jocko podcast 159 w/ Echo Charles: Machiavellian Rules for Warfare and Life. Machiavelli.

this is Jocko podcast number 159 with echo Charles and me Jocko Willing good evening echo good evening there’s a a terrible feeling in the gut that I’ve only felt while I was overseas in Iraq and it’s it’s this deeply distressed kind of sick feeling and it literally feel it in your gut literally feel it in your stomach in my stomach and it’s not it’s not the fear it’s not fear it’s not it’s not the fear of death because when you get to a point when you kind of accept that death is a possibility and you’re okay with it then that fear kind of goes away and it’s not the fear of one of your guys being wounded to kill it’s not that either because even that fear even that fear you you you kind of get a control of that fear because you know you can’t dwell on it because you know if you dwell on the fear of one of your guys getting wounded or getting killed then that’s gonna detract from the very thing that you’re supposed to be doing that will most likely prevent your guys from being wounded or killed if you’re dwelling on that fear you won’t be doing the things you should be doing like planning and training and preparing and inspecting and reviewing and leading so even that fear wallets persistent and heavy and potent it’s you have some level of control over but when something goes wrong when something happens and you’re responsible and the burden of command settles down with its monstrous monstrous weight on top of your shoulders because there’s no one else to blame that’s what I’m talking about and actually I felt it for the first time really a little bit during my first deployment that I did to Iraq and my platoon we we did what we were supposed to do some things didn’t go right not nothing crazy but mistakes were made and when there was actually back to back to back missions with related targets that we were going after and I was the assault force commander and I think one of them I might have even been the Ground Force commander so I was clearly responsible for these missions and there were some mistakes made and my commanding officer came and spoke to me about it you know pulled me aside to point out the mistakes and the resulting impacts that these mistakes were gonna have and he wasn’t happy I mean he wasn’t he wasn’t mad because we had a good relationship and he was talking to me just straight but he wasn’t happy and you know I kept a calm face and I took ownership and said hey my fault this is the things we’re gonna do to fix it you know but even though I kind of kept a calm face in front of him when he left I again I felt like this retching in my stomach that that I had made some kind of mistake and and one of the worst things about is there’s nothing you can do like the mistake happened you can’t go back you can’t fix it and I can’t compare that feeling to anything else really that I’ve felt because I’ve never felt anything else that feels like that enough I’ve talked about it with my friends and leadership positions overseas and like actually the first time is actually stoner that talked to me about this this gut feeling and he had something going on and yeah he’s like he’s like you know that feeling and I was like oh yeah I know that feeling and like I said I’ve never I’ve never felt this feeling this gnawing feeling in your gut that’s eating you from the inside I I think you see it sometimes if you watch you know some movies try and capture this feeling of where it’s basically where someone’s life is falling apart but they’re trying to keep a facade up that everything’s going okay have you ever seen the movie Fargo no okay I got you on this woke up in this movie Fargo there’s a guy and he’s he’s a car salesman and he’s been fudging the numbers and then he’s he’s he’s trying to kill someone there’s all these things are happening and it’s off and he’s a very I would say a very naive person mmm and he’s you know married and he’s got kids and he’s trying to do this stuff that’s not right and he knows it and it’s starting to come apart and that that’s the kind of thing we you can see it’s just eating him from the inside so I think it’s that that type of knowing deep feeling where everything is going wrong and there’s nothing you can do about it that’s the that’s the closest I I think I can come is it’s just when things are going so wrong there’s nothing you can do about it and I think that that feeling that feeling for me I think that’s why number one that’s why I always say combat is humbling it’s because of that feeling right there where you something went wrong you couldn’t stop it you couldn’t control it you can’t fix it it is what it is and that makes it humbling extremely humbling and because of that it made me want to make sure that I did everything humanly possible to prevent from that to prevent that feeling from crabbing hold of me again if if I could help it it opened up my mind it made me it made me always want to listen to other people’s input because I always said to myself wait if I couldn’t see what was going on over here how do I ever know where my blind spots are hmm I always think I must have blind spots somewhere there must be something I don’t know see something I don’t understand how can I listen I need to make sure I listen to other people’s viewpoints and perspectives so that I don’t so I can cover and and yeah cover as many blind spots as possible hmm review other methods and other ideas and other principles to see what I could learn from them and when people raise opposing points to me I don’t object to them it I don’t bristle up and it’s it doesn’t offend me when somebody says something that that isn’t that I don’t agree with it doesn’t offend me at all in fact I want to know more about it and as I as I go through my life I try and continue to listen I try to absorb opposing opinions and process them and I want to just understand them I want to understand the context of them I want to understand the perspective of them it’s it’s how I think I’m going to eliminate as many blind spots as possible so when someone would tell me like a new tactic right a new tactic when I was in the teams and someone said hey we’re doing this now and there’s of course when somebody tells you something new there’s always a part of you that says that whistles up to it and I again those humbling situations that feeling in my gut that I didn’t want to feel it pushed that that ego down because I actually want to hear what your idea is I want to hear if this is a blind spot I haven’t noticed I want I want that idea to work I want to see how it works I want to see if it works and sometimes they would work and it’s any and I would learn something sometimes they wouldn’t you know sometimes it would reconfirm the reason and then that person would learn hey the reason we don’t do what you’re wanting to do is because of this and so now I’m helping them with a blind spot that they might have but either way my goal was always to learn to hear other people’s viewpoints and that’s the way I remain today those other viewpoints are gonna make me sharper I’m gonna read things so that I can see them from other angles understand things from other angles they can strike when you understand something from another angle you can strengthen your position or you can leave your position if you realize that your position is wrong and it’s gonna make me better and it’s making me better not for me not cuz I want to be better but for the people that around me the people up and down the chain of command that I’m trying to support them so I can do my job better as a leader as a follower and as a person and also so that I can as much as humanly possible avoid that wretched thieving miserable feeling in my guts so I was thinking a lot about that and tonight we’re gonna explore some principles of war actually called general rules by this individual Machiavelli this is a good Machiavelli Nicolo Machiavelli this is the guy that wrote the prince he’s got all kinds of great quotes out there it’s better to be feared than loved if you can if you cannot be both he’s God never never was anything great achieved without danger here’s one if an injury has been done if an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that is vengeance need not be feared that’s pretty ruthless here’s another one hence it comes about that all armed profits have been victorious and all unarmed profits have been destroyed you know one more quick quote as you you can you can just google Machiavellian quotes and you’ll find a bunch of great ones men rise from one ambition to another first they seek to secure themselves against attack then they attack others and that’s actually from the prince which is his most famous book and if you think about the process of being a human being that right there is very accurate and you can really see that with accuracy if you overlay that on jujitsu first you seek to secure yourself from attack and then you attack others right when you’re rolling at first when you first start you’re just trying to defend you’re not to get choked and then eventually you can stop from getting choked and you can stop from getting armlock and you start trying to attack those people in or walk them so that’s Machiavelli and if you don’t know anything about him he was an Italian really a politician and a diplomat and but on top of that this was during the Renaissance period and and he’s an actual Renaissance man so he was a poet he was a philosopher he was a playwright he was an author of books born in 1469 died in 1527 from 1503 to 1506 he was in charge of the Florentine militia and when he was in charge of that militia he didn’t like mercenaries because he realized the weakness of mercenaries is that they they’re they’re getting paid that’s why they’re fighting or not fighting become their true belief system so he raised and recruited a citizen army and they were well respected on the battlefield and they fought in some pretty good battles and won but it didn’t last forever Florentine was eventually defeated and dissolved and Machiavelli was accused of conspiracy and tortured and I of course whenever I I go down a lot of rabbit holes but I went down that torture rabbit hole for a little while yesterday and they pretty brutal about it but he they thought to use a conspiratorial out of him they eventually just exiled them and that’s when he wrote his book the prince which I’m sure will cover on here at some point this is where you hear this is where the word Machiavellian yeah you know that’s kind of it usually refers to his book The Prince and and usually that word nowadays is used to describe someone that’s kind of scheming and unscrupulous if like if you look it up in the dictionary that’s it’ll give you a definition along those lines and like someone that’s trying to snake and making things happy it happened but in like I said I’m sure we’ll cover that book at some point but after that he wrote a another book which is called the art of war and it’s it’s definitely a really good book it’s you know we will probably parse through the entire thing at some point but one thing that’s good about it is in the end of the book he part seven of the book and there’s yeah that’s the last the last part of the book he basically breaks out the most important principles from the book which makes it pretty easy and straightforward to the talking to or to explain them and and then you can get the details on like I said I’m sure we’ll get granular at some point on it but here’s what he says in this book he’s and it’s bear with me a little bit only because the the translation is old I know that I have told you many things which by yourself you might have understood and considered notwithstanding I have done it as today also I have told you for to be able to show you better meaning there of the quality of this army and also to satisfy those if there be any whom have not had the same commodity to understand them as you normy thinks that there are other to tell you than certain general rules the which you shall have most familiar which be these which is his way of saying listen I wrote a lot of stuff I’m glad you understood it or at least you say you did but just in case some other people can’t understand it I’m gonna break it down for you very simply in these general rules and and like I said the translation the translation that that I read of this book is called the tutor translations by and it’s translated by a guy named Peter Whitehorn in 1560 so we’re talking like somewhat archaic language and it’s a little bit tricky you know to get through brought up I’ll talk through him and we’ll get into an understandable format and there we go so like I said he says hey look I wrote a lot of stuff here’s the general rules that you should be most familiar with here we go number one the same that help if the enemy hurt if thee and the same that help if the hurt if the enemy that one’s pretty straightforward right what benefits the enemy harms you and what benefits you harms the enemy straightforward I think you know that’s one of those common principles that across the ages everyone says and the reason they say that it’s because people forget it people forget that if if if we’re if we can hurt the enemy in any way it’s helping us and anything we do that benefits us is gonna hurt the enemy yeah so sometimes we forget that mm-hmm that’s why many of these various canons of principles on war remind us of that because it’s an important fact number two he that shall be in war most vigilant to observe the devices of the enemy and shall take most pain to exercise his army shall endure least perils and may hope most of the so what does that mean that means pay attention that means be vigilant in observing the methods and plans of the enemy when you’re in war number one pay attention to who you’re fighting against hmm understand who they are Andy Berke mm-hmm he was going to do an e bi I think it was an e bi match yeah you know he was going against yeah Craig