This is Joo podcast number 52 with Echo Charles and me Jaco Willink Good evening Ekko Good evening So today is the 52nd episode of the Joo podcast which means that it’s been one year since we put out one every week And people have been asking me you know hey you gonna do anything special for the one year anniversary a special guest or a special book is you know what are you going to do special on this day? And my answer is yes we we are going to do something special because today is special But today isn’t special because it’s the 52nd podcast You see just just like I don’t go overboard with special holidays like birthdays or Christmas or Valentine’s Day or Veterans Day or even Memorial Day Today isn’t special because it’s the 52nd podcast Today is special because it’s today Today is special because we are alive Because we’re breathing And when you’re here and you’re alive and you recognize that recognize that that you’re alive today that makes every day special makes every day a miracle makes every day a gift And that might seem like a like a trit platitude but it isn’t And if you’ve seen brave young men who give their lives on the battlefield for their brothers or you’ve seen stoic young children facing some kind of terminal disease or you have had death attack your life with its multitude of heartless weapons cancer and disease and suicide and accidents and addiction and murder and war And if you’ve seen those things then you know it isn’t a platitude and it isn’t cliche You know it’s true Every day is a special day Every day is a gift Every day is awesome And so what are we going to do special for this podcast right here? The same thing that we always do We’re going to give it everything we’ve got We’re going to leave it all on the mat We prepared We invested We studied We thought and we’re going to get after it Why? Not because this is number 52 Not because it’s been one year Not because we made it this far But because this is the one it’s the one the one life we have This is the one shot we get at today this day now And so we are going to get after it like we always do and we’re going to make it count So Echo let’s do this Now I did go a little bit long with the last last podcast You know we were introducing the Korean War the coldest war on that last episode so I went a little I went a little crazy on that one Amen We all need to hear about that We’re going to hear some more But today we’re going straight to Q&A from from the interwebs So Echo Charles what do you got? Question number one Go All right Okay First question Joo how did you have time to train in martial arts while deployed? I figure that you were too busy with combat to even think about training while deployed Thank you for any information Okay so um a couple things I always brought mats with me when we deployed and it was really good you know cuz once I was in a leadership position I could kind of make that happen pretty easily Wait how does that how does that happen? Do you just say “Hey some do you tell someone?” I had mats No I had mats and I actually got mats from the team and then we would just put them on a big pallet When you deploy you you go on you you put all your gear on these big pallets So some of those pallets would have mats on them Mats And then when we would go on deployment now pre-war it was you know we we’d go on deployment We’d just bring mats and train wherever we could train And then once the war started and I still brought mats I was like “Okay war There’s it’s not like they’re going to have us working 24 hours a day ” So and if they did we just wouldn’t be able to train But I was prepared for training And what what I did both my deployments to Iraq is I had a what’s called a GP medium tent which is basically a really really big tent and they have air conditioning and they have dual walls so it stays kind of cool And I just made that into a little mini fight room Put mats out And then I would just train when there was downtime And there is downtime when you’re on deployment I mean there is definitely downtime when you’re on deployment And like what are you going to do with your downtime is the question Now some guys with their downtime they decide to do something that’s maybe not super productive I’ll give you an example That there was some guys on my first deployment to Iraq and they played Halo It’s a video game Have you heard of it? Yes Okay It’s a firsterson shooter video game Yeah And so my guys were so they just played anytime we weren’t working which you know our missions at that point were doing little direct action missions They’d only take a few hours even you know the planning and you know every two or three days So you you you had time right? And so all the time and they had the they had wires set up so they could play different um each other in different tents Yeah It was really ridiculous And meanwhile the guys that were a little bit more hardcore we were training the jujits but but but these guys and actually these guys were good mugs too But what’s funny is so I kind of thought like what is wrong with these guys? Why are they doing this? But you know whatever And then all of a sudden they had a the the group above us the group that was in charge of the SEALs that were there Um it’s called the Siege of Sodaf the Combined Joint Special Operations Task Force that group they hosted a Halo tournament like in all the different special operations groups went and did this Halo tournament And I don’t know if I’m proud of this or not proud of this Mhm But two of my guys that entered the tournament they they comp they won But not only did they w win I guess the way you play Halo you get you can die multiple times And so after a certain number of times like you play to a certain number of deaths I guess But anyways the in the finals these two guys beat the other guys that were from some army group or something They beat them 50 deaths to two So I was just saying to myself really? Uh so anyways uh the next deployment guys were playing some other I I never I I don’t play video games but the other guys played in when we were in Romani guys were playing I I want to say John Madden football That’s a good answer Yeah See I don’t know cuz I don’t play video games Echo Charles But uh but what I was doing during those times during those down times is yes bring um bring mats and train jiu-jitsu And there’s always guys even though there’d be plenty of guys playing video games and we we’d train jiu-jitsu for sure and you should make time for it because you know what you you you think about um being under a stressful situation Well what’s going to help you with a stressful situation? A physical outlet a little mental break And guess what? Guess what gives you a physical outlet and gives you mental break? Doing some jiu-jitsu So you know of course there’s times where we’d go and we’d go on the field or we’d have multiple backtoback to backto-back operations and we wouldn’t be able to train No big deal Of course the job takes the total priority over it But um yeah so I would always train and and I’ll tell you one more thing When I would go on deployment like let’s say you’re a guy that trains and you go on deployment well there’s going to be somebody that will train with you Even if they’re never trained before somebody’s going to go “Yeah I I’ll train with you ” And those guys that’s that happened to me you know where I went on deployment with a bunch of guys that didn’t know anything and I just was teaching them And when I came back from a six-month deployment this is before the war I was definitely way better than I was before I left So even though I was only training with guys that were not even close to as good as me just training all the time and just going with guys you know strong tough team guys made me better And when I got back I had improved a lot in comparison with the guys that I was training with before I left that were training all the time while I was gone So you can make improvement even if you’re just have bodies to move around and you can focus on your offense You can put yourself in bad positions So there’s a bunch of ways to get better while you’re doing it So yeah man you can train You can train on deployment for sure We just had a couple guys come back from deployment from the Marine Corps and you know they they were on a shipboard deployment They trained all the time You know they just came back to Victory MMA and they they’ve been training the whole time They got good too They they improved their game a lot Yeah I seen guys train I think it was Army guys They’re train and they train with the jacket on and they use the jacket as the gear I mean different but kind of the same Oh yeah it’s the same We you know and I’ve done that too Uh in fact the early days of jiu-jitsu for me I spent that’s why when no ghee started getting popular I kind of knew no gee because we used to train in BDU pants So like camouflage pants and a t-shirt That was sort of that sort of seemed like a good compromise Sure And then and plus Dean and I trained no ghee a lot even though Dean was Dean was training no gee because he wrestled And then wasn’t he doing MMA and stuff too right? But he did he did no ghee way before he did uh before he did MMA We were training no ghee I don’t even know what I’ll have to ask Dean where the idea came cuz even in sombo you wear a jacket right? Right Yeah On the top and he was a sombo guy too Interesting Do you guys go like all when you train like “Hey I’m a you know I’m just a one of the team guys I don’t train jiu-jitsu ” And you’re like “Hey let’s go train ” What do you do full-on training like for six you know eight minute rounds or you know what do you do? It’s the same thing I mean I’ve talked about it before like I would get guys that were training even if they’re a lower level and I would just train with all of them and just line them up and go and then they’d be training with each other too you know and I would teach little classes and say “Hey this is how you do this ” And you know you know me I kind of like to roll more but so I would always end up rolling a lot But you know you get good tough team guys that wrestled or they’re high school wrestler or they did judo So there’s guys and they they always bring it It’s always good training with them Yeah And they’re moving you know they’re not like and they got great cardio and they’re strong And then you know anytime there was Marines around or or soldiers around there was some rangers down the street from me I I trained with a few of those guys a couple times So yeah man Getting after it You can definitely you got to find a way to do it and then you make time to do it Next question My boss instituted mandatory uncompensated monthly meetings with the added warning that if we miss them there’d be repercussions While this isn’t an unjust move on his part I’m choosing to remain silent and not complain I decided that this is not enough of a of a pressing issue for me to speak out against That way the next time I decide to actually raise an issue over something it’ll have more of an impact This was influenced by your decision to only ask for or ask your leadership for help only when absolutely necessary Because of this when you did ask for something your request was taken much more seriously Do you think this was the right way to lead up the chain of command in this scenario? Yeah I think that’s a very good way to lead up the chain of command in that scenario And you got to choose your battles Uh because it is possible in any job to to cry wolf right? It’s possible to say “Oh this is this is way we can’t do this ” And it’s it’s possible if you complain about everything eventually you’re not getting listened to anymore So what I would do here definitely attend the meetings right? You show up for the meetings you attend the meetings you see what they’re about see what the deal is What is he trying to accomplish? Maybe he has some really good thing that he’s trying to accomplish Got to put out word or we don’t know yet Maybe his vision is that this only he’s only going to hold these mandatory meetings until he gets a flow and he gets everybody on board and then he can go “Cool we don’t have to do this anymore You guys got it ” I don’t know what his vision is you know what’s he trying to make happen? Let’s give him that credit as the leader to say “Hey you know you’re calling this meeting We’re going to show up there We’re going to do our best to participate and and get the most out of the meeting ” Find out what it’s all about So go to the meetings then Now you got your guys So you might be a little bit worried about your guys right? Saying “Hey why are you making us attend this meeting that the boss said we got to go to?” And on that one what I would likely do is make everyone attend a few of them And I would do it Say “Hey guys the boss is having a meeting No we’re not going to get paid but look we’re going to get word We’re going to find out what’s going on So I want everyone everyone’s got to be there right?” So you don’t pass the buck You you you maintain the the responsibility of what’s happening You own it And then maybe maybe after a little while though you look at the boss and you say “Hey boss you know what? These meetings are good to go I’m getting a lot out of them but I’m not going to make my I don’t want to make my guys go I want to pass the word to them So is that all right if I have them skip the meetings but I’ll be there and then I’ll put out the information and you know most likely you’ll get a hey that sounds good Especially if you’ve been attending the meetings and you’ve been participating you’ve been raising your hand and saying taking notes and saying yeah we got that boss we can make that happen If you’ve been we is that kissing ass? No no no It’s building a relationship Right now there is a dis a distinction right between kissing ass and building a relationship and don’t kiss ass because you’re not building a relationship when you kiss ass As a matter of fact people are turned off by it So you don’t want to be that guy Hey boss what a wonderful meeting I got so much out of it No no no no Participate and get in the game That’s all I’m saying I’m not saying kass cuz kass is going to get you It’s going to it’s going to look bad I mean are there some bosses that that feed off of that? Yes there are And you got to you might have to play that game a little bit You might have to play that game a little bit Not going to feel good That’s why we have to put our ego in check Yeah And then yeah that’s what I would do So I think you made the right call Let’s get in go to go to a bunch of these meetings see what they’re all about and and maybe you know eventually you’re saying “Hey boss you know these are uncompensated We could probably utilize these hours better if we did some this or we did that ” So this is good good straightforward method I think you made the right call and let us know how it goes Yeah Yeah That kissing ass thing Everyone knows you’re kissing ass And even if the bos I mean really what you’re doing is you’re trading your long-term respect You’re trading that in for that short-term popularity you know with with just the boss By the way like all you people because your popularity is going down Everyone else looking at you like look at that guy kissing ass Look at him Even the boss even if he likes it there’s a big part of his brain It’s like all right I don’t really