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[Music] my preferred method now now blind what kind of blind well he was using um swisher sweets there we go there we go i figured you say so and when i first started smoking i was a swisher guy yeah i get the little grape swishers and little flavors and stuff like that but as it got uh as i got more efficient in smoking i started stepping taking little steps here and trying this and trying those wraps and trying these things like a chef yeah a chef experiments with new spices so now i'm gonna kick you to a back wood okay oh okay i've had backwood okay yeah you know there's exactly companies that roll um nick from uh foundation cigar sent me some papers it's like they use like real that's it right thank you sir this stuff right here this is uh where you don't have to destroy a cigar they just give you the actual that's released yeah yeah i know i see everybody with those now there's a lot of people to do it they're realizing that we're not even [ __ ] using the [ __ ] tobacco i bet that's a giant percentage of the amount of there's another company called pom-pom uh and they came out because swisher had to uh create a a lower company because no one was smoking their tobacco they're just taking it and dumping in the trash and started like oh we're not gonna smoke our tobacco we're gonna put cheaper tobacco in here and sell it for these for the people that are doing those things you know that makes sense why put good tobacco in if 90 of the people are throwing it out you want to try this oh [ __ ] it i'm down let's try it because i feel like this dude keeps sending me and they're oh it's fresh let me see what's going on with everybody oh my goodness look at this look at this it's natural looking like i like the naturally it's a real shampoo i don't like about that oh see we need scissors for this it's a whole lot least holy [ __ ] oh my goodness we might need a knife oh yeah he gave you a couple leaves so look at that you ever heard of a gobble leaf yes that's what those remind me of
gobblies oh that smells so good let me check it out let me jamie's got a knife hold on okay okay it smells nice to you it smells like it does right you don't smell nice i don't even say what it smells like you don't like tobacco smell i love tobacco smell i do too i do when it burns like for instance i like these honey blunts you know the hunt the flavor the honey this smells great i love a good cigar though i really do i love the smell and this is um i don't know if this is the same company that that foundation cigars uses it says um how do they use funky font where you can't really read it let me see what's going against here fronto see efronto yeah fronto yeah yeah so you saw that reminds me of fronto leaf uh there's frontos there's gobbles oh really yeah so you're uh aficionado that's what i said i was getting uh i was trying to get up like hey trying to find my little lane you know right right right should i do i i [ __ ] a fight and i smoke a lot of weed those are things i do really well oh yeah [ __ ] yeah louis gomez can roll a hell of a blunt too call me that's called so familiar it's a real thing like to have that skill i'm not even good at rolling joints oh yeah so spoiled i buy too many joints i get so mad sometimes with some of my friends because i'm like oh you're going to [ __ ] it up you know especially these things they're like 10 bucks a pack right you [ __ ] them up you're right back at the store yep you know i'm spending so much money on that type of [ __ ] so so joe this girl i want to talk about the old days i want to talk about everything i want to talk about the old i'll talk about whatever you want to talk about you know but like i seen you way back i don't even know if you remember i remember we hung out at the ice house you remember yeah pasadena oh [ __ ] that was like bro that was more than 10 years ago you [ __ ] remember you got a great man we hung out yeah okay fun sometimes you
just did that was like when was that that was when i was in strikeforce i waited online to meet you six or seven i'm like hey hey joe like i'm a big fan and i'm like yeah i'm bobby green you're like you didn't recognize my face which nobody does because i don't know what it is i just changed my look i just i don't got the bolts on my face when i see fighters i associate everybody in shorts with no shirt on with gloves on that's how i remember you like you don't see a lot of guys like out on the street and you go oh bobby like that happens all the time to me i run into a guy and i'm like why do i know this dude like i [ __ ] commentated his fights yeah me and a friend of ours where we go to all your little shows in ice house and kind of support i'm not gonna use that leaf for this one okay because i don't know how to cut it exactly and i don't want to [ __ ] them up no worries yeah that ice house is a great spot but yeah no i remember i was hanging out there you killed it the first night brother that's fun you came through you killed it you told the story about uh i think it's mark hunt uh and he's stealing a woman he takes his country girls at a hotel or something i mean and then another girl no no no no mark coleman there we go mark coleman yeah let's not mention that story because i kind of never told anybody it was about mark everybody just assumed whoops holy [ __ ] so yeah growing up in those times like i feel like the fighters now these days they don't know what it was like for us coming up in the interesting ways like like the different things we had to go through like for instance when i got into mma it was still like unheard of type of thing you know like you don't have a gym you could just go to and train what year was your first fight i have no [ __ ] idea i was 21 years old how do you know i'm 35. so let's do that math 14 14 years yeah 14 years is 22 so [ __ ] 2008 yeah yeah yeah so i think i saw you at the ice house it was after that right so it must have been 2010-ish
because we were doing the podcast of the ice house back then so i think it was 2010. wow i have a terrible memory i smoked too much weed i don't know if that's bad for your memory because my memory is good sometimes that's what's working in the head a lot one two that's an issue i love this work there's nothing like it the strikeforce days were interesting right because it's like it was uh there was elite fighters but it wasn't getting quite the coverage that it deserved yeah you know i mean there was some great fights like my god like that was the nick diaz i was gonna say that that was the real era of the dss where they were really like do you remember the [ __ ] fight uh with the with mayhem where they [ __ ] got the fight after that these things happened in mma it was going down back in the days you know they really set that precedent for like hey don't [ __ ] with us you know we will set this [ __ ] off that was uh it was a wilder time of fighting it was you know the sponsors were all like like bob's auto shopping yes yes do you remember shad smith shad smith yeah i do remember outs the first coach no kidding first coach wow i didn't know anything about mma um i saw felony fights you don't feel any fights yes he was on there didn't chad smith fight dwayne ludwig in uh he is for the king everybody brother he's fought in everybody from from every show crazy horse uh uriah faber uh he's [ __ ] everyone you know um and so i see fellaini fights i see this uh ball-headed white guy all tatted up and i remember when he fought the guy on the show he had him on the ground he had a mount and he was pounding them and he just he gave up he's like bro the guy's done he showed compassion so i didn't forget that guy he just had a different character than all the other guys who were doing this like i'm a smash i'ma be a tough guy for youtube you know i saw this one felony fight with this dude ko this guy and then just kept dropping knees on his head and they didn't stop the fight he was out cold
and he was out cold laying on his back and this dude was just up hips up in the air and boom dropping knees on his head boom oh it was awful and so i remember shad from that this you know a bump in the shot somewhere and i'm like oh you're the felony fights guy you know so we're training together he i'm a wrestler he hears on this little wrestler in the in the town so he's like can you help me on my wrestling and i'll kind of show you a little bit about jiu jitsu and fighting what year is this around this [ __ ] i'm terrible with the gear stuff you can't ask me that joe i don't not keep up with how old i can't even remember my own birthday just how old were you back then like when did how old um i was i was 20. 20 21. so i remember when i first started mma was because my son i had a a i met a chick and within a month she got pregnant so i'm working a warehouse job six days a week on my seventh day i go all the way out to mexico i fight in mexico and make 800 bucks i come back i keep the little money put in a savings account or put in a little account for him and it's just this money i'm having for this kid i'm scared i don't know it's my first child i don't know what the [ __ ] i'm gonna do and i'm scared so i just put all this money away to help save for him hmm so that was your introduction that's that was your introduction to fighting did you have any striking back then no striking at all just a wrestler i had no idea what jujitsu was i'm going around fighting guys in mexico who 150 muay thai fights you know oh my gosh yeah and these are the days where fighting was mostly illegal in california i fought three guys in one night that night three fights the stand-up guy had 150 fights muay thai then i fought a purple belt from hinzo gracie school and then i fought a black belt from i don't remember what school he was from this is in mexico yeah tijuana yeah yeah i knew a lot of guys from uh legends gym back in the day were going down to tijuana for fights mm-hmm because it was not that far to go you could breathe just from supposed to be
from there henry brown is smoking from that i beat him too i fought him too i thought all the who's who's the mexicans you know like i actually became a star in mexico before i actually uh did anything out here really yeah mexico loved me i get out there and i dance like because i'm from foster care i've been in foster care i was four years old so i know white people i know black people i know mexican people i even speak a little bit spanish you know so i know like their culture so like they're like they're hating me when i first come out there they're bullying me you know you're not from america from mexico then after the fight they dropped the music i started dancing like cumbias and merengue they're like what he knows our [ __ ] you know [ __ ] after that they love me they [ __ ] love me ever since that's awesome oh yeah awesome so back to chad smith yeah she has missed this tough guy he's the tap out guy we don't know tap out at the time was the biggest thing for mma they're the they they push the beacon you know they really push that mark to get us out there out there you know going to easy shows and selling these shirts and blah blah blah and so i meet chad we're working out we're going great everything's going great i'm like in the gym i'm starting to become this fighter so one day after practice chad doesn't tell me that shad is gay i have no problem with that what you do is your own thing as long as you don't come at me with it whenever training and after training gets over i take my shirt off like i think we ended around i took my shirt off like are we gonna go to the next round he's like hey put your shirt on bro put your shirt on i can't concentrate and i was like my wheels are turning a little bit i'm like what is he saying what does he mean you know and then it finally hit me oh [ __ ] he's talking about this so he's like oh bro i didn't tell you oh yeah i'm gay you know and i'm like oh brother no problem long as you don't call me i'm not that way you know it's cool so that's we let it go by going to be
honest we're going to work together it's cool i used to be riding the back seat smoking weed with him and his boyfriend they're fighting each other fist fighting and it's more you know they're crazy fist fighting in the backseat and you have to understand this is when gay stuff is just just really coming around the corner you know so it's still new i think gay stuff has been around a long time but it's getting it's it's getting its momentum yeah it's becoming more mainstream yeah it's crazy that that is in our lifetime i think that's because the internet and so i'm at this gym i don't know anybody i'm working with this really crazy guy he's [ __ ] nuts he fights with his boyfriend all the time but he's a really cool guy he's really giving but the only problem was with chad is shad would like to [ __ ] the guys at the gym oh no so we're sitting outside one day we're just finished training we're smoking a blood we're all chilling here all guy tired you know and uh one of the guys like hey come here you know chat won't you shout once you i [ __ ] this one up by the way you [ __ ] up the blunt i tore it a little bit oh no but i still make it work um so he's like shat won't you and um i'm like okay he's snickering he's laughing like watch this watch this so i'm like what's going on you know the guy goes oh what the [ __ ] he comes back running he's like he's [ __ ] somebody in the ass you know and that was my last day of practice and i'm like boy i just can't do it that's a little much you know so you turned around the corner and he was there doing so he was watching a guy in the right there yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah so i'm like bro this ain't probably he wasn't just [ __ ] the guys in the gym he's [ __ ] guys inside the gym yes and so yeah and he's a great guy you know that's a little unprofessional yeah not unprofessional i can't do that you know i just can't understand i can't work with this you know so i left i had no idea where to train anymore i gave up on mma i actually fought one amateur fight against a kid and so i'm like cool i'm done with mma a couple buddies of mine hit us up we
start talking and we go to this wrestling tournament at this wrestling tournament i do all the wildest things like uh i take wwe and i mix it with actual wrestling so people can be entertained you know right because wrestling can be kind of boring if you don't know right it's its whole nature and what's going on the average fan they're like what's going on you're like what they're just hugging each other you know right so i would do things like the hurricanrana you know you know what that is like you jump on a guy and you spin under him and roll him yeah yeah i would a guy would shoot on me i'd stop his shot and then while he's down there i jump over his head literally in midair hook them and roll over them so i'm doing all these crazy really you just pro wrestling moves in a real place [ __ ] yes what does a dude do um this is a a wrestling match oh a freestyle match right older people come by we graduated from high school excuse me we graduated from high school and now we can do like my body's like let's go hang out we'll go wrestle together you know right but it's a real wrestling match it's a real wrestling match and you're doing pro wrestling [ __ ] in a real match yes i'm trying to find it's funny how jiu-jitsu guys call that a what they'll call a match-up fight it really is a match it's a match that's a mess not a fight yeah you're not hitting each other it's not a fight i can't stand that yeah that's weird right they say it bothers me but it's i got friends that go hey who do you think is going to win between john cena and the rock in their fight i'm like oh that's even more ridiculous yeah so i'm like bro you know they already know who's going to win yeah they already know who's going to win the matter of fact he's already got his check and he's counting the money i have to have this conversation with tony hinchcliffe weekly to me i just i love wrestling and but i thought the interest is you know the fireworks the energy that's the package part now can i bring that to mma you know that's my my biggest thing is since the beginning i used to come out with santa claus
suits throw out stuff to the crowd because it's like it's the same along the same lines i figured if we could bring mma to wwe the only problem is that why wd had the fall was when we everyone found that was fake right i believed it was real and then someone was like you know this shit's fake right you know like look at their feet and they're going ugh oh my god how they're slamming each other how old were you when you thought it was real i'd say 12. that's normal that's so normal i'm like well you can't fake a slam he just picked that guy and slammed like no they actually been trained to break the fall you know yeah if you think about santa claus like the average age kids find out what do you think it is jamie nine i hope not i hope not but i think it is [ __ ] santa claus you think daddy daddy got some damn gifts yes you should thank daddy but people believe in santa claus up until probably i think the average age is probably seven or eight but then you need a better lighter here yeah yeah check this out look at you look at you yeah cigar lighter um i would say that santa claus is probably nine pro wrestling is probably 11 or 12. a little bit later until nine you're holding i hope that you're it's still yeah maybe maybe wrong maybe when you're nine you're holding out hope but but i'm like how do you think the chairs how do you fake the tables oh they're compressed sawdust and oh it's aluminum they're like what they just bursted my whole bird oh you mean those chairs they slammed yeah they slammed each other and hitting each other and doing all this stuff i'm going to clean all this stuff when i'm done don't worry about it man we have people clean up the [ __ ] so yeah so i'm doing these tournaments now it's a mess and guys find me mexican guys fighting and my two two mexican cultures they go hey you should fight
whack when i was with uh the first coach i had that amateur fight right there's a guy named aaron miller blood smear spill miller he's fighting for a title i go i beat that kid in my amateur fight maybe i should do a fighting so from that moment when i met those two messing guys i didn't know didn't know them too well turns out they're like uh they're a different type of uh of a gym this gym is like full of gangsters they all they train but the gangsters they smoke weed we going to mexico we're fighting i was literally in the gym two weeks literally two weeks at the max and i had my first fight wow that's crazy this coach he's he's known for like he'll just throw anybody in there he's gonna make money i'll get 200 bucks off you but watch this i got you a fight i got you a fight and you're a fight i made 500 i made 200 from each five guys i made a thousand bucks to pay my rent right that's his thinking so he's just throwing people i don't care if you win i don't care if you lose i'm gonna get paid you know right well that's a lot of the early day promoters right that's what a lot of people are getting these new kids don't know what it was like to get there i have to explain it's like to my younger guys i took every opportunity i got to get here i took every opportunity i thought on 24 hours notice i fought on like just i thought three times one night fought i've done everything joe well how many how many days notice was the islam fight the makatrap fight then 10 days 10 days yeah how heavy were you before you took that fight [ __ ] joe it was a mess brother it was a mess because i know like the cut has to be planned out you know if you're going to do it correctly and i love all you could eat sushi sushi i'm a fat guy like i'm going to be fat after my [ __ ] yeah when i see khabib i was like holy [ __ ] he's not what happened to you he's just big he's just not lean anymore yeah but to us you know in our world we should be like
we clown each other every day if i come to the gym after they call me bobby k oh bobby burger king green [ __ ] face is all [ __ ] bloated and [ __ ] a lot of fighters do that right at the end of their career they get really fat really common look at my donut yeah oh yeah that's a good example right he's losing weight though apparently he's trying to make a comeback but i'm like [ __ ] like i've been i've been 155 i left high school at 160. for last 20 years i've been the same weight i deserve to be fat i understand let me just let it go you know just like your hair just let it go let it go let that belly out you know that [ __ ] gets fat quick he's hear that [ __ ] yeah i hear that he's fat as [ __ ] his face is all round and he shows his belly he's hilarious he's on there we actually go through depression you know a lot of fighters they don't they don't recognize that we're kind of like cheerleaders right you look sexy you look good you've seen yourself every day in the mirror for the last four to eight weeks shredded you shredded you looking like ready to go yeah and then all of a sudden two days later not even like a week two days you're like what happened i was in shape just two days ago i fought literally three days ago and i'm now 195 pounds that happens to everybody if you go off the rails there's patty look at him now there's a dean thomas is like look at his face look how fat his face gets he gets he shows his gut before that is that's a great he's already he's already gelling up and he just fought he just followed man he does look like chris from family guy there's somebody gonna tell they gotta cut his [ __ ] hair no no no no he looks like one of the uh hanson brothers or something but that's his stick true that's his stick you know your stick is you got everything tattooed and you're cool as [ __ ] and his stick is he's he's silly like his hair's silly
like i bet a lot of people underestimated him when they first saw him because you see like this look at this nerd this goofy-ass hair what is the odds that he can fight yeah he can [ __ ] fight he can i'll give him that he's diving right into the deep end of the pool quick though it's interesting you know they gave him uh two fighters like first guy i forget who he fought was pretty talented second guy was pretty talented too and now they're talking about like you know ilia tuporia that's like oh that's a big jump that's not a big jump and that's another thing too i like that i like it i feel like i like it but it's it's a big jump i mean i don't think that's a very joke no no doubt i think patty's very good don't get me wrong his submission game is very but i try to explain this like i got a little beef with a what uh what's his next name uh that is the worst anybody's ever wrote yeah that's the worst blunt holy [ __ ] oh yeah i know i felt awe i felt it i like [ __ ] you're [ __ ] nervous you're like idiot on the [ __ ] man it's whatever you did is way better than what i would done i'm terrible at it i'm gonna do it again i'm gonna get high on this show we pretty dirty no this ain't even close okay i smoke 15 15 15 of these a day well that's not good and i got the greatest cardio too you know you do have great cardio i just that's the thing about marijuana does not seem to affect cardio like cigarettes do i don't know anything i just want to say i'm not a doctor you don't smoke at all in camp i don't know huh yeah i was [ __ ] up with the disses like they were getting me high i'm like nate like how long do you still smoke he's like 11 days up to the final like what wow no um when you uh when you eat vegan does that help you cut weight is that why you do it that way yeah you got to understand like uh guys like me they don't think like i'm a big 55 or if you're walking around 195 yeah you look very big you it's like for normal people they would never imagine you weigh 155 pounds that's what's crazy about fighting and um i mean i've said this so
many times i risk repeating myself but i do that a lot anyway um the big thing that bothers me the most is not uh like tough fights it's weight cuts yeah that bothers me the most because i just think it's a dumb thing this is why it bothers me like guys that know what they're doing they're professional fighters they know that they're gonna have a fight like like hamzat and gilbert just had where both guys take crazy damage everybody understands that it's part of the risk of the but why is there extra risk why is this extra risk of like starvation and and dehydration what is that like that doesn't that hinders performance [ __ ] yeah 100 percent i mean think of the amazing performances we've seen in the ufc and we've seen [ __ ] amazing performances i've got to imagine that some of the some of those people as elite as we saw them they're capable of something another level even higher if they weren't dehydrated if their body was operating on like peak efficiency it's not going to be peak efficiency if you dehydrate yourself down to like some of these guys look terrible that's why i like it about japan they force you to do dehydration well one fc is doing something along those lines and i know they're doing all the guys up they do it in some wrestling tournaments too they're big on not doing that dehydration to their bodies man it just doesn't make sense to me it doesn't make sense and i feel like there's a solution i can see it for some fighters but for us especially the 55 division yes that gap yeah that 55 is 70. that gap yeah yeah everybody wants that 65 you know at least but it leaves those guys in that weird space where i could go 70s like a benson henderson but you're going to notice that difference in those 70 guys yeah they're bigger they're huge they're big zombies you're in this weird you got to cut it down kid that's the way it goes that's one of the things about weight classes is like there's guys that are really like in this gap in between like there's a reason why we differentiate by size because it's a big advantage it's a
giant advantage and so everybody wants the best advantage like how can i do it and still be healthy like who does it the best i think usman does it the best because he's big that guy's a [ __ ] killer he's big dude anybody's going from 55 to 70 go stand next to him he's a he's a big super one time i was at the uscpi and i'm just kind of kicking it you know doing a little training and stuff and i look over and i see usman there and he's training like like he's trying to cut weight he's training like he's trying to cut weight turns out it's the night of the damn fight he's gonna fight that night he's fighting del sagnos that night i'm thinking you'd be resting and and saving your energy this guy's out here blowing it all out like he was cutting weight i was like that's nuts and then i saw him go in the fight and just [ __ ] they went in there for five rounds of just hard high pace pushing on each other i'm like [ __ ] that guy's the truth he's the truth and he's the perfect size for 170. you know he's like when you're in these gaps i think from like 170 to 85 and then 85 to 205 is a big gap there's guys that would maybe even be champions if there was 10 pound weight classes i agree i agree and it's unfortunate because i just i don't think we see the best of them you know there's like if you get a guy who's an elite 55er and he has to fight a guy who's an elite 170 pounder that's a big difference that's a giant difference in a lot of these guys the [ __ ] 70 pound guys are giant like how much do they really weigh like what do they really weigh they're not really weighing 170 they're only weighing 170 for a little while it's crazy so when i meet people and they're actually like well you're a 55 they look at me and they kind of like but they like size me up against them like i'm just as big as you and you're 220. you know they're like there's no way you could be 155. i'm only there for one i'm there for three minutes i literally make the weight i jump on the scales and i'm putting it back on god damn man how much
does that take out of you do you think like if you if you had to judge like a performance number if like you at a hundred percent is when you're fully healthy you cut weight and you rehydrate perfect for me for instance like um for 55 i can make it fine no problem um i think the issue more so is my power um i notice when i'm walking around like 170 175 78 i'm [ __ ] knocking guys i'm hitting guys and hurting them when i start to cut that away i lose my pop you know and so i'm like i could be knocking guys out at a bigger division but now you also take the risk of getting your ass knocked out two more right hitting harder do you think that like boxing has it right i'll give you start unboxings but i mean with their weight classes 50 weight classes is that too many is there like a comfortable medium we don't know all the boxing champions we know every ufc champion because they stand out it's only so many right and so that gives you a little bit more uh notoriety but i don't like the whole idea with boxing like the whole idea of like i tried explaining to even the i told you earlier about uh sugar shawn minnesota shawn got a little back and forth going on and i'm trying to explain it to these younger fighters because i'm the old guy right now i've been through it and i've seen all this the ufc are the story writers the same thing with boxing they're story writers they're writing the stories and it's a certain way you know you better know how to play your role if you don't know your role you'll get eliminated you'll get x'ed out not knowing how to play the role right now you're in the great hot seat brother you're in a great seat play it cool shut the [ __ ] up and play your role but they don't know that they that it's this machine that it's the story and they're going oh you're gonna go here you're gonna fight him you're gonna do this and you're gonna they're gonna wrap it right it's just beautiful there's other guys that don't get that road okay
