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[Music] first of all how the [ __ ] do you make 185 pounds how's that even possible diet and exercise but you're so big what are you walking around at i'm about 2 30 right now what is the process of you getting down to 185 yeah i definitely can't do it uh on short notice it takes like a whole eight weeks uh unless i you know have to kill myself which and i used to do that i'd just not eat for a week and sit in a sauna forever and then wonder why after three minutes like dude i'm [ __ ] tired dude yeah [ __ ] well how much of a performance impact does it have on you even if you like take off even if you have two solid months to prepare and lose the weight yeah i feel i feel good i don't think it has a performance issue i know that some dudes they cut weight uh they don't do it the right way and i think it kind of like uh makes them change makes it more fragile yeah but i haven't had that experience so for you as long as you give you two months you can do it but how good does food taste after those two months ah dude everything in my life is extreme like if i'm not if i'm not i don't have a fight coming up i'm a burger cheeseburger pizza beer kind of guy hardly drink water but then when i am don't eat anything green uh but then when i am training for a fight you know it's just the exact opposite nothing but water you know i count my calories and do you have like a meal prep company yeah those uh i think it's icon meals that the ufc has yeah and it's awesome because like each meal you can like tell the stats like the macro nutrients on there and how many calories so i just wear like a heart rate monitor and it tells me how many calories i burn per workout so i just go home i burn 500 i can only eat 300 and you know have you ever thought about like [ __ ] i'm gonna go heavyweight when i uh bought darren stewart the second time um he was like let's do heavyweight and for a second i was like man [ __ ] that let's just
let's just do heavy weight instead of you know light heavy weight and not cut any weight like uh if i show up at heavyweight dude i'm gonna have a bigger belly i ain't gonna be able to fight it everywhere i don't think it ain't gonna work my cardio is gonna be [ __ ] so when you get to 185 and you do it correctly you have better cardio i think so i like i really don't get tired in fights so yeah i feel good and the middleweights for my career i think middleweight is the way to go because they're not as durable as the light heavyweights and the light heavyweights those [ __ ] are big six three six four so it's like a statue thing for me i'm only six once i'd be you know punching up at everybody what would you think if they eliminated weight cutting because you know there's been talk about that mostly for me i i think it's i mean everyone's doing it but what it is essentially is like sanction cheating you're pretending you're 185 pounds you're about 185 for what an hour yeah the shortest amount of time possible yeah and then what do you when you fight what do you think you weigh well i've been as heavy as 225 on fight night 85 fight that's crazy but it's uh i think it works backwards yeah i'm bigger but when i'm that heavy like when i thought andre muniz i was like 225 but i just felt like heavy you know i was like dude i don't know put too much on yeah yeah i'm not moving like i was getting ready for the fight so when that happens it's like that i just kind of charles oliveira just uh they just did this thing where they weighed him on fight night versus weigh-in and he's 183 on fight night he fights at 155. you look at him you wouldn't think he weighs that no he's pretty stout he's a stout dude i mean he's long and lean and everything he's like broad but front to back he's yeah a thin guy well i think
he's maximized for the weight class there's guys that like they're maximized for that weight class like jon jones at 205 is a perfect example maximize for that weight class the perfect physique for that weight class hamza chimaev at 170 maximized it's like the perfect amount of length but strong as [ __ ] you know there's like a lot there's a lot of advantages for that yeah you know those guys especially at the top you know they're much bigger uh for the most part than everybody else in the weight class that ushman's a big [ __ ] for the weight class jon jones c64 you know they call him like his legs look skinny but he's not a skinny guy no it's just from like the knee down he just doesn't have any calves exactly which is crazy we talked about that yesterday like all the weightlifting he does those things don't grow it's just weird you know when i uh when i first started fighting they're like oh you know i was like 240 like football big like oh you're gonna end up fighting at 85. i was like [ __ ] i'm not cutting weight like that and then uh my buddy marcus brimmage fought mcgregor on the same card that uh cormier and uh jon jones spot the first time so we went and i saw those two fight and i was like 85 might be the move 85 might be the [ __ ] what was it like the first time you did it ah it was awful because like no one told me how to do it they were like oh dude i know i would run i'd be like 210 and like oh you can just cut the rest in water it's like all right so the first time that i sat in a sauna for like six hours and uh my coach at the time i was like dude i'm done with this i don't care how much i weigh right now i'm out of here and uh he was like no no i do listen i'm getting out of here whether it's through you or around you you have about three seconds to make this decision and uh he just stepped to the side and you know of course i missed away i was like 189 but i was like dude i'm not doing that [ __ ] and then uh so i did that a few times
and then i met my wife and you know she's into the fitness thing and she's like you're not a smart person this is not how you should be doing this so she started measuring my meals and i was actually eating more you know because it makes your metabolism faster but smaller meals and then i just became easier so what was your transition from football into mma like what what motivated that um well uh so we won a national championship my senior year and so i think everybody knows that if you even if you do make it to the nfl probably not going to be there for long so okay so if the nfl thing doesn't work out at least i can come back to alabama somebody an alumni will have a job for me you know uh that's not what happened um so i you know i ended up being a janitor i was cleaning apartments cleaning factories working with meth heads and you know drug addicts like with the water lance like this thing has like 2 000 pounds of pressure like it cuts sheet metal yeah you know some dude like nodding off you know [ __ ] around so it was dangerous so i just found myself being like man frustrated that you know here i am living in the same town that just a year ago we won a national championship and i'm doing this kind of work so you know you know fighting all the time drinking abusing drugs just kind of mad and walking around my fist balled up all the time all right so i mean eventually something's gonna happen to me i'm gonna get shot you know just you know doing stupid stuff and uh so i just walked into a gym started training uh so you're about 21 yeah 21 when you first started training mm-hmm no training prior no like 24. oh really yeah because i chased the dream the football dream i went to uh colorado played arena ball and you know played in canada for a little bit and uh you know finally i was just like dude if it's not the nfl then it's not worth it so what was uh holding
you back from achieving your goals in the nfl um i just don't think i was big enough fast enough good enough you know you always kind of like lie to yourself when you're younger he's like oh [ __ ] yeah dude i'm gonna make it i'm gonna play and then you know you kind of get [ __ ] on and you know so you just walk around bitter until you find something else to do at least that was my experience anyways and so was mma a thought in your mind as a career or was it something you were just doing to blow off steam uh initially i just wanted i started doing jiu jitsu and i was like oh this is cool you know i can go like wrestle and like get it out you know and uh i don't want to see what it's like to you know throw punches and stuff and so i walked into another gym and uh first day in there the coach walks up to me he's like uh can you fight you know any 24 year old male and you ask me that [ __ ] he's like [ __ ] you like a [ __ ] who you uh he's like alright cool here's some gloves go fight that guy go spot that guy it was [ __ ] walt harris who was already a professional fighter been training been boxing heavyweight big [ __ ] yeah yeah 260 6'4 and uh he beat me up in the nicest way possible like i knew like if he was being for real i knew what would happen to him well that's a nice walk yeah and like you know i had like those big football muscles so i couldn't you know block anything down the middle so i was just goosh and uh but dude i fell in love with that i was like dude it's gonna be fun to like suck at something and then learn how to do it and then not suck and you know but i think that's like the biggest apprehension from other athletes coming into this because who the [ __ ] wants to be a white belt right again you know you're already an elite athlete or you know played at the pinnacle of the sport now you gotta go in there and take your looks again like like a beginner yeah and so i think uh
the ego kind of gets in the way of you know guys coming from other sports and girls coming from other sports and learning this stuff well even that even works in guys in combat sports that are learning mma like guys who are kickboxers they don't like to wrestle or do jiu jitsu they just want to learn how to get up they just want to learn that's a big common problem so when they get in scrambles they don't really know how to do anything offensively so everything is defensive which once your opponent realizes that everything is defensive it's very much more relaxing for them yeah and they know they don't have a risk so they can take more chances exactly worst case scenario he gets up i'm not going to get choked up but or whatever yeah it's like guys that surprised me like you're a pro hospital when you you already just tapped out glover like who the [ __ ] saw that kind of you know i think exhaustion kind of plays into oh yeah you know fifth round 25th minute 24th and a half minute yeah you know i was like [ __ ] dude i'm tired and you know culver is 42 years old yeah sure and almost won that fight all he had to do was play it safe in the fifth round he would have won that fight yeah but yeah of course like it didn't work out for him but as a fan oh yeah i don't want to see nobody play say dude go for it [ __ ] it of course that's just me as a fan being selfish but if he did that you know yeah it's funny when people do played say like devin haney's last fight like last round he played it safe and he even talked about it like i knew i had in the bag so i just took off the last round and i was like don't say that out loud microphone dude tell your coach that tell your mom yeah i mean he's in the money for these big big fights like lomachenko and you know so after he beat cambosis you know that was you know that was a pivotal fight for him i understand taking it off the last round but yeah don't say that yeah yeah or say in a different way it's like i you know i didn't want to like get hurt or you know didn't want to risk breaking my hand or yeah maybe i don't know it's just it's that kind of a fight the yuri pro haska glover to share a fight is the kind of fight that makes fans sure like
if you've never watched mma before and you watch that crazy [ __ ] fight like especially how back and forth it was i didn't think that yuri would be as good on the ground and be able to get up and reverse position yeah like he did glover took a lot of chances like he like dove on guillotines and wound up on the bottom when it didn't work out there was a lot going on in that fight that was not a play-it-safe fight that was a wild fight yeah me and my son were dropping back from yellowstone watching it on the phone i was like dude i think i need to pull over dude look like i've been watching the po boy like [ __ ] yeah that's not good he fights so strange yuri fights so strange there's nobody like him in the sport because he's almost like fighting like a karate video game character he's very unpredictable yeah he doesn't have like a pattern like he's not jab cross hook even his movements and then he's leaping in with shots like he almost moves around like a guy who wouldn't be good but he's really good yeah it's confusing you know it's like he's got his own style and he's got his little hair he says this is an antenna yeah yeah to catch the flow yeah and you see him working out in the woods too like ties pads around trees and he's kicking and punching trees like very strange yeah seems like a super odd dude he was doing something that's not wise though like he was patting glover saying good job you're doing a good job like in the middle of the fight yeah and you know mark goddard was telling me hey you're playing a [ __ ] dangerous game because that seems like you're tapping yeah like what are you doing did you ever see any of that no like i said i was driving something oh a lot of people were saying like this fight's [ __ ] he tapped because it looked like he was like hey good job good luck did he have a submission in or no man he was like he was on top of him that guy's not tapping the strikes though no so you don't worry about that i don't think he's gonna tap i mean unless he gets caught in something but it's just when you're watching it i was like what
is happening here is he [ __ ] tapping like watch this here referee like watch this look see he's on type he's talking to him good job see look at that that's a [ __ ] tap man that's a tap like you can't do that uh well at least globally he's congratulating encouraging his opponent yeah see mark garden said it's a risky game but it's very clear what he was doing and attending let's celebrate the incredible feat from both gentlemen it's interesting because you really can't do that you can't you can't i mean that because if glover thought that was a tap if he stopped yeah like like he could like that right there is a [ __ ] tap man like you can't do that because like that's how i'm injured hey my ribs are broken i gotta stop you know i mean it's not a position where you normally would see somebody tap but who the [ __ ] knows what's going on yeah you know sometimes mark heard what he was saying so he's like oh that's not a tap but still that is tapping like you know you can't you can't just fake quit yeah yeah that's like fake questions yeah who did that uh fabricio verdoom and the pfl i forget who he was fighting but the guy got a fake top yeah and then he stopped and then and they won up losing by tko yeah but i think it got really no contest at the end though that's horrible though that's horrible [ __ ] you remember that happened in the ufc early on it was marilla bustamante and matt lindland and marilla bustamante tapped him twice he tapped it once with the arm bar and lynlin said i didn't tap and uh big john mccarthy this is like the ufc in the early days they were kind of like oh let's do it again you know there was a few yeah yeah this is a fight so this is bustamante was a bad [ __ ] back then he was uh one of the very first jiu jitsu guys who was also like really dangerous with stand up and he was one of carlson gracie's like top black belts like really technical jiu jitsu guy and what's that
this video is not going to show up so i was going to oh it's not going to show the sub i think so so he got him down oh this is the finish this is the final finish he caught him in the guillotine so the guillotine is how he finished him see so this is tapping and that you know amazed that he didn't hold on to it because lindland had fake tapped earlier so that's the third round so he tapped him in the second round with an arm bar and then tapped him in the third round of the guillotine oh how you [ __ ] that up yeah i went to a fight in uh making georgia like just like a local promotion this kid had the other guy in the guillotine and he did look like he was asleep so the ref stops the fight and the guy was like what the [ __ ] and he started them again like from the stand up like you go to your corner you'll go to your corner and start and get out of it like man [ __ ] that dude he tapped yeah they said because nobody had entered the cage that they could keep it going i'm like no dude at least you have to give me my position back yeah give me the necklace yeah yeah well i started to earn that position did you ever see conan silviera in sacaraba sakaraba got hit with an uppercut and dropped down for a single so he's on like a low single and big john again stops the fight and uh sakurai was like what the [ __ ] are you doing and then it's in japan so everybody started freaking out and so they said don't worry we'll have them fight again so later on in the night they fought a second time yeah they fought a second time and this time sacarabba got conan in an armbar and so this was like i want to say this is like 98. was like right when i quit so he got him an arm bar and tapped him and it was [ __ ] crazy because nobody had ever seen a brazilian jiu jitsu black belt get tapped and sacarabba was like way smaller than him too like sakuraba was probably under 200 pounds and conan was a big guy like conan had fought in extreme fighting and you know that's what he had fought mori smith
