Jocko Podcast 27 with Echo Charles | I Remember the Last war | How to be Strong, Healthy & Happy

this is Joo podcast number 27 with Echo Charles and me Joo willink I knew a simple Soldier Boy Who grinned at life in empty Joy slept soundly through The Lonesome dark and whistled early with the lark in Winter trenches cow and glum with crumps and lice and lack of rum he put a bullet through his brain no one spoke of him again you smugface crowds with kindling eye who cheer when Soldier Lads march by sneak home and and pray you’ll never know the hell where Youth and laughter go that’s a poem called suicide in the trenches by sigfreed Sassoon good evening Eko good evening Sig freed Sassoon was decorated for extreme bravery in World War I on the Western Front he was nicknamed Mad Jack for his nearly suicidal exploits against the enemy his brother was killed in action in the gipo campaign he was eventually sent to a hospital to try and recover mentally from what he’d been through while he was there he wrote a little letter that was called finished with the war a soldier’s declaration where he came out and said we got to stop fighting the war like this I’m speaking for the men that are on the front lines in the trenches being killed and even after that he was promoted he returned to the front again he was wounded This Time by Friendly Fire that’s World War I and while sigfried Sassoon tells us to pray we will never know the hell where Youth and laughter go I do not agree with that I want to know and I want everyone to know and understand and to see the hell the darkness that crushes Youth and laughter and taking us on this Voyage Into Darkness tonight is a man by the name of Bob Hoffman and if you look him up you’ll see he’s a very accomplished man he was obsessed with health and fitness and he became a businessman he was the one of the founders of the York barbell Corporation if you ever lifted weights in your life you’ve used York barbells at some time yep he’s often called the father of modern weightlifting but interestingly what you won’t find much about him is his military service you don’t see generally that he was awarded the distinguished service cross the Silver Star the Purple Heart the French Cross of war the French military medal the Italian War cross and the highest Belgian Military Award the order of Leopold you just don’t hear that about him but that was a piece of his life and he did write about it he wrote about it in a book which is called I remember the last war and let’s go to the book few people have been able to learn much about what actually took place in the Frontline fighting of the world war they have often asked about the war and have found few veterans who could talk about it one of the chief reasons for this is that they had little or nothing to tell about the war approximately 4 million men were in service during the war half of these went to France and of these half a million were near the front 10 men are required behind the front to keep one man in Action Service Supply truck drivers Hospital workers ambulance drivers guards in the base ports the replacement in casualty camps many thousands of military police artillery Engineers singleman aviators mechanics iics and endless more our division lost more men than any other former National Guard division more M more men than any other organization except the first and second regular divisions our regiment lost more men than any other Regiment of our division our Battalion more men of any of the three battalions in our regiment and our company more men than any other company in the Battalion yet we had men who never saw a German who was not a prison some of our men were Cooks top sergeants company clerks Supply sergeants bugers signalmen kitchen police the men who carried up the ammunition the rations cared for the wounded at Advanced stations buried the dead many were liaison men carrying messages from company to Battalion they fired and were fired at as we fought in towns woods and Hills but seldom saw targets at which they fired bombs and shells were dropped on them they suffered from gas and most of the horrors of War they were killed but they weren’t actually at the front men who were trained as I was scouting patrolling observation sniping who led patrols reconnaissance or combat Advanced guards captured prisoners put a gun out of action held Advanced posts served as suicide squads and we were being attacked were the men who actually saw war and most of them are dead while 125 000 American Dead in France are not so many when divided among the million men who were at or near the front it is a tremendous percentage when it is considered how few of these men were doing the fighting more than 250 men in our company alone were killed more than the original strength of the company lost their lives in France they can’t tell you the story I was phenomenally lucky so I will tell our story we’ll try to tell you something of what happened over there there have been war books written by other men who were better writers than I more fitted to place what they saw upon the printed page but I don’t believe a book about America’s participation in the war has been written by a man who spent days weeks and months in intensive fighting at or in front of the front as my comrades and I did there is nothing particularly glorious or beautiful about this story I’ve told it as well as I could but have been able to give you only a faint idea of the conditions we encountered during the five worst days of any unit of the American arm army experience in France the 5 Days of our Battle of f met you could fully appreciate its Horrors only if you were there never was a group of men harder pressed by Superior forces of the enemy or more ill equipped to fight off those attacks than we no artillery support during most of the fighting no trench mortars no hand or rifled grenades just a moderate amount of pistol rifle and machine gun ammunition no food proper medical attention or the opportunity to bury the dead our men in that battle the handful who held the front lines covered themselves with undying Glory the telling of this story will give a better idea of what we did in France than other books than other war books I have seen it tells the unvarnished truth about how we lived slept hiked fought and died over there scores of my friends the men I had lived with trained with fought with had come to like and admire died in the woods in France it was only by a series of Miracles amazing escapes that I did not die to that I am here writing this book I was young then 19 18 years of age at the time of the battle of the argone I had been too busy to live and because I had not found what A Fine Place the world can be I did not mind particularly dying I had no actual fear of death 21 years ago when we fought the Battle the argone I had 32 ugly bo blood boils on my body from eating a diet consisting most ofly of meat and bread for some weeks boils which made me swear more than I have all the rest of my life as I constantly scraped them on the rocky ground while digging a new hole to protect my body each time we halted I had French itch and copious quantities of mustard gas ugly Burns which still leave their scars 12 bullets left their mark on my person or on my equipment in the first short battle I was one of 32 men of our 250 strength company who marched out of the battle of fsme I was the only man to return of those who followed me on five patrols that I led in one day in the Argon Forest I hope through this book at least partially to show the gruesome side of War barred from the waving of flags the bugles bans the cheering to show at least part of the ugliness filth dirt evil immorality and stink of War be sympathetic but remain aloof be strong prepared to protect our own country against Any Nation or combination of Nations which may attack our homes our democracy our American way of living if if our country was attacked the first hour would not pass before I would plan to enlist and millions of other Americans would be in just as much haste to protect our wonderful country and our American way of life so that’s how he kicks this book off kind of burning through the intro there and I really liked the point that he made when he broke down the numbers and how many people go to war but how many people are actually fighting and it’s a big discrepancy there’s it takes a lot of people to get bullets to the guy on the front line it takes a lot of people to get that person transported to the front lines it takes a lot of people to get to keep that person fed it takes all kinds of logistics and support just to just to get that guy through the door of a building where the enemy is and I’ve talked about this before too in Iraq there was places in Iraq where there was bases in Iraq where it was basically like being in America they had restaurants and Starbucks coffee and McDonald’s and Burger King and they had pools and movie theaters I mean it was crazy is it where like how you mentioned like Burger King for example do they does Burger King the company kind of make a deal with you know the government be like hey we want to supply Burger King yes I’m sure and actually I shouldn’t have said McDonald’s cuz it was usually Burger King they must have be the ones that had the deal at the time so Burger King was there on base and you would we would travel though to out stations where there’s some army unit this is on my first appointment we travel to some out station where there’s some army unit living out in the middle of nowhere just totally desolate some Marine Corps unit living in the middle of the nowhere eating MREs every day and like there was a group we were worked with one I wish I could remember where they were to give them some credit but they were out there they were on one m a day which m is meals ready to eat it’s a it’s a not a very not a very good thing to live off of and these guys were out there living off of one m a day and and you feel bad you know you go out we stop I think we had to stop at their base we had to get some information gather some Intel they knew some targets around the area we went and talked to them saw how rough they were living we went out hit our targets then we were driving back to our big base you know where we had good food and you know internet stuff like that I mean it’s it’s it’s amazing how good it can be and that’s what that’s what people some people don’t realize about the military is it takes a lot of support and Logistics to keep the guys on the front lines on the front lines and not taking anything away from those folks that are doing that because that’s a hard job and I’ve talked about this before those Logistics convoys in Iraq and Afghanistan those things were hardcore and horrible dangerous jobs to do and so I’m not taking anything away but if you want to say okay who went out and hunted down the enemy right and got him it’s a much much smaller group of people right so it’s like individually yeah you got people who did that part of it but collectively it’s just this huge Force right of people yeah it’s a massive it’s a massive Force but in and it’s even more extreme cuz in World War I the the lines were very clear nearly drawn I mean you had literally had trenches in the ground and so if you weren’t within range of the of the enemy attacks I mean maybe they could get some planes to you but you would you would be living relatively safe and that’s his point and then when you get a little closer to the front lines yeah you were going to get some artillery bombardment but everyone had dug these nice holes in these trenches so the guys that were actually invading German trenches most of them are dead most of them are dead it’s a small it’s a much it’s one it’s one out of every 10 soldiers that was actually going forward to attack and most of them are dead I mean you could hear what he just said they took more casualties than the strength of their of their company was so they had 250 guys there was actually a thousand guys in the company because they took so many casualties that’s why World War I is so horribly disturbing and scary to me because like I’ve said before there was the tactics your your own tactical problem wern’t going to help you your your own personal skill set wasn’t really going to help you yeah you were going to get up you were going to charge and and really uh Bob Hoffman talks about this he was just lucky he was a great athlete and he trained hard and he was constantly trying to make himself better I’m sure that contributed to it all somewhat but hey when you when he comes off the battlefield and he’d been shot 13 times one you know in the knees his bullet holes and his canteens he’d been just just that’s just Miracle y Lo out so going back to the book he says we should bend all our efforts toward becoming so strong that no other Nation or Coalition of Nations will dare to attack us we should build the physical strength of our manhood and Womanhood our mechanical equipment our Navy in particular and our army so that we can resist any form of invasion in the future and I I put that in there because you’re going to see a a pretty common theme in the way this guy lived his life which was to be stronger faster better smarter always trying to improve himself always trying to be the best Bob Hoffman that he could be and obviously that’s how he ended up running a giant you know Organization for weightlifting and and fitness and he actually took some heat for the way he lived sometimes and here they were they were on on the ship heading overseas heading to France or or to England and he’s talking about what it was like for him being a guy that believes in being strong and healthy and smarter and trying to improve himself here we here we go back to the book all sorts of men make up an army good bad and indifferent I found myself in lots of trouble for I had been Bond of study Athletics and work went home I didn’t smoke drink chew gamble or go out with questionable women or indulge in other diversions that some considered to be manly there were men who thought that I was a because I did not have manly habits this led to a great many fights and I thought at one time I would have to beat every man in the company individually to prove that I wasn’t a I did get enough practice that later enabled me to win the boxing championship in my body weight class of our division this experience served me well on the Atlantic Crossing for I fought five three round fights in one day someone had to do it and the job fell on me so he was getting you know for lack of a better word picked on cuz he was a goodie two shoes MH and the only way he was able to stand up for himself was just to get his scrap on get his fight on he was a straight edge yeah he was a he was a he was a early day straight edge guy yeah I don’t think he had uh The Straight Edge Music going into his head yet that might have helped him out so they get overseas and now I’m taking you straight into it into them getting him getting tasked with with their first mission and here we go was I thrilled the front at last when asked by our captain if I wanted to go with the platoon I said do I want to go that’s what I’ve been yearning and aching for all these months when I was just a youngster I would read books telling how anxious soldiers were to go into action I couldn’t understand how men could desire to go out and fight and die but it is something that grows on you you train and expect so long that finally you become anxious to get into it to get it over with time was short we went back to our companies on the run our company was assembled and I briefly explained that a plune of 58 men was to be selected and that we were to make an attack with the French at 6:00 that night my words fell like a bombshell a brief cheer went up from our company I asked all the men who wanted to be first in action to step forward and like one man the entire company stepped forward men who did men who did not get to go on this trip cried real tears a direct contrast to the lack of volunteering for Dangerous missions a few months later when they had become War weary then they would go if assigned to any task no matter how dangerous but they did not rush in they became fatalists and said they’d go if they were chosen they’d die if it was their turn but they weren’t going to overwork fate and if you that’s a perfect uh comparison to the story that I tell in my retirement speech where we had this horrible situation going on in Eastern ratti and I basically said all right whoever wants to go and live in this worst area put your