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be if you're heterosexual cuz for the most part you don't see it until you you know reach an adult age and then you're out in the wild with the wild homosexuals that just frequent these uh thorough fars and these Avenues and in the wrong spot like if you're going down Santa Monica Boulevard and it's probably we should proba would you start the podcast right here well Joe is is there different levels of that where you look and see two people kissing and you're just like you know what I'm a little hungry for that or like oh my God that's hot like is it at all like on and off you think like just some people look at who to who what are you saying like if you're walking down the street and see ask me anybody if I walk down the street and I see two guys kiss each other do I ever say is that hot no no no is it completely hilarious and like weird or is it like mildly like oh I see what they're doing there or is it like cuz it seems thought this question out way way before you tried to express yourself in such a complex manner it just seems very like I wonder if there's different levels cuz I'm I'm I'm like that's hilarious and creepy and weird sometimes well depends on what the guys look like you know cuz there's a broad spectrum of masculine to feminine homosexuals just like there are you know like women look different you know I mean if if you run into two of a certain type of women making out it's not fun but if you you know it's it's uncomfortable but if you run into women that are just whatever for whatever reason they flow together well visually but if two Brad Pitts were kissing or Brad Pit and a George it would never be hot to me cuz I'm a straight male what it would be I would sympathize I would say you know it's weird that I I would judge and then I would hope that they don't run into anybody that's mean I do that would you take a photo no that's rude you have to if you saw him just making out like like against a a telephone pole depends if someone if they started taking their pants off I'd probably start filming start going after it but then you get caught with gay porn on your phone and then illegally acquired gay porn so you're a bad person and you're creep yeah you're not supposed to be just filming people I don't think you're supposed to just film people you know I
don't know what the rules are like about I guess if you do something publicly you should be assumed that you're filming it but if you just took film with some guys making out and put it on YouTube yeah but if you make a website called Joe news you could just say your news you just hang one of those signs around your neck like when they do for TV shows like filming in progress you walk through you will be show yeah legal zoom.com use the C- word Rogan Legal Zoom can help you out with all these questions I don't think they can yeah you can hire an attorney Legal Zoom is developed by top attorneys to provide self-help services at your specific Direction but they are not a law firm um they will provide you uh with a third party attorney though if the [ __ ] hits the fan I have to say all this before we get done with this otherwise I'll be stuck in this commercial for an hour um I'm stuck in anyway we we've used Legal Zoom Brian used it to form Death Squad um uh Aubrey used it to to make on it it's uh it's an awesome service so you go to Legal zoom.com and use the code word Rogan and last but not least we're brought to you by onet.com that is o n niit t a human optimization website and on it is right now releasing the newest of our uh artistic kettle bells the werewolf kettle bell the legend Bells we have the zombie bells of course which I think we're out of I think that's what's going on on the website here I don't see the zombie belt were're out of them we still have the great apes we still have some of those and uh we will I'm sure we'll have the zombie bells back cuz they were [ __ ] awesome we got some other ones that are coming out too we got some new ones oh that's nice man I like that yeah the werewolf's dope it's heavy as [ __ ] too the werewolf is uh it's a big one it's um 65 lb 28 kg 62 62 lbs Jes so it's a good one to work out with they look so cool but they hurt they hurt if you do any kind of like you to flip it over in your wrist like I used to do one with a skull and yeah it would just crack my wrist well you got to do is first of all you got to make sure that the face is outside facing the opposite direction that's a simple solution I guess that's that's what you do but that's hard to do when you're tired but the other thing is you got to learn the technique of like punching through like
when you swing a cattle Bell there's a certain amount of control that you develop with it where it doesn't ever hurt your arm because in like a lot of times uh people when they're starting out especially they'll put like wrist things on like they're trying to get an eagle to land on their arm like big cushion things so that when the kettle bell flips and hits it it doesn't hurt but you get you get to know what what's moving you're supposed to like twist it sort of almost yeah yeah you you twist it towards you first and then as you're going up you sort of punch through it and you got it's a if if you do it in a smooth motion it never really slams into your arm but the thing is if you're doing them right you're going to get tired and when you get tired that's when your Technique suffers that's when you can you can [ __ ] yourself up oh technique suffering is it's I've done so doing CrossFit I did so much back damage cuz I just never like worked hard on good form it's so important yeah welcome to the the club there's so many people that have hurt themselves doing that kind of stuff those uh powerlifting exercises you know especially um Steve um uh Maxwell who's a real expert in Fitness and the guy who's uh he's in incredible shape he's 62 years old guy's just an animal and just a wealth of knowledge he's not a fan of those type of workouts because he said that those powerlifting workouts should all be done with very strict form and very heavy weights and very low reps he's like so they're essentially taking these these workouts that are all about this one big explosion and the most you can get up and they're doing them over and over and over and over and over and over and some people can get away with that but some people get really [ __ ] up well they also add the element of like competition to it which I never really bought into cuz I was just doing it like try to lose a lot of weight and get in shape yes so I just I looked at it as like whatever was on that board was my workout but there was a competition element so it is funny that they spend about the first 15 minutes of any CrossFit class I've done is showing you the form of today's workout this is the proper dead this is a proper you know uh like clean power clean and then they do that for 15 minutes and then they go all right as
fast as you can now for seven minutes it's like and you know and these people are competitive people and they want to win so guys just like you just see they how they're bent over the wrong way and just like put so much stress on your back for anybody that's thinking about doing any kind of workout with either kettle bells or even just regular weights just dumbbells or barbells please start off slow if you've never done any workout before what working out is all about is tearing down your muscle fiber and then it heals and when it heals it gets stronger you have to tear it down and then you have to recover the recovery is one of the most important parts and that's one of the things that [ __ ] up a lot of athletes it's one of the number one issues when it comes to wrestlers like a lot of wrestlers because they're so mentally tough they overtrain they [ __ ] their whole their body up because their body's never getting the proper rest you know if you're not a competitive athlete that's in some sort of a program where you can't you can't decide how much workout you you have to do because you have to follow the team if you're not in that kind of an athletic program and you can do it yourself be [ __ ] smart about it it's hard to do because everybody wants to just godamn I've been a fat ass I've been eating donuts and drinking Cokes I need to just I'm going to clean up my diet and I'm G to work out like an animal if you do it too hard too quick you rip things apart you will your your body's not developed for it you got to build up to those kind of workouts that's why it's that's why like steroids what they do is like they help you heal fast you can work out harder I think it's that's such a funny misconception always about steroids where even in movies they would make it like you know it's like they stick steroids in Drago's arm and he could just win fights like you know what I mean people always treated with Barry Bonds like that they were like he takes steroids like he injected in his arm so he can crack home runs they go it still requires a ton of exerc and workout those guys work harder still than anybody else you definitely but you definitely have an advantage over everybody else who works hard if you're on it without an argument you know I mean none of these guys are
taking it and then just being World beaters they're taking it and working out like demons and then being World beaters yeah there's a lot a lot going on with that stuff but the real problem with it is that crashes their endocrine systems it [ __ ] up their body I was list watching this this thing on bodybuilders man this video I was watching this online where this guy was interviewing a bodybuilder I responded to him it's my timeline yesterday it's the craziest [ __ ] ever this dude who was a a big-time competitive bodybuilder talked about how he got into it and talked about all the stuff that he was dumping into his body and it's like whoa [ __ ] pain pills every day vikin steroids this that is his kid he's like 30 his kidney was like ready to go like they were like dude you're going to be on dialysis in a year like it's over like you're going to have to need new kidneys like you're you're just crashing the whole party just big giant purple [ __ ] grape monster with needle marks and [ __ ] veins everywhere and they just get addicted get addicted to that thing of sticking chemicals in your body and making your body bigger and training like a monster you'd call them a junkie too if it was like if if you saw what they did like they have like you know a plate I mean I grew up with my stepfather was a competitive powerlifter so he was a knew a lot of friends were bodybuilders and stuff and you see these guys have like a plate of pills in front of them every day just like oh my god wow that's so crazy he's like junky Behavior not yeah that's not healthy folks but yeah junky Behavior it's it exists in a lot of forms exists in gambling you know the gambling is the big one I'm I'm around so many people I know so many people that have really crazy gambling problems that video that you just put up Keith is going to be on the podcast we're working it out right now it looks like he'll be on October 10th really looking forward to uh having him on and talking to him that the video is the best workout video I've ever had the extreme kettle bell cardio workout series they're so brutal that's all you need folks you don't need a gym membership you need a DVD costs 30 bucks you take one kettle bell a 35lb kettle bell and it will [ __ ] you up I mean literally you don't need any more
equipment and that kettle bell will be around to the end of time it's solid metal those things they're so [ __ ] durable you never have to worry about them breaking I mean you buy one you have that for life you can pass those things including the artistic ones the werewolf and the chimpanzee those are solid cast steel I mean those are iron kettle bells these are like like the old Russian metal I guess it's I guess it's um I guess it's iron but the Russians were the ones who de develop these things this uh this design I mean there's some of them they make some of them that're like aluminum on the outside and they're kind of weighted on the inside these are not those these are solid solid metal and they're awesome you can't get like any better quality kettle bells we found the best ones you can get online and they're a little more awkward in some ways to lift with than uh some of the um like what they call competition kettle bells that are larger kettle bells but lighter but that awkwardness I think is good you know everybody's trying to be do [ __ ] comfortable with these goddamn things they're difficult to use and I do that's how I do my squats now I put a 70 in each hand and I do those things Jesus it's awesome go all the way down to your ass touches your Cales and just think you're [ __ ] fighting for your life think that werewolves are chasing you and [ __ ] while you're holding on to it I do I think that like my life's in danger I think I'm like I'm on a hunting trip and I'm trying to get up a tree and a bear's chasing me or something do you have like the werewolf ones like like right here going it's funny someone referred to that kind of like training it's like a like apocalypse training yeah you know it's all functional movement what could you do like that functional movement is like it's huge like pull-ups and stuff like those basic movements like it's amazing how I can't do a pull-up still like if I was if I remember always feel that feeling if you were like falling from a building and in movies they'll catch themselves in a ledge and they're like yeah like if I just going to delay me dying for like a couple more seconds like I couldn't possibly pull my B maybe maybe with an adrenaline shot I shoot up
but something tells me if I had to pull my own body weight up a building I'd be gone if you had to catch Yourself by hands you'd have to be like one of those parkour dudes those super gymnast dudes most of us would just spaz off the building and [ __ ] crash to our death you had Coke nails they would probably like like werewolf Coke Nails have you ever seen those Russian guys who go out on like the cranes yeah and do like chin-ups and stuff I can't watch that sh that much it makes my legs feel weird uh on it.com on andit we don't have to end this or we can end this rather we don't have to do any music [ __ ] it we're just talking uh use a code with Rogan save 10% off any and all supplements a lot of new [ __ ] in um including uh if you haven't had it yet the the warrior bars which are the most awesome [ __ ] thing ever this um thing that we had made uh it's an ancient Lota recipe it's uh organic buffalo meat I'm bringing stacks of these when I go up to Alaska uh no antibiotics no added hormones and it's got 14 grams of protein and uh 140 calories four grams of fat for every 2 O serving very healthy for you all kinds of cool [ __ ] on it and again use the C- word Rogan save 10% off any and all supplements Brian cue the music out is it [ __ ] up again no you said you didn't want to do music so I unplugged it oh you already unplugged it that's how wonky our [ __ ] system is we need a better system where you can't just unplug Press Play I I usually unplug it just so nothing bad happens like in the middle of it I get like an instant message or something and you're like what the [ __ ] was that do you get instant messages on your iPad no but I'm saying if something like that were to happen you know got big J what up dog yeah buddy thanks for coming in man thank you for having me very exciting what is that is that an ecigarette you puming on you know Congress is trying to [ __ ] ban those finally that's fine they're stepping in governments stepping up and ending these evil evil ecigarettes that are stealing money from the mouths of the babies of the families that own the tobacco companies which is Marboro who makes who makes your preferred brand uh logic and I do with the logic zero no nicotine no ni oh I see so it's like a just a a habit thing crutch yeah yeah
but I haven't I it's I actually looked yesterday I'm like 29 days from a year that's interesting that that's interesting like a zero tobacco thing that just fills the Habit cuz you got a habit of pure pure water vapor yeah wow and there's no feeling whatsoever do you get like a little mental thing that happens a mental thing yeah when I get the itch to go like the things I've always wanted to do what are you putting up uh they just uh New York just said that now uh ecigarettes are allowed to have paid commercial during movies now and this has not you know they haven't had that for 16 years since regular cigarettes were wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute you mean before the movie play yeah like paid product placements oh but wait a minute that's not a product placement is that before the the movie or in the movie paid prodct placements in films has been off limits for tobacco companies for 16 years so now they're allowed to have paid like in movies there's they're allowed to be paid so what you're saying is like if you watch The Incredibles or whatever and they p cigarettes they're going to paid for that I don't know why I said the Inc I was say St throw Toy Story well I was going to say um I was what's that November man what's the new one with the the fella so if he's smoking an ecigarette it's one of those things right if he gets paid to do it that's so weird that's that they do that on television you know like you you only be able to use like Mac computers on some shows it's so weirdly obvious too I was remember American Idol like every judge happened to be drinking a Coke turned out to the right yeah well there's that too and there's just there's also like on certain shows like you'll see everything even movies you'll see like every product is a Sony and they'll they'll close up on the Sony phone when someone gets a phone call so you see the Sony logo and it'll be on a vile laptop and you go oh Sony has a deal in this movie actually when it's not Sony it seems like it's always not like they always use Apple computers and they always have the sticker over the Apple logo or iPhones but they have the Apple logo covered up for some reason like every single TV show so it's almost like Apple's like no obviously anle you have to pay us to show that Apple no no
no you got it totally wrong the opposite yeah it's they don't get paid by Apple so they cover it up that's what it is if Apple paid them then they would have yeah they're like we're not going to advertise your thing but isn't it weird that it seems like every show does use Apple products in all their shows they want to you know there's like a cult of Apple in Hollywood for sure you know I'm not sucking my own dick but I did a show called P didy bad boys of comedy on HBO and that was it turns out that was just an entire season of a TV show to promote Shawn John clothing really and they made you you had to wear sha John clothing yeah you had when you they dress me up in like hip-hop clothes it's great it's really minute you had to wear their clothes to do stand up on their show and all they could find in my size was a short sleeve like zip up sweater that said Sean John across the front real big oh my God and I was about 70 lbs heavier than I am now wait a minute you did you did stand up with a Shawn John shirt on because they made you wear it oh yeah I I mean I did BET's Comic View with him my pant leg rolled up in my first like year of Comedy I think one pant leg rolled up like L Cool J I bought it in full wigger I went hard on it did you for how long just you know what it was I figured out I started out in a black comedy room and I just found out I could [ __ ] destroy if I just went right to him on that level now I actually LOE that kind of comedy and it's fun to expose that like the white guy who goes into a black room and just like come on y'all you know when you buy a [ __ ] a drink and then that [ __ ] walk away I'm going to go dancing with that drank [ __ ] I bought it and you know yeah yeah yeah cuz you know every jok's you up in a club well there's a few white guys who take on that role with zealous intention yeah you know there's a few of those white guys there's always like one or two of those out there that like get known as a white guy who does Black rooms oh man yeah Gary Owen I watch him it blows my goddamn mind I have no idea it's like listen it's like listening to what's funny is when you if they turn the microphones off on the audience you'd be like and you said there's all black people in the audience you'd be like well they're probably Furious right at what's happening like they're
basically being called clowns like they won't understand a white guy unless he does this and then you turn on the volume of the audience and they're just roaring high-fiving just losing their [ __ ] in the audience you're like really it's such like a it's such a grand scheme Pander it's blows my mind you're allowed to do that Panda though as long as it's it's like positive you're allowed to do that Panda if you do it good it seems phony it seems so phony it seems really phony because there's guys I worked with in the black circuit when I started that like fantastic Comics Black Bill Burr used to do some of those rooms you know but isn't it weird that like no one has any issue whatsoever with uh a black guy who does like alternative comedy like that really dead pan you know white nerdy comedy no one no would say he's taking on the affectation of the white nerds no but I'll tell you what that guy eats [ __ ] in a real black comedy room the black nerd right right the black nerd the black nerd is not accepted by it no well the white guy who acts like a black guy eats [ __ ] in a lot of white comedy clubs yeah that's what happened when I first came to New York and I was ridiculous wow it's so crazy that they make you wear their clothes this lady would not stop hunting you couldn't say no couldn't say it was a part of the part of the deal yeah wow there was also some contract where uh in that where it's like he was your manager for like three years beyond that show or something like he got a managerial cut of anything because assuming anything you got uh moving forward from P's bad boys of Comedy somehow was because of because of P didy that's no joke man I've seen that in reality show contracts I've seen that where friends were thinking about going on a reality show and they brought the a contract to someone and it turns out like say if you're like on a you know if they created some new show like a real housewives type show and then you became like the breakout star and and took off and had like cookbooks and [ __ ] like a lot of these chicks do and started making bank they get a big fat piece of that man that's not all yours on some of these contracts oh yeah because you'll be it'll even be called Like Oxygen
networks whatever chick presents yeah it could be I mean you're allowed to use that in your credit you know like as seen on you know sha Diddy's Bad Boys comedy you're allowed to use that you know what I'm saying aidic they'll own you like they're saying that you have no value other than the value that they gave you I mean they own it like they don't just they don't benefit from having a talented person on their show that rewards them and gets them ratings which in turn gives them more advertising no no no no no they want a piece of your future Prosperity your future Prosperity based on you being an entertaining person that they put on television so not do they want to pay people just a [ __ ] tiny amount of money then they want to script what they're doing but then treat them like they're not even actors they treat them like they're these weird slaves these robots they in the world yeah yeah because an act no actors let anybody do that you can't you don't get on a sitcom and they say okay we own all your book sales and your [ __ ] you know anything you do in the movies or anything from here on out but the reality stars though are you totally against it because there's some issue of the reality stars that are completely made by the network they are that's what though but yeah but how is it any different than actors because actors are better at it because they're they because there's there is a skill there yeah there's something that's like what about the ones that suck but I mean like do you think like uh like Snookie should always give some Kickback to MTV to some degree no no I don't I disagree Chef Gordon Ramsey well he say I think those are his shows I don't know he's on like four different shows yeah but I think those are his shows yeah he creates those you know what I'm saying like he's a pretty famous dude that's not a good example and he also has a skill it's like he's a a world-renowned chef it's not like Snookie you know you know what I'm saying talking gu already famous if it depends on what you do though if you're like the guy who's on The Bachelor and he owns like a horse stable mhm if after that show the horse stables business picks up huge I don't think there should be any Kickback from something like that but if he does something moving on like