then you think they got paid twice i don't think they did i'm not doing the second one for free dude [ __ ] that that's a good point that's a very good point but this was uh this is a big moment but you go back and you watch like even like top guys like everyone was like a little sloppy then like technique is so much more refined now everything is so different even like if you go and watch jiu-jitsu tournaments like top-level jiu-jitsu tournaments from like 95 and then watch them today in 2022 they're it's incredible how much progress is that's like the evolution yeah how long do you think sakuraba had been playing or training jiu-jitsu well he actually was training catch wrestling that's what's interesting about sagaraba there's a lot of those guys that were pro wrestlers in japan but in pro wrestling in japan they do a lot of like hard fights like pro wrestling in japan has a history of real fights like sometimes they would have shoots or they would have works and so like if you ever want to talk to josh barnett is the master of this [ __ ] he'll tell you all about that because you know he's a big pro wrestling fan i was training at danaher's yesterday and i was talking to this kid from louisville kentucky and i was like oh how long you've been training 16 years and i was like how old are you 24. whoa so i was like dude i've been training with helios necklace since i was six and i'm like that's the difference in the game oh you know when you learn something when you're six six to 24 is different than 24 to yes you know how old do you know 35 how long do you think you're gonna be doing this uh i probably got five or less bites left five or less fights what do you think you're gonna do when you stop uh i got a lot of things uh that i'm pivoting right now kind of working my way i know i'm in the twilight of uh my career it's like it's no secret and uh i started buying real estate got about 15 houses now oh wow yeah so
oh nice yeah so a lot of people always like [ __ ] about like fighter pay and stuff but i'm just like what are you doing with your money right right yeah if you go to uh like some of the people's like instagram who bitching about fighter pay go to their instagram and see what it is that they're spending their money on yeah like five frenchie dogs these are like five to eight thousand dollar dogs of course you're gonna be broke you know so i just like put everything into real estate and uh so i don't even have to fight anymore that's awesome you know i do it because i like it i do it because i like the competition i like the training i just like doing it but whenever i'm ready i can dip whenever i want to you're a tough [ __ ] man because i've i've watched a lot of your fights and i've been a fan of your fights your wins and your losses but when you fought khalil roundtree and he was leg kicking the [ __ ] out of you you didn't even flinch i was like damn you that was one of the most impressive like in a losing performance one of the most impressive impressive displays of toughness maybe i should play poker because that [ __ ] was hurting you know i got a poker face he kicked so [ __ ] hard but yeah i mean it hurt but it wasn't like dismantling right no it's not like the my leg wasn't compromised right she was just stinging and in pain so i just feel like toughness is like a decision sometimes like okay you feel pain but are you hurt no okay um and i also think that like just naturally i have a higher like pain threshold maybe than than most people so uh you know that second round got pretty crazy i think he dropped me like four times and in the corner the lady the commission the doctor when i was like are you okay and i was like dude is she [ __ ] is she watching this like of course i'm not okay dude [ __ ] so i tried to ignore it she's like yeah okay i'm good it's interesting how boxing has
three knockdown rules in some some fights and some commissions like i wonder if they've ever thought about instituting something like that in mma promotion um i don't know i hope not you know because i would hate for the fight to get stopped uh you know just for me right just because you know i got dropped four times it's not like i got up and i like you know didn't have my equilibrium or whatever right um yeah i got dropped but like as soon as i hit the ground i was like oh [ __ ] but how did i get here yeah but do you think some of that toughness comes from football because you cannot play football at a high level without being tough um i think maybe kind of the the way i grew up you know i'm five out of six oh yeah and four boys oh yeah that's it so you know that's the right thing for bad [ __ ] get a bunch of boys let them grow up together beating the [ __ ] out of each other and just for their entertainment too like i think my oldest brother he'd be like i'm bored hey eric let's uh let's go climb this tree and jump out oh wow and then he wouldn't jump it would just be me let's go get on the roof and jump or you know whatever okay cool let's go let's go do they kind of take credit for you fighting now um they should they should i've always been like a scrappy dude like i've always like uh enjoyed it like wrestled you know fought a lot you know just being a boy growing up you know but no training at all no martial art no karate nothing jb level experience wrestling wow so when you had your first fight how long have you been training for a month a month and i fought twice in the night yeah i think uh my coach at the time i'm sure that he was on dope looking back [Laughter] he'd just be pale and then we didn't do nothing but ones and twos didn't wrestle didn't do anything he would hardly show up and uh you know they were like hey you want to fight i was like all right cool and uh so dude i like like this is very
like a dark time in my life you know so i was like drove up to huntsville alabama smoking newports and uh smoking newport's the day of the fight oh yeah wow and uh man my coach didn't even show up didn't have any cornermen this is in a boxing ring and a bar and a smoky bar in the middle of nowhere alabama and uh so i was just like hey um sir do you mind uh you don't have to say anything just do you mind pulling stool out in between rounds i boxed one fight lost the split decision and then uh fought mma knocked the guy out in 50 seconds and i was like i think that's it in the same night the same night so you had a boxing match and then you had an mma fight in the same night oh my god no coach no athletic commission either i guess zero zero holy [ __ ] that what kind of [ __ ] promotion is that dude just some rednecks putting together a boxing match or a fight they called me on while i was on the way up there they're like hey um they want you to have your your blood work you know done within like the last six months have you had uh your blood work done i was like uh yeah sure like two months ago i did but dude of course i didn't they didn't check and then as i'm driving i'm just like dude what if the guy that i'm fighting did the same thing and but he does actually have like hepatitis or right right i was like know i guess you know they make it quick i guess don't let them get on top of you and bleed on you jesus christ so many people have those stories of the these wild promotions he's like and i had no idea what i was doing like how much do you think you could learn in a month with zero previous training and a shitty coach who's probably on dope yeah yeah [ __ ] like nodding off and [ __ ] in the middle of practice those coaches like that like [ __ ] dude what was i doing a buddy my kickboxing coach she was on heroin he
found out but by going to the bathroom when he found needles in the bathroom she's like what the [ __ ] is going on i think that's rock bottom heroin is a weird one right when you're shooting heroin yeah you all right dude [ __ ] slap him in the face like wake up dude this is practice it's just that world the world of the heroin user is such a strange world because that that is one of those drugs where like you there is no pre like you could do coke i guess you could party and still have your life together like allegedly conor mcgregor does coke you know allegedly i don't know if he does coke seems like kind of guy who might do a little coke believable believable but that's like a party drug that sometimes people can do and be fine but if you heard that conor was shooting heroin you'd be like what don't believe it you'd be like what you're like oh man he needs some help someone needs to help him let me see his arms let me check those fingernails that's when you gotta that's when you're hurting that's when you're really hurting when you're shooting heroin that is like that's one of the lowest of low like if you're just making that commitment to puncture your vein and pump that [ __ ] in there i think that some like the process getting the spoon tying off melting it you know putting it in the syringe and then going to space going to space i've never done anything any opiates other than when i had knee surgery i had a um they gave me a button that you could press morphine drip and i remember hitting that button it's like oh i get it oh and now i know i people like this it was so relaxing yeah i don't know about i don't think that would i don't would never do heroin but i think i would probably smoke opium though um well this is a friend of mine his name is dr carl hart and he's actually a professor at columbia and he started off his career as a a clinical researcher and he was very straight-laced never did any drugs and then as time went on he started realizing that our perceptions on drugs are way off and what you know people
think of heroin is like being terrible for you gonna keep this is for you too if you wanna appreciate it some caffeine um and he uh recreationally uses drugs and talks about it but he's a like a legitimate professor so when he talks about it he can talk about it from a pharmacological perspective you can talk about the actual reaction that the human body has on you know to these drugs and he knows it but he like openly says like i snort a little heroin every now and then yeah it's like what i think we all let that dare officer down man we all let him down he's very disappointed yeah i guess well i you know because he lied to drugs what's drugs which drugs am i gonna say no to coffee get the [ __ ] out of here like what are we saying no do say no to alcohol always forever i can't even have champagne in the wedding yeah [ __ ] out of here yeah yeah but you know there are like functioning you know alcoholics and people who can do these things but i think at the end of the day the drug wins whatever it is if you have that if you're yeah but i think addiction addiction is more than just physical you know it's the choice to start doing so much drugs that your body becomes dependent upon it those choices are usually not choices that are made by people that are like having a good life sure you know or that maybe their life is too good well maybe it's a lot of it is escape you know yeah it's trauma trauma as a kid like somebody you know like sexual abuse some that kind of [ __ ] like that's a lot of people that get hooked on drugs but i think you could probably do stuff to get off of that i think like mushrooms is uh good to like get over that dmt wildest ride i've ever had or you know i smoked that toad before and uh yeah i think that just kind of completely eliminates your ego and kind of helps you get over that kind of stuff isn't it hard to believe that it's real like when you do it you're like how can
i get there that quick how can i just smoke this thing and then 15 seconds later i'm there i did it uh like three times in one session like a small medium and you know an astronomical dose and uh like the second one that was like i always hear people like astro like oh they talk about astro projecting and this sounds i was like whatever i'm not sure if i believe that but dude that [ __ ] is real yeah and the third time i did it i laid down and dudes just like star wars just light speed yeah oh [ __ ] actually i was in the cejudo's backyard when i did it really and dude he was like uh like running around screaming i was doing forward rolls in his yard because dude i thought and i was like dude i just [ __ ] up dude this is yeah i thought that i'm dead i thought i was dead too yeah so you know you kind of like resist you're like oh [ __ ] oh [ __ ] oh [ __ ] oh [ __ ] so uh and i was like running around his backyard like screaming at the top of my lungs rolling around on the grass dude when i woke up i wasn't in the same place that i was and i had like grass things all over my hands and my clothes and stuff and uh like dude are you okay but dude it was like nirvana i was like dude don't touch me just [ __ ] let me enjoy this moment did i [ __ ] face some nice cold grass watching the grass grow i thought dude just give me a second let me let me take this in it's a reset right yeah it just changes what you think about life in reality just like like that and for me like you know sometimes you have like a hard time admitting things to yourself but i was like dude you know after that i don't uh there's nothing that's an issue anymore you know and uh like what kind of things to yourself could you admit after that um like uh when i fought tiago santos like my style of fighting was much different before than it was after and it's just because you know a lot of people like i want to take it to my limit well i found my
limit uh in that fight and i never wanted to get to that place again so um was that a 205 fighter yeah so i you know kind of like lied to myself and it's like oh dude you're just tired you know whatever whatever whatever but then i go back and watch the fights after that and the pace is slower the output is slower because i don't want to get to that level of exhaustion ever and then you do that and it's like [ __ ] it you know if you get there you get there you know yeah so and you know i haven't been able to smoke weed uh ever since then i've smoked like five times and i get like crazy paranoid and anxiety and i'm just like after the dmt or after the fight after the dmt really and i was like uh wonder why not fun anymore huh it makes you crazy paranoid yeah like i did it on the way to the airport i smoked on the way to the airport and dude i just could not stop thinking about death i was like dude if i crash this car if i do this and i was like on the airplane or in the airport just in my head like going crazy i was like dude i don't want to like i hope i don't act out like you know kind of like uh go through that rolling around on the ground guys on tmz yeah how's that dude they're going to lock me up in a mental institution they're going to they're not going to be hearing [ __ ] about no toad they're like dude this is [ __ ] licking toes like [ __ ] put them in a straight jacket like yeah so it's just not it's not enjoyable anymore that's funny that's my favorite way to travel when i feel like it'll be my time almost always a high like what i would do is i would when i lived in la i was 40 minutes from the airport and i would take a 200 milligram edible in my driveway and i would go let's go and then i just had to get to the airport before it kicked in yeah i did that one time on a plane and uh dude i just you know it was getting like it was like too much i don't remember how much i took but like a whole chocolate bar however much was in that
and uh dude i fell asleep on the plane i felt the plane take off i woke up when it landed and i left vegas and landed back in vegas like the plane took off and came back and it was like oh we [ __ ] had you know a malfunction or whatever and i was like this cannot [ __ ] be happening to me right now i was in the middle seat like [ __ ] it took the plane like an hour to even leave the first time and you're tripping and i was like oh my god but this is not how this was supposed to go man well the feeling of not being in control is what accentuates the the feeling of being high on a plane because when you're just strapped in that seat and you're going 500 miles an hour 30 000 feet in the air it's that alone is weird i was like how did y'all why did we have to get in the air for y'all to know that uh the plane wasn't working right kind of want to get off of this particular airplane right now yeah yeah that's scary [ __ ] we haven't had a plane crash in a long time i probably shouldn't say that knock on wood but it's been a while but that that feeling of being completely out of control and then you know you hear about pilots being underpaid and you're like oh [ __ ] pay these guys yeah 300 lives at a time yeah it's just but i knock out on the plane dude yeah i put that seat back just a little bit so i'm not straight up just a little bit put my head on the window and it's over with well that's one good thing about training all the time is you're always tired yeah yeah you could always take a little nap all the time i live by naps i can't sleep for like more than four hours at a time really or whatever i can't yeah your whole life my whole life really has to be walking around the house at like three o'clock four o'clock in the morning oh [ __ ] what do you do when that happens just [ __ ] them up yeah they still i used to like get up and go run or go work out but then i like uh i found out that over training is a real thing
so i was like dude even if i can't sleep it's probably better to just lay here and be still or you know watch tv read a book do something then go out there and train you know have you ever trained before yes yeah i've like i met you i trained i think i think i fought marcus perez my second fight and dude i trained my ass off i was running and then i'm warming up in the back and i'm talking about like three minutes into a mid session that i was [ __ ] exhausted i was like real dude i'm just i'm gonna sit down and my coach is like oh you gotta get moving i was like i don't want to leave it in here buddy i'm a [ __ ] but dude you know i fought hard for three rounds you know um but you knew that you were not at your full potential yeah yeah i was like [ __ ] dude this [ __ ] gets hectic it's gonna get you go bad like really quick i think that's like the most helpless thing is like when you're so tired you can't defend yourself and i did not want that to happen but exactly it went my way yeah that's the scariest thing for any fighter to be in that position especially if you're fighting someone who's got a crazy gas tank yeah you know when it's like when when guys level up when you get to this level of like like this max holloway level dudes who have crazy volume and never get tired and you see guys like in the middle of a fight with holloway sometimes when they're like what the [ __ ] is going on how is this guy not tired yeah like how does he keep going and it fights like that do you guys see that [ __ ] live to like truly appreciate it yes like uh i was there when he fought uh ortega oh yeah and i was like i've watched him fight on tv and it's like oh [ __ ] he's just picking and popping but dude he's got some [ __ ] thump you know yeah he's got some stuff he just doesn't he's just so smart the way he fights is so smart like super high volume a lot of footwork and movement and his his distance intelligence is knowing when to come in and when to come out and how he was like slipping away from ortega and and then he's he's helping him block yeah i was like put your hands up like