like dosanios who's fought in everybody he's fun every killer he could possibly come through there's another he's fighting him next and so there's different roles and different stories and i'm like sean understand stop talking [ __ ] stop like he did the whole basketball drilling on the guy who just got in the ufc he just it's his first fight and i felt like don't get me wrong you gotta you gotta have the antics you gotta bring the fight but at the same time um no no where y'all already know what's going on like don't do that to that kid this is first experience you just [ __ ] on a guy who didn't even it's his first it's his first get down right he's not and you've been fighting you've been in here you're talking [ __ ] you're the man and you're gonna do that kit like that you had and he also had 15 other offers 15 other offers sean gets to pick his fights so he's picking between these guys and they go he goes picks this guy who's not even in the division you know what i'm saying so it makes it look like he looks really good everybody's like oh he's he's he's talented he's blah blah i'm like listen they're writing that story really well same thing with boxing they never fight no they never fight nobody why we haven't had well we didn't get floyd mayweather and pacquiao the same at the right time we didn't get errol spence and crawford these guys are the best the ufc does it and they're gonna write at least they're gonna write it at the right time they let connor build it they wrote the story correctly and then they wrote this one and it comes right you know at least they make it happen at some point in time with boxing it doesn't happen they're just like well he's our star and we don't want to lose it because in boxing you lose you're done you don't have the same i was like i was a big uh broner fan i liked his antics i liked everything to him but once he lost everybody's like he's done and you'll see we don't have that why do you think that is like why is the ufc more is it why is it okay to lose yeah in mma sorry
damn that bobby greenweed got me uh but why is it okay uh to lose an mma like why do you think the mma community like some of the greatest stars have lost a bunch of times but there's only the few but like in our in our industry you know i hear the word i hear all the time journeyman you're like like kobe comes in and got to say that he's a [ __ ] journey man you know that when he diss a guy because he got losses you know if you've been in this trench long if you will get lost you're going to get a lot of losses if you've been in these trenches long enough because there's so many ways to play this this yeah this chess board well if colby covet jesus christ damn this cottonmouth if colby covington wasn't in the usman era he'd probably be champion i mean the dude is a beast i agree i mean he's a [ __ ] beast his cardio is off the charts i mean it's crazy and it's really sad he's so talented and he reminds me of chill you know where he had to use the mouthpiece to get more scene right instead of his actual talent you know because he is a skilled fighter sad that he's kind of kind of almost painted it like tail did it in a great way chelle did in a great way at first it was little oh and nobody understood what he was doing but joe made it funny tail made it interesting he he's giving a cat the right i saw him giving the carrot right giving the bust of carrot you know yeah it puts them it was funny yes yeah kobe doesn't deliver it the same way it's offensive it's hard to swallow yeah he's playing psychological warfare too you know and though and the and the hard part about it is like for us the real hardcore fans and i mean not fans the i was like some of the real g's the nates the khabibs the jorge's we look at you like hey you gotta back that [ __ ] up if you're gonna be that type of guy go back that [ __ ] up go stand on it you can't be the guy that you're talking to [ __ ] but then when they approach you you ain't ready with that time you're in on that
time like if i'm gonna be that type of aggression with somebody then i know what time it is when when i'm saying what i'm saying and i see that person i know what time it is you know when i see sean like i don't like six and the reason i don't like sean is because of takashi six nine i don't like six nine so he wouldn't got him tatted oh yeah you just jumped in the pool with him and i don't like you either and you got to be able to stand on what you do because when those people come and see you now we're attacking you sean you don't even know why because you were invited up with somebody else yeah we didn't that you clicked up with him now you get in that same group now you got to stand on it y'all want to be badasses well stand on that [ __ ] don't be calling the police you can't you can't do none of that you want to be a badass this is what badass [ __ ] is like and don't get me wrong i feel like jorge snuck them or hey snuck them ran up right you know but at the same time you know what come with this [ __ ] you want to live this life stand on that [ __ ] as a professional though don't you think it's a good idea to not get into fist fights in the street i agree i agree as a professional i know i know but that's not but nobody has a professional but i know exactly i understand entertainment but hold on a second if you're gonna be professional keep it professional if you want to go low right then it's going low and it's up it's up it's up on site like it's what it is if you want to go that way like with my kids and my wife and bringing all this other information out that really didn't talk [ __ ] about me all day brother let's just go we could shoot shits we could talk jokes but now my family and my kids i don't think jorge should've did that though i don't i don't agree with it at all you know like you had 25 minutes brother you had 25 minutes to do anything you needed to do it was that time yeah and now you got to go get him out you had your time you know and i'll let it be like that i don't agree but at the same time i don't agree with with kobe
either you want to play that role stand on it come with it you know joe had to deal with it same thing come with it go ahead and walk that road that's why a lot of people don't play that role that's why people just play the martial arts role they shut up they get cool because they don't want to get booed they don't get chased attacked that's what come with that [ __ ] yeah you're not a guy who got in any unnecessary beefs with people you seem like an easy guy to get along with generally chill brother you are but if you if you rob me wrong you'll see me right you see it you'll see it and there are people that will rub you wrong even if you're nice even if you're a nice person there's people that are going to rob you wrong unfortunately like cowboy i remember the first time i came into this industry it's my first fight i just beat jacob volkman volkmans was this killer on this on this roll i just stopped him and i'm doing my first sighting i'm in the ufc i'm the new kid i'm kind of like just figuring out what this is this is july around the uh the event that they have in vegas the fighter expo i want to say this you know and so we're signing autographs and i'm like i'm a cowboy fan he comes in and uh he's a little tipsy you know drinking wow boy okay cool and so i tell him i'm such a fan blah blah and he tells me some [ __ ] like i'll kick your ass like oh he found something in his division oh i'll beat your ass i'm like oh he's aggressive you know he thinks and in this industry it's only two years long this industry is short you can there's so many people that we don't know are ufc fighters that actually came to the show they did one show and was out maybe they did two fights and was out you know it's so fast the short life so i felt like he treated me like that like oh you're not gonna be around that long you know and he said a lot of underhunted [ __ ] that i'm not gonna say on this show he did a lot of funny [ __ ] that rubbed me wrong and i never forgave him for that and people go why why you got a problem and i tell them behind closed doors like this is why i don't like you
oh and they go okay i can see why and i want my revenge i want my revenge so cowboy is on my [ __ ] list but i never get him he keeps getting away he keeps getting out my fingers and he's going to retire and i'm not going to get my revenge i've been waiting for this for years if i tell you the story i tell you like off the [ __ ] you know okay and it's like it's sweet revenge that needs to happen i believe it's god's plan and it's going to happen and i'm cool that's what i'm saying like i just kept it quiet i'm like i'm gonna get you back i ain't gonna make it i'm gonna tell you the story and when you actually hear the story it's so interesting that like so then it pieces all together i finally think i'm gonna get him and i then he slipped through my fingers so cowboy is one of the guys will get it you will get it and if and i'm not going to go attack the guy and do nothing crazy but i'm going to get my revenge he's got it he's at least got to apologize that's it when i tell you at least you got to say sorry and we can be cool okay i'm cool with i'm cool where we can just apologize and be bygones what your energy is what my energy is if you bring aggression i'll match it if you bring peace i'll match it whatever you want to bring brother so um back to the old days a lot of these kids don't know they don't know joe they don't know what it was like for us like i hear joe i hear chill stories i listen to all of my og's and like chell's so mad sometimes when we get like about pay he's like you know what i can't i can't sign up to fight you if you want to be a fighter this is what it takes [ __ ] the price you signed the contract this is what you get don't complain about it because you signed the contract you know and i get what he says i listen to the old guys and i go okay i understand they were fighting for 500 bucks you know and we're complaining but look what they went through you know they went through the same things that were we're going through these growing periods you know a lot of the older guys went to the indian casino period i was there that's what i said that's what i'm saying i was there yeah i fought at all the casinos
those were the the king of the cage days king of the cage i was the communication champ that was i had two bells for him that was a big deal like that there was an organization that was able to put on shows while there was a ban on mma because they were able to do it in these native americans stars came from there's so many stars rampage rampaging joe stevenson there's so many guys you can name a thousand guys brother that came from king of the cage it was like it was like the the the the uh tool that the ufc pulled from you know one of the organizations that they pulled from and and probably pride too right a lot of guys went over the pride that was the days when pride and the ufc were like kind of neck and neck for a while if you looked at the fights that pride had like with fedor versus nogueira fedor versus crow company they were some of the greatest mma fights of all time and it was happening at the same era as the ufc when the ufc was becoming popular but those were interesting times man really interesting times something like i fought one time where i was in mexico one day um no i was in california i fought a guy named what the [ __ ] is his name um he was one of of uh tito's guys my third fight i'm fighting on friday in la i have another fight already booked saturday in mexico i can't make the way in because you know how you weigh in the day before so i'm literally fighting that day of the weigh-ins in mexico oh my god so the guy weighs in he doesn't even [ __ ] make weight he's at 185 pounds well i'm fighting this guy at 55 then i go to mexico the next day to go fight him i find out he's in 185 i still fight him [ __ ] knock him out it's like this is these are the days guys like you guys got it so good they don't understand that's why i'm so thankful for what we got because i'm like the old guys we didn't have none of this you know you fought two days in a row two days in a row three times in one night i've done it all joe that's something i want to really break the story down for you oh my god and so i met the the
messaging coaches is that the house my sister coaches would let me do this they're like okay so every guy they're doing this with they're all losers they all lose i'm the only guy that they could put a pit bull in there and he's bringing back the money they're like oh [ __ ] he won normally that guy gets knocked out because we're getting fed to the wolves okay you're getting everybody's already got their stars that they're running at these shows so he's the main headline he's going to be the ticket seller and they're going to find someone for him to bring in to slaughter that's the way the business runs so i just happened to be that guy and i come here to steal the show how are they so bad at recognizing that you're good a lot they thought that you were that guy um because i'm this little street kid and they think oh he don't know [ __ ] oh this came later on like i even talked to big john mccarthy my first very first fight i fought his kid jake john was telling him not to take the fight he's like i heard about this kid that he's got some wrestling and he can fight he's like we told him not to take the fight my first fight neil abrams if you can find this fight it's [ __ ] like it's like forrest griffin and stefan bonner we just went toe to toe cracking each other for three rounds straight no um so yeah these are these are beginning days i i literally so now i'm with the messaging coaches right right they're taking me from here to there i'm fighting like on a crazy regiment where i've gotten some i think i had like one one of these months i had like four or five fights in a month you know what i'm saying you know what i'm saying my regimen is crazy so i'm so used to that now i don't fight without some money i don't train i won't go in the gym unless there's some money if not i'm at my warehouse job working six days a week and when they call me oh we gotta fight then i'll come in and train you know and so i train a little bit i don't know [ __ ] about you did too i'm no [ __ ] about striking i'm a wrestler and i'm doing this what's up thinking like i want to get down so that they're like oh he can fight up here so they shoot in on me
now oh you i know all about wrestling so just wrestle the guys pick them and slam them get on top of them pound them out i did it out a couple times made it work you know i was making it work so now i'm getting ready to fight dan uh dan lazan's little brother no joe lazan's little brother dan lazan i get to call him 24 hours of notice i'm at a warehouse they literally say hey we need you to leave work you have 30 minutes to get here and mate and be on weight i'm like 30 minutes i go up to the camera on at the warehouse i go [ __ ] you i'm out here i quit you know and this is the point where i made the decision i'm gonna be a fighter from here on out they're like we'll give you three thousand a show three thousand a win or something like that or no i think it was six grand it's the biggest p-check i had at the time so i'm like six grand i'm working this warehouse job for these pennies i'm out of here i go get on treadmill cut all the way down and i'm fighting damn lazy on the next day so this is the issue with me the issue with me is our smoke we and especially at this time weed is really bad where in fighting like nate god uh nick god spent five years taking a lot of his career away i was running them sacrificial lambs too where i got suspended a year six months a year and a half i kept getting caught up because they're offering these short notice fights and we don't get out your system for 30 days so you're going to piss dirty this is what it is so i got the offer on the fight on 24 hours notice i'm [ __ ] dirty i'm nervous as [ __ ] it's affliction the big affliction shows my biggest show and i'm going what am i gonna do i'm so scared my coach at the time he's like well let's go get high i'm like what yeah so we go in the car we smoked this weed and it's the most dynamic weed i ever had at the time i'm high on my [ __ ] mind right before the fight i'm fighting lazan um i have one of the craziest interests ever i literally i started all this like
show [ __ ] i used to bring the show before the fight i break out the crowd i'm running up the crowd i run upstairs i get them all up let's go they don't even know who i am i took a fight on 24 hours notice i'm not even on the name on the card or none of the posters or any promotion i'm getting them riled up i've taken off i run down these stairs and i run up the next stairs on the other side of the stadium god get up we're at the anaheim pond get up let's go slapping hands and stuff i'm running back down and the camera crew stops me they go hey stop what's up we're not recording oh no i'm like what all out of breath what like that was awesome what do you mean they take me back behind the curtains and they want me to do it again no yeah i'm like you can't do it again it's not the [ __ ] thing oh no it's not the same it's not gonna be like it's supposed so i just come out dude or whatever so now i'm fighting down me and dana fighting and dan doesn't know me and i can tell dan's got this this fear about me you know i'm sorry to say it i don't want to talk about race like that but there's some gentlemen white you guys that they don't only send us black guys exactly you know and and i've been an all coach like my dad's wife so i've been in every culture i know whatever every white guys think i know what messing guys thinking i know what black guys think you know because being in the cultures um so i can see it on his face you know he's like i [ __ ] i gotta fight this [ __ ] so i'm bringing all the [ __ ] [ __ ] to him they ask me what my style is i tell them hood they're like well what is that you know so i wanted to throw my personal uh purposely i don't want you to know i'm a boxer because in my boxer then you're gonna take me down and do jujitsu if i say that you did too you're gonna stand up with me so i'm just gonna say hood it's streets street fighting they don't know what it is let them think let them figure it out we fight down we're fighting i'm beating him up and then i give him a low blow he takes a full five minutes four or five minutes okay cool but i'm high as [ __ ] that we took three is three
low blows one i'll give him one the other two fake as [ __ ] because dan doesn't want to fight so tito's the announcer he's like this guy is [ __ ] he's [ __ ] acting like a [ __ ] like literally when him my toe touches his hip his literally his hip and he falls down so we took him 15 minutes in the first round it's been 15 minutes he takes a whole break i have no idea where time is i'm high as [ __ ] i'm talking to donald trump before he's president i'm talking to oscar de la hoya i'm like what's up guys i'm just high in the middle of the fight in the middle of the fight last [ __ ] 10 seconds um he catches me in a choke just being a rear naked had i know where time was i would have [ __ ] pushed it through but if you don't tap in in mma you don't make money if you could literally get your suspension if you go out and go to sleep you got a six-month suspension really yes that's the way it goes and people don't understand that like they're always like go to sleep go to why you go to sleep you can be tough like no i'm gonna fight tomorrow i got another fight the next week right i can't just let it go i want to be the tough guy and go out and fight it all the way out right but if you do you don't make no more money and i got bills to do that's interesting yeah people don't understand that so to sleep so when people tap in a way if you want to fight if you so if you tap there's no suspension right yeah this is going to be a seven day seven days yeah if you're fine the doctor checks you out seven days you're cool you go right back to work and and i'm telling you even like once i got suspended when i actually got popular wii i had to fight under a whole new name to make money yeah i can't be suspended that's a really good point about tapping out that i never really considered ah i didn't i didn't really consider that if you wanted that would encourage people to tap out because there's some guys that probably wouldn't you got to flip the top of it oh okay they know like uh look at this you gotta give me one of these joe these [ __ ] you can have that one oh yeah
you can have it in a minute the back part cuts cigars by the way i just gotta [ __ ] say this real fast this is on my [ __ ] butt bucket list and thank you for having me sir this is an honor it's a blessing to be in in your presence i see you from the beginning [ __ ] joe i've seen you from the beginning i come to where you are and you're a cool guy come to where you are now you're that's [ __ ] amazing brother who would have [ __ ] known you be here did you think you were pronouncing this no no you know no no one can and to be honest you you uh you um you you don't even realize so many things that you're doing that you're you're touching and doing for instance i was talking to schwab i'm like you took joe's blueprint he took your blueprint he's running your blueprint you'd put out being the fighter but he's running your blueprint where okay fighting went out the door what's next for us what are we gonna do next joe took your blueprint i mean schwab and he's running it he's doing a great job with his shows and stuff you know but i think everybody is just doing the same thing that's all it is we're all just uh you know having fun having conversations [ __ ] around but who was doing that at schwab's time who's the uf what are the ufc fighters were going they're either working for the company but are they unheard of was funny that was the thing he was always funny he was always a fun dude to hang out with his he's silly he's a big giant silly dude you know he's a good guy good dude and when i would have him on podcast he was so fun to hang with and i was like listen man like you don't have to fight anymore like you can make a living doing this i'm talking to him about a show right now i want to deal with him and i want to do some [ __ ] called the sit down i want to sit down we want to take fighters we've had beefs you know we take the the the world's the best beefs and see if we could get the two fighters in the same room you know sit them down and let them and let's speak let's see if we can call a peace treaty and we can get these two men to say i felt like you were doing
this and you said this and this is why i said this oh we're cool i can't understand where you came from good you know right right right do some [ __ ] like that and we go over the the craziest beasts and stuff over time you know it's my little show that's not a bad idea and like imagine if we got nate and connor in the room jesus christ you know that's right you know right right name like my cousin so i can i think i can get nate to do it but connor i don't know about you do you think triple g and canelo could just do do you think they could how well do they both speak english could they have like a conversation where they were talking [ __ ] about each other i don't know you gotta be careful what you say about canelo you see what happened when you said when you say [ __ ] around him he took it like like you [ __ ] my mother you know i think he was just looking for you know no bro and someone missing homie told me that actually they actually like some people take it like a lot of like we call like paisa mexicans and stuff oh they take it that way like oh we say [ __ ] you mean like [ __ ] my mother oh i know he took it like that oh don't you say about my mom and he just flipped you know really it's like it's really saying like are you okay you [ __ ] you know to us in our communication does canelo speak english very well you tell me sir i i don't i don't follow much on that end most of the time i'm talking we're in our realm i i got enough going on in our europe and we're still trying to build this up they're getting millions of dollars we're still working on that [ __ ] those guys [ __ ] those guys how dare you i'm sorry it's mma it's mma versus boxing i'm sorry is it because they've been [ __ ] on us for years i've been disrespecting us don't you think that that and we win all the time but boxing is a necessary art it's a factory i love to see it at the highest level like as a person who likes striking my favorite sport is boxing for hands it's like those guys are on such a
different level it's when you add all the other stuff like kicking and takedowns like there's it's you're never going to get someone who's as pure a boxer you know someone's going to they're going to be athletic they're going to be powerful but to be able to compete with like a guy like mayweather who's just so tuned into it they call me the mayweather of mma that we have similar styles you have a very unusual style bobby i really like the way you fight because your [ __ ] comes out of nowhere your hands are down a lot and you're super accurate and it's um it's a hard style to gauge because a lot of guys are looking for things that are coming from a high guard i mean that's it's a good defensive place to be but you've been able to pull it off with movement and and just great timing and that but that style that you have is it's really interesting because that is an art it is an art man i wanted you to see it i call my style poetry in motion i want you to see it yeah and and and check this poetry i'm going to do for you like you know you go to a poetry slam and they did a little snacks and stuff you know yeah watch this show what i'm gonna do for y'all yeah and i'm in here to the point where i'm in the fight but i'm in the crowd watching it from here and trying to give you what it is from the outside you want to see right yeah so style is big for me style is so big so you're an entertainer as well as a fighter i think that's something you're entertaining with your stuff what product are we selling i tell all my young fighters that what product are you selling we're all selling a product we're selling podcasts and no one is doing it like you that's why you're the number one so what product are you selling what makes you different from the next guy what what makes your your podcast different what makes your fighting style different so i took all the things that people were saying you can do you can't put your hands down you know i broke all the rules and as long as you know the rules set and you know what comes with that then you can you can take those risks do you remember watching vitaly klitschko
fight you ever watch him fight let's go uh i get him get them confused i don't know which ones vladimir i know they're both really good with that jab though yeah they're both really good with the jab vladimir had a more traditional style vitality would keep his hands down a lot he he fought a very awkward style but he had big power you know who i got it from i got the hands down from who i uh i take little pieces and stuff like so i got the show to roll from floyd mayweather i took the hands down from sergio martinez i don't know if you know what that is oh yeah for sure hands down he stood out to me right away i'm like he just stood out to me he just it just he got gravitated towards i'm like that's it right there didn't he he had like a knee injury that eventually kind of [ __ ] him up right yeah yeah because the style was so soccer player yeah well those guys can [ __ ] move man so was aldo yeah those guys when you play that man that's just a sprinting game you know you're just sprinting over there and sprinting over there aldo's kick was so fast i don't like you couldn't even stop it so it's like a jab dude uriah favors one of the toughest [ __ ] human beings that's ever lived i've been through that i've been through that i didn't understand it until i've been through it i fought barbosa oh that's right he kicked the uh the muscle off of my leg it literally detached and rolled up and i didn't know it i couldn't walk for like a week or two and i was just smoking getting high and then finally just went away and i was like all right cool let's get next fight going and so i was getting ready to fight somebody and i think no i wasn't out so i'm getting ready by somebody and like i'm like coach there's a hole in like there's this hole in my leg you know it's like maybe we should get you let's go look at it you know they go you need emergency surgery right now like their things it's gonna they stuck like that so they had to literally go and reattach it back down kicked it off luckily you got it fixed because sometimes people have those uh big time