name up on that board and every guy put their name up on that board and I’ll tell you this is also accurate in the fact that you fast forward two or three months into deployment after we’ve taken casualties after Mark had been killed and all of a sudden guys we’re not and I’ll use the exact quote he uses here they’d go to any task assigned no matter how dangerous but they did not rush in they became War weary and that happens to anybody and I even saw that on my first diplom to Iraq we we first got up into Baghdad everybody wants to go on every Mission everyone’s All Fired Up But as time goes by you start saying what are we doing this mission for what’s this Mission about who who we going after mhm fear starts to creep in now let’s get to the assault the French men were working like mad with their trench mortars they kept shells continuously in the air at 3 minutes to 6 Sergeant Felix walked along the parit informing all our men that we were going over in a few moments I urged him to keep down not to make a target of himself but he disregarded my advice finally as our watches which had been synchronized before the bombardment pointed exactly to 6:00 there were whistles and commands and climbing men leaving the trench all along the line the Gunners who had been working so desperately with the trench mortars to pave the way for us cheered and cried out to us evidently urging us to sweep the Germans from the hill I just couldn’t understand what they said and soon we were in the thick of things bullets flying merrily by this time from the German trenches perhaps a fourth of a mile away I was hardly out of the trench until some great force pushed me knocking me over for a distance of perhaps 20 ft I didn’t know what had hit me but I felt blood running down my right eye after that knockdown I forgot the line of combat groups and we fought just as our ancestor ancesters had always fought instinctive rushing forward stopping to shoot rushing again and shooting again so that’s like that’s your welcome to combat oh you’re all fired up you ready to go get some cool go over the top the first thing that happens to you is you get shot which is what happened to him he doesn’t even know it yet all Americans have a legacy which has come to them from courageous fighting Pioneer ancestors the American Soldier is a good soldier he has not had the centuries of drilling to make his own individual self subservient to the will of the commanding officer he does not like to salute The Brass Bar unless that Lieutenant has won his respect through Deeds he does not like to be regimented turned into a mere robot he can think and act for himself and when a battle has passed the initial stages he’s the best soldier in the world this is going this again reminder this is World War I and I say this all the time people in the military are not robots and I can’t speak too much about people from other militaries but clearly this was a standout thought as an American looking at American troops in combat they they’re not just robots and one of the best things about him is that they can think now here come a bunch of Americans over on some Germans coming up on their trench perhaps the Germans were too startled at the size and evident ferocity of their antagonist to fight well for a minute but it seemed like a group of big men who had who had met a lot of boys playing soldiers one push and the Germans rifle was knocked from his hand a long thrust and that unfortunate man had reached the end of his life I can still see the faces of these men their evident Terror their astonishment at the number of men who leaped at them from the grass at the size and power of these men their evident helplessness there was not time for them to surrender they had jumped up with bayoneted rifles and in a moment or two it was all over now this continues our Advanced troops had passed me by I could see dead Germans laying here and there right near me were two of them close together one of them was a big older man with a Prussian mustache his hands still clasped the point in his stomach where the bayonet had gone in and been withdrawn the youngster lay all twisted it up he too had been bayonetted and it seemed that his bones were broken from The Strokes of the butt of a rifle a rifle is a wicked weapon when swung by a powerful man and there were many strong men in action that day it’s you know you hear about bayonet fighting but to think about it on this scale where this is this is looking more like a scene out of Braveheart at this point than it is looking like a modern war people clubbing each other to death and stabbing each other at bayonet range the Germans weren’t giving out giving up without a real struggle we had let read a lot about chained machine Gunners but these men weren’t Chained and they were fighting to the bit bitter death now that chained machine gunner this is like a rumor that happened that the Americans would hear because the Germans had a machine gun and it was a big heavy sort of a mediumweight or heavyweight machine gun I think it was a mg08 and and it was so heavy that they put this big sling on it and on the sling it was made of leather but they had to reinforce the leather with chain and so when they would find these soldiers dead with these machine guns and the the chain would clip into their gear the rumor was that these guys had just been chained to their machine guns you can’t leave you’re just going to stay here and fight to the death D our men were con back to the book our men were constantly rising and falling some of them never to rise again our ranks were becoming rapidly decimated and there were few of us still going forward at this point I have never seen an authentic list of the casualties of a company that day but I know this I never saw a single one of those 58 men of our company who went over the top that night again at the front I had been hit several times once on the left knee once on the right knee either bullet could have left me crippled for life but both glanced off the bone leaving only a scar which is noticeable to this day one grazed my arm leaving a scar at present an inch long and 3/4 of an inch wide I had a variety of feelings as these bullets struck or scratched me the first which hit my helmet gave me the same sensation as if I had been pushing as if I had been pushed by a gigantic hand the bullets on the knees stung like I had been hit with a whip and the bullet that cut through the arm and the one which left its mark on my face felt like a drop of hot water had hit me about this time the battle had become very hot we fired at every enemy we could could see and they were firing from every direction from the front left and right and even from behind because we’d gone so fast that we had not dropped the snipers who were firing at us from the trees caught in a little 360° Field of Fire by the way caught in a 360 degree Field of Fire after you’ve been shot what five times we talked about lucky obviously better to be lucky than good at this point it’s crazy how he how he describes getting shot you know how you’d almost think that dang you get shot that’d be so painful but when you’re in the heat of things and I think it happens so fast that it like your nerves don’t pick up on the the the destruction it depends where you get shot it depends where those rounds hit and I remember actually even hearing guys from Vietnam guys from seals from Vietnam told me um one guy told me a story that the first time he got shot they were out on operation came back he was literally heading out to the bar actually actually he said he was in the bar and he realized he was bleeding and he looked down and he had been shot somewhere in the abdomen D but you know obviously it wasn’t that bad but he had been shot um yeah and it it can you can you can catch a bullet in the wrong place and it’s game over mhm or you can catch a bolt in the wrong place and it can just take you off your feet or you can catch a bolt in the wrong place and your arm won’t move anymore or there’ll be massive amounts of pain or you can catch a bullet in the right place and it goes through and through it goes in and out very quickly doesn’t hit anything vital and you know you’re just kind of Lucky but the as far as the pain goes you think you know it’s the same thing you’re right sometimes it goes through and through and guys barely even notice it right and sometimes if it hits the wrong spot it hits a bone or whatever I mean it’s it’s a Roch massive pain like I hear of stories about um it’s going to sound kind of grotesque but like girls will get stabbed in the back or something and they’ll be like oh it felt like I’m thinking of a particular Story I Heard where girl got stabbed by an attacker in the back and she was like oh it felt like he was just beating me with his fist on my back and then I felt the warm blood going down you know and then later on they found out it’s like I don’t know it’s weird it’s like it happens so fast or something combined with adrenaline you don’t feel the the Destruction part of it you know and it depends what it hits too yeah man it does depend what it hits that’s crazy he say felt like hot water that’s you know yeah actually I had a guy one one of my guys got shot he was out you know firefight going on and all of a sudden he’s he feels the hot you know the hot kind of dripping down his back hot liquid dripping down his back and it turned out he’d just been shot in the Camel Back In The Camel Back camel back you know those those they’re like thermoses they’re like cens they’re soft canteens you wear them on your back and and it was hot out so the water in there was heated up and you sure enough he shot he thought he got shot but it actually just hit his Camel Back dang I remember I my toenail fell off right in in training then I stubbed that on a corner and I almost passed out so you kind of consider the the destruction you know you kind of compare them yeah it’s almost like taking a bullet would be less painful then ripping out ekko’s toenail well it was my toenail got ripped off and then so it was jacked up for a few days and then I stubbed that on the corner of um I think it was like well you got a bunch of nerves in your toes that’s why you got fingernails or toenails and again the most important thing is where you know what is that what does that bullet hit what does that blade hit what does it do to you does it hit the does it hit a nerve or not yeah and the adrenaline because when I got my tone ripped off it it hit at this weird angle where it just peeled back my whole big toenail and it didn’t really hurt that much cuz I was rolling you know the adrenaline and stuff but if I just sat there and said hey Joo peel back my toenail like that it’d probably hurt way more it would hurt way more cuz i’ be F all right here we go back to the book The Operators of machine guns of any sorts are targets for all Riflemen their vulnerability and action gave rise to the term Suicide Squad Sergeant Felix called to one of the runners to bring him the gun the runner dropped dead as he handed the gun to Felix we had Advanced to the German third line trench fighting desperately meanwhile and driving the Germans before us I had not reached any of them with my bayonet but had been doing the deadly work with my rifle as we rushed to the German trench expecting to jump down into it and fight hand to hand with the Enemy we saw that we could not do this the trench was covered thoroughly with barbed wire so that nothing much larger than a hummingbird could get in we laid down outside the parit to fire at close range someone shouted look out there’s a bomb it went off it went right off in my face but all my part seemed to be present immediately afterwards I saw Felix lying there sprawled out groping for his pistol I said what’s the matter Bill he couldn’t answer but turned weakly to me and I saw that half his face seemed to have been torn off I picked up the automatic rifle and as I turned it into the German trench they got up and ran back I was the only one firing I saw many of them drop with the 60 shots a minute I was pumping at them so I knew I was getting enough of the enemy to make up for our men who had been killed and wounded for a time and there was nothing to shoot at so I took stock of the situation so far back that there were hardly more than specks I saw tiny men in blue digging in it must have been all of a half a mile I knew that we should not stay out here in such an isolated post but what were we to do I never thought for a minute of abandoning the wounded so there we stayed the snipers far off in the wood were still firing at us and there was no way we could reach them or entirely Escape their bullets I couldn’t get into the trench so I C crawled around it well over into the woods shell holes everywhere I saw for the first time what Havoc could be wrought by shell fire at places the shell holes were connected solidly to each other the trees and bushes were shattered men were blown up and blown up again they were in pieces it would have taken a bushel basket or a GI can to have gather up all those Germans for burial I admit that they were the finest of soldiers after four years of war they fought to the death before we before they would give up a position they were so well trained that it was second nature with them they had been regimented for so long that they never questioned an order put up with all sorts of priz ation and suffering and were cheerful through it all the majority of them were in very good condition when captured it showed they could take it I often wondered if our own men could be as good soldiers after four years of war all of us could not be brave bravery is a sort of fixed quality something that some men’s have some men have and others do not only physical collapse or death stops the brave some will be brave when they must when they like a mother animal are driven by the Instinct of self pre preservation to protect their own lives or that of their offspring a man who naturally has courage is fortunate it is the ability to control his mind to prepare it so that he feels nothing courage is the product of physical strength and mental strength combined proper training will make men more courageous and certainly these Germans were courageous physical strength and mental strength combined that’s where that courage comes from Back to the book I tried to do something for the wounded they were very cold by this time suffering from loss of blood they were lying there stripped to the waist I reached for the canteen of one of the dead men there were two bullet holes through mine and it was empty just as I turned a bullet from a far off to the left tore through the Flesh of my cheek had I not turned at that very instant it would have gone through my head dead center killing me or sadly maming me for Life little vona who lay there was just 16 years of age he was the first of a dozen youngsters whose ages ranged from 14 to 16 who had had listed in our company they had lied about their actual age enamored with the appearance of our fellows in uniform they too wanted to be soldiers some of them lost their nerve before they reached the front and tried in many ways to get out of service the Spencer Brothers 15 and 16 years of age were to be killed by shell fire there was no fear in this little Italian boy he’s talking about little voona he had always been a hot hotthead wanting to fight with a knife fork or anything he could lay his hands on when someone antagonized him a bit he was dashing forward with bayonetted rifle in hand so fast when the bullet which killed him which hit him that he lay out well on the barbed wire covering the German trench kids 14 15 and 16 years old I don’t I’m not saying anything bad about our current state in America but I have a hard time picturing the current brood of 14 15 and 16 year olds getting their trench warfare on 14 15 and 16 years old face to face with the Germans back to the book I crawled back and there was one of our men crying I asked him why and he replied that so many of his friends have been killed I told him not to worry about the killed that we had living wounded to be concerned about to get back that he had better go for help and stretchers and see if we could not evacuate our fellows I had no other thought than that I should die as bravely as I could for my friends or country or something so I prepared to sell my life as dearly as possible in a surprisingly few minutes there came a crashing through the woods the sound of voices and a large body of men came into view I lay still waited until they were close