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The Joe Rogan Experience Robert can you explain some of the um what you ended up finding out was hidden from you what was the exculpatory evidence oh they would they would have held that uh first of all first of all uh maybe I can explain the crimes right that was a spirit of crime that happened in the French Quarters in New Orleans it was to I think three armed robberies uh a rape and a kidnapping and a murder was tied to that so he they it took all these crimes and said it was a part of a spree all right they had a um a car that was involved uh in a crime and they eventually over the period well go to a couple of weeks after the crime happened maybe um they found out who the car that was involved and during the time when they was during the investigation my name came up as a as anonymous tip came in right so what they what they did was they eventually arrested me and connected me to the car that was actually used in in all these breeds of crime including the the murder the robbery the kidnappings and the rape uh uh and years later uh it eventually found out that another guy got arrested for the murder uh and was connected hit in his possession he had possessed it jury and articles of evidence from each crime spree and from each of the victims yeah he had jewelry from the woman that was robbed he had clothing from one of the other women I think the woman that was raped right um and they never turned this over to him right and so yeah they would they would have held that um from me that was that that how did they connect you with the car that's that's what I'm about to explain they connected me the car how they connected me with the car uh uh the the prosecutor didn't was that
like when they arrested this guy they got him to say that me and him was friends and he he allowed me to use the car right at times uh the commit the crime but all I ever just suggested uh uh differently and so at trial what they did was they charged he got convicted of the actual murder right he got convicted of murder and it separated him from the other crimes and it charged me with the other crimes right but I'm unbeknownst to me uh on the dead trial that I was uh for the rape kidnapping in their own robberies that uh he told the prosecutor that I had nothing to do with none of the crimes that he I never used a car none of that right but when I went to trial a prosecutor said something totally opposite they prosecute me on the theory that means God was best friends he allowed me to use did you know him I didn't know him at all and I was seeing them a day in my life and the short answer to your question Joe about what they had connecting him to the car a driver's license you would think a driver's license a registration Insurance someone that had seen them in the car the answer is they had absolutely nothing they had a word they had the word of a guy that had been accused and tied to these murders who was looking to put it on someone else how did he put it on you though he found out that there was a tip well implicating him right right absolutely and so he tried to be a snitch to get the heat off of him and put it on you absolutely and they let that happen yep even though they knew right it goes deep with this than that uh so after I get convicted uh uh I'm still charged with the with the murder of the British tourists right still I'm still actually charged with it even though I haven't been going back and forth to court with it at this time
after I get convicted and I know I was going to get a life sentence for the rape uh the kidnapping the three armed robbers uh so the district attorney uh made an offer to my defense attorney um and eventually brought it to me on the day of my sentence and say that okay uh we can give him 25 years uh 21 years for the murder you get him a manslaughter right and I don't know what type of stuff that happens out of my presence between my attorney and district attorney but I was scared as [ __ ] I just received a life sentence uh I know I was bothering you sent this to a life for the the rape and 25 or whatever maybe 99 years for every own robbery I don't know I was scared that [ __ ] so I took the 21 year plea but I never admitted to anything right and the part of evidence was that the guy uh who we we talking about that that it was initially trying to involve me he was found guilty of the murder already so they were trying you for a crime they already had convicted someone for absolutely how is that possible it happened because that what they were trying to say is that if two people are in a car and you're both out committing crimes right you're both responsible you're both responsible there's something called the felony murder Rule and the felony murder rules that if you're in the commission of a crime and somebody dies so if you and I went and robbed the bank and I go in and start you know shooting up the tellers and kill two tellers you're responsible for the murder also so the theory of Robert's prosecution was that they were friends they were on this crime spree together and that even though he was convicted of the murder um you know he was still responsible and guilty of murder it's no different than the James Daly case which I've talked about before they convicted one guy Jack Piercy and then they tried my client after that one guy got sentenced to life one guy got
