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to you in the Octagon for a really long time so we took a while it did take a long time took a while 12 years as a pro to finally get a little Joe interview yeah but the interview was a you couldn't ask for a better environment to do that first interview do it U when the UFC fight for the troops you know to do it and to do it after that spectac knockout and just that was intense man and it it wasn't just intense cuz you won what was really intense for me is um and I've always experienced this in these fights for the troops first of all it's great to be able to go to them and put on these fights and have them in these hangers and these tight environments and just the appreciation and the respect that everybody has for the fighters is really intense but you first of all you being a veteran and you you being unabashed in your love for soldiers and your respect for your your your fellow military members when you got on top of that cage and after you know they were cheering and you were yelling out to all those people that you love them I mean this is all off camera man we had cut to Commercial and you're on top of the cage and you're just yelling at all those people letting them know that you love them that was some intense intense [ __ ] yeah overwhelming emotional near shut down you know I'm walking out to the cage I see this dude he flies for 160th which is like the Special Forces wing of Aviation the last time I saw that dude was I was handing him my shot buddy you know I'm like it's a big thing in Special Force Community we're real tight you know like I'm handing him my brother that has bullet holes in him and and I'm I'm like I don't want to let him go and he's like hey I got this this is what I do you go do what you're supposed to do and get back to work that was the last time I saw this dude was handing him my buddy on a medac then I'm walking out to the cage and I was like holy [ __ ] there is that dude from the 160th that I handed my shot buddy to totally overwhelming then I have to go in there and fight and then uh you know I fifth Special Forces Group is co-located there so I saw a bunch of dudes from you like the Green Beret regiment yeah it was entirely too much emotion I just wanted to like curl up and cry yeah it's a completely
different kind of there's you on top of the cage up there in that that photo that's just an intense intense picture that picture should be framed and on your wall somewhere cuz that is one of the greatest pictures I've ever seen if you could cut me out and just have the dude no no no no no you need to be in there for reference I mean but that's your attitude what you just said cut me out and leave the dudes that that really is your attitude you you really don't want the you you were saying while you were up there that my job is is in here is easy what you guys do you guys are my heroes yep you know you have good memory yeah I remember everything that's disturbing scary don't get in a fight with Joe Rogan verbally this do not go well for you I remember things just well I remember important things and that was a that was a a deep moment you know there was um I wrote a thing a long time ago about uh one of the fights for the troops about the uh the national anthem and I recorded it I filmed it on my phone when someone was singing the National Anthem and you turn around and you know I was I was filming the crowd while it was all going on and the the feeling in the air the electricity in the air of hearing the national anthem while you're around active duty soldiers who are in a war currently have had friends had loved ones die have experienced firefights have been there have come back and now they're here in time off getting to enjoy a fight and everyone's standing up and there's electricity in the air man your [ __ ] hairs are standing up on your back it's just crazy it's it's intense it's intense it's a totally different experience yep it's there you I I don't know I don't understand the whole realm outside of like what you can physically see but there's no way to describe you know like moments like that where you're surrounded by these Heroes that these selfless freaking superstars of humanity and um you know they bleed in every sense of the word for their country and then the national anthem come on or the flag goes up and you see them all and there's there's this energy there that just can't be described it can only be experienced it's surreal you know that's the that's the really intense uh aspect of it is that there's there's a lot of resistance and blowback
towards war and towards the military-industrial complex and towards both of which are horrible yeah but what what's important is the people every everybody wants everything to be black and white and there's no black and white in this world there's this gigantic spectrum of Shades and there's there's there's positive and there's negative there's good and there's bad but there are real heroes in the world World um Pat Tillman is a perfect example of a guy who is a real hero in my opinion a guy who saw what was going on and said you know what [ __ ] this NFL career I don't need millions of dollars what I need to do is do what's right and I need to fight for my country he goes over there and then when he gets there he experiences chaos and nonsense and he's super vocal about it and completely as is his brother and that's to me a perfect example of that there is no black and white there's there's a lot of There's real heroes there's people that have heroic intent and there's people that have heroic ideals and they really do love and respect the idea of freedom but they get thrust into a situation where everything is completely out of control and chaotic and a guy like Pat Tilman was very vocal about it Y and well spoken very well spoken as is his brother you know it's it's a very intense thing and when you you know people are anti-war and you know it's it's it's kind of it's It's fashionable to be anti-war you know it's it's a thing that a lot of people put on like an outfit they just sort of jump into the sentiment that we shouldn't have a military we shouldn't have War the real problem is human beings are still animals in a lot of a lot of respects a lot of senses and probably nobody knows that more than a guy like you who's been there I war is horrible I hate War I am anti-war I've been antiwar my whole entire life with you know uncles that fought in World War III or in U Vietnam you know grandparents that fought in World War II um but with that position of being anti-war I don't think you should be able to be anti-war unless you understand at a fundamental level how awful and horrible war is not that doesn't mean that you have to go and serve but um it's necessary you know it's um I don't I wouldn't wish you know what I've seen in my life on my worst
enemy you there's no way I'd want the people I hate to have to see you know what a little girl looks like once she's been th had acid throw on her because she tried to go to school I want that want that on my worst enemy but um there's people that do those things you know there's people that go and kidnap 300 girls in school you know this week because they were going to school you know those people don't they have to answer to somebody and the only people they would answer to are guys like me um or guys that are better than me that are still doing it and uh and it's NE NE evil you know you fight fire with fire you fight evil with just a more violent better version of evil which is is that's a crazy way to look at the world but in a a lot of respects there's no other options in in some situations there are no other options unless you let evil overwhelm an area or evil overwhelm a group of innocent people there's almost no options and to deny the existence of evil is completely [ __ ] ridiculous especially if you just look at human history look at human history from recorded times from the beginning when people started writing things down people always did awful [ __ ] if they could get away with it yeah well to get away get away with it for evil to Prevail all it takes is for good men to do nothing right so yes great quote Yeah just have to do something even if it's horrible how long were you over there for I was eight years active duty um Special Forces and now it's been 3 years as a national Guardsman in Special Forces so how old are you now 34 so wow so you were really young so you're you're essentially like you know college age yeah soon as I was in grad school when I enlisted and how old were you then I was 22 wow so you you saw what was going on and you just decided that this was calling you H it was a balance it was like the perfect storm for me for me to go in I was I was kind of this was before we call we'll call it pro I was a pro MMA fighter and I had five fights I was four- one you know I just won this ECC 50 big eight-man tournament you know Jason Miller Dennis Kang myself were all in it and I was the one that won it so like I had good promise um I was a douchebag I was a little idiot you know in St Louis bisbo you know with the
entire the mecca of fighting at the time um like what worrying about what jeans I was going to wear to the next party you know like H I want with my next winning from this fight I'm going to go buy these something stupid did you have jeans that are like already ripped oh yeah absolutely like can I pay way too much for really crappy jeans that looks cool anyways so making a lot of poor decisions and you know 911 happened and it was just one of those instances that's godsend divine intervention maybe where you get this easential perspective of how much of an idiot you are and that's what I had I was like God I am really one of the worst people on the planet um you know not being a productive contributing member to society in any way just being a succubus of life um so I walked down after 911 to the recruiter's office and the problem I wish I could just knock on the door but that wasn't the issue the issue was that there was like a thousand other dudes in lying ahead of me that all wanted to do the same thing and just to give you a testament about how amazing the backbone of our country still is what was that feeling like when you showed up and you see a thousand other people that are wrapping around the supermarket that have the same mentality humbling you know where you're like again I'm still still a little [ __ ] [ __ ] you know um I was like thinking us I'm gonna go enlist you know and I get down there I was like man I should have been here like five hours ago you know and uh instance after in yeah um it was cool it was amazing it was humbling is what it was to see all these dudes ahead of you that um their instant reaction you know it wasn't a little retrospective perspective perspective of like what you're doing in your life it was like [ __ ] this those dudes just flew planes into our buildings I'm going you know that's that's what they were where I was a little bit late so I think just the response is humbling yeah it's it's very tricky because the people that flew the planes are already dead right so it's but the the idea that there's a a faction of the world that's planning things along these lines and it's willing to to go to such extreme lengths when you when you see [ __ ] like that
happen in the world and you see it from a perspective of an outsider versus seeing it from a perspective of someone who's actually there and in the military what what is the difference like what is the feeling like like once you became active duty once you're there what is the difference in your perspective uh you know 911 I think everybody remembers exactly where they were you know I'm no different I remember the the exact place that I was and exactly what I was doing um you know and I I remember my response being anger you know like I wanted to lash out and revenge um I don't have that in that's not in me anymore you I I never respond that way anymore when I see things happen I almost have like this cold calculated response you know like um you know I hear about something happening and I don't want to like go over with a baseball bat and smash a bunch of dude's heads in like I did you know 12 years ago now it's um like when Bin Laden was was killed you know I spent some prime years of my life in mountains of Afghanistan Pakistan looking for that that idiot and um and then Navy Seals go in and get him you know and I was like dang it I missed it you know I was kind of sad I wasn't mad I wasn't angry I didn't want to be there I didn't want to shoot him myself but I was like oh man you didn't want to shoot him yourself um not I would love to have shot him myself but I wasn't mad that I didn't get to which was like my response you know 11 12 years ago just calculated like ah man that whole event was one of the biggest like what do you think really happened conspiracies online when they didn't show the body and they threw it in the ocean and the whole idea that he was going to be a martyr like that was so perplexing to me the whole thing was so completely perplexing to me like why wouldn't you just show his body like can't we can we take a look the whole world wants to see the bad guy yeah when you when you just historically through the course of this war when we've done it on numerous instances um whether was Saddam hanging or Zara in his blown up body you like I um SAS involved with some I wasn't it's it's been very clear the response um by The Fanatic side when they see the body you know maybe that person becomes a a martyr you know and
then he's like idolized for years or maybe it just incites an immediate Riot so yeah it sucks we want to have that Justice feeling of like the the conclusion the you know like the finality of like ah there's Bin Laden he's dead look at that pointy beard of his that's definitely him all right we can sleep at night you know the boogeyman Bin Laden's not under the bed but had they done that the repercussions would have been so much more severe with riots and possibly you know a long-standing martyrdom so I don't know yeah I know what you're saying Shades of Gray like you said it sucks yeah I'm selfish yeah I want to see the dead body yeah and plus I don't totally believe everything they say so you know when you when you talk to high ranking military guys that say that guy's been dead forever he's been dead a long time ago that was another part of the conspiracy guys that were you know in the know was saying I think that guy was dead already there's no way that he's still alive cuz we've probably killed him like 10 times now you know so whether this was the final version of him or the 10th it's irrelevant all versions of Bin Laden are dead yeah he's not Jason he's not going to pop up out of the ocean the 11th time yeah swim to shore tricked you [ __ ] yeah I'm going to start from scratch the idea is uh terrifying to us like fanatical religious fundamentalists that are willing to die is terrifying for a good reason it's one of the worst aspects of human beings is that we can talk people into believe in some completely ridiculous [ __ ] and talk them into believing in so much so that they're willing to kill themselves yeah and we all the other problem with human beings is that once a guy gets that far once a guy once a human man woman whatever is that far gone how do you bring it back you don't I have a friend who has adopted a child and um the kid was uh I think she was probably three when they adopted her and she's about six now and the poor kid's a mess you know and they're really worried they don't know what to she experienced a lot of abuse before they ever got to her and now she's 6 years old and they're just trying to Wrangle her and educate her and give her love give her but they're like godamn if we just got there sooner
that's their idea you're talking about 3 years old you know get some guy who's [ __ ] 30 and he's Allah Waka all day you know bowing and and and ready to be a martyr and it's [ __ ] it's impossible to change the course of that sort of ideology yeah I have no idea how if you you're smart ecstasy mushrooms isolation reprogramming you know some of that my solution was way easier um but infinitely more repercussions yeah well you know what we're all going to live we're all going to die and um you got to pull weeds out of a garden sometimes that's just the reality of the situation it's the idea of equating a human being like a weed is pretty gross but it's just just a bad analogy we're not all flowers I don't think you're a flower no I don't think I'm a flower I'm a vegetable some sort of a I'm an Arty choke I have layers chokes are great I love AR chokes I'm like a pineapple I'm rough on the outside but inside I'm delicious but the core is really hard as well so yes yeah there elements to you deep inside I'm very fibrous once you get it's good metaphor I like it um so you were over there and uh you continued your mixed martial arts training while you were over there as well yeah Special Forces as a whole like there's the expectation that all of us are just good Fighters like we're just born badasses obviously this is not the case right nobody is um so we train you know we shoot all day long and morning and night we fight you know usually PT is um some form of Jiu-Jitsu boxing wrestling kickboxing hand toand combat small arms and then evening is more recreational you know after you get back from the rain show you get up you work out then you go to the range and shoot for you know 3 4 hours go back clean the guns and then your evening is usually on the mat that's Monday through Thursday Friday is you're trying to fix whatever you broke during the week that's the week so do you guys when when they set up training for you whether it's physical u martial arts training or Fitness training is is there instructors who are who set a program for you like how does how does it work so sometimes you you bring in experts you know hoist Gracie came you know and trained us I countless times you know Greg Jackson comes out still um you know guys like uh
um Greg Thompson you know he's a hoist black belt he's there permanently so there there's permanent fixtures at the Special Forces installations that train guys on a daily basis and they have Rel relationships to bring in experts um obviously you know what you do in a house when to blow a door in when you're going inside on kill capture mission is different than you're going to do in the cage so it has to be guys that can adapt whatever they're teaching or know what their limitations are you know Greg Jackson doesn't go in there and and try to teach knife fighting you know he knows what his left and right limits are but he come you know he's one of the best so he comes in and gives gives the best instruction that he can to try to provide tools for for guys to be better at what they do you train a lot down there in Albuquerque I do yeah he's a fascinating guy he is he is a cool cat he's a one-of a kind very unique dude like really humble like really humble like there's a lot of people that pretend to be humble but if you you you Pi away at them you pick away at them and you find some [ __ ] it's just putting on a he humble to a fault to a fault yeah how so um he and Winkle John both I say humble to a fault where um they have um they have all these things to give they are the best that there has ever been on coaching staff they've trained more Champions they have the best stable of Fighters on the planet to argue and they're still training guys you know and this not by Design This is just out of like um almost necessity this scary staff no it's not even scary I don't know um out of a bar Barn Warehouse you know like industrial commercial ghetto building you know like where I can walk out the door and score some meth as fast as I can come inside and get around with Jon Jones you know those are my options front door parking lot get some meth come in it's that bad a neighborhood oh yeah absolutely really yeah all you ever see is the outside you know yeah Jackson Winkle John like oh driving down Central it's like you can count anywhere from four to eight transvestites any given morning and nice variety no yeah um there there's a there's a famous one named Grace she's this beautiful black girl that wears this huge wig and she's like four or
five inches taller than I am and probably 50 lounds bigger than I am who yeah and but it's you know I he bring her in I know she's amazing she's scary bring her in and every corner is like oh there's that drug dealer there's this drug dealer and then you're like wait is that the guy from Breaking Bad no maybe it is is he really selling meth and then the irony is there no that is not the guy from breaking bad but he's really selling meth and he's dressed like the guy from Breaking Bad wow yeah that that is what it's like there Albuquerque's a weird spot it is it's cooky why do they stay it's just cuz the the gyms there and yeah good stab tough guys there I mean I would love it if Mike win John and Greg Jackson you know let's say were in Austin Texas you know or LA or you know San Louis abiso but they're in Albuquerque New Mexico so that's where I go if they're in Idaho that's where I would go but that's where they are so you trained in Austin during your time in between fights yes how do you uh how do you like plan out like like when like how many weeks do you give yourself where you go to Albuquerque I get six weeks six good weeks in Albuquerque um so you know hopefully you'll get 10 week head up heads up to your fight so then I have four weeks to start doing pre-fight Camp develop you like strength speed you know explosion type physical stuff working on specific techniques and then move to Albuquerque for the six weeks for the kind of final fight Camp you trained a great spot in Austin too I was down there um really recently and I met the owner of that facility what's what's that c Don Park and Pa brand yeah great facility amazing yeah really nice guys too yep and um so you do just all your the most in between fight preparation there good group of Fighters out of there as well yep East Side Austin Elite Justin L was my strength and conditioning coach he's like my brother on a whole bunch of different levels he married my sister or my um my wife's sister um we used to go to college together we used to hang out with the same girls together um and then we enlisted together he went to Special Forces he went to seventh group together went to Afghanistan together and then he married my sister-in-law he might be stalking you yeah I know I hope not
