu-Jitsu you know you’re attacking the neck you’re attacking the neck they’re protecting the neck they’re protecting the neck boom arm or you’re going for cira you’re going for cira you’re going for cira boom straight arm lock other arm yeah big one is you when you fake a submission to go for a guard pass or something that’s not a submission you know yeah cuz it it throws your mind off like Greg does that really well where he’ll go for that gutin and you’re like oh he’s going for a submission so your mind it’s one thing to be like okay I see he’s going for my neck and then yet my arm could be exposed it’s that’s one thing because you’re thinking okay this submission to this next submission but if it’s you know if they’re going for something completely different different aspect of the game it throws you off even more he’s got me with that like three times in a row before yeah that’s basically going even further to the flank yeah getting some you know you’re expecting this somebody to shoot you with a machine gun they start lobbing mortars at you yeah you weren’t ready for that at all or they start T like taking your guy’s hostage and then through the back door something like that you know completely different yeah you can ensure the safety of your defense if you hold only positions that cannot be attacked how obvious is that yeah let’s just get in positions where we can’t be attacked and then we will defend them very easily the spot where we intend to fight must not be made known for then the enemy will have to prepare against a possible attack at several different points and his forces being thus distributed in many directions the numbers we shall have to face at any given point will be proportionately few so you don’t want to let the enemy know where you’re going to attack him because then he can defend that specific area whereas if he has to defend all of his areas he’s got less people defending where you’re going to attack mhm we did that really well in World War II a D-Day you know they the Germans did not know they were suspect where we were going to attack but they didn’t know it was Normandy so they had a lot of defenses strewn about in other areas and strong now here we go with how we deal with what the enemy does for should the enemy strengthen his van which van is like the division at the front it’s the front of your troops van that’s why they like the term Van Guard it’s like your front front guard got for should the enemy strengthen his van he will weaken his rear should he strengthen his rear he will weaken his van should he strengthen his left he will weaken his right should he strengthen his right he will weaken his left if he sends reinforcements everywhere he will be everywhere we and that’s what you know again going to Jiu-Jitsu when someone is when you feel them passing and they’re foot locking you and they’re thinking about a knee loock and you they got all those things going on at the same time and you’re just trying to spread your defenses thin then when they do one of those three you’re in trouble and I always explain to people you know when you it’s easy it’s pretty easy for anybody if you tell me hey I’m gonna try and straighten out your arm and that’s my whole focus is to stop you from straightening my arm it’s you know I can do it M I can do it pretty well I’m well defended on that area there’s an opening somewhere else right and the same thing with guard passing if I’m trying to pass your guard all tight low and heavy and you’re just defending defending defending that means there’s an opening somewhere else probably far away from you yeah super common one with guard passing is you know how you smash to the you know one side right you’re smashing smashing to one side and then you hop your hips over the other side it’s wide open all the time and the harder you smash the more wide open that far side is yeah that’s a common one yeah it’s just a it’s just a distraction yeah and then a flank mhm Sun su’s been doing it for 2500 years dang all right do not repeat the tactics which you have gained your V on Victory do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one Victory but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances military tactics are like unto water for water in its natural course runs away from high places and hastens downward so in war the way to avoid what is strong is to strike what is weak now this is something that we definitely got raised within SEAL Teams you don’t use the same methodology over and over and over again and develop a pattern you don’t do it no matter how minor you change things up you change things up and that’s something that any good military unit does it’s something that any anybody that’s uh being uh threatened you know if your life is in danger you don’t set a pattern on what you do you change it up water shapes its course according to the ground over which it flows the soldier works out his victory in relation to the foe whom he is facing therefore just as water retains no constant shape so in Warfare there are no constant conditions you got to have an open mind you can’t get trapped inside your own tactics you can’t get trapped in inside your own game and I see this with businesses we work with with companies that we work with where they have got their thing that they’ve done and they’ve been successful for six years running mhm and then all of a sudden something changes and they’re trying to run the same methodology without ever stepping back and saying wait a second we did well we had a 12% growth average for the past six years and all of a sudden we’re down 22% what happened well let’s just do what we did before again and again that’s what that’s what how people spiral into uh bankruptcy why because the conditions outside of the company change conditions change battle and they don’t look and say oh the enemy adapted the competitors adapted M you know you can look at some of these businesses that have gone on I mean the music industry has changed dramatically y CDs I mean imagine if you owned a CD production Warehouse somewhere I mean you would be making CDs yeah Tower Records classic example yeah yeah and and back to the the doing the same um thing over and over again like you know if you succeed with this one you know method don’t do it’s like sales people you know sales people they really look well a lot of them they really look at sales as this kind of War you know it’s me again someone makes the sale either you sell them your product or they sell you why they can’t buy whatever um when you see as a consumer when you see the especially from sales people directly when you see the same language over and over after a while you’re like I see exactly what you’re doing I see what you’re doing you know how they ask you they’ll ask you a question that if you say no to you look dumb or something like that you know so I don’t know if they’re you say yes 15 times in a row and then yeah they’ be like oh obviously right and you’re like I can’t you kind of feel like you can’t say no but after a while you’re like I see what you’re doing you know so it may work cuz that they probably teach him that you know so it’s like oh yeah that works that’s that works that works but yeah everyone’s starting to get hip to it stuff won’t work anymore not it’s definitely not going to work on Echo Charles no no no I see what you’re doing I see what you guys are doing all right and this is just restating the same thing he who can modify his tactics and relation to his opponent and thereby succeed in winning may be called a heaven born Captain so if you can look at what your opponent’s doing and this is something that again I see companies do it I see Jiu-Jitsu players do it they have that one thing that they’re used to and then someone’s really good at defending that one thing and they just keep going against it keep going against it keep going against it keep run into that brick wall and it’s not going to get you where you want to be yep it’s problematic Here We Go From sunu A Soldier’s spirit is keenest in the morning by noon day it has begun to flag and in the evening his mind is bent only on returning to Camp a clever a clever General therefore avoids an army when its spirit is Keen but attacks when it is sluggish and in inclined to return this is the art of studying moods and I like that the art of studying moods is about knowing people yeah is that kind of like the guy in Jiu-Jitsu class who shows up like 15 minutes before the class ends when everyone’s been rolling yeah yeah he’s getting everyone when they’re in sluggish when they’re ready to turn go back to Camp like hey guys want to roll oh fresh yeah it is a military Axiom not to advance uphill against the enemy nor to oppose him when he comes downhill do not pursue an enemy who simulates flight do not attack soldiers whose temper is Keen do not swallow a bait offered by the enemy do not interfere with an army that’s returning home that’s a good one they’re going they’re running let him run let them go home they’re going to fight hard to get home right they got visions of their family in their head when you surround an army leave an outlet free do not press a desperate foe too hard and this is something you see psychologically a lot you know with an argument you got a couple Executives and maybe the senior executive has a plan and no one likes the plan well you just don’t want to box him in and prove him wrong in front of everybody right you don’t want to do that yeah you want to be y you want to get your son Sue together you want to leave him a little opening where he can say you know what after reconsidering I’ve decided I want to go with this other way because I figured out that blah blah blah want to give him an out yeah what you don’t want to do is make him stick to this bad plan because his ego is making him stick there y yeah recognize do not linger in dangerously isolated positions when you’re doing Jiu-Jitsu don’t when someone gets AC cross side you scramble you go crazy don’t let them settle there when somebody’s trying to get that ghee collar up underneath your head and they’re going to have you trapped don’t let them get there don’t don’t linger in dangerously isolated positions move yeah yeah it’s it gets so complex with this and in Jiu-Jitsu where so just get consider just what you said cuz this kind of It kind of overflows into another part that he just talked about so let’s say the example of the guy passing your guard into your side control right during his pass you said don’t let him settle exactly so but when he let’s say whatever you lose the fight for whatever reason and he does settle now you’re faced with a situation where if he’s settled on you hard where he’s you can tell he’s putting strength into holding that position and you then you try to scramble you’re going against you’re going full speed you know Toe to Toe like how we said not to do so at that point you got to change your strategy if you had had already lost that battle you and he’s settled and he’s putting his his energy into holding you now you got to play another tactic that he said let him you know you got to relax a little bit so he starts relaxing a little bit you know and it’s like that’s a common thing that’s like you know a pretty well-known strategy I would say when when you get advanced in Jitsu but it’s crazy how he just lays it out and that’s the perfect exact exact example yeah but all in one little one little move one little movement and actually he continues on that same on that same thread in hemmed in situations in other words when you’re surrounded and you’re you’re under the bad situation you must resort to strategy and strategy doesn’t really mean strategy it means like tricks or deceptions so you’ve you’ve given up you’ve you’ve you’ve given up your position the person is dominating you now and exactly what you’re saying is correct when someone has got you in that position either in an argument or a plan or a situation that you’re in or a relationship they’ve got you locked down stop fighting yep you it’s not going to work you’re they’ve got you if you continue to struggle you’re just going to wear yourself out you’re going to worse in the scenario stop and now you have to start thinking about a trick to get out