Jocko Podcast 185 w/ Mitch Aguiar: You Only Get One Shot. Fight a Good Fight. Make it Count

this is Jocko podcast number 185 with echo Charles and me Jocko Willick good evening echo good evening you get one shot and that’s it and in the end you’re going into the ground regardless of what you believe the afterlife consists of or what it doesn’t consists of as far as what you get to hold on to once you leave here is nothing and I implore people all the time to make it count because this is it this is the finals there are no redos you can’t hit the rewind button and even worse you can’t even hit the pause button there’s no way you can stop the clock from ticking no possible way the countdown is on and the days are finite you only get so many then then it’s over so until them make them count make all of them count and on the podcast today I have a guest a fellow frog man whom to the best of my knowledge is doing his best to make his days count his name is Mitch a gr and we just met each other but like I said he’s a frogman he likes jiu-jitsu he likes to get after it so my guess is we should have some things to talk about so Mitch walked with a podcast thanks for having me good good to meet you yeah good to meet you fifteen minutes ago yeah picked you up at the airport I think we linked up some way on social media correct and you were in the AL doing some training and so here you are cool where’d you grow up I grew up in Virginia Beach and then was there till about 11:00 then moved to Maryland and live of my dad was there till about 16 and so wait grow up in Virginia Beach parents in the military yep my mom and dad were both in the Navy both in the nav that’s right yeah and my mom was an OS and my dad was a combat camera man with deaf group okay right off and and so then used were there until you said you were 11 yeah I was in Virginia Beach tell us 11 they were divorced and my dad had gotten out of the Navy and was living up in Maryland working at the Aberdeen Proving Ground okay doing high-speed photography there and uh you know filming tank rounds and all kinds of cool explosives and stuff like that and you had like a wicked cool job he had before it was cool wicked cool yeah and so I went up there and lived with him for a while and then around 16 moved up to Ohio my mom had moved up to Ohio my stepdad was also in the Navy and he had gotten out and they started a business up in Ohio and I went and lived with her up there and finished out high school in Ohio no 10th or 10th 11th 12th grade and then joined the Navy from there what what was high school like what sports were you play I was playing football basketball lacrosse and yeah was it we’re gonna do it we’re good athlete I was a good athlete and I was also to some sports that weren’t at our school I was on a arm wrestling team around a dodgeball team like a traveling dodgeball team a traveling dodgeball team it was it was by far my favorite like how how many games would you play in dodgeball in a day no in like a season what’s this the dodgeball season well you know there’s practice obviously and if you take it serious like we did we practice like three times a week and then we would travel on the weekends for tournaments what balls do you use we some some leagues are different but mainly it’s those kick balls so like the red rubber ones yeah how many people are on the team each side um there was it was like six or seven people per team or and then we had like a couple substitutes you know in case there was injuries injuries just like any other sport man we had your first string starters and then you but you didn’t wrestle I did not wrestle I didn’t resurrect that well I did into run cross-country I didn’t swim I didn’t do anything in high school that would be useful in my ongoing adventures well football basketball I mean you’re becoming an athlete yeah like just in general I would well I would say that competition mindset you know that and just yeah being an athlete overall that was always something that was just in grayned in me you know my both my mom and dad and they were really competitive like always had us in sports growing up my brother and I and yeah I always loved the competition side of things you know and I actually like hate working out still to this day like I just I don’t really enjoy it but if there’s some sort of competition involved in it or competitiveness that’s that’s what I really like shark so you get done with high school your and you what makes you join the Navy honestly I was I was just bored I was living in Ohio and it sucked there and there was just nothing there that I wanted how long after you graduated high school did you join the Navy a couple months did you did you go in the dive fair program to be in the teams or did you just want to be in just in the Navy now I originally um I mean it it it wasn’t planned out at all I was I was working three different jobs I was a roofer which I really really loved that was that was a great job and I worked at my my parents like they owned a deli slash convenience store kind of thing I worked there and I was a lifeguard at kalahari and I and I was a surf instructor he said kalahari I already know that’s it’s an it’s the world’s largest indoor water park okay and they have waves there yeah I have a flow rider like a couple flow rider machines oh the thing that she wanted us the plastic yeah you type there yet what creates an artificial wave so I would uh I was on the competition team and I would like give people lessons on how to ride that thing so between that and dodgeball every kind of dial did yeah for some action that’s right that’s a good setup so you recommend if someone wants to get the career of Special Operations they focus on dodgeball and arm wrestling and say awesome how much a formula for success formula for success and so you’re you’re you’re doing these jobs and you’re you’re not having a good time with you yeah I ever I was you know not a very good studious student in high school you know high school was more of like a socialization for me like I really enjoyed going there socialized I really enjoyed you know making friends and I liked sports and and I was always I always loved working and making money you know like school is just kind of in the way I’d kind of you know at the time I just had zero interest in any sort of classwork whatsoever and I don’t even understand how I somehow I had graduated and then you know I was like yeah I’m definitely gonna do something in life I don’t know what I’m assuming it’ll be good though you know I just don’t know what it is and and my teachers were kind of in that same mindset they’re you know half of them were just like man they’re you’re hopeless like there’s you’re just gonna work at Burger King whatever and then the other half were just like yeah you’re gonna do something great it’s definitely not going to be in school you know who knows what it is and I was just kind of in that you know glass half-full I was thinking the same thing and I didn’t know what it was honestly like I said I was roofing and I really loved roofing but yeah you know I was making minimal money and I knew that that wasn’t going to be it so I was in the area I knew that nothing around the area interested me you know there was nothing that I wanted to pursue around there I was young I was 18 you know my mom and dad were both in my stepdad where we’re all in the Navy at at points in their life and you know had talked about the benefits of the military my dad was always trying to get me to go in the military and I just wasn’t interested at all and yeah that was never really even a consideration until quite literally like I was just bored and the recruiter happened to walk in catch me and I was like hey you want to join the Navy and I was like sure why not and and I was at first I was going to do mastered arms like I was like uh you know I’ve always I’ve always had like a kind of respect for police my grandfather’s a police officer my uncle’s still a police officer and that was something that I felt like you know was a courageous job and a helpful useful one or whatever you know and I figured that I could I’ve always been real protective as well so like I figured that job would kind of maybe be fitting for me so he he had asked me you know hey yeah you want to join the Navy and I was like okay and then I thought oh I’ll go that route and he was like well you look like you’re in good shape do you want to you want to be a seal I was like there’s a sneaky guys you know the the only thing I knew about seals was from that commercial where the where the they’re on the beach or it’s a scene and it’s on the beach and the clouds roll over the moon and then they pass to supremacy or whatever and so that’s all I knew about Navy SEALs and I was like ah this guy’s what beer is this this was 2007 Jay so you’re watching the wars are going on all through high school you’re seeing all that stuff take place mm-hmm 9/11 happened when I was in seventh grade there you were probably boots on ground or something there well I mean I was I was yeah I had been in for like 11 years at that point so I joined in 90 so I was born in 89 yeah yeah so I’m a little bit older than you are apparently yeah did you not did you realize like so this was your first kind of connection cuz for me when I was growing up like every time some kind of war event happened I was all bummed out that I wasn’t there because I was too young and that’s just the way I was I was always thinking about that I was always into the military but you were kind of like not I was the total opposite like I wanted nothing to do with with the military I wanted nothing to do with like I’d never even thought about it my dad was just you know he was in and he was a combat cameraman with deaf groups so obviously he was you know really involved with with it and any time he would try and talk to me if I’m just like I’m I’m not interested I’m not gonna join the fucking military but you know what what flip the switch just mega boredom yeah just I just you know I was like well worst case scenario I know I’m in for in the Navy for four years I’ll go see the world a little bit I’ll you know gain some life experience and worst case I get out and I’m fucking 22 yeah like who cares I’m not going to college I know that you know high school was I barely made it through that and just not because I’m stupid just because I just man wasn’t your scene oh my god I’d rather do hell week ten times in a row than write an essay you know so you get in the Navy and do you prepare at all like before I had never run like further than a mile and like I all my sprint all my sports stuff was all sprinting I mean those dodge balls are only you know dodge ball courts were small yeah they’re cold they’re they’re short so it’s just I was always a really fast sprinter and uh that was kind of all I really cared about I I didn’t even I was also I also like now looking back how stupid I was and just how dumb you are at 18 like you think you really like Nora when you’re 18 you really like you’re like man you know you look back at when you’re 10 they’re like I know so much yeah I just compared to my seven-year-old self compared to my eight-year-old self like I didn’t even know what I was doing now I’m a I’m a man you know I know what what life’s about but at that point obviously now I’m thirty looking back at that I’m just like man you’re so dumb but I really was and just really inexperienced with life I never like I said run really further than a mile I didn’t even understand like that people did that I had heard about like marathons and stuff but I remember when you know and when I had heard that I had to run like a mile and a half for the PST I was like what in the fuck like why what and then and then like I told my dad that I signed up for the the SEAL Teams and I was like hey I’m gonna be a seal and he’s just like you have no idea what you just signed up for I didn’t even know I had to go to buds and then so he was like yeah what’s wrong and he he bought me the the two three four documentary and we sat down and watched that and I remember like just watching the four mile timed run and I was just thinking like is that even possible like do people really do that and I was just thinking like Jesus Christ like this is I’m gonna have to do all this shit oh my god I better start running I better start training so did you start running and trading yeah I mean I went out and you know actually back up before I even saw that the first the first introduction I had two buds was I or Navy SEALs in general once I signed the like I signed up and I was like all right I’m gonna be a Navy SEAL I better do some research so I went out and got Navy SEALs with Charlie Sheen and I watched that and that was my very first introduction to what Navy SEALs were and I was just like man looks pretty intense pretty cool though and you know in the scene the scene in that movie they say it’s buds but it’s obviously not because it’s like in the woods and they’re like there’s like grenades going off and they’re like they’re like army crawling under barbed wire and and he’s like this is buds you know like it was just like this crazy scene or whatever and I was just thinking like damn I got to go through all that all right better so I went out and bought some fucking camo pants I bought some boots like just leather boots and there and I went for a run down my street and I remember it was like a mile all right did I was like I have to run a mile in half so I’m gonna see how this goes and I and I went and got those pants and got suited up and I was just thinking like oh man this is gonna be hard but and then and then my dad got the the 2 3 4 documentary and then I was just like oh ok I really just have no fucking idea what I just signed up for and I was just thinking like damn that looks really hard but I already told everyone that I was going to do this and I was just kind of that you know that’s one good thing about being 18 and you’re just young and dumb and stubborn and you know luckily I used the the good of that to get through I guess so you get in the I was gonna say you know mice mice my dive motivator was Mike nos you know yes I know who it is I don’t know him personally but well he’s he’s a whole Vietnam frogman plank owner at at Dam Neck and he he came in and he’s a tall guy and he walks with like kind of a big limp because he had like a hip replacement he still swims like a fish and he actually taught me how to do the sidestroke the day before my PST so it was like pretty steep learning curve so it’s that is I always tell people not to make decisions when they’re super emotional and so I’m gonna start adding don’t make decisions when you’re super just bored yeah yeah you might end up at buds so you show up there you show up the buds and you must have you know obviously you made it through was already what was your worst off for you and buds running running was definitely I mean obviously that’s like what you do the most of and man it was just I went from no running ever to running my ass off just everywhere and and those timed runs man I was just fucking having a lot of conversations with Jesus those runs and just you know giving it everything I fucking had just to make the cutoff on those on those runs and then and then I eventually I became like a pretty good runner from doing it and but yeah I was I was for sure captain of the goon squad and but luckily all those fucking dodgeball Sprint’s were paying off in the goon squad so it was it was nice in the goon squad I felt comfortable did you get rolled for anything yeah I got rolled for some I had real bad shin splints from for living from the lack of running previous and but other you know got rolled dealt with that and like I said I picked up like from running so much I just got good at it and I was like young so adapted well I guess yeah it pays to be young and buds in my opinion yeah I’m a physical perspective physically F for sure with like dealing with overuse injuries and I mean because you’re definitely gonna just they’re obviously just gonna fucking ream your ass and then you have to get up and go yeah I was talking to one of the medical guys there who came from like a sports environment like the I think the NFL was easy and I think was the NFL and do you remember the I think it’s patella femoral syndrome did you ever know anyone that got that there anyways there’s a bunch of people that get this this this patella femoral syndrome you know there and he said yeah at Budds I would see 10 cases a week of patella femoral syndrome it’s where your patella like rubs against your your femur or something and he said in the NFL you’d see like one of these every year maybe one a year and so these guys that would come to buds for from a physical what was an athletic trainer perspective would learn so much because they’re just