because he's like 200 lb like snatches 250 lbs deadlifts 500 lb it would be a bad thing if he was stalking me does is he uh fighting does he do MMA no just trains just trains yeah there's a lot of those dudes that are scary that just train yeah like H please please don't ever get mad at me tear my limbs off and beat Meed to how did you get hooked up with uh Jackson and wikle John when I when I lost the Strikeforce title to jacer um it was it was a really close fight very close fight I thought you won I thought I did too but it was close and I and there were just like small adjustments I needed to make um and adjustments that I that I wasn't making on my own um I needed somebody that was smarter than me to to tell me what those were and how to and how to prepare for them um you know so since then I'm what seven and one since I went there yeah Jackson's an interesting guy um in that he didn't have any professional MMA fights but he's a virtuoso I mean he really is like I've had long conversations with him about strategy and weird [ __ ] about music about how you know he listens to Symphonies and and and compares the rhythm of Symphonies to the the the changing rhythm of a fight yep he looks at everything as strategy whether it's like he's playing leming like the old old school Lemmings you know what is that I don't even know what that is oh it's a video game where you like move Lemmings um to certain portions of the map to try to achieve some stupid engineering goal um it's a very like archaic like 16bit game from like almost Commodore 64 type things where like he still plays stat not often but he's like you know everything has strategy whether it's chess or back gaming you know or if he's like playing um Monopoly with a family you know it's like everything's about strategy know had a conversation with my friend Ari my friend arri shaffir has a podcast called the skeptic tank and Ari is a really smart dude and him and Greg Jackson Greg was his guest and Greg was like picking his brain about the comparisons like he trying to figure out how one crafts a piece of comedy and like tries to attack an audience with it like how you how you get an idea past the boundaries of someone's Consciousness can that be
adaptive you know like when you're talking to this audience you already have kind of the the template of what you're trying to get to them but then your respon their responsiveness you know like can can it change like that's I Envision that exactly something that Greg would do yeah yeah is fascinating to listen to to his his mind because I don't know anybody like him it's a very unique sort of a mindset and then Winkle John who's a a great striking coach was a great kickboxer himself you know he's uh an interesting guy too yeah he's like the yend to the Yang with Greg you know he's he's a linear thinker you know he's um he knows what like what Greg wants you to paint the best version of yourself um Winkle John doesn't have that kind of responsive approach to you he knows what you need to do to be better you know and he says this is what you should do to be better and this is what we're going to drill it relentlessly until you are you know Greg's like all right you like I want to see you develop this let me give you some tools so you can implement this in your fighting style and it's going to be adaptive to every single different athlete that he has who John's like no this is what you need to do and this is how we're going to do it you're like yes sir please don't hurt me you know what eye do I look at what eye do I look at for folks who don't know he lost an eye in training uh someone uh they threw a kick and the toenail uh missed the pad and caught his eyeball which is the first I've ever heard of that happening ever I've heard of guys getting scratched badly in training from sparring but never from holding pads no that's he wors he wears safety glasses every time he holds now you know he can you see anything out of that other eye no definitely not wow no that the the eye like poured out of his face [ __ ] I was like that's that was my eye [ __ ] safy trim your toenails [ __ ] seriously D I get on the mat fingernails and toenails and hygiene like gross no I'm not rolling with you go clean yourself and trim that stuff yeah I got one of the nastiest infections once from a guy peeling my uh hooks off and he had these giant fingernails and like I brought it out to the class I'm like come here folks look at this you can't have
this this is you're going to [ __ ] everybody it's not going to make you better fighter you can't have this I have toenail clippers in my Jiu-Jitsu bag like to Belt headgear mouthpiece toenail clippers and file them [ __ ] too cut them and then there's rough edges file those [ __ ] down yeah when you see guys like about to go into the cage and Herb de would look at their nails and then they like they bite I'm like no this Scrat this is not the time for that you don't bite them down now you should have done that already yeah then you come home and your wife's like why do you have scratches all over you you're like I fight for a living why do you think I scratches on me you know golly yeah that's hilarious why are they on your back because someone was [ __ ] scratching my back all right I didn't want them to the moan scratches no Tim oh more more yeah not good um is there solution for [ __ ] eye pokes yeah change of gloves what what should be done heaven forbid we ever say that anything was done better in Pride yeah their gloves are better they're better right they're better they're curved more they're curved they got like how many guys right now do you see with broken hands a lot like tons of them so we have this padding like on the 2third of our hands right well that's not where we break our hands we break our hands in the metal carpal in the back of the wrist or just above the wrist the bottom of your hand um Pride gloves had padding there which provided support so it's a lot harder to break your hands there also the padding was curved so it was actually actually had to straighten your I'm a Grappler obviously you know like I like to Grapple so as a Grappler I could complain that like I want to have the total use of my extremities you know right no gloves would be better for most Grapplers yeah absolutely you could slide things in better with that said I don't want to get poked in the eye yeah so um The Pride gloves that's how we make them better yeah why we own Pride the UFC owns Pride gloves and just take the word pride off of it and then put those three letters on there bam yeah they brought over some new glove and they're like here's the new glove and I put it on I was like why what the [ __ ] is the difference it's just slightly
curved like these [ __ ] should be like really curved like whereas if you want to do that it's a an effort and when you relax it goes right back to that but the effort is for 15 to 25 minutes like I'm sure my hand is strong enough to go like that when I need it to for 15 to 25 minutes well I mean as as long as you can do it when certain situations like you know you're trying to apply a choke or something but I it's it's very disheartening to me all the people that are having detached retinas and Alan bel's eyes [ __ ] up Bisping yeah bisping's eyes all [ __ ] up at him in the eye when we were I was just like well he's got oil in his eye they inject oil in his eye right yeah yeah and I don't know what he can see out of it or what it looks like I mean I guess it's diminished in some respect it has to be yeah it's a [ __ ] weird and he's had a couple eye surgeries right bisping's had more than one eye surgery it's [ __ ] crazy man CRA I like my eyes I don't want them yeah I need them is it possible to do something where the fingers aren't exposed like chop them off no no no no I'm I'm talking about like a covering like what I was thinking of is like a like a lamb skin sort of a covering something that's not thick but like maybe like a band around the tips where you you don't really do this ever anyway you know do you yeah when do you do that body lock takedown stuff you grab like this no no no but but you do this you still have this would you still have that I don't know I mean do you mostly do this right let's design it okay well I'm saying what I'm for folks who listening there's a thing called the Gable grip and what the way a Gable grip works is picture your hand if you're going to karate chop someone and your fin your thumb was pressed tight against the side of your hand then have your hands like in a cross position where one one sideways and one is uh sitting straight up and then Crush down with your hands with your you with your fingertips that would be what a Gable grip is like and that is the majority of wrestling of grabbing when you when you cinch around the waist that's most of the way you grab the other way would be an S grip which is you would you know make like an like a hook yeah 69 that's it yin and yang if you're more UNC or C and you you grab like that but you never
very rarely do you do this very rarely do you let your fingers intersect with each other so it does they don't have to be free like that and when they're free that's when fingers go in eyeballs you know I thought maybe like maybe there could be some sort of a flexible rounded covering which would eliminate seems like they've had to have tried it you know I don't think they have let's give it a whirl it's it's amazing to me how things just stay stagnant when they're [ __ ] like when they don't they don't make any sense like the these gloves suck the 12 to six elbow God I love those why can't we do those they should be in knees to the yeah were you telling me you can kick someone in the head with your shin but you can't drop an elbow down your head someone has never been kicked in the head with a shin obviously that's the only reason why you would make that we like thank John McCain for this one wasn't it that like that that era it was that era according to John McCarthy who was there when it was all going on John McCarthy famous referee the gold standard love that guy great guy Big John told me that they were having this meeting with the athletic commission and they had seen like k brick breaking demonstrations on ESPN at like 2:00 in the morning like and the boards shatter and everything well they said you can't do that move because that move could kill someone yeah if you can break bricks you can obviously break somebody's neck exactly and just blow there just so that is the real reason why the 12 to6 elbow is illegal but arguably this elbow is stronger definely it's got more more torque to it it's a more natural movement of the body this is an awkward movement in comparison yeah but I mean the do you remember Cobra Kai yes yeah I mean Daniel Sun watched those guys breaking boards yeah it's tough to argue with that kind of logic but that is the logic that literally is complete pure ignorance if you if you asked like mixed martial arts uh competitors trainers Fighters people in the know and as them what should be illegal the 12 to6 elbow is not going to be on that list no we're near it's a fine technique it's a it's a good technique it's excellent as our knees on the ground I think knees on the
ground and it could be you know if if someone wanted to have some sort of a a compromise maybe it would be knees on the ground when you're not pressed up against the cage that could be a possibility you know the idea being that the knees to the head on the ground would be problematic Against the Cage because a guy couldn't move and that was one of the good things about Pride was the ropes if Soccer Kicks and all those things you can kind of scoot your head under the ropes to get away from things you're not you're not contained by your environment to the point you would suffer uh a damaging blow that you could have avoided by your own power yeah I mean outside of like the north south you know 69 position for knees to the head on the ground that's the only position I could think you know like obviously the limitation is you still can't strike to the top of the head or the back of the head with a knee and that under that premise then it doesn't really matter um where you're need somebody from because you can't hurt them any worse than you could in any other way with any other strike from any other position right so yeah and also I don't like this thing the guys are doing where they drop one hand down to avoid being KN in the head and they pick it up and drop it down F like oh let's gameplay this yeah down I'm down I'm down don't need me yeah I'm up well it's it's very very weird it's a just a it's a weird gray area that I think needs to be sat down and then of course there's the scoring system which is adopted from boxing this 10-point must scoring system which is just terrible and the implementation of it is even more terrible because very few 108 rounds get scored yeah I mean rarely there's 10 n rounds that are squeakers right like maybe one of your rounds with jaare might have been a 10 n round and then there's 10 n rounds where a guy just gets [ __ ] Molly whopped dropped two three times and still a 10 nine round like how is that possible it's a terrible system and um I don't know if you ever saw doc Hamilton's scoring system yeah he had a half Point scoring system which is much better way better way better I would want doc Hamilton's and to know what the scores are every round I agree 100% I agree every other [ __ ] game whether it's football basketball everything else I think it
should be that way in boxing too so it would discourage shitty judges from continuing their their shittiness Y and shitty fighters from continuing their shittiness yes you know the only real worry would be that a guy would be so far ahead that he would run in the last round he's up four rounds Jon Jones moving into the fifth round against Glover right right you know he's like all right have this but a guy like John wouldn't do that anyway neither would I you know yeah yeah the great Fighters would still fight the the same and not only that the other guy's going to get more desperate so it would make it even more exciting because he's going to have to and if he doesn't like well are you not trying to win like you know you're not going to win a decision so either you just [ __ ] throw caution to the win and throw yourself in the line of fire or why you fighting move on yeah move on Jon Jones is a [ __ ] phenomenon man that dude as good as he has looked in the past the fight against Glover was just just Sensational it was masterful it it was like it was something to behold I was like he's amazing in the gym he's I mean he's so talented in every respect you know like even I've been doing Jiu-Jitsu for forever and he's good he's really really good and then like standup is a whole different world his wrestling is just out of this world like and then he goes on game day on fight day and he's better he improvises dude it's beautiful yeah when when I asked him um about the elbows in tight like fighting Glover Against the Cage like that I knew I just had a [ __ ] feeling that he was improvising that I was like is this something you planned out I was like no I just felt it he was winding up and I just felt like I could get away with that like I we were in fight camp at the exact same time I fought one week before him and uh he didn't drill those you know like we're watching out for Glover's big overhand right you know obviously we're we're looking for the two big the two three punch combos that he does in entrance is you know watching of course for for Glover's wrestling he's a beast on top um and then you watch the fight and you're like he didn't do that stuff in fight Camp he just fight night started improvising and destroying the still
number two dude on the planet yeah so decisively it's disturbing he also added a new thing to his game that I think you're going to see a lot of people do that's that attacking the shoulder with that loose underhook when a guy has that relaxed underhook and You Yank that arm up I mean he [ __ ] Glover shoulder up in the first round he never really recovered no it changed the whole feeling of what Glover could do offensively from that point forward yeah he he it was mangled and now you know his LA's torn he going have to get surgery yeah yeah it's uh John's done a lot of things that a lot of people Implement now the front leg sidekick to the thigh there was very few people doing that before him no everybody does it he's got to watch the finger pokes though man JN is always doing that thing where he's extending his hands and you know guys trying to move forward they wind up running into his fingers all the time yeah I really do believe I hate finger pokes knees to the groin when guys get tired cage grabbing like don't like it at all so he's a teammate um I really do believe that he doesn't intend to hit them in the eyes he likes controlling range and he has that open hand out you know to try to to set that range and to and responsively um Counterattack and just like you said guys just run into it you know he's not trying to poke him but it's his fault cuz his hands open his his fingers are freaking pointing out there yeah I don't think he's doing it intentionally either but it is an issue it has to change it happened with Guston it happened with Glover you know it's U it's a very it's a very tricky situation because on one hand it's a good tactic it's a good tactic to try to Palm the forehead and you know I mean it's a big one in Muay Thai but in Muay Thai of course you're dealing with a fully enclosed glove yeah I don't know what the [ __ ] they can do but they really need to do something it needs to be a priority PR gloves Pride gloves yeah there it is one yeah man you watch pride and I've been watching a lot of Pride lately because I um at home uh I uh it's [ __ ] awesome it's just the greatest [ __ ] ever you know it's really interesting to watch their evolution of the sport too when you watch Pride you watch like guys and you compare them to the best guys of today you're like wow
this like there's been a big [ __ ] jump a big [ __ ] jump I love Don fry and his mustache R and peace mustache but you he shaved it off my heard that's crazy but like Dawn fry Pride compared to like the light heavyweights now yeah um just the disparity of of skill and Technical level even athleticism and Don was a beast um it's night and day well I was watching vanderlay uh the best of uh vanderlay in Pride uh there was an episode of the best of Pride where it was all vander's fights and you know vanderlay is one of my favorite fighters to watch he's a wild man but you know you compare his skill level to like a guy like Jon Jones they're fighting at the same weight class like that that wouldn't even be a hard fight forn that like a round yeah it would not be it would be you can't touch me and I'm going to keep hitting you and you're going to not know what to do and then either you going to get choked unconscious or or beat the [ __ ] up yeah it's amazing how much of a jump there's been from 93 to 2014 as far as the evolution of martial arts and I say it like it's a line that I keep saying but it's true in those two decades martial arts have evolved more than they have in the last 2,000 years it's incredible absolutely it's the longest time man you know I grew up doing martial arts in the 80s and nobody knew what the [ __ ] worked it was all just guessing you know everybody knew that you know if you were a really good wrestler you could take guys down and if you were a really good boxer you could probably punch better but what would work better karate or Judo what would work better jiujitsu nobody knew nobody [ __ ] knew was just all guessing guys naming new moves every single card like oh what are you going to call this one like how can we progress so quickly where every Saturday night we're like oh here's a new submission yeah you know it's just unbelievable yeah the pervan necktie you know the Tony Dua which you very rarely see I mean CB doway is probably the I think I don't even know if duza's ever pulled it off inside the Octagon but CB doway pulled it off there's a few guys that use that Peruvian neck time and then there's uh there's there's a few chokes that you know you see him once and then you never see him again it's it's it's a fascinating thing where
