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Jo check it out the Joe ran experience Train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day whenever whenever talk you talk to a rapper or any dude who has like a name like kid cuy you never know am I supposed to call you kid like Immortal Technique comes on the podcast all the time to this day I don't know what to call them I love that dude I love he's cool as [ __ ] I love talking to him but I never know what to call him do I call him Tech do I call him Immortal Mr technique so I had to ask you before this podcast started I said do I refer to you as kid cuy or do I call you Scott um I introduce myself to other human beings with my my government name Scott I don't walk up and say I'm K Cy um but no like I get Mr cuy sometime and that's a little weird it makes me sound like a stripper or something yeah Mr cuddley yeah Mr cudy Mr Mr cuddley is cool if it's like a check or something yeah yeah that's uh it's it's a weird there's not a whole lot of white dudes who ever pulled off the like the nickname like Carrot Top weirdo right Weird Al is always Weird Al it's always Weird Al Yankovic it's no hi Al Yankovic it's Weird Al right P P Diddy Puff Daddy Prince whatever a lot of black eyes pulled it off I mean you just keep going forever but like there's a small handful of white people that have ever pulled off the nickname Captain Captain I thought you going to talk about Captain Kirk Captain the captain and tal the kid goes deep into the 1970s drawer the captain and tal wow that's a a terrible band from back way back in the day Terrible by today's standards you know but back in the day people loved them do you remember the captain and team no no I don't remember what they sang I shouldn't even say they're terrible like cuz I'm being just a dick cuz I I don't remember any of their songs they probably sitting there like hey what's the big idea I believe one of them is dead Captain I think one of them got like some serious anorexia though I think the woman got Ser I might be mixing my stories up my from 1970s bands that I barely pay attention to but you want to talk about some people that got some [ __ ] stories you know the people that that grew up during the' 60s and
were like famous during the' 70s those are that's that's a strange Little slice of American life right there oh yeah you can imagine this is just a whole another way of living you know uh I think there was a lot more communication amongst human beings yeah you know like just you know just casual conversation it wasn't like weird noway if you even just say hi to someone walking down the street it's like what the [ __ ] it's like you're being polite like what the [ __ ] did you say to me well I think two things are going on one people are just nervous because there's a lot of news stories about terrible things that happen all over the world like most of what you get in the news is terrible things yeah so people always worried about terrible things when they meet strangers and then two everybody's [ __ ] texting and emailing and the amount of time you spend person to person has probably been greatly reduced yeah yeah for sure and and I'm I'd support you know healthy Brian just put up a picture of the captain now we know nice what the fu I need one of them caps my My Buddy Miles he has one of those caps he rocks all the time that's a good cap if you just letting everybody know you like to party Miles Teller Miles Teller he Wells he wears a a cap like that all the time that's one of those things if you walk around with a captain's hatat on and you're like a sober guy you're an [ __ ] miles parties he gets it in that's my guy sh like one of those dudes who doesn't smoke weed doesn't drink they don't do toll straight edge but you're wearing like an a captain's hat you're a [ __ ] idiot yeah it's not but there's something if you're like some Hunter S Thompson dude with a captain's hat on you're on masculine while you got a bottle of whiskey in one hand a bottle of VOD and the other that's I want to talk to that dude for real I'm hanging out with him yeah there's certain outfits that you're allowed to wear if you get [ __ ] up like the way stanh hope dresses like if Stan Hope was like a sober guy that he can't pull off that outfit you know he just he's hammered all the time so he's wearing this bright checkered leisure suit or whatever he wears yeah it's it's a every city he goes to a thrift store and tries to find the the most shittiest I guess suit you could possibly find well he has stuff
that doesn't fit him all the time it's like barely fits him he's awesome so uh dude you're a you're a young man you're doing very well everything is going well for you this is a exciting time in your life yeah man I'm trying what's it like to be kid cuy uh it's um it's cool man I feel like that's intrusive no no no I mean um you know it's nothing too spectacular I'm mostly like trying to stay creative and uh hang around family a lot and get family time in with my mom and my daughter and so like my life is split between that and you know creating you know it's a good balance I found the balance now at 30 yeah at 30 dude you're living the dream yeah it's cool man I can't complain even though the days I complain I realize I can't complain you definitely can't complain no I mean to be a professional Entertainer is probably the luckiest job of all time like you made it well it's really deeper than that I think to just have a fan base you know that's supportive is the real Ultimate you know blessing because you know guys get record all the time and you know some of their music is [ __ ] you know but then how dare you it's just like you know but then when you have you know you have a lot of artists that come and and you know end up having like a Grassroots following and they have a fan base that rides with them the entire career that's that's man that's a that's a blessing on top of a blessing you never know cuz today's audience you know these kids like you want minute to hate you the next like you want minute they hate you the next and to have a loyal fan base in that type of climate it's awesome yeah that is the thing that it used to be like if you were a a rapper or any kind of Entertainer you were only as good if you were a comedian you were only as good as the people got to see you out there like it was really difficult to to build a fan base if you weren't on something if you weren't on a television show or if you weren't you know a weekly a regular guest like The Tonight Show or something like that right it was really hard for someone to like build a fan base yeah but today because of the internet rappers singers musicians I mean everybody comedians all they can kind of keep tabs and just communicate with people like directly yeah yeah and I I feel like I kind of
was at the the beginning the early stages of that wave of you know just you know another way for people to find music online new artist you know music that you probably wouldn't hear on the radio um stuff that's Quality quality you know music and and now you know things are way more advanced even since when I started you know when I dropped day and night that was 2007 I think the only platform at that time that I had at my disposal to upload music was Myspace you know and that was literally how the world discovered my voice you know through my Myspace music page how did Myspace drop the ball so hard they had the World by the balls they had everybody I think um you know everybody I don't think I don't even think they' fallen off like that I just think that there's there's just so much there's just so much out there there overabundance of you know there like for every Facebook there's five more other Facebooks well there's always new ones coming out too it's got to be hard to figure out a new thing though like what's the new thing is it involve video what's going to be the new thing memes and emojis I think it's just a combination of everything just like you it's a One-Stop shop to just anything that you can you know dick around on the internet with it's possible through this app you know yeah probably right it I think it's also have you seen that new thing um that uh unbox therapy did a video on oh my God Louis from unbox therapy did this video of this new Iron Man Tech if you go to his page go to unbox therapy Iron Man for real I think it's called there's a YouTube video that he put up it's insane you're putting on these gloves or these uh goggles rather that cover your that cover your eyes sort of oculus riff style but you see everything I would see you clearly but in front of you there's like icons and things that I can move around I can open things and close them and you do it all with hand gestures so like as I'm looking at you if I had these GL these goggles on I'd be looking at you and I'd see these floating geometric objects like boxes circles and you can open them up and close them and move them around and they stay places like Minority Report style remember he's doing that on the screen but you're going to be able to do it like in the air right like when
when Tony Stark put that helmet on you can see a bunch of [ __ ] in front of him that's going to be like reality and in his words in Lewis's words he said this guy wants to make the world the desktop the world is your screen you want to take away screens and the screens are going to be the world you put this thing on and you just see through it and there's no more screens anymore everything you do you do through this this is his ultimate goal now there's a like do the glasses look all like [ __ ] gnarly like you know some super visor virtual reality you can see them they're right up there they're pretty big right now but so was the first phone you know the first the first remember those home telephones those giant boxes that used to have to crank call people up and they used to oh wow [ __ ] put cables into holes and [ __ ] you remember all that that was what a that was what an old phone used to be like but you know what this type of Technology you wouldn't want you know walking down the street or like on your every day that easily to access I mean people wouldn't you know what I mean like it's kind of like not that weird that it's kind of big and something that you got to like be stationary with at home I think that's actually saves Saves the World in some small way for for a few years yeah until like you know Apple figures it out to have it on your phone or something but they're going to they're going to make it in like a Google Glass form for sure well the Google Glass is is like just the smaller version of that yeah except you can't you know you can't you swipe and stuff but you can't really like manipulate the image in real time have you played with it at all yeah I got one I got one it's uh you know it's cool it's I mean I'm not going I went out in the streets a couple times with and I really noticed I actually tweeted about this I tweeted about cuz it was so funny to me my experience going out in public with Google Glass is people just really thought that I was either taking a picture of them or filming them and that when people are really concerned cuz there's no like recording lie and you could tell that there's a lens there you know and especially once you once people ask you what it is and you say Google Glass people have heard about it they're
like are you filming me and I thought it was interesting you know cuz this is something that like you know you might see a celebrity you know freak out cuz they're getting photographed or filmed trying to you know live their lives and do something with their families and try to have some privacy and then the public really doesn't understand why they might freak out and why that might be intrusive but you know it's it's a funny twist for me to walk in a place and all of a sudden someone's like oh are you filming me whoa whoa whoa like what are you doing and it's just like no I'm not filming a random person that's intrusive cuz I understand that that's intrusive but it is it's a potential option for the future that's what's weird about it but it just it was it was interesting to just see like that was besides people being like ooh it's cool can I try it it was just like are you filming me like are you filming me or are you taking a picture and H am I supposed to know that you're telling me the truth right you know yeah cuz you could just be lying and then even if I take it off it cuts off so it's not like you could see what I'm seeing when I'm doing it you know well they have little cameras remember Stan hope had that fox show way back then they had little cameras that would go on glasses like in the the eye the eyebrow part of a glass and he put his glasses on and he would walk into some place and do these pranks and they would the film was good enough to put on television yeah and that was a long time ago yeah yeah I mean I mean you can film stuff and put it up on your Twitter through the through the Google Glass and the photos are pretty quality I've done it a couple times wow it's going to get crazier than that right it's going to get to some point where you're going to be able to put contact lenses on or something like that yeah you know but I don't know if I'm I mean that's that's Wild Man Iron Man [ __ ] with contact lenses and they all have their own like they get charged with solar power yeah cuz your eyes are always open right get constant solar energy right technology in my eye though I don't know yeah I definitely don't want it right now but if it's awesome in the future you might be changing your mind yeah if everybody has it and it's awesome yeah you know I mean I would have always been tied to a
phone just cuz it's so dope like to have a phone is an incredible thing you know I'd rather have a cyborg arm before I have uh contact a cyborg arm you know what I mean but would you see the real thing about the cyborg arm it really freaks me out this is no [ __ ] it really does kind of freak me out I we we watched this video Once of a d from Australia that got his arm and his leg bit off I think I've seen that exact yeah yeah yeah it's amazing so this guy had no arm and no leg but he walked without a limp and His Hands moved around I mean didn't move as good I mean he probably couldn't play piano or something like that but moved pretty goddamn good a lot better than the old ones that came with like the hook style old ones and I was thinking like this guy is still a person 100% human but he has an artificial arm and an artificial leg like what what if the shark bit everything but his head and they took his head and they put it on artificial body what would that be that is that still a person I guess it's a person it's got a person's head but what if they said listen man th this transfer of your head to this artificial body is not working that good your body's rejecting it your head's rejecting the body but the good news is we can completely duplicate your brain and put it in this artificial head so to be like your brain except better because it's never going to get a old and it's not going to rot away like well are you a person then no cuz I think your soul is just gone at that point I would like to believe that too but imagine if that's how people were essentially created in the first place just what if they slow improvements what if they what if they go okay we're going to take a snapshot of your brain right now because we're going to transfer it to this new body so anything after this point you know you're not going to remember so then in for like 10 minutes before they like pull the plug on this body you can just abuse the person to death that's you you would thinking somebody thing to do to your body not the existential angst of dying and having no soul you're thinking about playing with someone's ball asleep and you're 40 congratulations speaking of cameras Joe I just got one added to my car so it records everything now that my car does and it does it on
GPS and then when you watch it on your computer it shows uh real-time Google Maps and like a 360 view of your car 180 view your front wow that's pretty interesting yeah it's called roadhog Hawk hog H H and what it does is you just put a memory card in there and it constantly records HD where the cameras the camera is like this little box that looks like a baby radar detector that you just put uh underneath your uh like behind your uh rear viw mirror you know so you just put on the windshield right there and uh you have to run power I just plug mine into my cigarette lighter and it connects the GPS and it records on a memory card where's the cameras that right angle l so it gets everything in your car the front of your car and it also gets sound it wow and and it tracks everything cuz I I was just tired of driving around Hollywood like going to The Comedy Store every night and then and then like almost getting in car accidents crazy crackheads like jumping in the street like all this [ __ ] happening all the time I'm like something's going to happen soon you know and I don't have this people have to see this well you know in Russia that's when they had those uh those meteors they caught those that's how they caught them they caught them because those people have dash cams apparently um like fraud and like that kind of [ __ ] like accident fraud like super common in Russia like they pull Shady moves all the time so a lot of people have those little cameras on their Dash to make sure they can resolve disputes you know like there was a thing that was going around in California for a while where people were suing people they would get an accidents on purpose a bunch of people died from it they'd get on the highway get in front of you and slam on the brakes so you slam into them and this one dude who was an illegal alien this so it was like all the Republicans were up at arms when wait these illegal one illegal alien does something Shady everybody freaks the [ __ ] out but this uh this dude had uh done it a couple of times he had done it a couple of times and you know that was his move that's where he made a lot of money just get in front of people slam on the brakes CRA yeah but you know that's a risky [ __ ] move too [ __ ] but
when you ain't got nothing to lose it's like [ __ ] it yeah I guess it's just they're uh playing the lottery in the promised land yeah it's just very very strange that's the item that's the item see right there is uh where you put the memory card in and big it is kind of like uh it's hard to tell perspective wise it's it's like yeah it's little a cell phone size basically and you just like I can't even barely even see Mine mine's hot hidden behind my mirror it's like a disposable camera that's probably the best way to describe it it's like a disposable camera and what's cool it does like a DVR Loop like what the what like security companies do where they have to film everything like a jewelry store or something it just when it gets to the end of the memory card it just goes back to the beginning unless you pull it out and save the files it's just a records over records everything over and over how long before people start making porn with those I knows like but you know what it's also great it automatically turns on so if you give your card to like a valet or something you could hear what they're doing doing in your you could turn it around nice that's the new that's the new that's what I'm get it for that's what I'm getting it for that's right send me the link valet porn valet blowing each other in your car get out to your car you're like what the hell but I oh I'm reviewing it right now I have a review website now so you have a review website now javal lamps.com oh that's good it's good you you stopped doing that for a while yeah I lost my I lost my Amazon account how does that work man did you ever try to get it back yeah I tried three times with uh my LLC uh social security number or whatever the business ID number I tried with them so it was completely away from me I tried everything and finally they just let me through because of this Java lamps thing so they did let you through they just finally did after about four years of not letting me do it is it because you changed the name of your website I guess so website and everything I don't know how annoying yeah yeah it seems like there was a weird thing it was like they're upset at you cuz you're connected to porn right because porn stars on Death Squad that's so ridiculous yeah there's nothing wrong
with porn stars nothing nothing well see don't they sell porn I mean if go to amazon.com don't they sell porn did you buy porn s vibrators they sell Hatachi by the way did you see Missy Martinez our friend Missy who does kill Tony with us a lot of times she was on TMZ cuz that her Hatachi blew up in her [ __ ] okay did it really blow up in her [ __ ] or did she blow it up in her [ __ ] and make it the equivalent to the Mexican dude slamming on his brakes on the highway it was was it the vibrator equivalent um it what happened is it's to the breaking crash what happened is it started sparking and flames and smoke start coming out is footage did she start screaming yeah the pussy's that good that's why it's sparking oh no there's the Hitachi though and what's weird is that this is not there's nothing new about this if you look online there's tons of uh Hitachi blowing up in uh porn stars F yeah because it's it's the only vibrator that you plug into a wall so it's like it's like the dumbest like cuz it's really for your back cuz it's supposed to be high powerered but like girls are getting so numbed down there that they're using these Hitachi these high powerered ones that just like shave off the walls of their vagina can't just do it anymore yeah say cutting it that's oh my God they take things to the next level it's just like when we were talking about bodybuilders of like the 1960s in comparison to the bodybuilders of today I think it's the same way with like the way girls beat on their [ __ ] absolutely I bet in the old days just a little spit in your fingers they didn't need anything they didn't need anything their vaginas were super sensitive technology [ __ ] things up so did circumcision [ __ ] things up for us apparently if you don't if you don't have a forkin the head of your dick gets like kind of just abused it's always bouncing around inside your underwear and like having a foreskin the reason why men are upset that they not just the fact that it's ritual genital mutilation that doesn't make any sense but also though that it it kills the sensitivity in your dick yeah but I mean that's great would you like your dick to look like Clint Eastwood and not like [ __ ] Ryan stust or something that doesn't make any sense cuz you're