another reality show like The Bachelor All Star whatever thing like sure I think to some degree dude I think that's crazy talk I think a person who's working for you when they're doing something like that if you're a producer of a a television show or executive and a network or what have you who I don't know who's getting the money and you hire someone you're hiring someone because you think that they're going to be the best performer in this production that you're putting on let's stop pretending they're reality shows the only reality show is [ __ ] cops okay you know how you know it's a reality show cuz one of the guys got shot and killed the other day cuz it's real they really are yeah sound guys and they film the whole thing like regular cops style yeah the guy got shot and killed a [ __ ] sound guy did that's a that's the only real reality video out there no it hasn't been released yeah it's a really recent thing um but when you're watching a lot of these shows whether it's about selling cars or you know whether it's about being in a pawn shop it's all rigged yeah it is everybody knows what the subject's going to be beforehand they know what the scenario is they're painting so you're basically an actor you're in some quasi actor okay they can't they put you on the show say if we we do [ __ ] big G big Jay's Grill house and uh I decided I'm going whole hog and then you see like a hog spinning around on a thing big J I do standup comedy but I also love cooking so I decided to open up and then they they what they own you they own you they own a piece of you forever that's hor [ __ ] the reason why they want you on the show in the first place whether you're some crazy housewife that [ __ ] gets pilled up and starts screaming at people or whether you're Charlie Sheen if ever does a reality show the reason why they want you is because they think people are going to tune into you and they're going to benefit from that like they can't they can't own you because they made you [ __ ] off no you're right I guess who are you talking about originally I can't even remember who you're talking about I'm not talking about anybody in specific I'm talking about these reality shows These reality shows where they take people and you know we're talking about him being
forced to wear those shirts and I'm saying that these these shows that like like him saying that he was going to be uh managing him for three years afterwards they they connect people weird they'll own you for like a time after they'll get a kick but I guess you're right even in the example that I use I guess like Snookie really like she was cast to do something so in some in essence she is an actor when that camera's on you man let's be real it's very difficult for people to be themselves it's just very difficult when the camera's on you and they say ready go you're performing whether you're performing in some weird sort of uh uh uh sitcom is reality show that's just not it's not based on I know what the [ __ ] is really going on like did you see Allan thick show what no he had Allan thick had this reality show you would watch him you go why didn't you just do a sitcom like just so set up it's so set up everything is set up je Simmons thing is like that too right exactly it's it's sad and I love Jean Simmons I love Jean Simmons do you have a Kiss shirt on I love kiss I found a letter the other day that I'm Paul Stanley's coming in I found a letter the other day that I I read I wrote rather to some magazine when I was 11 years old like a kiss letter yeah my mom saved it so I'm going to bring it in and read it to Paul Stanley what's what's his new don't they have a new show Jan Simmons has a new show him and Paul stany have some arena football show I don't know what what they're doing I don't know what doing but the the reality show that reality show those are hard to watch you especially with ones like why is Mark wallberg doing a reality like he's killing it in life but yeah but he's getting exposed as being a doofus by his real show that's what I mean it makes him look like it just looks it looks like a desperate move when it's not well he's not it's a narcissistic move I guess I don't even think it's that I think he probably wants to help all those other people out that's help his brothers yeah he's helping his brothers and his family out it's it's helping them like actually helping them like giving them money so it's like come ear a little bit I guess I think having him a part of it without a doubt I mean he's a mega movie star
having him a part of it ensures it success people want to see Mark Wahlberg hanging around with his family period I'll watch I'll watch a show a reality show that I find interesting to some degree at least give it a couple chances I couldn't and I I very much enjoy Mark Wahlberg yeah but I could couldn't even drum up a reason to give it a shot to watch that other than other than other than to watch it for the wrong reasons and if he's welcoming that that's kind of weird well what we were saying earlier I think is really true about these reality shows being completely scripted but the reason why is because these kind of shows can happen where they're just boring nothing's happening you know if the Kardashians aren't fighting with their mom or fighting with their boyfriend this guy's out of rehab or that girl's pregnant it's always like something you're tuning into there's always some chaos so they know how to hook you up oh the best one is the the best show by far and I recommend it actually like watch it it's great uh even if you skim through it on DVR the Bad Girls Club you ever seen that I've heard of it I can watch that over and over girls myself they're pieces of [ __ ] I mean these chicks are like garbage and every week they fight online they they fight over just immediately out the the gates it's like this [ __ ] thinks she's cute and they like what' you say [ __ ] and then they and then they Hospital fights fights to get up at the hospital well that's how they stay on television oh yeah then the producers come out and they say like look we let you guys fight you know it happens but you did you hit her in the in the eyeball with a high heel so we're going to we're going to have to ask you to leave and it's like a te like you know I'm going to miss my girls like it's it's [ __ ] it's ridiculous in the eyeball with a high heel yeah man and and people will take things to the next level because that's how you get noticed if you don't take things to the very next level you don't get noticed yeah it I mean that's why I mean the UFC is such a great example that it's buried boxing you know what I mean like it sort of has well the problem with boxing is there's only like a few big stars that there's like a few fights that you want to see and it's they're just going to punch like the
Floyd Mayweather um ma Donna fight this past weekend right Mayweather's a master he's a master boxer it's beautiful to watch I mean he really knows how to fight I mean he's just one of the rare real like him and Bernard ha kins James Tony is a good example just the real uh Andre Ward just boxing Masters like if you understand how difficult it is what they're doing it's amazing watch yeah but you're watching a guy paint a really beautiful picture where in MMA you get that too and you get to satisfy that gladiator HS you want to see two guys fight I get my ears perk up on anytime I see people fighting on the street or anything it's like yeah that's human DNA yeah well the just the added elements of takedowns and chokes slams and it makes it more crazy kicks and if you're a guy who's a fighter if you're a young man who can box the reason why there's no stars I think is you're almost like I could probably learn some spin kicks and really like that's such a much more glorious way to win is you know you know the cage like you know Anthony Pettis cage kicks wins are like the prettiest thing you've ever better than any you know or or at least tied with any great Tyson knockout and I love what are you doing uh there's that fight that we were uh talking about earlier where a student a a black girl attacks a teacher and starts slapping don't don't say what it is let's show it we going to get in trouble for this no is This World Star Hip-Hop no I think it's the new was on the news that's the best so this is like someone film it with their iPhone is that what happened yeah oh Lord [ __ ] whoa [ __ ] oh my God she's attacking the teacher whoa this is crazy this chick is just swinging at the teacher oh he Judo hip tossed her and her down why slam whoa that's crazy that school needs crazy Joe Clark holy lean on they need to Lean on Me principal I think I would have went more crazy he handled it way better than if that chick started slapping me well this is a this is gets into the subject of what we were talking about the other day with uh Anthony kumia getting hit on the street while he's taking photographs people don't
react well that guy reacted very well to getting hit he didn't hit back right A lot of people just hit back when they when they get hit and if you're especially if you're a man and you're hitting a woman anytime people are hitting people if a woman hits you it's [ __ ] dangerous man getting punched in the face is like everybody thinks that a woman could punch you in the face and you're going to be fine like no there's a lot of women that'll knock you the [ __ ] out man if they especially if they connect on your jaw you can't be hitting people and if you can't you know if you do hit people man you got to be really careful who you're hitting because if they hit you back like if that guy just decided to tea off on that check I mean you see the way he threw her to the ground that's a guy who knows martial arts for sure and he was avoiding all of her hitting him but he wasn't hitting her back but if he did man you're running in flailing your arms and some guy uncorks one on your face you fall back you're unconscious you're going to bounce your head off the ground and sometimes people die from that [ __ ] Y and that's a real problem when people get knocked out they fall down and they hit their head on the ground and die it's like you're pretty much maybe having a really bad car accident with your face which yeah it's just like that it's it's the ground is completely like there's there's it resists 100% like there's no give to it like if you fall in dirt you're going to be probably okay you know like if you fall in a grassy area you you get a concussion but you might crack your head wide open if you fall in concrete I've seen it like a bowling ball you ever dropped a bowling ball that sound imagine that's your head yeah and the the amount of distance that your head travels if you're a 6ot tall man and someone knocks you out you're probably going to travel a good five and 1 half six feet I mean depending on how you're standing you go unconscious you're that's a lot of distance probably more than 6 feet cuz it's you know you're going to fall back first too I mean there's probably going to be a lot of momentum connected to your head bouncing off that concrete it's awful it's awful those [ __ ] videos freak me out man oh the fight videos some crazy like face
kicks and stuff I can't believe I'm almost like so shocked at the mentality of someone that can do like inflict that kind of harm on somebody I always think that there's a lot of them out there that people aren't aware of so I'm not shocked when I see it I'm always like I [ __ ] knew it I know there's people like that out there I know there's people that have experienced just awful [ __ ] from the time they were born if you grow up in a household where everybody's beating the [ __ ] out of everybody and you go to school and people beat the [ __ ] out of everybody and you see abuse and you see people are going to jail left and right and life has no value and you seeing people die that's what you're seeing when you watch those World Star Hip-Hop tapes where a dude's out cold and guys are running by just punting him in the head I've seen a bunch of those yeah me too it's always like it's like it's shocking that someone can do that to somebody else that's a wakeup call for people man unless you're if your life was directly threatened and you were in that kind of a rage may but I once somebody's down like I don't know I've been in a I've been in i' say for for a guy my age a decent amount of street fights in my life but I've never uh I've never had like a kill urge ever you know I've lost I've won but even when I win like when it's over it's kind of over you know what I mean I've never like try to put somebody like d you know depend on why you're fighting right my point but even if like I don't know was a guy beating the [ __ ] out of your girlfriend you know what I'm saying sure you know what I'm saying like what if you pulled up somewhere and just got there right when a guy was beating the [ __ ] of your girlfriend I'm not saying not to knock him out but I mean like to punt somebody's head like I don't know I just don't know where my killer rage kicks in like actual murderous rage I don't know where that level is in me yeah I think I think it's pretty deep I'm pretty mellow dude yeah but I think if you were confronted I mean you might be I don't you I don't know you but if you were confronted by someone that you were trying to protect someone that you cared about very much and you're trying to protect them that's
when people get murderous when they feel like someone is a being like someone's trying to murder when you love that's when people get murderous you know that's a a very common one that's I'm saying my point is being like a street I promise whatever the situations were on the World Star Hip-Hop videos where guys are getting face punted I promise they weren't it wasn't calling for that yeah you most likely punting a guy who's already unconscious I've seen a few of them where it's people just being drunk idiots yeah laughing like laughing about or talking [ __ ] or starting a fight when they were too drunk and they got knocked out and then once they were out everybody just started taking free shots at them did you ever see that it's literally the worst people in the world quite possibly be and I think you would agree especially someone who's trained in martial arts what you have and have you ever seen that video of the guy the the weird homeless black guy who's crazy and he goes into the karate studio oh yeah and they kill him and they I don't know if he's dead but that was supposedly what happened was he died that's I mean the noise he's making after that excess and and what's what's ridiculous about it it was such a a [ __ ] wagging because the reason that guy went so far is because when he was trying to like do a show off like oh let me stand up and fight this guy and like you know shut him up he wasn't doing very good like yeah the karate guy was not like beating his ass in this fight like that this weirdo was actually like giving him a hard time to some degree well the other guy knew how to fight a little bit you know the other guy knew how to fight a little bit the guy got killed yeah he definitely had you think so really yeah enough that he had been in fights before you know he wasn't totally helpless the guy beat the [ __ ] out of him but you were right in the beginning he wasn't getting the best out of it yeah I think the guy had probably I mean he must have had some street fighting and he was also crazy he crazy the guy thought but the guy thought yeah the guy thought he was going to like kind of like knock him around a bit and and make him look stupid but it was taking him long we should Snopes that cuz I don't even know if that's true uh you know man kills man in homeless man in Karate
Academy kills and I feel racist for Assuming he's homeless I don't know if he's hom he is I mean that's what the story always was guy's black and crazy he's probably homeless in Karate Academy Snopes let's see Karate instructor unofficial decom murder of mentally CH challenged man yeah it seems like it really happened man but I mean those face Stomps like what kind of human being does that kind of but I mean the kind of guy who gets a buzz cut and grows a mustache and and works in a karate school do you know what I mean like that guy seems like not that you can't be crazy and be all those things but doesn't it seem like a guy's a little put together well the guy who was the uh main guy was a marine he's a karate instructor and uh he let his uh his student was who fought this guy and his student allegedly actually killed this guy it's like the real it's like the real life cobra kaai found a real evil karate teacher yeah but there's a thing man that people do um there's a video Brian if you want to pull it up what should I should I search well actually we probably shouldn't some see someone getting killed right fued up I mean it's online but it's really it's it's a tough one to watch even well that's a he was up for assault in the 18th of the month on an unregulated charge wow so I don't know what the [ __ ] actually you think if if it's true you think with that kind of evidence should that guy die okay this is stupid man they don't know what the [ __ ] they're talking about hold on a second this is one of the things that says source es in the medical and law enforcement community community tell us that indeed the victim must have died the snoring at the end is so-called agonal agonal breathing in a sign of massive brain damage and impending death that's just not true it isn't true when you get knocked out you snore that's whoever said that has never seen someone get knocked the [ __ ] out when people get knocked out they have that horrible snoring it happens all the time that's really scary scary [ __ ] scary [ __ ] the first time I saw that was saw somebody laid out just it doesn't mean they're going to die that's not true at all so whoever
wrote this story I don't believe him now this guy should come out and do a show You' be funny if he just comes he has like a diagonal face his face is just got the foot guys footprint it still it's all um a v there's a video of it and there's all these stories of it but none of them substantiate any like legal stuff I guess you'd have to look into it deep enough but apparently this [ __ ] was a long time ago yeah think it was a long time but I mean but based on the theory that if he did die do you think that guy deserves to Die the guy who did it the guy who died deserves to die or the guy who killed him the guy who killed him well with that kind of evidence like it's clearly from that it's clear that they were they were fighting I don't know what the conversation was that led that guy to be fighting that guy I don't know if he said I'm going to come in and fight to the death I don't you know what I'm saying do you know what I'm saying I don't it didn't seem like that kind of a dark underground like Kuma taste situation like some place in De Mo Iowa right it was I think it was in somewhere in Georgia but anyway the guy was a schizophrenic so it really doesn't matter what he said he's crazy I mean that's why it it happened in Virginia December 13th 1984 and he's obviously crazy too that's the thing he walks in you're like this guy's a and you could have you that guy literally also could have hugged him MH and that would have ended the situation do you know what I mean there's a thing that happens in martial arts schools though where um if you're running a martial arts school crazy people will show up and they'll start like they'll start [ __ ] I've seen it I've seen it firsthand I've seen it at my ta no school he would my my instructor would take guys like that that would come into the schools and he would make them spar with black belts and put them just like uh you know he go okay so you know how to fight you're pretty good guy right uh we're going to do some sparring here okay um you have your gear we have gear for you do you have your gear and you would like lure these guys in because they would come to school and they would go you are a false Master you are false Master you don't truly know martial arts and you know they try to reason with him listen sir
you know you can uh was the wuang clan watch a class but you can't yell things out like people there's nutty people that will come in that have like real mental issues and they could be dangerous you know they also could be martial arts trained too there's a lot of people that just learned how to throw kicks and punches from friends like like if you teach an athletic person how to deliver a good straight punch and just show them the mechanics of it and they practice on a heavy bag they can [ __ ] you up if if they hit you they don't they don't really have to be like really well trained and disciplined and so there's a lot of people that have martial arts abilities like the ability to punch you really hard in the face but they don't really know how to fight they don't they've never been formally trained but they might charge you and punch you in the face and they could be really dangerous so if you're in a sort of a scenario like that a lot of times these martial arts instructors are forced to defend themselves against these crazy people that it didn't seem like that didn't seem like that in this video in this video it seemed like they lured the guy in set up then beat the [ __ ] out of him to death the saddest part is at one point during like when they're just kind of like it almost seems like slap boxing mhm the homeless guy stops him and he goes you're good he gives him like a compliment goes you're good yeah it's kind of a [ __ ] up video and he starts say he does he starts saying don't stop at one point he does tell him to stop and then it just gets stop stomping on him while he's down it's it's gross mhm I don't know if the guy died um but if the guy did die yeah that's that's basically murder I mean it's like perfect example what we said is where would that murderous rage come out would it come out if someone was trying to kill your mom you probably would probably would come out but this guy wasn't in that scenario this guy was like the guy was saying don't like he he was saying stop he had given up like a healthy person backs away at that point yeah the guy it's like it's merciless it's just complete like the guy was so offended somehow but I wonder if they just got away with [ __ ] like that and this is the only one that people saw
