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The Joe Rogan Experience what do you think about those scholars in Israel that believe that the Burning Bush was some sort of a psychedelic experience oh well I I think we have no idea how psychedelic experience shape religious presumption have you read uh Brian murillas absolutely I interviewed him oh yeah I mean look fit we know that the shamanic tradition which is God only knows how many tens of thousands of years old it might be is it millions of years old maybe you know human beings have been using fire for two million years like it could be really really old and the the shamanic tradition is definitely a psychedelic tradition and one of the things maresco did was show quite clearly that the all of Greek culture was embedded in what looks like a collective psychedelic experience and so yeah I think that I think the evidence a great religious scholar studied Shamanism and he thought that the use of psychedelics was a degeneration of the original tradition but I don't think that's true at all I think that the Psychedelic tradition is part and parcel of the universal religious Heritage of mankind and like I don't know what that means you know I've talked to people like Robin Carhart Harris who studies the Neurology of psychedelic experience and he said that what it does is produce something akin to uh to a a hyper stress experience so imagine you're extremely stressed like your life's in danger and so you have to open yourself up to the possibility of radically new ideas well a psychedelic substance puts you in that state of mind and so that can be hellish because you can you can collapse into like a catastrophic fight-or-flight defensive response and magnified by the hallucinogen and you're just in hell but that isn't only the only necessary outcome and so the second psychedelic experience definitely mimics something like radical learning and it does it also seems to reduce the effect of memory on perception because most of what you see in the world is memory it's just a short that's why you know when you look at a word printed word you read the word you can't not read the word that's because you you see in the
memory you're not seeing like when I look at the sign behind you I'm not lost in the yellow in the details I see The Joe Rogan Experience right it's part and parcel of perception it's all memory what a psychedelic does in part is remove the inhibition of memory from perception and that reimburses you in the complex world and shows you how remarkable and Beyond Comprehension everything really is that's real but uh question is what to do with that you know Timothy Leary his Doctrine was turn on tune in turn on Tunein drop out and that devastated the whole culture of that idea it's like well if we just shed our presuppositions and the whole industrial nightmare we'd all be Freedom loving hippies wandering around needing it's like no I wanted to do a line of psychedelic products uh turn on tune in grow up right I think that's much much much funnier much better yeah and that's also possible that's a possible path through this sort of uh quest for Spiritual Enlightenment yeah and it's not it's the the Timothy Leary thing was I mean it was dismissed by a lot of other psychedelic pioneers of the time they they saw the flaws oh yeah yeah definitely the people who are already experimenting with ideas of proper set and also do that back in the early 60s yes and also the people that had no desire to run a group of like-minded people which Leary did yeah he wanted to he fell into that culture that hippie counterculture and also I think he fell into the Cult of Personality yeah it fell into the this thing that happens when too many people are paying attention to you yeah you think you have all the answers yeah it's very dangerous yeah especially if you combine that with psychedelics yes yes yes yes that turns out to be a problem right and the the intoxicating grip of that the the power that you have over these people which is very it's unavoidable and if you are a guru you know air quotes and you're the person doing that like how many of them just start Cults and how many of them you know it winds up being sexual well Jung was asked once to comment on psychedelic experience I think he was asked about what Huxley was doing and Jung's answer was beware of unearned
wisdom right very smart very smart we're very very smart