beating the tip of your dick up I mean if you look at your dick it looks like if you're beating up your dick and it looks like Clint Eastwood today are you talking about Clint Eastwood from the [ __ ] Outlaw Josie whales days are you talking spaghetti western I'm not talking about porch one the handsome CLE Eastwood not the crazy looking old man get off my talks to Obama yeah well he talked to Obama that was the do you remember that get off my Porche do you remember that [ __ ] that he did on TV where he sat Obama down no you didn't see it you see it oh you should watch it you watch it we'll pull this dude yeah we'll put it up this was recent oh my God it was during the presidential elections he pretended to sit Obama down on stage and improved it didn't have anything poignant to say but improved it it was so incredibly disrespectful it was so he was just pretending to have a conversation with he sat him down below him he didn't just have a conversation he wasn't like pretending to have a conversation with Obama where they're looking eye to eye like men no he sat him down in a chair and started to it was just strangest [ __ ] thing ever this is it here yeah yeah yeah he was uh having that thing and they were talking about Hope and change and they were talking about yes we can and and it was dark and it outdoors and it was nice and people were lighting candles and they were saying uh uh you know and and I just uh thought this is great I mean everybody's crying o crying and uh I was even crying and then finally I haven't cried that hard since I found out that uh there's 23 million unemployed people in this country and he sat him down here to cry for because where is a disgrace National oh home tomorrow morning no you got to back it up cuz that's the chair like he puts him down in the chair you thought that you were running for election no no no back it up a little bit more Poss now it may be time for somebody else to come along and solve the problem so so Mr President how do you uh how do you handle uh how do you handle promises that you made when you were running for election and how do you handled uh how do you
handle it I mean what do you say to people do you uh do you just uh you know I know people uh people were wondering you don't you don't have okay well I know even some of the people in your own party were very disappointed when you didn't close gitmo and I thought well I think get closing Geto why close that we spent so much money on it uh but uh I thought maybe it's an excuse oh what do you mean shut up okay just I thought it was just because somebody had you want to watch the whole thing no it's worse than I remembered it's worse than I remembered I remembered it being bad but holy [ __ ] I like how cing in like jump to like the MTV camera where they're in the audience and it's all shaky like to try to make it more like entertaining him talking to a oh my God so ridiculous what the hell is he doing he's being an old dude that's what he's doing yeah being an old Republican dude they get all crusty conservative not like then they don't like the youth the young of America like yourself didn't he just do that movie didn't he just do that movie though uh what was it um where he's like the movie you were just talking about really pissed about people being on his porch what was that movie called again I don't know it was it was named after a Grandin El Camino is um El Camino Bumble Grand turiso El Camino is the grand no The Black Keys The Black Keys have a a CD called El Camino yeah don't they I think so yeah yeah yeah El toito whatever it was El Torino brooo did I no I had a friend whose girlfriend had one of those cars way back in the day that was a goofy ass car that was back in America just made these houses on wheels they made a living room they just drove around and these big old [ __ ] crazy American cars man yeah that was a a movie about what it was like about immigrants wasn't it I don't know if it was people moving in his neighborhood some I've just seen the previews I don't I just remember seeing that in the preview him being really pissed about kids being on his porch yeah that's all I remember too but I mean I was sold I mean I wanted to see it I just never got around to it maybe
I'll check it out um I think you got better [ __ ] to do you I don't know seeing Clint Eastwood being pissed about people being on his front porch I mean he had a shotgun in his hand too remember on my porch well do you remember when Clint with did a reality show a lot of people don't remember that yeah mhm yeah clw's wife was on a reality show before he got divorced he divorced her but she was on a reality show and it was like some knucklehead show was ridiculous but was he on episodes I don't remember if he was on it I never watched it but yeah it's one of those things where like the wife wanted to do it and he was like oh okay he finds himself in some ridiculous situation have you ever met him no I always see him in Bourbon cuz I I I think he has a studio at Warner Brothers so he's always walking on the sidewalk out there and it's weird just driving by going that dude that guy gives a pass from for Life For Me For The Unforgiven that I think is the greatest cowboy movie of all time oh yeah that [ __ ] was like it was so realistic So Dope that was such a good scary ass cowboy movie that was Clint East with his finest yeah you know I just love how he's just like I don't live that that no more the whole movie is just like I'm not that guy I love it and then they just dragged him in spoiler alert oh yeah that's not tell him but he's like one of those dudes that becomes this old guy and then he becomes like super duper conservative yeah you know there's a bunch of those guys like Cosby's a guy like that he's like super duper conservative now John Voit yeah you know I mean that movie though is one of is one of my favorites especially Morgan Freeman too one of my favorite Morgan Freeman movies [ __ ] yeah yeah yeah man that was just a perfect movie like diog everything yeah yeah just the way the I mean I don't want to give away the ending but the way it all goes down so much more likely than most of those stupid shoot them up movies yeah just that was much more probably like what how the way people would behave oh yeah oh yeah it was and it it ended up getting messy in there but I like how it kind of just started off like real chill and you kind of just you
know oh hey yeah I'm here yeah that was a that's a fascinating look at the old west that was like almost like he did did it like he did all those westerns back in the day like The Good the Bad and the Ugly and fun movies yeah but they weren't super realistic you know and I think as he got older I mean I'm just speculating but he wanted to do one more that really got it right like the way they make movies today as opposed to way they made movies back in like high Plaines Drifter days did you see True Grit yeah I saw both I saw the old one and the new one it was not bad new one it was not bad it was not a bad movie I like it's just whenever you have movie where you're redoing an old movie people are harsh you know yeah yeah I mean but you know I feel like it kind of brought some of that realness that you know Unforgiven had yeah it definitely did yeah there was I mean it was a good movie for sure there was a lot of fun [ __ ] going on in that movie but godd damn man remaking a John Wayne movie is hard yeah yeah yeah I mean you know Hollywood they do what they can I mean it wasn't like you know most of the [ __ ] that comes out that gets regurgitated you know it's got to be hard to make movies man you know one of the beautiful things about do you write all your own lyrics yes thank God I've been blessed with that ability you know uh a lot of guys don't see think of that just think of think of that like how happy you are that you write all your own [ __ ] and imagine this is you're a oneman situation you know if you want the kid Cy experience you only go through one door there's no one else there right so they go to you but you don't have to worry about the producer getting along with director getting along with the actor the network has notes or the studio rather has notes about the script the screenwriter wants to change this and the actor wants to improv that and you're managing it out with a [ __ ] makeup lady who's [ __ ] the hairdresser and everybody's doing blow after the sets closed down look who it's craziness man making a movies it go down like that in music though too you know if I did I know my career is just purely my vision and stuff so it's a different it's a little unorthodox and you know what most people do you know the average you know pop star it might be about you
know six people involved just to get the album together you know somebody to get songwriters somebody to get uh uh producers in the room you know um and then it could be chemistry's off you know this person might not mess with this writer and this producer might not mess with this artist and there all this going on and I'm pretty sure it gets messy but this just I've just been blessed not to deal with that you know I have a I had an idea of you know what I wanted my career to be and I've been sticking to that that goal and that plan you know and what what was the idea if you could give us like a one line of it man I really just truthfully wanted to tell my story and hopefully it inspired others to not feel alone you know and and and understand that they could persevere or through anything you know and at that time and writing I I like to tell people I don't even know if I believed half of the [ __ ] I wrote you know like when I when I made Pursuit of Happiness I was hopeful for happiness but I was in such a dark place that that song for me was more of a nightmare more than you know supposed to be a happy uplifting song you were in a dark place how so well just like I think coming to terms with uh just the fame Factor you know I always always felt like I would get some type of recognition you know I didn't know uh to what magnitude you know people say like oh you know you know what you signed up for but like you really don't you know and you kind of have an idea and you feel like oh it' be cool but like I didn't I still to this day I don't look in the mirror and see myself how other people see me you know so I never I never could prepare myself for for what came and everything came so fast you know I had so that that brought on Darkness yeah because I just I wasn't comfortable and then I had to you know I was in a place where it was like all this pressure all of a sudden uh to be something and to deliver you know a certain type of quality and these are things that I've stepped up to the plate and and I was excited about doing but I didn't know that it would stress me out to that magnitude that it did you know uh I just didn't know that many people would be watching and that and paying attention or care that much you know what was the number one consequence uh I just think
I didn't I didn't see it being too too big of a consequence that I couldn't deal with you know losing a lot of my freedom but now that I have a daughter you know I just worry so more about her now you know and and I just want her to to have a normal life and I want her to you know have that opportunity and not now I think about it more now than I did then you know before she was born yeah I'm sure yeah I have children once you when you have children it really becomes more about them than it does even about you in a lot of ways cuz it's like the way you live your life is now always going to be like what's the best way for them and if it's not that way you're going to feel sick you're going to feel like you're doing something wrong exactly exactly yeah it's it's a weird situation when you bring people into this world you're responsible for little tiny people and you got to you got to teach them [ __ ] and raise them and oh yeah no one it's really hard I mean I would would say no one cuz I think people are capable of intellectualizing it but most people have no idea I should put it that way how intense the love a person has for their kid is yeah it's pretty intense yeah I mean it's it's something that you know you have to have you have to have a child to experience you know you can't explain it you know it's it's just I mean my daughter is man she everything man it's also why like when you see kids that are abused it's so extra disturbing yeah cuz it's almost unimaginable who would do that you know who would do that to anyone's kid and who would do that to their own kid it's just you know I've met people that have their parents beat them and it's a [ __ ] weird place to be talk to someone who the person they love more than anything beats the [ __ ] out of them when they do something wrong oh yeah oh yeah you know there's the difference between a whooping and then a beating well this Adrian this uh NFL thing the guy who beat his kid with a stick you know and the excuse is that I guess like when he was young that's how they treated him that's how he was raised like I don't know what the kid did that was so horrible how old was this kid do you know man I don't even be reading into that stuff really young right like nine or something like that well what whatever it was when you know
when they talk about it they said well this is the way he grew up which is true but man there's got to be a way to end that cycle you can't be beating kids with sticks in 2014 I mean everybody should know that by now I just think it's a cop out for people to use that as an excuse we like that's how I was raised even like just with anything you know cuz that's just a cop out that's just somebody not wanting to change and grow with the times I mean if we could find any way to be less violent we should try it yeah certainly anything where there's victims involved especially if the victim's a little kid and you by the way if you get kids used to the idea that the person they love the most their parents is a person who's going to beat them and hit them with things you are introducing violence into that kid's life at a very early age and that violence becomes a natural part of the world it becomes something to expect that's why they say that you know people who are around their parents um beating each other up are more likely to be involved in abusive relationships when they get older they say it's that kids people who are hit by their parents or people watch their parents hit each other and we hit by their parents it's even worse apparently yeah it's awful yeah I mean who's to say I mean my mom spanked us you know but she had three boys to deal with by herself majority of the time you know and I mean it's not like you know I I don't I don't you know look at my mom as a villain and you know but she didn't beat us I can't say like I've been beaten by my mom like I did some some ho ass [ __ ] you know my mom reprimanded me and I'm deserved it you know when you're doing some sucker [ __ ] as a kid you know especially before you do it you know and you know that there's a a consequence that comes with that but I've never um experienced that you know uh what I'm pretty sure a lot of people are you know talking about right now which just like thinking it's okay to beat up on your kids but like my daughter's 4 and a half I haven't had to to repr her in that way and I never will you know what I'm saying that's just not how I do I think it's a different situation too when you got a single mom dealing with young Sons like [ __ ] can get really unruled that's what I'm saying it's like totally but even in but
even with that it they weren't beatings right it's a what I'm saying so yeah it's like a difference man yeah there that is a big difference and that's that's something people don't like to admit right it's never good to beat your kids but if you're a young woman who's raising young boys and they don't respect you [ __ ] I got yard sticked you got yard sticked yeah my mom had a yard stick where'd she hit you on my ass but it never hurt like she would smack and I like oh okay I deserve that right just more humiliating it's not like strip down naked you know after you're out the shower catch you off guard you know take the yard luminum heat it on fire till it's [ __ ] white hot none of that I saw a video of these [ __ ] idiots one kid put an iron a hot iron they lost a bet the kid lost a bet so he put a hot iron on his back like and left a mark left the iron Mark oh that's for life too that's not going most likely [ __ ] college kids Man kids today and kids today that are trying to make videos of all this [ __ ] too that's like half the thing that they're making videos while they're doing this stupid [ __ ] that's the motivation it's like let's show people how [ __ ] idiotic we can be we star we're lucky more people aren't dead seems like people just be killing themselves accidentally left and right trying to make these [ __ ] videos did you see that video I'm not sure if it's 100% real or not but the girl boils water and then films her do taking this huge thing of boiling water and pouring it over a dude's head and he's like there's pictures of him just he's been in the hospital with like all these Burns all over his body from just from like ALS uh yeah it was like ice bucket challenge by boiling water yeah are you serious yeah totally serious I'll find it for you if you I don't want to watch that oh my God people are so stupid I I bet it's probably real I mean I don't know if it's real but I bet it's probably real people are dumb as [ __ ] man [ __ ] man that saddens me yeah [ __ ] that's not cool yeah you can over hear some conversations that'll make you lose your faith in humanity yeah if you imagine if you were there in their goofy ass backyard by thinking about throwing boiling water on this kid yeah You' be
like you know that is going to [ __ ] you up for the rest of your life like you're going to be covered in scars like that might as well be Lava you idiot yeah that's like that's how like your your life has changed forever after that yeah I mean at very least is going to be some pretty significant scarring right boiling water the medical bills for that you know just the pain and suffering just for one stupid ass video where people can think you're an idiot have scarter tissue on your face for the rest of your life because of it oh so were these kids uh you know rep like were they reprimanded and and yeah it didn't really get into that part it just showed the video of the girl doing it boiling the water and doing it on him and then so this make the news no I think it made the news cuz there was a there was a photo of him later where he's just sitting there all burnt like and bandaged up his whole body's all [ __ ] up D [ __ ] man what is this desire to make these [ __ ] goofy videos it's horrible and bullying now has taken it to the next level because kids are all filming them bullying people and then putting it online so now it's what do you mean bowling bully bullying bullying bully CHR sorry bullying I'm like they're going bowling they're going bowling I thought there was like a new thing where you like roll in a fetal position knock people down like pins I was really trying to figure out what you were saying but yeah but people are taking videos of them beating up other kids and then putting it online and sharing it around the class and stuff so now you just see these videos of these poor kids getting bulli well how are these kids not getting in trouble I mean can't they they are they are now but the acts are already being done we live in weird times weird times it's like we were talking about earlier about people worrying about your Google Glasses recording them people they're recording everything and kids are growing up with that it's like a part of a normal part of life you know when you when you first got into the internet would you say you were in your late high school days when you really started getting into it yeah yeah cuz that was I mean we ain't had no you're 30 now we a have no computer except at the schoolhouse so that was
the only time and then you couldn't really explore that much you know it wasn't much out there because well there was stuff out there but I mean the teachers kept it restricted you know there was go to and you know you could you couldn't watch porn and stuff which big bummer back then a big bummer can do they can block stuff now in schools right do they block stuff at universities sure do they have to man I mean the Internet is just so much more on there now than there was back then but do they allow like porn sites like in dorms can kids get download porn well I mean there's I mean you don't even have to go to a site no more you know I mean yeah but you well yeah I mean you don't but you could always just download it right from like a torrent well you could just Google porn and it'll be right there right that's true yeah but I was just wondering like whether I'm giving out tips guys by way take this what's your favorite tip you just Google it and it's right there it's there which camera do I look at which one is the one behind your no here it's right there it is right there dude you're a natural pitchman from the internet yeah you should be like the internet's official spokesperson man they need to hit me up let's go so you know getting out of high school and then growing up like essentially like your young teens your 20s all that like being able to like get online at school and then being like completely immersed like being a part of like interactive communities talking to people that's you know the you're like one of the first generations of musicians that's able to do that that's able to go like directly from high school into communicating online with people releasing stuff online and then you know becoming a part of this first generation I mean there's a bunch now there's like a lot of artists that are becoming really well known because of just interacting with people online yeah not even not even putting out any music just being online and you know you know whatever having an identity on on on the internet you know yeah there's that too right that's something that people value about you as well it's not just that you know they like your music they like you they like to talk to you you know what I'm saying
