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[Music] by night Buckley how are you sir I'm doing good Joe good to have you in here man hey man thanks for having me you are the owner of the most highlighted the most viral video in the history of MMA I think that [ __ ] I appreciate it jump spinning back kicked yeah yeah I think so man you know uh it took a minute for me to actually like think that it is you know I mean because there's so many other like awesome Knockouts out there you know like my man you know Dan hendover you know Bisbee you know with the ace bomb and then with my man s and Barboza with the you know spinning Hill kid gonna tell you Adam you know and uh like Francis and guy who you know saying like just so many like different Heavy Hitters out there with with great chaos you know but once I really like sat back and looked at it and it took some time to actually like take everything in I'm like yeah that's pretty dope yours was crazy because he's holding one foot and jump spinning back kick him in the face with the other foot yeah I mean that is just wow I mean come have you ever done that in a fight before nah so that was my first time so you know if you want to really hear it man it's a long story with it because nobody taught me that kick you know like I never had an instructor no not at all you know I was just fascinated with martial arts you know since I was a little kid you know and uh you know once I got you know started with MMA and stuff like that the gym where I came from It could only teach so much the instructors only knew so much you know I mean it was just like a mom and pop you know gym type stuff where you know a lot of you know people just get there to you know get into shape you know right um but overall though when I used to go on YouTube I used to watch a lot of different videos you know on how to you know not just train as a mixed martial artist but just to learn like different moves and techniques from different disciplines from uh not just Taekwondo but you know how keto you know Christian uh uh sandshaw you know all these different disciplines that I used to take from and uh then once I looked at the disciplines I looked at who the best people in it right and then I
looked at different people that's uh in those disciplines whatever and guess who I ran into when I got into Taekwondo I seen one of your videos no no for real for real on uh you talk uh Georgia Saint Pierre like how to correctly throw the uh spinning back kick yeah you know I mean but you at first showed them how to throw the sidekick and I used to watch those videos you know over and over again you know and then it evolved when I seen Raymond Daniels perform uh the two tests yeah yeah that's probably one of the biggest highlight reels in kickboxing big facts right you know but I seen that I was like man that's dope because it's a level up yeah what you're showing right yeah so I used to perform that on the back on the heavy bag all the time and people like man what are you doing like whatever but I used to generate so much power when I used to balance you know uh my right foot on the because uh not my right but my left foot because I would come in like a roundhouse kick because I'm a softball I would bounce on the back and then I would Propel myself off the bag and I would Spin and we used to make this this hard pop like a shotgun right and would bend the entire bag so I'm like bro I feel like so powerful like throwing this kid I mean uh but regardless though just seeing these people like do this stuff and just learning from them and just imitating these moves you know yeah years later than I end up performing that kick you know who's got some of the best instructionals of that of like traditional kicks like Sidekicks and turning Sidekicks Michael Jai White uh Mario I'm already here watch the Thousand Michael Jai White has some sharp technique big facts and on top of that even before him build superfood Wallace oh yeah come on now you know what I mean so you know he had the best hook kick ever you know he only had one knee his knee was [ __ ] up yeah big fat yep and that's why because uh he used to do like Judo you know he used to do throws and stuff he couldn't do it anymore so he ended up transitioning just to kickboxing but like he taught himself how to just fight on that this that one size you know make itself you know uh just like a line hard to hit you know but he made his uh his leg like a jab
you know what I mean stick guys but he would hit with a roundhouse like you said uh uh he'll hook kick you know what I'm saying or just just like the spinning back kick as well you know if you can find a highlight of Bill superfoot Wallace I mean they got plenty because because the fact that he only used one leg because he had one knee that was just really [ __ ] up so he couldn't kick with it so because he did everything off that one leg his one leg had so much dexterity yeah it's like that old school quote from Bruce Lee videos that's why I used to watch I used to watch stuff like this all the time you know and it's cool just coming back to it and he was so fast too with it like it was hard to see yeah and he would joke around about like you know the camera not being fast enough to see his feet you know yeah but he had the very best kicks off the front yeah yeah man he's still getting that yeah I want to try to be funny but I think my man's still alive yeah you know I think he is too he did commentary in the first ufcs yes he did yeah very early days yeah exactly so he's still out there look at that yeah so this is just a year ago yep yep good for him yeah man we'll see if you can find some of his fights because he knocked a lot of people out with those yeah just uh try to put like verses and then it'll pop up on his own so like yeah be a superfood and it's like verse in his show it was just so hard for people to deal with oh that was in a force of one yeah yeah uh I think he fought this guy named Joe Lewis yeah yeah Joe Lewis down there and Raymond watch that one right there oh that's a good one so Joe Lewis not the heavyweight boxer was a legendary karate fighter yeah exactly yeah and this is a fun fight to watch uh and look at that Boop yeah over that front like the thing about that style though I always wondered like how would those guys do against like a Muay Thai Guy through leg kicks because we saw that with you know with um a lot of Fighters that had that style once they encountered like Rick Rufus yeah they encountered leg kicks they got kind of [ __ ] up until they realized how to deal with it and how to use the leg kicks then Rick Rufus became an incredible leg kicker well I mean I mean
perfect example so Peter Cunningham yes you so you know who Peter no sugar sugar yeah yeah yeah so uh but he he fought more Thai guys and used to whoop their ass yes because he could throw leg kicks yeah he could throw he could throw leg kicks and he had hands yeah she had everything yeah yeah but that's like the beautiful thing about MMA is we're seeing all those techniques being Incorporated yeah like a guy like you who can do all the other things now you're learning jump spinning back kicks and all this other stuff see I always assumed watching you fight that you had some sort of a traditional martial arts background because you throw so many sidekicks and they're so clean they're so sharp I I assume uh I guess I can attribute that all from martial arts movies that's wild literally all from Marshall hey like people think it's a joke but Lily when I was a kid you know uh you know just growing up you know I mean my mom you know would raise me she was you know single mother and stuff like that so she can only do so much you know I mean so I was on the TV all the time that's what raising you know what I'm saying big facts you know uh because I was around a lot of women you know so when she needed help I was with my godmother Erica and stuff like that and I was with you know my God sisters and stuff like that so there's a lot of you know women around so I was looking for male influences in the fastest way I could find it was just on TV wow you know what I mean so just looking at Bruce Lee looking at Jackie Chan looking like Michael Jai White Donnie and Tony like these are guys I'm like oh man I want to be like them yeah you know I mean so yeah it's amazing how many people got influenced to fighting into traditional martial arts from movies big facts yeah so that's like the some of the greatest kickboxers will tell you who Bruce Lee is the one that got him into it you know it's the best sales person ever is those movies yeah big facts I mean you look at like the emergence of karate academies in the country after Bruce Lee movies like through the roof yeah yeah everybody wanted to learn including Chuck Norris you know yes yeah yeah including Chuck Norris so when you what what was your first actual like uh
coaching in martial arts uh my first coaching uh that's the gym at Finish MMA I was 18. I started as soon as I got out of high school man because school wasn't for me at the time man you know I'm saying I was like you know not taking it seriously but you know I just always wanted to be a part of martial arts you know when I was younger and I knew that wrestling was going to be a great Foundation starting you know so when I was in Middle School got into High School whatever I got into wrestling and then after that after I graduated went to Phoenix MMA so when in 2012 wrestling in high school were you thinking that you were doing this to prepare to fight yeah really yeah yes sir well I mean like low-key but like I knew like that's what I wanted to do and it was the closest thing to a discipline to a martial arts discipline yeah it's wrestling that's the only thing what's important I wasn't good at football I wasn't good at basketball I wasn't good at baseball you know I mean uh uh couldn't catch water if I fell out of boat you know what I'm saying like so my biggest thing is like you know I never really liked Sports anyway it's just martial arts and the only thing that uh I could apply those skills to was wrestling you know because my mom didn't want to put me into like any karate all that stuff costs money you know at the end of the day but wrestling was free and so when you first got into actual coaching you you already knew how to kick then just from watching movies and [ __ ] uh somewhere I wouldn't say I actually knew how to kick but like that's what it's imitation you know I'm saying uh life imitates art right so that's my biggest thing it's just like I used to watch these guys and used to and you got to realize like these guys is playing or actors or real martial artists oh yeah you know me so they re they using Real Techniques at the end of the day so I just get to look at that and use it and and just apply it you know I love like one of my favorite movies to watch is Blood and Bone you know uh with Michael John White yeah Kimbo Slice you know and uh it's a lot of techniques that he uses that I'm like oh bro that'd be dope to you know pull off you know so yeah I would say like that was my my start into martial arts was the movies but my real like actual
training started when I was 18. and so when you were 18 how long was it before you had your first fight uh but it actually didn't take long I think it was like a little bit of like um nine months 10 months into training and I had my first fight was it an MMA fight yeah yeah it was MMA fight yeah so in Missouri and St Louis whatever so as amateurs like we didn't need the headgear we didn't need to wear like shin guards or nothing so you fought like a pro you know the only thing that you couldn't do was like heel Hooks and lead to the head no heel hooks yeah interesting yeah no heels but all the other submissions are okay yeah and no elbows yeah every other submission was cool and no elbows no knees no Cuts you know and then no Hill hooks that was only only rule so just a few limitations yeah and uh so do they have a comprehensive amateur program there like or was it was it balanced were you fighting someone that had experience or were you just fighting another person man like I don't think it was balanced yet you know even in 2012 you know uh everybody had The Showdown you know uh so like you know the promoter you know I mean putting fights together and everything but people still trying to figure out actually like the gen-wise and how to you know uh develop a fighter if that makes sense you know uh because I feel like still to this day that a lot of MMA gyms still not doing it right you know but that's a whole another conversation for a whole another day so a lot of these guys that was in amateur fighting just wanted to fight just to get the feel for it yeah and that was the type of guys I was fighting almost like at the amateur level you know well we we had dinner that one night we were talking about the difference between going to a big gym and the way you're doing it at a smaller gym yeah and there's some interesting conversation to be had about that because you made some really good points about when you're in a smaller gym you get individualized attention and you're not getting lost in the crowd exactly and that there's so much information out there already with all the videos that are out there and all the fights so much so so sometimes it's good just to be um so my coach is a perfect example right he have us working on the same
thing over and over and over again and we know it and we know about like heartbeat but and we'll tell because like hey coach can we do something different he's like yeah but I want y'all do this you know I mean and you need that type of discipline whatever just to keep doing the same thing because that's how you actually work on your tools you work on the basics over and over again you know I'm saying then it becomes Instinct you know so even though we have so much applied knowledge out there's so many things that we can do sometimes it's like the basic knowledge that we have and if we work with a smaller gym we're able to focus on that a little bit more you know as a team you know instead of everybody just doing their own thing because I don't care nobody say like big gyms everybody's just doing their own thing everybody's working with who they're working with you know they're not even working with the coach unless they got a name and they got a big fight coming up that's the thing right because that's what I hear it's like you get two arguments one of them is iron sharpens iron so if you're around like if you go to ATT if you're an American top team world-class facility giant Place dormitories world-class but when I've talked to fighters who train there they said look man you get in there with some Russian dude you never met before and he's trying to kill you yeah and that there's no supervision like if you're not a world-class guy yeah if you're not a top of the food chain guy that has a lot of money riding on it they'll put you in there with everybody who's in class and you're gonna have to learn you're gonna sing a swim you know what I mean yeah you have to develop and become that individual in order for them to work with you they're not going to develop you you know so a lot of guys get it twisted when they go to these big gems and they think that they're going to be elevated because of the guys that they're around but at the same time like you said people just trying to beat you up right you know I mean so you're not really learning anything so that's one thing I talk about structure right so just because you're a big gym and you're able to have all these you know um housing for Fighters you know I mean you got the big
nice match you got the heavy bags and all this other stuff you got all the pretty stuff but you have no structure within the gym you know a lot of guys should be working with certain people to develop their skills so like let's say you know certain Pros high level Pros you know I mean not saying that a high level Pro can't work with it amateur but certain amateurs shouldn't be working with certain Pros like they should be developed to a certain point where they showing that they know enough and now they can move up and work with certain individuals you know what I mean so I feel fed to the Wolves exactly you know I mean because that all it's gonna do is hurt the little young amateur and then sometimes amateurs be doing the wrong thing and be going too hard and could end up cutting you know I'm saying a high level Pro you know and they might not be making a lot of money but that's somebody that's a Potential Prospect yes but now they ain't got a fight coming up because they was going with this amateur because they had nobody else to go with right you know so you know it's a lot of things you know that that play a part into having a big gym in a small gym but I just love having a small gym just because you get that actual attention that you need well it sounds like your coach is a fantastic coach oh he won the best in the world what's his name uh Joaquin Murcielago so we got the same first name that's crazy that's an odd name it's not a lot of those doctors out there so when you're um what is the name of the gym uh Mercy yeah and and when you're working uh with him it's specifically with him and a bunch of other people or like so so he's the head coach you know um for MMA wise and then we have uh Nick Simmons so the gem itself is called salt Academy it's a wrestling um Academy so he he has a lot of uh high level Prospect high school wrestlers Middle School wrestler some of the best wrestlers you know I'm saying in the nation you know uh that come to him to learn wrestling so his name is Nick Simmons and but I work with his uh older brother Andy uh not actually young younger brother Andy Simmons uh that's who I work with and uh he's more of my size and stuff like that so I get a lot of high level wrestling from him because both of them are Hall of Famers uh at uh Michigan uh state which is pretty dope
you know and uh so they got a a nice Revenue you know send out Revenue but like a great career uh within wrestling went undefeated you know I'm saying for the longest time like I think over 200 300 bucks or something like that undefeated and then I got a conditioning coach at the HPI Human Performance Institute uh Justin Hardy he was an NFL player you know that's where we get all our conditioning work in uh so like we don't have many many guys you know but at the end of the day we have enough to work with we also got a guy that works with our Jiu Jitsu who works at uh Magic named Brandon Barry who does all our Jiu Jitsu but the crazy thing about him he's not a black belt he's not a high level Jiu-Jitsu guy he's somebody that's just passionate about Jiu Jitsu who watches it every day you know and he shows us stuff that actually work but he's somebody committed to it you know and who watches it every day and that's what we learned Jujitsu from well that was the case a long time ago there was a lot of guys who are like blue belts and purple belts that were opening up schools because they didn't have a real good school around them and they knew that they could teach at least a base of fundamentals and if they were really excited and passionate about Jiu Jitsu they would grow with their students exactly exactly and that's exactly what he's doing with us you know because I could see Brandon uh going very far you know into being an instructor going far in the Jiu Jitsu you know but just somebody that you know not looking for anything out of it you know he never asked me for any money or nothing like that but he shows me a lot of things that helped me win the fight against Albert Doyle you know how to get the stand up you know how to get my guard back you know and uh you know it's just crazy because in that fight a lot of people had me pick the lose you know and thinking like okay Albert Dre has changed that's this big gym you know at extreme Couture and stuff like that he has all the tools he has all the resources and then I go back to Michigan I don't have much but I got the people that's able to work on the things that we need to work on and we do it repeatedly until I get it down and then we're able to show that in the fight you know and I feel like that's what I'm