and then jumped up pointing my automatic rifle at them and was prepared to go into action I suppose it was very startling to have a dead men jump up for I certainly looked dead I pulled the trigger and as soon as one man fell the other alls the others all shouted comrade it’s a like holding up a train no one wants to be the first killed so a crowded car permits one man to hold it up when the Germans found that I had stopped firing they were anxious to surrender their officer was as nice and polite as any head waiter in a high class restaurant he knew a little English and understood when I told him to have his men pile the arms in one place put their packs and another and make improvised stretchers to carry back the wounded this all took a just a few minutes and soon we were starting back so the tough Germans he ended up capturing a bunch of Germans and he actually actually makes a funny comment here that he says that that as he was walking back with all these Germans that he had captured a couple other guys now helped him once he got off the front lines and he says that his award says that he had assisted in the capture of 38 Germans and he can see he’s kind of upset about that cuz he did it by himself he didn’t assist he got the whole thing done and now he ends up because of the wounds that he suffered he ends up in the hospital and he starts having thoughts and explaining what it’s like being in the hospital and the people that are in there with him Youth Of All Nations seldom reckons the cost they make the best soldiers because they will go out and try to die bravely for their countries as I expected and tried to do older men are more cautious they have homes perhaps families positions they know about life they usually know the Folly of War they are careful and battles are not won by being careful the impetuous youthful soldiers are the best fighter that’s why war will always take the flower of the manhood of the Nations involved the strongest most intelligent most useful of men now he starts talking about what happens he’s again still in the hospital trying to recover from the wounds he’s he has his wounds obviously aren’t as bad as some of the other wounded that he’s in there with back to the book when a man was dying they would move him out it was not it was bad enough for him to die without his comrades who did not know when their own turn might come having to watch him die some of the men went out screaming when they were moved the nurses would try and ease their going by telling them that they were only going to the operating room for minor treatment or to the dressing room to have their bandages changed Ed the fellows soon learned to observe whether the little bag which held their personal belongings sometimes a helmet or a coat came with them if it remained behind they could expect to come back but if it too was moved then they were sure that worse was in store for them some begged to be left there to die with their friends around them not to be placed with a lot of near corpses who were completely lead strangers the more pitifully wounded did not wish to live they constantly begged doctors and nurses sometimes at the top of their voices to put an end to them some made attempts to end their lives with a knife or Fork it became necessary to feed these wounded and never leave a knife or a fork with them a blinded man who was suffering greatly and did not wish to live had killed himself with a fork it was hard to drive it deep enough through his chest to end his life and he kept hitting it with his clenched fist to drive it deeper that is I guess about as bad as it gets when you have individuals that survived combat but are in such a wretched state that the soldier killed himself with a fork and you know what one of my guys one of my buddies Brian job he he got blinded in both eyes after took around to the to the face and it really does show you I mean I would talk to him on the phone when we were still over there and just his attitude was so indominable his Spirit was so strong and I’ll tell you something else he had been sent to at one point he was sent to the place where they have the guys that have had traumatic brain injuries who are having trouble with their thoughts and with their motor skills and guys that are in really bad shape and when he was there and I talked to him on the phone he he spent about a week there and he told me you know hey I’m moving I’m I think I think he’d already left but he said basically told him hey get me out of here I I don’t need the kind of help that these guys needs I’m taking up someone’s bed so even though he was blind and of course he was a tough bastard but I mean tough bastard not he was blind I mean that’s a game changer obviously but he still looked at the guys that were wounded worse than him and was like hey I don’t want to take up anybody’s bed I’m good I’ll be okay I can’t see but I’m good didn’t he say he want to come back too oh yeah Dam of course of course yeah he he was like telling me just let me come back let me come back and I can I can I can St watch cuz I can smell them and unfortunately he he didn’t get a chance to go back so now there’s a the the Germans had made a drive for for Paris and the Americans were now involved in a Counterattack and Bob Hoffman is still in the hospital and now the wounded start coming in from this Counterattack the wounded that came in now were particularly serious cases men who had been wounded by tremendous shells there was much screaming and anguish displayed by these sorely wounded men seldom was it quiet at night men whose nerves broke would be screaming all night there were many cases of shell shock men who had had their maniacal moments when they felt that they were still at the front being subjected to Shell fire they were out of their minds and there was nothing that could be done about it but it made it most unpleasant for the other wounded horrible cases of mustard gas were everywhere some of these men were blinded and had to lie for Endless days when their heads covered with bandages some of the men were able to walk spray legged down the aisles I was told that their testicles had in some cases shriveled up like dry peas in a pod they were certainly in a bad way so the mustard gas it attacks the softest part of your tissues right so your eyes your nose your your testicles like anywhere where there’s moisture and softness and on the 21st of July the doctors decide that he fit to go back to the front he gets on a train I can you imagine you go you fight this battle you get wounded you come back you’re watching guys come in that are severely wounded shell shock mustard gas and then they say okay by the way now you’re good to go we’re going to send you back out to the front like you think you got that million dollar wound that we talk about in a bunch of these episodes where people say oh I I made it off the front he goes off the front for I don’t even think it’s a month I think it’s a few weeks and now you’re fit for Duty again back to the front back to the front back to the meat grinder and he goes there by train in a surprisingly short time at about 2:00 we were close enough to the front that we had started to see the dead soldiers of both armies along the way the American soldiers had been buried hastily in holes they had dug along the road as they were advancing but there were still many of them laying in the fields I could see their khaki uniforms and their white faces as we passed there are two Chief reasons why a soldier feels fear first that he will not get home to see his loved ones again but most of all picturing himself in the same position as some of the dead men we saw they lay there face up usually in the rain their eyes open their faces pale and chalk like their gold te showing that is in the beginning after that they are usually too horrible to think about we buried them as fast as we could Germans French and Americans alike get them out of sight but not out of memory I can remember hundreds and hundreds of dead men I would know them now if I were to meet them in the Hereafter I could tell them where they were laying and how they were killed whether with shell fire gas machine gun or bayonet in the beginning we had a fear of the Dead we hated to touch them some of the hardest experience of my life were taking the identification tags from my dead friends the first dead man I touched was Philip betic an Austrian Baker who was with our company I tried to save his life by carrying him through heavy enemy fire and putting him in one of the cellers of the French houses he was shot in my arms as I carried him a few hours later I found time to go round and find how he was he was dead stiff and [Music] cold I had to remove his identification tags and they slipped down between his collar bones and the Flesh of his chest they were held there and it took an effort to get them out I thrilled and chilled with horror as I touched him it was hard to touch these dead men at first my people at home hearing of what I was passing through expected me to come back hard brutal callous careless but I didn’t even want to take a dead mouse out of the Trap when I got home yet over there I buried 78 men one morning I didn’t dig the holes for them of course but I did take their personal belongings from them to return to their people their Rings trinkets letters and identification tags you hear these days you know people will talk about seeing a dead body and how that’s a traumatic experience and as a matter of fact my son uh he has he found a dead body one down on the beach and one guy fell off the cliff and by my house I saw that in the news by the right right and you know people were saying oh you know you you should you know make sure you talk about it with him and make sure he’s okay and all that you know great you’re concerned but can you imagine I mean you’re just seeing dead body after dead body after dead body after dead body after dead body after dead body it goes on and on and on yeah like that kind of this kind of if you’re in that environment sometimes it could you could have that kind of desensitized you know feeling but I would imagine it would really come to get you after everything calms down you know like what like how he was saying he he didn’t even want to take a mouse out of the TR Dead Mouse cuz it’s a reminder in this calm environment a reminder of just all that death you know yeah but it’s almost like working on a car cuz you kind of know all the little working parts and you can fix them fuse them together and boom it works now you know kind of so there’s that element of thinking um and then yeah sure on the other side it’s it’s a person and if you know the guy you know it might even be more personal but in war it seems way more dark because the guy’s not supposed to be dead the you know the goal is to live and to win the war death is literally like the worst case scenario for the person or one of them so when you see someone dead it’s like man it’s not it’s part of the job but it’s not the the the outcome that you’re the goal you know it’s no part of the goal is to die ever it’s like the bad part so it can’t be substituted with hey you know that’s you can’t substitute your thinking in regards to this dead person with you know part of being part of my goal of my job you know yeah although I I will say that you know when you’ve got at least we had we have a volunteer military service and everybody that joins up knows that that’s part of the risk of the job so at least even though that’s obviously not the goal you know that guys have at least come to grips with the reality that that that’s what they may face yeah fully kind of like if you’re a fighter in the guy um you know getting knocked out seeing a guy get knocked out you know broken leg or something like that it’s like it’s part of the game you know but um obviously way not quite as heavy as the war situation no So speaking of which back to the book here they are he’s now just fighting and he’s with another guy named vau and vau kind of pokes his head up above this barricade and starts shooting and he’s kind of looking at him thinking that seems pretty dangerous but he sees vau getting away with it so he gets up there too and starts shooting and soon they’re they’re firing shots and then back to the book here but after several shots each I suddenly saw V’s helmet go sailing down over the slight Hill I looked at him and the entire top of his head was off apparently a dumb Dum type bullet one in which the lead had been cut so that it would spread in the instant it struck tearing a terrific hole in the object it hit had flattened against his helmet or tin hat and had taken his taken off his head to a level with his eyes and ears he had been kneeling and his buttocks went back a bit his head forward and his brains ran out there in front of me like soup from a pot I did not fire over another wall the sniper had his choice to pick one or the other of us for some unknown reason he chose vau I’m here and he’s gone vau laid there for a couple days finally he was carried down and stored in the room where we had the other dead piled up like logs of wood but he had to have his own place in the corner it was gruesome enough the nerve strain of the constant gas attacks was severe we were wakened up at every hour of the day and night to stand to in preparation for an attack to prepare to move on or at least put our gas masks on then now they’re getting ready to do another assault one of the greatest barges in the history of the war was being put over the Earth and the air constantly trembled with the force of explosions each flare would show us the details of no man land No Man’s Land Between the Lines dead men were laying everywhere in the most grotesque positions some of them lay as if sound asleep one man’s head rested so comfortably on his arm that I could not believe he was dead others had been blown to Pieces several times and some were just arms and legs or torsos this night approach to the front made us sick as we finally found the men we were to relieve we were all thoroughly sick the ground was rotten with tear and vomiting gas mustard gas 2 was all around war is bad enough without the constant torture of gas there was a constant cry for stretcher bearers for the Red Cross the most diabolical screaming and moaning That Could Be Imagined human beings lying helpless no way to fight back not knowing who would be killed by the next Shell it is hard to be brave at night shelling at night saps the courage from the bravest everyone lies there and shakes Only the strongest can keep their right Minds it is on such nights as this that men go out of their head one will never know how he will behave in such an ordeal some men weep others shake some stand up nonchalantly apparently not caring whether they get killed or wounded some tell crude jokes but mostly the men dig and dig so that is only the direct hits that will get them grimly enduring the torture that human beings subject each other to not knowing who will go next we spent 5 days in that place which was popularly called Death Valley I don’t know whether there was any real object in staying and dying there but we were ordered into that Valley and there we stayed there were always a few Maniacs around men who had lost their mind through shell fire and had to be overpowered and bound some men were buried alive and we were constantly busy digging out the live ones many would be smothered before we could get them out at times we would have a group of wounded and stretcher Bears making their way up the hill a shell would fall among them and nearly all would be killed so many men were wounded wounded again and were still under Fire sometimes we found two or three men dead together and so badly mixed up that we could not tell whether we got the right hearts in the right grave or not the men suffered and so did the horses one of my most painful memories at the front was seeing a shell drop near two artillery horses the horses broke away from the tree to which they were secured and galloped up through the field one of the horses was hit in the abdomen its intestines its intestines dropped out dragged on the ground ground and soon its feet were entangled in its own intestines to the point where it fell down and could not run any further it lay there with its head up for what seemed like to be an endless period it seemed to be more surprised concerning how it had become entangled in its own Parts than in the pain we were sorry that it was so situated by this time that it was difficult to put it out of its misery I think most