like I wonder if this had happened more than once cuz like if a guy's willing to beat a guy to death like that and then dispose of a body and this is the only piece of evidence that some schizophrenic guy was murdered like that motherfucker's probably killed a bunch of people before and he's a Marine that's the other thing so we don't know what kind of action he saw you know if you if you have you you know you're serving your country and you're used to killing people on a regular basis then you come back home and some [ __ ] crazy skitso guy wants to come into your karate school and talk [ __ ] yeah you let a guy kill him like why not you've been killing people for years in the 80s that was like how they Yelp reviewed like karate schools like how many homeless guys have you killed three homeless guys in counting I was a part of many challenge matches where people showed up at the school and I got to watch them fight friends I I fought dudes that just showed up at the school that was a super common thing but you can more or less with that well we took him to deliver a couple really oh yeah we took a lot of those guys to the hospital after we beat them up we'd bring them to the hospital after they sparred but easily could have happened to me I mean I was good but they there's a lot of good guys that came in too there were yeah guys had they had Talent there's a lot of they want to fight would you put on gloves depends depends on like what they said a lot of it was Bare knuckle really yeah yeah cuz you you didn't know like what they wanted to prove you know what is what I've never and I've never been good at even back in school when it was the meet me at the library I'd throw a punch then see when the guy would say it because I was like if I got to think about it till 3 I probably won't show like I'll probably chicken out like later like I'm angry now let's just do it let's get into it that's probably the best way to get everything broken up and keep it from being like some that no teachers or adults know about the problem is if you go in a field meet me in the field then it's like Children of the Corn someone can get killed yeah Lord of the Flies I had to do that a few times and it was with bullies and it always sucked but it always turned out me beating them up so
it was great what kind of bullies did you beat up one was one is now a one is now a cop and the other guy I think is dead wow most most of the guys who talk the most [ __ ] though just never had to really be confronted with somebody like stepping up to it when you're a kid everyone's kind of I mean I bought into it too that's why I said but whatever was instilled in me by my dad and stpp pop was like very much like get it going while you're angry you know what I mean like don't don't wait for it and that's why I uh what I was going to ask when they'd come in they'd say like you know Rogan go teach this punka lesson like like what was going we didn't conversation about yeah you'd get nervous as [ __ ] but the idea behind it was my instructor was training a bunch of people for National tournaments so the idea was like these guys can't hang with you you're a national level competitor and this is a good thing to experience because it's very dangerous so you're going to be able to you're going to have to perform under some very real pressure like people just swinging at your face and you know you're you're dancing around inside this closed area looking to knock each other out and it happened a lot it happened I mean not a lot but it happened every 3 4 months over the course of like seven years that I was there every 3 or four months some guy from another school would come into town and would want to show people up would like you want to show everybody how much better his style was and people would duke it out it was it was crazy when you stop and think about it but this is all pre-ufc and there was a lot of delusional people too there was a lot of people that thought that their martial art literally could not be beaten if they did a certain type of wing Chong and if they could go to a Taekwondo school and Spar they would just run through people there would be no way they could stop them did you get half off your monthly dues if you won the fight I didn't I didn't pay at at after a certain amount of time I taught so you kill three homeless people you don't have to when I was a kid I started out when I was really young I was like uh when I was 15 I was completely dedicated and I was there every day so they would give me things to do they
would give me like I would clean things or I would teach classes I taught a lot of private lessons like the people that are first starting out you have to learn in you know like in private lessons for and since I Advanced really quickly and I'd spent so much time there I was pretty good at breaking down the technical aspects of like certain moves you know it's funny and pardon the the hand job here but I think you're a a fantastic comedian super funny and uh you have such the origin story of a guy who would not be do know I mean but but yet I know a few people like that too people that are very like strict in life about certain things Mike veon hilarious comedian same thing he like a very like regimented guy grew up football PA he was good at it he excelled wrestling went to Penn State wrestling there you know and then but hilarious comedian but usually that doesn't breed the funny guy yeah I think people usually like the introvert or not or you know the weird kind of like social awkward guy or the class clown type goes onto that but it's not usually someone who's like a strict like you know usually that story becomes like you know I have four kids they all we Dockers and [ __ ] sweaters no one says [ __ ] but I'm not like a I'm not strict I just get into things I'm just very motivated like I'm I'm more like I wouldn't say I'm disciplined as much as I get more obsessed you know I'm disciplined at things that I'm obsessed about but I'm not like the a strict person in any other way like I'm not strict socially I'm saying usually the the comics who like a guy who's in shape and doing comedy and like cares about that and cares about his health like just it tends to not always be it's usually a guy it's like you know so I'm [ __ ] some pig the other day you know this fat broad because you know at 100 65 lbs you slob you know just being like that and you're like who's relating to this right right and and and you definitely transcend that but I mean like that's that's but I'm saying it's weird that uh I don't think that always happens I think it's more of an odd thing I think more the god like you know so I was getting it's when all all of your um like flaws kind of become your virtues in comedy you know so the nerd who got beat up now he's telling a stories about getting beaten up and now
girls will [ __ ] him because he knows how to tell it funny you know what I mean that's usually the origin story yeah but it doesn't have to to be see that's the cool thing about comedy is there's so many versions you know like black guys have always had that thing where they're allowed to dress up really cool on stage wear gold chains and crazy leather outfits like remember Eddie Murphy and Delirious and raw but it's the entire difference of black comedy and white comedy if you're going to take by those circuits I said there's definitely Comics that bridge Both Worlds but uh the difference in is like white mainstream comedy is very like self-deprecating you know it's like my little dick guy bald whatever it is and black is very like so I'm slanging the dick right and it's just like I mean the [ __ ] the a stool at a black comedy club is probably owed a lot of money in civil court to just like just been [ __ ] I mean yeah just like off to the side stages a bunch of like broken up stools like from uh from gang rapings I mean there's so like but when I would watch I grew up like a big fan of comedy and watching like everyone in the 80s that I would watch to to getting to where Death Jam became the thing I loved all that too and I just didn't even know I almost didn't even notice the difference that comedy taking a turn to like you know how good you are at [ __ ] and how big your dick is well it's comedy can be anything man it's just got to be funny that's what people don't understand like if anybody wants to say that like I've heard people say this this is like a social justice Warrior thing that they say that real comedy always punches up meaning like get get at the bad person that's above you dominating you the boss the president real com punches up and you know you don't pick on any people that are below you but the reality is sometimes punching down is [ __ ] hilarious sure it's not it's not always but it's about what what is a subject matter like what it like you could like I remember Louis CK doing a bit about how his kid is a [ __ ] [ __ ] sure and it was really [ __ ] funny cuz first of all you knew he wasn't serious right it was I mean he was talking about his kid like in a frustrated way about a kid just being a kid I'm sure he loves
his kid like he loves life itself but because he's he's punching down he's he's making F he's like [ __ ] on his kid for being an [ __ ] sure and it's hilarious it's like you there's no rules there's no rules like a guy has to be self-deprecating the the guy saying so I'm slinging that dick right I'm giving that good dick you know when you're giving that good dick and you feel that [ __ ] reverberating off your ball sack every time you come down home bloop bloop you could be crying laugh laughing listening to that crying laughing or you could be crying laughing listening to a guy who talks about we can never get laid there's the variable in those things is just is it funny or is it not funny that's the important variable me and my buddy watched uh Nick Cannon special you want to have fun man get stoned and just watching Nick Canon special it's just if you like I love watching just ridiculously horrible comedy it's my favorite thing in the world I can't do it and just watching Nick Cannon uh buy an hour of Television so he can slowly but surely peel down from a tuxedo to a tank top is one of the first he has a backdrop that's just a million light bulbs so when he moves it's going to give you a [ __ ] seizure and his jokes are all like you know you meet a girl up in a club and you're all like splur like just noises and and then apparently Mari Cary was texting that night like live Tweeting or whatever and she goes I told you my baby was funny oh my God did she say that I love that if you want to watch a show that'll just bring joy to your life have you ever heard of Bill Bellamy who got jokes no oh well I'm scared just take a weekend and really dig into it because it's a I don't think I have it in me it's a comedy yeah you don't like watching Bad comedy no this is It's on TV1 which is uh Black TV network I didn't know they existed yeah it's called TV1 and Bill Bellamy hosts it uh Tommy Tom no it's done now I think too Tommy from Martin it but it airs on marathons on this network Tommy from Martin is the call him the pope of Comedy he sits in a throne and judges as three Comics come out and they do the first round is just their set in front of an audience and there's three people from the audience picked at random to be the judges where
they give a score from one to five five being the best one being the worst everyone gets a five and if you give someone one of four the audience loses their [ __ ] they get very mad at you that's round one the comedy has always got awful and then uh it's unprepared usually it looks like the these guys didn't know they were going to do a TV show that day and uh and then round two they come out and they do some kind of like challenge that you don't what so they have a Heckler in the audience or somebody comes out like acts like they're a producer and hit you in the face with a pie and you got to keep going and then they judge you on a score from one to five and it's just horrible horrible comedy but it makes me laugh why does it do why does that make you laugh just like because it works I'm Amazed by I'm very interested and that there's actually a science to Comedy don't you find that interesting There's an actual science you just say the right words have you ever seen a comedy hypnotist no never seen one of those guys dude you got to see a commedy hypnotist if you get a chance a real one fake no no not fake at all there's something that really stupid people are susceptible to that you're not susceptible to there's someone can like say some things to you on stage snap their finger and some people literally go into a trance sure they can do it those people will laugh at anything too they're dumb as [ __ ] I think what the reality of this world is that there's people that are their brains don't work so good they just don't and there's not a goddamn thing you can do about it it's not about education it's not not about how much information you give them it's not about the environment they're in they have n9v brains no I know and like what's funny is okay the audience the audience has never communally stood up to someone was like that's hacky like the audience never says that it's always being judged by other com say in general like when there's a hacky comic on stage usually he's destroying it depends on where you're at right I mean if you're in LA or New York guys could be beat and [ __ ] possibly but forums like this where comics and people get to talk and like
there's so much inside information out now I think it kind of weeds through that happening and now I think the audiences are a little smarter in some circles little but they have to be fans like if you do you remember like going to see comedy when you first started to to like go to Open Mic nights and see see guys that you thought were really funny and then like a year later you [ __ ] couldn't even be in the room when they were on stage oh people I mean the people I worshiped when I started I was like just the way he kills you know like I got to do a joke where I open up and say DJ put that [ __ ] on one more time and I cuz everyone had to have one of those I used to get down to underwear on stage used to get down to my underwear posing to the 2001 theme oh God and then one day no one left I didn't do it ever again I went to see this guy when I was in uh when I was in uh Boston before I did stand up I went to see this uh comedy at uh played again Sams it was like this like movie house that had stand up in the basement and this guy did these like fake ad libs and I I knew they were fake what was happening I didn't understand comedy but he pointed to me and he goes and this guy is over here saying this but I didn't say anything I don't remember what it was but I remember like he's like what I I I couldn't believe that he was pretending that there was some sort of a weird interaction between us for the rest of the audience and so I realized that this guy was just bullshitting and this his act was kind of this fake dance and then as I got to know him I kept seeing him over and over and over again he was doing the same thing every time he would he would set this bit up he would point to a guy in the audience and like this he would say the same thing like he never he had his fake ad libs with the crowd there was no variation so if you saw him more than once the Act was done like the the the the veil had been lifted it doesn't bring any joy to watch like that level of shitty comedy like happen no it makes me sad like that makes me laugh so I I used to any show when it I just can't believe sometimes when you watch somebody they're on television and their first joke is now I know what you guys are thinking actually I had a guy open for
me one time on the road where uh he had a joke I forget what even was it about but whatever it was the crowd never laughed in the middle of it and he goes uh so my family used to you know run a funeral home he goes now you guys laugh but he goes into his joke but no one laugh no one laughed at that but every time he's goes now you guys laugh but I never that's always funny the now I know what you're thinking you see me and I'm like it happens a lot like people like it I feel you should never and a lot of us do but you should never get on television with your first ever set you know when you go on when you go on the road and me you know as a when I when I go on the road and someone opens for me I'm generally getting somebody doing their first set you remember that like when every time you get on stage it was the introduction like so my name's Jay and I blah blah blah you know it's like first a girl comedy so I'm so and so and I'm a total [ __ ] and I sex with my friends and it's just like uh that but that first set makes it on TV a lot now cuz there's so many forums yeah but that's just life you just got to move on just deal with it it's probably not good to have your first set but if you've been doing stand up for 10 years or whatever it is when you get your first set on TV 6 years just [ __ ] accept it sucks accept that it sucks and move on you know and you won't know it sucks until you see it you got to watch it on TV like later in your career when you're better and you go but I'm I'm almost saying I'm surprised that the behind the scenes don't catch up to like like it seems like there's no like uh they don't take any cues from the actual community of Comedy itself do you know what I mean they're like this guy's been doing comedy for five months like of course he should be on Letterman you know what I mean oh the behind the scenes people no they're always looking for someone to come along that's a prodigy that figures it out after four months it's so weird but I don't know if they do that person any favors well they definitely don't they don't give a [ __ ] though all they care about is what can they sell just like the reality show as i' if you've noticed if you watching the video I've moved into a new chair ladies and gentlemen I don't know if this one's going to make it I don't know I think
the other thing is better they know back things better um but it's they you know they just they're just trying to sell you you know if you they can sell the hook is you only been doing stand for five months they're not going to protect you they're not going to go oh that big Jay He's got potential for the future let's not put his femon old comedy set no they [ __ ] you get on TV who gives a [ __ ] sink or swim there's many more people they have to pay attention to they don't give a [ __ ] look I'm sure the [ __ ] what's it The Hunger Games people are pretty thrilled that Jay Law snatches out there that's huge for them just drew a whole new audience to that show that yeah I don't know how those two are connected but we're talking about someone being hacked now that's not what I was talking about I thought you were saying about selling things like the I'm saying the companies that don't care like the movie companies don't care that how she gets like exposed you know what I mean it does good does them a good job they don't protect her I'm saying they don't they don't come out well they would have protected her I'm sure they probably wouldn't have let it be released but it but it's to their benefit now that it is I kind of guess so totally is yeah but it's a different thing a poad in my mind I was like did it have nothing to do with it I'm like no there was a connection in my mind there was something there I guess I guess I've never I've only seen the first one now I want to watch more after seeing her naked right which is good for the cover so the movie company even though it's like they pay her and she's like you know she has a relationship with them they don't give a [ __ ] if something to her detriment builds up their movie yeah I could see that probably yeah probably after it's over they're like they probably would have protected her from it getting out but once once it's out like hey look in the long run we're going to do bir she looks great sat around the office and yeah it's true they're just I mean but the only way you're ever going to get protected as a comic is if you have a manager and the manager will say listen Jay you know let's keep hitting the clubs and you know wait a year you know wait wait wait a couple of years just work where's that
manager at M Jeff susman yeah my guy yeah that's it's hard you got to develop comedians like you got to treat them as like a long-term project you can't like move people into a house before you even put a roof on it and you can't pretend it's done when it's not done and when you you see like a young guy that's uh got potential I mean everybody that we've ever met they go through periods like you were talking about your black comedy period sure you know like people go through these weird phases where they're trying to find themselves as I hate to use the word but artist trying to find myself as an artist man and uh you know but the thing is if you there's a video of you five months in and then it's terrible but there's a way better video two years later well if someone watches both they go oh Jay got better you know it's just there's nothing wrong with yeah oh I did BET's Comic View Thrice three times really yeah so I mean like who was hosting uh the first one ever was Lester Barry who was a black circuit comic very religious nice the second time I did it was rsj in Miami and the third time third time was funny cuz I said by this point I go I'm not doing comic view ever again like I I just I've written that one off I'm not doing it it's always an awkward situation when I go there too why cuz I'm the only white guy the production is white and they put some weird responsibility on me to be like the den mother of the comics no so I'd like smoke cigarettes and I'd go outs I'm going to go outside and smoke a cigarette she goes okay wait a second she goes everyone Jay's going to smoke if you want to smoke go out now with him and everyone's got to be back in here in 15 minutes and and then she G tried to give me all of their food tickets so i' be responsible for them it was very bizarre just because you're white yeah I I assume so wow that said a lot of the black Comics would do things like I'm going to go out and smoke and then go like you know [ __ ] a chick for five hours try to come back 15 minutes before the show starts like that did happen well what they want you to do just hang out all day waiting for the show to start oh they put you there at 9 in the morning until night I went on at midnight what yeah because they just don't want they just Wrangle everybody
cuz they don't believe anyone's going to stay no belief they're going to stay there they've done entire shows about how hacky they are like they'll do a show where the same joke gets repeated by different comedians well yeah and so I went and did it Kevin Hart ended up hosting the I think one of the last ever Seasons but it was called one Mike stand and or something like I think it's what it's called One mic stand but it wasn't called Comic View and Kev called me and asked me if I wanted to do it or if I would do it and I said yeah but I don't want to do Comic View anymore he goes it's not Comic View it's different they're flying people out now they doing it all right and set it up good and it was uh when I signed the contract it's Comic View presents one Mike stand they gave us a big speech before we taped anything and the guy was like we're changing Comic View it's going to be different and the guy specifically said no more stool humping and DJ hit it and uh pulling out fake teeth and uh I mean we worn three comics in before a guy was wearing fake teeth and [ __ ] a stool I mean not even and and by the way when he's giving this speech to it these same guys who are getting ready to [ __ ] stools and put in fake teeth are doing like you know like staring at him give the speech and like nodding their heads like a like Pacino speech in Any Given Sunday like it's like an emotional powerful speech how we're changing Comic View now and then they went and put the fake teeth in they're like yeah let's go out there and show the world something and then two minutes later you're like DJ put that [ __ ] back on you can [ __ ] a [ __ ] with fake teeth to this one that was black circuits made for some great great great stories I had a guy one time this a true story Kev used to host a club in Atlantic City Kevin Hart called sweet cheeks sweet cheek violent it was like a pimpson Players Ball no [ __ ] it was like everyone was wearing like zoot suits and [ __ ] and bringing like three chicks a piece and they were all dressed up fancy but theyd interrupt dancing to do a comedy show uh in the middle of the [ __ ] night like like 2 3:00 in the morning what yeah and I I was hosting it one time for Kev he couldn't do it and they hated me they absolutely didn't like me at all and I was going to bring a comic