this bro [ __ ] i'm tired dude stop hitting me stop hitting me i mean helping him in the middle of the fight blocking yeah he was in the zone for sure well was the one when he was really the most in the zone when he's in the middle of that fight he's got his hands down he's talking to people on the side of the cage he's like i'm the best [ __ ] boxer in mma and then calvin's throwing punches at him he's just moving his head away like with his hands down and he just and calvin up until that was like you know he still is one of the best featherweight contenders but up until that is like hey man this guy might be a champion someday well his boxing is he's also got superb boxing yeah and he got out boxed she got pieced up yeah he got pieced up i mean that was like one of max's finest performances but it's like that joe goes to show you how [ __ ] good yaya rodriguez is because that fight was wild yeah that fight was i watched that fight again a couple of weeks ago i was in the gym and i i put it on i was working out i stopped working out just to watch that fight i was like holy [ __ ] i forgot how good this thing is he's a lot tougher than i thought he was yeah yeah bad mother [ __ ] [ __ ] his kicks are crazy like he he had high volume real power and fast [ __ ] and like more like a taekwondo style than even like muay thai style but it's real dangerous man you know who i like uh appreciated when i saw them fight live i was uh went to uh i was there when robbie lawler fought uh nick diaz oh just watching him on tv just kind of looks like he's just i was like dude this motherfucker's got fast ass hands and he even fought in you know three or four years and like he was changing up the speed i was like dude this dude is [ __ ] nick way better was amazing did you ever see one of the great fights of strikeforce was nick versus paul daly did you ever see that fight yes yeah because paul daly has one of the most lethal left hands has ever ever been thrown in all of mma that [ __ ] dude nukes everybody and he hurt nick a couple of times in that fight and
that was a crazy fight because nick was the guy that was known as a jiu jitsu black belt i mean yeah he had knocked out robbie lawler but paul daly was one of the scariest strikers to ever fight in mma i mean but still to this day one of my favorite knockout artists because he just nukes everybody he hits you with that left hand you're [ __ ] and he fights left hand forward too which is kind of crazy then he just recently retired right yep yeah he just had and he knocked his last opponent out which is perfect that's how you got to go out that's like the dream scenario perfect it's perfect so they they i mean they went to war and paul heard him paul heard him bad and the way paul punches i mean it's a [ __ ] amazing oh look at that i mean almost head kicked him there oh when he was down was that illegal back then yeah yeah yeah it was illegal back then it's not illegal in at one fc though but here's the thing paul while he's doing this is like unloading the gas tank every shot is full clip so he's essentially sprinting and that is like one of nick diaz's things he's he talks [ __ ] to you and he never throws full blast so he's hitting you with like 60 percent 50 he's he's touching you he's touching you but he's talking a lot of [ __ ] he's there at the finish line it's like even though he's throwing these kicks he's not throwing them like with everything he's got but paul is already tired like paul just sprinted trying to get nick out of it because he gets everybody out of there everybody who stands in front of him he was blasting and this fight goes into deep water in this first round and nick starts seeing him slow down so he starts attacking him and right when you think that paul's done you know paul is like taking a little break paul clips him again it hurts him again in the fight i mean it was one of the best performances of nick diaz's career and if you think people that know how good nick is a lot of people like they they don't know him from these days from the strikeforce days see that looks slow on tv but oh it's not i bet you in real life it's like he's [ __ ] whipping you oh yeah and he knows like when to throw
hard right like half the time he's pity patting you but when he's got openings he throws hard yeah and so he winds up on the bottom here but this is like the problem is you know chael sonnen once said like if you don't win by knockout and you try to win by knockout you're definitely going to lose by decision and that's kind of like what happened in this fight like look at paul is he's so tired yeah he's so tired and nick knows it too so look he's throwing kicks at him he's and he nick is a guy that swam back and forth from look he clipped him again though see dropped him again and you know maybe if paul had dropped him early in the fight like that when and he got him in this position he would have been able to really hurt him but nick has swam back from alcatraz five times like his cardio is [ __ ] crazy he does triathlons i don't know it's like at least a mile in the water yeah obviously like the current is like super strong and it's filled with great white sharks but the point is it's like nick had phenomenal cardio that was one of his biggest weapons as they could keep the heat on you two to 2.5 miles how does the distance change [ __ ] the current you're probably occurring current pushes you so look at yeah look at the current works so you're not in a straight straight shot you're getting pushed away wow that's pretty wild that's pretty wild look how far you actually have to go oh man i think i'm just gonna go go for a little swim today but it's filled with sharks that's the thing it's like that's where sharks breed there's a shitload of sharks up there they find them all the time with drones it's really spooky because people don't even know they're not going to be walking around next to them they fly a drone over them just and you you see like a [ __ ] 15-foot shark just swimming around with people yeah see your boy really don't [ __ ] with the ocean like that man i get my toes wet you know i enjoy the waves enjoy the smell of the salt water but the ankle deeps about as far as i'm going i'm with you i i will do a little bit of
snorkeling near coral reefs like if i'm on vacation as long as i get like 100 confirmation there's no sharks in this area yeah there's a lot of stuff in there that uh yeah you can get me take my chances online man it's dangerous enough out here the thing about it is like you can't move good in there that's what's [ __ ] you can't get away you know whatever it is if it pulls you under yeah even if you don't like bleed to death or lose your leg or whatever you're gonna drown which probably one of the worst ways to [ __ ] die outside of being burned a lot peaceful ways cause you just kind of black out yeah i'm gonna panic a lot before i black out dude i'm gonna exert a lot and swallow a lot of water before uh before i black out yeah it's not fun but it's like those fights like it's it's interesting to me the different kind of styles right like there's the guys that sprint and they can get guys out of there in the first round and then there's guys that just like slowly start putting heat on you and cooking you and then they come after you yeah then yeah uh i don't know i like the brawlers but there is something uh to be appreciated for like the technicians like the ottasanyas and you know the mcgregors and stuff like that uh a really interesting fight this weekend yeah that is about as big as a 185 pound man gets yeah and i think he's like super deceptively long are you sure i think he's only five eight five nine or five ten something like that but dude he bet you he could scratch his kneecap standing up i think he's bigger than that i think jared is i think he's six feet tall how how tall is canoe five nine really wow i'm confused i thought he used to be a heavyweight that's why i'm thinking it because you know jared started off his career as a heavyweight yeah and then got down to 205 and then now look at his reach he's five nine with a 77 and a half reach
yeah that is a long reach the thing about jared is like he's so [ __ ] shredded and lean and strong like that guy has serious power like serious serious power don't sleep yeah but i think the problem is is i don't think anybody controls the distance as good as adesanya does now he's the most sophisticated striker the sport's ever seen in my opinion he's set [ __ ] up he's reading you he's probing you you know when you really see it the polo costa fight because paulo costa was just steamrolling everybody just come forward steamroll steamroll and izzy just picked him apart yeah from a distance yeah you know i think the only person who's like not the only person who gave him trouble but was uh calvin gasoline calvin kind of like blitzed him a lot well kevin you know especially then in that fight you know kelvin has had some good fights and bad fights but in that fight calvin was at the top of his [ __ ] game so i don't think uh can't near has that same like speed change up that that calvin doesn't calvin does so calvin has like very smooth and efficient hands like when calvin throws his hands in combination he's like the knockout of bisping yeah that's straight left he's so efficient everything is so smooth he's a lot bigger than than you would think well he trains at fight ready too and uh it says he's six feet tall i don't know maybe he was saying 5.9 instead of actually five nine on that other thing oh that makes sense so almost six feet tall and here it says six feet tall he's definitely not five nine that makes more sense yeah because i'm like i think he's bigger than that because when he was heavyweight he was a big guy yeah either way it's a it's an interesting fight like skill wise like as far as like the sophistication the striking izzy is the man but jared is a dangerous guy sure he knocks a lot of [ __ ] people out and he knocks out blonde brunson i mean derek blenson when he was blonde speaking of that yeah bronson is yeah so so he looks a couple inches taller than um but who knows who
has shoes on sometimes because if jared is weighing in last that means jared might not have uh put his shoes back on it's it's hard to tell it's hard to tell it hasn't had 511 okay okay well whatever he's whatever he is he's awesome and he's 37 huh i used to picture him as a heavyweight too interesting this is his first title shot too yeah he was he was way bigger he's all shredded now but he's again he's 185 for about an hour he's another one yeah i wonder when he walks back into the he looks big he looks big and it's like he's very durable and very strong and the knockout of brunson was a big one because derek you know when he's blonde brunson blonde brunson super hero he was on a roll man you know you know he beat a lot of tough tough guys you know he's uh it's that's an interesting fight the really in this two really interesting fights on the card other than the main event to me it's alex pereira and sean strickland that's where the rubber hits the road dude those [ __ ] are going to meet in the middle and we're going to find that ride we're going to find out but zero takedown attempts in that fight unless strickland gets hit if strickland gets hit and he gets cracked i guarantee he's done strickland can fight on the ground yeah he's got a ground game he's got a ground game you know and uh micheladas was it mickeleitis how do you say his name he was able to take um pereira down oh the greek guy yeah and you know pereira won in the second round with that flying knee that crazy flying knee and that was like his first fight in the ufc right yeah that was his first fight in ufc yeah in madison square garden so you know yeah you know now he's got his feet wet a little bit uh bruno silva he just fought was desperately tried to take him down that guy's a bad [ __ ] bruno silva can he's a really good striker and he hit alex yeah he hit alex with some good shots there was a point where he was like dude [ __ ] the stand-up [ __ ] but he
couldn't take him down dude he's you know had him up against the cage out in space and yeah he did a really good job staying on his feet so well what what alex has done that's very interesting to me is he teamed up with glover and when he teamed up with i mean it's a interesting camp like who's going to connecticut to fight for world titles right yeah glover and glover's resurgence all coincides with him training with alex when alex came and started training with him that's when glover really made like his last run and got to the title and beat john that's why he thinks that's connected because i think iron sharpens iron i think he needed a [ __ ] assassin in camp with him like a young assassin like pereira but do you think they like spar like heavy like beat the [ __ ] out of each other smart probably not right probably not probably you're all 42 probably not strickland does though like travels just too sport apparently that's all he wants to do is just spar all day hard he spars hard all day spars with everybody i believe it you know i mean that's bobby green said it bobby green's like trained with him and seeing like what he does he's like that [ __ ] goes hard with everybody it just goes hard i've seen uh eric nixon post a picture of him sparring with nanganu he's like dude he's the only [ __ ] in the gym who seeks that guy out jesus christ yeah i sparred with that dude uh one time and i was like listen dude you're a [ __ ] big [ __ ] i'm not a big [ __ ] so you know he said ho ho you won't die i can't get now getting hurt that's another thing i was like haha you won't die yeah like ah but maybe meanwhile he's saying this he's [ __ ] got someone else's blood all over his uh rash guard and [ __ ] dude so when the round started i tried to grab him and of course you know he sprawled and i spent the whole time in half guard with him beating my body up and uh he's like oh you thought that'd be easy huh i was like no dude i didn't i didn't that was just a lesser of two evils doing that or you thumping me in my head so you know well strickland was brought
in to help uh johnny elban who just beat gegard mousasi for the bellator middleweight championship so uh if you what did you watch that fight i haven't i saw the eclipse that he was [ __ ] putting that work in i was very impressed very impressed because he's nice man very nice he is one of the best middleweights on earth and johnny won every [ __ ] round every [ __ ] day heard him dropped him early in the first round had him really badly hurt took him down dominated him on the ground i mean won every [ __ ] round and there's a fight where he was like a big underdog coming into that fight for good reasons i like the bet on though yeah like then if i see plus 900 i'm throwing something at it every rep yeah well that in that one a lot of people were like really high on alban going into that fight and that's one of the reasons why i was so interested in it like a lot of those att guys were very high on him and this is after you know gay guard had destroyed austin vanderfold he he [ __ ] him up quick and so a lot of people and then gagar was saying after the fight like i am the best middleweight on earth and he's the guy that i was always like damn i wish i wish he hadn't gone over to bellator because like he had beat chris weidman and i was like how many fights does he have that dude's like bro he beat mark hunt i'm pretty sure he submitted him if i remember correctly i think he i think he up kicked him and caught him with a a triangle or something i'm trying to remember what the [ __ ] happened in that fight but he's he can do everything yeah guard can do everything really well too and you look at him he looks like the guy who's there to fix your [ __ ] computer you know he wears glasses too right like he looks so unassuming yeah and even the way he talks so unassuming that's the cool thing about like jiu jitsu and martial arts or whatever like boxers like [ __ ] look like strangers who caught him with an armbar oh it was um you know he he beat jacare he ko'd him with an upkick um that's what it is i'm uh
and he beat melvin manhoef for the triangle man he's beat everybody dennis kang jesus christ he's beat everybody man he beat lombard what's his record something preposterous 49 8-2 or something jesus christ 49 wins and john knockouts so austin vanderfold john stalter douglas and leota machida and he lost to lovato and that was an interesting fight he was complaining that he thought lovato was on steroids but that's just because when you get in you clinch up with a guy like lovato multiple time world jiu jitsu champion yeah your your ego does not want you to believe that the guy's that strong or that good that i grapple with lovato that was that this is like the from the dude he could kill me there's like nothing and it was like effortless yeah right he's just kind of like floating around and who else is like that is uh gordon ryan oh yeah i was like dude this motherfucker's like mauling me right now i'm trying yeah he's just yeah his heart rate barely goes up all right it's time for you to tap nobody's [ __ ] i know give it up isn't it interesting when someone does that when you roll with somebody and they just kind of baby you and they're still like completely in control that's the levels of jiu jitsu that are it's so disconcerting because you feel like i'm at a pretty good level you know i can defend i'm you know i'll be fine that's also the cool thing about mma there's not a whole lot of like uh there's a lot more humble people in because you know i do i get choked out on a daily basis so i know that i can get [ __ ] up yeah like in a locker room you know there's like three or four alpha males no one ever tries them so they don't even know right [ __ ] some dude who looks like gengar musas who will [ __ ] you up choke you unconscious or knock you out there's nothing you can do about it if you saw austin vanderford right next to gay guard you're like oh this this gorilla with the [ __ ] ears and the tattoos all over his neck that guy's going to win that guy looks like a