Jones yeah you know anything about Craig Jones yeah Craig Jones is Savage Andy you know he’s he’s awesome but wouldn’t wear up or training we’re training hard mm-hm he goes and competes against him and loses fast yeah why do you lose he lost because gweld number one cuz Craig Jones is awesome and you know what Andy’s real good at he was good at all of jiu-jitsu but he’s got real good foot locks got real good heel hooks he likes to play that game you know it’s training with me training with Dean list do you and so he’s rolling in didn’t know much about Craig Jones in fact he didn’t know anything about Craig Jones oh dang he just said oh yeah he’s good whatever yeah not not in a disrespectful way right but you ever heard somebody say like when they say hey woody woody or what do you think about your opponent’s left hook or whatever they say what do you think about your opponent’s ground-and-pound and they say I’m not worried about my opponent mmm it’s what I’m gonna do it’s not what they’re gonna do you don’t mean and I don’t mean that in a bad way I’m not trying to say Andy was cocky but a nice thing was like look god you know I did you did sir yeah though this approach yeah like I do just do it hey and also there’s a little bit of like hey well you might go against this guy but he might get hurt or you might have this or whatever you know what I mean so right and it was a tournament as well so you can’t really get focused on one guy you’re gonna be fighting three or four guys and one night you just got to get your jujitsu game up yeah so Andy rolls in and he went right into Craig Jones’s game in seconds and and the other thing was and he’s super relaxed like I mean he’s he’s relaxed anyways so he’s like okay this is do you know we’re just gonna do some jiu-jitsu and and it’ll escalate over time and eventually you know something you know will get to that point and whatever and he goes in and boom and goes right into like wanna crack Jane Craig Jones is like really good moves it just goes right into it for him and you know I was bummed and obviously Andy’s bummed but didn’t do any you know we me I should have been like hey man let’s look at your opponents let’s check out their game cuz if you just know you know how it is if you’re aware of someone’s game you can definitely mitigate it you can’t defeat I’m not saying he could defeat Craig Jones but he would have been he wouldn’t have fallen into that in a matter of seconds he would have been oh this is his move there I need I know what to do to at least mitigate the first attack the second attack right if you don’t do that you’re gonna you can have problems and any and he got and he came back and read that he’s like you say yeah that guy’s good so props to my boy Craig Jones you beat my my boy hopefully you guys will meet again one day and you’ll get it he’ll get another go and he’ll know your game a little bit better but bottom line is study your opponents study your opponents now can you go to farm of that yeah you can because some people think oh I wish that happens sometimes when the UFC some little miss Wade or they’ll get hurt and they’ll throw a new opponent Matt wasn’t ready for that guy had been training for a strike or now you’re putting me up against a grappler or whatever yeah so you know Sarge this is pretty cool Sarge who was a really good was and he is a really good wrestler he’s also jiu-jitsu now but he was he said when he would train for wrestling you know cuz he was a high school wrestler at Poway which if you know anything about wrestling in California or actually in America you know Poway high school has a like real dominant wrestling program and he was a wrestler there as was his brother but he said when he would train he would he would picture someone with no face and it’s because you know when you’re in the high school wrestling scene out here in California you know the people that you’re gonna come up against right in the tournament you’re gonna come up against these six guys you know that two of them are good or whatever but he just say no anyone he would look at him he’s like when I would look at him before a match I wouldn’t even I just see like a blur just fog in their face and then he said once he would knew he was gonna go against that guy then he’d look at him in a calculate their face and be like I’m gonna kill this guy okay but that’s why his point in that was he didn’t want to get like his mind off set by oh it’s not who I expected it to be right so he wouldn’t have any expectation on who’s gonna be he was just gonna get in the murder mode and then when he when he finally realized that they’re walking out with a map but then then he’d look at their face think okay this is the guy I’m going against and I’m gonna kill him mmm which for Sarge you know that me he’s the action so observe the methods and plans of your enemy absolutely next part of his you you have to endure much hardship and training of course you gotta train hard so observe your enemy know what they’re doing and then train really really hard and you’re gonna have a greater chance for victory of course common sense next one number three never conduct by men to fight the field if first thou has not confirmed their minds and knowest them to be without fear and to be in good order for though for thou oughtest never to enterprise any dangerous thing with thy soldiers but when thou seest that they hope to overcome so again we’re dealing with some Middle English er I think you English linguists people can get at me if I’m wrong but we’re pretty close to Middle English maybe it’s a little late Middle English but we’re in the ballpark so what is he talking about they’re never lead your soldiers into an engagement unless you are assured of their courage and then he actually says unless you know them to be without fear which is the stretch in my mind because you’re gonna have people they’re gonna be afraid in fact when you can you’re gone it people are gonna be afraid when they’re going into combat ninety something percent a high percentage of people are gonna have some level of fear but you do need to make sure that they’re gonna be able to overcome that fear so if you’ve got people that are shaking in their shoes and they feel you know you think they’re gonna do not they’ve not been tested at all well then that that could be a real problem there’s an in the question becomes okay well how do you test if someone’s gonna be afraid or not what do you think they do in the military with people what do they do what to make them not scared read tests they’re here yeah how do you test for fear put them in scary situations for scary situations in training make them rappel off the high tower make them extend to Airborne School hey Airborne School I would say you know of course there’s there’s some level of some things that you need to learn in Airborne School but you’re basically I mean you can literally throw a sack of potatoes out of an airplane with a parachute on and it’s gonna land up pretty much okay most of the time and that’s what you do when you go to the school you learn the proper exit procedures when I went to airport school tech hazy here’s the actual procedures here’s how you land you’re floating down you don’t have much control over your parachute so there’s not a lot to learn technically it’s not like a major skill set I mean it’s a thrilling pretty this way it’s a three week school right it’s not like it’s on it’s not a long intensive school about learning how to pack parachutes or even how to maneuver yourself here cuz there’s only so much you can do hmm so what is it that’s important about Airborne School what’s important about Airborne School is you’re gonna overcome the fear of jumping out of a damn airplane mm-hmm that’s important that’s why an airborne you go talk to the 82nd Airborne Division of 101st Airborne Division those guys are awesome and they have that little thing that they’ve all done that has put them they’ve been screened out a little bit because some people are gonna be afraid so yes that’s what you do you make people do hard everything’s I mean in the SEAL Teams it’s the same thing what do they do you’re gonna learn how to parachute then you’re gonna parachute at night then inter parachute at night into the water mmm then you’re gonna jump out of a helicopter at night at you know 20 feet into the darkness and with a boat and you’re gonna rig that thing up and you’re gonna dive at night and you’re gonna swim at night in the open ocean oh you’re just gonna go so that scares some people if somebody has never really scared me yeah I have no fear of sharks let me rephrase that I have no fear that a shark is randomly gonna bite me if I was in the water and there were sharks I’d be scared yes and I know that they’re sharks in the water since that guy should be here but I don’t know I feel lucky yeah I feel like sharks don’t really want to eat me in that very much they’d rather eat like someone like you well I guess if you’re on a surfboard I guess that increases the chances from what ended yeah yeah because you look like a seal sure I got like a sea animal seal yeah so that’s what you do you put people in situations where they’re gonna be afraid you know and this is something that I think everyone should do if you have a job that’s gonna cause stress you want to put people in stressful situations so that’s how you test that fear and again you’re not going to remove the fear from people what you want to figure out is can they overcome the fear yeah that’s what you want to figure out what else you say know that they’re organized never make an attempt unless you unless you see they hope for victory hmm so you gotta convince if you’re telling your guys like hey we’re probably gonna lose yeah you don’t say that you say look it’s gonna be hard but there’s a chance we could take this you know what I mean yeah yeah you got to get them in that attitude not the attitude of like oh we’re just gonna lose we’re just going down here for no reason yeah don’t let that happen yeah number four it is better to conquer the enemy with famine than with iron in the victory of which fortune may do more than valiant nests that one’s pretty self-explanatory it’s better to defeat the enemy by hunger than steel you know it’s better to let him starve than have to go and fight him and then he says in such a victory the fortune like your luck counts more than volumous which is cool understandable this is one of those things where heard me say before the best victories are the victories where the person doesn’t even know that you’re fighting them that’s the best victory and then if you can if you can maintain your ego after you win and you don’t glow then they never even didn’t even register it Yeah right then another and a fight they didn’t know they were gonna fight yeah that’s what you want this is very similar but both this is this part I’ll throw a little back at it in such fortune victory counts more than Val unis yeah good fortune is gonna help but guess what we’re gonna make our own luck we’re gonna make our own luck that’s what we’re gonna do hmm we’re gonna and we’re gonna make bad luck for the enemy we’re gonna dry up River so we’re gonna damn River so they can’t grow food mmm that’s what we’re gonna do mmm so when it cut off supply chains that’s what we’re gonna do we’re gonna make up we’re gonna make fortune favored us yeah number five no purpose is better than that which is hidden from the enemy until you have executed it boom pretty straightforward no plan is better than that which you have concealed from the enemy until the time you execute it it’s no doubt true in life true in business true in jiu-jitsu that’s what just essentially the element of surprise surprise yeah if you if you if your enemy doesn’t know what you’re gonna do yeah and then you’re done and they go that was a nice arm walk yeah or wow you really took over that market share and I didn’t see it coming yeah yeah if you don’t see it coming that’s really it they see it coming from a mile away it’s like huh yeah you can still do that sometimes Dean does that yeah but we did we talked about that but he does different things though like yeah yeah he’ll like many many steps yeah yeah he’ll tie up your defenses while it’s all when you when you see the incoming mm he ties up all your defenses like as it gets close number six – no in the war how to understand occasion and to take it help if more than any other thing to know and war how to understand occasion and take it helpeth more than any other thing what does that mean that means you one of the best skills you can have is knowing how to recognize a good opportunity in war or in life and take advantage of that opportunity that is more beneficial than anything else and you know what the biggest and most blatant example where you see this well your kids aren’t old enough but with kids mm-hmm just kids kids have so much opportunity in life yeah and they just don’t take each other like they should yeah right yeah yeah what I could see how that could be for sure but I think that’s because they have hard time connecting now and then the future you know I guess that’s the thing yeah there’s no doubt that they have there’s no doubt that they have that athletes yeah real good athletes the same thing they have all this potential yeah any time someone well not anytime oftentimes somebody that are some people that are given a gift yeah this is given to him hmm they don’t have to work for it and they don’t want to take advantage of it they don’t see the opportunity they don’t take advantage of the opportunity yeah ever that skill set is yeah good yeah almost like um you know when you give the kid a gift versus or money versus if they earn it yeah I think you covered that up a little kid yeah that’s that’s way covered on where the warrior kids yeah so when you earn it it’s like you know the hard work sort of it takes and you can appreciate it and then whatever comes out of that but yeah if it’s given to you you just you run the risk of