you're watching all this stuff evolve right right in front of your eyes how do you manage your training when it comes to like working on new techniques adding new things to Your Arsenal and then still just the conditioning the sparring the the the day day-to-day drilling that you have to do like how do you manage stuffing all that stuff in time time management like a good athlete you know I I do things in like ratios percentages of okay I want to develop or give a certain percentage of time to getting better so I'm going to you know let's say I have 10 classes a week um just easy round number in that in those 10 classes you know like I want two or three of them to be exclusively focused on drilling new techniques you know then I want two or three of them to be maintenance of things that I do well and want to continue to do well and this just just grappling like in a in know in a one week 10 class setting and then you know two or three of them are are hard grappling rolling sparring type sessions you know then the other ones like maybe a a floater of I'm teaching or I'm working with just you know a hand handful of black belts trying to create new stuff you know so like it's equally proportionate to um staying good challenging myself physically and developing new technique and learning you know what about recovery like what about um what what do you do stuff recovery it's for [ __ ] yeah it's for the birds what do you do for do you have like a routine as far as like deep tissue massage cryotherapy what do you do I yes to both of those yeah so Austin cryotherapy I'm there is that one of those things you stand in one of those chambers and it's 50 below zero something 300 is that crazy what happens to your dick when you do that that seems to me to be a problem gloved fingers and I take those glove fingers and I cover what is going to be my very small penis in like seconds you know and I make sure I like double hand it so both my hands are like double insulated yeah does anybody go raw dog and just let their dick freeze that would be a cuz if you found out that guy did it you'd probably have to do it too wouldn't you no I would assume that you would be one of those guys and' be like all right I am that dumb it's true like
I am so stupid I'm going did you really are you messing with me [ __ ] it I'm going to do it yeah just do it in a monk position you're only in there for like 3 minutes right um then you get out huge infusion of blood you feel better like what's the pro Eddie Bravo did this uh in preparation for his hoer match which is the first time I'd heard about it like explain it to me and for the lay people at home it's uh your neck is above right your head is exposed yeah so it closes on you like a suntanning bed exactly but you're you're standing up right um they they punch punch liquid nitrogen gas in there so up to about your chin down to like 300° so you're breathing the gas is coming up to your chin and um you know the largest organ in your body is your skin so it's very responsive you know it's it can absorb quickly you like people take drugs that way uh you know you can also it's very um responsive so it it's exposed to 300° the first thing it does is take blood from the extremities and rushes it to the vital life sustaining organs of your body your brain your heart and your lungs so all the blood goes from your extremities to your core and then you get and you're there for like 2 three minutes and super crazy because if you have an injury like a hurt knee or a hurt hand um where you have extra fluid there it gets super cold there because you have more fluid there and more fluid is conductive and it gets colder faster so you can feel these injuries on your body get crazy cold and then you hop Out 3 minutes is up you get out of the get out of the chamber and then your body responds to being in 80 Dees and all the r all the blood rushes back out to the extremity so you get this huge infusion of good healthy blood back out to these injuries and back out to your extremities it's a feels like you just drank like five cups of coffee and you're like amped and uh it's just this weird tingly fantastic um sensation so that's what happens and how does it help you recover by doing that infusion circulation like the in the trying to treat an injury you know you have you have rest ice compression elevation you know when when you're trying to work on recovery without injury you want circulation so you want good healthy blood going to muscles that you've just ftig fued to increase
recovery and response time so like if you just to like simple terms if I went and did like a big Squat and deadlift workout for the day right my legs and back back and butt are going to be sore um you know those extremities lot it's vascular region so go hop in the cryochamber all the blood that's sitting there in that area in my legs and my back and my butt um all rush to my brain and lungs and heart then I get out and all all sorts of great new Fantastic blood goes back to my legs back and butt so I get a great huge infusion of good healthy blood back out to my extremities to increase recovery time because I'm just increasing circulation increasing circulation is increasing recovery wow that's fascinating [ __ ] man it's it's fascinating when you see all these new Innovations when it comes to strength and conditioning and recovery and fitness and that's a that's a unique one man that's that's interesting stuff it's cold though yeah how many days a week do you do that like four wow and they have a place like that in Albuquerque no they don't they have a trailer that sometimes they'll they'll bring out to me in in fight camps um that is that has that in it yeah oh that's nice that is super nice wow so Albuquerque doesn't have that nope Greg Jackson get on the ball [ __ ] come on should have that fantastic y deep tissues great um you know like I I believe like the tenants the foundations of being like a healthy recovering athlete you know like good sleep good food good sex you know like you have to have those and if you're doing those things then your body is going to adapt to whatever the workload of volume that you're putting out so I have a crazy volume like guys that come and train with me they're like this is normal yeah this is normal like this is what I do normally but I just have a very healthy Foundation of a lifestyle you like where I don't really drink I don't ever smoke you know like I train every single day two three times a day like this is my body adaptive to that and then everything else the supporting structure of eating well you know having awesome supplements um you know having everything just to make my body respond properly to training volume is is there so what how do you work your diet out what do you uh do you do you have a nutritionist that you work with do you
do it on your own a little bit all the above you like um I have nutritionists that I bounce stuff off of and like people that are way smarter than me that um and then I'm surrounded with so many other Elite athletes talking to them and their coaches you know the guys on it you know they have a whole they have a stable of guys there that are always looking for the next best thing um or even not the next best thing things there just have been there around for thousands of years that nobody uses like they should so it's it's a constant discussion of like how to improve I know what my calories that I'm burning in a day because I log everything um you know I fought two weeks ago so um I was on crazy strict diet for like 3 4 months to get down to 185 so now I'm back in Austin Texas maybe I'll have a little bit of brisket it's getting in there you know or or you know some tacos so which I think is actually needed you know you should you you can't be perfect all the time your body needs those cheats yeah I agree I think cheat days are important I think people that are just completely clean and strict you're robbing yourself also of enjoyment yeah Life's Too Short not to enjoy it yeah there's some delicious food that should you shouldn't eat all the time but you should eat sometimes definitely right yeah um so do you when you say that you log the amount of calories that you burn how do you calculate that so heart rate monitor right during the workout knows my my resting metabolic rate you know is key you have to know what that is and once you know what that is kind of in between workouts you know caely in a day what you've burnt and then you just add during the workouts you know if I work out two or three times that day you know if I'm doing a 90minut strength and conditioning session you know I'm going to burn anywhere between 12 to 1,600 calories in that session you know from warm up warm up to cool down um you know then a like last night I had a 2hour Jiu-Jitsu s session you know like in it smashed afterwards you know like I know what my kind of what my heart rate was at um during the entire time and two hours you know that's that's going to be another 1,500 calories that I'm putting on top of what I burnt in that day so I get a snapshot that I burnt you know
5,500 to 6,000 calories that's insane yeah that's way more than most people eat in a day yeah it's fun to eat that though how do you stuff that in though I mean how what do you what are you doing Texas just brisket so easy do you uh have any other like nutritional requirements like do you eat gluten do you do you take sugar into your diet at all I try I try not to um definitely fight Camp I don't have EI either of those you know but like right now um you know I had an Apple Fritter bagel on Monday like I hadn't had one of those in I didn't even know how long and it was amazing it it was like a orgasm in my mouth you know I don't even know what that is an apple fritter bagel no not Bagel just an Apple Fritter oh apple fritter dut oh okay so it's like just doughnut with apples gluten and sugar and apples sugar and that that that sort of uh what is that syrupy stuff in with the apples and the cinnamon that's exactly oh that sounds good it was good [ __ ] do you Crispy Cream it do you ever Crispy Cream it no you don't go Crispy Cream no damn dude there's a spot that I go to uh I again regenicin do you know what that is it's a thing that they go uh to Germany for that uh Dr Peter Weller invented it's a blood spinning procceed NFL guys are doing it too yes yeah I've been getting it done I had it done on my neck I had a bulging disc in my neck that was uh impinging on nerves I was getting some numbness in my hand from Jiu-Jitsu went away totally the the thing just shrunk down to nothing but the place where I get it it's right down the street from crispy K cream and I drive I'm like do I want to [ __ ] up what I just fixed just do it inflammation you know apparently inflammation and uh I found out about it from a physical therapist that gluten and inflammation they're like people say oh you know you're not really Gluten Sensitive most people aren't I mean you can eat gluten you'd be fine but the reality is it does cause some inflammation more you eat the more you get yeah that's a fascinating thing that it's a normal part of everybody's diet you wouldn't think that it would have that sort of an effect on your joints or your back or but it really does yeah well especially if you know like they train like we do you know like then then now we're just
compounding problems where we have the enablers to cause inflammation and then we're diet giving something that helps cause it you know now things are just compounded and it's exponential and then we like ah I'm so what about Dairy not much at all some cheeses I just can't live without you know cheeses you're a cheese guy no I mean yes I'm a food guy if it's good I want it yeah you cook right oh God I love to cook what kind of what do you what do you cook um I love everything but I love cooking like real when I say real um it's my food that I shot it's that I cleaned that I froze that I packaged that I brought in from my Greenhouse my backyard you know like my food right right right so I I'm with you a th% I love being connected to what I put in my body yeah there's very few people who have experienced that haven't said that it's something special that when you cook an animal that you actually Hunted shot butchered cut up put in your freezer or eaten in Camp which is even better when you're eating it like a couple hours after it died this is is an amazing connection that you know people will poo poo that like it's not important like you know oh you're just using that as an excuse to go out and shoot animals like man I really wish those FK I would really like to take someone who is who's a meat eater who's anti- hunting and just you need to just experience this just experience this 100% agree I wish every person that ate meat um and ironically like a ton of anti-hunters like eat meat obviously um there's no connection to food these days like people just want to go to the grocery store and pick their stuff off the shelf and have no idea how it got there what was put in there you know but then they judge me because I hunt um but I know exactly where this animal came from you know and like I felt sorry for it when I shot it and I thought it was beautiful and I still do and I'm enjoying every single bite of it but they but they're going to sit there and be like oh man that guy hunts you like I'm a I'm absolute fanatic conservationist uh but I hunt yeah and I love my food and I love good food so they're they're all connected and I think people should wake up and real it's also what we were kind of talking about earlier is that there's a there's
a broad spectrum of things that are going on in this world there's is no black and white when it comes to hunting you can actually love animals and still shoot them and kill them I love them is that it's a crazy thing like people have they find that like impossibly contradictory y but it's not and it's also the other thing that people don't want to admit is that if you do not shoot these animals they're going to continue to [ __ ] they're going to continue to procreate and then how are you going to control the population because you have two options either you can hunt them or you can bring in Wolves yeah so what do you want to do you want wolves wandering around through your [ __ ] neighborhood killing everything that they can get a hold of including dogs including livestock do you want wild panthers what do you what do you want what do you how are you going to control the populations of these animals that don't have natural Predators the the first my experience I was like a prepubescent kid when when Catalina Island off the coast here of C California um somebody accidentally introduced a a hog to Catalina and it mated and boned with maybe one or two other wild hogs that were there that created this feral big ass hog that made a whole bunch of [ __ ] tons of more Hogs and then started destroying the entire Island so they brought in Hunters to ex like get rid of these Hogs that were destroying the the the entire ecosystem of that Island um and that happens on a much more that's the micro example on a tiny little island with a tiny little animal but if you look at the big picture of you know like deer in the South or Hogs from Florida to Texas you know like or the python that was introduced to in the Everglades um they have to be hunted to maintain the balance of Harmony in the ecosystem and uh you know the ecosystem will crash if it's not done uh so you either like you said give a predator and that Predator has serious problems that come along with it or you have the hunter that does it properly and uh and then you have the benefits that come along with it which is a proper ecosystem and you get delicious wild ham look at that yeah I smoked that [ __ ] myself look at that in my backyard shot it and I smoked it and it was the best tasting ham ever wild
pig has a completely different texture it's it's like a we I marinated it or uh brined it rather for seven days before I smoked it but even so it's like it's a more dense meat it's more muscle it's darker it tastes better it's better for you and you [ __ ] have to kill them because there's 50,000 Hogs the place where I go to is uh toone Ranch only an hour and a half outside of and they have elk they have a pond up there that they put a trail camera on just to see what's eating there 16 different Mountain lines oh nothing just 16 different [ __ ] wild murderous cats and it's because there's so many pigs there's so much there's so much game up there you could in in from Texas to Florida you could bring in every hunter in the nation and have them kill 10 pigs a piece and it wouldn't even Dent yeah what's the the the the population of wild hogs in the Southeast have you ever seen um Apocalypse Now no it sounds like the best movie ever it's a show there's a there's a dude uh his name is Brian uh quaka I think is his name and great name qua he's a guy from Texas and he's got a show called Pigman and uh Pigman is is's a hunter in Texas and he hunts wild pigs and then he owns a barbecue place and then serves up wild pig barbecue now he's got a show on one of those like history or something like that it's called Boss Hog and and the show sort of details what he's doing I'm familiar with this him and Ted nent got in helicopters with [ __ ] machine guns and they're flying around with ARs shooting pigs out of the sky I mean it is the craziest [ __ ] thing I've ever seen on TV that's legal now yeah we passed they do it you have to and for folks who don't that's cruel that's horrible they are millions of pigs and they don't care and they not not only that they don't stop [ __ ] they breed all year round it's not like deer that have a rut and then they'll have a fawn no these are animals that are [ __ ] out four or five pigs every four or five months and they just this is uh this is the video of uh them shooting these things from the sky there's actually companies this is the wrong one you what you're showing is there's a pig hunting
video that was a pig hunting promo for the Sportsman's Channel but this is uh they they had a whole episode and in the episode they killed 450 pigs in a [ __ ] 22-minute episodes with commercials yeah but that's like a that's a drop in the ocean yeah to what's there yeah literally it is like taking a shot glass and tossing it into the ocean I mean it's the most ridiculous thing you've ever seen in your life and they're just and they're catching these pigs running head shots where they're tumbling while they're running and there's something bar bar baric and [ __ ] up about it but they're taking that food and they're feeding hungry people they have hunters for the hungry they give the wild pork which is excellent meat they give it to Hungry families and it's really really really delicious food and it's important too but then there's that thing where people are like well that's [ __ ] up man that's not really hunting they're shooting it's well they're not really hunting they're eradicating uh these problematic delicious animals that's the best way to look at it they have to be eradicated and while it might not be the most Humane approach to it um it's it's a necessary one that has to happen and so I don't know like it's a necessary evil a little bit well do you know what's going on in the Hampton you know the Hampton's the luxury area outside of uh long island where all these rich rich folks they have so many deer up there that they're bringing in snipers they're bringing snipers in the middle of the night and the the the town is proposed to give these deer birth control to somehow or another give them food put food out that has birth control in it which by the way the male deer are going to eat too so you're going to make big [ __ ] out of the male deer the male deer going to run around I think I'm [ __ ] pregnant and so why are my nipples swollen natural yeah so you're going to have these male deer that are eating birth control female deer and it's going to cost hundreds of thousands of dollars and it's a direct result of the failure to eradicate these animals or control their population through hunting there's a place in Pennsylvania where uh they have 24 uh 24-hour day 7 day a week hunting 365 days a year you can hunt in
with bows and arrows you can hunt all years around because there are so many deer they like just [ __ ] bring in Hunters and Hunters come in and there there's these huge Estates that have these you know like 10 Acre Properties where there's [ __ ] tree stands these million– dollar houses with [ __ ] putting green corses and dudes and tree stands launching arrows at deers CU they're [ __ ] everywhere they're like tree squir like ground squirrels you ever drive into like a ranch that has ground squirrels and as the car is running you see like thousand of them just run across the road it's incredible like tone Ranch which has 50,000 Hogs it has Rocky Mountain elk gigantic elk they have thousands of deer they have Bears they have Mountain liines they have everything the number one animal mass pound-for-pound is ground squirrels and it's two million 700,000 acre ranch number one is ground squirrels believe it my my dad um and he was a Narcotics officer for 30 years door kicking Superstar um he spents his retired time now shooting ground squirrels is like the most amazing setup of for ground squirrels for ground squirrels but you can't even eat ground squirrels no on the ranch like the the cows will step in their holes and break their legs or um they destroy irrigation uh for for The Vineyards like they're nasty they're disease carrying and they also breed like crazy can't stop them they're cannibals too like you shoot one they'll like drag it into the hole and eat it yeah they're very different from tree squirrel yeah tree squirrels are actually good I've eaten tree squirrel they're delicious squirrel they're pretty they taste good man Steve Rella the guy who's the host of me eater shot a squirrel when we were in Wisconsin and cooked it it was really it's a very unique taste too it doesn't taste like anything else but um ground squirrels man I wouldn't eat one yeah apparently you can't apparently they're just [ __ ] disgusting it's like I mean I guess you could eat it if you were starving to death but another problem is if you shoot them you have to kill them because if you shoot them you wound them they run into their hole and then the other ones eat it y [ __ ] creepy little they're nasty there a lot a lot of creepy little animals out there yep