sentenced to death it's crazy that they don't have to have any evidence whatsoever that you even friends with that guy right right it had his word right isn't his word enough and and the the piece of evidence another article evidence that would help is a report that uh that when he made a statement like the money on my trial as I said that I didn't have anything to do with the murder you never knew me and different things of that nature uh and they withheld that and it would help that and that was so important to change the outcome of my my trial because they went they took me to trial on the theory that we were friends and that I knew him and that I had a connection to him through the car but had I would have had that piece of information the the interjected my trial I would have never probably got found guilty to that extent and they also would have held various different um uh uh statements and evidence as it relates to the witnesses that was very inconsistent that was very favorable to me and that could have actually printed back to the to the guy who was actually uh uh uh convicted of the murder uh and attached to all those other spray of crimes um yeah so it's this was a a lot of stuff man that did withheld that that almost made it impossible um for me to unravel and to uh to obtain my freedom and you know I'd like to say that that's uncommon too but it's not so in other words when prosecutors are working on one Theory full steam ahead right and they then are met with you might be wrong we might have been wrong all along the Instinct 99 times out of 100 is to plow ahead and rationalize why the true perpetrator in Robert's case why did he all of a sudden say Robert had nothing to do with it oh well maybe he is making this up because he feels guilty that he implicated his friend who really wasn't his friend I've in Clementi aguirre's case which we've talked about and your listeners know about
the true killer confessed she confessed over and over again to friends to neighbors drunk not drunk to police in denying him post-conviction relief now this is a judge the judge chalked it up a survivor's guilt so in other words whether it's a prosecutor's judges they'll make an excuse to protect the prosecution because it's all about winning or losing let's talk about that what is that is that human nature is it like do people just want to confirm their initial suspicions and they rationalize all sorts of reasons why what they initially thought was right and this new evidence that shows that it's not right is wrong like what what is it is that they don't they don't just don't want to be they don't want to lose I think it's a fundamental flaw that we have as human beings that I share as a Taurus I especially share it how dare you bring up astrology but but I um I'm stubborn but I think as I see this time and time again and watching juries deliberate because I do mock trials and focus groups or speaking to people post verdict but you can apply it to politics to anything I think of one fundamental flaw we have as mammals is our inability to be flexible in our reasoning and I think that once we make a decision about something it's very very difficult to get people to reconsider I see that in really intelligent people too and it makes me sad it's maddening it's mad it drives me crazy yeah because it's like you aren't the the part of the problem I think with police with prosecutors with the whole legal system is that it becomes a game and I don't mean a game like it's a joke I mean a game like you're trying to win yes and whenever someone is involved in something where they're trying to win they do whatever the [ __ ] they can people cheat they move golf balls right they they do whatever the [ __ ] they can don't look at Jamie [Music] you did hear golf ball well people cheat man they they find ways to pretend that they didn't do something when they did it they find ways to justify the things they did do they find ways to pass the buck and put it on if if they can score that W right and you see cops do it they
they plant evidence on someone they think was probably guilty but they don't have enough evidence on them they find rationalizations and it's because there's a game going on it's a win or lose and it becomes a real problem and not only that with a lot of cops this quote is like you literally have to arrest a certain amount of people right which is insanity like what the [ __ ] do they do if no one commits a crime what do they do if no one speeds if you have a quota where you have to arrest a hundred people for speeding what the [ __ ] do you do if everybody makes an agreement we all get on Facebook and we say hey let everybody drive the [ __ ] speed limit for the next 60 days and let's crush the legal system because these cops have to they have to make a certain amount of pullovers they have to pull a certain amount of people over and write a certain amount of tickets they have quotas if you don't meet those quotas they get in trouble so what the [ __ ] kind of game is that right I I would say a lot a lot of that a lot of just like we have structural racism right and with when I say structural racism I mean like institutional uh uh things that set up to uh regulation rules and policies like Redline right uh and you just have like uh flawlessness in a variety of different systems they got people that work for company they got a lot of flawless and they don't really they don't really understand that you're employed in the system that that that treat people unfair calls people home and you can't even see it and some people can be a part of a system a part of a program or part of an organization that uh have that win mentality right that women about all cause mentality and they lose their empathy for people right and and when people lose their empathy when you know we didn't find those things and a lot of people don't like uh to hear this type of [ __ ] but when you lose your empathy for people you become technically a sociopath watch the entire episode for free only on Spotify