like you've got a cool person ality like you're a cool guy thank you you're a cool guy on social media you know you're yourself yeah you know I think that's important no I think it is my job and my calling to also show the world a different type of person in the position that I'm in you know someone you know it doesn't isn't really big into conforming because of my job because you know of the people around me because of the people work with you know I always tell people I'm I'm a human being first before anything you know you're born naked you go in a really nice suit you know and and everything that happens in between is just Madness and we figure it out along the way but you know it's it's really interesting how a lot of people just kind of like you know get this this blessing this job getting this business and they just you know get really caught up and I never wanted I never wanted to be that guy and and the beauty of Twitter it's like first I was really against it cuz it just was so much you know unfiltered and I've learned to appreciate it like literally I get a lot of confidence just by looking at my feed and seeing maybe a couple tweets that are like yo man keep doing it right and I'm not necessarily doing anything right now I don't have any music coming out but it's just a random Tuesday and there's some kid in Minnesota that's like yo I [ __ ] love you dude keep going we're listening and I might have needed to hear that that day you know so like those kids don't know that that means that much to me and and it does so like I I wasn't really that big with talking you know and and having such a presence online cuz I was weird about it but now that I got a grip over it it's it's no problem for me I love that I can you know just hit up a kid randomly and just make their whole year you know and just give some confidence or something that's using it for good you know rather than me posting a picture of some jewelry or some new thousand sneakers I bought that doesn't do anybody any good other than being like damn I ain't got [ __ ] you know that's the reality that people realize and then it's like well I need to do what I got to do so I can have what he have and I don't want people to think like that you know like when I post I like to post like you know
maybe my lactate milk or you know like so does this come from like lessons that you've learned watching other people and but like their behavior you felt like the shortcomings of their behavior once they became famous oh yeah man I watched everybody around me you know and I think and I and I and I kind of use I want kids to look at me at and understand what not to do you know when I was dealing with my drug issues back in 2010 2009 you know I was just heavy in cocaine and it was like a big thing for me yeah okay and it was like a really big thing for me and it was something that you know kept me level something that I felt like I needed self-medicating and uh you know so you felt like cocaine kept you level Yeah man cuz I had this whole technique uh where I don't know if I even should get into this I don't even want to talk about this [ __ ] run around and talk do it you know but let's just say I I got into like you know uh what I would call like you know a trifecta which was you know I would wake up in the morning I would uh you know do Coke immediately even before I had cereal breakfast and then I would have a beer and then I would smoke weed so like I never wanted people to know I was doing cocaine so the beer and the marijuana leveled me out in a way where I was able to walk in the streets and talk and and seem as though I wasn't on anything but deep inside I'm just like Zing you know with my face I'm just like yeah that's right you know but what it did for me uh it it completely numbed me I didn't care about anything and I was a robot but also with with being so numb it allowed me to go out and meet my fans and be out in the street so in a Twisted way it did it did a positive thing for me and that's why I didn't see it as an issue it was like damn today I went walking in SoHo with no place to go and I was just high-fiving fans and [ __ ] like it was just the most you know amazing experience something that I never get a chance to feel because I'm just like such a recluse and I'm just at that time was just weirded out when people recognized me and just didn't want to go anywhere you know yeah that's an issue with substances that can help you in some ways but they're ultimately detrimental to your health or your well-being or your ability to keep it
together you know yeah I mean I abused it you know it's not like the guy who like goes out with his buddies in Spring Break and it's like hey let's do a bom and it's like hey cool you know those guys aren't real those guys are only people in movies man everybody else is just too broke to keep going they just don't have the amount of money that it requires to be a [ __ ] full-time cokehead yeah I it was definitely expensive man it was definitely expensive but you know I um did you find like while you were doing it every day like was there a thing that made you stop because that's usually there's like a you got caught and then people started to know I did it and yeah and it was like damn now everybody knows I do it this is not cool anymore like it's only cool when no one knows Coke is a weird one right yeah it's like I didn't really let you know I didn't let the public make me feel bad about it though it was just kind of like [ __ ] guess I can't do that no more and then also my daughter was born so it was like you know it was two it was like two kind of life lessons back to back that I experienced in in 2010 and you know my daughter's birth and being arrested were those two things because I think I had already started toning down my cocaine use the beginning of that year but then I was the king of like something tragic happening or something I felt was tragic or stressful and then spiraling back into it just needing any excuse to be like all right I'm going to go do cocaine now cuz I'm upset and I'm dealing with something I don't know how to deal it's just like my way of copping out and avoiding my issues wow you know so it was like a block it was like maybe a couple months would go by I'd be in Hawaii you know working on some stuff with Kanye and I never did cocaine or anything around those guys that was like my time to detox when I would be away cuz you know if you do Coke you either doing coke with other people you know or alone and I felt weird about traveling the world and every every place I was at asking people where the drugs was at so like it was something that I did you know at home and a certain time you know and which was you know I was able to like kind of keep it together and go out and
work on my music and and be into it I had a system it was a weird sick system I developed you know for myself you know where you know I was able to be cool if I wasn't in New York but then when I was back in New York it was on you know cuz it was just like being home in the apartment alone for hours on in just really just got me you know uh and doing it just kind of like oh man I could just put on leaky Lee and just chill out for hours by myself and it's all good it's interesting that like the arrest made you want to stop because you really was it because like the the feeling like oh [ __ ] an event has taken place like this is obviously a big sign that I'm going down the wrong direction I'm in I'm dealing with the legal system now getting arrested n it was it was just more like did I this is not Scott mcy how in the hell did I let this become Scott mcy how in the [ __ ] do I got people looking at me like I'm not Scott mesky and I know what it was and I know how to fix that and I went and made I I just it was just I didn't like how people were looking at me at that moment in time so they were looking at you like you're a Coke F yeah crazy cracked out dude like everywhere I would go it was just these looks and I was just like man I just did a little blow what the [ __ ] get off my back you know what I mean like y'all [ __ ] acting like y'all ain't never did a bump get out of here man like it was so I was just like are you kidding me people love to be sanctimonious yeah yeah but I but that's the thing when it happened I wasn't like you know on you know the next complex interview I did like I have a statement that I issued this camera okay I'm really sorry to all my fans for you guys knowing that I do cocaine now or I used to I don't do it anymore uh I'm sorry if I let anyone down [ __ ] that you know [ __ ] that it was really just like I'm dealing with some [ __ ] if you don't understand and I don't give a [ __ ] this is how I was surviving if I didn't do it I would have blew my brains out well I like how you describe it too because you're very honest about the positive aspects of the effects and I think that's super important and this was my contract by the way used the release don't worry about it man sorry don't worry about it I'm an actor
everything's a prop you're method you're very method you're very honest about the positive benefits of it like people have this idea like you shouldn't talk about positive benefits of any drugs whether it's harmless drugs like marijuana or dangerous drugs like cocaine maybe even especially dangerous drugs like cocaine because the reality of what you're saying your experience and the positive aspects of your experience it's like he's promoting drugs when clearly you're doing just the opposite you're talking about how you needed them and used them and they helped you but the reality is it was because you were dealing with an issue right and it just helped mask the issue but it did help and to lie and deny that it clouds the issue for people dealing with their own drug issues dealing with their current drug issues or their past drug issues people aren't honest about it man it puts people in this weird place they like you know what if I wasn't for [ __ ] meth I would never started this business you know look the reason why I'm doing so well is cuz I got on math like yeah I mean there's some people that can say that probably well the only reason why I could sit here and say that is because like I've been four years clean man I'm not like right you're not dipping back in yeah and it's and I can speak about it candidly and it's not something I'm weird about and uh I've just grown so much since then and I also know that the more I talk about it you know the more it'll help somebody else who might be dealing with it you know what I mean you know I when you're in that it's probably just it seems like you can't get out of it because it is like a thing you know what I mean yeah and you get caught up in it and um you know I I just know as with kids listening to me talk now it's it's could be helping a lot of people I'm not like one of those people now that used to do cocaine and I'm like oh you're bad if you do cocaine or cocaine's bad and you shouldn't do cocaine man I don't promote any drug but I'm not judging any body if they do it you know it's not like a big deal like I I did it and I just abused it in a way and it didn't benefit me it didn't benefit Scott I didn't like the person I was becoming there's some people that could do this [ __ ] and they could live
and do it in moderation and it doesn't affect their lives like how it affected mine more power to them they got superpowers if you ask me but I just have that you know it's a history of drugs in my family it was like my blood was waiting was like yeah like let's go and know that about myself and I just had to make that choice I I had to make a choice and I think that's what anything cigarettes and which I'm you know 4 months 5 months done with now um you know you just have to make a choice and I made that choice you know for myself for my own health for my daughter for her future for my fans you know yeah a bunch of people quit cigarettes because of their da Anthony Bourdain quit cigarettes because of his daughter too just realized like what am I doing yeah I mean for me like my my my father passed away from cancer all my uncles passed away from cancer and my father died when I was 11 you know so that was an experience you know for me uh that kind of like traumatized me in such a way but I can't you know when I got older I started to you know do everything that my father was into like my dad smoked New Ports I started smoking New Ports at 17 you know my dad's you know he he loved MGD Miller Genuine Draft I [ __ ] drank MGD Mill draft you know it was like tribute to him no I just kind of was becoming my dad and a weird way and and you know it wasn't you know it was like a one of those things there's you know I don't know I just kind of I never really had a relationship with him so the only memories I had was just this guy like you know like this guy that was just so cool he had his cigarette and he had his beer and he was always awesome and he was there for me as a man up until he left you know uh and I think I kind of got caught up in that and that's something that like you know I can't say the image of my father drinking and smoking is what made me drink and smoke but I can't say it didn't right do you think you took like comfort in it maybe like I think maybe yeah for sure I think everybody takes comfort in smoking cigarettes it's like you know one of those things yeah that's the the the grand trick that cigarettes pull on you they they give you comfort in that need to replenish like you give you a little stimulant from the nicotine and all the
chemicals that are in the cigarette and then you're so addicted to it that you have this weird stress when you don't have it and then when you smoke it ah relieves that stress and you think that it's actually calming you down but all it's doing is feeding the dragon it's like a drug it's anything oh it's a drug nicotine is one of the craziest drugs of all time cuz it's legal as [ __ ] and you could just get it anywhere kills everybody it's like they presented in such a way which all cool but you know and I don't and that's another thing too I don't I'm not like anti smokers either like I Friends cover my house if they smoke I don't shush them outside you know like you can smoke in a house it's not that big you don't mind people stinking up your house they stinky ass cigarettes it don't bother me I smoke for a long time and you know it's not like I got people chain smoking in the house somebody needs a cigarette or one or two you know it's cool I have friends that used to smoke and if they smell it they get sick n they can't they just I'm cool with it I just it's more just like for people that can't stand it it's people that might still have an issue with the addiction but if I smell it or anything like that it's kind of just like huh it's not for me it doesn't really bother me have pull it doesn't pull you towards it you don't want to smoke it again I mean I get I can't say like occasionally and this is something that just will forever happen because I was addicted to this [ __ ] but like I can't say like after a meal a really good meal I'm like oh man the cigarette wouldn't be nice but I don't do that no more so that's that and then that's it wow good for you you know what I mean but I got hypnotized so is that what happened you went to hypnotist yeah yeah and do you remember them hypnotizing you yeah yeah I remember CU you you have to you have to receive the information you know that he's telling you you have to you know really process what he's saying cuz it's really a re-education of the dangers of you know it's kind of like what we learned in in health class when we were in school as kids you know it's it's no different except you know over time the fear is not you know as heightened as it was when we were fourth graders sitting in the room with our teachers saying like
oh it does your lungs are nice and pink like this ooh and if you smoke they're black like this ah you know like it's not over time we we see Pop Culture we see the James Deans we see everything going on and then it doesn't seem as dangerous and and basically this guy reminds you of the dangers and and kind of reboots you and it's like oh [ __ ] it is kind of and as an adult you take it a little bit it's really funny just how the cycle of life goes it's like at my age I guess I was able to look at it in the same way I saw it as a fourth grader you know and just kind of realize oh this is this is hurting me so talk me through it they you do you lie down on the couch and close your eyes they turn the lights down well I had them come to my crib you know cuz I wanted to feel comfortable and uh I had a knife there so if you tried any funny business I was going slit ear to ear I was going did you tou me you know I thought you would try you know touch me I didn't know what was happening I had a I had a shank my pillow and case there's a comedian that used to come to The Comedy Store no [ __ ] there was a comedian that used to go to The Comedy Store that used to hypnotize women his his thing was that he was a comedian but he also like did some hypnotist work and like he would always hypnotize girls and like I remember very clearly one time I was walking to the back of the comedy store and he was talking to a girl and she just pulls her head away and she goes no I don't want you to hypnotize me and I was like wow it's true the dude really is out there hypnotizing people that's [ __ ] up man that's not cool when they did you do it in your bed uh no we were in the living room on the couch and he kind of just sits there and he you know counts you lie down sit up on your back okay so you're fully stretched out pillow behind the head just relaxing Y and what and then when they count you down what does it feel like it feel like you you tired as hell you like slipping you like slipping into like you know a dream state just really relax you just really relax it's like had you been hypnotized before this no first time first time only time he does it three times three times three separate sessions and they're weeks apart does it feel different each time
you do it or does it feel the same no after the first time it's like he does his thing it's like after the first one it's like you don't um uh you can smoke between so it's like we did Ours from Tuesday to Tuesday so it came that Tuesday that whole week I was allowed to smoke right after the first session after the first uh therapy session and the hyp hypnosis then after that second week you're done completely then after that third week it's like kind of like reestablishing that it's done and and that's the final one but after that first one it's like the final week right so to come out of that hypnosis and still you know him telling me like I can still smoke I still had this urge to like I don't know if I want to do that you know like I was allowed to smoke he said it was cool I remember like my first cigarette after like the hypnosis I I waited like a couple hours like I had the I had the that urge but I wasn't so quick to jump into it why did he say he could smoke what's the logic behind it do you ask him just kind of like to to I don't know to give it a minute to or give you that last week to just know that this going to be up after because he tells you like all right so this this last week you can smoke and then after that second session you're done so when you're going under and he's he's telling you I'm going to count you down and then boom you're under do you remember the first things he said to you like do you were you conscious of it yeah yeah he's just basically you know just talking about you know just the dangers of just cancer and what it could do to you and how it's just nasty and it's poison and just everything you could imagine that will kind of put it in the way for a human being to understand and get it like okay this is dangerous cuz that's really what it is I think the average person that smokes uh doesn't see the danger in it like that because you might see you know the the old lady that's 80 90 years old that's been smoking all her days that looks like she's fine you know and you just be like I'll probably be that lady or I'll probably be that guy or you know what I mean but the reality is you don't know you know and it's it's like a
gamble every time and it's like literally um him just kind of he'll give me scenarios too and I don't even know how much I can really talk about cuz he he sells this this is like a thing but uh you know he just really gives you examples you know of just like scenarios like simple example like you if you knew someone was uh you know if you were dating a girl and and and you knew that you know she was known for poisoning her boyfriends putting like poison or rat poison in her food but there wasn't real proof but every guy she dated kind of got murdered but she did and but and you you know were dating her for a while and she said you know she wanted to finally cook for you oh no oh no you know like what would you do you know what I mean like would you if you knew for fact that she was you know a killer would you let her cook your food would you let this person into your house no you would say I'm not [ __ ] with this chick I mean guys stop messing with a chick if she calls too many times like you know like it's just kind of the reality of like man well anytime you see any obsessive Behavior or anything dangerous people but it's kind of just that reality like it's poison you're going out your way to buy poison to put in your system so you felt much more in touch with the reality of what it is yeah yeah you know I just seen always been curious about like what the state is like of being H hypnotized like you don't feel you don't feel disconnected no I felt like I was I could have woke up at any minute I felt like if somebody or if he tried something I could have smacked the [ __ ] out you really worried about him trying something second time yo because bro like just like you just like you you know what I'm saying if you've never done H hypnosis and you see in the movies it just look like you kind of like bable yeah and and and you know I just I didn't know what extent that would feel like you know I didn't want to be like I know what you're saying you know what I mean so I have you ever have you ever seen like one of those comedy hypnotist shows no you should go and check one out yeah they make people like dog bark like a dog or whatever yeah yeah it's this one guy that does it particularly right it's he's known for it well there's a bunch of people all over the country to do it ah okay I mean