but this uh I mean the idea that this one ranch with 2,700,000 Acres their largest largest animal mass is ground squirrels well they say that the largest mass of of life on Earth moving life is ants and that there's more pounds of ants uh than there are humans pounds of humans it's incredible yeah and they're like 10,000 times stronger than we are percent ratio yeah I hope they they never get mad at us or they better better not start growing you know if you go back throughout the you know history and you find some of the animals that were just really enormous just a few hundred million years ago and they've someh or another shrunk down to a manageable size yeah like if bees if bees are the size of horses we'd have real problems yeah I love honey yeah Honey's delicious you know vegans don't eat honey that's horrible that's hilarious that's a it's hilarious you show if you ever want to know how [ __ ] being a vegan is you won't eat honey uh I I know they're [ __ ] the moment that they start with I'm a vegan you know well they can't help say it it's like they're holding hot marathons they run marathons yeah it's like the other thing that comes out right away is like I'm a marathoner or I'm a vegan or I eat paleo or I'm a CrossFit that's like nobody can help but tell you those necessary elements of themselves yeah what is that I don't know what it is it's they want to tell you they're awesome that but to me that almost discounts discounts you as being such yeah if you're a vegan and you cannot tell people for a long period of time that's super impressive yeah I'll like you more you know wow you're a vegan and you just it took you two weeks to tell me I'm impressed can I buy you lunch a vegan lunch I get it for people that don't want to be cruel I I totally get the whole sentiment I get I get all of it I get the idea of like wanting to eat freshh vegetables and it's healthy for you I get it but the finite nature of life itself it's just it seems to me it's so silly that you think that somehow or another you not killing animals is somehow going to balance things out or you not being a part of killing animals is going to B they're killing each other do you know that like there's a war going on all the animals
are involved in it including humans we're just so far ahead we forgot it's a war and we have P camps that we set up in cities we call them zoos and that's that is that those they didn't ask to be there we capture those [ __ ] and we put them and they're in these weird things where we don't let them interact with the other animals in the zoo we we blocked them off their own little apartments and you know so we could stare at them while we eat popcorn I'm not sure I agree with that I don't I think that if you should have zoos you should lump all those [ __ ] together and if you run out of monkeys go get more the monkeys the monkeys that survive are going to be the ones that know how to get away from the cats yeah he's a badass oh that monkey I want as a pet yeah that's a monkey knows how to Zig and zag he knows how to Juke you know when the the cats coming he knows how to get to the T the tall branches the monkey that stays in the ground and picks his ass while the Jaguar is slowly creeping up on him that's the monkey that's supposed to die the only we the weird part about the you're like have you ever given a scent to marine biology or the preservation of marine Wildlife no but you're going to boycott SeaWorld how much money have they given in the research and preservation of marine Wildlife oh yeah thousand times more than you it's the same with the zoos you know like I don't like zoos I think it's horrible that the animals are there but they do more in research and understanding wildlife and the preservation of wildlife then almost everyone that goes there and then or doesn't go there and complains about it so it's just like this again Shades of Gray my problem with SeaWorld is very simple those animals are smart they're very smart in fact the cerebral cortex of a dolphin is 40% larger than that of a human being beautiful we don't even understand how smart they are because they can't alter their environment so we don't think of them as being smart because they can't they don't have thumbs they don't pick things up because they can move in 3D all around the ocean they can [ __ ] dive and swim and move around and they have these pods they
stay together they have amilies they have dialects they have languages they're so intelligent that we we we're just now starting to understand that they have variations and the way they speak depending upon what geographic location they're at they're really [ __ ] smart like human type smart and just because they're different from us and they don't build houses doesn't mean they're not smart so to me it's like slavery it's like just because you know well we have donated so much money into slavery research but you you're still [ __ ] slave owners you [ __ ] you know the reason why they need needs to be slavery research I just think that anything smart shouldn't be in captivity but like giraffes they're so stupid you go to the zoo and they seem happy as [ __ ] babies feed them they let babies feed them I have a three-year-old they she holds up lettuce the giraff comes and take it that [ __ ] giraffe's not upset at all they're so confident that giraffes are chill that they let babies feed them you know they are they they are so chill they're just happy there's no Lions no for you to be a giraffe all day you have a giant Target your neck is just this huge Target somebody wants to bite there's not one spot it's not like a warthog that is this little short [ __ ] stubby neck it's tough to get to you have this giant neck like a tree everywhere around it you could bite and kill you I mean they're so happy they're in the zoo they're so happy no they don't know how happy they are they're like wait nothing's eating me and this three-year-olds giving me food okay I think this is good but then there's all there's there's weird when it comes to captivated captive animals like um these hunting camps that they have in Africa it gets again the gray area the weirdness of the world because you know Louis thoro the documentary guy yeah fascinating guy had him on the podcast really really interesting cat I want to watch that one it's a good one one of the best uh documentaries that he did was when he went to Africa and went to these hunting camps they have these high fence hunting camps where they take these animals and they put them in these huge enclosures and they let people hunt them the irony is these animals are there's higher populations they're
healthier there's more of them animals that were on the verge of Extinction are now there's many many many of them but they're hunted yeah so it's like people have this weird sort of like well yeah the animals are healthier the populations are healthier but the reason being is because people can pay to go kill them like whoa but it's just another example of the world not being so clearcut this a lot of weirdness out there yep ironically the like some of the the Rhinos that are left in this world are at those camps they're not being hunted they're being protected they're in these high fence game fence areas where people are coming they'll come look at the Rhino and be like oh wow what a beautiful Ryu Rhino all right let's go shoot a gemes buuck and a kudu how much does it cost you like something they couldn't do 20 years ago because there weren't enough of them but now like oh Limitless Impala well that's a bless Buck oh I'll take one of those that's, not a problem you know like that's what it's like there but they're they saved species by making them available to be paid for yeah it's very strange and Louis Theo's documentary really captured what was his position well his position is you know he's trying to get to it he's trying to get to his position during the whole documentary he's like I guess okay I see but the real position is really clearly established by the guy who runs the hunting camp because he gets angry at Louie at one point in the show like you know three records the way in he goes you don't understand he goes Africa is [ __ ] he goes it's [ __ ] unless something is worth money it's going to [ __ ] die they [ __ ] kill everything it's [ __ ] there's nothing here the reason why these [ __ ] animals are here is because they're worth money that's it that's it do you understand and you know Louis is like I guess I understand that's true it is true it is true and in a sense that sort of mirrors what's going on when it comes to wildlife in America more money has been spent by hunters to conserve Wetlands to preserve wildlife habitat for Elk to preserve areas where deer live and and and to establish uh clear protocols as far as how many animals can Su can be sustained in any given location and keep the populations healthy all that money
comes from Hunters yeah which is just amazing it's just it's another one of those things it's like when you look at at it in like clear objective terms you see that this is a very complex issue and it's not as simple as these animals are beautiful we should not kill them like they are beautiful yeah you have to kill them though but you have to kill them whoa yeah right sucks it's not really they're delicious that's the crazy thing is no not it doesn't really suck they are delicious like [ __ ] man there's so much going on there and again it's just the way the world is the world which is like this iron contrast to the first 10 years of my life where like I didn't think what I was shooting was beautiful cuz they're evil [ __ ] you know so like now as like a a sportsman a hunter like I love these animals and which animals do you think were evil uh terrorists but when you said for your first 10 years of your life you're shooting ter 10 years of my career like as a shooter Oh I thought you were saying as as your life wait so when you're 9 years old you were hunting terorist at n no like at 23 you know I was like no slept very well at night you know cuz these were evil people and now I'm like oh man I don't want to shoot that that's pretty you know that thing's beautiful that all shoot you know cuz that is really yummy and there's too many of them you know yeah I have a buddy who um served and came back and he loves fishing and he had a real hard time getting back into hunting he said uh you know you just you see so Much Death at a certain point in time you don't want to be a part of any totally sympathize yeah he he got back he lives in New Mexico he got back in hunting New Mexico is great for Elk he got back into it after a while but it took him a while it took him a while to just sort of settle in he's just like I saw Too Much Death yeah totally empathetic to that is there ever going to be a time when there's no war is that even possible with human being our not in my lifetime that's a disturbing idea for people because if people have this idea I mean this is this is a it's a shitty analogy but it's one that I use if 20 people can get along if like okay there's five of us in this room or four of us in this room if there's four
people in this room and we can get along can 40 people get along yes 40 people can get along you could have a community of 40 people with no problems and just live from birth to death and everybody you know nobody kills anybody maybe that weird outlier at 40 but you know as a community they they'll absorb him for what he is or whatever yeah but then you get to 4,000 no no someone's going to die Jim's a douche we got to take out gy you know and everybody's going to meet by the campfire and go look this [ __ ] is just ruining our life he doesn't hunt he eats all our food he [ __ ] our women we're not there he he beats our kids we got to kill this guy and there's one there's out of like a certain number there's going to be this one that comes up and then when you deal with s billion bilon it's like whoa how does how does how does that ever become manageable I mean do human beings have to evolve past what we are right now do we have to reach some new stage yeah I hope so too yeah well you would know better than anybody what the horrors of War are so would you think that someone who has experienced that would have a better perspective about what's necessary and what's not necessary when it comes to sort of just managing peace try to yes and no you know there's no like nervonic moment where you have like this clear sight of you know what an understanding of what's necessary and what's not how people should be or how people shouldn't be like if anything you know as six years as a door kicker assaulter and then four years as a Halo sniper guy um I've seen death like from a foot away and from a mile away you know so like there's no range of death I haven't seen so if anything like I value life more I think um I hate War more like I know like I think it's horrible and disgusting but without a doubt I think it's absolutely necessary and and needed to such a level that I can't even imagine what this world would be like had we not been involved to the degree that we've been involved in for the past 12 years trying to eradicate this fanatic group of psychopaths so I don't want to think about what the world would be like but
you know I don't want my my nieces and my nephews or my kids to ever have to do what I did or see what I saw so I don't know like um I hope we never have to invade a country you know I remember we were talking about Syria you're like are we going to go over there I was like God no you know there's no there's no need there's no resource there's no necessary element for us to be involved in but the preservation of human life isn't that needed you know is right I don't well that's one of the reasons why false flags and false flag operations are so disgusting when you find out that someone's lying about the motivation for profit and that there's nothing worse than somebody that lies for the benefit benefit of themselves like Joe I think you're a good-look man you know and I think that dress looks great on you and it makes you look thin that's an okay lie lie sometimes to to tell you know um wait it's your 28th birthday you know that's great to hear you no I'm whatever you know like those those are not self- serving lies lies yeah but when you're lying so that you can put money in your pocket at the expense of human life I hope you burn in hell forever it's a dark lie no it's a very very dark lie it's it's a it's a confusing lie too because it's like wait a minute wait a minute this has actually happened when you find out about the Gulf of tonen or operation Northwoods that there have been these moments in time where people have tried to figure out a way to lie in order to drag people into war war that otherwise the public wouldn't support it's uh it's dark it's dark it's it's a very weird aspect of uh of society that uh that that not only that exists but that's ignored it's ignored and almost brushed under the table when you start talking about war and about policy there's something that people don't want to acknowledge that they that we have been duped by the military-industrial complex in the past and that it is actually standard yeah standard operational procedure they will come up with different ways in order to uh to get people to support war and one of them is the LIE y yeah when when guys come back um the big one is uh PTSD that's that's the the the hardest aspect it seems to to
integrate back into a normal society with normal life and normal jobs and normal just the the things that we all just deal with on a regular basis for some folks it becomes almost unbearable what is the difference between people that integrate smoothly and people that have an incredibly difficult time you know from from that incredibly difficult time to smoothly are all scales you know and the biggest or the the factors are the degrees of coping mechanisms that some that an individual has I have a very strong family you know like an amazing wife fantastic father and mother they're still married amazing brother and sister great like so family unit very supportive um I'm very fit I'm very healthy um I'm well educated I was well trained these are all different mechanisms to deal with stress everybody deals with stress differently but the the foundation of how you deal with stress you have to have these fundamental elements to be able to do it the more of them that you have the more stress you can deal with so a guy like me that was Ranger sniper Green Beret like killed lots of dudes can come back and sleep well at night you know yeah I had to adjust there are things that you know like I had moments where a guy smoking a clove that maybe just ate at an Indian restaurant so I'm having some sensory to like how he smells listening to you know music from that culture that I just spent six you know six months with you know like I'm like I want to shoot this person like that instant reaction but then I'm like okay no everything's okay I'm wow what is that like it's weird I was walking into a Best Buy and this that was an exact example this guy driving a yellow BMW he was smoking a clove and I got this whiff of like Curry and so everything was there like music the look what he was wearing you know um yeah you know I was just like that guy looks like a terrorist uh you know snap judgment like I just got back a couple of days later later and I was like should I shoot this person wow no I'm in fville North Carolina walking into a Best Buy to buy the new Avengers movie no I think it was Iron Man I don't remember what it was but you were an educated guy and you're an intelligent introspective introspective guy for a guy who's not that's very problematic so
those coping mechanisms like how much does that person have you have a national Guardsman that enlisted out of high school him comes from a broken home he's poor you know then he goes he's he he he enlisted to be a truck driver and then his truck gets blown up and they get in a firefight and then he sees death he saw you know the guy that his Navigator just lost an arm dude that guy is scarred for life you know he has no C coping mechanisms to deal and then he comes home and he's broken and he's damaged you know like how how does that person reintegrate into society without all the necessary coping mechanisms man that's hard um when you hear about stories where guys snap and uh there there have been several over the course of uh these two Wars and one of the big ones was uh a decorated guy W up killing a bunch of civilians and it made made a lot of the rounds on these talk shows or people trying to discuss like PTSD and and traumatic events and that this guy was he was having real problems and Reporting having real problems s before all this happened and they kept sending him back over there do you do you relate to that and you try to try to figure it out for yourself like when you see these stories in the news like how do they hit you um I wish I could be empathetic to you know like I've had PTSD nightmares where I wake up in a sweat you know and like I put my my hand through the wall you know my wife's like are you okay you know like that was years ago you know like first came back after you know some bad rough trips um so may maybe I I have some empathy to that but um the Special Forces Unit by Design is very tight and you know like if you're having issues I can go to my team Sergeant or I can go to my senior and bounce things off off of them I get really resentful over people making snap judgments about these guys that are coming back and having issues you know like um oh wait you're a veteran is it safe for my kids to be around you you know like hell yeah they're like the greatest human beings on the planet you know and like one one in a million have not one in aill a very small percentage have serious issues but we have to have our eyes wide open about how to deal with post-traumatic stress and um there's not one easy solution and it's a lot of hard work to get there there not one easy solution there's not
one standard set of experiences that each veteran experiences over there and brings back with them it's all it varies and that's such an important thing that you said about the coping mechanisms that you have in place what what's done to to help veterans when when when they come back as far as like help them strengthen their coping mechanisms help them deal with situations what kind of uh support do they offer you so now you know we've been at War for a long time we have a lot of things in place where you know F FRG the family Readiness group is there for your family so when you're coming back that your family has an understanding of what you've experienced or how to deal with you you know like um you know not hey Saturday you're going to be coaching kidt softball Saturday night you know we have this we're going to Mom and Dad's for you know they're not like overwhelming you with like American life which is normal to everybody else unless you've been in a you know plywood building for 12 months and now you're back surrounded with like thousands of people that you have noidea it's weird um so the military has done a way better job of trying to reintegrate soldiers back into you know normal life but then you have a lot of great organizations that are that are veteran started and these guys really get it you know like um Brian Stan is a great example hire Heroes you know he's involved with getting these guys back to work um veterans Outdoors like a makewi foundation for wounded guys so like if you have a serious physical ailment from you know battle whether it's internal or physical um they'll give you these crazy things just to be like hey things are okay you're still surrounded by friends let's get you reconnected to a community that you're involved with and do something fun at the same time so there's a lot of different ways like the worst thing though is when they start throwing pills at these guys um you know the pharmaceutical approach where it's like all right let's get put you on anti-depressant and like hope for the best there's a lot of that right that was freaking [ __ ] when when you're over there do they try to offer it to you when you're actually in country uh not not like anti-depressants um um
