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The Joe Rogan Experience what sharking is people think of pool shark as being someone who's like really good at pool that's not what we call sharking sharking for the people that don't know is like if you're about to shoot and I moved and distracted you on purpose like I wait until you write about this to move and I'll drop my cue yeah or I'll spill a drink I'll make some noise like people do things on purpose to try to distract people yep that happens a lot that's especially gambling that's some [ __ ] [ __ ] yep isn't it oh yeah they tried all the time too but it's some [ __ ] [ __ ] when someone does that that's [ __ ] ass [ __ ] like what are you doing just play oh there's a lot of moves even when it comes to Pro players too is there like what uh I don't know I don't really want to mention names but no you don't have to mention names so I was playing the guy a long race last year and uh for example everybody knows like uh if you if you win a cyber plane I'll raise to 100 and every every day we're playing on Race to 33. so I I ended up winning day one and I should be the one breaking the balls next day so uh I come in and we're about to begin and he's like are we lagging again so I'm like uh no bro it's my break so there was a lot of a lot of different moves like we used to we agreed to play with one magic wreck and he ended up stealing the magic wreck and then we were on the break and I broke the balls make four balls on the break and I had that I was dead out and he's like are you practicing or what are you doing I'm like no we're playing I just asked you a minute ago are you ready to start and he's like I didn't say anything uh I was thinking you're you're Pricks I'm like no this is a professional who did this yeah I think you should say his name everybody rhyme with huh what does his name rhyme with rhyme with what does it rhyme with like uh Bogan rhymes with Rogan uh everybody rhymes with Dillard everybody will understand he was he was a Filipino oh okay so so he was well you know they're probably gambling a lot of money right uh we played for 20 grand yeah yeah yeah a big chunk of money yeah big chunk of
money and people get they get a little feisty yeah yeah um in gambling do you think that people take drugs when they Gamble uh yeah absolutely look at you like yeah yeah what do you think they play what do they think they take Adderall um uh amphetamines yeah because you can see if you go to Derby City Classic you'll see people play for two three days straight really without any breaks that's a heart attack special right there oh yeah it is it is and they play some crazy games like these aren't the healthiest people in the world either that are taking this Adderall and staying up for days like there are [ __ ] they're burning it oh yeah it's unbelievable they play some crazy ass games like 15 ball band game where you just it's an old it's an old man game where you just kind of clip the balls and you're just banging balls around for like 50 minutes so it's a bank game yeah 15 balls yeah but there is a lot of moving part like you just play safety safety safety until you have a good bank shot yeah and then after 50 minutes of playing safeties you have a bank shot most likely you're gonna miss it and then it goes over and over and over and they do it for like days and days so adderall's the big one it is a big one uh uh I'm sure people play on cocaine uh I would think cocaine would be a problem I've never done cocaine but from what I understand it doesn't last that long no but they they're taking breaks and I've seen one time I've seen the guy was using cocaine instead of uh the powder for his Q what that's an expensive powder right there yeah he was putting cocaine on his fingers yeah and then doing like oh my God yeah yeah cocaine for baby powder oh my God that's insane but he was he was [ __ ] up like completely was he playing well he was playing decent I mean he's a decent player I don't know his name but uh he was a just an action junkie well like I said about that book uh buddy hall I think it's uh from rags to Riflemen is the name of the book I have a copy of it and it's a very old book and the way it was made it looks like it was self-published like the font would be different sizes on
different pages it's a rare book you can still find it like sometimes on AZ Billiards someone has a copy of it for sale but it's pretty valuable now but they all played on amphetamines and they would all play for days and days and days but it [ __ ] a lot of people's lives up oh of course because they all got addicted to that stuff of course yeah I mean I've played a lot of matches that lasted more than 10 hours and for me it's it's really really tough because I never do anything like that and I drink water and maybe I'll drink Pepsi if I feel then I need some energy some sugar so uh yeah of course it gives them big advantage and match it like that well there's so many Filipinos came over here and robbed everybody it was uh amazing and the best version of that is Efren when Ephron first came over here he had a fake name oh really yeah yeah yeah Efren when he first came over here God damn it what was his name it was like a Spanish name see if you can find it so he played his very first tournament under a fake name because he is God I can't believe I can't remember it generally I can remember it but he played under a fake name because even though it was like the 1980s he assumed that someone had been to the Philippines and knew that this guy was the king over there and then can you find it I'm looking a lot the efren's just Google Google Efrin played under a fake name Susan Morales Caesar Morales that's it so that was his name so he came over here under Caesar Morales and robbed everybody and then uh when he came back he was Efren Reyes and everybody's like oh we got [ __ ] there it is Cesar Morales stuns the field at Reds wow and this was back when he was playing with a five dollar pool cue it does look like him but I don't think it is because Dennis is uh quite a bit older yeah younger younger rather than that guy but that was in Houston and what year is that 85 1985. yeah so he came out stuns the field they [ __ ] came over here and [ __ ] everybody up they had no idea that he would go on to be the greatest of all time Wade crane Wade crane was a bad [ __ ] Dave Matlock look at all these guys