on stage and I go uh I go all right Budd I'm going to bring you up next I go what's your name and he goes uh ignant [ __ ] and I was like dude don't make me say that please and he's like that's my name man it's my stage name and I kept I begged him to let me call him by his regular name and I go it's not going to go good if I say he goes it's fine man I'll explain it's my name you know he set you up yeah when he go on stage he goes you going to let that white boy call me a [ __ ] and just I left I just left the show I drove home yeah that was like it was a dangerous place man the the bouncer outside was a bounty hunter also so he would run IDs everybody that walked in like he'd get five people a night on warrants wow is that crazy he was a bounty hunter and an ID Checker that's like fishing in a [ __ ] swimming pool really yeah that's so not fair that seems like you know you're shooting deer in a stock pond you know what I mean that just seems really [ __ ] up especially at a nightclub yeah and it was just like and a pimpson players nightclub yeah they threw they threw chicken wings at me one time wow it was uh and I think yeah I think I was doing that joke where I was getting down to my underwear who the [ __ ] wants them to do comedy at 2 o'clock in the morning in a place where they have dancing they do I used to do these ski trip shows that were like black ski trips and black people don't even ski at all they don't they'd go and they they it's like a bus thing they' go to this hotel and they'd all just like [ __ ] each other everyone would just [ __ ] drink you know Green alcohol and uh and then what's green alcohol just like what you know tangay and something the drinks were always great like Thug Passion I like that Thug drinks yeah and I'd go up there and and open for sometimes I would headline for these like black ski trips and they just [ __ ] hated it they wanted no parts of the comedy show I never understand why they force comedy into places where it doesn't need to be at all well people make money you know I'm sure Kevin Hart got a nice piece of pie maybe I mean well he was very young we were like brand new in comedy yeah but I mean if somebody offers it you're you're like yeah we can do a show there [ __ ] it yeah
I mean the bar shows in New York that's become such a thing bar shows bar shows yeah I don't and I go to them with this you know this expectation what blows my mind about I think bar shows are a cool thing to have as far as like open mics basically little produce shows you can get people on but like I'll hear my friends you know are young Comics who I know and I'll be like where you at tonight and they go so and so I go oh well do this other thing with me like don't go to that [ __ ] bar show and it's like I've been booked for this for three months like whoa yeah they call you it's like you want to do my bar show it's about 20 seats about 25 people uh you know you get like a drink ticket or half price off drinks and it's on Tuesday at you know 9900 p.m. somewhere in nowhereville [ __ ] Brooklyn and then it's like oh yeah I guess I can do it it's like you know okay so I'm looking at like I have my book open here like December it's like May like they really booked this things far out is that just cuz there's so many comics in New York it is I think it's a lot of it becomes like people just getting their friends on and [ __ ] probably F the guess right cuz the a lot of these shows have become like legit to some degree well if it's a good show if it's well-run it's very valuable to comedians sure like you know you go to Wednesday night comedy juice The Improv it's always going to be packed it's a great place to workout material like that becomes yeah but you know what I'm saying like so shows like that become valuable and then little side gigs like what that place you were talking about three of clubs that what is it three clubs yeah but I mean like all these we there's tons of bar shows but the like with the old Red Rocks has one now that's that's like in the corner but the problem is New York is like a billion times more bar shows than La so like all the local comics in La they'll get that one shitty bar show but it's like yeah it's like a month away when they get booked like how many rooms are there all told in New York if you had a guess you live in Manhattan yeah how many rooms do you think how many standup rooms are in the in the C ual clubs yeah we could run through them really stamp New York Comic Strip seller seller Gotham Gotham the stand stand um Carolines
Carolines then there's a Greenwich Village comedy club New York Comedy Club Broadway comedy club New York comedy club is still around yeah danger field B got dangerfields we're at 10 um there is a LOL comedy club in Time Square LOL yeah how dare that and then there's like places there's like and then like some roomsy there every week Time Square LOL LOL CH chicks love him lol um he's a good dude I'm not [ __ ] with him uh 11 we're at 11 and there's and then there's like oh Eastville Comedy Club 13 I think yeah I mean it's really it's pretty nuts like there's yeah so that's the major clubs it's real Club did Gotham did we say Gotham Gotham so that's uh that's the major clubs yeah and then on top of that you got how many bar shows you think in the city or around even the Burrows just in the city just in the city just in Manhattan I mean there's got to be [ __ ] 10 a night if I had to get at least at least wow that's crazy it's also like the people that live in New York and go to New York they're more into like plays and live performances than I think like the west coast is well if you're a young person or any person who's got free time at night and you're looking for some entertainment it's one of the best places in the world to go you can go to the seller you can go to Carolines mean you can see Live Comedy in New York every night of the week you can see Killers you can see you know AEL and CK and all these different people show up at clubs I mean it's one of the best places in the world to go out and see Live Comedy oh New York yeah fantastic they like just to go out I mean that's what people if they've never been to New York before they're like there's so many restaurants there's so many this there's so many that it's a [ __ ] mad scene I drove by the laugh Factory last night out here and it was like the line was like wrapped around the building that's cuz Jamie doesn't let people in he wants that line to be wrapped around the building he doesn't just like let people in he makes you stay outside keep that line out and they were signing up for tomorrow a lot of them was like the open mic nights like they have to the open mic nights they make people sit out there from 9:00 in the morning whatever
the [ __ ] the signup time is and they have to wait in line until they get picked and then they go on next week they don't even go on that week they wait in line all day and they go on the next week why exactly we we've been rallying against this next time I see exactly it's a ridiculous idea that he has that in doing so he makes the club look more special because there's always a big line it's tough to get in why put your thumb on people that could eventually like you know like say like this is my home this is the club that showed me the love like why I never got that it's that same evil [ __ ] that makes producers put someone on a reality show and then try to own everything about them for the next you know 10 years or whatever [ __ ] it is it's the same thing it's that greedy thing that people do out here this weird creepy [ __ ] Behavior where the people that are coming up are not respected as potential equals and if they do somehow or another make it through it's never through their own Merit it's because of the the good nature and and your you know your generosity that's LED them to this position of being a a good uh Showbiz person I find it weird with any comedy club that doesn't have Comics hanging out at it and like like it like they want people to hang out like com comedians to hang out like that plays the laugh Factor that's the one thing that I've always heard is like no they don't let you hang out there you can hang out there upstairs I know I think that that's only to like a certain group of like you know the big guys but the the average comic is what they that always tells me that I did a club on the road one time where there was like young Comics hanging out so I was like uh I talked to him for a little while and I was like you know if you guys want to go on like you know you can put you guys on you guys each one to do like seven minutes or something go for it and they told me and I confirmed with the club that they go oh no the club doesn't do guess spots at all I'm like at all I go I thought it's kind of up to the is it up to like the headliner if he like doesn't care like is it fine they go no it's just their policy they don't do it I go and I talk when I talked to the manager guy I was like why would you
discourage comics from hanging out it's very like you know what I mean it doesn't make it's not a friendly environment right well Wendy Curtis you know uh that's kind of thing is you work those shitty open mic shows So eventually maybe they'll give you a shot at like hosting a weekend or you know doing something like that guest spots do you know Wendy from Comedy Works in Denver I know who she is yeah with her she uh she had a great way of describing it she goes why would you sell widgets and not have like a widget development team like why wouldn't you if you you want to sell other people's widgets you can make your own in-house widgets like if what are you doing when you're running a comedy club you're not develop any local talent you don't develop any of it it's one of the things like they were moving improvs in a town and she was saying like what are you guys going to do for like developing local talent and they're like nothing she was like what like that's alien like she's developed a bunch of comedians out of that club and she has like a whole system of taking people from MC's to Middle ax to Headliners like it's it's this really wellth thought out really like conscientious system of helping these artists you know sometimes they have their babies though when people come to New York yeah it's always it's a coin flip of someone's like what city you from and you know with Miami like oh what was your home club like oh the owner there was a piece of [ __ ] treat me like an [ __ ] what' you say about babies some of them are babies no what' you say did I say babies yeah what I don't know I because you were saying that people complain about their their home well say when someone comes to the to like moves to New York from their home Club you know where they started it's a coin flip whether they're going to say it was like a great experience you know they're very supportive of them they get behind some people the local clubs and then some they just like they were such shitty people to me but I never understand being shitty to like local talent this crazy people own clubs you know like crazy people own dance clubs crazy people own t to be a certain personality type yeah you got to be a hardcore [ __ ] to own a bar you know and to own a comedy club and just
want to deal with comedians all the time you got to be either someone who loves comedy or an insane person do you get frustrated when uh when people that are around comedy enough even if it doesn't make sense in their life they're like I'm going to try and they start doing open mics or you like go for it what do you mean do you get like I I know there's club Owners in New York even that just [ __ ] start doing comedy after owning the club for like 3 years like I'm doing it I'm going to give it a shot but who knows maybe they'll be good they hire Bookers and the Bookers start trying to do com it's like very weird well Elanor Elanor carrian she was a waitress at The Comedy Store forever I knew her as a waitress for more than 10 years now she's a real professional comic she started like many many years in did she comedy no thought about doing it ever nope n just got just got a job one day she was an actress she did a lot of acting she was in wrestling she did some pro wrestling and uh then somewhere along the line she just decided [ __ ] it I'm going to go on stage and she started doing standup yeah I mean I now she's a pro she's funny I mean it's crazy I mean she's smart so she understands like what's funny and what's not funny she knows what's hack and what's not so she didn't fall in any pitfalls maybe I feel the ego strike cuz I feel like when it's done like like uh Kurt metzer you know Kurt Kurt's never had a girlfriend that hasn't eventually been like like well if this [ __ ] can do it I can do it and and they'd never vocalized that but in my mind like if my chick was like I want to do comedy i' like what do you think it's like looks like super simple you think it's that easy you just go like you know what I'm going to do your stupid thing it looks a lot more fun than my stupid thing well it's also when they're around comics they see how fun it is and they see like how Comics think and then they start thinking like comics and saying ridiculous [ __ ] sure you know if you're if you're around a chick like long enough like she'll start like seeing how you pick things apart and make J like if you're around someone who's really really funny at work you know and this like I I used to have this boss who was a um private investigator dude was hilarious he was just instantly
hilarious just would find things that were goofy about people and start and you would just howl with this guy and I I learned a lot like being around him I started doing that too like you start like seeing how he would find these patterns like he was very predatory like the patterns that we find that were [ __ ] up in people and just attack those patterns and it like teach and you pick it up in relationships people pick it up and friendships so you know Kurt is a funny dude I get these chicks were probably around him and they like you know what I can [ __ ] do this yeah I see what's going on here I guess it means you make it look effortless maybe but like sort of but also fun you know I mean if you were definitely fun sure not enjoying your life and you know not enjoying your job but you saw a guy like you having the [ __ ] time of his life cracking jokes making [ __ ] like God damn it I think I could do that he looks so he looks way better than a regular job if you're a person that does a regular job and then someone like big Jay comes along you're hanging out with him and you're watching how he does it you're like this [ __ ] guy's barely working here sure he's just laughing about [ __ ] and writing it down and then figuring out a way to say it on stage in a funny way [ __ ] selling Insurance how many people did you grow up with um before comedy that genuinely are happy for you like really feel it what do you mean like do you have like friends some from before comedy still are they that are like genuinely happy for your success and like dig what you do it's like if if I have one friend from like growing up that I'm still friends with and it's because he's the only one of my friends that is doing what he wanted to do also you have to have that that self security before you can like really cheer I go back to Philly constantly barely any I mean I I hung out with a lot of people growing up no one comes out no one gives a [ __ ] really yeah none of none of them give a [ __ ] at all none them come to your shows you mean once in a while one of them will pop up but a lot of times they'll say they're coming and they don't show up I mean I stopped giving a [ __ ] years ago I realized it all at one time cuz a bunch of the did come out once and afterwards they were like good job man
so we're all going over it's like dollar beer night at the so and so you want to hang I'm like well I hang here for a few minutes catch up and whatever they go the place kind of closes in like an hour and you're like all right bye [ __ ] faces I guess like so what did you want them to like spend more time I didn't need to do over me but I haven't seen these people in a while and I was genuinely curious about what's going on with them but you didn't want to go to their spot but I just also they were very dismissive of the whole thing they like thanks dude pretty good job it just seemed it seem very like if they would have been like wow dude this is a pretty extraordinary thing you're doing at any I'm not saying they had to say those words but if they showed that at all it makes them have to face the fact that like you know he said he was going to be a pilot but he's working at a [ __ ] gas station do you attribute it to jealousy or do you just disinterest or what are you attributing this to it might be a little bit of both who who knows I know when I first started doing it again like you said the way you did taek kwondo it's a heavy commitment especially because I started going after after the first year of just doing it in Philly Keith Robinson grabbed me Kurt mezer and Kevin Hart and started taking us up to New York and when I did that I started not being able to do all the [ __ ] with my friends that we were doing I wasn't part of like dollar beer night anymore you know what I mean uhhuh or any of that [ __ ] so they feel like you kind of left them and but when I would come back and be like hey guys like I'm doing this cool thing like come check this out they were just very like ah I don't care you know and it's like oh no I'm going to go do this this neat show in Atlantic City or isn't that the case always when life when you're growing up certain people that you grow up with because they went to school with you and they were your friends and some folks evolve and develop and change and grow and some people stagnate and actually develop problems for themselves to distract themselves like I grew up with some kids that were really good friends and then uh they became like one of them became a pillhead like he's gone like I don't talk to him anymore if he called me I wouldn't call him back you
know he could probably get a hold of me but I'm he's too [ __ ] up he's too [ __ ] up I know his family I know all the disasters he's been through just I'm not interested in communicating so there's going to be people like that in your life have you had circumstantial friendships in comedy do you know what I mean like that just like for like you hung with someone for a little while and then you're like I guess it really like d roza did he lived with me for a while when he first moved to New York when he moved out and we were tight we were together every day you know like we drove in together to the city and from Queens and hung out all the time and I'd still describe me and Joe as like friends like he's my buddy for sure but I mean I'm probably the 30th person he would call if he had good news in his life you know what I mean right we hear third hand first and we have no beef at all when I see him we love to catch up and [ __ ] and have a good time but you know what I'm saying like it turns out the issue just you need more from him what I'm saying I'm just saying I need more from him I need him to call me too I think he's I think he's angry at my racisms also oh that Anthony kumia thing the other day was just so ridiculous he did our show and uh on the show went on this long thing that was very jilted lover in a lot of ways about kumia not calling I'm like why don't you just call I mean it also recognize that the guy's busy no he defended all these other people but he didn't defend me I'm like oh come on man like cuz he didn't like talk about you online like you're you're upset at him and then there was this uh accusations of racism that they also didn't discuss you know it's like it was it was so all of it could have been handled better did you watch him go on the Anthony show yeah yeah I listened to it I mean look howd that end it should he should have never he should never just written him off if a guy's your friend and he's involved in some sort of a public crisis like Anthony was you know first of all you have to recognize there's a tremendous amount of stress involved in any sort of physical altercation so don't expect people to behave rationally after someone punched them that's one and then two don't expect people to behave rationally after
like gigantic groups of people start calling you uh you know a racist and saying you know you're what you're doing by writing all this s is like essentially a hate crime you you get fired from your job people rally for you to get fired from your job other people rally for you to get rehired they want other people to boycott the show and cancel Sirius XM because of that there was a lot of stress going on the idea that he's ignoring Joe D Ro's tweets like [ __ ] man like what do you What did what version of the the thing did you see super selfish yeah and I love Joe he's a great guy but it's like that's what makes Joe a really funny comic is that he obsesses on things he thinks about things until finds out what's really funny about them and then he figures out a way to do it on stage and figures out a way to cut it down to like a really funny joke he's a great comic and that same sort of curiosity sensibility Obsession all those the combination of things mixed together in a stew you know sometimes it could [ __ ] with your personal life you know and I think that's probably what what happened there you know that if if it was a more rational circumstance for Anthony more rational response by Joe I think they could have had a conversation about it and worked through and I think they did kind of I just don't understand how Joe in any way shape or form had a feeling where it was like this effect to him in some way I don't know how people I mean I had I had I got tweets that were like uh you know cancel sirusxm standby ant and I just uh you know I just didn't I didn't and not that I don't I did uh I did uh Anthony kum's podcast after that and talk to I I I am I understand why he did what he did I think he shouldn't have done it the way he did it I think there's a better way to handle it I think he does too though of course he does but I'm saying but I just think like I don't know but it was just I agree that Sirius fired him I wish he didn't get fired I I wouldn't have done it myself but I'm not blowing when they said he's fired I wasn't like wait what like I completely understand that they fire the [ __ ] that'll rain down on them it wasn't worth it to them so they fired them yeah I understand it too business call it is kind of a business call but it's also a business call to not do it
like you have to decide like what what what helps your business giving that guy an opportunity to express himself on the show would have generated a tremendous amount of ratings you know absolutely and I think think if he'd done it eloquently which I'm sure he would have there would have been a tremendous amount of support for keeping him on the show I think that his his argument and his assertion about the black community has always been there's a violence problem in the black community it's not that he's racist against all black people what his point has always been is that there's a lot of folks that are not willing to concede that there's a violence issue and he thinks there is an issue you know where he and I I don't know what his take on the social ramifications or the reasons for this racial issue or this violence issue in the black community you know I think it's an economic thing and what I've always pointed to is the gypsies the Gypsies in uh in England and Ireland you know who are constantly getting involved in crime and fighting and wild [ __ ] and they're white you know it's the those type of people um people that live in these economically challenging situations where there's a lot of bad people around them and a lot of crime and violence that's the atmosphere you you live in that's the soup you [ __ ] were born into and this shit's hard to deal with for everybody and I think that what what he did is also it's a function of that form of media like doing things in 140 characters you can't express yourself very good in 140 characters and if you take even if you take something from something you said in this podcast and put it in 140 characters in quotes and put it on a tweet it can make it look like a real piece of [ __ ] you know well but what he did really was like What He just tweeted out what he should have just said while he you know punched a piece of plywood or no he should have said it on the radio absolutely but that by but by then he could have gotten a way to say it he said eloquently I'm talking about in that moment of Fury you need to call a friend who's going to go I know dude right I know you're so right and then 15 minutes later when you calm down you go of course I don't hate every black person like it's like he he vented
