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at this for 51 years I started when I was like 10 years old that's when you started working out yeah when I was 10 my father got me a York barbell set York was just down the road from Carlow Pennsylvania and uh I was one of those kids that was sort of weak and scrawny and uh basically getting picked on by some of the neighborhood kids and my my father kind of saw where this was going got me the barbell saap and uh literally made me go out for wrestling really made me I I went kicking and screaming and then I found out it was actually pretty good at it well you uh you must be happy you must have thanked him at some point in time oh for sure absolutely I mean he had tried to teach uh both me and my brother boxing and so forth in the backyard and uh I I I learned early I didn't like to get hit but I sure like to clinch and take guys down man well that's a sign of intelligence it was just a Natural Evolution and then I discovered hey man I really got this thing for wrestling and all my training was geared to making me a better athlete as opposed to the body beautiful or even uh powerlifting or Olympic lifting I was always interested in improved performance for My Chosen activity and back then that wasn't that common right I mean back then uh everybody was trying to be like Arnold Schwarzenegger everybody was trying to lift weights and get huge and well this was in the 60s and at that point bodybuilding was still in its infancy I mean up to up to the 1950s bodybuilding was actually a really honorable profession it was it was pure there was no anabolic steroids I mean they didn't even have so much as a Flintstone vitamin I mean there was no creatine or you know protein pows and such what was the diet like back then when when guys would like try to get big like did they have any idea of what the the correct foods to eat like what did well yeah for sure a lot more emphasis was placed on health health was always first with a lot of these old old uh bodybuilders and and U they call themselves physical culturists right jackan was one of those guys well I I first heard that term from from you actually from I believe it was reading your blog or or or reading you know something that you would uh a conversation You' had with someone but
uh the the term physical culture like being involved in physical culture I like that term it's a good term well it's a throwback to ancient Greece I mean if you think about it the standard for male Beauty and male Excellence for 2,000 years was the ancient Greek statue the Greek god the Greek god and you know if you look at the sculpture from that time it's just magnificent something got very skewed right towards the end of the 60s early '70s and a lot of it was the anabolic steroids and you know guys let's let's face it it's a human condition right if if people will do things because they can do things and people just wanted to get as big and freaky as possible it's a bit of dysmorphia too isn't it isn't it sort of like like an anorexic that doesn't realize they're so skinny looking or a woman who has enormous fake breasts and still doesn't think they're big enough there's some sort of a weird psychological condition where people definit disconnect in there somewhere where they they they they have a very skewed image of body image of themselves but uh yeah back in the 60s it pretty innocent still I mean steroids existed but it wasn't prevalent most of the uh information if you're looking for really good solid information about sports training uh you have to go before 1950 really yeah why is that well I mean that's when steroids be uh began to make uh inroads into Olympic weightlifting and of course that's when the the Eastern block really started getting into this stuff of course it's not like you know the US didn't have you know plenty of drugs too sure but in those days you know it was still legal in in the early days but you had asked me about what did guys eat back you know the might Mighty Men of just normal food just good basic food uh they drank a lot of milk milk was considered a bodybuilding food and you can trace that clear back you know thousands of years ago even into uh India where they would uh the Hindu wrestlers would would drink the milk and eat eat almonds and and then in an effort to get uh build mass in their bodies so it's been well known well everyone you know talks about lactose and toolerance and and things along those lines but a big issue with lactose intolerance is just homogenized and pasteurized milk and you know I've
talked about that in the podcast and people have said yeah well if you don't do that people are going to get sick and that's not because of the milk it's because of the way we're raising cattle it's because of what we're putting in these animals diets it's because these aren't healthy animals and if these aren't healthy animals and the milk isn't treated properly if it does get somehow or another contaminated by eoli or things along those lines that's not because the milk is bad it's because somehow or another it was handled poorly and people got sick because of it but this idea that pasteurization and homogeneization is the only way to go with milk is really ridiculous kills all the enzymes it is ridiculous I mean people have been drinking milk literally for thousands of years I mean animal husbandry goes back 10,000 years you know and to my way of thinking the modern cow is just a I mean it's just a very sickly animal even though they give these things steroids and they they give them all sorts of antibiotics and and and all this stuff they're feeding them grain cattle were never meant to eat grain they eat grass in in the nature in the wild and then like you said you know you superheat the milk and you cook it literally to death until there's nothing left in it no wonder people have and and then on top of that people are drinking milk combined with all other other kind of stuff and overburdening the digestive system uh overdrinking milk and you know your body be develops an intolerance yeah people have this aversion to um bacteria uh but what folks have to get in their heads like this idea that homogenization and pasteurization is the only way to go because it kills all the bad stuff but it also kills the good stuff I mean sure you're going to get some protein and calcium out of milk that's homogenized and pasteurized but you're taking in cultures when you're drinking milk you're taking in a part of that animal's body and the closer it is to being alive the better it is for your body that's why meat is supposed to be consumed medium rare or rare like that's the best way to eat meat you're going to get the most nutrition out of that food when the the only time you're supposed to cook a like meat past that is when the animal
