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The Joe Rogan Experience Garrett vandenbush said this is going to become a pandemic of variance and he talked about immune escape and that has been very controversial but did you explain that to people sure what he argued and let's just say could you explain who he is too sure he is a uh immunobiologist he is training his Veterinary he has training in the relevant area of vaccination technology he was a guest on Dark Horse people can look up my discussion with him it is many people regard it as a very good way to understand what he's saying because often he speaks about matters that are quite technical in any way I did my best in that podcast to to make it non-technical so that people could understand it in any case what he argued was that the fact of these vaccines being very narrowly targeted right these vaccines contain a single subunit of a single protein and they're being deployed in a way that is unusual they're being deployed into an active pandemic right when we immunize against something like measles the expectation is you will develop your full immunity with almost no chance of encountering measles right in this case what we have are vaccines that are leaky in which they do not provide full sterilizing immunity they are narrow and we are effectively creating an intense evolutionary pressure to cause the spike protein of which this one subunit is what is contained with the information for it is contained in the vaccines we are putting intense evolutionary pressure on it to change so that the antibodies and other immune cell recognition mechanisms that are trained by the vaccines are incapable of finding the pathogen when it gets in this is what causes breakthrough cases that the immunity that's been created is evaded by the pathogen and if the pathogen changes that is more likely and so what he said was if you vaccinate into an active pandemic with vaccines like this what you will get is a evolutionary pressure for a radiation of variants an evolutionary radiation of different molecular signatures changes in the spike protein that will then cause the vaccines to be less and less effective at producing
immunity which is exactly what we see so he predicted this absolutely he did predict accurately accurate accurately predicted it now is every component of his model correct that's a much harder question to answer but what I would say is any time somebody succeeds in predicting better than the so-called experts you want to know how they did it and he was making absolute evolutionary sense right his concerns were very well honed and he was making sense and then the world that he predicted emerged and it is now incumbent on us to say okay have we learned anything from this right do the vaccines need to be modified such that they don't produce this effect there are conceivable ways you could do that right but if we don't do it if we just say well more of the same have a booster of the same thing it's not going to solve the problem so in effect what I would say is these vaccines are a spectacular achievement but they are a prototype right they have achieved something that had never been done before technologically that's remarkable but they were not ready for prime time and they have failed to produce lasting immunity they have produced very narrow immunity it does not compare to the natural immunity that people get from having had and beaten the disease and what's more we have learned an awful lot about how the disease can be managed so it's much less lethal right that combination suggests that we need a rethinking of our approach and you know it is impossible to prove but based on what people who have successfully treated the disease and have successfully predicted events like the proliferation of variants are telling us it does seem that we now have the tools at our disposal to manage this crisis and do away with it which I don't know why we don't do that but it is at least worth noting that were we to successfully manage it it would interrupt a huge flow of Revenue into this brand new Pharma Market is that the reason that we don't do it I don't know but we the public need to recognize our interests are not being served by the public health apparatus it is making errors that it doesn't need to make and that
that um has implications for all of our individual health and our Collective well-being that require a rethink watch the entire episode for free only on Spotify