and I said and and he's such a guy who's used to preaching to the choir and he forgot that there's like regular people behind that catch it's way easier to take your Tweet and retweet it than it is to say hey you got to listen to Anthony on Sirus XM this morning when he was going off about how there's a violence problem in the black community and all the crazy [ __ ] that he screamed and yelled about that's one thing but to someone to just take those tweets and retweet them or take them and cut them paste them and put them in a blog completely outside of the context of who you are what what your style of communicating with has always been on the show the style of communicating on the show has always been him screaming he's always done that so when he does that in a Twitter form it's part of the course I mean that's what he does it's just when he does it on the radio the people that are going to be upset at that they would have to listen to the whole thing to get to that they would have to listen to that chunk someone would have to alert them to it they'd have to like listen to it all play out all they have to do is just hear it see it retweet it see it retweet it see it on a Blog and then a bunch of [ __ ] outrage attached to it and all these accusations but what do you do with I mean on in your opinion do you come out in high defense of yourself or do you just go sit back and go my his resume kind of speaks for itself like you could just look at his body of work and know it's like he's clearly not a outwardly racist I mean like well a lot of people lot of close people to his world are like a lot of people will disagree with you there a lot of people will disagree with you that's a fact a lot of people will take a lot of the things that he said on you know the radio show cut them out of context and put it up and say that these are more pieces of evidence that he's racist I don't think he's racist I think he's frustrated I think that he like a lot of people that have been involved in these type of scenarios you only see the person that's attacking you and you only see the group that they're they're attached to and if I lived in New York and I had to deal with a lot of [ __ ] on a regular basis I don't know how much [ __ ] he deals with but whether it
was [ __ ] coming from Irish people whether it's [ __ ] coming from you know Asian people that are [ __ ] with me all the time I mean if you're living in a group where there's a a certain number of people from ex community that are causing a lot of crimes you're always going to have some frustration you're going always going to be upset about that I don't know where his head's at I don't I've never had like long like uncensored conversations with him about this I've talked to him on the radio and I love talking to him so I I if I had a guess I would say no I don't think he's racist I think he's just not scared of speaking his mind about very controversial issues that could very easily come ac across as racism when he is describing things like very real statistics like crime statistics like they're undeniable I mean if you look at crime statistics and the amount of uh young africanamerican men that are in jail it's [ __ ] bananas it's bananas representative of the population as a whole like this small amount of people that are black and then the the large amount of black guys that are in jail you would go okay well was that evidence of racism that that's why they're being prosecuted or is it evidence that they're committing far more crimes is it a combination of both is it a lack of social awareness that has allowed these inner cities to get completely out of hand and these improver neighborhoods yeah I think that but all the fury is just going to be that he was like you know some black [ __ ] basically you know just to to be so dismissive that's no one's caring about the statistics he's throwing out they're only focusing but my my point is you can get those facts out if it had been a bunch of Irish people and he was like you know this this Mick ginger [ __ ] just punched me you know [ __ ] just punched me in the face cuz he's white he could do it but he and they would but but then his tweets would resonate more it wouldn't make any kind of news but at least it would resonate more if he had some kind of facts and figures to support you know whatever the ginger [ __ ] violence problem Joe don't you find it interesting though that after all this recent [ __ ] about him being racist that he doesn't just kind of back off and
just for like a year talk about cupcakes or something like that that he's actually pushing it almost to the point of like like he's yeah like he's really proving freedom of speech and and and and everything like like he's almost trying to make a point about you know well what are you what are the examples you're talking about well like you know after all this thing of of him being racist on Twitter then he started going off on Ferguson you know all the Ferguson stuff and then but what did you see when you talk about things like that like do you know specifically what he said about Ferguson know I can pull up I don't have that memory what we know is about what Joe doosa talked about the other day but he didn't cite any specifics either so I don't know what Anthony said about fuson if I knew then I can comment on it specifically well I mean I mean I follow him on Twitter and he he's still doing you know silly things that what's you think about Ferguson yeah you got to give examples I'll just start pulling stuff up but I I I didn't really want to go that deep into that point what I'm saying is you can go on his Twitter and see what I'm what I'm talking about he doesn't back off well he doesn't have to yeah he does he doesn't back off for a reason it seems like I think most people if you got that much like you lost your job you you got in trouble on Twitter about a certain subject that I'm like all right I'm not going to talk about piie for a while definitely because because he immediately yeah he immediately made like a chunk of money you know it's like a Netflix subscription type thing so he immediately made like a gang of money off that I assume so I don't know I don't know how well he's doing but I I hope he does well I I thought that it' be probably smarter if he did it through subscription that way more or through um subcription through advertisers cuz if he did it through advertisers that way you he's going to get a large number of people that are going to listen to it if it's free you know like but he's kind of like hamstringing himself by making a subscription service I think it's tough yeah to make it cost money is like you're definitely cutting people out of it but I think there'll be an initial thing but you have to like get people to
catch you know latch on board it's really hard to to get people to pay for [ __ ] on the internet in these this day and age aome stuff Howard Stern gives you like you know I mean you basically you're paying for Sirius for like that or o Anda and you can't argue that like Stern Channel though gives you like tons of you know for what you're paying like he gives you a lot of different stuff it's like him all day and other shows and and his old content and just like fun Productions and stuff yeah but that's not online that's on serious it's like if you subscribe is serious is that what you're saying you can get that online too yeah yeah but I'm saying but I'm talking about for making people pay for something but he but he did 20 some years of giving it for free so now you can get people p are you but we're talking about two different things we're talking about satellite radio or we're talking about internet subscription does he have an internet subscription thing the same thing I mean it is like you could watch it online Sterns thing well sort of but it's satellite radio you're working for a company I mean it's not like what Anthony's doing anon's doing an completely independent internet subscription thing I was confused I thought but now but Howard went from being for free to ask for for basically cost money to listen to him if you want to I'm saying Opie going from like you know he did years of free and then years of he was you know he wasn't a specific charge for Serius XM even though he was yeah he wasn't but now he's asking for a Netflix amount of money for one show that's what I'm saying there's no Vari there's no like uh he's not really giving you anything besides it's very different because first of all serus is in so many cars when you buy it when you buy it you get a 90day subscription and it it plays and you get to listen to stern you get addicted to it and listen to all the different music channels you get addicted to it but you're paying for satellite radio you're not paying for a specific show on the internet that there's a complete total difference in what you're getting like the to get something on the Internet is what I'm saying it's very difficult to pay for get people to pay for something that's on the Internet it's not difficult to get people to subscribe to
satellite radio espec the satellite radios in their car but zillions people like Netflix and that's all internet based yeah people but Netflix gives you thousands of options that's the point I'm making it's hard to get people to pay for like one two hour show a day four days Netflix is movies and television shows I mean if you're paying for Netflix you're paying for something that you could watch on television I mean I guess you could watch anony show on TV but that's not how most people are probably watching it I bet the majority of people that listen to his show are getting it yeah they're getting it on like a a as an audio thing that they listen to in the Subway or something or in their car that's what most people do with these things it's just it's hard to get people to pay for [ __ ] online you know I mean people are trying to do it like drive plus is uh Drive is a YouTube channel that I really love it's uh it's all about various sports cars and the inner workings of them and they do all these really cool in-depth pieces they just changed their format it became drive plus and they made people subscribe to it and the Very video they did it to first one was one that I was a part of this shark Works company that makes these cars and uh the comments were just filled with pissed off people people were so [ __ ] mad I mean they were so mad that all of a sudden they were going to be forced to have to pay I forget what the amount a month is I don't think it was a lot like five bucks or something I don't remember though and uh people the the entire comments for the video was all about people being angry that they had to pay for it I wonder what Hulu's thing was with their fall off or whatever when they went from hey have it all for free to like now we charge you yeah I don't know I bet they lost a lot of people I mean that's just what happens people don't want to pay for [ __ ] but Netflix is so good there's so much stuff and they have their own independent programming like that house of cards show and they're doing Chelsea Handler's going to do a show on it like they're they're actually becoming like a network so if you pay x amount a month for it the amount of content that they have access to is [ __ ] incredible I like that plan too they just release the season as a whole right away yeah that
really does make for like well there's also some weird [ __ ] that goes on with them with like cable uh internet providers and different internet providers like now they're going to have to pay more because they use up more like they have to cut deals otherwise they throttle back Netflix users there's a lot of like weird shady [ __ ] when it comes to like bandwidth and how much bandwidth is worth and how much bandwidth gets soaked up by different applications what shitty Ben afflect in Timberlake movie you're going to make about that guys fighting for bandwidth the behind the scenes Wars bandwidth Wars Yeah It's Tricky man if you're trying to sell [ __ ] online unless you're a Netflix like if HBO became an online thing only even with all their awesome shows that they have that would be tough Al Al that said the hipsters have dominated that world and a lot of them don't do cable at all and just get like a subscription to HBO Go and Showtime and all that stuff and they watch all their [ __ ] like that well there's a lot of people that do it through iTunes yeah you do like apple you know you get an Apple TV thing and get a subcription all those things it's you know could probably cost you somewhere of like 50 bucks a month and you could you pretty much have access to everything like the next day pretty close I mean there's a lot of [ __ ] you can get I mean I use uh iTunes for uh I use the Apple TV to watch that show The Strain MH and I tried watching on regular TV oh my God the [ __ ] commercials make you hammer you can't believe how often the [ __ ] commercials come on it's like a couple minutes in bam there's another commercial and then a couple minutes after that bam there's another commercial like oh my God like they just assault you with commercials I keep Cable Direct TV for a few one the football package is huge but two there's also something that makes me feel like an adult having having cable do you know what I mean like you're supposed to have cable I don't know why but it really does it make just like uh I had I stop now but for a long time well beyond needing one I always had a house phone like a landline so I was like you're supposed to have a landline just in case but it's just gone all I've bought the cell phone now after a while well it's
also like you don't ever want to have something that you can't just turn off yeah the beautiful thing about a cell phone is just shut that [ __ ] off and nobody can get in tou yeah but um yeah like those uh a lot of people do that Netflix thing now where they don't have cable they just have Netflix and they use like their computer for [ __ ] and then hook up one those uh I do it right now I just went and it's great cuz you could just Target what you want instead of listening to background noise pretty much yeah it's probably smart keep you from watching as much stuff too you know you're not just flipping through the channels and then you want you know sometimes there a search process to like what do I want to see here and you go on and sometimes it'll take a half an hour just looking for a good movie to watch like it's just wasted half hour here but like having cable like I'll never seek out the movie Breaking ever again but I'll watch the last 45 minutes of it three times a week if it pops on yeah if I'm flipping through the channels and roadh house comes on it's like 2:00 in the morning going stop watching somewhere I'm going to watch that [ __ ] you it's like a gift of the universe if you're like alone in a hotel room flipping through the channels and roadh house comes on you're on the road you'll start laughing you got to watch it you owe it to the Jeff Healey band to do it I want you to be nice till it's time to not be nice how I know when that is I will tell you my mom used to come home from work in the middle of the night and feed my little brother and we we didn't have cable and we had a vcr and we had Roadhouse and she would watch Roadhouse every night my mother knows every line to Road House God that's ridiculous yeah it was a VHS Miho yeah VHS oh my God I had that and hard to kill on the same tape and we watched it constantly you know what's amazing if you go back in time to when those uh video stores were out like uh the local video stores like every Community had like a local video store like a mom and pop video store and then the Blockbuster came and [ __ ] oh my God Blockbusters is going to shut down all these Mom and Pop video stores in a lot of ways they did except Blockbuster didn't have porn that's what kept them alive so if you wanted to get the porn you'd have to go to the mom and
pop video stores you came back to that day when those things were all like everywhere and you said within a couple decades these won't even exist anymore they're going to be gone you're going to get everything out of the air people will be like what yeah you're just going to press a button on a machine and you're going to get it out of the air specifically for porn what you had to go through too like our franchise in Philly we had a place called West Coast video and you you know that at all and there was just the red boxes everything was like in a red box there was no like the covers were up on the wall you got a red box and the beauty of that was I would try to just like find like my mom and STP would rent porno movies when I was younger I guess for them for themselves and I would they'd leave it in the VCR we only had one VCR so they I guess they'd watch it when I'd stay at my Grandmom's and I'd come I'd see the title of it and I would they'd always find titles that weren't very porn Ing and then I would go I'd stay at my Grand's the next night and I would tell her like hey if I reserve movies go pick them up and I would Reserve I'd say my little grandom in to go pick up porn movies for me and she had noidea oh my God she be like you want me to make popcorn and we'll watch it together I'm like H I'm going to probably watch it later did she ever call you on it no but one time I never returned one and they ended up calling and you tried to keep it I just tried to keep it was a terrible it wasn't even a porn it was one I rented it was like a like a skin Maxi type thing I had a friend that if the videos were really good he would not bring them back it was he was like I'll take the penalty I need to keep this one porns yeah oh I had a guy take me to uh cord for that for not returning and then eventually like the only reason I got off the hook eventually is it was a mom and pop place that went under it's called wow video there was a mom and pop place when uh I used to hang out this pool hall in White Plains New York and there was a mom and pop place across the street that they found out had Tracy Lord videos that were illegal wow and uh the guy guys at the pool hall found out about it and so they took them all and they uh they pay the penalty on all of them they just they're like they're like
these are valuable because she's underage and I'm like bro that shit's illegal like what the [ __ ] you doing she mean she looked like she was of age she had large breastesses and she was you know she looked oh yeah she was enjoying it sexually she had those big banana tits too yeah they were weird tits but um beautiful girl but anyway she was [ __ ] like 17 years old or 16 years old at the time when they were when she was making these these guys found out about it yeah well the whole deal she was a woman I mean she looked like a woman she's obviously a little girl but if you looked at her like what is that you would say well that's a naked woman yeah you know no no she's 16 you piece of [ __ ] what the [ __ ] how do how would I know you showed me her naked documentaries like her boyfriends were like in their mid 20s early 30s and [ __ ] like none of them had any idea you mean the guys on the show are actual boyfriends like she had boyfriend porn I'm calling the POR the porn video the show the guy in the show she she dated porn stars for a while oh she dated that I think that guy Tom Byron uhhuh remember when there's only like four dude porn stars yeah there's like Peter North Tom he's always the first one because he shot the biggest loads isn't it weirdly gay that's the reason it's gayer that he did gay porn did he before that yeah he did gay porn oh wasting those big loads on dude butts I don't know about wasting them seem to be enjoying it and this is pre Viagra so he he was really getting hard for gay guys he stayed in there like he stayed in the game a really long time simply because of those loads they were ridiculous the fact that I know what you're talking about like if you brought it up about any other performer you'd be like I'm calling him performer any what what do you call them what do you call a guy chicks adult artist pet nor this Powerhouse what everybody knew those were the things you knew Ron Jeremy can countd down from 10 and come and Peter North shoots [ __ ] covering you mean everybody knows that I didn't [ __ ] know that you guys didn't know that you guys up on Jeremy how do you know that all his porns is what he would do he start counting down from 10 or has the girl countown and then when she says one he pulls out and blows a load on no
kidding really yeah I had no idea no idea about that either yeah that's a weird thing to know want you guys take a little time get to know the Hedgehog watch it how many porns have you watched oh tons I had a nice stack collection yeah and all the tapes were the tapes were red they were shitty colors too red videotapes yeah right the cheapest [ __ ] stuff they outside I had a friend who had two VCR black dude named Frank he would just make compilation of like his favorite like they were great they were great to borrow no because whatever it was it was like fat ass white [ __ ] and then it would just be like all so he was like the first compilation guy cuz they have compilations now that you can get way before the internet but I think if I was a I'd have a severe problem if I grw up with like the internet it was good that I was a that I had to like really work to get my porn you'd have a severe problem if you had instant access absolutely and I so young I think a lot of people do have a problem and I think it's as someone who has a daughter I I [ __ ] hate that you know facial [ __ ] shots is part of the common day you know what I mean like that's what you do right out of the gates sexually too right out of the Gat sexually no one a girl is like I and I said I'm not going back that I'm 36 years old but I do remember in school like the girls who [ __ ] it was kind of quiet uh and the ones who everybody knew [ __ ] were kind they were kind of shitty to him they kind of got like you know like oh she's a [ __ ] which was just all the guys wishing they were [ __ ] you know wishing they were [ __ ] her but still like vilified you know I think I think the internet just like made that completely like 16-year-old girl is talking about who sucks dick better that's crazy yeah is that really what's going on are you there when this is happening or you just uh hearing rumors no it's happening no no no sure I've uh siblings who are very younger than me cuz I have a stepfather MH so I have a sister who's still in high school oh so I mean like she's you hopefully the best of my knowledge not doing this stuff but they were doing a thing a few years ago where the uh the kids would wear the colors you snap off the color that means like you know finger your [ __ ] in the