getting these mat these of bodies are just going through abuse like no other bodies and so they see all those all these common injuries that you get your knees your your shoulders your back like that’s what you go to Budds as an athletic trainer you learn and as a doctor you learn so much about how to deal with these things because you see ten times more than you would or more than you would anywhere else yeah I believe that but I’ve also talked people who say like I was young too going through buds how old were you 18 and so you get the you get the you get the mind of hey I just do whatever they tell me to do you know but there’s some people that say have told me they didn’t think they were mature enough at 18 or 19 to go through buds um I for sure was not I don’t say I wasn’t mature enough to go through because obviously I did and I made it through however you say like what or ask like what my biggest struggle at Budds was was definitely my maturity I mean physically like physically it was running like just I was never a long-distance runner obviously sprinting I was fast as fuck sprinting and I was really strong on the log and like the boats the boats on heads was extremely surprising to me I like I remember seeing it on the videos and thinking like okay that’s kind of weird like why are they running around boats on their heads like and then I didn’t think it was gonna be painful because they’re they’re like inflatable the rubber boats or whatever and then when they put that thing on your head I was just like Jesus Christ this thing is smashing my fucking neck did the instructors jump around in the boats when you went through yeah stop doing it at some point they would like some of the little guys would like jump and hang on the handles and and shit like that when when you’re running but yeah you definitely knew when they were on the boats because they got a lot heavier but um what they would do when I went through and they stopped doing this which is a good thing they would they would be like the boats who be lined up and we Hammond head carry and the instructors would be in like boat one and rather than they would just jumped into boat two and then jump into boat three and I remember hearing when they would did that to me a couple of the times that they did it to me I heard like this deep kind of inside my neck and I remember thinking this is probably not good and they stopped doing it thankfully because that’s not healthy so you actually used to be like six to I don’t know if I got shorter but I definitely took some took some damage took some damage for sure yeah that was that the boats on heads was probably the most surprising thing to me of how like I just wasn’t expecting it to be that bad and but like the log PT you know I was always really enjoyed the log PT I think probably because from roofing you know I was always carrying those 80 pound bundles of shingles up the ladder and then like I was the young guy on the crew so I was a shingle bitch over the years and you know everyone everyone on my crew is in their forties so they you know I was the 15 year old when I came on the crew and just a young strong kid they they took full advantage of it and just wherever they needed shingles on the roof that’s where I called them up and so I was used to carrying you know that the heavy load and stuff and like I said I feel strong I felt really good on that stuff and mentally I was like I just was super competitive and that’s what really got me through buds was was just that sheer competitiveness where did the maturity level where could that have tripped you up were you like doing dumb stuff on the weekends where you know not really um because I mean I wasn’t even old enough to go drink or anything like that so it was more just kind of not understanding well one like I was different I was different than most people there because like you said you wanted to be in the military your whole life and like you wanted to be a seal I’m assuming did you yeah I mean as soon as I kind of figured out what the single themes were yeah yeah so like like that and just how you are you’re very disciplined you’re very you know you’re very militant I would say and I would have to concur yeah I was like more of like a wild like free spirit kind of you know kid growing up and and I was not militant at all and so and I also like getting through boot camp was difficult for me because of that as well you know just like I’m like why my my question was like why do we have to fold or make cars or whatever we’re literally spent all day undoing our bed and and remaking it I was like I what the fuck this is the point of this like it’s such a waste of time and you know obviously it’s all for a reason and designed but I just I couldn’t wrap my head around it so that just lack of military bearing and lack of maturity and understanding like why things are the way they are and you know the whole military structure just you just do it and you don’t question stuff like that you know that was probably my biggest hang-up you know just I was different than everyone I was young I was I don’t know I I didn’t want to be a seal my whole life you know some of these people like this is like their dream and they’ve been training for it for whatever and I’m just kind of here showing up and and guys are quitting and and I’m not and you know and and like physically I was doing like a lot better than some guys who like I said it was kind of just like I am just here whatever doing this and other guys it’s like this is everything to me and you know so it’s like I check so you get done with buds and you show up and where’d you go team ten team ten yeah right on and then well how was that checking in to team ten it was it was cool but by that point you know I’d kind of like obviously I was like oh right I’m a seal now and and I had been in the in the pipeline for a while and kind of getting in the flow of things and the military and and stuff like that but yeah I was super excited to check in to team ten and I originally I was going to go to team five and then my I told my family you know that I’ve got orders to five and and they were all kind of bummed out because they wanted they’re all in the East Coast and they were like ah man you know we were hoping you’d come with East Coast and I was like okay I’ll go to these coasts and I thought it was like kind of cool too because it felt like like a new like a new chapter because like you know the SEAL team one three and five or seven or right by the buds compound so it was like you know I’d been there and been in this scene for the last two years or whatever it was and it was it was cool felt cool to like go across the country and like check in to a team and you know I just felt like like this is it this is a real deal so that was super cool I felt felt good my troop was awesome and what was your what was your job and your first Platoon I was a heavy gunner for sure a dub a knuckle draggers yeah yeah yeah that’s a classic new guy strong new guy guess what yeah I’m a pig you’re a big strong new guy got something for you and I loved it yeah I I am I I embraced it I didn’t think it was like a bad thing you know I think what year is this now 2009 okay so you yeah you went straight to the to the mark 48 no and the 64 you mm-hmm that’s that’s that’s nice yeah we shot 60s and stuff but no like what like a fam 60s or something yeah and there were 60s on like Humvees and stuff like that and going through vehicle stuff so there was still a little bit of transition taking place so you’re a paid gunner your first Platoon how was your first work up it was awesome it’s definitely a good time got what surprised you about like going through workup being in a seal puts here what what was different than what you thought it was what was different from how it was for Charlie Sheen you know it was it was a lot like the movie it was it was it was great man I I I thought it was a lot of fun we got to travel travel the travel the country that was a cool thing too about the East Coast the training sites were kind of all over all over versus the west coast it was kind of like the same song and dance like niland and and what’s the other one you know in the training the trainings like all the same sites and so going to the East Coast I got to see a bunch of new places and and that was cool to me just kind of seeing the world and the the Brotherhood of like being in the troops and and stuff and you’re you’re rolling around as a team I thought that that was really cool was there anything that was more challenging like you know some new guys they have a hard time in their first platoon with whatever with land warfare they have a hard time with CQC they’ll have a hard time with some you know whatever sometimes it’s like not easy sometimes you know you get a guy that can’t dive very well or whatever was anything that wasn’t a skillset that was hard for you or did you pretty much which is I would say most guys coming out of buds and sqt like most of them are fine like most of them yet get they can they pick things up pretty quick you know they made it through all that crap they made it through sqt where you’re getting screened right again so most the time but still you’d still get guys showing up a platoon that you know they wouldn’t be comfortable with this or they wouldn’t be great at that was there anything that was tough for you I would say like everything was was tough I I wasn’t I wasn’t a master at anything other than my Pig you know and so everything was was was somewhat challenging for me but I also didn’t really struggle with anything to too much other than like my maturity like that you know I was I checked into a SEAL team before I could even go into a bar you know and I didn’t go to college or anything like that so I was I was a 20 year old at a SEAL team yeah you know so yes I had been through a lot as far as like buds and sqt and you know that kind of forces you to grow up to an extent but seals like to party too and and I kind of that was probably my biggest challenge was just my maturity and just kind of learning when to to lock on and and you know when it was time to like chill out did you ever get caught that you ever get in trouble do you ever get arrested I did get arrested and not in my new guy platoon I got arrested in my and when I was in my second platoon I got into a bar fight this these guys it was actually three three dudes had just started mouthing off to one of my platoon members wife it was him and I and my girlfriend at the time and his girlfriend at the time now her wife and we were coming out of the bar and they just had a couple drinks and they had come over and said some disrespectful shit to them and you know I just was feeling froggy a little bit and didn’t let it slide and ended up whooping their ass and beat up three people outside of a bar and got arrested mm-hmm but but your first Platoon you you managed to keep your nose clean or at least as far as you know the actual log the actual law enforcement goes yeah not tremble and then where was that so you did your work up where did you guys go on deployment to your first deployment Afghanistan and when you were going to Afghanistan were you going did you go as a whole troop to Afghanistan yep yeah all three of our platoons went yeah it was it was kind of an interesting thing because it was in 2011 and I don’t know if you you said you got out in 2010 I did yeah well yeah there was I’m sure you heard about they they wanted us to somehow get on the army schedule and so it was us and Team seven mm-hmm and we ended up basically doing two deployments back to back and got synced up with the army or something like that and I don’t know I don’t know all the all the you know mumbo jumbo that actually took place but or why we did it but they told us kind of right before it was like two months before we left they’re like hey just kidding you guys are gonna go to Afghanistan and we’re gonna need you stay there for basically a year or the goat shit okay so we went there and it was it was an interesting deployment for sure because my platoon we were the furthest outpost from any major base in Afghanistan and you know were basically roughing it the whole time we were out there did you guys take over at outpost somewhere or did you guys establish one we took one over that had just been established like literally a couple months ago you know so there was there was nothing there we were sleeping in tents still no running water no no nothing like that and then I think around month seven or eight of our deployment we packed up and went 15 miles north and set up a new site so it was literally just fucking roughing it the whole time you know airdrop in our food in and and no running water the whole time and what what type of ops were you doing we were we were doing all kinds of stuff and I was lucky enough to kind of we got to they shifted our guys around too so like we got to all that kind of experience different things because we all had a different kind of mission set and different we were on all three of our platoons were in different areas of Afghanistan so I got to kind of do a lot of everything so were you guys going out on patrol from your from your Forward Operating Base was that yeah and yeah pretty much daily and you were interacting with a local populace type thing yep you know try to establish relationships yeah we did that for a little while that was a really dumb that you because you didn’t feel like you made any progress didn’t make any connections yeah I mean in in my opinion I just thought it was like kind of a waste of time and I just I just felt like we could have been doing a lot more stuff or better stuff with our time and and training and all that and it was just like a super dangerous area to be in you know it was in Helmand and is it we basically just lived in a fucking minefield you know and it was just IEDs everywhere just as a constant threat so you know and we were going on these long patrols every day and and all these all these ops we were doing and hitting these villages that were just riddled with IEDs everywhere and you know getting contacted you know on you’re basically just stick out like a sore thumb there you know so I mean you know how Versys I didn’t feel real comfortable with that like and it sucked being in a minefield like just every step just please don’t blow please don’t blow up please don’t blow up please don’t you know for a year yeah did you guys did you guys hit any IEDs yeah yeah we encountered a couple IEDs and so shitty yeah and that the enemy did you have a feel for who was bad and who was good when you’d go out no definitely not there was I mean cuz like literally there was there was a times where you know we’d be in the village fucking shaking hands with people and then you know on the way out get contacted getting a firefight and then fucking go back and look and oh it’s the same guys that we were just shaking hands with that are fucking dead you know and so it was it was hard to it was really weird to like get rep ramped up and everything as he’s like getting this mindset of this warrior mindset you know that you’re going to war and you’re going to this fucking land where everyone everyone is you know your enemy and blah blah blah and then it’s like oh just kidding let’s let’s try to help some of these people or whatever and and the you know the good and use like okay yeah I want to I want to help people and and stuff like that and and do what I can to help these people out and and if they’re getting like bullied essentially by the by the Taliban or whatever like that’s not cool but I just felt like it was it was really weird to to be there and go there with that mindset and then have to fucking like trying to help people and then when you try to help people they don’t want your help and you know and they fucking shoot at you and and shit like that so it’s like and then you’re expected to like go out and try and help these people again and it’s I don’t know it was just like a weird it’s a weird dynamic and would you go when you said you would move positions where you going from like would you like switch platoons and go to a different Operating Base yeah and then you’d spend some time there with them and and then do operations with them and then after a little while go to a different one as well yeah yeah we rotated our guy all of our guys just to so we can all get you know experience doing other things like working with the commandos or you know training the fit trainin FID or doing the VSO stuff and yeah it was cool I enjoyed that just because it broke up the monotony of everyday you know going on patrols doing the same things seeing the same places or whatever and dealing with the same threats it just it keeps you kind of from getting complacent I felt like so obviously for the 11 month or yeah so I was