hamstring pulls like rips i know a dude who had a really badly damaged hamstring and uh he didn't get it fixed and his leg was never the same again he could have gotten it fixed right afterwards he could have got it reattached but he didn't he just tried to like tough it out or maybe he just thought like the surgery wasn't necessary or something like that but it always [ __ ] with him so i'm trying to explain to people like the new the early days where you couldn't just go to a gym and find an image there wasn't like that right you find a jiu jitsu gym here you find this boxing gym you find these friends over here you had to piece things together you just didn't go to the gym and find everything you know and the coaches the coaches were weird and strange and you have to go and find out oh he's just a car salesman i have to tell that to my fighters they're car salesmen they're going to tell you oh you look good yeah yeah yeah they just [ __ ] selling you a car you know they're not actually helping you right right so on a teacher now after the day i was on fight i got choked out and i'm now going i don't know if this coach has got the best for me well if you get me high before a fight you're probably not going to be the best for me you know you probably got the best you know are you going to get me high general rule yeah that was it for me i was like all right so then i left and that's where i met my dad and i [ __ ] in his gym i'm going and doing jiu jitsu and then from the one class he called me after he called me and he's like what are you taking i'm like what do you mean he's like like your supplements like we don't what is supplement i don't even know what it was it's like you know bcaas and stuff like that he brought me a whole care package and i started seeing this coach had a different love he actually cared for the fighter he actually was making sure your health and what are you doing like my dad's always told me it's not what you
do in the case it's what you do out you know he's like you're so talented you do this stuff in the case but if i'm worried about what you're doing in the streets if you don't get if you don't get locked up if you don't get all these different situations you know yeah so i'm trying to walk you down this pathway of me going from coach and figuring out how to do this fighting thing it was hard at first it was rough you know and so when i mean like that we finally started uh getting some um stability but i'm still a knucklehead i've been with that old coach he'd have to come literally find me i'd be at this girl's house or this girl's house and he'd go fine like i had this saying my mama couldn't find me if she wanted to my mom couldn't find me if she wanted to nobody can find me because why i'm a foster kid and i got eight families i got three mexican families i got two white families i got two black families over here so i'll just be staying at the house one day i'll stay at this over here i'll come in over here and [ __ ] with them and so i'm everywhere you can never find me but he knew the places so he'd go by and that's you know knocking on the window and i'd be in bed with some girls like [ __ ] he's hitting me for practice tell him not here come in the room come on let's go to practice and he just forced me to do just to force me to do this and i became pretty good and i started liking it a little bit i hate jesus but i like it a little bit and so from there i built this bond with this dude i'm 21 years old he's teaching me about how to raise a kid and all this different life and now i got this like father figure your coach is supposed to be help you not only with in the cage stuff but outside the stuff like when i tell my fighters now first thing i do i mean a new guy i make him spark right away right away i put him in the heat of battle and the most he he could possibly stand why because i want to know about his personality in fighting you get to learn about people's personalities they tell you who they are they're either give up they're gonna quit they're gonna rise to
the occasion they're gonna fight back i need to learn about your personality and then that tells me about everything so i got certain guys that'll they'll get hit and they'll go and start going hard with another guy i'm like what's going on oh he hit me and and it's a communication barrier something's uh oh he's been through some things you know something that's deep dark in his in his past that he's dealing with that he's he's bringing into mma it's oh you were trying to and when we actually break it down he felt like he was trying to you were trying to hurt me and it's a mechanism he's using to combat that he's been doing all his life right so fighting shows personalities you know um so i'm meeting my dad he's getting me up through all these different mentals and stuff we're starting to get all this momentum we're getting this gym we're building up we're getting all these new fighters i'm getting on this roll and then he gets locked up he goes to prison my dad's never had any uh offenses never did anything ever been in any jail time we were selling a car um no we were buying a car um we're buying this car he's like hey i want to buy this mercedes can you drive the truck down and you'll drive the truck back and i'll drive the mercedes i'm like cool he's like oh it's in san diego okay cool so we go down there we meet this guy no no we meet this girl she doesn't even speak english so he gives her the id gives her a cashier's check and he goes to test drive the car while he's going to get in the car the woman takes off she takes off and when he gets in the car he notices the mileage is not the same so if we're buying a car and it's ten thousand more miles that changes the price on things now so he goes the girl's gone what the [ __ ] you know so he's going through the paperwork he finds the owner calls the owner some guy comes we talked to him we explained it to him he said we're gonna fix it we go back home maybe three four weeks
go by the guy's not answering doesn't want to get my dad back his money we gave him back the car he's kept the car and the money so next you know my dad's like [ __ ] like he's ignoring me blah blah we need to go down and we need to go go over here and talk to him so i'm like i can tell where it's going i'm like all right dad we're gonna go now we're gonna talk to him or we need to be cool tongues we need we'll be talking with no heat in our tunnel just because why he's already got the car he's already got the money they're pretty much [ __ ] like could you give him a cashier's check there it's just like cash right you can't get it back there's we're already [ __ ] so let's just try to be cool so i don't know why i think god made this all happen for some reason so we're going down this guy's house it's me my dad and a mexican guy and uh we're driving up to by the coincidence like he's in his gated community and so by coincidence somebody else is driving in the gate opens we drive right behind him go in you know we find his house we pull it to the house we're looking at the house he's like right here but he has another gate and cameras and stuff to actually go to his house so um we're like if we ring the doorbell and tell him come he's gonna see us us and he's not gonna come he's not gonna answer it it's not going to give us our money he's going to ignore us so by coincidence the pizza man comes up you know he's just having to be pulling up so we walk up right at the same time the pizza man's coming now cohen i told my dad have a cool tongue be cool about it but he's been already feeling like this guy's ignoring me this he already knows it's he already his feelings up it's a scheme this guy's playing me on my money somehow they're running some scheme or they sell cars and they do this little weird thing and so we go in we're talking to the people
we're trying to talk it out all of a sudden the guy's saying oh i don't got the money i don't know he don't know anything they're yelling back and forth my dad and this guy yelling back and forth and now i see a situation that's loud we're in this white area i don't i don't i already know what's going police don't get caught so i'm like hey calm it down you know that's you know wanted my dad had busted a guy now it's wet and it's getting real serious i'm like [ __ ] holy [ __ ] i'm trying to comment defuse the situation defuse it you know hey look we know you got the money we gave you the money just give him his money you got the car let's just go our way guys you know let's just cool it down so he's like all right i got the money it's in the house before he didn't have the money now he's got the money that's in the house but we don't want to go in the house we're like we're going to house it could be it's gonna get it could be sticky well we don't go in the house he's gonna lock the door and we're stuck outside and we don't get the money and you can call the police and who so we're in this weird position what do you go you go left you go right all right [ __ ] it we're like we're gonna go in just don't touch anything let's just get the money we're gonna go and go all right so we go in um i forgot to mention there was a kid there when my dad had brother's kid the kid was there he started crying so the kid doesn't know he wasn't there at the time but he just hears her yelling so he comes out all he knows is his dad went outside for pizza and now he hears her yelling about some money so the kids go to give you the money i'll give you the money like what like like he thinks it's about this so we all want to go inside and diffuse the situation we'll go inside they're going inside we get the money basically it's a lot of other stuff that happens in the house a lot of crazy stuff basically we find out he's running he has my dad's id he's looking us up he finds out that like when we walk right in the house he
closed the laptop and my dad's the only person that caught it i'm like what the he's like well what did you what were you doing and i started arguing about that and i'm trying to defuse him against guys like let's just get the money but when he opened up the laptop he had my dad's photo copy of his id he was looking up his address looking up his gym and all this different stuff right i'm gonna tie you into it later on why this is important and so they're arguing about that i defuse them my dad goes and talks to the kid calm the kid down listen this is what happened it's okay so i'm over there with the other guy i'm talking george let's just get the money let's get this done we can get it back our way we get the money we leave my dad's gonna go to atlanta to open a gym this is like now a month or two later he goes to atlanta somewhere they they stop him a whole bunch of security i mean not security cops helicopters he's looking and he's seeing them come he's like whoever they're going to go at they're in trouble you know but he doesn't know that old boy went to the cops about this we got our money we shook hands we're thinking it's okay everybody's cool we're all cool we're like man we we see that you're running some scheme you can do that somebody else don't play us cool but just go away here buddy we shake your hands we go away two months later he gets arrested now so he's arrested in atlanta deals all this he's they're trying to give him 157 years or something like that what yeah kidnapping so we find out the laws kidnapping is if you make somebody move within 15 feet uh in fear with them with not in within their own will like if i yell at you right now joe [ __ ] you what's up i was like get the [ __ ] out of here and i made you go from here 15 feet within your own that's kidnapping what yeah so they hit him with a kidnapping charge assault charge burglary robbery
they're stacking the charges up you know is that true everywhere 15 feet is kidnapping is that like a national thing you tell me brother you we're gonna find out we got jamie we got jake we got the man jamie over there i just found out david's face yeah you just pulled up jamie he's the [ __ ] man so um we're doing that [ __ ] i'm now but that sounds pleased oh [ __ ] they locked him up i get scared of [ __ ] i know what's up you're guilty by association i didn't hit that man i didn't want no situation i don't want nothing to do with this i came to diffuse the situation and now i'm looked at as accomplice you know oh to 157 years i go in hiding and like i said you earlier can nobody find me not even my [ __ ] mama okay nobody find me so my dad's in prison he's trying to find me but he can't he's like bro i can't you got i got to be on the street to get to find him you know he wants me to go and talk to and work this out he's got a lawyer and he's got it all out and he's working these things out they're trying to get him 157 years i'm scared i live by the pirates code like we're black people the pirates go whoever falls behind gets left behind you know and so we all running and whoever the police catch they caught you and you don't tell and we get away whoever gets away if i get caught i shut the [ __ ] up and it's just what it is and so i don't i'm not talking about that i'm not i had no contact with him i'm just like trying to stay away from it it's it's been about a year i've been having sleepless nights the mexican guy's like brother like we didn't do anything wrong we can't keep hiding we're not working we're we can't fight we can't do anything like we're just scared you know and he's like we got to do what we need to do we got to go back to living so i started talking to his wife my dad's wife and getting contact with him and what's going on turns out they were going to get 157 years but he hired a private investigator followed that guy around turns out that guy was meeting with the judge and the
d.a at a golf course to his case it's a conflict of interest you know and so he was able to show that they gave him two years first offense never did nothing never been in prison jail nothing like that and now he's got to go to prison you know and he's dealing with a wildlife i wanted him to tell you the story about all this stuff that he had to go through and where we is that why you brought him here yes yes you okay yeah i wanted him to explain all these different stuff so that let's pause this our relationship pause we'll get him in here okay cool oh yeah okay i want to hear it we're gonna pause we're gonna bring him in why don't you introduce your dad okay first of all i'm gonna introduce my dad he's crazy but i wouldn't be here without him i'm so thankful loyalty is big for me and we've been through this crazy journey and it's so dope to have him here jake benny thank you i appreciate just being a part of your story well um he wanted to bring you in before he he started telling me the story and then he's like we got to bring him in so you were out there so that's why i messaged you i was like can i bring my dad see it when you said i thought you meant to the studio i didn't think you meant on the show okay i'm trying to give you some real [ __ ] joe like okay because nobody else is gonna give it to you like this so i've been here and he's got this crazy black guy in his gym you know and he like the fighters that he had before they were fighting once twice a year you know here i come and i'm like i just had five four fights last month like let's keep it rolling like let's fight and i wouldn't go to the gym unless he had a fight right he'd always like like on me trying to [ __ ] make me stay at the gym and i'd always and this was a battle for us you know you have to come get me and force me so i'm so thankful that like that's why i call him my dad is that a real father somebody that that kind takes the time to make it better you know right see something in you bring it out of you
because i wouldn't i'll be somewhere in the streets working a freaking warehouse job if it wasn't for him it's a hard gig to be a fighter man you know someone to have the kind of belief in you to be able to do that that he had that for you at that time must have been like the one of the most special things right it didn't it didn't at that time it didn't feel like it and not at that time it made sense later on you know because i didn't believe it like he would tell me like you're gonna you're gonna make a lot of money you're gonna you're gonna be this you're gonna make belts and you're gonna i'm like so while he was pushing you why were you resisting what were you thinking um i was thinking about money i was thinking short term like hey okay this stuff ain't ain't paying enough i'm working a warehouse job i'm going to be leveling up in there i'm going to become a lead and then a manager i'm not going to be yeah oh no i'm going to work up the ladder in the working environment can you imagine if that's how you went you wouldn't die with me i would not allow me all the time he begged me to quit my job all the time oh it's it's like a lot of coaches go through you know like they they have these fighters they develop these intimate relationships with they talk to their their wives about them their families about them their kids about them you know what i mean next thing you know it's just they're part of the family you know what i mean and he lived with us for for a lot of his fights you know and that was really kind of how i how i was able to keep the reins on him to be honest for real like we'd get a fight and i'd have to go find him you know and bring him to my house i told you that he had to go find me i believe you i'd take his keys from him you know he'd take his car keys from him and [ __ ] and uh that way he would only ride with me you know so we just do wake me up make me get up and go to kids class after kids class then we got adult class and then we got mma's class like all this stuff used to hate it but i realized at that point on that's where i really honed into my
skills and i realized oh this is what it takes be really zoned in and really do it nothing else but it yeah yeah and so eventually you just gave in yeah yeah for instance i used to like he first like with the smoking he don't he didn't he was against it you know so you're like well [ __ ] it well at least do this can you give me 20 days clean before you know and i would give you like 15 and then it got to 20 and then i got a little better i got 25 and i started oh this is i saw the results in my fights oh we need to be clean you need your lungs i just talked to uh my boy terrence mckinney and i was just like he's like marilyn monroe i'm a big fan of you i'm like i'd like to like rashad did it with me big brother this hey give him a little advice he hit me up and wanted to smoke with me right before the islam fight i'm like what you smoke he's like yeah he just went out there smoked and then smoked a guy i'm like yeah i used to do that too brother trust me i used to smoke weed and beat guys too but i realized at this level you can't do it big dog come here don't put that weed down focus on your craft and then after you go partying you party hard you know how different do you feel when you do 25 days of no weed like what's the difference it's it's so crazy brother and i was gonna get into that like and so but what do you how do you feel like when when you do that yes i don't know if it's detoxing man i think marijuana is medicine for a lot of fossils i thought it was the weed at first you know and that's what i cut the wheat out cut and then i realized it's the it's the tobacco on the weed that is the thing man when i first got introduced to the the blunt i was like what a brilliant thing but i like it no i like it it's a different high it's a different it's a high high yeah it's not a like you the tobacco is a stimulant i think is that what it's it's um i know it's it's got cognitive benefits tobacco
enhances your thinking yeah there's a lot of people that are writers that get addicted to smoking because it just it enhances their their focus yeah them autumn 10 planet guys guys there's a lot of blunts involved in those get around and move and yeah yeah so now i meet the guy that i that i'm finding all the success with who's this bobby green kid you know we're we're killing [ __ ] we got belts and we're and are putting our gym on the map all the fighters starting to kind of gravitate in we're getting our momentum and then he goes to jail and so now that he went to prison and i was breaking that down for him pop is yeah so bobby was telling us the story and you said like what what what's your version of the story yeah you know one of the things i learned through this process like like he said we didn't talk for a while you know like there was some communication with him but for the most part like the first six months you know it was like i was hiding yeah you're hiding so the perspective i got to hear the victim's perspective when i was in court some of it was correct some of it was a lie flat out lie and then i got to hear bobby's perspective eventually and then the other kids perspective and then i lived what my perspective was you know and about 80 of it is is is correct in all the ways but there's always that 20 percent that that's different you know everybody else sees something different they feel something different you know right especially in the time of panic yeah that's the big yeah you don't see it all the same when we were all oh like somebody came shooting in like oh he had a red shirt no he had a red stripes any other you know that's a real problem with eyewitness testimony and those big crazy events right yeah and i had to come to terms with the understanding of of that like when it happened to me and i went in and and going through that whole process like you're really angry because what's happening is not what should have happened right now pop tell them so are we gonna walk up i want you to tell them the real [ __ ] i want you to tell them
that [ __ ] like the process of you gotta understand what it is for a person who's never been in jail doesn't know the rules of jail i mean a prison doesn't know anything about that stuff and and the life he went through like he shared a lot of this stuff with me and i don't know how much he wants to share but just but it's it's essentially a story of the legal system gone wrong too in your case because you got [ __ ] you went to god god gives you money back and then somehow or another you catch a case ooh i said that like a rapper i don't think i've ever said the case i wasn't even trying to blunt talking it is that's exactly what it is like how do what the [ __ ] is this like i mean like how does it keep your faith like how do you how do you get through some something like that where you know you were wronged and somehow or another someone lied and made it look like you did something you didn't yeah so that mean that's essentially the story right yeah yeah it was a scam so what i was able to during this whole process we were able to figure out this gentleman had fraud in indiana he had fraud in arizona and so he's a scam artist yeah absolutely played basketball at indiana university these guys six nine 290 pounds and they didn't factor any of this in bro i'm in the the in the political oh it's who calls first yeah it's in who cares we didn't call the police we thought we shook hands on a gentleman thing and we we're good he wouldn't call the police oh my god so this guy everything's documented in in the in the court case right so he the our incident took place he went to go see his attorney the next day then then he went to the hospital and then from the hospital back to his house then the police report and then that police report then he goes back to his attorney and it's like he's just been coached this whole process and and really what it came down to in my situation was they wanted bobby paperwork like they have to write all this stuff down and and they go present
it to me i'm reading through all this stuff and it's multiple times in there with we want the african-american guy the black guy the black kid from san bernardino they like and they wanted me to give up bobby and this other kid that i had with me uh to get a better deal right so they come with me all these years and then they want the black guy so the stuff that happened inside the house when we walked into the house this guy tried to do some some sideways [ __ ] things got all chaotic again in the house and then i see all the stuff on the computer and it wasn't just me on the computer like he had a picture of my wife at the time on there my kids schools where they went to school like this [ __ ] guy had so much [ __ ] it was like i wanted to just smash this guy right and just go but that's not what happened you know i mean like for the most part everything was pretty level-headed and that's why i felt like when we when we left the situation it was like okay we're things are going to be okay you know but you did have that fear you know maybe that's why because you had your information yeah that you felt like that like i stayed at his house for like the next two weeks because we felt like he has his address he has all this information on yeah you know i pulled my guns out i put my shotgun in here i'm like that you know what i mean like right i don't want to [ __ ] live like that right i mean like that's ridiculous we had no intentions of any type of stuff like this for this situation ever you just stumbled into a scam artist yes yeah yeah well that's just it's insane that they can't and san diego and the way the way it works is they have a 90 it's like uh jamie probably 98 97 96.8 conviction rate in this in the city of san diego so if you what does that mean if you if they catch you for something you're going that means okay conviction rate mean you're going to prison not necessarily just county jail right so their conviction rate is so high that if you get arrested in san diego 96 97 of the time you're going to catch a case we definitely got to google this yes
because this what's the conviction rate of san diego that's crazy if true i'll file that under crazy if true that that seems real well this is how they unless they are like so careful about arresting people well think about it like this right so so the city itself okay so in the paperwork it says says they wanted the black guy because they don't want these i.e thugs coming down to the great city of san diego and harassing their their uh residents wow harassing their thieves exactly so they don't want this to become a fad where i'm like telling my homies hey we just hit a lick and let's keep going down to san diego you know some stupid [ __ ] like that so the incident takes place outside and at the time my understanding is they changed kidnapping in the penal code now so a few years ago they i wrote that already down i wrote the the kidnapping [ __ ] down he was telling me that it's 15 feet is that real i think it's 18 or 23 feet 23 feet so if you get someone to walk 23 feet against their will that's kidnapping yeah and so he gets on the stand at the preliminary hearing and says i moved 23 feet from the front of my driveway to the front of the house that's 23 feet so because he got on the stand and said that now the jurors have to hold this law to its highest standard it took an oath to hold the law to its highest standard and if they just decide oh no this guy this guy's innocent like this is [ __ ] up situation whatever this this guy's whatever right then the juror gets charged with obstruction of justice that carries two to four years in prison and i believe so what juror is going to stand up for me to not go to prison to say hey no this is wrong we're giving this guy kidnapping but this is not kidnapping but in our penal code this is what it reads if your victim was willingly on his own goodwill and says he's in fear for his life more than 18 feet or 23 feet that's kidnapping don't even have to touch them so they stack these four charges up because the kid and him so i had four counts of kidnapping which was two to carry in an l and then two with the
possibility of parole jesus christ yeah and then you start stacking up all these other charges and all these years start adding up right and then all of a sudden you're facing something that you don't even know how to fight it you don't know how to fight it the system's too big it just swallows you up you know wow so show him how you felt when you saw that when you saw them years man i just bro it was unreal i was like broke down dude he said he was crying all over the paperwork that he couldn't even sign it yeah that they had to go print another one out so they brought me this deal right okay so they they come to me we're going to jury selection and they come to me and say okay we'll give you 10 years with 85 and a strike if you sign today and i'm like what the [ __ ] man like my attorneys are all telling me to sign this this paperwork right and i just couldn't get myself to do it man like part of the problem here was but that's the main problem when i feel like i go in 10 years i'm never going to get out i'm a first termer i got to go in i got to put work in and you're going to catch more time so it's really hard to get out of the system if you're going to be in there that long so when all this stuff went down they bring me the deal the deal is 10 years with 85 and i'm looking at it and my attorneys are like you got to sign you got to sign it and i just couldn't you know like i couldn't bring myself to say that i was a thief so they want me to to put on paper and document that i'm a thief they want me to take a deal robbery 211 with a strike you know great body injury all this stuff i'm like no i didn't do that that's not my character like i can't say that i'm a thief because i despise thieves you know and i'm it's like like that's part of what broke me you know was here's what i feel like i can stand up for as a man right like you think you oh