locker room and then you go do it and the girls would always be like H so unfair and like walk with you and they would just go do it cuz do yeah it was the rule a bracelet rule that they were doing you imagine if if that was going on I was I don't know I would never be a comic that's for sure I would have got nothing done do you really believe that though yeah nah you would eventually become a comic you would just get bored of it eventually maybe maybe but I mean I even now I had one point I lived with a guy who worked for the cable company so we got unblocked just a shitty Playboy channel like how benign the Playboy channel is right and if I was playing uh Madden on the loading screens on PlayStation 2 I would constantly flip back like back and forth to the Playboy Channel see whatever it was cuz there'd be a girl with her [ __ ] out and that would just for some I like I'm going to watch that for a minute and then go back to the loading screen they remember when they had fake porn the like Emanuel series on like show time You' watch these weird movies it was like kind of it wasn't it was romance that wasn't designed for women it was like romance that was designed for like couples or men to watch so it eventually got to people having sex but you all you really saw was like you saw breasts and you saw the man like fake humping the girl but you know you saw no penetration but you could tell like their organs were Mis like their sexual organs were not lined up correctly she like blowing them but she's like headbutting them in the like the chest yeah and if he was banging her like where's her [ __ ] sit there belly button it's weird some strange place none of it made any sense you know and but they were you know they would like fake moan uh uh and they were always on late at night they still have that crap man do they yeah I couldn't jerk off that now if I tried for a long there's no way I'm too far gone yeah you can't go back but you could if you were like trapped though like if you were like in the Amazon jungle for like six months and then all of a sudden you got to a hotel room like oh my God TV and you flipped through the channels and carry on Emanuel was on and it was like little shitty filter cuz those the cameras they used back then were dog [ __ ] so it was like there was no HD it
was like really low resolution and kind of fuzzy and oh I used to be able to jerk off to like the girls gone wild like promo video on like E Channel at night but I mean it's just like that's just such a thing of the past I couldn't even everyone was like how could you do that why you couldn't get so excited to the uh the fappening thing all the celebrity nudes that came out is because still images I can't jerk off the still images anymore yeah and the only thing that's hot about it well they're they're hot but it's just that they're famous like and you know them from something else that's the weird thing about porn stars it's like you people used to have this idea at least that the really beautiful women weren't porn stars they're really beautiful women were like Sydney Crawford or you know whoever fill in the blank Farah faucet those are the really beautiful ones and the porn stars were a couple notches behind but there's porn stars today that are [ __ ] tens they're unbelievably beautiful like you look at them you're like that girl could be Lindsay Lohan she could be a supermodel she could be anything and she's just getting plowed yeah slanging that good dick you know what I'm talking about but that's but they've also like removed like the uh excitement of that it's so out there like there's still something more exciting if you saw a girl that was hot at the gas station and somehow you were able to see her 10 minutes later like do something where you open the door by accident and she was naked that's way more exciting you know what I mean I guess because because it's you're seeing them it's from a different context Like a Porn Star you know you're going to see if that same porn star happened to be the star of a sitcom and you saw her naked that would make that so much more exciting but the fact that she's you know her from sucking dick like seeing her [ __ ] isn't that exciting again I see what you're saying yeah unless you weren't being inundated with porn see if you if you're being inundated with porn I think that's the real issue is you get numb to the porn and then the with the real excitement is like oh I'm not supposed to be seeing this porn so it makes it exciting my favorite home video
[ __ ] if you weren't getting inundated with porn and then you saw some porn some naked sex you'd be like wow this is great you get excited I it's a numbness thing that's what it is yeah when you also get like uh I think I also used to be able to jerk off in [ __ ] 3 minutes now it's like a it's a whole process cuz you're like I could find a better video it's like a challenge to yourself and then the head shake you make at yourself when you're just jerking off to that third one you found like 40 minutes later you're like come on man I could have made phone calls I got emails to send could have got a lot of [ __ ] done yeah and here I am right back at this same stupid bachelorette party gang bang well it's like those uh monkey tests they do with cocaine and heroin they give them the monkeyy heroin they take the heroin once a day and they're straight they give the monkeys Coke and they just keep hitting that coke button until their [ __ ] Hearts explode yeah you know there's something about giving guys access just constant 24-hour porn I mean that's where all that gagging [ __ ] and gaping and [ __ ] all the abuse porn it's got to become violent well it comes out of like what's next we've done all this what's next then we're going to [ __ ] pee and girls butts okay okay how about we pee and girls butts and we attach a straw to that pee and we make them drinking out of their own butt [ __ ] yeah that guy's in jail I think yeah he is in jail he's out now is he you ever see that documentary max hardcore max hardcore did you ever see that documentary called hardcore where the girl comes over from England it's uh it'll make you like furious at that guy did you ever see that before I think I saw clips of it on E [ __ ] it's it's a girl who comes from England you know porn producer was like you're beautiful baby you're going to basically starts off you're just going to do like pictures and lesbian porn uhhuh and then before you know it like they get to sets and it's like well I thought you said we just watch today it's like no baby come on like I told him you're doing this anal porn today she's like well I said no anal and he's like well it's more money if you do it and it's really watching them break a girl down so at one point uh max hardcore I believe it is getting ready to do something
terrible to her and she finally like after crying he she said she didn't want to do it well first thing he does is he walks into a room when she's going to meet Max Hardcore for the first time a bunch of people in this room and the and the documentary Crew He Walks In he shakes everyone's hand and goes over to her it seems very real pulls her panties down and stuffs his dick in her [ __ ] and she makes a face like it's pretty real and she gets weed out and then he goes let's go upstairs he starts talking her to a scene she says she doesn't want to do it he gets really first thing he tries to do is like hit her with the baby you're beautiful like you're going to make a lot of money this is a great thing people want to see your beautiful body he does that for about five minutes and then he kicks right into you stupid [ __ ] yeah whatever go back to England and tell your kid you can't take care of her and you [ __ ] going waste my [ __ ] time and then she agrees to do it and the documentary guys step in and they turn the camera off and it just says like at this point we thought she wasn't responsible for herself anymore they pulled her out of it okay is this 100% confirmed did you sure that this was wasn't in any way set up that that's why you know like there's a lot of these porn scenarios where they do like casting couches really are couches but there's other ones that they do where it's totally rigged yeah I think most of them are always rigged this is not this is a full length like 2hour doumentary it's about this girl that was just one scene right but they showed him [ __ ] her in the ass she doesn't she's not opposed to that okay but like she goes yes yes they well they don't show like his dick going in because it's just not the way it's a documentary guy so it's like if it happened in the corner over there uhhuh so they're not showing the actual sex right yes they show they just don't show the penetration but you see him put his dick in her and she and her make a face and get weird about I don't know if that's I don't know if that's a setup you know what I'm saying like do you know that that's not a setup obviously you know I can't confirm it to 100% she goes through a weird thing in this documentary this sounds like a real documentary I mean if if it was a porn
documentary they would show like real porn yeah no they don't show there's no penetration that doesn't necessarily mean it's true that's not necessarily true I mean I don't know I I see what you're saying like it sounds like it could be real but it also could be something that they set up I don't know of course oh anything could be you know yeah I mean it's the same that same world you know what I'm saying that world of the fake auditions that turn this isn't this isn't a this isn't a jerk able thing in any way this whole thing is terribly like what the [ __ ] is this guy doing this girls like is he really doing that it's not a oh okay it's not it's not there's no fantasy set around like you see the documentary guys like like even like the you know the the guys talking to each other like is this like should we do something so he's just an evil guy that's out of control abusing the [ __ ] out of chicks and putting it on video I've heard him on Howard sternman he seems like a pretty horrible dude but I'm a little you hear he seem like a horrible dude yeah this is a real documentary hold on a second would you hear that seemed like he was a horrible dude on Howard Stern just the way he talked they you know girls come in that want to be porn stars and he just like he's just a mean like well you're a little fat but you know I can work with that like you know you you know right Pig on your face and he's just kind of like like a Gruff like shitty guy maybe it's a character who for all I know you I don't know but I heard yeah but why be the villain I mean the guy did go to jail but again I don't know you know what that was for so I should well I'll tell you exactly what it was for he went to jail for obscenity no yeah yeah yeah obscenity laws it's a very scary thing look I don't think that what he see it's a tricky situation because I think anybody with any ethics or morals that looks at that guy and what the the kind of videos he did you don't want to be attached to that it's disgusting I mean if even if it is fake it's still like man what why does this get you off like you're just you're being [ __ ] horrible to these people if that's really what gets you off like what kind of a human being are you and what what kind of a what kind of a product are you selling but the way they
got them is there's certain places that have like really strict obscenity laws and so they prosecuted him in Florida in this one area that had these like really brutally strict obscenity laws so they went after this guy they targeted him I think you know they saw the videos and they decided this is a piece of [ __ ] and we need to put this guy in jail and like they in their eyes the prosecutor's eyes I think if I had to guess that they found a guy who had made this sort of uh evil business off of a loophole and that loophole was the the freedom of expression sure that he's allowed to have his own artistic interpretation of what's porn and what's not porn but anybody like you that's a normal guy who watches it you're like this guy's a piece of [ __ ] like he's making movies for [ __ ] evil people yeah to to want to get off to that is a very bizarre thing to me it is it's definitely very bizarre but it's also like at what point in time is it censorship at what point in time is like who's to say that you can't I mean if you made a movie okay this is a totally unrelated thing but if you made a movie uh about a guy who was a horrible serial killer right and he's very sadistic and it's part of the entertainment this guy's very sadistic and then as long as someone catches that guy and kills him most of us are like wow that was a [ __ ] up movie but they got him in the end yeah the problem with this is nobody gets it in the end except the girl girl gets it in the end you know what I mean like the girl gets abused and it's about abuse and that's it there's no narrative there's no like story Arch Arc where someone comes along and they [ __ ] find this guy and they lock him up in jail at the end and everybody feels safe no it's just awful from the beginning to the end it's awful and then it ends there's no plot it's just him him violating somebody yeah and this and but I mean it rolls on without him though I mean there's like a thousand Max hardcores sure those guys they'll put on a on E [ __ ] I've seen them do those uh the compilations of like just not even the sex part just the guys being mean to the chick it's like they they bring in like awful like unattractive women and they [ __ ] on them and then [ __ ] them it's very weird yeah they smack there's a abuse there like physical abuse that would be illegal and
you would actually go to jail for like you can't smack a chick in the face but like yeah you can't you can't really sign a waiver to say that's okay I guess like you sort of can I mean like wrestling right uh but it's isn't it different if it's a guy smacking a woman I mean let's be honest isn't it I mean morally if a guy smacking a guy a wrestling if they're doing a a pro wrestling match and a guy smacks a guy these guys are they're agreeing to this they're both guys if two girls are doing it they're both girls but if a guy does it to a girl but I mean there's been there has to have been pro wrestling story lines where the guy accidentally swings and smacks the girls like that's part of the story line I mean I mean I just watched thing the other day uh Triple H uh put Stephanie McMahon in the pedigree well in movies for sure there's been domestic violence in movies without a doubt but they're not really no no no but they're not really hitting that's not actual contact no but in pro wrestling there is contact that's the difference in pro wrestling they're they're actually hitting so if youve there's absolutely TV shows and movies that they hit each other in no you see a woman hit a man you never see a man actually hit a woman in a movie not a recent movie well I bet you there there is in the last year some show that you has a a man hit a woman and it's a real hit no they can make it no noey sure had that happen but that wasn't set up you can make it look like it's a real hit you could make it look like it but I've never seen I I've never seen a a woman cough a man or a man cough a woman in the face where I thought it was real that Jersey Shore that Snookie got punched in the face by a dude yeah that was real 100% that was 100% got jawed her she got blasted so that's the type of thing you can't fake I mean she just got popped that guy was a [ __ ] Savage that guy was a school teacher and an MMA fighter was he really y yeah I mean he just Uncorked on her face I guess mma's been around long enough now there's just to finally there's some guys coming out and disgracing the sport a little bit there's always going to be crazy people in everything so players [ __ ] whatever comptition aggressive Polo athletes people that are nuts you're going to run into people I mean the the
most unlikely scenario if it's a competition you know you're going to run into not even if it's not a competition there's probably [ __ ] dentists that'll punch you in the face if they're doing shots and then sometimes it works out those MMA guys it works out great what remember that was that a World Star Hip-Hop video with the was it down in DC kind of unassuming white dude oh Ryan Hall dropped a big black guy right and the guy gave up eventually yeah and and then shows like partying with the black dudes later yeah yeah he mounted him you didn't even kick his ass just held him down and just out grappled him just let him know yeah let him know that it's going to get worse that's so awesome yeah well especially if you haven't grappled before you get tired so quick you're like okay okay get off me like you don't have enough energy left to attack them like there's nothing left I love I love bullies getting knocked out video I do love those those make me happy it's nice when you see that as Comics I think where you say think about punching up earlier it really is like we do seek Justice to some degree for sure I just have a problem with the statement that all good comedy is punching up that's just not true there's a lot of good comedy that's punching sideways there's a lot of good comedy that's punching down but there's no but there but Louis CK [ __ ] on his daughter there's no like uh lack of Justice there you know what I mean in that regard like because you said you kind of know it's not only is it implied it's very obvious he's kidding he loves his kid nobody makes an outward uh and and it's funny no one does make an outward thing about that the the the fights people choose to pick when I did uh interestingly enough with the daughter thing when I did Fallon uh I talked [ __ ] about my daughter for the first two minutes of it and then I did Michael Vic jokes and thousands of hate mailes the next day poured in over these Michael Vic jokes over imaginary do I say that uh he was on my team so I have to love him cuz he's on my team at the time he's on the eagle still and I say uh I go you know I know he's a terrible dude and did some terrible things but while he's on my team just win like I'll throw him a dog let him tear it apart like a werewolf in the end zone if he scores and I said I'd
mail him a box of puppies with a photograph of me shushing if he wins the Super Bowl and it killed in the room and it did and but then all the hatte mail came in for that and it was such a weird thing that's like not one person was like how do you [ __ ] talk your daughter like that you know right you're telling a joke about [ __ ] on her Father's Day present or something she got for you it's like no one cares about that there but there was petitions online for a public apology from me for Imaginary dogs dogs that don't exist well once things happen people get excited and they want action they want they want you to apologize and if they can force you into action they've won some sort of an online contest you know they've decided they've written a Blog about it they've started a hashtag make J oerson hash make J apologize yeah it's it's so bizarre to get that wound up about comedy ever I don't get how about about everything man I mean every [ __ ] YouTube video that comes out is a thousand comments people are duking it out in the comment section and people get fired up about almost everything and anything and if they have the license to be offended and people have the license to be offended like they could think that what you said is not funny you know they can think that what you said is cruel but this license to be offended I ever on my show again this is my show I like this show aren't you blown away though how like offended people get espe I feel like comedy should be void of that of course yeah but like I sometimes I feel like we're treated like we're speaking to [ __ ] Congress like yeah we're giving affidavits in cour there's a laughing microphone behind me on a sign you know like what do you well you see it you see what's going on people are just getting attention I mean if if you talk about it and you engage them and they get to be upset about you and find other folks that are upset about it as well everybody gets to be to have a little B attention about that's why and you know it's obviously one of the most famous moments on the show but that's why I was always I was I was very uh tight with kilstein like Jamie kilstein at one point and like as a coming out against comedy that that blew my mind so much when that happened yeah the thing about still once
in a while yeah I will still once in a while go back and watch that whole thing cuz I I'm trying to get where he was coming from with that where he's coming from is a very rigid ideology there's a very rigid ideology of you know what what the the down the people that are talking down on it would call the Social Justice Warriors they they talk about it in a mocking sense social justice Warriors but social justice Warriors like the idea behind like this super male feminists very liberal very you know a lot of them vegan like this this whole idea of do the least amount of harm possible they have a very rigid ideology when it comes to certain things they don't they don't leave any room for certain things to be discussed in a mocking manner you know and I think that you get stuck in that world if you're in that world like they have very rigid rules they don't think you should ever say a joke about rape what was really [ __ ] up is Jamie had one about rape it was about men getting raped raped and it was okay it's like you can't you can you just can't have any mocking jokes about any woman getting raped even if the Daniel Tosh situation it was like such an obvious line that you know she yells out during his if no one knows the scenario TSH was on stage and he was asking the audience what they wanted to talk about because like occasionally someone will yell at a subject and it'll be pretty funny you know and then you may may be able to come up with a bit from it who knows he's just having a good time with the crowd being loose ad living some guy yells talk about r and he goes and he starts listing off all the things that's not funny about rape like what are you talking about what's what is it the the humiliation the physical violence like what part do you think is funny and this woman like self-righteously yells out actually there's nothing funny about rape as if he didn't know that as if he wasn't saying that exact same thing and he goes wouldn't it be funny if Five Guys raped her right now like and then everybody starts howling laughing why because it's a funny thing to say in that moment sure and to argue against that as saying like that promotes a culture that accepts rape is completely ridiculous what it promotes is is rallying against people that are stating the obvious they're
stating the obvious to take a moral High Ground actually there's nothing funny about rape like he was saying that very thing with humor that there is nothing funny about rape when she chimed in it's a person that wanted attention that's the same person that wrote that blog she wrote A Blog about it that very person was like the nightmare person to say that too cuz she went and she wrote this blog and then he wound up giving this like fake apology which is pretty hilarious did yeah did you see uh what lawn oor SVU did with that story uh what they made that into they did really oh yeah you know they do the pulls from the headlines so they had the guy first of all they referred to him as like they're like where you going like we're going up to the college campus to watch that that new rape comic is in town they call him a rape comic no it's Jonathan Silverman plays him that's hilarious he goes the new rape comic in town so he goes up there and his jokes all about you know like [ __ ] chicks against their Wills to some degree God and but everyone loves him he's he's getting huge Applause and cheers oh my God that's so ridiculous the SV the entire what's funny about that is at one scene after they they suspect uh he goes on trial because a girl almost got raped after his show a girl that was a fan of his and they Tred to make the argument that these guys wouldn't have tried to rape her if they weren't all goosed up from his comedy show and that was the actual argument and what they ended up doing with the story was first thing they do that made me laugh was the whole SVU team goes and sits front row at his comedy show is what they do first and they're just sitting there staring and shaking their heads and you almost want to go you guys are actually being a pretty shitty audience like like at the end of the day it's like if you're going to sit there and stare like at least sit in the back like that seems like a kind of a weird like you're making the show get weird and rapy by staring staring at him but then what they do the big payoff is at the end of the whole episode they make that he was also a rapist oh I actually tweeted out I was like pretty [ __ ] irresponsible like that's a really irresponsible thing for the for a show like that to do you would think that it