yeah Mike guliasi wow interesting Bobby Hunter Danny deliberto all those names yeah Wade crane also had a a fake name he called himself Billy Johnson yeah Billy Johnson was Wade Crane's Road name well when the internet wasn't around there was a big thing I think yeah well that was his he would go around playing as Billy Johnson because everybody had heard of Wade Crane and so he would just show up places and you know people had no idea and then he would Rob him it's perfect yeah well there was a great book uh called playing off the rail have you ever heard of that book playing off the rail was a book by this guy David McCumber who at one point in time was Hunter S Thompson's editor when he was writing for a newspaper um and wait and uh they took this guy Tony anigone who was a really good Pro and they went on the road with like thirty five thousand dollars so like like taped the money to his body and [ __ ] in some places and they they did it for a book the book is still available you can still find the book somewhere it's it's well worth it if you're a pool player if you're into pool to get this book because it's really David McCumber is a really good writer it's really well written and Tony anigone uh became a friend of mine and I actually did commentary with him once on a match back in La back in the day and I became friends with them and played with them a bunch of times and uh tragically think about a year and a half or so ago he took his own life he jumped off the Golden Gate Bridge yeah very sad but in that book they went to Chelsea Billiards they went to all these different places where they they hustled and they just set up matches and set up games and played people but it just gives you this kind of taste especially because McCumber is such a good writer it gives you this feeling this really interested interesting like depiction of what that life is like these guys that do things like that like you know Wade crane did when he called himself Billy Johnson like that is a whole subset of Americana where these guys would travel around stay in shitty hotels and gamble yeah I mean it's it's kind of the same picture nowadays too yeah there's still a lot of that oh yeah
yeah a lot it's it's [ __ ] cool you know it's a it's a really cool part of like this subculture that people don't know about and I've always admired people who did it I always I always thought that was a cool way to live your life it's a crazy Reckless but the people that did it they were such [ __ ] characters they were such interesting people yeah I mean all of them it's it's a crazy lifestyle I don't know if I would recommend it to my kids but no but it's uh I mean yeah maybe you would if if pool becomes something really big you know if pool does grow to the point where there's million dollar purses absolutely but not the gambling side you know I went through I went through a lot of a lot of that and uh it's Shady did you ever get in a situation where people pulled out guns or people were robbing people no but my friend did in Philippines what happened once well he beat the god of a small amount of money and uh the guy didn't want to pay him and he was he wasn't even like pushing him to pay it was like 100 bucks uh but uh he was the only foreign in the in the building and he had the guy with him that took care of him and kind of made games for him and that guy started saying something in Tagalog in Philippines in their own language and the guy pulled his gun and like started shooting in in the air like trying to say that I'm not playing here he was like an authority or something for a hundred bucks I mean I just want to do for 51 000 gambling junkies yeah that's the thing gambling junkies it's not about the money for him right and there's so many of those guys that are connected to underworld characters there's all these you know wild gamblers that are they're almost all at least one step removed from criminals yeah yeah if they're not criminals themselves they might have a criminal who's a backer yeah I mean there is a lot of drug money involved I think in the in gambling oh yeah oh yeah there was always guys that were backing people back in my day when I was hanging around New York where there were there were just these guys that were drug addicts or drug dealers they were selling Coke yeah and they had
that money and that was how they burned the money they would come in and gamble it yeah do the same thing tomorrow yeah I remember one time we went to Harlem to play this guy because these pimps they would have a ton of money and they would play Big Money one pocket and so we went down to Harlem and here I am this dorky fresh I was your age I was like dude that's hanging around in Harlem in this like [ __ ] heavy duty like like hardcore pool room where these pimps would go and gamble big money and they'd come in with flashy clothes on and it was just such a scene man it was such a scene it was so cool it was just so well just to sit there I mean I wasn't playing those guys I sucked but I was with my friend Johnny and this guy Mount Vernon Tommy who was like a real top player from the area and they were all and this guy Juan who's also this killer and they would we would all go down together we'd take this drive down together to Harlem and at the time the garbage workers were on strike so all the garbage was stacked outside so when they would take garbage out to the curb nobody would throw the garbage out so there was six foot high piles of garbage that lined the whole street not bullshitting so you'd walk down the sidewalk and rats would be everywhere I mean everywhere you'd see the garbage bags moving they would scramble in front of your feet I'm like oh my God like I grew up in the suburbs of Newton Massachusetts right that's where I went to high school and I was in this like very nice you know upper middle class neighborhoods fresh face little cute kid and I'm wandering around with these degenerate gamblers in a a pool hall in Harlem filled with pimps wow but I got out of there and I wouldn't trade those experiences for the world because they were so it was so interesting to see that the subculture of these gamblers and pool players and all they cared about was like who's the killer like who's the guy you know and they all had these crazy names and everybody had these cool nicknames names yeah oh my God it was it was such an amazing time but it's such that's what scares me about is that like I think it's like it has it's right now it's got like we said there's a Resurgence but there was a time where I
thought this could go away