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the jurogan experience i remember the first day that uh i was at twitter um the at the time uh the most popular person on twitter was justin bieber he had more followers than any other person you know was that when you guys were trying to rig it so that he wasn't uh trending number one always because they did do that right i don't remember that no i was oh i don't remember conveniently jamie and i were talking about that one day because they had to do something because if they didn't do something justin bieber would be the number one topic every day no matter what was happening in the world i can believe that they wanted to change that because the pro the problem was at the time twitter was held together with like you know bubble gum and like dental floss or whatever you know so it's like every time bieber would tweet like you know the lights would dim and like the buildings like kind of shake a little bit you know here it goes so they block me from trending this is 2010. i'm actually honored not even matt he's also 12. then i get on and see yet again my fans are unstoppable love you okay but okay so there's you know people talk about like invisible labor like the invisible labor behind that tweet is just kind of comical because it's like when he did that you know people like you know it's like my first day there you know it's like he he tweeted something and you know the building's like kind of shaking and like alarms are going off people are like scrambling around you know and it was just this you know it's like this realization where you're just like never in my life did i think that anything justin bieber did would like really affect me in any like deep way you know and here i am just like scrambling around to like facilitate what are your thoughts on curating what trends and what doesn't trend and whether or not social media should have any sort of obligation in terms of
how things whether or not people see things like shadow banning and things along those lines like i i'm very torn on this stuff because i i i think that things should just be and if you have a situation where justin bieber is the most popular thing on the internet that's just what it is it is what it is but i also get it i get how you would say well this is going to [ __ ] up our whole program like what we're trying to do with this thing what do you mean [ __ ] up our whole program well what you're trying to do with twitter i mean i would assume what you're trying to do is give people a place where they could share important information and you know have people you know i mean twitter has been used successfully to overturn governments i mean there's there's twitter has been used to break news on very important events and alert people to danger and there's there's so many positive things about twitter and if if it's overwhelmed by justin bieber and justin bieber fan accounts and justin bieber if it's overwhelmed then the top 10 things that are trending are all nonsense i could see how someone would think we're going to do a good thing by suppressing that yeah i see what you're saying why do you think they did suppress that what do you think you worked there why do you think they kept him from trending um well i mean i don't know about that specific situation i mean i think i think you know looking at the larger picture right like um in a way you know it's like if you think about like 20 years ago whenever anybody talked about like society you know um everyone would always say like the problem is the media it's like the media man you know if only we could change the media and a lot of people in who were interested in like a better and brighter future
were really focused on self-publishing their whole conferences about a great underground publishing conference now the allied media conference people were writing zines uh people were you know getting their own printing presses uh people you know we were convinced that if we um made publishing more equitable if everybody had the equal ability to like produce and consume content that the world would change and in some ways like what we have today is like the fantasy of you know those dreams from 20 years ago but in a couple ways you know like uh one you know it was it was it was the dream that if you know a cop kill some random person in the suburbs of st louis that like everyone would know about it you know just um do you know everyone knows um and also that anybody could share their weird ideas about the world you know and i think in some ways um we were wrong you know that we thought uh like you know the what we got today is like yeah like if a cop killed somebody in in the suburbs of saint louis like everybody knows about it i think we overestimated how much that would matter uh and i think we also believed that the things that everyone would be sharing were like our weird ideas about the world and instead we got like you know flat earth and uh like you know uh anti-vaxx and like you know stuff right uh and so it's like in a sense like i'm glad that those things exist because they're like they're sort of what we wanted you know uh but i think what we did what we underestimated is like how uh important the medium is like the medium is the message kind of thing and that like what we were doing at the time of like you know writing zines and sharing information we i don't think we understood how much that was predicated on like actually
building community and like relationships with each other and that like just um like what we didn't want was just like more channels on the television and that's sort of what we got you know and so i think you know it's like everyone is like on youtube trying to monetize their content whatever you know and that it's the same thing like bad business models produce like bad technology and bad outcomes and so i think there's concern about that but i think um i think like you know now that there's there's like you know these two simultaneous truths that everyone seems to believe that are in contradiction with each other you know like one is that like um everything is relative uh everyone is entitled to their own opinion all opinions are equally valid and two like um our democracy is impossible without a shared understanding of what is true and what is false the information that we share needs to be verified by our most trusted institutions like people seem to simultaneously believe both of these things and yeah um they're in direct contradiction with each other um and so in some ways i think most of the questions about you know social media and our time are about like trying to resolve those contradictions and but i think you know um i think it's way more complicated than the way uh that the social media companies are trying to portray it catch new episodes of the joe rogan experience for free only on spotify watch back catalog jre videos on spotify including clips easily seamlessly switch between video and audio experience on spotify you can listen to the jre in the background while using other apps and can download episodes to save on data cost all for free spotify is absolutely free you don't have to have a premium account to watch new jre episodes you just need to search for the jre on your spotify app go to spotify now
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