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this episode of The Joe Rogan Experience Podcast was one of the episodes uh that we made while we were filming the Sci-Fi show Joe Rogan questions everything so what we did when we did that show if you've never uh seen or heard of it we had a podcast on the show and a lot of people thought it was a fake podcast but it was actually a real podcast and thanks to the generosity of the Sci-Fi channel we are now able to release it as a podcast so uh thank you to Tim and Wayne Uh from sci-fi and uh to uh Michael and Frank from uh Arthur Smith that um produced the show thanks also to Todd who was the director of the show we had a great time doing it and uh appreciate it very much and appreciate you guys letting me do this like that like the way we did it I think it was uh it was really fun to do it this way we did it exactly like a regular podcast just me and Duncan and in this episode we went over what's called uh biohacking or um what what I call dorks with knives sticking things under their skin fascinating subject and uh I think you'll enjoy the [ __ ] out of it this episode is brought to you by Legal Zoom Legal Zoom is uh one of the sponsors that we have where we have actually many people that are connected to the show of used it uh on it was formulated through uh Legal Zoom Brian um made uh his company in LLC through Legal Zoom it's a way you can do things online where you can get legal papers filed do things without actually having to go to an attorney and sit down and you know pay for an office visit and pay exorbitant amounts of money to an attorney and also you have to schedule [ __ ] and drive and all that jazz you can use Legal Zoom naked you could be naked nobody nobody can stop you you know you could make it a point to only use Legal Zoom when you're naked it won't have any benefit or any detriment to the actual leg legality of the papers that you that you make like what what kind of stuff can you do well here's one you can incorporate or form an LLC at legalzoom.com starting at just 99 bucks that's really easy they can help out with trademarks copyrights patents if you got a great idea and you want to protect it if you have a family you can make a will you can make a a legal will for just 69 bucks you can also get living trust power of attorney and more
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dad from in college when did this happen this was I don't the the assault happened year I think before me and this guy were in college together but if you look at the probability of getting a ride back from college with a guy who was a mo mobile the probability of your dad having beaten his dad up it's so slim it's so slim that like my what are the odds that my that we both go to this liberal arts college of 500 students and the one other guy from Mobile Alabama his father have been assaulted by my father in a bar those are pretty small odds minuscule odds it's pretty funny too that it would be your dad too cuz you're like the opposite like I could never imagine you just assaulting someone even if somebody got really mad at you you'd be like all right well [ __ ] you man and you just like get out of there like the idea of you assaulting someone is beyond comprehension so the idea of your dad being this [ __ ] Hollow too bullet carrying Savage beating the [ __ ] out of your friend's dad yeah getting arrested Jesus Christ he got arrested in the parking lot two cops took him down and he got my dad came home from high school once with a black eye him and his uh his uh co-worker they were doing a business together and the business started going bad and they got a [ __ ] fist fight and he came home and I remember looking at him you know I was like 16 or 17 or something like that and a black eye I was like what the [ __ ] man are you done with this like you're still duking it out at you know 40 whatever the hell he old he was back then well it's a classic it's a classic it's a classic man it's weird a classic Man fought like it was like like think of hingu that's what's just part of being a man is like you would get in some inevitable fist fight and in those days it seems like you don't get in a fist fight and there's lawsuits and legal stuff it's just like the other guy accepts getting his ass kicked you're the Victor and that's it or you get your ass kicked and you forget about it that seems like the old way it is now if you get in a fist fight you end up in you know serious legal trouble you get a an instant lawsuit but it was it used to just be like when you see elk smashing into each other in the wilderness that's what it used to be being a man you just run into a guy and
just start punching each other and then that was it those were the days back in the good old days before writing [ __ ] down hey on people had a few mistakes and started writing [ __ ] down they were like oh yeah okay yeah blame it on Hammer Robi it's all Hammer robi's fault and that gentleman is his name is sherid sharid shared shared shared and Lucas and they're from uh Grindhouse wetwear and Grindhouse wetwear first of all greatest name for a company ever what does that mean uh so it comes from the name uh Grinders that's what we get real close to that uh that's what we are we're Grinders uh Grinders are kind of like uh what happens when you mix open source hackers and body modification with a dash of transhumanism uh and wet wees uh is this you know your body so we're literally grinding our biology uh there's all these interesting uh little names that you guys have for yourselves first of all Grinders we're Grinders we're transhumanists where there's a lot of uh self-defining going on there well it's not exactly that we're self-defining we're just guys who we really like technology and we all grew up with like you talk about growing up with Hemingway and classic men and we were all about fighting we grew up we were we were protected and sheltered and grew up with Star Wars and grew up with these stories about robots that could think and people that couldn't live any longer and had to augment themselves and cyborgs and well cyborgs were really cool we thought they were really cool and uh you know I was in my uh 20s when we hit the year 2000 first thing that happened New Year's Eve 2000 and after I got over the shock of nothing hitting the wall nothing falling out of the sky I turned to my brother and went where is my [ __ ] jet pack and that kind of summed it up I felt that way um my buddies felt that way I didn't realize it but there were a lot of people who felt that way and uh were all broke and we didn't know much about science and um somewhere along the line like I guess in 2006 there was a kid in Arizona who realized that he could start stimulating his nerves with magnets with Magnetic implants he uh went to a body mod guy and got an implant done in his fingers it started going from him to a guy in
Europe and then like 2008 there was a a Lady Quinn Norton um who wrote for Wired and wrote for some other other places and she did it she went out and said it was a bad idea don't do it um other people started doing it um okay so well let's let's back up first of all explain what you're talking about you're talking about biohacking you're talking about doing something to your body that enhances it in integrating or incorporating technology into your body and the first guy was the guy in Phoenix that did the the Arizona rather was it Arizona was it Phoenix Arizona yeah yeah yeah did the magnets in his fingers yeah as far as we know that's a first the Pioneer first do and what what benefit is there of having magnets in your fingers like what what did that accomplish for him um besides making it easier to put your hand on a refrigerator easier I think it's annoying it would be an annoying moment you're always getting stuck to things it doesn't it doesn't exactly work like that these are really tiny magnets so I you have magnets in your fingers yeah yeah I got like uh got one around there one around there wow so so you implanted magnets in in your fingers yeah why did you do that uh I was drunk no kidding kidding um I uh found out about this I was really interested in everything we've been talking about I ran into a childhood friend of mine who uh got it done last year and when he showed me what he was doing with it I had to do it what was he doing with it um it gives you the ability when you implant a magnet in a nerve dense area of your hand when you around an electromagnetic field um that magnet vibrates and so you can feel that now there's a property of our brains called neuroplasticity uh when you provide a stimulus over a course of time uh like about 6 months your brain starts adapting to it it starts building something new and uh I was always fascinated even as a child of uh the idea of having an extra sense not necessarily like ESP but just an extra sense or be able to hear a sound that no one's ever heard before see a color no one ever seen before all those stories from uh don't do drug pamphlets that are like I can see the music I can taste sound that sounded amazing to me so when
I heard about this extra sense I jumped out this chance to incorporate that in my body but what extra sense the extra sense of using these magnets to detect an electrical field or to vibrate during an electrical field is that what you're saying yeah and what how you define an electrical field um it's Power Station it's an electromagnetic field so anytime that an electron travels in a straight line uh you have a magnetic field that's coming out kind of in a circle around it okay it radiates around it um if you have a coil a coil of wire and electrons going through a coil there'll be a kind of like a donut shaped magnetic field around it so those sort of fields they have property of uh volume and property of frequency they vibrate at a certain certain frequency and they're loud or soft like a Transformer like electrical Transformer of a building that HS absolutely so if you were near that with your fingers having the magnets in them what would happen to you um I can feel those sometimes uh when people would ask me at the beginning what it was like to feel the stuff I would describe it like an e effervescent feeling like bubbles it felt like bubbles and it was really interesting to me it felt like bubbles yeah like how does that work um well that's the weirdest explanation for something or description oh it felt like bubbles I don't even know what to say you mean it felt like fizz yeah kind of like fizz like poptarts like pop rocks rather Sea Foam I think is what he meano I don't know um froth like dog froth every person that has as the implant uses completely different language to describe it's been really fascinating to run into other people with implants and talk about this stuff because we are describing the same phenomena and it's like you're asking me to describe a color that you've never seen before how am I going to describe squant uh it's squant well is that blue no it's squant is it purple uh no it's like uh tasting an orange oh so it's orange no is there any is there any negative repercussions to having these magnets installed in your body um well the first time that someone actually said something that made sense as a far as a negative thing I saw a speech by Quinn Norton where she said hey don't do this this is a bad idea um hers shattered what shattered
her magnetic uh implant shattered shattered okay so when uh a magnet receives either a lot of heat or a very strong force uh it loses its magnetic pole but more importantly these magnets are made out of rare Earth elements M's like a Cobalt uh alloy those things aren't really healthy to take inside your body if it shatters so this is perene coated some people use silicone um crazier people use hot glue um so it's essentially it's it's poison you're you're dealing with a toxic element in your body if it's not covered not cover when it burst in in her she actually consulted a doctor and the doctor was like well here's the thing we could go through all the trouble of pulling it out but it's so tiny and it's so little that's really not going to bother you and so they left it in and over the course of time that magnet pulled itself back together she never got the sense back but it pulled itself back together and it didn't harm her creepy little creature if you guys are interested moving around inside of her finger how'd she break it what' she slap a cop car or something how would you how did she shatter she didn't say Furious masturbation I have no idea just furious yeah possessed eyes rolled back one shoe on screaming like a like a tiger caught in a barb wire fence hopefully it wasn't Clank yeah it could be could very well be if I had a guess but that usually doesn't happen with with the magnets this size or I don't have a vagina so I wouldn't know how could you know what would happen when a woman's in the middle of a furious masturbation session completely mag shatters on [ __ ] a half a pound of meth just slaming it home you never know are you asking how can we imagine what happened yeah how else does magnet get shattered that's just a good guess as any yeah like maybe her orgasm was so strong it admitted a magnetic field messed up horny as [ __ ] maybe on top of an old truck the middle I'm just coming up with a scenario how do you these are under these are under your fingers no that's that's a lot larger but if you guys are curious about a [ __ ] magnet yeah yeah there you go so something for your [ __ ] that's that's a need for you know just