of there some kind of a better tactic some kind of a deception something to get you out of there because going strength to strength isn’t going to do it they’re in a superior position you know sometimes you can tell someone’s doing that if you have them in a situation and they start actually using this tactic little stck uh little tricks uh one that I’ve been able to recognize is they do like some ad hominum [ __ ] argument they’ll start attacking something else you know yeah yeah of course but it’s all yeah if you if you kind of have a handle on the whole situation it’s real obvious yeah yeah and then he says in a desperate position you must fight now the difference here is now there’s a submission hold on you yeah no choice yeah you have to fight you’re going to fight or you’re going to tap yeah so you get that situation where it’s gone beyond just they’re secure and they’ve they’ve got you in a dominant position but now they’re actually going to kill you you have no choice the last level of settling now this is interesting there are roads which must not be followed armies which must not be attacked towns which must not be besieged positions which must not be contested commands of The Sovereign which must not be obeyed so it’s always interesting to me when you hear somebody that’s a military master mind and they’re saying that there are orders from their Sovereign that must not be obeyed and I think we’ve heard that and this is something that people aren’t familiar with the military or aren’t familiar with military history they think everyone just follows orders follows orders follows orders but Napoleon we’ve heard say it sunsu we’ve heard say it we’ve heard these repeated things where people say you know what that’s the wrong order and I’m not going to do it and it’s interesting too the other dichotomy is all these people talk about the necessity of discipline and inherit and discipline is absolutely the following of orders but as much of as stringent as I am about discipline if I’m I I want my guys to question my orders I want them to say hey wait a second why is Joo making us do this he’s he’s wrong I don’t want them just obeying me blindly mhm is you don’t want your team obeying you blindly you don’t want that you want them to be thinking back to the book The Art of War teaches us to rely not on the likelihood of the enemies not coming but on our own Readiness to receive him not on the chance of his not attacking but rather on the fact that we have made our position unsalable so what that is again he’s putting the the ponderance of the outcome not on what the enemy does but on what you do it’s not what happens it’s not what happens to you in your life it’s what you do it’s what you prepare for it’s your own Readiness that’s going to affect the outcome not the chance of what the enemy has done done it’s how have you made your position how have you set yourself up how have you prepared how have you trained how have you worked that’s where the outcome comes from not what the world does to you but what you do to the world there are five dangerous faults which may affect a general one recklessness which leads to destruction two cowardice which leads to capture so those two you got one guy that’s a maniac that doesn’t care is going to go get after it he’s going to die you got someone else that’s a coward he’s going to get captured mhm three a hasty temper that can be provoked by insults dangerous a delicacy of honor that is sensitive to shame sort of the same thing and in over solicitude for his men which exposes him to worry and trouble in over solicitude that’s basically you over affectionate you care about the men so much right right that exposes you to worry and trouble these are the five besetting sins of a general ruinous to the conquer ruinous to the conduct of War some things to watch out for and it’s interesting you know obviously the one that’s that’s I guess the most controversial to me is that over solicitude for his men which exposes him to worry and trouble because you know in the modern military you know he was dealing with conscripts so even it’s interesting even conscripts back then he’s saying you could get too affectionate with your conscripts mhm and now we have brothers and so you’re going to you’re going to care about your guys you’re going to care about your guys more than anything else in the world but what you have to counter that with is not hey I’m not going to care about them no it’s I’m going to make sure I do everything I can to keep them safe yeah yeah I think um like you know how in a lot of companies they discourage fraternizing with you know your co-workers so I used to work in the nightclub industry where you know from time to time people would hook up so what that can result in is is um you know people who are too focused on the relationship between each other versus their job oh yeah so I this is a total assumption but maybe that’s what he’s talking about no that’s exactly what he’s talking about that’s exactly what he’s talking about and but if you take that into the military scenario it’s you know you like I said you’re going to care about your guys so much and you have to counter that with the fact that you have a Duty right and you have you have a a job yeah and that everybody on your team like when you’re in the SEAL Teams you all know the risk yeah everybody knows the risk everybody knows that when you go on an operation it might be your last operation you get hit with an ID you get shot you get mortared you get blown up I mean everybody accepts that risk yeah and that therefore as a leader you know you’re not imposing that risk upon them they volunteered for that risk and I think that’s what allows a modern military commander to to say hey I I love these guys but they all know what they signed up for there’s going to be risk here and we got a job to do as opposed to hey I love these guys they don’t want to be here and I’m going to send them to their deaths that would not that would be a different scenario a harder scenario yeah or you got close let’s say you know you’re you’re in command of you know 10 guys five of those guys are your best friends and you get too attached in the sense that you you have a a mission that you have to do a dangerous one but you’re like hey I’m not going to send those five guys because they’re going to be at risk I want to keep them safe you know so I don’t want to send them there so the other five guys go rather than the 10 and you know messes up your whole your whole job which oddly enough I always send like the guys I loved into the worst scenarios all my brothers they would be lining up and saying I’m going I’m going it was fired up see yeah I mean you’re obviously a very specific type of person and your guys probably are too I would imagine um but still it you’re still exercising that discipline between you know them potentially going to their death and that job you guys have to do so you’re you’re thinking of it in a smarter way you know what’s interesting I just thought of this like if a guy got in trouble for whatever reason when we were over on deployment MH whenever I was on deployment in combat if a guy got in trouble you know what their punishment would be you’re not allowed to go on a mission I know so so that just tells you what kind of an attitude you know the guys that we’re working with is like oh you can’t go on these next three missions you guys are angry yeah they’re hurt CU they they they realize they’re letting their buddies down and if something goes wrong and they’re not there it’s a nightmare yeah and their their their Duty their job is is it’s part of them you know where I I was listening to this thing where he was talking about this the Amish Amish people right and they’re really into work you know hard work and stuff so one of the punishments for the kids would be you’re not allowed to work yeah that’s the same same idea right there yeah same thing yeah Meanwhile my kids I got to beat them senseless to get them do any work just kidding just kidding but I guarantee they’re not working as hard as some Amish kid out in the field or putting up buildings with the wood nails that they do I mean that’s awesome yeah the work is is obviously part of their IDE identity you know so like you know it’s certain things people let’s say quote unquote normal people might find like like exercise for example like if so if let’s say you’re just an average person who’s like man I got to I’m going to make a New Year’s resolution I’m going to lose some weight or whatever I’m going to get a trainer it’s hard for them it’s work for them right so if the trainer is like hey today’s rest day they’ll be like oh sweet you know but then you take you for example like how you’re were saying your wife is like hey maybe don’t go to Jiu-Jitsu today you’re all piss yeah you know so it’s the exact opposite but so that’s kind of the the scenario when it when it’s ingrained in you and it’s and it starts to become part of your identity work or not work you want to you want to get that done yeah that’s interesting how those those embedded feelings yeah develop in your life but what an awesome deal like if you think about that we would actually if we had to punish our guys we’d punish them by saying you can’t go on two missions that’s perfect and they’d be angry be bumed they be let down they’ like help everyone get ready and they’d stand there when everyone was leaving and learn their lesson for sure Hur them hurt them all right next when the enemy is close at hand and remains quiet he is relying on the natural strength of his position this is a good one so when you when you’re when you’re in Jiu-Jitsu when someone for instance pulls guard real quick you know they’ve got a good guard yeah you know when someone’s like all standing up and and all upright and reaching for your collar while you’re standing you know they got some Judo going on so it’s funny how uh when when people have a dominant position they’ll lean towards it yeah if his place of encampment is easy of access he is tendering a bait so if it looks if it looks too good to be true it’s too good to be true you got to watch watch that when there is much running about it means that the critical moment has come when some are seem advancing and some retreating it is a lure when soldiers stand leaning on their Spears they are faint from want of food if those who are sent to draw water Begin by drinking themselves the Army is suffering from thirst if the enemy sees an advantage to be gain and makes no effort to secure it the soldiers are exhausted if Birds gather on any spot it is unoccupied if there is disturbance in the camp the General’s Authority is weak if the banners and flags are shifted about sedition is a foot when an army feeds its horses with grain and kills its cattle for food and when the men do not not hang their cooking pots over the campfires showing that they will not return to their tents you may know that they are determined to fight to the death the sight of men Whispering together in small knots and speaking in subdued tones points to dissatisfaction amongst the rank and file now all those right there what I really like about those cuz some of them obviously are a little bit archaic you know people on their Spears people uh not putting out their cooking pots those aren’t things that we’re going to see today but what’s so key about this is how observing how people act can tell you much more if you’re paying attention to it yeah you know you see people talking amongst themselves in small group there’s a problem going on yep you know th those are the kind of things that you got to be aware of as a especially as a leader when you’re in a leadership position and you you see and you look and you watch and you listen cuz I see some people some leaders they get isolated from the troops they get isolated from the situation they get isolated from the enemy they’re not reading what’s happening so you’ve got to have this awareness and the sensitivity right it’s a sensitivity it’s a sick sense of hey something’s not right here and what are you picking that up from y yeah you know when you walk in a room everyone’s all talking or you see in from a distance people are talking and then when you either walk by or