people when they think of horses you just think of a beautiful creature running free and now you have this image for the rest of your life there was intense fighting in a place called sergy and the usual atrocity Stories We heard many of them they went something like this a 2-year-old girl got in the way of a marching column of German troops a soldier bayonetted it and carried it away on his bayonet children were slaughtered for no apparent motive the soldiers tied up civilian prisoners prodded them with bayonets put lit cigarettes in their noses and ears and shot them eyes were burned out with red hot pokers civilian snipers were tortured in every possible way in Vil they had been spread eagled in the Public Square a rat would be placed under an iron kettle upon the man or woman’s bare abdomen then a fire built a top the kettle the victim was tortured first by the Frantic running around of the rat on his or her bare abdomen when it became nearly smothered and Terror stricken and pain-filled from the smoke and heat then it would eat down through the body of the human’s living flesh to escape we found the dead body of a girl her arms were nailed to the door in extended fashion her left breast was half cut away a young boy of five or six years of age lay on a doorstep with his two hands nearly severed from his arms but still hanging to them at another place where the were the dead bodies of a man and woman a girl and a boy each of them had both hands cut off at the wrists and both feet above the ankle child of seven beheaded a whole family killed including a young girl because the girl would not give herself to the Germans burned to death in their houses all the women violated the entire German regiment drunk Etc the above are exact quotations from the Bryce report which specialized in outrages against women and children they are samples of the sort of Stories We were always hearing and he goes on to say that he never saw personally these things but this is the kind of things that they heard about happening all the time and they’re getting ready for another Counterattack a quick Council of War brought the decision that we would cross the bridge in daylight the men got ready to move as and we prepared to rush across the bridge three or four at a time the ranks of every company had been decimated and probably our outfit consisted of only four or 500 men instead of the full strength 1 000 men there should have been there were dead Germans all around but I could see one particularly well he had been coming up the street past one of the garden walls and had been hit with a shell his legs were laying on this side of the wall were lying there like they had been taken from some gigantic frog while on the other side of the wall the hole the shell made I could see the rest of his body he was a powerful appearing man in his early 20s with a thick shock of blonde hair his eyes were wide open he never knew what hit him about the middle of the afternoon the Germans tried another Counterattack and we helped the Defenders behind the barricade and in the houses further up the street by sniping from the second floor of the houses we occupied we were prepared to stop the attack if it had penetrated down the street to our positions firing over the heads of Men Behind the barricade we were able to assist in stopping this Counterattack the Germans too had their snipers to cover the advance of their men I remember one who was firing very carefully from a window in a house house well up the street I took careful aim and he fell forward out of the window during all this fighting the air was filled with dust and with the fumes of powder they burnt our noses throats and lungs to such an extent that we could not tell if gas was in the air and it’s this point they’re trying to make progress and they get caught in a horrible Crossfire flanking fire frontal fire is bad enough but flanking fire is suicidal men were getting hit all around us they were calling for stretches trying to apply their own first aid kits on every side and some of them were gasping out their last breaths to have come so far at least 4 000 miles and to have their lives snuffed out so wanly so uselessly behind this wall in the backyards of a remote French Village that the world would never have heard of were it not for the action which took place there and this defense that they make of this Village kind of comes down to one final situation that they’re in they’re hold up and they’re about to be attacked by the Germans some G M had fallen which added to the pain and bleeding of the wounded and proved to us that no hell in the hair after could be greater than this man-made hell that we were enduring man men began to go out of their heads shell shocked if we could call it that or just crazy from weakness strain suffering and hungry hunger with all that death around them it was near the breaking point for all of us who survived we would ask ourselves How can there be any more but there was more and worse the night wore on and the morning of the fifth day was about to break the German artillery speeded up again we knew that an attack was impending everywhere I looked were dead men there seemed to be no live men around to man the guns here they come was shouted along the line and many of the nearly dead men rose up to man their guns behind the wall that had become almost a part of us wave after wave of Germans were coming through the peir the pear Orchard rifles hand grenades and machine guns but worst of all the flamethrowers I could see the men plainly they had tanks on their backs and from the ends of their hoses came great masses of Liquid Fire shooting towards us at a distance of at least 50 yard Ys the smoke went far beyond us we felt that the heat would burn us up every man able to fire concentrated upon the men who were operating the flamethrowers almost immediately they were put out of action their tanks perforated and each man’s body a mass of flames the Flames leaped and shot into the air thus was the attack stopped by the Germans own diabolical weapon they suffered far more than we never after that in the war did we encounter that type of flamethrower again they were the real Suicide Squad The Men Who operated those tanks were sure to suffer a terrible and quick death it was a narrow Escape there were just a handful of us left when we were relieved that night and staggered across the river there were just 32 of us left our companies on the line were almost completely wiped out but we had held the line they held the line at an unfathomable cost in Blood and Sanity and lives they held the line and men like Bob Hoffman who met face to face with hell and evil and darkness that crushes Youth and laughter and for many people it crushes hope but Bob Hoffman overcame all of that and he came back and really from my perspective through Fitness he led an incredible life and he ended up writing a book about it and it was called how to be strong healthy and happy and that’s a tall order that’s a tall order who doesn’t want to be strong healthy and happy and the book it some of it’s dated much of it isn’t but some of it’s dated but I and I don’t want to go deep into the book but I do want to hit some highlights from this book on how to be strong healthy and happy some things to think about Bob Hoffman hero from World War I who’d been through hell I’m just going to read some quotes from this physical training pays I always say that any exercise is better than no exercise now he talks about sleep a little bit and those folks out there that harass me on Twitter doc parsley constantly harassing me on Twitter telling me to sleep more this is what this is what Bob hman had to say about sleep there are different speeds of sleep some sleep faster than others and can awake refreshed with a moderate number of hours of sleep which would leave others tired and worn fast sleeping is a result of properly operating bodily functions of per perfect functioning of all organs and it comes to from accustoming the body to an hour or two less sleep many great men of history are reported to have slept only a fraction of the time that the average person spend sleeping it was said that Thomas Edison the world famous inventor would sleep up 4 hours a night but he had a cot in his laboratory on which you would lie and think and his assistants have reported he took naps during the day many men who are reported to sleep up 4 hours a night will make up for it with naps during daylight hours so there you go you’re good to go that’s all you need to do sleep faster talking to you Eko tuning in what are you 9 hours 10 hours no regular eight I think nice nice sleep faster now speaking of that too much sleep is not a benefit rather it is depressing causes sluggishness and a state of lethargy I like that too much sleep take that take that doc parsley out there but in all you know doc do you know doc parsley he trains bagely yeah but he’s he’s he’s a doctor but he’s he’s done a lot of stuff with sleep and studying sleep and he’s always giving me a hard time cuz sleep is good for you I’m only kidding everybody sleep is definitely good for you I should sleep more I just have a hard time doing it there’s so much to be done in the world and you’re sleeping fast so and I am sleeping a little bit faster than everybody else evidently another quote any young man who desires to obtain the most from life should spend a good portion of his time improving himself physically regardless of your age you just make it a rule to learn something new each day and to do something each day to improve yourself physically so he’s talking about mental and physical strength he talks about learning stuff memor memorizing stuff doing math in your head just getting smarter I believe we talk about that sometimes the best hobby of all is physical training concentrate on your activities instead of worrying about the future welcome the opportunity to face problems or deals or battles of your life you can build yourself so that you obtain pleasure from overcoming from defeating problems apparently insurmountable difficulties you can overcome all your difficulties and win you will find the next encounter easier you will have greater confidence in your own own ability got problems good let’s face them and uh actually I forgot to mention this but this book I remember the last war I got from somebody on Twitter and I’m sorry hey everybody on Twitter number one I I don’t know if people want to be mentioned or not and also when I transfer what people tell me to the document that I keep it doesn’t pull their names go so they’re just lost but usually people hit me up afterwards and say yo right I gave you that book so somebody recommended the book to me I remember the last war and once I started doing some research about Bob Hoffman and I saw he had another book that was literally called how to be strong healthy and happy I just ordered immediately so I could see what he had to say about it all and I think he has some pretty good information here’s another quote people who know nothing of the pleasures and advantages of having super strength and health often say what good are musles they say they have your no use for them that they are healthy but they are only half alive in many cases for they will never have felt the Indescribable sense of power and well-being the sense of superiority or capability that strong persons feel many youths have eliminated an inferiority complex by the growing knowledge know of the power they possess by their physical ability or superiority over average persons we might have to do an ego check here Bob on that one but actually he’s going to Ego check it right here himself I do not mean by this that strong men should go around bullying others by demonstrating their strength as an actual fact the stronger and more capable a man the less likely he is to make a show of his strength by hurting or fighting others but strength of mind and body does beget confidence determination perseverance and many other admirable qualities so I think he he he brought it back around again and it’s funny you and I were talking before the podcast started about how some people if they’re a little bit insecure but they want to be a tough guy they they they got to act like that display it yeah and when you’re then you’re looking at him kind of like this guy must not be that tough cuz you’s got to act this way so they actually are getting less respect than they think they are yep but if they actually had confidence in their situation if they knew that they could handle themselves they wouldn’t be acting like that here’s another little something to think about don’t worry about things that might happen work hard and do the best you can and and if something happens it can’t be helped don’t give up never cry over spilt milk what is done is done it can’t be helped when it’s too late I have survived some apparently overwhelming difficulties easily enough with this point of view sort of your basic I mean no use crying over spilled milk hey yeah don’t abuse that one though cuz you know how um you know people will have the attitude but then sometimes they’ll let it overflow and it’ll get it’ll make itself they’ll allow it to be an excuse you know to to go unprepared yeah no that’s that’s not a good idea yeah yeah but it can do it you know cuz it’s like a um there might be a small like gray area you know cuz they’re like oh I don’t really care that much about the outcome what’s going to happen is going to happen so they it might like I said overflow into their the part of their mind of preparation yeah yeah don’t want to let that happen yeah so you know cuz the opposite is like if you obsess over the outcome you might obsess over the preparation maybe you know I mean that’s that’s those kind of go hand in hand a little bit so if you go the opposite you know you can get that be like eh whatever’s going to happen is going to happen so whatever that’s not the excuse we’re looking for no no not at all that’s why I saying be careful with that you know here we go a few more of these if you want to live long and be healthy strong and happy acquire habits of activity right now if you are tempted to sit in an easy chair find something to keep you busy a few minutes to a half an hour with the weights will be best if you find yourself going to the garage for your car to get to the grocery store walk instead I like this one right here if you don’t feel like getting dressed to go out do it anyways instead of lying down after a meal find something to do don’t pass the buck as they say in the Army do it yourself if it involves muscular action clean off the snow cut the grass Spade the garden that’s a good one that’s just a general rule if you don’t feel like something because you’re being lazy just do it don’t be lazy the thing that you could do tomorrow do it today do that thing today MH otherwise you get this if you put off until another day your good inent ions to normalize your body it won’t help the road to Despair and unhappiness is paved with good intentions lost along the way I think he just saying get after it basically is what I’m getting is what I’m getting from Bob Hoffman this is just old school just some old school knowledge right here if our country was invaded and our young men were a lot of cream puffs probably cowards through never having experienced hard work athletic competition or a good punch in the nose we would lose to the Invaders lose our freedoms and things worth more than life itself so he’s basically saying be harder tough up be tougher I support this idea 100% do things that make you tougher and better yes activity is life stag is death in life there is movement these are all well-known truisms and exercise bringing healthful activity to every organ gland and cell of the body keeps the entire body and mind radiantly alive and with a feeling of Pep energy and well-being that makes one so buoyant and alive that they feel like jumping and running oh he’s fired up exercise builds coordination balance control of the muscles it builds speeds Judgment of time and space and distance makes the entire body more responsive to the will and it teaches the body to do the right thing in times of danger even before it is directed by the Mind exercise is the best insurance against disease or sickness exercise builds confident for there is no road to Supreme confidence as sure as the knowledge of one’s physical and mental ability it cultivates power of will will gives you complete Mastery of your physical and mental self promotes personal efficiency and all desirable mental