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the jurogan experience i watched uh restrepo last night because of what's going on in afghanistan do you do you know restrepo sebastian younger's uh film on afghanistan yeah just sort of um just put it in perspective like what's going on over there now and um it's you know i mean books are amazing for putting things into perspective but there's something about a documentary especially a boots on the ground documentary by a journalist like sebastian younger and in afghanistan while afghanistan is falling to the taliban so it feels so it's so intense when you're watching it and you see you know guys in the beginning of the film that wind up dying and it's uh first of all i i forgot like i think you you have a sense of what they mean when they talk about these mountainous areas this mountainous terrain that's impossible really to control because it's very difficult to traverse very difficult to get around i don't think you really understand it until you watch that film until you really see the mountains and you're like oh god like how is anybody ever going to control this area like no wonder why the soviets failed no wonder why we failed no wonder why you know the people that live there they just they're living in an incredibly difficult environment in terms of like just getting around yeah i remember some statistics about like 99 of people in afghanistan know it's not like brian cowan afghanistan uh uh iran iran yeah i never know how to say it i remember like 99 of them didn't know 9 11 happened so like they're completely disconnected from the world even that's so crazy that like even things that seem relevant too did you watch the videos today of people trying to climb aboard planes and
falling to their deaths the planes are taken off these guys are hanging onto the landing gear and as the landing gear pulls up they're falling to their death trying to save themselves yes trying to leave with the americans it's [ __ ] crazy just the chaos at the airport is cr you haven't seen any of this i haven't seen i i actually have not been paying attention jamie show him some of the the videos because it's it's heartbreaking yeah these are people just literally climbing all over these ladders doing whatever they can trying to force themselves onto these planes and but the really [ __ ] one is like look these guys hanging on the landing gear watch this like falling to his death it's [ __ ] yeah and look at this i mean [ __ ] crazy all these guys trying to stop the plane so they can get on board i mean this is just a tremendous failure it's so heartbreaking yeah but what do you do what could be done differently right that's the real question like could have uh could they have designed uh a better withdrawal plan that scaled over time where they gave uh particularly the people that helped the american military over there that they're very vulnerable right now and they're they're in a lot of trouble could they have protected them better could they have done something could they have designed a plan that's what most people who are criticizing this believe the people that actually understand what's going on over there they think this idea of pulling out immediately yeah but half the world is living under authoritarian regimes so the question is how do you help those people how do you help you had a nice sophisticated deep historical conversation with andrew schultz about north korea but outs are you being sarcastic that's a little bit of sarcasm there i i love
him he's hilarious and i'm just joking he is hilarious but he was uh he was going hard to paint yeah a little bit but he's but like how do you help he's having fun well the the the crit the one sort of uh sophisticated criticism there was well what the hell do you do about it right what do you do about north korea well what and there's a lot of places like that and north korea is probably the worst or one of the worst but there's a lot of places where the leader the government is abusing its people what do you do about it the uh the whole cryptocurrency bitcoin people say maybe you can change the money you can give people power by like one of the ways government controls its people is the monetary system so you can like swap out try to give people power through the money that's one way that's interesting uh the obviously the old school way is military uh and or also maybe economic pressures but then it becomes it becomes difficult because you're taking on that project and then you get the thing that you get in afghanistan and you know it's a project that takes 10 years it takes 20 years and then ultimately it's not successful so the afghanistan situation is so crazy because uh you know biden was on television just a little while ago talking about how there's 300 000 armed afghanistan soldiers that were trained by the united states and there's only 75 000 taliban there's no way that they're going to fall but they never fought they just gave up like instantly yeah right you know it's like the whole situation is very confusing to someone who doesn't understand it if you're if you're a guy who fought over there too it's got to be insanely frustrating people spilled blood over there people lost limbs over there and then they're seeing how quickly we just pulled out an abandoned ship like what what was what was that for well we got into that war under false
pretenses we stayed without much transparency about why we're staying how many 20 [ __ ] years yeah without without a clear plan for the future and then we pulled out without a clear transparent plan yeah hey what but i don't know what lesson to draw from that except that we should never gone in in the first place that's that's the only sort of solid set of arguments you can have because and like why that place you know it's the people that argue is all about oil and all those kinds of things and minerals and minerals all sorts of natural resources right natural gas like afghanistan is a it's a rich suppository of lithium i believe too right yeah natural but then what about iraq like what does that have to do with anything and so you start you start questioning the whole operation the whole process of making decisions about foreign policy in the military conflicts you know what lesson do you draw from that when there's places like north korea when there's many people in in africa suffering there's many regimes that are abusing its people there then then there's people that criticize russia uh for for for certain things in terms of from an authoritarian regime perspective and then the big one is china and then what do you do about that and then i i mean i do find the libertarian argument here the most sophisticated and convincing is we should stay out of other people's business until we have a really clear good plan and you know the majority of americans uh given a transparent communication of what is going on and what we're going to do majority of americans uh are behind this plan otherwise stay out of it unless you have you know that you know when you have like uh something like a nazi germany where there's obvious atrocities uh happening where there's an obvious war on the horizon then that's different but everything well if that's the case and why aren't we invading north korea
if wyoming park and all these different people that have escaped from north korea are telling the truth that there's a holocaust going on there right now i mean they're they're literally starving their people they're putting their people in concentration camps they're having children born in concentration camps for the crimes of their grandparents and their children will also be born in these camps in these prison camps they're starving their people they execute them for you know almost no reason they do whatever they want to them they have full and total complete control over them well the dark answer and the reason is because there's no way to do anything about north korea without also doing something about china yeah and that's that's why we turn a blind eye to north korea because um i mean that's a deeply i mean a war with north korea or invasion of north korea is an invasion of china watch the entire episode for free only on spotify