i'll handle myself this way in this situation i would do it like this you know we've never been a situation we got and then you face those yeah you face those things like oh you're innocent [ __ ] go to trial yeah but if you lose what like they set it up that it's not going to be a victory like that you know what i mean and you were saying the percentage was what was it what would you think it was 96. the most like i i could find from 2017.94 and at my time it was it was 96.8 when i went in oh that's so high yeah it says oh san diego county district attorney's office has a felony conviction rate of 94 there you go well if they were like the best police ever and and everybody was telling the truth at all times bro and there's no mistakes made yes man these guys are so crooked bro oh [ __ ] i want to talk about this i want to get to this but this fits in here do you know that whole story about the staircase there was like some conviction where uh the father was convicted of throwing someone yeah that was documentary or the husband rather was convicted of like pushing the wife downstairs they think now this is a possibility that she might have been attacked by an owl that was part of the holy [ __ ] yeah that wasn't that's not new it isn't no oh i think that's even might be the end of the documentary i was just reading this article about it it was just out i'm pretty sure yeah somebody sent me an old article i heard about that yeah they found microscopic owl hairs or owl feathers rather in her hair and they found holes like like could have been talon marks i believe i don't want to [ __ ] this up yeah because i was reading it but what happened to him is the question 2018 this came out is that it wow yeah that's it so do you think it's somebody sent to me and i didn't look at the the date but anyway this [ __ ] owl might have killed this lady the owl hit her head apparently with the talons and she was apparently she had out been out drinking and having a good time and here it is
according to the theory the events of the night unfolded like this this is just a theory uh kathleen peterson was outside the couple's home at night while her husband was down by their pool an owl likely a barrel owl let's say that 10 times fast a barrel barred owl it's barrett right b-a-r-r-e-d bared owl swooped down and attack kathleen on her head causing the lacerations police found later yes owls do attack humans we'll get into that later kathleen then ran inside to escape the owl which had ripped out chunks of her hair pine needles were also found in her hands along with microscopic feathers drops of blood were found on the front steps and the door had blood smeared on it indicating that whatever happened it wasn't totally confined to the staircase and continuing with the theory kathleen at this point attempted to go upstairs where she slipped and fell toxicology reports found traces of anti-anxiety medication muscle relaxants end alcohol combined with an owl attack getting up a long flight of stairs is far from a straightforward proposal the theory posits that she slipped and fell causing the injuries that ultimately led to her death wow which is it sounds like far-fetched doesn't sound that far-fetched if there's blood on her hand and she's she's bleeding in front of the steps and she's got her own blood on the door opening the door she's already been hit yeah something something happened already yeah you may but i thought you said something like that did he do time and pushed him and that's what i'm trying to find out no not not dad i'm sorry the husband i think that was the guy who got convicted for it right and then they got they let him out there was a mistrial i believe that's the story behind it wow yeah i don't know i haven't watched that documentary though so i might be [ __ ] this up yeah that's what imagine if your wife got killed by a [ __ ] owl though that is so crazy but but i'm just trying to figure out the husband's point of view like they thought it was him oh my god one wife got killed by an owl and you get unfairly pegged as the as the killer yeah that's the thing man you realize like
that system is not perfect so i met a lot a lot of pretty good people in there believe it or not you know like a lot of veterans man yeah a lot of veterans in there a lot of people have drug issues more so you know issues there mentally that are happening lends them in prison you know for sure for sure drug problems yeah and that's the big part of the homeless problem as well you know drug problems mental health problems lack of um texas huh i'm not here it's too much no the money it was the big thing coming to texas was they don't tell you what to do there was a thing about california stopping people from doing shows stopping people from doing stand-up even outside they wouldn't let them have outside shows for a while it didn't make any sense the comedy store was trying to do shows outside they're like no no shows outside we don't want any shows i'm loving texas brother it's nice nice people are friendly it's even the white guys you know my coach told me some [ __ ] he was like uh durant he was like it's because they got guns on them they they ain't worried about nothing you know back in california you can't carry it that's an unfortunate reality that that old expression a well-armed society is a polite society you know it really unfortunately is true because you know where it could go yeah and ain't no fight it's it's always he's going for his gun well a friend of mine once said um we were out to dinner with uh fighters uh post ufc and he was like dude i've met like 10 fighters from you he goes to all the nicest guys yeah like yeah because they have nothing to prove they've nothing to approve they're not puffing up their chest like a rooster and walking around wanting people to respect them like they don't give a [ __ ] they're tired from training they just want to chill and relax they have no i need to prove i'm the baddest [ __ ] in the room in them because they have zero of it our eagles aren't there you don't like that you know especially guys who do mma because you're you're
gonna there's gonna be an area where you don't excel okay okay okay so you're hitting on something i have to explain this to uh a lot of my uh i had to save a lot of like a lot of my one of my [ __ ] like the when they first wanna come to mma uh a lot of black dudes got egos and i have to tell them listen it's different in this world i know in the streets like you feel bad and you could like somebody say something you feel like you could talk you could but in here we're just going on the mat and solve it yeah and it's a difference in the world if we know who's the big fish and we know who's a small fish we've seen you and you can't hide behind words we've seen you being here awkward that's what i tell you about earlier about fighting is tell your personality is we've seen you in your most vulnerable we've seen you be hurt we see you like ugh you gave up we saw you be tired and have nothing left yeah you're at your most vulnerable well with a lot of young guys that are really tough there's a moment where you realize when you start training with people that are an elite level they start seeing like oh my god i'm getting lit up like you got to realize who you really are like in in the food chain and some guys can accept that and they become more technical and they get better and some guys they're like it's too much to have to get quit that yeah to get to get to where uh you know dosanjo so you talked about earlier to get to where that guy is i mean that guy has been putting in work for a long [ __ ] time i was thinking that while i was watching the mikano fight i was like he has been putting him work for a long [ __ ] time way he's a real fighter a real fighter yeah mcconnell called me out did he really yeah and i just want to tell him hey i acknowledge it i hear you oh yeah all the guys that called me like i get a list now now that i'm somebody in somebody's eyes just wait until after this show and they're like calling me out and stuff i'm like hey i just want you guys to know i acknowledge you i hear you and i would love to fight you but again i have bosses they make the fights so
whoever they pick is who i fight but i want you to acknowledge you because i felt like before this little bubble um i would call guys out and they wouldn't give you the acknowledgement you know like the first person ever said my name and i made this in my book is like i mean i write it now i was like can you say my name i'm going to fight you i'm going to get you you know candy man i want to yeah you say my name i shall appear you know and so tony called my name but i was number six in the world at the time before tony had his rise and he called he wanted to fight me i'm like i accepted i acknowledged i gave you that opportunity now it's flipped and i'm like hey tony you wanted that fight how about that fight right no answer crickets he's showing me he's seen it like even messaging him but he's not answering oh come on now don't do that give me my acknowledgement you know give me the acknowledgement acknowledge me as a man same like uh the only person acknowledged me and i had to tell him it was uh the ir uh irish dragon felder elder i was like hey failure i appreciate your acknowledgement you know you at least let me know i'm in the room you see me and you respect me and hey go do this or do that or maybe we'll fight at least acknowledge yes felder is a great guy he is a great guy uh commentary with him this past weekend he's a sweetheart of a guy he's been getting i hated that he's getting like picked on a little bit by some of the guys you know with the commentary like uh it's hard man it's you're thinking in real time you're thinking in the middle of fights they ain't joke no i'm [ __ ] up too man i [ __ ] it up too there's just no way around it man it's uh it's a weird uh thing you're in the middle of calling something you get excited you get emotional you're you're you're attached you know people you know you have ideas in your head about how you thought it was going to be versus how it's actually happening you know every commentator experiences all of those things you know that's all the
stuff that i had to go through so paul i want you to tell him about when the police actually came you almost have to be animated to do it yeah i mean i want you to tell me i'm sure i'm in atlanta i'm in atlanta we're getting ready to buy a gym yeah and i did some research out there to see if there was any gyms in the area you know we're in alpharetta like uh near cobb county right and um i was buying a house in canton and uh i'm like paying the whole house off basically like financing like 50 grand right right and uh there's like oh we're having problems with your your bureaus right i'm like this is impossible i have like 800 some credit score you know and i've got 450 grand right here like what's going on so she's like oh just go get some food and then come back and we'll have it all put together right so i take off hop in this car and driving down the street and i see a jiu jitsu school and there's like 40 50 kids in this school right but i had been online looking and seeing who's in the area and i never saw a school in the area so i just like crossed over from like two lanes right right into this parking lot and hop out of my car run into this jiu-jitsu school real quick and i'm watching this this class and uh this [ __ ] coach this guy this instructor is got all these black belts and certificates all over the wall and everything got like 40 kids and 40 guys in this class so i sit down and just watch and i'm like man this seems off like something seems off in here you know i'm like looking and this fool starts teaching some [ __ ] he's like hold on a second and he runs over to the corner and he flips through this book and looking at his book he runs back and he shows the other half of the move you know and i'm like i'm a [ __ ] book i'm like that's kind of strange you know like like so afterwards i asked him i said i said hey who did you get your black belt from you know and he goes oh from from the gracies and i say well from who and he goes oh i i did these things where i recorded myself doing these moves and i sent it in to them and then they send me back this
gracie combatives [ __ ] black belt [ __ ] right what yeah wait a minute hold on a second you're saying you can get a black belt online this is what this guy tells me it's a great deal it's called a gracie combative black belt but that's not real he's lying right no they really did it they there was a time where where i don't know who started it okay but you could send in like you could do these moves right they give you this this this layout of like here's what your criteria is to be a blue belt purple belt a black belt like all this stuff right you could do it online with no formal instruction i don't know how he did it how is that this is what he tells you brother i don't think you've exposed i never heard that he had a certificate as well said gracie's combative certificate but that would be a giant scandal in the mma in jiu jitsu community composers you know yeah i don't think a black belt is that real i mean we have to be real careful about this like i'm being totally serious you really can get a black belt no i don't know about this guy said he did oh yeah this guy said he didn't fake posers guys that's how that goes he was trying to tell me that he had a black belt read god damn it what the [ __ ] have you done to my brain i'm telling you this oh i got okay i was confused i'm sorry i thought you were saying okay got it so so then i realized like this this guy don't know [ __ ] right so i'm [ __ ] pumped right i'm thinking i call his ass i'm like bro we're going to kill it out here right so get on the phone and call my wife i'm like man i just sent his school they got like 40 students in here and this guy sucks like we're gonna kill it right and i'm on the phone with her and all of a sudden i see this big truck come in the parking lot like speeding right like and i'm like [ __ ] this is crazy right and this other car right to the other side and all of a sudden this guy jumps out of the black truck they pull up right on me right like this this guy jumps out and he's like full [ __ ] body armor bro jumps out running at me everybody get out of crowd i just turned the square up with this
guy right square up and he's like uh like tries to stop he takes a digger falls into the [ __ ] curb into the planner so i turn around i'm like looking to fight with this other guy and then i realized like [ __ ] helicopters oh my god 23 [ __ ] you have no idea why they're attacked i have no clue what's going on that is [ __ ] crazy so so they slammed me on the ground start [ __ ] me up right get me all twisted up and [ __ ] and this guy comes over and he's like we got you [ __ ] you're going down you're going down [ __ ] and i'm like whoa whoa like the hell is going on i'm like i'm like bro you guys got the wrong guy like you're the wrong guy dude and this guy puts this picture of me down and he's like i don't think so [ __ ] you're going down i'm looking at my picture i'm like how the [ __ ] i said what am i going down for bro he goes you're going over kidnapping [ __ ] and i go kidnapping i don't even have my daughter with me you said that well i had just gone to court oh jesus christ so i raised my my daughter my um from 18 months old till she was about six and i got married about five and a half or so so i got married and then so i raised her for a handful of years by myself my mom appealed out to florida and that's just my girl you know love brooke love you guys brooke riley i love you guys to death shout outs yeah for sure my kids are awesome so you think that someone is saying that you have kidnapped your child yeah okay because and i got all this court documentation saying i can move my kid from california to atlanta the second-hand smoke in this room is very potent you're gonna have to keep me on track today that's what i'm saying stay on track sorry so uh i've been [ __ ] forgotten where is that now i do it you're talking about them uh putting the [ __ ] [ __ ] in your face the picture and [ __ ] yeah okay so they have the photo of you in the restaurant okay yeah so i get the
court kidnapping work to allow me to move my daughter there you know what i mean right so they're telling me oh no you're kidnapping there's what you got and i'm going no no i have court paperwork to prove that i i did not kidnap my daughter like i've been raising my daughter and he's like i don't know you're going to jail though bro so i go to jail but everything out there in atlanta different uh area codes and stuff right so i get on their phone i can't call long distance to let anybody know i'm arrested so now i'm sitting in this holding tank for like six days my wife's trying to figure out where the [ __ ] i'm at everybody's trying to figure out where i'm at and then it starts going down everybody starts figuring out oh he got arrested and it was like all these crazy rumors and [ __ ] going around you know and then it just leads into this whole process of this crazy case right i'm in atlanta i'm there now locked up for about three months or so they extradite me back to california but anything okay extra diet back to california not bad right [ __ ] i look like [ __ ] hannibal lecter dude they [ __ ] put me in this [ __ ] [ __ ] i'm handcuffed shackled walking through the airport like this wow and i had never done anything wrong like i never had a speeding ticket bro i never had a nothing i went from sleeping on a fifteen thousand dollar bed to sleeping on a metal [ __ ] rack you know what i mean with no notepad concrete floor use a milk crate for a milk carton for a pillow you know like stupid [ __ ] you know that's why really trying to get them to understand the audience and stuff is like because i went to jail for my first time too and it was such a experience for somebody who's been like as when i go into jail i had already started getting money and to understand that uh this isn't normal and the being needs to be it's a it's a it's a crazy experience that i'm trying to get people to understand for people
like that that are the normal that you ain't been in jail you don't do bad and you don't and you then you go in there with the people that this is normal to them it's a different it's a different wave yeah different totally different thought processes so how did you eventually get out anything that's interesting just tell me what happened oh my god dude so first day in jail one day i feel like one day i feel like i'm gonna like i want to write a book eventually you know like about this whole story this journey you know and and i feel like the journey is not justified unless we fight for a world title that's kind of how i feel you know it's like that'll give me the credibility to be able to tell my story so it's been this journey of like grinding trying to prove that we're good enough to be there you know what i mean there and then it gets [ __ ] locked up right when we're getting in there i get signed the strike force and all that other stuff right when he gets locked up yeah basically they did some sideways [ __ ] at king the cage in his contract and i had the contract okay but i'm locked up and i don't have access to the contract it's in my filing system at my school right so i have to get access to this contract now get it to the right people so that we can get him out of his while you're in jail yeah so i'm on the phone talking to terry and talking to shingo and a couple other people you know and we're going through this whole thing and i'm like no that's not in the contract that's not in the contract and they're trying to hold on to him and keep him and basically he was supposed to get a rematch with tim means so they say okay no you got to beat dom o'grady so now we fight dom o'grady and this whole time i'm locked up he's fighting these fights i'm i got a phone right so i get a smartphone from awesome ceo in there just like blessed me you know so i come in and i'm working on my phone and i start scrolling through and we okay now we're fighting jay-z kavakov doing all the fight work and breaking the
fighters down from jail what they're doing watching videos on them they're having oh you could you could you had a whole internet connection and everything kind of everything worked i'd like the baddest phone that really was out yeah dollar bullet yeah how much of that's going on oh tons of it like there's a phone everywhere in there really yeah it's like it's a big business you know like if you think about it break it down it's huge money for [ __ ] cell phones of course it's already a lot of money on the outs you know so the people the people go on outside that don't understand how the system works you know they're like oh how did you get these phones in there you know how do you get drugs in there well how the [ __ ] do you think they get in there the [ __ ] ceos that work there are making extra money you know so there's something right in the mouth bro i have no names i'm not a rat that's for sure how many of them are there so we don't have to worry about like one of them so what they do obviously them so i would say honestly uh i met maybe 10 percent of the ceos in there are actually really good guys no that's cool i knew a guy who was uh he worked security at a prison he was a real nice guy but he carried it with him yeah carried it with him all those dudes being trapped and he would go to visit them when he worked there and then leave and go home to his family and be able to drive around he carried with him like there was like a certain amount of sorrow involved in it what do you mean by that because you know he's a prison guard for these folks that don't want to be there you're trapped yeah in this in this environment that you've been sentenced to you have to boom the door shuts and you're locked in and this guy was one of the people that was supposed to be in charge of keeping these people in line you know and they have this relationship you get to know each other yes he talked to the ceo was he a ceo or was he he was some security guard i was a kid i don't i don't know what exactly he was i was 21 or 20 21 at the time and uh you know he would just talk about it
it was hard they say that man they're doing time with you you know that's like that's not those i'm sure some of them are [ __ ] [ __ ] man here's the thing they like i see this like i got to go on the other side of the fence you know what i mean so in my program and my my academy that i had i had a lot of ceos come through my academy had a lot of sheriffs a lot of cops come through my academy you know i always gave him extra [ __ ] like extra help extra this extra so the new york philosophy no but these guys weren't in with me they're at different institutions right so they didn't know that i had not been in the institution yet while i was working with these guys at the time so i have this understanding of what their personality is like what their character is like just from them being in my program right right okay then you take that guy and now you put him in an environment in in his environment yes like he's in our environment so he's a little more humble his character's a little bit different he's getting his ass kicked in the room and then you put him in that environment where now he got a badge he got a billy clinton god or he got it whatever yeah and this guy's different character now he's abusing his power he's [ __ ] with guys and this is where all the problems occur because nobody in there have problem with these cos they don't have a problem with the cops they don't promise they don't have a problem with them they only have a problem with them if they're [ __ ] with them so these cops get in there and they there these seals get in there and some of them train their man i'm gonna tell you right now there's a guy that was in there that [ __ ] with me and i found out he trained at a school locally not not far from our school and i went to visit the school i would go and roll with that that on open mat that day and he see me and he took off but only say this because like if they don't abuse their power the system is not that bad on the inside do you think as a person who's been inside that it is just a natural
inclination that some people have to abuse that kind of supreme power like the kind of power that a security guard has over a guy who is locked up inside a cell in front of them like that's a crazy power you you could open the door you could you keep it locked you know you let him put food or not yet or not or give him a phone or not give him a pho like it's crazy that kind of power over a human being yeah like what a super unnatural environment to force upon people and under the guise of i guess punishment but the idea that you're getting rehabilitated while that's happening there's not there's no rehabilitation in there like the whole programs and everything they're all [ __ ] it's just a bunch of [ __ ] but what do you do i mean how do you know when there's a situation like yours versus a situation where somebody really did rob somebody oh there's a lot of guilty people in there bro you know what i mean like and and some people change some people don't change you know like one of my best friends um richard vasik uh i met in there and um he had done juvenile life for for uh gang killing right so this kid goes into the system this is i'll tie this into when i met him right so what ends up happening is i get transferred from uh level four to a level two and the politics much different this situation much different much safer in a level two okay um but i'm new to all this right oh you them the first day if you got in that's what i want you to tell them the first day because i'm saying like if you don't understand like there's rules and politics and and and if you don't know you'll run into a roadblock you'll you'll get caught up with more time more problems and so explain there's just unwritten rules you know i mean like there's the rules like you can't do this you can't walk through this area you can't say this word you say punk you say [ __ ] you gotta fight if you don't fight then you're a [ __ ] you're a punk everybody's
gonna come take your [ __ ] so if somebody calls you calls you a [ __ ] or a punk is it's just fire and you don't know that fire you don't know that you know and so i didn't know that i used to make it with one of my friends i used to mess around with all my friends right we'd be joking around oh whatever [ __ ] you know yeah it was cool in the streets like that in there it's different it's it's on it's on wow yeah i had that problem like i called my friend oh bro you're being a little [ __ ] like black guys would be like hey cause they still got it from jail they're like hey look at me like check you yeah they'll look at me with that look like you know we've been we we got them codes you know and then and i'm like you know it ain't like i don't you're my [ __ ] brother i don't mean it like that wow it just sticks give me that look for a second yeah he still got it in him so i i originally get picked up in in atlanta right so i get picked up in atlanta i take my atlanta jail i go and then put me in this modular and i go in this module and there's black people all the different races right well over there they don't politic like we do in california right so this is my first understanding of how this system works right so i go in there and the only thing that you can't do in that system is you can't eat at the same table with a different race besides that once you're up from the dinner table i can trade with any race i could do whatever talk to them chop it up but you have to eat with people of your own race so then uh and they tell you this is so somebody informs you oh yeah oh yeah i got informed when i went in when i when i moved from atlanta to california california politics much different you can't trade you can't trade with with blacks you can't trade with others you can't trade with so you can only do trade with your race and then the whites get along with the essays so what ended up happening is like so you have others which are any other race besides mexican white or black and this is a car it's called a car right so everybody has a car their own race so you have woods you have
skinheads you have paisas you got mexicans you got crips bloods and others and the pisces roll with the mexicans the skinheads roll with the woods yeah and if something really pops off some races then the mexicans and the and the whites will click up against the blacks and blacks it's always on them against us it always sucked to be it sucked to be black at them times i'm telling you real [ __ ] but we get we hey but we thunk though we thumped so so we always knock them out you start trying to figure out this [ __ ] you know like you get thrown into that fire trying to figure out all these unwritten rules you know there's no rule book law book come and say hey do this this this this yeah you know so a guy could really direct you in the law the wrong way if he wants to you know i mean like tell you some sideways [ __ ] and next thing you know you're in a wreck so i go in and set you up so i go in um this was actually my second experience my first experience in there but my second experience i go in they put me into a psych ward a psych watch getting extradited from atlanta to here and uh so i go into this area and and i don't know anything you know and this black guy in the psych ward is like yelling in this module you know like anybody want to learn how to play chess anybody want to learn how to play chess you know i was like hell yeah i want to learn how to play chess right so i walk over i sit down with this fool and he starts showing me how to play chess but it's a black guy at a black guy table and i'm a white guy so now i just sat down with this black guy table and all the woods and all the skinheads and they're like now against me oh no no but i didn't know like oh no you had no idea i had no idea oh no right so now no no yeah so thou my cell pops and i go to walk to the shower and i walk past the other cell that pops which is another another skinhead in that in that room and i go walk past his his cell and his smack so now we're fighting wow you know so clean this kid up now they moved me to another module so now this kid put a kite out like oh we got to get this guy so oh fun yeah so i'm moving this other module