so this is like a thing yeah yeah it's a thing man I've seen it when I was uh starting out in Boston there was this comedy club called stitches and uh they had a guy named Frank Santos who did it there all the time and I thought it was [ __ ] at first and then from being there all the time I got to see all these shows I realized like w no you can just hypnotize some people oh yeah and you get some dudes to come in their own pants they would think they were having sex they would think they were having sex on stage and they would be on the ground like humping and he would tell them when they were going to come and they would come and they'd be embarrassed and they'd go and sit down yeah I'd be embarrassed too it's like somebody with a ghost hand coming there jerking you off when you're not noticing it it was so strange not coolost some people apparent are super susceptible to it but he knew he knew when people were under and when they weren't under that's why I was I'm always confused like you so you you were conscious but you were under yeah like he'll do things like I want you to you know say yes you know so he'll he'll you know to check and make sure that you're under or whatever there's certain things that he'll he'll do like and and you got to and I'm paying for it so it's not like you know I'm not lying right what is under though that's what's confusing to me what is is that state halfway between dreaming and awake I mean I'm definitely like the the understate is more just like a relaxed feeling not like sleep right but it could be it can be you know you can feel like it's sleep because you're breathing slower and that's what sleep is like you know you're relaxed and to us that's what sleep feels like you know that relaxed state but you're conscious but you're conscious I hear him Crystal clear I'm not in deep Sleep H you know it feels like it but I'm I'm not I'm hearing everything clearly I'm understanding him you know uh so I'm not snoring here it's not like not it's not weird you feel present but then you just are really really chill so it's just basically like some weird middle State yeah it's the in between of some [ __ ] that happens that [ __ ] know how to do I don't know like I've never experienced
anything like it what's the difference between one session one and session two and then session three um I can't the difference between session one and session two I could say I can't really differentiate between SE session two and three are you allowed to smoke you're allowed to smoke after one you allowed to smoke after two as well no after two you're done after two you don't want to really I think that's when he actually like I think two the difference between the first stage and the second stage is like the first stage he doesn't really instill anything anything like when you wake up from this you're not going to be smoking cigarettes anymore like he doesn't say anything like that he's just like educating you and then he's like now you're going to come back you know and I'm going count you out from from 10 all the way up to one you know and he count you up and cut you up but he doesn't say he says like you can smoke this week you know and then after this you're going to be done you know so like you come out of that first state just kind of like okay but like I said I was hesitant to smoke I really wanted to smoke but there something that there was something that stuck still in that first you know session that made me like oh man it is kind of gross you know success rate did he say literally I mean well he says everybody does it but I know you know I'm pretty sure a lot of people have a hard time with it you know it's not it's just you really and this is what he says and anybody that I know that's done it too uh it's really just kind of like you have to be ready you know in a weird way you just got to be ready and and I think that's with anything in life I mean they try to make it like this thing like you just got to be ready but like that's with anything marriage you know even just dating someone or whether it's a job you just got to make that choice and just really want it for yourself to really and really commit you know and um and I really it costs money too like you sp you paying this money I mean it's like it's a waste of time you know otherwise you know and he's the type of person where even though he's getting paid he's he cares the dude is passionate you know he devotes his whole life to this this guy um Carrie Gainer
um I'm going to give you his contact so you can he has a Twitter page and stuff and he does his whole thing where he's going to get bombed with dickpics right now they're coming in hot smoke this they're coming in hot bro just just say his name it worked on my sister don't give his Twitter page out they get they'll get him hypn like the my sister got hypnotized and it worked for for about a year and then she said one day she just woke up and was gone and she just started smoking again yeah car Gainer yeah wow that's um what what is his Twitter you want to give it out uh yeah could if you want yeah find it cuz he's he's a dope dude man he's the nicest guy he I totally as soon as I saw him I I I knew I wasn't going to have to shank him but you never know you know you never know Joe Rogan I mean not everybody has that B that you have dude where people just like not going to try you they'll still try uh it's it's like Session One involved chlorop for the squeeze the sweet of the juice yeah uh his Twitter is Carrie Gainer uh k e r r y g a y n o r car's one of those weird words that dudes are still allowed to have you know but it's a weird one he has a Twitter for for his his chick's name for his business though why you naming a dude k e r r y I mean it is you can get away with it but it's strange I think it's the Irish thing though too is it okay it could be that or it could be a dominant wife wishes she had a girl well I promise I promise you that that is not what's going on I had a girlfriend in high school and uh her her mom had a boy's name because the dad wanted a boy so he named her a boy's name it was the craziest situation no I've known people like that have had that yeah for sure it was ugly though because you know she didn't get along with her parents like her mom did not get along with her parents and uh it's like she always resented that her dad gave her a boy's name that's creepy man you could just change it yeah but it was it was like a love missing thing she wasn't I want to say come on I don't want to say come on let's make it Mike that's not that's not as bad cuz girls I a girl named Michael no it's it's my girlfriend my girlfriend from high school's mom so I don't think it's okay okay understood understood but uh she
was a nice lady but you could tell she wasn't really into people especially men yeah it's always Weir with the same name yeah men with the same name she she had this strange boyfriend for a while it's very weird when you see like how other people grow up and you see like oh that's where that comes from like you got some weird thing about men and then you go okay let me see what's going on in your house oh look okay let me see what's going on in your house your mom has a boy's name and this is her boy friend and he's a mess okay yeah I see how he'd be weird about dudes it's science it's not your fault like yeah you've been doing science in your own house that's [ __ ] man you know that's the one thing when when everybody judges people and everybody does love to judge people the the reality is not everybody starts off in the same spot you know some people get a [ __ ] spot in life you know and then some people I think a bad spot or an A an imperfect spot a lot of times motivates them oh yeah for sure do you feel like that happened with you oh most def itely and I think about it like and that's what a lot of my my my issue came through you know with you know early on in my career I had this moment where literally I had like security and a car service everywhere I went and I just started to feel like richy [ __ ] Rich it was just a I was like I got a chaperon it's like my mom has this person with me everywhere I go to make sure I don't get in trouble and then like she feeds my bank account as long as I'm good like it just felt really weird you know and uh and you are on coke yeah well no then I started to get on C oh cuz it was because you know I came I came from from nothing you know what I'm saying it was kind of like it was hard for me like the way of life was just a different transition you yeah I would imagine that's got to be a that's a big leap to to come from nothing and then become a famous entertainers wealthy is a very treacherous and difficult path to to manage I would imagine I think most people's MO motivation is to you know and I can't say I didn't fall victim to it was to just kind of prove people wrong in a way oh yeah and and that was a I mean it wasn't anger that fueled me though it was just more like okay I'll show you
well it's your own desire to determine selfworth right right so it didn't it wasn't misguided it was always just like okay I'm doubted the odds are against me but I know what I'm feeling and and this is what I want you know did Pink sign your hand and then you turn into a tattoo no this is Pink Floyd oh okay yeah yeah yeah yeah I mean I like to feel like uh early on in my career I was I was pink a bit you know building up these walls and kind of like you know and I kind of connected with that story early on and and you know I was you know really into to Floyd so much that it inspired my sound uh Pink Floyd and Electric Light Orchestra really ultimately ELO wow that's determin the soundscapes for my entire career vinyl you into like listen to it on old vinyl I um I don't collect vinyls I know buddies that do I have I haven't gotten into that you know I feel like that is a hobby that I eventually want to get into um I have not experienced you know a lot of music that I you know would love to on vinyl because I just haven't gotten into that it's supposed to have a different sound quality to it right well I release all my music on vinyl and and you know all my album covers I design for vinyl covers like and that's a lot of things that a lot a lot of people don't know that but you know I designed all my album covers for vinyl and and for that presentation to be able to see the artwork and you know have this you know and be able to hear it in a in a certain quality you know if you can't play kid Cy back in 1960 at least you can kind of get a little taste of it you know so like we we um we mix for vinyl we do everything for vinyl ultimately you know we we're not doing this [ __ ] for for you know iTunes and MP3s you know right um ritual sound yeah the ritual is Big right just getting the vinyl and putting it on there and sitting back you know it's a thing well that thing is rare today like people don't sit down and listen to music together yeah like I'll like if a friend is in a car I'll play him some [ __ ] like listen to this check this out or if we're here in the studio maybe I'll hook I got this Bluetooth speaker thing I could hook it up to that but most of the time you don't sit down with dudes and just listen to music but I remember when I was a kid my
stepfather his friends they would they would put on an album and they would sit down and listen to an album oh yeah you know an experience yeah like you would get the new you know whatever the hell it was they I remember they had the new Billy Joel album I was a little kid man it was the it was uh the piano man I remember when it was new they pulled that [ __ ] out I was probably like seven or something like that and uh they put it on uh the record player and everyone just sat around and listened to this Billy Joel album that's what people did back when there was two TV channels and I have I kind of Imagine that's what my fans do and that's kind of like how I create and a lot of people might not it's like that's why like when I release a single for example it might be some weird [ __ ] that people just like what is this but in the context of the story when you consume the entire album it makes sense you know cuz I don't really make records for singles you know I make I'm I'm making an entire album here this is a project what percentage of your music is listened to by pads is it like 80 I think more than that I think 100% he's talking about the moon again he tuned it right the [ __ ] in yeah right on in there man uh that's funny man yeah I think that that that's what's missing in mainstream music I think everything is always moment to moment single to single who's got who on what record it's not about like sitting down and having an experience you know and I'm going to always create with that in mind and I think as long as I do that I always have an audience cuz there's people you know like us that want that experience that want that feeling uh to get the homies together and even if we've all heard the album a trillion times just to put it on from the beginning and let it play yeah you know it's just dope no nobody really does that anymore everybody's kind of like Spotify this here Pandora and just skipping around skipping around skipping around and that's because music is designed that way you know um but you you you step into like you know what we do the kids know it's like okay you buy a kit cuty album you probably have your friends come over uh it's a thing it's like don't open until I get there it's like it's a very big deal and I love that there's that type of ritual going
on because like I do it too I go and I buy my own album when it comes out and kids you know see me in Best Buy arguing like why isn't in the [ __ ] front put it in like no I'm not arguing I'm just doing this [ __ ] now I don't talk to anyone if it's not in the front hell yeah dude hell yeah is that legal no terrorism I think that's digital terrorism or something you know but it's but it's kind of like I look at it like this if I'm not going out on the day I'm buying my album you can't expect other people to do it you know if I'm I got to support my own self too you that's hilarious you're supporting your own self that doesn't even work that way just keep the money in your pocket and steal your own album well that's what you should do I really do believe that way you really truly support yourself get caught shoplifting your album at Best Buy so everyone report there you go that's a big story on TMZ that's like you would be a front page guy I'd be a I'd be uh an idiot but you know like I really do believe that man I it's just like you know if you selling some merch you you got to you know promote your merch kids got to see you wearing your own stuff it's you got to let them know like hey I'm down with this [ __ ] too made Bri he's covered in his own merch the kid never never wears anything but Des squad t-shirts and Des Squad hats I have to make my own clothes now buv going to make his own Crocs death squad Crocs he's going to walk around them he's going to become that guy I want a pair of those blue Crocs with white socks that have Des Squad kitties on them would you ever re wear Crocs outside it's so weird that you say that Jeb I went to the Magic Castle last night I had to buy no I had to buy I had to buy new shoes because I don't wear have dress shoes I just you're a member up there huh no no I I got invited a lucky bastard would you really want to go to that just to see what's up yeah just I've just drive by it every damn day I want to know what's going on that'd be easy I can get you but U I had to get dress shoes and I was joking with my girlfriend that I was just going to buy black Crocs so I could use them other times than just dressing up and she thought i' worm the whole time cuz I had an old pair of Crocs and I was like
these are what I bought and she's like are you sure you're not wearing those and then right before I left I switched on but we had this whole Croc thing last night that's hilarious Crocs are great the do you own Crocs Jo no no no no but I mean I don't have any problem with wearing them I mean I would wear them if they were that comfortable yeah I heard they're good I don't own any but I heard they're good it's my walk outside and get the mail or do something else but I usually wear either skate shoes or wear um Converse like all star that's what I wear yeah that's good see I got these leather Chucks on nice they're comfortable I got these bapes today kapow oh those are nice what are those ba and eight oo couple years like 5 years old he came out I like that I like the star on the side it's pretty dope skate shoes are probably the most comfortable like them and like Chuck Taylor those are all like pretty much I used to only wear Vans and then uh my girl got me into wearing Jordans and stuff like that they're built that's I get it now they are the most comfortable shoe in the world welcome welcome welcome to the dark side finally finally you've got Jordans are you going to be one of those dudes like on MTV Cribs where you go into your house you got all these Jordans stacked up around your place look at these shoes right here oh nice look at you yeah you son of a [ __ ] those are my my mags Back to the Future shoes those are giant those are from Back to the Future is that what they're from yeah those are the those are the the the mags the Nike mags are those comfortable yeah they are man they designed the [ __ ] out of those yeah Joe have you ever wear a pair of Jordans or any of those kind of shoes I haven't in a long time when I used to have a a deal with Nike I used to have one of those uh things where like when I was on news radio they'd give you free shoes and on um Fear Factor too they just send me boxes of free Nikes wow I just stopped I don't really do TV anymore I'd be rude if I kept calling them like yo so you know I still need that [ __ ] yeah like um what are you going to do with this it's going to work out and your [ __ ] but they had a thing where you could call them and they would give you free stuff that's amazing yeah but I so they would
give me a bunch of stuff that I wouldn't wear like white and red like basketball shoes I'd be like don't think you're can wear these but a lot of like cross trainers and [ __ ] they have comfortable [ __ ] but I got into like smaller Soul things that have like less you you feel the ground more like Chucks like Chuck Taylor's I like that better I can't perform in Jordans you know and I there something I discovered recently really what way I just can't move I can't stage imagine that if you like on stage I need combat boots I [ __ ] with army boots on only for the hanging out of your mouth like [ __ ] Sergeant Fury that's ridiculous how about Timberlands um man I I've seen people do it in all sorts of sorts of you know Footwear but for me I'm I'm moving around a lot and it's hard for me to move as quick and as Nimble why is that with Jordans I would feel they were athletic shoes well I'm not like well first off I'm not like I don't have them laced up oh you know like I'm about to go play full court you know what I mean so there's that so they're slipping around yeah that's the whole like you know trying to be fresh thing about it so they're not like really being worn how they supposed to be worn but then like there's nothing like Converse where it feels like you're literally dancing Barefoot yeah like on your tippy toes from one end to the stage to the other and and that's literally I find like the best sneaker for me on stage yeah Converse are the best for working out too like if you're lifting weight and stuff you just feel the ground with them there's no there's very little padding but it makes you think like those dudes like Julius Irving like back in the day where they used to wear those and actually play basketball games in them that's incredible yeah like that's what they wore Chuck Taylor they would play a [ __ ] basketball game with no protection basically you know ankles were getting broken oh they probably snap but then again they probably developed tougher ankles you know like they grew up doing that yeah does that make any sense yeah Jamie chicks is had he's a [ __ ] physiological muscular ankles man I'm there yeah I think well doesn't it make sense like if you used
it it would get stronger no like like if you put too much bracing around it can I yeah yeah yeah yeah I would imagine there's a letter right there thank you there's some more of these too thank you Joe's Hello Kitty am I on camera oh no okay make sure he's not on camera we don't want the world know he smokes weed so uh we we got in touch because you reached out to uh to me on Twitter out of nowhere what oh yeah that was cool we was on Twitter talking [ __ ] and yeah I love what you do Joe I'm a big fan I'm sorry you don't mind I no please okay hello everybody hello man this is like what everybody wants to see right this is what you guys want to see no they want to see shoot heroin do bumps some bumps and the other one Brian is a bunch there's a bunch in that one um yeah do some bumps dog I'll tell you what Joe when I get married I'm going to invite you to my wedding me and you going to do some bumps no I never done Coke I've never done Coke well here's the thing I don't think I'm ever going to get married so like this works out for I remember saying that too they get you man I want to be gotten Joe I want to be gotten bro it's definitely better than not wanting to be gotten being gotten is better than wanting to be gotten yeah man I'm I'm joking by the way I'm just [ __ ] around everybody wants love it's the truth oh for sure dude it's one of the weirdest things when you know somebody who just can't ever [ __ ] get it right they can't find somebody they care about like everybody knows this one girl or one dude that just can't get a girlfriend or a boyfriend there's always like the struggle they're always single they can't find anybody worth the [ __ ] that's sad [ __ ] what they can't find anyone to [ __ ] or just I mean almost everybody lower your standards enough can find somebody that'll [ __ ] you that's you no I mean I I mean I'm not saying that I meet I don't I meet people that aren't worth a [ __ ] but it is hard to find somebody you know and and it's it's just it doesn't it's no different whether you're a celebrity or or not you know it's just hard to meet people and you don't it's hard to it's hard to really I guess trust and believe you know someone I mean how well do you ever really know someone mhm you know and and
you know how long does it take to say that you really know someone how do you know what somebody is giving you is really them you know it's true I mean there's definitely people that will [ __ ] you and there's definitely people that have layers to their personality that you didn't imagine you just get especially if you cross them if you develop some sort of a feud with them and you find out that they're willing to just go completely psycho on you and take [ __ ] to the next level and start banging on your [ __ ] door in the middle of the night screaming get that hoe out of there you know this just well that's me I I that's what you do that's your move I'm totally that girl that guy mentally insane in the course of a relationship right um but no I feel you man it's it's but I I I I like to keep a stance where it's like well [ __ ] that you know I don't I don't need anyone but deep down like everybody wants somebody that's like a companion you know there somebody that's a best friend and a teammate and I I kind of you know will always want that but it's not something that I'm like searching for like I used to like it was for a while it was like I felt like that was the only way I can get a certain happiness in my life you know right and just come to terms with it and you realize that that's not the way and you know I'm I'm I'm just very hopeful you know that I'll run into somebody but it is tough you know and I and I meet a lot of cool chicks you know I meet a lot of cool chicks and you know it's just for me it's just really just it's tough about being at the right place in the right time when you know sometimes you're not in the right place in your own head too and you would be a good person to be in a relationship with yeah and that's that's and I really do I feel like like you know at this time in my life you know there's a lot of soul searching that Scott needs to do Scott is talking about himself in the third person now in third person yeah because I didn't want I didn't want to admit that you know so when I have to admit [ __ ] like that you know flaws and all I have to step out Scott needs to get his [ __ ] together never me like I have to get my [ __ ] together it just sounds so much worse