So that’s what I’m saying that you don’t have to kiss ass right? You don’t have to kiss ass But you know what? What does the boss want? Someone that’s kissing their ass and saying “Wow what a wonderful idea ” Or someone that’s actively participating like a professional That’s what they want That’s what they want So do that Got to be down for the cause You’re like “Dang I’m down for the cause I I’ll tell you when I have a problem with something I’ll tell you why ” You know that kind of thing But ultimately if you’re down for the cause your boss’s cause or the whole cause or whatever um that’s And so much of it changes with your attitude If your attitude is like “Oh man this is we got to go to this meeting Oh no What if your attitude is like “Hey this is really cool that the that the boss is stepping up He’s trying to get us engaged in this I’m going to go in there and get after it “ That that just totally changed your attitude right there I’ve done that a million times Played that little game in my head Said “All right my boss’s an idiot You know what? I’m an idiot Let’s go Let’s make this happen I’m I’m going to get after it What is What stupid thing is he going to tell me? You know what I’m going to do with that stupid thing he tells me to do? I’m going to crush it ” I did that at when I was going to officer candidate school And there’s this thing at officer candidate school where you have to yell everything that you say They call it being ballistic They say you got to be ballistic at all times And it’s pretty cool why they do it actually They do it because you get some people that are coming in the military because when you go to OCS most of the people that are going through OCS with have never been in the military before They’re coming from college and they graduated college and now they’re going to OCS So they got 13 weeks to get turned into an officer So what they do is they make you yell everything Why do they do that? The reason they make you yell everything is cuz there’s some people that aren’t confident when they speak And so everything that they’re going to say they’re going to be shy about saying it Well at OCS you’ve actually got to yell everything that you say Cuz you can’t go on the bridge of a ship and say “Uh can can we turn the ship you know 90° to the port?” No no no You have to speak up You have to say “Hey we’re turning 90 degrees port ” I don’t actually know what the command is because I wasn’t a surface warfare officer but you know you say “Hey we’re going to turn 90 degrees port “ You can’t say it in a timid way And so the way they beat that out of you is by making you yell every single thing that you do when you’re in officer candidate school So what what we did was the upper classmen that control you when you’re going through there’s like a class that’s getting ready to graduate and they kind of control you when the drill instructors aren’t there And so they also make little money for their fund And the way they make money for the fund is selling soda and candy in this little this little closet right? I mean it’s it’s it’s authorized So my class I said “Hey guys when you go into I was the class president ” I said “When you go I said “When you go into the office to buy candy or soda which I don’t recommend but if you do if you do do it go in there and be ballistic ” Yeah And they they were like “Why go do it?” Because those are the rules And so everyone lined up and they went in this little closet and they’re yelling at the I would like one Coca-Cola and one Snickers bar sir And after 10 people the the person that’s in there the upper classman comes out and goes “You guys are no longer allowed to be ballistic ” And that was the way that we won by being you know just kidding And I actually did that in Buds too where I do stuff to the to the extreme you know like you got to get wet and sandy in Buds Yeah And which means you got to get jump in the ocean and then roll around in the sand Well I would jump in the ocean I would roll around in the sand And then when you get back to the instructor that told you to go get wet and sandy you’d have to go back to them and say “Hya instructor Charles to make sure that they knew that you got wet and sandy “ So what I would do is I’d go I didn’t do it immediately but I when I figured out that I could do this I did it I would go I would get wet I would get sandy I would completely I would completely cover my every square inch of my body with sand and then I would put sand into my mouth I would fill my s my mouth with sand and when I’d run up to say huya to the instructor when I’d say hua dry sand would come out of my mouth It was uh it was pretty fun So I like to have that attitude like oh you want to make me do something? Great I’ll do it and I’m going to do it with with vigor and enthusiasm and and then we literally in my in my buds class when at a certain point they told us we weren’t allowed to get wet in sand anymore They they literally told us that and uh they said no you guys you weren’t allowed to get wet anymore and and we were saying what’s wrong it’s you’re not allow and that so it actually yeah okay well I did it anyways It’s kind of like they’re they’re like kind of push pushing you down this hill with this expectation that you’re going to be put putting on the brakes or something Run to the fire Yeah So like the more they push you down the hill the more your natural tendency hopefully is going to be to put on the brakes That’s why all that works you know like oh go get wet and sand Oh that sucks But if you’re like wet and sandy time let’s do this kind of thing Then it’s like a and then in a way you can put on the brakes when they say stop like “Okay I’m going to get this ” One of my uh buddies we So there’s something called flights where you run up this hill and you carry uh pallets You know what a pallet is right? They’re I don’t know They’re made of wood or steel We had both there They call them flights And they actually have a little flight tower Just a little tiny little flight It’s called flights And you put this thing on your back so you look like an airplane and you run up the hill and come back down Right Right And you do it as a squad And when you get back to the bottom they’d say “Okay who came in last place?” Wait how many? One guy one pallet Yeah one guy per pallet They’d be like “Who? Okay who came in last place?” And I’d say “I came in last place Then you got to do it again ” But the funniest was when you came back down if you were slow or they just wanted to hammer you more they’d say “Hey you’re on fire Go put it out ” And which means you got to run then your pallet down to the ocean Oh god And so so one time I came back down and well one time I came back down and I said they said “You have to request permission to land ” And one time I came back down and said “Uh I can’t land I’m on fire ” And they go “Okay go take a hit surf ” But what was even better than that was a couple days later I came back down I said “Request permission to touch and go “ Which in which in pilots is you know you land and you take right back off So I just they go “Permission granted ” I turned right around and went back up there That was pretty funny It isn’t it doesn’t that like just cuz basically that starts with just embracing the attitude right? That that’s what it starts with Have a good time with it Yeah Doesn’t it result in all this this crap? Let’s face it man That’s that go get wet and sandy I mean from a normal standpoint is is allegedly not fun So fun Neither is the flights bro You explain that the flights is not cool But doing it that way it’s just as hard kind of physically but the experience Yeah it’s a little harder It’s a little bit harder but the experience is way better though you know And then and then yeah we but we always had a good time when we were doing like we we used to go when you’re on a ship then you’d go and the ship do something called an unrep they load gear they load food and supplies and fuel from another ship and we would go help but we would turn it into like a sport where we’re trying to move as much boxes as we can and guys we’re all sweating and just getting after it instead of being instead of being cuz it’s it’s it’s whatever it sucks right because you got to go up there and move a bunch of boxes like a moving party basically but we actually turned it into a moving party Emphasis on party We would go out and have fun be laughing throwing stuff and and just basically getting after it Even though it was just labor but why not have a good time bro? That’s a good idea You got to you got to really man up with it for sure But once you if you can kind of flip that switch bro that’s good Yeah It changes everything man When you when you get that good attitude going Yeah Make it fun It’s good man those pallets Yeah Flights we used to or we do on Kawaii Polyholly Huge beach Huge sand you know to get to the beach Seven mile beach by the way Nice Make bonfires with those pallets Oh yeah Yeah You didn’t carry them up your back up there No no no no Use the truck for sure The truck Next question Let’s do it Do you have any recommendations for careers that are similar to the military and or careers that are based on leadership context? Here’s a context I applied to the Canadian Armed Forces to be a signals officer and I failed my medical signals officer You know what that is? Yeah it’s basically a communications officer Right Right Okay So yeah currently looking for alternatives Well I’m not sure what the physical shortfall is I’m going to assume that the physical shortfall was something that was disqualified you from any type of millet So maybe you have really bad vision maybe you have really bad hearing in an ear maybe you have some irregular heart thing maybe there’s just some blood type you know something there’s a bunch of things that can do that to people And so I’m going to assume that it was bad enough that you can’t join the military at all Okay The next thing is can you get into some kind of police or law enforcement? That that’s the next question because maybe there’s something that disqualifies you from the from the military but you could still get into police and law enforcement And by the way you know if you can’t get into that what kind of maybe some kind of an anti-terror agency that you could possibly go into? And I would say the next step from there is you know what kind of an intelligence agency you could go work for? You know what kind of a person? You know it Could you be a person that learns a language that learns you know some technical skills that allows you to pursue people through the interwebs? You know there’s a lot of terror happening on the interwebs and it needs to be stopped So who’s doing that? Cyber war Cyber war is real I mean it’s it’s real So is there something that you could pursue in there? And guess what? You’re doing it you’re doing it virtually right? but you’re still hunting down terrorists and and catching bad guys and preventing terror attacks So even though it’s not you know shooting a machine gun it still is a has a huge impact And and I’ll tell you what in future in the future it might even have a bigger impact than the guys that are shooters So there’s that there’s that avenue to look at And same thing in in in law enforcement There’s certain professions that you can get where you’re not actually a police officer but you’re a a you know a forensic a forensic scientist that goes and looks at crime scenes and tries to figure out what happened So there’s definitely some some uh roads to go down there Then there’s firefighting of course There’s being a paramedic That’s another good one Those are all all servicebased And and so that’s like a whole group right? That’s a whole thing Yeah And then let’s say you can’t do any of those things Well well then what? Well for me it’s really easy Construction software engineering being a salesperson going into technology being a plumber being an electrician going into automotive repair automotive repair What? Like what? All those jobs If you are getting after in those jobs it they’re all you can you can excel you can own your own company you can get after it you can lead you can make a ton of money Any one of those jobs you can make a ton of money Any of them if you are a professional and you take pride in your work and you make I saw something the other day I wish I could find it I try and post again It was just a a plumber had obviously done this massive job where all these pipes were all coming and going into one thing and and there was you know probably 20 or 30 little pieces of pipe but they were all perfectly aligned perfectly exact and and it was in some you know storage you know uh mechanical room but it just looked like so professional And that’s the kind of thing that you know no matter what your job is what are you gonna do are all you need to do is step up and get after it and all those jobs any job that you’re doing that your work that you enjoy you know do something that you enjoy and what makes you enjoy things to me what makes you enjoy enjoy things is doing them well and practicing and getting good at them and having pride in your work that’s awesome so I would say you know you got to go get to find something that you like doing and get after it You know a lot of times just in general as far as finding what you want to do you know sometimes people like “Hey I like to I don’t know surf So I’m going to go be a surf instructor or something like that ” Usually how to find what you want to do doesn’t have to do directly It’s like what are the things that that stimulate you or motivate you or whatever that that make you like surfing or make you like whatever It’s like so a lot of it is real like basics like I like problem solving this way or something like that So tip there is look at what you like to do or like what you like to watch on TV or whatever I like to work with my hands Okay good Then you need to be a carpenter you need to be a plumber you need to be an electrician Oh I like to work with my brain Okay you like to solve problems Okay become a software engineer where you’re trying to figure out how to map all those things together Or a statistician I like numbers I’m going to be a stat So yes absolutely What are you interested in? And in what job requires that type of mindset and skill because it’s it’s always fun because I work with so many different companies in every different industry And whenever I meet you know there’s always a a group of people that are just into their job right? They’re into it and they want to be the best and it and it doesn’t matter what it is And I’ve I’ve had you know I work with companies every different industry and sometimes I think to myself well this is a weird industry I kind of I kind of you know just think you know it’s weird that I’m going to work with this particular company because this is a weird industry And then I meet the person that’s bringing me in and they’re talking to me about their business like they’re going into combat And I mean that in the most positive way They’re like “Hey this is what we want to do This is our vision right here This and they’re talking about you know selling shampoo ” I mean you know what I mean? Like just something that that they’re into and they just want to do the best that they can at it And that becomes a passion and a fuel So it’s it’s it’s fun to watch It’s fun to watch and it doesn’t and it