Jaakko yes in the SEAL Teams you led all male teams any leadership difference in business were in the business world with mixed gender or female teams so first of all in the military I did work with women there’s no women in SEAL Teams but there’s women that are Intel there’s women that are in logistics there’s women in them in some of the logistics support units that go out in the field sometimes so definitely worked with women in the military and in the civilian sector with with echelon front I work with all kinds of women all kinds of women in every level from CEOs on down to frontline troopers and here’s the deal for me it’s no factor no factor to me what’s a factor to me is can they do their job do they have an open mind are they humble do they treat people with respect those are the kind of things that I’m judging it’s like what we talked about earlier I’m judging but I’m not judging based on what they are I’m judging on who they are and who they are as a person so that’s yeah I I see no real difference the leadership the way that you lead doesn’t change in my opinion from though from the women I’ve seen in leadership positions to the men I’ve seen in leadership positions the the the way they lead is successful because the way they lead not because they’re male or female and you know some of the stereotypes that that you might see out there like he like like for instance men are tougher than women or men or women are more emotional than men that’s just garbage and if you see I’ve seen at least when you get to a leadership position I’ve definitely seen women that were way tougher than guys were in terms of hey we got to make this move for the company here’s what I’m gonna do boom they execute it and I’ve seen men that were way too emotional and touched to this scenario and ruin it because they’re just the way more emotional than the stereotypical woman might be so that’s why I just don’t think you can trust um I look at a person I weathered a man or woman I’m looking at their the content of their character for the second time I’ll say that today I’m okay and now when we start talking about combat there’s some physical differences that make that make a definite impact and I talked about on Tim Kennedy if you want to hear me talk about that because yeah when you get into some physical things men are stronger than women and so there’s a there’s some physical limitations there but in terms of leadership capabilities in this in the civilian sector there’s yeah I’m not I’m not I’m not worried about men and women do you okay are there some nuances there there are there are newest for instance to like one you’ll hear is um I’ll get asked you know I’m a female and I’m in charge of these guys you know how should I act or what should I do well because they they might not like working for a furrow for a girl and I say well they fired that back I probably like working for a guy either or a free younger guy or for a guy that got moved from another department there’s it’s the same thing it’s the same thing so what are you gonna do it’s the same thing always say be humble listen to what they have to say keep an open mind that’s what you’re gonna do regardless male female whatever it just yeah older younger doesn’t matter you want it the being a good leader the principles don’t change that’s all there is to it yeah yeah because as an insecure guy getting getting led or or a girl calling shots or whatever will affect them mm-hmm but like I said if they if their leadership principles are sound yeah doesn’t matter making the right call it’s gonna be obvious and that like that guy’s messing up or you know like he’s he’s acting out of insecurity or not acting out of insecurity it’s gonna be obvious the leadership part as long as that sound you’re gonna have success yeah yeah so yeah one that’s no factor to me next question there maybe I should bring some of the female leaders that I’ve worked with on the podcast you know the thing the problem with that is they’re no different than the male leaders of work works I’m sure that there’s some some women to listen this nickel oh you don’t know how hard it is when X mm-hmm well you don’t know I but that’s what I’m saying like though good female leaders I’ve worked with have been like oh yeah that can be sometimes a problem cuz I’m a woman and here’s what I do to negate it because guess what the next day I’ll be working with a different client and the it’s a man and he goes well you know I have to deal with X and this is how I medicate ik so everyone’s dealing with X everyone’s got some factor that they’re trying to overcome and it’s just a good leader will find a way around that factor or find a way to mitigate that factor and a bad leader won’t and will then use that factor as an excuse rather than just as an advantage you know there’s a huge difference between taking ownership of these problems and saying oh you know what here’s the issue okay I’m gonna own that I’m gonna take care of it I’m gonna find a way around it instead of saying oh I’m younger I’m older I’m a woman I’m a man trying to lead these boys it’s like no you’re a human leading another human being and so step up and lead figure out what the issues are and overcome them
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