in a cleaner way of expressing this question um are there any uh gentlemen perhaps that uh have these magnets put in their nether regions I have no idea I don't know I think so it's been spoken about it's been spoken spoken about has it been spoken or has it been written on our website somewhere uh it's been spoken about and and usually the closer you can get that to your face seriously the better pull it right up to your face usually uh or move your chair a little yeah when it comes to stuff like that uh people talk about it and then and then don't do it oh so they're saying hey man I've been thinking about putting magnets in my [ __ ] just so you start thinking about their [ __ ] is that what they're doing that's what they're doing and then you're forced hey you know Mike he's going to put magnets in his [ __ ] like why are we sitting around talking about Mike's [ __ ] there a lot of [ __ ] to talk about in the world well Mike tricked us Mike brought up putting magnets in his [ __ ] he knows how to reach you guys okay he can't just talk about sex that's too easy no he has to talk about what what do you guys like you guys like putting magnets in your body so he starts talking about magnets in his [ __ ] but people already do that with [Music] like absolutely AB saying it's totally serious this is I figured it out I'm I'm like Cojack or something but uh people already do that with body modification you know they they stuff pierced I've seen allegedly seen some stuff online of just horrible ideas you know that someone followed through with with horrible the guy who splits his [ __ ] in half the guy it's only one guy that's like saying Bigfoot it's only one thing there's a lot of Bigfoot you're saying more than one guy FL Why Super Why do you do that it's supposed to feel phenomenal it's supposed to doesn't it fall apart when you're having like a hot dog that's been sliced and thrown on a grill hear that it's kind of like shooting like a shotgun oh St says that J Christ wow Jesus Christ I I think you guys I think you caught your dick and then you just tell everybody it's awesome you don't want to admit you're an idiot is this like when they told me like we were going to have a punch yourself in the face contest and I had to start first
exactly okay exactly Preposterous you guys are are in a way what you're doing is you are turning yourself into a labat with the intention of gaining a kind of lowlevel superpower like a a really really low on the scale of superpowers the ability to feel EMF Fields is that what they're called yeah to feel that that's a really low power but it's still you have more superpowers than me I can't feel that you're still ahead of the majority of your species but there's a risk to this you're risking your life so that you can feel what it's like to be a refrigerator magnet anything that you put in your body you risk getting sepsis from there's a risk of sepsis so yeah there is a risk um what exactly is sepsis that sounds like septic is that related what does it mean it means some sort of infection yeah basically bacterial infections of any sort so I've had a buddy who's a a surgeon who's told me hey don't do this this is a bad idea right good for you you got that done but don't put anything else in your body because any implant can can go bad go bad I got my nose pierced in Venice Beach when I was 15 and you should have seen that man SW up oh my God it was just so nasty man my my nose got swollen I pushed I remember pushing against it in front of the mirror and just like the amount of puss like where you get proud of the amount of puss coming out you know that can kill people they get staffed like that and it winds up eating your whole nose off oh yeah man I got lucky you know you should never get your nose pierced that's a ridiculous thing but and there's no superpower in that you just look like a dumbass what he said I'm with him um so this is a tangible extra sense though this this ability to detect a magnetic field I mean you really can do something that Duncan or ey can't with your body because of these additions it's it's profound it's something I didn't understand when I got it done um what started out like feeling bubbles um now like uh I'll go to Home Depot and I'll be feeling stuff cuz it's oh my God so fun to feel stuff feel an extra sense what you feel um mainly magnetic stuff freak hanging around Home Depot touching all the stuff oh my gosh it's a drill um no but over there panted out by
the lawnmowers some magnetic field oh oh oh hey what's your favorite this means you probably have like people have favorite flavors do you have a favorite machine you like to put your fingers near um I've had I've had situations like I I've been around really strong magnets and when I first uh was around a really strong magnet I felt a feeling in the pit of my stomach like Dread and and it made me want to pull away and run away from it cuz you're worried you're just going to get clinked no it wasn't a logical thing it it wasn't logic well you know the funny thing about that is I'm working out what are sensitivities are there's been a lot of debate among the people who've had these things on how how close we can get to an MRI uh there's some people who talk about it being dangerous because it can it can move around since this is subdermal it's not anchored in any way like uh other subdermal uh Body Mods are um um it could move your magnet a bit one way or another someone's got to test it but uh there are people who who've claimed uh uh through the network of people who install these there are people who've claimed that they've had uh MRIs done and felt their magnet dance around and that's it w but the MRI is a super powerful magnet that you're talking about the tiny ones are like 1.5 1.5 Teslas but people go into those things with sweater sweatshirts with zippers on them they do yeah I talked to a guy who operates one in research facility and you that's why I'm like funny you should mention this because okay but that's not standard operational procedure you're not supposed to you're supposed to get down to a robe I just had one a couple of days ago you take your clothes off that you don't you don't go are you sure they weren't just [ __ ] with you are you sure you don't know anything about Mr and you got magnets installed in your hand that's crazy man you don't go in there with zippers on what kind of [ __ ] doctor are these people going to it's a research facility it's not a doctor first Joe can I what you said someone's died from an MRI what is that well I was trying to say is if you have metal in the room and they turn the MRI on a child died recently accidentally
because they had an oxygen tank in the room and they weren't aware they had it in there so when you turn on the MRI the the [ __ ] oxygen tank comes flying into the machine it's a giant super powerful magnet right and killed them by the time they could shut it off he was already dead I mean it's insane amount of pressure you're dealing with and it's just cuz someone's dumb enough to have metal in the room so I really find it hard to believe that any doctor would allow someone to go through an MRI with a zipper on that's preposterous that's just not what they do so I I question who you're talking to talking to crazy people lying about putting magnets in their dicks and wearing zippers into MRIs you got to hang out you got to hang out with a higher quality group of humans a higher quality group of humans but but there is there is uh magnetic shielding cuz you know people that have pacemakers or other implants oh they put like something over you to stop that like a suit or something like that yeah huh that's interesting but you're not doing that with your fingers you just let them tingle if you get in there allegedly don't know that's something you really should be careful about but I think I think I think it's it's something that should be tested I think if we've even even if you're not I'm not advocating that someone with this in their finger go and and test it but you know even if you can uh replicate the consistency of human and put uh like a human flesh put the magnet in and then expose it to Something in like 1.5 Tesla just to see what happen now you have this which you've already done with the the magnets what is what's the next level thing obviously everything progresses so what what are people considering doing now so um there doing well a lot of people are building devices that interact with the magnets so you can think of it as uh because it interacts with electricity and magnetism it's kind of like a really lowlevel input you can input anything uh so if you've got an external device that's measuring say the amount of CO2 in the room you could hook that up through a coil Around Your Finger around your your magnet finger and have that information transferred into like pulses or how much it vibrates or whatever so you're literally using an external sensor to to
give you data any data any data you want and have it transfer that to the magnet and after after some training it becomes intuitive so uh you know some people have done it with mainly sonar and thermal like a like a thermal laser now I I know that people have talked about the ultimate the the the ultimate future of incorporating technology in human body is the ability to take the mind and download it Consciousness somewhere into uh an artificial creation but somewhere along the line there's probably going to be some steps right and you guys are kind of taking like one of these steps like by putting magnets in your body when do you think you're going to see someone who puts a cell phone in their body is that coming is it going to be like a neural interface that allows you to get online with Wi-Fi well we're somewhere towards that that's something else we're working on so um our CTO his dream the thing that brought us all together wasn't magnets that was that was ancillary heed it was love right yeah well of course it was love because we all kind of knew each other and we all had this love of the future and we all kind of were told to sit back and let Motorola take care of it um and none of us wanted to deal with that um but he wanted to build something that he he believed that we have the ability to do this stuff ourselves we don't have to wait for some big company to do it we can do it cheap we can do it ourselves design it ourselves and since we know people who can install magnets under our skin why not an implant why not something well um the goal was to have something so uh basically what it does is a it's a it's a rose compass uh that electrically stimulates you it's it's probably here on your calf and it's always pointing North so that you always have an intuitive sense of where North is now if you've got if you've got the chip talking to some external thing you could hook it up to a map system like Google Maps and be like yo take me home and then you have an intuitive sense of where home is always what wait a minute what hold on wait back that up you have a compass installed in your body and the B how does it run it just runs on the magnetism that's in the compass it's all
mechanical Els involved it can be powered wirelessly so it's it's got like a wireless coil in it and so it's powered somehow by an external yeah okay yeah and so you can like hover it over it that's that's what the the the dream is and what is the method of communication to the mind that explains where North is or how to get home so it's uh in the same way that you're using a really simple system in terms of the magnet you're not using any magic it's just vibrating for this it's just applying a very very small amount of electricity enough that you can there's there's a sensation so it's not like blaring and it's not shocking you but there is a sensation is this completely theoretical the idea of being able to find your way home or is there any we we have uh parts of it parts of it built and actually when we came together and we had that idea we said okay this thing has way too many features so what we're going to do is we're going to build uh we're going to build an implant that's a kind of a halfway step to there so that we build the ground uh towards it and that's actually uh it's actually this thing here wow and so what this thing does is it actually it's a a Quantified Self uh Health metric and this is uh this is just going to take data you can check this out this uh takes medical data and uh sends it to your phone uh so if you can imagine having maybe 6 months worth of uh of your medical data and it your data it's not anyone else's data your data um and you can do whatever with it uh and so we wanted to kind of make do do a halfway project so that we get familiar with implant technology and then move towards really cool [ __ ] the I IDE I I understand um the idea of a compass I understand that you you could power it somehow but what I don't understand is how the compass is communicating with your mind so it in the in the same way that uh the nervous system is is communicating with your mind it's not uh it's not sending it wirelessly to your brain right there there are things in your body that's communicating to your nervous system that then goes to your mind and so you're literally uh you're literally making a new Mini organ that uh or another part of your body that interfaces with your nervous system