saying like we actually Sean what works within this game you know because if you got the right group of people that you're working with they can help Advance you in your career and stuff like that then that's what you need to mesh up with but a lot of Fighters feel like they need to move on from the gym that they come from that they was developing well at to go to a bigger gym you know and that's not the way to go all the ways why it not always right it really does depend upon the environment government who the coach is what kind of relationship we have with them but it seems like you got a good one set up yeah yeah so how do you balance out how much grappling you do versus how much striking you do it's it seems like you prefer striking that seems like your your level of expertise that's what I want to say that level of expertise but that's where the money coming yeah yeah but I just want to always be exciting you know but now we trying to you know switch the gears into just becoming a winner you know because now we got money in the bank you know so uh my biggest thing is like when I went out for my first UFC fight with Kevin Holland I just chose to stand on the feet I could have took Kevin Holland down I could have you know I mean put it put myself in a better position to win but I decided just to strike and you know I fell on that he beat me you know in the third round you know and he got the advantage on me but at the end of the day I was like I want to make these fights exciting and and fan appealing which even with the loss I had against Kevin Holland people still wanted to watch me fight right you know and then coming into my second fight with with uh ampa because I you know still shows I mean I'm mixing a little bit of takedown but I let him back up I was like right I want to keep this on the feet I want to keep going and then of course we did what we did you know so like my whole course is just going through my career I just want to strike with these guys and get good Knockouts so I can get a third check so you are thinking that way you're thinking that's what happens that's how I was thinking yes and now you're thinking I Want To Be A Champion yes sir yeah yeah yeah that's the shift right the pivot and sometimes guys get criticized for that and I I'm opposed to
that criticism people are saying oh they're fighting boring and I'm like I don't know what what you think is boring I think baseball's boring yeah I don't think fighting's ever born there's always a potential for something crazy to happen but the intelligent Fighters know how to win yeah yeah I mean like Floyd Mayweather like for me when I watch him and obviously you got some of the best defensive fighter is him uh but when you watch him fight you can call it born if you want to but when you really pay attention and the things that he's doing and how he's you know um moving around Fighters and how he's evading these punches and you know and able to counter fight us like bro that's very intriguing masterful and then now we talk about you know Izzy you know it's the same way same thing same exactly that was my argument about the Jared Cannon near fight they were like oh she should have engaged more I'm like dude he's fighting Jared Cannon here you can't engage all the time recklessly with that dude that dude's a power and that's the thing I'm not mad at Izzy 40 because that's what he keeps doing right in order to retain his title and I hope he keeps doing I hope he does it against Alex for I pray I pray uh I want to talk to you about that big facts because it's kind of your division but maybe not in the future oh yeah I know he's decided I'm going down to one set yes I'm about to get that but we're going to have this fight with Chris Curtis yes I said 85. that's at 85. they wanted me to have one more fight at 185. they was like well if you want to make this good little money we sign it 185 fight CC and then we can talk about you moving down in one second are they opposed to you moving down to 170. I don't think they opposed but they only see me at 1 85 right you know what I mean so they like well first off because there's so many different things because people haven't seen me fight at 170 even though the majority of my fights are welterweight fights you know yes sir yeah so uh the majority of my career since I was 18 since I've been an amateur everything and going into Pro I was a 175. yeah I am pretty slow but you know don't let these muscles uh deceive you know what I'm saying so I mean I think Michael John White talked about it
before too like uh when he's bulking you know I mean like a lot of people think he's bigger than well he is bigger but they think he's smaller when they see him but when he's cut up you know I'm saying and he's clean that's when they think he's his biggest because they see all the muscle and it's so defined and everything but he's actually lighter but he's actually lighter you know and it's the same thing with me you know so it's just that perception that people see like oh they think I'm a lot bigger than what I really am actually in that National Dean fight I walked into that fight at 185. did you really yeah yeah at 185 I actually I cut too much damn weight no way I was walking around at 181. no yeah yeah yeah even the people even the pi guys they can tell you so what do you weigh right now uh yeah I'm a little heavy right now I've been eating good you know so in Texas but I never get up to 200. so I'm probably like 195. I never get up to 200. interesting that's very light for 85. exactly especially when you look at some of those giant dudes yeah I mean all of them shoot Nashville coming from 240. you know what I'm saying yeah used to be a heavyweight oh yeah you know what I'm saying like come on he's as big as it get today yeah that was what I was saying about Izzy like the way he fought him was the perfect way to fight him oh he was smart you gotta fight jerk the only the only person that I I give any slack to is um Jake himself yeah because he had the best opportunity right and I feel like even if he didn't win he still could have brought the fight a little bit better because if he doesn't mind fight you know I mean but she he wants you to bring the fight to him but you see Jay Cannon there trying to clinch up against him try to do taxes I ain't never seen him do before what happened to the killer gorilla you know what I'm saying what happened to the rocks that you keep in your pocket you know what I'm saying like all these little different things they give you mental fortitude but you [ __ ] scared that night I don't care I don't care no I say Jared when you fight Izzy I think you're fighting a super computer when that dude's standing in front of you and he's throwing all those faints we can debate all day but yeah but my thing is if I was to fight is you got to put that
pressure on like Kevin Jackson did right and now of course Izzy could have gotten better from that fight which he more likely did he certainly did but still you never seen him fight that type of fight again right you know where Kevin Gaston been in the Southpaw or shorter fighter uh inside fighter as you know putting pressure on him he never fought that type of individual again you know and I feel like my uh striking and my statue fits like a Kevin Gaston you know and I feel like my footwork is a little better than Kevin gasman as well so I wouldn't just be going straight in I will hit different angles on Izzy that's how you beat Izzy I feel like it's taking it out of a kickboxing range you know I mean put it in the boxing range and fighting inside you know and then guess what mixing in the tape down you know but guess what it's kind of hard to take down easy but at the same time like even with Robert Whittaker a lot of people say he probably won that fight but I feel like he didn't do enough though you know it's only a little debates that you can put up behind it but my thing is I feel like Izzy is able to be finished in certain positions that he put himself in because it's a lot of things that he do uh because of his reach he leans back a lot to to try to counter away from punches right but if you can find that angle and you can see the holes opening there because his body is there his chin is available you know you can find that punch and I felt like Jade Kennedy could have exposed a lot of that if he fought the way that he fights a lot of other guys you know you just have to run the risk of getting knocked out there it is 38. you know I'm saying hey if you start to get knocked out then you know I mean you probably shouldn't be in this game right or wrong yeah and I think he probably felt like he'll find that opportunity somewhere in the fight so it's like don't get knocked out while you're trying to find that opportunity yeah but it but at the same time like it's scary though I know what you're saying you know it's scary like so my biggest thing is just trying to figure out how Mike Tyson my one of my favorite Fighters like he always put pressures on guys like you could you could knock out Mike if he came towards you but he was evasive you know he moving his head the whole time moving his feet shifting
everything oh yeah and it was all about angles but he never let the pressure down right because he could probably get knocked out you know he just worked on his defense so even with Robert Whitaker that first fight that they had that's why he got knocked out because he added so much pressure but he left a lot of holes open so easy to expose but if you could have just worked on just keeping your hands up and working inside and moving your angles and stuff you probably could have did a little better on the second end which he did taking them down and trying to but you trying to game plan on how to take the bill like bro you gotta beat that individual and I don't know how you feel about that but my biggest thing is just like you can't just like barely beat a champion in Black all right it's my belt now you know that's just me and my opinion and that's how it's always been you don't kind of see that but whoever wins the fight wins the fight if someone wins a clear-cut unanimous decision but for a title that's still winning yeah what have we seen that man like you know with Dominic Reyes and Jon Jones Valentina I feel like Valentina lost that last fight like low-key uh very close fight very close fight but debatable that she lost debatable you know what I'm saying but at the same time debatable Robert Whittaker and Izzy that's debatable too but the thing is though forget the bait y'all gotta take that thing you gotta take it you gotta take it I feel that I I I completely appreciate that I think Robert Whittaker was a way better fighter in the second fight I think losing to Izzy just reignited that fire inside of him because I think Fighters and you know you could speak to this better than me but I think Fighters they go in sort of Cycles like sometimes they're just not totally focused and motivated or maybe they're overwhelmed by pressure or you know so many there's so many different things because you don't never know what's going on outside yeah you know I mean in their lives and stuff but for Robert Whittaker I mean he went into the fight as a winner like I mean it was I remember Michael Bisby said something like uh Robert didn't look as confident in the second round but my thing is though like Robert Whitaker getting up to that title fight he's been winning in
decisions right so he got used to just beating guys and taking them to a point where he's just outpouring them for real you know even with the Jay Cannon there when he broke Jared Canon near his form ain't like he was hunting for the Finish since he's just out pointing just touching just touching guys you know right you thinking with a man with one arm you'd probably be able to get him out of there but did you know he had one arm though he didn't know his arm was broken I ain't say you know it but at the same time if you apply that type of pressure and and uh you put it on somebody you know I'm saying like you can only do so much with a broken arm but shout out to Jerry can and then for even fighting like that right yeah so I was hoping that same dog would come out in the Izzy fight but regardless like we're skipping points you know uh but I know what you're saying but you know it's armchair quarterbacking right okay so so wait um with Robert Whittaker you know I'm saying like I felt like in my mind he just got used to just coasting for a lot of his fights because it wasn't close like he would win every round when he fought what Kevin Gaston when he fought Darren teal you know what I'm saying like he's just beating these guys by decision and fairly easy and and Jerry came in there fairly easy and then when he got to Izzy he thought he could win the same type of way you know but I think he's also I think the Izzy fight it's just my opinion but I think he was suffering from those fights with yoel Romero too YOLO Romero that [ __ ] take something from you he takes that's like fighting a brick wall that dude I can see that he's different I can see that you know he's so different yeah and those fights were horrendous remember he got knocked down and hurt yeah yeah and got back up yeah you know yeah he tried to do the same little tactics that your L did you know what I'm saying when he uh yeah well y'all [ __ ] his knee up in that first fight yeah what do you think about that side kick to the knee that's controversial right I mean it's legal it's legal legal yeah I mean I have I haven't done it you know I'm saying to anybody I haven't seen the opportunity to do it but if I see like somebody like with a straight leg you know I'll never
do it if somebody has a strong stance it wouldn't make any sense to do it then but if I see somebody has like like a Sean Strickland yeah it's a perfect example straight up yeah I'm killing that knee yeah yeah well Jon Jones is the master at that yeah all that length big facts that using distance no one's better at using distance uh John's the best yeah he is the best but because of his attributes you know I mean because like the 84 you know what I'm saying sure it's reached like that's crazy and then on top of that delays I don't know I know but your legs is longer you know so uh with having all that reach I feel like that's what but a lot of people like oh he's like one of the best defensive or best footwork I'm like nah not at all but it's not a footwork thing it's using his attributes yeah but that's what Mickey Mouse has the best footwork I don't know I don't know I don't know you know I got some good forward too you got very good footwork but come on man Mighty Mouse is off the charts would come and he's the guy who talked about having all the stuff in your personal life in order last time he was here he's like you know a big part of my success is having a stable Family Life having a wife having you know every all not not having any personal problems no crazy people in your life no [ __ ] that drags you down which is a problem with Fighters yeah I mean because it can apply you know negative energy into your life and into your training you know I mean you're not able to focus on the things that's very really important as in uh you know being able to provide for your family because this is how we eat yeah you know and if you got to focus on other stuff and and try to get your life in order like a John and that's crazy thing Jon Jones be going through crazy stuff crazy and still able to maintain on the highest level crazy remember when he said to Daniel Cormier I fought you and beat you after I did you know Daniel's in there training with Kane Velasquez and drinking only water man and and that's why to me that uh Jon Jones but I feel like he probably been doing it for so long that it became natural for me because obviously he was a champion at the age of 23 years old
and he probably was always doing this little crazy stuff I mean Kobe Covington was talking about it like when his roommates with him like he was always a wild boy always loved the party so it was just something that he came accustomed to and a part of but sometimes I'd be like brother you ain't getting tired of that you know what I'm saying you ain't getting walled out like you would think so I mean my man what how old is John now George in his 30s you know I think he's a little older than that how old is John is he 34 I mean John won the title The only time to come back I feel like for John like if he waits any longer I feel like he needed to stay away but according to John the the hold up is stipei steepe did not want to sign for the fight for December 10th and uh I don't know what that is whether they didn't offer Stipe enough money I don't know what what what's going on so I don't want to speak out of line yeah yeah yeah but I think they're targeting when francis's knee is recovered uh Francis and Gano they want to put on this fight oh okay so so they getting rid of this debate because I feel like before he fight Francis he need to fight somebody like us eBay or a two of us you know I mean somebody like that just really shows that you belong at heavyweight before you just fight for it I would say that for anybody else for anybody else I would say that but when you talk about the greatest lightheaded maybe the greatest mixed martial arts honestly of all time I understand Let them fight it I would have said that probably two years ago yeah but it's time you know what I'm saying like Buddy's training the thing about John is John's wild but he's also smart yeah one of the things that John's one of the smartest yeah putting on so much weight he's [ __ ] huge now yeah I mean John's like 255 jacked it's all filled out if he can maintain that endurance and keep that kind of pace that he had a light heavyweight at 205 and if you look at his the strength and conditioning work that he's doing man he's doing it the right that's nasty but this ain't lifting weights though you already know I mean uh be honest with you like we don't see what goes on and I know he's training hard I know he's uh well first off he did change the team
obviously right he got kicked out of uh Jason I don't know the story behind that you know I don't know either yeah so my biggest thing so like yeah all right who you training with now who are you sparring with like who you working with like you know those are the things that I want to see I want to just see you in the weight room is he doing something with Henry sahudo I don't know I have no clue you know I think I think he was working with him uh for a minute a lot of guys working with him how are you doing I like what Henry's doing that's a focused man big fat he's a focused man and he keeping himself involved for sure like even though he's not fighting he want to come back for sure well they're talking about him fighting Al Jermaine Sterling for the title which I hope takes place yeah I hope it takes place that's a very good fight I like that fight a lot for him to come right back straight to the title makes sense two Division champion Olympic gold medalist one of the grades yeah you're right and actually that that was the original weight class that Henry came from right yeah so it was a 125 135 yeah well he you know he won a 25 and he was a but he also wanted 35. I feel like him coming back at 35 to fight aljo is a very legit fight I like that fight a lot I'd be honest with you I think Alex man take them I know TJ's shoulder was [ __ ] up but dude this just the way Al Jermaine fought purely on the second fight too he's a champion now there's a thing that happens to a guy when he comes into his own and you go you know what I can't wait to see him again because I think he's gonna be even better yeah that's how I feel about aljo right yeah yeah yeah it's like that you you realize like the confidence is there and when you talk about like and for 135 like the physique that has like the the type of shape that he's in oh yeah bro I'm like bro he ain't looking like other 135 he's the perfect 135. it's like the perfect amount of weight cutting yeah like he's got his diet dialed in he comes out shredded as [ __ ] buddy also has great cardio big fat and he's long too yeah he's walking around 176 when I saw him like that's wow that's wild you know I mean and that's the thing that's why I know I'll be cool like getting down to 170 because I ain't got to cut a massive
amount of weight and definitely when I clean up my diet the only probably the the biggest I probably cut is like 20. well if you were walking around at 181.50 that seems easy for you to make 170. you know what I'm saying but that's the thing like I was walking around at 182 185 you know what I'm saying like when I was like 21 um 20 shoot shoot I think how long I've been walking so like since I was 18 going up to like 23 years old I was walking around that week you know well I didn't actually start to fill out until I didn't get any fights at one seven it makes sense that they want to see you like cut the weight though because like you see there's so many problems like hamza's the biggest problem trying to get down to 170 and the dude misses it by eight pounds which is [ __ ] up the whole card yeah man now hold on okay that's a problem and I love to talk about this too because I don't think the UFC set this up like no crazy stuff I ain't trying to be on the British jobs but low-key it just worked out too well it did work out too well but that's how things happen sometimes you think so yeah it's my whole life it's your whole life yeah things just work out something yeah big things okay that was a situation where it was the best case scenario in terms of options because Kevin Holland had fought at 185 before and he was available and he was willing and then they got in a squabble backstage and so they said all right let's just make this at 180 and Kevin's like good because Kevin was already supposed to fight Daniel Rodriguez at 180. that all that made sense yeah and uh that's the thing it really didn't make no sense because why are they fighting that when they eat and then why did they just put on a card last minute well they had no other options the only other option was cancel a card like what what is that why would they why would they have to cancel no no no no I'm not talking about like no no I'm talking about why I even put Kevin Holland versus uh uh what's a homeboy named d-rod why even put that fight in the car and why is it catch weight Kevin Holly can make the way d-rod has always fought