at the time the the institution had a lot of skinheads in there and the skinheads were politic hard like if they have numbers then they'll push the politics you know and i looked like a skinhead when i went in there's no hair you know like it's just bald guy going in there you know what i mean so they all start treating me like i'm one of them but i'm not a [ __ ] skinhead so this guy come over and he's trying to get me to hide this little shank in my cell well that's weapons manufacturing carries two more years oh my god that's how people start getting hit you start catching cases more cases when you're only putting two now you're doing ten it just stacks up but go ahead and then there's intimidation factor right so this guy got a big ass swastika tattooed on his face right here tear drops lightning bolts everywhere you know what i mean like this he's lifer you know right so big [ __ ] goes down we end up i end up choking this guy unconscious oh jesus christ drag him out of my cell because he's trying to get me to hold this this [ __ ] yeah myself i can't not not doing this bro and you come in my cell it's on right so now we're fighting take this guy out right choke him out beat him up drag him out hit him with some elbows and now he's leaking so drag his ass out into the little monster do they know you can fight before you're in no no no they have to fit no how long before they figure it out well it turns out traveling it took a minute because most of the fighting goes on in the cellar in a shower you know i mean so when the fight actually broke out in the open when there was i was finding multiple people is what happened and then all the [ __ ] guards watched everybody's watching from their cells you know like this is a different time so this whole incident takes place i beat this guy up take him out of my my cell right now they take him away they move this guy out of the module do they get mad at you no they just come in you know they they don't really care the guard's real [ __ ] they don't give a [ __ ] so you [ __ ]
that dude up is he out cold so does he have a choke do they have to ask him what his story is i don't give a [ __ ] they but they don't they don't ask you they just let you go it's okay like is that punishment i couldn't get on myself for like two weeks oh for two weeks yeah just alone in yourself constantly nothing nothing so what happens is for a certain amount of hours of the day they gotta pop the door and let you into a bigger cell a bigger room you know what i mean so i just couldn't get into the the day room for like two weeks but the crazy [ __ ] of it all is like i'm trying to tell you i'm trying to learn these this system right this new rules so what happens is this kid this guy okay we talk about the cars and the races right so each race has their own car which means there's a key holder the key holder to that car controls the race so they make decisions for the race they can't keep other races out of car wrecks like now we got a feud with the black so we got a feud with the mexicans or whatever they call them car wrecks yeah well if we go get in a fight with them the key holder is the guy that can communicate with the other key holders to the races and trying to delegate it wow yeah and so i didn't had it happen we're gonna get down with the mexicans and then our keys are go and they keys and we're gonna jump we get ready to jump and they and they shake hands all right it ain't going it ain't going and then it go back down so yeah and you're trying to figure all this out so what happened was i beat this fool's ass and now i'm i got the keys oh wow but i can't have the keys because i'm a first termer so first turner's not allowed to have the keys but nobody nobody want to try to take the keys for me so in order for them to take the keys for me they got to fight me to take the keys away from me oh boy so so that kind of changed the dynamics of the room because now i'm able to navigate with these other races and have these conversations with these [ __ ]
ignorant people that don't understand how to how to really talk you know what i mean like how to communicate and and keep things cool they they misunderstand what this guy says or misinterpret what this guy says the next thing you know it's hot for everybody you know and it's just misinterpretations yeah yeah because they're dumb most likely these guys are dumb bro like they're like the congress it made me in some ways are you sitting there listening to these guys you're like these guys really think this [ __ ] like they talk about the dumbest [ __ ] yeah so cities fighting over teams fighting over just the dumbest [ __ ] xboxing playstation and somebody said something wrong and then that escalated into something that was personal yeah left quick so now they take me from there that instant takes place right and we resolve some of that stuff but now these guys are in different modular so now they're putting these kites out to try and get me as i'm going to court so what happens it catch chain with some guys and then we go into these holding tanks all these different holding tanks and you get put in that holding tank with that guy that got a kite that's looking for you and now it's on it's cracking you know what i mean whoa so i'm sitting in my cell i'm getting ready to go to court and there's two huge ass guys and they're in there talking to each other about trying to get me but they don't know that it's me so i'm sitting in there i'm listening to everything that they're trying to do and how they're gonna try and set this [ __ ] up and i'm sitting right in front of them and they don't even realize it's me wow and i'm thinking honestly i'm like these are big [ __ ] i'm thinking they're going to take me out like there's only so much you can do you know what i mean numbers so i make it through that whole process and i catch the chain and when i catch the chain they take you from county to to state and i catch the chain with the same [ __ ] that i got into it with i took the keys
from oh my goodness and this is like he's a like been in the system a long time right so now we catch the chain we go over to donovan rj donovan it's a four yards level four um do you know how that works no level four being the highest level most dangerous criminals yeah the next level is super dome in san diego i mean why'd they bring you to a level four because my charges my charges kidding all that because those charges were so intense they put you in with those people you know yeah holy [ __ ] so when i catch the chain right i go over there i catch the chain and uh this guy's just like [ __ ] kill you i'm gonna kill you like that's we're gonna get you you know and i'm just thinking the whole time like this chain comes off i'm going to rip this guy's ass apart again you know what i mean so i go into reception and we're in a cell block it's like 360 degrees with the gunner all this stuff some deaths and to come check you in and now ourselves like we only we don't get out of our cell now until they intake us right so now i'm in there it's like three months and uh there's this this guy next door we start talking through the vent to each other a little bit you know and uh we're playing chess and [ __ ] like through the little vent to move pieces around [ __ ] and they call me out to the day to the thing talk to the officers and this guy goes i don't know this guy again in the cell next to me right and i walk past his cell and i hear him you know like through the things like hey bro kick that cord over to me i might kick your cord over like that of course right there kick that cord over to me when you're coming by and and i'm like the [ __ ] do you want this cord for you know it was like connected to this fan right so when i come back i kick this cord over and i wasn't gonna do it but i was like [ __ ] it right so i kicked this cord over there and next thing you know
in the night i get this fish come through right like it's a like they make a like a string right with the thing let's swing it out into your cell and take this kite and you can read the information on it or whatever you know so kite it around to everybody and get it to who they needed to get it to right okay so this guy shoots this little sheet kite over to me i open it up as a [ __ ] sack of weed dude right and i'm like i'm like that's why this dude wanted that cord he took that cord and he started a wick so he started a fire and he had a bag of weed so now he's smoking weed and the whole cell is like full of weed bro and he shoots i say bro i can't have this like i try to shoot that [ __ ] back to him he's like he's like nah you got to keep it you get coffee with it you get whatever you need you know and i'm like i'm like oh [ __ ] okay you know so my other selly that was in there he was like i'll take it and i was like [ __ ] yeah take that [ __ ] so i got a bunch of canteen and [ __ ] you know like coffee and stuff for it and uh so this guy like really really was like thankful i did it for him you know like kick this cord so i never seen his face like never seen this guy's face right just hear him talking through the thing and uh so uh the guy i caught the chain with puts this hit on me like they want to try and try and stab me right so it goes around to the other key holders the [ __ ] guy next to me was a key holder for the for the bloods she's a black guy because i kicked that cord over to him he hit me up through the cell he's like hey he says is your name beanie and i was like [ __ ] right i like to go back over to the vent right and i said no he goes like and he goes he goes oh good and i'm like oh good right and i'm like i'm like hey i said that i said what if it was and he goes what is it or not [ __ ] i go well it's not beanie i go it's benny and he goes it's the same [ __ ] i go like okay bro he's like hey i'm gonna let you know they're gonna pop this door and they're
coming for you and i was like really i was like what do you mean he's like they're going to come and get you and this door pops you're going to pop this door and you're going to go to shower and they're going to send some guys to come and get you my other celly he knows already he didn't tell me in order for that to go down they have to tell your selly so your celery can stay out of the [ __ ] way oh wow so he knows about it he's known about it and now he tells me to the wall and now i know he knows about it you know what i mean and i'm living in this room with this guy so door pops my celly takes off running out of the cell so i just poke i just posted up at the back of the cell just waiting you know and sure [ __ ] two guys come flying in one guy flying and trying to stab me and then we're [ __ ] scrapping rapping all over the place fall out of the cell we're up the stairs [ __ ] push the guy down the stairs we fall down the stairs i'm tired as [ __ ] like fighting two guys i'm tired i'm lumped up a little bit and i look over this way and i'm barely breathing look over this way and all the [ __ ] cops just watching they're just watching oh my god so this other guy come over he's kicking kicking kicking i grabbed the other guy drag him on top of me and i'm just choking him you know like trying to use him to deflect this guy from from getting at me right and then realize this guy's out he's not even awake push him off me and now it's just me and this guy and everybody in the cells watching and all the cops watching so just tear this [ __ ] guy's ass up we leave and this guy never got up the guy was choking never got up just eyes full of blood right so they send me to another cell block go in there there for a couple days guard comes in we're going to move you to to the gymnasium so you move me to the gymnasium
so now i'm out of the cell block i'm in a gym with 300 guys can walk around i get yard access all this stuff right and the cop says i really appreciate what you did for us out there he's like that was pretty [ __ ] amazing and i'm just thinking to myself like i want to get the [ __ ] out of here like i i can't be in here like i'm not going to make it out of it you're known to be that guy that's going around oh no seeing your skills i had a similar thing happen to me first day in first weekend and i had to fight this one guy fight that one guy beat the [ __ ] out of them and now they're like oh okay and now you're getting this people are starting to see it right this name it comes with that and now people want you to teach them and different [ __ ] like he's actually was in there working out with guys and teaching guys how to roll you're just trying to survive your time you know what i mean like not let the time do how much time did you have to do i did a little over two years um it was short you know what i mean but in the grand scheme of things it was really long you know like i did 90 days okay and it was the longest time and i never go back to jail and i never ever make those mistakes like and i prefer driving a suspended license i did 90 days i imagine two years like [ __ ] he sent a short time no he was a [ __ ] forever do you have any legal repercussions for like so going back originally to this whole process was when they came in and offered me that deal when i hired that private investigator and we figure out all this stuff that's going on um when they dismis it wasn't it wasn't my judge it was a judge and but it was my da so as my da a judge and my victim at this country club we got on surveillance so when we brought that in as evidence i'm facing the deal they gave me was 10 years with 85 and i mean i served 85 percent of my 10-year sentence
so um the head judge i don't know what he's called comes in and he says look young man this is the deal you're going to get today if you don't sign it we're going to jury selection and it was two years with 85 with a strike and i just said okay you know i took the deal jesus christ took the deal but really what they wanted they wanted him so the 10 years with 85 the 10 years for for 85 when they came to me with another deal the deal was count a year which means i go home because i already did six months so county year is a lid is six months right i go home but i have to give him up and i have to give up my other guy that was with me so if i give them up he gets two years did they give you any indication why they wanted him black guy that was in we want the black guy the african-american from from san bernardino that's what they kept saying and so how do you get out of this so i've been in hiding you know i mean i've been hiding and that's why i wanted him to tell stories so he kind of gets out of it because i don't say [ __ ] yes that's that's it that's it that's it so you stay in and you you would have had to have said something about him being guilty of something no that's what they wanted when you call i wanted to call him and my buddy as witnesses so the pizza guy that showed up and and him and and the other guy were i'm telling my attorney no no no that's not what happened i have witnesses but you're saying they're trying to get you to turn him in yeah because i'm saying i have witnesses right so i'm saying i'm telling my attorney i said hey i have witnesses these guys were there and they said she said no no no she goes that's who they want like you can't like if you do that oh wow we can get a deal but they will charge them with all the same crimes because they were there they were there and they didn't call the police
right so they get charged with all the same [ __ ] i got charged with so if you bring him in as a witness they were going to charge him they will charge him right on the stage oh my goodness oh my goodness so now i have to go yeah i have no witnesses i can't call him and now i'm [ __ ] i either have to give him up or and i can't you just can't do that like he came down there to help me you know what i mean like to look after the situation so wow can't expect him to have to do that time you know jesus christ so one time what a terrible predicament i'm driving on fontana i get pulled over i'm gonna call him bobby green you know yeah a good professional fighter like a talk to the officer is cool you can give him respect and yes sir no sir like okay cool they go back to the car next you know they came back and they had guns drawn bomb they had drunk show me your hands and i was with me and my homie and i like show me your hands show me your hands show me your hands i'm like what and i already knew what they were doing i already knew um because of what the i was trying to talk about tied in they are arguing remember i told you my dad and him are arguing about that laptop i didn't know what was going on the laptop he was looking at the gym and on the gym's website it's a picture of me like this bobby green and i got crosses on my forearms right so i already put it together by somehow god gave it to me and i was like so he's like let me see your hands let me see your hands but he didn't mean it like maybe at the time i had no tattoos nowhere but the crosses on my forearms i peeped it already so i'm showing on my hands and i'm going like this you can't see it across this you don't even know i got tattooed i don't even look like i have tattoos at all without without none of that you know you couldn't see the crosses he's like okay the bobby green we're looking for has crosses on his hands they made they mistake forearm for hand oh jesus that's the only way i didn't get locked up wow
i was i drove off and i was like [ __ ] went back into hiding for a long time again oh i had to fight under ray green yeah i wouldn't bobby green tomorrow [Music] wow it was crazy you know and so we were building up all this momentum this guy's winning this guy's winning i'm winning we've got to become the gym the hot spot in red lens we're kicking it off and he gets locked up you know reuben had just signed uh had a my first student was ripping ufc you didn't reuben durant and uh he fought i think you commentated that fight when he fought uh his first fight against takeo yeah i think so yeah and so reuben was in the ufc i'm kind of getting my way up there aaron's gonna get his way up and we're getting all this momentum is our leader we own five king of cage titles you didn't do nothing wrong it's crazy it's like [ __ ] and so now i'm stuck in a predicament i got to find a new coach i gotta i made a choice now i'm gonna go back to fighting and so i gotta find a new coach i lost my pop i meet this new coach and i tell him hey my loyalties to this man like when he comes back we're going back to what we do but i'll work with you until then and that's where i met my new coach sam mason and i started working on my stand-up where my standard comes from my jujitsu and everything comes from my dad did anybody ever try to discourage that style because your style's super effective but most people will tell you that this hands down approach to fighting is super risky i felt be honest i felt like like you uh daniel cormier like you guys uh i don't want to say hate no i said i don't want to say hey definitely no i don't hate you but no no no no no but not hate but hate on i'm not even hating on you no i'm not talking about style like it's not that they i heard my critics tell me someone like it wouldn't work it doesn't work i don't think there's anything that doesn't work i think there's you guys say it like i don't know why bobby does that because he's trying to like like block with his shoulder and that doesn't work for mma it works for boxing you're the only one
that's pulled it off forever yes yeah you you pull it up but in i i've seen it with you more even lately you're better at it now than you even were before you but you're always good at it i really got with my stand-up instructor when he left and i started to hone those things in you roll very well with punches too you're very good at like catching it like as it's coming at you and getting the shoulders up i really appreciate that but but those are the things that were uh costing me people to understand it but what i was gonna say is it's like there's there's certain guys that can do that and not only do they do that they're elite of the elite right like that hands down approach like michael venom page yeah perfect example he's the elite of the elite and the way that guy moves is like you know good good luck trying to keep up with where these things are coming that's one of my dream fights you know [ __ ] that i mean i've never seen that yeah of all the years of fighting his skull was like a bowl that was crazy i know i know those things that make you like are you sure you want to go fight hurt my heart you sure you want to go fight and when he ko's you it's like a scene in a [ __ ] anime and so people ask me like go ahead go upstairs no i i have a lot of respect for him he's very good you know but he's still raw you know he's very raw he but he has this skill that i always knew was going to be a big deal and that's that point fighting style see the thing about like all these styles is every style has its strengths and every style has its weaknesses but one thing that was missing was the ability to blitz and those karate guys have a blitz yeah like there was these dudes like blanks back in the day stephen thompson has it yes yeah raymond daniels is a perfect example because him and venom page actually had point fighting matches like you could fight i think you find it online there's a point fighting match between that's an elite skill it's an elite field they don't understand that so i didn't understand that until i met my stand-up
instructor and that was one of his main bases was karate yeah right it's the first punch it's about getting that first attack off it's all like bruce lee figured it out about fencing like bruce lee realized with fencing that there's this dart in movement that they got really good at like a really good fencer can cover ground so quickly i took my guys to go train in fencing actually before i went to jail there you go yeah i think that's one of those things like i think there's a few things that like you'd almost be better if you started doing them first let's do these two guys together this is um i mean daniel's what year is it yes this is let's say 2009 that's how long they've been doing this let me see this i don't know i've seen this yes my money's on raymond daniels let's see i don't know they're both elite man they're both in this realm this uh point fighting karate realm it's like that ability to just close the distance and they count it like they're touched yeah that's a touch okay but that's all you have to do yeah yeah yeah that is attacking where i would have would have knocked your ass with that but look at this style this is why it's so weird you don't see this style anywhere else what this style is we've got this sideways stance sideways stance almost always almost always sideways the only problem is when decided stance is that you give that leg up you know yep yep but this this this until like everyone can take something from that yes like there's certain ways of of moving in that these guys have these point fighting guys have that's very deceptive and very hard to deal with and you don't expect from the average person yeah because like if you get used to a certain kind of style that's the thing too right isn't that about sparring and crowded gyms because you can't move that much you know like we see guys on the mat and there's like 15 20 guys sparring next to each other yeah you got to play yeah phone box fighting because if you're with one of these fellas these these leap in karate fellas like you need some space you're all over the map yeah cause like wonder boy we'll he'll step way the f like the tyron woodley fights those two fights are a perfect
example of that just just control the outside way away way away just waiting to do he needs a lot of room to play that and you don't take much damage right right that's the cool that's the key thing about explaining these guys not taking the damage either yeah taking damage where you can keep fighting i mean he's two fight number 45 yeah you know that's crazy yeah yeah to be able to fight and i come out the fight i'm like man i felt great i didn't get too hurt do you think that defense is like the most important aspect of yourself um i think listen um i think it's a bit of heart it's a it's a it's a beautiful combination because why listen you talk about my defense but i set the record for the most punches landed that's totally true so i'm busy because i'm busy so i'm an attacker too but yet i'm a defender so it's a bit of both when you take a fight like the islam fight which is a big opportunity because many people look at him like one of you guys one of the most talented guys in the division i mean he's he's a force right now but i have to say it i mean it's just it's not negative but it's like sure that's a tough decision to make to fight a guy like that without much preparation and that's where it was very gangster of you yeah that's what i said what i did before i did it i'm gonna show you all some g [ __ ] yeah you did you you went in there when a lot of people were avoiding that guy he's right now at the top of the food chain in terms of like top contenders notice like i feel like the results been a lot different if we had a full camp to train and actually get my timing of my wrestling on and i made one mistake and that was it he capitalized and that was it i tried to go for a front choke on him and gave up my hips that was it from there he was able you can't make one mistake with these guys at the highest level one mistake and that's it he's running this game and that's i need to get him more tired i need to give him deeper rounds where he can make more mistakes you know if you had to do it how much time do you need like for a fight like that is that something you need like are there
different styles that you need more prep time for or the different is it just a matter of like getting a solid camp for you uh i just take a solid camp just a second no like for me i need five weeks give me five weeks anybody anybody anybody any five weeks ideal i know you would accept that but what would you want ideally ideally ideally ideally six six weeks seven at the moment at the max that's the matter max um because why you don't want to peek too much no no i got kids brother i get kids and listen i i i learned this from joe stevenson when i fight i don't do anything but fight i don't even see my children i don't do anything but fight you know and and last year i said the record for the most amount of fights is five like in a year for a fighter five i fought four and i passed out making weight for jim miller the fifth so it would have been fifth and so when i'm trying to compete and be that active my kids suffer you know right right my kids questions daddy and daddy don't love you i gotta go through that too you know and i gotta fight with the moms and so that's another thing i got three baby mamas one black one white one mexican in three different places dude you're a little bit a great daddy too so it's a mess brother it's a mess well you know and he's guiding me through this he's like hey you know you need to do this you need to do this fighting child support and and time and you can only be in three places so many times you know why are the most fun fighters the most wild because it's always the race i heard you say that it's always the case the most fun fighters to watch are the the wildest dudes in real life it's like they're willing to take a risk they're more risk takers that's a big part of it right yeah you know i try to explain that to someone about jon jones in the uh opening seconds of the first round against shogun john i think was 22 right as he was when he won the title 22 okay only been fighting ufc for a short amount of time opens the fight with a flying knee on a legend well yeah but a legend you gotta have some balls just balls you gotta
have some balls jamba just makes [ __ ] up in the middle of a fight we just figure out what to do and try some [ __ ] out if you watch his fights like he just has these very dangerous techniques that he uses with his length you know yeah i haven't got that free yet like where i'm working on things in the gym but i haven't like oh my running in the actual camp i'm gonna work the things at work you know i haven't got that free where i'm like hey i really wanted to show y'all what i've really been working on like you guys see me doing with this and what i really work on in the gym is something really nuts you know here it is boom i mean that is so crazy to do opening seconds of the fight at the same time you don't have no fear the takedown well he wasn't afraid of takedowns and also he was very proficient at striking he he was a a he just has like one best fight iqs ever but he's not a good striker but it doesn't matter he's enough he's enough to get on top of you it's his length it's not that he's he knows how to use it well he uses it very well he has it's not like he's a glory kickboxing champion yes but if he wanted to be he could be you think so guys that are that good at mma that [ __ ] dude could do anything he's just got a very specific and lethal style you cannot question the john jones so listen you're trying to say those guys fighting another guy his size length and in reach like uh like a if you had atticus what's his name uh like an alistar or who the guy who'd be alistair for uh the k1 belt you know i mean those strikers i'm saying i forgot what his name is oh hari yeah those guys you're trying to say he's going to beat those guys that's a different level different level but he could be if he started it out when they did he could do okay if he started no no no i'm not saying a guy who gets that good he could be that good at [ __ ] tennis he could be that good at anything he wants jon jones never lost you always have to remember that they took that law that win away from him in the mad hammel fight but he was putting a ferocious beat down on that guy there is in no way that is a loss