killer fighter and gegard just lit him up on fire yeah and even the way he talks everything like nice and soft you know it's like there's cool thing about jiu-jitsu dude it's like you can't just look at somebody and be like you know brush them i was like dude i [ __ ] grab your neck it's over with oh there's a ton of guys that are like nerd assassins yeah yeah they're they're built like texts like a ryan hall yes perfect i [Laughter] it's so confusing it's the beautiful art because with jiu jitsu it's the one martial art where the big guy can get dominated by the little guy sure because in the reality is any other world where like a guy the size of say like um michael chandler has zero chance against a guy the size of francis ingano zero like zero like if they're sparring like if they're just going to throw hands he has zero chance yeah yeah i'm putting on to even get close i'm the big guy all of them but in jiu jitsu if you get a guy like charles oliveira who's that good at jiu jitsu he could strangle a [ __ ] heavyweight yeah sure and i've seen it oh yeah i've seen it guy who doesn't know jiu-jitsu gets and he's rolling just doing jiu jitsu with a guy like him and he gets your back oliveira's jiu jitsu is some of the best i've ever seen in mma it's like it's like world championship caliber jiu jitsu jujitsu but he's doing it in an mma match he's the one the one guy where it doesn't matter what happens in the fight if you go to the ground with him you're in deep [ __ ] yeah yeah like that dustin poirier they're all scared to do it yes like uh gaichi had him hurt no no no you see what happened when he dropped gaichi and then he got on top of him he just strangles you he goes straight to it i think he's at a resurgence too because i remember when he was like uh kind of got on this role they were like oh dude nah i don't think so because he's a quitter yeah he's weak i'm like all right dude [ __ ] that isn't that interesting how like i wonder what it is that chain changes in a fighter is it is it a mindset thing is it like i don't know what it is but something
happens where some guys just they don't quit anymore they just get to this level and something changes it was so my wife uh grew up with oliveira in uh guadalajara brazil and so she knows him really well and he just kind of eliminated all the negative people out of his life really uh so i guess probably started taking training more seriously you know put more time and effort in the gym and not so much into other people now he's like knocking people out yeah knocking people out strangling people is the most submissions ever in the history of the sport he's the one guy that i really wish khabib would have fought like now like if khabib was going to come back and i wonder i mean i'm very interested in khabib versus islam because that's to me that's the big fight in lightweight charles did i say khabib i meant charles i mean oliveira oliveira versus islam marker chef but if islam makachev loses to charles oliveira then if khabib had like one more in them you know there's a price tag they could throw at them that's what i'm saying like he's like break the bank bro he's as heavy as you right now though that's fine hey baby money's a motivator i know he did some water couple m's out on me like [ __ ] i get down we can do it at 70. it doesn't even matter i don't know if he's motivated by money you don't think so i don't know he's an interesting guy i mean to be as dominant as khabib was for as long as he is and you know super religious god drives a toyota truck you know everything got a price tag i know everything everything's got a price tag but i wonder i wonder what that price tag is like what is it is it 50 like what is it is it what is the what's the what's the sound like what's the number that has to come out before it's like the record skips i don't know yeah exactly what did you say to say that again all right cool how long do you say 60 million dollars yeah dude anybody on planet earth
yeah i wonder you know because there's there's paydays that happen you know like when pacquiao fought floyd you know when connor fought floyd floyd's obviously been involved in most of the big big big big paydays but there's paydays that happen where you go yeah dude you know he gets a lot of [ __ ] people say he's not smart like i don't know like what his reading level is but business mind dude the dude's [ __ ] smart as [ __ ] saying he's not smart because he doesn't have a high reading level because he doesn't read a lot is like saying that someone who who's like really good at something else like really good at playing chess but sucks at jiu jitsu is dumb because they suck at jiu-jitsu it's like how much time has he spent trying to read yeah almost none right but how much time has he spent at boxing [ __ ] his whole life you can't be that good at boxing and not be smart right it's not possible even like the business aspect like he bought himself out of his contract for like 250 000 and then a few few years later ends up fighting for 300. yeah so you know who's the dummy well he's smart enough to know how good he is yeah he was talking about triple g because you know triple g is about to fight canelo and he's like even at 40 years old he's like he's easy he goes triple g ain't nothing he's not nothing special he's easy and the way he said it it's like i believe you i don't think he's bragging he pieced up canelo man when when he fought canelo he he gave him a boxing lesson and what do you think happens now i don't know i don't know you know like floyd is 40 and he also hasn't really been fighting i mean he's been fighting but he's fighting guys like logan paul exhibitions i mean when he was fighting in japan he actually walked around or in saudi arabia walked around with was it dubai where where the [ __ ] did he fight when he fought that exhibition he walked around with a ring card girl's card he took her card and he did walk around he was having a good time entertaining
the crowd so he's more of like a showman now he fought that uh tension uh natsukawa and that guy weighs 125 pounds yeah that guy's tiny like that was like a crazy fight but made a lot of money time wins yeah by the time the time wins but the guy doesn't drink he's always in phenomenal shape still stays in condition still sparring in the gym still working out bernard hopkins had some of his best fights in his 40s yeah yeah and it's because bernard was super disciplined always super disciplined bernard was never out of shape bernard never ate [ __ ] and bernard fought like with a very defensive minded very intelligent strategy really aware knew exactly what he was doing at every moment never never opened up bernard hopkins never like wide swinging punches everything was this and here structurally perfect very defensively responsible i don't know how people do that like whenever whenever i train i can do it for like a short period of time what i'm not training dude like getting ready for a fight in particular like yeah i'll still like stay in shape but not fighting shape but dude i gotta have a have a drink or you know eat [ __ ] it's like it's good for the soul man those guys must not have souls well some of the greats agreed with you like roberto duran roberto duran like one of the greats of all time uh unnegotiable no one will disagree and roberto got fat as [ __ ] fights that's how sugary got him the second time he gave him a short amount of time to get ready and roberto was really fat he was like 190 pounds i feel like they made a movie uh about that was a documentary the four kings that's what it is right isn't that the showtime documentary isn't it called four kings it's about sugar ray thomas hearns roberto duran and marvin hagler it's phenomenal matthew you are a boxing fan it's phenomenal because those guys were just all going
back and forth with each other what's it is that what it's called the four kings i think it's that's what it is it's a showtime documentary yeah yeah there's a book called four kings the kings is all oh the kings that's what it is okay but um it's about those guys there it is the kings [ __ ] great i can't recommend it enough you want to get excited about working out watch that because in their primes man god damn there were some fights when when when roberto duran beat sugary leonard in montreal holy [ __ ] holy [ __ ] marvin was always my favorite when i was a kid because i lived in boston and he was is he from boston he was yeah he's the from uh brockton he was the man he was the i mean that was the guy representing boston on the like the world map of boxing did he always live and train in oh yeah he would go to the cape it was like a famous story we we tried to find it but i watched this thing when i was a kid it was like a news story and marvin was training for mustafa hampshire and he was running on the beach and it was like freezing cold out and uh he was running in combat boots he would run in combat boots anyway i just i guess he just wanted to he was like he was going to war so he put these boots on he was running on the beach and he was screaming war really to this day man i was like i don't know i was like 16 or 17 and i was watching i was like [ __ ] they filmed him doing it right running on the beach going whoa and he was the champ it was marvin hagler and she's like the discipline that he had like the that guy was in phenomenal shape and he would put a pace on people man he would just he was an excellent boxer the best switch hitter in the game at the time and his uh his like workout routine like his
his calisthenics routine was legendary i mean that guy was always in tip-top shape again never got fat never got out of shape he was phenomenal in his prime he was phenomenal and when he when he finally beat tommy hearns when he knocked out tommy hearns in like one of the greatest fights of all time that was when he finally got his due but like his physique like i mean marvin was [ __ ] shredded and you know there was like he had a chip on his shoulder too because like for years and years he was winning and beating everybody he was a champ but didn't quite get his due yeah you know like he always felt like they passed him by when they were glorifying sugar ray or glorifying tommy hearns that was the most dangerous [ __ ] somebody fighting for something yeah you know y'all put some respect on my name yeah he always had a chip on his shoulder and i think he needed that chip to get you know really ramped up about stuff sure you know but [ __ ] man some of his fights john the beast mugabe when he knocked out mugabe did you ever see that guy fight john the beast mugabe was terrifying he was a murderous puncher and he was knocking everybody out but the thing about haggar was one of the things about him was his chin was incredible they did an analysis almost like a i think they did an mri on him or something but they found out that the muscles on the sides of his head were three times larger than a normal person so like he had built in like head guard like hagler had like muscles on the side of his [ __ ] head do you think he developed that or it's just could be could be like if you think if you had a mouthpiece in all the time and you're you're biting down like think of that there are muscles there yeah yeah you know when you see someone like your jaw muscles those you definitely can develop jaw muscles i know there's um a lot of people have done um workouts where they take like like a elastic band and they'll wrap it in um like uh like athletic tape and they
clamp down on it and then they'll pull and they'll do things with their jaw to develop their jaw muscles you see that's like uh works your neck out too it does work your neck out a little but the best thing for the neck is something that you know is just you you're just using your neck like an iron neck iron yeah yeah yeah that thing's the best thing for the neck i think you're like the strength of your neck has a lot to do with how you can take a punch like i don't know if it's like uh maybe your net like the it absorbs it better or it keeps it from like whipping too hard when you get it yeah that's it uh i think there you know there's a correlation between like the strength of your neck and how durable you could be definitely definitely yeah no doubt the thing about they're like there's there's certain shots where you can get hit where it doesn't matter like temple shots temple shots are weird or like on the tip of tip of your chin yeah it's weird like the the human body is not designed to get hit you know it's like there's vulnerable spots but dude it's crazy i think like humans are like the most durable and fragile thing ever right you see i hear somebody getting hit by a car he's like oh [ __ ] [ __ ] somebody could step off a curb and you know tear their acl or break their lane like how the [ __ ] did that happen well we vary a lot sure you know that was the thing about hagler it was like no one could or no one could hurt him even tommy hearns like broke his hand on him in that fight but mugabe hit him with an uppercut snapped hagler's head back and hanger just kept boom kept moving forward you could see mugabe like what the [ __ ] and he eventually stopped him the only guy that ever knocked him down was juan rodan and juan roden was a [ __ ] knock down he like kind of like cuffed him behind the head pulled him down and pulled him down they called it a knock down and hagler got up i was like what the [ __ ] and they called it a knockdown it's [ __ ] up it's [ __ ] up because like that was his career like the guy
never got knocked down and this is one [ __ ] knockdown and then he wound up stopping rolling in that fight uh what do you think about colby and uh ushman you think kobe took usmandang if they account that's two points yeah colby took him down right dc says he took him down he took him down uh zero takedowns yeah that's not correct yeah i go with cormier you go with the olympic wrestler sure the olympic wrestler says he took him down the kobe is a hell of a [ __ ] wrestler he's a hell of a fighter and maybe he would be the champ if it wasn't for us mom but he's in that usman era yeah poor him it's funny because usman tells everybody like that's my gatekeeper you gotta beat kobe if you want to shout out the title and then cover he's like [ __ ] because it's like you know he's got a point yeah sure he got him twice and you know there were good fights but it was clear who won first one he stopped him the second one he dropped him hurt him bad twice i mean he's the [ __ ] man his hands got real [ __ ] good too he used to just wrestle people and that's why he probably had that 10 fight win streak before he got a mm-hmm you know title fight because i don't want to just watch somebody wrestle and he started putting hands on people oh [ __ ] okay well he got the 10 fight win streak before he got a shot at the title because nobody wanted to fight him yeah he was mauling everybody the thing about usman is if you watch up until like the colby fights nobody's even really giving him a hard time colby at least gave him some hard rounds but everybody else gets mauled i mean what he did to tyra woodley like to win the title like [ __ ] we never saw anybody do that before that man it's crazy you see some of these guys like they're beating like the ease in which they're beating the top guys like dude what the [ __ ] yeah how is he that much better and it's not like an attribute thing right it's not like because everybody at the top is big strong fast has all the attributes there's something else like probably like mentally uh that they do for preparation or
whatever that because you have to be consistent too yeah there's some guys like oh he's really good but sometimes you don't show up on fight night right and these [ __ ] are showing up every night against every opponent and i think that's the difference between like a mid-tier guy and you know you know the the one percent of the one percent is the guys who show up consistently and can perform in any situation adverse situation and some of these guys like ushman adasanya all the other yeah they do it with ease like yeah what the [ __ ] well i mean adasanja's had tough fights right he lost to yambohovic that was a tough fight and you know he's he's had like difficult moments inside the octagon but figured it out but khabib never even had a tough moment yeah i'm not even sure he's ever been hit for real he got hit michael johnson johnson cracked him he hit him with a good punch and rocked him a little but then he wound up beating the [ __ ] out of johnson and said you gotta quit i i need the title fight yeah he's you know i deserve this you know i deserve this that's gotta be demoralizing he's like [ __ ] dude you know you might have a point that was one of those uh moments where i'm like please tap please yeah because i was waiting for that like when frank mir fought noguera and snapped his arm like when he had him in that full kimura i'm like jesus christ johnson please tap please tell me because it's coming the same with maka chef and dan hooker when manchester had dan hooker like that i'm like oh please tab please tap because that kimura when you don't tap that is a nasty breath yeah spiral oh and that's like the worst one you can have outside of a compound yeah when they when that thing snaps too it's like now you're [ __ ] for maybe the rest of your life dude when freight mayor did that to nogueira no gary just kind of looked over got up he was like oh you know i don't know if that's right but uh i do are you not in pain right now dude that should not hurt because it looks