characteristics exercise improves the efficiency of every part of the body it helps you sleep Sounder and faster so that you have more time for work and pleasure makes it possible for you to earn more exercise makes it possible to live more exercise will only take one tenth of the time you now spend on foolish expenditures of time and energy this is this is funny because this is written in like 1930 something now you have time to sit around to read for entertainment too often True Detective stories other true stories which do you no good but merely tell you of the Troubles of others you spend a lot of time at the movies perhaps or listening to the radio in talk or gossip in watching athletic events which put which others put forth effort and receive physical benefit you know add the interweb into that equation and social media and you’ve got no time in the day yeah it’s essentially internet is basically all that on on the computer yeah all that without moving all that just through your thumbs right so it’s sure that you can find time for exercise to obtain much of what is worth in life you must find time your health demands it and I’m going to wrap it up uh right here with this this one but probably you have done as the majority do drifted along from day to day promising yourself that you would start exercising tomorrow or next week or next month when the weather becomes cooler tomorrow comes next week and next month cool weather and even next year comes and goes and you do nothing about it after years of thinking about exercise but not acting you find the firm rounded attractive muscles of your youth have changed into the weak and soft muscles of middle age you take on a little excess flesh and make mental note some night when you gaze upon yourself in the mirror that you’ll have to do something cut down on starches or sweets get more exercise but you’ve deed veled an enormous appetite during these years and at best you refrain from eating sweets for a day or two it seems that all the things you like are the best fat producers you can’t give them up you notice you don’t have endurance anymore you get tired after you walked a block or two your wind isn’t as good as it used to be remember last night how you puffed when you ran for the street car remember how you how it made you blow to carry you that empty trunk up to the iic your tailor pokes you good naturedly when he’s fitting your suit and remarks that the fat is piling on and your waist is increasing by inches these are all reasons why you should exercise it’s not too late now it’s never too late as long as you are able to be around to exercise and improve yourself physically men of all ages receive quick results from proper physical training it’s never too late to make correct s in your mode of living some classic stuff there there’s a little Cav out there with you how he says it’s never too late that’s true that’s true it’s never too late but the more time that you have spent getting into shape you can fall out of shape and when you come back to it it’ll be way easier and I mentioned this before that’s cool you you can you can keep telling yourself that but I’m telling you if let’s say you no you’re right you’re right you want to have a good base if you have a good base of being strong it’s going to be easier for you than somebody somebody that’s never worked out before yes that’s a given that being said if you take a person that’s never lifted before never worked out before when they start man they make all kinds of crazy gains yeah right yeah but keep in mind they’re still starting at the bottom of the ladder so yeah the first you know 10 steps on the ladder come quick quickly but that comes for everybody give her to you know give so sure okay in the small little picture you can be like hey that guy he started on the first 10 steps of the ladder way later in life so look at his gains way later in life but meanwhile you had those first steps done 35 years ago you’re on step you know 125 right now you are correct the bottom line is both groups will benefit oh yeah physical activity and so the the point being you know how and he mentions this how he like oh just do it tomorrow or I’ll just do it um you know the New Year’s resolution or whatever the more time you spend not doing it the harder it is to to get there and stay there cuz man it you you know though I I actually have a theory on this too like if you miss a workout you can never make it up it’s gone like it’s like it’s gone you can never make it because you worked out the next day but no no you missed the day that you that was supposed to be a different workout right you got weaker you can’t get it back right now sometimes you need a break and well I think we got some questions about that sometimes you definitely need a rest that you’re push your body so hard you do so much AC activity but you’re not going to get that chance to work out again and you know what you’re not going a chance anytime you waste any time in your life guess what it’s gone yeah so don’t waste it right don’t waste it don’t waste it with sitting listening to radio shows or Internet shows or watching TV that’s a waste don’t waste it with that unless the shows are helping you well yeah yes if they’re helping you if they’re beneficial if it’s Joo podcast man tune in but if you’re sit if if oh yeah reality TV just random Social Media stuff that’s not helping you get any better of course you’re you’re wasting it and you’re not going to get it back sometimes if I miss something or if I am lazy about something that that that pisses me off and at the time I’ll say oh you know I I’ll rationalize some excuses around it and then later I’ll say what is your problem why did you do that and then it’s punishment time then it’s then it’s let’s go get the squad rack it’s time to pay for that yeah I I think and I’m going to put this real bluntly almost to the point of ignorance but I think you value rest way less than a normal person I think I I’m not going to argue with you or it could be that you value the work part of it so much that your rest is quantity-wise less but quality wise might be more yeah and also like for instance I don’t get the opportunity I mean when I travel like for instance when I travel I barely recently I have not had time to do Jiu-Jitsu when I’m traveling so when I’m back here I got to just get it in you know and if I miss it when I’m in San Diego I’m not happy I’m I’m I’m angry at myself and I won’t even let it happen I’m just not going to let it happen even yesterday I was all tired and beat up and I was like okay well go train all tired and beat up because you’re going to miss some days this week so you got to just go get it on work on being weak and lame and getting your getting your game on and I went and rolled with a bunch of people and did what I normally do and you know what by the time you’re in the middle of a rolling it doesn’t matter anymore you’re just dealing with the situation yeah man if you can get to that point where you know how and Jiu-Jitsu is kind of a weird one where it’s really good really really good exercise but it’s really really fun to do yes so it’s like a win-win you don’t like so weightlifting I think is like that but it’s not like that for everybody where it’s like it’s fun to actually do even though sometimes you got to got to build up that you know kind of the the energy or or whatever to or you know motivation whatever to do it it’s still pretty fun but so for most people I would I would argue most people exercise is like work it’s like a chore they benefits and think the more you do it and the better you get at it yeah the more fun it is the more you enjoy it for me it’s a mental break you know it’s a mental break from everything else all you know what I’m going to do I’m going to go pick up this this piece of metal off the ground bunch of times bunch of times yeah and and the point there is if you can get to that state where actually doing the exercise separate from the results actually doing it is is fun you can you can recognize the the the pleasure in it um that’s when you can be on a on a program you know how like I I just got back from kawhai little like a vacation but I still I still rolled I still uh did you know lifted weights and exercise Greg train with went so right um before and I think most people it’s when it’s vacation time they’re off the program and I’m not even saying I’m specifically on a program but it’s just on the Life program yeah on the deal man so if you if you’re into it you know like I I look forward to going training at a new spot there’s a lot of fun to be had there there’s a lot of fun to be having gun and trade the normal spot but if you’re in that mindset where you like the exercise that you’re doing but you’ll do it you go on vacation you’ll do it then I’m looking forward to it yeah there’s no doubt so you don’t fall off having fun when you train is is and enjoying it I guess having fun cuz it’s not like when I’m in the middle of set of cleaning jerks I’m I’m having fun see but that’s kind of what I mean though where um I remember when I used to play football we we test and Olympic lifting so like power clean was one and snatch was one and I remember training for those things if you get kind of good at the technique right Comes Fun you’re there with your friends they’re yelling at you stuff like that so it’s fun fun I guess I was thinking more of like a metcon scenario where you’re wanting to puke per good example and I I’ve got i’ just being Frank with you I’m not always having fun during those sometimes I want to not do it yeah and I still do it but I don’t want to it’s not fun I would say more times than not especially any kind of metcon situation that’s going to be the case so what my My overall point is if you can get to that point where at the very least you can appreciate this that’s happening right now I like I I I find some 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indeed so yeah there you go let’s get to the questions now let’s get to the questions I’m down all right first question Joo do you ever feel burnt out from going Full Tilt several days or several weeks in a row and if so what do you do never no of course um you know burning the candle at both ends eventually it’s going to catch up with you and for me it’s can come in the form of too much travel too much exercise sometimes I’ll just be pressed at work working with a bunch of different companies sometimes I’m writing and I’m trying to get a bunch of writing done sometimes I’m training so much Jiu-Jitsu it’s going crazy so anyways or a lot of times it’s the combination of all these things going on at once cuz I’m trying to get a bunch done in a short amount of time and I end up whatever coming off the coming off the track a little bit coming off the rails a little bit and so what do I do on those kind of days when I’m starting to feel like that well number one I like to force myself to do it anyways that is a reality so if even if I’m if I don’t feel like working out I’ll be like you know what just go do a a quick workout an easy an easier workout or I don’t want to train Jiu-Jitsu we were talking about this earlier don’t really feel like train training going to go train anyways then maybe there’s some form of work that I’m supposed to do I’m just going to go and do the work anyways now if if the next day I still feel like I need a break that’s sort of my red flag to say all right you know what you need a break and you need to take some Town time relax um do some kind of active rest I don’t really like just kind of sitting around I’ll do something kind of active and probably eat some steaks plural trying to eat something really good trying to eat just try you know I might I might eat something really good like stakes and maybe sleep take an extra nap try and feel better do some kind of stretching to try and feel better just recover just recover so yes I’m not super human like anybody else sometimes I get broken down beaten up and I need some downtime and that’s what I do I try and rest relax and eat some good food yeah that’s a good one that I started to incorporate how you were saying um if I don’t feel like it or if if I feel like I’m starting to get burnt out you’ll you’ll it’s like that one last yes thing let me just do it anyway and then I’ll see if I do it you know because sometime like how you say you avoid the situation where you’re just not in the mood if some days you’re just not in the mood but it doesn’t mean you’re burned out out you’re just not in the mood for whatever reason so that’s a good way to kind of weed those days out and um and yeah if you’re still burnt out the next day or even the next day after that then it’s like okay you got to rest um I started doing that and and you’d be surprised what it how many times you’re really not burnt out you’re just not in the mood that’s a b you might not agree with this but if you are like not whether it be burnt out or just tired of you know you’re you just you’re just tired of the grind or whatever and you need a break vacation or whatever what i s what I sometimes do is don’t do like filming for example where there would be times where I would spend like months just filming every week filming editing film like no break and what I do is don’t do any of it and don’t think about it don’t just don’t do it at all and then slowly and you I in my experience I was surprised how quick it came back where you you kind of want to get back to it but then I go like like a week of still not doing it it’s like Jiu-Jitsu if you’re like oh man I’m tired of training every day or whatever you had a tournament or whatever and you’re like man I got to take a break after about probably like three days if you’re a competitor three days you’re like man I want to get back on the mats so what you do is you push that even more so it’s like you’re you’re pushing yourself to be burnt out on the recovery so the only the only medicine for that burnt out of of recovery is to get back into it but that hunger of getting back into it is even more than it normally would be after a normal break that makes sense I guess and I just want to call us both out right now for being total cream puffs I think is what Bob Hoffman said here we are talking about how we get burnt out on working out training filming it’s like Bob Bob Hoffman was you know living in the seeds of mustard G ass floating around and maybe we should just say don’t get burned out just work harder yeah sorry you made me sound real bad they’re filming no I mean really I was like oh I was typing on a computer I’m real burnt out shut up Joo I got a better idea why don’t you just be fired up that you have the opportunity to create something how’s that sound oh you got the opportunity to go train jiujitsu to go get better physically oh I think I’m go ahead and do that I’m not going to sit there and say I’m burn out on training no don’t be burn out if Bob Hoffman’s not burnout on the front lines of World War I I don’t think we have an excuse to be burnout on the pleasurable things we get to do in life let’s suck it up and just drive on I’m changing my answer how’s that all right there you go next question Joo hi guys how about Judo as a martial art compared to Jiu-Jitsu Judo is a great martial art and Jiu-Jitsu is actually rooted in Judo and I guess originally Judo was rooted in Jiu-Jitsu and there’s some connections I mean maida from Japan he taught Judo to Carlos Gracie in Brazil which was then learned by Alo Gracie who then morphed it into what we consider now to be Brazilian or Gracie Jiu-Jitsu but you can see clearly if you look at Judo that Jiu-Jitsu exists inside I mean Brazilian jiu-jitsu exists inside of Judo there’s no doubt about it but there are some things about Judo that have morphed it into a different direction number one in Judo if you throw somebody and anything touch the ground before their feet you win automatically you can also pin people in Judo if you hold them down for I think 20 seconds then the match is over and you win both of those so what that does is now you can imagine if you get thrown okay you win if you’re on the ground with your back down for 20 seconds you win so what does that do it eliminates a part of fighting that is very important and in there are really two pieces of Judo one of them is called randori which is basically rolling and the other one is naaza which is groundwork and those two are directly correlated or part of Jiu-Jitsu but Jiu-Jitsu bottom line in both these if you don’t know anything about these two Jiu-Jitsu allows the fight to go on even after you