you join them they oh they they happen to be done talking every single time that’s not going to be a good sign no they’re talking about you back to the book He Who exercises no forethought but makes light of his opponents is sure to be captured by them so when you’re saying oh we don’t have nothing to fear here we can take these guys we can win that contract we can beat the opponent we can win that’s when you’re going to be taken down if soldiers are punished before they have grown attached to you they will not prove submissive and unless submissive they will be practically useless if when the soldiers have become attached to you punishments are not enforced they will still be useless therefore soldiers must be treated in the first instance with Humanity but kept under control by means of iron discipline this is a certain road to Victory if in training soldiers commands are habitually enforced the Army will be well disciplined so now you do realize that sunsu 2 500 years ago was leading humans and if you came out of the gate before they knew you and you treated them bad they were never going to work for you they were never going to submit to what you want to do M and once they were attached to you if you had punishments and now you had built enough respect and then you said you were going to punish them for something that they did you you set a certain standard and then you don’t hold it they’re going to be equally useless yeah inconsistent consisteny firmly believe in if if in training solders commands are habitually enforced the Army will be well disciplined you got to stay consistent and you got to remember that you’re dealing with humans when common soldiers are too strong and their officers are too weak the result is insubordination and this is something that I saw a couple times in my career where I had a guy that worked for me who was a tough guy this happened a couple times just a badass guy super tough Beast hardcore go-getter and when they work for me man I loved them and they did anything I would tell them to go you know run through a brick wall they would start running and they would run through the brick wall they’d figure it out they’d get through that thing super hard and then uh one guy like I went to another team and he went on another deployment and got sent home from deployment because he was just too much to handle and hisort he didn’t IAL talk to about it he goes ah my officers were weak he literally said my officers were weak and so here is is like a a caged animal that if you don’t if he doesn’t know who who the boss is and he doesn’t respect the boss he’s not going to listen to you he he he was the alpha male right yeah and when he was the alpha male he was doing whatever he wanted he wasn’t listening to these people that were in charge of him yeah what is that like a like a mix of like he doesn’t I don’t want to say look up to him but there’s a sense of that right where if if if your leader is you look up you have that kind of ingrain respect and then not to mention on top of that you don’t fear any real consequences from him cuz like you know he’s kind of weak I can take whatever he can dish out kind of thing so it’s both of those you think yeah oh yeah yeah yeah this one guy that that this happened with I taught him Jiu-Jitsu and he he was excited about it in a way that I’ve never seen anyone excited like super happy about knowing that you could choke people and and he would get into fights in the civilian world and come and give me these full debriefs and ask me for like pointers and judgment and that was you know a warrior that liked to fight and he found out that you could grab people and then submit them he was super excited about it like a little kid and I always say that that’s kind of the the risk you run with teaching people jj2 cuz it is like I’m going it’s a superpower essentially because you don’t have to learn that much for it to be effective in this huge way so you know like kind of like what is it Superman with great power comes great responsibility yeah yeah goes on to say when the officers are too strong and the common soldiers too weak the result is collapse so when you put the super hardcore guy over that can’t modulate his his leadership he can’t back off and build people up before he starts to smash them you’re going to get collaps and that’s something you definitely got to look out for it if especially if you’re a super strong leader and you come and take over a team that’s been led by somebody that’s weak there’s a chance that the players in the team are weak and now you got to come in there you got to build them up before you let loose your vicious leadership power right you can’t just come in there with the Iron Fist and start dropping hammers no you need to say hey guys all right let’s go let’s build this team up then you can you can escalate your own Force as your subordinates grow and become powerful themselves but you don’t want there to be a huge gap between your power yeah there and theirs because they won’t they won’t develop into it they’ll just be in the shadow they won’t grow in the shadow you got to come down and let some light get to them and let them grow right when the general is weak and without Authority when his orders are not clear clear and distinct when there are no fixed duties assigned to officers and men and the ranks are formed in a sloly halfhazard manner the result is utter disorganization pretty clear if fighting is sure to result in Victory then you must fight even though the ruler forbid it if fighting will not result in Victory then you must not fight even at the ruler’s bidding once again disobeying the chain of command Sun Sue himself disobeying the chain of command this is a big one the general who advances without coveting Fame and Retreats without fearing disgrace whose only thought is to protect his country and do good service for his Sovereign is the Jewel of the Kingdom so that guy that’s not doing this to get famous that’s not doing this for awards that’s not doing this to get promoted he not being brave to be promoted he’s doing this to protect the country or to carry out the mission not doing it for Glory and furthermore the same person can Retreat without feeling like a disgrace that means they’re going to protect their people without going oh we can’t we can’t fall back this person is the Jewel of the Kingdom The Jewel of the kingdom and it’s beautiful when you work for people like that yeah that what they’re trying to do is they’re trying to do good they’re trying to do their mission they’re trying to do good for the country they’re trying to do good for the team they’re trying to do good for the business that’s what they’re trying to do they’re not trying to get promoted they’re not trying to get an award they’re not trying to get a good uh Fitness report or a good evaluation they’re trying to do a good job and that’s why when people ask me a lot you know oh I’ve got this boss that wants to get the credit for everything give it to him yeah give it to them let them look good don’t do it for Don’t Do It For Your Glory give that Glory away it feels good to give Glory away Give It Away bro I used I told you I used to work in the nightclub right industry back when I was young and kind of the protocol would be to you know we we’d work or whatever and the bartenders would give us tips like you know like a little tips right so at the end of the week you’d be kind of pulled right and and we’d get some tips at the end of the week it’s cool whatever and um so my boss it was back when I first started my bought the head door guy right he was at the end of the week he called his own little meeting with us we’re like all right so he kind of goes over some stuff I don’t even know what it was and um and he bust at the end he’s like um hey guys uh so yeah we we have tips um so what I did was you know hey you guys are doing a great job so what I did was I I I took my tips and I gave it to you guys and he kind of had this look on his face looking at us as if he needed us to be like wow that was so great but you know when the look is so transparent he’s like so I was like this guy is like so disingenuous you know like he he wanted the credit and he want us to be like oh thank you thank you you know it wasn’t that much by the way yeah you know $14 each if that cuz we got to divide it anyway but yeah that was like it was a clear example of that very thing right there you can tell giving us the tips I know why you did that yeah you know okay you lost 14 my youngest daughter she does Good Deeds for the sole purpose of increasing birthday present Christmas present doesn’t that kind of go into a different strategy altogether though you know but it’s pretty it’s pretty uh cute when you see the six-year-old like Daddy I decided it would be really great if I picked up your socks right wait since my birthday is coming right but that’s a that’s another Tac it’s like it’s called reciprocal something like when you do something and then you expect something back yeah yeah but what that it’s effective um har creationist used to do it they’d be like you know what hey hey um you know what whatever their message is and they’d be like hey take this free gift and they give you like I don’t know a flower or a book or something and they know that that’ll leave you the typical person they’d leave them with a feeling of dang like I kind of owe this person he he was so nice to me I can’t just walk off and be a dick you know so I’ll give you five bucks or I don’t know a dollar yeah especially when you recognize they’re doing it in fact you do yourself a disservice to fall for it cuz they’re going to keep doing it you know it’s basically guilting someone in to do something but it’s called ah reciproc reciproc I don’t know something reciprocal something well I guess we’ll look that up and figure it out later otherwise we’ll just call it reciprocal something yeah all right now here we go this is speaking of kids this is awesome regard your soldiers as your children and they will follow you into the deepest valleys look on them as your own beloved sons and they will stand by you even unto death completely true statement m completely true statement if however you are indulgent but unable to make your Authority felt kindhearted but unable to enforce your commands and incapable moreover of quelling disorder then your soldiers must be likened to spoiled children they are useless for any practical purpose I think that speaks for itself if you are so lenient with your troops when they say indulgent that’s what they mean they mean uh like super lenient yeah when you’re lenient with your troops when you can’t make your Authority felt when you’re super kindhearted you’re unable to enforce your commands all those things you’re going to end up with spoiled little kids for Troopers and they’re not they’re going to be worthless I got a little saying about kids lay it on me if you if you’re helping them you’re hurting them think about it if you’re helping them you’re hurting them yeah you want me to tie your shoe tie yourself because what that when they tie their shoes that literally uh trains their fine motor skills yeah if you want them you know if they want a glass of water go get your own glass of water right they want help moving you know something across the hallway you move it across the hallway if you’re helping your kids you’re hurting your kids right and I could take it one step further and say if you’re hurting your kids you’re helping your kids but I’m not going to do that it’s too far too far you’re but really I do think about that when your kids ask you for something you got to say okay is this something they can do themselves even if it’s a struggle form even if it’s a challenge form I mean for a while my daughter was you know we’re late for school and oh can you just tie my shoes no I can’t tie your shoes you can tie your shoes right and that’s when they work on their fine motor skills and that’s when they learn that they can that they have to get the skill and they become more self-reliant yeah yeah fully and and obviously I’m not going to wage some kind of semantical battle with you or nothing like that but it depends on what you mean by help so that and I talked about this before