squandering it for sure especially when the going kind of gets rough you know yeah no no next nature breed a–the few strong men the industry and the exercise maketh many what does that mean that means you know nature makes very few strong brave men but hard work and training makes many boom you gotta work for it yeah you want people to be brave you want people to be have courage make them strong make them work hard mm-hmm that will absolutely increase their bravery remember that question we got asked a while ago about how do I make my unit guy was in a military military you know how do I make them proud how do I increase their level of pride train hard yeah they will get physically stronger they will get mentally stronger and from that they will start to take pride in themselves and try to themselves as a unit mm-hmm eight discipline may do more in war than fury figured you’d like town yeah kind of like that one discipline counts more than fury in war discipline counts more than fury in life I’m not discounting emotions I’m not doing that because you can’t because sometimes men people’s emotions they get they will carry them through a really tough time period that’s why in discipline because freedom in the Field Manual I talked about how you got to use both its logic and you got to use emotions yeah and when sometimes when emotionally it doesn’t make any sense or you’re gonna break emotionally you got to go with the logic of the situation like I got to drive through this yeah and vice versa sometimes the logics like this it makes no sense whatsoever yeah and it turn to the emotional side yeah but discipline he says may do more and he’s right it’s not 100% like discipline because if you have people that are just discipline but they have no heart they have no emotion well how good are they mm-hmm they’re not that good mmm they’re not they’re not as good as the person that has both yeah there’s not as good as a person that has discipline and a little bit of fury you know they can kind of get crazy when they need to but in MMA you see this you’ll see someone when they’re young and they’ll lose some fights because they’ll they’ll sit someone down or whatever and then they’ll just go crazy trying to catch me look at Conner triangle mm-hmm you have to maintain your discipline even during the the actual battle you have to maintain your discipline you can’t let the fury get ahold of you yeah too much fury discipline fear yeah you don’t do you watch the side work fight right the reason Amanda Nunez yes so this is what it seemed like he’s fast but this is what it looked like where cyborg landed like a solid one and a man in Nunez as a response unleashed fury like some legit fury fury but it was discipline fury because when she started landing hard ones she didn’t like overcome it it was like really balance you know he looked great but there was some there was a lot of fury fury there like it wasn’t like all just spoken calculated like punches to do if there was fury and but Tim Kennedy someone’s like the UFC tweeted out like she’s throwing haymakers and Tim Kennedy’s like those aren’t haymakers because every single one of them hit yeah they were full punches I’m Amanda that were nailing cyborg right in the head yeah and most of time like in five times in a row you don’t you don’t normally see five punches land yeah it’s especially not punches that are thrown with that much fury yeah you can kind of tell one like you see like their their feet when they’re you know throwing punches like you could there’s like a huge forward lean if they’re haymakers there’s like this huge forward leans and they’re usually pressing forward like fully but when they’re like disciplined there’s like that you see you can see the balance like they’ll back up just a little bit you know it’s good so good yeah so who’s crazy discipline may do more than fury so you know what make sure you have some discipline all right next one number nine when any depart from the enemy’s side for to come to serve thee when they be faithful they shall be unto thee all these great gains for that power of the adversaries are moored minused with the loss of them that run away then tone of than those that be slain although that the name of a fugitive be to new friends suspected an old too odious too old odious so what is he talking about traitor sir three is talking about so nice a win any depart from the enemy side to come serve you so when people leave the enemy and they come to serve with you they’re gonna be more loyal and they’re great they’re great acquisition and actually he’s saying that people that leave the enemy and come to your side are more powerful for you than people that you’ve killed and they’re they have more value the when they come aboard your team they’re gonna be suspected you know the the old that your team is gonna look at him with like a cautious eye and the team that they left are gonna hate them yeah they’re gonna hate them that was weird when Solzhenitsyn was saying that when they would capture the Russian turncoat soldiers that were now fighting for the Nazis as soon as they spoke any Russian they’d kill him that was that was a pretty scary thought so this is very accurate from that perspective yeah give you’re a traitor we’re not even gonna give you a chance we’re just gonna kill you yeah wait so who wait who so the Russians the Russians didn’t kill him that no so there was a whole group of Russian soldiers yeah that turned against Stalin and turned against Russia and started fighting for the Nazis yes and so when the Russians would capture those what they considered to be traitors as soon as they heard a soldier speaking Russian they’d kill him the Nazis II mean they were they were Russian soldiers fighting for the Nazis was it possible that was the guys name so there was a German or sorry a Russian general that was the leader of that whole group the vassal army I think was the name yeah and so when the Russian Stalin’s Russian actual red soldiers would capture these traitors that were fighting against them now yeah they would if they heard him speaking Russian they’d kill him hmm so this is from that perspective it’s accurate hmm yeah I wonder why they’re more valuable you think because what because or what or loyal he said loyal right – well the the dirty Russian soldiers that were now fighting for the Nazis they would fight to the death because they knew that they were dead anyways right I captured yeah like if they got yeah so yeah they were they would fight even harder the thing that I’m not sure about this is well I I guess I agree with it I I do agree with it when someone’s a traitor you’re suspect of them right yes II know you’re just you’re just like here you get your you’re a traitor I’m suspect to you yes oh it’s gonna take a little time for me to actually trust that you really came to my side yeah but I guess like when you think about just like I said you know they know they’re dead anyway kind of thing where it’s like okay let’s I mean you were enemies whatever and one of my guys goes to you and says hey I give up I’ll help you I give up you’re like okay he gives up I get it and let’s see what he has to offer kind of thing but I suspect yeah but you’re suspect but let’s say a guy in your team used to be on my team and I know that I’m pissed at that guy yeah and then he gives up now to me to my guys like might I see him or whatever and he’s like I give up I’ll help you oh no no no you don’t give up you’re dead yeah so it’s like that like I say they know they’re dead anyway what the Russians did to the vaasam soldiers yeah so you go you traded okay cool you’re dead and that makes sense right so that’s probably why they have to be loyal because it’s either loyalty or death you know they can’t give up anymore if I am NOT a traitor I can give up and get BP owb whatever I can I can give up I have that option trader who already made the trade he doesn’t have that option that’s why he’s loyal he has to be like at a minimum he’s gonna fight to the death yeah and it’s interesting too that traders are you know in the business world because in the business world you know there’s every always recruiting there’s a limited number of their human capital limits and in the world and we can only get so many people that can do this job mm-hm and if you have skills in that job you’re getting recruited all the time and so that’s that hurts when they leave mmm and that’s why and and just to kind of close the loop on this when they leave almost all the time their reason the reason that they’re leaving is because of leadership mmm or I should say lack of leadership inside their organization so if you have a if you have a problem hanging on to people in your organization it’s most likely a leadership problem not a comp problem not a midlife crisis problem for the employee it’s a leadership problem because good good people will stay with good leaders and if there’s not good leaders they’re looking for another job they’re looking for another way they’re looking for another opportunity mm-hmm leadership leadership leadership and get some number 10 better it is in pitching the field to reserve behind the first fun aid enough then to make the front bigger to disperse the soldiers what that’s saying is it’s better to keep your reserves just behind them to keep some reserves just behind the front lines rather than spread out your reserves and take on a bigger front trying to hold more area it’s better day you know this is prioritized next keep your keep your focus of effort even with your reserves keep focus of effort keep them consolidated so you can utilize them well next up number 11 he is difficult Lee overcome which can know his own power and the same of the enemy okay let’s that was almost like a Yoda fight sir he has difficulty overcome so what we’re saying there is it’s hard to overcome someone who knows how to recognize or knows and understands his own power and the power of the enemies or does I mean know your strengths and weaknesses that’s what it means yes since who says that right yes something about yes deal definitely number 12 the valiant nests of the soldiers availeth more than the multitude sometimes the situation helpeth more than the valiant is so what we’re talking about there is that the bravery of the soldiers is worth more than the number of soldiers you have makes sense if you have brave courageous soldiers they can take a lot more and they can do a lot more than people or soldiers that are afraid so you want brave soldiers and then it says the site what does it say that sometimes the situation help if more than the value Ness so even that what Trump’s the courageous and what Trump’s the bravery is what’s the what’s the terrain situation you know what’s the environment that you’re in what are the rules of the game what are the rules of the game that you’re playing because if you if you know the rules you’re gonna be in a much better situation the this happens in jiu-jitsu right yes because the rules are always a little bit different there’s no unified set of rules in jiu-jitsu yeah there’s some close but there’s no unified set of rules and sometimes someone will lose simply because they don’t know the rules yeah and then once you know the rules you gotta train to the rules yes like EBI yes EBI you have those positions that you start over in if you’re an overtime you started in spiderweb you start on the back right if you don’t if you don’t if once you know those rules then you got to practice those positions so you can finish that one walk so you can finish from the back or fruit you can escape from you to one of those two yeah if you don’t know that you don’t practice it cause like for instance I’m pretty good at finishing on arm lock pretty good at finishing an armlock sure on the back I normally transition from the back to another position hmm so I would if I was going an epi tournament I’d have to go and focus on what that rule set isn’t make sure I know how to win from that position yeah yeah absolutely yeah big one is the submission only versus points so if people like let’s say they spend ten years competing with points in the tournament’s you know then they go to submission only with a guy who’s only trained in submission only he’s gonna uh you know is gonna have an Advent in all these different yet different ways cuz certain rules don’t apply some do yeah and the terrain park man this is this is it took me a while to understand this in my Navy career how important terrain is and now it’s so obvious but when you’re maneuvering on the battlefield if you know how to read terrain well you have a complete advantage over the enemy complete advantage over the enemy you should be paying attention to that terrain studying maps looking at it now they have all these you can you can simulate the earth right it’s a Google Maps like a high speed where you can get down at eye level and you can walk the terrain and really understand what the visibility to think that’s the kind of that’s that’s you should you’ve got to take advantage of those tools mmm you gotta understand the terrain you gotta understand the terrain that you’re going into in the business world you go got to go into a company understanding what the situation is there when you get hired into a new company you want to know the terrain you want to know who’s got the clout you know you want to know who the movers and shakers are mm-hmm you want to know what things are off-limits and whatever yeah wanna know who’s buying who’s like you know baby baby you know people always say there’s a billion dollar industry right like that kind of stuff like oh is it you know how’s the what’s the need for your product I’m remembering today what’s shark tank this is what they always ask what was the was this a particular product or no no everyone like pretty much that’s one of the things like they asked where they say they’ll be like oh yeah this is like a million how you know a million people own pets you know and all these pets need this you know so