at 170 so why is he already uh making up the mind oh I want to fight at 180. well they had made that Arrangement far in advance but not it was a last-minute fight that they put on yeah but I mean it wasn't like the day of Daniel Rodgers like all I'm saying is just it's like for it to be at 180 and then to make that like decision to make it at 180 that's what I'm talking about because then also Tony Ferguson versus G Liang that fight didn't make no when they made the fight that fight didn't make no sense to me well if I made sense to me all right go ahead it made sense to me because Tony Ferguson's coming off a knockout loss to Chandler yeah and then moving up to 170. but yeah but that the thing about it is like I think as you get older yes okay and I think it becomes more and more difficult for you to make the weight and you feel weakened by the weight cut Daniel Rodriguez the reason why that made sense if you look how big he looked against Lee jinglian and what I mean big I mean yeah yeah ain't never come in shape he said Jake but he's just not ripped you know he's just got that that came Velasquez style Body you know where they never looked shredded but they're always in shape yeah yeah and I think that he was probably heavy and he said look I'll take the fight but I'm I'm heavy right now I'm not gonna make 170 kill myself so let's do it at 180 and Kevin's like fine I fight at 185 all the time we're good right right so it's got all the pieces of a conspiracy but there's logic behind it yeah because even because the harms ideas makes sense only because like UFC don't want Diaz to come on you know what I'm saying and be able to shine but it didn't make sense though right because a lot of people like Jesus Christ hamza's so big Diaz has fought at 155. yeah yeah homside's coming in this [ __ ] yeah it's a big easy money you know and then also you help develop even though house I still got a crazy following but it's still not the you know American base you know I mean so like it helps build his name so that fight did make sense for me right there but then it's like the whole switch up I'm like bro that's too perfect because then then you have Kevin Holland and hops like they had a whole little dispute right yes and you already got Kevin Holland who didn't
have to cut no weight and that's the thing about even Kevin shout out to him he wasn't cutting weight for real at 185. you know what I'm saying like like my man would just walk around you know smoking doing this little thing and like walking to the cage and fight at 185 yeah you know yeah for sure so they had that fight at 180 and then tell her when I want to say tell hanza but Hans I said himself that the doctor told him to stop gonna wait hanza was like oh well I can make it you know what I'm saying so I don't even think it's on the fighters but I feel like the UFC was able to mess this up a little too well well let me tell you because I know yeah you know you know yes I talked to Dana when the [ __ ] went down he's like this is a [ __ ] mess what the [ __ ] I don't know what we're gonna do because so they were in chaos and then they masterminded they got together and they brainstormed they said okay what if we do this and this and it turned out like we were talking about it it's a better card it was a better way better way Ferguson versus Diaz a competitive matchup yeah that made sense yeah you know hamzat versus Kevin Hahn that makes sense I'm not arguing that yeah that's how I should have been first make sense to me I think lead jingling got [ __ ] uh he got played it too yeah you know but be right but d-rod is still still a 175 to do yes but he do cut a lot of weight though yes you know what I'm saying and uh my thing is though but Julian he had to put in that extra work in order to get that weight down two one seven yes because Julian is a rip guy you know I mean I know it's hard to even try to get to the 170 weight class form so um so you know he did have a little disadvantage I felt like Julie ain't won that fight too bro I feel like he did enough to win you know I mean it was so close a very close fight you know so but then you know uh and shout out to Neil magni who just finished d-rod because Neil magni is one of the most underappreciated guys in the UFC yeah Loki that guy has cardio Pace that dude puts on people he's such a Workman he just comes in and just constant volume no Long Reach uh I don't know I feel like uh Neil Matt he does a good job of getting guys to fight his style yes you know what I'm saying he takes his time
with guys and like guys take that pace but then don't realize okay oh Tom is getting ate up right now and uh Neil Mackey does a good job of time guys up just using that long time it's boring I ain't gonna lie to you it's slow but even though when you say like oh it's not born it's masterful but there's a lot of things I'll be saying they'll Maggie do and I'll be I ain't a lot of y'all be falling asleep because you like exciting man but I don't know well speaking of Neil magni no you know and I'm glad gotta win because you never know you know with the USC with you know losses and stuff like that yeah that shot kid though The Undefeated you know what I'm saying he he demolishes bro you know and what he got him out the first round yeah that guy's good he's good he's he's under the radar yeah like with mainstream people that's real that's the real harms out killer to me he's a black [ __ ] like with 16 finishes 17 finishes and he does everything you know he can do everything yeah Striker Grappler everything I think he got a fight coming up against Jeff new yeah yeah that's right that's a banger that's a banger I like Jeff Neal now Jeff Neal's back yeah yeah big facts big facts you know he went through a period of time where he was doing his own [ __ ] and you know it wasn't really totally focused I mean almost if I'm not mistaken almost died or something you know he was in the hospital yes yeah you know really bad infection bad infection yeah real bad so it took him out for a little minute you know and then recovering from that was difficult and then he had some personal life [ __ ] but now he's back he looks like the Jeff like when Jeff Neal fought Mike Perry I was like like this [ __ ] Dark Horse I'm almost done because he's got timing man his timing and when Jeff Neal's on he's one of the best guys in the division I can agree with that you know and definitely what he did to Vicente Luke was masterful you know and I and I was telling a lot of guys like you know watch out for that because it's just how Vicente Luke he strikes and he's a powerful guy don't get a twisted a lot of Knockouts but he just keeps his head straight up takes a lot of damage takes a lot of punishment but if you got somebody got decent footwork good combinations that they put together
which Jeff Neal does have you know you've seen like oh I mean just pick them apart just with boxing along you know and a lot of those guys with those Dutch Styles you know I mean I feel like man they just be getting touched too the hard style it's hard style I mean you could deliver some bangers but that's if somebody standing right in front of you and Jeff Neil wasn't doing that for him yeah he masterfully moved around and picked the shots and that was big the division is wild like the all divisions are wild right now in the UFC but I feel like 170 in particular and I feel like the only thing that's missing from 170 is the person highly part you know you got the Kobe Covington and now we got you know well Kevin Holland as a 170 fighter but a lot of these guys I don't feel like promote themselves even Vicente Luke what is his nickname The Silent you know assassin you don't talk much he doesn't do anything you know Gilbert Burns is one of them you know I mean like that don't really promote itself like that Jeff Neal don't really promote his stuff like that you know but they all talented but you don't have a lot of Personality that goes within you know uh fighting that people want to actually attach themselves and want to watch you fight you know and that's what I feel like the 170 division is missing from both dog what number 11 in the world now like come on bro like he he eating but like I feel like Marshall even though your personality like heena ah your journey man I ain't trying to be you know like it is what it is well I take that fight if I can get that fight I love that fight you might be able to get that fight I mean you think so Joe I might not I mean with Chris Curtis I ain't know if I'm Gonna Knock that fool out and I'm a bad [ __ ] he is bro yeah oh it's a great fight for me but you can't stand right in front of that man so when he fought field uh Halls right yes Phil Hoss was beating his ass you know putting the jab on him you know I'm saying hit across like level changing you know on them uh and that's the thing about Chris Curtis he's able to just you know shrug off a couple of shots you know I mean and just be patient and just wait but when Phil Hall's got comfortable and just like you know feel
like he just flowing that's when he got caught yeah boom and took that one shot and then it was over with and everything else is one of those Never Say Die guys you know what I'm saying like he's always there he's always but I love it stylistically with you because if your style of fighting yeah yeah tell yourself in your last fight even though you lost your that third third round you showed why people love you you can't appreciate that God is pleasing yeah man well I went into that fight with the wrong um mentality the the same way I came out in the third I should have came out in the first and second because I was hoping and I was praying on because I was you know nitpicking on a lot of stuff you know I mean I was just talking about where he's from you know being Russian but not being a Frenchman so he like you ain't got a real home at the end of the day and people love me more than uh uh than you out here in Paris and I'm getting more love and they don't even know who you are like just little things like I'm talking about like uh eating up national Dean Cuisine like just like just just picking on the whole time but regardless though like that first round I was hoping that he was going to engage a little bit more but because of that size and because of that length that these guys have you know they will only fight me at Bay you know which is smart family is intelligent right why try to expose yourself and then the pressure too hard where I can catch you you know but I was hoping that he'd come in with a little bit more emotion you know but he didn't he kept poised he said he was [ __ ] with him yeah exactly man but you know he did his job you know but at the end of the day when uh coach said you know saying we definitely losing we had to pick that you know [ __ ] up in the third round I said say let's so I was like willing to get knocked out in order to go knock him out yeah that's the only difference that third round you emptied the gas tank I had to that was impressive yeah I'm surprised he survived that knee you know what I'm saying that crazy need I hit on him man so that's why I'm thinking like bro maybe fighting at my more appropriate weight class you know it's like George St Peter like you know uh moving up to 185 but he never stayed there because at the end of the day he
already knew that these guys would be big even if he's better as a fighter these athletes are just different now you know I mean uh uh and anything that you giving up whether it's size length strength like these all play a part you know when you're messing with some of the best people in the world yeah most certainly I think 170 is a much better weight class for you yeah yeah in every way and especially if you're really walking around at 181 sometimes I mean that so that's that's what I was like I accidentally cut down because I was just trying to I was just chilling like you know and I was eating whatever I wanted in Paris like I was in enjoying my whole time there you know so I was eating before waiting you know I mean wow if I just can't say that yeah you know what I mean I was at the restaurant you know I mean just just uh just chilling and uh my biggest thing is just like I'm not afraid to fight guys that's bigger you know I know that I'm giving up some type of you know um you know Advantage form because of the attributes and stuff but at the same time like my mentality is that that I'm willing to fight and brought with anybody that that stands in front of me you know because when I started off with MMA that's all I used to work with was bigger guys and sometimes I was like oh man I can actually take the advantage because I'm faster and my footwork is there you know I mean or I'm just better and or skill set wise you know because you already know like the heavier the weight class you know the less skills smaller weight class the more skills you know I mean flyweight division got some of the best fighters in the world if that's the case in the like 170s and 185s because I don't think that's the case I mean well I mean structurally when you see uh well even at 185 you still got a lot of guys that's not that good but they just powerful you know I mean uh but I would just put a great example you see a lot more Strikers and uh the 185 division but in 170 what do you see more Grapplers and at the end of the day in my in my humble opinion MMA is still structured for grappling it's still the structure for Jiu-Jitsu Wrestling Judo all that
stuff because at the end of the day you got to grab you got a clinch so I feel like the grappler the better Grappler is always going to win in MMA but that's just my opinion yeah most of the time yeah it's mostly not every time but like Leon yeah yeah that's barely come on now barely yeah but still it doesn't barely doesn't mean anything when you win the world Title by heaven like Ben Aston versus uh Jorge Marshall though it's a great situation where a flying knee you popping with but if they fought again that probably would never happen I think there's a bunch of factors there first of all you're dealing with a Ben askren that Ben askren this is all common knowledge now he had a [ __ ] up hit by the time he was already came in too late yeah he came in too late but but you've seen him with Douglas Lima Audrey you know like like when he fought those guys you know I mean it was a great MMA fighters like Andre I forget his last name like but he destroyed him yeah we just we're just wrestling alone yep Habib is a great example to me again because uh shout out to Michael Johnson right from St Louis you know he actually went to the same high school too as well you know I mean we got a little crazy story with that but uh you know he was the only person who really hurt Habib and could have had an actual opportunity to beat her beat right but Habib said what I'm gonna say take you now yeah and keep you now yeah so I feel like the majority of Grapplers is always going or the better grapple is always going to be the better strike I think it's the most important skill in MMA yeah because the grappler has the ability to dictate whether the fighter yes yes that's why when a guy like Bo nickel gets into the MMA world everybody oh [ __ ] okay thanks because it's just such an accelerated wrestle but but at the same time it still levels to it right sure because uh Aaron Pico I think is a great you know example because they rushed him too fast because he actually fought a dude named Zach Freeman who's uh from Missouri as well and uh experienced dudes like you know Zach Supreme was like the most talented but hard work can do you know I mean and he was a vet like so he had multiple fights in the game and then Aaron Pico even though like he's a what Olympic wrestler or something like that and then you know Golden Gloves boxing
all this stuff which is cool he didn't have the experience in the MMA cage right which is a little bit different you know and I feel like if you don't develop these guys skills and experience first they can get caught even though they got all the skill sets in the world they still just gonna get caught you know by somebody that's already been in that you know on that level did you see Aaron's last fight where he blew out his shoulder well he blew out his shoulder no no I didn't yeah he had the same thing that happened with TJ he dislocated his shoulder and then had to stop the fight he threw a left hook and it just popped out as it popped out so I'll be wondering like what these little injuries be coming from like that you know these wrestlers their shoulders are so [ __ ] by the time they get into MMA they have all these tears and [ __ ] and they're kind of barely holding on right right right right but I mean that's the things though because it might be happening like in training so if it's happening in training like you got to do something about like to to keep it or prevent it from happening you know because he was staying active then right uh Aaron Pico yeah you know he was uh so here it is they're trying to pull it out oh they're in the in the corner doing it yeah yeah yeah look they were trying to pull it up oh no I don't know I don't there's like a technique to pull on someone's shoulder no no ain't no technique today he's just pulling that thing I don't think that's he's trying to put his arm off yeah I don't think that's how it goes I think there's a way to do it I don't really I don't know necessarily think this guy is doing it correctly but he's trying he's trying is there a way is there a way you're supposed to do it you can definitely look it up and then like Mel Gibson slamming his shoulder that's not the right way but it's a common thing where guys blow their uh shoulders out yeah have you had any surgeries or any like major injuries yeah the only time I had surgeries uh when I got into the USC yeah yeah I had no like injuries like throughout the fight until I started fighting on the best promotion on the planet which I'm fighting the best fighters what did you uh what injury did you get uh ACL uh Terry a meniscus there
um uh some meniscus and uh as well as the orbital uh fracture in the Antonio Royal fight yeah uh yeah that was bad you know because I was saying to him you know and I was coming out I was coming off a loss of Alessio so that's who told my uh meniscus when he had kicked me with that roundhouse kick because I was ducking I was trying to box too much you know kick me outside my head but the way I fell ended up tearing you know saying my Meniscus and then uh after that fight that I had with him getting that surgery I went into the fight with Antonio Arroyo won that fight but he left you know a good little Mark right underneath my eye but found out that uh he had broke my orbital so did you have to have surgery in your orbital yeah yeah so they had to replace it like with a little Rod yeah so like the base of my like my eye itself uh like it was gone so like my my eye was just floating so I could have had a lazy eye you know so it was like yeah we got to replace this you know so you can have that wall back underneath that Foundation almost yeah can you feel it no no I mean yeah I can feel it a little bit like um like the soft part that you have here so I can feel like right here where it's a little harder you know yeah and they said if it was metal then I couldn't be able to compete so you put like a plastic one and I was asking like is that gonna affect it is it easier to break things like no it's hard to reach that [ __ ] so oh yeah actually makes a lot stronger because the bone is so like fragile so if it was metal you wouldn't be able to fight because that's what they said or something I don't know uh that's what they said like anything that's metal in your body you won't be able to compete you know I think that was coming from the year the UFC had hit him up and told them that hmm no yeah don't you don't say no quote me but that's what I heard the doctor tell you know oh yeah yeah maybe it's just in the face when they do because like uh did you see uh what was that dude who fought Canelo Billy Joe Saunders yeah where he he got his whole face caved in cheekbone everything up here here which one you think is worse that one or the uh Sage Northcutt when he got his stuff yeah that was a bad one yeah yeah and then you got uh who else got their face cake and they're sad because like these