translates you know the attitude that they bring to it and the leadership that they bring to it translates into their whole life That’s how that’s what makes people successful in business and life is when they’re they bring that attitude of I’m going to I’m going to do this to the best of my ability and I’m going to grow and I’m going to get better and I’m going to find my weaknesses and I’m going to work on those and next thing you know these people are owning their own businesses and it’s awesome Yeah Next question Let’s do that Why do you never or rarely swear or use profanity? Yeah bro Why do you never swear? Anyway that’s part part A of the question Why do you never swear or use profanity? B part B of the question is what do you do to combat burnout? This my schedule isn’t helping I’m a prosecutor constantly overrun with violence and despair up at 5:00 a m to play music or read A jiu-jitsu purple belt trying to keep up with the mon the young monsters on the mat Mhm But never seem to have enough time because life is always making huge demands and trying to get better at gymnastic strength training without neglecting my wife and my dog Thanks for encouraging us regular fellas to dig a little deeper and try a little harder Well the swearing question we actually talked about that already on one of the earlier podcasts I don’t know which number Yeah Uh but it’s covered in great detail I think it’s an 18minute conversation Let’s not rehash that one And just to clarif clarify that it uh more appropriate we’ll just say question would be to modify this Say why do you never or rarely swear on while you’re recording? That is true Because you get your swear on from time to time I I have used I give myself uh six foul language usages per month Per day outside you know outside recording Yeah I’m just kidding Yes I do swear I think it it uh it’s You think that’s cool huh? So cool I don’t know if it’s cool or not but I do do it But I don’t swear here and I don’t swear when I’m presenting and I don’t swear in front of my wife and kids and I really not in front of your wife Not really Not to say that’s bad or nothing but that’s interesting Sure No I mean I try and give her some respect and treat you know speak In fact when I do swear in front of her I do it knowingly that I’m trying to make some kind of a a statement about something Yeah Like emphasizing Yeah Really emphasize something Dang Okay Cool man That’s good Okay Now let’s get to the combating burnout First of all it sounds like uh this guy right here has a lot going on which is awesome Good for you That’s killer Welcome to life Right now a couple things Right? And I guess this might be a little bit of a theme tonight but you got to make it fun right? Instead of viewing these things like an oppressive grind I mean just the way that you know the mats I go on the mats I don’t have the time and life is making huge demands and I’m trying just make trying to do just gymnastics strength training but without neglecting my wife and it’s like everything is a grind No it’s not You have the opportunity to do gymnast You got a wife and you got a dog That’s that’s that’s awesome As Ekko would say that’s dope right there So what you know instead of looking at them like that let’s look at them at what we can do to get more done Okay first of all what kind of time constraints can you put on things right? force yourself to do some things faster Okay Um for instance reading first thing in the morning I don’t know I don’t agree with that Like why would you get up in the morning and reading? No End of the day Okay Playing music first thing in the morning Playing music should be fun and enjoyable as should be So getting up and going “Okay I’m going to go play music ” You’re turning it into a labor right? You’re turning it into a labor It should be something that’s down winding you down at the end of the night So when you wake up in the morning do something that requires some discipline and and has you get after it a little bit and wakes you up a little bit more right? Um you know another thing is you know jiu-jitsu how this is a weird question how fast can you train jiu-jitsu? Because I can tell you for many many years and also what part of jiu-jitsu is important to you and what part are you getting the most out of? Cuz for many many years especially once the war started when I I would show up to train basically at the at the end of class and I still do this sometimes I show up when Dean is done teaching when Jeff is done teaching Believe me if I had unlimited hours I would sit there and absorb everything that they have to say I learned something from Dean the other day I I couldn’t believe it I couldn’t believe what I learned from Dean the other day I couldn’t believe that I didn’t know it I couldn’t believe that I didn’t know it I couldn’t believe how well it worked and I couldn’t believe that that bastard never taught it to me which made me really angry But that’s the way it is I’ve been training for 20 years and he taught me a basic fundamental thing that I did not know So if I could I’ of course I’d be in there all the time you know learning absorbing Glover is the same way Glover teaches you little things and he goes “Oh you should do this right ” Oh man How did I not know that? So I would learn all I could but I don’t have much time time for that So what do I do? Show up when that stuff’s over and I go and I train get it on and and how fast that’s what I’m saying is how fast can you what what gets you the most impact in the shortest amount of time So for me it’s I always feel if I don’t have time to take an hour and a half class that’s you know a 10-minute warm-up uh 30 minutes or 40 minutes of instruction 10 minutes 20 minutes of drilling and then half an hour of rolling or however long that all put together is But but I’m going to show up for me the most important part at this juncture in my jiu-jitsu career is the rolling So I’m going to show up for that last you know 40 minutes 45 minutes I’m going to get my rounds in Maybe that’s what you need to do because you can’t you don’t have time to take an hour and a half class with all that other stuff So see if you can do that The other thing you might have to do is prioritize and execute the uh the the extra extracurricular activities right? You got gymnastics going on you got BJJ going on you got reading you got music going on How do you um h how do you bring those things together or how do you prioritize them so that you’re you focus on which one’s going to be the most important? That’s the bottom line right? Because you might not have time to do everything and so you might be just dabbling in all of them and not making any progress in any of them Oh yeah So that’s not good Another thing how can you manipulate your work schedule? Right? What can you do at your work schedule that you could squeeze something in? For instance do people take a lunch break? Do people take a lunch break? I haven’t taken lunch in this in the SEAL teams I didn’t take lunch you know in Why would you take lunch? Like oh I’m going to go for an hour of time and go to a place and sit down and eat No I’m going to eat at my desk while I’m working So I’m never going to take lunch So maybe during your work people are you know people hey we’re going to go down and have some lunch Cool That’s when I’m going to go do you know 500 burpees or whatever I’m going to go run to the gym real quick and get a workout and I’m going to do my sprints or whatever So see what what can you do there? Maybe maybe you could get more work done in this time when you’re waking up early cuz you want to get after it Maybe that’s the time when you should go to the job because no one’s going to bother you you can get a bunch of work done and then you can take a break from from 7 until 9:00 when the rest of everyone’s coming in with their coffee and want to talk to you No that’s when you’re working out or that’s when you’re doing something else So how can you maximize? I used to do this when um we used to have to write evaluations for all of our guys and it’s a big pain in the Navy and they have to be perfect and they’re getting recording guys record So you want them to be perfect You want to take the effort because this is how the guys get evaluated so they can get advanced So you want to take your time with it But during during we’d get you know I was in charge so I get these big stacks of evals that I have to go through and it’s correct It’s a basically doing corrections of papers over and over and over again till they’re perfect And it’s meticulous work And so what I would do is during that time period it would take like a month to get it done I wouldn’t work out first thing in the morning I would go to work immediately in the morning and while everyone else was either not there or I would work I would work and then when everyone showed up you know at 11 I’d go work out during lunch and just you know if you want to come talk to me because everyone always wants to talk to you right? Everyone got something to say to you Jimming you up You can’t just leave me alone cuz I’m trying to work But maybe you So how can you manipulate your work to to maximize what you’re getting out of it? Another thing is maybe take a little break from some of the activities Maybe take a break from music Maybe take a break from or maybe you say “Oh you know what? I’ve been doing an hour of music a day You know I’m going to change that I’m going to do for the next month I’m only going to do 15 minutes just to keep my keep my skills maintained but I’m not going to progress progress And I understand that Or maybe you take a break from the mats for two weeks I I can tell you if you’re training every day a twoe break from the mat in many cases myself definitely I take a jump up I get better if I take a break That’s why travel for me I don’t like it when it goes on all the time but I go away for six days and don’t train I come back and I feel a little bit better Some stuff gels in the brain So yeah I have no problem That used to make Dean one time I came home one time I came home from deployment and Dean and I were training and I was just so fired up you know coming and I was kind of smashing him and I’m yelling at him you know I’ve been on deployment I’ve been overseas what have you been doing back here? How come I’m crushing you? Blah blah blah I’m just crushing him that day And so he went home that night and he made a This is when you had to burn This is when you had to burn CDs He made a He made a CD that was called Kill Joo That was all of his favorite whatever uh metal songs And he came back and the next day he came back and destroyed me So yeah he did Kill Jaco that next day But uh yeah so taking a break sometime just to just to focus on some of the other stuff The other thing okay you got your wife and your dog spend time with them while you’re doing these activities right? Your dog can go running with you right? That’s awesome Your dog can come to the park watch you do pull-ups right? Your dog can chase the kettle bell that you’re that you’re throwing or whatever the the the shot put or the medicine ball You can you can have Be careful if you’re throwing your kettle bell dog That might have been bad bad advice You know you throw kettle bells I was telling I was with my buddy We were in New Jersey one time and we went and threw kettle bells It was winter time and we were throwing kettle bells and the kettle bells would get it was part of the workout was you had to dig the kettle bell back up out of the mud It was pretty funny Anyways so what my point was saying is that if you threw your kettle bell and it hit a dog it would not be good So don’t do that one But take your dog with you to the park go have fun hang out And same thing with your wife You what? Your wife doesn’t want to do some jiu-jitsu My wife did jiu-jitsu before she was pregnant so much She was coming to the gym with me all the time She was training and then you’re just let’s bring it into the family a little bit Get her in She gymnastics Get your Tim Ferris acro yoga on with with your girl right? That’s the same thing Get her in the game Have her lay down some vocal tracks right? Got maybe little backing vocals from Mama Let’s hear what that sounds like And that way you’re doing the stuff that you want to do but you’re bringing your family into the game a little bit And like I said man have fun because all these things that you’re talking about even being a prosecutor which I’m sure like you said embeds you in just violence and disturbing things all the time And it’s a challenging job but but enjoy that challenge And how can you do it better? And how can you win? You know I I’m going to have fun with it I had fun all the I had fun overseas I had fun in Iraq I had fun on the in the bowels of a ship that I was deployed on for 6 months I’m going to have fun and and laugh hysterically at things And it’s the same thing with with music and with working out and jiu-jitsu man You got to you got to enjoy them all And just like when you’re on the mat you’re competing against these young monsters Don’t just try and compete with everybody Just try and get better because that is winning And and that’s what’s going to make you better in the long run because that’ll make you stick with things make you stick with them Because if you don’t enjoy jiu-jitsu why would you do it for 25 years? If you don’t enjoy music why would you keep practicing it? So my final thought on this man my brother have some fun with this stuff Yeah that dang Being a prosecutor that’s the kind of job where even when you go home bro it’s still in your mind you know? So as far as the whole experience it’s like dang this is my job is taking up so much time It’s true So yeah I would imagine that would make it more of an like a difficult Yeah thing to balance You got to figure out that way to leave your job at leave your job at work Yeah Right We want to excel at it I just had this conversation with a guy today Just because if you’re looking at your you you can’t the way you’re going to do your b job better as a prosecutor is not by just being 100% focused on that 100% of the time You will not do a better job if you’ll do a good job if you focus on that a lot and you still do jiu-jitsu and you still train and you still get after it and you still you that how many good ideas I have so many good ideas that come to me when I’m working out when um doing yard work because you got to get you got to give your brain a little space to think right it’s just like planning a a seal operation If you’re sitting there looking at the map from 2 in away the whole day trying to get this plan perfect you’re not going to see everything And it’s the same thing with any job that you have If you get yourself totally wrapped around that job you’re not going to have the the proper detachment from the job to see the bigger picture So you must get some space between you and your job so you can think properly Yeah And just like and that other element like everything you do studying working out is like this where you you you work hard you get your reps and then you get your rest You can’t be doing push-ups all day every single day You know you won’t get stronger Actually you’re right So when you know just like studying where they say like I guess when you study or memorize and or both whatever and then you go to sleep that’s when they get your neural connections get