you see something so they kind of they got another terrain in that way yeah that’s just there to know how many people have pets then they don’t know many people gonna buy that shampoo dude Shark Tank we maybe we should just do a leadership show about Shark Tale what you’ve learned from shark tank next up number 13 new and sudden thing make Army’s afraid slow and custom things be little regarded of them therefore make the army practice and to know with small fights a new enemy before thou come to fight the field with him Oh Middle English coming at you what what is that what it basically what we’re saying here is number one new and surprising things frighten armies hmm the new and surprising things frighten people so on the opposing to that customary and expected things they can handle so what do you do how do you do how do you how do you properly mitigate that therefore you practice and you fight small engagements to get them experienced hmm before you go to battle on the big battlefield with them when the enemy that’s what you do train hard don’t dive right in get them used to the new technology that’s what you do this is another good one with kids right you’ll throw your kid into this scenario that they haven’t been into before you give them a little taste of it mmm oh yeah this is uh this is exposure therapy once again I get asked on the warrior kid podcasts I get asked every like every day I get at least one question from a kid that’s I’m afraid of what do I do and I yeah I’ve usually wait two or three podcasts before I answer the same question again because it’s kids they gotta get the repetition they’re gonna get the reps in yes but it’s exposure-therapy you’re afraid of something cool do a little bit of it and then do a little bit more and that’s unknowingly what I did and where the warrior kid won with him overcoming his fear of the water I didn’t know that that was a real thing not until Jordan Peterson’s like this is called exposure to therapy yeah I guess I need to talk like Kermit the Frog to imitate Jordan but but he’s like yeah that’s exposure to therapy yeah okay next number 13 now we’re on to number 14 he that with disorder falleth the enemy after that he is broken will do no other than to become of a conqueror a loser if you pursue a routed enemy in a disorganized manner victory will be lost and you’ll become a loser keep it under control Allah Amanda Nunez right she had the victory and you ever seen that that one real quick clip and I forget who the fighter is that did it isn’t UFC the guy takes a body shot and he keels over like he’s about to like go down and the dude comes running in swing and yeah the dude that’s keeled over like he’s hurt just back yeah he wasn’t hurt he was just faking it yeah I think he was hurt talked about Scott Yi yeah maybe he was hurt but he wasn’t it hurt as bad as he right functional apparently doctor dude out yeah it was the last thing is his nickname is Drago I know that it’s interesting that that stuff doesn’t happen more often it’s like a trick football place yeah how come more trick football players don’t happen because they’d lose their trickery element of it and they’ll sometimes there’s a lot of risk involved there’s more risk than like a traditional play a lot of times yeah yeah and it’s like like the rope II don’t remember that with the rope-a-dope oh yeah yeah you essentially like act like you’re kind of hurt or tired or whatever and then they punched himself out then you get them but yeah yeah yeah you gotta be careful on that King stuff so when you do have your enemy on the run don’t go after them crazy okay keep it under control yeah there’s a play in football called the reverse right and I thought that because you just said it why don’t they run you know I didn’t play football yeah and when you see the trick plays yeah then you think well that seemed to work pretty good why don’t they do that stuff more often yeah yeah okay so here’s a common trick play right be the quarterback does the sweep right through they got to the running back there runs on the outside and then the running back oh he stops before he reaches the line of scrimmage he stops and he throws the football not to a receiver but to the quarterback mm-hmm who ran a route on the other side of the field and cuz no one’s gonna cover the quarterback he’s not a receiver you know and that was wide open the past always wide open so called we called it past back to the quarterback so good like a sweet pass back to the crowd okay but I can see where there’s risk in that one yes because that’s a running back you gotta nail that throw which is really hard for running back typically but I’d say the the one that would always work is in Pop Warner anyway it would always work is the reverse it’s essentially like you do a sweep everyone’s running this way to block for this running back everyone except for the one tight in or why do you see whatever who’s coming this way and the running back hands it off to him going this way so he’s full speed running this way so everyone has to change direction to chase him and usually that set of fields wide open um it works way better in Pop Warner and younger teams because they don’t know like these these situations like they don’t know they just see everyone running there and they just sort of go you know more than a professional they’re gonna be like wait I shouldn’t just be you know but that was one I was like why don’t we just always run the reverse because every time this is this team that we played against they’d always run it and it always I understand why if you ran it every time well then then the regular reverse order the regular play would become the surprise but it seems like it seems like you could keep people guessing a little bit more those trick plays always see I always look at how it’s pretty creative and pretty good yeah yeah I think you see it like um kind of like I said like when you go up in like skill like you’re going to the rose or whatever trick plays don’t work is good they have to be really advanced trick plays that’s what you have you ever seen like the trick play that like where they like almost walk off the field yeah and then they like walk over like there’s something wrong with the ball or something like stand up and they’ll be like no something’s wrong and then they just start running yeah yeah so even that and then those can backfire too because they’ll be like if all it takes is one defensive person to know that hey that ball is in play right now so they can just sort of walk over and hit it out of the hand grab it from whatever they want because no one’s blocking them you know no one’s like everything it’s kind of it’s just risky sure you get more people doing that they’re gonna be like oh they’re hip to it anyway would never work after a while number 15 he that prepare if not necessary victuals to live upon is overcome without iron so whoever does not prepare food and provisions necessary to live there’s going to be overcome without any weapons at all so what does that mean take care of your people take care of make sure you take care of your logistics logistics wins Wars and people need to survive so do that number 16 he that trusteth more in horseman than in footmen or more in footmen than in horseman must accommodate himself with the situation so in the ancient time she had cavalry on horses and you had the infantry men on the feet and he said if you prefer one over the other then you have to put yourself in the right situation where it’s advantageous so that’s why it’s good to be well-balanced and not really prefer one over the other but if you do then put yourself in a situation that’s most advantageous to your style or preference of fighting hmm but make sure you learn how to wrestle because if you don’t know how to wrestle someone else is gonna dictate to you where that fights gonna go 17 when Val right see if in the day there be coming any spy into the camp cause every man to go into his Lodge okay so what we’re saying is this pretty straightforward basically headcount if you want to see if there’s a spy the Camp average send everyone to their place you know get a head count no big deal 18 change purpose when thou perceives that the enemy have foreseen it was I mean if you if you think the enemy or if you perceive that the enemy knows what you’re doing didn’t change your plan hmm that’s that’s what that means pretty straight forward now where we don’t do that or the reason most of the time we don’t do that is because of our ego we got our plan and we’re gonna stick to it now this is a total this is why the leadership is hard because there’s a point where your plan you got your plan and if you stick to your plan you can it’s gonna work right and then there’s a point where you can stick in your plan you’re sticking with the plan and it’s gonna fail because it’s not working so as a leader this is the hardest things to do as leaders didn’t recognize like you know what the plan that I came up with it’s not gonna be perfect but it’s still gonna work and where to go with it cuz to try and change the plan halfway through is really hard to do even if you rehearse the contingencies now if you Earth’s the contingencies properly you’re probably be able execute your new plan pretty easily if you didn’t it’s gonna be a problem so this is one of the hardest things for a leader to do is to pay enough attention and then weigh the risk versus reward because if you’re coming up with if you have your plan and you’re executing the plan and all of a sudden something change it’s not quite what you thought you decide you’re gonna try and do something completely different what your change is that you make on the fly are gonna cause as much confusion as what the enemy is doing and it’s gonna be a real problem however like this says if the enemy sees what you’re doing and now they’re reacting to it in a proper way and your plan is no longer effective you have to be you have to be able to comprehend that and discern whether you should change or not and that’s one of the hardest things for the hardest decisions for a leader to make as it’s happening well what’s worse than that is we have a long period of time when you start talking about strategic plans this is where ego gets more involved yeah because when I have this plan and this is what we’re going to do and I’m just gonna stick with it and if it’s not working I’m gonna do it harder yeah so that’s what you want to watch out for mmm you know there’s like some of these companies being taken down by online companies right you gotta have changed your game plan yeah you know you got to adjust you got to look at them and say okay what are they doing where are they going you know blockbuster like that like I’ve said this before blockbuster could have could have completely dominated Netflix but what did they do no we’re just over here hey people are gonna keep coming to our stores yeah you know there’s a certain feeling that you get when you come into a store you get to look at on browse with the movies it’s like you could pick up popcorn where you can you’re popular at your house you know people gonna want to come into these stores yeah no actually they’re not they already have popcorn at the house Amazon delivered it yesterday in an hour by the way yeah and then your turn through and Alan and yet they had all the relationships with the movie places and then with one of those movie companies called fully production companies was like what’s Warner Brothers what is that yeah production studio yeah yeah oh they had studio they got the relationships with the studios they could’ve been like hey we’re gonna start selling this stuff online yeah and they woulda said well that doesn’t make any sense cuz that it’s gonna be all jumbled up when it gets downloaded yeah but it’s gonna get better we’re just playing the long game yeah it’s weird that’s why I said they were thinking you know it’s too hard to download a movie on the Internet’s gonna be even jumbled up there’s gonna be offering no one even knew what Bob did Netflix an event buffering no buffering is just saying in it situation yeah when it has to catch up was do you remember Jeff five years ago there was buffering on all kinds of stuff but now there’s hardly any buffering barely any buffering I bet my littlest daughter doesn’t even know what buffering is they’re just streaming I’m sure she knows what it is but she has never witnessed it yeah well then again you know you bad service somewhere yeah get some buffering they weren’t wrong they were wrong Blockbuster mm-hmm but they just the whole idea of like people like coming into Blockbuster and browsing the movies and buying the thing is that’s true like we did like doing that yeah but it’s because we didn’t have a better option yeah like when you go like even going to the store sometimes it’s kind of cool and fun you know sometimes but most of the time at the end of the day I’d rather compress the button then go to the store I’d rather press a button – every single time yeah yeah and there’s also that thing where you you’re it’s a positive feedback loop right it’s an echo chamber I like going on you know to those people in the in the c-suite of blockbuster like I’m you know my wife loves going down and picking out movies and the kids they love doing that you know this was like yeah you know my kids love that – so ain’t my teenage daughter likes doing it too with her friends and like there’s no other option yeah your teenage daughter would be rather being her own alone in a room clicking on the next Netflix movie you know popular popcorn that got delivered earlier yeah so if you if you are so on a strategy and it’s not working you got to recognize that you need to change it note to self everyone in the leadership position pay attention to that one next up number 20 soldiers when they abide at home are maintained with fear and punishment after when they are led to the war with hope and with reward know what’s that saying is when soldiers are confined to their