where you have systemic help and direct help so systemic help is exactly what you’re doing tie your own shoes how how about you get how about I teach you to tie your shoes or how about I prepare you for this shoe tying world that you’re about to Embark in that’s systemic help that’s the real help in my opinion same thing like a homeless person you give a homeless person a dollar that’s direct help that doesn’t help that’s hurting them as he would say so what is that called direct help direct so don’t give your children direct help direct help systemic help you your job is to prepare kids to do everything ideally look that’s in a perfect world everything on their own by the time they well and you actually can prepare a human to do everything on their own because at least you prepare them to face a challenge research how to overcome it practice overcoming it and then overcome it so is if you teach them if you if you teach them you know you say you can give them a fish or you can teach them how to fish you can teach them to learn how to fish on their own that’s what you really want to do yes put that on a t-shirt yeah that’s it that’s absolutely correct right so if you go the more systemic make it you you could probably end up breaking it down into maybe three things and you know whatever those things are I know they’re going to have something to do with how to think how to manage your emotions how to adapt like a lot of the they’re real basic things that are going to in one way or another apply to everything y it’s interesting that you go from this isn’t back in the book I went back to the conversation back to the book then it’s funny how you’re you’re talking about sunsu or a war and we’re talking about kids we’re talking about business talking about nightclubs yeah man talking about jiujitsu all right back to the book now for real those who are called skillful leaders of old knew how to drive a wedge between the enemy’s front and rear to prevent cooperation between his large and small divisions to hinder the good troops from rescuing the bad the officers from rallying their men so when you are looking at your opponent what can you do to split him up what can you do to interfere with what they’re trying to make happen that’s a skill set in its own so instead of worrying about attacking you I’m worrying about I’m focused on dispersing you or splitting you up instead of worrying about attacking you I’m worried about hindering people from helping you it’s a it’s a different way of thinking about waging a battle instead of thinking about the Battle itself what other ways are there to go about this more creatively rapidity is the essence of War take advantage of the army of the enemy’s unreadiness make your way by unexpected routes and attack unguarded spots now here we go back to the human side of things carefully study the well-being of your men and do not overx them concentrate your energy and hoard your strength keep your army continually on the move and devise unfathomable PA plans now this is interesting throw your soldiers into positions whence There Is No Escape and they will prefer to fight they will prefer death to flight officers and Men alike will put forth their utmost strength at the critical moment the leader of an army acts like one who has climbed up a height and then kicks away the ladder behind him he carries his men deep into hostile territory before he shows his hand he burns his boats and breaks his cooking pots that’s the second time we’ve heard about those cooking pots obviously that that that meant something back in the day that meant is on we’re not coming back we’re not no need for dinner tonight right but that’s an attitude to have and it’s interesting you know this is this is somewhat contradictory to some of what the other things that he said in the book you know if the if the enemy is strong fade away and now he’s saying put your soldiers in a position where there’s no Escape so that’s contrary but I I I understand I think I understand or the way I translate that is if you have to put your if you have to accomplish something very challenging and you have no choice step into it step into it kick away the ladder break your cooking pots and let the guys know we’re not coming back from this we have what one choice and that’s Victory all in thus or sorry without waiting to be marshaled the soldiers will be constantly on the key Kiva which means uh who goes which means on watch Kiva without waiting this is the important part without waiting to be asked they will do your will without restriction they will be faithful without giving orders they can be trusted so that you get the pure decentralized command where where without waiting to be asked to do something they’re going to do it that’s what you want your Troopers to do mhm they will do your will without restrict rtion they will be faithful you don’t have to hold on to them you don’t have to give them commands you don’t have to give them orders they’re going to be faithful to you without giving orders they can be trusted that’s true decentralized command that’s what you want and then to wrap this one up unhappy is the fate of one who tries to win his battles and succeed in his attacks without cultivating the spirit of Enterprise meaning we want everyone to think and we want everybody to be on the same page move not unless you see an advantage use not your troops unless there is something to be gained fight not unless the position is critical again that’s contrary to what what I just talked about but I think the reason he said that is cuz sometimes you have to sometimes you get into a decisive situation you have to fight you have to win no ruler should put troops into the field merely to gratify his own spleen and spleen when he says that that used to be where people thought that the seat of emotion was so your emotion came from your spleen so he’s saying what you’ve been saying the whole night no ruler should put troops in the field merely to gratify his own emotions mhm and that emotion could be anything it could be Pride it could be irritation could be anything no General should fight a battle simply out of peak and that’s that’s pride and ego if it is to your advantage to make a forward move make a forward move if not stay where you are such is the Art of War obviously so much to be learned from the past from the Ancients and also it’s so accessible and there’s so many lessons to be learned there lessons that if you learn their mistakes that you don’t have to make s all you have to do is open a book and open your mind and you’ll be there and I think we can now go to questions from the interwebs let’s do it but before that mhm internet stuff um go to on it com /jo and why do you want to do that get some 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missed some factors anxiety low confidence low IQ or IQ perfectionism and often a failure to prioritize yeah so this is a a question from the last podcast and this guy just sent me this tweet and I thought it was a good assessment right because I’m not an overthinker and maybe this guy is and sorry I don’t have his Twitter call sign there but um he maybe he’s an overthinker so he kind of knew about it and if you don’t remember the question you know it’s someone that overthinks things they get analysis paralysis right they just start thinking and thinking and thinking and they’re frozen from their own thoughts too many thoughts and so I thought these were good little factors here and basically to me it all boils down to actually fear CU if you’re thinking then you’re not taking action and if you’re not taking action then there’s no consequence and if there’s no consequence then there’s nothing to be afraid of so I think that the overthinking can be an excuse for actual fear and same thing with like Oh I’m a perfectionist that’s also fear it’s fear of not being perfect then on top of that low confidence well if you have low confidence guess what you’re afraid your confidence is low you’re not sure yourself so you sit around and think about doing it instead of actually doing it and then anxiety well yeah anxiety actually is fear you’re afraid to do something and then IQ now that might be I guess maybe someone has a high IQ and therefore they’re thinking a lot and maybe that’s not fear but let me ask you a question if you’re so smart then why aren’t you taking action and making something happen so you got a big IQ that’s no excuse to sit around and overthink things especially because if you’re so smart why can’t you come up with a quick solution why can’t you realize that overthinking is actually causing the problem harm it’s not moving the problem forward M so quit thinking so much and take action next question okay he’s he’s talking about the Tim Ferris the video that was the extension of your Tim Ferris interview popular one about you talking about martial artists or martial arts what of the best martial arts um if you haven’t seen that one you can look it up um so he says with respect to the above mentioned video about your views on real martial arts I have one quick question you said that you came to your conclusion based on a sparring match between yourself and one of your fellow Navy Seals was the match between yourself and the traditional martial arts with 20 years experience a friendly sparring match typical in training where he was pulling his punches um and stri and strikes or was he attacking you with full force from my observation Jiu-Jitsu guys collect some head shot while going in for a takedown and if a traditional karate karate practitioner doesn’t hold back would this have some devastating effects in the long run similar to what pro football players experience I would love to get your take on this someone who has Real World Experience okay so first of all I didn’t come to a conclusion based on that one event I mean that event influenced my thoughts today but even right now I don’t have a conclusion someone could show me something today it’s possible that I go wow that worked really well I never thought of that and that’s new that now trumps everything else it could happen mhm not likely though uh my mind is still open but that’s not likely I’ve seen a lot now in that particular scenario he was usually he wasn’t using a striking art a traditional striking art he was using a traditional grappling art actually iido and so he he was grappling with me he wasn’t throwing punches at me but it doesn’t matter because I have sparred and or fought with plenty of people over the years that were absolutely trying to knock me out no doubt about it and the fact of the matter is it doesn’t work um even where this guy above like for instance this guy in the question he says if a traditional karate practitioner doesn’t hold back it would have the same devastating effect in the long run similar to what pro football players experience that statement actually defeats itself because if you watch a football game those guys get hit in the head hundred times during a football game and how often do they get actually knocked unconscious not very often if you multiply whatever 10 players per side that are actually banging heads times however he plays you know you’re talking about thousand Mo you know probably more than a thousand head- onhe head contacts in a football game and there might be one knockout in a game sometimes there’s no Knockouts in a game yeah typically none no yeah so the fact of the matter is hitting someone in the head is not a guaranteed Knockout by any stretch of the imagination in fact it rarely occurs it actually rarely occurs in boxing where two guys are trained to do that so it’s hard to knock somebody out and it’s the same thing in if you watch UFC especially the early UFC’s this was proven over and over again that yeah the the grappler is going to take some hits on the way inh but they’re going to get in and they’re going to take the person down and of of course do you have a puncher’s chance of course you do there’s a very small chance that when you shoot it on somebody they time a knee or they time a punch and it happens to hit you right in the spot that knocks you out it does happen it happens in UFC occasionally if you look at the number of takedowns to the number of Knockouts that happen