through electricity and then you're just saying it's like a vibration or something it's like a lowlevel pulse or something right it's a lowle pulse yeah I understand that I understand that you would get a sensation but I don't understand how it could be directional I don't see the mechanism for that well it's it's a it's a rose compass right so what does a rose compass mean it's uh so it's got like a clock yeah it's got uh north south east west and then like Northwest oh that's called a rose compass yeah okay yeah so it's a compass yeah and yeah it's it's a compass okay and so uh let's say let's say I'm facing North uhhuh the stimulation will be going this way right but if I if I turn it's going to start start stimulating it's directional in that wherever the north is it gives a signal pointing where the arrow goes so the arrow it not just doesn't just act as a beacon it somehow or another like sends a charge off in that direction yeah and then it becomes intuitive once you start determining what that signal means like it becomes a new thing sort of like sound like you hear sound over here and you know it's coming in that direction that's crazy it's intuitive in the sense that like I would be working with uh with some of the guys in the lab and you know they've got two or three implants and they would say leave the soldering iron on and they'd go to reach to grab something and just them feeling this the the intensity of the soldering iron would make them pull back right and so it's not like they're like oh [ __ ] that that might kill me let me pull back it's more like it's more like every time you reach over here something screams at you or or something like pokes you it's like people who are allergic to cats if you're around a cat you know like you that's a kind of superpower a person who's allergic to cats can walk into a house and be like you have cats right you have cats they can sense the cat cuz they start sneezing and C espe if you're dirty and you don't clean your house yeah well generally people have cats cat they're gross little creatures pretty filthy when you walk into a house and get that first waft of the cat litter box mixing it with old bananas so nice you have a box of [ __ ] in your house yeah nice
dirty box of [ __ ] and a and a filthy witch animal want peering out at you from the wall ready to smother your baby while it's sleeping suck the breath right out are you guys going to destroy cats that's awesome um I think this people like you make me love existing today because the idea that there are human beings at this very moment and I picture you in in a basement in in basements with straight razors shaking cutting themselves open and just putting chips inside of their body no they go to doctors and have all this done man come on fantasy well leather straps in their mouth bite down on a twig now well you guys are both right you're both kind of right see yeah you don't all go to a do what doctor do you go what doctor do you guys go toor Dr Evil Dr Evil and and and I imagine that when before you guys put the magnets in you're snorting oxycotton or like you're definitely on painkillers right well I got my implant done I got it done with no pain meds and uh oh my gosh um it was a rush I i' never had that much that much that's a new meme dude standing there with a razor blade and the photo says I got it done without pain killers and oh my gosh what a rush I I don't it was it was it was something else the amount of endorphins you got it's it's trauma it's trauma your body's going through trauma and your body releases all that endorphins all at once you you definitely you don't remember the fact that you just got H go a shot I I don't I don't Advocate people doing this uh I don't Advocate people opening themselves up at all uh that's not going to stop anybody it's too late right now there's already 700 teens with xacto knives putting their dad's wrist watch bandana in mouth tugging Jes well but kids if you're watching this seriously don't don't it never ends well someone already tried it and they're kind of [ __ ] up because of it so who that who tried what um uh so one of the people that pioneered this uh this this uh lady out in Scotland called LEP anonym she uh did this talk called cybernetics for the masses um where she advocating you know implants and uh she did it herself she she sterilized uh what did she use she used she used vodka she used vodka and hot
glue to coat the magnets she uh in Her speech she told everyone hey I don't care how hardcore you think you are get a spotter because you will pass out and that that to me that to me she also used a vegetable peer that to me is not that to me is not is not DIY itics that's irresponsible really I could tell you that when you told me her name that's a you don't leave it home with your keys by the I've seen that speech WEP an gave and I I emailed her directly after the speech cuz I wanted to get her on my podcast but she first of all didn't know if she was a she cuz she's androgynous you can't really tell but she looks like she fell out of a Philip K dick novel like she is a you a really fascinating being like it's a really curious being and she seems kind of nonchalant about what she's doing and it reminds me of you guys a little bit because you guys seem to be brushing off the fact that what you're doing can make it so that in 20 years you are just basically a trembling Drink Machine somebody could put a cocktail in your hand and mix it up because you have some kind of severe neurological damage from the weird chemicals in your magnets going into your brains it could be true you're right you're right totally right we probably would be dealing with something worse than a Parkinson's like state get up on the mic man sorry that's okay um you're right um there are risks um when left gave that speech she gave it with the intent that people out there would see her process and go oh my God you could do it so much better you could do it so much safer and when people are talking about what grinding is about and why it's called grinding that's part of part of the spirit of being a grinder is being open about your processes because you're hoping that someone will look at your processes and go oh yeah I see what you did I see how you made it better I can make it even better and even more why why grinder um so it it originates from uh a comic book called dror Sleepless and uh there's a you guys are dorks no they're not dorks awesome I want to be a grind it's not a bad thing but you guys are dorks and so there's there's a not dorks it's not a bad thing I'm a dor these are pioneers you're a dork too how dare you you're a dork I guess I am a dork cuz right you read Walking Dead comic books you're a dork
oh man that's int you tell me I have to read them dude you got to read them he's a dork that does not wrong with it man there's nothing wrong with being a dork don't be scared of being a dork okay well fine I'm a d I'm a dork too I'd rather be a dork with magnets under my fingers than not I'm going to be a dork I'd like to be a dork with a low it's not bad to be a dork but the fact that you guys call yourself Grinders out of a the a comic book that's clearly pretty dorky yeah yeah it is but it's not bad see you Embrace being a dork I'm I I think the term dork is a dorky term no it's an awesome term and that's what we were when we were out there looking for bigfoot we were too dorks you're right look at do dorks looking for bigfoot by the way having the time of our lives with fellow dorks there's nothing wrong with being a dork no disrespect intended no disrespect it's it's you know you're not taking yourself that seriously iing your your whole group after comic book there's nothing wrong with that yeah a part of a part of what we do is um is using we're still using the scientific method we're not just like sure we are well it it we're we what we're doing is we're putting our method out there for it to be criticized so that it's safe in in our community right and we're it's not uh you know cut yourself open with vegetable peelers and it's not it's not have it's not have the method be held up by the FDA for 50 years it's about knowing what the risks are as an individual and deciding whether to take it or not now that piece of plastic silicon whatever it is what what is that exactly made out of that you showed me earlier the chip oh that's that's a regular circuit board there's all sorts of bad [ __ ] in there for yeah what was it made out of do you know fiberglass copper metal plastic where would you put that inside a uh silicone silicone shape there's a bio prooof process like a sheath um like a condom silicone condom sort of a thing more like a uh something more secure you take a CNC you make a CNC mold uh reverse so this is an unpopulated board because all of our regular prototypes are being tested um on on who on on for function functionability heating it heating it uh crushing it uh exposing it to of crazy once we're
confident that we have like something that can handle the stresses that we think uh someone who would have something in it for for a year which is our goal like get it inside someone for a year and take it out um then we're testing bio prooof bio prooof is doing a pressure injected silicone mod oh wow that just sounds like it would hurt do you guys have in your that's not inside you you kid what what what I want to know though is like what part of the body would you install this thing well Tim's been talking about the forearm and why the forearm cuz it would be cool to look down at your arm and see LEDs lighting up underneath your skin W yeah so that's part of it you guys aren't just Pioneers trying to redefine Humanity you just want to have shining Lights under your skin and they want to capture some dork [ __ ] let's be honest we did I think that many different types of this is our jet I bet man if you're you're a super baller in the grinder Community if you walk around with a glowing implant under your arm yeah yeah do you guys have a uh in your community somebody who you know will put anything under their skin like somebody walks around jangling with metal pieces and lights is there is there a person who's got the most implants I don't know I don't I don't think we've reached there yet what's the most incred like the most extreme implant that you're aware of maybe Rich yeah probably uh [ __ ] rich rich what's going on with Rich so uh he's got uh he's got uh two magnet implants in his finger and he actually has um he has a coil like a huge coil that he uses to uh to be able to like hear radio stations and all sorts of craziness they're basically implanted earphones wait a minute he has so he has magnets on his fingers his ears in his ears his ears has magnets yeah yeah so he's magnets in his fingers in his ears is that what you said yeah he's got um he's got like two in his ears [ __ ] ears man that's scary yeah yeah dude operate on your ears mag and so what's the coil the coil is uh like uh any coil it's stimulating these magnets makes a magnet vibrate so he hooked up this coil to uh a little amplifier and that amplifier is sending sound through it wow like uh your standard speaker right you send sound