get thrown and it allows the fight you can’t there’s no pinning in Jiu-Jitsu you are allowed to fight and continue to fight until the match is over and you can recover from being pinned just like you can recover from being thrown and it doesn’t really matter I mean today we were training today and we got some good Judo players keing was you know you Judo Keeling yeah and he he tossed he tossed Andy Big Andy and I mean because he’s better at Judo and he tossed him and it was legit then Andy ended up getting out of that position and getting in a better position right and so the fight wasn’t over just because he got thrown right and so that’s that’s one of the big benefits of jiujitsu is that you will learned better ground game and but Judo you will definitely have better takedowns so I mean a judo player is going to have better takedowns to the Jiu-Jitsu player and I’ll tell you if we’re just going to start ranking things you got to throw wrestling out there because wrestling has possibly better takedowns than Judo I mean with the ghee sure Judo has a has an advantage but if you don’t know this in 2010 they actually banned the double Leg Takedown from judo competitions in the whole world right why because wrestlers came and started double legging people Bo boom just hitting double legs so yes I would say Judo is an awesome martial art it really in some ways could be considered the precursor to Brazilian jiu-jitsu even though Judo itself is comes from actual Japanese Jiu-Jitsu but I would say if you’re going to if you got the opportunity to learn Judo yeah learn it learn especially you know learn the takedowns and those are great things to have in real life they’re great things to have in in self-defense situations to be able to take someone down with judo throws is awesome in Jiu-Jitsu competitions if you’re a judo player in Jiu-Jitsu competitions you’re going to you’re going to get the takedown with when it’s a ghee competition unless you’re going against a really good wrestler so good thing to augment Jiu-Jitsu with but I would say you would want to make Jiu-Jitsu your main focus agreed uh the yeah so a lot of times when you learn Jiu-Jitsu some a lot of especially nowadays a lot of guys avoid the the takeown elements so they know ground game is Just vast but the takeown element so you get a lot of people pulling guard which just means pulling a guy down on top of you y That’s What pulling guard which is a crazy thing to do in a real fight yeah but but man if you’re good enough for sure you can totally do it that’s what’s crazy about it no even if you’re really good at it like you don’t want to be pulling people on top of you in a street fight compared to being able to take them down compared to being it’s not close yeah no brainer yeah not even close so what I like about I mean wrestling I think is more I mean arguably more more Dynamic of a of a thing because it’s all these different situations even on top of just the takedown part but man Judo I feel like it takes a little less energy and it can kind of keep you in positionally it can keep you in safe areas when you’re standing up cuz you know like these weird positions where you’re on balance and that guy’s off balance or you you’re controlling the guy’s weight when you’re standing up and um so I learned like a sign I took Judo when I was young for for a little bit and that’s weird I never would have guessed that for real yeah yeah for a little bit anyway and then but as an adult I learned a a little bit of Judo um from from Terry so could je she has a judo background um and man he was showing me stuff he’s like hey wrestlers will do this and he’d kind of show they grab your head NE and and he’s like and here’s what you do as a judo guy and he it’s an elaborate thing he taught me but it’s like dang these are real useful things for Jiu-Jitsu even aside from the takedown part of it and then going to the takedown part of it if you know the takedowns solid even if you know like three or four really good ones and you’re really good at them that’ll change your whole approach and your whole outlook on Jiu-Jitsu so okay and here here’s an example let’s say you go into I don’t know you know a party or everyday thing where you could could find yourself in a situation where you got to you got to get in a fight or defend yourself or your friend or whatever if you know takedowns especially takedowns where you don’t have to like Risk like doing a double leg in a real situation it’s kind of an All or Nothing situation you know you can’t just it’s not like this gradual escalating of force with a double I see what you’re saying I see what you’re going with with Judo it’s you can be much more subtle with your takedown with varying levels of of force you know with the with the Judo situation so if and if you’re good at that man when you get into this these situations it’s like no Factor you’re not worried about it at all compared to like you don’t know takedowns but your Jiu-Jitsu sick you’re like now I got to get this thing to the ground and it’s like that’s going to be a pain in the ass once we get there I’m fine but just that one little crossover from standing or no fight to fight is like yeah it kind of can provide some anxiety for you but if you know that Judo whatever yep the I guess the overall point is learn that Judo very useful Lear that wrestling and that’s not to mention when the other guy knows it you know what to do too yeah you know cuz otherwise she’s just getting tossed keing tossed me the other day funny yeah it’s and sometimes it can be funny and fun cuz you know they can toss you and you land on your back and stuff like that but man so you land on your head or something something crazy there is there is some validity to the ipon in that if you were in a street fight and you got thrown and land and the person put you down in a bad way I mean you’re still it’s it’s like it’s not like you’re going to get knocked out 100% of the time probably not even 50% of the time but there is a there is a chance that getting thrown ion style in a street fight could be I mean you go go pull up some Judo videos of people getting tossed Ione style even in the in the high levels some of those guys if they landed on the street they would be injured not all the time and you do learn to you learn to fall in Judo you learn how to break your fall but yeah some of those would be devastating if they happened to you in the street so that’s why ipone does have some validity to it that if you toss someone super hard and they land it on their back or on their head on the street on conrete they would be severely they would be it could be a fight Ender but but it’s not going to be a fight Ender that’s the problem it’s not going to be a fight Ender it’s possible that it ends a fight just like uh a left hook is possibly a fight Ender but it’s not guaranteed to end a fight I’ll tell you a guaranteed fight Ender rear naked choke rear naked choke will end a fight yeah and if I’ll tell you and knowing some Judo and especially knowing some Judo moves that I feel like I’m pretty solid at if you do it against a guy who doesn’t really know that much Judo oh yeah it’s your choice whether you want to put him on his head or his back it’s your choice so if if that’s the other guy’s choice that you’re fighting with or competing against or whatever then that’s his choice not yours so that’s the reason to at least know for sure you should know for sure I yes learn Judo y learn wrestling learn Jiu-Jitsu Jiu-Jitsu is the most complicated learn it first spend the most time on it learn to strike too Muay Thai boxing saying this for the millionth time said it once said it again although I I actually do sometimes leave Judo out not intentionally but just I just do yeah I personally like Judo better wrestling I like it personally I like it better than wrestling because when I was started learn wrestling with um back with I’m to sick GRE Greg train on you he come and get you why tell him this too but this I’m not saying I dislike wrestling I’m just saying I like Judo better because when like I said when you shoot a double or a single or something and he stuffs it yeah you’re in a bad you’re a bad a worse situation than if you go for you know some you know Sayan Nagi or something and you don’t get well he’s on your back but you know what I mean though a failed Judo throw you have way less of a price to pay typically do you usually have less of a price to pay on a judo throw than you do on a wrestling takedown understood course it depends but yes generally speaking in my experience that’s why and I’ll I’ll I’ll give that to you with like a like a small percentage of agreement not a full yeah I mean it’s not that black and white for sure that’s because you look at Greco guys Greco Roman wrestlers now they’re not grabbing your leg now they’re not shooting on you anymore and believe me you’re getting tossed you train with a good Greco guy they’re not grabbing your legs at all they’re not even shooting yeah but they are throwing you right and they don’t have to grab the ghe to do it so Greco that’s you know greo is awesome yeah y agree um and then also the Judo thing it tends to in my experience um take less out of you you know yeah it’s it’s it’s a less it’s somewhere in between Jiu-Jitsu and wrestling is the exertion yeah generally lot of generalities please don’t uh go crazy because of some generalities that Echo made yeah all right um wait are we good there you have any more to add I have nothing further to add keep training everything you can yeah I like the Judo thumbs up for the Judo though for sure question number three what’s your recommendation for an employee that is late to work who usually is late but they’re usually a good performer so being late is unacceptable and I I I tell this whenever I working with a company and they start talking about you know this guy’s late for meeting sometimes I always tell them that I was in the military for 20 years and I was literally never late I was literally never late one time yeah think about that 20 years never late never late good never late any time for anything we would you know we would show up at work in the morning so early that even if the worst case scenario my I got T-boned on the way to work I would still be able to get insurance get everything covered get a cab and still show up and be an hour early so you should be you’re right in the fact that being on time is definitely very very important so people shouldn’t be late so now with this individual you got someone that’s showing up late for work you got it like any other leadership challenge what I would attack is making sure they understand why why is it important some people never make the connection as to why being on time is important so you got to explain to them why it’s important you got to explain to them it’s basic respect for other people’s time that it’s basic operational readiness is to follow a timeline that it’s about being prepared that it’s about showing your reliability and your professionalism to to other people that you’re working with inside and outside of your company and even sunu sunu and I I didn’t say this during the during the podcast that we did about sunsu and I can’t believe I didn’t say it because I always believe in waking up early and being early and sunu said that he who is waiting on the battlefield is going to win and who he is rushing late to the battlefield is going to lose well that’s the way your life is too and if you’re rushing and your things are disorganized and you’re running late it’s horrible but if you wake up early and you show up early and you’re ready and you’re prepared and you’re waiting on the battlefield you’re going to win that’s all there is to it so those are the important things that you have to explain to your employee that they so that they understand why being late isn’t unacceptable and why being on time is the standard that needs to be maintained some people it’s a horrible habit that some people have of being late it’s a horrible habit yeah you don’t want to get into it it just just unreliability yeah um I was one of those people I used to work in the nightclub um in here San Diego downtown um for a while too for like seven years and unlike you I feel like I feel like I don’t know I don’t I didn’t gaug it or another but it feels like I was late at the very least one minute late you know you have a shift right you it starts at whatever time either 1 minute late or 10 minutes late I feel like I was more I was late more times than I was on time I feel like right so my dad was always late I come from a long line of late guys so to speak but nonetheless um but I was this guy I was the guy was a good performer I felt like I mean according to my bosses and stuff and I would you know I I’d do well other than the time thing I was pretty reliable um very reliable in the nightclub industry so and I’d always justify it like man all this time I would you know take to be prepared to get there and find parking and all this stuff um I could be doing something else in my life or whatever not necessarily useful stuff but just something else why do I have to work while I’m not working you know like preparing for work I don’t know that was kind of my attitude as long as I have good output as long as my job is being done it’s fine so when I stopped the you know when I was done with the nightclub um industry Jade my brother would um he explained it to me where and the the the thing that I that really kind of hit me was being late is a a blatant dis regard and a blatant display of disrespect to the person or people who are waiting for you no doubt about it to their time which is time is like when you really think about it it’s the most valuable thing you have so even if you’re talking about one minute or you’re talking about one hour you are wasting that person’s time if you have a meeting or something right you could you show up 5 minutes late people are waiting for you to start the meeting that’s five minutes gone where you know we still have to go over that material so we’re going to spend an extra five minutes just because you were late cuz you failed to prepare every everyone else was there on time and you’re the one doing it you know so and then also I learned through uh I want to say it was a book I read I forget where but um where one of the two major thing main things that ensure your success or will get in the way of your success is reliability being reliable so and and one day I went to the store right and my wife sends me in this shopping spre she says get this kind of tomatoes like canned tomatoes but it was like this specific kind you ever try to go chop for caned tomatoes bro there’s like this one and this one this one and I’m like I’m just going to either just grab one anyone cuz I can’t find this one or I’m not going to get them at all I’m just going to go home and be like you get the tomatoes if you I don’t even want whatever it is you’re making with thing so I’m I’m getting frustrated on the inside like like down the line of frustrating things that I’ve told myself all the way to the point of this isn’t my job to do this it is my job by the way but this isn’t my job I don’t want Tomatoes why should I even why am I even chopping right now why are you telling this story I’m making a point and in my opinion it’s a very it’s a very important point so if I do that if I’m like you know what Screwed I’m not getting the tomatoes or I’m just going to go ahead and settle for the wrong one I’ve demonstrated and basically proclaimed that I am unreliable so why would anyone come to me for anything who’s to say I’m G to be reliable about it and sure you might be reliable in some things but you’ve demonstrated that you can and will be unreliable under certain circumstances and those circumstances are dictated by by you so who knows really you’re not going to get hired no you’re not you might not even be a somebody’s friend when you think about it or husband husband or whatever you know yeah definitely it shows lack of being on time shows a total disrespect for other people’s time and it shows was a lack of reliability on your part so these are the kind of things you got to explain to your subordinates or explain to this person that’s being constantly late so that they understand why you’re telling them that and then they can then they can improve and then you could you know if the person’s a good performer generally that means they’re the type of person that care about how they’re perceived and doing a good job so let’s get them to understand how being late affects everybody