is assumed to be sick like the reason why we cook pork to 150° is to kill trinos and that's one of the reasons why with um with Factory pork or with um you know uh what's the best word for it Farm pork or domestic pork domestic pork they're now saying that you they're lowering their standard they're lowering it down to I believe 140 or 145 degrees because the instances of trinos are so rare in fact 90% of all trinos cases in this country come from eating be meat interesting I've had bear meat by the way it's delicious it was absolutely it was black bear cornfed black bear cornfed yeah well the bear the bear had actually been living outside this farmers's field and a friend of mine uh actually shot this thing and uh had prepared staks and had told me hey listen I'm coming up to Philly to train some jiujitsu with you this guy was a Firearms expert uh he actually taught firearms for the FBI and he used to take Brazilian jiujitsu with me when I had my school in Philadelphia so I'm thinking oh my God bear steak jeez this sounds really sick man so I was trying to think of every excuse for not eating it right so he comes up he takes my wife out for a shooting lesson at the local range I in the meantime make some dinner for myself and then I'm going to give him the excuse well I was so hungry I couldn't wait right so he's so hurt he's so hurt cuz you know he made this especially for me so I says oh what the hell you know I'll have a bite dude it was absolutely delicious and then I was ashamed of myself like wow man I wish I would have waited for you know so I saved it ahead of the next night yeah bear is very good for you shockingly delicious delicious you just have to make sure you cook it correctly like a smoky beef yeah but you have also has to make sure that the animal hasn't been eating a lot of fish when they eat a lot of fish they can get funky like if you eat bear or if you catch a bear that's been eating like a rotten moose and then for real yeah any kind of scavenger they're omnivore SC yeah whether the Scavenging and so forth but you know back to uh quality of food and so forth an awful lot depends on a person's ability to digest their food it's all comes back to digestion if you can't digest it then you can't assimilate it and a lot of the molecules of this
undigested food passes through the the gut membrane and creates this inflammatory response in the body that's how these people are getting a lot of their in food intolerances and so forth when the digestion is in line your immune system is in line you don't get sick bacteria doesn't bother you I mean the I in in many cases when the immune system is really really strong you you even fight off cases of worms and all sorts of stuff your body is is amazing in is resilience do you follow anything like a Gracie diet or one of those things where you uh don't combine foods to give your digestive system a bit of a break yeah very much so uh I was originally introduced uh to the Gracie diet by Horan Gracie the oldest son of elio and then later Elio himself I spent some time with Elio actually stayed down his Ranch for almost a month one time in Brazil and really wow that was been amazing oh man tell it it was what year was this so this was the year that hoist fought in kopa kabana and lost a v ah okay so was probably 96 maybe was that 96 yeah okay it somewhere around there I want to say maybe I'm a little off might be 98 99 let's find out anyway keep going please I I kind of forget but at any rate uh that's when I was became aware of food combining and then I I did a lot of research and reading about it I read about this guy Herbert Sheldon who had a clinic in San Antonio Texas and cured a lot of people from a lot of different diseases and sicknesses using food combining and fasting so I got really really uh interested and then later I read this guy Dr John Tien who wrote a book called toxemia explained he was a turn of the century physician and he cured many so-called incurable diseases just through diet and fasting alone and the basic premise is when you over miix a lot of food in one meal there's a real tendency to overeat when you overeat you overburden your digestive system and of course there's a real tendency to put on body fat so when you eat just let's say for example uh I have a fruit based meal a starch based meal and a protein based meal occasionally I'll have some light Dairy with the fruit but a lot of times it's just fruit buds so occasionally a little bit of nuts with the starch meal I will usually stick stick with something like sweet potatoes or potato but
occasionally I'll have wheat based product I don't have any gluten problems whatsoever mostly because of the way I combine my foods and I can have that with some vegetables and so forth and then I'll have a a pro protein meal and all these meals are interchangeable I can have my protein meal for breakfast I can have my protein meal for lunch and so forth and usually with the protein meal if if it's really cold or I'm really hungry I'll have a little soup and I'll have a raw leaf green vegetable salad occasionally a couple cooked vegetables but basically meat and vegetables and when I say meat I'm talking about fish fowl you know all all the type of Flesh foods and so forth and since adopting that I I I feel fantastic I'm like 61 years old now I still feel really good um you know I've been able to maintain a really low fat percentage and keep my energy and health because traveling is brutal man I mean I'm in a different country every couple couple weeks and as you know ruthless on immun my God flying can kick your ass man a 2hour flight 12-hour flight doesn't matter it's just really debilitating to fly something about the air and the i i i radiation as well yeah the elect magnetic fields from the plane I mean there's a lot of stuff that's hidden that people don't even realize they can make flying pretty hard in your system but I I do okay I really do the radiation thing is pretty shocking when I first started uh someone was talking about x-rays so I said all right well let's let's look up how much radiation x-ray does cause you a [ __ ] airplanes way more than X-rays and you know people do it all the time all the time and poor those poor stewardesses and flight attendants and Pilots I mean those guys must be beat down on a regular basis it's very uh your body once again your immune system when when you're when you're eating in accordance with nature and you're not over buring the system overburdening your digestive system and so forth uh your immune system is pretty strong your body can handle just about anything really but it does make you tired it can make you quite tired so rest becomes really important and I don't know about you but like I know you fly all over the place to do your uh your comedy act and so forth and uh I find that if if I rest up