solidified get yeah when you sleep that’s not when you’re studying So if you’re cramming for a test for two days straight no sleeping you know that won’t help you as much as studying for four hours properly getting some good sleep get your rest Yeah So that’s the same thing with the job You know get grind on the job and then man forget about it for a little bit when you come back The same it’s weird Coincidentally that’s what I just said happens at jiu-jitsu Exactly right Just said that Yep Exactly right And a little tip and I don’t know if this would I know this cuz I know how that feels when you’re like dang I I work so much and I don’t have time to go work out or whatever or I’m always pressed for time or whatever You can kind of overlap the two So I what I did okay I’d go to work and then right after work I’d go home I’d change and then I’d go to the gym and then I’d be like man I don’t have time for anything If I expect to work out as much as I need to in my mind or as much as I want like I don’t have time for anything else because here’s the thing you kind of do have time when you start to overlap So and this will sound real obvious and simple but sometimes you kind of you miss these little things So what I ended up doing which a lot of people do is they’ll just you just bring your workout clothes and your pre-workout to the to work to work and then go straight to the gym You saved yourself all kinds of time You see you actually got your workout You saved 40 minutes just by doing that That was your workout Yeah And that and that’s not to mention you when you go home a lot of time you have this a lot of time it’s subconscious too It’s you start to just mellow out You go home boom I mellow out So the chance of you skipping a workout becomes a that’s a different thing for sure But um that seems like an obvious thing you know like yeah bring your if you’re going to work out after work it seems obvious I know but there’s other things just like that in like life where let me just overlap them you know just like eating uh lunch at your desk Straight up it’s just straight up efficiency Maybe we’ll have to do a whole podcast on just how to be more efficient Yeah So if you’re keeping your eyes open for okay how can I little overlap here overlap there and you’ll be like oh dang I got two hours at the end of the day right now or just more time to do more stuff you know? Yeah So just keep your eyes open man And the jiu-jitsu thing too Back to the jiu-jitsu real quick The um you said try to just focus on like the parts that that help you the most like come in you know don’t quote unquote for lack of a better term waste your time on like the warm up and you know if that’s not where you get the most learning before you do that clear it with the instructor Oh yeah that’s right Instructor I don’t dig it when you just skip the warm-up roll in when it’s time to roll In fact that’s like a thing So you got to you got to say like a lot like I’ll do that Talk to your instructor and say “Hey I’m working a bunch right now I got this case going on and I got to get through it and so I’m only going to come three times a week and all I have time for is just to come in and roll Is that cool with you? What are they going to say? No Yeah Or just say at this time cuz if you say I can only have time to roll they’re like “Oh you want to skip my lesson then?” That’s the part you chose to skip So you say I can only come in at this time Well I’ve been in that situation where you know I’ve been working on this thing and and also other schedules I had my new baby and all this stuff So it’s like dang the only time I can come in realistically um was at to get there at like 12:35 just to get you rolling Yeah When you know the when the light you know the instruction starts at noon Mhm And then I I know Jeff was like “Yeah cool The you know higher belt thinks he can just roll ” I don’t know if he thought this or not It’s probably me being Yeah I felt it but it could have been me being paranoid Greg encourages that by the way Great train He encourages if you get more out of just rolling than you do the lesson like when you get to a certain belt and you’re you know how your learning starts to take shape like what you learn better He encourages it But the only thing is that like I just just saying what I just learned from Dean the other day and how what other things have I missed? Yeah but you know what I mean? But that’s an opportunity cost situation you know? Yeah but dang that’s important stuff Maybe I missed it But you know what I do do is I I I always uh like even if I’m if I get there a little late I’ll be like I’ll look and see what moves they showed and and I’ll and I’ll figure out if there’s anything I didn’t know Yeah but how can you figure out if there’s something you didn’t know? No cuz I’ll say “Hey Jeff what did you teach today?” Or I’ll watch guys like “What you guys learn? What did you guys go over today?” And this and I’ll go “Hey Jeff how does that work?” Or I’ll say “Hey Dean what’s this thing here?” So I’ll just ask him you know basically retach the whole class No not reach because because like you just said my learning is developed So all they need to say is “Hey we went over this escape right here We went over this finish and here’s how you do it or this transition ” Right Right So yeah with that one yeah you got to kind of communicate Your uh expect your instru Yeah I totally got him Next question I’ve encountered an issue in the workplace I’ve never dealt with before I’m a former Air Force STTO STTO Yep It’s like a combat controller They call in they call in aircraft They set up they call for fire They set up uh they set up air strips in the field Really cool job Okay Okay As it says here or as you may affectionately know us as combat controller Okay I’m now civilian mechanical engineer Dang Big up In the oil and gas industry Through attrition The people I work closely with have learned a little about what it is I used to do I’m treated noticeably different as a result For example some refer to me as Mr SF Now my current approach is just to laugh it off and ignore it But how can I respectfully indicate that when I’m in the office I’m not that anymore and no different than anyone else? Well I think you’re taking the right approach and that is to ignore it Um I think there’s probably something about your history right that people get a little bit either intimidated or comfortable with in some way because they think all of a sudden you know you’re you’re this different type of thing But I I think it is definitely something where well in the SEAL teams the minute you say “Hey don’t call me that “ like people that’s that’s your nickname for life if you say that So you know I I think you know for one thing it sounds like you’re not referring back to your time in the service a lot a lot but another thing is don’t a subtle thing is don’t answer to you know Mr SF Just don’t answer to it Not saying you have to be a jerk about it but if someone says m Mr SF hey Mr SF you just like keep doing what you’re doing until and so don’t reinforce that that’s what they should call you right? That’s just like a basic a basic thing but I think you’re doing the right thing And I mean if you ever wanted to say something about it again the minute you say something about it now all of a sudden it turns into a big deal Now people are whispering like “Hey he doesn’t like to talk about it ” Right Right So now we’re in that situation He doesn’t like to talk about it So man just ignore it Keep working And I mean carry on with your with your mission with these with these guys in the gas There’s a bunch of veterans in the gas oil industry I don’t know why they’re you know um when when we work with gas you know a bunch of vets Maybe that’s more on the front line troopers but man I met a bunch of you know a bunch of veterans Um so I don’t know Maybe maybe they maybe they saw a little a little reaction they got from you So let’s make sure we’re not doing that Just ignore it and carry on The best thing you can do right and know in the SEAL teams if somebody does something that annoys you do not show it Same thing in like my family with my kids man When my kids figure out that something annoys one of my other kids they just relentless annihilation with that whatever that thing is And I did that when I was a kid I was you know my sisters and I we were so mean to each other on whatever And that’s sort of I don’t know I guess that’s sort of a tradition in my family is you know um it’s sort of a tradition is of no emotional mercy right? If you find something you’re just going to grind on it And that’s the way that’s the way it works And also no credit no credit will be given There’s no credit will be given you know It’s just like oh oh yeah whatever So uh but yeah man ignore it They’ll get over it Kind of like on Lion Hart Remember Lion Hart when he’s like he go it’s a Vanam movie man Anyway he goes into the final thing against that big guy You should do another podcast without me where you talk about cheesy movies Bro I’m telling you it’s the same It doesn’t matter the movie cheesy or not It’s the exact same concept You can’t show it So he goes in broken rib All the money’s on you know the table whatever Broken rib He’s like he gets hit in the rib Oh no He doesn’t get hit in the rib He like he goes to hit him in the ri and he flinches like all quick And the guy the big guy he’s fighting goes he he boom He flinches all quick and he goes see what I’m saying? Can’t show that Don’t show that No Good Is it ever okay? This is next question by the way Next question Yeah sure Oh right This isn’t just my question I’m busting out in the middle of that last one Okay Yeah Is it ever okay to violate core values to achieve a goal? Okay So first of all really obvious your values and your goals should be aligned They should not be adversarial They shouldn’t be counter to each other And if you think about what your goals are your goals should be set up in a way that they support your values and vice versa That’s just the way it is So I’m not sure where this is going to be an issue If you’re setting up goals that are contrary to your values you got some issues Now I guess if you had the goal of winning the blue blue belt jiu-jitsu championships and in order to win you you cheated like you claimed someone was reaping your leg and you said “Oh “ you tap and you get the guy to qualify and you win That’s could be an example right now Do I support that? No you know that’s wrong You you go went against the values of actually the values of martial arts to do that So you didn’t win anything and you didn’t achieve your goal because you weren’t actually the best Right? So I say no on that one Uh another one let’s say you wanted to make a certain level of profit at your company So you cheated a little bit on the quality of the manufacturing and you sold items that weren’t quite reliable Do I support that? No Right for and and why? Let me tell you why Because your goal your goal is not even aligned with your goal itself Because when you start making substandard manufactured items what’s going to happen in the long run? People are going to say “We don’t like these We’re not going to buy them anymore ” So you didn’t win You might have won in the short term but you didn’t win And and again you’re going against your value You should have values that you don’t want to you know take profit over making good product And again in the long run that value is going to cost you right? People aren’t going to want to buy your product anymore Okay another one I could think of like let’s say your goal was to lose weight or to gain weight or whatever some kind of positive physical change And so you’re working hard but then you decide you’re going to jump on steroids right? You’re going to jump on steroids and and you get that goal right? Because steroids are a huge advantage But again I say no because if you think about what your goal is like why are you trying to gain weight or lose weight? Your goal is to is to be healthy right? That’s your value is you value your health And so when the minute you start doing something that’s counter to your health well that’s not that’s not helping your long-term It’s your value is not aligned with your goal and your goal is not aligned with your value So get them lined up M so now might we at some point compromise our values compromise our values to reach a goal? I think that changes the answer a little bit right? We might compromise You remember that question that we had about the people that are snakes and how do you work with them? You know should you work with someone that’s dishonest or backstabbing but they’re a cog in the machine of your team? And your values right? They might be to call a person out and say “Hey you’re a you’re a backstabber and I don’t want to work with you ” that that might be what your values tell you to do but your goal and if you do that you first of all you don’t progress You don’t your team doesn’t work better together they work together And so in the long run you don’t win because you stuck hardcore with your values And by the way if you stick with your if you if you bend your values you compromise your values a little bit to get through this transitional period now you get promoted And now you get in a situation where you can fire that person That’s a backstabber So you you have to compromise your values as a person a little bit And you know there’s the enemy of my enemy is my friend right? The enemy of my enemy is my friend So you might compromise your values short term working somebody that you’re not totally aligned with value-wise And again if you’re going to get the long-term strategic goal well then maybe it’s worth it because it’s going to put you in a position where you can then hold your values better from a from a senior position or from a more powerful position So you might compromise them a little bit Again these are small compromises and you should have things of course we got things that values that you’re you’re never going to compromise on right? um hitting a girl Yeah Right You you should you should never hit a girl right? Never hit a woman Now that being said if there’s a woman that’s about to do something truly evil you know kill a child or some kind of a terrorist act and the only thing you have that you can stop it is to hit her Well guess what? She’s getting hit You know what I mean? So even then your value of never hitting a girl can be compromised momentarily while you stop a a child from being murdered or whatever Yeah Um you know we as we we hold a value we always want to tell the truth Mhm But if you had a for an extreme example if you had some kind of a state secret and and you got captured well of course you might lie about that And there’s little I mean we could get into a whole like white lie discussion on stuff like when your wife asks you “How’s the chicken?” and you want to tell her it’s the most dry and and charcoal tasting item that you’ve ever put in your mouth That’s not going to help you long term No So I might I might compromise my values of being truthful and tell her it’s pretty good Can I have some more ketchup over here? Can I get some more barbecue sauce on this? Ketchup on chicken and I’m going to go grab some more water Would you like some? So I might compromise my values a little bit there Uh uh so I guess what I’m saying is and people this is the