through a speaker coil makes a magnet jump back or makes a magnet uh force a coil back and forth and you make sound so he's using this uh sending electromagnetic waves to uh the magnets in his ears his magnets dance around and they give him sound so he was able to uh use a Bluetooth uh connection to his phone to hear his phone through his invisible uh earphones that's insane yeah so yeah it it sounds really crazy and dangerous but I think I think there's we're also trying to uh establish a precedent that that we want like we no matter what organization pops up there's going to be cyborgs in the future and I I think words I I think that that's what we're I think that that's what we're moving towards and I think that we want to move to a future where people are openly experimenting with themselves instead of having to go to One Source uh you know like company X to get their implants and I I think there's there's uh sort of liberation that you have by either making your own implant or knowing knowing what it was made of who coded it what the code is and and all sorts of stuff so in our community we share all of the information there's there is no weird outside control because everyone knows how it was built and if you don't like how it was built you can change it aren't you already a cyborg if you wear glasses isn't that already incorporation of Technology into the human body I try to avoid like the word cyborg because the moment that people start saying cyborg everyone's like you're not a cyborg cyborgs are this doesn't that mean look some someone made with a machine these things you have sitting on your face and that's how that's how you see better and without those you wouldn't see so good I I think of I thought a cyborg it means that it's part of you now you can't take it off like it's permanently in you yeah you've hearing implants those are first steps heing AIDS but you know what else is crazy and dangerous learning to build an airplane like think of the Wright brothers way back when when they were telling people we're going to try to make a device that makes us fly like birds frightened terrified people like are you out of your mind you're going to fall you're just going to fall to your death and it's true
there's an implicit risk whenever you're trying to create some new invention and if you wait for the FDA if we sit around and wait for apple or for Microsoft to get this stuff past it is going to be 50 years 100 years because we need you guys to turn a few of you are going to have to turn into the Toxic Avenger a few of you are it's true man you need it cuz they they've made themselves guinea pigs for the sake of our species it's I think they did it cuz they're enjoying it well it's worse than a 50e weight what's what's bad about it microphone what's bad about it thank you no problem um what's bad about it is the fact that there are people who can't afford what an implant would cost and um like with cell phones I saw cell phones be a tool of people who had tons of money and I saw that with every other technology and when you're talking about modifying your body in the ways that we're talking about it and it seems like it has so much potential to be a useful tool for people to make that something that's only available to people with large amounts of capital seems like wrong C has already addressed this and uh quite ACC accurately when he talks about technology being applied in the Cell Phone World he's like initially it was just a privileged few he goes now like 70 plus per of the population on the planet has cell phones you can go to the jungles of Africa you find people have cell phones people have cell phones Everywhere You Look So it starts off like it's really expensive but if it proves to be effective it becomes accessible to almost everyone which which is true but but if you look at if you look at waves of Technology right in the of Technology the people that get it first get to dictate how the technology is used and they get to dictate the political landscape right so my my uh so for example well you look at the cell phone users don't get to dictate the political landscape of cellones that's the one example producers yeah but it's not cell phone producers you're talking about people who buy them you're talking about people who can afford to use them now they're saying that they're saying that when you a cell phone is invented when Verizon builds a cell phone they get into an agreement with the in essay and there's code inside your cell phone that makes it so it's tracking you if
imagine imagine imagine that technology applied to to some kind of implant imagine if they came up with some neural prosthetic where uh you know the neural prosthetic that you can attach to your hippoc campus that allows you to record your memories imagine if the government invents that and has some secret code in it they can shut off your brain okay but that's not even what they were talking about they were talking about privileged people who have propriety propriety yeah owning ownership so like uh with cell phones you have chips that that are really good at decoding video really really good at it right and they're really tiny and you know they're also kind of cheap but they're not open for everyone to use so when you have something like the Raspberry Pi come along they have to beg what's a raspberry pie it's a handheld computer it's 35 bucks does everything regular oh yeah it's crazy like they like on Reddit it always pops up with some new thing that raspberry it's just a super cheap operating system right it's a super cheap computer it's a super cheap computer it's about the size of a credit card it does everything that computers should do so you can get on the net you can use it to do credit card um it's credit card palm-sized it's Palm sized it's a screen as well uh no you need uh screen keyboard uh whatever interface oh I see actual the CPU the whole deal the Box itself wow it's credit card size that's fing they had to make deals with uh non-disclosure agreements and make all sorts of deals to attain the technology for their cell phone parts that they're using in there that's not open to everyone so you know in that same way we believe that people will create better when they get the keys to the candy store and they can actually experiment with all the parts that are being used and being developed as much as possible we want to encourage that play playing that's interesting but uh what I was concerned with more was not the uh the people um that are going to profit or not profit from creating these things I was talking about people getting access to the technology itself and it seems like that's inevitable it seems like if it's effective for rich people it will eventually trickle down to the rest of the population no matter what as long as it's really worthwhile
but I I think that when you've got a a particular group of people always getting first access they can always determine how it's used and by the time the technology is democratized to a point where it you know First Advantage doesn't matter then there's something else because they're sitting on the capital from the last thing that came along so you've got this Perpetual cycle of well we're making it first so we always get to dictate the terms of which this this thing the legal and Technical terms by which this thing or this type of thing right but isn't that what Ingenuity is all about isn't that why people spend so much money on companies to try to develop products isn't that like sort of their MO the motivation the motivation is to capture the marketplace and to be able to sell this incredible thing that they've created so you're saying it should be locked down no no no I'm saying it shouldn't be locked down but I'm saying you I meant lock down in as in once something is created basically it's available to everyone it shouldn't be available just to this one person that created it yeah I think so and I I think I think that's that's the most ethical way to do it in in this case because uh when you're talking about augmenting humans you're talking about giving them additional information about the world and this is our most powerful tool ever and so when you when you're talking about supercharging this you're giving individuals an a a great advantage over others and with any other technology you know there's abuses if you look at nuclear technology right uh the Soviet Union and and the United States got to dictate foreign policy for how many years because they had that and other countries didn't and I I personally think that that's the scale of power we're talking about when you're saying like neural implants and and all of these really powerful devices I think that the first people that get it get to dictate how everyone else plays so you're essentially what you're saying is that these new technologies are going to be so powerful that once people get control of them they'll literally be able to enslave great groups of people who don't have them they'll have power over them they'll have advantage over them over them and they'll decide or could decide to use
that advantage to control monopolize the use of these Technologies monopolize the use of these human improvements these technological human improvements and they'll just hoard them all of themselves yeah I mean and not in any like has anybody ever done that with anything technology has anybody hoarded technology ever for themselves it seems like if you could sell it people sell it well it it never it never lasts long but what I'm talking about are the ram the the social ramifications of of people trying to hold on to that for whatever cuz for example everyone every Army today uses guns but we are still reeling from the cultural effects of one group of people having guns and another group of people not having guns right we're still reeling from from you know countries hating each other and and ethnic tension and whatever so it's not it's not so much about the tech technology it's about this is what happens when you when you try to lock it down eventually it's going to spread but you're causing damage by trying to lock it down right that seems to be I don't know it's it's a funny argument it's an interesting argument and it gets into uh a social engineering or socialism uh point of view where you got to go well how do you decide to distribute uh technology then how it hand like Ada fruit Ada fruit spark fun they're open source and they still make money well there it certainly is I mean I mean that's uh if any place Embraces open sources the internet and technology and you know of course Linux and Unix and there's always been uh an whole open source Community online but to dictate that that's mandatory that's where things get sketchy uh I you know what I'm saying I want I want I'm not saying that I don't want a future where corporations don't sell this I want people to have options I I totally understand what you're saying but it it goes against every other way we manage Innovation we the way we manage Innovation is people get copyrights trademarks and you create something and that becomes you and then you own that and then you can sell it or license it out to other people what you're essentially saying is that when it becomes to a human benefit now no longer do you have the option now you're going to distribute it freely to everybody and
I I say like you're you're you're regulating like in a way that has never been regulated before and that's a socialist idea and it's inter it's interesting um it's it's interesting and it's debatable but what you're what you're talking about is uh sort of a mandatory type of a thing well I I I don't want to I don't want to say hey Google you have to make this this implant open source what I'm saying is I want a future where you can either get Corporation X or you can go to the open source Community B but isn't that inevitable I mean that's what you have with cell phones I you can buy an Android phone or you can buy an Apple phone or you can buy some noname phone I mean I mean event if something is worth something people sell it to the point where you're going to have leaders in the marketplace but once it has once once the public has access those leaders are based on the market itself they're based on what people buy what they like what they enjoy you can't monopolize if someone when if if everyone's selling a similar product and one person's better that's the one that succeeds and that's that's sort of where we're at because of the fact that we don't just say when something comes along like hey everybody has access to this [ __ ] patents [ __ ] trademarks you know that that's literally against the way innovation has spawned human beings to this point in the first place but but there's other Mo there's I think there's other motivations than capital I think that the motivation in this kind of technology is so much bigger than money what you're talking about is achieving uh the ability with technology to produce emotions or to create psychic States uh that is a an amazing thing and that's an amazingly powerful thing so so's calling people yeah but I I you know what I'd rather have an orgasm helmet than a cell phone but it's look it's not either or it's not either or I'm saying is cell phones didn't get socialized and this technology shouldn't either well I don't think they're saying it should or shouldn't be socialized I'm just they're they're they're trying to make an open- Source version of this stuff I don't think that motor is going to do that for us I don't think they're going to do that for us knows what they're doing who knows but what I'm