really well and don't do anything too strenuous I I bounce back pretty quick I find that um also um I have to exercise when I land when I land that's my my secret to avoiding um the real feelings of jet lag I get to uh the gym I hit the elliptical machine and I just do a hard half an hour on the elliptical machine just something about it forces my body into that sort of recovery response and that kicks everything up a notch and just seem seems to really help keep my energy at high levels when I fly but depending on what time of the day I'll land uh one of my secrets for making the transition the second I get on the plane I reset my watch to whatever time zone I'm going to be in sometimes I'm flying many time zones and then I immediately tried to adapt my eating plan to the place I'm going on which means often skipping a meal uh occasionally I'll even fast and not just drink water the whole time on the plane don't eat anything I figure it's low activity anyway anyway and then uh the second I land I'm like you if it's in the early part of the day I'll take a nice walk I I I do this thing called Russian breathing ladders where I work the breath uh it's it's fantastic it's you match the the bre the inhale exhales to your steps and you see how many steps you can get up to on the inhale and how many steps you can get on the exhale so you might be taking like 20 steps in one inhale and exhaling over 20 steps and you keep that going that's really interesting um I do something similar in the isolation tank just to to clarify what I said earlier I was incorrect uh it's actually the same as an x-ray a 7-hour flight uh from New York to London you receive the same dose of radiation as a chest x-ray from New York New York to Tokyo it's two chest x-rays so that's where i' had gotten it wrong so you know six seven hour flight is like an x-ray it's still a lot I mean like when you go to the dentist right you always see the uh the hygienist jump behind the curtain she doesn't want to when you're just doing this x-ray right harmless x-ray but you never see her in the room with you man so yeah they run away they covering your balls and your your your your chest and thyroid with with a lead Shield so obviously yeah it's not as harmless yeah especially if you think
about poor Pilots you know I mean that's that's pretty crazy when you really stop and think about it it's pretty nuto man so you you were it was 98 which is Hoist Gracie's wed Ishmael fight okay um so you went down there in 1998 you stayed for a month with ILO Gracie for folks who don't know ilio Gracie is one of the most important figures in the history of martial arts if not the most important him and Carlos Gracie uh essentially created what we call Modern Brazilian jiu-jitsu they started the the Revolution and since then there's been a lot of innovation and a lot of change and a lot of growth since that time since you know the 1940s and ' 50s and 60s and then on through the ho you know all all these guys that uh came up afterwards you know through the 9s and then once the Ultimate Fighting Championship came around boy it just skyrocketed now Jiu-Jitsu and your son Max is uh really Zach excuse me Zach Maxwell excuse me Zach um fought in metam Morris yeah yeah he uh wow he really did a terrific job that kid was tough he fought that Shawn Roberts yeah that guy's like a real submission machine so you know I was a little nervous but Z is slick he's slick he's very Rel black guy but you know he was one of the first uh generation of American children to grow up in the Brazilian jiujitsu system I started him when he was really just a little you know uh when I was laughing when Kon was talking about the uh invisible Jiu-Jitsu you know more like invisible pressure well I wasn't so subtle with the pressure I put on poor Zach but he he really uh he grew up in that whole system was that because of like the way your father pushed you into wrestling uh probably you know it was an unconscious thing I had a little bit of that little Le syndrome going on there and uh maybe uh maybe looking to you know live some type of get some type of fulfillment through my kids you know I mean there was all that crap going on well I have girls but uh I teach them Jiu-Jitsu but I make it fun you know I have them armar me and you know I just show them where to put their legs and how to pull and how to you know how to set up the position how show them the mount but what's really fascinating is you know you're familiar with the the concept that there's certain things that
get passed on through genetics in fact uh they've proven that with certain mice that they can take mice and they can Institute they they can put a smell in the air and when that smell happens like a citrusy smell they'll give an electrical shock to the feet of the mice like they have they they're standing on this thing and when they smell this smell they zap their feet not to not to kill them you know just enough to like make them like realize like yikes this is not good their children with no electricity whatsoever smell that smell and a panic ensues they have a panic response so it's passed on through their genetics cellular memory yes my three-year-old when her and my four-year-old uh well her and my 5-year-old uh started rolling around um the three-year-old would take the back and go over under okay she throws the hooks in and she goes like this and she hangs on I was like that's crazy I was like she's it's almost like instinct like they were rolling around and um the older daughter like turned sideways and the three-year-old went like this and then threw her legs over and I was like that is [ __ ] crazy cuz she did what I've done probably a 100,000 times you know but it's in my mind you see the back you get that over under you throw the hooks on I mean it's just instinctively so to see a little three-year-old immediately do it I'm like I wonder if that's in their jeans I wonder if that has somehow or another been passed on I mean we we'll never know but it's an interesting Theory we may in our lifetime I mean we may they may be able to I mean they might be able to figure that illuminate that but uh human beings are natural Grapplers I all mammals are Grapplers I mean even Orca will wrestle sharks there was an amazing film in New Zealand of some tourists that uh there was a female orer with her calf training the calf how to hunt she grab she hid a great white from underneath and stunned it and grabbed it and turned it over sharks need to continuously move in order to breathe when they turn over for some reason they go doel so she held it upside down until it drowned then then they ate the liver yeah once again Grapplers man if you think about it in nature prey animals are Strikers and predators are crappers cats what do cats do they immediately