you know there there's pharmaceutical things like to keep you awake longer to make you alert longer what kind of [ __ ] I mean just like you're in Special Force like hey here's you know this well I mean even even some great stuff where like over the- counter things like I wish I had Alpha Brain when I was there like not not plugging intentionally but like that stuff's fantastic you're focused you feel good you're ready to go you know that would have been a thousand times better than you know like hey here here's something the dod just sent down for us to use you know it's it'll keep you awake for 3 Days awesome what what did they give you like I have no idea you don't even know what they were no not really whoa yeah but I know I was awake for three days you know yeah I have friends who went over there and said they just gave them steroids they just they gave them oral steroids well do you know what um I've never done steroids like I swear by all was only true um they were they offered and available yeah you know but we have a special forces guy he's 38 years old um this is his you know six seventh combat tour we're doing two three four hits a night um hits like missions you know we're doing Mission follow-up Mission follow-up Mission we're doing a helicopter you know Landing we're doing a a gaff where we're on a ground assault force and um this guy's broken he's hurt his physically can't keep up he needs it you know and do I want the like do I want the 38-year-old dude next to me that's on steroids or do I want the one that can barely walk cuz everything hurts so bad uh I want the 38-year-old on steroids yeah and that sort of brings up what we were talking about before where it's the the discussion of trt when it comes to uh mixed martial arts training uh testosterone replacement therapy for folks who are yeah for folks who don't know this this debate they're not mixed martial arts fans and there's probably a lot of people listening to this that aren't um for a long time over a year two years whatever it was you were allowed to get prescribed test testosterone and Brennan sha said it best we were discussing it on the podcast he said that there's there's youth and with youth you have elevated hormone levels but you have a lack of
experience you have a lack of knowledge and then as you get older you get wiser you get smarter you have more knowledge but the body just does not respond the way it used to and Eve Edwards was talking to him and he was saying you know man I'm you know he's like 37 now he's like I know so much now but my body just doesn't listen just doesn't doesn't do what it did when I was 20 and I didn't know as much and that this is the Nate I love Eve great guy but there's that nature balance that is sort of stopped in its place with injections of testosterone and then you're introducing this weird element into one of the most dangerous sports competitions the world has ever known mixed martial arts one of the most there's more on the line as far as your emotions your physical body is at risk there's all these and you're sort of you're changing nature you're making it so that these old wise people now are Juiced to the gills and they can train 17 hours a [ __ ] day and it it gets real weird it gets real weird when that's for a while was accepted by athletic commissions yeah the the youth is wasted on the young you know like that expression is like you have now you know I'm 34 I've been doing martial arts for forever I want the body of a 22-year-old with what I know now you know but I can chemically do that you know with through testosterone which is what guys have been able to do for the past couple of years and um it's dangerous you know like in in a if it was golf I wouldn't care you know um if it's baseball and like Sam Sammy Sosa Mark Maguire era I don't really care right but we're in a sport where we're hitting each other in the face and choking each other unconscious um we do not need the advantage of taking the years of experience of doing martial arts for you know 20 some odd years and then giving us bodies of 20-year olds um the physicality the recovery the responsiveness it's it's it's horrible you know but guys have been doing it and now we're at this this this juncture where we're now saying okay it's not okay like you can't have an athletic commission allow you to do it so does that mean that guys are going to do it on the side and and do it orally so they don't because they know when they're going to get tested or now they're not
being monitored so they're just going to do it whenever and however they want like what does that mean it's it's scary it is it's weird because there were a few guys that were on it for several years and they were being very successful while they were on it and then all of a sudden it gets pulled away so what do they do do they try to bring their body up to Natural levels see but that takes time takes a long time you know for like a I don't know let's say a hypothetical 37 year-old that's been on testosterone for four or 5 years and then he can't have it anymore it's going to take that guy a long time if ever to be able to naturally produce testosterone he'll never have the levels that he had when he was on it because the levels he's had when he was on it were 25-year-old's levels yeah and the other thing is the things that you can take to bring your levels back up are also banned things like Clomid and all these different um they estrogen producing or estrogen suppressing devices these all these different chemicals that people do steroid cycle are also illegal yeah so it becomes like that was what um Dennis sver got popped for he got popped for uh one of these uh post steroid cycle um things and now he's on the shelf for nine months because of this yeah people are like wait wait why was that guy he failed a drug test because he's blocking estrogen yeah yeah you have to otherwise you're going to grow breasts after you've been using anabolic steroids and testosterones like you have to yeah when you well see there's there's testosterone replacement like if you went to a doctor and you said you know hey Doc I'm 60 years old uh um I would like to get on some testosterone to have a better quality of life the doctor will give you a slow dose of testosterone slowly ramp you up he's not going to Bam Jack you and turn you into a 20-year-old but what a lot of Fighters are doing is they're taking way more than you would have when you were 20 and what happens is your body goes what the [ __ ] is going on and it grows tits literally your body starts producing massive amounts of estrogen to counteract the massive amounts of testosterone your body gets so confused as to these levels of hormones that are completely Supernatural in your body and under
those conditions under those conditions you develop [ __ ] tits and a lot of guys have had them and you'll see this weird like thing you like you you see this jelly like growing around their nipples and I've seen guys where they bounce up and down in the cage and they're they're they have tits wait it's able to me where people don't understand like we're a pugilistic sport like guys are trying to take every Advantage every shortcut that they possibly can you know like you and I can look at a dude and we like just from the texture of his skin um can now like if he's on a cycle if he's off a cycle if he was on a cycle you like by texture of their skin you mean like zits on the back or acne scarring or um it's possible that that they have that naturally right possible some guys is a sign it is a sign you know and then they have [ __ ] tits another sign another clue you know or like a guy looked One Way 5 years ago when he was 32 and now he's 37 and he looks 10 10,000 times better than he ever has in his whole entire life you talking about VOR Belford no I'm just I'm just giving you example of perhaps another clue okay you know like yes I am just so we're not being unclear about this can you talk about what we were talking about before the show or is that the the offer no no okay so you know he he was the he the scapegoat I think a little bit for trt because it was a bigger problem for the you know for the entire sport where uh he in my opinion just personified a problem and then you know everybody like put pinned everything on him but it was a big problem throughout the whole entire Sports which is performance- enhancing drugs and is it right for a 37y old dude like verer bfor to be on testosterone for 5 years look amazing and fantastic why he's on it and nothing like he did 5 years ago where you know he was struggling you know like winning a fight losing a fight when now now he's like knocking guys out with crazy fight of the night fight of the year like knock out of the night knockout of the Year type stuff um you know you can't have that turn around and then like stop testosterone and two months later he's ready to go now that's chemical you know like that doesn't work that way yeah how does a guy get off of it in that short of a time and then have the ability to compete against it would
seem like it would take like a year to get if ever yeah chemically there's no way around it no there's I I'm I'm not a doctor you know but having been a professional athlete for 13 years I've never seen somebody that was so responsive um you know to testosterone like like he was and then come clean and try to be an athlete like he like they were when they were using performance enhancing drugs afterwards and just like miraculously being as good as they were when they're on it never has never happened I can't I can't think of like a single sport a single Sports men in history where they they got popped they were watched closely and then performed as well after that point you know ever yeah I I completely agree with you that it's so different than baseball and all these other things what I don't like about the baseball uh steroid controversy is that a young kid who's coming up who wants to play baseball almost has to do it in order to compete so when there's a guy like Mark Maguire who's juic to the gills crushing the ball out of the stadium a young guy coming up that wants to be like Mark Maguire most likely unless you have incredible genetics you're just a genetic specimen just a weird freak of nature some you know some some guy was just the extreme mesomorph you're probably not going to ever be able to do that I know yeah that that to me sucks that a young guy has to risk his endocrine system and put it in but there's such a big difference between that and a combat sport yeah yeah I don't know what the solution is it's testing testing right year round testing random testing inight Camp post fight you know like right now um I'm you know fought two weeks ago I'm getting back into training two three times a day like this is when you this is when a guy test them test them yeah you know like and just show up hi yeah Joe Silva is about to throw an off offer you know my way let's say in to fight in 10 weeks he knows he's going to throw an offer my way before he throws the offer my way a guy from the athletic commission and the respective state that I'm going to be fighting in shows up and says hey pee in the cup um that's how you're going to get a fair equal system you know not where you say tell a guy in Brazil hey
you need to come up here and take a drug test and he's like oh yeah man I'll I'll be there in like 4 days yeah you know no dude like athletic commission guy shows up the you know randomly and right there pee in the cup and when you catch someone it can't I think it should be more than nine months and you know I think in this day and age you should let everybody know hey look we're going to cut you you're not going to fight for this organization anymore and let them know and then just say this is the rule this is this is where we're at right now so everyone's been serve notice everyone knows what the repercussions are of this illegal activity that puts people in jeopardy my real concern is medical science is not going to stop medical SEC science and the the the Innovative yeah the technology they constantly not just cheat but just the things that they're going to come up with to to change the human body just restorative capabilities of new advancements and new techniques like you could say that like getting in that cryochamber if you can do that cryochamber and another guy can't do that cryochamber do you have an advantage is it an unfair Advantage you know where do you draw the line should you be able to take creatine well creatine's legal doesn't that increase muscle power and it does it increases your ability to work harder it's like where is the line can you take Tribulus can you take you know uh on its t+ we're having great results with that t+ stuff where guys are showing these 50% increases in in in in rates of lifting and the their the rate of progress over people that are not taking it and double blind Plus sios like what when when do you when does it become legal and when does it become cheating when is it like uh a nice supplement and when is it a performance-enhancing drug yeah I I think one of the big things is what does it do to your body in the long run right you know when when you're using a a a supplement we'll just call them all supplements not we'll just even remove performance an drugs from from U the discussion just a supplement that does in the short term great benefits in the long-term big damage you know when you have WWE stars that are dying at 41 from heart attacks you know and lo and behold they've been doing steroids for 12 years
you know it's it's tragic it's sad but not surprising isn't a lot of those guys it's pain pills yeah those guys are folks who don't respect pro wrestlers you know I know a lot of people think that oh it's all fake it's silly those guys work hard that is hardam their bodies all the time if you watch those guys flying through the air and jumping on each other that's not a free ride they're getting hurt all the time and a huge problem in that world is guys that get hooked on pain pills man well they so they they damage their body you know but then they have a show next Saturday you know they have they like you know McMahon's like no you you got to perform bro that's like you're you're on contract you're going to get paid they're like I can't move my hands right now you like I can't use my fingers like all right well take this you know now everything doesn't hurt and and uh you'll be able to perform because that's what's important yeah it becomes like a thing where there's there's things that you can take that elevate your body's natural production of testosterone and they they can enhance your body's production but what they don't do is introduce synthetic versions of it that shut down your endocrine system what they don't do is give you these hyper human levels that are causing you to grow tits you know there's there's got to be like a comfortable medium between eating healthy having benefits like the cryochamber and all these different things that do enhance recovery but don't put you and your body in danger don't burn you out in the short term you know to to give you like the rest of your life you're you're [ __ ] you know from 35 on your your body is just devastated it's and it's not going to be black and white you know it's not going to be a line drawn in the sand you know that line needs to be able to be moved you know it needs to have you know commissions and medical professionals that can adjust and adapt to what's happening you know with the growth of science you know like there's a reason why we're breaking records at every Olympics we're getting better yeah you know like with the human body how to make it perform better um having people that are smarter than me like figure out where those lines are and move them you know so that you don't
have but that line has to be there you know um it it can be a mobile line that they they move you know from year to year but that line has to be there and when guys step across it um you know there has to be Rec repercussions my concern is what's really going to happen in the future which happens with almost anything that involves human Innovation like if you look back at the cell phones of the 1990s where they had these [ __ ] giant bricks and they'd hold them up to their head and rap videos now you can go anywhere in the world in a third world country in a impoverished neighborhood and people have these really small incredibly complex cell phones that are just these magical devices that allow you to interface with the the entire knowledge base of the world and they're they're everywhere I wonder what's going to happen happen when you have the kind of technology that they're working on right now genetic engineering at a at a a cellular level where they're able to change people I mean I'm sure you're aware of the my stattin Inhibitors like these things that they use with uh well they've demonstrated in whippets these dogs where just because of breeding just uh just a mistake in breeding they've produced these super hypermuscular dogs that have double the muscle and cows as well have you ever seen those images it's incredible right well people are being born just born with it a kid in Germany was born just a genetic mistake or or a benefit to him well they're going to be able to figure that out with a pill or with a shot and your [ __ ] mailman's going to have it your mailman's going to look like the Hulk yeah and when that happens when it's everywhere what is what do we do with athletes you know they the Germans were trying it with e genetics you know like we've done it periodically throughout history the Spartans did it you know they did it at a very what the Spartans do um they'd throw babies that didn't meet their requirements off the cliff yeah this you genetics at a very Primal level it it happens in nature all the time where a mom will be like this Cub is not going to be able to walk I'm leaving it yeah um you know so like that's you genetics that's Survival of the Fittest um now we as super too smart
for our own good sometimes humans can take you genetics and fix it with chemistry that's scary you know where we could just like magically pop out like superum I don't I don't know if I'm ready for that I don't know if anyone's ready for or the implications of what that means morally if we don't get hit by an asteroid or invaded by aliens or blow each other up with nukes it's common yeah they're they're not going to stop there's there's Eggheads that are in Laboratories right now that are constantly working on new [ __ ] and that's what they do and that's what humans do we push the boundaries of innovation we always have it's part of what makes us human it's why we're on a podcast right now talking to a microphone that NE neither you nor I could have ever figured out on our own it's just a part of the program and they're going to figure out something man they're going to inject you with Nanobots or some sort of a a new chemical that allows your body to work like Spider-Man I mean you're going to [ __ ] climb walls you're going to you're going to have incredible balance they're going to figure out a way to stop traumatic brain injury by re-engineering the human mind there's going to be a lot of crazy [ __ ] it might not be in our lifetimes but our K our children's children for sure are going to experience human beings that no one has ever experienced in the the entire history of the of the world itself yeah it's coming it's coming by human Innovation it's going to Leap Frog Evolution I'm not sure I want to like I'm going to kind of sad that I'm going to miss it maybe you know cuz like I want to reap the benefits of it but then at the flip T you know like I don't want to have to deal with uh the you know the implications of that I'm sad that I'm going to miss it too or we might not miss it we might just Catch the Wave but also I'm glad that I saw the world before a lot of [ __ ] was there like my kids are going to grow up in a world I have a 17-year-old and she doesn't have any idea what life was like before the internet she has no idea the internet's always been there if she has a question oh there's the answer I I grew up I was [ __ ] when I was her age and I I put it in her head every day I go let me