while all the takedown is going on it’s not a big number at all yes correct so you don’t want to rely on that as your formation of self-defense correct at all now when things evolved eventually to where the strikers were wrestlers too and you got guys like Chuck and you got Tito and you got Randy where it wasn’t their striking that was preventing the takedown it was cuz they were badass wrestlers that’s what was stopping the takedown had nothing to do with the way they punched yeah so you really can’t count on striking to stop a Grappler that is not a a good plan right to say hey I’m going to get so good at striking that I’m going to stop a Grappler that is not a good plan what you have to do is learn to Grapple you have to learn to wrestle you have to learn Jiu-Jitsu and and the opposite side of that is you can’t count on grappling to take down a striker because that person might know how to wrestle yeah and therefore you need to know how to strike so it goes back to what I say all the time you got to know how to Grapple you got to know how to strike right yeah and if he’s um he’s talking he says a traditional karate practitioner traditional so and I’m assuming that the only understanding I have is of traditional is he doesn’t do karate and Jiu-Jitsu he’s not a mixed martial artist he just knows karate soost ground yes and I’ve taken Kate before and there was no takedown defense there was no takedowns there was no functioning in any capacity on the ground and so yeah and how you say like okay over the long term okay you’re going to have head trauma and Lasting damage if if you take sustained yeah head trauma repetitive over the years really we’re worried about the next 42 seconds of a fight that’s about to happen not the next three decades of my life where you’re going to see me break down cuz I took some head trauma exactly right so you’d have to get let’s say that for the example of this question that your experience with this guy he was a karate guy and he was going full speed and and he didn’t knock you out we’ll just assume that he didn’t knock you out you would have to go through I’m just going to restate that is a very safe assumption to assume that the karate guy was not able to knock me out that I was able to come in you know uh uh stand there good get at a good distance fake him with my hands touch his face a couple times he throws a big punch I do a double Leg Takedown he’s on his back it’s game over yeah and by the way go watch any YouTube video of you know Jiu-Jitsu versus whatever right and it’s the same outcome every single time uh you know occasionally they’ll be one with a lot of hits because it’s the it’s the chance knockout or the chance of something else happen yeah but 99% of the time yeah it’s double Leg Takedown slam on the ground game over yeah sorry look at look at uh who did Randy coacher fight that pro boxer Tony James Tony oh yeah yeah I mean was was that exactly here’s a a a worldclass boxer professional boxer right what did Randy do got inside took him down game over oh why didn’t he knock him out cuz you can’t right you can’t just do you can’t just knock people out yeah fully and and that’s not to mention I’m not I mean I’m going to mention it but that it is not to mention that especially if you if you practice the the more self-defense like if it’s heavily self-defense oriented Jiu-Jitsu one of the first things you learn is distance management one of the first things you learn it’s like you almost can’t get past that element of it so you will take hits of course maybe you’ll take a hit to the top of your head shoulders or whatever but yeah significant strikes to anything to Warrant how it’s stated here in the question um long-term term damage compared to football players you back to your situation you going with this guy let’s say he did go full speed you would have to do probably 10 to 15 bouts of that every single day for a long time yeah for you to have any sustained damage and then so maybe if this guy’s taking the long-term strategic view that he’s going to continue to spar me and hit me in the head until I’m 70 years old fistic disease and maybe I’m saying maybe so because if he’s a traditional guy he doesn’t know how to take manage the takedown so knowing how to manage the taked down makes your strikes more effective you don’t have that your strikes are not effective so okay you take one hit let’s say let’s say you take five hits right you controlling the fight as much as Jiu-Jitsu does even if you’re not that high level versus the guy who doesn’t know Jiu-Jitsu way outweighs this grossly to the point that these things are aside from the puncher chance ineffective and I think UFC one two three you know as before people start to get hit to the whole Jiu-Jitsu thing but before people knew Jiu-Jitsu they just knew their other stuff that was the testing ground that was the whole reason UFC was invented by the way yeah and that’s why those first UFC’s are awesome yeah you you get to see these 250 and0 bare knuckle kickboxer gu strong you know go in there with real quote unquote real fighting experience against a way smaller Grappler Jiu-Jitsu guy and lose in fact this is to go one step further if you watch UFC 2 Pat Smith who’s he was one of my favorite guys by the way when I was watching he was a kickboxer he was badass guy 210 solid wrecking guys makes it to the finals against hoist Gracie and hoist Gracie didn’t tap him out or he tapped him out but not with a submission hold he tapped him due to strikes MH so a Grappler guy pounded out like you know a striker guy um no submissions it was all punches it was nowadays no one would ever tap to that now but I’m just saying yeah only because they know if you don’t know you just think you’re dead yeah yeah one guy like I said before one guy tapped because he was claustrophobic he just got mounted but nonetheless um yeah you it’s it’s hard to to Really reconcile really what this question I don’t know if it’s implying anything well it’s definitely implying that this guy that I was going against was like holding back right and that might have you know told a different tail but I’ve been against countless literally countless of guys have sparred against me trying to knock me out whether they’re traditional martial artists whether they’re just countless guys yeah and it’s hard to knock somebody out yeah and I don’t I don’t know who has the question of course I’m not going to you know hate on the question or nothing like that but speaking from experience this sounds like the exact question that inexperienced people have you know people who are no this is coming most likely from somebody that’s been heavily involved in traditional martial arts and has been told that hey don’t worry about somebody trying to take you down cuz if you just hit them here and here they’ll fall and you’ll win that’s exactly what I’m talking about that’s not that’s not good that’s sort of why I put this in here you know just to make sure that um that they realize that hey you shouldn’t you should actually pay attention to what else is going on in the world instead of staying in like hey just this one little traditional martial art yeah and it’s the same thing with if you’re just doing Jiu-Jitsu and we’re I got this in here later there’s another question about this but I mean I I don’t tell people just train Jiu-Jitsu I tell them train Jiu-Jitsu trange wrestling train boxing train Muay Thai and you know what when you get done with all that and you have a good base train kmaa and then you you know what do realistic situations by the way you should learn how to shoot a gun and by the way you should be in good shape do everything yeah yeah y agreed one answer is not the answer yeah t-shirt next question every time we say something like that like one answer is not the answer which I must admit sounds pretty cool sounds pretty dope yeah but we’ll get everyone’s going to say put that on a T-shirt and then I have to refer to Ekko to see if he’s going to put it on a t-shirt y we’ll see how that works out all right next question is it better to reveal too much information or too little information both in personal life and Leadership okay so there’s two sides to this not just the personal and the business side but in in the business side there’s two pieces really there’s operational and planning right so if you’ve got something that you’re planning for whether you’re in a company and you’re trying to plan a new strategy for the next quarter the next year or the next company that you’re going to open or the new Co whatever you’re going to do there’s that and you’re planning that then I want to and and in the military if you’re planning an operation you’re putting together a mission that you’re going to go do in both those situations I give everyone all the information that I have absolutely I don’t I let them know everything that I know so that they can weigh everything as much as I weigh in fact I want them to toil with the with the information more than I do so that I can kind of get a fresher look at it when I come in so and I think I do and I did see people that would hold back information in those situations leaders that would hold back information why would they do that because they’re insecure because knowledge gives you power power and you use that knowledge to say you come in and ekko’s got a good plan put together and I go yeah but you got to think about this right here and you just say well I didn’t know that but it gives me a little bit of Leverage it gives me a little bit of power that’s ridiculous so when it comes to planning and operations and conducting business and planning missions man share all the information you’ve got in your organization out of your organization so everybody has the knowledge M that’s answer number one then we get to the information regarding the leadership of humans and of course you hear words like transparency and we got to be honest and you hear those things getting thrown around and and of course no one’s going to argue with them right no one’s going to argue and say Hey you shouldn’t be honest right no one’s going to say you shouldn’t be transparent right but the fact of the matter is you cannot always share all the information all the time when it comes to Leading people you can’t do it and here’s the problem of why you can’t do it because people can’t always handle the truth and when you give them the truth they might have a bunch of different reactions right some of those reactions being anger and defensiveness so in other words if I tell someone hey I’m putting this other person in charge because I don’t think you’re smart enough to figure out the solution yeah that’s my true statement I’m going to be honest with you I don’t think you’re you’re smart what does that do how does that affect the mission does it move us closer to the goal are you is that person now going to be really supportive of me and work hard knowing that I think they’re stupid the answer is of course not I mean another example is what if you think that your boss’s plan is terrible so you go in there and say hey your boss is terrible your your plan that you came up with is awful now there might be some bosses that are secure in their leadership and they’re secure with and they go oh man why do you think that here break it down for me that’s cool but a lot of bosses are going to be insulted by that a lot of bosses you’re going to hurt their ego and instead of listening to their to the idea that you have instead they’re going to be angered by it they’re going to turn it off they’re going to turn off their minds they’re going to be mad at you they’re not going to listen to you anymore because the way you came across so you would have been better off not being quote unquote honest and not sharing all the information you would have been better off slowly trying to take the plan that he came up with and maybe maneuver on it or maybe say hey boss I don’t know if that’s going to work because of this thing over here but you be tactful and there’s a million examples we could talk of like that and so when it comes to Leading people not operations not planning missions but it comes to Leading people you need to think think about what you’re saying think about how it’s going to impact the