definitely happy to move and and do new things and work and like and it was cool too because on the base that we were at in Afghanistan it was literally like a hundred yards by a hundred yards that was your that was like our camp it was like being in prison you know but worse like because we’re getting shot at too and like if you when you go outside go get your fucking food that they airdrop in you know you’re worried about stepping on IDs like we found IEDs literally right outside of our compound you know so it was a constant threat always and and like I said like going to get our air dry it was just a lot of work to because not only it was like we were seal bees you know we had to like build our we had to like build our camp and also like all the stuff that came with that like going and getting our supplies that would airdrop in and and being out there you know you only get ring routes and and stuff you only get air drops every once in a while and so when when shit would come in it was like all hands go work on this and then also you got to prep your shit and get ready for the OP tonight or tomorrow or whatever and and I remember just I have a video of one of our big air drops coming in and you just see like three or four pallets just burn in just explode and you know it’s like always it like all the water-bottle pallets are fine but it’s that one with like the goodies you know it’s like oh man you know that’s the one that burned in and it just fucking hits the ground explodes and you see like all the rip it’s or something you know it’s something that people were looking forward to just explode and you’re just like fuck I don’t know I just accepted that this is my life so sure whatever I wasn’t I wasn’t thinking about the time too much and then um I just you get into a rhythm you know and I got to we got to go home for R&R that was cool took a little break but it was like bittersweet you know go home for fucking two weeks and like I’ve just been playing in this minefield where everyone’s trying to kill me for the last six months and come home for two weeks and like to normalcy and you’re just like you know literally just fly straight from there no decompression or anything and then now you’re back in normal society with your family and and by the way you’re leaving in 11 days to go back yeah and then don’t get comfortable because we’re going right back over there so that was like kind of like it was bittersweet and got back over there but that was cool too because it was like re I’m fuckin halfway through like it’s downhill now you know so that kind of definitely fired me up to finish out but then towards the end we were there for all four seasons so we saw literally all four seasons this is interesting and by the end of it by the end of it I remember when the ring route came to pick me up to go out I remember flying away from from the base that we were at and just thinking like oh my kind of sad like like almost like when you move away from somewhere and like I’ve moved my whole life I’ve moved around a lot so I was like damn like this has been my home for the last year you know I’m kind of bummed to to leave but fuck this place I can’t wait to go home yeah I got I got kind of lucky because I had been in the Navy for a while when when I deployed to Iraq and especially my second deployment to Iraq where I was in Ramadi and and like I I you know sometimes people will say oh I look back and I I wish I would have appreciated it more you know people say that about certain parts of their life I don’t have that at all like i 100% appreciated every single day I was there I was like this is this is the the best part of my whole life is right is what’s happening today right now you know so I got kind of lucky in the fact that you know even talking to the guys that were new guys on that deployment to her body they they just kind of they were like from then honey maybe say a damn you know I thought that’s what every deployment was gonna be like it was and it was they just didn’t have that same perspective of hey man this is like this target-rich environment where we’re getting to do what everyone’s dreamed of doing their whole life and they’re gonna do it all the time that doesn’t happen you know it doesn’t happen like that usually you know and it’s hard and so I was pretty lucky in the fact that I I was I could appreciate it yeah I know as far as the work went like I was as far as like like being a seal and working there like that that was awesome you know and I was you know one of the biggest like I say concerns I had or not or even that concern was just like a question to myself was you know what would how am I actually going to react in combat you know what I mean because everyone everyone likes to think that they’re ideally you know and in a situation of shit popped off you know I’ll be the I’ll be the guy who will you know hold have my shit together and and be that you know the rock or whatever you know what I mean and some people crumble you know and I saw that as a seal like that that was kind of my I was always a realist you know was like I’ve never been shot at I’ve never been in a gunfight or whatever so I definitely you know I I feel like I’m not a coward and I feel like I would step up and do do what I got to do and perform I feel like that but I don’t know it for sure you know what I mean and so that was that was definitely when it happened and I in it you know and I did I I stepped up and and felt very pleased with with how that all went down and and all the combat and everything that I had been involved with like that was definitely rewarding to me you know like as a seal and and as a man just and as a warrior just like okay like I felt legit you know I felt like fulfilled in that sense so the work the work was really good but just as far as being in that environment like the IEDs was really like the IEDs and the fucking like invisible enemy was kind of discouraging you know it was like it felt like we just had so much risk you know for not a whole lot of reward and like which is different like I would say I would I feel like an like Ramadi was like a different just way different environment but yeah ya know that’s that’s the that’s the way insurgents are supposed to fight right you’re not supposed to see them they’re just supposed to pick away at you the death of a thousand cuts that you know indirect fire IEDs and snipers and they don’t want you to ever see them and and that’s what they want and just to slowly pick away because they don’t care about human life they don’t value human life and here we are you know every time we lose someone it’s it’s a tragedy and they don’t care if they lose guys or not they don’t they don’t care they don’t care if the civilians get killed don’t care about any of that and so that’s why they have that’s why they have an advantage in those situations a psychological advantages hey we we don’t care if you kill us and by the way we know you care about your people and so we’re gonna pick away and you’re hopefully you’re never going to see us and we don’t care we’re gonna blow you up and we don’t care yeah that I mean that was pretty apparent I mean because a lot of the IEDs that went off were you know local villagers stepping on them triggered by Sabaa you know and then that that just happened all that all the damn time and and we would we would help them you know we would we would aid the wounded and stuff like that and they’d like get pissed at us and we’re like we didn’t plant that shit you know like get mad at them not us yeah that’s that that insurgency thing is but yeah and like more to do worth it was it was just super frustrating to me like it was super frustrating to me dealing with like the politics involved with war and you know I felt like we absolutely could have done things to give us more of an advantage but it seemed like they were more concerned with politics and shit like that you know as more than more than like the safety of us and I just felt like we could you know there’s no reason why we should be going out in the daylight period you know we train like why not fight like we train and because you guys got locked down from doing stuff at night right right we got to do night shit but we also did a lot of day shit and I you know to me it was just like why the fuck are we doing this like we have night vision why are we going out there and did you have Afghan forces with you sometimes mm-hmm a lot of times we did we we had to work a lot in Ramadi in the daytime then the main we have worked well there’s a couple big reasons why we worked in the daytime in Ramadi which as you just pointed out as a huge tactical disadvantage compared to being out at night where we can literally see and the enemy can’t I mean it’s but in Ramadi you know we had to work with Iraqi soldiers who didn’t have night vision so they didn’t have flashlights they would have like one flashlight for every four people and we two eventually got him flashlights and stuff but anyways it was it was a problem because to go out at night with them it was they were blind and so now you’re you’re like at a you’re at this say the same disadvantage because you’re trying to you got people that can’t see mix with people that can’t see and they’re not getting anything out of it they’re not improving their skills at all and they’re just horrible yeah and they were they were not not good not good and so that was one reason was to take him out in the daytime we to get him to operate we had to go out with him in the daytime and the other big one was the enemy knew that we owned the night and so the enemy in Ramadi they didn’t come out at night they came out in the daytime so if you wanted to kill them you had to go out when they were when they were moving and so that’s where we’re now and you know we did both and we did a ton at the night as well and also you know we take advantage of the night to get in good positions we know when and then during the daytime they would come out to fight and you know they’d get it yeah we had we had art we had we were working with the commandos and they had night vision but like I said they were just terrible and like one of them almost shot me on and op we were actually in a helicopter flying to target and it was one of their heavy gunners and he it was around midnight and we were flying in a Chinook to to the target and I was just kind of nodding off just you know just just trying to you know catch a little nap on the ride to the OP and its pitch black in the in the helo obviously and all of a sudden it’s just correct you know like four or five rounds crack off and the guy neck it was the guy next to me and thank God he had his barrel down and like literally just shot like four or five rounds like less than six inches from my feet and there’s just holes in the bottom of the the bird and shot the comms out of the helo and everything and at that point I was just like you know I was there just kind of used to shit me and shitty and just reached over and took the rounds out of his gun and just that was the safest weapon yeah just like come over comms like yeah the fucking commandos ad you know never ones just like whatever but so then we changed like all right no more commandos rolling hot in the birds and you know on the way to target target and so we we had changed that so then the next one we did we fucking got to we got to our our target bird landed get out and do our formation and all the sudden in its like a total brown out you know because Afghanistan’s super dusty and everything there and the the helo lands we’re all getting our in our formation and it’s a total Brown out and then all of a sudden we hear fucking rounds going off crack around because the the dudes loading their pigs like all sudden had to run away gun or whatever we don’t know if we’re getting contacted like you can hear it’s outgoing but like why why is there outgoing fire when we’re in filling you know are we get in contact or what’s going on and it’s just these guys are fucking stupid with their weapons and yeah so it was always always something fun always good so you wrap up that deployment and come back to come back and roll into your next ya exporter ya come back and roll into the next button and I always wanted to how was that how was that coming home now you’re now you’re home you did the two weeks in the middle how was the transition when you got home it was it was it was rough I was definitely dealing with some PTSD I would say and I was I was definitely kind of angry um I was I was angry it was a weird weird weird emotions because I I kind of was kind of pissed off at like America like like not America as a whole but like I felt like the politics you know like I said earlier I felt like they really cared more about or they just didn’t really give a shit about our safety I felt like you know it’s one thing like obviously we’re doing a dangerous job but why why on earth are we not giving ourselves every advantage that we are capable of you know like like the night vision and stuff like that and and a lot of times we would capture people who we knew we’re bad you know talking to our Intel guys and they’re like 100% like this dude is a fucking terrorist like he’s a bad dude like everyone in his phone you know they’d rip apart the shit and like every one of his contacts are bad you know like this guy’s definitely an ie D maker you know whatever and so we’ve got these guys captured but then we have to turn him in to the Afghan government which we also know is corrupt and then all of a sudden these dudes are out on the streets again in a couple months time and making IEDs that you know me or my brothers can step on and fucking that’s a wrap and you know Caleb Nelson was a seal that died on our deployment from my team and it’s just kind of you know life and death and war it just puts things in a perspective and it really made me angry that you know like Caleb couldn’t come home because of an IE D and like we’re letting these people go and and I just felt like we weren’t being utilized fully and and like like it was costing us and so I was like really angry about that and um and then also just kind of being in that environment for a long time just different you know different mentality and then coming home to America and like people just don’t understand how good it is here and it’s like a fucking fairy tale you know and and trying and listening to people talk and complain about about shit here and I’m just like you don’t even have to you don’t even you just walk down that sidewalk and didn’t even give a fuck where you stepped like you don’t even care because you’re not worried about anything you’re not worried if there’s an IUD they’re like you have running water you took a shower today you fucking I had to burn my own shit you know um so I was just like a lot of anger dealing with that and I was drinking a lot like and I also felt like I felt like seals were the only ones that kind of understood and got it and then also being over there in Afghanistan I saw you know Kandahar the main base in Kandahar was like a fucking it was like a little town you know there’s like flag football leagues and shopping and TGI Fridays people having birthday parties and shit like that and you know that’s where that’s where like Tim McGraw flies in to do the concert for the troops and shit like that you know like is this where we’re staying eating like kings you know and they’re like nanana you’re going out there so then you know that’s where I that’s where I was and that’s where where me and my boys were you know living in the suck livings doing some serious fuckin shitty living you know and and and working a job as dangerous as fuck every day and then just seeing that kind of shit and like I don’t know I just I felt like before I had gone over overseas I was like real like thank you for your service to everyone I saw you know and and afterwards I was just kind of the opposite and I was like fuck all these motherfuckers man so I was just disgruntled in whatever and and people you know I hear people talk about PTSD or this or that and I’m like what the fuck are you what are you afraid of you know you were on a main base that like it wasn’t he it’s not even a thing like you didn’t experience war but that was like just kind of immaturity at the time and and like like I said me being just kind of disgruntled and dealing with that and I was drinking like heavily and I was just a super aggressive person and it wasn’t like a good it wasn’t good for my friends a family like people I cared about whoever and like I said I felt like seals were kind of the only ones that understood and then even amongst seals I felt like only the ones who who had to live so shitty like we did like our platoon you know no running water for a year and like like just living in that environment was super rough and I felt like