saying is if you make it you shouldn't be entitled to distribute it to everybody if you want to but you shouldn't be you shouldn't be forced into dis I want I want a future of options and and and in terms of the technology coming out I want the open source and the closed source to come out at the same time because any any lag time between the closed source and the open source again it starts to produce produce problems so I want a future where people have options as to what they're going to get and I think that we've already seen problems with uh with Technologies being pigeon hold so that you know we can't have we can't not have a smartphone but we know the [ __ ] that's going on with smartphones right and so there's what what do you what do you do well there's a lot of problems with smartphones if you really want to get to the bottom of it the real problem is they're all based on conflict penals the real problem with smartphones is that you follow every smartphone down to its source and you got a little kid in Africa with a stick knocking rocks out of the dirt and that's real and that they can't fix that yet they really can't they don't know what to do yet so they they need these conflict minerals and they're not available in very very many spots of the world and the the places where they can get them the cheapest that's where they get them and that's why you have Civil War in the Congo that's why you have people fighting over these resources so you got a real problem besides the Innovation you got a real problem in the morality of actually owning a cell phone because everyone who owns a cell phone's a piece of [ __ ] if you really get down to the core of it I mean this just there's no way around it I I think this is this is an unbelievably fascinating subject and I think it's inevitable that uh we we have this sort of discussion in in this argument and I think what we really need is the idea of capitalism or competition merged with morality and ethics and humanity and in instead what we usually have is he who gets to the top of the mountain kicks everybody in the face that's trying to get up and in instead of like pulling people up with them and Humanity benefiting and and and sharing something like that in an open source manner because you think it's the right
thing to do instead of mandating it I think it almost should be a part of success itself that success itself sort of generates uh altruism it generates happiness it generates generosity it should it's like once you have some and you care about others you should give you should help you should boost them up and we don't have that attitude in this country unfortunately we have this ultra competitive attitude which has spawned so much Innovation because of it but along the way it's also made a bunch of [ __ ] [ __ ] you know a bunch of less [ __ ] just caught up in the hunt don't don't you guys think that the it's eventually going to be impossible to keep anything private and it's that it's like to even so we're entering into a future where there's really not going to be such a thing as Secrets we're entering into a future where everything will eventually be leaked in some way everything will either you w better I don't think money's going to be real anymore I think we're going to get to a point where there's not going to ones and zeros are not going to cut it as as far as you have this and he doesn't have that and I really believe that we're going to get to some weird place where just by nature of the the just the progression of Technology itself the dissolving of boundaries the access to information ones and zeros are all you have when it comes to money money is just information it's going to get to a point where the idea the Paradigm that we operate under we think it's important I keep my stuff you keep your stuff I pay for this you pay for that it doesn't exist anywhere else in nature we've decided that this is normal we're going to get to a point in time where you you're not going to be able to lock it down anymore you're not going to be able to hold on to money it's not going to mean anything we're going to have to decide what the [ __ ] to do with all the different shaped houses we're going to have to decide who gets the food but it's not going to be real anymore it's going to it's going to merge into some Next Level [ __ ] and that's the future of humanity I hope so too but then I hope people don't get lazy as [ __ ] because of that one of the reasons why people have done so well which is it's also arguable whether or not doing so well is a good thing but one of the reasons is that
that we've needed to succeed in order to survive I don't no I think how the [ __ ] do you think we got out of caves how do you think we didn't get killed off like neander how do you think we didn't become food for the prey we're weak and slow we just because we we innovated and we pushed forth and we we got the [ __ ] away from all the things that are dangerous we locked up cities we invented guns we did a lot of [ __ ] in order to make Innovation possible cuz if you go to places on the earth like the Amazon or like Africa there's no [ __ ] Innovation okay you're wearing piece of skin over your dick and you're looking for something to eat and that's what you do every day you get up in the morning early and you go look for something to eat because if you don't you die so my my my favorite my favorite example uh is the when we started growing crops right before most of our most of a human's time was spent looking for food right you didn't have time to ask you know Mom what is that cuz you were [ __ ] either hunting something or running away from something that was just about your entire life when you are now growing food you're now you now have a wide space in your day where you're not doing anything even entire Seasons where you've got food stored up so what do you do you start asking questions you start making art you start writing things down because you've got time now I think that when I think technology should be about liberating people to do what they want follow I'm sorry to cut you off but what you're saying this to me is one of the great uh uh naive ideas of transhumanism which is the notion that if you remove from human beings the need for something and other words because the ultimate goal of transhumanism I think is to T take to shrink down the moment between what you can think you want in the moment of having it to nothing so that you instantaneously have something whether it's by neurologically stimulating your brain in a way that's exactly identical to reality so you can experience any feeling state that you want or whether it's using matter assimilators to build some that you've contemplated and all of humanity has been based on overcoming the obstacle between those two things but in overcoming the obstacle you gain wisdom when you're learning how to like
play piano you don't just get to learn how to play piano you get to learn the discipline of years and years of working to play piano if suddenly we can download into someone's mind how to play piano if we remove that discipline then what Joe's saying is you end up with slugs but I I think that I think no matter how hard uh a dog tries it can never learn calculus there's just an upper limit you just no matter it can study forever and it just it won't happen and so I think that there are things that we just as humans we just no matter how hard we try there's an upper limit and so when you begin let's say downloading information there are some things you'll get easy but there are other things that no one's ever discovered that you now have to discover new ways to play that have never been even you know thought about ever so I think that that when you when you augment when you make yourself more intelligent more capable now now you don't have to do hard work to do what humans can do but you still have to do hard work to do whatever if I can explain it in layman's terms this is a technological version of More Money More Problems exactly that's what it is you don't make your problems far more complex like people thought you know what once human beings have supermarkets and you just go with a credit card you don't even have to bring around a bag of gold then no one's going to be depressed turns out people more depressed they're sad they're looking for meaning they're not hunting and Gathering their food they're missing all those those those rewards that are built into the human genome they don't get them anymore so what do they do they take Prozac and they drive fast and they watch stupid movies yeah well can I put it in More Money More Problems let me put it in nonl man's Burning Man terms if you take the Tibetan Book of the Dead one of the bardos or one of the hells in the Tibetan Book of the Dead is called the hell of hungry ghosts and what this hell is is these beings living in this weird place have this infinite appetite and anything they can think of to eat immediately appears in front of them so they have the combination of always being hungry mixed in with being able to instantaneously create any food that they want and that creates a hell state
where all they're doing is feeding and eating to try to quench this endless human appetite now obviously we're really far away from that's probably coming though I mean if you wanted to think of something that someone would invent that's without doubt inside the realm of possibility we already have boner pills for old dudes on their death pill on their deathbed they Chomp down a couple of pills and they got a zombie [ __ ] we already have that you're telling me they're not going to have something where it just keeps your hunger going you you never get satisfied you'll be hungry all the time what's your favorite thing to do isn't it eat mine too wouldn't it be great if you were hungry always and you could just be a professional eater all day without a doubt someid how we design fast food think about what people have done to their lips people would do that people blown up their lips putting magnets in their fingers no offense they would definitely do that I I think that that that's you if that's something uh negative about The Human Condition I if if we have that technology at some point then we would also have the technology to change it and that's another discussion whether we should get rid of the honic treadmill well I'm not even sure that it's a negative I'm just it's almost like a pattern I mean I think whatever it took to get humans to this point in history whatever it took to get us to what we are now was is an incredible process I mean from whatever we were from multicell organisms onto this thing with laptops that process is insane and the idea that that process just changes because we we add a chip and you know we it's no it's going to be there's going to be like a growing phase and then it's going to become something new just like it became this yeah if this is unrecognizable to some crazy nanal 50,000 years ago and it's what we will be 50,000 years from now it's probably unrecognizable to us yeah and whether it happens slowly or quickly what has happened in our lifetime man that the idea of of the internet crept up on us so damn quick that we all just accept it as a whereas if you brought any other time in history it's the most insane piece of sorcery and Magic the world has ever known just 20 years ago it would have
been insane just coning Conjuring a dragon the idea that you could have a little little glass box in your pocket that answers all your questions amazing you can send messages including video from people to people all around the world it's insane everything about it's insane inredible and it's just a part of our accepted everyday life slowly happen slowly or quickly whether it's be you know slow we think of it slowly in the course of human history it's a massive burst of innovation but in our lifetimes it's been 10 20 years and then boom it's all here but the idea that you're going to stop at that you know or that we should even resist the next level it seems pretty silly I just you can't resist it you can't stop it it's interesting to sit around and go what the hell is it going to be you know that's where it gets weird yeah and and we don't know but I I don't I don't think that uh primitive men could have put a person on the moon if they were still worrying about catching that pig what saying and whatever whatever aspirations we'll have in 10,000 years we won't get to that if if we don't do certain things yeah uh and and I think that a part of uh a part of humanity that I think we should keep is our need to explore and understand and I think that if we're still worrying about you know getting cancer at 60 we're not going to get there right I think it's inevitable that we still keep exploring I I really don't I don't that's it's why we're here it's it's a whole part of the whole thing there's no getting around that no you got a video to show us uh well we've got uh something queued up with uh Tim when when our buddy R CTO got his magnets installed uh he he got it on video would you like check yeah I definitely see that slap that up oh Jesus Tim this is Tim [ __ ] yeah this is Tim this is Tim oh my God what's with the sound [ __ ] don't know what's that sound hold on pause that pause that why does that sound like that what kind of soundtrack is on that that's so stupid kill the sound just play that because obviously there's something going on behind it we it might even be a movie wow who's the guy doing the surgery some [ __ ] they found him in Home Depot they were running around touching lawnmowers he's like hey I can do that for you he's someone who uh does