team think about how it’s going to impact the relationships up and down the chain of command think about how it’s going to impact the mission because if you’re a good leader anywhere on that anywhere in that chain of command if you’re a good leader the most important thing to you should be achieving the mission so if your honesty is actually creating adversarial relationships inside your team what good are you doing moving the mission forward the answer is you’re not so I’m not telling you to be dishonest but I’m telling you to think and it’s the same thing in your personal life you got to think about what you’re saying you got to think about your wife’s perspective or your husband’s perspective or your kids perspective or your friends perspective how is what I’m about to say going to affect them long term you got to be measured now you might give them a little hint of something and then see how they react and maybe you could be a little bit more honest with them maybe you could throw some bait out there and see if they bite on it but you just don’t want to jump in or throw it out to where now you’ve created an adversarial relationship with your friend with your spouse with your kid because now they’re not listening to it’s even with your kids oh you got to be totally honest with your kids okay you know what totally honestly I don’t think you’re capable of being this level of an athlete right do they need to hear that when they’re 9 years old probably not so you just got to think you got to think and there’s ways to get that information across in attack iCal way in an indirect way so that it still manages to improve the person because I don’t want to have Echo come up with you come up with a bunch of bad ideas and all I do is say oh that’s a good idea that’s a good idea that’s a good I didn’t train you I didn’t improve you I want to say hey you know what that’s not bad what if we did this you know what I mean and so we move in the right direction we still have some mentorship going on but it’s indirect we still have some coaching going on but it’s indirect because I don’t want want to coach you and you don’t want to be coached by me even my son when I like tell him something in Jiu-Jitsu I’ve been doing Jiu-Jitsu for over 20 years with some of the best guys in the entire world literally MH and I’ll say hey Thor you need to scoot your hip a little bit more when you do that move and they go no you don’t really no actually you do but he’ll listen to Jeff he’ll listen to Dean actually he won’t actually I’ve heard him argue with both Jeff and Dean crazy maybe it was their approach yeah maybe they need to be a little more indirect with the young man and that kind of illustrates one of the many challenges with that um you know one of the simple but not easy things CU everyone’s different how you say throw something out there to see how they respond everyone’s going to respond different that’s the thing so it is kind of this feeling out process that’s you know I think that and I mentioned this before where you know some people they’ll be direct but people don’t really like them and then they they D kind of double down on it and say Hey you know I I speak the truth you know and like me for who I am or whatever so what you do when you do that when people do that is they render themsel ineffective in in situations now no one’s yeah exactly right and guess what no one’s inviting you to their party no one wants to be your friend you know you may or may not have gotten a divorce from it and it’s all because you CH essentially you just chose to be a dick look we all understand that certain things are insulting if you’re quote unquote too honest you know yeah everyone except you you know you’re the if you look around and no one wants to be around you that’s a problem yeah news flash you’re a jerk yes and and and people don’t follow jerks they really don’t yeah yes so it’s not it’s honesty is never an excuse to be a jerk to people yeah and and don’t mistake you know how people have this kind of misconception that speaking your mind is a good thing it’s not black and white you’re totally right don’t be like that’s what’s so crazy about this is like um people I think always have that feeling I mean I said it when I was talking you know people say oh of course honesty is you know the best thing you got to be honest and I would say that I am I am known as a person that is honest and a straight shooter and that’s great but at the same time like you just said said that doesn’t mean I run around and insults people right it means I’m a tactician you know what I it’s not honesty it’s t it’s being a tactician because this is something that can actually go too far as well um if if you’re constantly always telling everyone thing every all sugarcoated well now then no one respects your opinion either right you see what I’m saying if I just say oh Eko you did a great job with that video you did a great job with that video too you did great well what if you were producing junk videos bad example I need to tell you yeah I know it’s a rough example uh I would need to think of something that you didn’t do such high quality work Point taking No for sure but I’ve got to I’ve got to be honest with you and and if all I do is tell you hey it’s great it’s great it’s great it’s great it’s great it’s great you know that doesn’t help us what I need to say is hey man that’s an awesome video it’d be cool if you captured this angle too right or do you think it’d be possible to get this message across also and you’d say oh I can do anything you see how I just played drao you see how I did that yeah dang yeah like oh do you think it’s even possible to get this angle in there and you be like oh yeah I could make it come across strong dang I didn’t even know there was a fight yeah you didn’t fight I just had a little Victory up in here all right yeah so it’s not black and white you know or or like like everything it’s a balance it’s a balance it’s a dichotomy yes a dichotomy between telling the truth and being tactful yeah next question Joo how do you handle it when someone up the chain of command betrays trust like what is this like lying they lied to you well this could be this is a huge this is a huge spectrum of things so for for number one you just learned right you just learn something about someone’s character you now kind of know better what you’re dealing with now if this is a major situation you might have to immediately confront it and or go above them in the chain of command I mean if there’s lives at risk if there’s something morally wrong that is happening if there’s something illegal that’s happening that now you’re going to get wrapped into and that’s another decision you got to make if you’re not going to be wrapped into it then it’s a decision you got to make if you want to ruin this person’s life whatever that’s that’s a different decision that’s not this question we’d have to deal with that in a separate question are innocent people being hurt so if if it’s something like that lives at risk you know something morally wrong is happening something illegal is happening innocent people being hurt then you’re probably going to have to say something you’re going to have to say something now I will tell you this before you say something make sure all your ducks in a row make sure you have evidence don’t go off half coocked be ready because people that are deceitful like this they they they prepare they are ready for battle um to protect themselves and they don’t care what happen happens to other people M so you got to watch out for that now if it’s something really if it’s something minor you know if it’s something minor then that’s something that you log down in in the brain right something that you log down in the brain and um but it allows you to see person’s character and that means again it’s a minor infraction but it also means you got to watch yourself and you got to watch them a little bit more closely mhm you got to be careful because people like that they think they’re smarter than everyone else they think that they’re getting away with lies so they think they’re smarter and there’s like a little hint of sociopath yeah in there that they can get away with these lies and so you got to watch them you got to watch them carefully and and like I said it kind of goes back to that previous question because you don’t want to be a person that comes across as dishonest yourself and if people don’t think they can trust what you’re saying they’re not going to trust you with other things so if you know I’m not giving you good feedback because I’m too nice you’re not going to start you’re not going to respect my opinion anymore right so you know when you’re when you’re dealing with someone if someone comes to you and said again this is honesty versus Dishon honesty if you come to me and say hey what do you think of this plan I’m not going to say hey I think that’s a stupid plan I might say I don’t know if that’s how I do it I might try this approach right you’re just going to be diplomatic if you if I’m not going to say to you I don’t think you’re smart enough to figure this out I’m going to move you to a different division because I don’t think you’re smart enough to solve this problem I’m not going to say that I’m going to say you know what I need you on this other project over here that I think you’re going to be really knock this thing out of the park M now you’re going to know deep inside but it’s called tact and that’s what you have to use but back to the honesty or when person betrays your trust you’ve learned you’ve learned about their character if it’s a big thing you’re going to have to talk about it you’re going to have to tell somebody yeah if it’s a little thing you got to watch right K I think we just learned that vocabulary tonight who’s there watch yeah the you know how you say and you log it in your brain right log in your brain that okay they lied about that or oh all right you know and that I think you should constantly do that right and I think we all do that anyway that that’s really our thing that’s why and your brain has certain ways um just the way it’s wired like like First Impressions right that that’s usually a big thing they but really what’s really going on isn’t that the first impression is this has more weight specifically than you know other imp other Impressions that you get along the line it’s because let’s say you don’t let’s say I don’t know that much about you I don’t know really this is the first time I ever met you heard about you whatever your first impression it’s not that it’s so heavy it’s just it’s the only impression so it seems like everything if you’re ad dick to me okay you’re a dick in my mind you’re just a dick second day you’re not a dick you’re 50% dick which is that’s still a dick you know even if you’re 20% dick you’re like okay I like him but he’s still a dick you know so again my point is you’re always logging stuff in your brain what is this person what is this person now when it comes to someone who be betrayed your trust this doesn’t really count them out as far as trusting them because a lot of times the more time you spend with them the more experience you have with them you start to get a picture of okay he’ll betray my trust in this case in this type of situation it’s like if you have a friend who he would literally risk his life to save your life but at the same time he would probably hook up with your wife if he had the opportunity you know so there’s different kind of things so as you gain experience with people he is therefore risking his own life in that situation right sure of course but you start to get a picture of who the person is and I don’t have any friends like that thank yeah but but I do know what you’re saying there’s people that have different moral compass and moral values and so you’re judging them BAS on that right yeah so just be careful not to judge him based on that so again are judging them based on that yes yes fully but that’s part of like this big picture so because ultimately you want to get to the point and I’ve had this experience specifically in my life before where anyway you want to get to the point where you trust him yeah I trust him to be that person you know I know he’s