they get a hold of the neck and then they dive under they go to full guard you know I mean that's super common in the cat world yeah there's a a crazy video of a lion a female lion killing a wilderbeast and uh the way she kills the wilderbeast not a wilderbeast um what are those Pig looking things not a was it a warthog yeah I guess it's a warthog yeah crazy looking Tusk I mean but she she Dives on it she bites its neck and then she rolls under it I mean she pulls guard on this warthog and then slowly chokes it out and kills it by holding on to its neck and it's fascinating to watch because it's totally like watching Jujitsu I was I was in Bal and I stayed right across the uh the road from the monkey sanctuary and the the place where I was staying in B uh the monkeys would just overrun the place like a couple times a day the whole troop are just come walking through hundreds of them right hundreds man it's kind of scary don't leave your iPhone l around into your room key or anything cuz little suckers will grab it and then you have you have to Bri them to get it back but I was watching did that happened with you and well I almost got my iPhone but uh I I would be working my iPad a lot of times because I make my living to an online personal training uh aside from seminars so I'd always be working at the we hours in the morning when this monkey troop would come through so I bought like just one of these cheap little wooden slingshots and you know you don't even have to shoot at the monkey you just pull it back and they start to scream and run away they're smart enough to know like I guess enough people are shot at him you know so they would take off and leave me alone but uh I would watch these young monkeys wrestling and my God it was Jiu-Jitsu they were using the guard they' put the feet in the hips and flip each other over they would go to the back it was really fun to watch the the little suckers doing jiujitsu with each other in the morning and of course they they Ed the neck bite like like you know like a cat like have you ever seen the documentary Grizzly Man I I saw the one part where the uh the Bears going at it yeah fascinating yeah the documentary watch the whole thing oh it's incredible it's one of my favorite do that was wner hog yeah yeah yeah okay yeah I did see part of that I
just kept thinking to myself the whole time what is this guy thinking man yeah you're just you're just a meal you know yeah he was crazy he he had a lot of issues for sure I mean as you delve deep into the documentary all these different people from his past start talking about how crazy he was uh it's a it's actually an unintentionally hilarious documentary it's really quite funny but when the Bears are going at it it's full Jiu-Jitsu it's full Jiu-Jitsu like full guard the bear gets side control at one point I mean it's and then the other bear hip escapes and gets back to guard I mean it's he it's it's crazy I mean it's you watch how they're doing it it's like these bears are using a form of Jiu-Jitsu it's very similar back in uh the 70s I uh went down to Atlantic City and I used to be really into arm wrestling I actually pretty good and I actually won the uh the East Coast Resort championship in Atlantic City uh in my weight in in arm I was a college wrestler at the time I wrestled uh division one NCAA and uh did a lot of strength training in those days and uh the the half the halftime entertainment was Victor the wrestling bear and do you remember the karate guy movie guy stunt guy Joe Hess no he was fairly well known martial arts guy at the time he did a lot of Hollywood stunt work and so forth anyway he went out to wrestle Victor the wrestling bear and it was amazing how this bear would use single leg takedowns really it would grab him behind the Achilles and put his big old bear shoulder and head against the thigh to take him down it was just really amazing to watch this bear go to work like he actually had moves or something so he would go for a low single yeah he would he would and he would take this big this guy probably weighed about 240 250 this Joe and if you saw him You' probably recognize he used to play a henchmen in a lot of movies and stuff anyway he was throwing this Joe around and this was just like a little black bear and then people could wrestle the bear you know uh if they wanted to the bear was muzzled of course and uh it was really amazing man you had they cover the bear's claws with anything yeah they had like little pads around the claws but you had no chance against this bear man
I mean no no chance whatever frighteningly strong this animal was and it was really funny to watch yeah the compar the the relative comparison of strength between a person and an animal it's so ridiculous we had a 2-year-old Chimp on um news radio this show that was on once we had I don't even think we ever used it on the show I think it was one of those scenes that just got cut but the chimp was hanging around the set and the chimp trainer and they were explaining to me how you can only have babies like you can't have like a grown adult male chimp like that crazy lady in Connecticut like they don't do that face and well it wasn't her it was her friend was Tak yeah her friend got got attacked by the chimp but the woman who was keeping this chimp was [ __ ] insane CU trainers don't even do that they don't spend time alone with these things because they're [ __ ] dangerous they are dangerous and then they start to think and act like they're human because they've been humanized yeah and uh there's been cases where some of the animals become sexually aggressive towards the the females you know imagine it's a it's basically a teenage you know mammal and they don't have any Outlet I mean it's crazy yeah they don't have any sexual Outlet other than masturbation or frogs if they catch a frog you ever SE want to catch a frog and they [ __ ] a frog it's like 9 they had the same genetics 98% that we do so they're going to have a lot of crazy human characteristics and but no morals ethics no understanding of language no you know they don't understand the concept of doing someone harm it doesn't even mean anything to them but this 2-year-old chimp that we had was on my back and just playing with me just like smacking me like every now and then like just joking around I was like this is freaky how strong this thing is it only like this big you know it was this little tiny thing and I was holding it and it was like hanging on to me and then it would like rotate on me and then it like like SLA my back and I was like Jesus Christ this little baby could probably [ __ ] me up you know and imagine a gorilla oh I was um I I was uh part of a u Arthur Jones had the inventor of Nautilus had a ranch down in Florida and he was uh he he used to be a u animal Hunter and Trapper he