Jefferson Starship man they said it back in the 60s don't you want somebody to love oh yeah don't you need somebody to love wouldn't you love somebody to love yeah you better find somebody to love yeah that [ __ ] could sing I really feel like you know and well I actually want to ask before I go into this how did you meet your lady like was it just like cuz everybody says like it happens when you don't when you least expect it like was it at I too into my personal life on podcast cuz I think people fixate on other people's personal lives too much and it gets weird when people start talking to you in public about your personal life and you don't even know them okay so I just found there's no benefit in doing that but I just met her in a normal environment I met her in a bar you can you can meet people it doesn't it's like where do you go well if you go there like people say oh you never meet somebody in a bar or you never meet somebody in a bowling alley did you go to a bowling alley yes okay well then you could meet somebody at a bowling alley you know people vary it's just finding them and that's what's it's not that easy finding the right combination of you and them and you might be terrible to other people like other people might think like the last thing I want is this crazy Scott [ __ ] in my life but then you might there some chicks right now that feel that way I'm sure it's of course sorry girls we're not all compatible with each other and everybody wants to take that as a sign of rejection or a sign as a sign of you know your own lack of self-worth or something like that but it's not that somewhere out there there's someone who enjoys your personality if you if you're honest and you're nice like if you're honest with yourself you understand your flaws whatever trying to do in this life try to do it well if you got you know you got a lot of positive energy about you you could probably find somebody yeah but you got to be worth finding yeah I got to get out the house Joe got to get out the house that's step one step two I play a lot of Xbox so that's my thing and whenever you want to come over you could either go deep I'm or you could get out of the house or you could just go Oculus Rift and live your whole life
through the net that's like coming man that's on I date in this other realm that's kind of like her like you know and it's just my babe in this world she's hot as [ __ ] and then when you're done banging her you pull her mask off and it's you you're like what the hell is that well the thing is you can always power down it's not like something you got to deal with all the time you know maybe maybe they get you like a hypnotist just climb inside your head I want the world to know that like I'm part-time a comedian when I when I want to so this some this is a lot of sarcasm so just bear with us here you kind of like you know decipher most of it yeah you don't want them taking any of your quotes in text yeah cuz we I come from I come from a world where anything that come out my mouth is taken so literally so it's like I want to make sure that we understand we're [ __ ] around here and having fun you know and that's why I came here today because I don't do interviews and I don't sit down and talk to anybody my fans know because shit's weird you know people aren't cool you know not everybody's as cool as Joe Rogan bro you know so uh I big fan like I said and and I know you talk about psychedelics and I saw something you were talking about one time when you talking about how you went into uh what is it one of those chambers isolation tank yeah and I was it a video I think no I didn't the video Brian Brian made a video about it when I gave away my tank it was like one of your best videos oh you own one bro yeah well yeah I own one now but I had another one my old one I gave it away online so we had this uh thing where do you get them well you could buy them buy them online holy [ __ ] yeah I mean you can order there's a bunch of different companies but well we'll talk afterwards cuz I'll ask you where you live and then I'll give tell you your best option but the place that you want to visit there's a place called the float lab and it's in Venice and the guy who runs it is my friend crash he's actually been on the podcast before and he's the master when it comes to float tank technology he's the guy that really changed the entire industry because it used to be like kind of home models that were like kind of flimsy and you know they would have all sorts of issues he fixed all the issues changed all the
filtration system made them much more durable much bigger better insulation like he's turned them into these incredible like complete Next Level devices that's that's in California so the best place is in California there's another place that's in Austin uh that is probably uh right up there and that place [ __ ] I forget the name of it I got it on my my Instagram Fe with all this man I need all this information do you live in California yeah I'm here okay well if you live in California then there's one place to go that's the float lab here's if you look at the video here's Joe's isolation tank he had at his house this is his old one the Amazon Indians and um he brought it back to him I'm talking about the movie Altered States which is where I found out about isolation tank look pretty young there Joe it's like 11 or 12 years ago it returns back into the box after a double filter and on top of that I also have this right here which is uh an oxygen scrubber just like they have those oxygen bars this this little machine right here pulls oxygen pure oxygen out of the air and it pumps it through this tube and this tube gets it all gets pumped into the tank while I'm lying in it so I get pure oxy oxygen which is amazing for your mind anyway it makes you feel very refreshed and then on top of that I'm in this weightless bodyless experience where it's just you and your thoughts usually my experience it takes first 15 20 minutes is always just me thinking about my life me thinking about my friendships my relationships what the [ __ ] are you underwater no you float so you just there's so much salt in the water that when you lie in it you just float right so you like half your body's above the water like this much and everything behind it is underwater so like your ears are underwater so you can either wear earplugs if you want I don't usually wear earplugs I just get in but some people like earplugs right you just rinse your ears out what happens you float and you're in total silence what's the experience total darkness oh total darkness [ __ ] it varies if you feel like you're flying through space like I recently got Graham Hancock into it he just did a couple of them and that's his description of it he said it feels like you're in space
you're flying because you're weightless and as you're lying there like floating that's a that never happens in life where you don't feel like there's anything holding you down you feel like you're flying through space yeah and because the fact that you're in this tank with no light coming in and no sound you have no like your brain doesn't have any work to do doesn't have to worry about your balance doesn't have to worry about moving you around or dealing with your environment in any way nothing's coming in yeah so this tank was created by this guy who is a he's a Pioneer in inter speeches Communications with dolphins there's this really crazy guy called John Lily and he did all these like really important um studies with dolphins like trying to teach Dolphins human words and trying to communicate their noises are so much different than ours but he did a lot of it while he's on acid he was trying to develop a bunch of ways to get outside of the influence of the body like he was being very scientific about it and his ideas were he he used to have like a SCUBA tank that was like like you had a a helmet on like one of those 25,000 Leagues Under the Sea type helmets Yeah that's what I'm thinking like at first you were talking about I was like what the [ __ ] that's what he used to have and he used to have it where it was like hooked up where it was on a harness and you would be sort of just dunked in the water So eventually you'd forget about the helmet you forget about your body you just chill out and relax and the water was the same temperature as your skin so it becomes indistinguishable after a while once he's got it dialed in just right you don't want it too hot cuz then you can sweat you don't want it too cool or you're cold in there and start shivering he is a Goldilocks 93 and2 deg it's like 93 and2 some people it's 94 yeah so uh you should do it man it's it's it's amazing you say you got it at your crib yeah I have one could I come over and try it sure absolutely yeah absolutely um but if you wanted to get one for your house too uh crash crash definitely sells those it's um I feel like it's something that should be in every University it's something that should be in just a a lot of people should if they have the money or they have the time or
the group of people get together and invest in it it's so beneficial and it's uh it's something that's just it's not thought of as being an important like tool in your life but the ability to tune the whole world out and just float that's awesome oh you trip your but how do you get in and out of it like somebody has to help no no it's real easy it's real easy it's only 11 in of water okay so as you're lying there I mean you just stand up when you're done okay and you just get out it's nothing I mean you can't you can't drown the water's 11 in and it's only 6 ft wide just you touch the sides with your hands you know you Center yourself in the middle and relax and when you do it you you get more and more comfortable every time you do it the first time you do it it'll be a little weird like everybody's described it pretty much says what I always have said like the first couple times it's just like about getting to relax figuring out how to relax but once you've done it like a few dozen times yeah then it just becomes that thing you do you just get in there you just but for me it's giant whenever there's any issues that I'm dealing with any uh any problems that I have maybe creatively even you know I like to go in there I'll go in there with jiu-jitsu problems I'll go in there with uh try I like try to analyze someone's movements like if there's a guy who like keeps catching me with a particular submission I would I would go in the tank and I would try to work out like the defense for the submission in the tank oh wow yeah I would go with like a specific goal in mind because it it makes your brain like supercharged because we don't like when I'm sitting here I got a super uncomfortable chair this is this thing called a saddle chair a Sally swing something chairly [ __ ] it's super uncomfortable but it's really good for your back it makes you sit it makes you sit like an arrow you know um but it's it's stupid uncomfortable man what was my point no you were saying that like I completely lost my point I picked up to sell to show the [ __ ] chair what was I saying just before that none of you guys know I was listening three people in this room that's a sure sign conversation you gave me a joint that's the whatever I was saying was very ineffective cuz no one remembers it
at all I was following yeah short-term memories of [ __ ] man yeah what were you talking about I don't know oh we're talking about sensory deprivation because this this gives me a lot of sensory input it's uncomfortable it's like pinching my dick you got to squeeze your legs together to sit up and when you're sitting in it you're you're constantly kind of working out your legs like you're you're pinching your legs together as you're sit here oh that's the only way you can sit up as if you squeeze your legs ah ex that's the key to it the key to it is it's uncomfortable and when you do sit like that it it activates your cord it's actually good for your back and it makes my back feel great it's amazing like I do a three-hour podcast my back doesn't [ __ ] with me at all whereas if I sit in a regular chair after like 3 hours I feel like tight you know I feel like kinked up this doesn't do that at all but there's a lot of sensory input I think when you're dealing with like there's a keyboard in front of you or you see that light you see this clock you see all these different things you're you're taking in your entire environment you're feeling the the gravity of your body pulling into the chair there's all these things your brain is calculating and if there was some people next to you that were screaming and yelling it would be really hard to pay attention to what you're saying like sometimes we do these podcast G and they be unloading trucks we'll hear the trucks in the background you we hear the Hydraulics and the engines and [ __ ] and it's distracting it makes you wish that it would go away because then you'd be able to formulate your thoughts without any resistance with less resistance right but when you're in that tank that is that that that's that state at its best because there's nothing coming in there's nothing coming in it's just your mind there's nothing coming in and when you get to that place where there's nothing coming in it's beautiful you just you get a real chance to like go over [ __ ] creative stuff or personal stuff or you know problems like if you play a game if you there's anything that you do where you're constantly working at it like some guys play golf or some guys you can get in that tank and just think about
all the various things the various aspects of anything you're trying to concentrate on yeah and it offers you this window of concentration that's just unavailable any other way yeah yeah yeah I feel you I mean I definitely need to try it cuz I've heard a lot about it but I did never really knew what it was and I didn't really know how you would go about doing it super easy that's another thing too it's like who do you ask you know and that's with anything like well right now there's less of them than there should be there should be all over the place and people are starting to open up these tank business yeah I to say it could be a place where you just go like a SP they they have them they have them there's a bunch of them that are popping upfor there's a couple of them in California but only a couple but I know that um I know that the guys who run on the map were thinking about starting one and I know that crash is opening up a bigger one in Westwood it's just very under as far as like the amount of demand it's very underutilized that demand is is under tapped into because I think a lot of people would like it the Burbank one's still there I think yep soothing Solutions which is in Burbank which is where I first went in like 2002 and uh I got hooked immediately like I I couldn't I couldn't imagine that this is something that so few people were talking about you know you got to try it you got to try it and and you actually the first person I might have heard about it in another conversation or too but you were the first person I heard talk about it extensively in detail and it wasn't this video I heard you talking about it in one of your podcasts yeah I won't shut the [ __ ] up about it and people get mad well you have one I mean it's like it's not just that I I'm telling you if you don't if you haven't tried it you don't know I'm I'm telling you for your own good if I'm beating a dead horse I apologize but you just one of the lucky sons of [ __ ] that has one in this house well any look there's a lot of people that do they do renovations to their house house they do all these different things they spend a lot of money and there's they don't that doesn't even come into the the the realm of possibility like we got to get a hot tub that's there people
love to get hot tubs oh Mike and Sue got a new hot tub let's come on over we go sit in the jacuzzi oh nice what does this run you there about five grand a little more Bob and they have these [ __ ] stupid conversations but if one of them said hey man I'm thinking about getting an isolation tank which is like you could get one for less than that like there's a I think a company called Zen float they make one that's like really inexpensive I think it's like 1,700 bucks like the least the least expensive one it's not the same as like crashes not even close it's flimsy but it'll work you know it's I don't know I don't know how it deadens The Sound anyway but I guess being underwater deadens the sound you know maybe it works great maybe it's enough I'm looking at it's definitely better than nothing that's for sureid the kids are talking about us on Twitter I love it don't pay attention to that [ __ ] start no it's great it's great it's a lot being mean to you so you pay attention to them no they they love it of course they do they love us bro this will [ __ ] you up though you can't be doing that while you're doing a podcast you never get to talking we'll be doing no talking you just like we've been all here kicking it I wonder what how they how they feel right now you can't worry about that [ __ ] man you can't trust them can't trust them with your thoughts Dawn of the Dead you got a Dawn of the Dead shirt yeah man I'm that's a dope [ __ ] horror movie that was scary oh [ __ ] oh yeah when that movie came out and they were going through the mall when the zombies were wandering through the mall yeah the people don't know all these people today that are so spoiled because we've had about a billion [ __ ] zombie movies back then when Dawn of the Dead was around when that first Mo that movie first came out that was a GameChanger that made people [ __ ] their pants and I think that that's like you know and I'm a big walkie dead fan are you a walking dead so like you know like Greg niiko who's just like a you know special effects Legend you know did a lot of the earlier special effects in these movies you know and just to see Walking Dead and see like just how to use real practical effects and all the gore is just so real looking you know it's so sick man I'm just a horror movie
uh fanatic man I I've just been obsessed with Hara since I was a kid me too the only thing that bugs me about The Walking Dead is uniformity of their slasher sounds what do you mean when when they're cutting somebody up when they're killing people and stuff you know where they're hacking up zombies the sounds are all the same you know what I'm saying it's like there's not a lot of variety in the sounds they make when they cut open their heads man it get gruesome it's always like it's always the same you know what I mean it's like the cat sound every time somebody throws something out the window it's always the exact same like it's always like super exaggerated too I would just like a little realism like sometimes when you hit someone in the head with a bat it doesn't make the best sound like sometimes you just graze them and it doesn't have that that same every time it's it's like it's you got the bat you the bat specialist you know you just know well I've seen a lot of zombie movies bro I know if done correctly it makes a different sound like the best was 28 Days Later in my opinion that's the best zombie movie of all time sh did you see the second one sh of the Dead was fun that was really was sequel was great 28 Weeks Later that was great too look it was there it was there was a difference in that those zombies were scary as [ __ ] they ran at you yeah and they could bite you and if it got in you you would instantly turn you know that there was some wild scenes that scene spoiler alert where that chick chops her boyfriend up with the machete she he got bit and she goes let me see your arm and she looks at him goes no and she just starts hacking at him with a machete that is dark it's it's real life [ __ ] yeah it is it's real life Joe Rogan that's real life zombie life it's not real life it's a movie well no in my eyes it's real life Joe man that's that was a [ __ ] great movie man that was a great horror movie you so you're you're into like the speci effects guys and everything you know who they are man I just just I'm into like you know art and I look at that as an art form you how those guys do it it's just it's sick it takes a certain level of expertise and taste and uh you know I I I'm just a fan of the anybody that can do a horror
movie with no CGI I mean Bravo and it still be funny and believable it's like or a TV show or anything it's it's it's you know not easy you know oh it's really hard yeah these guys like uh Pat McGee is the guy who did the werewolf out there which is the cop freak me out when I walked in I was like okay okay I know I'm in the right place the Rick Baker werewolf from American Werewolf in London and one of the beautiful things about that movie was that there was no CGI it was all Rick Baker's creation and they had to show it to you in these little flashes they couldn't just show you so much of it like they do today yeah like now yeah the monsters look way better for sure they're but they're showing you too much yeah so in showing you too much it's actually actually looks shittier like there's a lot of monster movies where like one of the weird things about monsters like a real monster movie is you see them so briefly before they kill you you know it's like oh Jesus and then you're dead like and they sort of represented that in American Werewolf in London like you saw that thing for like a frame two frames and Sh you were [ __ ] your pants the guy was running through the subway and there's a brief like couple frames where the werewolf's at the bottom of the escalator and it's it's down there and he's he's traveling up and he sees the werewolf starting to make its way up the escalator he's [ __ ] his pants it's just couple seconds and it's gone and it's like God damn it it's so much better than showing people like a CGI like those movies that are kind of fun underworld those kind of Underworld movies but they thought werewolf is the hour of screen time there a werewolf you get used to seeing it it's not scary anymore they got they gotta it's like you know if if you can tease the audience and build up that anticipation it's like you know because you can you know do the CGI and make you know the the monster look more present in the scene you know it's kind of like people aren't thinking about give it to him in doses some movies have done it you know dope like I liked Cloverfield I thought that was sick I did that you know um the new Godzilla I thought was dope I wasn't mad at it it was fun to watch the dude who kept surviving bummed me out a little bit I was just like this mother