does tattoo work and he specializes in doing subdermal stuff wow shitty tattoos never trust a tattoo artist with shitty tattoos there's a thing called laser tattoo removal son look into it never trust a surgeon with shitty tattoos especially on his face T surgeons with tattoos on their face boy void you're going to go under in 10 nine I'm gonna [ __ ] you in your ass what okay so this guy is cutting and he's inserting this magnet into this dude's fingertip this it's a very very very tiny magnet yeah well how how would you describe it it looks like a BB that's been split into like sixes right that's how small it looks it's about 2 mm wide it's a little oh that's bigger than I thought maybe maybe a little less than 2 mm cuz that looks really tiny maybe it's just a perspective uh of this uh this video but that looks like well under a millimeter what's the charge for this procedure free gu crazy absolutely 100% free [ __ ] you up stick [ __ ] in your fingertips dep on who you get who you get that stuff done from but it'd be pretty reasonable it'd be a bargain price anywhere between 75 and 150 just like most subdermal uh Body Mods what is um when you're talking about the future when you guys sit around and you you bring up what's on the horizon what's like the big theoretical on the horizon does it have anything to do with like the kind of technology that we see in Google class being Incorporated in like maybe uh a neural sort of a thing so there was a there was a paper put out uh a few months ago about uh connecting two minds of rodents uh and so there was one rodent if I'm not mistaken in Virginia and there was another rodent somewhere in Brazil and they put this chip into the into the brains of these two mice and put them through an obstacle course and uh with a a roughly 60 to 70% um uh crossover rate the other Mouse actually learned uh the obstacle course of the other Mouse it was connected to do you know that's been done without chips though the rer chel wrote a whole book about it it's called The the morphic field and morphic residence and uh he wrote a book uh about uh dogs knowing when their owners are coming home right and uh people being able to tell when
people look at the back of their heads and it's fascinating sort of a theory but he um he showed that I don't know if it's been verified 100% so but I know he wrote that he showed that if you teach a rat in one place a maze that rats somewhere else in another part of the world will learn that similar maze or that same maze quicker statistically quicker right they've also shown that chimpanzees once they started venting um things to do with tools chimpanzees they've demonstrated like um a um an orangutang in in uh Africa learned how to spear fish by watching people do it there's a picture of this thing doing it and it's a [ __ ] it's the craziest thing ever well other rang tanks started doing it too they once once they start learning things it's almost like it's in The Ether it's very strange yeah this is orangutang separated geographically it's not like they could observe each other I don't know about orangutangs but the um the mice definitely separated Geographic that's what's odd about it but you know what I think man I don't think it's that they're learning they learn it and then it travels somehow through space I think the evolution sort of grows through us do you know what I mean like it's our it's it's something that's growing through humanity is are these new Innovations so it's not as though one or Aang figured it out and sent out a signal it's as though this was just a new phase that was coming through this form of that's very possible but the rang Tang initially I I I've confused these two stories pretty pretty badly but the uh the mice learned in separate parts of the world separate parts of they weren't connected whether it's a thousand miles or 100 miles whatever it was but the orang Tang were watching people the orang Tang started imitating people so they did directly imitate human beings but have you really stopped and think about when human beings used to be essentially very similar to orang tanks it was probably only like a couple of million years ago right that seems like a long time to us but in the span of the universe that ain't [ __ ] so the idea that a chimp could eventually if they kept moving and slowly innovating and changing and finding magic mushrooms and learning how to make fires with rocks they could eventually become some
kind of a human thing I mean we didn't used to be people that's a fact I mean pretty much established it's not like all of a sudden we popped up in this form you know figuring out holy [ __ ] we got to get away from leopards no we we we became this like slowly and steadily it's just the time frame for us is so bizarre to wrap our heads around with an 80 plus year lifespan to try to understand what a 10 million year period of development is we can't really we can't get our head into that we don't we don't know what that means and 10 million years from that with this stuff when it gets to that weird exponential technology thing that's going on right now we're going to be unrecognizable a hundred years from now sure well that's what I feel like Lucas is getting at by creating an actual an A A A pathway between two mins or between many Minds that we can control using principles we already understand I don't know intuition the way I know the way an electron's going to travel I know the way an electron's going to travel I don't I don't get intuition that way so if we can create chips where I can have something in the back of my head and I go like this and Lucas is like stop scratching your arm cuz I feel it yeah like that's an touching your butt how about that you're sitting around your house all a sudden no Lucas stop it no you're on a date you're trying to keep it together you you could get hacked with that kind of Technology somebody could hack into that seems inevitable just like you get there's like someone hacked Twitter today and I must have got a thou I'm not bullshitting a thousand fake tweets about diet and exercise oh wow I look so good for summer because I started doing this like those those Bots like a bot through and just infected Twitter I think the benefit of having a bunch of people develop their own Technologies infected together well no if you're developing your own Technologies for your own implants there's some sort of there's some sort of level of of security like some people use Mac cuz Hey Macs don't get viruses the way PCS do because people who want to write viruses are targeting PCS cuz there's more PCS around I think that is a blinking Oasis in the desert I don't
think you're going to be able stop anything from getting hacked theidea well first of all we've learned about the NSA and spying it's already shown that you can't you can't stop it they've already got algorithms in place they're already copying all your emails because of because of bottle bottleneck technology because because we can't invent our own internet there's we can only use that internet and that internet goes through certain filters well it's also because these [ __ ] corporations have given in to their overlords and given up the information I mean that's that's really where it comes down to I don't want to live I don't want to live in a future where I've got artificial organs and all of the information from that is being pumped out to some who the [ __ ] knows I don't I don't feel comfortable with that I want I want that information to belong to me at least so that I can do it with I what I want you know I don't want any advertisements because my liver is doing whatever or I don't want people to be able to shut off my li My liver cuz I'm not being a good citizen can you imagine that that's like an Ethan Hawk movie there'd be no Snowden yeah snowden's brain would have melted out of his nose by now they just turn him off man I'm sorry you guys I got to take a leak go ahead go to that coconut water crushes me every time thanks um where where do you think the end game is when it comes to all this biohacking stuff what's what's what's the end game like where do you hope that it all winds up do you have like a man I hope by the time I'm X years old I can fly I mean is there is there something like that I you can go first I see an endgame as as something way Larger Than People screwing with their body it's it's it's a whole bunch of different technologies that are happening all at once and the fact that we don't have enough resources on this planet to support the population growth and the amount of people that we do have and those sort of things add together I feel like when you look at a company like SpaceX and what space SpaceX is doing and and the fact that all these Technologies are leading towards longer lives uh the guy who's doing soilent the uh food substitute guy met those dudes met those dudes in New York really
awesome stuff yeah isn't it I drank it I was like what am I drinking and I think all that adds together and I think that you know when we have so many people and we're living a longer time and we have the ability to print anything we can conceive then maybe it's time for us to start moving out to space maybe it's time that we can handle 20 years over to somewhere where we'll be doing heavy construction work in zero g so that other people can come there and live and be smarter and move forward from there maybe it's time to start space colonization and space colonization that's where we're going are we going to be cyborgs that would be way easier for you could be like download your Consciousness into a robot and send the robot into space I honestly think the the smartest way to do it is to be a cyborg if you're going into space that's what I've saying every everything in space is is trying to kill any biological organism you can't you know uh Apes in a ttin can won't cut it I think that's what I'm saying uh and I think being able to withstand all of the crazy space weather space conditions yeah the conditions are insane I mean the the temperature is instantly death if you step outside unless you have a pressured suit if you get hit by any sort of a solar flare or asteroid you're done we're we're we're too fragile even for this planet that's why we've got like this stuff on us and I think motorcycle jackets and [ __ ] yeah the the idea of of uh colonizing space as this I don't think it's it's it's too dangerous do you foresee a future where we really do download our Consciousness into some sort of an artificial human being I I don't know uh I don't know enough about the technology to say anything definite I think that it's a cool idea but I've never seen anything compelling compelling and so I can't I can't really say it's a mind [ __ ] out isn't it the idea of like a little you a little Lucas running around made out of rubber and it's you your Consciousness is in this thing it's out there touching things and moving stuff around yeah and also that you could duplicate a Lucas like if you could download a Lucas then your Lucas could end up on the on Pirate Bay people could just be downloading you and then sending you pictures of their Lucas that they've put in some kind of habit Trail
but that that would definitely be another that would be another Lucas though because once you start generating independent memories I think you you start having different emotions different thoughts about things yeah that's going to be really weird when you have unless they all interface somehow or another together do yeah which which I I mean it is possible right I mean if you're dealing with look the the idea of sending someone a video or talking to someone through FaceTime or Skype in real time off your phone seems like the dumbest the craziest thing ever like that couldn't be possible that wasn't even on Star Trek oh yeah they never even figured that out on Star Trek but it's real the idea that you and your three clones or whatever they are could be experiencing life simultaneously and that you could multitask and that the the Mind May evolve to concentrate on one person or another these two sleep or these two are out you know and you're doing two different things at the same time and aware tuning in to either one whatever you choose sort of like touching your leg with your left hand while you're writing something with your right hand it's going to be a problem man you're going to have swarms of individuals there's going to be Rogan swarms like like gask Khan like you know gask Khan is responsible for like something like 5% of the population's DNA cuz they just you know he went on a party in spring in the 1200s and the whole world's never recovered you know imagine if you're doing that artificially well when you talk about stuff that's that powerful all of a sudden sudden it becomes really important who has control of that technology in the initial right but how do you enforce that it's a race it's a race hold on a second what it's cough this is a perfect opportunity to talk about it's cough because that's what he wants to create right is this whole Army if you guys he wants to create an army well not an army army but a whole group of people he does live forever um did you uh pay attention to the global future 2045 conference yeah I know about the 2045 guys what do you guys think about that um I I like that uh that they're working towards a a solid project uh because that's kind of rare in the