quarters they’re kept there by fear and punishment when they led to war they’re led by hope and reward you know fear for me is just not a good tool for a leader to use period I’m not saying you never this is I’m not saying you should never use it right you there should be some element a little element of fear right does the element of fear sure right let me ask you this do your kids have any fear of you at all because you seem real nice yeah they do yeah there’s a there’s enough healthy element yeah I mean I would say yeah healthy but I don’t know I don’t really know what this day of healthy fear levels are but yeah you agree that there is a healthy level of fear I agree with your kids yes your kids shouldn’t just think that that there’s gonna be no repercussions for anything that they do yeah your troops should also feel a healthy level of fear yeah it’s hard to even use that word because that word is so negative yeah but there should at least be a level of like you know what it won’t do that ya know there’s a line with Jocko and you don’t want to cross it yeah line with dad echo he seems real nice and all cruzi I think I’m a little bit too crazy though so sometimes you do have to make sure people understand that if they cross the line there’s gonna be a problem and my kids definitely understand if they cross the line there’s gonna be a problem yeah that makes yeah – real pro doesn’t surprise me and it keeps him in check yeah next up 20 and I’m pretty lenient I’m pretty cruisy you’re actually surprisingly cruzi and lenient everyone thinks I’m gonna be the Great Santini you probably never seen that movie yeah but you don’t want to raise your kids like that well who’s the girl you don’t want to be all militant and impose discipline on your kids and make them number one reliant on your discipline mm instead of their discipline I don’t want to you don’t want anyone like that you don’t want your team to be like that where they’re relying on you barking at them to tell them what to do you don’t want that then they can’t function for themselves yeah you don’t want your kids to be that way either your kids to think you know what I need to make a good decision I could slack off or I could do what I’m supposed to do I’m gonna do it I’m supposed to do because I know it’s gonna be beneficial in the end as opposed to I’m gonna do it I’m supposed to only because I’m afraid that my dad’s gonna yell at me or ground me or take away my computer or smash one of my favorite toys yeah yeah you don’t you I mean the assumption I think anyway would be that you’re like more drill sergeant I’m not even drill sergeant I’m never I know you’re not but I think it’s like when you look at you or maybe with you just said like one or two soundbite you’re like all he’s theirs recordings many recordings of when I used to debrief seal platoons okay and I’m gonna try and get some of those and what is it they’re just well it’s it’s definitely I could see it’s not drill sergeant II yeah but it’s definitely direct and can be pretty harsh yeah the time he’s like that’s what I understand people would probably it’d only be that way if somebody really did something egregious because most the time ago okay what do you think what do you what were you think about over here debrief me on that you know what I mean so yeah and it’s all contextual to like you know I guess it’s kind of natural like let’s say I heard that or I didn’t really know your nothing and I heard that and but I’m okay he’s real direct and real strict and like all this stuff so it’s just natural to be like oh cuz he’s that kind of guy you know rather than kind of the understand the nuance like okay he’s talking to these people and that’s this time yeah and then versus but then again then that it opens it up who knows and how you’d be so you just see your mind just sort of wants to disattach yeah what they have witnessed you know to everything yeah well even drill instructors are like drill instructors yeah I mean it’s a it’s a training methodology yeah there’s the purpose for the Mac that way see and you know that because you’ve been around as Apple type of leader isn’t doesn’t function mmm that type of leader is not good mmm that type of person isn’t gonna function within a team yeah so you can’t you just can’t be that way is there a level of intensity sure do I bring a level of intensity sometimes yes absolutely but that’s not the way to go through life imposing discipline and fear into your team you’ll end up with either one of two things a broken team that relies on you for their discipline or a team that mutinies against you and comes up and kills you frags you in the as they did in the Nam next number 21 good captain’s come never to fight the field except necessity constrain them and occasion call them so what that’s saying is good you know good captain’s good leaders never enter into the engagement unless it’s completely necessary that’s it that’s a great point and this is one of those things where if you’re in a leadership position you shouldn’t be doing the you shouldn’t be shooting your gun at the enemy you should be observing your team shooting the gun and looking to see where the enemy is maneuvering – yeah this is a this is about detachment right here don’t get in the mix stay detached decentralized command will let the team maneuver hmm let them understand what the commander’s intent is and let them maneuver towards victory you stay back a little bit moniker go diving in there does that apply to cuz you’re the one who kind of said this example to me one time I forget it goes on here or not but you’re like um it was about you and your kids tying their shoes you know yeah see like I don’t know you’re late for school or we’re running late or whatever and they’re having a hard time tying the shoes yeah you’re like let them tie the shoes don’t jump in and be like I’ll do it you know I did say that and I’ve said it a bunch of times that’s a real simple example that’s a little bit more towards the last question or towards the last discussion that we just got into I mean if you let your key if you give you tie your shoes for your kids all the time they don’t learn on time yeah and furthermore you literally are taking away their opportunity to learn some fine motor skills yeah at that moment this is not the same as that this is this is on a broader perspective your team is doing so your team is in a firefight mm-hmm and you pick up your gun you go on the front line you start shooting at the enemy well now who’s leading right I was looking around this is the same as you know you’re in a business situation and your team is trying to come up with a plan and they’re arguing amongst themselves and you jump in there and start arguing – no you don’t have a good perception of you should be just standing back listening to the various arguments take place I’m not talking about arguments where people are yelling and screaming I’m talking about a discussion where they’re arguing different possible forces of action if you dive right into those and you started becoming involved at point-blank range you lose all your perspective so instead you step back you don’t you don’t you don’t go into the field yeah you don’t dive into the argument you step back and you watch the fight unfold and then as the fight unfolds you see the best options because you’re at altitude and you’re not at point-blank range one foot from the enemy fire mm-hmm this is just detached decentralized command up 22 cause that enemies cause that the enemies know not how thou right order the army to fight and in whatsoever manner that thou ordained stood make that the first band be received of the second and the third Middle English gets something when we talking about here well cause your enemies know not so that means you don’t want your enemies to understand how you’re gonna organize your your army to fight that’s what this is you you want to confuse your enemy you don’t want them to know exactly what you’re gonna do and then the second part make it make that the first band may be received the second and third I’m pretty sure I’m not sure but I’m pretty sure that that’s just talking about mutually supporting positions so you want to set your team up so that they can support each other hmm so confuse the enemy don’t give up the plan and set your teams up so they can help each other once you’re T once a team is alone and unsupportable they’re alone hmm try not to let that happen 23 in the fight never occupy a battle to any other thing then too the same for which thou hast appointed it if thou wilt make no disorder it’s a good day it’s modern English appreciation well it makes it hard to do they spell even words that you know they spell them all different just so you know you’re looking at this I actually tightened up some of the spelling and made some of the spelling more modern because I just couldn’t I’d it was harder to track man yeah it’s hard to track again this this thing was interpreted from Italian in 1560 by George George Whitehead was getting after the translation yeah so it just it’s it’s interesting and this is the same thing you know I said that when we did Shakespeare don’t need to do more Shakespeare but people think oh I should just understand Shakespeare you’re not gonna understand straight it’s almost a different language yeah so you need to actually break it down like we’re doing with these various statements so what this one is saying is don’t use a company don’t use a don’t use a unit for a purpose other than what you’ve assigned it unless you want to cause disorder unless you want to cause chaos mmm so you’ve got your team they’re assigned to do this let them do that now obviously that can be problematic so we need to mitigate that because there’s times when team is going to have to do something that you don’t want it to do and so I’ll give you a little example when you’re doing an assault on a target mm-hmm you have two elements the base element and the maneuver element the base element is gonna stay in position they’re gonna sneak up on the target and then the manoeuvre elements gonna sneak over to the flank and then the base elements gonna start firing massive firepower out the target mm-hm and then the maneuver element after a little bit will stand up and start to go through the target they shift fire off the target and then you clear the target so when I was a young kid in the grooves passengers so we would we would you know like let’s yeah so we’re gonna hit this target we’re gonna do a fire and maneuver on this target mmm base and maneuver so what we would do is say okay let’s take all of our heavy machine guns and put them in the base element and then the guys with the little pea shooters the little little m16 pea shooters all those guys will be on the assault because they’re light and they’ll be able to maneuver really quickly through the get to the target and then go through the target it makes perfect sense and I remember the first time I presented this type of plan to one of the old guys from Nam music no don’t do that mmm why not Master Chief this way we have more firepower in our base and our maneuver guys can maneuver more quickly here’s the problem when that maneuver element is going towards the target what happens if they get compromised and contacted and now they’re that they’re the ones that have to lay down their base they can’t get up and move because they’re being shot at so guess who has to move the base element has to move and they can’t move very well if they’re only getting cover fire from little pea shooters so you keep your integrity of your squads and you utilize them that way it’s like so what you want to do in this situation is you want to make sure that your elements can are capable of doing each other’s jobs maybe not to the fullest extent but they at least need to be somewhat capable so maybe you put one machine gun and the expected one extra machine gun an expected base element and now you only have a couple machine guns in the maneuver element but you got them if you need them so I don’t 100% agree with that that being said you definitely want to let people do the job that they were assigned to do mmm makes sense right you trained them you’ve assigned it let’s let’s try and keep the plan as it’s supposed to be yeah to the best of our ability but we’re thinking we’re not black and white here yeah leadership is not easy you know another thing is when you establish your team’s you try and use those teams for everything if you can and again this is a dichotomy because as much as you want to keep your teams together you also have to train them to be split up and broken up and combined and miss mast all together and I would always do this with all my fire teams so the fire teams would stick together as much as humanly possible but guess what I would also train them the favor of scrambled up someone would step up take lead and that’d be a new fire team and we’d start making stuff happened mmm next up 24 the so Dean accidents with difficulty are remedied those that are thought upon with faculty I had to look up so Dean because I couldn’t even get a clue on what that one was but it’s some sort of leader or a ruler it’s actually a ruler and this is this is a this is so he’s saying the so Dean accents the leadership accidents with difficulty are remedied are hard to fix when leadership screws up it’s hard to fix those that are fought a pound or are with difficulty are remedied if you use your head quickly so yeah there’s gonna be leadership problems and they’re hard to fix unless you think and think quickly how do you how can you improve your speed of thinking you know you can do that practice this let’s say get experience – right because experience gives you the practice yeah it’s experience if I’ve seen something before it’s I’m gonna know you’ve got a thousand times faster how I’m gonna react to it yeah if I haven’t seen it before Ida takes me a while just to comprehend what’s in front of my face so that’s why when we train we train to throw things