multiples uh cyborg with a MVP that was probably the worst ever no right that that that's scary because it's supposed to be the hardest part of your head the hardest part where everybody breaks their hands and they caved in like like it got hit like a missile man it was nasty that was the wildest flying knee Michael Vena page is a bad [ __ ] dude yeah yeah I remember I went to fight him when I was in Bellator just to get my name out there for real for real but I just wanted to challenge myself against somebody like that because he had that style of like a traditional martial arts like Point fighting like Point fighting you know yeah but he was really knocking but he was knocking dudes out though you know oh my God yeah look at it that's his the Friday yeah look at all the plates he has in his [ __ ] head yeah and that was it for him man oh yeah yeah he was he said he was going to keep fighting after that and then I was like no unfortunately you can't big foe yeah let's see play that again Watch this here it is and like you could hear it too like if you can play with something that's nasty when you hear the pop oh you just heard break oh just heard it came in and a dude is tough as cyborg I've seen him riding in pain you would have seen me kicking my legs boy I would have been like out there swimming yeah and then look at MVP like the Pokemon I mean they caught Pikachu or something like that's crazy hey you show man for sure but he got his ass whooped by Mike burial that's a whole different type of style of fight yeah you know I'm sorry like you know you thinking because you got uh gloves on or you take the gloves off and like it's still gonna be a type of fight but bro like that's bone on bone yeah you know I mean and like that that takes a different type of Beast like the fight bare knuckle box Mike Perry is designed for that oh yeah he was made with it yeah I've always thought like it's kind of weird the elbows aren't covered by a pad your shins aren't covered by a pad your foot's not covered by your heels like they did the old school like y'all gotta start right in front of each other yeah and just get the bank yeah I mean
so uh I mean I like bare knuckle box very interesting but not for me no definitely not for me man yeah even if they come with a big check nah nah because it's amazing a little bit of hesitation I mean because I'm thinking about that check you know but at the same time though it's just like man your health is everything you know and people come out looking different you know uh poly malignaggy you know I'm saying versus artem yes it was crazy uh Paige man like like like Chris you get rid of your money you know what I'm saying like you you're a pretty ass girl like you know so you don't need to be in bare knuckle boxing Chris lieben he fought in bare knuckle box and it looked like he got hit with a hatchet yeah his whole face was busted nasty man and then you just get cut up because of the knuckles you know I mean so you just got all these little splits down here yeah I'm sorry bro just two what if it's too much but do you think that it's like does it is there an argument for doing that at MMA to for eliminating gloves because if you don't have glove if you don't have pads on your knees and your shins and your elbows and all the other weapons that you hit people with why do you have pads on your knuckles well that's good but the is the break of the hand you know right but it doesn't make it unrealistic to be able to just wild know they were trying to make a real list I thought they was trying to make it a sport it is a sport but it's a sport of fighting and if you have no padding all these other areas so let me show you a king of the streets this is real fighting right here so uh it's a KO a kots uh King of the streets yeah uh who was fighting uh no I don't know the name of these Fighters I'm just about to show you this okay like this it's a promotion this is real fighting at this element you know I mean because they fight outside they fight in a warehouse and uh as well um they don't have any bare knuckle like nothing this is king of this is real fighting this way UFC can't do this underground Fight Club yes everything like that because they don't want to get exposed out here just in case the murder get murdered is that a a mat like what are they fighting they're not fighting on the man that's concrete that's cement really that is cement yes
sir and uh they actually uh pretty popular right now with sneakers on well yeah that's a real fight wow sneakers bro you get ko'd and you [ __ ] body slammed on concrete that is so so one dude got rocked uh with a left hook right fell down and as he fell down the dude kicked him right in his face and like my man just sees it out oh my God now this is brutal but this is the closest thing that you get to a real fight because this is a real fight it's a real fight and the only thing that's covered is they're wearing sneakers why are you wearing sneakers though I feel like you shouldn't wear first of all you shouldn't be wearing running it's just getting piled right so you take your shoes off Joe before a fight um no I wouldn't but I wouldn't wear those you said you would I wouldn't wear those shoes I would wear wrestling shoes Skechers wrestling shoes wrestling shoes are lighter they have no if you have cushioning under your shirt under your soul that cushioning is making you unstable you move like if you have running shoes on and you're going side to side you're not fully planted on the ground like you are if you have wrestling shoes right right wrestling shoes would be the way to go big fast but you but in in a real scenario you would never have wrestling shoes on and getting ready and then you ain't gonna pause somebody like hey wait wait let me put these wrestling shoes because I didn't Banning street fights I I didn't known that element I used to work Security in St Louis and I worked security for like eight years bro too damn long but the only reason why I worked Security man because it was so fun you know I mean there's so many different stories there's so many different things that's going on and just uh just being out there in that environment because like and just regular life like ain't nothing going on for real you know what I'm saying just having a regular ass job you know and I'm fighting still and I'm just training but this is where like the fun part of it the nightlife you know what I'm saying almost being like I said the Jon Jones I'm glad I didn't get signed earlier in my career because I would have had a bunch of little crazy stories to tell you know what I'm saying no for real for real you know what I mean so
but luckily I was able to mature over time but regardless though like uh I just seen the street element where a lot of guys think because they trained Jujitsu because they trained box and they train you know MMA that they gonna be good fighting in the streets but they ain't no rules bro right I understand dude becoming like oh man I don't wanna fight you because you do got a beer in the hand they smashed the head yeah immediately but they not even seeing like just the body language right you're not paying attention to certain stuff you know and I feel like a lot of uh guys that train additional which is nothing wrong with training discipline but they don't they they use that alone they think that's gonna save them you know I mean you got to actually have the mentality that like you know you were going to end a threat at any given moment by using anything that is necessary right at that time you know and a lot of guys don't do that because I've seen guys on the floor thinking like this it's a Jiu-Jitsu match but it gets stomped out right yeah you know what I'm saying like it's like different things like that you know I mean so I feel like people be having the wrong idea when it comes to like Jiu Jitsu wrestling MMA like that ain't the core element of fighting itself well if you're fighting like those guys are on concrete that is a whole different ball game but that's especially with testdowns that's the real that's a real fight though and like I said I never do nothing like that that was for no amount of money you know I mean I bet they're not getting paid very well either no not at all they just going viral you know about you know but uh but besides that though but I do respect it because at the end of the day that is real fight oh it's real yeah period especially on concrete yeah if you're on concrete and you're fighting a wrestler yeah you're in deep [ __ ] you're in deep [ __ ] well hold on I didn't see Russell getting knocked out though oh that happens come on now you know because they thinking they thinking just double leg yourself but dude pulling your hair that's true too adding stuff to it like your own head button like right these you're only a wrestler yeah you know because you thinking like your actual form of wrestling trying to you getting
a wrestling stance like come on man like what are you doing like but I didn't seen it before like where people actually pick a stance like to get in that's not real fight right you you don't even show that threat you just make the move right you know what I mean and like I said you eliminate the threat as fast as possible you know I mean shout out to the uh Detroit dust you know I'm saying Dale Brown you know but he speaks about it as well because it's just like you you want to be in the most composition as possible if you among somebody that's trying to fight you you know I mean now if you know this about to go there like you shouldn't show that you want to fight them you should actually like be more calm and be more whatever and then once they actually make that move that's when you counter whatever and hit whatever part of the body that you can't wear just always be aware always be you know what I'm saying always be alert do you find that now that you're known and you become like a famous fighter do people [ __ ] with you now I ain't never been really [ __ ] with now but for real like I ain't never just had no type of problems like that um though yeah that's also part of it I I want you to carry yourself yeah I walk with respect everywhere I go you know what I'm saying so I never like be out of pocket never you know be out of line you know I mean so I never add any situation where anybody would want to fight me you know uh but you know me working security I guess I had opportunities where I could have jacked up a lot of guys you know that's when I was younger I was definitely effing up a lot of guys but that's not the security job to do you know you're supposed to de-escalate a lot of situations but you had a lot of guys that will you know you know try to press your patience right and I could pop on but I just keep it cool keep it calm and try to you know try to get people out the smartest way possible like hey bro you know what I'm saying let me holla at you outside real quick you know uh but then kick them out right you know what I'm saying like act like I'm trying to have a conversation with you and then hey hey man let me see we got something on your wristband break it off and then they gotta leave you know what I'm saying but you get you do have scenarios for myself like when I
was working uh security where guys will try to challenge you you know I mean and try to Buck up and stuff like that what you do have to do something but at the end of the day don't nobody really trying to because then you know they lose I'm on the I'm undefeated in these streets I'm glad you're out of that situation now that's a dangerous game to play I mean and I've been playing it for a long time you know and that's why I say like it ain't scary getting into that cage that that does play a factor yeah guys have been in street fights and a lot of them yeah it's calmer in the cage way more common because like it's the actual struck it's competition yeah you know what I'm saying like I got somebody right here on the side of me which is called a referee that if anything does happen he gonna stop the fight you know you don't got the industry element you know I mean because once you get knocked out I ain't seen dudes where they get KO and dude keep pumping boom boom yeah oh yeah and not stopping yeah like bro hey brother like bro you gonna do some life Bros like you kill this dude you know what I'm saying and that's why people die all the time you know I mean and uh regardless though but those scenarios in dealing with that type of stuff like I said I feel like I'm at home when I'm in the Octagon you know because this is where I feel like I'm free and then I can express myself freely without actually being judged for doing what I'm doing you know so that's why I love you know fighting in the UFC right now now when you look at your career going forward you've got this Chris Curtis fight you plan on winning that fight and then you want to drop down to 170. no I am point blank Point I was already I was already planning on moving down to 170 but what my manager told me I ain't trying to you know put his stuff out there like that you know uh I'm signed with Sucker Punch uh Brian Butler but he was telling me I can get a better contract if I sign one more fight at 185 okay you know UFC offered you this fight they want to make an exciting fight for this business that's a great game and they love it right yeah I mean uh because it's not one fight that the UFC gave me that I did not I didn't took every fight I was even supposed to fight Alex Perez fan really yes sir yes sir so I had to
reside out Hassan fight right we supposed to fight the first card of the year in January he's talking about the shoulder hurt you know I'm saying he did something to his shoulder whatever blase blase you know so I was like man forget that bro I've been training hella hard like just give me anybody you know what I'm saying so if any result because I'm not gonna push that fight back I want to fight in January whatever so he's like all right all right let me uh Brown was telling me all right let me call him back whatever and let them know and uh they came back with a name and he like he was so hesitant to tell me though this is the funny part right so he was like oh man you know I don't really like this fight for you man you know he's not really well known but he's pretty good and I already said it for him before he said it I was like Alex he said how do you know and I just already assumed just with my style and who he is because I always make sure I pay attention to who's on the roster I got a person even though nickel you know what I'm saying like even though he's not know her yet that's still a name that people pay attention to and people want to see him do well so I pay attention to Fighters like that and knowing that Alex Pereira really only got signed because he beat Izzy I was like that's somebody to pay attention to so when I was able to guess that name he was like yeah that's the that's the fight they want you to fight media I say yes to it so he calls them back and he calls me back was like hey I got some good news I got some bad news I was like oh what's up he said good news you look great to the UFC uh that you taking this fight you know I mean but bad news is they said they won't be ready in time and at first I was like oh man this dude being scary but now it makes sense it ain't scary to cut the weight um he got so much weight because he begged him up you know so it wasn't that out for her wouldn't be able to take the fight because I think his coach or whoever his trainer is the one that declined because of the time frame wasn't messing up it's time to come he needs time to cut away you know I mean but I would I would have took the fight though because I already know that he has to cut a lot of weight he was walking into the cage like 220. he's
easily easily bro you know what I'm saying because he's walking around 240. he's got so much power what are your thoughts on that fight this weekend because that's a big fight uh my thoughts on it bro like is way different from everybody else's you know I mean because people call me crazy all the time but I think it's gonna be like the same fight that we've seen your well and Izzy with well you got two people just staring each other down you know not trying to make that move because you so you know they both had the capabilities of knocking each other out or Francis and Gano versus the Derrick Lewis you know I mean uh so and with everything the hype being behind this fight too you know uh Izzy is going hopefully like I said if you don't apply his emotions into it like he hasn't done with every other fight I feel like he's going to do enough to win but I feel like Alex Ferrer is not going to be able to apply that pressure uh on uh Izzy just because he won't have the energy to sustain that for five rounds remember that's a five round right because this is the fact that he's cutting so much weight thank you you know I mean and then plus we don't see uh Alex Pereira move a lot anyway right in his fights right you only seen with Bruno Silva where he pushed him up against the cage a lot and that was a good fight to watch very good fight to watch no he's a hit in that fight we got touched up real good real silver is a very good strong big facts you know I don't know say good but I go what you're saying he's in your weight class yeah I know yeah yeah I'll be seeing guys and I'll be like this is why they winning these fights you know what I mean so I know that you're not a boxer I know that you're not a kickbox not a heavy Striker because he's more of a juicy more of a Grappler but Bruno said we got good power right you know what I'm saying so you're able to Wing some of the punches because a lot of times like Bruno silver be getting his ass well even Jordan Wright was touching him Jordan Wright was touching uh Bruno Silva but then you know Jordan right just got stood in front of him it don't take that much in the four ounce slugs and that's why this Pro rare fight is so interesting though because bahara has that you just need that one
shot power he just need that one shot but the thing about uh is he he is patient and he would uh well we're not gonna call it born but he would strategically break you down all night long for 25 minutes but the problem if you gotta if he got to touch that leg all day you don't touch it yeah you know if you ain't gonna do nothing about it if you're not gonna answer back that's what he gonna do but I feel like in my heart you know I mean that Alex were unfortunately doesn't have the actual ability to fight Izzy the way he needs to win for five rounds for five because he's so big yeah that's one of the reasons but I just think between both of them it's gonna be a boring fight it's not gonna be as exciting as people think it might be and that's the thing is he needs that type of exciting fight right now you know because uh the Jared canonier fight you know we can say Paula Costa but that was so hot how long the 2020 um you know what I'm saying so we we've been expecting this from the champ because he's so popularized outside the cage with you know the french tips the pearl necklace you know I mean doing all these little videos and and dancing and all that just show me stuff but we want to see that showcase in the cage as well you know and that's my biggest thing I'm impressed by Izzy and I'm a fan of Izzy first though but I feel like if you don't bring a fight to him he's not gonna bring it to you that makes sense yes that's what you're saying so like he's like the dance yeah yeah yeah big fat I mean people forget that there was quite a few fights where Anderson Silva did the same thing he laid Talus latex remember that fight yes yes you know there was many fights where you know he laid back and waited for guys to come out with uh the Damian Mike yeah you know what I'm saying and I mean boy Danny was mad about that boy you know but at the same time that's that's what he won yeah you know because why would I why would I engage with you knowing what you trying to do right you understand yeah so like I said with that being said I'm not mad at Izzy because he gonna do whatever it takes to keep that belt that's the money right you know Alex Perry wants that but the thing is though I don't think his ability is going to beat her in
order to take it away from you know and they just gonna be standing right in front of him and it's going to be a kickboxing about and they were like oh well the other ones with kickboxing but you already seen from Izzy well I was a little bit more emotional in those other fights and that's why I lost but then you see the Strategic Izzy now I don't I don't see uh alexford beating interesting very interesting I'm yeah I take into account what you're saying about the five rounds and the weight cut because that is a big factor that's a big that's a huge respect yeah because Alex is so big but without the wrestling threat because Izzy's not really a guy who takes anybody down somebody say yeah who out there wrestling right so everybody think like oh is he gonna turn into a wrestling no he ain't no you you only fight the way you train yeah you know and not saying you don't work on that element of wrestling but I don't see Izzy like shooter jab shooting across shooting hook and double it no that's not gonna happen I mean if it does I'll be stunned I'll be shot I'm sure he can do I'll be shocked but then again so now you got to engage with and that boy a sniper out for real can we pull up that uh if you don't mind please uh sniping with the arrows yeah when he shot the soccer ball bro man that that that's crazy because my biggest thing is though like Alex Perez the same type of Beast too right he's the Trap he waits all day and once you expose yourself or you come close enough he hits you like Sean Strickland exactly oh yeah Sean said right in front of him oh but it wouldn't even just standing right in front of he was marching him down with his hands down well he had he keeps his hands like here's a very strange style yeah so here's him yeah I ain't gonna lie this was cold it's pretty bad this was cold that's pretty badass and it ain't one of those special little arrows either like bow and arrows like there's one of them he's a maid in the house well he grabbed a stick and grab a string yeah that's a recurve bow that's a hard much harder bow to shoot than what I shoot I shoot a compound bow man that's that's his real skill yeah look at him that that Roar that he has is terrifying I'm very excited about this fight man I