else and affects their own reputation as as a perform yeah so it’ll mean something to him plus you’ll be a come through guy Everyone likes the come through guy the guy who comes through I’m sure they liked you for coming in on time every single day for 20 years I’ll tell you they did they did next question okay you stated in Prior podcast that you are grateful for an understanding wife who allowed you to treat your seal career as a number one priority do you believe that marriage and children should bring about a reprioritization of your life given that marriage now brings another person on your life a partner but also someone who relies on you and especially children who heavily rely on you how did you reconcile still treating the seals as the number one priority both a wife and children you brought willing to willingly into your life was there a point that despite having an understanding wife that you should have made a the decision to end the seal career early because of people you have a new found responsibility for do you ably a responsibility greater than the responsibility for your career so this one this is something that can be hard for people to understand but yes the SEAL Teams was my number one priority over my family over my wife over my kids over my own life over everything and just FYI I literally told my wife that before we got married multiple times on the way to the chapel or to the San Diego Courthouse to get married on the way there on the bridge driving from Coronado to San Diego I said Hey listen I just want to give you one last chance being a seal is not just what I do it’s who I am and you are not going to change me so don’t think that I’m going to change and she was like oh I know I know what you are you still want to do this yes let’s go do it and what was good was to her credit she didn’t try and challenge that she didn’t try and fight that she gave that to me she understood it and that’s probably one of the reasons why we stayed married for so long and a lot I mean to SEAL Teams if you don’t know this has about a 90% divorce rate it’s an astronomical divorce rate and the reason a lot of it is because the guys are so dedicated to the SEAL Teams that everything else starts taking a a second a backseat now I think that my wife actually saw that I was loyal and I was dedicated to the SEAL Teams and therefore she saw that as something that was positive and something that would transfer over to other parts of my life including my family now to answer more on this guy’s question I want to think about this being a seal the best thing I could do for my family was be dedicated to my job it was the best thing I could do for the other seals I worked with it was the best thing I could do for myself and for my family was to be the best seal possible why because we’re going into combat and if I want to come home alive to my family and I want my brothers to come home alive to their fam is the best thing we could possibly do for for our families is to be totally dedicated to job so that we’re ready we’re prepared and we can bring each other back so I that’s the way it is and I would stand by that to this day and it actually does transfer in many cases to normal civilian careers because being hardworking and being dedicated your job generally is going to translate to being more successful in your job and if you’re more successful in your job you have more financial stability right if you have more financial stability I mean how many fights in families take place because of finances I mean I think that’s probably the leading cause of problems in families is there’s a there’s Financial strain and so I I think that it does translate somewhat to people in their normal careers even if they’re not sealed if they’re not preparing for war that they’re trying to do a good job they’re being dedicated to their jobs so that they can perform better and have more stability in their lives and by the way when you work harder you get rewarded more it also eventually translates into more freedom because you move into a leadership position maybe you go into a situation where you’re no longer working for somebody directly and they’re over you and they’re demanding now all of a sudden you get a little bit more freedom you can you can dictate what happens in your life more so that’s important as well and also in on top of all that guess what the way you act and the way you care yourself you are actually teaching your family and your children something now if you’re a warrior if you’re a military guy if you’re then you’re your children guess what Warriors have been going away to war for thousands and thousands and thousands of years and people have have been just fine from that the men have been raised by their moms because their dad was gone away to war that’s the way it is so I think that that’s okay it doesn’t mean that the the warrior doesn’t love his family he does but he’s got a job to do and he’s going to go do it and also if again if you apply that to a normal civilian situation if you’re children see that you are dedicated that you are hardworking that you are uh loyal that’s a positive example that you’re setting for your kids now of course they shouldn’t be thinking and I never came home to my kids and said hey look you’re number two on the list of priorities around here right now I might have said listen I’ve got a job to do I’ve got guys that are depending on me we’re going to combat bad things can happen I need to be ready and I need to be ready for my guys and I need to be ready for you and I so I don’t think you need to throw it in people’s face and say no you’re the number two priority but your family should understand that you’re working hard for them you’re building their future You’re Building you’re you’re building a legacy for your family that’s what you’re doing when you’re working hard at any job so I think that’s a good I think that’s a good example to set and I think that there’s nothing wrong with that example now where people can go too far which of course they can they can do it in the military they can do it in their civilian career where the job becomes not just the short-term um priority because I will say this my long-term priority was my family right that was the long-term priority I mean I had these you know my wife and kids I’m going to raise them I’m going they’re going to be with me forever that’s that’s what I’m doing with my life so the long-term priority is definitely the family but the short-term priority and by shortterm I’m talking years right two years five years three years that’s a long that’s a shortterm priority compared to your family which is going to be with you until you die and so I think you need to keep that in mind and make sure that you’re not sacrificing things long term in other words if you’re going to destroy your marriage because you’re working so hard you got problems if you’re going to destroy your marriage because you’re dedicated too much to your job that’s not that’s not supporting the long-term strategy of taking care of your family yeah so that’s sort of where I come out on that and again tons of credit to my to my wife and my kids who were you know I was gone all the time and they dealt with it and guess what I’m gone a lot too now I’m traveling all the time and again they all know that hey I’d love to be staying home with them but I’ve got to take care of the family I’ve got to support the family I’ve got to maintain my situation so that I can take care of them if something bad were to happen yeah and I think they understand that yeah and that’s a I I think that’s a big component where you know your wife and your kids they do understand and I’m assuming I mean given you know what I know about you guys is that that you’re you’re pretty clear through what you say and what you do that you are supporting them and they are part of your you know cuz some people let’s say I don’t know just this this is a hypothetical situation but let’s say a cop right or detective he’s real into his job he’s frustrated with the job and this goes for any job he comes home he’s frustrated because whatever works stuff he comes home but he’s not dedicated to his relationship or his family that much so he allows the frustrations of work to carry over carry over he takes it out on his wife cuz she said you know do the dishes you forgot whatever she and then he’s even more mad because he’s frustrated with work like that kind of thing where you know he kind of in the back of his mind he regards his family as something that should I don’t know serve him while he does his you know real lot in life which is be an amazing Detective you know so I think a lot of times there’s that and then on top of it the the family wife will just say the the wife um has these expectations that are not clear not not correct put it that way you know where you know you should be home at a certain time oh you know you shouldn’t be working late that was the worst where your family that’s the worst is like I’m not coming home like oh I’m done with work in the seag teams oh I’m done with work but I’m going to the bar with the guys I’ll be home at midnight or 1:00 in the morning or 2:00 in the morning and guess what my wife actually understood that she actually understood that hey these guys are a team these guys are a family of their own right and I got to let him go and develop and hang out with his friends because he’s got to know these guys better than anybody in the world yeah see and that’s that’s a that’s a hard thing for uh for some people to handle yeah and that one you got to be careful with Navy Seals to to me yeah that’s it’s absolutely true and legitimate but some guys might use that as like an excuse just to not have to come home and wash dishes you know of course yeah then they’re then they’re wrong right right so you know kind of be careful with that one like um you know I don’t know a sales guy he closes a deal and guys want to celebrate you know meanwhile it’s I don’t know Mother’s Day or something I don’t know something or something or Thursday you need that you know um and you know the I don’t think it’s unreasonable for wives to have certain expectations especially if you don’t address them like you know you don’t communicate or whatever like you have expectation you have you have an expectation for your husband to come home after work you do so if he just doesn’t show up all of a sudden you know I mean you’re I’m assuming you’re you’re going to tell your wife hey I’m not going to this is why just like are you saying you’re going to explain yeah everything but some guys they’re like I’m the man I I don’t have to come home right now if I don’t want to which is kind of true but you’re in a relation ship you’re in a team especially yeah and and really I would say one thing that’s awesome about my wife is I would say oh yeah sorry I didn’t come home I was going out with the boys yeah and she was independent enough and secure enough and confident enough that she was like oh okay whatever hey I’m going to do this most of the time yeah there was sometimes flowers were bought things were things were rebuilt uh you know cuz you know it’s uh it’s life right yeah and no one’s going to be like 100% focused on that um you know that situation or the the the um you know your go how you say you you said I’m a Navy SEAL don’t you know don’t change me or whatever she that’s not going to be on the front of her mind 100% of the time she has she’s a person you know and you people always think they can change you yeah and even if they know ultimately they can’t they still for a day they might you know and you can go back you know back and forth so yeah it’s not going to go perfect but as long just like how you’re saying you communicated that early and she is a strong enough person to be like understand that and understand the value of that throughout the whole process then you know then you’re going to have success with that kind of thing but it depends on how good you communicate it and how willing the girl your wife or husband or whatever the situation is um depends on how good they can receive it and and go through it you know cuz some people are needy man yeah and you know a lot of military I’ve been talking to a lot of military people that listen to the podcast um spouses and service members and so yeah guess what give your service member some room to form those bonds to be dedicated to that job because they are truly doing it for you they really are they’re doing it for you and now service members as Ekko just said don’t abuse the privilege yeah don’t abuse it do what you got to do be the best you can be at your job bond with your brothers in arms that you’re going on the battlefield with whether you’re a cop whether you’re a firefighter build those bonds but of course don’t abuse it and make sure you take care of your family too yeah Joo can you lead those that don’t want to be led if so how the beauty of that question is in its Simplicity and the answer is yes and no you can’t lead them in the traditional sense you have to be indirect again there’s our word you have to be indirect meaning you can’t say hey you need to do this or hey I order you to do that you need to be indirect and the best way to do that with people that do not want to be led is to let them lead put the put them in a leadership role say hey you know what you’re really good at this I think you got a good Vision here can can you run this can you lead this and then once they’re in a leadership role then you can make suggestions and you can subtly steer them as they lead but an important point is that you actually have to be ready to let them lead you can’t just be like oh I want you to run this and then all of a sudden you go all level seven micromanagement on people you have to let them lead you have to let it go let them go now you do need to make sure that they’re being safe you know or make sure that they’re being profitable make sure they’re not doing anything illegal or egregious in what they’re doing but you have to let them lead you have to let them make decisions and so that that is my first suggestion is to put them in a leadership role now if there’s no way to put them in a leadership role then let them lead their little part of the mission whatever that is let them tell you how they are going to do things and again you can make little course Corrections along the way but you need to let them lead now one of the hardest parts of both these situations is guess what your ego because guess what you want to be the leader you are offended by someone that doesn’t want to be led you’re like why aren’t they listening to me I awesome I am the leader I’m in charge I outrank them why aren’t they listening to me all those are little insecurities that you have about your own leadership capabilities don’t let it happen I was never offended by subordinates that I had that wanted to lead more that wanted my job I wanted them to want to have my job I wanted them to be able to take my job from me that’s what I wanted if they’re doing that good I can look upwards and outwards and I can focus on other things good come and take my job be good enough to take my job and if I ever said to myself I can’t believe this guy’s trying to step up and take my job I realized oh my God I’m being secure I need to put my own ego in check cuz you know what if they can step up and do my job good I’ll step up and do the next person’s job so when somebody below you doesn’t want to be led let them lead and be happy that they want to lead give them that leadership that’s what you do with people that don’t want to be led I just thought of a riddle kind of joke what kind of actually I didn’t think of it I kind of got it from Twitter then made it made it into a joke okay what what kind of steak does Joo eat riy flank steak oh I like it can’t take credit I got that from I like it good job Twitter that’s awesome good good solid question though yeah that’s one you hear a lot yeah yeah and I said I said that obviously Joe but um that’s kind of like leading by way of flank right so it’s like you don’t lead them directly how you would like traditionally or whatever um you’re kind of letting them lead but you allowing them to lead it’s you are flanking them I mean the people that are like this these are people that are either have a big ego or maybe they they know more than you maybe they are more experienced than you maybe they really do know more than you right and they’re bummed or angry because they you’ve been promoted above them y so now what am I going to do I’m going to be a jerk