and it's one of the dumbest rules ever because it's it's the downward elbow rule which is the dumbest [ __ ] rule it's not even a harder elbow than a regular elbow it's just dumb i've seen people say it's almost like getting stomped and you shouldn't i feel like like wise people who i really respect say that they say it should be illegal i'm like wow i don't want to take individuals i'm not saying that what i'm saying is like in terms of strikers you know like as i got into the striking realm and we really respect striking like a like an izzy guy and stuff like that right um um he uh that's why i don't see it like that i see he's very creative i think it was dope about him like the he created the from the from the uh take down to the elbow up you know yeah those type of things just makes him where you didn't expect that yep yeah he did a lot of that's what makes him so dope i don't think it's more so like he's got a great jab or he's got a one two like he just long legs he can kick you can use those legs and his reach but it's nothing really technical that i feel like that's all i'm saying in terms of that but in terms of his creative your creativity but don't you remember he high kicked dc it's a high kick yeah but he set it up no and it was dc he has his tendencies he's not a striker stop come on big dog that's a big victory you don't think that's a big victory it is but no but it's not like he had kicked [ __ ] i think what's going down right now that's all i'm saying bobby's talking about the style of it all the flow of the fight right right where things are flowing they're smooth i understand is that jon jones you have to look at him as a whole you can't just look at him as a striker because his striking is sometimes a means to get his [ __ ] hands on you and smash you yeah you got to realize he's already fighting and what i'm saying is if he just wanted to be a kickboxer he would have been elite of the elite at that he's what he is is just a fighter so in in fighting form he's arguably one of the greats without doubt yes without doubt without doubt like these either you're he's your number one goat or he's number two it's like yeah
anderson silva in his prime don't forget anderson in his prime yeah anderson in his prime was a [ __ ] dude there was a period of like a few years where anderson was lighting everybody on fire but let's let's let's let's break that down for me um in person um personally um because i'm like a style guy i like to pick for style-wise like when it comes down those goats yeah but style-wise like for me there's another guy that you didn't mention that will begin in those lists is i think dominick cruz to me is a goat yeah but he's definitely a goat and he's definitely a pioneer but entertaining khabib is arguably the goat yeah i was gonna mention him to everybody barely that's why i wouldn't i wouldn't like lick it i would put him more or two or three you know four i'm talking about who did it greatest who did it the best but how do you say that anderson would be the number one anderson did it amazing there we go but how would you say that khabib didn't do it the best when he retires undefeated he destroys everybody barely loses a round i'm i'm not saying that i'm telling my style points style points i love that style that style was smesh that's not exciting you don't think that's exciting to beeps fights towards the end towards the end this is where we're going to get part we're going to disagree here you don't think that the justin fight was entertaining bingo is what he said towards the end but yeah we're going backwards with this from the from the from the connor on right he got exciting oh you don't think that the edson barboza fight was exciting the edson barboza fight was wild because we knew what a good striker edson barboza was we knew how well he prepared for khabib but there was a moment in that fight and you could see the look in his eyes that thousand-yard stare like holy [ __ ] he knew that this this storm is never going to end michael johnson did rush it to him too though he clipped him michael johnson out wrestled him well not in the end right no no i'm talking about barbosa oh oh jesus christ i thought you were talking about michael johnson and
no no no no no no no i mean like you're okay yeah i felt like when we fought edson the playbook had not been exposed yet in his style you know right and in in that fight i wanted him to go wrestle for a couple of weeks up in sac with a buddy of mine a bunch of all american wrestlers in there from iowa you know and and he wanted to go to nate's camp and and do some work over there you know i wanted him to to wrestle this kid put him on his back beat him up and let's go home you know and and i felt like we would really win the fight that way and uh that's not but that's not the style you don't get that like for instance that you guys were or this conversation you guys were having not an argument but conversation you guys are having is he wants to be exciting that's his main objective it's like i need the crowd to go ah right they're not going they're not doing that over that like that and especially like khabib it got later on when he became to be honest i think it was the names that that he was fighting that made it like oh my god he's doing it to conor mcgregor right oh my god he's doing it to justin gaichy oh my god you know like what is he doing to these guys more so than style points when you kick a guy like like detour pow and drop him nobody else did it like that right nobody else was even thinking about that kick until you did it you know we had we didn't have conversations about people being able to chao people with that kick and i was like maybe but it's pretty rare yes i didn't he just didn't want a whole nother place that's what i'm saying is style wise you know uh uh the the different ways like i would give it up to o'connor the way he was putting guys out right the way he was doing that the way he mixed eddie alvarez oh my goodness oh my god points were so that was style points that's what i'm saying i don't see it that way i think that's just my message i think smesh personally i love i love style to you i just i love that everything but the thing i love that style man i really do i love that he can do that i love that he imposes it on everybody and nobody wants to be there and they
all get sucked into it i loved it when i fought islam right i got to miss a picture and i'm like this is like hey he got some style baby oh no that was great but they got to get some style baby i understand you're an artist you know you're you're an artist yeah you're an artist i want to be able to live off this i want to come in yeah but i want to be able to come to watch your fight i don't watch those guys i understand personally just personally um i understand i watched khabib's end and i even put up put a poster saying sorry because i always called you boring now you're exciting well i'm uh i've been big uh islam nut rider i know you are you guys i know you i think he's awesome and we can't today we came to shut that [ __ ] down his style points in the [ __ ] house you're here man you're here because i love the real geezer in the house you're here because i love you but the the the reality is in the real world is like if you're just looking for someone who can win who knows guys like nate guys like like jorge guys guys like justin who actually brings the [ __ ] style and what we want to see what did he want to see would you rather bring i'm here selling the product would you rather bring style or would you rather win listen that's great was it style first hand i've had fights with him out of chokes yeah i'm like no that would have been boring if i went like that why would you do that they had a guy's in chokes in the first minute and a half of the fight and he looked like this and i took barboza on the first kick he threw bam it took him in the ground all right i can do that already now get up and let's do th let's do the dance i'm gonna show everybody else that thought i couldn't strike what's up i'm not scared of you what's up i'm finna get my gangster points and my styles wasn't about winning it was about like testing himself against the best striker
in the ufc ain't about winning like everybody got that boss is the best kicker in the ufc but the thing is like barboza like uh his kicks like especially his switch kick is so fast it doesn't even seem like it's really happening yeah he would throw that switch kick and it was like just like i can't believe how fast that is it was just and like before you see the look on guys faces when he would hit him with it like whoa so after fighting barbosa now i got to fight another guy and we were talking about styles earlier these styles you're breaking down everybody has these styles and i don't like the arts why because they all have holes in them and you got to be able to use pieces of them right to piece your face style so after i fought uh barboza i now fight the new age kicker raphael physique visa yeah you know he's a killer that was a great whatever fight that was a [ __ ] great [ __ ] fight a great and that was a wake-up call to a lot of people about how effective you are against world-class strikers because that was a close-ass fight and i think a lot of people thought physique is this you know he's a trainer tiger muay thai he's nasty i trained with him out there that ko of moicano dude he's [ __ ] nasty and you went pillar to post with him yeah i mean he got his visa for troubles right yeah he had some visas for that's why he couldn't fight right here's some visas or something right visa yeah something's going on you're right that's what i don't like i'm just saying i don't like if you train in thailand i'll be kind of suspect about you because they can get drugs over the counter like like steroids and [ __ ] like that like cough syrup don't you know you saw to visit thailand [ __ ] no files you saw hey i'm not afraid to talk about it well i'm glad you're here then i'll certify and uh and and uh we're getting ready for the the walk out you guys are gonna call us out right right the ufc comes and says hey all right you guys are gonna come up there and you're gonna
take your shirts off you know on the scale and blah blah blah he looked like he saw the police he was like what take our shirt off why did i take my shirt off he didn't want to show that acne back back knee of his you know you know so i'm like oh i caught on to it already and so he didn't take his shirt off i was the only one took my shirt off i'm like oh okay wait how long before the fight is this this is this is the uh the uh weigh-ins that he did that so the day before the fight he's got back now you think you know [ __ ] don't go away why do you think we'd be saying that [ __ ] we noticed that [ __ ] we see it so it's noticeable on fighters that [ __ ] don't go away is that 100 they have pictures of guys and they go right but i can tell you 100 that i know for a fact that that they're all using them how do you know that for a fact [ __ ] watch them buy them how dare you that's what i'm saying like a lot of people cheating one of my kids okay so what happened was we're in thailand we're training i don't play fair and uh what's the other little kid's name just lost peter yan peter young yeah another thailand guy yeah so hold on are you guys thinking that there's a reason why these guys go to thailand is this the allegations [ __ ] those guys really yeah man you don't think that's just go go there for great thai training yeah so so some of that right there's a great recovery there's great tie training don't get me wrong it's a great recovery but there's great recovery they stretch you out they massage you you can do all this stuff in the phuket no you've never forget no i haven't oh you'll love it i've heard it's awesome it's gym crossfit gym gym crossfit gym everybody goes there to get jacked man and then listen what's his name for us for us robbie no no what are you talking about one of my guys get staff over there so i tell them i say hey just go ask the coach you know like where to get we didn't know that they sold all this stuff in the pharmacies like that right so i said hey ask the coach you know if he could get some stuff so he goes over he's like he's like hey you know where i
can get any stuff at and he's like he's like yeah he's like you just go to the pharmacy and he's like he's like okay like he's like what do you want you know he's he's like computer all you want what like he's like naming off all this [ __ ] whoa and i'm like no no we need some [ __ ] for staff bro like that's all we need brother if people are doing that how are they avoiding the the testing i don't know bro you listen you know when you're going to fight did he know how long he's going to fight before and if he's not taking no shirt on his fights hey i'm not saying that that he was on anything with yeah i'm just saying all these guys i'm and listen the the sport muay thai itself it's a it's a a tough man thing you stand there i stand there and we get off you know that is so damaging to the body you know that you need something something to get some of that stuff back you you start doing the shin to shin it's just the breakdown you know like when you're done yeah you need something to keep you strong for that yeah you gotta take some stuff i can understand it right i can understand it the thing is i'm scared of needles i can't do it i'm scared of needles you know so that's kind of my thing why i talk openly about uh drugs and the in the sport and stuff or pds or whatever is because you want to clean this none of my guys i've never had any of my guys ever test for anything possible so do you think that there are specific places that people go because they know usada is not going to go to them and this is why they set up camps overseas i believe so i believe so i believe so wow i believe i never thought of that i thought of it i know about other stuff that happens here yeah that happens actually here with guys that you talk about and and and and glorify as as the baddest of the baddest and you know they're doing something i know for a hundred percent sure i was told and i know the person gave it to him okay but i'm not gonna be a snitch and a rattle mount but listen i know it for a fact okay for a fact so is there a stricter drug protocol in order should they figure out what's going on this is simple what is it you test
positive for steroids lifetime ban yeah but what if somebody taints someone [ __ ] the problem is people are those [ __ ] saboteurs i'm not saying that that is definitely happening a lot but i'm saying it can happen if i know that bobby green can get suspended for life and i think bobby's an [ __ ] and i decide just to be funny to put some steroids in bobby green's yogurt oh yes people can do that man there's a lot of [ __ ] out there that would do something like that for sure i mean i'm not saying i'm not saying that that's even going to happen a lot of steroids would you say the system no yeah no it doesn't no no no there's some stuff that can they can catch you for it any time people are young see they are they're they're visiting him listen stop it you don't think they're visiting him it's at tiger muay thai they're visiting him right tiger got a lot of money wow okay now you're this is a baseless conspiracy no no no no no i'm not going here i'm not going there i can't consistently do it i'm just saying no no no no no understanding this it's very uh it's very easy to access those things out there um when you put that type of stress on your body you need certain things to keep you going in that and those aspects and that's what it's just what it is you know well until they get caught until they get caught it's a conspiracy okay if guys like tj can do it and he's here and he gets tested all the time yeah but he didn't do it he got busted that's how many fights he's talking about i don't know that's what i'm doing that's what we're saying is my question we don't really know what if anything he had done before we do know that that was an extraordinary moment because he was trying to make 120 you know this though we do know this [ __ ] what's his name what's the other body said it and put him out there he said tj showed us how to do this [ __ ] a long time before he got caught that's that's hearsay oh yeah oh yeah it truly is it's hard to say documented so what's
your [ __ ] minute what's your feeling on that how do you how do you clean that area of the fight game up well i think it is a real problem right and i think what is allowed what's not allowed is a real problem like we have to figure out what what seems fair and what also seems foolish to ignore like what if they came along and said no more ice baths you know the the anti-inflammation effect is akin to taking a drug and it's too potent no more saunas because you're raising up your heat shock proteins and show the reduced inflammation it seems to be cheating because some people don't have access to saunas because if you say some that's like there's a real argument in certain levels of performance enhancements you get from a lot of like standardly used things yes yes so it's like i agree then you get to steroids and you jack that up way higher like we all agree there's a lot of stuff you can do that'll help you but steroids changes definitely right and then especially if you like there's like we were talking about the early eras the the wild last of the early stages right but people this is my point they were on [ __ ] everything yeah there was a lot of people that were yes that were bad [ __ ] and they were on everything so it was a different world then yeah especially even ensign anyway told me that in capital letters it says in his pride contract we do not test for steroids like do it like this like this i'll tell you funny story hey we don't even test i'll tell you funny story so we're in uh when osada first first came in right and we started handling all these meetings you know with usada and they're telling us the program and how it's all going to lay out and all this stuff right and it was all very new you know so we we go in and they're like oh all the coaches have to be at this specific meeting this time and other coaches at this time right so they're setting up these things introducing us to all the all the rules and uh there's a group of coaches and teams that are waiting to come into the room after we're done right and everybody's like saying oh this is crazy all this new soda stuff you know and i see this team very famous team of coaches
sitting on this bench and they're listening to everybody as they're coming out right and so i just tap my guy and i'm like i'm like hey man this is [ __ ] wild man and he's like he's like what do you mean i said i can't believe they're going to test coaches too like this and all three of these [ __ ] on the bench like this look at each other ah you guys busted do you remember when uh anderson silva they uh there was something he uh tested positive for and then they got a photo of his coach does he ever see what anderson's coach looks like he's like one of the most he looks jacked oh yeah humans he looks like a superhero but that's back to my point though is anderson is we consider a muay thai striker yeah and those things are damaging on the bones of course we're gonna need some he he broke his leg against chris whiteman he needed to come back he got money he got bills to pay yeah pop them [ __ ] steroids [ __ ] you mean you know what's interesting it's like watching him box against julio cesar chavez jr i'm like my god we're looking at a man who's in his forties like how good would he have been he's amazing how good would he have been as a boxer if he was in his twenties if he just went straight into boxing anderson was okay okay so that's why anderson's like number one do you see him when he fought uh tavis style points i know that's style you see how he styled on him yes he's he made him look like you don't even belong with me why would he knocked out tito ortiz like jesus like anderson can [ __ ] box like really i know you see him i see him stand next to him chelsea man tito faked it chelsea he's important because he's a legit guy he was like a jet fighter who figured it out a funny dude yeah figured out how to promote was the one of the best ever promoting because he was it was straight pro wrestling like he would win a fight anderson silva you absolutely suck and he was like look around like he was doing pro wrestling promotion yeah it was pretty awesome joe let me ask you
this how do you feel about the new [ __ ] with the uh with the ufc uh giving out crypto i don't know how i feel about that but one thing i do want to say if anybody i want to say this one more thing about um shale go back and back and watch chael versus nate nate marquardt when nate marquart was in his prime when nate markhart was destroyed i saw him in front of him yeah he knocked out damien meyer with one punch in the ufc like tyrone williams oh yeah and the tywin woodley ko was like a video game like a video upcoming was way better he was nasty in strikeforce i think you're right i think you got to steve i think every fighter has a certain amount of holes that that can get punched in his ticket yeah and then after a while fighters just don't that's why i go back that's why i go back to to defense yeah karate bass is taking that damage nate markhart was a goddamn assassin son and man handled him chill man handled him that was when we got to see how good of a wrestler that's what i tried now yeah i have my money on jail beating anderson and then he got tapped you're not the last the last man that's the craziest [ __ ] of all time that was probably awesome that is the craziest [ __ ] of all time that he got tapped there like wow in a fight that he 100 would have won if he just danced around and didn't even engage for three minutes yeah yes yes what year what round was it that he got tapped was it the fifth and it was how many minutes 34 seconds or something left or something i thought it was a minute left something like that it was close i think you're right i think you're right i think it was like somewhere in the minute range yeah jesus christ tail spidey oh my god um she was almost the champ and he was almost a champion of the w easy too and polio filio um he didn't make weight another the second one yeah and when he didn't make weight for the second one so it was no title and so chael won the decision but didn't win the title right is that absolutely love uncle chill you know i love that guy too and and the only problem is that is that he has he he painted a little bit with stairway stuff too dude he's
hilarious about it but like you come out openly start talking about it like that everybody else kind of shuts up about it yeah that's where at least like i'm so torn about it like because i'm like this uh uh warrior for for for drug you know clean do you think that that's why why maybe he didn't achieve those moments who knows man i mean i think a lot of people are on something at one point in time a lot of people and as usada came along it definitely tightened things up we saw those physiques shrink yeah we saw a lot of physique lower weight classes right but i think there was three factors and one of the first factors was when they stopped trt replacement because at that point yeah what are we doing with just letting you take as much as this you want to find the youth bro these are looking younger his hair starts going back [ __ ] was like werewolf levels his hair was growing starts preaching to us oh yeah preaching all kinds of crazy like you got to do things right he was a big brother in me we're in the hot tub and he's telling me like you know like because i was playing rap music yeah and he felt like it was like bad you know in the disrespectful you know sauna yeah yeah so we're just sitting there and then his team came and he's like you play that music oh jesus don't play that music it's bad you know like just jesus you know and i believe in jesus too so when he had his whole allegation i'm like hey when you put dirt on people yeah i don't know he tested positive after that fight yeah yeah and i'm like like how can you preach like that and then behind the screen you're welcome people yeah because you can [ __ ] these people's lives up that's the whole i think about dog cheating cody cody's awesome guy goldberg garber garbage he's a [ __ ] cool dude man and you think about it his climb to get there was very tough you know yes to have those epic fights with tj and then not get his win bonus yep not get sponsorship money now yep and tj take that [ __ ] from him
the wrong way but do you think okay so that wasn't a fight where he tested positive though but but we i'm saying he's speculating on the on the right things that listen i know what you do that were on the wrestling team with tj in college wrestled with him in college and this has been an ongoing thing since college well this is just the big accusation show oh [ __ ] yeah call it what you would ever call it conspiracy theories one of my best friends ran in the olympics right he's a traveler they said best they're all on steroids i have a painting of that my big dog tell me this bro make us a painting in that that's a dope they told me all this [ __ ] before he was even before he fought connor and all this so he'd be yeah like bro he's a [ __ ] genius he predicted all this [ __ ] it's crazy like he was trying to tell me the ins and outs the dudes that don't how everything is don't be like this everybody be doing this [ __ ] yeah they'd be doing this and they do this i'm like what yeah and then you start seeing it surely there's got to be some people that are on steroids like b.j penn i think he was clean man he's my one of my favorites of all time i think he was coming towards the entire career he's the only he's the only ufc fighter that was a clean u.s fighter ufc champion somebody told me i'm like what i don't know because i looked at that that doesn't sound like that makes any sense that blew my i broke my heart and he broke down every fighter that that i was like well what about how does he know what how does he know how does he know because he's in that realm those guys that they do this and when this does this you know like faking uh a certain steroid has a certain side effect it builds your nipples up you know like one of them gets those nipple things you know and you got to take the car the calcium out your uh yeah out of your nose mastica right yeah different things that guys do we know the recognized signs so what did you say the cartilage out of your nipple calcium oh calcium is that what it is
like no they're glands they're lymph glands i'm not sure don't don't quote me on that i'm not exactly sure but this way someone's breaking this all down to me as oh he told me every fighter i'm like no not george saint pierre that's my guy like jordan has always been clean he's like i have speculations that he has from this from this and this is for nothing you know yeah and he hasn't just understand he said that that's that's anyone's gonna hate they would hate on everybody the most natural of guys they would think mark hunts on steroids people hate on people they make stuff up yeah i agree i agree there's always a lot of that and so but it just when he did that i'm not saying i believed it but i just started to i didn't say that that's something i'm going off i'm saying that's something i just looked at like hmm it's kind of interesting then nate told me some things and it was kind of interesting and then i started to actually come upon the facts where i know certain people in the industry that helped these guys do these things and uh oh yeah he's like yeah he came in here he was this much he gave him this i don't know what so what do these guys do if usada shows up they got fake dicks they got fake dicks you tell me some dudes with the boys and natives if i would imagine i would imagine it's probably pretty easy to figure out who's all tested i don't [ __ ] know what these guys doing and listen i'm not a drug guy i don't i'm not trying to find out what how to break the rules i don't know i'm not saying that i wish i had like how are they getting away with it i wish i could i wish i knew the password i'm saying the million dollar question it seems like that sounds like if someone was doing that yeah if someone's doing that all the time it seems like they would get busted today you would think so yeah you think so but listen i've been so what kind of stuff this is okay okay joe i'm keeping 100 with you please i've been i've been i've been eight like uh what's her name i've been eight months without being tested you can't tell me i couldn't be known [ __ ] yeah but you couldn't because
what if you decided to take something today and they popped up for me yeah that that's always the possibility but they're risking that too for millions of dollars now you you called them millions of dollars they come all the time it's gonna come now they come out come out here and check this in the morning come check this you know and if i'm gonna say if i'm gonna be this way i'm gonna say this i gotta stand on it right and so like uh what's her name she was a russian fighter she's like listen i've been from here from and she trained in thailand too i'm from romania i was in thailand they haven't tested me in the whole year oh you know i'm like but the idea is that if you have a big fight coming up they could yeah you know they could just show up especially if you haven't spent like they didn't get it feeling like on a big card let's give them a chance let's test them that's why they didn't get tested there's what they didn't get done they didn't get tested i'm sure oh at all didn't just come no so they didn't test you the entire camp yes wow so how come some guys have like cody has like a 50 jacket like people are like oh yeah i'm trying to get my jacket jacket i asked him that i'm like where's my jacket at i want my little and my little sticker and my little i want all that here's the problem with that jacket if you're not testing anybody uniformly like you give people the opportunity to get one of those jackets yeah if they're not testing you at all and they're testing some dude 50 times he's getting all the why is he getting a jacket yeah just like because you persecuted him he was a clean athlete are you giving them a nice little candy and now they can walk around and say they're i hear that they're doing something new too like i want to say like like to give it necklaces or something like that now oh boy they give you something new but yeah so what do you think about the the uh the the new i guess it's the fan bonus did i heard some news about that it's like i don't know about this he's gonna