like it hurts well how about when um muniz did it to jacare yeah ugh yeah we could hear that one like was it uh no crowd was it an apex i don't remember i feel like that one would echo it was loud it was loud whatever it was was loud like you could hear the crack but you could also see the arm yeah and he's been in that position he gets to that position he's very uh he got me like that yeah i'll let him break my [ __ ] though here it is so he rolls and see jacqueline's right arm is [ __ ] right now and then watch how he turns watch ah that this [ __ ] hurts watching it yeah was he uh the best jiu jitsu guy you've ever fought manis by far in a way for sure what was it like um like he wasn't like super strong he's just like a step ahead you know like uh he was on my back fell off my back and i thought that he cuz he had my leg too so i was like kind of doing a split so i thought he was going for that uh that knee bar i don't know what it is like uh funk master hit it on cody stamen yeah that knee bar i was like nah i ain't going out like that but then he like tucked my hand into his uh in his hip and then uh so i was like and i didn't even realize and i knew that i knew the it's great i prepared for that arm bar like i knew that that was his thing but i thought he was going for the leg and i'd be able to post and get up and he's like his face was right there so i was like maybe i can get it with my arm and i was like [ __ ] it's too late [ __ ] [ __ ] and it kind of sucks because you're like thinking about it's like damn i'm kind of stuck here my arm's not broke yet but it's hurting should i just let it break should i just no i think i think i'll tap and then save my uh save my arm yeah [ __ ] that in like a you know millisecond all those thoughts go through your head as your arms like all right dude [ __ ] it especially with that guy because you've seen him break arms yeah you know
like frank mirror if that guy gets your arm just tap me broke two arms who else broke two arms inside the octagon you know frank mirror's probably the leading armbreaker in the history of the armed collector yeah i mean he broke noguera's arm and he broke tim sylvia's arm two top flight guys two world champions yeah [ __ ] [ __ ] no who knows what the [ __ ] frank mirror would have happened to him if he didn't get hit by that car you know he was on a motorcycle some [ __ ] ran a red light slammed into him sent him flying and heavy fracture of his his they had a video of that right i don't know i don't know like a cctv kind of maybe i don't know i never saw it but i know that it took him forever before he came back before he was 100 again it took forever and especially on the weight-bearing bone you know it takes a little bit longer well look at connie he's a big guy it's been a year plus for connor like how long has it been since he lost he broke his leg with dustin i want to say it was july of last year i'm not sure somewhere around there and like he's just started kicking the bag just started doing it now like what i had heard was that just a few months ago he couldn't pivot off of it it's like he couldn't he couldn't torque like he wanted to throw a left hook and pivot off his left leg he couldn't do it he's it looks like he's getting better now i mean he's throwing kicks with it you have to think that like when he goes into his next fight how much is he going to kick that certainly that's got to be in like the back of your mind right i broke that [ __ ] one time but also now he's got a titanium plate in it like if you could just get plates all over your [ __ ] like a wolverine right like imagine if someone like you know how dudes in baseball they get that tommy john surgery there's guys who get surgeries that don't need it because they want to be able to throw better yeah because it's like the rehab and they tighten up that ah ligament or whatever i talked to uh my
friend the late great brody stevens and he was saying it's very rare that guys have done that but he does believe that people have done it they've gotten elective surgery just so they could throw harder i'm like that's pretty crazy but if you could get your forearms done your upper arms done your your thigh done i just want my skull done think think i wonder if that's possible i wonder if you could like get your chin done broke my hand and they had put a plate in there and i don't think it uh i don't think it makes it harder no dude that was agony dude i broke it in a fight i broke it fighting uh theodor uh theodoro and it didn't really hurt like i could tell that i broke like my hand just felt a little looser you know and uh you know i could do this and see this little bone or whatever go up and down but after the fight took a shower sat in the stands watched the rest of the car carried my son out of there and uh but after surgery i was like this [ __ ] this is agony dude and they do they uh it looks like an erector set there's like a plate there and like screws that i'm sure i'm sure they [ __ ] use the power drill to [ __ ] drill that [ __ ] in there and i was like as i see the x-ray and i was like dude that's why this [ __ ] hurts through the [ __ ] so does it hurt still no not at all how long did it take before it felt okay again uh i think like six weeks i think i fought him in december and then i fought again in maybe june but you're no april i fought round tree after him and you obviously don't have any problem throwing it because you you no yeah yeah you're not hesitant i've had that tommy john surgery too oh you did you had that done yeah and i thought like i had a pinched nerve in the elbow and did like these two fingers that i couldn't feel it was just like ants running down my arm the whole time i'd wake up in the middle of the night like
after i thought i'm a cheated i didn't have any uh it's like all the range of motion i had really in my elbow that's it just like a foot yeah and i you know i really couldn't even you know do anything with it and then uh i fought machida with essentially one arm and i was like you know maybe it's not the guy to fight with [ __ ] one arm you know um yeah dude after surgery i got they taking bone chips out of there bone spurs you know now i got everything everything back wow how many different surgeries have you had just those two no i've had quite a few how many uh my hands my elbow i tore my achilles oh [ __ ] that's a big one yeah that was weird because i went my entire football career and never even pulled a hamstring really never never even pulled the hamstring and i think the worst injury i had was like a [ __ ] corneal abrasion and uh i was playing flag football like maybe two years later for a charity thing and i was running and did i just you hear like you hear it pop it didn't really hurt and i kind of fell and i thought somebody like kicked my foot so i got up and i was like that's [ __ ] up whoever just you know tripped me and i realized nobody's around me so i was like damn i just tripped over my own feet [ __ ] and uh i tried to take a step and my heel didn't come off the ground so i was like that's not right so i started looking at everybody's uh everybody's face i thought it dislocated at that point but my foot's facing any other direction than uh it should be people are gonna freak out as i look down i said okay cool my toes are facing forward and i took another step and my same thing the heel didn't come off the ground i was like dude i just just tore my achilles [ __ ] how long did that rehab that's a big one didn't it yeah that [ __ ] took a
while but i think i tore it in like july and then i fought in uh december no that following february so i think like i fought like nine months when did it feel like you could start working out again uh i'm kind of uh i kind of pushed the envelope when it comes to that thing so like they were like you have to wear a boot with like this pad in it and then eventually like you take a little bit of the pad out so your foot lays flat in the in the boot i never even wore the thing just the boot and then because dude that was on crutches it was summertime it's hot as [ __ ] every time you hear that [ __ ] click click click i'm getting off of these as soon as possible and uh so i started walking around in the boot i started running jogging i think it's good when when you get injured with something like that like was this before you were fighting uh no i was fighting this was uh but it may have been an amateur was in the ufc no so when you were doing that did you have access to good rehabilitation facilities some of the best in the world are right there in birmingham oh okay all like the wwe guys all the pro guys like ball sports baseball football come to dr andrews in uh birmingham oh that's because there's so many so much sports going on down there yeah what have you ever used the uh ufc he's the guy who invented uh tommy john surgery oh really yeah oh no [ __ ] so everybody like a lot of baseball players uh come to birmingham to do surgery get surgery and uh the guy who runs it now dr kane he was actually the alabama team doctor when i was there so he's done all my stuff oh wow except for my eye i had to go somewhere else is that the corneal abrasion no i uh have a wrinkle in my retina which yeah that's the first time i heard that [ __ ] like straight lines uh would be like wavy uh my depth
reception was getting [ __ ] up and uh i was like dude i think i think i'm going blind in my right office yeah they're like oh no i mean eventually you're gonna have cataracts but you're not there yet yeah is this a genetic predisposition or is this from getting stocked in place yeah yeah uh trauma i guess is what they said and um yeah so they had to go in there and he's like i uh essentially spot welded your your retina and you know cleaned it up or whatever and i was like that's my eye yeah that's when you uh appreciate a guy like michael bisping right yeah yeah that guy is a wild [ __ ] dude when i heard that i was like dude this is my new favorite fighter dude you can't say [ __ ] fights with one eye and won the world title yeah and then defended the world title with one eye yes i was like what's your excuse yeah look at that [ __ ] i always say that i would never suggest that anybody did that never of course not never but i'm glad he did it yeah just because it's a story just because he did it and he got away with it and he won the world title and no one's ever going to take that away from him yeah but you know you kind of need both eyes you need to see [ __ ] coming from yeah coming from over here you know well that's why he explained the anderson silva flying knee knockout you know when anderson when he was like looking for his mouthpiece he dropped his mouthpiece and he's trying to point to the referee to tell him that his mouthpiece was out and anderson hit him with a flying name yeah because he can't see out of this eye so he's like pointing to this and anderson yeah cracks it up drops him i [ __ ] that mouthpiece dude i got that guy in front of it and then he wins the next round i mean michael bisping that man is the epitome of mental toughness yeah sure that there's not no more mentally challenging thing than you're competing in a sport that's already blinded one of your eyes and you're competing at the highest level and you win the world title he probably out you know he probably wasn't hurting for
money so it probably wasn't like he had to right excuse me had to do that he's a [ __ ] savage yeah he's a [ __ ] savage i mean god damn that's one of the most impressive things i've ever heard in my life and i didn't believe it at first i was like surely not and he's like oh yeah look and then pop that out take that hang out you see what's going on behind there they still to this day can't fix it he said he can tell the difference between the lights being on and off that's it that's it yeah so they said you have a wrinkle so they spot welded it but why do they think you're going to get cataracts i'm not you know i've uh really didn't pay attention to that part but he just said eventually you're going to have cataracts and that would they be able to do something about the cataracts i don't know you know they uh i think like medical technology is advancing so fast like when i was younger like an acl injury that your career is done right but now you got guys like adrian peterson i don't know if you know who that is but that [ __ ] came back and set the russian title in nine months after tearing his uh acl yeah it's crazy so i'm not really worried about like outside like brain stuff like physical stuff i'm not really worried about because by the time i get there they're going to have an answer i think so too i think you're at a good point right now where there's uh there's so much medical technology that's coming down the pipe too they just keep finding new and better ways to fix things new better ways to surgically repair things it's an interesting time the only thing they can't write like they're still [ __ ] when it comes to knees like when it comes to like meniscus and cartilage yeah and this kissing cart like that's here's another thing camaro usman his knees are [ __ ] yeah when he was on the podcast he told me he can't walk on sidewalks sometimes he has to walk on the grass because it hurts too much to walk on the sidewalk
you imagine that [ __ ] was 100 imagine [ __ ] he can't run he doesn't do any cardio like that he does all his cardio he does like high intensity stuff and he does wrestle because you have to but he's like i've he said he's accepted the fact that when this is all done he's gonna have to get his knees replaced that is wild yeah and if you look at it like his legs are not big he does not have big legs his upper body's [ __ ] jacked yeah right but his legs you know not not impressive you think that has something to do with it i think because his legs are [ __ ] because his knees are [ __ ] he can only do so much with his legs what does the muscle have to do with the cartilage you think well i think he can't use his legs the same way you would use them you know if his knees were fine you know what i mean like if his knees were fine he's doing squats up hills and [ __ ] like that i don't think he could do that i think he has to get all of his cardio in different things maybe it's a blessing maybe if he had big legs he'd have to fight it maybe that's a good point yeah but i mean who knows i mean i don't know how much he cuts weight but i imagine he cuts quite a bit because he seems very he's got to be over 200 pounds he's got to be over 200 pounds but that brings you to guys like sean strickland who fought at 170 and was like really struggling now at 85 he's just lighting it up you know he probably wasn't uh like cutting weight he's probably doing that six hours in the sauna thing to not dieting maybe so i think like when you do that your brain gets dehydrated as well so that like there's like a little like membrane or fluid barrier between your skull and your brain to keep you you know cushion your brain i think when you wear that down your brain is crashing into your skull that's how guys you know get dazed and wobbled and you know kind of lose their durability yeah i don't know about the technical aspects of that but i do know for a fact that when guys dehydrate themselves heavily they lose their ability to take a shot for some reason it's just it just makes sense like you're weakened yeah sure especially if you do it incorrectly and you don't rehydrate
correctly and then that was a big complaint that a lot of guys had like when they took away the ivs you know a lot of guys like hey you know we're going to see a lot more guys get hurt because they just can't rehydrate the same way yeah somebody was telling me that they were using the ivs to like flush like epo and stuff yep so i was like well i mean you guys just brewing it for everybody else well they can mask steroid use they can mask some steroid use apparently that's what nowitzki was saying they can mask some steroid use with ivs i'm not exactly sure how that works but i think it's just some stuff shows up in your urine and if you could just get a bunch of fluids in your system like so much so that yeah that it flushes it all out that you can't find the trace of what it is do the early days everybody was on something you know when i first started working for the ufc was 97 i started working for um the ufc at ufc 12 and everybody was on something dude as soon as i get out of that testing pool man i'm going to the doctor give me the cocktail dude i want to be 22 again i'm gonna be [ __ ] hercules yeah with half the work do you um do anything to try to elevate your testosterone now are you doing is there any like oh man 35 you're 35 right i started taking that uh it's like a nigerian route what is it that's it yeah dude i'm out here shooting ropes now shooting ropes i like you're not taking like makaroo and uh yo and bean i was like dude this is [ __ ] it's not right doing anything but that stuff yeah yeah did you get your testosterone checked before and after uh i got checked before uh i haven't got the results back i just started this like two weeks ago that big a difference that quick huh so you know that's [ __ ] oh yeah rottweiler so i'm just you know waiting you know and then you know maybe after like a month or two i'll go back and get my testosterone checked again and see what it is um interesting and that stuff's legal yeah i think you can take like roots and
like tree barks and stuff like that mmm how weird do you know that that's uh how they make testosterone they make it off of a mexican wild yam really yeah these are yam what yam is this i don't know find out i'm gonna go i don't think you could eat it and get testosterone i don't understand how they do it well i can find out that's in the oven there's something i don't understand how they do it i really don't i've never even looked into it but i do know that from uh they do this carbon i think it's carbon isotope testing they can find out whether or not the testosterone that's in your body has come from uh exogenous sources like wild yams but one of the things novitskiy was saying was that they don't because these guys like usada guys they always have to think like multiple steps ahead because people are like when barry bonds and you know victor conte had that clear [ __ ] the criminal was always a step ahead yeah yeah so he's thinking what nowitzki said is like theoretically at least they should be able to extract testosterone from animals and if they extracted testosterone from animals then injected into people you might not be able to detect whether or not that came from an animal or whether or not it came from the human being themselves so it might look like natural levels of testosterone so you can get testosterone from a [ __ ] silverback yeah take it yeah the [ __ ] five times i was just gonna go with a chimp because they have the bigger nuts yeah yeah you know why it's interesting because uh female chimps are promiscuous so when female chimps are promiscuous the male chimps grow bigger nuts and bigger dicks yeah that's why uh male humans have uh big dicks because female humans are like if you look at gorillas gorillas have tiny dicks like the smallest and the yeah you know the female gorillas are chilled they're not interested in [ __ ] around but female chimps they [ __ ] around like crazy yeah and so male chimps have giant nuts i'm saying a little you know animal planet or whatever [ __ ] you know there's like a alpha monkey or whatever and he's the only one who's supposed to [ __ ] exactly but as soon as he goes off in the trees
