the when you what you mentioned about bravery this how you were talking with sam harris about it where bravery is only present if you are scared of something because if you’re not scared of it you’re not being brave to overcome anything or to go you know to do any kind of activity that’s you know that you’re scared of so the very although I don’t know if I necessarily agree with that because there’s guys that are you know he says you never seen anyone that’s not not afraid I think some pretty cool I mean it’s almost the word uses are crazy guys that are just so brave and you look at him and they you big eagle this guy’s gonna sky I had guys with me you know in my task unit and some of those guys were so brave that I didn’t think they were gonna make it home and is it because they were like it’s like they they weren’t scared to die at all like you didn’t yeah and and you see the almost a lack of self-preservation right you know not not stupid not not suicidal but like oh this guy doesn’t think he can be killed you know we were talking about that on the last podcast I forget the name of the major that was on the beach landing at taro I think and he’s up and he’s like hey look they can’t hit me come on yeah I’ve seen guys do that yeah so as far as actual bravery goes though so would you consider that um like let’s say k2 guys are going to go go do some let’s say an MMA fight right and one guys just really scared of competing in front of people it’s his first flight of them like that then you have this other guy who’s not who just feels different same exact situation but you have fired up he’s not scared at all and they both go into it did they both exercise the same bravery yeah I don’t know you know yeah and I don’t know if it matters yeah for one thing I can tell you the guy that’s acting like he’s not scared probably the one that’s more scared yes whenever they flex right and I actually see that combat through guys that are overly like bravado are probably more scared and and again there’s nothing wrong with that I’m not holding it against them but you know I’ve seen guys sitting in briefs to go out on operations that you can tell are petrified yeah usually it’s a guy that’s not used to it maybe maybe someone that’s visiting in an area of operations and shows up and so we’re going to take you on an operation and you get to see them they’re very scared because they’re not used to it all the guys from my task unit you know they might be scared but they’re confident they know what they’re doing right there they’ve put that fear aside over and over again so it’s not that big of a deal but you see a guy dealing with that fear for the first time yeah and especially stands out because you’ve got a bunch of confident guys that that know that understand that understand the risks so you can see their faces then you see like that guys come in from another area and it’s going to go out an operation and and they’re they’re tapping their toes during the brief and they’re looking around yeah and they got overcome that fear and if they stay there for a few weeks they’ll they’ll get used to it too yeah so it could kind of be looked at as just just the act itself whatever act if it’s understood and being yeah Sam Harris’s point was that it doesn’t matter if there’s a machine-gun nest and you’re horrified to go charge it and I’m not and we both go charge it it you just had to pretend that you weren’t scared it doesn’t matter you were still being brave right right and and I didn’t have to pretend but I’m being brave so it doesn’t matter what under pretending or not you’re brave if you go right and or maybe just to overcome or do something that’s understood generally as being scary it’s not guarantee just Garak you you’re still being different brave you are but yeah I say and I guess in a real black-and-white terms it’s like if you’re not scared of this activity you’re doing and you do it you’re not scared of it then you’re not being brave is not just in generally speaking like no to your example skydivers yeah skydivers were five jeomsun up right they’re not scared anymore yeah I mean I know even when I had done like you know 50 jumps you’re not really scared anymore right you’re just doing it and guys it has thousands jumping on scare at all that’s what they do right so they’re not being brave they’re just doing their job they’re just doing their thing yeah so what if some guys jumping out for the first time and he’s scared and he overcomes that fear and jumps out he is being brave yeah all right so there yeah that’s kind of a point yeah so if I go outside and check the mail I’m not being brave no you’re not through it but what if there’s like a tiger or something out there and I really raised that now it’s pretty brave right Tigers going after Tigers yeah yeah yeah you’re right
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