be giving uh 50 to implement marks vote no it's not it's not the same thing no ufc to implement fan voted bitcom yeah they're giving bitcoin away we paid in bitcoin bitcoin it will be sponsored by crypto.com ufc's cryptocurrency partner the winner will get thirty thousand dollars u.s dolla thirty thousand dollars us dollars in bitcoin second place gets twenty thousand dollars in bitcoin third place gets ten thousand interesting that's dope yeah so they're giving away cryptocurrency yeah i'm like this is interesting so now we're getting into this crypto market and the fact that they're doing it as a bonus is nice yeah i like that and then fans can decide on it right i think it should be like but how do you do that if you have like a gilbert burns uh hamza chamaya fight how do you not give both of those guys a bonus for that like dana did yeah dana gave him gilbert thank god they are yeah because in that situation like i'll say so like the fan bonus like how do the fans vote there they should be able to vote in a certain situation if enough people say yes they should be able to vote for give it to two people you know because it's not just one yeah it should be given to both fighters they're both fighters were exempted do you think it's going to be a bonus that they only give one fight or two it shouldn't be it definitely should be both guys it shouldn't go to just hamzad after the performance that gilbert put in i mean that was an amazing performance no i'm talking about this face around with that right hand i'm like holy hamza has a [ __ ] chin man because gilbert cracked him i still gotta go home and study it oh my goodness what a fight what a fight and i'm hearing about it you know and this is the true test for for jeremiah to really get an eye on him and see how good are you kid you know the real deal landed more strikes gilbert posted it on his instagram like the numbers the breakdowns and the numbers which you know obviously doesn't mean everything because like a person could land because i think someone could land many grazing shots and if someone
plants you with one that one counts way more yeah you know so if someone's in the judge's eyes that's what i'm saying that's where i'm trying to get to is how do you see fighting that's where we have an issue with judging yeah is it but it's so subjective but that's the point some people think a takedown is everything yeah some people think a takedown only means something if you do damage yeah you just if the guy gets back up and you took him down that's something but you haven't inhibited him at all all you've done is taken him down yeah you haven't like heard him yeah like if so because that happens often times where you see a takedown and then it's just a positional scramble and then the person gets up to their feet and no exchanges no no strikes but he wins around for that which i think it should be worth something if you do damage something if you threaten for a submission but then less of a thing if nothing happens exactly no ground and pound at all yeah and i think that's where it's subjective because i think we can decide you know what is more most effective is the guy backing up and catching the counter shots more effective or is it you coming forward coming forward and being aggressive because that's the other thing like people say like oh the aggressor should be awarded more points like always because maybe that guy's just making it stupid yeah he's making a tactical error the the guy who avoids that error should be rewarded this is this is right this is a good conversation between people that understand that i think the problem that we have is our judges are not educated oh i don't think that's true i think a lot of them are educated i think a lot of them train yes i do and a lot of them have old backgrounds and martial arts and yeah i do i just don't i don't know how many great ones there are i think it's a hard [ __ ] job it's like hardest job fighter second second hardest job referee third hardest job judge that's what i think so yeah because you're [ __ ] you're putting a guy's career you're you're putting it out there like the john sterling fight for instance
very close fight you look at it you go wow how do you score this you know for sure yawn the uh fourth and fifth it looked like he won those two championship rounds but damn we got to see that i mean we got to see some phenomenal grappling yeah i mean we got to see al germain put on a [ __ ] back clinic a back-taking clinic and holding i mean that's against a guy who trained to avoid his back that's all i mean al germain is the backpack everybody knows he's a master at the rear naked choke so he's avoid that's what he's wanting to avoid and he gets there anywhere and once he gets there he can't get free the entire world he didn't have a he didn't have a an escape for the body lock but that's true but also the entire round he's just defending against being strangled like almost the entire round that's worth a lot the idea that that's a 10-9 is to me crazy yeah yeah okay crazy so fan bonuses previous fan bonuses uh hamza chameyev uh volkanovsky and uh peorian volkanovsky you want to talk about a dude that's another level he was there holy [ __ ] we trained with him peter and and the other guy in thailand at tiger and this kid this kid uh volkanovsky was [ __ ] cool he was like the only cool one out of that hole very cool very cool and my god worked his ass off too he was a hard worker god is he good yeah he's so goddamn good this weekend i was stunned i was stunned watching that performance because i knew you know everybody knows korean zombies tough everybody knows that volkanovsky is uh vicious vicious he's fantastic at ground and pound vicious striking but all that [ __ ] was on a totally different level saturday night like all of his footwork and movement his ability to avoid counters his timing it was so precise well the fights with max man you know what i mean yeah you gather so much knowledge and fights like that you know what i mean i think he's even better now i mean i think he gets better every time we see him and i think that was the best version of him by far and not that all the other versions weren't super impressive too he's just even better than he was before i mean
that was a [ __ ] master class that was a master class and hitting someone and not getting hit yeah and just imposing your will that that's that's what we try this is incredible yeah that's the fan bonuses yeah so yeah so that was these past times so say bitcoin goes up or down that will well that 30 g's it will change i don't know that's a good question no because it's 7 000. he's like a millionaire tomorrow if you just squire regular it might no but it's a 10 000 of a bitcoin ten dollars ten thousand dollars worth of bitcoin yeah so no matter what it'll always be ten thousand that's that way that's how i read it oh that's dark so then that means you have us currency has infected bitcoin bitcoin oh it will when they huge man did they start printing more dollars bitcoin like don't even start with this bitcoin he's a big bitcoin avid advocate you know i love it and then you got this ethereum stuff coming in yeah all that and i'm so confused i don't know anything about any like like it's still new and i don't it's a bunch of numbers so it's hard for me to trust they offer you this fight with islam they offer it to you on short amount of notice you take this fight like do they when they do something like that did they say to you like hey we really appreciate you doing this like i know this is kind of a crazy thing to ask for so if you do this we'll uh we'll hook you up next time um do you guys have those kind of conversations i wish i feel like um i just do what i'm told my manager does all the talking do you just rather not think about it and just concentrate on the training and the fighting i let them like yeah i don't like i don't really like i'll hit sean up every once in a while and just send him some good love hey dana absolutely some love but i don't ever talk business or anything like that that's the manager's stuff that's good good for you man good for you get on their bad side or anything like that well that's also going to hit me up about it and i'm like like [ __ ] jason i just got out of a fight my hands were still swollen i got some knots from checking kicks and you want me to go get her and how many days
yeah you've been removed from your last fight three or four so it was three or four days out from your last fight then you get this this phone call yeah yeah because it's two weeks two weeks total right so what is your thoughts are you thinking at this point in time this isn't wise and that you know i just it's too much to ask you just kind of had a fight and got banged up but also there's an amazing opportunity like how do you decide how do i decide this is um how i decide this is like one i felt like all right i got two different pathways one is you can do this and it's all the bad says it's gonna be an embarrassment okay all right i know what's coming because you're throwing this [ __ ] together you're not prepared you're still [ __ ] up you're barely you're out of shape you need to get the weight down and you only got someone i realize all things are coming with this right right like just a media loan for a main event show is [ __ ] nuts joe i didn't know that like how much more is it like what do you have okay so for instance i pulled up to the gym sam had been calling me and telling me like yeah these guys are calling about doing this but he didn't like you know that hey it's like they're they're very invasive very invasive so i pull up and they're already cameras on me and i'm like what's going on like and like had i known i would have came in my good car okay and my beat up car did i use her gas you know i'm like we were filming now what do you guys film me like i didn't know i'm not ready like my hair's not cut like what the no they don't care just we're just filming filming you know they want to get in your car and ride everywhere around with you you can't go no food without them they want to watch you cook they want to i'm just like what and i don't i'm not used to this i don't know what's going on and you don't have a yes or a no you can't say i'm trying to play with the show i'm trying to do well right but right and so i hear guys like nate tell them the [ __ ] up and i can see why because why it gets it gets to hire something gets it gets and so
that's just one piece two did do they interrupt me training do they interrupt yourself all the time all the time like turn the music can you turn the music down turn it off can you do some shadow boxing for us can you do that oh no can you do specific activities yeah yeah they're gonna ask you to do this what the [ __ ] is that but we don't want to interrupt but we don't want to interrupt your training they say that but you're all right so in the middle of the training they ask you to do specific kinds of exercises that aren't on your program yes for little things that they need little bits and stuff that they're there you know like that's crazy like that should be afterwards like you can't interrupt the actual training session for the most point it usually is but are they engaging with you while you're actually training and talking talking to you oh no they'll sit back no watch unless you do your thing they'll let you do anything from the most point but it's just like so how are they asking you to shadowbox and stuff then they're asking me to shadowbox and stuff just oh but we don't want to stop you like they'll stop can we get some can we get a little bit of this for him here we need these things you know and kind of explain what they're trying to do and i'm like all right yeah we'll get to that we'll get to that you know we finish this stuff up we finish this then we give them what they need but but it's just it's part of the game but could you imagine them doing that to any other professional athlete could you imagine is this funny like like but see does that happen to floyd mayweather do you think no i think there's i think there's different uh different different levels yeah so you gotta accept it for the just the promotional level this is you know like embedded yeah you want to you want emotion yeah you want to get your promotion you want to put your stuff out so you have to accept it yeah you just deal with the intrusion but they should just stay the [ __ ] out of your training like film would you film but don't say shadowbox privacy you know like me and my coach are doing game planning but that i know
but that's crazy they do that when we go in the back like we're getting ready to come out to fight and the cameras are coming hey can you guys do this and do this dude oh my god that's crazy yeah a lot of you can't [ __ ] with the preparation you can't mix the preparation in with theater well you get his mind in it than the right man the show but the show has to go on they need this for the show yeah but they needed the show no no no no no you need to organically catch people hitting pads you know so have someone in there that's filming that can catch you kicking pads and stays out of the way and then you you've got footage and then you have someone cut that footage it'll be like whatever you want to be doing sparring today and they'll were like oh well aren't you doing some like strength conditioning can you do can you do some runs or i'm like no that's not until tomorrow we do those about well can you like just run and do this for us oh my god like today's not striking day well can you yeah that's my point it's like that alone is a problem because some no one should be talking to you you if you're getting ready for a big fight your head should be entirely screwed into that not other people telling you and i know it's only one day but it doesn't matter if it's like not just one day i was there there a lot yeah the whole the whole the whole thing and doing that all the time yes talking to you listen my coaches like my other coach sam he's a really nice guy but he started getting irritated you know like my god like you could see it and sam is not confrontational but you just read it because i know him i can read his energy he just like and i asked him a question and he didn't answer the question like for instance where are you guys going next he doesn't want to go and he doesn't want you guys to film but so he'll be like oh we're not going to be doing anything but then they went around and they asked me oh my god and didn't tell me they asked him so i'm like oh stamina tell you we're going to oh we're going to oh yeah can we come along oh yeah but uh yeah yeah and that you don't say i'm like so you can say no
they say you can say no but it's just weird you can say no but it's like uh we need our footage and make you feel like well you're not giving us the footage we need this right and then you can't complain about not being promoted and then if it's not good right because that's a thing too right we want it again it's not good enough we need it again you know like it's [ __ ] like that like one time i was so tired so i had a bad mood i shot a terrible ass interview i was just like you know so then and like that was [ __ ] like can you do a whole hour again remember that one time holloway gave an interview and it was so odd that they didn't want him to fight no yeah yeah he had the same thing i had where his eyes looked funny everybody's looking are you okay he's like yeah tired one of my eyes was doing the same thing it was like i was cutting a lot of weight i'm doing all this stuff detoxing you know everything's happening at once and one of my eyes i kept saying why is my eye stuck like this like it was like one was stuck like i looked like weird max had something going on i don't remember what it was but it all cleared up whatever it was max had something going on and and he was trying to make weight so they were concerned that he sounded odd and we never figured out what happened what it was same thing happened with me i don't know what it happened but my my kidneys shut down my lungs one of my lungs collapsed oh you know christ i failed making weight so it's the weight cut thing again i think that would give max too because i think that was a short notice fight for him to do that you know what i think it is to be honest with you is they have these influences he was fighting at 55 for that fight i remember that he was fighting right for yeah he was down there and he had no idea that he was going to fight tony had fallen uh tripped on some wires and and and tore his knee apart and so he had to take that fight on super duper short notice i wonder if that was it though i feel like it was another same thing for me i had the final two weeks notice but i
don't think that was connected i don't think now we never but never said i think we're no no i think we're confusing stories yeah yeah because i think there was one which was the uh new york state athletic commission i believe looked at him i think he had it twice yeah i think this was one where the new york state athletic commission looked at him cutting the way and they're like we're going to stop you right here and he was like i can still do this and they were like no we're going to stop your weight cut and then the other one was an interview that he did where he was talking and someone or he was talking to someone and they they felt like he seems too tired like he seemed like really tired yeah and they they were trying to figure out what was wrong with him but they attributed to like him being jet lagged or something else but then since then had some of his finest performances like the calvin keator fight so whatever it was it went away it went away like same with me they don't know exactly what it is right is that the case probably hydration that's what i believe it is just when you take these short notice and you have to put those things together what it does your body have to cut that weight those volkanovsky fights were wild i was so bummed out of the i mean i wanted to see that third fight i wanted to see how that plays out because uh max has never looked better and then volkanovsky on saturday night has never looked better yeah i mean that's the fight that's the next fight i hope i hope they do that it's [ __ ] crazy match-up but then cejudo's talking about coming out of retirement so if he comes back say he's going to get back into the testing pool how long does he have to be in it before they let him in max holloway i have no idea so let's hear it let's hear what it sounds like because maybe they exaggerated yeah you give me with the with this emoji all right his eye yeah that's what i give the answer anyway listen on to the fight brian ortega is this the biggest challenge to your title or what for sure you know the next fight is always the biggest fight and who's eyes ortega is the next guy up you know he
got a great team he got uh he's a great guy great team behind him and that's why he's here in front of me so i you know i can't wait to get back there and this kid's good i don't think this seems like there's anything wrong with him i'm not trying to start anything here max but you know it seems like ortega is getting a lot of shine obviously a lot of people are excited about defeated fighters no they said i think you seem tired yeah yeah yeah watch leading up to this fight ah it is what it is you know this goes on that segment um and i feel great man you know it's good you know it's getting this fight is getting a lot of hype and i couldn't ask for more you know i was talking to dc and uh people were saying dc that uh that these numbers is going to be high you know like i said with the khabib fight yeah all right we was uh record record uh breaking uh dana white was saying that uh ufc 205 was on his eyes well max you say you feel great listen and you know don't be offended when i say this but you look like you just got out of bed are you tired what's going on how's it going you know you drained i mean you you look a little sleepy ah i'm good man i'm good a little bit tight they gotta be doing a bunch of media watching me i'll be fine man i can't wait i can't wait to go right then do it good to know as i say no offense but you just look like you know you're ready to fall asleep on my eyes he's like how did you measure trying to cut weight yeah but he's in the middle of cutting away like that's unfair yeah that's right man that's the hardest on that yeah it's like these guys start how can someone look at him based on that and say yeah we're gonna pull you from the fight how about stop the weight cutting so yeah so yeah you know how about cut stop all weight cutting let's yeah if anybody wanted to do anything to make mma better i mean more weight classes less weight cutting you're asking about the media yeah i woke up at nine i didn't get done with media until maybe three o'clock oh my god that's crazy yeah and then you have to train after that yes so do you i didn't have enough time to really drink water like
that because it was interview after interview after interview after interview you're not hydrating you're not anything all these little things that you have to take into consideration when you're doing the main events here's this statement mac's team and ufc staff noticed max was not normal since late last week this became obvious to many watching his interviews and public appearances the the past few days he was showing concussion-like symptoms before he even started the weight cut and was rushed to the er on monday where they admitted him overnight initial scans seemed okay but he was released tuesday afternoon but symptoms still continued max fought with his team to continue the fight he showed some improvement over the next day but was still showing obvious symptoms after open workouts he crashed and was very hard to wake up when he did he had flashing vision and slurred speech he's now back in the er for further tests okay so he must have had a concussion probably maybe probably got it in camp i thought i thought it was two different things this was the same day that interview was posted too and this is the same day this is the khabib fight and so this is how he got pulled from it that's when he's fighting at the 55 right so he it wasn't just that he was cutting weight it seems like it was way more complicated so that was the the narrative though that was that they stopped his weight cut yes that seems way worse right well it's like i mean there's no getting around head trauma in mma it's just it's a part of the game it is 100 a part of the game a guy like max holloway who's such a good boxer how do you get to be a good boxer you do a lot of [ __ ] sparring yes that's part of it look how good sean strickland is and one of the reasons why is he spars a lot uh sean i grew up with sean did you really yes we were all famous he started training with me at my academy at my instructor's academy when he was like 12 i think they're going to do him who who is he fighting next i can't remember right off here i heard they were trying to do polycosta no it's
somebody else pretty sure it's somebody else he keeps him but they don't want you to fight you don't want me to fight you alex pereira yeah yeah yeah that's alex pereira yes i just remember right i'm right yes it's alex that's the [ __ ] fight yeah ufc finalizing middleweight bout between sean strickland alex pereira and july that's a good [ __ ] fight right there strickland he has a very interesting way of finding people's faces he's he's a very good striker from yeah he got it from bobby green who you think he got it he got it from understood okay taking the ground game his ground game was always he was always a sick ground game yeah but my coach would make me go over there to go train with him when he was over there and we would go at it you know and i beat at the [ __ ] out of him but i'm a 55er yeah and he's an 85er well he was 70 at one point in time right he dropped down the 70s and then he went back up to 85 but he was originally 85. um oh he originally started yeah and so then he was at that academy and he left and went to millennia so when he went to millennia he sean's a [ __ ] [ __ ] okay he's a [ __ ] [ __ ] you've seen the sport his sparring footage yes come on he wasn't like that at first but he's he wasn't like the buddy but he's a he's a very aggressive person i told you fighting your personality comes out right so if you do something to sean that makes him feel he's going to be a dirty bag he's going to be dirty or mean so back when i'm king of the cage champion i'm kind of he's kind of still coming up himself i'm working with them one time we're with them and this is for the volkman fight this was the volkman fight yeah yeah um so i'm working out with them uh in between rounds i'm going whoa wow hyped myself up right john takes that as disrespect oh you disrespect me in my gym you know he comes at me like some crazy maniac where we're stepping off the mat he had like this cage over like but the way the cage is built is it's a door it's locked up
all these ways but the door is here so we kind of went off the door he's chasing me off the door one time we bumped into his coach and i go oh my bad i wasn't doing that sean cracked his ass cracked me give me a concussion yep really yeah a few weeks before the vocals that's what said i i said he got tough just from not just from me but other people so then when he left there uh we came to he came to another gym millennia and now since he's an [ __ ] none of the white fighters he's been kicked out they don't want to fight with him he he's going to go hard so only the black guys want to fight with them only the black guys me lorenz larkin there's another guy named uh uh uh johnny bravo uh johnny bravo's in the ufc these are all my big homies they're all bigger than me we all spar together i'm the 55er they're heavyweights they're tool fivers they're lorenz was a 205 when i fought with him y'all know if you're familiar with learning darkness oh yeah absolutely and then he came down 85. with neil magne it's one of the most interesting like he does a lot of really interesting [ __ ] he does an oblique kick to the gut you know that yeah he does all things off to the side and hit you right he's really good at that kick against magnet he used it like multiple times i was like whoa that's hard that's hard to find level very high level and so i used to get my ass kicked every day by him lorraine that's how i learned how to fight was that he kicked the [ __ ] out of this leg to it couldn't use this one did he kick the [ __ ] out of this one i'd go home i'd be like coach look excuse me the way i met lorenz and that coach is once he went to jail i didn't have a coach anymore so i'm like go back to the mexican guys i'm in their gym and i'm like i'm gonna come back and work with you guys and as i'm talking to them they go hey he comes in he's looking for the best wrestler around so bobby green's the
best wrestler so lorenz is this heavyweight i take him down work him you know so from there his coach wants me to start coming in to their gym and start working the wrestling so he's a striker i'm trying to work the wrestling and getting down understanding wrestling how to work defense blah blah blah right that's how i end up meeting my striking coach but then from there i'm like hey can i come can i join the team because my coach is gone right can i join the team yeah well we gotta work it out and then i ended up joining and working with lorenz larkin i got my striking really good from getting beat up every day then lorenz left there sean leaves there they're now at melania and i go up there from time to time and work with my guys you know and john got good from working with those guys lorenz larkins bobby green joe makes sense yeah so he he's like he's to say like none of the other guys want to go with me he's saying he's like you guys i'm like what do you mean you guys you just say it you're black guys he's right now like he's a [ __ ] gnarly guy at the top of the division he is you know he's get up he's up there that fight is a really interesting fight because pereira will oblige him in the stand up yeah it's going to be like what how does he choose to fight this i think he needs i would like to see and he's a good ground guy he's got a great ground that he's that he's shied away from i think that happens to fighters as we uh go through this transition of being cloud proud crowd pleasers like like for instance justin gaichi's started out wrestling and he realized the energy it takes for one but two he's having so much more people and the excitement behind the stand up aspect of it you know he became a big time crowd pleaser crowd pleaser yeah sean wants to be a crowd breezer even after he le he won that last fight he's like [ __ ] i'm sorry like i wanted to bring more of a show to you guys he's a crowd crowd please he's a real fighter shawn's real for real bring that [ __ ] let's go that's why i used to use them so i would take bobby in to go train with him because sean was one of those guys i don't give a [ __ ]