tell you if you met me if I was 17 and you were 17 you would think oh my God this is the dumbest [ __ ] guy that's ever walked the face of the Earth and he thinks he's so smart I was an idiot I I I knew how to throw kicks and I I I knew which Stephen King books I liked that's it I knew the right combination of words to say to get a girl to [ __ ] me sometimes that's it that's all I knew I was a [ __ ] like what a 17-year-old knows today as opposed to what they knew when I was now the future is going to be even crazier than that but at least I got a perspective I got to see what it was like to grow up where you didn't know if you called someone and they weren't home they just weren't [ __ ] home you know I remember when answer machines were invented where people were like holy [ __ ] you get on the internet and you hear this and it was slow as [ __ ] and if you wanted to see a picture of something it would be like click click click click click click and maybe it was click click click black white and green variations of those three yeah well I remember when internet searches first came about too when you you would first find I got a great story there was uh we don't even need to say the name of the organization but a buddy of mine uh used to be co-owner of a small mixed martial arts organization and this was in the late 90s and they were just starting to uh promote Fighters through the internet and they were just starting to do bios where they would research a guy through the internet well they research this guy and they find out that a guy with the exact same name won something called the hungriest butt contest oh no so their uh their Gladiator their heavyweight they Adonis 6'4 shredded man with his Penthouse Pet girlfriend you know that he would parade around at all these events also had done gay porn yeah and so uh they pull down the picture they they've download some pictures and my friend describes is like you see click click click click click click you know those those pictures would slowly show up on a 56k modem it would like you would get the top of it and it would slowly start to pan down and as it pans down well that looks like his hair click click click that looks like it could be his forehead click
click well that's his eyes click click click that's a dick in his mouth oh my God and there's a dick in his ass oh my God and there's two guys using him like Chinese finger handcuffs and they're like whoa and so this dude had no idea that that was even possible to internet he'd used the same name yeah you know he just figured ah no one was going to look that up but homos you know and then they did yeah well they also said you know he needed a lot of money and they they they gave him some money so he did it once turn out he did like a 100 films you know it was a lot he did a lot how good could it be the joke is I would say you know if what is a lot of money mean to you a lot of money to me means I do one gay porno and I live like in a Jay-Z video for the rest of my life you know I'm in my underwear with two bottles of cryistal on a yacht with a th000 models forever that's if he did 100 porns he should have all the money on the planet by my calculations yeah there's no one richer ever anywhere [ __ ] isan [ __ ] everyone who's ever lived who's got who's got money that guy would have all the money every country would be bankrupt and this guy's bank account would have all the cash yeah yeah but the the thing is it's just like no one knew before that that an internet search was a possibility and think about how many people that have done things that just had no idea well you're going to be able to find that out like how could and now and find it out on your phone just Y and be able to access the person that said content is about yeah like no never in our history in Mankind's existence have we been able to connect so effortlessly to so many different people yeah you know like like a fan that doesn't like me you know can just get on Twitter and like tell me that I'm a baby killer like just because you know or they can do anything anytime anywhere and they can they you know like can find out anything about anybody and then probably reach that person especially a fighter or someone who's got a social media account or a pres who doesn't have a social media account you know like there's a few folks that I know that just avoid it all together but they don't have to do it there 350 million people here like almost all of them like 300 and Mexicans got to count
Mexicans is probably another 50 million at least I don't who knows how many not I love Mexicans don't get me wrong but there's a lot of them that aren't taking the census um how often do you get [ __ ] with on social media oh all the time all the time yeah I I I guess I'm like a polarizing figure I don't know how like I think I'm kind of a likable guy but some for some reason people people have a problem with strength people have a problem with confidence people have a problem with with folks that uh have strong opinions or controversial opinions and instead lot of those well you know you should I think anybody who's paying attention to the world and sees all the contradictory information that we're re ceing sees the chaos sees just sees how [ __ ] our political system is our financial system if you don't have strong opinions if you don't have controversial opinions you're you're not paying attention open your eyes yeah you know I mean I can't tell you how many just conversations I've had about gun control just about guns itself I'm like godamn guns aren't the problem it's people that use guns that are the problem you leave a g you know that that that old adage guns don't kill people people kill people and people will [ __ ] argue that to the end of time godamn it it's true every time you go to the gas station you got a store in that gas station that sells lighters you got fluid that comes out of a pump and anyone can just light people on fire I mean it's it anyone can do it it hasn't happened that often but anyone can do it or just take your car and turn two degrees to the right and run down the sidewalk yeah the the option to kill is always there it's always there it's a choice you know and they're like but it's it's a tool it's a mechanism that serves no other purpose you know a car can get you from point A to point B so why do they need a gun with if the only thing it does is is kill you know like I could say the say same thing about a tractor if I wanted to you like if I wanted to make a killer tractor the only thing that's designed for is to kill because I put spikes on its Wheels you know and it it's not doesn't excavate anything besides human Souls yeah but no it's it's the choice to kill you know it's like get over it people kill it it
is it is a way that they can do it easily and that is an issue but it's also why does a person have the ability to do that and how come so little effort and so little emphasis is on what causes a person to be able to disconnect or to be able to have so much hate and anger in their heart that they can kill a bunch of school children that they can use a gun to shoot up a mall like why isn't that the subject of discussion and why is it always the tool for madness it's not the madness itself it's the tool of Madness but that same tool could be used by anyone else to do a million other things it's like it's a bad analogy but it's one that I always use with marijuana people go oh you could ruin your life if you smoke pot but you could you could also take a hammer and hit yourself in the dick you know should should we make hammers illegal because you because a hammer is just a tool if you take marijuana and just enjoy it and you don't hurt anybody should that person be penalized because someone decided to just wake and bake every day and then [ __ ] go into debt and wind up it's humans are the problem and and and and human weakness and a lack of character and all sorts of chemical imbalances or the culture and the structure around the person that led them to subsequently make these horrific decisions and actions you know that they use whatever tool don't care what it is gun knife everything up to that point is what we should the emphasis of trying to understand or prevent um and acknowledge and research should be done not take away you know whatever it was that was the end conclusion it's all the things up to that point that's that are important that nobody pays attention to nobody cares about that's what's ridiculous about stupid any sort of control gun control knife control bow and arrow control debate it's not that it's what constitutes what what makes a human being capable of horrific things and I think you're uniquely qualified for a bunch of reasons one because you have a family you know what it's like to raise a person and two you've seen the consequences of human beings when they're in this environment that is totally [ __ ] from from the jump and you see these religious Fanatics and you see fundamentalism you see chaos and a
land that's just just overrun with it you see it's it's humans it's the development of humans in error the develop erroneously like the development of human the wrong way there's the right way and there's a not not there's the right way there's about a billion right ways and then there's a couple of wrong ways you know and the couple of wrong ways end up with bad products and it's again it's a sort of contradictory thing that through through combat and through you know especially through martial arts I I think the the deepest Bond of commitment that I've ever experienced outside of my family is the friends I've trained with and people that I've competed with that that that have just you see them you know who the [ __ ] they are when you see a guy breaking training when you see a guy you know with 30 seconds to go in the round put his hands down on his knees and and and just take deep breaths and step away and then you see the coach go get back in there and you see him suck it up and you know there's the guys who suck it up and there's guys who don't and you see the difference you see who they are you see their soul you see and you learn about people that way in a way that a lot of folks don't ever get a chance to learn even about themselves the refiner fire the refiner fire is like this beautiful thing you know it's what say that again refiner fire refiner fire yeah it's like you know get you take a metal refineries yeah right okay like when you're making a sword you know the the folding process of heating it up and pounding out the impurities and folding it again and pounding out the impur impurities like the hotter the fire the more bad stuff gets cooked out um that's the same with people you know you put them in a room that's hot put him in a ghee that's hot um around a whole bunch of other dudes that are like trying to choke each other out and kill you get glimpses of the depth and hardness of somebody's character and soul and these awesome snapshots um and even kids like down the youngest level putting them into competitions of martial arts you see the exact same thing you see the development of this character and of somebody's Soul as they get tougher and deeper you know as at a human and and you get in in these snapshots you get a clear glimpse
of who that person is what's what's what's part of them you're like it's it's gorgeous CR Grace he said it best he said uh you know uh I I I reserve judgment until I've trained with you yeah you know he said I think you know me you know you seem like a nice guy but I reserve judgment until I've trained with you which is such a great way to to put it and you know a lot of people think I don't want to [ __ ] train you you don't have to it's not that it's just you should in your life do something difficult if it is not martial arts maybe it's mountain climbing maybe it's hiking maybe it's mud runs anything it doesn't matter do something that's hard to do maybe it's write a book find out what your [ __ ] barriers are because the most reprehensible thing the thing that we all pretty much universally despise is a spoiled rich kid a spoiled Kid that never had to work for anything they were handed it their whole life their parents never gave them values and what did they do they grew up yelling at servants and then they they become some rich [ __ ] that's a sociopath I mean that is the that's that's a key character in so many movies that's in so many books literature we we all can relate to that person who didn't earn it who got that place without hard work and how gross they are I hate that [ __ ] Dam [ __ ] everybody does you're supposed to you're supposed to they're not supposed to be there it's not supposed to happen you're not supposed to win the lottery like that that [ __ ] you up but the really remarkable ones that are the ones that could or have access to all of that and then choose not to or on the total flip side the guys that have access to none of that and challenge themselves and put themselves through hardships the the Aldos you know that like they have nothing and just through hard work determination they become something you know like th those are two complete Polar Opposites of a human that I'm just like I adore you know like guys that you know in the military you see these guys like you're like this Ivy League Super Rich you're enlisted why are you here you know you could have done anything they're like I wanted to be here like I love you you're amazing you know and then then the flip side you know the the Puerto Rican that his
parents swam over here or on some horrible boat and um you they one generation removed and they've like they put themselves through college or maybe they join the military so they could go to college and and they're at the ex this exact same point of their life as this rich yepy guy that are just there because they want to see how hard they how far they can push themselves yeah human beings are just we are just a mass of potential and it's awesome to see someone rise through adversity and reach a potential that elevates us all because when you see someone reach their potential or reach a very high level of of of anything it changes the way you look at what's possible when you see a guy who gets up at 6:00 in the morning the alarm clock goes off and he just [ __ ] hits those Hills and starts running and he does it every morning before work you go [ __ ] I'm a [ __ ] I'm just a weak [ __ ] I don't do that [ __ ] and then it changes your perspective you want to do that too you want to absorb a little bit of that guy's strength and that feeling that you get from being around that guy it's empowering or you're one of those guys that diminishes that and tries to squash it because you're insecure and you want to you want to tweet Tim Kennedy you [ __ ] [ __ ] and [ __ ] you and [ __ ] the military man you know there's there's folks like that too I think that strength is the the best antidote for a lot of the weaknesses that we find in our society that we consider to be strength like bullies people say like what's the best solution to bullies teach them how to fight teach them all how to fight everyone I think that is a a core problem with men men have a giant fear hanging over their head all day long and that is being dominated by other men you know I mean is what led me to martial arts 100% was I was scared of dudes kicking my ass so I got into martial arts as a very young kid because of that and I think that the more kids if we had programs in school where we taught martial arts to kids in class you would have so few instances of bullying I think the dramatic decrease in bullying and the respect that people have for each other would change the respect that people have for themselves like a bully can not respect themselves they just can't unless there's some sort of a
complete sociopath you're not you're you're not going to be happy with yourself if you pick on someone smaller than you you doing it because you're insecure but if you weren't insecure or you were less insecure or you had some sort of sense of personal sovereignty because of training you would have less of of of this this inclination to do something shitty to someone like that yeah it'd be cool to see [ __ ] yeah man I think martial arts program should be mandatory in school just like they have PE mandatory for for boys especially martial arts should be mandatory yeah you want to you want you want to see you want to see your kid have discipline Focus understanding of right and wrong um a little bit of confidence restraint put in martial arts you know like that's you know you did she didn't get beat up I I did it because um I was second born I was a crazy middle kid you know my dad's like at a very early age like you are going to be doing martial arts you know and uh so like I was like nine I remember saying say a bad word on the mat and having you know my my Sensei come up with an screaming stick and hit me in the back of the head like I'm I messed up and doing something he's like ah and then I said a bad word when I messed up and then pow you know like I didn't say that bad word again and but more importantly I was able to control myself which was the element the necessary element that I needed and then also this the great feeling of accomplishment that you get when you learn that you can control yourself when you feel yourself improving you feel your character improving and you you have a difficult situation and you navigate it successfully and you go oh I'm a better person now than I was when I was whatever when I was young and stupid and that's just one of those things where everybody wants to be comfortable everybody wants to look towards their golden age and everybody wants to retire and sit on the couch and put your feet up that's horseshit that's not you you you only you only can experience that and enjoy it if you've earned it no one wants to earn it earning it is the most important part of your life individual responsibility nobody has it you got to earn it you got to work for it you got to you
know and it's so much better when you do yes well that's why I think guys like you are important man I think you set a great example on that I think you set a great example with your words I think you set a great example with your actions it's one of the reasons why I been wanting to talk to you on the podcast you're very inspirational guy in my opinion I think you what you the way you talk about things and the way you express yourself it's it's admirable and I think it it helps people it it it sets a very high standard and I think setting a high standard is one of the key things that young men and young I'm sure young women as well need in life they need to see a high standard I'm not perfect you know like I make mistakes probably way too much or more often than I'd like to admit but like I'm always searching and seeking to get better you know like and I I think that's something that I always try to project um you know and the only way to get there is is like you've just said it's it's through hard work it's through determination it's you know it's it's through the amazing innate part of the human being which is the ability to do you know and to not quit and to have the inner strength to try to achieve and surpass whatever it was before and there's Beauty and imperfection you know this idea that you're going to be this enlightened qu Chang Kang character like in the TV show you got to take a leak go ahead head on I saw you drinking that gigantic Smart Water there's dudes who have bladders like mine who could just power through a 3-hour podcast and then there's guys like Tim Kennedy you know it's cool it's like you know we all learn we just we show we show that there's there's higher levels my [ __ ] bladder bro it's like a duffel bag that you can carry guns in it's large and it's durable and it gets dirty and filled with liquid but don't worry about it I can hang in there um what I was saying to Tim that's important is it's I think everybody has this idea that there's some guy out there that's like Jet Lee that's like a perfect person some some character there's the beauty really is in the imperfection the beauty is in knowing that we're all just these weird flawed creatures that are trying to figure out it's not even that we're flawed it's just that we're we're dealing with an impossible amount of
variables that we're constantly navigating and this idea that you should have gotten it right it's not what it is it's the idea is that you you learn from what you get wrong and then that thing you don't do the same way next time you say you know what I made a mistake the last time I was in a similar situation now I know that and so now I'm going to power through with the knowledge that I've accumulated in my life from my past mistakes that's a that's a huge Factor about being a person a huge factor is that we're all learning from each other and uh I said a lot of cool [ __ ] when you were gone that is uh that but learning and learning from each other is the whole reason why it's great to have inspirational people to draw from and I think that now there's never been a time like this where you could just go on YouTube and you could be inspired for 24 hours a day 7 days a week you could watch videos of guys pushing through things guys are doing [ __ ] 100 mile of ultramarathons and just seeing people talk about their the things that Inspire them and what pushes them there's never been a time like this we just inspiration is available everywhere you look in a whole bunch of different like not everybody's inspired the same way you know like I think it's amazing to see a guy that has nothing do something remarkable to come you know not the under dog but that that has no resources that then all you like um there's this guy in Austin Texas um his he runs this running group called The Gilbert gazelle's and um the hu when the the genocide was occurring he has these burns on his body because his family was murdered and he was piled into this pile of bodies and set on fire and um once the militias um ran left from the hu and Tut's he got up and started running then he went to NCAA and started running there and then he went to the Olympics and now he runs he's an inspirational dude in Austin that just tells people to run and he's one of the most remarkable human beings and there's there's tons of people out there that are so amazing and remarkable and you can if you just look you can find them and then then I I love latching on to people like that and just trying to get