thing people probably what they think of my persona because people will think oh I’m Jaco’s going to be this uncompromising never settle allow no slack kind of person right that’s what people want it want you know want I guess want to see me as but the reality is reason right reason and thought can can override values for the right reasons and that that’s why we can think there that’s why we can think and there’s there’s actually times there’s actually times when holding your values goes against your values so if you always back up your friends right you always back up your friends but then your friend does something that’s totally immoral and is against your values well then you can’t back up You can’t hold the value of backing up your friends because guess what? They did something immoral They did something that was wrong And so if you held your values you’d be not holding your values That’s the dichotomy there right? That’s the dichotomy The and the additional dichotomy is you hold your values right? You hold to those basic principles that you believe in but at the same time you’ve got to apply logic and reason to them to make sure that they are supporting your long-term goal and your long-term values because you don’t want to you don’t want to make a hard stand on something that costs you everything where now in the future you can no longer manipulate any more situations That’s one of the things that makes leadership and and life hard is that it isn’t black and white It isn’t black and white It’s gray And so our decisions on these very things these are the challenges of leadership and there’s there’s no way right or wrong answer of of saying if it’s right or wrong to violate your your values to achieve a goal that initial question there’s too many variables in that there’s too many variables but start with this part that I started the whole answer with align your values with your goal that’s where you start and then you use reason and logic and thought to determine your actions based on the situation weighed against your values You have to think Yeah So given what you’re saying yes it’s so it’s less like just values like you have a dinner plate with here’s my values kind of thing It’s more of a hierarchy of values So you will violate your values if it’s on you know level two for a level four You know what I mean? Like I’ll hit I’ll knock a girl right out if it’s in the way of my higher value which is protect your family Protecting my family kids you know all this stuff Same thing with girls Don’t mess ladies out there Don’t mess with that cuz family don’t coming at you You know obviously same thing with you know the the um ratting on your or backing up your friend you know my values back into my friend That’s level two You know the whole immoral thing assaulting a girl I don’t know whatever the you know yeah that’s level four So sorry number two You know I’m going for number four kind of So it’s like a hierarchy Yeah You got a little hierarchy of values and there’s some you know obviously there’s some that I can’t even you know you could give any of one of your highest values that you could come up with and you could sit here and and theoretically come up with a situation where you would sacrifice that value Yeah And that’s just the way it is Yeah So that’s why we’re humans We have the ability to think We have the ability to reason And sometimes you might have to compromise your values a little bit to to higher ones right? Yeah To survive and get so that you can long-term carry out your values to a higher degree Yeah Yeah Like the um and the back to the uh people want to lose weight you know Yeah If usually people who I don’t know I guess I would imagine that usually people who take steroids their value isn’t the health It’s like cuz people typically I mean unless it’s a medical thing you know that’s a good point Um you know the steroids ain’t for it’s for to win or to be cool Yeah which is kind of strange but you know it’s usually to win a competition or something like this but um but nonetheless I think that holds true given what you said And I think it’s kind of kind of coming together there I think that it is like a hierarchy of values Yeah Yeah And if someone’s going to use steroids to cheat that’s I mean even that we it’s a whole another discussion but what are they really proving? What are they really winning? Right Yeah Yeah And that goes back to remember uh I forget what we were talking about like some people like they want to they want to they want to appear to win you know especially now you can see it on like online you don’t spend that much time like this cruising Facebook but you see you can see someone that you know I don’t know they’re they’re they’re about to murder each other husband and wife they hate each other they don’t even sleep in the same room but they went on vacation with their kids or whatever and they’re like oh so in love in front of the ferris wheel or the waterfall or whatever and you’re like You just want people to think you win You just want to appear that you won You know but but it’s not real That’s why people cheat Yeah That’s why like the guy the jiu-jitsu thing when they’re like “Okay I’m going to I’m going to say this guy re my leg I’m going to tap Oh he’s DQed You can’t do that “ But you know you cheated kind of thing He his goal wasn’t to win It was just to get the medal So it’s you know the medal is appear but he’s just he doesn’t have the proper values actually or be the winner He needs to check his values He needs to check his hierarchy of values is what he wants to do Yeah So he didn’t want to actually win He wanted the medal to appear that he won kind of thing Next question Is there any way to recalibrate the flight or fight response? I get that exc I get that excess in adrenaline or I get that excess adrenaline that gives me the wobbly legs and the flight response How do I go about remapping my reaction? Well absolutely Um and I’m not 100% sure what situations you’re talking about but any type of danger right gives you this flight oright response So train Starts with training Jiu-jitsu boxing Muay Thai wrestling shooting competing competing right? You get used to those butterflies when you compete you get those butterflies and and you get used to them And so train and get used to seeing how that reaction what that adrenaline feels like And and also get used to understanding what the superior action is right? Fight or flight because sometimes flight is the correct response Sometimes fight is the correct response But what you want to do is you want to be able to assess and dictate which response you’re going to give and not just do whatever your instinct tells you cuz sometimes your instinct might be wrong And so again I don’t know what you’re actually the the the situation where you’re going into but whatever it is cuz people get the fight orflight response to to everyday things too like public speaking right? Oh yeah Rock climbing Um and and that’s why I say you know do these things train in them So public speaking rock climbing you know if you want to get good at rock climb you want to get over that fight orflight response when you get out go go rock climbing You’ll get used to it You scared of heights go start parachuting You know you’ll get used to it You’re scared of the water get worked up and go through swimming and then come scuba certified Just the things that you’re not comfortable with get comfortable with being uncomfortable And I while you’re doing them too while you’re doing them Pay attention You got to detach a little bit when these things are when you’re training Detach a little bit and see what is going on in your mindset See what red flags that you can see What things will make you aware of the fact that your nerves are your adrenaline and you’re you’re you feeling yourself clenching your fist You know okay so I’m clenching my fist be aware of it so that you can change it so you can adjust it and put again put yourself into these scenarios and escalate them so they get harder and harder and harder and worse and worse and worse until you’re until you start to get control of these things Here’s something weird It’s not weird You’re not going to think this is weird but um what I used to get super nervous about fight orflight response was public speaking right? Yeah But that that’s not that’s not the story No not worse necessarily but just a different thing is like confrontation you know like like hey whether someone’s confronting me or someone or I got to confront someone you know it’s like this barrier you know you know some people they’ll just step back and forth that barrier they’ll confront you and then go back to just being like “All right I’m going to go back to work kind of thing or school whatever ” But man I’ve always seen it when I was younger whatever as this barrier that it’s like you don’t cross until it’s 100% go time So anytime I’m close to the barrier it’s like you get super nervous cuz it’s like dang is it go time? Does this confrontation mean physical fighting or just in general? Physical in general Anything like if something happened with somebody you were working with and they lost something and you had to go confront them on it you that would make you get fight or flight Anything You know how we’re just cruising? You know how fully but and let’s say me and you’re cruising I’m saying chocolate and I’m teasing you about something and then you like didn’t like something and then it got it went from like this to like you know what I mean like you didn’t like what I said or something you’re like hey I didn’t like that and it became this thing like okay like that Yeah Yeah For whatever reason it it’s that it’s the I can be cruising I can be on good terms with someone once it goes bad It’s like to me I just looked at it as this just this huge barrier So I I I actually I actually get something like that And for me what it is same thing But when as soon as I feel it you know what I do? I I go like I go if I have I just default because and it sometimes what bothers me sometimes you know you don’t always have the opportunity like let’s say I get an email Someone says “Hey I really didn’t like the way this happened and blah blah blah ” It’ll bother me And especially it’ll bother me if someone will say “Hey when for instance this is the kind of thing that would bother me is someone says “Hey you did this I it seemed like you know you were putting me down in front of all these people ” I would feel bad about it right? And I’d be like it would And so the only way for me to get over it is I want to talk to him and say “Hey man this is what I did I’m going to send out an email to everyone and make sure that they know that that was you know my wasn’t my you know say that you did a great job or whatever ” Just try and make it right But the only otherwise it just turns it burns me up and I have to confront it I the the thing that bothers me and I used to like I recognize this now when I was younger I might not recognize it I would just sit there and I I wouldn’t know what to do But now I know the solution The solution is when something’s bothering you You go and you address the problem You know like my my kids will do something and I’ll I’ll be all angry about it and I just go oh what you know what I need to do is go and talk to them about it Hey what did you what are you doing? Why did you do this? Here’s the impact it has on the family here’s the impact it has on your life Here’s some other opportunities that you might miss out now Here’s some things that you could do better or you know here’s some corrective actions we could take Whatever The worst thing I can do is just sit there and hold it inside Not not a good thing to do Yeah And and I I knew that fully I mean that that it’s not a good thing to do Um but it was just one of those things that that really induced that fight orflight like response And the strange thing you know helped a lot even just in regular confrontation any and it’s a specific type of confrontation It’s not the kind where you know how like you you say something then you leave and then you think back and wait did I insult him? Yeah Yeah That that bothers me But that to me I’ll call you right now and be like hey I said that’s no problem The the kind of it’s the only kind of stuff the or the only stuff that did it was stuff that to cross this line puts us on bad terms temporarily or permanently It puts us on like not good terms Anyway it was that kind of thing But nonetheless you know what totally helped was jiu-jitsu Totally helped Where I I still don’t want to but if I think that the confrontation has to go down for whatever reason I it’s just way easier to do Yeah Just slap bump roll Let’s do it Yeah Kind of a thing you know? But I mean you got to do a crack You don’t be like you don’t lose your temper or go in I’m going to go in mad You just you can address the problem But the the key isn’t about like okay I’m good at you know bringing up and and going through barriers in regards to confrontation It’s not that It’s that barrier no longer produces that response So I can dance up to the barrier If it gets crossed it gets crossed you know and it’s like whatever Not nervous about it Nervous about it Just makes you more comfortable crossing the barrier if need be Whatever Who helped you get there? Yes Ideally I’m not going to try to cross a barrier as far as being good terms bad terms I’m not going to try to go to bad terms anytime you know or be impolite or something I don’t think it’s not but I mean that that’s more depends on what kind of person you’re I think Um but like I said the key for me or the the the element the critical element there was that barrier how I felt about being near it or crossing it or not crossing it whatever Um didn’t cure it but it helped so much All okay I won’t make the story long but that we we are all hoping that you’re not Actually this is actually after I started jiu-jitsu but just an example So I was doing video work for Yes for this guy I’m not I’m not going to say who It doesn’t matter Um and he had found out that I was doing other video work I don’t know maybe he had a sense of like owner I don’t know He he knew that or he found out or knew that I was doing video for not a competitive thing or nothing like that but just other video work kind of like hey wait you’re not spending all your time on my stuff kind of thing That’s what I got the sense of but nonetheless and it had to do with travel you know so I was traveling here and I’m like hey I got to go cuz I have to travel now to this other place and it’s kind like that’s where I felt it Um nonetheless so the video wasn’t due till like this certain date And then um I was like “Yeah my prediction I should have it by this date ” which was way ahead of the date by the way And then that day I didn’t have it And I was like “Oh you know I didn’t think it was going to be a big deal cuz it just didn’t seem like a big deal ” Your predicted date didn’t get there It wasn’t the due date right? Right Not even Yeah And then um so I was like “Oh I don’t have it ” you know if you know I’ve been working on it but you know I don’t have it Maybe tomorrow like something like that The kind of like maybe like one hour I’ll have it for you It wasn’t an hour but it was like I’ll have it to you soon And and he was like I thought given kind of our history or whatever I thought he was be like “Okay well cool