they were the only ones who understood but then again it’s like I just spent a year with these assholes in a hundred by a hundred foot you know place I don’t want to see them and so it just kind of felt alone a little bit you know and whatever dealt with that got got through that and doing better now and and I was like kind of disgruntled towards people claiming PTSD and all this kind of shit for years after that and then actually some random this random chick at a dinner I was at she was in the Army or something like that and and she had she was talking about PTSD and I was just thinking like Jesus Christ what the fuck are you what what is it you know and I kind of set my viewpoints on it and she was like well you know fear is relative and you know like you were you were seriously trained and stuff for war and and to be in that environment and you know some people weren’t and like fears relative like this like being in a gunfight to you you know in verses like just being in that country like could be the same amount of fear or more for that person and I was just kind of like you know hmm I never really thought about it that way okay I’ll change my mind yeah well war is different for everybody and it’s I remember my first deployment to Iraq we we we travel a lot and we went to a lot of different places and so we go from like the incredible palaces that have been taken over that had subways and Starbucks and then we you know the next day we’d be out at some out station somewhere there be an Oda team just living in you know the most horrible living conditions and then the next day you’d be with some random Marine Corps company out some other Forward Operating Base and again they’re just living like in hell and then you come back to another another like main fob and it’s all luxurious and nice and I mean it just it kind of is what it is first you know it just kind of is what it is and that actually makes sense with that theme l said about you know hey it’s the different people are they’re there they’re there for different reasons you know like we joined the SEAL Teams because what we want to do is go out and go on patrol with a machine gun that’s like 100 percent right of why you joined the SEAL Teams some of that goes you’re hoping for a fight like you’re praying for war yeah and sure I remember like being out there man I remember my very first up when I we we flew into this to to this village and I remember being like super nervous and like holy shit I’m fucking Navy SEAL and I’m actually going on my first mission like holy shit and I’m just thinking like when we land we landed at like 3 a m or something and that and we we offset like way far away but I was thinking like it’s gonna be guns blazing as soon as this helo laughs I jump out the he load and I’m just like full-blown ready for war like what up bring it on let’s go where’s Ben love and it was just pitch black quiet and sat there for fucking hours and you know till the Sun came up nothing happened I was like god damn it I was so disappointed you know because I was looking forward and like war and then you know obviously we got we got plenty yeah I yeah I remember just being real antsy to to get in a firefight in you know to to do what I’ve been trained to do and put my training to the test you know and yeah it’s different for other people who are not experienced is may vary yeah there’s no doubt about that so did when you went to bat when you got home and you got put into new platoon did you guys keep a core group of guys from your from your previous platoon together or was it like brand new no no we we had guys that stayed and and some went you know to trade it and some screen and standard tournament standard shit few a few core guys stayed together four or five or whatever yeah and then you guys got a new chief gonna do oh I see yeah assistant to commander yeah yeah that was man God thank I I am so I so do not miss having fucking 20 bosses you know in the military and then every you know at the drop of a hat it can change and then all of a sudden it’s like nope new flavor we’re now we’re you know it’s like Oh Jacko’s now our fuckin commander so we’re all waking up at 4:30 and going to PT it’s like what the fuck when did this happen this is bullshit jack and as you get you do another workup yep and I always wanted to be a dog handler this route and I I tried to volunteer to be a dog handler as a new guy and they said no you know they want you to go yeah they want you to to here’s your dog names 48 and make it bark yeah so yeah now I got to to do the dog handling thing and was super super excited about that and it was it was honestly such a great time I had a badass dog and I was his first handler and yeah it was it was super cool because you know one I was I was on one platoon wonder so I had already kind of gotten that Afghanistan gotten some combat under my belt and you know I was the classic worst the worst guy in the team’s is a 1 platoon wonder and so I was full-blown just water cruise wondered you knew everything 100% and and I got a fucking dog my dog was super cool and they like they’re the there was six of us that went over to work with the dogs and we all got along really well and and that was super cool because now you’re not a new guy finally you know and I mean even on our deployment in Afghanistan we were still fucking doing new guy shit you’re here a new guy you’re fucking new guy I couldn’t fucking believe it I’m like what we literally they’ve made us shovel rocks one time they like a whole like dumpster or dump truck full of rocks and they just we just moved it from one pile and just tent over like 10 15 feet to the right and we just moved the pile of rocks to this make a new pile 15 feet to the right and it was it was a disciplinary thing it wasn’t you know all the new guys your attitudes not good and we’re just like are you fucking serious like we were just in a firefight with you like you know we’re not like we’re expecting the like b-boys now and they’re like shut up new guys your attitude sucks go shovel rocks and you know we were like literally having to burn shit you know burn our own shit we had we had barrels that we had wrapped up that cordon around and cut in half and filled with diesel fuel and those were our those were our shitters but they needed burned so when when the when the new guys you know when when we didn’t have the best attitudes or our attitudes weren’t up to par we shoveled rocks and burn shit so I was definitely happy to not be a new guy anymore here but anyway yeah so I won’t between wonder had a dog and got to go through another work up with the dog so that was super cool and and got to go through dog training school and and learn about the dogs and and yeah unfortunately like right right before it was we were on like pre-deployment leave and they had told us like hey change of plans we’re going now we’re going to you come so we don’t need the dog anymore yeah and I was like fuck man this isn’t like a piece of equipment I mean that’s essentially how the Navy looks out of them they are they are equipment but you know obviously it’s a dog and you be you you formed this like super strong bond and attachment with them just like they’re your pet and my dog was super awesome and I had worked with him so much you know it’s like a robot is like a it was so cool and I was fucking so pissed off when they just dropped that on us and it’s just like yeah they hand the leash over to someone else and yeah so did that and then went to you come and and you know a lot of guys were fucking super pissed off that we were going to you come and you know I I was definitely looking forward to using my dog and and you know doing that in Afghanistan but you know this is what it is you you know I definitely knew that there wasn’t I didn’t see any value in just bitching about it and it seemed like that was like the common thing was just it was it seemed almost like if you weren’t bitching about it then you were looked at as a turd and like if you you know if you weren’t bitching louder than the guy next to you then you’re you’re you know man I’m so just point we’re not going to Afghanistan yeah me too I’m super disappointed like yeah well I can’t even sleep at night you look well I don’t even want to fucking go you know like the you know it’s just yeah I just realized just to shed some light up to everyone so when you deploy in a seal platoon or a seal troop you can deploy different parts of the world sometimes you deploy to places like Iraq and Afghanistan which as we just kind of discussed that’s where everybody wants to go well 95 percent well you never know what the real number is there’s something you don’t wanna go but there’s there’s the attitude most guys want to go and they want to go fight but there’s also you have to deploy to other parts of the world where there’s no war going on you might just deploy to the Pacific or you might deploy in this case you calm is for European Command so that’s going over to Germany and doing doing things out of Germany in different parts of Europe and it’s definitely not a high threat and finally and so yeah and and that’s the way it goes sometimes there’s a mission that has to be done and it’s a different kind of mission you’re going to build relationships with other countries and you do these exercises and do training events but it’s not generally what guys are excited to do in the SEAL Teams so there’s always there’s always a you know I always get asked that question what I want to go and talk to seals is hey my guys are going here how do I keep them on you know how do I keep them how do I keep them engaged when ya did no one wants to do it or they don’t care about it and it’s like yeah you got to work through that it’s definitely it’s definitely a challenge because you know I would imagine especially if you know like that you’re going to you come and then starting that work up because you still have to go through the workup and train as if you know your fucking life depends on it and you’re going to war and you know that you’re the elite you know warrior and you have to be ready for anything so you like obviously our training is developed around that but then having to keep up that motivation like it’s it’s one thing when you’re like fuck t this training sucks and it’s I’m tired it’s hot I’m you know like fucking covered in shit or whatever and I’ve got a hike twelve miles carrying this thing and it’s like well you got to do it though because we’re going to fucking war like this serious you know but then it’s like why don’t you come in why the fuck are we even training today I mean but I don’t know so I didn’t really have that that attitude though I was kind of excited to you know I had just gotten we just done that that year deployment to Afghanistan and it was you know and my platoon was the one that was really really shitty shitty living the other two platoons were in Nice bases that they were like had an awesome gyms like good food and and stuff like that and you know so I wasn’t I wasn’t too terribly upset about it obviously like everyone wants to go work and and kill bad guys like a champion but you know when you when you got to do it that and it is what it is you might as well fucking enjoy it that’s why I feel might as well make the most of it at what point did you start jiu-jitsu I started I started jiu-jitsu actually in buds that was my introduction to buds one of our buds instructors was he he was interested in jiu-jitsu and liked it or whatever and so as a punishment one day we had to do wet and Sandy jiu-jitsu like introduction to jiu-jitsu and like a lot of guys were we’re not enjoying it because one if you’ve never done jiu-jitsu you’re 100% gonna get fucked up by anyone who has done it and we were wet in sandy so it was like just cold and wet and miserable and sandpaper like grinding on each other you know but I actually really enjoyed it I was like holy shit this is pretty cool and one of the guys there was two guys in our class that were both really high level wrestlers like in high school and um and they were probably like on a blue belt level you know they were probably like a hundred and thirty-five hundred forty-five pounds and at the time I was around 185 hundred ninety pounds I’d done never done jujitsu ever or wrestled or anything like that and I always punched you know I knew a punched hard cuz been in a lot of fights like street fights and shit and bar fights but at that point sorry I wasn’t bar fight so it was like high school fights dodge ball fights okay I did get in a dodge ball fight once no bullshit and so anyway these these little guys just tied me in a fucking not and I was just so impressed like because I’m looking at these dudes I would be like 100% I will fuck this guy up in a fight and we you know they were like alright no striking no no no punching but we’re gonna grapple like and we’re grappling and they’re just completely fucking me up and I was like thinking oh my god if these little itty-bitty men can tie me in a knot like this and just make me helpless like imagine what I could do if I learned this so I started rolling with one of my friends who was like 6 to 240 pounds at the time and just super aggressive and he was probably around a blue belt level of knowledge maybe not quite a blue belt you know but he knew definitely more than I did and we you know he was really aggressive too and and and he was like all about rolling so we would roll nogi and he would just Constance was where I this is it buds or Ian’s buds and then buds and then sqt you know buzz was the introduction to it and I was like well I can love this is cool and then I started talking to one of my classmates who is also into it and you know he had done he had done some training before the Navy and like I said he was around a blue belt level so when you got to team 10 did you start training at media they’re one of the academies now I didn’t start training at one of the academies until after Afghanistan I came back and because one of the guys one of my like my C daddy he was he was a purple belt at the time and um we would roll on occasion you know in and he would be like and he would tell me like man you have like great you know aggression and an ability in all this shit but you got to go to an academy and then learn you know I had only learned just from that guy that dude beat my ass over and over and he would literally like just just fucking get on top pressure grind arm triangle you know and he’d be like all right man you know I got on top you know fucking I’m trying to I squeezed like that don’t let me do that again like all right got it yeah try harder try harder you know you you know you gotta do something doing anything I mean so it was one of those so I had gotten pretty good at just getting my ass kicked and dealing with a big large human or whatever so then when I actually showed up to an Academy I’d been doing that for a couple years you know with him and never put on a gear or anything like that but then afterwards yeah he was like you got to join gym so I joined a gym put on the key and and then really like that’s when my jujitsu I say really started my journey and that was in 2012 did you have someone to train with on your EUCOM deployment um yeah trained with my see daddy he was there and I trained and you come like we were obviously going to different countries so I would go and hit up different gyms and the different countries and then all the other the other countries SEAL Teams you know that we worked with there’s always someone who’s in the combatives you know so I would basically just find out who that guy was what’s to get so yeah if he wants to get some and then we’d roll the mats out and fucking train and and I was trying to get guys in that jujitsu back then and I was telling them you know it’s a great workout and people will just look at me like that’s not a fucking workout and you know you’re not lifting weights you’re not running and I’m like dude it is a workout for sure and it’s you know one that that I thought the reason I liked jujitsu specifically was because it was like a deadly martial art you know I could fucking choke you and like you’re tapping your you’re asking me like please don’t kill me you know and that’s what I thought was fucking cool about it and that is definitely one of the cool things about it you know like there’s there’s times where I don’t know you yeah like we’re we’re gunfighters I get it but your first line is should be you like my my body what can I do with my fucking vessel that I was brought into this universe with like versus you if I don’t have a weapon if I don’t you know it’s just me and you yeah one-on-one like yeah I mean I got to see like over and over again just guys that didn’t know how to didn’t know anything and they’d get in a simple prisoner handling situation and wouldn’t be able to