okay so first of all when we train we want to throw things at people that different scenarios different things happening where they start to get pattern recognition oh I’ve seen this type of thing before on top of that you also want to train people what to do or how to react when they’ve never seen it before they’ve never seen anything like this before because if I show you let’s say I’m training you for well I guess we might as well just use a jiu-jitsu tournament right you did – I’m training you for jiu-jitsu such situations right and I teach you how to defend this and I teach you how to defend that and I did you have defend this and I teach you how to defend that right I teach you how to defend ten different things and you get pretty good at it mm-hmm I also have to teach you a broad concept of what to do when there’s something that you don’t recognize so hey if the guy grabs your arm I want you to pull your arm here hey if the guy starts to go for your neck I want you to swing your arm your hand underneath and tuck your chin if the guy starts pulling towards your back I want you to shift your leg up and so he can’t maneuver around there so I’m gonna give you exact steps to execute if you see these things mm-hmm and then I’m gonna say this if he’s doing something you don’t recognize here’s what I want you to do I want you to tuck your elbows and I want you to posture and I want you to control his hips oh okay and then you’ll start to be able to recognize what’s going on at least you’re gonna survive yeah I want you to detach and step back and say what’s he attacking same thing with combat I’m gonna train you like hey if he does this you do that if he does that you do this if you have no idea what’s happening here’s what I want you to do get into a 360-degree perimeter listen right I mean whatever that that situation is gonna call for if you don’t know what’s happening like if I don’t know what I’m getting flanked from or if I don’t know where I’m getting shot at for him hey everyone take a knee get cover don’t just start shooting because that’s gonna cause confusion it’s also gonna give away our position yeah so what we’re gonna do when it go into a 360-degree perimeter we’re gonna hold what we got we’re gonna listen that’s our that’s our that’s our if we don’t recognize what’s happening that’s what we’re new so we have standard operating procedures for things that we recognize and we actually also have something to do if we don’t recognize we have a procedure for non recognition yeah yes which is important it’s kind of like I mean it’s different I guess but it kind of maybe it’s in with you know how people obviously expect the unexpected kind of thing so it kind of fits in this where you’re essentially trained for unexpected like we said I would say go one yes that’s the important part it’s not just expect the unexpected it’s have a protocol for when something unexpected happens yeah here’s what we’re going to do yeah because a lot of times when something unexpected I’m thinking justa two right now it’s because that’s on purpose you know like these guys with these weird games yeah tall flexible guys or something like that they have these weird games and they’ll do stuff that they know or they kind of rely upon you not have seen it before let you didn’t see before so they can capitalize when you start to panic you know or when you can you know if let’s say your arm is out here like um like there’s some leg locks that that require you to kind of try to spin out of it then they’ll catch you with something else right it’s kind of that so if you have a protocol that’s just like I don’t know whatever the protocol is safety protocol you know it not only keeps you safe just and statistically speaking you know chances are it’ll keep you safe but it’ll jam up their game yeah overall you know especially these people that they think they capitalize on you panic you did not know you have to do you know and you want to have some kind of a reset position and I used to use this from fighters like hey here’s your reset position like just get to here you’re comfortable there get them under control control their hips whatever yeah combat same thing oh you’re you’re you everyone’s confused everyone’s mixed up guys are all over the place let’s get to a reset position in a building yeah yeah now everyone knows where we are we get a control of ourselves yeah business same thing we got we got scenario that we don’t know what’s happening you know what General Quarters like hey we’re all gonna go to our normal positions we’re gonna stand by because we don’t know what’s happening right so you got to have not just to expect the unexpected you’ve got to have a protocol to follow when something is occurring that you don’t understand yet mm-hm some kind of a reset position mmm put that in your world next up number 25 men I earn money and bread be the strength of the war but of these four the first to be most necessary because men an iron find money and bread but money and bread find not men and iron yeah that one’s pretty pretty cool pretty self-explanatory now let me let’s go to a business perspective here a business perspective here because this is a this can help people make decisions in the business world when you’re going to make expend expenditures when you are going to invest in something in your company it is important to assess whether or not you are investing in something that is going to help you build is gonna help you grow or if you’re investing in something that is not mm-hmm so for instance let’s say let’s say hey our our we could either take you know fifty thousand dollars and remodel our current office or we can take fifty thousand dollars and we can rent this new sub office in a more area that we don’t have any presence in so which one is a better investment like we don’t really need that remodel of our office this other thing is gonna help us actually grow so make sure that the investments that you’re making the first thing you want to invest in is men and iron right you don’t want to invest in money and bread money and breads gonna be gone yeah and it doesn’t reproduce it doesn’t reproduce itself whereas men and steel is gonna get you more of that bread and iron in the long run mm-hmm or sorry bread and money all right number 26 the unarmed rich man is a booty to the poor soldier what does that mean it means that the unarmed rich man is the prize of a poor soldier that sort of means it means it means be armed and this is the last one number 27 a custom thy soldiers to despise delicate living and luxurious apparel I like that one what does that mean get your people get your soldiers to despise delicate living despise comfort despise luxurious clothing that’s what I’m talking about they’ll be better soldiers they’ll be better people and you feel like I’m talking to you like what the connoisseur of comfort comfort you know is in my firing line right now yeah I dig it obviously I can’t disagree with that cuz dang I mean yeah when you’ve been uncomfortable for an extended period of time does it not make you a better person or a little bit yeah it does there we go yeah you know the whole idea be comfortable we’ve to me the story of you because I know it doesn’t rain a lot here but you used your kettlebells in the rain and the other day you told me that story two times you know two days in a row now sure right yes yeah today you told me that even Jade your brother came out was impressed by your determination so what is it what is it about that that made you feel compelled to tell me about it and B you know for lack of a better word pretty damn proud that you went out in the rain and did a kettlebell workout in the cold yes well yeah it’s strong it and how did you feel inside I felt strong when it was over feel better yeah this is it well yeah I’m asking you real questions right now everybody seem like I’m joking but it’s actually real you know why because this is a little step for you and there’s other people that are listening that would benefit from hearing and how taking this little step away from comfort really truly made you mentally and physically better go Oh Charles well yeah can I start on that okay so okay yes I go outside I had a workout planned it’s raining raining kind of hard to by the way and it’s kind of cold the kind you gotta wear like a lot of clothes you know so yes I go and do the whole workout hard too and yes my brother was like dang that’s some dedication whatever but yes so the feeling is yeah that I’m actually strong now you know it’s like basically when you break it down it’s like now you’re strong I mean you’re not weak so weak would be like just the littlest thing will throw you off your plan you know the littlest thing because you can’t because you’re so used to comfort where you’re so used to like the clothing thing I mean yeah that’s kind of weird too like if if you always got to be wearing like nice clothes otherwise like you’re kind of you don’t go out or so I don’t know but it’s kind of say seems like this ain’t the same concept but yeah if you can endure that stuff and then how do you feel when you’re done better yeah did you feel better after a workout in the cold rain where you went and gone after then you would have had it been just normal 70 degrees in sunny SoCal yeah a little bit but I feel like it’s it was just more of a psychological thing which does help big time because now you know that rain you just proved to yourself that rain cold whatever is not an excuse for years raining cold doesn’t excuse no more no no more well here’s the thing going to battle you know it’s funny here’s a good here’s a good expression you saying the Dames balcony good mm-hmm when it was raining and cold you know we’d say good operating weather but it was like it was kinda it’s true is definitely true because when it’s raining and when it’s cold guess what the people that are you know on watch your enemy guess what they’re doing they’re there Heidi they’re all bundled up and warm so that makes it easier for you plus there’s noise from the rain which camouflages the noise that you’re making walking through the Jay or the woods or whatever but that’s always a good one whenever it’s it’s crappy weather I was I was say to myself good operating weather yeah kind of smile but we used to say to each others that’s like you can’t complain about it you just look at your buddy it’s like when you win the door of the of the Hilo truck you know the Hilo truck is know but back in the day we didn’t have a lot of money for budget and so we’d pretend that we were in helicopters and we’d be in the back of big trucks and they just drive out in the middle of the desert open up the Hilo truck and open it up open up the door we jump out like we just got out of a helicopter right little did we know that when the war actually came we would be using vehicles we did we used vehicles all the time we brick I rarely rarely used helicopters in Iraq in Afghanistan they used helicopters a lot more hmm but for me and Iraq foot patrol and helo trucks but we didn’t have to call him helo trucks anymore now he just called me trucks sure but when you’re in a helo truck mm-hmm in 1994 and you get driven up into the wherever and the door of the helo truck opens out opens up and it’s raining and it’s cold and as you’re getting out of the truck your last moment to communicate out loud to everyone you hear someone go good operating mother and you’re like yeah it is this is gonna suck yeah yeah and it makes sense so like yet you’re used to being uncomfortable right or if you like despised comfort and however you put it yeah not me very Machiavelli said despised comfort despising comfort essentially you’re getting comfortable with being uncomfortable you know how they say that they do the view so yeah that’s what they’re doing so that’s why yeah yeah just basically attended a improves your chance of success you know may roadblocks of discomfort come about in the future that’s what I’m indeed and I I think that not only will the rejection of comfort make better soldiers it’ll make better people so yes as you said get out of your comfort zone impose discipline and disk um on yourself and you will become a better person okay and that wraps up Machiavelli for now but echo speaking of getting out of our comfort zone and this is gonna be a little dichotomy here but getting out of our comfort zone to become better what recommendations do you have for us to make that happen like I said there’s gonna be dichotomy here okay because what do we have well well there’s a lot of things you have but but yes so at being the connoisseur of comfort and so you’re kind of the connoisseur of discomfort really in a way I don’t know about that here’s the thing though people I don’t think about it much though yeah you know what I mean I’d have to be like actively thinking about it about what discomfort just about anything oh I’m just over here doing what I’m doing yeah I don’t I mean it’s with discomfort just don’t care I don’t care there’s that old Viking saying it’s like the rain is cold and the old Viking says how can the rain be cold right the rains not cold yeah but I don’t know I don’t get it how can the rain be cold if it’s cold then it’s cold no it’s called to you and it hits you the rain itself is again that’s it’s a play on words yeah yeah that’s another good thing to think yourself another good thing do you think yourself you only get wet once yeah I’ve talked about that before yeah you’re you you’re waiting to go across the river you’re looking for the best body oh no no just get wet you’re gonna get wet one time what’s your wet your wet doesn’t matter yeah it’s true so they suck it up the comfort thing is it’s all it’s like context as a huge has a lot to do with it remember how I told you that time where it’s like you know sometimes you can just fall asleep on the floor I know we’re in the beach I don’t know but then sometimes you get in you’re on your couch or on your wherever and you just can’t fall see can’t get