used to catch the animals for zoos he had um white rhinos uh he had a huge herd of uh the big Florida yeah yeah this is in uh uh Lake Helen Florida he had his uh big Nautilus medical Sports Industries down there and uh you know he he owned giant jumbo Airlines uh airplanes he he was a pilot and uh I mean it was crazy he had the biggest private herd of elephants so he would fly them in on planes he my my father was a uh inspector for the Federal Department of Agriculture he actually inspected Jones elephants when they were that's how I got to uh go down to the ranch and and meet Arthur Jones I wouldn't even imagine you could get a [ __ ] elephant on a plane uh they had those big cargo Jets and they would F like those military style ones yeah yeah wow that makes sense and he um wasn't that a movie Dumbo drop or something something like that but he he was he had he had was an elephant Hunter at one point and felt pretty bad about slaughtering elephants so he decided to do some conservation work and but at any rate he had a pet gorilla named Mickey and uh this Mickey they actually uh sedated it one time and put it on an old Nautilus pullover machine it's pretty funny picture I actually had it in my gym at one point this gorilla but I saw Mickey throw a fit with it trainer one time and I threw a head of cabbage at the guy because it was pissed off about something I don't know but hit the guy in the head and knocked him out wow just AE of Cabbage Dude imagine the power maybe the guy had a glass jaw I don't know it looked to me like the back side of the head but wow knocked this guy out man yeah I bet it was com 300 miles hour for sure man I mean you didn't not want to I mean it just gave you the idea just how powerful these animals are man yeah we can't even wrap our head around what a 800lb primate would be like the the kind of strength that they would have it would just be ridiculous a chimpanzee they say that is this him right here that's him right there the photo up there on the screen that's it wow Mickey the gorilla I can't believe the guy I can't believe you found that picture nice research man powerful Google I actually had that uh that poster ah in in in my gym at one point they say that a chimp is 150b chimp is supposed to have the strength of a 500
lb man so what does an 800lb gorilla have the strength of I my God it's just unfathomable yeah they probably just tear you apart just pull you much pretty much and you know you just have to wonder about these researchers laying out there in the grass with these things you know oh you ever see them stand still like good God Almighty man when they Bluff charge you you can't move you have to stand still it's oh too much for me man oh well you know they didn't even know that gorillas were real until the early 1900s it was just a legend they they there was a a recent discovery as far as like uh you know you know biologists would just hear about these things that lived in the jungles but they didn't have any real evidence of mountain gorillas until I think it was like 1910 or something like that they finally started seeing them and taking photographs of them you imagine the first person to stumble across a [ __ ] gorilla and realize that's a real thing blew your mind man it's only 100 years ago course in those guy in those days they were into trophy hunting and they probably just shooting the hell out of these things and they're pretty peaceful from what I understand I mean they let you alone yeah I'm there's a lot of Trophy Hunters now reclusive and all that yeah what was really amazing to me was the the the chimpanzees uh they're they commit murder and rape and the different tribes actually hunt each other and they're cannibals yeah you know they're not the cute little things that you they're they're nasty little guys that's another thing about chimps they didn't find out until the 90s that they even ate meat yeah they're omin oforce just pretty much like I said 98% of our uh of our DNA that's the crazy thing about gorillas that they're not gorillas are huge huge enormous muscular Beast super aggressive giant canines they eat sprouts and [ __ ] bamboo Bamboo it's nuts yeah well they have that enzyme where they can process uh the the cellulose one thing that differentiates us from let's say a lot of other uh let's say like uh sheep cattle but even gorillas they have a digestive enzyme that breaks down cellulose human beings do not that's why a lot of people they go into veganism and try to do all raw food diets don't
do so well you can uh human beings cannot process cellulose so all the nutrients that are bound in the cellulose fiber cannot be absorbed or assimilated into the body so we have to do things like cook food you know like broccoli for example is completely undigestible but yet you see it every salad bar really so when you eat broccoli raw you're just doing nothing you're not getting much it becomes a digestive irritant really same thing with caulif that's why they should be cooked or steamed to you know to break down the cellulose or you can juice them the high-speed juicing process you take the the cellulose out of there and then you get the nutrients and so forth do you cold pressed juice you ever you ever have cold pressed juice well you know because I'm on the road I don't have kitchen implements and so forth but for sure I would if you know if if I had a permanent setup yeah there's a a company near me that sells cold pressed juices and God they're so good and they're I mean this company they they have like cabbage and all these I mean they don't taste the best but God damnn you just feel the nutrients when you drink it it's like your body just goes yes you know like it does a little Diego Sanchez yes cartwheel when you when you drink it die is a character man I worked with him down at the University of jiujitsu what a what a good guy well you got him in probably the best shape of his life when he fought BJ Penn for the title you know I I remember he was in amazing shape I mean BJ is a incredible fighter let's face it his skill set is just like amazing and uh the only thing that was probably keeping Diego on his feet in that fight was the fact that he was just in such superb shape it would have been more merciful if he wouldn't have been in shape cuz then he could have just got knocked out I mean it it was really bad the cuts and so forth that he he got well the cut is what stopped it that was that big head kick it was just awful man he his face was really laid open it was very sad yeah he got caught early in that fight too he got hurt like moments into the First with a right hand and then he just I don't know I mean even if he wasn't in shape Diego's just got such an incredible will I mean I don't think I've ever seen I don't think I've ever seen a guy with a will that strong I've