handle someone and the only thing that they would know to do is like bludgeon them in the head which is cool that’s fine I get it but when you bring that person into the detainment facility and they’re freaking all jacked up and then it turns out that they’re not the person you were looking for or whatever and and that just doesn’t that’s just not this is not cool and it’s not it’s not tactically the best thing to do because you don’t have the control I mean you can’t count on punching someone or hitting them in the head you can’t count on that solving the problem whereas jiu-jitsu it’s like ya know I have this human under control whereas you can you know you’ve punched people before that you’ve nailed them and they shook it off like it didn’t even happen you know the whole thing with like muzzle strikes I’ve seen I’ve had guys I mean I’ve muzzle struck plenty of people but like I’ve had guys that I’ve seen put the craziest most aggressive muscle strike on a dude and have the dude bleeding yeah but like still fighting yeah I do think you’re Enel ins a fucking and so so yeah from the especially when people are in fear for their life oh yeah definitely and they hate you and they hate your society and they’re a jihadist it’s like yeah they’re that muzzle strike if it doesn’t knock him out what sure it is possible but the idea that that was just gonna stop someone and attract 100% of the time was completely ludicrous now with jiu-jitsu at least you’re gonna have some control more control and even that’s not a hundred percent you know because you could you know you’ve got someone that’s really small against someone that’s really big and depending on your skill level there could be issues there but yeah so you finally started training at a school yeah 2012 yeah they used of in all the way yeah I started I started training at a school in 2012 and started competing in jiu-jitsu you know I really once I once I joined a school I learned more in six months than I did in four years of course noogie rolling with my buddies you know and I mean that is just the blind leading the blind essentially like who knows the most today and it’s like you guys are all fucking wrong we’re all teaching each other wrong shit you know what I mean so I learned more in six months and I did that whole time and so I and at that point I’d really like fallen in love with jiu-jitsu and I started competing all the time and was doing really well because I was a I was competing as a white belt you know but I had already had a shitload of grappling experience you know with fucking big strong dudes who were just fucking me up but now like now I’m the big strong guy and I know a little bit and I’ve been in like hard situations on the mat you know what I mean and then obviously just the the team guy just will to fight you know that’s always a different level and you can tell when you roll with a teammate even when a team guys brand-new at jujitsu there’s they’re still going to be there you can just tell that they’re different because their will to fight is is generally higher yeah so anyway I start competing a lot and doing really well and then started fighting and doing really well in that as well and then you know that led me to what I’m doing now and then you actually took over when you came home from you you come to plum you took over the combatives program yeah yeah I I took over the combatives program that was something that you know I felt like kind of lacked in in the SEAL Teams you know I was very shocked at that I was surprised at that you know obviously we’re where the seals are the best in the world you know at what we do and you know we’re gunfighters and and all that shit but I would I imagined that our hand-to-hand combat you know like everyone thinks like oh if I can see only must you know tapped me on the shoulder and I’ll and I’ll die you know and that’s true just for everyone’s listening it’s definitely true but I hadn’t gone to that school yet so I was like confused as to why that wasn’t a school or whatever so anyway I I felt like with at this point I was I was competing quite a bit and having having some pretty good success in the fight MMA Jitsu world and I’d also had you know real world experience you know a lot of real world experience dealing with prisoner handling and stuff like that and um and I just felt like I felt like I could bring I felt like I could do a good job at leading the combative so I took that on board and and they gave me a shot and I rewrote the curriculum for combatives that we used on the on the East Coast and it was it was really good you know and and I went into with the operationally focused mindset you know not if if you’re doing it I’m all about jiu-jitsu I love jiu-jitsu however if you’re doing a triangle choke on target something’s probably gone terribly wrong we roll you know but it’s it’s definitely not a bad thing to know jiu-jitsu you know what I mean especially as an operator you’re dealing with human beings and you’re not just you know you’re not just gonna go in and fucking kill everyone on target you know there it could that happen yeah absolutely but is that gonna happen probably not and you’re gonna have to deal with human beings and you know anything from just marshaling them to a full-on fight for your life is combatives related you know so I covered all of that in my program and and I really focused on basic simple things that you could remember during a time of stress you know like you’re not going to remember twelve steps to an armbar something like that when you’re in a situation and you need it you know what I mean especially in a combative situation overseas like that’s your Adrenaline’s gonna be going like crazy it’s gonna be fast you need something simple effective and that you know that you can remember easily and it’s also you know it is like in a in a workup you’re you’re getting fed through a firehose essentially there’s so much shit you’re you’re learning and you’re expected to be proficient and like perfect that all of it before you go out the door so our combative is we didn’t get a whole lot of time you know it’s like a two-week thing and so I I really focused on developing techniques and things that you know and would also be effective effective towards your enemy or your person that you were dealing with but also mitigate risk to the operator you know like muzzle strikes are great because you can muzzle strike a hundred people in a row and your hands feel fine you know you’re not worried about breaking your weapons in control yeah so you know that was kind of my focus was operationally focused mindset and you know and on the west coast I felt like yeah from what I had seen going out there and working with those guys it was a lot of I felt like more guys were interested in combatives but though it was more of like a sporty kind of thing like they were up in the fight room doing jujitsu and stuff like that and which at which I thought was great like I said it’s better it’s definitely better to to you know have it not need it than he did not have it and so I think that it was good that guys were doing that but I didn’t think that it was operationally focused enough you know like I don’t think that you should be training combatives and peaky gear you know like I had my I liked the program that I set up was all scenario driven and it was all like train like you fight you know so in your in your camis in your boots with your gear you know cuz handling someone in PT gear versus handling someone and you know full kit is totally different as well yeah yeah well there’s it’s uh you know I was the the discussion that used to happen a lot with all this stuff because believe me I was in this discussion for a low knowledge area on dive you you reach or you get a ton of fuckin push man people are super people are simple emotional about and that about combatives and you know I would always like I wasn’t I wasn’t as emotional as I wasn’t very emotional about it but it for me it was just like hey guys need to know how to do this this is this isn’t about emotion this is about just the facts of being ready to be prepared being prepared on the battlefield that’s what you need to be and you know one of the things that people would say was you know the like the speed shooting contests you shouldn’t do that because it’ll take away from your operational capability okay I get it however who does better on the range the guy that’s like a hobby shooter too and then goes out to whatever CQC he’s drilling nails all day long the same thing with parachuting like okay so I skydive whatever I’m a I’m a skydiver on the weekends and I like to go down and have a ton of jumps I have you know 2 000 jumps with my slick rig how do i do and i put a combat equipment on I do awesome I’m Way better than like a guy like me because I wasn’t like a recreational skydiver whenever I put equipment on it was like it was it was a I had to pay attention whereas the guys that were good skydivers in the civilian side they were good same thing with like Oh who’s gonna do better in a in a grappling match a guy that wrestled in high school with his gear on or a guy that didn’t you know has his gear on it’s like it doesn’t matter you get certain skill level and you’re gonna do great and that’s just the way it is now what you can’t do is just say oh well we’re never gonna train with gear on because there are certain you know it’s like saying hey we’re never gonna train with Iggy if you if someone never trained with Aggie before and they go against some of the key it depends on how long that person’s been training with Aggie for because hey noogie and key have all kinds of similarities they have all kinds of similarities they also have some differences and depending on how much you do of each is where you’re gonna kind of shake out which one you’re better at but there are there so much crossover between key and no key between skydiving on the weekends and skydiving in the teams and shooting on the weekends and shooting of the teams the way I always looked at it was train more train exact training all the time with everything he Oh as much as you can and that’s that’s how you get better at things but yeah that combatives thing was um it still is it still is I know it’s it’s it’s hard it’s hard to change it’s a it’s a taboo thing for some reason and and it totally depends on who’s who’s at the head of the table yeah you know what what their flavor is what their take is on it and if the guy you know is like you or me and then it’s like hey we’re all gonna fucking we all need to notice we only do it and then other guys come in they’re like oh that shit’s stupid we don’t need that yeah and I was I was when someone would say guys should be working on shooting I’d say you know I totally agree absolutely you know give us a range you know in the building and we’ll do that in the building because that’s without question our primary weapon system and you know no doubt I you want to be a great shot for sure guess what how many hours are you gonna shoot a day yeah I mean are you gonna shoot 22 hours a day cuz you’re gonna have some time at some point we go you know what let’s get some other skills in here you know we might as well know and like you said earlier you can’t just go you don’t just go on target and shoot everyone there’s a there’s a female you know Dave Burke who’s one of the guys at national on front good – yeah he has a he has a story that he tells about the first time he came face to face with like Iraqi woman that did not want him in the house and he’s you know whatever a 18 year Marine at this point and he didn’t know what to do yeah and it’s like yeah you you you need to train you need to train to handle those situations and and a lot of people you know the people are unpredictable they sure are just totally unpredictable and especially in a situation where they don’t know like a bunch of people with guns and body armor just busted up in their fucking house like do you think that person’s gonna be like just cool as a cucumber or calm like I don’t know and then when you put hands on people two people freaked the fuck out and and you know and you don’t need to just muzzle strike everyone like you said like if you do that you’re gonna get shut down real quick they’re gonna mean and you should be as an elite warrior you should be expected or at least I expect people to handle themselves like and you shouldn’t let this fucking Iraqi woman just walk all over you or fucking flail around because like you don’t know what to do I can’t muzzle striker I can’t shoot her so what do I got to do you know what I mean and if you’ve never and that’s just like a woman but if Letta now you have like a fighting age male or something and you know oh if he resists I’ll just kill no it’s not the case always you know it’s definitely not like and you know it’s you definitely don’t want the first time that you’re handling a human being like that to be overseas when it’s real and they can you know very easily get to your shit on your kit and you know it can be a bad day especially like I tell people you know just think of like muzzle muzzle discipline and awareness you know like when you have your gun even at high ready and then you’re marshalling someone and they freak the fuck out now all of a sudden you’ve got a hot weapon like going around the room it’s just shit that there’s so much things that you you need to think about and the more you do it the more comfortable you’re gonna be with it and that was kind of my mindset towards it at what point did you realize you were gonna get out well I wasn’t I wasn’t sure I was fighting and stuff and I was just kind of doing that as as for fun as a hobby on the weekends and competing and stuff like that and then I gone out and trained at Black House with some UFC fighters and I had over it I had always like looked at the UFC you know as I was I was always a fan and I enjoyed fighting and stuff and but I’d always looked at those guys like they were kind of superhuman or like like it was like the NFL of fighting like those guys are genetic freaks or whatever you know what I mean when you think of someone in the NFL you’re just like man it must be nice to be born like that you know or whatever what Fighting’s kind of a unique thing where I don’t know anyone can do it and as long as you just put in the the work you know what I mean so and being a genetic freak helps too but uh but I’d gotten there I got in the black house and I trained with some of the people in the UFC and I was just like holy shit like I’m actually like doing fine like I’m hanging with these guys and and um you know talking to them and and just kind of getting to know some of these guys and just made it a little more human you know it’s like well what did you do before you were fighter like oh I fucking worked at a restaurant you know I was a busboy or whatever I was you know this that third and I was just thinking you know and they’re all looking at me like dude you’re fucking Navy SEAL like and I’m just like yeah but that’s all I’ve ever known that’s all I’ve ever done I did right out of high school you know and uh and I’m just me you know and I know like I’m not special you know I mean and it just kind of made a head of like a shift or like a realization like these are just people just like you and and they just fucking stuck with fighting and practiced it until they were good enough to beat you know the competition and they’re here and I was like fuck I I can do that like I’m pretty good you know and yeah and I’ve been through some shit like I could push myself hard like fuck I can do this and at the time like I was are I’d already been a seal for a while and and you know I got to experience a ton and life and just in war and and just that whole lifestyle and that whole thing and and I was just out of crossroads you know and I was like well I can stay in and make a career out of this like I was planning on doing I was planning on staying in for 20 years and you know I can screen and you know try and make it over there and or I can get out and and kind of pursue this and and at the time I was 29 or yeah I was 27 when I was like making this decision and um I was like you know fighting is kind of a young man’s game and like you read earlier in the beginning of this like can’t you can’t even pause time you know waits for no one and I was like well if I if I just keep down this road I I don’t want to think like what if or like regret you know and I was like I’ve already I’ve already been on this path for a while and and it’s cool and all that but I want to see what else I can do so I and I was really fucking struggling with with that decision for a long time as stressing me out and then once I just said fuck it and this decided you know which way I was going then the like all that stress like relief this it was a big reliever