into what's in there and try to not I don't want to say steal it but I want some of that well you don't steal it cuz they still have it oh they always have it but yeah but you absorb some of it yeah it's very important we we we surround ourselves with inspirational people and we become inspired surround yourself with negative [ __ ] and your life is going to be a wreck and that's a lot of people don't realize that and they just try to work through these negative [ __ ] in their life you got to cut them off man you got to cut them off and keep moving because they will hold you back there are crabs in that bucket and when you try to reach the top of that bucket they will latch a hold of your little crab legs and drag you down with them my dad was so you know retrospectively my dad was so wise when he's like no you don't want those guys around you you know you're going to be who you surround yourself with you know I was like whatever that guy is so cool I want to hang with that guy you know and now I'm like God dang it it's hard how did he know so early there's always going to be people that will but those people are also important because you you learn you know you learn from watching them [ __ ] their lives up I've never done cocaine and one of the reasons why I never did cocaine is cuz I grew up with a buddy of mine who's cousin was selling cocaine and I watched this guy fall apart him and his girlfriend would just do blow and they would hide out in their place and they would they they had this attic apartment and they would just [ __ ] watch TV all day and they would shrink like their [ __ ] face was shrinking their body was shrinking all they would do is do Coke I don't even know if they ate you know and I watched this guy it was like a guy who got bit by a vampire and became like this disease thing and I like whoa keep the [ __ ] away from Coke you know and I didn't have to to do Coke and go to rehab and pull myself out you know I you know I lived 40 plus years of my life with no desire to do Coke [ __ ] that and so it's not always good you need losers you know losers are there too for a reason it's that the whole world was filled with inspirational winners like how would you figure out where Where Do We Begin if everybody's a [ __ ] winner no you got to see people
who ring that Bell right you got to see people who tap out quick you got to see a guy who Taps before the choke is even sunk in like what are you doing or types to Taps to strikes well you know sometimes you know GSP versus Matt Sarah sometimes it's good to tap to strikes cuz the [ __ ] fight's over you know you're not going anywhere when the guy's on top of you dropping bombs and you're starting to see Sparks and the elevator doors closing do you think tapping the strikes is a bad idea I don't know if I have it in me I don't know like right I'm not saying it's a bad idea maybe I I should respect the guy that's smarter than I am you know like I'm kind of like an Oak I'm big I'm strong and I'm dumb you know like I'm just I'm going to grow and I'm going to do what I do um maybe I wish I was smart enough to tap to strikes I don't think I am I just don't I don't think I have it in me to be like okay I'm not going to get out of here I'm just going to quit h i don't think there's a problem with tapping and Strikes but I respect your Viewpoint I know what you're saying and I think you probably have to have that sort of mentality to be an elite level competitor in something like MMA where that's not even an option in your head yeah there's guys who don't tap you know look at [ __ ] War Machine he just gets choked out there's a lot of guys that just say I will never tap I will go out I'll get my arm broken [ __ ] it I'm not tapping it's not in there yeah it's not look at Jon Jones we fought vtor his arm was completely hyperextended would not tap let it got let it get completely popped backwards and then won the fight anyway mhm the before you go to special force selection there's this phase for guys off the street called sopy special operations preparation course the only thing that is is an at tritter they take like 400 dudes and they end up sending 80 80 of them to selection the other 320 at some point either got broke or quit um I remember seeing the gong that you go up and and hit and it's like so longingly looking at that thing being like that's the smart thing to do like you know you have blisters in your feet that you've injected stuff into so that you can't so like your skin like glues back to what portion it separated itself
from you know like you've lost 20 lbs in the course of 30 days and um and you're looking at that gong and you're like a smart person would go and hit that gong you know and I watch guys go up and do it and I was like that's that's a smart person probably I just didn't have it in me so um maybe I'm dumb I think that's my take I'm either like like too dumb you know like there's a balance there and I think we're kind of agreeing each other from with each other from different perspectives well I think that you're you're being self-deprecating when you're calling yourself dumb it's not a dumb thing but if you wanted to be smart about the amount of punishment that you endure yeah but if you wanted to build the highest level of character and durability and mental toughness possible then it would be dumb to hit that gong yeah I don't know because the benefits of not hitting that gong is what what you are today I would have got a cup coffee and and a hot breakfast but you didn't get a cup coffee today and and and have the knowledge that you didn't hit that gong It's a good-looking gong you know I could go back I might you're a thick guy for 185 lbs like you're you're built in a very you're very muscular weight class is the word my wife uses what do you what do you walk around at before you start your cut to like day of cut no like what like if you if you had a fight that was four months from now and you don't have to worry about your weight what are you going to weigh 220 2 20 wow and did you fight light heavyweight at all yeah I um I think it fought WC as heavyweight IFL as a light heavyweight middleweight and then I've stayed at middleweight for a while so when you if you're walking around in the 200s how do you navigate a weight cut to get down to 185 pounds because that is a big issue in MMA is that point of diminishing returns where some guys like Anthony Rumble Johnson's perfect example God he's good at 205 Jesus Christ the kid was so [ __ ] big in between fights I would see him walking around he was fighting at 170 fought Kevin Burns and I saw him like two months later he was 2:30 I go what the [ __ ] are you eating he's a house he was bigger than Fedor I mean he was just he was on inside MMA with Fedor and he was towering over him wider thicker you're
like what is going on and then finally he gets his [ __ ] together decides to come back as a light heavyweight and dominates pH Davis at 5 and you're like okay this kid like was obviously past the point of diminishing returns he was he was diminishing his own ability perform by cutting so much weight what is that number it's I think it's different for every athlete in person you know and um you know when I'm when I'm 215 220 I feel like I'm a juggernaut I never have training related injuries you know like I I'm running an extra 3 4% body fat I'm just like all around healthier my brain's working right you know like my libido is good you know I'm sleeping very soundly all eight hours you know like things everything's great you know like when I'm down to like that that 195 193 precut type weight you know we like that 5% body fat um my brain's not firing on all cylinders you know like it's libido's rough you're training three four times a day like just things suck um you know everything hurts you get down to 5% body fat when you're like 195 yeah that are you doing how are you measuring it um pinch tense water stuff the water tanks and and then um the calipers that's a lot that's really low yeah like and then you're going to cut another 10 pounds on top of just water right 10 pounds of water yeah I think my final Cuts usually like eight pounds of but you know your B like my body doesn't I don't think it even recognizes like I'll I'll cut I thought um Michael bisbing I was probably 205 when I fought him you know I weighed in at 19 or 186 the day before you know and then 30 hours later you know I've been eating and drinking and feeling fantastic do you IV you recoup for the how many bags do you use 1500 milliliters to 2,000 milliliters like the gringer um I I honestly don't know Fighters that don't right and nowadays yeah pretty much everybody does unless you're like a Frankie Edgar that W literally weighs in at what he fights at May weight in his pocket yeah Frankie fought at 155 and weighed 155 Leota Mach fought at 203 for the longest time and you know weighed in at 203 for a 205lb weight class but look how good he is at 185 yeah better much better you know so the diminish returns like it's different for everybody um you know I'm 5'11 you know I have a 73-inch reach there's no way
that I can hang with the 205s you know that have 86 in reaches you know that are 6'4 um um yeah I might be as strong as they are um but I'm like a like as Brian Stan calls me like a squat little hobbit angry Hobbit um sometimes troll endearingly he refers to me as these things but um he's right and I I just can't reach him you know like Jon Jones can runs around the cage you know and Jabs me to death and then when I try to like athletically explode in then he violates me with something painful yeah do you ever think about going 170 is that possible definitely possible yeah yeah we've um I mean honestly had Robbie Lawler beat Johnny Hendricks um I was I would cut to fight Robbie really because you beat Robbie in Strike Force yeah do you um you when you walk around a 205 or 220 rather is it because you're lifting a lot of Weights is because you're doing a lot of yeah yes um I like I treat the annual cycle of like fight Camp post fight camp pre-fight Camp fight Camp fight and um kind of if you look at like a like an NFL player you know they have the preseason where they're they're trying to get their body strong and healthy so that when they go into um the season they have everything that they need to to perform during that season um so like my pre-fight camp like right now where I'm lifting a lot of Weights doing a high volume of work where I'm working on you like my my sparring stuff now is a lot more drill oriented I'm not burning tons of calories grappling or boxing or sparring kickboxing um I'm lifting a lot of Weights so my body is responsively like getting healthy big and strong again I'm getting my technique better so that when I move into that fight Camp I I have this mold of clay that's totally healthy that can be shaped into what needs to be shaped to be executed for for a particular fight so when you think about like 220 and a guy like Rumble Johnson who used to weigh somewhere around that even heavier and get down to 170 crazy talk if you were going to get down to 170 if Robbie Lawler beat Johnny Hendricks how would you do that would you cut out the weightlifting and start doing like Marathon running like what would you do to get yourself leaner yeah um would it be leaner or would it be like less muscle a little bit of both
you know I I definitely have to lose a little bit of muscle to be able to and how would you do that by not lifting like just changing the the type of lifting that I'm doing you know like I'm I'm not doing those three rep Maxes of dead lift at you know four or 500 lounds is that what you do these days yeah like right now yeah absolutely and I'm loving it you know I was like I did shrugs yesterday just shrugs well not not just shrugs but like I got to do shrugs you know I was like I was asking my strength though I'm like can we do some curls you know he's like shut your mouth you know I was like you like straps that you bars never allowed to touch those and I was like looking at those be like how about I use some straps that looks grab the bar and do some more weight you know he's like no now you like The Point of Departure has come and he's like come back to me Tim we're not doing curls I'll let you do shrugs but that's all you know like so straps being you don't do straps because you only want to lift what your hands can hold up yeah what's what's the point yeah I don't ever use straps I I I see people using straps and I I get it I get what my ego wants to use straps functionally though right it should be whatever you could carry with your hands too especially for a Grappler right absolutely yeah so you would just start doing like High Reps doing yeah high volume a lot more speed like I I think I'd have to be faster to at 170 you know like watching these guys they're just like all over the place MH um you see like Daman Maya when he dropped down to 170 and you know fought Rick's story and you see like the difference in the just the the amount of physical strength that he had over a guy who is used to fighting at 170 it's a big leap yeah do you think there should be more weight classes yeah I do too yeah I think that like 185 to 205 Jesus [ __ ] Christ that's 20 pounds there should be three champions in between those weight classes or at least two yeah I mean if you look at a guy from I'll go all the way down from like 155 to 20 5 you know you have 55 70 85 you have four weight classes from 155 to 205 mhm that's crazy yeah yeah I agree I think it's crazy and I think that you know a lot of people say that boxing is watered down by all the weight classes I think it's watered down by all the
titles but I don't think there's anything wrong with having a welterweight class at 147 and then a junior middleweight at 154 and then a middleweight at 160 the 6 PBS between 154 and 160 is [ __ ] significant 6 lb is significant 20 lb is crazy and I just think that there's just a lot of Fighters who are tweeners like Diego Sanchez I think Diego should be fighting at 165 you know I think when he gets to 155 I think he's too diminished he's too scrawny when he fights at 170 he's a little soft he's a little little small for some of those really big giant dudes I think I'm kind of between 185 and 170 yeah like my shape you know like my reach my height you like I would love there to be like a 180 yeah awesome for think there really should be more of that in the I think those are the things that I would like the UFC to change the the downward elbows the knees on the ground and more weight classes we've solved a lot of problems Dana can we go ahead and execute these things that Joel and I have concurred on from today's podcast thank you yes it's not even Dana it's the athletic commissions here that's what's really crazy is that it's sanctioned by athletic commissions and you really don't have that much influence over athletic commissions I mean any yeah especially well now that Keith Kaiser's gone maybe they have a little bit more but I don't know how much they listen I I wish they would listen about a few things F certainly downward elbows and certainly at least consider revamping the scoring system and then adding weight classes um what other things about weight cutting do you find that are uh an issue like there there's obviously an issue with injuries and there's obviously an in an issue with diminishing Health do you worry about the long-term repercussions of like there was an article recently uh Jim Miller was talking about weight cutting he's like I know I've taken years off my life through weight cutting do you worry about that I do um the things you know I am really conscious about my brain um you know when I'm cutting weight I I like I love reading I love writing you know like even you know creative writing too like I I I love do you write a blog do you keep a blog or anything yeah for me just for you yeah you going to
publish it someday maybe there there are a couple of times where I wrote I wrote some blogs when I was deployed um letters from a foreign land and um like people loved like I'm an okay writer I'm I'm not the BET like anyways everybody's the worst credit um and when I'm cutting like my brain doesn't work right like I feel it and um and then when you're getting hit in the head while you're cutting you know from guys like Jon Jones and Carlos Condit you know like life sucks your brain sucks so I'm like yeah I I I have my eyes are wide open that there's you know physically going to be some repercussions to me fighting you know from me jumping out of airplanes for like you know what point do I say okay I'm not going to do this because it hurts me in the long term you know like you're 34 yeah do you have a a cut off do you have like an age where you're like this is the age where I don't want to be doing this anymore oh definitely what you what age is that I can't tell you can't tell me okay but you have a number in your head where you would like a a goal to reach I love Randy Couture and Dan Henderson and I think it's some of the they had some of the greatest fights towards the end of their career I am not going to be fighting at 40 you know I'm not going to be fighting my late 30s you know like oh you told me the number then that's only you don't leaving out 5 years not much yeah you got a 5year window then wow yeah no way I got too much I want to do what do you want to do um I want to change people's lives you know I want I want to be able to impart individual responsibility to people I want to save some animals I want to I want to hunt some more um I want to make some awesome TV shows and try to what kind of TV shows uh so Duck Dynasty no I do not want to do Duck Dynasty at all and I don't even think I've ever seen a full episode but good for you I I I haven't maybe I've seen like three quarters of an episode but you done lost your redneck I ain't lost my redneck those guys took values that they wanted to project and they figured out a conduit to do it we might call them idiots and like they have horrible accents and they do stupid things and um but they had a set of morals that they try to convey and they found an Avenue to reach thou millions
of people you know like I want that platform um because I have some good things to say you know and I I think I I want to have an opportunity to make a difference why don't you do a podcast start off with the podcast do a podcast now be like one of the first MMA guys I me Brenan sha does one with Brian Ken but Brandon's kind of a meathead let's be honest he's a great guy I love him but you're so like you're intimidating and smart like how could I compete with the Joe R [ __ ] out of here [ __ ] out don't blow smoke up my ass sir I know what you're doing I'm not that smart you are nope NOP warn they're like don't get an argument with Joe cuz he doesn't forget anything and he's deceivingly smart I was like I'm aware of these things well I definitely look dumber than I am for sure but that's not saying much cuz I look really [ __ ] stupid I use that to my benefit as well it's like I'm an infantryman I'm a grunt I'm an MMA fighter I'm dumb goad talk [ __ ] to me go ahead for sure yeah I've definitely I smoked a lot of weed I've got plenty of brain damage going on absolutely but I'm not nearly as dumb as i' look I look way [ __ ] Dumber um I think you would be great on a podcast I think you and a the beautiful thing about podcast is and I I [ __ ] swear to God everybody comes on my podcast is like you should have a podcast I'm like trying to give I don't know I don't believe it's not that I don't believe in competition I don't I have the exact opposite of a famine mentality I think there's there's 300 million [ __ ] people out there everybody you everybody could support everybody and there's still plenty to go around you know I I really believe that but obviously my bladder even can't can't handle the podcast of this length so we we've already discovered a limitation to well in your defense you have a a 1 lit smart water and You' drank a big cup of Bulletproof Coffee there's a lot of liquids in there it was and it's also just stamina I just like I probably couldn't keep up with your strength and conditioning program and you can't keep up with my bladder program my bladder is like a [ __ ] it's like a leather satchel back in the old days used to make them out of Buffalo skins strong and durable last a lifetime handed down to your