[ __ ] has the worst luck yet the best luck ever he keeps getting in these cataclysmic situations that keeps getting out with a Band-Aid everybody else is dead this [ __ ] dude rises from every ass brushes himself off we got to fight Godzilla he's not freaking the [ __ ] out that a bridge just missed his head no he's like we got to get Godzilla got to save my family and get Godzilla you still haven't seen it oh my God is the it's worth seeing just for the end scene just for the fight scene between Godzilla and the other monster yeah it's epic it's epic I wasn't expecting that that pretty dope and then it reminds you that like Godzilla is really about Godzilla well Godzilla is a hero movie it's like Godzilla is a hero Godzilla is a hero so is King Kong those are hero movies like you can't you can't they're not scary movies like it's not like a monster movie where King Kong you only see him in brief seconds it wouldn't work like that's one of the main problems with like special effects and a movie like King Kong it's like it always had to be special effects from the 1930 movie like you had to see him all time yeah it's not like this monster you briefly see for a second and then it gets you oh like the original alien oh yeah oh yeah I mean but that's the [ __ ] that I mean aliens is always going to be a classic you know the original one was the best because you barely saw it I think they all were kind of like that though because in the in the environments that they were at it was just so [ __ ] shady like you know the spaceships and well the the second one was pretty [ __ ] dope that was the James Cameron one aliens but it was different than the first one because the first one you barely saw that [ __ ] thing you barely saw it it was always sne and by the time they saw it it would be on them and it would kill them and that would be it yeah and then the second one they're everywhere and they're just shooting them and killing them like they kill them so much easier the first one it was like this super intelligent thing that was sneaking up on you it was like some Super Genius alien and the second one it was like this trailer park aliens and there was a million of them and they were all idiots they were all idiots like the first
alien was brilliant it was so clever and sneaky and it would go and knew where people were going and it would Ambush them it would hide and then the second movie they were all dumb they were just jacking them they would just run into a room and kill four or five of them the third one was my favorite really with Rock in it Char he's a nice guy man I met that dude once I was on a TV show with him like one of those uh talk show type things back when he was doing that show he was cool as [ __ ] yeah he seems cool very friendly but he was a badass in that movie he was the only person I ever seen in that whole franchise go Toe to Toe that's right go Toe to Toe wasn't one know to rider in that one too or was she in the fourth one how many of them are there I know the the third one was he was in the third one right am I right I think so cuz that was the one she killed herself right she had the baby she fell into the lava right yeah right damn she wanted to kill the baby yeah and that was the one that was the one where he was down there about to up with the dude cuz he ranan out of ammo yeah and was like is that all you got it was like fighting him yeah that's right so [ __ ] G yeah that didn't end well though for him yeah but you know there's but you know hey hey we don't make it in these movies like that we don't make it but he is probably like in a horror movie or I wouldn't even call that a horror movie it was like more like a Sci-Fi yeah you know Thriller the first one was a horror movie yeah but the that that third by the third one it was just more like a it didn't come off more it was more like action and sci-fi but that was the only time I've ever seen in that franchise if we dare call it hard where you know you know the black character goes out in such a way where it's like you know [ __ ] that you know going out swinging like to some [ __ ] like that come on like an alien like dude like come on Joe Rogan you would not you would not square up with no alien like that yeah what would you do you just like just [ __ ] your pants yeah exactly let it eat you eat you it's happening it's is happening it's like if a puppy talks [ __ ] to you you're like what that's what it's like it's like you know that's what the alien is like with a person yeah try to yeah yeah and then it
became Aliens versus Predators like what the [ __ ] did you do it's a slow degradation from like one of the greatest horror movies of all time a Ridley Scott Masterpiece to like this Preposterous just action fun film I mean they're fun I didn't watch that though I watched alien versus one of them one of them I remember there was more than one oh there's like a thousand of them I [ __ ] turn around every year how many aliens versus predators no if I had a guess let me guess I want to say there's three or four alen Predators I don't believe this I remember there was one there only two get the [ __ ] out of here I'm not buying that maybe it was a TV show no no there was movies man there was what was also like Transformers how many Transformers movies were there three what well four if you count the cartoon three yeah no four four you got that touch isn't there a new one that's coming out or something which alien one that's the one that just came out that already came out the Marky Mark one yeah that's been and gone already yeah yeah not so good wait no man you got to bring back sh Lau yeah he's crazy but he knows how to [ __ ] sell the [ __ ] out of some how Transformers are there though there's the there's the original one movies the new ones the acual ones there's three okay all right there was one that just came out with Mark wer yeah that's one how many aliens versus predators is it just two yeah two it looks like wow I would have assumed there was more man I didn't even I mean what was Alien Resurrection that was the one that was four they took her DNA yeah she came back they cloned her they somehow and know got her DNA they cloned her and that was weird it's like how is happening soy weav just back and then there was the Prometheus movie which was weird as [ __ ] too I wonder if they're going to do another one I think so oh yeah Prometheus could have been I don't know man it's hard like we said like the idea of putting together a movie just the idea of getting all those people together I I enjoyed Prometheus I mean it wasn't the perfect sci-fi movie it wasn't as good as the original one but I enjoyed it I thought it was fun and I love the idea behind it the idea of like that's how he introduces his DNA into
the uh the new virgin Planet by taking some horrible poison that breaks him down and he dies falls into the water and then slowly but surely a natural course of evolution grows out of his DNA and that's how people are created that's fascinating to me I mean it was I mean I ain't never seen no [ __ ] like that so I I entertained it I I enjoyed it well I think that Ridley Scott is brilliant and I think he's probably been thinking about this for a long time before he created this and I don't know who wrote the screenplay but I would imagine all of them have been thinking about this for a long time like if you were going to like the right way to introduce life into another planet it'd be like just get a planet that doesn't have any life and you just inject some something you know some de and if if it's a body especially that breaks down that body has also got all sorts of bacteria and weird [ __ ] on it and that's going to come out when it dies and the bacteria starts eating its flesh and will they be able to transmit and and and go to plants or other plant matter that's on this planet does is there some primitive life that it can cling to and and morph with some sort of a virus like like diseases change people you know diseases can probably change all sorts of other things viruses and bacteria slowly mutate and morph out of this one body that come I mean how how far can a body go if a body rotted if there was a planet and that this planet had no biological life and you brought a body and just threw it there all it had is plant life is it possible that that could somehow or another have enough fuel from eating that body and figuring out how to subside off plants that they would figure out some sort of a way to to to become a viable life form on a planet is that outside the realm of possibility yeah is that Stoner talk is it I mean I mean I don't know I mean how I don't think it's too I don't think it's too crazy even mean think and then if some other dude landed on that same planet and then got sick from this bacteria that was created by the body that was left behind before then he takes it back to his planet and everybody gets [ __ ] up and they all die and then the planet where the bacteria was that bacteria has figured out how to form a civilization and has
Wi-Fi and they've spread out and become people and they call themselves humans yeah if you get too high you can think some really stupid [ __ ] and you can talk about it on a podcast like I just did but everybody's fascinated by that subject of aliens the the idea of aliens creating people yeah like a movie like Prometheus yeah cuz I mean like it's entertaining to kind of could play with that idea you know for a minute yeah it's entertaining to think that someone's going to come visit too yeah I mean everybody loves aliens yeah I mean you even except Predators if you live on an island they don't [ __ ] with aliens at all if you lived on an island somewhere and you're by yourself just out there just you sitting around maybe you got a dog you're sitting on this island you got plenty of food but you're bored as [ __ ] just looking out waiting for someone to come just someone anyone just let me see a light someone I think that's kind of what's going on with us it's like yeah we have each other but the reality is we're on some weird round boat that's just bobbing around the universe and we want someone to come visit us what there just people like us that are like hey man most of these people suck C can y'all come down here and [ __ ] with us come take us where you're at and teach us your ways but but a lot of people don't suck right I think the real thing is figuring out how to make less people suck yeah and figuring out how a way to accept to accept people for things they've done wrong too like I just think it's love man I just think a lot more love you need that in the world and there's ways to do it without it being sonest so silly you know um it's just something that people need to do internally you know yeah it seems like an easy thing to say right All You Need Is Love yeah but it's like you know what like to be hopeful is a good thing you know M it's super valuable it's everything if you're not hopeful you got nothing you know I mean just your attitude determines your your success in a lot of your endeavors in life your attitude like your approach that you take to it oh yeah it's whether or not Sam Harris [ __ ] me up man I had
this dude Sam Harris on the podcast and he was talking about determinism and it's uh the idea that no one has Free Will and that basically everything about your personality has been formed by your interactions with your life experiences your DNA your genetics your your neighborhood that you grew up in and that that's just no matter what you do inescapable and that there is no free will like every decision you make is based on all the [ __ ] that's happened your fate is your fate yeah well it's not even that your F your destiny I mean it's sort of been determined by your past experiences and your the chemical interactions with those past experiences and then you're on a path and that that path is like almost undeniable which is a it's a weird sort of a semantic argument too it's cuz man what's going on when you decide to not do Coke anymore what's going on when you decide you know what that's it I'm not smoking anymore what what is going on because part of me wants to say hey Scott did some powerful [ __ ] he stepped up and he used his willower and he uses intelligence to realize that he was on a bad path and that's a an admirable thing to talk about because it inspires people who might be on a bad path themselves to kind of like catch your your momentum and you know and give them confidence he gives them confidence hearing you today with your [ __ ] together all cool as [ __ ] and think about you being you know this guy who doing coke all the time and didn't like it that's um I feel like there's got to be something there that made you do that I mean this idea of pure determinism is really fascinating and I get it I I totally get it I just I wonder how much of personal choice is just what what is the force that makes a person decide to do do the right thing well I think it goes back to you know what we were talking about before you know you know if you kind of start from one place where you you know you got to make your own way it just kind of makes it a little bit you know it just you savor it a little bit more and it means more when you get it you know cuz you had to really work and and and Achieve something you know but my whole thing is when I was a kid I was immediately looked at as someone who wasn't going to amount to [ __ ] so like you know like you know
that's just like start to talk about start from the bottom that's the bottom when [ __ ] look at you as a human being and be like oh he's not going to amount to anything you know that's what teachers you know that's what your peers you know that's what certain people in the neighborhood may think of you you know because of whatever whatever reason whatever you know what I'm saying off just you just being in a certain environment you know so you you already have that against you right and then you you don't want to conform you don't want to be a statistic you know and that's kind of like what my thing was you know I just didn't want to be another [ __ ] out here lost and [ __ ] and do you you know what I'm saying like and I and and that was that was what I I made that choice at that time you know and and I knew that me making that choice would help other people see that they can make the choice cuz I was also inspired by you know some people that were in my space that weren't falling into other [ __ ] it might have been like one of my homies that was like you know in the sports and like you know got good grades and play sports and wasn't caught up and some [ __ ] and I was like man this dude got some goals here you know I might not be in the sports but this dude right here has some type of goal cuz he don't want to turn up like this cuz we got that option too you know so it's like it was just a lot of things I was able to just like and I was the youngest of four so you know I was able to just kind of be young and look at my older siblings and kind of like what learn what not to do and that's kind of why I use that whole like I'm your big brother phrase in my music because I feel like you know even with the mistakes I've made it's it's what a Big Brother's supposed to do like I'm supposed to to make some mistakes so you can learn you know and then those kids will learn and then they'll make their own mistakes and then there'll be a bunch of other kids that'll learn you know it's like a system you know it it and I kind of like you know know I like that I'm that person you know I I like to take that that whole big brother thing to that you know to the full extent into the music but I really believe that I had the odds against me in such a way and I also just felt like everybody thought I was a
loser from day one I was tired of feeling like that I was tired of people looking at me in that way and I wanted to finally find whatever it was that was my own my calling to prove that you know cuz I tried everything else do you think that in some ways like coming from a troubled background is like almost a gift because it gives you that burning fire or do you think it's like a double-edged sword because it gives you that gift but it also gives you like this hole that sometimes is difficult to keep filled um do you know what I'm saying I don't know I'd see what you're saying but it's hard to say cuz everybody's circumstance is different of course you know like it could be somebody who came from money that still got the same up like you know DNA and teachings that my mom gave me cuz they just had really good parents except they came from money like it don't really matter you know what I'm saying and it could still be drugs in in the suburbs and it could still be all these things that one could get caught up with in the in in the suburbs like you know anywhere else so like I it's hard to say you know I just had and this is another thing I was talking to somebody about you know cuz um you know I was raised when I think of strength I think of a woman I was raised by my mom you know and that is something that I you know she's someone I always will look up to how she just sacrificed everything and took care of us you know on a teacher salary and that for me is like I got that role model like somebody who like could have just been like damn I got four kids I need to be chasing a man and trying to find some man to come take care of us it was more like you know I got married it didn't work out now I just need to figure it out for my kids you know like I just have that you you know and and I just kind of always looked up to my mom in that way and and you know I wanted to I didn't I didn't want to be a failure to her I I wanted to you know show her that I could be great and be as strong as she was and and you know that's beautiful man that's really a beautiful thing to say yeah that's a cool story man I love that yeah I I just feel like um there's a a certain amount of energy that people get from wanting to prove other folks wrong yeah no for sure for sure and uh it can
it can help you in some ways it can certainly help you but I think sometimes even like when you're talking about the benefits you had of cocaine like there was benefits to it there like you could say things and do things you ordinarily wouldn't be able to do yeah well this this the motivation of of like proving people wrong you know I'll show you you know you said I wasn't going to be [ __ ] I'll show you like you get to a certain point in time that kind of play against you too right yes it can backfire because then it becomes it it for me it becomes like and I definitely did my last not the album I did my album before last with that an angry I'll show you spiteful like villainous energy you know and I was able to make some really great records but it was the most aggressive music I had ever made right and um some of it was the most aggressive in all lot of levels not even in the mean way but just like you know just the music itself um and that and I benefited the the the you know what I set out to do you know it it all benefited you know but um I didn't it wasn't the normal way I went out about making an album so it was weird you know and and it was something that I took a step back with afterwards and then dropped the second album like all right this one's not so I don't really feel like I'm I'm like going you know up against the masses like I really have something to prove here this is more just like about like just being at some type of peace you know and just having things sorted out once all the madness is all done and it's kind of just like now it's just like right right you know and that's why I did indic cut and then I did satellite flight you know cuz I feel like indic cut was me just figuring out how to produce you know and make records and then satellite flight was me having it mastered and finally putting together something that was just like fine-tuned you know but to in a different structure where I have like some instrumentals and then you know with you know they're kind of like interludes and then you know records that were just completely you know formatted in different ways maybe not the three verse two hook formula maybe just one long verse and one outro and you know maybe no hook at all maybe no drums for the first minute and 30
seconds but there's like RS you know just experimenting and trying things you know now that I had that expertise with creating a record you know did you ever um listened to the Brand New Heavies I know some records yeah the brand new Heavies did this rap thing where they're God I was trying to remember the name of it um there's a but it was it's along those lines like very experimental and this is like back in like the early 90s they did like cool G Rap did one of them and it did it like to like some like actual music behind it like it was pretty interesting stuff but I remember that and I remember thinking like man like why don't more people do like weird [ __ ] with music like how many people are thinking the way you're thinking like saying like okay how about we just do no drums for like the first minute and a half and then just start rapping and then the drums kicking like these kind of things where you're just like coming up with uh like just a different approach a slightly different entry I think people are just a little scared that they'll lose the the audience's attention which is the very uh real fear it's I get it you know but it also goes back to what I was saying like I've just been blessed with a family that like you know is into what I'm doing no matter what you know uh and that's that's just dope you know but the average artist no they can't just experiment and there's that fear where they might not sell records and then that's bad for business and this is a business you know um so you know um it's it's understood why most guys don't really do it you know I would like to see people do it I feel like there's that's not an excuse I feel like there's a way where people can be a little bit more creative and push the envelope a lot more within music where it fits in in a in a in a way that makes sense and it's true to their their art um and their formula I feel like yeah there's always a way to try something new and be uh Innovative and and bring something different to the table if anybody wants to check out that That Brand New Heavies that I was talking about it's called heavy rhyme experience uh and it was the Brand New Heavies it was 92 way back in the day when I was I was living in New York and um my friend God damn it trying to remember his name standup comedian told me about him he