never seen a guy able to push himself to such an anth degree look at that picture of him he looked fantastic in that fight too he doesn't look like that now oh no well maybe he's training a little bit different way or what well he just doesn't look as muscular strong you know he's uh he's he's he's smaller now I think maybe he sacrificed a little bit of muscle mass for maybe more cardio but he's also fluctuated back and forth now more like what he's done a few fights at 170 like with Jake Ellenberger Martin campman and then he's he's gone down to 55 and he goes back and forth he actually said that before his last fight he ate some bad beef Tartar and got sick and uh that he had like some sort of a food poisoning that sapped him of his uh his uh strength um before the miles jury fight his last fight I thought that was crazy that he would eat beef tartar like like right before he fought like a major UFC fight without knowing like the source of I think he ate it at like a hotel you know he's in Vegas well been a long time wrestling competitor I I wrestled all through the 60s and 70s and and then later I got into Brazilian jiu-jitsu I was very intimate about never eating anything different you know when it came you know within a day or so of the fight so I would never experiment or eat anything unusual or no way man yeah I think I would think Diego would I think it was Dallas actually now that I think but I don't think it was Vegas but you know I I was shocked that he would do that he would eat beef tart I mean that's a risky thing to eat too raw beef well you just don't know these hotels I mean what you're going to get in these restaurants and so forth um usually when I travel I try to use Airbnb Airbnb Airbnb what's that uh it's a website where you can rent little apartments or or even little cottages and houses and they're all over the world oh Bed Bed and Breakfast yeah bed and breakfast B and yeah fantastic uh uh um so much cheaper than hotels plus you don't have to go broke going out to uh dinner all the time in restaurants and so forth because usually these places have you know stoves or ovens and you know you can cook sometimes you lock out and have a blender or something you know and I mean wow it's really good you can buy your stuff and bring it back oh that's nice so you go and go to a
grocery store that's got to make a huge difference huge difference when you're traveling like I do yeah It's Tricky right out a lot but uh you know with the kind of dot I have is really not that hard a lot of times I'll just go to grocery stores and so forth and and and buy the food and bring it back I find believe it or not in Europe and even Russia I was just in Russia not uh too long ago uh the food is superior to what we have in the United States really uh well they don't have aggro business there you know if you go into an average uh supermarket in the United States you'll see all the fruit it's per perfect it's all waxy and shiny and everything's lined up of course unless you're going to like an organic place you know like Whole Foods or something but if you're not buying organic produce you know the produce always looks so uniform and so pretty and but it tastes kind of like cardboard in Europe it looks like theyve just picked the apples off someone out of someone's backyard I mean sometimes they have like holes and they're irregular shaped and I mean it just looks like you know like fruit you pick off a tree and absolutely delicious you go down the aisle of a US Supermarket let's just take the cereal aisle for example you might have like 80 choices there you might have like five or six people don't overeat like we do here in the states and the food is much simpler but really delicious it's not hard to feed yourself and you're so the vegetables are closer to like like heirloom tomatoes like that type of thing ex and you can taste the difference boy have you ever had folks who've never had heirloom tomatoes you know you see the tomatoes that we have in stores today um a lot of times what you're getting is these genetically modified tomatoes that are surviving for long periods of time since they've been picked to the time that you eat them they can last weeks and weeks and weeks which is not normal I grow tomatoes and if I take one of my tomatoes and I pick it then I put it on my counter in a couple of days it starts getting funky that's right you want to eat it quick you want to pick it and eat it within days um but these store-bought tomatoes that you're getting you know where they have been modified they're pale and they're hard and they like they can take
a beating a regular Tomatoes like kind of a mushy fruit it they don't really they don't stay firm that long and a lot of the nutrients and so forth uh there's just not there I mean they're grown in nutritionally depleted soil they're harvested early so that you know they have a longer shelf life they're genetically modified you know like apples for example you know they have these storage apples and you know people are eating apples during the winter and so forth but I mean these things are like really old I mean they've been around you know in storage Cold Storage they're not getting the nutrients like they could if they were eating in season yeah I've started over the last couple years started growing my own food growing my own food and my own eggs that's a big one I have my own chickens and uh I mean these chickens are pets like my my three-year-old daughter picks them up and she can carry them I mean they're pets and they run around the yard they they eat grass and worms and they eat food they eat table scraps too which is great because food that you know we necessarily might not eat you know you scrape a plate off it doesn't have to look pretty you know like leftovers you know we we we do eat leftovers and we you know we'll seal them and put them back in the refrigerator but like the stuff that's just sort of like a little bit left on your plate we'll just take a little bit of that like from everybody's plate put it on a plate put it out there for the chickens they go nuts for you know we don't feed them chicken of course but you know we feed them beef and we'll feed them vegetables and you know they they'll eat all sorts of different things that was like yeah Gracie's Farm in terzopoulos you know he lived up in the hills and he had his own farm and he had his own chickens that were free range they they would bring the eggs in he had his own herd of cows that just grass-fed he would milk those cows every day from the raw he used to bring me he knew I lik milk he'd bring me a picture so frothy from from the cow's tee set it on the table for me to drink that would be my breakfast a liter of raw cow milk wow he would make cheese from that milk his own brand of cheese with no salt or anything just just like a a freshh non-age type cheese uh he