and yeah decided to get out and there were you what year was out I got out in 2018 and how many amateur fights did you have when you were in like 17 or something and then and did you go pro while you were still in no they wouldn’t let me and that was like it was so frustrating to me because in Virginia the amateur rule set is the exact same as pro so it’s day before weigh-ins you know all strikes like no Sherman ellos no shin pads you know it’s four ounce gloves no headgear you know it’s it’s it’s a it’s fucking Pro or five-minute rounds now there were three that’s three four three minute round three little roads or three-minute rounds but some some of them had five-minute rounds like gonna fountain North Carolina so yeah it was no different you know and trying to explain that to like my command and shit and I’m like there is literally no difference and a guess what like a punch from punch in the face from an amateur feels the same I’m a pro that’s what I’ll tell you what like those that bruise that came from an amateur would have came from a pro to do what I talked to Tim Kennedy about this like it’s so crazy the army gave that guy and gives him someone he’s a great guy and obviously a credible fighter but yeah I mean he was just full-on just get he after it read well he still is yeah and they supported yeah he’s all it’s awesome they awesome date man I ran into total fucking roadblocks left and right with my fighting and you know and I used the argument all the time like guys you don’t mean stay the same way Brian stay yeah he was in the Marine Corps yeah I just a brave officer of the Marine Corps just out there fight in the WEC but the fucking boat race Tim Kennedy they they sponsored him yeah yeah it’s like Ranger up or whatever yeah well Rangers up is it’s actually Tim’s comp company no Tim but for a while Tim Tim was like he I forget the exact story but he he was sponsored by like the army yeah for a while we were using it as like a recruiter yeah and then he said listen you can either keep paying me a sponsorship or you can just let me come back on active duty and and they were like that sounds like a good financial bu for us so yeah Tim Tims yeah and that’s and that why I kind of was forced to choose because I was running into so much fucking bullshit there and you know like glory glory had come to town and they were doing a fight at the Hampton Coliseum and you know at this point I had already had quite a quite a few fights under my belt and had some popularity I guess as a fighter and and they had heard about me and they invited me to fight on the show and mike tyson was gonna be there and shit and i was like man this is gonna be a fucking huge opportunity it’s on Spike TV too and I was you know I was like can I can I fight on this and and then you know we’ll we’ll see what we can do blah blah blah and then last you know last minute they they told me no you know and I was just like fuck if I would have been your boss you would have been fight I know and that’s the shitty part is like you know it depends on who who’s at the at the table at the moment babies know now that I think about it because I’m just sitting here thinking like there’s probably a fact I remember seeing some kind of policy that they put in place at some point I forget even would see if it was yes or no I forget remember but my argument to that was like all the time was like like just same one with the skydiving you know I’m like guys fucking skydive all the time there’s leapfrogs you know why not why don’t the Navy why doesn’t the Navy use me as a recruiting tool you know like I wouldn’t I don’t want to get out of the team’s yeah I I want to stay in the teams but I also want to fight and like I can do this like I was ranked number one on the East Coast in two weight classes you know and I was like I’m pretty good at this shit like you know and it I don’t understand why we don’t utilize this utilize me as a recruiting tool you know go to the fights set up a fucking pull up bar hand out t-shirts and dry and hand you know or go to the thing they had me go to the national high school wrestling contest or tournament and they had me do like a combatives demonstration and and had me go out there and wrestle with all the the high school students and yeah fucking brought it yeah I’ll tell you what probably the you know I was up at the California State Championships last year or no it was 2019 yeah bunch of hyenas well yeah I mean my daughter was competing and but you know we’re up there and the boys they’re just animals they’re animals it’s it’s awesome to see ya yes it’s those kids were fucking tough oh yeah and they fucking they all wanted some yeah they were like and and cuz I was there in like Cammy Cammy pants you know and the fucking blue UDT seal shirts and and we brought the pull-up bar and and you know cuz the I think but buds likes they try to get wrestler server because wrestlers you know wrestlers I don’t even want to say wrestlers have a good chance of making it through buds because that’s not true it’s definitely not true a slightly better transited normal right however however wrestlers are used to a fucking grind and that’s probably why they’re a little bit more comfortable and used to the grind factor of buds that does not mean they’re used to getting cold and wet and dealing with all that shit but they’re used to dealing with the grind so whatever and they’re competitive so so we went there and yeah all those all these fucking high school wrestlers are looking at me like I got something to prove you know or whatever and and I’m out there representing the fucking SEAL Teams I’m like I got something proved too let’s go young buck and so we we know it was a good time but I was like why don’t they fucking they’re cool with this but not like fighting like what’s the difference like I don’t know so I just ran into tons of frustrating headaches like that and that’s what ultimately decided to you know I was just decided to go go this way and I’m glad I did but and that’s what you know I gotta say like the SEAL Teams I never tried to fight pro but like the SEAL team it was totally support like I would go and train at places they’d give me well less customers there are a lot different in these guys you guys were definitely more supported on that kind of stuff extracurricular so you get out and then when did you go pro right after here I got out so you’ve been pro for me a year and a half two years right yeah yeah yeah but how many fight pro fights do you have I’ve only done two pro fights so far I won my first one by TKO in the third round it was a good really good fight against another pro who he was a pro boxer as well and he had called me out and kind of campaigned for the fight or whatever and cool so I pledged and and then and then I did my LFA debut I fight in a Sun gun I don’t know if you’ve seen any pictures or videos I mean I have unfortunately seen their you can’t unsee it so that’s actually my buddy Jeff gum he owns that company yeah so so obviously like I try to support other team guys and and their ventures and stuff like that and you know I’m that was right up my alley with the I thought it was funny I’ll pretty much do anything if I think it’s funny and so I fought in the Sun go which is for those you don’t know it’s kind of looks like a American flag diaper sort of thing but it’s sex yeah well it’s from Brazil in Brazil there’s a Sun gun there’s a Sun gal and I think this Sun guys like the smaller one and the Sun Gow is like a little bit but they’re their speedos yeah essentially so their speedos and Dean Lister because he has so much Brazilian influence in his brain he went through his phase of training with a song Gao and and that those are some of the worst years of my life don’t know no itself we can’t do that today yeah so I’m not a very anti Sangha and some Gao well but you you know you go for it well I de it’s if if I wouldn’t I would make me want to fight you les yeah if you were wearing that so you got that little psychologic or it was like confusing to them yeah you know we just mean did you let were you watching like UFC when everyone was when all the Brazilians were still wearing them in UFC and they still do sometimes yeah yeah I’ve seen some yeah anyways but I thought it was funny so I so I got a little patch sewn into it so I could put my cup in it and that was my my new fighting attire and yeah I went out it couldn’t have I don’t it was awesome will say that I went out I fought on LFA on national TV and I would it was during a Military Appreciation fight and so we did they hosted the fight at an army base and it was in a hangar you know with helicopters and we’ve got all these people all these active duty army people in their uniforms and stuff in the crowd and you know Here I am the the Navy SEAL and the American flag speedo and and come out to fight and got knocked out thirty seconds so I was like get really that much worse from here so that’s cool but now it was it was actually they called it the craziest 31 seconds in LFA history yeah I watched it I watched it it was no I don’t have a lot of time to watch fights yeah I had time for life yeah oh yes I saw a link I think you posted it somewhere else yeah I mean which some which so many people were were soaked like they were like wow I can’t believe you posted this and they sat him down first right didn’t you sit him down no so he had a 14-inch reach on me he’s 663 and fucking big-ass dude and honestly like I didn’t even know like we were we were real cordial with each other like at weigh-ins and stuff like that so I wasn’t sure if like we were gonna touch gloves or not you know because it’s always kind of a I feel like they should just like make that a rule like ure you you either do or you don’t it’s a rule with me now but I wasn’t sure if we were gonna touch gloves or not and like kind of coming out dude he honestly he hit me like I didn’t even know he could reach me from where he was and it was just like I think from that that that big wake I do a big weight cut and I think it just you know just fucking just put me on queer Street right away and so right out of the gate side I was rocked and and was kind of fell down and was just getting he’d swarm me and I was just getting punches thrown at me left and right and I’m just kind of like seeing stars trying to gain my composure and then I finally like got backed up in into one against the cage and and gained my composure for a second landed a one clean one two and dropped him and then ran over like got excited when I dropped him down kind of went over towards him and and fucking just I think probably my coordination was just kind of off still from just getting rocked and and I literally just tripped right over head over him over his body and then as we’re both standing up he fucking threw another punch and that was it so and then I was just like god damn it I’m a fucking Navy SEAL on a army base like fighting an American flag speedo a national TV and just got knocked the fuck out yeah I don’t know what to tell you yeah no that’s that’s a man you’re getting out there hey yeah there’s gonna be a winner to loser that’s ain’t and if you the real losers are the ones that are actually not getting in the ring yeah you know a lot a lot more times than that I’ve come out victorious so it is what it is I don’t it didn’t slow me down doesn’t bum me out or whatever just part of it and I I understand that going into it it’s a risk I’m willing to take yeah what’s your next fight we’re setting up one looking at August 25th in Riverside hopefully with the LFA so hopefully that goes through and and I’ll be all set to go ready I do a little boater yet now I don’t care who it is just I just want someone yeah I don’t care like I I never really care who my opponent is honestly I don’t I don’t look at really their skill set or I never have really I don’t care because I’ve dealt with people just so much and like combatives and and jujitsu and fighting it’s just like people are unpredictable and that’s what I stick with like you may think you have a game plan figured out and then all of a sudden they do something different and I don’t even want to be thinking about oh well I thought he was gonna do this and I had this set up for this and you know what I mean like I I know what you mean I will say this when you find out who your opponent is you got to watch him you got to watch some you gotta at least figure out because there’s people that have things they have their game and if they have that game and you and you know about it as you know like if if you know I’m good at whatever you’ll defend that thing right and if you don’t know it well then I’ll get you in that situation right if you really looks like what welcome to anybody anybody if you everyone’s got that thing at their game that they’re good at right and like in jiu-jitsu hey this guy’s got a good guillotine this guy’s got a good arm lock this guy’s got good heel hooks or whatever everyone’s got their little thing and if they’re good at it then that’s what they’ll kind of steer you towards but yeah so I was in I always say look I get it we don’t care the opponent is but when you find out who your opponent is take a look you know sit send it to me let me look at you know what I mean because like I’ve been watching these things forever to say hey looks like this guy’s got this and you also have to watch more than you know to watch like three or four fights and see if they have any grappling tournaments that are posted on Naga or whatever on YouTube you know you find out what kind of game they have and if you can do that then you can learn from it and you can take it into the you can take it into the cage with you yeah now I I’m definitely not opposed to doing that at all I just I just don’t put all my eggs in the pusher you know what I mean that way I don’t if if shit doesn’t go according to plan like that’s cool because they’re just off – yeah – evolve but guess what they’ll go back – they’ll go back to what they’re good at your and I mean so that’s another thing to think about and cool I saw that glory that actual story when I had gotten told no that I wasn’t able to do that fucking event in in Hampton Roads so I was really bummed out and so I ended up actually just calling I already like had decided at that point I was like you know it fucked this I’m getting out of the Navy like I’m I don’t want I don’t want to be told what I can and can’t do or whatever you know what I mean like and so I called the the guy back and said well when’s it in next one and he was like oh we got it we got another another one coming up in San Diego and I said put me on that one and I so I just took leave and was I am I’m just going to San Diego and I ended up fighting in the glory here in San Diego I just took leave and and went out there and did it anyway and ended up knocking the guy out in the second round right off that’s pretty good outcome well this is a pretty good spot since we’re up to current events what else I know you got your supplement company you got t-shirts what else how can people support what you got going on I would say the biggest biggest way is probably on Instagram that’s my really my only platform I put out a lot of content on Instagram I do my live streams from there I thought about doing a podcast as well but but I think I’m just gonna stick to my Instagram lives and just kind of treat them as podcasts or whatever because I like talking and interacting with with my supporters a lot and you know so and I figure people get bored just talking to me for a long time in a room like this I don’t know but uh yeah I would say follow me on instagram at at mitch Aguiar and yeah we’ve got a supplement company our main product is a thing called the smashing greens it’s what I gave you today yeah and that that actually is a blend of different organic superfoods so I watched this documentary called fat sick and nearly dead I don’t know if you’ve seen it or not I haven’t thought it’s on Netflix and uh this guy he he was really overweight and had this some sort of skin disease and he ended up getting a juicer and ended up doing 60 days of just vegetable juice and he ended up losing a ton of weight and his skin disease cleared up and just like the doctors were just like blown away at at how healthy he had become you know just from from doing all this and learned about micronutrients and all this stuff so I was like man that seems like a cool cool thing like I want to try it you know I’ve never fasted before or anything like that and I went out and bought a juicer and it was it was fucking pain in the ass to clean that thing like three times a day and I was having I had to buy like $30 worth of vegetables every day to make enough juice to you know put into a glass that would somewhat keep me full and I was just like there’s gotta be a better way than this