comfortable in love you know interesting because you you expect the effort is what I’m saying but if you don’t have any comfortable expectations it’s like you just be you’re just comfortable it’s almost like you’re just appreciative for any kind of comfort but if you expect mass comfort it’s like you can’t get enough comfort you know because you just expect more it’s weird so like like um okay so you you know you have experience with cold water right getting in to hit the surf whatever so when you’re there how hard is that just not not right like we’re just doing it yeah this is what we’re doing this is weird whatever it’s cold it sucks whatever even if it’s but here’s the yeah this is me keep in mind but still I think he’s holds true so I’m getting in the shower the other it’s cold here let the peace well Pete’s gonna understand because this probably had my name too so listen you know how you’re cold you know you like it’s just sort of cold so I’m about to take a shower and you know that kind when you turn on the shower it’s not just doesn’t come out all warming that it takes a few seconds or whatever so so I turn it on and hits me Oh cuz you take warm showers anyone understood anyway the cold water like kind of hit me you know oh there’s no way I could bear going underneath that shower like before it gets one no way no way but then and then whatever it heats up but I’m thinking like nah like yahoo guys go in that cold surf like for a long time and so then I’m thinking no it’s totally in context you know like if I let’s say a minute before I walked in the shower I was like cool show right now doing it literally the same exact time I could do it the same so it’s like a mindset kind of thing Jack even aside from the training of course I would say this and the reason that I can’t they’re at me it’s just like blank no probably it’s not here maybe it is brow but no I don’t know think about this let me get out of bed right well then again your routine is different but yeah let’s say you’re just sort of going I have an actual ice bath yeah but that’s different to brace okay but that’s what I’m saying like what if you get I don’t know out of bed or you’re just cruising at home which you probably don’t do but let’s say you were and it was just cold the kind like hot I’m pretty cold right now I should put on a jacket right now oh goody whatever that’s how cold it is right here right not freezing but just I’m cold right now uncomfortably cold and then let’s say your son comes with a cup of ice water and dumps it on you huh right how’d you sneak up on me so you’re saying okay maybe didn’t sneak up on you maybe he’s I don’t know let’s say you pour the ice water on you okay yours telling me that you’re like whatever that wouldn’t you’d be Viking like can be like huh like I don’t know it’s not cold well I tell you if he was looking for a reaction from me I wouldn’t give right which I did I dig it there would be a grappling match happening real quick though yeah so yeah and I understands an attack okay so that aside I’m talking about the actual cold water in you yeah yeah yeah but it’s so it’s not nothing but no it’s something but it’s something but that compare that experience to if he came up to me Bay hey Dad I have this cup of cold water it’s kind of cold right now do you think you can like endure this right and you’re like oh yeah I can endure it do it and he did it I’m not saying that would be nothing or somehow I’m saying that those two experiences are different okay yeah seem saying so this is the this is element of surprise is all we’re talking about one year is a surprise to one you’re not if you’re surprised it gonna throw you off a little bit yeah if you’re not surprised you’re braced for it you’re good to go yeah I mean a surprise that’s just one element of a different context where you don’t necessarily exist surprise and mental preparation mental preparation is I think the overarching because surprise it would fall under the mental preparation right left gonna tell you that share experience kind of enlightened me a little bit anyway okay be comfortable with being uncomfortable that’s a jiu jitsu saying to by the way yeah is that where you heard him mainly or maybe that’s where I first heard it yeah because that’s a good thing to have oh yeah that’s the that’s the backhanded compliment that Hicks and Gracie told me when I rolled with him back in the day what that you were comfortable he goes he said you’re very you’re very comfortable when you’re in a really bad position and I was all happy yeah he’s good at jujitsu yes so but yeah so that’s what it’s saying so that means dude you did to kind of really that last stratagem or what do you call it rules you know yeah yeah yeah is essentially despise delicate living yeah is Jiu Jitsu delicate living and then it is not that delicate but it’s not brutal depends are you roll with him yeah that’s true there’s some blood on the mat last night way I believe anyway dude you get to yes if we’re not in jujitsu already we might not agree on the different mindsets for cold and all that but we do agree do some jujitsu do some jujitsu and when you do it you’re gonna need a key and what gear do you get none other than the keys that are made 100% in America from top to bottom from origin origin main dot-com that’s where you get them you get whatever you want on there anything a rash guard so you can do nogi as well and then you can get t-shirts and hoodies which are comfortable which which are the antithesis of what we’re talking about yes because you have claimed and now this claim has been supported on social media sites around the world that the origin jogger pants which I don’t wear are universally the most comfortable pants of all time yes yeah still I mean and I went on searches like my son got a pair for Christmas cuz you know when you’re in my family guess what you’re getting for Christmas product yeah so he got a pair and I tried them on and he was like you gotta take a bomb like us how they look because they just don’t know you don’t match they does not their nurse not me yeah cuz joggers as functional as they are because they’re super functional as far as jogging and running uh as functional as they are their that’s a style thing like they’re in style right yeah but they’re that somehow related to skinny jeans are they not yes related that’s the look yeah and later so you Bri you can’t wear skin that can stay they used to issue and when I when I was at SEAL team two SEAL team one we didn’t have it seal team two they issued us joggers but this is back in the day they were basically like they were basically like the same thing because it was cold in the wintertime and guys would want to run with those things on yeah but I didn’t wear those either but everybody else yeah yeah weight and their outerwear they weren’t undoing wear them like over your running shorts oh okay yeah cool there you go yeah but these are these are probably gonna be way more comfortable no one’s from origin um and they’re made in America by the way I don’t know if I mentioned that but yeah those are good jogger here’s the thing you despise comfort well I don’t think you despise comfort not as much as I should yeah okay that makes sense to me I don’t despise comfort just like I don’t despise the rest between sets because comfort is there for a reason mm-hm when you’re kind of cold I guess that’s why I was gonna say earlier you enjoy comfort more when you have discomfort Yeah right oh you don’t want to be the person that’s constantly in a feather pillow temperature-controlled scenario yes you want to be in like the tough environment and then you’re like oh this feels good now yeah when you get out of the one you’ve been surfing and it’s cold I went surfing the other day with no wetsuit on and it’s a wintertime here by the way but one of my two actually of my toes were numb white how it’s so how cold is that maybe like what 55 yeah something like that yeah I mean I only went for like 45 minutes mm-hmm but yeah I was cold when I got done yeah and then I went in the jacuzzi and it felt good yeah so really it not response that comfort yes but it felt even better than if it was just a normal day and I wasn’t didn’t have a numb few toes yeah so really it’s more about the ability to endure discomfort that’s really what it is so the less time you spend uncomfortable the less used to it you’ll be a little more like you know the less capable you’ll be of enduring it yeah kinda that’s kind of the thing yeah Jack what they’re going for anyway these guards t-shirts joggers supplements supplements of course joint supplements which have shaken out to be the most important supplements there are it’s true or indeed for a semi to moderate to highly active person that’s it yeah I know this firsthand definitely so joint warfare krill oil those are for your joints and for your whole life like there’s stuff that’s in joint warfare tumeric it has all kind it’s not just like yeah it’s good for your joints but it’s good for a law it’s good for everything yeah which is as I was you know reading more about it no there was an article that sprang up that’s what it was and I was like wow I didn’t know did all this no wonder I feel so good anyways Joe and we’re her loyal discipline there’s also so discipline comes in lemon-lime which is tasty there’s also the new tropic thunder drop it because I couldn’t call it we couldn’t call it pina colada because that just not happening no no that wasn’t just a big negative and it is mulk of course additional protein additional protein mm-hmm that tastes delicious that tastes like a dessert but for real dessert yeah and if you have kids or if you just well if you have kids you get them a warrior kid milk which is the best possible thing you can buy a child for food in my opinion yeah tastes well I guess if you get a steak seriously I think vegetables are good too not even like steak when I was a little kid yeah you like burgers I like the burgers Buster’s huh yeah you’re more refined now luxurious no yeah wow that was an acquired taste getting into the steak thing huh yeah just e+ I had to learn how to cook it better yeah so yeah warrior kid milk and all that stuff from origin you can get it origin main dot-com Dutch comm also chakra at the store it’s called Jaco store so you got it chocolate are common this is where you can get shirts that represent the path you want to represent discipline equals freedom this winning Co sweetums shirt here and this is what I realized this cycle I I know I know I think maybe a little bit too much into it but this happened when you wear a discipline equals freedom shirt to work out you like won’t skip the workout you’ll be more into the workout I noticed that yeah because you look at it says discipline equals free you know it’s like you’re representing what it’s actually saying it’s not one of these deals where it’s like oh a cool star on your shirt or something which is cool there’s people that have taken that idea to the next level and gotten the discipline equals freedom tattoos see same exact concept and yeah man I’ve seen it in like one dude has the dust macaws freedom I think it’s it’s basically on the inside of his wrist you know try eating a doughnut with that hand there’s no way that’s exactly if that happened you’d you’d be in serious violation yeah you couldn’t do it you’d feel it like you’d be doing burpees for yeah 45 minutes yeah after that yeah you seen I posted a picture of the guy with it on yeah yeah no there’s one guy that’s in subs arm are you talking about the one guy there’s a guy has almost wrist yeah recently yeah it was that roll call yeah that’s when I took the picture oh yeah I saw that it was good see same exact concept man yeah because yeah you can’t not represent now you know the shirt on boom you got the tattoo now you can never not represent or are you gonna pay the price yeah to yourself by the way you know so it’s like a thing I dig it man I dig it respect also you get that tattoo I think you should only get that tattoo if you if you’re you need to commit first right yeah you commit first and then get the tattoo don’t think that just the tattoos gonna push you over the edge even though I probably will you know but maybe that’s not the best approach for tattoo decision-making is that so that’s what you’re saying either way yeah anyway it’s called jaw closed or calm you can get your you know the shirts and and before you get the tattoo get the t-shirt gets a hat get a hat says it first yeah there’s a lot of your stuff here in the game cool then you can step it up a little bit more hoodies yes women’s stuff I’m gonna have some new stuff on there too you keep saying that I know but you know I’m gonna do meanwhile there’s their patches right now we had a patches oh I don’t know let me double check let me check with the guy that’s in charge of in Israel oh wait that’s you well rest assured hey if you see something cool get something if something sold out or something like that no I don’t know let me know I guess don’t know you know what it won’t be or it’ll be on the way either way it’s called Chacko store calm a lot of cool stuff on there if you want something you’re gonna represent in the wild in the wild better get something also Jocko white tee on the story that we saw that on the store to buy them chocolate um but you can get this yeah it’s good and get it from Amazon as well where else guess what I’m drinking right now hot tea yeah you know why comfortable because a little bit cold busted yeah it makes sense you’re weak you’re no stranger to discomfort so I think you’re kidding you know whatever but yeah chocolatey it’s one of those deals where even if you don’t like tea that much you’ll probably this doesn’t it tastes like tea but it doesn’t taste like tea can I say that does that make any sense you know if you drink it that means that I caught it a condom Chaka white there’s no dichotomy in the factory teaching the jiu-jitsu class at the muster and he used the word dichotomy and then