who you are you know like i'm gonna come hard right so everybody kind of in the area was intimidated by bobby in a lot of ways that's given by sean too we're gonna figure out what's going on when those two fight because uh pereira is a wicked striker but pereira had a good fight in his last fight with uh was it i found the same card bruno silva was that the the the guy he fought the brazilian cat who was a really good striker man he caught or did you fight after that no when was that card was that on the new york card who was uh alex pereira's last opponent how many fights he has bruno silva bruno silva i just didn't want to fight okay he fought bruno after he knocked out that one cat yeah i fell in that car with him yeah yeah so he knocks out that one cat with a flying knee yes and then that fights bruno silva so that was the the bruno silva fight was the second oh unanimous decision so that was uh that was his first two ufc fights so one decision but bruno silva's [ __ ] real he's a really good striker it was a good fight it was like bruno silva tested him pereira won and pereira wobbled him a few times and had him in real big trouble but it's going to be real interesting with strickland because strickland has a high volume approach too he stays on you yeah and it's going to be interesting to see like how he deals with that's a elite striker and pereira pereira is a [ __ ] amazon warrior i mean that dude something real i dealt with the same thing so this could be a quick great question is he going to be a tough guy and try to be a tough guy in stand or is going to be humble and try to win you know i just said this is true as strickland or both guys i'm i'm talking about strickland yeah so what do you think's his path to win his path to win his easiest pathway to take him down he's got a great ground game does he yeah well maybe we'll see that you know i don't know if it stands up with everybody but you know pereira has been taken down before nikolaitis took him down but the question is not going to do it right we haven't seen that lately he's becoming a striking base it's maybe he'll just test
the waters you know maybe he's going gonna test the waters pereira's got real [ __ ] power man real power he's got like world championship power and he's the only guy that ever hold two titles consecutively in glory he was the 85 and the 205 wow okay yeah at the same time so he's like i just know him as he's claiming to great izzy you know yeah well he did knock out izzy yeah but it's also he trains with glover and glover's resurgence i think is directly connected it's the same timeline as pereira wow it's in the same timeline i mean it's not that glover wasn't always elite he's always been elite was one of the best fighters but i think yeah i think having a [ __ ] straight-up assassin yeah that's it's terrifying he's a [ __ ] assassin you zig when you shoot a zag with pereira it's night night i mean he makes everybody go to sleep if you watched some of his fights in glory like holy [ __ ] man speaking of glover [ __ ] great animal what oh the best guy the best guy but how about when's the world title at 42. that's what i'm kidding i was screaming on the tv as an underdog when he got his back and he got that form under the neck i'm like no way you know everybody's so happy for him everybody's so happy for him you know you can't be a clover hater yeah everybody's so happy i went with that moment you know where everybody's like you deserve it you know we've seen him and and he'd been up there and kind of failed and came back up there again you know yeah i mean john jones yeah don don't worry he came back his shoulder up in that fight yes i talk about it all the time move the chat over hook he just wrenches nobody uses it and that's what the creativity that's what i'm saying don is legendary of daddy's creativity nobody thought about that move somebody thought about come from here to there yeah nobody thought about these moves see nobody ever accused jon jones of not being exciting nobody bingo bingo freaking deadly yeah how about the leota cheetah fight we
just dropped some chokes him unconscious bingo it's one of the most brutal walk-off strangulations of all time yeah he because he he cinches up the choke he gets a guillotine on him cinches up the choke dumps him yeah i mean i think if i want to sing correctly i think he did like a high guillotine yeah is that what he did was it a high one was it this one i think so yeah it was like whatever he did he shut the lights out uh-huh let's see if we can [ __ ] there we go watch this he pins him up against the the cage there it is look oh yeah yeah yeah see pushes up with the other hand that's what he did that's right that's right i remember they never know how to use those limbs like that and john just held on and he knew he was going to sleep that's what i hate about god i hate rolling with tall long guys the way he walked away like that i mean that's jon jones in his prime right they can do things that nobody else can do you know well john always has great distance management that's the other thing about him you know he uses his strengths the fact that he's so tall and long he uses that too i understand this is that like you know when you roll with the tall guys you roll with them oh [ __ ] sucks sometimes like i'm in north south and they'll be able to take their legs and stick them in you're hook the hooks in and take your back you're like you shouldn't be able to do that you know you shouldn't be able to do that i roll with like somebody down in 10th planet uh san diego i want to say and it's this uh long black guy and he's got a little afro and stuff man just his flexibility was just unreal hmm and he was so long he could just take his foot and like he took it all there on my back and stuck it around here this hook went all the way around and went in there i'm like this isn't fair yeah it's an advantage yeah what i wonder what the advantage in grappling is i guess shorter limbs you could defend better those guys dig under hooks and yeah and like defend limb stuff you know maybe but maybe but like
well some guys think would be the adverse the scariest guy that was short was paul haras right oh god he was like that guy nobody five seven and five seven wide and it would grab a hold of your [ __ ] leg and not let go yes what happened to him that guy's [ __ ] nuts yeah he left like the ufc he's the only guy he got kicked out yeah winning kicked out for winning and not letting go not letting go they were so upset at him they kicked him off the ufc and then he went to the pfl and did it to jake shields yeah over there he heard that caught jake shields in the comments he poked him in the eyes and he caught him in kimura and he wouldn't let go and jake punched him in the face after the fight was over it was like or happened to me punching that face or something happened he did something something happened i forgot what he exactly did but you know he's furious because he did what he's always done he [ __ ] up the guy doesn't want to let go and he cheats in that regard okay okay so um why do you think he's doing that why do you think what's wrong with him guys crazy any speculation i mean when a guy doesn't want to let go of a heel hook and the referee's trying to pry your arm off and you're still wrenching the knee apart that's nuts yeah i call it roid rage you got some reuters it could be we we can't have that though like there's i'm sure there's guys that have done steroids and let go of heel hooks like i don't think the two are totally when a guy [ __ ] taps you gotta let go the problem is like he's angry about something they said to him or did to him no he didn't want to hurt you he had a horrible childhood apparently like the people that i've talked to that knew him from brazil said he had a i don't want to speak to it because it's not my business but it was a horrific horrific childhood i'm talking about like the way that that's why you did something he's a predator he's a really mean and paris has nasty jesus he takes it personal like at the lanes if you if you give him some type of uh a reason he takes it into the cage oh yeah rip your [ __ ] leg rip your legs apart he was the scariest guy ever when he got a hold of your legs because he knew there was a because he was such a tank
even if you tapped it yeah everybody knows yep you who's that guy he ended his career he was good uh mike pence uh mike mike pierce yeah mike pierce yeah he tore his name apart he tore a lot of knees apart man but you know like um you saw khalil roundtree's sidekick to the d that'll [ __ ] your knee up too some people technique it's great technique great technique it's a great technique look if you're allowing heel hooks can you allow that yeah there's like a good question it's a good question too it's a good question if you can tear my limbs apart you know it's like interiors with a strike that's the thing it's like if you could tear it apart why can't you kick it apart yes right you should be able to it's not that easy to kick apart yes right or if you can knee somebody in the face like can you guys down elbow them right all those things you have the ability to check you have the ability to move your leg yeah you know yeah khalil's his is so devastating devastating because that when he lands it it's like what everybody always thought they would do if they ever got attacked right people said yeah you're always like i'll [ __ ] kick your knees out someone actually said that to me once it only takes about 400 pounds or 140 pounds forced to destroy a knee i'm like try it are you good at kicking knees you're a [ __ ] expert you don't think i'm going to see you wind up to kick my knee yeah i'm stupid like what do you how are you going to kick knees like you're kicking knees you know it's like the average person but khalil roundtree can kick the [ __ ] out of your knee i love striker high level striker and interesting fight right because he fought in a different stance he fought low in that fight which is very unusual because like when he fought eric anders he came out like this like thai style yeah yeah yeah i remember that yeah this fight he was like hunkered down interesting heavier guys are trying to predict certain things like maybe if you want to wrestle more you know maybe you just
want to give people different looks too like you know you just use different styles to beat yeah guys you know like i noticed also let's use that for that perspective like when i fought clay guida i had i switched my stance to southpaw because wrestlers usually were taught to use their southpaw legs so if i need to wrestle i'm ready to wrestle yeah but i'm also going to be more of a squatted position to be defensive against the wrestling mm-hmm you know yeah did you just shift your whole camp that way or whole camera ran tail paul to hold camp i i knew that was going that way i still work my other stance too i work all everything just in case i need it still you know make sure it's sharp what are you doing for like recovery do you do ice baths do you do saunas what do you do do you do anything but they're so dope they're so good for you yeah it's probably the worst thing they do in my camp you know yeah thinking about it like oh god but don't you feel good afterwards it's so amazing it feels so good just getting through that you know so i figured out little little tricks that i'm trying to like oh i can do it this way now make it a little bit easier um but you just have to get through that first minute yeah once a week first minute you're you're good i like i like c-vac have you ever heard of it i have heard of that yeah you tried it i have not tried it so i can always explain to people what it is um so see back is this pod um i filmed it on one of my ufc things yeah you're getting this pod and a little like little car you know and it seems like it's it simulates high elevation training it takes you high up 30 000 feet that drops you back down low sea level wow man does this thing to you and what it does is moving the blood around in your body it's great for inflammation ian mccall was into that [ __ ] yeah yeah yeah this guy told me about it okay yeah see yeah you're getting these paws and and like and so we don't want to do some stuff about it like i'm here like i hear it helps with with your uh your blood basically i've heard diabetics be on insulin and get off of insulin through
stuff yeah whoa that's what i've heard i'm not gonna don't quote me that's what the guy who i go through so i just want this to be true yeah yeah i'm just kidding i'm not even gonna research it i'm just i'm glad you guys are happy if it doesn't work it says we are specifically interested in showing improvement and condition uh in those with a history of diabetic peripheral neuropathy neuropathy uh those with a history of chronic obstructive pulmonary disease uh copd those with a history of traumatic brain injury and concussion interesting concussion part so that's what he sold me on he said listen all my guys have used this they never got knocked out i was like what what yeah i was like oh okay what he's like yeah you can still get knocked out that's crazy but i'm just saying like they have something yeah right that's his luck i mean you're fighting but he kind of sold me as in terms of it uh because i hear that it helps with brain recovery well i hope it does we need more things to do for sure you know i know that they've had some success with magnet therapy i know they've done a lot of that with uh vets and football players and mma athletes and cat zingano did that that they did that down like toward san diego interesting i noticed after a fight i'm all inflamed i'm all about i'm sure i'll just feel well that's why i was so [ __ ] gangster that you fought makachev on short notice not just on short notice but short notice right after a fight that's crazy see that i'm using a lot of c-vac to kind of like try to get some of it down like and i'm still bloated you know like a fighters go through this whole uh like a cheerleader phase where you go from being in shape to fat you know and it's like i haven't had carbs like model cheerleaders you know i haven't had carbs i haven't had salts you know like you know chicken breasted broccoli and so you look good and now you're fat and you feel self-conscious you know like i've heard some fighters don't want to get pictures taken when they're like
out of account pictures you know that's why people like rampage i heard ramsey just like no don't take pictures of me like i seem to get mad at some guy before you know get pissed so um that's where i'm still more so like cheerleading and then all you come in the gym all your friends are teasing you you feel self-conscious so i'm getting ready to fight i'm bloated i'm super overweight i'm jumping this thing try to see back out try to get it down get some of this stuff down i'm cutting weight crazy i'm putting all these things together i got to do blood again and i'm afraid of needles i told you right so i'm giving blood right and it's a it's a it's an issue i got three hills planes blood weight cut those are my three hills in the fight i get over those three hills oh and detoxing okay dude cuz i gotta get off the [ __ ] weed that's my my four hills so first one is quitting and then after i quit and get past the two week of being an [ __ ] to my dad you know like well i'll be man i want to talk to him some days would you be in the gym i wouldn't say nothing to him i might be working on just angry you know because i'm just detoxing right now you know and so that's the first hill then the second hills the plains and then the the la uh the another hills the the needles i'm giving blood i give him blood and i always pass out no always pass out i thought he was joking the first time it happened we're down at kessler's you know and uh i see him they go you gotta go go do blood in this room right so we started walking over that i looked back at this way he's sweating like and as cold as [ __ ] outside i'm like why are you sweating and he's like brother you're gonna put a needle in me and next thing you know i'd come in the room he's on a breathing apparatus and passed out passed out dude we're at like three hours and 40 minutes now holy [ __ ] that's how long i've been talking holy [ __ ] i can go all day i know unfortunately are you gonna get out of here yeah i don't wanna stop you know
whatever you wanna wrap it up you can wrap up we have to wrap it up but uh it was a lot of fun thank you very much yeah and i appreciate that there's guys like you out there that are willing to take those big chances and jump in there with a guy like makachev on short notice i always loved you you're always a fun guy and a fun fighter to watch but that shows like remarkable courage those are my things i always push inspiration i always push um jumping on the opportunity i always tell my guys this like you never know what opportunity is going to come you never know i mean it's it's definitely a risk but uh i i applaud i applaud people like yourself that do take some time you're going to fail right you know sometimes you're going to like jon jones when the shogun fight remember that was supposed to be rashad but rashad got injured and john stepped in i don't think that was a lot of time preparation either was it probably not i don't know but he's training with the shot every day yeah either way you asked me about the same thing yeah like when i asked but this was more important to me like i knew all that stuff and i could lose and i could jeopardize all the stuff i got winning and all i had all this hurrah behind me and then now i'm gonna take that opportunity but i was willing to do it for my family they're gonna take care of me and make sure that i make some money for my family i'm willing to take that risk well you're a fun guy to watch man people love watching you fight you know that yeah you do i mean that's what you're saying that you work for showmanship you clearly do the shows and i'm trying to find a fight that's going to be a showman right now i want to fight somebody that's going to come out there and bring at least the numbers yeah well i hope they give you something good next um did they give you any indication of when they would want you to fight again i was trying to fight mei like i'm a guy that someone to sit around i want to find asap you know as soon as possible keep them going i got places to be and things to do and and i got goals and hit the goals and then from there i'm good keep moving yeah so like for
instance right now i got two homes that i own and i'm trying to pay them both off so that's my goals right i'm going to hit those goals no matter what do they um typically let you know like how far in advance they typically let you know that they would like you to get ready to fight typically yeah like how does it go do they say will you be available in july what do they do do they propose you a specific fight yeah 20 of them were sure notice why at least at least 20 at least 20 years at least that's good so people talk about record they don't understand right at least 20 of them are short notice like i think half your fights in the ufc were short notice sure no it is i take everything i can give me sean knows me sean's matchmaker he knows me from strikeforce strikeforce it would be like this you two are gonna fight each other right you guys are gonna fight each other you get hurt joe have you ever considered not doing it this way have you ever considered like that i mean i know that you're you are that risk taker and i think there is a lot of balls involved in being that person but is it always the best move have you thought about it have you ever thought like maybe i should just only prepare for fights and even failing forward failing forward yeah maybe go forward make the mistake you make the mistake get better along the way we're still going and i'm keeping this momentum going forward we learn from it we keep going forward and when we took the risk we learned from the risk and you you got another day you know who's a great uh example of someone who had been counted out but came back and became champion is oliveira yeah yeah because oliveira had some tough fights where guys tapped him guys knocked him out and there was like there's quite a few fights and it's growth a lot of people kind of written him off at one point in time but then slowly but surely you start putting together these wins and then beating top top guys and then looking like a [ __ ] straight up killer yeah and to where he is now it's like [ __ ] man that's a good fight it's a good
fight he's a terrifying human being what do you got i don't know i know i know you don't know hello yeah now but that's one i don't know i don't know i'm taking the gait on that i'm gonna go dangerous man that's my boy i'm gonna go with my dog you know he shot me a pair of gloves and they take care of me like with a little uh what's their onix little clothing stuff yes they they make great [ __ ] gear trevor trevor whitman is a wizard when it comes to making uh gloves he's got the best mma glove have you ever used his mma glove yeah bro it's so well designed yeah that onyx brand like all of its foam is like super high density foam protects your hands better they're the best gloves i've ever used i've seen the gloves i haven't seen the mma gloves yeah his mma gloves are the best they're the best design i wish the ufc would adopt them they're so much better than the regular ones because they they they maintain a curved hand right and the the problem many people say you can speak to this does it feel like it keeps your hand open a little bit the ufc gloves like it's hard to pull it back a little yes that's the main camera when i get my gloves first thing i tell my uh my guy hey start rolling them yeah start rolling them and roll them well trevor break them he's fixed that and his has a curve to it it is a natural curve so when you put it in your hands are naturally curved so i wonder if like over time using a glove of that design would show an improvement in eye pokes because there's so many so many [ __ ] eye pokes man it's horrific when guys are doing that and what if your hand naturally did this naturally and it was hard to do this maybe we could discourage people easier and then maybe we could actually like avoid a bunch of eye pokes and i got this little scar right here from my last one with nasrat from him getting his finger in my eye yeah yeah that's crazy that you fought that fight and then right after that fought makachev that's crazy we did that with uh uh [ __ ] krause james cross and then it was like a
couple of weeks later we fought pat healy and then few like shortly after that was josh thompson like 30 days or something after that [Music] crazy i'm an active guy you know i get it activity going i get it if you don't the it's like why the iron's hot yeah we'll forget about you this culture you're gone tomorrow who's still here joe like like yeah they said it what happened to to great maynard and well all these guys are going i'm still here yeah you know it's true especially with 45 fights like my clock is should be ticking should be yeah yeah i'm an old man yeah i'm a grandpa this game you know yeah for sure it's uh it's a crazy game man and the thing about it is it is literally the evolution of martial arts in front of our eyes we're we're looking at it now and it's become normal to us because it's exciting and it's something we watch we watch the ufc we watch these other organizations it's great to watch mma but historically we're going through an unprecedented time of analysis and effectiveness in martial arts there's never been anything like it the jiu jitsu has never been better than it is now the striking's never been better the the full mma game yes full mma games never been better than it is now even the timing yeah the attacks yeah thank you um i knew that he was going to be missing that is you haven't been in the field for a while buddy you know this is different now yesterday we're going through these young guys they got me fighting all the young and up-and-comers these guys are fast they're hitting hard people are just getting better yeah you know they know they know the realistic arts to train in at such a young age yep that too but it's also it's like so when you watch a guy like hamzat emerge from the scene you know when you watch a guy like gilbert burns you realize like these guys are so much better than like they're they're on such a high level it's it's a a new level of like if you look at the top guys of today it's a new level of excellence for sure you know
and they're lead athletes now from 1993 to now is nothing that's what's crazy how fast it grew it's crazy because it's only it's not that long it's [ __ ] 30 years not even we'll get to the point where we'll be like at like other sports well i think it's always going to be too dangerous for most people too scary for most people because it's so raw you know you see blood all the time they keep the fights going and blood's leaking out of a giant cut in someone's forehead and the other guy's trying to open that cut up it's so primal that i think there's going to be a certain amount of people that are always going to avoid it they don't have the stomach for it it's not something they're interested in yeah there's going to be a lot of people like us there's going to be a lot of people like us that like it a lot and um i think women like it too man yeah i know a lot of women that are they i'm saying manly fans of the ufc now yeah i'm saying more so like my aunt's like she can't watch it right very much yeah older crowd yeah for sure just peaceful people that don't have nothing to do with it so it's never i don't think it's ever gonna achieve the level of like the number one sport in the world but as far as relatability it certainly is as far as excitement it certainly is there's nothing like a crazy prize fight we're killing boxing we're killing these other organizations on how they're packaging it you know that's true too the ufc has an amazing team behind them and dana white is the best president any sports organization has ever had so then you have all that and then all the people that work in the ufc are cool as [ __ ] it's like you got john anika i think is the best play-by-play guy of all time he's awesome he's the best he's the best at it the guy's [ __ ] flawless he's a wizard he's so good at that [ __ ] and then you got you know dc and felder all your kids joe yeah you started them you burped them they had to take a little pointed from you well i learned a little bit from jeff blatnick and you know watching people do it before me [ __ ]
bill super wallace did jeff osborne jeff osborne was real good at it who was your who was your person you looked at or gave you what you're doing or put you in the position like i'm gonna look and do it like this you're not nobody you know that's why i got super lucky i came along when no one was doing it you know there'd only been like a couple guys before me so when i first started doing commentary i do post fight interviews in 97. that was your style i know you know but i mean i'm saying so my first exposure to the the fighting at all is post fight interviews in 97 right so i do that and then um that's so that's only a couple years after the ufc started it's four years after the ufc started it was still relegated to you could only get it on directv it was banned from cable and we were playing these like weird places so i did that for a little while and then when i came back to do commentary i only did it for fun i thought it was uh i knew i didn't think it was a job i really just did it because dana asked me to do it and i said i'll do it for fun and i didn't even get paid for like the first 15 shows i remember i said i don't even want any money so i go just get get me tickets you know fly my friends out do you remember a kid named jamie walsh sure it's good buddy mine okay what's the what's he up to now he's um back in california i got to reach out to him okay but i know jamie from uh john jacques machado's and i know jamie from uh he used to teach me uh kettlebells and oh yeah he was a strength and conditioning coach yeah he trained eddie bravo when he um prepared for abu dhabi in brazil and so when he uh had tapped hoyler gracie jamie walsh was with him and me the three of us he's a great guy yeah so i met him when i was a blue belt and started training with him on the side pretty much and then uh it was right around that jeremy williams time oh okay oh the suicide yeah we shot up we shot a dvd for for them down there and i got to meet you know at that time was eddie and a handful other guys you
know and jamie would take me to the ufc so you'd leave tickets for him he'd call me up ah some tickets let's go that's good yeah i hook a lot of friends up one of the dopest things about the job all right i got to wrap this up yes sir this is very late um i just real i just looked up at the clock thank you thanks for the story and thanks for and uh congratulations on getting out and your experience and you should definitely write a book or something about it and um yeah it's i mean it's it's a wild [ __ ] story bobby thanks for being here it was a lot of fun i enjoyed it thank you so much and now best of luck here this was on my bucket list i feel like that's amazing scratch that [ __ ] now like i feel like now i can maybe i can retire now i did everything i got everything on my bucket list i think you have more great things to come sir we're done thank you bye everybody [Music] [Applause] you