not trustworthy in this but he’s trustworthy this so I yeah U his role in my life or in this company or whatever I know I I trust him to be him that therefore I won’t give him this task you trust them to be them yes exactly right trust the Scorpion to be the Scorpion trust the Frog to be the Frog yes and that comes with like the experience so if someone you know if it like you said if it’s a minor thing don’t go jump down his throat or just jump to this thing really just be like okay you know deal with it in your way but like I said log it in your brain and move forward what you know and keep your eyes open to things that you can trust them about so you get that full picture and I hate to say this and I’ve said it before I don’t have these massively high expectations of other human beings yeah I’m I hate to say it but I’m kind of anticipating that they’re telling me half truths yeah and yeah so don’t get these high expectations and expect that people are going to try and get one over on you yeah and then when you do get your core of people that you know are really truly trustworthy that’s awesome that might be three people in your life yeah yeah and that’s I I would say that that’s that’s fair you know I I think a lot of people are like that and I think everyone’s like that in one way or another you know and it’s a spectrum but I’ve been in a situation where someone say hey do you know this guy it’ll be like yeah yeah yeah I know him and they’ll be like yeah are you you’re friends with that guy like isn’t he hard to trust because of like this and I’ll say I don’t find him hard to trust I trust him to be him and just exactly how you’re saying you trust a scorpion to be a scorpion yeah you know scorpion can be relied upon for specific things and straight up can’t be relied upon for certain other things so again if you just keep your eyes open and you know don’t start Burning Bridges with a person if it’s this small thing as as time goes on you can start to get a feel of really who this person is in in the entirety and it might be beneficial in in the situation you’re in with them know your people I agree right next question here’s a strange one I have ongoing regret for never joining the military or police department and I’m not yet strong enough to consider changing careers now for financial reasons I also don’t know how to discuss this with my wife as we want to make some additions to the family soon I feel unfulfilled in this single aspect of my life it’s a strange feeling considering I have skyrocketed up the chain in my company so quickly so many would do anything to be where I find myself how you overcome your face or how do you overcome or face yourself knowing you’re holding back from a certain calling because I really do see it as a calling in some form I’m interested to hear from you I think this is pretty easy go join the reserves go join the reserves go in the Army Reserves go in the like every branch has some reserves where you’re going to do one week in a month you have to do boot camp that’ll be whatever it’s going to be 10 weeks 12 weeks 14 weeks depending on which branch you go into and then you do one week and a month and you do two weeks in the summer you you’ll understand what the military is about there’s actually a chance well first of all there’s a chance you’ll be deployed I mean when we were in Iraq you know when we deployed ratti my second deployment to Iraq the the unit that was there the 228 iron soldiers they were reserve unit out of Pennsylvania they were awesome and they’ve been in there for 14 months and they lost a lot of guys and they fought hard so it’s not like this reservice thing is is is a different class of soldier they’re soldiers for real they Marines for real and you may be going on deployment uh but what’s cool about it is most companies they will excuse you basically when you go in the reserves they’ll excuse you when you have time in fact I think it’s I was never in the reserves but I think you’re actually protected by the federal government from being fired because you’re serving in the reserves so I would definitely go and look into into the reserves because otherwise that feeling that you have I can only imagine it’s never going to go away I don’t know because I had that feeling that I wanted to join the military when I was four years old and I did it as soon as I turned 18 so I don’t you know I you know what I regret now is like I want to still be in you know so especially now with the fighting picking up over seas it’s uh you know that’s that’s the only thing that that I feel is damn I want to go back but if you never did it at all that’s a grinding feeling so go talk to a recruiter get in the reserves and you know what else in certain areas there’s definitely volunteer fire departments and you can volunteer as a fireman and you can volunteer as a policeman they have certain uh I don’t have no idea what state you’re from asking this question but there’s deputies you can get deputized you can go through a in San Diego they definitely have Reserve cops where you have to go to you have to go to the the police academy and you become a reserve cop so and with all that um you want to talk about it with your wife talk about it with your wife yeah you know you say you don’t know how to this isn’t the situation where you can be totally honest with her hey I always wanted to join the military I haven’t done it I feel like it’s something I really want to do here’s the options I want to go look at what do you think now you’re you’re marrying you’re married to a girl and you’re going to have kids it’s your military service will be harder on her than it is on you so she better be strong she better be tough and you know the the military wives out there I mean my wife when I was gone on deployment after deployment it’s it’s not easy I mean luckily she’s tough and she raised kids without me and she took care of household without me and she went to the hospital to visit my wounded guys and she went to the funerals of my guys were getting killed and she had to do that while I was gone on deployment and I was she was hearing from me once a week maybe so you’re going to put your family through a lot of stress now you might stress your family a lot by always having regret that they held you back that’s selfish but that’s true so I would just go look into it see what the options are talk about it with your wife there’s some really good benefits to it and also the final point is sometimes when you’re reservist you can decide that you want to go active duty maybe you love it maybe you say yeah this was my calling maybe your fourth day in boot camp where you haven’t slept you had your head shaved you’re tired you’re hungry the food is horrible and you say man this is what I’ve always wanted to do with my life and if that happens there’s options where you can now go active duty and and you can see how your wife dealt with it while you were gone and if she dealt with it well that’s great hey let’s make a career out of this and that’s a good option to do so there’s some I think you’re this is this is this is an easy day easy easy problem to take care of no Factor interesting next question Joo what’s your take on sport Jiu-Jitsu versus self-defense Jiu-Jitsu and can sport TR sport Jiu-Jitsu can it translate onto the street most schools are geared towards sport yeah so for anyone that’s listening that doesn’t do Jiu-Jitsu both of you that are out there that don’t do Jiu-Jitsu that are listening first of all do jiu-jitsu uh second of all so there’s there’s Jiu-Jitsu is rooted really in self-defense and like anything that gets put into a a a closed environment it starts to breed and become different and mutate and so jiujitsu in a way what they call what they now call Sport jiujitsu is Jiu-Jitsu that has been in this competition en environment in the Jiu-Jitsu sport competition environment so Jiu-Jitsu is a sport as well as self-defense it’s a sport with points and you can win on points and they have championships and it’s very competitive and it’s it’s pretty entertaining to watch if you know and understand the game but since it’s in this environment this closed environment it starts to mutate and that’s what’s happened so for instance there’s Maneuvers that you do in in sport jiujitsu that are so intricate and they’re so reliant on for instance riant on the ghee the Jiu-Jitsu uniform which is a a heavy fabric ghee and you can actually use parts of the ghee to choke people and you can use parts of the ghee to uh make a person off balance called a sweep and get on top you can literally take the lapel of their ghee and put it between their legs and wrap it around your leg and then grab the ghee there and it’s going to and then you just swing your hips and it’s going to pull them off balance now this is something you could literally never do in the street so that’s what they’re talking about when they’re talking about sport versus self-defense and they have this with other things I mean there’s sport shooting where they do certain and it’s it’s semi-realistic just like Jiu-Jitsu is semi-realistic when you go in a tournament it it somewhat simulates a street fight just like some shooting competitions somewhat simulate combat but they’re not exact and so the question is does the sport translate on the street and my answer to that is first of all yes it does not every move certainly and there’s absolutely moves that you would do in Jiu-Jitsu in a tournament that you would never do on the street now luckily anybody who’s good enough to do those advanced moves in a tournament is good enough that in the street they’re not going to need those moves you’re not going to need to do a reverse plada in the street you’re not going to need to do um donkey guard in the street Baron bolo right you’re not going to need to do Baron bolo in the street you’re just not going to need to do it if you’re fighting someone that’s good well then guess what I guess you did need it but you’re not going to come up against a person in the street that’s going to have a counter to your Baron bolo attack and you don’t have a ghee on so that’s not going to work I mean there are some nogee versions of that the bottom line is if you’re doing Jiu-Jitsu you’re definitely going to do very very well in a street fight now that being said that being said sometimes you know what you got to do you got to train Jiu-Jitsu for the street you gota you got to punch each other occasionally you got to say hey you know what let’s go live a little bit and we’ll do some maybe you put gloves on maybe you put MMA gloves on maybe just use open hands and you smack each other and you realize like oh when I’m on the bottom in the half guard where I feel super comfortable when I’m doing Jiu-Jitsu if I’m in a real fight I’m going to be getting headbutted or I’m going to be getting punched in the face and that’s not good so what do I do to get out of this um you know even mean the guard can be horrible on the bottom y um and you don’t want to be on the bottom anyways in a fight you don’t want to you don’t the bottom line is you don’t want to Grapple if you don’t have to yep you don’t want to be in a street fight in the first place the reason you’re in a street fight is cuz you could not avoid it that’s why you’re in a street fight you could not avoid it you got attacked you got taken down to the ground because even if someone swings at you and you can still get away from you they haven’t grabbed you yet run away cool so train Jiu-Jitsu with punches also train boxing Muay time and wrestling and also work on some real scenarios work on the headlock and I’ve seen this where you get a a guy that’s really just come into the game and jump straight you know these young kids they come to the game they the first thing they want to learn is the rubber guard the first thing they want to learn is the umata the first thing they want to learn is a barolo that’s like the first thing they want to learn and literally someone will put them in a headlock and they won’t know what to do because it’s different just like just like a baron bolo requires technique the headlock Escape requires some technique to get out of that so work on that work on the bear hug work on the the arm grab and the wrist grab