goes you got to listen to this [ __ ] these guys are doing some weird stuff they did a do with cool G Rap they did one of them with a uh Gangstar it was pretty badass that a bunch of different uh collaboration so like jazz singers with like rap like serious like best of the class back then hardcore rappers rapping over their uh their Rhyme or their music it was pretty cool oh wow yeah um but your your point about having the fan base that allows you to [ __ ] around and practice and and take chances that is huge isn't it like ability that you know they they like you as a person as well as like your music so and they want you they want to see where you go with it yeah you're always going to do your best they know it comes from a pure place too you know I'm not like they make a top 10 Single they know I'm just trying to make some cool [ __ ] that they can connect with and that's the extent every time it doesn't go beyond that and the minute tries to it just starts to get frustrating like start thinking about a radio record to please somebody at the label then it gets frustrating if I start to think about this and that for this it gets frustrating if I keep it just based on like hey man this sounds gnarly and let's make sure we it's not too trippy and it's make sure it's not to this and not to that but a a effortless combination of everything all at once you know and and and that's really what these past couple years for me have been like just mastering that uh technique as a producer and um you know really really just uh going all out creatively and just uh trying new things because I also internally don't feel like I have anything else to prove um as a musician but I I have that itch you know like I need to create like I I feel like that's it's like working out for me it's like doing reps and staying mentally fit creatively fit you know um so when it comes time to do an album I've got some new powers I've acquired the past year just like you know from just [ __ ] around in the studio for a couple months just going every day making beats whether I'm in the studio for 5 hours or two hours I'm making something I'm making at least like on average I make about in the studio I'm making at least two to four beats a day and when I say beats I'm talking about completed
sequenced uh instrumentals that I could make records on so like not just some [ __ ] I started a little bit and then it's kind of cool and I'll get back to it later I have probably like a baker's dozen of those in one session but I'll have like four that are officially like oh these jams are dope I'm going to sit and live with these and see what comes up so when you sit down to write music do you do you sit down and do you have an idea in your head or did you let let it come to you while you're there like how do you know how to start um um it it comes different every time it it doesn't um it depends it could be a baseline that I'm thinking of that inspires me or it could be me not have anything in my mind and just going through the sounds uh or it could be like you know a rhythm I heard or you know anything it could be a movie I'm watching I like to you know produce while I'm watching movies with the sound off um and that kind of help helps me with scoring you know when I get into scoring and I'm you know doing that that's my next step you know I want to get more into scoring movies and sound design um but it's all for me it's all just experimentation and just seeing what happens and and you know it's not any pressure and when you hear a beat like when you're making a beat and you're creating it are you hearing lyrics are you hearing are you thinking about yeah yeah I'm hearing I mean here's you know when I when I'm hearing something I hear it completed right so when I'm starting a record and I feel like I got something I'm like all right this song like I feel like and it's back to what you were talking about cuz you know I feel like you know time doesn't really exist so an hour from now it's happening right now right so there's songs that are created that I haven't made yet so when I'm in the studio I feel like I have this small like peek into this other world and this window that I can hear the song but it's my job in the present to find the pieces to make it so and sometimes it might come out exactly like what I'm hearing and sometimes it might not but it's never it's never really spot on you know I just hear glimmers of what the song completed sounds like until it's completed and then it's just everything
is perfect but that's how I can sit there and listen to a mix and be like something's off cuz in my completed version you know it's like a coloring book every record starts off in one way just blank and I'm just filling in all the colors and then there's one color still missing you know that's what's happening in the final in the ninth inning you know when we're mixing the album like man there's still some colors that just not in there yet and then I'm going through sounds and I find the colors and everything's full and I'm cool or I might not find an exact color but some close enough I'm fine and like that's literally where it's at where you have to make the executive decision like all right I'm done with this or I'll be sitting for another two weeks trying to sit with this mix cuz I'm really anal about it and if I don't just back away and let it be you know we'll never hear any music that's a fascinating insight into the creation of Music CU I don't um I don't know anybody that does that like well where they could tell me about the entire process from the beginning to end so it's interesting to get a a window into that world cuz I always wondered and I also always wondered like I Know Jay-Z never writes his lyrics down he keeps them all in his head right do you do that or do you actually write him down somewhere um nah sometimes I'm sometimes I mean a lot of my hooks are in my head but I need to write you know certain things down to just kind of make sure I'm making sense I used to do a lot of my earlier stuff just off the Dome just freestyling [ __ ] you know and sometimes that works good with Melodies I do that a lot I'll go in there and just hum flows and try different things like that and Melodies but it's really just a combination it's never just like you know always like writing off the Dome like some ballots I write completely off the Dome you know I don't need pin and paper for a ballot but like if it's something I like that term off the Dome yeah that's a great term I'm going to use that from now on whenever there's a joke that I have that's not written down anywhere it's going to be off the Dome yeah that was and I feel like that it it kind of like you know gets people to understand that
this is some you know this the spontaneousness of it you know um is that some a term that rappers use all the time or is that your term off the Dome is that yours I I can't let's say it's yours I like to say it's yours I to say I know the guy came up with that [ __ ] off the Dome it's a very popular phrase amongst the youngsters now but it all came out of kid I'll take it take it take it I'll start spreading that room so you're you're essentially you're open you whatever which way ever comes you just show up you show up and you put in the work you you put in the work creating the Beats you put in the work come up coming up with lyrics whatever way it comes up whether comes up all in your head or whether it comes up writing it down on paper and the sessions are really me and my engineer Ian and and occasionally I have like my brother from another mother Dr genius coming through who you know was in a band that I came up with couple years ago that you know we kind of just put together because we wanted to try something outside of the world we were already making music in you know I it's this the sessions are really small it's not like I got 20 dudes in there right they're kind of sad sessions you know they're really sad they're probably not sad at all well I always wonder feel feel bad for me like oh it's got nobody in the studio with him but then like but then like you know like I'm in there like a mad scientist like you know I'm inventing it's not like you know an inventor don't got 20 [ __ ] in his his lab while he inventing [ __ ] [ __ ] to steal his [ __ ] or they'll you know rack focus and you know distract him you I find that when you have your friends in the studio you got you know couple guys on World Star couple guys on Twitter a couple guys over here and everybody's talking about what's going on over here and what's going on here you're trying to write this song you get distracted you like what happened oh hell no that's funny funny next thing you know it's two hours of Gone by you're still working on this record you had some laughs but what you came to the studio for is not done yet right you know and there's money being spent there's time time is of the essence this is what we hustled and
worked hard for you know and I have to I had to remind myself it's like man this has turned into a [ __ ] party like we're here for work so I also have this like really gnarly work ethic like cuz I've been working since I was 15 like my first job was Wendy's I I remember why I wanted to work it was cuz I wanted my own [ __ ] I was tired asking my mom for stuff and also didn't think it was fair you know to ask my mom for stuff cuz I know we have much so you know I just have work for me is always like one of those things that's very important yeah but like there was also some jobs that I didn't [ __ ] take seriously like American Apparel you know where I was like coming in late and I didn't give a [ __ ] and like when my boss fired me like he took me to like this office and kind of told me and and when he said he's like I'm going have to let you go I was like yeah I figured that you because I didn't give a [ __ ] you know it was like now I can go to the studio well it's probably like work on my craft and then maybe find a better paying job you know that doesn't have me in the [ __ ] basement of some building you know sweating my ass off clothes everybody says you should always do your best at every job you do a champion in life is a champion in everything they do so if you're going to mop floors do your best at mopping floors mop the [ __ ] out of those floors I that's great on paper but the reality is when you're a young man it's sometimes it's good to [ __ ] off at something so you know you don't ever want to do that again they fire you and then you learn and there's some there's some value in that it's unfortunate but we don't all learn the best way sometimes we got to get fired from American Apparel yeah yeah you know at least I didn't get fired for like stealing something I got fired for being a shitty landscaper kept scalping people's Lawns yeah that's [ __ ] up now that would that would [ __ ] somebody's emotions that would hurt my feelings if somebody just if that was like the word around town that I've been you know my main bread and butter I've been doing investing my life in that I was shitty at that my feelings yeah I wasn't invested in being a landm boy landscaper yeah no I know what you're saying man it's a there's a completely different thing when you're creating
your own stuff when you're working for yourself then it's like a focus like an obsession almost type Focus like the laser beam I I love that term the lab too that's one of my favorite terms from the rap the rap World they love talking about being in the lab creating material you are like an inventor you're a scientist you know and it's it's kind of like I treat it I in every sense of the word in every sense of that that that that that term I guess you know lab it's like where I'm working it's work and I and I almost don't like playing around in in the studio like that like cuz it is a place for work it is an office you know especially if you're trying to write if you're trying to write things there too as well you're trying to write lyrics and dudes are all jumping around not even that what if I'm not even just me sitting there and I might not have an idea yet even if I might just need silence right right right I might just need [ __ ] silence for a little bit yeah I don't I've never been to any sort of uh recording studio where anybody was doing anything like serious like that but I would imagine it's very difficult to avoid the party it's like hey we're in studio and guys come to visit you come on by come to visit we did that so it's like I did that like now I mean I was been doing professionally since like 22 23 going to Studios and having those moments with the buddi cuz in the beginning it's like you want your boys around so I kind of got that out of my system and now it's like all right 30-year-old Scott goes to the studio by himself he's got his book bag he's in there for maybe five six hours and then he goes home that's smart you know I'm saying and then he's like this is a Friday night you know like in in I'm in bed by like 11 11:30 kapow [ __ ] Saturday live that's beautiful yeah yeah yeah no hey man that's how you get [ __ ] done that is how you get [ __ ] done I'm just psycho with it man those uh music videos though when they show the recording studio it's always a giant table there's like all those little switches that nobody understands maybe you everybody's everybody's standing in front of all the switches and then everybody's partying everybody's in the background having a good time but that could also be when the album's done and they're celebrating
it cuz that's what also happens like when I'm done with you know say I finish maybe eight songs and I feel like I've got the album like and I just need maybe a couple more jams you start inviting people to come hear what you got and get their opinion so you have those moments too so you might see that happen and but but there's a year and a half of just Studio by myself before that happens wow you know like I don't really and maybe occasion I have one or two friends you know maybe some one of my director friends or or my fellow actors who I just kind of want who have never really had a chance to been in be in the studio come by and just see get the experience but they're not in there distracting me they're just watching and paying attention and want to just be a fly on the wall and see how it works yeah well a lot of people are really curious about it because it's a it's almost a sort of a mysterious type of creativity if people aren't involved in especially the creating of music is such a cultural uh it's such a cultural influence it's so such a powerful influence like music has it inspires people like when you listen to music at the gym it it can make you work out better like you put your headphones on and you play some awesome songs you don't give a [ __ ] that you're on some stupid stare machine like a hamster you just keep going and the music you you like the music so much you get into it and it's only it's in your head drowning out everything else sometimes you don't realize how heavy you're breathing until you you know you take the earplugs out you're like holy [ __ ] I'm Fu working here it's because of nothing else like hits you like that like people's words they don't sustain that way you can't like read incredibly passionate essay and it sustains you through a workout like that no it's like it needs to be just something that like there's nothing like music in that respect it has it has an impact that very few things do so that that process C of creating it is always fascinating and mysterious to people like me that don't have any musical Talent at all yeah I I see it I um I just approach it in a different way uh because I'm I'm just I do feel like I'm just every time I'm in the studio it's just like um me just you know trying to create the uncreated and it's a very
private thing sometimes you know I want to I want to be able to you know have my privacy when I do that right right yeah no I totally do you do all your writing and everything at the studio or do you sometimes sit at home oh it comes whenever man right I'll be in the shower do you I'll be in the shower thinking of some [ __ ] you know do you ever use that uh note app on the the phone on your phone where you talk into it um record memos yeah a lot a lot of the times not even that I mean the note app you know you can talk to it and a voice no no no I just kind of see if I'm recording something it's a Melody okay I see if I'm thinking of something it's a not like thinking of Raps like those earlier days it's less about that now and it's more about like like just Melodies and coming up with songs and struct so you want to hear the sound yeah and then the lyrics come next because the music is just going to tell me what to say wow wow that's that's [ __ ] wild that's so cool now how much of your creation is done under the influence of marijuana man it I don't smoke to create I've come up with a lot [ __ ] sober sometimes when I'm fresh waking up in the morning sometimes I have the most ideas at like 8:00 a.m. sometimes a lot of people say that man a lot of writers like Stephen King I believe does all of his writing in the morning I think he does it like 9:00 to noon every day yeah it's like man I'm fresh in the morning with something some Melody and and it usually comes just walking through the house making breakfast and you know I it could be whenever dropping a deuce you know I come up with just Melodies here and there and and I record them all if something really catch me cuz if I don't record them immediately then I lose them so I you know I got to record them somehow but it's it's very um I'm always I'm always thinking about music as much as like I like to deny it and you know go shoot a movie and [ __ ] and you know I I always think about music I'm obsessed with the idea of just making you know the the most beautiful songs that like you know really make people feel some type of comfort or some type of understanding cuz the world is so [ __ ] and uh you know I I just really am obsessed with that idea I think I'm
always going to be and now I'm just trying different different ways of doing that you know uh we did the rap [ __ ] we did The Rock album now I'm just trying to be this like weird instrumentalist you know and I don't really know what that's going to be but I'm just really I guess in the process learning how to produce better too which is uh it's something that you know I've been trying to you I always want to be better so it's good to you know be learning and getting better as I'm creating do you do any other things like other than music do you have any other Hobbies or any things that like you also get locked into uh I like designing sometimes like uh you I wouldn't look at myself as like a fashion designer but you know uh if an opportunity comes around I'll do a collab or two you like desig clothes like what kind of clothes yeah like I've done a about five t-shirt collaborations with bathing ape um I used to work there that was my last job before I got famous you know so like I have you know Roots back in New York and and that was pretty much one of those the only job I really kept in touch with you know that I went back to and and you know did some things for the fans you just end up creating [ __ ] you know it really for me I'm starting to write a little bit more it's just staying creative realiz like a book or like blog entries like what do you mean like uh TV show TV shows horror movies ideas I've had in my head for a while just start jotting them down and you know just everything right now is just me just expressing whatever comes to mind you know uh anything that creatively strikes me yeah see that's a dream job for people to be able to just come up with things all the time just work on creating your your entire day spent mostly just concentrating on creating I'm not doing anything with those things yet but it's it's stimulating you know it doesn't mean that I'm might have some TV show tomorrow or or anything or it's just for me it it it just it's stimulating you know and and [ __ ] knowing me I [ __ ] around and might write the next [ __ ] you know like definely write something that you yeah something sell or something that could lead me to something else yeah who knows
but um and it probably also helps your your your creativity in the other areas as well right but then on top of that I I'm I was the king of being like Oh I have this idea but no that's not for me or no I couldn't do that I'm I music is my thing no I couldn't do that so now I'm like past that now there's nothing if it pops into my mind then I can [ __ ] do it cuz I thought about it for a reason mhm so now it's just about finding time for certain projects and I'm not in no rush you know I so you're not worried about being pigeon hole you're saying no I think I think I've done enough strong arming and let me get you know my space as an artist where I can kind of do whatever I want now at this point um so you reached out to me on but it still has to be good though like don't get me wrong like I'm always feeling like I'm vulnerable to make some [ __ ] you know like I don't I don't feel like I'm Invincible like and I think a lot of artists do get to that point where they feel Invincible like I am very capable of making some weak [ __ ] it's just y'all [ __ ] don't hear it you know and that's because I'm sitting there making sure that there's not weak [ __ ] scrapping the ones that are and and and working on the ones that started off weak but you know making sure that they were where they needed to be before you heard it um do you have are they like you got to know when to abandon them oh yeah you I know when to abandon some [ __ ] immediately and certain feelings you get you know when some [ __ ] is the right one and when it's not there there's jokes like that too it's very similar it's very similar some of them you just got to let go yeah and you can't and for songs it's it's much more emotional to let go some [ __ ] that you like cuz it might be on the right track to be in something gnarly like you put it on a shelf maybe like say revisit it yeah I go back every year I go back and listen to the [ __ ] that I made the year before how do you categorize them do you do you make notes or do you no they're all numbered you're just numbered you just so you go back you go okay this is from 2013 let me just listen to what I was doing yeah my my engineer I'll just tell him pull up everything we'll just listen to things one by one flag the ones that are good and or the ones that I you know cuz