transhumanist community there's just a lot of sci-fi talk really and way too much just way too much too much that's funny there's discontent in the transhumanist community they debating on how to handle this correctly this guy know what the [ __ ] he's doing with his robots but uh I like I like the fact that that they have a goal that they're working towards I just I fear that uh there will be a particular group of people that'll that'll get it and then just [ __ ] us for eternity that's your big fear your big fear is someone else getting a hold of the goods first not not giving you the the super chip I I fear about the type of people that'll that'll get it first because the the world didn't farewell when a particular people set of people got the gun first that wasn't good for a lot of the human species well it was good for us though that's how you're here dude that's how you're sitting on the internet with a plastic microphone in front of you sucked out of the earth converted from oil I would rather I would rather not have to move forward with that sort of contention and fighting and just I don't I don't think is that inevitable I mean with Enlightenment I mean we have whether or not we've achieved Enlightenment we certainly haven't but at the highest levels of humanity I think people are probably more aware to tuned in today than at any other time in history and it's probably way safer today than any other time in history even though there's a lot of crazy [ __ ] that goes down on a regular basis if you compared your everyday life to that of someone living in Siberia in the 1200s when the Mongols came storming in yeah we live a lot better yeah it's pretty pretty goddamn good I and I think that a big part of that is technology and the access to information the access to information is Freer than ever before technology more powerful than ever before hence people are safer and people were more moral I really do believe that and I think the idea of people being moral is more accepted as not just something that has to be enforced in order to keep the peace but that's something that's beneficial and something that you should strive for it's admirable I think that that really might might not have existed on such a mass scale in the past even in the past
20 or 30 years I think we're dealing with like pretty unprecedented times and it sounds like really super you know optimistic but I feel like like one of the the byproducts of this technology that we're all experiencing is that we're experiencing a sort of mini Enlightenment and a burst of Enlightenment because of this information if that is the case I think that this kind of technology that it sort of dissolves more boundary I don't think it's going to lead to a constriction of the people that utilize it I think it's going to lead to a freedom of the species itself I really do believe that I think that if I look at the the trend even though everybody wants to think the sky is falling the trend doesn't indicate that the the sky is falling for some people in some spots and the apocalypse is right now if you're living in the Congo if you're in Liberia the apocalypse is today that's Mad Max right that's going on right now so but the trend for us here it's obviously not in that direction I mean it seems like there's always going to be a worst case scenario on this planet but that worst case scenario is far better today than it's ever been in history and the best case scenario was completely non-existent even in science fiction novels it's going in that way can't stop it yeah wait until one of these one of these people invent a swarm of Nanobots that goes flying out of their basement devouring toddlers I mean the thing is like I I like the toddlers toddler it's a fun word to say that's your thing you always go with dead baby but but but no I I think that when you're talking about this kind of stuff you're you're talking about acceleration I think you're talking about technological acceleration and wherever there's acceleration there's an increased chance of hurting yourself if you're on a skateboard going a few miles per hour you're fine if you're on a skateboard going downhill you can wipe out well humanity is on this technological skateboard that's exponentially accelerating and in that way the role of the individual becomes more and more and more intense which means that with this kind of stuff when the individual has access to the kind of technology that they have today they can do a ton of damage look at what happened
with those freaks all they needed was a pressure cooker and some ball bearings and they permanently they killed so many people and traumatized so many others in the same way 5 years from now I what happens with when people have access to this kind of stuff it is it is we we are setting ourselves up but you're talking about very unique in individual circumstances in comparison to the 7 billion people experiencing things completely differently all around the world the problem is that you're dealing with 7 billion people that have access to the internet or at least a good percentage of them and have their stories being told so you're hearing about instances all over the world simultaneously all at once we are not designed for that we're designed to taking information from our local community we're designed to take information from oh there's a band of dudes they're about a mile away on foot and they're coming here to [ __ ] our women that's normal that's what we're supposed to deal with you're not supposed to deal with a story about a guy in Switzerland [ __ ] his pig to death you know you know you're not supposed to deal with this guy in Detroit that's got a a fake Bigfoot in his cooler out back these are these are all you know this is this is just you're dealing with so many human beings an impossible number of seven billion and you're getting information from a vast number of those people so you're always going to get these freaks you're always going to get but it's still the trend the overall trend is way better than it's ever existed and I I agree with you there I I my hope would be that we become more ethical before we get the power to cause damage so we even though we're more ethical now any ethical mishap at this point would be a lot more disastrous it's not so bad when the most powerful weapon you have is a sword uh yeah well that's not true cuz gask Khan killed 70 million people with a horse and a sword and a lot of people a lot of other dudes with them but they did it with horses right 70 million people over his life Lifetime with horses but if the the scenario is you have 3D printers and let's imagine 3D printers in 200 years where now you can like molecularly assemble stuff and somewhere along those 200 years someone discovered antimatter
right so let's imagine that there's a way someone could create antimatter that when it met matter would dissolve the universe let's just say there's an imaginary technology that could open up you know what's what's going to happen a few people are going to die and then it's going to force everyone to learn how to be really nice to every everyone cuz everyone can create a [ __ ] antimatter bomb in their computer that's what I hope right yeah that's what I that's what I hope I mean they say a well-armed population is a polite population we're going to take it to the complete Next Level be a bunch of black holes all throughout our planet that were created by [ __ ] we're going to have to hop over on our way to 7-Eleven look that there's a black hole over there oh thank you something in transhumanism that people don't talk enough about I think is making people more ethical I think there's only talk of making people more capable and more intelligent there's no talk of making people nicer for the sake of just living in a in a more sane world because we're nice now but what happens if infrastructure goes away and we become hungry again and we've got lots of weapons around right what happens yeah and it would it would take a longer period to build back up in this state rather than if we were nicer and had forethought instead of having hunger automatically take over and be like well [ __ ] that guy he has food you know we I think that we should start having a discussion about uh making people more ethical uh and and being able to empathize with even other species because who knows uh who knows what we'll run into in the future and that might be important well that's interesting you brought that up because that was something that Demetri itoff actually touched on in uh the conversation that I had with him where he was talking about that being an important part of this whole movement and that the movement wasn't just about achieving some new technological State it's about elating elevating Humanity as a whole overall and I thought that was really interesting that he is taking that into consideration that's one of the reasons why in This Global future 25 2045 um that's what it was right Global future 2045 uh conference that he had he
brought in a lot of religious and spiritual leaders to sort of ask some questions of these different faiths to try to get an understanding of what their philosophies were and how they would incorporate this sort of new impending technology this transhumanism idea had it were it to come to fruition it was really pretty fascinating stuff I mean he didn't just take it from the technological standpoint itough really delve he dove into the uh psychological and the spiritual aspects of it as well which I thought was uh unique and admirable and probably pretty important if this thing moves further you're going to have some real ethical questions you develop immoral mortal cyber beings with skin made out of spiderweb silk that's bulletproof I mean there's already the transum Mormon they' already they already figured out how to do that right yeah the the transhumanist Mormon ass what what did you just say yeah that's that's that's a real that's a real thing just like saying gays for Jesus yeah there's that's hilarious transhumanist Mormonism yeah there's there's a subset of the Mormon Community the problem is if you're willing to be a Mormon you're [ __ ] willing to be anything it's just a matter who Rings your doorbell first you know it's like just sit him down talk him into anything you're a Mormon you believe a 14-year-old named Joseph Smith in 1820 found golden tablets that contained The Lost work of Jesus and only he could read them cuz he had a magic Rock no wonder why they're afraid of gay marriage you feel me cuz if someone could talk you into being a Mormon they can talk you into blowing them too that's the joke get it it's right out of my stand up God damn it got me doing my own material God you the you're a part of a movement right now um whether you call it Grinders or transhumanism or whatever you're part of a movement where you're focusing on a very specific thing you're focusing on incorporating technology into the body to improve the body and as long as you're focusing on that as long as there a whole Community focusing on that whether or not now it's just magnets in the fingers everybody's poo pooing it and saying what's the big deal it's going to come a time where it's a lot more than that whether it's some new invention of something that has
absolutely no uh rejection in the human body so you can add all kinds of things whether that some new technology comes along that radically enhances perception whether it's visual or hearing or thinking cognitive function the ability to read each other's minds as long as you both have the chip it's all going to happen right like you can't text message someone who doesn't have a phone okay but if they have a phone you can text them pretty easy and once we all have something like that in our head and it's like your phone will work with your friends phones OMG I'm looking at you right now and I'm writing this down there's going to be those moments where we we hit some Next Level thing that we didn't see coming just like we didn't see the internet coming we didn't see cell phones coming no one saw that [ __ ] coming again even Star Trek they had a [ __ ] walkie-talkie man Kirk out you had like say that and shut it flip it open it's so stupid they didn't see iPads they didn't see any of that [ __ ] and you guys are right on the crest of the wave right on the crest of the technological tsunami getting sucked into the singularity is we're all getting torn towards that waterfall you guys are in the canoes at the very front how far would you be willing to take it if someone came off with some real Steve Austin $6 Million Man arms and legs they just had to saw your [ __ ] off and put on some new ones would you be down if you knew if there like a whole bunch it was like fake tits where everybody was doing it if it got to that point I think if everyone was doing it we'd all do it yeah he came up to like a woman in the 1800s or he came up to a pil or something and said listen I like I like what you look like but I'm thinking maybe some bags of water surgically implanted under your breasts would you know you get a lot more attention around the bags soup they didn't even have bags they didn't have plastic but they would think you're [ __ ] crazy are we going to think I mean is that us looking at the future about like it's going to be standard like you still have your arms and legs oh my God girl what are you doing what is that yeah that that'll be the end of rape everybody's just [ __ ] Super Robot it'll be the new retro thing though to have every fight off everybody yeah I think that becomes it becomes an