Tomorrow let’s we’ll see it tomorrow I’m excited to see it “ kind of a thing That’s what I was expecting Um but he was like he was like “Oh okay Tomorrow um you know I’m really disappointed that you don’t have it for me right now ” And I was really expecting to have that to see something and I’m really disappointed that you don’t have anything for me right now And I was like boom heart just beating This was on the phone too by the way Dang It’s not like oh I was you know confronted you know anything It was just that and bro to the point where I didn’t even know what to say So what did you say? I was like I don’t even know what I said I think it was just kind of like I didn’t say anything It was like so is that maybe one of the one of the things that’s caused you to really hold back on making a bunch of videos for John Podcast? Cuz there’s a bunch of us that want to make that phone call to you Well if that were we’re disappointed Just so you know we that listen to this podcast we’re disappointed If that were the case wouldn’t I be wouldn’t I be making videos every single day if that were the case? Well I wish Well what can we do differently over here on our end? Anyway that was an that’s an example just like how cuz really when when I think about it back like that’s not a big confrontation It probably had a lot to do with expectation anyway But yeah for some reason though generally speaking the jiu-jitsu helped as long you have is you have genuine intentions I think hey that confrontation’s going to come Cool Next question The serious question is about serious question indirect approach I have a history of starting things and then giving up on them when I get bored I’m the same way by the way or anyway A friend of mine is the same I’m working on it by sticking with one thing making a website which will be done in two weeks I call my friend once a month and he always tells me about some new hairbrain idea that he never acts on I’ve tried suggesting that he pick one thing and stick with it but he immediately shuts down How can I take the indirect approach and get him to actually follow through on things? Okay so you’re trying to help your friend prioritize and execute which is really good to go Your friend sounds like he needs to prioritize and execute and get some follow-through going on with that as well I would say this Do you want to do a little indirect there? What I might do with him is get involved in a project with him Like pick one of those when he calls up with one of these hairbrained ideas and you think it’s a decent one Say “Okay cool Let’s rock and roll with that I want to get in the game ” And then lay out some deadlines like “Hey this is what we need to get done by here This is what we need to get done by this point I’ll do these four items You do these four items “ And that’s what we’ll get going Here’s the due date that we’ll get them done by so we can make this launch Boom Right? And then you deliver your end You deliver your end And then when he doesn’t now you can have a better discussion that’s not so uh aggressive You have a reason for it you know And then you know maybe even subtly tell them that you’re hey can I I’m going to go ahead and go proceed further with your idea Like I’m you’re not going to do it I’m gonna do it It just became my idea right? then because you’re not going to execute because he needs to understand that idea people that’s great I’m glad you have a lot of great ideas but it doesn’t help doesn’t get anything done and ideas without executions ideas without execution the ideas themselves literally do not exist your idea is worthless it’s totally worthless if you don’t execute on it so you have to execute in the the execution of ideas into life Right? We that’s what it is When you when you execute an idea it’s creation It’s not dreaming It’s not thinking It’s doing You are creating something And that’s awesome Like just creation is is an awesome thing to be a part of And it’s an awesome thing to lead and to take an idea and turn it into something that’s real and create and deliver it That’s that’s just a hugely rewarding thing in life And he obviously probably hasn’t experienced that many times And so how can you let him know that? Let him know that you know ideas mean nothing without execution And our goal is to create something And again I think the best way to do that is to join forces with him and drag him along so he can get that feeling of the satisfaction of how good it feels to make something happen Now the the bad news is if he doesn’t like like if he doesn’t do his things he doesn’t do his part you can coach him you can prod him along you can do what you can to help him but eventually you got to go out and make things happen on your own I mean that’s just what you got to do And you can’t It’s very hard I can’t I’m not gonna say you can’t but it’s very very difficult to help people that don’t want to be helped that don’t recognize their errors that have their their egos to because a lot of people that are idea people they they’ll literally tell you that you know like well I’m an idea guy I’m an idea guy is what I do over here And and you know you say okay cool I’m going to go over here and actually make things happen So bye-bye your ideas So if it’s someone that’s arrogant like that because that’s that’s a level of arrogance right? Hey look I don’t do this little labor stuff I’m not a guy about execution What I do is I have ideas and brilliance That’s what I do over here That’s those people are not going to help you Yeah So eventually you do what you can to help him out You try and get him involved in some of your projects Help Hopefully you can get him all the way through a project where he can see the and feel the gratification of success and execution and creation But if he never tastes that blood he’s he’s going to be a vegetarian That’s the way it’s going to go down He’s going to be a salad eater and and that’s not good Nothing wrong with eating salads by the way No I eat salads I eat salad with steak on them Salad bro That’s so true So my brother we know him Jade he does apps like obviously you know his his company they they do apps So apps uh let’s say I’m just saying in general now apps websites um video in my case So these are things there’s other the other industries and skills or whatever but these are the things that attract the idea people Hey I got an idea for a video I got an idea for an app I got an idea for a website I got idea So we me my brother we’re we attract these people right So it’s like when you encounter that it’s kind of like me saying I have an idea for the cure for cancer So what it does is it goes in and it targets just the cancer cells and it leaves all the other cells alone All of them just leaves them alone Just just kills the cancer cells So let’s say in like I don’t know 100 years that happens right? I’m like that was my idea bro No it wasn’t It wasn’t your idea the ideas mean that just like how you said it’s so it gets and to say it gets annoying I mean that’s kind of maybe not the most accurate way it for lack of a better term it’s real interesting that it’s not that clear to people you know when if you’re cuz execution is everything the idea I think might have been Tim Ferris some some were saying idea is worth like super like super small amount I’ll even go further and say it’s literally worth worth nothing just like you just like how you said I guess there’s some granularity of of it’s you know what’s weird it’s it’s a dichotomy because the idea is worthless and at the same time it’s the most valuable thing but it only gets value if it gets executed on otherwise it has zero value Yeah And to the execution part execution because here’s what you get too and I actually in a way was kind of one of these people where I be like I have all these cool ideas So the first thing I’m going to do when I get this idea I’m going to go buy the domain name right? I’m gonna you know sell this you know whatever and by the domain name because I’m doing it I’m executing Boom Step one So that’s what this guy’s doing right now You know this guy who has these ideas and stuff This is what he’s or some form of this He’s a domain habitual domain name He’s going to buy the domain name Um he might you know he might see if the trademark or the whatever is you know taken and all this stuff he’ll register and you know once the once the work starts he like ah well I’m kind of bored right that was the thing bored of that and meanwhile like that’s usually the fun part you know the excitement oo I see all the potential and all this stuff but when the reality starts hitting and you know the hills get steeper and stuff like that oh the hard work yeah yeah that the actual part of any idea being materialized yeah when that comes to view or comes into um you know into play that’s when they quote unquote get bored Yeah And when you take one maybe two steps back this it’s really clear because you you consider the the percentage of people just in life who are successful in like their dream thing I’m a computer programmer and now I own a computer programming business I don’t know that’s my example The amount of people who have that actually happening are really few And furthermore you ask any one of those people it was never like I had the idea I bought the domain name 3 weeks later it we were moving It’s never that It’s like oh my gosh flop on my face fail years decades A lot of the time you know it’s a grind Gr Yeah And that and that’s all that execution right there Executing is hard One time I sold contact lenses you know the colored contact lenses So it’s totally illegal I shouldn’t have done it I imported them from I don’t know I didn’t import them but I bought them from a website Are we going back to the values conversation? Kind of Putting people’s eyesight at risk so you can make a dollar Well they weren’t prescription They’re all good You can buy them It was just like But nonetheless I bought them and they they’d only take like 5 days to get here So I I knew how to make websites I knew how to do all that stuff So I just made a website color contact lenses you know and I knew about SEO and stuff like so I just made the website you know eight bucks a month or something or a year for the domain website was free because Jade had the platform where you can make websites So I sold a bunch of contacts u Halloween time comes around perfect SEO color contact San Diego buy them from me People would buy them and be like “Oh you bought one and then buy just buy it from the website comes in I just send them to them ” Execution Oh so you you’re proud of this? it I’m not proud of selling contact I’m proud of the execution part Good job And then it sort of got bored bored with it So all right next question Yeah let’s go to the next question Boy or this one Joo I was wondering what your opinion was on when to start a child in jiu-jitsu My daughter was in the game at age seven and I’m on the mats as well My son is three and a half and has expressed that he is very ready to start as well My concern is starting him too young Him getting crushed and falling out of love with jiu-jitsu before he has a chance to fall in love with it This is a romance storyj Uh okay So completely dependent on the maturity of the kid Yeah And how old was your daughter when she started training? Two two I I’ll tell you about the circumstances No two Two Straight up Two Less than two and a half She’s really mature really smart and athletic and durable So that’s that’s like as young as you’re going to get Yeah Um and and what what how many times a week would you go? Two And was there other small children in the class? Yes you had some kind of an you knew somebody that was all springing their kid in or something like that or they had a good playmate in there You kind of need to make that happen It’s kind of a long I’ll I’ll I’ll tell you about it for sure Um basically it’s uh you know Matt Becker and them it’s a it’s Gracie Certified Training Center up in it’s it’s a smaller um gym but so you know they have programs for younger kids or whatever and it’s essentially like you you modify the young kids which is like four four and up It’s playing that’s what it is But here’s the thing You learn jiu-jitsu moves for sure And in there you’ll say you’ll teach them that this is jiu-jitsu They don’t know that you’re they’re they’re going to tap They just think they’re going to hold the person down They don’t know that it’s a mount And they’re thinking they’re trying to get out of the mount They just think they’re just trying to get off the bottom Yeah And they they have games where you balance on stuff and it works on their balance on you have these you know the mits that you hit you know Muay Thai They line them up and you get to it’s like oh walking on the bus So they play all these games but it’s crazy how like it’s jiu-jitsu It’s like Karate Kid man You know on Karate Kid when it’s like sand wax on wax off And they’re and they get good at the wax on wax off Cuz it’s kind of fun Well wax on wax off not fun but the stuff you do in there is fun And then when they’re like “Okay who?” And it’s really you you got to find the right person man The right teacher Cuz man Mad He was like he’s so gentle Kids are cuz there’s other young kids and they’re they’re running around you know? They’re not He knows He knows not everyone’s going to be paying attention you you got to and so they got to know how to deal with kids But yeah man she she took it and it was it was good Yeah And and there’s some kids that are 11 and 12 years old that aren’t ready for jiu-jitsu They’re just not there yet And I would also say less is more for a young kid You know you don’t want to just burn them out Don’t smoke them on that every day Make them look forward Pull them off the mat They want to stay a little bit longer Hey we got to go I mean you let them have some fun But um I burned my kids out Yeah Um and I backed off in time for my son cuz he was younger and I didn’t you know cuz my my daughters I was like “Compete train compete train compete ” Oh I’m going to put you in the heavier weight class the older kids bracket I mean I just did it wrong right? Just did it wrong And and I didn’t back off in time And so now they train you know I mean not as much as they should right? My son trains all the time Um but I did a bad job of making jiu-jitsu fun right? Cuz that’s and that’s what you know that’s why I like the fact that this question he’s saying “Am I starting him too young or he’s going to get crushed?” Hey you shouldn’t you no gym that you take your three and a halfyear-old child to should be allowing him to get crushed Yeah that shouldn’t be happening So if you have a good gym where you got the right instructor um that then go and let them have fun and make sure it just stays fun and and if they don’t love it you you can’t make them love it It’s not going to happen Now this is a good story One of my son’s friends who I always want all everyone to train jiu-jitsu obviously but this guy’s a friend of mine known for a long time and his has a son that’s my son’s age and so they kind of grown up together and you know my son’s always training jiu-jitsu And I would say “Hey you know when they were 6 years old hey have your son come in and try it ” Came in and tried it One day hated it Year later now you know a year I don’t know something like that 13 months 18 months or something Comes in a year