don't know you know what kind of preparation he's done in terms of getting himself lighter for a five round fight and making sure that the cut is not as bad I don't know but he looks shredded shredded man and he looked like he killing himself to make that weight that's all I'm gonna say he certainly is losing a lot of weight to make that way he killed himself to get to that weight um but like I said he's done it many many times but you see Izzy doing all his press doing all this stuff now be honest with you I'd be like it's a positive thing but at the same time like I ain't never seen him do this much work before or preparation for a fight when it comes to like selling yeah press yeah yeah but they make you do that I mean it's just mass and Square Garden but this is the most I've ever seen I pay attention to these Fighters all the time because you know they're in the weight class right I want to be these guys right I want to take their belt right so I pay close attention to what they do all the time and especially Izzy because he's a champ you know uh so besides it just being uh ESPN plus you know he got his own YouTube channel and everything like that and I mean like I feel like he didn't it up even more and there's nothing wrong with that that's either showing me that you have a lot of confidence you know about yourself and you were able to uh take this fight and want to say not so serious but not as serious because you got you doing other stuff on top of this right as per is only focusing on training and fighting right now there ain't no press for him for real for real you know what I mean so he's taking it into initiative I'm talking about Izzy to promote this fight as best as he can so you also taken away from your training at the end of the day right so that's but I feel like he thinks he's good enough to do what he's going to do in order to take a uh take time away from his training but isn't that just with the UFC obligates him to do because pay-per-view points not with everything but he has pay-per-view points I feel you but I feel like he also is the only one that speaks English Alex doesn't speak yeah true true story so that makes it difficult yeah but I feel like a lot of stuff he's been doing on his own as well
um doing some extra stuff you know which I don't mind it because you got to promote the fight you got to do whatever you got to do in order to get people to buy in you know and be honest with you it's not that hard of a buy-in because even without being able to speak English he's the only person that beat him only person that knocked him out right you know what I'm saying so that's that's an easy sale on itself so my thing is why I'm saying trying so hard you know me like this is the one that if I wasn't an MMA hit and I was just like whatever just watching this stuff I'm like oh okay that'd be interesting to watch dude that already knocked them out this dude is undefeated MMA but still could be a close fight I'll watch it you know but Izzy is is going about his uh weight and like I said I don't know what's going on in his head but I feel like he's not trying to think about the fight itself even though it is the press conference and all this other stuff he's trying to get himself more calm right he want to be around more people I forget who it's another fighter that talked about that and the reason why he always stayed um you know in the present in interviews because it it took him away from the fight um you know they always want to be in the light I forget what I know what you're saying so you know the more you do other stuff you could just have fun exactly and you ain't got to actually focus on the the uh the actual Mission itself you know you just go to the mission you know so I don't know it's it's two ways to go about it you know and I feel like if Izzy goes out like I said emotional he will get caught you know so I feel like he needs to keep doing like even when you play around like oh I might just kick his leg and just jab him the whole fight do that even with him joking do that yeah you know because at the same time that's how you've been winning your fights whole time a lot of a lot of them the thing about bahara is he's there to get hit he he can be hit he treats him you said it right yeah mahogany tree he is that like he's made out of you better not run into him though yeah you understand yeah he's like built different man he's so dense yeah big fat I mean I mean just the way he hit guys with that left hook right
and it's the crazy part it's not just him knocking him out but they all fall the same yeah they fall like they just shut off but they got shot yeah it's crazy yeah I never seen that before like I see like even with Mike Tyson when he knocked out guys at least they fall whatever like in different type of ways but like you said it's like he almost killing these guys yeah it's like a straight you know blank shot today boom and then like they whole body just shuts down like the LFA knockout that he did I don't know who to do he knocked out find that fight yeah I mean he's a [ __ ] with that left hook but he's a [ __ ] with everything you know when he knocked out Jason Wellness you know hit him with a head kick and a fight he had that many fights but I don't know did you see his loss though which one you only had one and no no no no oh my bad so uh MMA yes yeah he got submitted correct he got submitted yeah yeah but it was uh so have you seen it though yeah I did I saw it a while ago so it's hard to find I had found it one time and that's why I gave me a lot of conferences like to fight buddy right just seeing the fight that he had against dude and trust me dude was taking a lot of punishment don't get a twisted it was tough as hell you know but just seeing how that guy was able to persevere through that right and still uh clinch up against Alex Pereira and wear him out and make him tire and get him to the ground and then eventually end up submitting them I was like bro I'm gonna put that dog work on um that's the type of style that I bring I don't care who I'm fighting I'm still gonna bring that style I don't care who you is you know I mean so all I need to do is see that like oh you ain't got that great of condition and it's not that you don't work out harder you don't train hard you couldn't always wait to get there your body ain't never gonna be a hundred percent I also think that was very early in his approach to MMA and that was awesome okay but like six months later he was in UFC but it was also before he was fighting Glover or training with Glover I think that made a big factor in both globe and his career my dad but he's still fighting the same way to me right like I said I look at the last loss like like even with um I haven't lost with with Izzy but like
with the fight with Kevin Gates when he got touched the most you know and that's the fight so here's this is this is what is this this is kickboxing lost yeah no he lost a few times yeah I see this one oh that's a good kick yeah yeah he got caught but I think is he beat uh homeboy right there though left hook uh he's lost before yeah of course but again this is Alex early in his career but this this kickboxing though man you know and this is what I'm trying to say like if I fought Alex Pereira I'm putting the single in them you know right like I'm not gonna play with you like you know I'm gonna take the fight where I feel like I have more advantages at yeah he lost his last kickboxing fight in Gloria very very close decision uh to I forget the gentleman's name but this Russian cat who's uh God I was dead like I said yet again dude standing right in front of them yes dude standing right in front he's setting up that trap you know yes yeah not only that is he called that he he was actually in the dressing room and he offered that fight and that that's Bruno yeah man you know he just got that little 50 Cato for fighting tonight but he he's just a one-round fighter though I feel like well he fights wild yeah so uh this is the Bruno Silva fight which is the only fight that he went in the UFC to decision but you see Bruno Bruno hit him with some shots bro clench with him here put the dog fight on but ask for her show he a dog too though you see him oh you're still coming back boom but he got impressed Up Against the Cage though look he don't move his feet though he's standing right in front of you and Bruno survived we have to put that out I mean and guys have finished Bruno yeah he survive against prayer but again I mean the bells saved him a little bit Yeah Bill say them a little bit but again you fight a guy like him like if this fight even though he walked out of it with a decision that took something away from Bruno when you get a beating like this against a guy like pajera you know that's also how I feel about Francis and gano's first fight with steepe Stipe won that fight but man he took a lot of punishment
yeah a lot of punishment and I don't think you're the same after that there's certain fights where Fighters fight that was the strong Strickland ones Sean Strickland was like almost like Taylor Made for him so this is what I want to say too because uh the reason why they need Alex Perez because there's nobody that's going to be able to uh well not nobody because I could have done but regardless it's three walls that's saving Izzy right you know what those three walls is Rob uh Robert Whittaker Marvel toy and Jerry Kennedy if you were a fighter upcoming mad fact national team right just I lost to him if he's trying to work his way up into fighting for a belt you gotta fight one of those guys right if you can't beat those guys you not finna fight right no but I feel like Alex Pereira get exposed if he fought any three of those well I think that's one of the reasons why they fast-tracked him to the title because of the fact that it's hyped up yeah it's a big fight I think Marvel is a very tough fight for him marvatory Robert Whittaker and yeah you know Victoria in particularly really good at takedown's big [ __ ] big biggest win big as [ __ ] yeah yeah you see that guy like how the [ __ ] is that 185 pounds I mean shoot Paul Acosta Man actually that was that's one of the best fights I've seen in a minute between him uh marvatory and uh uh Holocaust yes because they both fought at their natural way right right anyway didn't cut it because at first I gave that same prediction at first I was like bro these guys find that 185 it's gonna be the slowest drag Down fight because both of them gonna be depleted but instead Paula Costa didn't come in because he's like um I don't want to cut with man I don't want to be what you said 205 or something like that he was like no don't forget that on Friday 25 man I want to be heavyweight cause like my man came in damn near like a heavy weight nobody say you know so even though they made that 205 like uh light heavyweight uh weight together they were both just walking around you know what I'm saying the craziest aspects of MMA the day before a cage fight you're supposed to dehydrate yourself dehydrate yourself to the point of death yeah yeah um it's wild ain't it wild yeah it doesn't make anything and
I'm trying to go back to it with my crazy ass but my thing is though it's just understanding they just keep getting bigger yeah you can do it you know and uh my biggest thing is like I'm not scared but it's just I gotta be smart right you know and uh you know being able to fight these guys you know I gotta realize like I got to be safe in the first and second round yeah you know that's why my like one of the main event because I feel like I could definitely put that pressure had a condition and go 25 minutes on the guys that's in middleweight right yeah so we can fight a little bit smarter but only having three rounds I can only do so much right right and that's what happened in the national game fight yeah I ran out of time yeah so I played myself you know uh but yeah these guys man like it's just crazy just to see the development of 185 so a lot of these guys that's going up into the rankings and stuff like that if you're not fighting those three guys right there and you don't beat them you're not gonna fight the belt so now that Alex Perez was able to skip over the head like he was a knight like you playing chess was able to skip over those three pawns and now he's getting the king you know what I'm saying so hey that's lucky him you know I ain't even mad at it because we want to see something that's different in my eyes though I just don't see it because I don't believe Alex Perez has the skill set necessary to fight this type of style that we need to see is he against and what type of style you think that is aggressive Grappler for pressure good hands Kevin Gaston like even though Kevin Gaston lost right that another style like that a southpaw I don't believe that's the only South part of the default I believe uh Izzy South Park too oh yeah well I didn't do nothing you didn't do the oil was been imperfect but he's still like this you all might be 60 years old we don't even know how old he is then he win like a lawsuit or something like didn't he get paid like I don't know like somebody was talking about supplement it was supplement like retain it whatever like he got a bag from it like yeah something happened I don't know how much you got yeah okay but he just won his last fight in Bellator he did who you win against
um oh no no actually I think I probably might know Melvin Manoff yes and I hate that because Melvin Manoff was one of the guys I looked up to oh God it was a pure sap like that was the Mike Tyson kick boxing yeah 100 come on now 100 like like but just seeing like guys the Gladiator shorts knocked out Mark hunt yeah I know how about Mark hunt knocking out that undefeated fighter at 48 years old you see that [ __ ] first of all Mark in Australia Mark hunt still fighting still fighting one he won his last fight he won two yeah hey shout out he's he fought this undefeated boxer yeah and uh knocked him out he was like a huge Underdog and wound up knocking him out that's why he's 48 years old and that's but my thing is yo why you think that is though like not why he knocked him out but why do you think these guys continue to fight like this at this age well I think Mark Hunt is born for it first of all okay he loves it he's been around forever I mean Mark hunt was the K1 Grand Prix Champion you know fought in Pride and the Glory Days of Pride fought in UFC and the Glory Days of the heavyweight Division and still slinging leather at 48 years old yeah but massive response I think like with all that being said and done like you think like you be done I don't know man you know like what more do you have to prove and show and do like Anderson like Anderson Silva man that broke my heart when you lost to Jake Paul oh bro and like hey you got this little kid bro like you know and he doing his thing right you see that he's an athlete you see that he's working on his uh his style of fighting you know I mean when it comes to boxing but at the end of the day it's still he picking up he picking at every MMA hit right and he he's fighting Tyron Willie Ben Ashton now Anderson Silva and then guess who he said probably gonna be next right Jake Paul no um uh Andrew Tate oh actually they just posted they just face they just FaceTime but the name the name that he was talking about was Diaz though yeah first at first well the Diaz fight is a big name and a big money fight but he's a lot bigger he's a lot bigger but that's that's the point yeah he wants as much he is doing it smart but at the same time he embarrassing all of us like for real like and it's sad because like he's
saying and all these different things and he's talking about having these real conversations that need to be had but it's coming from him he means about money you are you know but it's not but it's not a conversation for him to have but it is it is because it helps him get attention and yeah I love what he's doing I hate it I hate it I want to be today but you're a fighter and I'm gonna get a check for it too yeah but it's not it's not because I'm just a fighter because he's telling us that we're not even brave enough to fight for ourselves so I'm gonna fight for y'all while I'm knocking out y'all Legends in the process of it you know what I'm saying he's what he's doing is very intelligent I don't know it's the promotions off the chart he's hilarious he's he's Brash and he's winning and he's winning but is who he's winning against though yeah but Anderson Silva you gotta say that's the most impressive fight that he won you got to say Anderson Silva is a legend maybe he's 47 years old but that's the thing I had Jake Paul to win you know Jake Paul was going to win just because the age is so you know I mean and then uh on top of that I didn't see Jake Paul knocking out Anderson either though you understand I just knew it would be competitive uh enough for Jake Paul to take it you know I'm saying take the win uh but at the same time it's just like bro like if you fought Anderson when he was you know saying in his prom where you getting knocked out right well you talking about most certainly in an MMA fight mostly not even most certainly in the MMA fight like Anderson used to box boxes bro and that's the thing too I hate about MMA dudes like since we on here like a lot of these dudes be like ah box Canelo or odd box you know what I'm saying Mayweather and all this stuff but never getting the actual ring and uh uh just train and spar with actual real boxes from like whatever little the neighborhood you know what I'm saying like I used to actually box with the guys from the neighborhood and Page their boxing like Josh uh Temple you know uh uh uh Vaughn Alexander Alexander's brother you know like I had to actually work with actual boxers to be like oh this is a different type of game yes you know but when you just
boxing with the guys that's in the MMA room and you thinking like because you touching them that's you pretty decent you gonna find out if you actually get in with a real boxer before you actually compete with them that yeah you you don't know what you're doing you know because it's certain little combination and there's certain like cadences that we do as MMA fighters that will get us knocked out from a boxer you have you thought about competing as a boxer but the thing is though it's so deluded because the the whole perception of MMA guys won the box is because of money because I would never just get into it for money my biggest thing is I will actually commit myself to the sport of boxing right I would get me a boxing coach like when uh even George St Pierre like I feel like he could have been pretty decent you know had a great job in MMA but you see he was working with who Freddie Roach right you know right and uh Anderson Silva also found a boxing coach I I forget who who he was working with as well but you could see him that he was training that or a boxing and he was could actually compete in the actual ring so you would need a timeline you would need yeah it definitely how much time do you think you would need oh well since I've already been working with boxes for a minute and I got a great uh boxing coach at the STL boxing uh Reggie Thomas shout out to him uh I probably only need like two three years to actually find me a profile you know and actually work but that's a realistic assessment I'm glad you said that two three years is correct oh yes sir yeah you can't just hop into it a year time ain't just gonna work right yeah and be and then I'm not just gonna call out the best in the world right you know powerful pound I'm gonna work my way up right I'm gonna get some Knockouts I'm gonna get some good little names I'm gonna get some prospects and then I'm like once y'all see I got a resume now now let's see what them names talking about now when you're talking about your future like how many more fights you have on your UFC contract man I'm gonna keep that on oh how many do I have on my contract right now yeah uh I just signed I just signed so I uh I still got four I guess yeah so the CC is the new fight on the on the contract so