yeah exactly okay steroid chemists are often referred to the 1930s as a decade of sex hormones when molecular structures of certain sex hormones were determined and first introduced to medical practice as drugs russell marker achieved the first practical synthesis of the pregnancy hormone progesterone by what now is known as the marker degradation producing produced from starting material in a species of mexican yam markers progesterone eventually became the preferred precursor in the industrial preparation of the anti-inflammatory drug cortisone important research on sex hormones continues in mexico leading to the synthesis of the first useful oral contraceptive in 1951 ah interesting ah so i can take a pill and kill my sperm i guess so this but this does have something to do with testosterone doesn't it yeah there's a chemical compound in it called this this dios dioskinin i don't know skin diox and i believe they synthesize that into making wild it's all from this one [ __ ] yam isn't that crazy like how'd they even find that if you think about all the plants that they don't know about that are in the amazon like pretty wild so wild yam is also often promoted as a natural alternative to estrogen therapy cbc used for estrogen replacement therapy vaginal dryness hey in older women pms menstrual cramps weak bones osteoporosis increasing energy and sexual drive in men and women [ __ ] yams [ __ ] wild yeah sweet potatoes for breakfast every day it's great it's crazy like uh how people know how like ayahuasca how they know like watch an animal eat like the tree bark and start tripping but what's going on or watch you know something to eat mushrooms but there's two failing theories right the prevailing theory number one that's told by the shaman is that the plants told them what to add up like in that when they say the plants they're not sure if they're saying uh mushrooms because you know psilocybin mushroom use
is also like there's apparently not a great history of psilocybin use in the amazon but when terence mckenna went down there with his brother they found psilocybin mushrooms everywhere and they took so much of them that his brother was [ __ ] for like two weeks it was so big and these guys are like legitimate scientists yeah his brother took so much that he he basically evaporated for like two weeks and it took two weeks for him to come back well i think he's just tripped so hard you know like a crazy dose is like five grams of mushrooms that's a crazy dose how much have you took it one time i think i've gotten pretty close to that i've taken seven at once what was that like man it wasn't uh what i expected really i thought it was going to be like the toad but i had never like heard or anything about the toad everybody's like oh you [ __ ] take a heroic dose yeah that's what they were telling me was cause i [ __ ] dude i'll do something did you do it outside were you like hanging out dude i kind of uh nah i you know got away from the family check myself into a hotel and uh turned off the lights closed the curtain and down the hatch but the right i went to the wrong [ __ ] hotel i just hear [ __ ] arguing and you know [ __ ] you know arguing with their [ __ ] girl and [ __ ] i was like dude this [ __ ] sucks dude i'm just like giggling and laughing just like you know a normal mushroom trip and i was like ah dude so [ __ ] by midnight i was back at the house [ __ ] watching cartoons and [ __ ] the problem also is that like some psilocybin mushrooms are way stronger than other ones and you could get a you know you're buying them from a guy you know yeah who knows if he's doing it right and you know cultivating them right i bought some from a guy he's like yeah these are great they're hydroponic you know the guy plays symphony for him he sings to him i was like i don't really give a [ __ ] about that just tell me what mushrooms dude well the way i always describe dmt
is it's mushrooms times a million plus aliens yeah that's that's uh like you know that i'm sure you know but like the two different kinds and dimethyltryptamine yeah so that's like the aliens for me it's like floating around in geometric shapes and bright colors and [ __ ] is that the one you did or did you do i did foxy i did the mbo i've done that too the five mio is pretty wild because that that one you cease to exist yeah the thing about an end dimethyltryptamine is when you're taking it you're still there yeah you're still you like it's still eric but it's eric in another universe the the i've done it the i've done that twice and i think the second time i think it was the the nnn because like i was still like rolling around on the ground and slobbering and stuff but i was still like present did you see visuals though in my body yeah i was like i like hit it laid back and there was a ceiling fan and uh did i just watch the ceiling fan like and then it stopped and then it started doing all the all the crazy patterns yeah i was like oh [ __ ] here we go dude but i never left my body like uh my soul or you know whatever it is uh the first time i did it that everything just went white i was panicking oh [ __ ] oh [ __ ] oh [ __ ] and then i was like well you're dead buddy you give it up yeah just you know just relax and uh you know see where you go from here whatever that's what it feels like when you actually do go i wonder just like maybe i'm sure like uh like a matt brown or somebody would be somebody to ask right the guy who died what happened he died those guys are scary there's something about those guys that have like overdosed and died they come back like court mcgee matt brown that the theory like all those guys who were like junkies and beat addiction they have unlimited cardio they don't ever get tired matt brown's a little older now so you know of course but court mcgee doesn't get tired uh jared gordon doesn't really
get tired you know so you ever seen court's cardio routine though yeah it's [ __ ] insane he does everything with like a 45 pound vest he runs miles with a 45 pound vest on like he does a lot of wild cardio [ __ ] i met him when i was training at factory x one time and he started telling me all these stories about him being like uh a dick and i was like you yeah i would think that you were like [ __ ] amish or you know right you know [ __ ] no technology [ __ ] out in the woods you know like [ __ ] dude well he went the other way you know like he went from being the guy who's uh drug addict ruined his life to being like super disciplined yeah he's a big advocate too yeah that's cool yeah it's uh it's interesting guys that like develop a base of cardio and then push it and keep pushing it keep pushing it like you can take your cardio to some crazy [ __ ] places and some dudes their cardio is like one of their primary weapons they just can put a pace on people like max hollow is a good example that he puts a pace on people and they have a really but so is vulkanovsky so that fight this weekend yeah i know that one like those first two fights were so [ __ ] close they were so close hey i'm going i can't wait whenever i leave out of here i'm gonna go yeah i'm very excited to vegas very very excited for that i don't know what the [ __ ] gonna happen in that fight so there's those two fights there's uh canon ear versus izzy there's max holloway versus volkanovsky let me see the whole card let me see the whole card and then sean strickland versus pereira that's the that's first of all how crazy is sean strickland to take that fight because pereira is not even ranked and sean strickland's number four yeah yeah big risk that's a big fight right there oh that's right pedro munoz versus sean o'malley so young punisher versus sugar shawn that's an interesting fight too that's a very interesting fight so is that the main card on pay-per-view yeah they just announced that the misha tate fight has been moved to the next
well they don't i just looked i didn't see any announcement on what happened but they just moved it to the next pay-per-view or the long island card interesting of the month yeah i think sean o'malley is going to be hard to beat yeah oh brad rydell versus jalen turner that's an interesting fight too because jalen at lightning is so big he's so long and robbie lawler versus brian barbarina that's a great fight ian gary versus gabriel green ian gary's a bad [ __ ] that's an interesting guy and oh and so they're doing jim miller versus donald cerrone because of the joe lauzon fight fell out again interesting uriah hall and andre muniz oh [ __ ] interesting they got they keep having moonies like almost undercover you know they don't have him in high profile bouts i think that's like what that's you i mean he's fighting you ride hard that's pretty yeah but it's uh the early prelims that's the fight pass prelims yeah the other i think these are on abc yeah these are on oh interesting and so oh that's right so they're putting that on abc they're going to have a whole card on abc soon and then early so let me see the earlier that's the early yeah so jessica i may see barbara that's a good fight brad tavarez that's a good okay interesting wait a minute so jessica rose clark that click on that isn't that um where the [ __ ] did she just fight let me see what she oh she fought okay yeah so it's a good card like top to bottom that's a good card top to bottom that's a phenomenal car damn yeah there's no duds on that card that whole card is pretty [ __ ] banging that brad rydell jalen turner boy i didn't even know that fight was happening that is a [ __ ] fantastic fight because jalen is about as six three 155 what the [ __ ] man
the way he's built too yeah and knockout power too like real long super good boxing too yeah real clean and um um michael bisping when he was preparing for luke rockhold was sparring with him because he was like literally the size of luke rockhold which is crazy jesus yeah at 155. so it's like do you think there should be more weight classes uh yeah yeah yeah but this is the thing like if you have like a 85 and a 95 i mean it's just going to be the 205 versus cutting the 80 to 95 you know right but but maybe the people that can barely get to 205 won't do that because there's a lot like jon jones not fighting at 95. no he's not losing another 10 pounds like he's he's so big for 205. like the really big guys at 205 they're not going to do that but i think like boxing for example has so many weight classes because i don't it's the wrestlers that kind of like inspired the weight cutting thing like these drastic weight cuts yeah so i like i think that's why there's fewer weight uh classes in mma because boxers [ __ ] not cutting 30 40 pounds no one's doing that yeah no weight class every seven pounds or five pounds or whatever it is i mean look at that's one of the crazy things about canelo that canelo's willing to go all the way up to light heavyweight you know when he fought floyd i think they fought at 152 you know and here he is fighting beval at 75 which is crazy yeah you know um like for me i always feel more comfortable fighting at 85 because i know i put in like more work and preparation like even like when you have to watch what you're eating when you eat it you know it's like takes a lot of discipline at 205 if i leave the gym i feel like go grabbing a burger i can go grab a burger you know so i can't do that when i fight at 85's when i fight 85 i know that i've crossed all the eyes or across all the t's and dotted all the eyes and did everything if i had 205 i'm like well
let's see how it goes guys dominique cruz says the same thing he says there's something about the discipline required to make bantamweight that makes him a better fighter it's true well for me anyway so you feel that even so it's not just that at 85 you're you're really big for the weight class but it's also just the fact that you mentally you know that you've put in that work to get down yeah i know my cardio is going to be on point i know like i've put in i've done everything that i can including like the diet and you know it's just uh something about knowing that you've done everything everything everything everything that you didn't leave anything out i could still do and train and do all the same things but i just don't feel has like uh maybe it's just a mental thing i don't feel as like prepared fighting at 205 because i know i've had those cheeseburgers i know i've had that right you know rib eye or whatever yeah if you like if there was no weight cutting as far as dehydration what do you think is like the lowest comfortable weight that you could get down to uh will you be shredded but be able to fight like 200 200 i'm a fat kid you know so if i just like ate well i wouldn't be 2 30. right you know wait well i want to enjoy my life but if you're lean and healthy it would be 200. yeah i would probably have to work a little bit to get to 200 but i wouldn't it wouldn't be that hard do you think it's possible to ever get to a point where there is no weight cutting like do you think that that would ever happen um i don't know one does it right nobody that's white they did they do something i've heard there's ways around what one does too i heard there's a little bit of shenanigans going on there's always going to be a way criminal is always a step ahead right have you ever seen uh catch me if you can uh leonardo dicaprio oh yeah a long time ago yeah yeah so like all the like the fraudulent checks and stuff they learned from him like he you know he eventually gets caught yeah and he started working for the fbi to catch up to this y'all
[ __ ] up this is how simple this [ __ ] is yeah well that's what victor kante did victor conte after he got busted and went away he came back and he was like let me show you how i did it and then he became the guy that calling out everybody else for having bad drug testing which is kind of ironic yeah you know you're the power of the tea kettle buddy i'm fascinated by one one fc is fascinating to me because they do muay thai fights they have uh grappling matches and when it comes to just straight mma they allow a lot of [ __ ] like knees on the ground knees to the head on the ground i think that should be allowed if i'm in a dominant position why do i lose offense why do i lose weapons because you can't get off the ground or you're in a turtle position right or you know you get up carelessly why why am i penalized for right it changes the way people fight right because if you knew if you're in a turtle and you know that a guy can just drop knees in your head you're not gonna lay there you're gonna move you're gonna you're gonna defend yourself you're gonna get out of there [ __ ] yeah i've seen some horrific knock go to one fc's um uh instagram page they have the best yeah oh my god dude i [ __ ] scroll through that thing forever some of their chaos are yeah like and this there's this one dude who was landing these knees on the ground to the head inside control and you realize that from side control the whole the game scroll down a little bit i'll show you where it is it shows the whole game is completely different you see a guy on the ground inside control you better get your ass up let's see if we can find it there yeah i've won a fight and actually got a bonus off of soccer kicking somebody and got disqualified for kneeing somebody uh on the side of the head it was interesting i don't see it and they changed the rules too it used to be one hand they were one hand was down they were still up and then they changed it if anything
other than their feet was on the ground where did you uh where were you allowed to soccer kick somebody uh i fought tim williams in for uh lincoln nebraska it was a ufc fight really you soccer kicked him to the body or to the head to the head he like uh oh that's it right there see that dude um yeah that right there watch this this is crazy boom yeah you gotta play that with sound yeah give me some sounds [Applause] that's a perfect example because in that position in the ufc that's like not as dangerous a position you can kind of hold on but if a guy can do that i mean that is what that's martial arts that's if you can drop an elbow on someone's head why can't you do that i feel like you should be able to do that especially in this position particularly because you're not even trapped against the cage right like that that guy's there in that spot like you gotta [ __ ] move you can't lay there like that yeah that's nasty so when i fought the tim williams he like threw a head kick and uh i blocked it and he fell it was like 20 seconds left in the fight so he was like trying to get up quick the technical get-up that i stepped in and put him down oh i remember that fight i have his teeth marks still in my shin oh dude he had like a boil and bite mouthpiece like not even like one that oh really as i did i don't know if that's the if you want to use that ever again yeah [ __ ] that you need to get a fitted one yeah what kind of cup do you use do you use like a diamond cut yeah those are the diamond mma cups of the [ __ ] yeah compression torch and dude i see like every single night right there boom the perfect timing every single nut shot everybody drops on the ground i was like dude yeah if you have one of those diamond cups you don't feel [ __ ] look at that perfect timing i think i get hit in the nuts almost everywhere as he's getting up boom i mean you couldn't have timed that better right when the hand lifts up is when you land the shot but uh under those rules even if his hand is down he was still considered up at the time right one down right two down two down