later tries it again He’s like now seven years old hates it Just just doesn’t like it Can’t stand it Then comes in at you know 9 years old Comes in loves it He trains every day now You know he trains all the time and and you know now he’s my and and and I’ll tell you what this is what’s cool is that he’s it’s not like he’s a million years it’s not so so my son trained three years more or maybe even four years more than than this other kid my son is that kid caught up right I mean my son’s still a little bit a little bit better but they’re in the same game right there it’s not like it’s not like that my son has this massive lead No the kid loves it and you can learn You can learn and get better you know at any age But my point in saying that is forcing him to be in it for those three years would not have helped He would have he would have quit jiu-jitsu completely But just having and showing it to him and saying “Hey this is what you do ” And you know he didn’t like getting choked right? That’s and and maybe that’s me It’s my buddy’s son So hey let’s let’s get after it a little bit and and we weren’t letting him get chokes but he just didn’t like the claustrophobia of it right? And there is claustrophobia You’re going to feel that even in a even in a gentle situation with a six-year-old if you’re getting held down you don’t like it Yeah He didn’t like it Yeah Now he’s holding people down himself So you you you basically what I’m saying is forcing someone a kid to do something for two years You think you’re getting this value two years worth of value You’re not getting two years worth of value You’re actually going the other direction So you might as well just let him try it occasionally And I say that sometimes kids will at my gym they’ll “Hey you know my son just doesn’t want to do it right now ” And I go “No problem ” Hey you know what? I say they say “I just want to make him come ” I go “Don’t make him come ” I go “Don’t make him come Let him come when he wants to You know you you’re going to stop your membership that’s cool If he wants to come in on Saturdays bring him in You know he wants to come in once a you know once a month to to just keep him familiar do that Just do that You don’t grind their brains out when they’re whatever little kids even big kids I think I know how like you say like jiu-jitsu should be fun So the if Okay so like Okay You ever watch a Bronx Tale? You ever watch that? Okay So there’s a part on that where where uh you know these biker guys they’re in the bar you know causing trouble Can’t get out Exactly Right So that’s what it is And this is what this is what this guy got to be care Okay so for those who’ve never seen Bronx Tale these biker guys are in the bar and they’re like causing trouble and all this stuff and and then the people there hey you guys please leave The mobsters the mobsters say hey guys please leave You need to get out of here They’re like hey we’ll do whatever we want He’s like no no no They’re like hey okay we’ll leave Let me get one beer And the guy’s like all right one more beer They grab the beer and they shake the beer all over All this stuff So anyway they lock the doors They say “Hey we asked you to leave Now you can’t leave ” Right? Bad situation for the biker guys So this is what in in my opinion this guy has to avoid Like if his son three and a half is like “Dang I’m showing interest I want to get kind of get on the mats I want to jump in here I see what’s going on It looks like fun I’m going to jump in ” Don’t be like “Hey you want to get in now? You can’t leave ” Don’t do that kind of stuff Don’t do that Leave the door open Right Yes Exactly So as you know Press is three and a half now where she went to Matt Beckers for a while and learned it and and it was cool And now I just bring her with me just once a week when I go on Fridays or whatever Um he I bring her with me I don’t tell her jump in the class and just come be familiar with the mats You see dad rolling you see Jaco rolling you see Andy you know and she has fun Everyone talks you know she’s pretty outgoing She has fun now Now she just likes them The mats is fun you know Everyone talks to her She she she hangs with um um she coaches you Crystal’s son is there Yeah she she cheers for me too But you know Crystal Sun is there Aren’t I her favorite jiu-jitsu guy though? No I think it was Andy Yeah sorry Um so you know so she likes it She’s famili familiar I’m not going to say “Hey we’re here so we got to get our reps today ” You know it’s not that when she wants to come like Mount and she will She’ll be like “Hey oh let me show this guy ” There’s um I forget his name but it’s like “Hey let me show him Mount ” And there’s this whole series that she learned from you know like finding the arms and keeping the balance all this stuff And she likes to do it you know So now she always wants to go There you go And and at at home or whatever when you know my mom comes and visits she’s like “Hey let me show Grandma Mount “ And she wants to do it you know Beautiful And yeah so that’ll keep her in the game And when she starts getting a lot more ability you know age like three and a half now So like let’s say four five six seven She’s going to start to realize oh shoot I can do this stuff now you know because all these little things that I learned just by playing around really And that’s kind of what you want with that But if it’s if they look at it this thing that my dad forced me to do and it’s so hard and claustrophobic and guy’s sweating on me and I’m losing the whole time because I just started and I’m rolling with Thor the whole time and he’s you know killing me or whatever And that’s my experience My whole regard for the jiu-jitsu is going to be like “Yeah you don’t ” There’s also a little bit of rebellion in all in most children And like my one of my daughters she doesn’t want to train jiu-jitsu but she wrestles in high school So that’s awesome I think that’s an example But she almost does that just to be you know no I wrestle Little does she know she got flanked She got flanked So But yeah man I I think so I mean back to the question I think that um there given a certain type of teacher which I mean the demands on a teacher for a you know a young even three years yeah it’s so hard so you got to it’s rare to find a teacher especially if you have a teacher who doesn’t like do that you know if it’s like okay I’m going to make an exception for this cuz I’ve seen guys they’re comfortable they’re friends of the gym kind of thing and they’re like yeah my kids too but hey we all like each other right hey jump in the kids class He’s two He’s running around He’s interrupting the class Like yeah it’s not it’s not good If the kid’s not ready and the teacher that’s not a compatible We straight up if the kid’s not ready we’ll say “Hey your kid’s not ready ” Yeah You can’t you can’t be in here Yeah Come back in 6 months You want to bring them in and watch on Saturdays? Cool Get familiar That’s what you do You bring them in to watch It’s the time we’re going You know hopefully he’s not disruptive Hopefully Well they can’t be disruptive or they can’t stay Right Right Hey you can’t do that Yeah Go Yeah Well yeah So in that case you know it’s not going to work But yeah that’s it Just like how you said just open the door I’m cruising in here Look and see the doors open I’m cruising here I’m doing fun stuff Come on in I’m not going to close the door I’m not going to go uh Bronx tail on you You know that’s how you do it My opinion Check All right We got time for one more One more Yeah Okay Draco have you most Okay Draco I have mostly lived a life dominated by doubt and fear What are your thoughts on how I can step into bravery? You know I actually took this question from Twitter and I answered the question in one word You’ve lived a life dominated by doubt and fear How do you step into bravery? Step that That’s how you step into bravery Step Take the step Step aggressively towards your fear And that that step towards your fear is the step into bravery Because we we’re we’re scared of what we don’t know And there is only one way to learn and to know and that is to confront that fear You have to step You have to go And this simple action this simple attitude it answers so many questions So many questions How how do you get to the gym every day? You step You go How do you How do you change your diet? You step You go How do you overcome fear of failure or fear of success or or fear of fear itself? You step And how do you face the fear of the unknown? You step Don’t wait anymore Don’t think anymore Don’t plan anymore Don’t contemplate anymore Don’t make any more excuses or justifications Don’t rationalize anything else No No And no Instead be aggressive Take action now And what is the first action that you need to take? What’s the first step you need to take? The first step you need to take is just that step And I think that’s all I’ve got for tonight So speaking of stepping echo Charles if somebody wanted to step up and support this podcast what would be a good step in making that happen? Okay before I go into that good day today Warrior bars came in I mentioned I tried the jalapeno one anyway Came in today Outstanding Um I’ve been you know this I’ve been kind of kind of off Had the stomach flu Mhm Two MRIs on my knee to see what up Two knees you know So I kind of been out of the game Two weeks out of the game Today was my first day back in the game First day back in the game Did a Metcon lifted some weights didn’t do the jujits yet but um yeah fully functional All good Life has meaning again Then the Warrior Bars come in Good day for Echo Charles Great day Um Warrior Bars On it Warrior Bars And we talked about this before So all right back to the supporting the podcast thing I know you’re like “What does that have to do with supporting the podcast?” So on it Warrior Bars On it is supplements I remember back in the day Back in the day when I first not first but maybe a few years into lifting You know how people they’ll just get supplements Yeah Right Joe Weider super weight gain 2000 Exactly Weight gain 2000 you know all the betagen phosphagen Yeah Uh creatine you know even though apparently creatine is a good thing Anyway I for real I found that like supplements no supplements no factor doesn’t even make a difference like when I was on supplements like weight gainer I didn’t gain a bunch of weight no more than I would without the supplements Anyway so the point there is supplements are whack in my opinion And what I found out that you focus on the wrong thing on as far as supplementation goes it’s going to be whack So on on com/jooj that’s for the 10% off but I’m going to get to that And don’t worry this has to do with supporting the podcast So so on it they have the correct supplements and not only the correct supplements the good qual because supplements don’t have to be anything They don’t have to be You can have chalk pills and be like “Hey increase your mood ” I don’t know whatever Increase some your weight gain whatever But these are like legit one of the few Anyway and okay so if you want to supplement something don’t get like weight gainers you know? If you want to gain weight you can do that in the correct way without supplements This is what you supplement What you know as you wear and tear your joints your joints don’t get much blood flow like compared to muscles So they tend to get more wear and tear with less like as far as speedy recovery goes Your muscles recover quicker than your joints That’s what I’m saying You supplement something Supplement that That needs supplementation if you’re getting after it Krill oil That was a big lead in bro I’m Look I could say take krill oil it’ll help your joints You’re like “Okay ” You know because every commercial or every what they’ll be like “Hey take this It’ll help this ” You need like some contact context and like the information that kind of backs it up you know? Got to be real And this is real Nonetheless krill oil is one of the supplements that I recommend for your joints I told the story about how when I’d get out of bed and I’d be like all jacked up cuz my daughter would jump on my back right out of bed You’re like but you got to warm up for that kind stuff typically but not not anymore cuz I’ve been on the cru oil Strong bone by the way for your joints as well It’s not strong bone Strong bone Yeah I don’t know the uh I don’t know the reason for that It’s just dope like that But if you’re looking for it no G strong That’s for joints and stuff Uh what else did you take? Oh Alpha Brain of course So the point behind all this shroom tech Shroom techch Here’s what shroom tech does I think everybody knows what it does Here’s the thing I don’t think so I’d be like “Hey it it makes you get after it for longer ” Would you ever listen to the podcast every time we say what Shroom Tech does? I’m going to clarify I’m going to clarify Okay You know what? Go for it You know what? I’m going to sit back Okay Clarify I’m going to clarify it to you and and just just agree or disagree if this is correct Okay So I don’t even have to use scientific terms I’m just put it into perspective So if I’m going to I’m not no I don’t want you to use You haven’t had enough alpha brain to use scientific terms right now So just use whatever terms Okay I’m going to do I’m going to do a metcon Then use them quickly I’m going to do a metcon I’m going to do like 10 rounds of jiu-jitsu five rounds of jiu-jitsu whatever If I’m not on shroom tech sport by the way this shroom techch immune as well but shroom tech sport So it it helps you like utilize oxygen So what that means is when you hit the you know when you when you’re like in a car where it goes to the when you’re redlinining that needle’s hitting the red bro you can’t you can’t pull ahead when you’re in the red Can’t pull ahead when you’re in the red Know that So if you’re not on the Shroom Tech and you hit the red and don’t be halfway through your workout when you’re the needle is hitting the red you’re redlining already You can’t go past You can’t push through what the shroom tech does If you have that in you that needle won’t go towards the red It’ll go up there It’ll go the green maybe even in the yellow and it’ll hang in the yellow And you be pushing hard halfway 3/4 last you know minute two minutes of the round you won’t even be by the red You’ll still be in the yellow That’s what the shroom tech does Agree Agree Boom There you go Go take the shroom tech Shroom techch sport by the way Okay So now the slashjako what that signifies is you get 10% off Good deal I would say retail price is for suckers I would say that but it’s not true Pay real retail if you want or save 10% Just go to onit com and and just get it Don’t get the 10% off Pay 100% up to you Nonetheless you got the shroom tech you got the warrior bars is like this dope thing as well Look into that grill oil for your joints You get all that stuff In my opinion it helps That’s why it’s not like the beta gin power gain 5000 where it doesn’t help This is the fural kind that helps Understood There you go We we we’re good with you I’m telling every No I’m telling everybody else You’re over here like I already know this I know you already know this but you know you got to put it into perspective sometimes You just certainly did onet com/joo There’s other things on there and it’s you can just kind of know you know like when you when you when