when I got a four fight contract when you get over those four fights when you're done have you seriously considered I know exactly what my plan is what is your plan oh yeah I can't give up yeah all right yeah yeah I can't tell you the plan now but you do have a master plan I got a master plan babe it's beautiful too yeah yeah so yeah so we're working on it so ideally when when you move to 170 do you have a name in mind oh man yes sir so so my big first off you already shot it out wanna I'm off you though I didn't even think about him miles at all I didn't even think about him right but foreign book with Jeff Neal I feel like if somebody fall out in that fight I would love either one of those guys if somebody falls out right you know I mean right um because both matchups between me and Jeff Neal we kind of fight similarly right so it'd be a test of skills right there and shakop we just don't know about him yet like we gonna find out how good shout out is when you fight Jeff Neal if he does oil if he fights me we will really see how good he is you know when is that fight supposed to be taking place all right no clue I just know they uh 23rd oh okay is that a fight night fight yes oh I might go to the Apex for that is that the Apex yeah dude I love going to the Apex I went to the Apex uh recently I watched uh um song you dong and uh Cory Anderson no uh now you might have said it uh of course sorry Corey Anderson shout out to Cory Anderson it's killing it in Bellator um but sanhagen and Sonia Don was a wild fight and to be there live with like very few people in the crowd and right that Apex is something special man I you know I hated the fact that Fighters had to fight there during the pandemic but I love being there I think for me right now like uh even shout out to my man Charles Johnson he got a fight coming up you remember Charles yeah finally in the UFC you know I mean a little dangerous Flyway big facts man so we got another fight November 19th and uh in Vegas uh but I feel like it's just a good start for a lot of guys in the UFC you know I mean sure get their feet wet in the Apex you know I mean you know because the lights ain't so bright you know it's not like a whole Arena and
stuff like you still got an audience you know you still get a little feel for it but like I feel like that's where guys need to start off at you know I mean at the Apex and then work their way up to a bigger venue type stuff so I would agree with that I think the Apex is a good start off you know for a lot of guys okay it does not have a location they don't it might not be there Kelvin versus uh that's the main event it's a very good fight that's a very good fight but I think Kelvin gaslin could have been a world champion at one seven uh mostly I really do he's just like eating he loves eating too much versus Jeff Neal is good and that's the thing though I know how talented Jeff Neal is so we're gonna really see how good shout out is and Carlos Hernandez and uh nacimiento is a great fight Hernandez is the guy that uh submitted um [ __ ] is his name uh that that [ __ ] gigantic Jiu Jitsu guy oh my God is that fluffy yeah okay okay I know his real name okay that's good okay but who is he fighting in so who is Fluffy fight uh was it again he's a very good fighter too that's a good fight it's one of them underrated fights yeah there it is who was that oh no stop playing he's good how dare you how dare I what he's a good fighter all right Thursday okay 19 196 oh 13 oh so you uh submissions yeah he's a Brazilian cat he's very good man okay he's very good that's a good fight I'm excited about that fight oh no no okay so this is a 125 in it so fluffy ain't the right dude I'm talking about that's 125 that's 125. oh so that's a different Carlos Hernandez oh it is okay also like I don't recognize I pay attention this is his name yeah I don't know who did he uh he he just won recently as well hey you know what's funny about this though they called it the Kevin Holland effect right because Anthony Hernandez and myself lost to Kevin Holland right Rodolfo Vieira that's right he beat that was the big fight that was huge yeah a lot well not a lot of people in his last fight too whoever betting on him to win by submission got some good money crazy money yeah because that that is a unheard of the fact that he did that it was able to submit one of the greatest
Jiu Jitsu guys to ever compete in MMA and that that's another guy that's enormous for that weight class oh if you're standing next to Viera you're like how the [ __ ] are you making 85 it's so big so on top of just talking about that right so a lot of people on the internet man they be going crazy man but they was like it's the Kevin Holland effect because Anthony Hernandez Hernandez also lost the camera and then I lost right so when I came back I did my crazy kick after losing to him right after he came back he did his crazy like uh you know submission on you know what I'm saying nobody expected so he was like man hey it might be a good thing to lose to Kevin Holland man you might have your crazy little next fight my name blew up after that and then his name blew up right you know what I mean and it was all just like so it's just crazy how the internet to be going wild like that you know it is interesting to put things together one big moment can just like catapult your career yeah right well only I feel like it's only in MMA brother right like that you know because like you see a multiple dog you see a Diaz you know I mean where they of course they didn't take losses but all they knew was a couple wins a couple good finishes bro and their name was you know saying massive you know yeah at the end of the day you know well that's also why you fight the way you fight to get those big moments yeah because you're you're like one of the most fan-friendly Styles that's in the sport well it's just the people I used to watch and who I used to love watching so I just imitated them man like I said so Melvin Manoff was one of my favorite Fighters bro to watch Rampage Jackson man with his personality outside the you know UFC and stuff and uh you know a lot of these guys that you know I used to be a fan of those are the people that I emulated my style after and I just matched my own type of style into it Melvin man Jesus Christ it's Marvin in his prime yeah it's so fun to watch without a doubt one of the most all-time scariest fights letters it's pure Savage man and my man was only what five what eight five seven yeah it wasn't good and he was fighting like uh like Tyrone spawn like uh uh who else did you fight um the the Gohan Goku dude what's his name yeah yeah you know I mean
yeah he's like no forget that set down so fast Melvin and his prime was so fast and so Savage those kicks were just insane yeah about a whole different level man yeah but he was one of those guys out of Mike's gym those Do or Die guys you know just like batahari you know whatever they're doing in that gym man they are creating monsters I don't even know if if it's the gym but the people that they bring in you know like the type of um lifestyle that you live and then your upbringing is the biggest thing and that's what makes for a great fighter you know and like you know I don't know much of Melvin Manoff you know past anything like that but they they were just talking about how you just come from humble beginnings and everything like that and how life was hard you know I mean and I believe we was talking about Francis and ganu you know uh yeah in the back whatever but we're just talking about you know how great of a fight he is because all the things that he had went through you know and when you see him walk around and the way he carries himself you could just tell like can't nothing phase right ain't nothing hurt him right just a Fearless fighter you know what I'm saying but it was all because of what he experienced in his life that led to like I said so making fighting real easy now did you hear the story that he told on this podcast of course crazy wow crazy awesome movie type stuff you know what I mean like come on bro you know and just to believe like to keep going through that right yeah like he did he and that's the thing too like he could arrest dying to go like you know I'm saying do that journey I know but multiple times eight times they get arrested you know what I'm saying sent back to the desert right and he was like okay I'm gonna keep going until I get there yeah like come on now that's the perseverance right there that's a real perseverance yeah bro so yeah that that right there alone like I said you can use those as examples that people actually go through to not stop doing what you're doing because I almost gave up on dream on some [ __ ] you know I mean like that's awful so like back in the past like when I used to have a gym uh infinity MMA
uh that's where I started that's where I developed my skills a little bit you know uh but the promoter himself uh me and him like we was real close you know it was almost like on a father and son relationship type thing you know and uh at the end of the day you know I was never looking at it as business you know he was uh always bugging me up for fights and always you know uh uh putting me out there on like a main event or the main card and stuff like that and people would come and watch me fight and I would be cool to do it because I just wanted to fight you know that's all I wanted to do I had no other intentions not even making money I just wanted to compete and that was it and you know not saying he used me but he used me you know what I'm saying technically because he making money he making good money you know so the only thing about your overall career he wanted to keep me stuck in the in St Louis but I didn't know no better anyway right you know I you know so my thing is I didn't want to reach out and find different other places to fight because I'm like [ __ ] I'm getting fights here because he's a promoter you know so uh at the end of the day you know um once I started to grow as a fighter and stuff like that I ended up getting back Bellator Fight I only got like a one fight contract deal when Bellator came to St Louis so they do stuff like this right Bellator concert St Louis and they assigned like the local fighters on the freelance right you get a one fight contract deal but you would just fight the dudes that you would have fought on the local promotion you know anyway but now you just fight them on the Bellator show but I end up showing out for Bellator end up going crazy I thought uh know his name I know his name uh Sam bro that's sad bro you know I'll be forgetting my man's name sometimes man but I think his name like Chris something anyways I end up beating him beat him in the second round uh this is when I first met Big John uh McCarthy right so this is the first time like a big promotion a big name referee actually like referee in my fight so end up beating dude you know end up getting signed uh to Bellator later on but before I had signed to Bellator uh I looked for Jesse for advice I was like hey man should I read all these contract
he's like your son like don't even worry about it like this is the best contract you will ever see in your life just sign a contract right so I end up signing a contract doing whatever you know I mean ended up taking my first loss uh in Israel whatever once I took my first loss they kind of held me back for a minute you know I got a KO lost against Jackie Ross but like it took like seven months eight months before I could even get back into actually competing whatever but I was already ready I was like bro I can fight again like I'm good you know because sometimes they'll put that uh restriction on you for you not to fight for a certain amount of time after kale but I was already cleared I'm like hey I'm ready to fight again so I end up getting another fight and this was with uh um Justin uh Patterson I believe his name is yeah yeah so once I once I fought him whatever I had to string another fight uh string uh lay off another it was another like eight seven months again so with me I'm getting paid but I'm not really making no real money and all I'm doing is training all I'm doing is fighting I'm not doing nothing else all I'm doing is uh just focusing on that you know so I'm really kind of just living off of these checks you know and I'm not being smart about it because all I'm doing this is just like like all right this fighting thing this is what's gonna work out so they end up giving me pretty much uh four fights all end up fighting uh the venices De Jesus and they end up fighting uh Logan story whatever so I only have four fights within like two-year period so I went two one year into the other you know what I'm saying so not enough not enough I'm not even close no you need not to eat no and and also to stay active exactly right so but my thing on top of that just going into the store where I almost you know saying just gave up on it but you know I was like damn man I kind of just like lost out on a lot of experience you know I mean because like I was uh 22 when I got signed you know I was 24 then you know so I'm just like damn I could have had a bunch more fights than what I had so Bellator end up cutting me though right end up letting me go so with all this being said me and the promoter whatever we was bumping heads on a lot of things
because I was like bro I want to learn more I want to do more like you know I'm saying like but I feel like I'm being held back you know what I'm saying so he would never really communicate with me what was really going on you know and the thing is the only thing like my man was just using me for like the potential uh to get more clients in the gym because they would use my name like hey we got a Bellator fighter here he's a trainer here and all this other stuff and they would use that to sell like for like you know more people just to sign up for the gym you know and it is what it is uh but I just didn't like that you know so how did you get out of that I just left I was like man forget this gym you know I mean I literally just like man forget everything because once I got cut from Bellator you know I mean I just like man that's some [ __ ] because like this is the highest level of you know I'm saying promotion now I gotta go right back into fighting on Shamrock it's some [ __ ] right so I left the gym and I did my own thing but the thing is why I had no connections I have no network like you know I'm saying we're asking people to to reach out to um so when I was dealing with uh uh Jesse he he provided all them things from the gym uh uh uh the information for instructions and also the promotion for the fight you know so those are the main things I need and I didn't have it at that point you know so I had to hop from gym to gym and try to find me another spot for every gym that I found man was kind of whack you know I mean I was like bro these ain't the ones I want to be at you know uh because just like the instruction wasn't there or uh they wasn't able to find me fights it'd be like multiple little reasons so I was like man I won't just start doing this on my own so I started hitting YouTube like crazy you know and I started just watching and and and just being a student of the actual craft and actual sport itself like what were you watching on YouTube thousands of things man I mean it got to the point where it was so crazy I was watching Wing Chun bro like so Master Wu I don't know if you know him uh Master Wong I think his name is uh he does like a lot of self-defense uh moves you know I mean online but he he does funny
instructional videos and uh but I used to watch him all the time I watched uh Shane fast and I don't know if you know who that is no you know but uh actually if you can look him up like okay so he uh uh fight tips whatever and he shows like all different things but these are the things that was like the foundation to me chain fashion yeah fashion I don't know how to really spell his last name f-a-a-z-e-n or something um and you got it Jamie's got it and his so his YouTube channel is just oh yeah all instructions what's up like this so this is what I started off with so that's just his uh Instagram but it's his YouTube got like millions of followers on it though you know interesting and so his whole thing is just just instructionals big facts right oh Muay Thai rock paper scissors Theory oh okay so he's one of those dudes he's just breaking [ __ ] man you got countless stuff on there but you know and I'm and I'm not saying he's the best instructor at all but when you're talking about you just need more knowledge you need more information these are the type of videos that I was watching it's amazing how many of those there are out there it's so good you know for a young fighter it's such a good time to learn there's so much knowledge out there there's so much data and there's so many people like him that are obsessed with communicating yeah exactly and then he was you know he used to work with uh not work with but like he had for uh far as the hobby on there you know I mean breaking stuff down with them and stuff like that then I got to see different like real coaches and how to yeah so this stuff yeah Master Wong right here so like this was like the street fighting element and all this other stuff and different techniques but because I didn't know some of these guys be sometimes low-key like full of it right what is he telling you to do that I'm curious he's telling you to do that guys grabbing him what's the movie you have to turn it up a little bit it's not going very much my heavy down head but me it's not going to go very far either second thing you'll learn to understand okay this is the problem somebody come along and try to get your hand both into another and try and smack in the face you might be beat them up you might be
through something naughty I got no idea this is the question somebody asking me if somebody grab you in the color I'd pick you up what short thing do you do let me show you who my man can be a Santa comedian he's getting that interesting combination of like like an Asian accent with an English accent husband crap you like this you know yeah but well he's being entertaining exactly then and that's what it is at the end of the day but this is mostly like street fighting stuff yeah oh yeah self-defense stuff like just quick ways to like end a fight you know instead of like hitting combinations I want to one strike you know I mean in the fight type thing but regardless though so you go from that yeah to just watching YouTube videos training yourself did you have people that you were training with us yeah so so I was just working with the guys that I was working with at Finney's uh so my close friend the one that you uh just met uh eduard he's like a brother to me so we used to wrestle together in Marquette you know and I actually uh got him into MMA you know and uh the thing is you've been watching like the UFC you know I mean for the longest time but like the actual training of it he ended up coming to finish MMA only because of me you know so we end up training with each other and like I said once I split uh ways with them uh I was working with him the whole time so things that I would watch things that I would see on YouTube hey bro let's practice this let's do this you know and I actually got good at holding mitts you know I mean just because I want to see a lot of things and just work a lot of things that he couldn't perform like like actually hold for me so I had to hold it for him you know to actually get it down just a little bit and um be honest with you like I said that got to show me a lot of different uh just creative ways to throw your hands create a ways to throw combinations like you don't have to throw it like a box you don't have to throw it like a kickboxer like you can add those fun uh traditional moves in there with the fundamental Basics you know and that's what we was doing we just having fun and just doing that but the thing is though I wasn't able to find any fights while I was doing this type of stuff how much time was going on here between you leaving that gym so I
got cut in uh 2018 that's when I left the gym in 2018. and then uh I was able to get a fight in uh 2019 it was only a year's time but I felt like I got played with the the two years that in 2016 to 2018 I feel like I got I got played you know I mean and not having that many fights and I was still struggling as a fighter and I was with Bellator and I'm still struggling Loki you know what I'm saying so I felt like I wasted a good amount of time you know what I'm saying within that game but I didn't know when I was gonna be able to fight again that was the problem you know so even though it was only like uh [ __ ] well it was kind of close to two years but it was still like just a year some change that I was able to find another fight it still felt like it was so stressed out because I didn't see when I was gonna be able to find another fight so you were really considering quitting yeah yeah I mean well actually I wouldn't consider I actually did it so I went I went about the part was just training but I just gave up on actually like hunting the dream now I just got a regular job you know what I mean uh I was taking care of my grandmother at the time like which that was a big deal as well I had moved in uh with her because I ain't had no house I didn't have anything to my name game unfortunately my grandmother was uh stricken with uh ALS Lou Gehrig's Disease you know I mean and uh and that's a rough one you know there's a friend going through that right now yeah yeah I'm sorry to hear that you know um but uh it's a neuron uh disease where you know it shuts down all your motor functions you know yeah and it kills the muscles where it puts you in uh paralysis almost you know and uh that's what I was dealing with the whole time as well too so a lot on my mind outside of it so I was like man I can't be focused on trying to chase a dream when I gotta help my grandmother wash up and eat and all this other type of stuff you know uh so yeah I had to go through that first right and once I went through that it's funny how once I kept training and kept motivated with just my friends around me even my ride back that's one of the kids that uh trained with me at finish in May but anytime I called him up he'll work with me R.I.P to my man Ryan Sutton uh he was one of the guys that came out with me in my first uh UFC