as a down fighter one this that's like weird yeah but that's why i like what one fc is doing better you know i was talking to tim kennedy about this the other day because he's been he won fights were you allowed to knee on the ground because you know he's a strong guy you get a guy in a position where you get like a front headlock and you can just drop elbows on him or drop a knees on him rather and in the ufc you can yeah it's kind of weird because it's a good effective weapon it's a good position for the guy on top so why do i get penalized right the soccer kick on the ground is just that's so ruthless i think it just doesn't look appealing for on tv like you know you want soccer moms and kids to watch so maybe a dude getting drilled in his [ __ ] is at this point i think we have enough people watching i don't think we have to worry i think we need to try to lure in them soccer moms by eliminating soccer kicks diamond cup is awesome i think yeah i have been kicked in the nuts in every single fight and it doesn't bother me one time roundtree did it at the end of the fight and i was just so ready for the fight and it hurt too it's probably the only time that it hurt but i was so ready for that [ __ ] fight to be over with i was like i'm just gonna just gonna ride it out dude that dude kicked so [ __ ] hard yeah imagine getting kicked in the dick i was like and you caught him right when he came out of thailand too yeah he had that tie style like real light on that front leg hey man what are you doing man that was so impressive damn that dude is he's one of my favorite guys to watch because when he gets rolling and his technique is on man he's terrifying i think it's up here for him yep like some fights he comes out uh unfortunately like he did against me there's call of confidence in the world against that uh medescus or the guy who [ __ ] stomped his knee out yeah but then other fights you know i think he kind of gets into himself a little bit and you know gone on some times where he's thinking about retiring you know and you know as well as anybody that when you're one foot in one foot out it's not
really the best yeah you see guys that are like that and like you see the the decline in their performances they just don't see the same anymore you know train is hard no diet right did you see the anthony pettis fight the stevie ray fight yeah we actually went it was in atlanta oh was it yeah that fight was interesting i never that he he sent it to me stevie ray sent it to me and i watched it i was like what are you doing here like that's like a body lock and then he's he's got like uh he's got the arm captured and he's using the the forearm on the neck so he hurt his ribs well it's it's a neck crank man it's a neck crank watch how he does it see look right arm goes to the side of the neck now watch when he gets the grip once he gets the grip here and he he's using the leverage of his legs and then cranking against the neck watch this right here right here it's a neck crank man oh it doesn't look like he hurt his ribs too he's holding on to his roots he's saying he's uh i think he [ __ ] everything up i think he [ __ ] up but he shows the setup he he sent me this setup too like this is something that he does oh so he this wasn't like on the fly no no no no oh he's got the body lock but watch when he gets the right forearm on the side of the neck and then he clamps his his arms together and it's basically like it's a spinal lock yeah because it's crazy pressure look at that look at that on the neck man it's probably also on the left side of his ribs because that's where the body lock is clamped down to but he also has a twister finish in mma so he he's like very familiar with that those leverage positions where you you're really cranking on the neck bending your [ __ ] where it don't bend twisters are you ever been caught one of those oh yeah horrible that's that early though that's a terrible position to be in little [ __ ] neck up dude you know uh [ __ ] a lot of discs up in my neck when i first started no one told me don't be an [ __ ] and not tap oh so i'd be like getting choked out and you know here i see that my neck hurts and uh man for the longest time i thought my uh trap or my neck was just
tight on that side and i couldn't turn it but then i went to a cellular performance place in a mexico and got stem cells in my uh thing and dude it made you know did you go to the place in tijuana yeah ed clay's place yeah yeah shout out to ed clay yeah yeah i love that dude yeah i love that he's doing that but it's kind of crazy you have to go to tijuana because you can't do it in america i think it's the way they uh not incubate but like cultivate yes the stem cells that they don't let you do it here but they let you do it there so it had a big effect on you man night and day really yeah i couldn't wrestle because you have to do all that you know head position you can use your head when you wrestle i just couldn't turn my neck all the way so did they go actually into your discs yeah so they like uh they uh i was like are you guys gonna put me to sleep you're like no because there's a nerve in there and if we hit it you have to let us know i was like dude what [ __ ] am i gonna do don't be [ __ ] paralyzed what are you talking about and then uh but yeah so they like they don't put you to sleep they just kind of like dull it like you can definitely feel the needle uh go in some novocaine um i don't know something like that it's not a topical like i got an iv and uh the dude was like they were pumping up a bike tire it just like it felt my neck just kind of like i think i might have grown a little bit well that's what is exciting about stem cells with discs is that they can regrow that disc tissue which is the only time i've ever heard of anyone being able to do that because generally speaking when you get degenerative discs which is i have that i have a bunch of discs that are smaller they get smushed down from years of grappling and i had a bulging disc in my neck once at one point that was pretty bad that was like making my hands numb and yeah pushing on nerves and [ __ ] but now they're able to shoot
it into the discs and you can regenerate the tissue so it actually gives you that cushion in between your discs it like re-inflated it yeah and i was like and they were like i mean you cause i'm staying at a hotel and they're like you can go home but i wouldn't recommend that you do because that's just gonna hurt uh when that you know whatever that the medication wears off and i was like dude this [ __ ] doesn't hurt you know maybe i just i'll take your word dude there was i was sitting in my room it's like call us when it starts to hurt like they knew what was uh and so i was like all right there's a dude that's just starting to wear off and dude i was like on my hands and knees like there was just no position that i could like put my neck where the [ __ ] didn't hurt and i was like man y'all come on with it man give me something to put put me down and the next day though is like zero pain you know nothing so how long did it take before you could start training again after uh they told me six weeks because when you get the stem cells if you keep like doing stuff that like inflames you the stem cells are gonna attack that instead of like the current issue oh so like just chill for six weeks let the stem cells do their thing and then you know you go back to training like progressively uh is it hard for you to do that though it is chill i can't like i haven't stopped moving since i said if i am sure i just like i can't ever like sit still and so six weeks later you started to go and you could immediately feel that it was yeah i got that same thing was happening like my fingers were going numb like i have to always like pop and crack my neck which is probably like the last thing that you should do in that situation but uh man zero neck pain i can turn my my neck all the way my fingers don't tingle that's amazing yeah it's exciting i just wish we could [ __ ] do it right here like i don't know what the hold up is yeah um you know i don't know i think that the
medical the medical community is not maybe looking for to like get you better but keep you coming back kind of thing that's what it is maybe it's a the issue is how long it takes to get fda approval i mean i mean really what all it would take is someone of high profile like some president or something like that that went and got it done and was was singing the virtues of it and said hey let's [ __ ] fast track this [ __ ] you know kobe bryant towards achilles got that came back uh yeah so like the how the extent of how much it works on like other stuff i don't know but clearly this [ __ ] works clearly [ __ ] works yeah it works i've done a lot of things with stem cells i've had a full length rotator cuff tear that disappeared six months later i got an mri's no rotator cuff care because he was like how's your shoulder feel everyone feels pretty [ __ ] good yeah he goes okay we're going to do another mri and you go and the doctor came into the room he's like i've never seen anything like this in my [ __ ] is this the right arm he goes like you don't have a tear anymore it goes it's gone and i go really he goes yeah he goes i would have told you just a few years ago that you needed surgery like you're you're going to [ __ ] your shoulder up you're going to develop arthritis he goes now you don't even have a tear it's gone right i have zero problems with the shoulder now but at one point in time it was like it was always so it would hurt all the time it was always something always aching yeah now nothing yeah i would do anything with it i don't know if they're like i uh they had to cut my meniscus out part of it anyways and uh so i did i got it the the stem cells in there really just like reduce like the information and speed the [ __ ] up but i don't think that i'll like regrow my uh meniscus or whatever but i think as far as like discs and like stuff like that yeah it just [ __ ] works wonders one thing they are doing with meniscus is they're doing meniscus transplants so they're taking like a cadavers meniscus and they're replacing yours with a
cadavers and apparently as long as you get that like you're at your age you can still do that but i think when you get older like for older folks i don't think it works i think there's a certain amount of blood flow that has to exist in that in that area and that's another thing they were saying down there is like down here when we get the stem cells we can like stress them out like if we're going to put them in a low uh blood low oxygen environment in your body or like less blood flow or whatever we can like stress it out and the ones that aren't going to live already die and we can replace them so you're getting like the exact number as close to as you as you can uh with the injections because sometimes i go oh this is 100 million but you know right right right 50 million of them died already right i know yeah well they're they're doing stuff in i know they're doing stuff like that in colombia you know there's that um bio accelerator place in columbia and then there's in panama dr neil reardon i had him on my show before and he's written these papers on it and he's one of the leading experts and he's actually down in dallas but he runs this clinic in panama because you can't do it here like everything that he wants to do here he can do some stuff here but he can't do anything here like he wants to do why do you think i don't think it's like i don't know i don't think the fda i mean they approved the vaccine in like you know six months so why i can't get stem cells well yeah like i said it's almost like someone very important like a president type dude needs to fast track it it's clearly it's been going on for a long time like people have been using stem cells now to heal injuries for decades and it's not a new thing and the the efficacy is not challenged like that [ __ ] works i've done it i know it works yeah me too you know it works too like nothing else that's what's crazy and i think we're probably just at the tip of the iceberg i think like 30 years from now that's going to be old school and they're going to be yeah they'll develop something really wild [ __ ] them so you can just have a whole new one well i think what they're going to be able to do is regenerate all kinds
of tissue and then reverse aging reversing aging is just around the corner which is going to be wild you got to die dude old ladies yeah all of a sudden gonna want some dick yeah but dude you got to have a lifespan dude well you're still gonna have a lifespan you know you're still vulnerable still vulnerable to the sickness and still vulnerable to injury and but imagine if you could live a full like healthy active life until you die instead of being you know you see 90 year old people that are just all [ __ ] up and like what kind of life is that yeah i told my my people like the first time i [ __ ] myself uncontrollably just you know take me out there i'll be okay with it i promise you i will just [ __ ] whatever i think for a lot of people they don't ever want to let go they want to just they want to keep going as long as possible and then there's also like the hope that they're going to be able to fix things like this reversing aging thing they're able to do that now in certain animals they could do it in mice and they can prolong their lifespan by 50 100 percent oh they should just do dmt so they dive once already he's like oh you know not that bad they just gotta accept it but what if that's not what happens when you die you know dmt might just be some very unusual burst of these chemicals that you can get and introduce into your body but that's not really what happens when you die when you die it's just the lights go off lights go off that could be possible too yeah i don't know we all find out one day do you have any regrets that you didn't start fighting like when you were young i wish that well it's funny because like i started playing football before all that concussion [ __ ] came out but all you heard about was like boxers with you know head injuries or head trauma ct and [ __ ] before it was called cte um so i always wanted i always favored individual sports over team sports i [ __ ] hated team sports i only started playing football because my older
brother played football and then i realized that girls like football players and then i realized oh i'm kind of good at football so [ __ ] all right but i asked my mom was like can i box and she was like no because you're gonna [ __ ] get brain damage and you're gonna ruin your face and i paid money for your braces and your teeth now you're gonna [ __ ] your face up and then i was like all right but then meanwhile you know she'd let me go run full speed into another human being who's also running full speed you know with like a piece of plastic on my head like when i first i started playing i was like uh seven years old and then it's like one size fits all my shoulder pads [ __ ] came out to here and my helmet was [ __ ] wobbling around so it like you know definitely wasn't like the 1950s but it ain't like it is now right you know so the only time i've ever been like knocked unconscious is playing football which is a pretty scary [ __ ] uh experience because you lose time the first time i did it we were doing a drill i was like 12 years old two guys 10 yards apart there's a cone off to the side in the middle and you literally run full speed and smash each other that's the drill that's the drill it's like an angle attack on the drill one guy's on offense the running back everybody else is on defense and so they say go you got sprint five yards boom at an angle and you know car collision but did i hit this kid and i [ __ ] got up i was woozy got to the back of line and just boom you know it's kind of like little giants you wake up everybody's around you [ __ ] it's like oh it's okay dude he does that to everybody i was like [ __ ] y'all let me go with him dude i [ __ ] you don't like me man and then uh when i was in college um i ran i was running down on a kickoff are you familiar with football yeah so i run it down on on a kickoff and at the time you can't even do this anymore but they put like the offense and defensive lineman and the wedge and the dude with the ball would just they was just like
[ __ ] clear house so i just like [ __ ] it and just close my eyes and dope in there oh and like my net and it was like on the far sideline my next cognitive memory it's like i'm walking around on our sideline i'm like dude how the [ __ ] did i get here i was just over there now i'm here wow and then like five minutes later all right kickoff team go again i was like dude i don't i don't know if i should but you know at the time it's like you can't be a [ __ ] dude [ __ ] go and now they're like oh dude now they stop people from doing [ __ ] like yeah they're like uh if you get ko now in a football game do they just stop if you if they even suspect you of having a concussion they take your helmet and you're done back and there's you know when i played like [ __ ] like that was encouraged oh he doesn't want to play anymore [ __ ] [ __ ] he's like actually you know that guy's actually you know a little bit smarter than the rest of us isn't it crazy that it's so recent that they've figured all this out yeah and well i think i think the big turning point there was a guy named uh junior seau who's the linebacker for uh the chargers committed to his committed suicide and they you know they don't know if you have cte until after you die and they study your brain and they're like his brain is not right you know and uh so then that after that i think is when they started you know changing the rules and stuff because you know the football has its play today doesn't really look like how it was like the big hits was encouraged blindsides were encouraged he's like oh [ __ ] dude you saw what i just did to that guy if i can you know laugh about it right now you get kicked out of the game and you have to set out the following game as well really so they're trying to figure out a way to make the craziest most non-safe sport ever safe yeah i was like you know so like i think a lot of people like ignorant back then but now you know like the risks that you're taking so yeah sign the waiver and go sign the