expression of yourself kind of the way that body modification is already yeah you know I why would I replace perfectly good arms and legs when I could have extra or maybe something something now you're greedy see greedy [ __ ] trying to give you a super body like how about I have three dicks but by the way man you got forearms forearms would be great Shiva maybe that's what shiva's all about maybe that is the f is a futuristic Rob holy [ __ ] I never even thought of that maybe that's what that was all about some crazy transhumanist from the past maybe they figured it out a long time ago and they just barely wrote it down they were so high they they wrote down like a few passages in the Bava and then went back to eatting mushrooms hold on six AR is that what it says in but I do like that you ask somebody who has magnets under his hands if he would replace his arms with robot arms the answer is yes of course you would do it in a second even even if no one else was doing what if you couldn't enjoy like foot massages anymore would you replace your legs if they were just numb they were numb but awesome like jumping over buildings running 60 M hour but you they were numb you know you don't feel a good massage are you saying that if you had to pick grabs your butt you feel nothing I don't I don't think it has to be a uh a trade-off I think might have to be but if you keep your [ __ ] and balls but the bottom of your sack is numb the only the only way you feel your balls is if someone squeezes them but the legs on down fake as [ __ ] super powerful pistons and you know nuclear power jumping over trees you're saying I could jump over trees but my balls are numb I'm in the bottom the bottom of your balls are numb I take numb balls yeah [ __ ] I'll take all the way to the top would you think you would be willing to go through an operation though it removes your legs I mean what if they get operations like look a long time ago just something like a fake tit would you'd probably die if someone tried to do that to you you would die just from the fact they didn't know how to sterilize you you didn't have any way of putting you under sure it was would be nothing today but back then it was a serious serious thing today girls go back to work in a couple of days right
the idea I don't know why I keep going back to fake tits I'm trying to find a non-sexist way of approaching this in far as male enhancement but I can't find anything that's as standard as the craziness of male a female breast enhancement it's one of the weirdest things human beings do but to try to if we get to some point where amputating legs is like nothing and replacing with an artificial one superpowered I think that the difference between a breast implant and fake leg right is that already my knees are given out already my my legs are going to wear out stop right there have you ever seen a chick that's had three tits three kids rather have you ever seen a chick's tits who's had three kids everything wears out man we're made out of Flesh right way better if I said it smoother yeah missed opportunity I stumbled no it's too late we do wear out you're totally right there's nothing different between those two but we wear out yeah we do eventually your choice might be shitty legs or better legs that maybe that fix fix the um unders sack and you know come up with some new technology that even though the unders sack is artificial it has sensors and it sends it I would just like everybody here to stop pretending that if they had super powerful robot legs you wouldn't get your legs amputated and replaced by super I would what about the fact that they're numb that's a weird thing man want someone to do you're jumping over trees people already working on on Prosthetics that that you know that interface yeah that feel people are already and and we're working towards uh more sensitive Prosthetics so that you can feel more right and you can pretty soon I'm hoping that you can even dial it so that if you're going to do something dangerous or painful you can Di the pain down whatever it becomes optional at that point it why would you keep these these aren't modular you can't switch them they don't rotate with yeah why why would you why because they feel good when you hold someone's hands but you can you can always put over a layer of of soft stuff why not just pretend you're alive and jump off a bridge I mean it's at what point in time do we end this okay you're your your whole body is going to be this fake robot body and you're going to take what is the
memories of your life and your Consciousness and and download them into some computer chip and the the U rots and this dream U goes wandering around till your batteries run out yes thinking you're really living on a farm with The Waltons meanwhile you're a stupid thing with a battery you don't even know what the [ __ ] going on with your life meanwhile you're some you're like holding hands on the beach and getting foot massages while all of us are bounding through the universe jumping over buildings well I'm just playing Devil's Advocate but they're always those people that want to hold everything back and go what like those those [ __ ] that we were listening to science has yet to explain how a seed becomes a beautiful flower and the Yes actually it has dummy you know we were listening to these some of these religious people talking at that conference were just like the their ideas were so stupid and Antiquated Clinging On To The the Mysteries that have already been solved but in what we were talking about before those Mysteries that have been solved when we do understand the mechanism behind a seed becoming a flower make it even more fascinating because even though we understand the process now it's still wow that's cool before it used to be oh wow that flower is beautiful what a mystery I am so glad God brought this to my life now we're like isn't this incredible this seed got oxygen and then minerals from the soil and then it converts it into energy and then there photosynthesis and it grows and then the flowers blooms this is insane like the whole process behind it is like it's like so mindboggling and enriching like and as a human being that's one of the things that like really jazzes us up when we learn new [ __ ] when we discover new [ __ ] it's part of like the like when you tell someone something go whoa that's cool like we were talking earlier today about this um this discovery these uh scientists uh in uh Germany and um in Germany and America uh they have discovered um this new type of animal that used to be like an ancestor of the human being that's from 41,000 years ago they thought it might be in the ANL they thought it might be a Homo Sapien and it turned out to be some new thing that they didn't even know existed it's
called they're calling it a Dennis San based on where they found it and when we were talking about it before we were all like whoa cool W like there's a there's a part of learning something new and discovering something new that just jazzes us up yeah and that that's one of the things that brought me to transhumanism the the desire to see the Milky Way I mean learning that we didn't live we couldn't live long enough to explore the Galaxy was just to me as a kid was just yeah it was it was it was devastating because that's when you know you're a Super Geek because like you know I I grew up watching like Star Wars and and you watching Doctor Who and then finding out that we're too fragile and we don't live long enough to see anything it's like we can't what we do is we say what's over that Hill what's over that mountain let's go I know it's dangerous but there's nothing else to do let's do it and the fact that we we can't cross space because we're just too much radiation or there's you'll develop wrong or whatever that to me that was de devastating and unacceptable and I think that that that's just what other option is there but to move forward that's so funny that devastating unacceptable do you heard about the um there's a gentleman at the University of Connecticut that's the foremost scientist uh working on time travel Roy Mallet I believe it's Ray Mallet I forget I forget his name um but he's a professor and he started his work on time travel because his father died when he was a young man and he wanted to go back in time to save his father so this guy he's like a goddamn character in a comic book he's like character in a Spider-Man book and he's been working on time travel to go back in time and save his father cool that but it's those those things like where you're like I can't imagine that I'm living in a world where I won't get to fly in a Battle Star Galactica ship and fight the syons this is ridiculous I think that's what's beautiful about transhumanism is that it has the impulse within it is the same impulse that got people to go on the ships to sail towards a continent that they'd kind of heard about at they're R risking everything with no food probably going to die maybe the Earth just ends I think there's something beautiful about what you guys are doing even though I do
see it as a kind of self-destructive act I think when you put magnets under your fingers you you aren't thinking ahead you aren't thinking about what you're going to be like in 30 years you know you don't know you could says the dude who used to have a nose ring for like three days and I didn't get the nose ring infected and almost killed you you self-destructive bastard the impulse that to get me the nose ring was not the same impulse that drove explorers through the sea it was just being dumb and high in Venice Beach there's no glory to it what these guys are doing is glorious it's really cool it's just a kind of low it's a you have to start somewhere you know you got to you got to start somewhere you're starting with magnets in your fingers but by the way if anybody's listening to this the uh the the scientist was Ronald Mallet Ronald L Mallet ma l l TT from the pH he's a PhD at the University of Connecticut would would you like to meet Demitri Koff the man who founded the global future 245 conference and if so what would you uh ask him you first please what would I ask him I I would ask him uh or what would you say to him I mean it doesn't even have to be a question do would you would you have anything specific that you would want to talk to him about I would actually ask him what his uh what his vision of the future is if it if it all pans out perfectly in his view what would it look like because I'm I'm very interested in what his Utopia is I'd love I'd actually love to meet him what about you would you ask him I'd like to meet him I'd like to know what he thinks about where we're going as as a whole as a group of people who are experimenting with ourselves and and doing this stuff and I would ask him for the resources that we don't have when you talk about how um putting a magnet inside yourself you can't think about the long term well it's not that we haven't it's that the people we talk to who are Professionals in these fields they can't risk telling us the answers because they have professional certification boards that would say hey you're behaving unethically you're telling someone to do something harmful to themselves and they don't know the
risk they're taking we're yanking your license and so we don't get answers to questions that we need and I think a guy like itoff could probably put us in touch with a lot of people who have a lot of answers for things that could really help us out awesome dudes thank you very much really fun conversation uh really interesting stuff fantastic subject and uh thanks for doing what you're doing thanks for sharing your information as well and uh thanks for having us you guys have a great attitude about all this technology too and uh even though I play Devil's Advocate about it I I really think that ultimately that would be the best way you know if all we all had access but the problem is you know people are weak [ __ ] I tell you Grindhouse where ladies and gentlemen this podcast will conion good [Applause] [Music] night