fight uh but he passed away but that's another person I looked to and called uh in order to get some training in but it was just a small group of guys guys that I would call up to just ask to get some work in and these guys are the people that I depended on in order to my mental just to hit pass outside in Forest Park in St Louis you know and this whole time I've been doing that and I just stopped chasing after the whole goal of getting a fight and then one day a guy named Mike Rogers hit me up because I was you know coming in at his gym not in and out but just just coming there just to get some spawn working you know I mean but not actually like learn anything but just some spawn work and he told me like hey man LFA hit me up I was like oh for real he's like yeah man like if you want to uh I can give you a number whatever and then you can contact uh the Matchmaker yourself because he didn't want to do the in-between talk for me like he didn't want to be like a management because I ain't had no manager I ain't had nothing at the time uh so he told me about LFA and I ended up getting a fight with LFA against Chris Harris but the funny thing about that that little setup was that I only took the fight because I needed some money some extra money that was it but the way the only reason why I took the fight as well um because I couldn't find any other fight at welterweight so I had to fight at middleweight at 185 and they tried to tell me it was a catch way I was like what's the way I was like is it one uh uh I was like is it 175 or 180 it was like no uh 185 I was like man that's a whole weight class so when they told me that whatever I watched to do I did my own film study on Chris Harris I'm like I I take it it's easy money I need the bread anyway and funny enough that's why I stayed at 185 that's the only reason why I moved up because they didn't want to didn't nobody want to fight me at 170 it was away that whole time you know so I took that fight got that fight but I didn't worry about it once I won that fight and got that little check that I got from LFA I was back to work doing what I was doing just chilling and then a year later I still get another call this 20 20 now uh from LFA to fight Gregory Rodriguez I don't know if you know who that is RoboCop
yeah yeah yeah yeah split whatever he's a bad [ __ ] yeah yeah but but I need that bread at the time too so uh I took that fight with him it was going to be for a LFA title and uh you know unfortunately he had pulled out the fight you know so they had to find me another fighter and uh you know like I said funny enough me not even chasing anything but people just coming to me now I was able to get these fights you know uh so and when did you wind up at the new gym that that was that wasn't until the kick really yeah yeah I didn't have no team I just had the people I told you I was working with so even the Kevin Hart fight no team the guy that passed away uh RP Ryan's son uh he didn't want to help Corner me in that fight but he was just a teammate he was going through stuff in his own life as well so you were just kind of on your own training yourself yeah wow yes sir yes sir I didn't have fighting at a world-class level on your own training yourself in the UFC against top guys so just even be able to get there the way we got there is crazy in itself you know because like I said I only took those LFA fights because I needed a little bit of money but I wasn't like all right I'm gonna be in the UFC one day or right I'm working towards to be a UFC champion like I just was like I need money or just for my mental health I kept training no but I want you to speak to the difference in the structure like once you got to this new gym and all this structure that you're praising and all the way that your new trainer trains you in the new environment yeah yeah how much different is that and how much of an impact does that have on your career I think the biggest part of it was just uh the commitment that they had to me you know that I never got from that other gym like so all the information that I had to find on my own they had information for me um you know so I was actually learning you know so instead of trying to like figure out the information on my own already had people that was already great at what they did and they was showing me stuff you know and now I'm able to learn a little faster and more efficiently if that makes sense that is so incredible that you were fighting on a world-class level with no coaching nah I mean yeah well I
did have world-class coaches because you got to just imagine like the people that I've been watching for like influences as instructors on YouTube right like I said even from yourself bro like even if you don't call yourself a coach like that sidekick I only knew how to throw a sidekick because I watched your videos it's hilarious but it's the truth you know and uh I wish I was around to show you in real life even better right big facts you know I mean but even though you showed you with like the internet and everything and YouTube you showed a thousand if not a million people that get you know but it's about people actually taking that information and applying it to their own life if they want to you know and that's why I like Bruce Lee so much because like that's why you know Jake kundo is a such an awesome style because it was his own style right it was his own form of fighting that he took and he mastered but he took it from other places back when that was taboo big facts you know I mean that was very taboo even when I was doing Taekwondo you weren't supposed to do other things you were supposed to only concentrate on the art that you did big facts and Bruce Lee was like that's not smart not at all you know because uh your style of fighting should be like a fingerprint you know you should have your own style like you should it shouldn't be like a person like when you look at them you're like are they doing an MMA in my opinion are they doing kickboxing oh that's a wrestle like it's a mixed martial arts like you should be trying to pick the pieces in the puzzle like what they actually doing well you mostly see that now I feel Specialists now that are on you still do those low-key I mean I mean we getting there but I still haven't seen that actual like for real on some boy good like like I said man I'm from like you know me watching a lot of uh movies and stuff but like you know one of those complete Fighters you know except for like a uh Demetrius you know I mean or uh GSP you know ain't a lot of those out there though in my opinion well I think you're seeing more of them now than ever four but we have to also take into consideration that MMA in terms of real Sports is relatively recent yeah there's no sport like MMA where if you go and watch the fighters from 1993 and watch
it from 2022 they're completely different yeah Complete because the athlete changes though yeah you know um so that's why I would say that but I feel like yet again so like Habib perfect example you know he retired like he was only winning one type of way right you know he's a real specialist yeah yeah he's a real specialist uh but you know man good at that [ __ ] special Jesus Christ a lot of people can't stop it you know uh but I'm just trying to think like like good like people that they fight a certain type of style which is great for them in an efficient way but like a homs I wouldn't call him like a complete fighter I feel like he's just great at what he does and if he's able to fight another um Grappler he's able to switch it up to a striking prowess but even then Gilbert Burns was touching him yeah because I would say the merchant fight but like we only got he only got one punch out of that you know but you can't call him no great strike because he was able to land that one punch right but when I seen it he fought Gilbert and he started to stand with him like oh you're not a great Striker because Gilbert Burns is not a great Striker but he was able to land I don't know how many punches on uh homside in that Gilbert's a wild man Gilbert's a wild man yeah man you could be wild man all you want to but at the end of the day it still takes technique too but it's just one of those things where I think Hamza tried to walk him down and you know you you want to engage like that with Gilbert you're gonna get you know and like I'm not disrespecting these guys when I say but they good at what they good at you know that's all I'm trying to say like Gilbert Burns is a monster but you see when Hamza had took him down and Gilbert threw up them legs a couple times I didn't like that he's like let's stay on the feet for a minute right you know right and then I realized all Hamza ain't good at striking because he just stands right there and also I mean in fact I shouldn't even say it because I could potentially fight this man one day but one thing that he does that is that is terrible he only hits on one side he favors one side too much as a striker and we watch it all the time now you can take it back and watch uh hanza fight
but when you watch you but oh that's what he's talking about him he don't all day right right hands right feet you know up cut all day and he faves no setup everything just with power and intention to knock you out which is great and all but you still putting yourself in a you know in a position to get hurt were you stunned by that Kevin Holland fight with him uh no no no no I wasn't stunned because I knew hanzai was going to immediately try to shoot you know and Kevin is not like no real real wrestling you know he worked with DC and he said he works with Johnny Hendricks and all this stuff like it take years like I come from a wrestling background like bro I was an ass at a trash ass wrestler like in high school you know it took me years to kind of understand stand what wrestling is and I'm still trying to figure it out but I know I'm a better wrestler than the majority of guys that's um at the 185 division some of them you know uh but now I'm gonna have to focus on grappling even more because I'm going to a grapple heavy division right which is at 170. right you know you have um Kobe Covington tomorrow Kamar oozman you know what I'm saying like these guys are grapple heavy so if I'm able to get up to that level and be able to compete with them it just shoved uh stuff the shot I know that they couldn't compete with me on the feet um yeah um when you think about your transition from being self-coached to now being on on your own team how it's like you have so much potential right now it's so much potential to get even so much better this is all I get to focus on now you know even with um uh my grandmother you know um her daughter my auntie came back you know saying um to live with her to take care of her because I wouldn't be able to be in the UFC if I was able I had to keep taking care of my grandma because like that like Loki like people don't understand like that's a 24-hour thing yeah you understand and um uh it was sad because I had to leave my grandmother in the bed you know in order to go to work to Walgreens but I had to have a close job and I had to keep a monitor to watch her to make sure that she was fine you know and everything that she needed I had to leave the job you know and I had
to work overnights at Walgreens in order to make sure I check up on her throughout the day so I had to work the night shift you know I mean so when she slept I was working and then you know I'm saying so just little things like that you know that um it was hard to actually maintain an actual career as a fighter you understand I when I was a kid when I was 24 I lived with my grandmother for a while my grandmother and my grandfather and my grandmother had a stroke and um they gave her 72 hours to live and she wound up living for 12 years and I was there with my grandfather when my grandfather was taking care of her 24 7. and one thing that imparted upon me is that life is short and that you gotta appreciate your health and your ability to do things now and appreciate it in a way where knowing my grandmother When I Was Young when she was this this wild lady yeah and then seeing her my grandmother went to jail for for running numbers for the mom okay well my grandmother was one she they tried to get her to to give up names and she's like [ __ ] that I'm going to jail and so we were always like where's Grandma like oh she's visiting her auntie they lied to us and meanwhile Grandma was in jail for running numbers no it was kind of crazy so to see her when I was older when I was 20 in my 20s um so that's sick and inability to move and pain all the time it was like damn you got to do something with your life oh no that's 100 short window so and even with my grandmother going through that you know um she she still had great spirit you know um what's sad about ALS you know it it the first thing that went was her voice you know I mean like like her voice became faint you know I mean she wasn't able to speak you know and all these other things uh but she's still able to smile you know and it's sad that about this disease that can even take that that can take that away as well but she's still able to smile and still able to you know laugh about you know certain things and you know that's one thing about my grandmother her spirit is so um has such an impact that it can affect you you know because she don't look down on herself because she was stricken with this terrible disease you understand
like even with uh it stands for amitrophic uh lateral sclerosis is the actual name she even changed the acronym where uh ALS is stands for abundance of love and support wow because that's what you need in order to defeat something like this and um I had that with her because I she lost her daughter which was my mother I lost her at a young age and my grandmother took me in you know and uh I didn't have my dad around in my life so she was the one that was taking care of me the whole time so when it came to my turn right couldn't hesitate you know so I was willing to give up everything in order to take care of my grandmother that's beautiful you know what I'm saying I mean it just had to be there it speaks to your character yeah yeah but regardless though I wouldn't even be around you know I'm saying if she was never around in the first place you understand yeah but I understand what you're saying like that really shows me like any anything I really even go through ain't really that hard right ain't that hard you know what I'm saying like we good we can get through it you know so um having her go through this type of experience and being able to see what she goes through but how she's still able to hold her head it's beautiful that is beautiful and now you know and I feel like every fighter is not just their skills but an accumulation of their life experiences that give them character and that most certainly gave you character I guess you know I mean like I said man my granny took the responsibility up when nobody else wanted it you know like I said I was uh you know with my mom and stuff being a single mom she raised me out so I was with her all the time every single day I was with my mom you know I mean and if I wasn't with her I was with my godmother you know so I was around a lot of women at the time and like I told you before like the male influences the only thing I got was from TV and watching you know movies all the time you know so um having that you know and doing what I was doing you know uh it's just crazy that you know once my mother had passed away unfortunately some of the people that was in my life before left too
you know what I'm saying so like the people I used to always see or hang out around that was around my mom a lot when she passed away you know it's like they passed away with you know type stuff so my granny was the only person that really uh took the responsibility to raise me and uh taking forth that because I went through like a depressing stage like you know I mean I was never like um what's the word like never seen the third person nothing but like I feel like I went through a depression state after I lost my mom and it took me a while to even like speak to people you know and like I like Turned mute or nothing like but it took me a while to even just be around other people because I was just so upset you know that the person that I was around all the time was just completely gone yeah you know what I'm saying just out of nowhere in my eyes you know and uh it took a minute for me to just like accept the fact that she was gone you know and uh I wouldn't even say get over it but like I just said you know I just kind of that's where I'ma just forgot about my mom ever existing to get over the whole fact that she was going in the first place yeah I didn't even go to her like her like um her burial nothing I'm just like yeah yeah I couldn't take it you know what I'm saying so I just like man maybe if I just forget about it you know I'm saying it'd be cool whatever but um on top of that you know just understanding like that life is short like you were saying before like it's good just to go for your dreams and stuff like that you know because um it's great I ain't trying to like bounce into like too much stuff but before my granny even had like ALS and stuff and I was still in high school um she was Raising me the whole time I was a kind of a bad kid you know in and out the house doing what I wanted to do and I wasn't bad like like robbing people trying to like gang bang or nothing like that but I wanted to do what I wanted to do you know and uh being raised by so many women like you feel like you demand the whole time you know So eventually my grandmother ended up asking for my father's help in order to coming back into my life and stuff like that and try to raise me you know me or help raise me and I'm like 16 at
the time you know I'm saying 15 at the time and this is my first time really even meeting this man wow you know so once I you know having an interaction with him like uh I was trying to tell my girlfriend like bro I don't need to stay with him I'll just leave I just like you know live on my own you know oh run away right you know what I mean but you know uh my dad was like yeah you being all disrespectful you you know acting out of pocket and stuff like that I was like yeah even if I is what you gonna do about it you know and that's where we had a whole situation a whole scenario so the only reason why this is crazy right is that you know I find out where my fighting power comes from you know what I'm saying it's from my possible apologies to a wrestle as well back in the day so when I used to wrestling High School I thought I was somebody special so when I got into it with my dad whatever and uh we was in the kitchen and stuff like that you know I thought I had to upper hand because you know I'm saying I'm wrestling and whatnot and I remember I had threw a punch he blocked to hit me dead in my chest right I'm like oh okay me in the wrestling them I was like I wrestle I'm gonna go ahead take a shot on as soon as I took a shot on because that was the only thing I was good at was a double leg right that man power driving he grabbed my hips like this picks me up boom slams he's like ready to get back in the car you know what I'm saying are you ready to get in the car I was like oh yeah yeah I'm good bro I ain't trying to fight you no more you know I mean so but the reason why I bring that up is because like I realized like I'm almost just like this dude right you know I never met him you know what I'm saying just that fire mentality that fighter will like you know I mean that's where I get that from and it's crazy that even then at that time I never gave him a chance unfortunately and um without me giving them a chance and not getting to actually know him I end up losing him as well you know what I'm saying so I ended up losing my mom and my dad but the thing is I never even got a chance to even try to talk to him and get to know him because I never like actually went about the opportunity to talk to him and speak