would go down to the pond he had this big Springfed Pond where he would fish catch the fish for that night uh vegetables were grown in a garden uh he you know you hear about these SI drinks you know most of them are just sugar water just Frozen sugar water this s you buy in the supermarket yeah say he's a berry uh a Brazilian Berry this Guana that has this sort of uh it's it's got a stimulant effect to it extremely uh uh high in all sorts of nutrients and so forth antioxidants but uh it tastes really bitter it's not a it's not a sweet fruit he would pick the siie off the tree and come in and actually literally juice the siie right there excuse me fresh on the spot it was amazing man you know there's coconuts there was uh these little tiny bananas he would get I mean he was basically living off off the land you know it was really cool I think the only thing they would buy they would have rice and stuff occasionally but for the most part he was just living off the food that he produced on his farm I want to do that self-sufficient man that's my ultimate goal I mean I'm slowly working my way towards that by growing a bunch of food around the house but it's that's that's the solution I mean I I thought about it I was like everybody wants all these things everybody wants I want a boat you know I want a vacation home I want a This and like how many people that have money ever raise their own food no one ever says hey I'm GNA take this money and I'm going to invest in a patch of land and in soil and farming tools and the you know the the you know heirloom seeds and I'm going to grow my own food nobody [ __ ] does that it's it's a weird thing people's uh priorities are very skewed very skewed it's uh well you know like with my own example I mean I wasn't always this way but uh I everything I own is in 165 l b one 65 lit bag he in the trunk of the car how big is 65 liters uh it's about um maybe like 14 in High by about 28 in Long wow and that's it it wasn't always that way of course I had the four-story Brownstone house in Philly and the you know gym and the braz the first Brazilian jiu-jitsu Academy in the the Eastern Seaboard maxercise right maxercise even before henzo I heard about that place back in the day well you were one of the first American black
belts I was one of the I I don't know what the ranking but it's certainly one of the early ones what year did you get your black belt 2000 from hson Gracie in Hawaii and then um I was Ho Gracie's U training uh trainer for his first so you got your black belt when you in your late 40s uh I yeah I did I was 48 years old I'm 61 now so what was 200000 so I was what 58 wow so when you were training down at uh alos place you were still a brown belt I was a purple belt Purple belt wow and it how did you get invited to go down there uh I was with Hoy I was his trainer I was trying to prep him for the valigi fight oh so you're a strength and conditioning coach so as his conditioning coach and uh I was pretty close with Hoy uh his wife used to actually be my kid's babysitter oh and I knew her when she was going to medical school Maryanne she also taught aerobics and was one of my exercise instructors and very knowledgeable woman when it came to exercise and fitness and things and uh she was actually going to get her degree in podiatric medicine and uh pediatric is that what you podiatric podiatric was doctor oh oh Podiatry yeah pediatry and then um I I used to bring hoys and he would stay with me for a pry long period of time he he stayed with me for I forget how many weeks it was a really long time and uh you know my wife and I we were older and you know we had this young Brazilian kid what are you GNA do with this guy so uh I said Maryann she was a really pretty girl you know I said hey would you just take him out I mean just do something anything you know so she was doing it basically as a favor you know a little bit under protest you know but she she took hor out and show and they fell in love a it was awesome man I mean it was so cool you know that uh he was supposed to go back to California and we had a huge blizzard in Philly and all the airport was shut down all that stuff so he stayed like this extra week and that was the first snow that Hoy had ever experienced fact we made a snowman together and of course he put ABS and the Snowman and had this snowman with this with this big butcher knife and it was you know real much a snow Macho no man but it's so much fun of course he wanted to drive my car in the store I was like oh my God the [ __ ] out of here did you let him yeah well hey it
was horse graci you didn't say no man how'd that go he was actually amazingly good driver very what kind of car was it it was a drive a Subaru uh front wheeel drive oh Subaru are great in this snow notoriously great in the snow so yeah no he did great man he figured out how to steer to the skid scared the [ __ ] out of that must have been fun though to be you must have been like a little kid that was back in the early days you know when things were still innocent right when I started with the Gracies they were all one big happy family what year was this this is ' 89 I had my first seminar I said holy [ __ ] this is what I've been looking for man 89 so you were way ahead of the curve way ahead of the curve I I had you know after college wrestling I coached for a few years in a local high school I did the freestyle circuit but hey it's a young man's sport and it's really hard when you have a family and you're working to actually go to a university and train with University wrestlers and you start Miss missing your timing and you know so I was looking for something to replace the thrill of wrestling what were you doing for work then uh I was actually working in a gym I was a fitness director for uh at the Society Hill Club in Philadelphia at that time and so I'm just looking for something man I tried Kung Fu I I tried Kea Kate I tried a Japanese style karate tried my hand up mu Thai I basically sucked at these striking Arts you know it just wasn't in my just wasn't in my genetics I wanted to grab and clinch it used to really piss my instructors off because it was almost like you know an instinctive reaction and uh I quickly learned that uh you can avoid like in you know let's take MMA and put it to a side I was interested purely in self-defense at that time you know I always felt like somehow I missed the boat because that was the Bruce Lee era right 70s and uh later and I always thought like wow I shouldn't have been wasting my time with wrestling I should have been doing like gundo or or you know that itman stuff and uh I I didn't realize what a good basis wrestling really was and the few scraps I did get in I found that wow you know double a takedown goes a long way you smash somebody down it's kind of takes the fight out him a little bit you know and uh what little striking I knew I I was