shit and so ended up going to a vitamin shop and saw like organic freeze-dried wheatgrass you just add water to and I was like oh my god that’s so much better you know so I went and basically picked out a bunch of ingredients that I did research on that you know things that I wanted and and put them all into like a shaker cup and added water and drank it and did did a fast that way and it was obviously much cheaper much better like just more convenient everything like that and I just didn’t have anything in a post on Instagram one day and and so I just shared it I was just like hey this is kind of a concoction that I came up with and and I do my I do a 5 day fast like this and just kind of it makes me feel good it helps me lose weight and then I started doing that like cutting weight for my fights and and then people it just fucking caught on like wildfire like everyone was like what is that what is that and then I was like look I’m not associated with these companies at all you know like these aren’t I don’t get it paid for this like this is just here this is what I do and like put it laid it all out there and it’s like you can get all these products on Amazon or your local vitamin shop or whatever and just made it as idiot proof as I could and I was just getting bombarded with questions non-stop but but it was like a lot of people were having like a ton of success fasting with that and losing weight so I was like well that’s pretty cool you know like I’m really I’m down to help people you know better themselves and I enjoy like pushing people and pushing myself and trying to be better and everything so so I stuck with it and just kept kept answering all the questions or whatever and then after like a year and a half or so I ended up making my own you know it’s just like well I might as well fucking make this my own product and so I found a way to to kind of make that come to life and took all those products basically and just put them into one removed all the fillers and all the bullshit in there and just I was like you know I didn’t know anything about the supplement industry or anything like that I just never intended on non doing that but it just kind of came about and you know delivered a product that was way more convenient and everyone was already using and buying all these other things and now now it’s like my product and they’re able to support me and now it’s like I don’t you know I don’t have an issue answering these questions now that you’re buying my product you know what I mean so now it’s it’s been super awesome because we’ve had just a ton of people lose so much weight and like my brother lost 110 pounds you know using that so it really works which is cool you know and and it’s really helpful for people and changing their lives and like I’m all about that and now like it’s supporting me financially now that I’m not out you know in the Navy anymore because I didn’t I didn’t get a retirement or anything like that I just got out so so yeah that’s super cool and the supplement in company but now that I’ve been in it for a little while like I’m starting to get more understanding of it and and we’re we’re doing pre-workout protein BCAAs and all that stuff like kind of expanding it and and you know now I’m like really involved with it and and I’m just treating it like everything else like I always tried to you know under-promise and over-deliver and like I always want to make sure that like people are getting like a something good you know I don’t want to ever feel like I won or got one over something like that like when people come to use my products like I want them to be like a fucking satisfied there for sure it means that’s the best policy to have make the best yeah so just don’t skimp you know like my my my end game is not to make the most profit like I want an actual good fucking product like that my name’s behind you know and I’m proud of what’s the what’s the website you can either go to smashing frog dot-com or massive supplements calm mas F supplements calm either when they go to the same place but yeah and we got t-shirts and stuff but I’m I’m basically streamlining my t-shirts because I had massive apparel and I just made a bunch of t-shirts that that I wanted to make you know that were like personal to me like the mindset everything attitude is contagious don’t be a pussy be humble you know these are shirts that like I’ve kind of made all the shirts that I want to make and I made him I was kind of a t-shirt snob before I had my company and then once I made my company and like got into the apparel industry like I just wanted like really comfortable nice fitting good quality t-shirts and printed my own shit on them and that’s all I wear now but I’m just streamlining it down to a couple that I like and I’m actually launching a new brand pretty soon that I’m very excited about : cool right over there so if you follow me on instagram you’ll you can keep up with all that stuff I got going on and and watch my future fights and hopefully I don’t get knocked out echo you got anything what happened with that dodgeball fight you’re talking about oh man it was oddly enough it was in a church also so I got into a dodgeball Church fighting dodgeball Church would you win that one I did right knock the guy’s teeth out um we we were there to practice our dodgeball and um we were taking it very seriously you know because there was a tournament coming up that I think had like a $500 prize which when you’re like sixteen five hundred dollars is yeah that’ll go along go a long way so you know the stakes were high and we were we’re we were there and there was some local jokers that were just you know not taking it seriously and like just fucking with our practice and stuff and dude if there’s one thing that makes me angry legitimately angry is when people are taking dodgeball says it was there was a time for joking around there was a time for seriousness and you know that wasn’t the time and ended up you know I ended up saying something to this dude and just just kind of fucking mouthed off and you know my tempers tempers flared and escalated yeah things escalated and ended get into like a full-on brawl laying on the husband’s game bro as a judge brawl it’s time to crawl thank you well awesome um hey speaking of fighting sure and smashing things sir I mean echo yes we want to be better at fighting we want to be better at living what do you got what do you got for us I had a few things so we’ll start with jiu-jitsu right like you know be better I’m starting to like noogie better I would say just because I feel like it’s more applicable to the cage however you know I like jock I was saying earlier I agree wholeheartedly I think that everyone who trains jiu-jitsu should train in Aggie as well because you know there are a lot of similarities and I feel like if you only train nogi and then you go against someone with a put Aggie on with any sort of decent skill level you’re gonna get fucking choked for sure yeah and it just the ghee slows everything down and it’s a it’s a totally different animal and the thing is like you can train in Agee all the time and take the ghee off and roll with someone no ghee and you’re you’re gonna do fine you’re still doing jiu-jitsu you know what I mean it’s a different game but it’s not that much different but going from noogie to ghee very different so that’s why I think I think people should definitely train in Agee still yeah agree yeah both is best for sure yeah the GI adds these elements that if you only train nogi you’re not used to those elements and if someone else is used to those elements all the nogi out well most of the nogi elements are in the ghee you know like those elements are there for the most part of course clothes you know like using like an if you were getting a street fight like you can use clothes like a ghee right so it gives you even that many more options yeah for sure yeah agree well speaking of geez well G we’re gonna get everyone’s doing jiu-jitsu no I feel like it’s growing essentially so what kind of gear we getting or Jinky you know why are we getting or gingy’s because they’re made in America and they are factually the best skis in the world rash guards as well okay so where do we get and we get them at origin Maine dot-com that’s also where we’re getting genes yeah and by the way and I got mine by the way approval level 100 you know I’m always reluctant to sing you know hundred one percent approval but here I’m gonna say it one hundred one percent approval because they exceeded literally exceeded my expectations your expectations were high worried a hundred percent I was like yeah the way you’re talking the way I think you know PD does a good job in building these things up you know he’s taking close-up pictures of the buttons coming out of the factory that is it’s really good so I’m like alright expectation expectation level is high 100% these have to be five-star genes essentially they’re like five star plus some added things that I was impressed with so yes 100 101 percent approval yes so genes you can get them t-shirts rash guards supplement up supplements yes so what kind of supplements joint warfare mmm which I’m happiest man I’ve been on the joint Wharf I think it’s been one year consistent joint warfare krill oil so approved 100% of Peru actually adding value providing value even beyond what you might think in the beginning because you know one you know when we’re young you know we’re all young guys or whatever you don’t care that you know you have muscle soreness you have all this stuff where the joint soreness is one of those things that just kind of creeps up on you but if you’re on top of that that doesn’t take it you don’t take you out of game if you’re not ready preventative yeah and when it comes about I’d get like elbow stuff from lifting and stuff but if if I was on like joint warfare glucosamine chondroitin any any one of these things that they did recommend when I started grappling by the way if I was on that I would have never got out of the game yeah at any point unless the point is get your joint more fair get your krill oil and stay on that get your discipline to fully get your discipline discipline is like all day now yes sir that’s kind of where it’s going it’s yeah it’s like guess what I’m just drinking oh I’m just gonna have some discipline right it’s how you poured this is this what you’re talking yeah yeah it’s just hastiness and goodness free mission is this a pre-workout yeah it’s it’s not like a super um yeah there’s not like a super caffeinated deal cuz I don’t drink a lot of caffeine and I don’t want to drink a lot of caffeine so yeah you little cognitive a little physical okay and you and you just sip this all day yeah I have like some and then I won’t drink it like after dinner you know because I there’s a little bit of caffeine in it and I don’t drink a lot of caffeine so not even in the mornings when you when you’re waking up no there’s a little bit i have ct2 the white tea has some caffeine in it too so I guess I do drink caffeine but I don’t drink high doses like like a like a monster energy drink or whatever yeah it makes this peak of energy drink we got our energy but no but it’s it’s actually good for you which is completely it’s like we it’s hard to call it an energy drink because energy drink puts it in a in a category with things that are actually horrible for you yeah right like there’s normal energy drinks that are just horrible for you this is something that you can legitimately just drink and it’s good for you yeah so that’s coming out you’ll see some cans of that in the near future oh yeah that’s the good Oh awesome milk mm-hmm you want a dessert if you want extra protein in the form of the dessert that’s it monk all flavors I like that to say if you want to use or even me chocolate yes I have a mint chocolate protein as well and I was my my protein or my supplements took a long time to come out like wait I’m sure if you’ve encountered whenever you’re dealing with any kind of putting out something never goes according to plan as always longer than you’re expecting or whatever and I had done a mint chocolate die that was just I’ve been a huge fan of mint my whole life mint chocolate whatever deliciousness and I saw that you put out a mint chocolate and I was like god damn it everyone is gonna think I copied or they’ll probably think like dang I thought I was the only one who love mint chocolate better than everything else like yeah well we all kind of do me Jocko with bow seals both like jujitsu both like mint chocolate yeah well same thing with Pete right I mean not another name seal thing but wait was he into mint chocolate or peanut butter he was into men but I think peanut butter see the peanut butter was kind of like though yeah I don’t wear well I started smashing well yeah and that makes sense because in my family you know I’m not there scar like my favorite dessert is this or that I’m not that you know but I will say that when you came out it’s almost like you know you’re you’re going public with your mint chocolate love admiration I was like eh hey me too but peanut butter chocolate has always been my close close second yeah easy money but the one that really the strawberry because it’s just so yeah good oh yeah but it strawberry’s a staple anyway you know it’s like they know everything but sounds vanilla but I’m not over here I’m not over here jumping up and down about vanilla yeah but some people I know some people are okay I’ve got a cinnamon toast crunch looming out and I’ve got to think of a name for it because okay I don’t think I can legally call it cinnamon toast crunch I thought about thinking of you know growing up I always had we were kind of not so financially gifted yeah I’m gonna call it that whatever living in a trailer yeah my mom would always get fruity Dino bites you know there you go and cinnamon toast glares that’s not what the other kids once I once I joined the Navy and started getting you know a good paycheck I just I never you know I never again I always appreciated my cereal game it was always good real stuff fruity pebbles there’s no fruity Dynamite’s in this house get out of here with that little kids need food that’s where I got warrior kid milk strawberry boom chocolate yeah let them eat and be healthy got that yeah yeah yeah my wife gets lit like she hits a point in the day where she’s like man I’m considering just to go to bed right now or two busts out a jock a white team just get a physician literally says that decision yeah and I know the feeling but man she’s really committed to it don’t go to you gotta take something or make create a supplement of some kind for a little power nap because working order you know I did start a rumor that you take naps no I freely admit that yeah open about it I realize I wrote about uh in the discipline goes freedom field manual yeah I mean if I’m really tired I elevate my feet above my heart and I set an alarm and I’ll sleep for eight minutes and and eight minutes eight minutes yeah or now yep and if you go I mean sometimes I’ll go ten but if you start going 15-20 then you then you’re like legitimately you’ll feel groggy but you know the deal man from like you were talking about sleeping in a helicopter like you wake up from those things you’re totally on fire you know sleep for ten minutes eight minutes whatever so yeah I’m I have no problem with this I the problem with me is I don’t know i eyes tend to nap better than i sleep and then like when i when i wake up my brain just starts going and i just once that happens it’s just that’s a i’m up so when you say a supplement for power naps it like helps you get into like power nap state like that guy i don’t know working it it could be secure ear cinnamon toast crunch flavored situation have you taken hypnose oh yeah so origin so we have we have this thing called hypnose which is like asleep but yeah but that’s not for now and you need some good nor eight minutes it’s you take a rail of it and you’re out for eight minutes just fully reach out and work out or nap I’m working on it well wait but technically and I don’t know this just seems like this is true power nap okay you know you have like what the five phases right of sleep yeah or six piracy insomnia yeah so yeah so you can have so you probably jet get jammed up somewhere in one of those stages right power nap is stage one I think I’m pretty sure it’s only stage one power nap that depends on how tired you are well then it won’t be considered a power nap if you’re like super tired and you go boom all the way faith Stage five sleep right you went to yeah do you have sleep apnea or anything no no yeah I don’t have I did a sleep study and I don’t have sleep apnea but I have insomnia and it’s like I wake up enough not to actually wake me up but like it’s a like I wake up don’t even know I’m awake oh