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the jurgen experience floyd's undefeated too but he's not the greatest boxer of all times right it's arguable he is it's arguable he is i don't think so this is man i feel like he is he's my favorite he's been hit hard maybe four times this whole [ __ ] car right you stop and think about how many fights he fought against great elite guys not just great defense like the best defense of all time yeah you're talking about a guy who's fought everybody he fought everybody he fought canelo he fought pacquiao maybe he didn't fight pacquiao when he was in his prime and maybe [ __ ] canelo when he was young and made him cut extra weight he did smart [ __ ] but at the end of the day being a fighter though right yeah at the end of the day the [ __ ] guy is 50 and 50 well 49 and conor mcgregor that's what he is that's what i say this is 49 yeah because it's kind of weird yeah it's kind of weird somebody like sugar ray robinson you know sugar ray robin is different yeah that's you know different time different time right yeah yeah but yeah he lost uh he flossed 15 i think sugar ray robertson had somewhere in the neighborhood of 90 plus victories before his first defeat though what is like how many what's his first something his first defeat was the wasn't it the jack lamanna jake lamanna jake how old was he i think he i think he beat him in the decision in the first fight and then robinson beat the [ __ ] out of him in the second fight no no no no really sugar ray robin they fought six times they fought six times and uh robertson knocked him out robinson fought him uh beat him at the first first time and i think in the rematch is when uh when uh lamada knocked him out knocked him out i don't remember that and then and then the sixth fight uh he tko'd jake uh um yeah but it was a standing tko yeah and he never you know he never got
knocked off of his feet right that you know and he was you know talking [ __ ] uh well you stopped me but you didn't never i never never put me down yeah that was a that was the saint valentine's day massacre right yeah yeah when he went through the ropes and he was he's like leaning just getting yeah just getting pounded on the ropes yeah that guy had a ridiculous chin crazy eating shots like that from sugar ray robinson yeah wasn't that at middleweight two and robinson really started off at 147. yeah i think it was lighter i think he started even lighter it was 40. 44 his record sugar ray robinson sugar ray robertson his record's like 200 and almost 200 fights crazy that's crazy 250 something like that how come we can't get that many fights to mma oh it's more than that well in boxing his 200th fight was a hunt well look at that 173 1986 against joey archer um that's his 200th fight go go back into his uh first loss or go back to the jake lamoni fights you got to go way back stop um those are all win win win win win jake lamanna so he beat him at 36-00 and he lost uh unanimous decision yeah that was right 40 and then he beat him again unanimous decision so he lost unanimous decision to jake lamotta and then he beat everybody else up into a jaw a draw with jose barossa basaro rather so he made it to 40 you know yeah i thought it was a lot more than that so his 40 his 41st fight he lost that was his first loss and it was a decision at jake lamanna i guess floyd really is a goat i think he's the goat you know it's a different era here's the thing it's like you know when you look at mike tyson when he was in we just had this conversation yesterday on the podcast but i think mike tyson in his prime when he knocked out larry holmes when he was
when he starched marvis frazier like when he was just smashing everybody i think he had reached this level that you can only maintain for a certain amount of years you know whether like i think the same thing you could say before fedor when he was was in his prime when he was running things in pride yeah there's a level that you could reach that you can only maintain for a certain amount of years and it's real hard because i think this is what i said yesterday i think if muhammad ali had been in the same era as mike tyson he would have been better because mike tyson was around you you get better dependent upon who's around you and the when you're in an era you're kind of defined by your competition ali was defined by joe frazier and defined by joe for george foreman and and all the guys that he fought ken norton all those guys that he fought in his era but there's it's a different era with tyson it's a different area you're also forgetting that he beat yeah you know floyd uh floyd patterson uh you know it's like before you know like all the fights that he had before he you know came back you know but those just weren't competitive right you know he was so fast he hit so hard you know beating sonny liston you know something listens you know he was a murderer back then yeah he's freaking killer yeah it's like he destroyed floyd patterson twice yeah twice in the first round right he was he could you couldn't he couldn't get hit by him you just couldn't get hit by him yeah he had giant [ __ ] hands you know a guy that was close close to the mafia you know he's like and uh yep so he beat all those guys you know it's like and yep you know it's like so maybe if he doesn't have that three years off you know maybe maybe yeah maybe who knows but he did and it's also he was a different cultural figure right because when you look at like his impact on