grandchildren um you could easily do a podcast dude and the beautiful thing about it is that no one be able to tell you what do you no one would tell you what to say what to talk about you wouldn't have to converse with producers try Captivate enough people to you know cuz I want that the access to the audience you know to to influence lives you know would would my words have enough meaning um to draw in enough people of course they would I hope so they were they are doing that right now right now millions of people are going to listen to this I jump out of an airplane you know into the water you know into the ocean with a whole bunch of sharks and and um go swim with them like people are going to tune into that but but what if you get eaten I'll surv and then they're like this whole thing is [ __ ] now but then I get out of the water I'll survive he says and I can talk to him you know it's like 16 million people watched Tim parachute out of this plane into shark infested waters oh you're out of your mind and then rode a motorcycle up onto the beach you know but then I have them but you have them already man you don't have to do that trust me you don't have to do that you've already done enough that you're qualified you're you're a qualified legit badass the idea that you're going to parachute into sharks and that's it's going to change everybody well the guy's a [ __ ] [ __ ] I'm sharks oh he's got me let's sit out and listen to what Tim has to say I think this just broke off here you are so powerful Joe Rogan just broke his microphone I think this microphone was I'll just hold on to it till we're done bare hands microphone is made from a made in a foreign land where quality is not valued you you easily dude could do a podcast easily without a doubt and I think that these you do a lot of videos too with Ranger up right if you call them that I call them that what was the one where you did did the Black Swan thing um that was interpretive dance can we can we show that yeah that's fine pull that pull it up what's the name of that I think it's Tim Kennedy Black Swan pull up Tim Kennedy Black Swan and I'll try to fix this microphone while uh while that's happening yes but the problem you're going to have with doing a television show is producers cuz they're going to
look at you and they're going to try to put you in a mold and they're going to try to get you to do a bunch of fake [ __ ] they do fake [ __ ] man they fake [ __ ] I had a problem with fake [ __ ] on my Sci-Fi show they faked a bunch of [ __ ] and I didn't find out about it until it was aired and and I came on the podcast and I apologized and I didn't know and it was a a huge [ __ ] problem and that's that was on a show called Joe Rogan questions everything like I'm trying to find the truth about these things and their instinct is still to fake [ __ ] and to put fake [ __ ] in that you don't even know about that it's [ __ ] horrible I'm not very malleable you like you're you're not that's why a podcast is perfect you the you have a very unique vision and your unique vision is qualified by your unique life experiences any Hollywood douchebag is not going to understand that and they're going to try to mold you in what they think could be more profitable for the network yeah but they would also have to sleep at night and they'd be scared of what I could do to them once they go to bed they would but they wouldn't they live in gated communities and they [ __ ] hire people to keep an eye out for you is this it here play that and I'll fix this thing hello and welcome to Masterpiece Theater here is a scene from Black Swan performed by MMA fighter and Special Forces operator Tim Kennedy I had the craziest dream last night about a boy who was turned into a swan but her Queen falls for the wrong guy and he kills himself [Music] for the folks who are not watching this please watch this go to YouTube what compelled you to do this so the the movie Black Swan obviously well Natalie Portman is beautiful she is beautiful um and uh my mom used to make us take dancing lessons so there as you can see there's some skill here this isn't you just can't do this stuff whatever that is scary um your mom made you take dance and your dad made you take martial arts yeah interesting cing classes with my mom cooking classes y hunting with my dad um that makes a balanced person that's like U mioto Musashi's book of five rings you know he believed that everybody should every Warrior should
also be well versed in poetry and calligraphy and art yeah it wasn't by choice you know I was like yeah let's go to ballroom dancing and learn how to swing dance ballroom dancing oh yeah she got them all oh God I'd have probably moved out I was like 11 I didn't have a chance yeah find someone to take the motivation was um having fun you know like you you you can't um if you don't enjoy and have fun in life and be able to laugh at yourself and put on like a tutu and dance around you know like like a beautiful fairy butterfly Swan both the Black and White Version and be able to understand um the the transition the metamorphosis from the black to white swan it's scary scary process it is once you understand that about yourself um there's really nothing more frightening um that you could do in the rest of your life if I was that guy from what is that show inside the actor studio is that analogous to your transition as a fighter I I really really try to you know personify the are you the Black Swan or the wh Swan when you fight it's it's I in in me it's it's the journey to the black one I'm I'm neither you know it's like the scary down the rabbit hole you like I took the blue pill and now I'm becoming the Black Swan and there's violent scary things on the way there and that's that's that's where I try to fight at is on the journey to the Black Swan is that why you come out to the rooster no I come out to the rooster because it's a badass song it is a badass song and um roosters like to fight they do like to fight but the song's about Vietnam it's about Vietnam Vets the 101st um they used to call the tail Gunners or the machine Gunners the rooster on the team is that Allison Chains yeah yeah um so like PS Mia Vietnam Vets all of them that song uh the song was written by the by Lee singer about his father who disenchanted they grew apart and he kind of resented him for being in the war and then he kind of had this Revelation that it was like he had to he didn't have choice he's drafted so he wrote that song to to connect reconnect with his father who was a Vietnam vet um so that that song has a lot of meaning uh to to me and my community you know veterans so I walk
out to that song man there's like there's no like I feel like there's nothing you could you could hit me a freight train and I wouldn't care you I grabb portions of my body and try to keep fighting wow it's a great [ __ ] song for you man there's certain songs that just sort of you hear that song and you know that guy's fighting like there's uh Country Boy Can Survive when Matt Hughes fights you know there's just no getting around it strangle hold when benitz fights Joseph benitz fights comes out to Ted nit trangle hold which is a great [ __ ] song for him you know it's just there's certain songs that just personify a fighter you know that's a that's a good one for you man yeah I'll have it forever that's my song do they give you any pressure about songs do they like you have to prove it CU I know um Uriah Faber tried you know he always uh comes out to California you love mhm but uh he wanted to do Going Back to Cali and uh they wouldn't let him do it I I don't think it's uh like the UFC zua I'm I'm not sure it's them that because they have to get rights to use that music in the production and and I don't I have no idea how you know legally that that occurs so sometimes they have a list of what you're allowed to do you know there there are some fight promotions were like all right you know submit your your song that you want to watch out to two weeks before and we'll see if we can if it's approved or if we can get approval um you know it's it's I don't know I have no idea how it works but thank God I can walk out to Rooster because I'd be really sad if I couldn't yeah it's perfect for you do I'm glad that you have an exit strategy CU there are a lot of Fighters that don't and the saddest thing to me is a guy who looks at fighting as everything like that is all they are capable of that is all they're ever going to be they don't know what to do next and they get out of it and they have this thing where they they they they're diminished like you could see they're their Aura is diminished you know if you believe in auras but whoever they are like seems less when you're around them than who they were when they were competing yeah it's there's nothing more tragic than seeing the guy that bled and sweat For Your Entertainment and at the end of his career you know he
wasn't smart or he didn't do things you know how he should have and then at the end of his career he has nothing you know he's fought 20 fights he's broken physically and mentally you know and and there there's nothing left in him and he has no resources to continue his life you know like I have I have Ranger up you know a company that I'm intimately part of you know I have great relationships with partners that are going to go outside of the cage when I'm done fighting that are going to be part of whatever TVs you know series that I'm in but it's it breaks my heart seeing these guys that you know at the end of their careers they have nothing and you're just like God yeah yeah it breaks my heart too and it I've I've seen it so many times that it just it drives me [ __ ] nuts man it it it just it drives me nuts I I I almost want to like grab them in the middle when they're peeking and go listen man this is beautiful but it ain't going to last you got to have something else you got to have something that you have as much passion for as you do this maybe that's one area where you have an advantage in that you've been in so many life or death struggles firefights being deployed overseas seeing life and death and your perspective is far broader than a person who's just been an athlete just been an athlete that has just sought glory and believes that that is the end all be all yeah maybe you know I I definitely have this perspective that you know we have a we have a shelf life as an athlete and it's short it's this this window of opportunity that if you don't capitalize on it you know it's come and it's gone and um most people don't understand that you know we have this this this window to to earn our earning potential is small for an athlete you know like I never had that this is something that I wanted to do I wanted to be Champion I want to be champion and that's what I'm trying to achieve in this window not not financial gain or like like if I don't achieve it in that window I can move on you know to the next thing to then achieve the next thing that I'm trying to do but uh these guys that go in there they they the Mike Tyson's a perfect example of where you know he literally pissed it all away and then at the end of you know what happened to $230
million that you had yeah you're bankrupt so crazy didn't you just stash away 10 you could live off 10 for a long [ __ ] time man do take 10 blow 220 yeah it's it is crazy when you see those stories but it's almost like the huus that allows you to be a combat athlete in a lot of ways this idea that I'm different or like your idea that you're going to [ __ ] parachute to sharks you're going to be fine I'll be fine you know I'm not like that poor [ __ ] that was triathlon training off the course of off the coast of San Diego and got bitten in half in front of his friends um that happens bro happens anybody gets in there it's a bad world the ocean's a bad world it's a scary place I don't like it at all sharks are beautiful yeah they're beautiful when you have them filleted over a grill it's delicious as well um 170 this is the last question do you think that your best chance for a title would be at 170 no I I think I'm close either you know I next fight you know who Joe Silva gives me is you know if it's the V verer borts jock Rays you know that that puts me right there you know I'm number six I beat a number two three guy that's the title fight you know I'm 4-0 in the I'll be 4-0 in the UFC just beating in a title Eliminator my last two fights have been five rounder Main Events you know how can you not say so am I I'm potentially one fight away um you know Mark Munos and musasi are fighting um could I potentially be fighting the winner of that fight you know that's that's definitely in the realm to and if that's the case then maybe I am two fights away if I cut down to 170 I don't think they'd let me fight for the title you know like I'd still be one fight away maybe two so no I don't think I'd be any closer would uh physically the physicality of like me being a bigger 170 than a lot of guys stronger than 170 yet there'd be benefits there but again diminish returns like what am I giving up for that in exchange for do you look at the window that you have I mean we've established that you think you have a five-year window I know you don't want to give up the number but you you already did do you do you look at that and say well if I do get to a title shot at 185 how much time would I have left to work myself up to a title shot at 170 or would I regroup and tried again at
185 if I wasn't successful the first attempt like do you have those thoughts in your head or do you just think about next fight no def I definitely have those thoughts in my head I love having um the 5 meter Target that's the super close thing that I'm looking at that I'm like this is the goal that I'm trying to achieve I'm trying to get a perfect grouping right here you know that's that potential next opponent you know that's that guy that's ranked 2 three four so I can get a title Eliminator type fight but then I see the the the long road we're like okay I fight in that fight I win I'm fighting for the title and I lose the title can I kind of chail stone in it and talk my way into another title fight at a different weight class you know um CH son and is an interesting way to describe it because that's what a lot of people are doing now yeah dude when when you when you when your name has become a verb you know like dude he just totally got cha sewn in well cha is a master word Smith he really is you did a great [ __ ] job cha suning it with this Michael bisbing fight though the both of you did I mean it got interesting and I was very happy that you guys sort of sorted it out inside the octagon and you both gave each other a lot of respect but godamn there was a lot going back and forth between you two yeah we're like we're never going to be friends you know but when you like when you hit I hit him so hard so like I I had the same performance that in in strikes landed in percentage that Jon Jones to Tara did as I did to Michael bisbing like that's I hit that guy that many times you blasted him with some hard shots he took him he took him you know like I know I hit hard I hit I put guys down in the gym with way less and I'm wearing 4 oz gloves and Michael bisbing was like hey I'm here for 25 minutes you're not going to put me away as like how can you not respect a guy for that he's a he's definitely a tough dude he's very very determined he's uh he's also like you got to give it up for him for mental toughness just not even considering retiring the fact that he's [ __ ] his eye up had two eye surgeries not even it's just it's just a thing I'm going to pull aside get back in the gym you know wiom is striking you know he's he's tough as they come he's a born fighter I mean he really that's what
he's supposed to be doing is is he the personification of our Nightmare of You know in two three fights let's say he loses two more fights that is the end of his career um you know his he's ey you know his eye is going to be permanently damaged the rest of his life you know like how much brain damage has he had and how many fights and how many sparring preparations for a fight has he had you know now he's done and he's out of the Limelight and he's broken you know does he have was he smart enough to prepare for that I I think he was but you know he he is that example of you know like he left everything in the cage time and time again at 24 minutes of the fifth round that dude was still trying to get up for me you know like when the when the when the 30 second call was from our Corners he's like started coming right at me after I just dominated him for 24 and a half minutes yeah he wasn't giving up no he still trying to win that fight dude what a great he's a tough dude no doubt about and he's got some serious problems he's got a a real injury to his neck that's affecting his the strength of his arm you know he's uh he's uh he's as tough as they come you know he's definitely as tough as they come but I I know what you're saying as far as guys that accumulate injuries and then they get to a certain point in time and like what is left you know there's a lot of guys that have done less far far less you know less successful than him that their bodies have given out along the way yeah it's a it's [ __ ] hurt game so the hurt game and the hurt game is along the way just the the amount of accumulation of damage that you get in training forget about that's what most casual fans just have no idea you see a little cuts a little bit of blood a little bit of sweat in the fight that's nothing you know like leading up to my 25-minute fight with Michael bising like my sparring partners were like Bob McDaniel and Carlos cond when they're peing for their fights and then they moved on and then you know I had Jon Jones myself like this room full of dudes that are the best in the world and we're sparring two times a week for SE six seven eight weeks you know like leading up to that fight right you know and like we're hitting each other just as hard there as we are in the cage you
know cuz you have to put push yourself as far as you can in training so that the best element of who you and what you are occurs in the cage what do you how do you feel about that like as far as like sparring hard um do you think that you have to spar as hard as you fight or do you think that there's a way like Robbie Lawler famously said that he doesn't really Spar he said yeah he said he knows how to fight he said it's just about getting shape and working on his technique yep um a little I Spar way less than I used to you know like I um and on very rare occasions do I really go all out but I think there are there are times in a fight camp where both your coaches need to see you and you need to see yourself when you're when you're trying to do it all you know when when when you're broken when you're hurt when you're tired you know and sometimes the only way to get there is to push yourself to limit and the only put way to get there is Man by going after it and so you have to feel what it's like to be inside that that that that position to be inside that that that position where you're just duking it out at 100% there's no holding back you you know what it's like to be exhausted you know what it's like to be stung you know what it's like to be hurt you know what it's like to bounce back from being dominated in a in a training session like there's no substitution for that actual fight no you know in grappling like do I ever am I in a position for you know a guy for me to work on an escape of an armar you know there's you know a thousand ways that I could have prevented ever getting there but I still have to see what it's like to get out of it and the only way I'll ever see what it's like to get out of it is if I'm actually put in it so it's the same in fighting like um when I when I thought I had really hurt my hand in the in uh in the first round round you I sit down you know and I come out the second round I just tanked you know like pain adrenaline dumps against against Mike you know I come back to the corner at the end of the second round and they're like all right so you're going to lose this fight if you do that I was at the pits you know like my hands hurt I wasn't sure if I could throw my right
hand again um but you threw it yeah what was wrong with it uh broken it was broken but it's okay now well I have the I have the brace in the car that I'm supposed to be wearing I'm just embarrassed what's what's broken on it the metal carple on this uh this this right here how bad is it broken is it all the way snap through just hairline fracture um they said six weeks in a cast and I was like I can't handle a cast so they gave me this brace just jump in the [ __ ] ocean have the Sharks take care of it yeah dude you're crazy man but that's why you do what you do yeah look we're out of time Tim Kennedy you're a bad [ __ ] this is very fun podcast we got to do it again and please do one of your own man please please You' be awesome at it we'll see please thank you follow Tim online uh you can get a hold of him on Twitter but be nice you [ __ ] don't be a dickwad all right Tim Kennedy MMA on Twitter uh do you have a website Yeah Tim Kennedy MMA Facebook's Tim Kennedy MMA everything's Instagram is Tim Kennedy MMA it's Tim Kennedy MMA Tim Kennedy MMA ladies and gentlemen thank you very much brother it was it was a great time uh thanks to our sponsors thanks to 1 1800flowers.com uh go to 1 1800flowers.com and end the code word JRE or call 1800 flowers and mention JRE to get yourself 24 beautiful multicolored roses for just $29.99 and that is regularly $49.99 so you will save yourself $20 uh that offer is only good today it expires tomorrow which is uh thday May 8th so uh do that you [ __ ] and um thank you- 1800 flowers thank you also to stamps.com go to stamps.com stamps.com and use the code word JRE to get a $110 bonus offer which includes a free digital scale and up to $55 of free postage save yourself the inconvenience of the Post Office Print US postage directly from your home computer folks thanks also to on it.com go to o nni t use the code word Rogan and save 10% off any and all supplements all right we will be back uh this weekend most likely uh Brandon Shaw Brian count and I are going to do a podcast simultaneously while the UFC is on on Saturday night and uh I think I have a podcast with Aubrey this weekend too a lot of good [ __ ] coming up lot of good people much
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