and the the the straight arm choke and big looping punches that you’re going to see and I’ll tell you sometimes Dean will teach a self-defense class and when Dean teaches a self-defense class every time he teaches one I learn something I’m like man that’s a good little technique he just showed how to get out of this how to get out of that so bottom line yes you can it it sport Jiu-Jitsu for the most part translates into the street and if you’re good enough at sports Jiu-Jitsu that you’re competing at a high level even purple belt and up you’re not going to need to use any sports Jiu-Jitsu moves in the street you’re going to be destroying someone in a street fight yeah if you end up in that situation yeah the the it’s especially now just like how are you saying the Jiu-Jitsu has evolved and kind of mutated and morphed um in in the gyms now yeah a petri dish Jiu-Jitsu is like an a petri dish it’s growing it just grows on its own it turns in this weird fungus and it gets all different looking yeah and it does look different it does look different than it did you know even like I remember I remember Dean when I were talking about the other day we remember when the Uma plada came out you know I think it was you know like 1996 we started seeing the um plada and we were oh man and it looks very fancy yeah yeah it does it looks very it’s a fancy looking move and now now Because the Internet because so many people are it’s exploding how rapidly it’s changing and mutating it’s mutating faster now than it ever has yeah yeah and that’s it’s part of the beauty of it I think in you know in most ways um the it’s a spectrum though right if you went from one side which is just the basic the original basic you know take down Mount side mount guard all this all the way to worm guard something that that or or Baron bu for example where so sport Jiu-Jitsu if you want to narrow it down it’s it’s it’s if it’s something where the moves or whatever you’re doing is dependent on the sport elements of it so it’s dependent that you have a mat it’s dependent that you have a ghee and a belt so if you do worm guard that’s highly dependent on the guy having a ghee with the lapel out and eventually someone’s going to figure out how to do worm guard without it they’ll figure out some variation for sure for sure they may have already yeah yeah so I’m sure Keenan’s working on it Kean P here so um so you know just to kind of put it into defined terms um so self-defense I think now is you may find a gym that’s only does sport where if you came in no experience and then you know three four or five years later your sport Jiu-Jitsu might not take you very far in the street it’s it’ll be rare I think but you could barely find a school like that I don’t know where they are they but but I think just like are you’re saying when you make it to Purple belt you’re the basic Jiu-Jitsu will win on the street and really when if you go to a school like even the original Gracie Academy in Torrance if you go there the self the self-defense pursuit in Jiu-Jitsu is more of it is it’s tactic based like mentally it’s not specific moves it’s distance management it’s where your mindset is in the guard your your um your Pursuit your goal in the guard is way different than in a in a a tournament or something they won’t they’ll say don’t even go for submissions right here it’s not your job to do submissions right here I was goingon to say that you said it’s dependent on the ghee it’s Sports Jitsu is dependent on the ghee dependent on the mat it’s also dependent on the rules and it’s dependent on an opponent that knows Jiu-Jitsu of it’s depending on somebody that knows what they’re doing because they’re going to counter what you’re doing in order to make something work absolutely right yeah so the if you go back to the self-defense you’re going to be learning basically how to protect yourself given what Jiu-Jitsu is that’s that’s it in sport you’re going to be learning how to score points how to control a certain guy with this specific uniform how do you utilize that uniform how to you utilize the mat and that’s another thing that’s messed up like in the ibjjf so the official rules of Jiu-Jitsu there’s some things that you’re not allowed to do right and that’s not good they should allow these things right in regards to pursuing self-defense yes right the sport a sport is a sport really when it comes down to it well yeah I guess you can put whatever rules you want on it but you shouldn’t yeah yeah if you if if you don’t mind the deviation from self-defense if you don’t mind that then put whatever rules you want but yeah I would say you shouldn’t if you care about the more rules you put in the sport of Jiu-Jitsu the less effective it becomes unfortunately and so they need to stop with the rules yeah and it’s the same thing with Judo it’s the same thing with wrestling I mean wrestling in America if they if they allow submission holds in wrestling in America you know America would be insane with Fighters we’ve done pretty good but can you imagine if every high school kid that wrestled knew how to do all submissions he’d be nuts that’s the way it should be I wish it was that way I wish the world was that way it would be a better place but they what they did is what they did is with wrestling they took they took submission holds out because they considered it to be dangerous in Judo is a CL classic example where they remove move the double leg like you can’t do a straight double leg in a tournament anymore you have to set it up it has to be off of something else cuz cuz wrestlers were coming in and dominating in Judo tournaments just hitting double legs cuz they’re because they’re awesome at them and it’s the same thing now you see with with jiu-jitsu and ibjjf they’re you know with the with the no heel hooks yeah even at a black belt level you’re not allowed to do heel hooks so that completely changes some parts of the games and it doesn’t change them where it where it’s going to make you lose lose in a street fight but it definitely puts a stop to the to the growth of the sport in terms of technique yeah yeah exactly so exactly what you’re saying how the sport the rules and stuff all that does is is narrow down the the sport part of it and the more people who pursue it for sport not just sport but sport if if pursuing Jiu-Jitsu for sport is part of your game it’s part of your your goals or whatever and then now the sport has become this limited thing where you can’t like there 20% of moves you can’t do you’re going to spend way less time practicing them You’ be way less effective at these moves that are a part of grappling a huge part of grappling ultimately so so yeah you’re still going to have that huge overlap for sure if you know Mount which is probably the first thing you go to your first jiu jici class you’re going to learn Mount which is theoretically the most dominant position you can have so you’re going to learn Mount take what to do when the guy flips you over what to do in the guard how to function you know these things that’s what’s going to get you by in the street that’s what’s going to going to make you effective in an actual fight yeah and then you know like like anything all these offshoots that grow you know they you know there’s some overlap for sure but um if if you go in a tournament that’s a specific Pursuit if you want to defend yourself that’s a specific Pursuit now and as time goes on they’re going to start to draw out that there’s a lot of overlap right now in the future that’ll be less because the way that they’re putting rules over the sport yeah and and just and just the sport in general and the sport mutating yeah yeah so you know the sport depending on the GE depending on the M the fact that there’s a mat like if you try to do a baron bolo in the street with Chaos on the road or something just the way that you the way that you spin on the mat there’s too much friction on the street it’ be difficult that would make it hard even the grass would make it hard yeah I haven’t tried a baron bolo on the street go get a fight pick a fight yeah yeah but both are good I think it’s fun you can’t help but really like cuz because when you go in jiujitsu you’re like okay this is basically a a fight and we can train full speed and be safe it’s a fight that’s what makes it so fun because the p when you win the payoff is so good on the inside and when you lose it’s like you still get that detriment that still you still have that feeling but at the end of the day you know you lived you’re not enemies with the guy you’re not injured nothing like that so it makes it this this win-win the whole time right and when you see a cool move like worm guard when like you’re controlling one guy with your weird foot face this way in one hand and the guy can’t like even stand up yeah that’s so fun you know it’s like oh I have the superpower I’m wielding you know in the m so you can’t help but pursue those fun thing Baron bolo you it’s like you’re a break dancer doing some cool stuff meanwhile you’re dominating the guy while you’re doing you can’t help but do that stuff it’s so fun you know so you can’t I mean I don’t think you can really hate on the sport man no I don’t I don’t hate on the sport did you get the impression I no no no no no I’m saying but some people do you even just the question kind not that the the the person who asked this question thinks this but it implies that there is a little bit of a climate of oh yeah this I got a good idea though if you don’t like the baron bolo learn to defend against it oh yeah you know what I mean sure yep if you don’t like Rober guard cool learn to defend against it yep that’s my opinion cuz if it’s working then credit yep yeah you’re either effective or ineffective my brother l b and said that all right time for yeah let’s do one more one more okay Joo a lot of your advice applies to Leading yourself not just leading others self-help quote unquote is a loaded word so let’s say self-management what is the one change readers should make today to start improving themselves and their situation I don’t really like those words self-help or self-management or self Improvement I don’t really like what those words have come to mean these days because there’s a lot of people out there that are constantly trying to improve themselves by looking for the one change the one change right the one change in their life that’s going to make their dreams come true and even worse on top of that there’s a lot of people out there a lot of self-help gurus and these hyperactive motivational speakers and these other self-appointed modern Zen yoga Warriors that they’re trying to sell the one thing they’re trying to sell the nine steps or the enlightened path that’s going to allow you to unlock all of your human potential and fulfill the dreams so you can live the life that you’ve you’ve always wanted to live now I’m no guru and I definitely don’t claim to be I’m just a man but I will tell you this it isn’t one thing and it isn’t 10 things and it isn’t a hundred things it isn’t a quick path and there are no shortcuts meditation won’t get you there and neither will a miracle drug or an organic supplement or some SuperFood getting better isn’t a hack or a trick or a one change that you need to make getting better is a campaign it’s a campaign it’s a daily a weekly it’s an hourly fight an incessant fight that doesn’t stop against weakness and against Temptation and against laziness it’s a campaign of discipline it’s a campaign of hard work work and dedication it’s waking up early and going to bed late and grinding out every second in between every single day so you want to get better you want to self-improve stop looking for a shortcut and go find your alarm clock and find your discipline and find your guts and your passion and your drive and find your will and then and then you will find your freedom and I think that’s all I’ve got for tonight so all you Troopers out there out on the front lines fighting against evil or fighting against Crime or fighting against fires or fighting to make things happen fighting to get ahead and make something out of this little bit of time that we’ve got thanks for joining us in the fight and 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