everyone started laughing yeah cuz the way he says it is like directly teased directly mocking me risen to work dichotomy yeah so yeah so yeah Chuck white tea outstanding uh stuff makes you dead laughs 8000 pounds but we already knew that yeah yeah worldwide deadlift has increased a lot yeah also it’s in Cannes which is good for me because the whole brewing tea sequence uncomfortable is I’m very uncomfortable for me yes so you know can seems more cool but whatever whatever you like also subscribe to this podcast if you haven’t already uh on you know where we listen to podcast there it is I know I don’t think we even need to say that anymore okay I’ve said that for like a year or maybe even three years that we don’t need to say to subscribe to the podcast but we do need to say subscribe to the warrior kid podcast yes check it out check it out even if you aren’t a kid check it out I use a different voice in that podcast Dave Burke was talking about it yeah like I even like that different I use this voice right here it’s a little bit more aimed at kids yeah this is just the way I normally talk what I do because I’m kind of uncle Jake in that mean uncle Jake is a little bit more he’s not isn’t he well not dorky but he just doesn’t have his little bit of a dark side god yes yeah yeah yeah that’s a good way of putting it the dark edge he’s just good he’s like Uncle Jake is just good across the board yeah you never know what I might have a little I might have a little issue with something and get kind of crazy on it yeah uncle Jake’s not gonna let that happen so check out the warrior kid podcast if you want to get some more information to your kids about being on the path and you can hear me talk and tell stories in this voice from uncle Jake yeah actually something actually exactly like how do you sound on it which is good anyway also yes YouTube as well so we do have a youtube channel if you didn’t know that it does have the video version of this podcast and also little excerpts and enhanced excerpts by the way I was noticing some of your recent excerpts you can’t make excerpts that are 12 minutes long that’s not an excerpt that’s just like a video well technically that’s that’s not correct because an excerpt is just a part of you know timely what you saying with the 12 minutes is man I know and sometimes they’re gonna be twelve minutes there’s no way that everything in that 12 minutes is important kind yeah that’s true okay but if you paid out your editing city bill depends on how you look at it though bro these things are supposed to be an excerpt should be like ah you know what boom not two minutes and 28 seconds later you like yeah I got this Oh dig it I agree but not a lot you want people to pull up a couch and even for some of us there on the computer start and then boom there the excerpt comes up you know about maybe a porn or maybe it’s like you saying something in me disagreeing and then you say well this is this and I’m saying well that’s true but what about this and you’re like okay or whatever you know it’s like a little it’s like a little conversation that’s not two hours seem sane so you know it’s presentable it’s good do okay so there’s there’s on the YouTube channel there’s long and short excerpt yes that’s a good there’s digestible and there’s a little bit more like you know mealtime conversational you know because it’s less about like the shortness and shareability necessarily it’s more about like hey remember the shareability Oh like I can you watch yeah there’s a minute yeah they’re more likely to watch the minute video than the 12 minute video but the 12 minute is like the kind of like if you just want to hear about like this specific like topic that happened at tape toilet they’re not all 12 minutes no I like this maybe like 8 minutes though either way psychological warfare – speaking of little excerpts those are just short short 1 to 2 minutes of how to overcome some type of momentary weakness that you might have if you don’t have a discipline equals freedom tattoo on your wrist that’s gonna keep you in check that this is another thing you can do prior to getting that tattoo you can just load up your psychological warfare on itunes google play mp3 platforms whatever and listen to those yes which is Jaco telling you overcome the weakness mm that is that’s that tattoo on your wrist discipline equals freedom is like the ultimate psychological warfare there’s weapons it is a weapon like boom just go home what if you put discipline on one wrist and freedom on the other wrist I actually might do that that’s pretty good that’s pretty discipline you know at origin I’ve been talking to Pete we’re trying to buy a machine that can make sweatpants wristbands mm-hmm right and then once we have that power two things number one I’m gonna make the best wristbands cuz I do I wear wristbands every time I workout yeah and but then there’s no good wrist bands in the world there’s none of them that meet the standards that I would like them to me why do you wear we’ve spent a sweat primarily oh so it doesn’t go on yeah because it will run right down my arms in my hands and I’m just dropping everything and it sucks yeah ramier so I’m gonna make wristbands that are super long very and really like just I told bein like we can put discipline on one and freedom on the other one right and you can buy a little set yeah so nervous Pete Pete shopping for the Machine right now good exhausted too yes it can make socks Pete sent me a picture of a machine and he goes what do you think this makes and I looked at it and I don’t know I just kind of like logically it was sort of like a um you could see stuff 360 degrees around something else mm-hmm and I was like I bet you I said socks and he goes down Oh because I’m not in a good district you recognize was impressed with my logic yeah you’re deducing deductive skills yeah it’s good I’m impressed too so we could have been impressed good on it so on it the company I’m impressed with always have been by the way so go to on it calm slash chuckle this is where you can get kettlebells all kinds of cool workout equipment that you can just slowly add to your arsenal at home you’ve got a home gym whatever really good stuff on there also good info on there so you know if you want to educate yourself a little bit more bone that’s the place to go on it doc on slash Jocko really good stuff on there really good we got some books my key in the Dragons which is fully in stock it ran a little low we almost didn’t make Christmas but we made it thank God cool thanks to everyone on the team that helped us and all the printers around that that printed us copies and we got a bunch of copies and everyone got them by Christmas that I know of everyone that’s reached out on Twitter that said it’s not here yet on December 19th or 13th was like we still don’t have it I ordered October house I think it’s company please come and but as far as I know everyone got him when they but they got him in time for Christmas so now we have a lot so if you want to get Mikey in the Dragons best children’s book ever ever yep yeah yeah disagree with me no I well I think just by nature I’m like oh you made a claim let me like refute it so I’m off thinking but I’m a geek because obviously I would be like hey what about this way the word kid cuz I thought that what age group for which ok best young best it was it a toddler that reads miking the Dragons Todd the best toddler someone they can walk yeah yeah well some tall is can understand best children’s book picture book with for ages 5 and under 7 and 16 under sure my keen the Dragons there ok just wrote that down order that way the warrior kid when the kids get a little bit older order way the warrior kid in marks mission book 3 has been written I got pictures from John Bozak today via text you saw him right witnessed yes yeah how do you like him we liked him a lot I showed I showed Danny Reinhart to my youngest daughter and I’ve been I’ve been I’ve been telling her about Danny Reinhart for a long time because Danny reinhardt’s does everything perfect and Danny Reinhart does everything good and Marc’s kind of jealous of him and I should and she was she’s been she got all into the name Danny Ryan yeah and she’s already doesn’t like him but the interesting twist on the story is Danny rhino it’s actually a good kid and he just happens to be talented and he happens to work hard and he’s actually nice but marks and jealous so warrior Kid 3 coming out in the spring and right now we got warrior Kid 1 and warrior Kid 2 marks mission also got discipline equals freedom Field Manual the manual for getting after it in life super stoked on everyone that’s posting pictures and a I’m actually most stoked when somebody posts a picture that they’ve lost 162 pounds yes in 14 months or whatever yeah completely changed their lives yeah why discipline it was freedom so you can get that book for yourself that’s also pre tattoo maybe before you get the tattoo you just leave this out on your coffee table yeah right you just have it there because it’s looking at you that book is looking at you yeah I got a stack of them in my room I fuel oh yeah they keep me right on there so if you want if you want the audio version it’s on iTunes Amazon music google play other mp3 platforms obviously extreme ownership the first book that I wrote with my brother Leif babban taking the lessons that we learned on the battlefield and explaining how they can be applied to your business and to your life and that was the followed up that was followed up by the book that we just had come up out called the dichotomy of leadership and this is getting granular in how to apply those leadership principles into your world also we have echelon front which is my leadership consultancy and what we do is solve problems through leadership if you have any kind of problem in your organization it is a leadership problem it is a leadership problem we will help get your leadership fixed get them aligned and get them working and get the team functioning properly we also have a Leadership Conference that we do it’s called the muster in 2019 there are three musters May 23rd and 24th in Chicago September 19th and 20th in Denver and December 4th and 5th in Sydney Australia check out extreme ownership calm for the details and to register all of them that we’ve done have sold out this is and what I’m saying they sold out this is when people call me up and say or like people that I know you know say hey hey I know a little late just wanna can you just um can you just reserve three seats for me and you know these two other people that I work with and I’m like actually no I can’t you cannot come well we’ll just stand me back no there’s fire codes ik you can’t come yeah everyone thinks you all just you know no yeah just it’s sold out yeah so you can’t have to come the the the live podcast we’re doing January 9th sold out immediately it’s like sorry gotta be quick on those it yeah so there’s that that we do have this GF online this is this is the interactive training leadership training that we put together and okay so there’s several places where this stem from one of them is the muster itself because guess what the muster is great foundational information it’s a great foundational leadership instruction that you’re gonna get when you go not everyone can make it to the mustard so what we did is we took the content from the first like two musters that we did and this is the fundamental principles from extreme ownership from an academy leadership we took those and put them into interactive online training so that people that couldn’t make it to the muster could still get that training we also did it because companies that we work with sometimes they have 10 000 employees 20 000 employees a hundred thousand employees and all the employees are not all in one place they’re all over the place they’re all over the country and they’re all over the world how we gonna train all those people we what we needed to do is figure out a way to scale the training that we did there were many requests from the larger companies we work with to get the training to all their employees how do we do that we had to scale it we put it online and then once we put it online for companies we figured okay let’s get it out there for direct to consumers that want to take the training they can’t come to the muster what have you or they want to get reminded what they learned at the muster same thing so that’s online training it’s available now at EF online com also we’ve got EF overwatch where we are taking leadership gaps in the civilian sector and we are filling those leadership gaps with trained and experienced and tested leaders from combat aviation and from a spec ops community go to EF overwatch comm regardless of which side of that equation you’re on whether you’re a company that needs leaders or whether you’re a a vet that’s seeking a leadership position in the company go to EF / watch comm and fill out the information that applies to you and if you want to continue this conversation with us we can be found all up in the interwebs on Instagram on Twitter and on the Facebook key bond echo is at Echo Charles and I am at Jocko will Inc and finally to all our military personnel out there thank you for protecting freedom around the world and to our folks in uniform here at home police and law enforcement firefighters paramedics EMTs correctional officers border patrol all first responders thanks for protecting us and our families and to everyone else out there remember that discipline is stronger than fury you need a little bit of fury you need a little bit of discipline you need to combine those things but you take that discipline and you impose discipline upon yourself and reject and refuse delicate living and the luxuries that are available to you in life and instead get out Comfort and make yourself better faster smarter and stronger by going out there day after day after day and getting after it and until next time this is echo and Jocko