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The Joe Rogan Experience some people do and that's the real fear some people like this guy who's advocating for a digital God like they do know where it's going because they actually work in technology it's not freaking them out but it's like Columbus you know like everybody thought the world was flat he got a couple of people to get on a boat and fly and we didn't know what that was going to mean see if we could find where Elon talks about this part because that that was the most fascinating the reason uh opening eye exists at all this is what he said earlier but it's gonna change I used to be close friends and I would stay at his house in Palo Alto and I would talk to him these are the people that are at the Pinnacle of Technology AI safety uh seriously enough um and um what did he say about it he really seemed to be um sort of digital super intelligence basically digital God if you will uh as soon as possible um he wanted that yes he's made many public statements over the years uh that that the whole goal of Google is uh what's called AGI artificial general intelligence or artificial super intelligence you know and I agree with him that the there's great potential for good um but there's also potential for bad and so if if you've got some um radical new technology you want to try to take a set of actions that maximize probably it will do good a minimize probably will do bad things yes it can't just be Health leather to just go you know barreling forward and you know hope for the best and then at one point uh I said well what about you know we're going to make sure humanity is okay here um and and uh uh and then he called me a speciesist [Laughter] yes and there were Witnesses the other I wasn't the only one there when you called me a specialist and so I was like okay that's it uh I've yes I'm a speciesist okay you got me yeah I'm fully specialist um busted so um that was his last rule at the time uh how Wild is that it is wild but these
are the people that are in control of this thing and I think there's also this race that's going on there's all these different companies around the world that are trying to develop artificial general intelligence first because I think having it first if you have a digital God first you have a massive Advantage right over everyone and everything right yeah I mean if you think that tech companies have a lot of power now imagine if tech companies unleash a digital God I mean they literally might be the very seeds that created God I really believe that now the Digital Universe is probably the most sought after God you know most people probably spend more time uh advocating for whatever they're seeing online anywhere sure than they do for their church or their their you know that I think that already exists people like Elon see that and it should there should be a race for it I I don't see it as you know everything everything can have a really dark bad side and we can't control it so I think even talking about it the way you're talking about it is scary and I don't know that it's uh can I scare you with this let's scare me with this this is about 60 Minutes last night they did a whole piece oh that's right this I saw this play the one AI program spoke in a foreign language it was never trained to know this mysterious Behavior called emergent properties has been happening where AI unexpectedly teaches itself a new skill take a minute and he says something yeah I think is pretty this is bananas this is this is called emergent properties some AI systems are teaching themselves skills that they weren't expected to have how this happens is not well understood for example one Google AI program adapted on its own after it was prompted in the language of Bangladesh which it was not trained to know we discovered that with very few amounts of prompting in Bengali you can now translate all of Bengali so now all of a sudden we now have a research effort where we're now trying to get to a thousand languages there is an aspect of this which we call all of us in the field call it as a black box you know
you don't fully understand and you can't quite tell why it said this or why it got wrong we have some ideas and our ability to understand this gets better over time but that's where the state of the art is you don't fully understand how it works and yet you've turned it loose on society yeah let me put it this way I don't think we fully understand how a human mind works either was it from that black box we wondered this is out there talking about earlier what else are they saying here uh that's like wrote a poem and they're asking why did I write that way but why does that scare you guys so much why does it listen it's alive it's not whether or not it's scary it's a it's a kind of life form but here's the thing I am really fearful of humanity I'm really afraid of us let's hope that's not afraid of us too decides to get rid of us but or make us better or you know it and that's a 50 50. and I would like to you know I have a enough negativity and I'm not talking it's not about me but going on in my mind where if I don't know and I'm assuming that it is a higher power than me not not God but it is a higher power than me that maybe for whatever reason let's trust that it is a benefit and not a deter you know not something that's horrible well I certainly hope what you just played for me didn't scare me it doesn't scare me the fact that it it is artificial intelligence what is intelligence just by virtue of what it is so it's learning things that we can't explain it's intelligence that's what intelligence is I think we're using this word in a weird way the word scared because I don't think that it's scared like I'm scared of wolves it's not that kind of scared it's scared like that will be totally sweet I realize where this is going and it might not even but you didn't describe a good place well it's not a good place for us but maybe it's a good price place for the universe you invest in Bitcoin I've got some Bitcoin okay so you're I think but that's not what I'm thinking about I'm thinking about maybe this is what happens with intelligence everywhere that maybe intelligence realize there's limitations to biology and biological evolution is very time consuming it takes a long time and it to to get adaptation for things to change it takes
decades it takes centuries it takes thousands of years but this could happen in weeks and hours and minutes and especially if it knows how to make a better version and you don't think that's scary what you just you keep saying scary I do it's just the thing that's happening and um I think but you have children yeah so you will continue to exist but I feel like this was inevitable just like it's you ever see you know there's inevitable things that happen in nature that we don't want to admit you you don't want to say they're scary they're they're just inevitable