waiver and also you know it's a opportunity for greatness yeah that's the thing it's like you will take that risk but if you become a superstar the rewards are pretty substantial i mean if you're a superstar in the nfl and you can you can bang out five six years like you make us get that money financial amount of money like if i knew then what i knew now would i still play football absolutely there's nothing you could have done to stop me from from playing outside of an injury like yeah dude i [ __ ] i loved football i like everything that came with football i loved the lifestyle of football and you know at the time i thought i was going to make a lot of money playing football so you know yeah i'll take the risk and you know same thing with fighting like oh you're worried about your brain i mean we'll cross that bridge when we get there you seem fine now yeah well you know you know i think mushrooms help nad helps yeah uh i guess that's like preventative stuff uh so you know do you like keep an eye on it though like do you like check in on yourself like how are we doing we all right here yeah like uh especially like when i get tired i feel like i'm like thinking slow i got to like think about what i'm thinking about everybody's like that's like all right i'm a [ __ ] but i hope it's just being tired uh i'm gonna go take a nap or something [ __ ] there's a dude that i knew uh it was a fighter that retired um and uh he he definitely sparred too hard and he definitely had some rough fights he got ko'd a couple of times and when i was around him he seemed okay until he had a drink like a drink yeah it was crazy like one drink two drinks in it was like he was obliterated like he had drank a whole case of beer it was crazy i hope i don't get like that but now i don't know right now you seem to learn sign language no no signs at all like you seem totally normal but i think it's different for everybody
right there's like a genetic predisposition it's like apoe4 they said that about ctes like we don't even know and i haven't like done any like research on it uh lately so i don't know if they've done anything but i know a few years ago i did we don't even know if you're like genetically predisposed to getting this anyways and you know the hits and football hits and tackles and stuff like make him move faster you know so you know you know you're feeling it at 40 50 instead of 70 or 80. right when you go back and you know if you like if you think about like your your times playing football like your great times versus your great wins in in fighting like what what is more satisfying to you there's no drug there's no anything that you could do to replica replicate the emotions and feelings after knocking the [ __ ] out and i'm not like talking about like teeth like getting on top and hitting them to the right pulls you all like one punch boom he's you know jello on the ground like you might have killed that guy there's no better feeling and i've won like uh when i played football we weren't playing the national championship i had a pretty big play at the end of the game that kind of sealed it but even that the last game of my college career doesn't equate to knocking out hop on the tall the way i did it just doesn't it's one on one it's you versus me and i just did that to you it's just and i've you know done quite a few drugs i've you know had quite a few big moments yeah uh other side of the coin there's no [ __ ] lower feeling than getting your ass whooped uh in front of you know not only the crowd but the people on tv and uh you know so but i'll take a dude i [ __ ] run the risk of that versus the high you get after a knockout or a win
uh and you know any day do you remember the feeling of like your first loss where you're like oh geez this is different yeah cause my first loss was to uh machida and i feel like i beat machida i just so happened to fight him in brazil and i think that he thinks that he lost because you know before they read the scorecards his head's all low and he's you know kind of pounding and he's like oh winner by split decision machida and all of a sudden he thought wow but that was not a loss like a you know that was like not like thiago santos loss it wasn't you know yeah um i think uh you could have won that fight yeah i remember that fight you could have won that fight i had his back and uh you know yeah i was in that fight but um i kind of liked or told myself anyways that i kind of liked pushing myself like i like the challenge you know and uh you know two fights later you know he's [ __ ] fighting for the championship and to be honest like i think that's kind of the fight that put me on the map even though it was a loss you know i think the people liked like these two big [ __ ] just stood in the middle and just swung on each other to one couldn't anymore and you know from the fans perspective i think they really liked that so yeah it was definitely in bad a big fight but but it's not like a fight like a serious loss yeah uh round tree was pretty devastating um just because like there's something about that day or i was just like dude i don't want to fight i do not want to [ __ ] a fight i'm going to do it anyways but don't really want to be here right now what do you think that is i have no idea because i mean all the preparation all the training dude there's some fights like when i made my debut i had zero nerves and as soon as my feet touched the canvas and i felt like how grippy it is i was like dude he's dead this motherfucker's out of here i know he's gonna i know i'm finna win but
that roundtree fight in particular i was i remember walking to the cage like maybe someone puts a banana peel out here and that [ __ ] slip like [ __ ] dude can we do this tomorrow is that the only time you've ever felt like that to that extreme yeah yeah yeah what do you think that was i don't know and i was really confident going into that fight because i didn't think that he could wrestle i was watching film i was like dude he's never like just flat like he's dropped a lot of people but that's he just dropped him like he never like knocked him unconscious i was like alright even if i do eat one i'll [ __ ] still be alive and be able to fight and [ __ ] but i don't know i just woke up on the wrong side of the bed and i was like [ __ ] that's what you were talking about earlier when you're talking about khabib and usman and these guys that like every single time they're mentally there yeah that's probably one of the hardest parts of the sport got to be and these other fights were like hopping again this dude's ass and it's going to be held for them so i don't know what that is um if you're wishing i'm a sports psychologist yeah they all say different [ __ ] and you know one guy said just be happy to be here and i'm just like that's preposterous no dude i used to make fun of people like oh dude he's just happy to be here he's for sure if anything or whatever or don't worry about the outcome he's like no dude i am worried about the [ __ ] outcome because that's half my money you know you lose a fight i could get cut yes the outcome absolutely matters stop talking to me that's another thing i hate about the sport the win lose bonus i don't like that yeah i think you should have played i think you should be it's not like no one is trying harder because you're going to get your win bonus you're trying to [ __ ] win you're in a goddamn cage fight i don't think it incentivizes and i think with the judging the judging is so erratic like sometimes they're so wrong yeah i feel like i won my last fight too but the judges said
then i like yeah how what that was a very close fight yeah i thought you wanted to yeah so i like what i mean but then you lose half your money yeah which is crazy i don't care about like the loss column as much as i do because like i invest you know i don't buy stupid [ __ ] with my money so it's not like oh i was gonna blow it anyways dude how many houses could i have bought with you know my win bonus how much more money i invested in like uh mid-states and oil and gas companies and stuff like that yeah so i'ma like kind of [ __ ] me up it's so hard because so many fights are so goddamn close like today i watched uh brandon moreno versus davis and figueretto the rematch and uh figareto won the rematch and i was watching i was like man what a close [ __ ] fight and brandon thought he won and i'm like the fact that he's not getting half his money is crazy yeah he means he's a hell of a fight a hell of a fight fought his ass off and i feel the same way about um max holloway versus volkanovsky in the second fight that fight was so goddamn close it was so close like how could you take a man's half his money away based on some subjective opinions of uh whether or not he won the fight what do you think the answer is for like the judging there should be more judges open scoring yeah i think both of those things would be good i think more judges for sure i think five judges would be the right way to do it i think glory uses four or five um kickboxing i think that would be better i don't think three's enough because like sometimes you'll have like two people that get it totally wrong and then one person gets it right did you see uh caitlyn vera and uh holly holm yes i did yeah yeah i thought holly holm went like three three or four rounds like how did yeah i have to go and watch that again i have to go and watch that again to try to figure out what you know i like the open scoring let me know like you know i play a football game i play a basketball game i know the score of the game you know the worry about that is that someone might go in like devin haney versus combosis right go into that final round knowing that you're bringing back the
yellow cards or whatever you're gonna get penalized [ __ ] if you run if you don't engage you're gonna [ __ ] lose a point see yellowcard was a great part of pride pride was a great organization but they used yellow cards sometimes when people were just being strategic and smart like they just wanted entertainment yeah there's something about because then like some guys they're just being smart but then you have fights like the rose nama eunice carlo esparza fight we're like what the [ __ ] is happening here nothing's happening like they both should have got yellow cards like what are you doing yeah like you know a million people are watching right now come on and uh korean zombie yes yeah you think if i don't know if the zombie knew if he was up all those rounds because it was a close fight right now he was up like i think four rounds and so he was like trying to push it because i don't think he knew that he was up right and then got knocked out in 10 seconds with 10 seconds left in the thing crazy elbow too that was nuts i think what do you think is uh what do you think the mechanism is to you know how some dudes get knocked out they go stiff and they're like [ __ ] you know locked out like roadkill or like when they go like rubber chicken what what why do you think the two different things happen it's a good question it's like what's going on in the brain because that's that's scary the way he like fell and [ __ ] like yeah rubber chicken [ __ ] dude yeah roadkill's scary too the the when the guy's stiffened up and just because i know he's alive his muscles are [ __ ] seized uh he's like his heart's still beating you know i guess i don't know they're both scary when you get shut off getting shut off is [ __ ] scary and one of the things about the ufc that's really interesting is that no one's ever died you know i mean there's been so many deaths in boxing during the same time period and obviously boxing has many many different promotions and ufc only has one yeah but the only
deaths that i know of in mma are either people that pre-cons pre-existing condition or people fought overseas and some of them have been from weight cuts there's been like death because of that but uh it's interesting that relatively speaking mma is more safe than boxing even though you think it's not because this the knockouts are so cool like a head kick knockout it's crazy the one that you landed the soccer kick like it's over you know it's not like that dude like six of those you know that's true too you know boxing i feel like they take a lot more especially like the way they train too like i'm like dude you [ __ ] it's pretty archaic how you guys are how you guys are training though you guys are trying neanderthals yeah they beat the [ __ ] out of each other sometimes you know and really just be one like everybody else is there for him and he beats the [ __ ] out of all of them yeah and you're getting brain damage yeah you know you just paid as a sparring partner you're getting fight brain damage yeah when you spar do you spar hard like how do you spar i always start with bubble gloves yeah yeah so like we throw but i'm not gonna try to knock you out right you know and you know my training partners you know they respect the game too so yeah we're getting in there we're fighting you know it's getting you know chaotic in there but i'm not worried about getting knocked out and training or getting hurt in training and then showing up to a fight with like a compromised you know chin or yeah you know getting knocked out in practice and then still showing up to the fight with you dude you know you should probably yeah just pull out it'll be okay that does happen man that does happen sometimes guys fight and they're they're [ __ ] before the fight even starts you know do you remember when uh travis lu luter fought marvin eastman he just touched him yeah and marvin just flat out unconscious isn't that crazy he had been ko twice in training [ __ ] yeah i think it's crazy how someone can go like their whole career is like [ __ ]
he's durable his [ __ ] chin and then the next day chuckling that's a stiff breeze like dude what the [ __ ] was that dude he's taking a dive no no no he's [ __ ] he's a sleeper chuckled that was a good example of that yeah you know and you see did you see the chuckled hill tito ortiz fight the last one yeah it's like yeah super sad yeah i you know would really hope to not you know fight past like 40 or whatever it's not even past 40 because randy won the title past 40 and he was great and he's still great today he's like a wrestler you know he wasn't like yeah out there trading and coming out there trading too he got knocked out by chuck you know and then what come come came back and beat tim sylvia knocked down tim silly in the first round it's just some people are more durable for whatever reason genetically and then some people it's like the amount of sparring they took in training but chuck is one of the best examples of it because when chuck was young he was known for having like a granite chin you could just crack him and he would just fire back at you and he knocked a lot of people out just because he could take a shot so well and then one day it just stopped working it's crazy yeah and then the the knockouts came you know like rampage ko'd them and then other people were k on them and then it just got to a point where it's just like one good punch and you would just go out yeah yeah i feel like your chin is like a pitcher's arm a [ __ ] can only take so much you got a limited number of yeah pitches or you know shots that you can take before that [ __ ] just ain't dwight chuck explain it to me is like your brain is protecting you it's like your brain knows you're so tough and it's like hey we gotta protect this guy he's stupid he's gonna keep getting hit so let's just shut off i i would like to believe that's like a real rationale but i don't know that's uh it's probably not no it's like probably way more sensitive yeah you're [ __ ] very swelling inside your skull right now is what's happening well that's the saddest part right when you when you see the speech patterns change you know there's uh quite a few guys i've seen their speech patterns change
you see they struggle to try to form sentences yeah see that slowing of the words and and sometimes their their movements change that's one of the weirder ones i've noticed guys like they've been ko a few times and then i watch them train and i see they take like shorter steps they take like they're all balances [Music] movements are all almost herky jerky it's weird when they start a sentence and then they're like and then they you know it's like a long pause i forget like they're high are you [ __ ] are you good like like yeah i think you need to they start talking about things again that they just talked about a couple minutes ago they forgot they said it they said it again i uh i do that i just like retell stories but like larry's like oh did i ever tell you about the times like yeah [ __ ] you told me that you know 32 months ago no i'm not like 30 seconds but like just a long time you know a few months i'm like [ __ ] dude i don't have any more stories [Laughter] that's normal that's normal that's just life and also you know you got to think of how many different times you talk to people how many different people you talk to you're constantly traveling to fights constantly training and meeting people like your interactions with people are much more varied than the average person sure yeah making me feel better i appreciate it no you do you're good man you're good you're good listen eric it's been great sit down and talk to you um it's been great watching your fights man i'm a fan you you're always exciting it's always a lot of fun right and appreciated to talk to so i enjoyed it appreciate it good luck to you and everything man and the next five fights whatever it is i hope i'm calling them all right or are we getting top man i don't think we uh i've ever won one of the fights actually i did i beat darren stewart i think they ran over time yeah i was like yeah
sometimes people get mad at me like hey that's not me they tell me in the truck whether or not i can talk to somebody like yeah i get to talk to joe and they're like oh no [ __ ] out of here but hopefully thank you though appreciate it thank you bye everybody [Music] you