you get there You’re going crazy for on it right now No here’s the thing I like on it I’m going crazy You like it a lot more apparently tonight Yeah because I I do feel like if I would have known this like what I’m saying now Oh like before cuz I’m slowly getting new stuff Of course I got the worry bar and I took shroom tech before I know that But I’m like looking they got a new like recovery pre-workout and recovery drink It’s allin-one And I’m like bro if I would have known all this I would have gotten and been in the game with this stuff a long time ago So you’re you’re providing a public service I’m taking a stand right now I’m letting it be known All right we’re good Anyway I’m just going to sit over here I’ll tell you another one that I got off the Well I guess it’s on the record but it’s like a It’s not peanut butter You know how they have almond butter? Yeah But it’s like a almond cash cashew It’s like a mix not butter It’s pretty dope From Onet On it Yeah I might have to try that Yeah Nonetheless um one of the major keys is that it’s like legit quality get 10% off if you go to haunted com/joo or just go to haunted com and get 0% off whatever you like Anyway another way to support is the Amazon clickth through That’s like what it is if you don’t know You go to our websites jockodcast com over on the side to the right you’ll see just a basic Amazon banner you click through there before you do shopping your Christmas shopping or your everyday shopping And um that kind of supports the podcast It makes Amazon or Amazon gives us like a little kickback That’s a good way to support I made the comparison to a little piece of sodium It’s like seems like this teeny tiny thing because just clicking through Amazon and shopping what that’s a teeny tiny 3se secondond effort but it does a big deal you know as far as supporting it means we don’t have to run advertisements on the podcast Yeah Which I which I don’t believe in probably going to do not going to do aside from on it which technically that’s well that’s our you know but I was taking on it before this I’m telling you Um anyway but you know what? Hold on a second while we go to a commercial break Yeah No don’t want to do that Yeah This isn’t even a commercial break This is a part of this is the deal We’re doing it I’m going to if I remember to do this I’m going to do like fake commercials during the next podcast or like in a podcast in the future I’m going to do fake commercials and I’ll make everyone just suffer through fake commercials just to see how much it it’s horrible and then say if you never want to hear that again click through click through Amazon Yeah Yeah Yeah That’s a that’s a good way though Speaking of fake commercials so I did these two fake commercials made them videos I’ve seen them Bartis beer and then there’s Bartis Prime which is like a 40 ounce It’s a lot of racial stereotypes that one But nonetheless um back to the Amazon clickthrough thing that’s a good way to support So be the be the sodium if you if you understand Um and of course subscribe to the podcast on iTunes That’s a that’s a big deal Um and leave a review man if you’re in the mood Do you read the reviews J? I do read the reviews And what I noticed I was I was looking at some other reviews today because I was reading I read our reviews today to see if there’s any good input There was good stuff I look at other what what this kind of got me motivated to see is that the people that write our reviews they’re getting in the game They’re writing full paragraphs with detailed likes and pros and cons and all that You go to some other people’s that that have feedback on theirs and it’s just two words good podcast or I love it Yeah I love it Five stars That’s I love it Five stars is a lot different than someone saying what I really like about the Joo podcast is that they go into detail on these leadership elements that have helped me in the following ways But and they go through the whole thing Yeah that’s really good support the podcast I’ll tell you this about that cuz really when you think about it if if you’re just like and some of them are funny by the way Yeah And the ones for for Jooot Teeth that are on Amazon I’m gonna have to figure out a way to publish those or do something with them because some of them are are awesome Eric’s Erics was insane But there’s been a few of them Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah Those are good I retweeted a bunch of them Yeah So every but it’s a little hard to retweet them So I had I have to figure out a way to retweet them better like capture screenshot or something But they’re so good They’re so funny Are they Some of them are pretty wordsmithesque Oh some of them are long Some of them it takes me you know six minutes to read it and I want to actually highlight stuff and take notes Yeah add them add them to the deal But yeah yeah that’s that’s a good Well when you think about it even if if someone’s in the mood to write a review and they’re just like heck yeah great podcast five stars I say do that That’s true too Doesn’t have to be long But you what that is when people are like this is what I like about it whatever That’s just all that is is the result of someone being in the mood to write a review and genuinely writing it Freaking awesome Beyond writing it I’d say that qualifies as getting after it Getting after it Yeah So you know how you say unmedicated discipline in all things or is it getting after it in all things? Daily You’re missing the word daily Daily Yeah Yeah Anyway Yeah Just unmitigated daily discipline in all things Yep and getting after it in all things as well I know that’s new but still we’re going with it So so yeah man Write a review Subscribe to YouTube We’re doing some more videos on top of the podcast videos Excerpts Some excerpts Tell Eko on Twitter what excerpts you want so he doesn’t have to figure out what you want Just tell him what you want Give him the the podcast and the times time hack He’ll pull it out He’ll put it on there Yeah I will Yeah that’s that’s I think the the challenge I think is going back and finding them But that you know what that’s not a challenge That’s not a ch Well it is it is a little bit because you might not and something might not have struck you the way it struck someone else Yeah Yeah That’s true That’s true And so if it’s striking one person out there it’s probably striking at least four or five more people that want to hear that excerpt So let’s give it to them So tail echo podcast number timestamp That would be easy for you right? Yes cuz we don’t want to stress you out No don’t stress the delicate We know that you’re sensitive to that We don’t want to be disappointed in you Except if you’re Brady Lisa Debbie Andy anyone that we t don’t be like “Hey I like this timestamp because like we said your name on the podcast ” Make an excerpt Don’t say that So those people kind of can’t do that Why not? All right Well I guess we’re they should be They’re listening Yeah Yeah They probably have good input Andy’s one is going to be like 20 seconds long Hey that part where you mentioned good 20 seconds is fine This is what you need to understand Echo People want to watch stuff that’s 20 seconds long They don’t want to watch 29 minutes That’s why it’s called an excerpt Jo we got a store We do have a store It’s called Jaco Store Well yeah I know We already knew this but no real new developments there really but if you didn’t know that is a good way to support and you get some stuff in return So boom buy a shirt if you’re down If you like them There’s one with Jaco’s face on It says good backwards Backwards So if you look in the mirror it’s it’s for you That message is for you Layers anyway Um yeah look at there’s rash guards there Rash guards are good for you know the jiu-jitsu for any physical activity where you need range of motion Rash guards good They look good too according to people Here’s a tip for the rash guards and I think for the shirts as well If you’re one of those inbetweeners like that means your sight like hey I I wear a large but if it fits slim I need an extra large like that kind of people it fits like this much slimmer know that So if you’re in between everything rash guard and the shirts go big Go to the bigger size if you’re an inbetweener Yeah for sure That’s just a tip Good advice because and that’s good news for you though You know what? Out of the past 39 minutes you’ve been talking about this way to support the podcast That was the most important thing that you’ve said That was the valuable piece of information arguably Yeah Me just saying over here I respect your opinion on the matter This some women’s stuff too Don’t neglect the ladies Um this is in my opinion something that I overlooked If you want to support the podcast you know you know how it’s like “Oh my girl’s birthday’s coming up ” In this case Christmas’s coming up I only bought my wife one thing and it was it wasn’t that good because I don’t have that creative thing If you’re thinking that get them a discipline equals freedom women’s t-shirt V-neck pink or black or whatever the color you like but there is pink If you want pink get him one of that against my That’s a That’ll have a two-pronged effect Boom You get her a solid shirt that you didn’t you know get at the swap meet They’re quality stuff They’re they’re good shirts You know we made it a point to get the good ones You got a good quality shirt and she became instantly in the game Two-pronged effect So get that for your wife if you want That’s a suggestion And three-pronged effect Support the podcast Boom There it is Some hoodies in there as well for the cold weather And uh yeah some patches the official like 2×3 tan FD flat dark earth color official wear with your uniform Boom Available now as they say Anyway jocklestore com Um also we got Jaco White tea Now Jaco White tea is in apparently extremely high demand Why? because it tastes awesome and it also makes you feel good and it’s got antioxidants which makes you healthier Yes And I’m not going to use any scientific terms I’m just going to tell you straight up So it’s been it’s been in high demand We have logistical issues right? Straight up So it’s showing up at Amazon It’s getting going through their system Just keep checking And we’ve got and I told I told everyone that we would never run out of white tea again This was a mistake Yeah Promptly I did not understand the logistic challenges that we would be facing Now I have not even doubled down not even tripled down I have quadrupled down to make the future bright We will get to a point in the future where we will literally never run out of Jaco White tea But for now we But for now um keep checking back on Amazon Sign up for the little notification thing cuz when we when they clear it through their little system it shows up and everyone that has the notification is buying it immediately So it’s running out The other day it was up for 18 minutes or something It was gone Wait what notific? Yeah Okay You can sign up for notify me when this is back in stock Gotcha So when that happens boom you can order it immediately The mugs the mugs that say get after it on them and that have a little uh approved symbol with someone’s head that looks a lot like me on it You can get those on Amazon as well And they’re big They’re bigger than normal because bigger that way you can fit more white tea in it and be more better and you can get those Those are also same thing on Amazon Again I apologize but the way the system works they’re coming in they show up and then they and then they take a certain amount of them and put them into the system but then they don’t realize yet at Amazon Amazon doesn’t they’re not in the game yet to be quite honest with you They’re not in the game They don’t understand what’s happening We’re trying to explain it to them that people want mugs They want when they want mugs they also want tea to put into the mugs We’re getting there Same thing Logistically we’ll get to a point where we where we will not run out of mugs Now I don’t know The mugs we’ll keep making forever I don’t know because once everyone has one then they’ll say “Okay I got mine ” So then we’ll stop making them But you can get them on Amazon You can get the tea on Amazon You can get the reload which is 100 bags You can get the 10 which is quality container that you can then reload with the reload So do that That’s on amazon com Uh also extreme ownership muster number two in where? New York City It’s going to be May 4th and May 5th www extreownership com Go get registered Do it fast The price does go up the closer we get to the date So A I don’t want you to pay more B it’s going to sell out So the faster you do it the the better chance you have of going and of paying a lower price when we get there If you’re thinking that I’m not going to sit there and talk to you and I’m not going to sign your book and Le’s not going to sit there and talk to you and Le’s not going to sign your book you’re wrong We’re going to sit there We’re gonna sign your book We’re gonna talk to you We’re gonna address your problems We’re gonna hang out We didn’t go behind the curtain Nope At all Zero times Actually we did one When the thing was over we walked back off stage off off the off the stage and behind the curtain for about three minutes cuz we were a little bit fired up at that point We just walked back there and decompressed then came out and started signing books That was one time But the rest of the time oh we’d say “Okay everyone take a a 10-minute break ” We’d go to the front and sign books right? Boom Or talk to people or address something or whatever So this isn’t a a thing where you go and we’re going to be uh you know behind the curtain and come out like I’m a rockstar And I’m not a rock star I’m not a I’m not nothing And the my purpose of being here is to hang out So that’s why we’re going to the muster That’s why we’re having the muster So come to the muster New York City Come and hang out You’re going to learn something I’m gonna learn something Oh yeah We’re all going to learn something And you’re going to meet a bunch of people that are I hate using this term Bunch of people that are like-minded right? Cuz really can two minds be alike? No they can’t be But can two people three people 300 450 people that are going to be in New York City that all want to get after it can they be there? Yes they can And they will in force until we get to the monster In the meantime if you want to talk to us it just so happens that we’re all up in the interwebs on Twitter on Instagram and as you might have sensed we also on that Facebooky boha echo Echo is echo Charles and I am at Jooowillink And to wrap this up thank you for listening Thank you for listening for the past year 52 straight weeks no breaks But I want to say this I want to tell you something else And I want to make this clear Don’t just listen Don’t just listen Do I’m I’m not just talking So you know I’m not just talking I’m doing And I don’t want you to just listen Put this information to work Make today count every day Go forward Get aggressive and attack Whether it’s on the battlefield or on the beat or in the factory or on the farm or on the construction site or on the website in the garage or in the firehouse don’t hesitate [Music] Step Step forward and get after it So until next time this is Echo and Jaco out
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