you know what I mean so I wake up when I do wake up I’m fucking still exhausted yeah it’s great so one of the I actually have a CBD line as well which I don’t know if if you get into the CBD at all not really no no but one of the products that that we’re launching is a thing called green dreams and it’s a rapid dissolve it’s a rapid dissolve tablet you put on your tongue and dissolves in like 10 seconds and it’s 25 milligrams of CBD and 10 milligrams of melatonin so but that’s that’s not for an 8-minute yeah a power nap power nap that’s the green of bed situation it’s there have to go to bed nighty-night right on well the opposite of that is jock whitey cuz you don’t take that before you go to bed maybe after you wake up in the middle of the day like my wife or whatever also if you’re into deadlifting which we all are of course it’ll increase it to 8 000 pounds proven by the way double-blind triple placebo situation no joke also we have our own store chocolate store it’s called choco store we got rash guards room service yeah t-shirts you want to represent while on the path the Rutgers hats yeah for those of that like like truckers hats which apparently we do they’re nice one-size-fits-all door what about flex fit reflex fit for a while but you know I got a small head weight flex it has two sizes though I know yeah so you ready get yeah you don’t want a small medium or the large al and I don’t know nothing about this you’re not even about that at all don’t know he returned you back to it hoodies hats knob over here yeah hoodies lightweight and do you find use for a lightweight hoodie definitely all the time year-round yes sir I agree not everyone agreed with that one of theirs yes some wool yes so the ones we have yes they have a zipper I’m a fan of I’m a fan of the zipper zipper light hoodie with the pockets agree I I honestly I don’t even have any of my own in my apparel line at the moment but I’m a fan of those yeah – yeah well Bango is saying you know I mean I’m mister or heavy hoodie that’s all functional and I get it you know but a zipped up non or as ipping lightweight yeah play some warm guard without for sure and you know hopefully it looks good hope hopefully you like the design but you will be representing while you’re on the path a lot of good stuff on there Jocko store com some patches on there too i reorganize I did I made a mistake yeah hey I made a mistake I don’t want to go too deep into it but it resulted in patches not being available for a little while they’re gonna be available you know you can’t buy what’s not available so yeah yeah that’s what they’re telling me to and I was like dang okay alright so you know you learn something new every day and you know speaking of which right on top of things trying to be genitive beep baby anyway smash the like button oh my god I keep saying that to me oh she she doesn’t even know what that mean I think she halfway knows what that means it’s like smash the like button I was like Breathitt the video that you’re pretending to make doesn’t even have a like button no no you need to just I got a no no no I got a stopped her from saying that that’s what I can say but if you’re in the mood to smash if you want to subscribe to this podcast you can so do that if you want unaware of you listen but don’t forget about the warrior kid podcast which there are now three new or your kid podcasts live at this time you know good one stories from Uncle Jake stories that teach lessons an interview with John Bozak the warrior kid artist that drew Mike in a dragon is talking about how to get better at art how to use art as a tool so when we inveterate other things yeah it was good man it was good that those like I do you do any art I didn’t draw in my books no but I mean yeah I can draw yeah he sent me a man and I’m gonna post this online Americans oil paintings Oh Pharrell Ross have you been into that for like a long time was that like a new situation I did my first painting in 2000 a stir of 2016 yeah it’s what kind of new oh yes yeah like oh when I was three I did my no I’m definitely not jockle has the original logo where I have the original logo of Escalon front Jacques design actually designed some other stuff too yep that’s our intercourse so he drew it right but so disconnect was that I drew it I didn’t draw on when I am with my hand I drew it on the computer like I drew it on PowerPoint it’s so bad boy it’s so funny because when I first go any first send it to me I’m like yeah of course you drew it on PowerPoint you know it’s not like you have one of those you adds and study your chocolate you don’t have that kind stuff so but it’s not as obvious when you get it you just get the finished product and it literally looks like my daughter drew it with her left hand she’s right-handed by the way and but the concept was legitimate it was sound is what the National Front logo is at this time so you’re pushing and been received but the canoeing part of it I tried to explain it to you you know nine different times and you kept sending me back junk yeah well I mean I said okay pictures worth a thousand words I don’t feel like explaining this a thousand times if let’s just send them a rudimentary sketch of the concept which you then chiseled out into right you know yeah emphasis on the rudimentary by the way but the the comedic part of it is how it looked it looked like a child drew it so now anytime like if you ask Amalia have you been into art boom that flashes in my head and he says yes boom makes it more funny yeah I’m gonna post it online so we all can have a good laugh less yes we’re kid bought gasses out that interview with John bullseye is very good like especially like cuz it is he talks about getting like frustrated with stuff that’s little kids yeah it was good don’t forget about warrior kids soap from Irish Oaks ranch calm that young Aiden is making on his farm you get soap you can stay clean but also we have a YouTube channel if you’re interested in the video version and see what Mitch looks like I am I’m handsome you might be the buffest guess we’ve ever had right buffest yes yeah like out of 185 yeah we’ve only had like probably 10 or 15 you know how many fucking times people you and Tim Kennedy need to fight and I’m like okay have you seen can Tim Kennedy’s way bigger than me first of all fights at 85 I know yeah what do you fight at 70 yeah 70 I’ve walked around I have fought at 185 as well as a champion at 185 to I walk around close to 200 yeah yeah yeah else no team is like 215 220 he’s a big dude I’ve met just in passing I shook his hand one time but yeah he’s a big dude and uh but I was always I always tell me like that’s not way of like kind of like similar stories like there’s it wouldn’t make sense for us double yeah they just want to see Andy what a psychological warfare is an album with tracks wait wait no back to YouTube we have a youtube channel I’m gonna demand is part of the value it’s just like a big part is gonna stretch don’t don’t undersell that yeah yeah but you know we some excerpts on that is what I was gonna say you know if you don’t watch the whole thread guess there’s excerpts on there anyway some of them are enhanced by echo yeah some puts his art work on to the video it may might be slightly better than my original a chillon front maybe logo and maybe a little bit better there’s a murmur over enhanced yes some people think yeah people think you’re under enhanced yes guard list no less we have a YouTube channel that’s the point yeah hey if you want to you can smash a like button share comment subscribe whatever the three things anyway psychological warfare is an album with tracks if you’re running into moments of weakness put in psychological warfare you’ll see it’ll solve your problem no weakness weak just overcome if the if you want the visual version of that go to flipside canvas dot-com my brother Dakota Meyer has a little company where he’s making things that you hang on your wall artistically some people calm artistic things again and you can get those if you want him to make a special one yeah hit him up on Twitter do some custom if it’s like if it seems to get some traction yeah he can put it out yeah he’s good he’s doing good stuff yeah on there yeah I check him up from time to time flip side cameras doc oh yeah also on it so you got on it calm slash dropper you get a lot of good stuff on there including kettle bells other workout stuff and bring my routine I’m gonna Hawaii by the way mmm for one month I know people people really don’t they under sell Hawaii I feel like I feel that was the same way when I went there for the first time I was blown away where’d you go Maui and Oahu I’m gonna koi yeah one month I heard that’s beautiful yes sir it is so I’m bringing the rings your request by the way that was one of the selling points of rings is that you can bring him places too that wasn’t really my request it was a statement yes statement on a recommendation recommendation she may be reluctant recommendation you sure did they it was a real it was a legitimate recommendation nonetheless I’m taking it I’m taking them you Hawaii anyway point is the Rings I have it from on and you can get those who need kettlebells you can get I have this kid they have this mineral electrolyte like mix right and I think I might have just enhanced what I call the mega mix it’s the pre-workout mega mixers – there’s one for jiu-jitsu one for lifting one for you – is just one scoop of discipline a little bit of Gatorade so it’s a half gatorade half water mix optional Gatorade some people they don’t like Gatorade some people yeah and that’s cool I don’t you can put lemon juice in there if you want sure um like I said they just win the electrolytes from on it and then uh I want to add your greens I’ll hook you up yeah that’ll be the mega mega mix that’s prejudicial is there a certain time where you gotta take those greens no just whenever I get them in come on all day yeah boom so that’s gonna be the pre jujitsu the pre lifting is essentially the same thing except you put or like the caffeinated pre-workout in it if you’re into it anyway anyway back to on it that’s where you get it there’s a lot of cool stuff on there quite a large a large human being yourself man looking good yeah but I don’t sound big though thank you perspective sorry does my voice not match how I look you know I can’t say because as you saw me I started talking maybe not though had you not spoke I’d been like damn yeah this dude’s probably fucking got a jack voice yeah yeah like talkin or something yeah but it’s melodious it’s not Jack no sir I have it I have a high-pitched voice melodious yeah very melodious yes interesting anyway yeah got some books where the warrior Kid 3 it’s out it’s called where there’s a will teaching kids about how to go harder that’s a little lesson in this book you know you gotta push harder and also teaching them about their ego and how their ego will get them in trouble everyone wishes they would have learned about ego earlier because it makes your life better of course there’s way the warrior could wanna wear the word your kid to March mission those books are for kids to learn to get on the path if they’re a little bit younger than that you can get a Mikey in the Dragons you know they can learn about how to overcome their fear there’s actual pragmatic protocols that you can take as a human being to overcome what you’re afraid of why not learn that when you’re 5 years old yeah that’s my question why not because you didn’t know the but about the book Mikey in the Dragons now you know about it your kids are just out there conquering fears which is a positive thing mm-hmm yeah and that’s a good one too because you can like you know if you have a bedtime routine and you read to your you know four or five year old before they can mean it’s one where you can read it not only can you read the whole thing if you want goes like a 15 minute you know but they’ll want to hear it again so it’s like a you know so one year real while urania over and over again that lesson will be instilling green and instilled in burn deeper rather than just one of the many books repetition exactly then we got to displace freedom field manual if you go hey joko can you post your workouts yes there in the discipline equals freedom field manual hey Jacque what do you think you should do in a situation like this oh it’s in the discipline equals freedom Field Manual hey jockle we eat it’s in the manual what’s your sleep routine is in the manual do you take naps it’s in the manual it’s all in there so the discipline equals freedom Field Manual the guide to getting after it if you want the audio version of that it’s on iTunes and Amazon music on all the mp3 things then of course we got extreme ownership and that I gotta me of leadership written me by me and my brother life babban those are gonna help you become a better leader in your business with your family and in your life watch it happen of course we have a tional on front which is my leadership consultancy and what we do is solve problems through leadership because all the problems that you’re having in your life right now in an organization are leadership problems I don’t care what they are and if you want to solve those problems you have to fix your leadership and that’s what we do it’s me Lafe Babb and JP Danelle Dave Burke yes Flynn Cochran Mike Cirelli Mike bimah and Jason Garner go to a chillon front comm for details we also have EF online which is online leadership training which is something that’s hard to comprehend how are you gonna take leadership and teach people leadership from an online thing an online training program well you read about it you take tests on it and then you get put in scenarios interactive scenarios on the computer where you have to make decisions so that’s a EF online then we have the muster which is a leadership conference the leadership event so during a gathering that it’s all it’s all of the muster is what it is yeah so it’s a muster is but it’s the mustard no muss to you so look the muster leadership they’ve all sold out and they’re all gonna sell out the next one is September 19th and 20th and Denver after that December 4th and 5th and Sydney Australia check out extreme ownership calm for details if you want to come don’t wait to register cuz then you won’t be able to go and you’ll be mad at me and I and you’ll send me a like let’s say you’re my friend let’s say you’re someone I actually know sure pathetically and and and we’re doing them a muster up in San Francisco and you send me a text it says hey sorry for letting you know late you said you’re gonna hook me up with some tickets it’s cool I can make it I’m bringing two friends and I’m like well first of all no because it’s literally sold out it’s not like hey it’s sold out but we can still let people in that’s not sold out it’s sold out yeah so don’t wait and then of course we have the eff overwatch where we take proven combat leaders from Special Operations from combat aviation and put them into companies in the civilian sector that need leadership leadership is the most important thing on the battlefield why not get battle tested leaders to help out you inside your business go to EF over watch com and if you want to ask me a question us a question you want to give me an answer did I mess something up today probably you want to let me know about that please it Mitch as he said he is on Instagram Mitch underscore a gr a G you I a are an echo and I are what we’re on Twitter and Instagram and on – facebooking school echo is that echo Charles and I am at Jocko willing echo anything else nothing else thank you thank you guys for having me very much I really appreciate the hospitality and opportunity I had a home awesome well Mitch thanks for coming on appreciate it and thanks for working the teams and I’m sure you’re gonna keep putting forth maximum effort to smash people in the cage look forward to seeing that and to all the other vets out there and to those that are still in uniform thank you for standing watch over freedom for our great nation into our police and law enforcement and firefighters and paramedics and EMTs and dispatchers and correctional officers and Border Patrol Secret Service and all the first responders I travel around the country and I run into you all the time and I see what you’re doing out there working and working hard and the reason that we live safely here in our country is you so thank you for holding the line here at home and everyone else out there remember that you can’t hit the pause button then it doesn’t matter it doesn’t matter at all if you get knocked down or you get tripped up or you think that something isn’t fair it doesn’t matter you still don’t get to stop so get back up bite down on your mouthpiece and go get after it and until next time this is Mitch a gr and Necco and Jocko out