that’s what I’m going to do and so you know I’m not going to support your plan and I’m not going to do what you tell me to do and I’m going to have my own way of doing things that’s what’s going to happen so don’t let that happen all you got to do is say Hey listen man really respect what you’ve done you’ve been doing you’ve been doing this longer than I have you know what can you can you run with this can you plan this can you execute this that’d be awesome mhm and then they go oh okay y now do they think oh that’s right he’s an idiot he doesn’t know what he’s doing no not when you do it right not when you say Hey you have more experience than me I would really like you to lead this instead of me how’s that sound you can only pull that off if you’re secure in your own leadership yeah it’s the way it works interesting flank them flank flank style of leadership next question Joo your podcast listeners and Twitter followers know you’re before five daily meaning you’re up before five uh work out essentially every day and are devoted uh devoted student of Jiu-Jitsu what relationship do you see between physical fitness and empowering the Mind SL will when a man commits really commits to changing his Fitness what else changes well you heard Bob Hoffman talk about this a bunch tonight in his book Bob Hoffman wrote the book The I remember the last war and he wrote the book how to be strong healthy and happy and there’s no doubt that physical fitness is going to help you in every fast of life especially in terms of what you’re talking about empowering the mind and the will working out is a test of will right I mean it is going to see can you push yourself harder can you get the last rep can you shave another second off the Sprint can you lift a little bit heavier that’s that’s what working out is it’s a test of Will and that test of Will and you’ve heard me say this before starts before the workout starts it starts when the alarm goes off can you get out of bed in the morning these are all little tests of discipline and of Will and as we’ve talked about before discipline begets more discipline the stronger you get the stronger you get in physical will that it takes to get through these workouts that it get takes to get out of bed in the morning that carries over to mental will so you can eat better food so you can get work done so you can control your temper see you can create things and improve things and you can be better now I remember a while ago speaking of Twitter I posted a picture of early morning workout got done and then I posted a picture of a little the post surf session and then I posted a picture of post jiujitsu session and you know so these were all like three posts in a row MH and someone made some kind of a comment that was kind of along the lines of oh must be rough right must be a rough life you know you’re getting up you’re just surfing and doing jiu-jitsu and and honestly when I saw that when someone wrote that I kind of felt bad I kind of felt guilty in a way because here I am I’m going surfing I’m working out I’m training Jiu-Jitsu I’m kind of living the dream or in fact in my mind I actually am living my dream doing what I want to do when I want to do it and and then there’s other people out there that are grinding that are either overseas that are in combat that are working that are doing jobs that they don’t like they’re working with people that they can’t stand in a cubicle somewhere or whatever is that doing in here I was almost I felt like damn I’m rubbing this in people’s faces and I and I actually felt bad and I was like yeah I can’t be doing that again and someone else on Twitter came on the same thread or whatever and said discipline equals Freedom they they quoted me and they were right they made a great point the reason I’m able to go surfing and do Jiu-Jitsu and work out and do whatever is because of discipline throughout my life and again I’m not making no claims right now to be the ultimate success story I’m certainly not and I will tell you this you know I live in a great place right now there was a time where my wife and I wanted to live down by the beach we bought a house down by the beach a dump that was barely livable and it was 850 Square ft and we had three kids in there and my wife and I our bedroom our bed when you open the front door to the house and walked into the living room our bed was on the floor right there for a few years we we just lived there and now we live in a great house but I have to remind people like you know what there was a time where I just was sucking it up and living on Navy pay and we squeezed into this house and borrowed a bunch of money and lived on the floor in the living room but we had that discipline back then and then the discipline eventually becomes a form of freedom and so it wasn’t always like this where I was just chilling and surfing and doing Jiu-Jitsu and playing guitar and whatever you know there was a lot of Blood Sweat and Tears along the way and I and and by the way the Blood Sweat and Tears along the way I actually enjoyed I enjoyed I wouldn’t trade it I’m glad that I was put in those situations to do those things and most importantly this is available to anybody that that life that you want is out there and it might be a few years in the future but it’s there and you can get to it and the path the path getting there starts early in the morning and it ends late at night and it requires sacrifice and discipline and it requires force of will and that comes at 4:30 in the morning when the alarm goes off that’s when it comes so get up and go get it and that’s why I think that the idea of physical fitness empowering the mind and the will I think that’s what happens when you commit to those things I think the rest of your life will reflect positively on what you’ve done and go guess what I’ve been real lucky too you know I’ve been very lucky long the way and I won’t I won’t say that uh you know I made everything Happ happen myself I got lucky I was blessed in a lot of situations and had good things happen I mean for instance the housing market crashed and I was in the Navy it didn’t matter to me I mean I had a couple houses and I was like oh I I didn’t even notice there was a housing market crash until I was buying more houses and they were cheaper you know it it but it wasn’t that was luck yeah didn’t plan that it was might have been a long-term strategy hey I want to buy houses but you know a lot of people got caught upside down in some rough situations in the housing market and I was lucky in the fact that I hadn’t overextended myself again maybe that’s partial luck partial strategy but that’s a situation again I’m just trying to point out that I know I’ve been lucky in in in some of it um but let’s make our luck with some hard work for sure yeah just you pointing that out that you got lucky you know and you recognizing it some people a lot of people they don’t like they don’t want to recognize all the factors you know they it’s just easy to blame something else for what didn’t happen and then blame not blame but take credit yourself for something that does happen good you know so you’re you’re over here recognizing everything kind of the good which is part of your discipline way of being um back to your your your Twitter post situation that was that was good that was Heavy that was good right there I thought um and I know thinking about that someone who posted must be U must be rough right like a sarcastic obviously that was just a fun thing they weren’t being a jerk I think they were um so so let’s just get that out of the way yeah and and it hit you actually in a in a good way some people might be like hey I work for this stuff don’t say that you know take it the wrong way whatever but you didn’t you took it in the opposite way which is says yet again more about you and your approach so that being said let me add this little part to it where um when you look at those Twitter posts like that Twitter post right you have your you know the the aftermath of your workout your you know go look at or Instagram whatever look at every single day of your posts every single day you’ll see 4:34 wake up you know workout 43 every single day and then step one step back and look at all of them all at once that’s just the clear picture of your discipline of your you know doing it every single day cuz like okay I understand I can wake up at 4:34 tomorrow if I want to and I’ll get a workout in and I’ll be like look at me I’m Joo and then go surfing go do Jiu-Jitsu and eat flank stick but if you expect me to do that every single day and I’m not used to it and and I do it that’s saying a lot more and you do that so there’s your picture that’s what it is of course don’t focus on just that little narrow view of oh how cool it was that he got to do Jiu-Jitsu surf all day Cruz look at the big picture and that picture just like I youed said discipline equals Freedom there it is there’s your picture right there right there on Twitter yeah that was cool that uh that was cool that somebody actually had to point that out to me when I read it I was like damn they they’re making a very good point yeah yeah but man that’s like the perfect example in my opinion that discipline equals Freedom it’s like within that picture of Freedom all you see is discipline all over it M starting with the 4:34 in the morning and you know I tell you if I would have had more discipline throughout my life I’d be in an even better situation than I am right now like I look back and say man what did I do this for what I do that for and that’s one thing that as now when people talk to me and ask me questions I’m trying to tell them what mistakes I made things that I did wrong things that I did that were stupid so that they can say oh okay cuz the opportunities are out there you know the opportunities are out there to make good things happen in your life but you’re going to have they’re not going to they’re not going to show up at your doorstep they’re not coming to your doorstep I’m going go ahead and tell everybody that right now you have to go out and make them happen yeah you have to go out and take them because they’re not going to come knocking on your door the good deal is not coming to your door not happening so crazy how obvious that sounds you know that OB like you saying that I’m not going to be like hey I never realized that I thought they were going to come to my doorstep but it’s almost like most people I don’t say most people but it it’s almost like people don’t really understand that that’s true because you have like people who watch just TV like if you w you can you remember lost remember that lost I never watched it okay yeah I watched a few episodes but I remember people were just really into that and they’re like talking about loss in the characters cuz that was a confusing show is why why I use that um and they’re talking about this like they know all the details and they’re trying to figure this out and over like Seasons upon seasons of loss and they know that like bro you know what you could have been doing with all that mental energy and and the time that it takes to watch all this you could have been doing a lot and that lost example is just one of many examples of what we all do I think well it’s very fitting that it’s called lost because you lost a bunch of time and a bunch of opportunity in your life yeah unless I mean there’s things that could be so inspiring I guess some artwork or some art form or some film or movie or show that could be so inspiring to you but if it’s not inspiring to you it’s not if it’s not forcing you to get out and make something more of yourself or create something more then it’s probably not worth your while to be quite honest with you right and and again the the whole you know loss situation I mean if that hey everyone’s different I know but when you’re watching TV which is just I think a huge one that that people waste their time on I mean I can get some inspiration from TV with Cinema stuff because I’m in video but I think that I would argue that that’s not why most people watch TV that’s not why they’re watching uh Keeping Up with the Kardashians I’ll tell you that so I’m not familiar with this it’s a show on TV nonetheless um people don’t act like that that’s true that opportunity is not going to just come knocking on your door well it goes back to what we were talking about earlier today are you going to let are you gonna you only have so much time right you only have so much time and if you miss a workout if you miss a moment with your family if you whatever you’re missing is it worth it yeah you’re letting it go away you only got that day is only going to go by one time you only got one shot at today what do you can do with it yeah do something good yeah it’s just yeah it’s just so interest interesting how again this is like nothing new you know but I I feel like we’re a lot of us Act act like that that’s simply not true is’t that weird though yeah it is cuz it’s such a big you know you have a lot long time on this Earth if you if you just sit back and go day to day then wasting a few hours watching a TV program maybe doesn’t seem like a big deal when you add all those hours up and you subtract them from the actual time that you’ve got here man don’t let it go to waste true don’t do it one of the guys on Lost was named Mr Ekko by the way H I think he died though I don’t know I wish you wouldn’t have given me that information from my head you wasted space in my head I like Echo actual all right we’ll stick with that then all right um I think the last one yeah I think we got time for one more okay Joo I lost my little brother who died in a random medical accident he was someone that I always looked after how do you deal with grief and loss of men in your command someone asked me a similar question that the other day something along the lines of how can it be good when you lose a loved one and that’s definitely a a tough question and I almost replied no it isn’t good there’s nothing good in death and and then I started to remember the people I’ve lost throughout my life the memories of them the experiences the fun their unique personalities and everything they’d given me not only in their life but in their death what their life taught me and what their death taught me the mark the mark they had left on me and I realized I realized that even in death even in death there is good first of all I was lucky to have that person in my life even if it was only for a short time too short of a time but at least I got that those Unforgettable moments those precious moments at least I got those and I got to experience those times to know the beauty of their personality their attitude their outlook on the world they were all unique and I’m thankful for the opportunity that I had to interact with them even if it was just for a short amount of time and now comes death death is horrible and death is wretched and death is cruel and death isn’t fair and I don’t know why the best people seem to get taken from us first but the fact is death is inescapable there is no way out and death in that death is part of life and like the contrast between the darkness and the light without death then there is no life and the people that I’ve lost they taught me that they taught me how precious life is how blessed we are to have every day to learn and to grow and to laugh and to live to live to live every day with purpose and with passion to wake up in the morning and be thankful thankful for that morning and thankful for the opportunity to go out into the world and live to live for them for those that don’t have the opportunity for those that were stolen away by death’s cruel hand for them I will live I will cherish their memory and I will live so let’s cry no more let’s mourn no more let’s remember but let’s not dwell instead let’s laugh and let’s love and let’s Embrace and cherish everything that life is and every opportunity it gives us live and I think that’s all I’ve got for tonight remembering the ones we have lost by embracing the ones we still have so to everyone out there thank you for embracing us and listening to what we have to say and supporting what we are doing Eko what’s the best way to support the podcast well the best ways U shop it on it on it com get 10% off um and that’s a way to support yourself as well supplement ation the good kind well we haven’t really talked that much about on it recently but I mean in any kind of depth but nonetheless it’s dope shroom Tech alpab brain Warrior bar and whatever 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