by the way the kind of people that actually would be rapists they would be talking about how rape is awful because they would proably probably be trying to throw people off the face they wouldn't be like raping all the time and then joking about raping all the time like that sounds like the exact opposite of what you would do if you were trying not to get busted being a [ __ ] rapist crack joke what you were trying to l in people's expectations remember there was a a comedian rapist remember that oh yeah guy would backtrack his schools he would go to uh colleges and he' rape girls at colleges and he would ask them to pray for him really Vince Champ yeah but he do thing Vince CH but then he do he would go like those block bookings like he would go do one school pick out the chick go to the next school and then double back so that's I think he pulled it off for a while I didn't know he had a strategy did he have a strategy from what I understand I I could be wrong about that obviously but but that's I've heard that from several sources it was like a doubling back thing he won Star Search in 1992 and he's serving a 55 to 70E sentence for rapes he committed at college campuses on a standup circuit how many did they say how many rapes there's a bunch I don't know man the uh story I'm looking for has been removed from the internet how many rapes were there well there were so many rapes in the late '90s bucking of rapes it was in the late 90s yeah I don't know how many guy how many girls he raped but he would have asked them to pray for him which is really [ __ ] rape the last thing a chick wants to hear while you're raping him so even you feel bad about the rape I I think rape there always has to be like it seems to me like there's got to be a shut up or I'll do this like element to it because I I feel like you just couldn't it's like professional wrestling like how you couldn't suplex somebody like a a vertical suplex that doesn't want to be suplexed like you couldn't possibly do it to someone I feel like how could you [ __ ] someone who's really snapping their leg shut and fighting it I almost see like it's an impossible task are you serious it's got physically for real yeah I mean to something like it happens all the time obviously it can happen no but say I
think there's always an element I think eventually the girl kind of has to do like some kind of like just get this [ __ ] over if you fight physically fight the entire time I feel like you almost couldn't pull it off um I don't know man I think a guy could probably pull it off I think they do I don't know even know what you're saying like guys definitely rape girls fight to Jes Christ it it sound like I say guys don't rap but girls fight them off and they still rape them that [ __ ] happens all the time I think men are just bigger you know big strong men and small women it's probably they hold you down the liquid I think though if you just spit no I mean like if you like she's not going to be wet you know I'm not even talking about that I'm talking about the of someone like non-stop like physically flailing around like to to completely subdue someone's for have you ever just like playfully wrestled with a girl like with girlfriend something was like uh oh yeah my my chick if I try to hold her arms and to tickle her and she's flailing like I don't think I can control her fully she's not a big girl at all I can control my girlfriend she can't move Brian kicks ass on bullies controls his girl he's a [ __ ] Savage dude you could stop a rap rape don't even forget all personal appearances put that aside he's a Savage Jesus Christ I can control my girl yeah you could look man if you know how to wrestle you could hold the chick down pretty goddamn easy it's not hard could hold that dude down but you have to hold her down and accomplish something that's like sort of intricate to some degree H I don't know I don't know this is a weird thing to speculate let's break it down how would you do let's take it around the horn Jiu-Jitsu yeah first of all I do a classroom Judo throw then Jiu-Jitsu and spit I think that uh it'd probably be uh it it's like especially there's a lot of violence involved right like hitting choking I don't think it would be hard I mean it would obviously it wouldn't be as easy as like normal sex no that's but I'm almost making the point I'm saying by the time actually the sex part happens I feel like there's just a give up to some degree man yeah I guess you can see me
appearing at the tomahawk University colle start my announced my College Tour it's called the don't worry I don't believe I could possibly rape you tour hey everybody has their own confidence level what they put up what they can pull off and can't pull off in this life if you feel like you're limited in that regard I can never dunk a basketball and I can never rape those are the two things I physically can't pull off it is a [ __ ] up thing man that that's like so common in the animal community like violence and sex like if you ever watch like cat I was watching this documentary or I was listening to this uh podcast rather uh about um Tasmanian devils and how vicious Tasmanian devils are with each other that while they're having sex like they they always bite each other they're constantly biting each other they [ __ ] each other's faces up like when they have sex and they [ __ ] each other's faces up when they're uh fighting over a meal they're constantly going at it but there was a disease that was spreading amongst them it was actually a type of cancer and the type of cancer was actually proving to be um something that's contagious by some strange manner of evolution these cancerous cells would burst and infect the cells around them and so they all these uh Tasmanian devils started dying off because they started developing these cancerous contagious tumors and they were constantly biting each other in the face so they would be biting into these tumors and the the tumors would like literally make tumors on the other animals Jesus yeah but just constantly attacking and [ __ ] mangling each other like that's what they did they were just constantly like biting when they [ __ ] is and they make these crazy noises man this guy who is a uh have you ever listen to Radio Lab you know what I'm talking about yeah amazing podcast it's an amazing podcast and the podcast is all um you know it's all like really interesting things that are like one of them they had about uh the problems with trying to communicate with dolphins and just really fascinating fasing stuff one of them was on the apocalypse like how uh what the asteroid impact did and how many animals were killed off and what the original humans probably looked like the thing that became a human that was
alive back then this [ __ ] burrowing underground mammal rodent type thing but um they were doing this this Radio Lab One on these Tasmanian devils and this cancer that was spreading it was [ __ ] Madness man I don't like to dig into stuff like that too much if it gives me like genuine anxiety especially apocalypse stuff yeah like you know it's like oh was always just a chance a you know a meteor size of Texas could destroy the Earth but is weird that that became like a thing with these animals that they would bite and [ __ ] while they're biting they're biting each other in the face and and that's not a discussion that's just nature the nature of it yeah it's not like constantly do it apparently they just bite they're just always fighting over meat and [ __ ] biting each other in the face and Sh P mantis [ __ ] and kills like immediately so yeah same you know it's like so does black widow right yep that's real common in the insect Community I Saw an Ant once this uh weird [ __ ] ant uh that takes it's they're almost all females and there's occasionally males and when they find a male they bite his legs off they bite his legs off and they bring the Mal's like slightly larger they bite his legs off and then they carry him into the hive to breed and then they wind up killing him they make him write a book they just they [ __ ] him he has like wings I think too is that the story of misery you make him write a book with your favorite character yeah we have it so weak we're such [ __ ] you know we we have a conversation about how difficult it would be to rape somebody and it's like dangerous subject to tread you look into the the nature world it's like sex without rape they're like what are you talking about that doesn't even happen I wanted I take it yeah there's that's how you make sure that [ __ ] well yeah and the lion has to get through all the male lions he has to prove his worth and then eventually he's going to get pushed out by some new Young Lions you know because he wants to keep like a few chicks around and some new Young Lions are again and then he's going to be out there on his own they say that's like the biggest problem in Africa it's like a metaphor for SNL for some the new line comes in the old one gets sent out the pasture meows I never
watched that show but like with uh African uh villages the the real problem that they have is when a lion uh gets cast out and uh the the females don't get their food anymore then the Lions have to go get their own food and a lot of those old males they start to get crippled and slow and they they chip teeth off and [ __ ] then they become super dangerous because they can't get the the normal game animals they're used to getting so then they start snatching people just oh yeah they keep proving themselves well there was a leopard there was a story about a Le it was in the news yesterday um about a leopard in India that they think was responsible one individual leopard responsible for 15 deaths 15 different people that it targets drunk people and that it waits yeah how [ __ ] does that really yes leopard Waits takes a spot yeah well people you know they go out and they start partying and this leopard has apparently developed this taste for drunk people like he knows that when people come out of These Bars they're slow and they don't know what the [ __ ] going on they're not on their they're not on the ball and they get jacked it's almost weird to walk out of anywhere in the world of a bar and there's a leopard waiting for you IM even in India India is scary with leopard in fact in India I find it more weird there's a bar than a leopard waiting to kill you I feel like the bomb like there's bars in India well you know what interesting like India everybody always thinks of as being like this place of peaceful meditation and yoga right I mean that's a lot of people think of desert but you you hear about all these goddamn gang rapes like India has these horrible stories of people getting like gang raped on buses and women dying like you don't you hear about those quite a bit yeah like I wouldn't have normally Associated that with India you know we don't we don't think of that but it's like when you have a billion people you got a lot of crazy [ __ ] going on you got a billion people stuffed onto a continent you imagine yeah I mean the young people anywhere picking up on especially with internet and everything picking up on like the culture of all that stuff so if you go to South Africa they're street gangs you know and they think they're
Bloods and Crips because that's what they see really sure yeah I mean it's not I don't think they're directly Affiliated but there's like there's street gangs you know like that kind of thing in South Africa like a weird place like that do you remember when there was a Ice Cube song about um moving the Crips and the Bloods to the Midwest no what was the song yeah steady mobin I think it was road trip it was yeah it was it was something like that where these uh these gang bangers it got too hot in La so they set up gang Affiliates in the middle of the country oh those are those like Southern ones are like those documentaries HBO would do about the white boy gangs like just a bunch of dudes wearing like bandanas over their face and carrying ha sickles a terrifying thing coming your way is like like Children of the Corn with dags on what was that show was like banging in the suburbs banging Little Rock banging in Little Rock that's wow that's right like white trash guys like get him get that scared a lot of people oh yeah banging in Little Rock type [ __ ] that scares a lot of people the idea that this gang violence that you see in like Englewood and Compton on the the television shows that that somehow or another that boys in the hood [ __ ] could somehow another make it yeah and it's like terrifying when you see in the South it's weird CU it looks it's already kind of a scary area of like swampy overgrown Hedges and stuff and then there's like yeah there's like a dude with an Uzi wearing a red flannel and swampy Louisiana weather and if you yeah [ __ ] and if you're scared of it you're racist just don't hit back you know I tell you what I've talked about some [ __ ] on this podcast and gotten you know a lot of people's reactions about it but one of the biggest reactions I ever got about anything I said was that I was talking about Jon Jones and I said I wonder how much of like why he's not popular is racism I wonder if people are racist you if you even say you wonder that someone might be racist like if if someone's reaction to something it's probably like flipping of me to say like that's like especially when you're not considering it before you're saying it you're just discussing a subject because
you think it's interesting it's a such a charge subject you got to have like a fully formed idea before you say it but just the mere possibility that some people could be racist was like such a like people are so angry like not even saying you're racist not saying the only way that you couldn't like the guy was because of racism I said I wonder how much of it is racism I wonder if it's a factor because I always wonder about racism I think he gives reasons beyond that but I think it's a fair question I me he gives reasons to dislike him Beyond race but you know at the same time why yeah some people will just is it ridiculous the notion that people will just blindly like think just you know what I mean like I don't know leave in a world of apologies don't apologize for asking well it's it's it's a just such a highly charged subject it's a fascinating thing that it's so highly charged that you know even a mere suggestion and if if people thought in some way that I meant if you don't like him it's because you're racist then that's my shitty job of communicating an idea cuz that certainly was never what I was thinking but what I was thinking was I think I know for a fact when I was a kid I used to root for white guys I just did like when J Jerry Cooney fought Larry Holmes I remember very clearly being embarrassed that I rooted for Jerry Cooney because he was a white guy because I remember Larry Holmes boxed the [ __ ] out of him and he just picked him apart and before that I mean Jerry Cooney was a really good fighter um he was uh he beat Ken Norton he knocked him out devastating knockout it was like it was he was a good fighter but Larry Holmes was a master at the time and it was a just I should have been appreciating what Larry Holmes was able to do to this guy who' been able to knock out some really good Fighters that Larry Holmes was just using his skill and that it was a but I had been rooting for Jerry Cooney so when he lost I was like damn but was it because he was it might have been because he was the underdog too no I was a kid I was dumb I know I was rooting for it because he was white I know I was was probably like I was a senior or a junior maybe a junior in high school so I guess I was like 16 and uh yeah I was just dumb I mean it
wasn't that I was a racist it was but how dumb you could just been going what you would what you attached to the most like what you related to the most most certainly I could be that guy yeah most certainly most certainly yeah but um I did it a little bit when I was 20 not but not nearly as enthusiastically with Tommy mors screaming I love you white boxer no with Tommy Marson I was like I just you know I was keeping an eye on him how'd you feel after after Ray Mercer how you feel after that that was the worst knockout I've ever seen in my life that knockout was so good that my friend Kevin who was like a huge fan of Tommy Morrison was was like he wasn't even bummed out he's like damn that dude's awesome just saying that you know Ray Mercer was so awesome even though he was rooting for Tommy morison it was such a brutal knockout they just wanted to see Ray Mercer fight again it was so good cut to Ray Mercer whispering in a guy's ear a few years later like please take a dive I'll give you half the money who did he say that to I forget but it was like a court TV case oh that's right oh my god when they were in the clinch he goes take a dive I'll give you half the money who was that was it Bobby chz no who was it that he had a fight with he had a fight with someone and it was an important if he lost the fight uh he was not going to get a title shot so he was that's right or allegedly he asked true he ever been proven was it ever proven you can look it up I think he may have been found guilty of that maybe I don't know did you ever watch that documentary speaking of boxing about the guy H what was his name where they they made his like inside of his gloves Billy Resto yeah yeah yeah they [ __ ] his he fought Billy Billy Collins Jr I think he claims you didn't know he claims he didn't know yeah that was uh Panama Lewis that was the same guy who doctored up um uh Aaron prior's uh drink he said uh don't give me that water give me the other one the one that I fixed and then he gives it to Aaron Pryor and Aaron Pryor goes out there like a [ __ ] bat out of hell and knocks out Alexis aru on the next round and they said it was some sort of a stimulant Aaron problem Aaron prior rather wind up having a bit of a drug problem so could could have been related in that way but um it's just weird how how the the the [ __ ]
ferocity of the reactions when I brought up this racism thing maybe it was like irresponsible on my part but I'm I'm sort of happy that I brought it up anyway just because I'm fascinated by the response and I'm fascinated by no black people disagreed with me that's the weird thing the weird thing is the guys who disagree I mean I don't know everybody who disagree with me on Twitter so I'm kind of talking out of my ass here but the people that I interact with on a regular basis whether Comics or whatever they all thought it was the the black guys all thought it was very valid that there's certain amount of like extra judgment that you give a cocky young black athlete I was like that's fascinating like I wonder if that's true even just paying attention to that that's something I wonder you know that's I wonder what of a factor it is and it's not it's not the only Factor look there's 350 million people on this plan in this country rather and if you know if a million people like you and a million people hate you this a [ __ ] wide variety of reasons but to say that out of all the millions of people who know you are that there on a certain percentage of them that are racist seems disingenuous I mean it seems like there's a certain amount of people across the board that are going to be racist if you have 350 million people I don't know how many people you're going to get that are racist but there's got to be a certain percentage that has to be factored in there so you know saying you wonder how much of it is yeah I think the interesting thing is that I think Floyd Mayweather people that hate him I bet there's a lot more racism involved in that than Jon Jones Jon Jones gives you pretty valid reasons to be like this guy's sort of a dick uh just publicly from what you see you know I don't know anything of him other than what I see in the in the press and on the shows but I mean like Mayweather's a guy you know you seees like you know the Press is talking to him he's like throwing $100 bills on the you know you're just like like that's show but that personality feeds into someone who's got racism in their heart that's really that that fires them up well I read some horrific [ __ ] about well I've read I've read some racist
[ __ ] about both guys about Jon Jones and about Floyd Mayweather but this recent a barrage of [ __ ] about people like how much hate they have for him after he fought maidon and lost you know I don't know if they were betting on my I don't know what it is but that's also how he sells tickets I mean he sells tickets by people wanting him to lose sure but he's so [ __ ] good you could barely hit him if he gets tagged once or twice hard in a fight it's shocking and rare but there's a lot of fights where he'll go like the entire fight just boxing someone's face off and not get hit at all so for every sugar Shay Mosley who connects or every M Donna right hand that lands there's like a lot of rounds where he's not even getting hit he's just slipping out of things and moving and doing things to you that you didn't expect and moving in a way that you didn't anticipate and being nowhere near near you when you're looking to hit him you know he's a master but he's also a master of manipulation I mean he's playing the heel where I think JN is just a young guy figuring it out on his own while he's one of the baddest men on the planet at 25 years of age and he's had this ridiculous rise to success that happened in a really short period of time like from the time he was like 21 years old to the time that he's 25 starts martial arts and becomes the light heavyweight champion I mean that that's [ __ ] crazy I mean he had a martial art background because he was a really good wrestler and did know some kicking and punching and stuff before he started into MMA but he got into MMA because he got his girlfriend pregnant and he you know he couldn't go to college he wanted to do the right thing and said all right [ __ ] it I'll start fighting and then got into it I mean it's a crazy Road for anybody to take and to be that popular and that famous at 25 yeah you're going to [ __ ] up man but there was a you're going to make mistakes you got to watch can you almost pinpoint what it is when the the switch flipped on him I remember like I saw I went to I went to UFC 101 uh in Philly Forest Griffin versus uh Silva and there he was walking around uh Jon Jones just walking around and I remember uh my buddy Dave was with me was like there's Jon Jones man he's like that guy's badass he's going to be the next champ