to him because he was almost like a big brother to me because we both living with uh my grandpa which is his dad you know so I feel like it was more like a big brother relationship between me and him you know yeah and when I lost him you know and I didn't get the opportunity actually uh experience him like I should have you know by the time I wanted that he was already gone you know but I mean it's going as a teenager and just meeting him for the first time you can't put that on you I mean no yeah not at all yeah I was like because I ain't been I'm gonna call this man Daddy and then you know that's hard so hard no big facts man did you call him by his first name uh yeah yeah so I'll call Marcus wow yeah that's weird enough it is right I mean not at all because it's a hanu right you know what I'm saying like that you know everybody used to call him jug too like that was his nickname and stuff like that so yeah yeah so like I said once but that's the crazy part then like once um just growing up around them like for and it was only like a year time too it was only about like a year where we was able to like actually be in the same household and actually speak one another for everything that he used to do up like certain things that I did as well and I was always wondering where I get it from you know and I got exactly from him like we moved the same we talked the same we walked the same and I was like this is my first time really like meeting this man that'd be weird yeah it was a little weird though you know uh but it made sense though yeah where it came from yeah completely yeah yeah well all those things are that's a part of character that's a part of what makes you who you are I mean I think people that come from an easy life have a very difficult time making in the world of fighting yeah yeah yeah it's it's very it's not the same I mean people have done it you know the people that come from good households and good fans yeah well George St-Pierre I mean Georgetown Pierre was bullied when he was young and that's what got him into martial arts but he had a very good relationship with his parents yeah yeah yeah yeah but having a rough childhood is almost like a prerequisite to being a great fighter so many fighters come from like dark times uh yeah big facts I mean
like I said like your experiences alone can prepare you for fights you know I mean and that's what makes some of the best fighters in the world you know but I feel like with everything that I went through I guess it I guess you could say it preparing me for fighting but it really showed me and this is what I'm trying to get to you know and I ain't trying to like put all this together but like losing my mom and losing my dad just showed me bro like just go for it you know what I'm saying just like go for your dreams man go and do what you want to do you know I mean because at the end of the day we only got one life like my mom died at a you know pretty young age like it was like 35 36 you know I mean dad died pretty young you know saying almost getting to the age of 40. you know um no no it was you no well how old was my mom how did your dad die uh overdose oh yeah over there um heroin overdose unfortunately you know but I feel like you know he was trying to use that to like you know block the pain with the stuff that he was dealing with of course you know yeah of course unfortunately you know so many people are dealing with so much I mean that's uh that's this [ __ ] crazy dance of life and your your dance is very crazy and and that makes sense now knowing your childhood why you're so ferocious inside the Octagon I didn't think about it like that the life experiences that you've had yeah I mean it is it is a major factor in what forms a man's personality and the what you've gone through those trials and tribulations you can't substitute that yeah yeah but somebody that has that or they don't there's a fire that some dudes have and you have it I appreciate it a lot of that comes from just bad times yeah yeah yeah and and also man it's just like when I see that right with my mom passing when my dad passes it's like you know the only people that know that are the people that's closest to us right you know what I'm saying and my thing was like I just always wanted to leave my name here and print it somehow some way in some type of fashion you know uh because it's a fun little quote you know I mean that uh
that that I like I don't know who said it but it was like you know you die twice you know I mean uh the first time you guys when you you know take your last breath and the second time you die is when they say your name for the last time and that always spoke volumes to me because like I was like man I want my name to be remembered some way you know and uh that that's was my real Pursuit for real doing like MMA and chasing my dreams um yeah leave your mark leave my mark yeah somewhere but you definitely have that opportunity I mean you've already left your mark but you have an opportunity you're only 28 right yeah you have a giant future ahead of you because especially knowing your background now like knowing how little real formal training you've had and the fact that you've reached this level of proficiency and skill is game time now it's pretty crazy I mean you're in a really great spot right now especially now dropping down to 170 pounds which is your natural weight class where you're not going to be at a disadvantage physically like in the nordine fight yeah so I mean but I think everything plays a part you know I mean and everything happens for a reason so I'm glad I fought at 185 I'm glad I was able to develop my name you know saying in the middleweight Division and stuff like that uh because it's not going to make it harder to go down to 170 and fight right a couple other you know rank good names instead of starting all the way back over well you know fight guys like Imam off who's like what is his natural weight I mean what is he walking around I don't know he probably 215 yeah much much bigger yeah and that's her name is I mean he's like he's an elite level fighter at that weight too yeah so you have I thought I mean be honest with you when I look at my resume at uh 185 I ain't fighting no bones no I ain't found no bones no no so I fought a lot of uh you know high level guys at middleweight and I did a successful job you know I took a couple L's here and there but you know I was able to accomplish you know get five wins uh up to four Knockouts yeah within the middleweight division you know and I think that should speak volumes for me to go to a weight class that's more fitted for me yeah much better much better for you and also with this structured training and the fact
that you really do have relatively little in comparison the amount of time you've been fighting yeah yes I mean well I've been fighting for a long time yeah you know for for 10 years but I just didn't know nothing right but that's that's what's so crazy it's like you they know you've accomplished a lot yeah with that right and now having very structured training and being in your physical prime and going down to a natural weight class I mean once you get past Chris Curtis if you get past you know no no but it's just that when I'm Italian me like like anal is like this is all the preparation that I've been putting in and doing and uh just taking the time and opportunity to actually promote the fight for for myself you know I mean coming out here with you and speaking to you you know I mean to sell this fight even that you know I just I just developed too much time and effort into this fight to lose I can't you know because everything that I want on the other side is riding up to this fight it ain't even like the national game fight like this the fight right here right you know what I mean so the last fight that I got uh uh now on my contract but of the year because this would be my fourth fight that I had you know I'm saying within one year you know and that's a big deal to me and I feel like I really need to show out for this one you know because I've never been a fighter either to lose back to back because I at least like if I'm not learning in the gym I'm learning from those fights trust me I think you did learn from that fight and what you're talking about with that third round that you should have fought that way in the first round isn't that a big part of the whole experience of having high level competition yes there's these little little lessons that you learn in each individual encounter and amazing you know even though they're small they make for major adjustable uh major improvements what I mean you know so having that fight with NASA then showing that I need to put the gas on a lot of these dudes early period you know and uh make them work you know so I didn't make NASA Dean work as hard as I should have in that first in that second round you know now what kind of strength and conditioning routine do they have you on because you have such a wild style of
fighting I mean you have to have a deep deep gas tank I got a I got a psychopath man as a conditioning Coach man like perfect because uh yeah big fast shout out to uh just a heartache man so he been sending me actually workouts right so this is what I just did uh here I can actually show you because he hasn't been out here with me to help me train so like this is one of the workouts that he had me do uh right here matter of fact I'll let you look so look this is also cool right so he sends this out a little history lesson right talking about uh I could not uh in that war you know saying uh I think D-Day you know and just talking about like you know what the soldiers had went through and how they had to you know keep fighting and and keep going up that hill doing so many obstacles and dodging bullets and all this other stuff about Kamikaze [ __ ] right tell you about it and then he gets to the workout wow all this history lesson and then the workers yes sir and it gives you pump you know what I'm saying like because it's just a reminder like bro like like it's it's a mentality thing you know and what you go through and then how you take the fight or how you take your training seriously you know you got to make that switch right you can't just go through a workout man I'm gonna just get this done like you could like live or die like I'm training for like War yeah Point Blank period you know and uh that's what I love about them so we do a lot of you know cool unique things man with him but he makes you able to push me to my limits you know now how do you balance out strength and conditioning workout with skill workout like what what is your like a week's work so so Monday Monday through Friday man so I'm I'm in the gym Point Blank period And I even work out Saturday and Sunday but I'll be doing my own thing you know but Monday uh we do HPI work so that's strength and conditioning on that same Monday we do uh striking MMA work with uh my head coach whatever so just two days you know Tuesday same thing working with conditioning coach then I'm working uh grappling Tuesdays grappling day so wrestling MMA and then Wednesday same thing conditioning so we might work let's say like functional work you know I mean just uh just working the weights uh like kettlebells or like what's the
the one they have they may still mates and do functional uh work with that and uh Wednesday we got spawned you know and then Thursday we had the same thing just outside conditioning now we running you know we outside with it and uh after that with Thursday we got Jiu Jitsu uh training and then Friday we have uh just uh open Mac you know I mean that we work with Coach but then also Friday we hit a heavy uh heavy lift yeah and so do you have days where you like when do you are you specifically doing Jiu Jitsu some days or wrestling some days so Tuesdays and Thursdays grappling Tuesdays is wrestling primarily and then Thursday is to just is it hard to get everything in because that's one of the things about mma's there's so many skill sets yeah yeah of course of course I mean but the core the core things that you already know what the core things is for Real it's Jiu-Jitsu boxing kickboxing slash Muay Thai uh Judo and uh what else what else can we put on that um I guess that's it for real four things you know yeah that those are core things so we we get to work all those fundamental things you know but it's actually like trying to actually form our own type of martial arts and then Coach is just always trying to have us work on our you know abilities right and try to form us into the best fighter that we are you know and he just tries to watch those attributes that we have you know and when you do by yourself on the weekends so you do just concentrate on what you think you need to work on like so so with a Saturday and Sunday I usually work with Andy Simmons with a wrestling on Sundays and uh Saturday I I pretty much just do my own thing so like a little workout watch some little videos I still do the same thing I've been doing for the longest time always trying to find different videos but do a little fun little workout but it's nothing too stressful it's just having fun and just keeping my tools tight you know so that might just be hitting the bag and just working on like certain little basic uh techniques but uh Sundays though I work out with Andy Simmons almost every Sunday you know and Andy Simmons is a dog like you can bring him up if you want to but you know uh like I said from Michigan State undefeated at uh uh was undefeated in this high school and then went into uh
being a Collegiate wrestler uh at D1 Michigan State and going crazy there too so do you have anybody that works with you on your nutrition uh I mean we don't work on it necessarily but like we eat clean though you know so uh Justin Cooks up all our meals uh so that's my coach again uh conditioning coach so well that's great yeah yeah so because of the Bison um everything is like um I feel like it's like dog food man we eat the same stuff every day man but uh we eat a bison meat and uh chicken and uh just white rice and broccoli real plain real simple real born you know nothing too crazy but I told you like with me it is perfect though you know but at the same time I don't have to really focus on like literally what I'm putting my body until going to 170 right you know so I still play around I still eat whatever I want to you know being that 185. so is he doing like meal prep or he gives you like pre-portioned meals and then you just save them for the week yeah yeah we eat that same thing you know yeah but it's the perfect nutrition what you're saying yes that's the right yes sir what about recovery stuff all of it all of them man like nothing too crazy like it's all the things that um Fighters been doing for the longest so box has been doing for longer so we do ice plunge we hit the sauna uh I like cryo a lot more for myself uh I hate being coding with you know right uh but but the thing about the uh just the regular ice plunge that you have to do I feel like it's more mental because you got to stand like you can stand there a little bit longer you know what I mean and um I feel like just for the attitude and get into the ice plunge and stuff like that that's what I think it's great for but I feel like cryo I like crying a little bit more you know what I'm saying for information in my arms or if my body aches if I have anything going on I feel like cryo get me right real quick because I only get to be in there for like three minutes you know yes sir when you do the ice plunge how long you stay in there for uh we try to do 10 15 minutes you know saying two and then two sessions so you're doing buckets of water with buckets of ice yeah you're not doing like a real cold plunge where it keeps it to 34 degrees I mean well I
mean will we keep it there you know so yeah we checked the temperature that thing beginning to 32 bro you know and we're in Michigan too so oh boy so that helps the winters in Michigan you're just getting a lake yeah yeah big I mean big facts you know so uh when you try to do that at the evening like when do you do that the recovery stuff uh we we try to hit it so usually we've been doing it Monday Wednesdays Fridays you know right after like a workout you know what I'm saying with him and then we'll go straight into it you know uh but don't do the um like bucket of ice and stuff like that don't don't do it every day we don't do it every day no do you get massages or anything like that now really getting no massages man if I do get a massage man probably be at the mall or something but I like the uh the compressions um normally text is cool you know so that works you know but yeah I don't really get like like massages nothing too crazy like you know everything's real basic man like my thing is like it's just every day now I get to train every day so it might not be like the craziest things that I'm doing but I'm doing the same thing consistently right having no job has to be a big factor oh yeah going from you know having a job and training when you can to having training being your whole job Big Value so like I said I'm not doing nothing crazy or special just able to do it every day you know there's so many fighters that fight at a world-class level that still have a job it's crazy I mean that's just the sport that we in yeah you know but my thing it is unfortunate but I've been blessed and I've been uh fortunate enough to like be able to fight the way I'm fighting and I've been rewarded for it you know so you know I feel like a lot of Fighters if they put more on the line and they go out and actually try to take a little bit more risk they could potentially you know be on the other side but at the same time it's all about winning you know what I mean uh but unfortunately you see some guys that win some fights whatever but they're not exciting they're not fun and you don't see what a career takes them and they don't make a lot of money which you see like they like you said they got another
job they're still training they still you know trying to find sponsors whatever just to pay some certain bills and stuff like that you know so it's that risk and reward Factor you know so if you're willing just to win but not be exciting you know I mean just realize like you're not going to get the money that you really looking for and you're gonna have to I guess that's the harder route I feel like you know unfortunately it's interesting like that those calculations like are you just trying to win are you trying to win and be someone who's very entertaining right big facts and I feel like you know a lot of guys don't train that way and I've been training like that for a long time you know and I wouldn't even say like I'm a hard got a spar or nothing like that but I'm I'm trying to touch you though you know I mean we see it in kickboxing we see it in boxing how those guys are not always guys sparred for real like they be trying to knock dudes out you know and I feel like some guys in the MMA culture whatever they just want to touch like man I don't really want to hurt you know so we're just gonna touch like this and and just tag each other but I feel like that that plays a part in your fights too you know and a lot of guys get touched up even more because of that in a fight instead of actually taking a serious and spawn because used to sparring hard exactly right so now they're getting touched up for real in the actual fight you know how do you balance that out though because you if you Spar too much you leave too much in the gym well how many times did I tell you I Spar in a week one time one time one time that's it that's it what I need to spot more for interesting yeah big fact so recognize it is a good day yeah yeah man what day is that Wednesday Wednesday yeah and so Thursday and Friday thinking about working drilling drilling yes sir yeah yeah well it sounds like you got a great plan man and I'm very very much looking forward to this fight in December that's a big five View and I love the fact that you're dropping down to 170. man and before that though too like before we even end off on that you know because I said I wanted to fight at 170 you asked me like who's some names yeah so if it's not shout out and it's not Jeff new you know I love to fight
Sean Brady you know what I'm saying or uh Vicente Luce you know those are two great names two good matchups for me you know and they both coming off you know those are great fights I'd like to see all of them big facts but listen man I'm a big fan I'm uh real excited about your future and here your story has been fantastic all right man I appreciate you for having me appreciate you very much man and I'm again I'm really looking forward to December and your whole career hey this one I'm a fan I appreciate it thank you very much all right oh tell everybody your social media so they can find you oh yeah yeah you already know man uh so my social media is new master 94 that's my Instagram I got a YouTube channel now uh that's Joaquin Buckley official uh on YouTube and then as well I got you know my own little business uh solid foundation you know so make sure y'all go follow that page as well on Instagram what is that solid foundation it's just apparel just merch that's good you already spread it out yeah yeah you already know all right thank you very much bye everybody foreign [Music]