that's the thing you you always got to give yourself a break and uh it's always good to listen to stuff with fresh ears I fine yeah and and also uh to just give your your your brain a break because for me I'm sitting in in the studio for hours listening to the same old [ __ ] like the same old beat you that you're working on you know so it's kind of like you need to back off a second like I like to you know work on a record bounce them whatever you know bounce them means kind of compressing all those sounds to one track to make that MP3 but no you know that's what you bounce down the file that's what you guys get on your um iPods is a Bounce Down file of all the all the files um so I'll bounce down everything uh every the ones that I feel like were close to being finished are reasonable enough for me to listen to and write to and um I won't listen to him that night I'll wake up the next day and while I'm making breakfast I might listen to him then with fresh ears and I'll be like oh [ __ ] most of the time it's like oh this is dope and because the night before I'm just like ah this [ __ ] sucks I don't know I'll listen to it tomorrow you know because I've been an hour I've been in the studio for hours too CL I'm by myself and I don't have nobody to tell me like yo that [ __ ] is fresh it's just like me and my own expertise I'm just like right now I think this is all [ __ ] but I'll bounce it down and I'll listen to it tomorrow and see how I feel and almost every time I do that if I bounce it down it's like dope and a lot of this [ __ ] could be for someone else and not for me mhm do you that it's a it's a thing about music too it seems like when when there's a song that I really like any genre it's like I really like it I like it at first and then I start really liking it when I keep hearing it I hear it a bunch of times and then as I'll hear it like the fourth or fifth time that's when I'll really get into it yeah and it's interesting how music does that like there's there's songs that you need to hear a bunch of times that's why people don't like new [ __ ] like if the Rolling Stones go on tour like they better play those [ __ ] Classics nobody wants to hear some weird [ __ ] you've been writing Keith yeah and that's what I learned I learned the hard way you know um you go out and you
do Coachella and it's like all right I got [ __ ] Coachella to do just's come with the hits let's give them let's give them the joints they want to hear you know I'm not going to go out in Coachella and be like all right guys so I know you guys know these songs as they are produced on the album but we're doing them all acoustic tonight and I'm doing them all in different keys so they won't even be formatted how you remember them but I promise you you have me tonight on this stage for at least an hour and a half Myro this just the worst show ever you know yeah when you go and do a new show like if it's totally new thing do you do a smaller clubs you [ __ ] around with like rock clubs no what you talking about like like if you're going to work like the first time you're going to do a a live perform like any of your new stuff material yeah tour tour because the tour is like for me it's the fan club you know I could go up there and and and fumble as many times I want all night and my fans are just like it's all good this is the clubhouse right right you know this is where you're supposed to [ __ ] up you know when you go and do Coachella there's no time right there's no time to [ __ ] up everybody's watching it's like the clubhouses where you dick around it's like you know when a comic goes to like the com the the the the um the club he used to do standup at before he blew up because he knows those as his people and could be himself there and try new jokes right you know that's the same deal like that's how I approach tour you know I don't let press in unless they buy a ticket you want to come to my show and [ __ ] buy a ticket cuz most of the time you give the Press their ticket and they're writing talking [ __ ] so it's like you giving [ __ ] a free pass to come see your show so they can talk [ __ ] it's like no [ __ ] you want to talk [ __ ] about my show you're going to have to pay for it well people feel like they can't get any attention unless they talk [ __ ] that's a that's a big issue with folks but it's like a like you know whatever the case may be I'm going to make you work hard to get in there to talk [ __ ] because it is a [ __ ] membership it's like the only people I want on my concert are people that really give a [ __ ] about what we're doing as artists you know and and and
you know understand me as a human being you know so let's say this is a very psychedelic point of view yeah I mean because it is at the end of the day like we were talking about before it's all an experience you know and and the show is even more so because it's bringing the songs to life like I'm there it's like a play me theater like I'm out there I'm I'm I'm I'm the showman for tonight and and I'm taking you to a place it's kind of like leave your worries behind is yeah it's like you I don't really want kids to you know the average hip-hop show it's like you see your favorite artists come out at best perform the hits they're almost there but you can't touch them but it's just dope to to know that you're in the same building with them and then that's the end of it and that's just what you take it's like man it was we were in the nose beds but it was really nice we was you know there tonight with that my favorite rapper or whatever this [ __ ] with me it's more therapy I'm confessing some things through song you're seeing me you know confess these things you can see the emotion as I'm performing you know and then there's kids out there that are connecting with it in such a way where it's like man I already connect with this dude but he's performing it in such a way where he means it even more he's singing it in a way where he means it even more in this environment you know it's like it's a different experience and I love giving people that experience you know I love connecting with them in a way where you know everybody at that concert is paying attention and and they're there because they they they want to experience something right you reached out to me about uh people asking questions about psychedelics like you Fielding questions about psychedelics yeah yeah um what where was the what was the motivation behind that uh just I saw a tweet from a young man he hit me up and he was he simply asked me uh you know how much he should take of some shrooms and I I don't know I was just I just saw her I was like huh okay I gave him the response and I didn't think nothing of it but then I saw a lot of people responding and I was like oh this is cool other people asking me questions and but then I was like holy [ __ ] uh this could be bad this
could be really bad but then it's like you know what the I am your big brother [ __ ] like if they're going to do drugs and they want to know about it at least ask me come to me you know I'll give you the the real [ __ ] you know uh if you want him to ask somebody ask me um and and that's kind of how I looked at it and uh it ended up being his thing but then I know that you talk about psychedelics and you have specifically talked about DMT because I answered the question about DMT and that's why I was like man we should talk about this with Joe you know because I know that I I I I mean I can't sit down with just anybody and talk about DMT even some of my friends I've I've told them that I've done it and they've like looked at me in a way where it's like you know it's like whoa you did DMT it's a game changer yeah yeah but that lets me know that there's people that don't understand it and they're not educated about it and so they just kind of hear these stories and uh that's also why I was like man it would be dope to if we just sat down and talked about it and educate some people because I just know it's I mean even some people are scared of AET it's a scary thing you know I tell people I remember this is a true story um hope but uh this is kind of like one of those things you know I'm not not throwing this kid under the bus but you know this is a reality um I was was at Coachella we were backstage I ran into the Whiz Khalifa uh you know and I see him you know often and he was you telling me he was doing shrooms or whatever and experiment with shrooms and I was like oh man you should do acid and he was just like No And I was like oh man well you know shrooms is like the training wheels of [ __ ] psychedelics and [ __ ] you know it's like he's oh man I'm not [ __ ] with that though you can just tell that it was just it made maybe maybe some he might have known somebody had a bad trip or he heard some bad things but like there was like fear and I was just like oh it's like man it's just people people are kind of like taken back when you say you do AET sometimes and even when I talk about it on Twitter people be like whoa chill you want some other [ __ ] it's
like man like I mean well that's the one where people always talk about going crazy yeah but I don't you can go crazy drinking too much yeah so I don't really you never had a bad trip on assd yeah but it wasn't because of me it was because I let some other [ __ ] come in the situation that wasn't ready with his [ __ ] you know you know how some people come in and try to act like they do this and don't do this and you know you have situations like that but so you bad tripped and you got dragged along La yeah because you got to you got to make sure everybody's cool and you want to you know help people out you don't want to leave nobody abandoned and I feel like that's the big thing with psychedelics is if you're doing it with people no matter if you know them well or not you don't want to Really Leave Nobody hanging you know and you want to right you want to try to find that Common Ground cuz everybody tripping you know and it's like you know everybody at the end the day we we tripping and it's it's scary cuz somebody just be like one minute you trying to kill me what no it's not what you think you know it's just bad right right I've never had no [ __ ] like that and I'm pretty sure people have dealt with that though you know definitely well that's the thing about acid is always the horror stories like we were talking about Pink Floyd like the dude from Pink Floyd which which one of those guys went [ __ ] crazy from Acid ah ah what the [ __ ] his name Jer jery you don't know yeah one of the dudes from Pink Floyd went [ __ ] crazy that's what Shine On You Crazy Diamond was about him that song was about him going [ __ ] crazy from doing too much asset hold on Shine On You Crazy Diamond I know part of the information I don't want to quote like I know it all yeah in Wikipedia da the man yeah it was written okay sh Shine On You Crazy Diamond is a nine-part Pink Floyd nine part Pink Floyd composition written by Roger Waters Richard Wright and David Gilmore and it's a tribute to former band member Sid Barrett Sid Barrett was the one who went bananas yeah allegedly allegedly um but that album cover too was just so [ __ ] sick too he's shaking his hand dude's on fire yeah yeah so [ __ ]
gnarly for real yeah he um apparently I don't know that's true the whole LSD thing but through the it says this is the Wikipedia it says throughout late 196 for um for Barrett for Sid Barrett throughout late 1967 and the early 1968 Barrett's Behavior became increasingly erratic and unpredictable partly as a consequence of his reported heavy use of psychedelic drugs most prominently LSD many reports described him on stage strumming one cord through the entire concert or not playing at all at a show at the film in San Francisco during a performance of interstellar overdrive Barrett slowly detuned his guitar the audience seemed to enjoy such Antics unaware of the rest of the band's consternation interviewed on the pat Boon show during the tour Sid's reply to Boon's question was blank and totally mute stare according to Nick Mason Nick W oh Sid wasn't into moving his lips that day so he was just he was just going he was just going he he went out there for whatever reason I mean I don't he's my hero yeah he might have lost his [ __ ] who knows or he might have just got tired of yeah he was like [ __ ] this probably yeah probably on acid all the time and just couldn't realize he was quitting Pink Floyd for acid he met that new girl and she was just still he was still in that old relationship yeah well we were talking about cigarettes earlier and in a world where cigarettes are legal and they kill half a million people in this country alone every year it's Preposterous to think that we're too much of a a group of [ __ ] babies to deal with psychedelics we need like centers we need centers where we have educated people with you know like degrees who understand that the human body doctors who can administrate it people can take care of people and and have them in these really comfortable environments where people go and they they they have the the possibility in a professional setting of experiencing these things and that should be a part of noral human culture cuz you've benefited from it I benefited from it Brian has kind of benefited from it it's debatable as he holds up his cigarettes camels smokes camels camet silly [ __ ] so silly do you think you can get hypnotized I
don't think hypnotized or I I don't think I can get hypnotized now too smart yeah I think I would just think about it the whole time overthink about all right this guy's trying to hypnotize me right now I can hear his voice all right I don't know I think I think I think you could do it bro they say IAS is one of the best ways to quit IAS is supposed to be like a really good way to quit smoking quit anything if you want to as you wake up I'm like I'm alive thank God but you go through it you go through the the journey and it's just so self- examinator even the regular DMT trips I've had they're intensely self- examinator yeah like the the the the Insight that you have into your own life in your own world your own mind is just it's it's scary cuz it's so it's so clear the clarity is so bizarre yeah it freaked me out man I'm I'm um I'm not going to lie and I've done you know I've done my fair share of AET you know I'm I'm big on psychedelics andm some Next Level [ __ ] yeah but I've had nothing like this and um uh you try to explain it and you can't because there's nothing you could there's no you can't find the words to explain sometimes what you see uh you know and and you're a little bit more educated about it than I am you can probably find the words you know like sometimes you [ __ ] talk like a scientist and [ __ ] I'm like following like but you know bullshitting trust me but you know at the same time like for people that might not be educated it's still hard for me to you know put in the words what I saw but you know the reality is is what you're seeing is everything literally melt down and Recon deconstruct and reconstruct around you and your eyes were wide open and literally for me that was the only thing that freaked me out the fact that my eyes weren't closed but my environment was completely altered immediately almost before I could even exhale all the smoke before I was even leaning back on my couch I mean the room rearranged itself and became something else and I felt happy Graham Hancock has a very fascinating way of looking at it and uh what he thinks the way he described it to me I never heard anybody describe it this way before but it made total sense he said ABN says you're taking drugs and it's distorting your perception of
reality and that's what you're saying he goes that is a possibility another possibility is that like a telescope needs to be tuned in to see a far off star that what you're doing by taking this chemical that your brain already makes yeah you're tuning into something that's ordinarily impossible for you to see and that there is this Dimension that is around you all the time and it is filled with intelligent entities and he said we must consider that that is also a possibility and that is a fascinating way of looking at it um because we really don't know what's happening and the people that aren't Blown Away by it or just the people who haven't done it if you've done it and you're not blown away by it I don't understand you I maybe you there's also supposedly some people who don't have a reaction to DMT there's a small percentage people it happens I've went two separate um occasions where first time I it didn't work for me and then the second time it did was the first time bad stuff or did you not I think the first time we didn't administer it right and then the second time it was done right you know the second time it was a second time was like because also I hit it extra hard because I was like ain't no mistake it's gonna work this time so I had this really like I man man you know what's [ __ ] was crazy my story is the same as yours almost it's it's slightly different in that I did it the first time I did it I I it was pretty [ __ ] profound intensely profound and I thought I'd hit the center of the universe I thought I'd and then the second time I did it I blew way past that spot to some complete new place where there was no avoiding it no denying it and I went oh this is it and then that's the spot I've been kind of going to pretty much every time since then yeah but the first time was unbelievably profound way more profound than anything else and I I didn't really even get all the way through right me I didn't I I haven't been through yet like that world that you're talking about like I haven't went through like I couldn't even get out of whatever was happening in that room in my house because it was I don't know if I was did you keep your eyes open i i i for the most most part my eyes
were wide open because I was so intrigued that like yeah like seen a bunch of [ __ ] around you yeah but then when I closed my eyes and I got over that then that was a whole another experience and that was this tunnel like thing and then it was dark it was more some evil [ __ ] happening there it didn't freak me out too much but you know cuz I know like that's another thing people like as long as you if you see some [ __ ] that might freak you out just remember you are on drugs you know like you took some [ __ ] you know or you're seeing demons for real yeah but they can't harm you you know just sit your ass still don't [ __ ] move and you know you'll come back hopefully hopefully hopefully but this was more just like just some some weird [ __ ] happened and I didn't go down that rabbit hole too far I just kind of open my eyes back open and was kind of still [ __ ] was weird but I kid you not Joe as soon as I was kind of like oh all right I'm over this then I came back H and then it was kind of like what I could describe as like an overlapping a little bit of that world in reality still a little Haze of it where it was shades of the other world was almost like I saw a face in the corner of my room just kind of dip back off into the walls yeah I saw like these kind of like spidery things kind of coming out my grammy and onto the ground but that's the thing though at this point my room was back to being it being a room you know what I'm saying like I was back to to reality but it was like this this this you know the world was still was like uh the echo from where I was at was still kind of in the room you know and it was it hadn't worn off yet completely yeah well you next time you do it don't do it that way next time you do it just keep your eyes closed and let it go away so don't keep my eyes open no I don't think so I think the keeping the eyes open part is uh is probably [ __ ] with you oh man I was yeah they say the best way to do it is in a really comfortable place I mean I loved it though it was it wasn't that scary positive yeah but I didn't go to I didn't go to that world that you that you said you were going to because my eyes were open it was really just I was just so int I wanted to paint when I got
done I wanted to paint everything I saw because I just had never seen that like that and and I never want to paint dude have you ever seen Alex Grace paintings yes and that's the thing but I don't know if it was my [ __ ] was going to be like that cuz I didn't go to that world right right right whatever you went to would be different in this world it was but like you know how you were saying like or some of those paintings are just like some guy and there's like all this energy around it's all these colors I didn't see that I didn't get there yet you know you probably yeah well most people don't get enough you know like just but like I said my first experience I thought it was pretty [ __ ] amazing and it still wasn't nothing like the second one the second one I was like oh I get it boy that was ridiculous I I I thought I was already there because what I had seen was still so much different than reality I was like wow this is the craziest thing ever but it was not even close to the actual craziest thing ever so you close your eyes every time yeah yeah never your open my eyes I've have opened my eyes before and what happens just you see patterns everywhere it's like it's you too much I think there's there's a conflict of information there's the information you're getting from your eyeballs two differents yeah and then there's what's going on in your imagination or your mind whatever the imagination is not even to imply that it's not real or it's not a real experience the imagine the term the imagination has a lot of like negative connotations to it but whatever it's going on when you got your eyes closed you're not there's no physical objects in front of you you're seeing all this stuff happening in your in your visual field with your eyes closed but you're not you know there's there's nothing you reach out and grab so that's why I'm saying imagination but whatever you're doing when you're doing that is real I don't know what it is I I don't know what the [ __ ] is happening yeah but it's real yeah dude we're out of time oh man it's over we did three hours flew by thank you man really appreciate it and I think it was cool for people to get a unique insight into your creative process it was really powerful all the [ __ ] that you shared about your personal life and the Coke and everything that
was amazing man thank you man thank you very much yeah anytime and uh ladies and gentlemen that's the end you dirty [ __ ] so uh we will see you very soon many more podcasts this week and uh until then go [ __ ] yourselves I love you guys much love to everybody big kiss Mah mwah mwah mwah mwah that wasun that was awesome we definitely I