like he was just really pumping him up like saying how great he was and how fun of a young and then I started paying attention to him more and he was amazing and then just one day it just seems like people were like what a dick some people yeah yeah but people want you to be perfect they're looking for Flaws such a bad [ __ ] the ma thing was the first thing I saw he didn't do anything wrong in that what do you mean I thought it was weird that he dropped him afterwards I know it's an aggressive situation but I think dropping a guy that he said he knew was unconscious was kind of was was kind of shitty for a sport we I thought I thought this is all supposed to be handshakes at the end and stuff I see what you're saying I see what you're saying combat mode though you know mean you could hear uh but when he walks over it's funny uh Greg Jackson you could hear him say to him he goes John goes go win these people back and go check on if he's okay he says he goes go check if he's okay go get some fans yeah go get some fans yeah no that's true um I think but also I think to be a bad [ __ ] at that high level like a lot of times these guys are so intense that they get completely caught up in it and they just trapped in the moment I think I know the dude I know him from backstage I know him from when he's not fighting and he's really friendly he's a really cool dude but I wouldn't want to be fighting him I think if you're competing against him I think he's all those dudes that are at the top of the Heap they're pretty [ __ ] ferocious and some guys are better at keeping it together in scenarios like that you know where they don't drop the guy but some guys aren't you know I mean Dan Henderson who one of the greatest of all times one of the most famous moments in his career is he knocked out Michael bisbing with this vicious right hand and bisbing went soaring I mean he was out cold and Henderson dropped one on him afterwards and talked about it in the postf fight interview how he dropped one on it I mean that's common he said the last one was for like running his mouth kind of thing exactly babalo who's another famous mixed martial arts fighter great fighter who fought in a bunch of different organizations he lost his gig with the UFC partially because
he held on to this guy after he was done choking him and then talked about it in the postf fight press interview with me you know and um that guy was I mean not doing anything that BJ Penn hadn't done BJ Penn did the same thing to Jen pver like pver was tapping he still [ __ ] hung on to it cuz they were angry at each other but pver didn't go out you know and for what ever reason him holding that choke for an extra couple of seconds was okay whereas bobaloo's guy went out and then he talked about it but everybody knows why they do it they do it cuz they're [ __ ] caught up in all the trash talking and all the [ __ ] and you know it is important that a fighter let go when a referee tell him not to but it's understandable how these guys get caught up in that it's understandable it's got they got to stop doing it but what Jon did technically there not there's nothing wrong with it cuz when the referee came over to him he didn't keep hanging on to it that would have been a more egregious example more more you know but it is one of those things where you appreciate like Nate marquart fought this guy Damen Maya knocked him out with one punch Damen was like Dazed but still conscious and markart hovered over him and pulled back realized he was out of it the referee stepped in stopped it but Nate easily could have Dropped a Bomb on him and he didn't and it was a really classy move and people really respected that that he did that and I made sure I talked about it in the commentary that is a very classy move Roy Jones used to do that Ro like almost look at the ref like stop this he did that with Vinnie Penza he looked over at the ref and he's like come on man stop the fight and the referee said no he said okay and then he went Bing and dropped him again you know and yeah I mean there's moments isn't fighting an interesting thing when once you lose your mojo man it's amaz isn't amazing Roy Jones overnight went from like still doing amazing things then he lost and he lost again then he lost it just it can go it's like once you stop believing in yourself as an athlete you believe it is a lot do with you believing you're indestructible once you see that [ __ ] in your own armor man getting that getting that energy back up to do it again must be really really
hard yeah guarantee and there was a lot of other factors involved in Roy too because he went up to heavyweight and then really had to dehydrate himself and weakened himself very badly getting back down the light heavyweight again and then he got knocked out I mean he fought um uh Glen Johnson right no Glenn Johnson knocked him out after godd damn it I can't believe Tarver yes Antonio Tarver tarva knocked him out tarva was the first guy to stop him and he did it in a fight where it was a rematch of a fight that they had that was very close and then Roy went up to heavyweight he boxed John Ruiz and beat him for the title then came down to light heavyweight and in losing that 25 lounds he really dehydrated the [ __ ] out of himself he looked terrible he looked like he had starved his he lost all of his like his his like hardness to his muscles he looked terrible like it was a really ugly weight cut and he might have been on some [ __ ] to get up to heavyweight too that's possible and then you get off that [ __ ] your hormone levels crash that's a speculation but the bottom line was Tarver knocked him out and when Tarver connected and Carver tarver's a big puncher and when he connected and knocked him out Roy was never the same then the Glenn Johnson fight was scary that's it never the same just one day it just happens it's Mike Tyson was never the same you know Lennox Lewis yeah he was never the same necessarily after jail but he was still pretty ferocious after jail well he Tyson went to jail after he lost the title Tyson lost and then went to jail and came back was still [ __ ] ferocious yeah the difference in like what happened with Roy is that Roy fought again like within a certain amount of time and got knocked out really bad and when you get knocked out by a guy when you get your brain scrambled like it takes a long time for he like it's like Freddy roach is a genius and one of the things that he did brilliantly with Manny Pacquiao is after Pacquiao got knocked out he told him like you're not going to fight for a year he's like take your head out of this like there's no more we're going that was a bad knockout and Freddy is a guy who suffers from trauma related Parkinson's himself he's got the shakes from his career in boxing and so because
of that he's super super aware of damage and he's like look you could be okay but you got to heal up like you there's no contact for a long time you're going to not fight for a year and then he came back a year later and he looked great I me he looked like Manny Pacquiao and it's I think that rest time is like super important that recuperation time it's very important when a guy gets knocked out and so we saw Roy get beat by that guy or get beat by Tarver and then beat Again by Johnson in a really scary way yeah yeah that's when he went through the ropes well he went down and backed his banged his head off the ground and he was stiff at the end of the fight like he was like stiff in this weird scary way um and it it didn't look like the kind of punch that would do that to you like it didn't look like the kind of punch that would uh really put you in a in a catatonic State like that that was scary as [ __ ] man it was also scary because Roy Jones you know he used to be Invincible yeah that's what I mean watching that happen to people is very you know it's watching like you know Michael Jordan number 45 come back on the Washington Wizards you know you're like ah well was like watching Michael Jordan play baseball yeah that was the first thing that was yeah that was definitely the first thing but I mean but to come back cuz he came back and then was pretty great again but then by the time he came back on the Wizards that one time it was like why even like you never wanted to believe it wouldn't be good anymore I never saw that I never saw him come back that was tough to watch I had that with uh being from Philly Iverson when he came back for like did like 16 games before he left again doesn't Iverson have some weird situation where like when he gets to be 50 he gets like some giant chunk of money apparently yeah with a Reebok he has some kind of like they like in trust or something yeah oh weird but he's broke now right that's what they say they said he was begging for money well it turned out it was [ __ ] right wasn't that a [ __ ] story he's not begging for and he just retired his number he looks fine you know like no somebody was uh somebody was saying that he was outside of a mall asking for money but then I think that turned out to be like a [ __ ] rumor
that someone started yeah that's absolutely I heard Marilyn Manson lives above a a [ __ ] liquor store here in La there's he might he might do that just to be a [ __ ] crazy person Marilyn Manson is the real deal dude talk to Stan do you know Stan hope no he's marn Manson my favorite rock star of all time do you know Stan hope yeah yeah you need to talk to Stan hope about Manson they hung out oh good lordy really oh I don't want to say anything on the air it's not my place but go uh ask he's he's not playing games sounds like an absent story no involves a lot of different things you need to uh hear it all from stov I will I will look into that or Maron Manson or talk to Tate Fletcher Tate Fletcher's hung out with him too I never met Marilyn Manson cuz uh the same reason every time I see dice I never really talk to him because I'm like if this guy's a douchebag to me it's going to just destroy my thing dice will be cool to you if you're a comic yeah you'll be I wrote them oh man Bobby Kelly's podcast they made me read it I wrote them I got stoned one night and just this is this should have happened 15 years ago not a year and a half ago I wrote him some Facebook e love letter and the return thing was like uh this is actually dice's assistant he doesn't really check his own person like yes oh I gave him references to who to ask about me that I'm Legit no how long had you been doing comedy when you did that 14 years it was a year and a half ago that's what I'm saying it was I got stoned and I was like you know you know what it was I got stoned and I was listening to dican cometh and Dice Man cometh look as a as a professional adult comic now doing it many years like I I I see the holes in everyone's game all you know what I mean like I don't there's no pedestal that I have him on except for the fact that dice when I was younger loved him my favorite thing in the world part of the reason I would be funny like I would go to school and recite dice lines and it was also a bonding thing that me and my step pop my step pop started dating my mom and staying over and everything like that like he would let me watch dice like he brought that into my life that was like our bonding thing that we both just love dice so now when I see him
just one of those guys just like you that I've just somehow we haven't crossed pths and uh I've seen him on once in a while like I'm going to go talk to him and I just don't well if I'm ever around him and you're around him I'll introduce you he's great he's fun he's been on the podcast a bunch of times he's been great on the Pod yeah I hung out with him and uh Norton and Anthony and uh it was God it was a bunch of us and Brian and who else was with us was Bobby Kelly no it wasn't Bobby Kelly it was was Bobby Kelly yeah Bobby Kelly was there too yeah and we all uh saw him we went to his show in uh in Vegas at the Riviera nice which is the classic rier the classic venue the only place I've ever played hasn't changed since the 1970 I mean they they haven't done a goddamn thing they've washed the floor that's it he did the comedy club yeah the upstairs the right across from the dancing girls show he was at the above thing the theater they used to have the Frank Marino drag show the drag queen show did you ever see that no oh it was great he's uh like the lady is a queen I think like he has like a like a book out about you know being a crossdresser he used do a whole show where he would like crossdress this guy and he's like a famous crossdresser for Vegas like one of those guys where like you really didn't see him or hear about him anywhere else but if you're in Vegas like Frank Marino you would see his name on these cabs like the little triangle that sits on top of the cab you know what I'm talking about the little billboard thing have that they rent out and uh so dice had that room was like the upstairs room it's a larger room and uh we went to see it we're howling like little school children and then after it was over we were hanging out backstage and I was like holy [ __ ] I'm backstage with dice like I was thinking about like being a kid and listening to his it was a cassette my car dice rules it was just dice I think the first one was just dice yeah you know and I was listening to it this girl I was dating we were crying laughing we thought it was so fun cuz back then it was like so shocking what he was saying anytime someone dismisses dice I always go uh he goes he's having a hard time making friends so I go to see the psychotherapist and I'm like hey Doc I'm having a hard time
making friends you [ __ ] [ __ ] I'm like if you tell me that's not funny and you just don't know what funny is that's funny well he you know if you know his story that that dice part was a character yep oh yeah no I know the I mean just from being a fan but I heard him on your thing too tell the whole story and everything but it's weird that it's weird that he acknowledges it being a character and still in a weird way chooses to live as the character he likes it he likes being that guy he likes wearing wrestling sort of oh Joey butafuko sweatshirts and [ __ ] just the cut weightlifting gloves oh he's going do Flash Dance The Flash Dance shirts he used to wear the Gold's Gym jacket everywhere it's great the way he came out on that uh the one he did in the round the special yeah was what just H the B the headband with the big feather like staying alive hair well you ever hear him talk about how he tried to move back to Brooklyn too uh-uh oh it's hilarious yeah you just tried to move back with those animals they're like like after he became the dice man I'm going to go back to the neighborhood got to get back to [ __ ] Hills put up a fence and hide behind it he can't the hanging around with those people it's interesting I'd be curious to find out if Larry the Cable Guy like he's like hey hey babe I got to run to the hardware store whatever you know I'm sure he doesn't do that but whatever I have to go out for if he has to go throw on like a sleeveless flannel shirt if he can go back I mean he's like a tucked in shirt guy well he that is a complete and total character yeah Dan Whitney but say but but does he I mean does he almost committed to living his life now as Larry the Cable I mean he sort of has to kind of has to I mean if he ever went out as Dan Whitney or did an interview like on The View he's one of the few real characters in standup whereas like if he went on The View I don't know why I keep saying if he went on the the Jimmy Fallon show The Tonight Show and and he went on as Dan Whitney it would probably blow his whole [ __ ] thing well isn't that what happened you can almost pinpoint the change in dice's career trajectory was when he cried on Areno Hall he humanized himself too much which some people
probably thought was a cool thing but when he cried about like you know dice man's supposed to come out and be you know they were taking this movie out of the theater that was his beef and he got teed but if before he you know dice is supposed to come out and be like [ __ ] you don't see my movie you chatz wow but he cried Ono Hall and it was real was a genuine moment and that's just you know that's not who dice is well I think he was also under some insane pressure like if you don't remember what it was like back then like there were so many people that were angry at him I mean he had like some hateful comedy yeah you like the things that he was making F like the way he was making fun of it it's like if you go back and listen to like Eddie Murphy Raw if you go back and see some of the gay stuff like it was like really aggressively anti-gay like homophobic the comic strip in New York I've told this on so many radio shows but does make me laugh that how things have changed and no one comes down on Eddie Murphy ever for this stuff but they have two of his gold albums on the wall and the first one track four just called [ __ ] and then track one on the next album is called uh it says [ __ ] and then parentheses says Revisited like we didn't cover it all in the first go round my god well it's in that way like social justice Warriors as it were are kind of important because that's the only reason why a lot of this change has taken place is because of how outraged people got like if people just kept quiet about it back then so in a way like a lot of the the the over like taking it too far like sort of bounces back and has a healthy midle you know what I mean like in some ways like there's always going to be like the farle but in in a lot of ways the far left tempers the far right it's like because like the standard it it changes it moves back and forth like if you if you let people go and and you know be as racist and as homophobic and as hateful as they want and don't do anything about it they kind of never realize that where they're doing is shitty but because of the blowback like dice all that crying and everything that he did that's probably a direct result of blowback like he's probably like he was constantly experiencing people that were protesting remember he got kicked off of
MTV for life for life and I remember CT loer saying about how unfunny it was and this and like unfunny to who to you okay I guarantee you if he did that late night at The Comedy Store it would [ __ ] Crush yeah so like are you recognizing this is a character or do you think this is a real person who's saying these real things and you don't think there's any comedy in this this play that he's putting on which is essentially he's pretending to be the Soulful guy oh you [ __ ] like that saying he's going to [ __ ] a guy's chick in front of him like it's obvious that he doesn't really mean I mean he's like 5 minutes left that's what he's doing there's some craziness to it there I mean it's a character I mean is that a is there a difference between that character and the Bad Guy character in a movie where the guy is going running around killing people or raping people or is there a difference I mean it is just fiction like how come we don't hold the actor responsible because the actor didn't write it if he wrote it and he wanted to be the bad guy would be we be upset at him no it's like for thean that kind of Comedy but I mean but there's also you don't have to do a character to say I I feel like I feel like the entire disclaimer of everything goes to like I said earlier it's like there's a laughing microphone behind you on a wall like we're not you know what I mean like I'm not addressing you know the state of the the State of the Union you know what I mean like I'm up here telling it's like it's clearly that was all my thing about uh with the TSH the lady getting so mad it's like do you believe for one Split Second that Daniel Tosh is pro rape and has slipped through the crack to find himself massive television suc like do you believe that like that doesn't happen it doesn't happen that would have reared its head before it's not what they're saying what they're saying is they found a green light they found a green light to be outraged and you know also some people way more sensitive than others you know being called out in front of all those people having everybody laugh at what he said to her probably sucked for her so she decided that she was for whatever reason you know she was justified in proving her point or making her point or expressing
herself which you know you should be allowed to express yourself but the idea that he's supposed to apologize for that like if you look at what it was on paper and then they hear Comics agreeing with him that was just disappointing but your outrage is supposed to come at like oppression Injustice whatever it's not you're not supposed to like Rage Against The Art you know what I mean like in a clear the creatives [ __ ] around situation where someone's just [ __ ] around it's clear means ad libing this is not a a thought out piece you know where he's advocating a woman a random woman getting raped for no reason other Clan rally is what I'm saying it's they're in an environment of this is what it is well you know what man some people would be really happy if everybody was exactly like them if everybody had the same sensibility sensibilities sensitivities and everybody had the same ideas about what's important to talk about what you can't talk about what's taboo what's okay you know there's plenty of people out there that agree and disagree and they're [ __ ] going at it back and forth that's what's fascinating that's what's fascinating about trying to find out where's the middle ground like how much of it is me being being crazy how much of it is uh me just tapping into one mindset with whatever thing you support or disagree with you know anything whether it's the style of Comedy that people do or the kind of music that people are into some [ __ ] kid got arrested because he took some lyrics to a song and uh put it put the lyrics up as a tweet and they arrested him cuz it was like some [ __ ] crazy some song about school shootings oh I was going to say it wasn't for like the actual copyright of the song you're saying no no no no he they they came they arrested him because he he tweeted some and the band I forget what the show's almost over I forget what the band's name was that uh came to his defense but they're like this is the lyrics to our song it's like an anti-school shooting song you know but it's like talking about like where this all comes from the ra I don't know if it's an anti school shooting song but it's just a song and it's coming from like the Rage of like where where's this guy feeling what is this guy doing and
this guy tweeted this these lyrics like like if you tweet something from a movie about like kill them all let God sort them out like does that mean I'm going to go out and kill people I mean Gus f s made a whole basically a Coline movie yeah right you know it's you remember what he did in that movie though what he added in for some reason was before they went to do the murder they just got in the shower together and made out what movie was that he just elephant he just added that in there before they went to go shoot it was all the same thing they filming themselves and planning the whole thing for weeks and getting the guns together and then right before school that morning they just hopped in the shower together started making out the two dudes yeah nothing about that ever in the real story that was how he made it like you know oh no this isn't the Coline story these kids were making out in a shower first wow that's pretty clever of him hilarious and on that note big J oerson thank you very much brother there was a lot of fun do this more I think we could do like 100 of these well anytime I come out dude I'll be anytime how often are you out here I'm trying to come out more I'm trying to come out like three times a year at least beautiful and you're on uh AR shaffir's Storyteller show that's online and you doing the doing the one for TV tonight so I think there's probably some tickets ailable Ari was upset that uh they weren't um moving quick enough people just didn't know about it but they're available for free contact Ari shafir on Twitter and he will respond to you and get you tickets for free yeah big J oerson on Twitter what's your website uh big J Comedy Big J comedy ladies and gentlemen thank you brother dude thanks for having fun times Amazing thanks to our sponsor thanks to Squarespace go to squarespace.com use the code word Rogan and save 10% off your first purchase at squarespace.com entering the code word Rogan thanks also to Legal Zoom enter the code word Rogan at the referral box at checkout Legal Zoom an awesome way to do legal [ __ ] from the Comforts of your own home and last but not least thanks toon it.com that's o n niit t use the code word Rogan and save 10% off any and all supplements all right we'll be back tomorrow with Rupert sheldrake and then
Thursday with Graham Hancock see you soon bye-bye big kiss [Applause] [Music] oh