society and civilization he stood for something right he was a guy who was like i'm not going and fighting this [ __ ] war it doesn't make any sense they took his title away from him and the people loved him yeah it was it's a different well is it different about 50 of the population hated him right and then fifty percent of the population loved him and thought he was the greatest thing ever yeah and you know it's like i ain't going over there to fight any viet cong they didn't do anything to me it's like uh you know it he's a very very interesting you know figure and then you got somebody like uh you know joe frazier you know you know very very good fighter you know won the olympic gold medal was an alternate going into the olympics and uh and the alternate you know i forget what happened over there uh you know he ended up not fighting joe fought he won the olympic gold medal they they actually rematched uh as pros and then joe stopped in my fourth or fifth round wow and uh you know he was a beast you know and then george foreman you know it's like that's a guy that didn't ever put on a pair of gloves until he was i think 19 years old right that's crazy you know it's like 19 years old think about that there's just not that many guys that have you know it's never put on a pair of gloves until they're 19 years old and then get to that level well that's the deante wilder story too you know is it yeah dante wilder boxed for a year and a half before he won a bronze medal in the olympics okay uh george foreman george foreman won the gold medal in the 70s you know when it's like when it was even i think harder you know to win the gold medal because you because of the cubans and the russians you know it's like they because they they never went pro and stuff like that you had that right uh phil stevenson right um and so it's like i think it was a 76 olympics that he won the gold medal and he was like 24 fights as an amateur
that's all the fights he had never lost that's nuts and it's like you know just crazy uh he fought just 20 times as an amateur before traveling to mexico city for the 1988 1968 olympic games amazing you know and never lost and then so that it's like think about that you know this guy's walking through guys like joe frazier and then he fights uh older muhammad ali and you know and then gets you know knocked out in the eighth you know it's like crazy you know he believed that he was invincible you know he you know arguably the hardest hitter ever yeah you know it's like you know what would have happened to mike tyson we might not have known who mike tyson was if he would have been around in in those days you know who knows or mike tyson would have smashed him yeah you just don't know he was faster than everybody the thing about mike tyson as a as a knockout fighter if you watch like the marvis fraser fighter i don't watch faster than muhammad ali though i don't think he was faster um muhammad's feet were so fast because i don't think he was faster you got to think back to you know when he fought sonny liston when he thought floyd you got to think about different how his feet were then but the three years afterwards i think he was faster than when when he fought like when he came back do you think that mike tyson was faster than that version of yeah i agree with that i agree with that yeah that's what i'm saying yeah but ali was a different animal like no one had been around before him there was a heavyweight that moved like that they didn't exist well andy no probably the best chin ever oh amazing he wasn't that heavy for a heavyweight though right no no he fought he he the olympic gold medal he won was cruiserweight was it yeah he didn't fight with heavyweight uh i mean yeah he moved up to heavyweight for when he turned pro who was the english guy that knocked him down and they cut his george uh george no um yes
george was it george yeah it was george george um trying to remember he was uh a british gentleman who had a really good left hook and he caught him with a left hook and yeah and had him in all kinds of trouble and uh then they they there was a tear in his glove tear on his glove george starts with an h if i remember right well he had a small little rip and uh his corner uh you know what's his trainer's name tore the grove a little bit yeah they tried to find a pair of gloves and it halted the action of the fight for about five minutes and it gave muhammad ali time to clear his head and then they resumed the fight they never found another pair of gloves to put on on him in the middle of the rounds think about this this is like wasn't it henry something yeah henry henry you're right cornering henry cooper there it is there it is in the corner yeah it was good cornering and it's like and then he went out there and he stopped him yeah yeah he stopped him on cuts and i don't remember if it was the next round or the following round yeah you know but he cut really really easy they said they had uh his skin they just get bumped see if he can find that fight when henry cooper drops him because it's crazy he hurts he's but he's like but he he looks dead his ass hits and he pops back up you know it's like but it's like when joe frazier when joe frazier dropped him you know it's like his ass hit and and he pops right back up he's crazy looks dead his chin was incredible catch new episodes of the joe rogan experience for free only on spotify watch back catalog jre videos on spotify including clips easily seamlessly switch between video and audio experience on spotify you can listen to the jre in the background while using other apps and can download episodes to save on data cost all for free spotify is absolutely free you don't
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