able to equip myself all right and the few scraps I had but I still felt like it was something missing there's fancy kicks and punches and when I saw that Gracie Jiu-Jitsu said man I could do this I could really do this and then I saw the first gracian action tape and I realized wow man this is very doable and so I went into it with this whole self-defense aspect in mind which they really emphasized in those days but yeah hey it was one big happy family the madas had just split from Horan when I first met him they went with Chuck Norris as you know uh there was like bit of a you know difference of opinion or whatever and then after I've been at the Gracie Academy for a couple years uh I I would fly from Philly I had I at that point I had my own gym at 199 open I would go out for a couple weeks at a time with a certain budget and I would take like $1,000 or whatever and I would take lessons were $100 at that time with hen or Hoy or hoer or you know Hixon and I if I got one move in that hour I caught it my $100 move because usually there'll be you know how it is in Jiu-Jitsu especially when you're Blue Bell you get really confused and you get in these positions over and over again and you can't quite figure out what to do and if they would give me the answer that particular problem I would say ah that was the $100 move that was worth every penny to me because that's how into it I was right and then I would go through my thousand do or so right with the with the private lessons and of course they would throw the classes in for free since I was buying so many privit and then I would go back and I had mats in my gym and then I would just call up all my old wrestling buddies and there was a judo Club nearby I would call those guys in and there was a keto guys down the street and I would just basically beat up these poor guys they just didn't know what you were doing I had no idea I had the Judo guys didn't know any any of it uh they didn't know much it was more you know Judah became very Sports oriented but I I I did pick up some good stuff from the Judo guys take Downs oh some good throws and so for trips and but I had what they called wrestler jits you know and pretty rough pretty rough stuff a lot of strength a lot of power just like
wrestling you know I mean what did I know and um but I I got my blue bot pretty quick about six months and I got my purple bout in about a year and a half I think I went through the rank but then I reached the level of my incompetence and there I stay purple B for about four years what do you mean you reach the level of your incompetence well I just couldn't make that next jump to Brown bout I was still using too much power too much strength too much athleticism you know and you know you're just as supposed be based in technique and relaxation and I still didn't have that I can remember one time ho got really pissed off with me we were in the middle of a session you know and u i was been what you know in the J Jiu-Jitsu world is sort of U rude I was kind of grabbing the the ghee in a rough way and you know wrestlers has this way of kind of grinding head sometimes you know he really pissing him off and he says hey wait this is the ghee this is skin and then we wrestled bit he said wa what what what why are you grinding your head into mine what what are you possibly thinking to achieve with this and then he looked up at the clock he says okay these next 10 minutes are going to be the most terrifying of your life Steve and I'm like swollen gulp you know I knew what was going to happen he basically just wiped the mat up with me squeezed me smashed me knee and the belly and the ribs and he wouldn't let me tap and he just basically thrashed me for 10 minutes straight non-stop I was just utterly exhausted not to mention just the the the trauma of just being thrown around by your idol or your hero you know and who was mad at you so there was that emotional thing going on and then he says okay how's it feel Steve feels pretty bad don't it I says man it really does he says well you know that's what other people feel like when you wrestle them he says when you wrestle these other guys that's what you're doing to them he says not much fun you're going to turn people off from Jiu-Jitsu so you better never ever I never better catch you again using all that power and strength and being so rude and it was like wow okay and then the next day I got the flu because it lowered my immune system wow I'm telling tell Jo he really kicked my ass man it was it was really TR and I got the flu
and I was oh I was so disappointed because he's teaching these seminars and I couldn't go I'm on the couch with a fever wow but man it taught me such an important lesson about relaxation and you know all that yeah I've learned that around probably Purple belt too just learned how to relax and how to well also learn how to like do like a real 20 minute session like how do you roll with someone for 20 minutes if you're just going yeah exactly you can't you can't Sprint for 20 minutes in those days I you know I still wasn't getting it man I wasn't getting it but that beating really made a profound influence on me and he did me a great service great service I always like that whole Gracie uh teaching aspect of the whole thing you know like like Horan always said you know it's not really a martial arts style it's a it's a educational system it's a way of teaching Jiu-Jitsu yeah I like their motto keep it playful too you know hen and and hon they they uh they say that all the time keep it playful keep it playful and you know you you can protect yourself while you're doing that and then slowly but surely a guy who's gonna unless you're dealing with a three-minute match you're going to have your opportunities and you know I mean I'm not against the competition aspect of it but it is different I know aler told me one time that considered the modern-day competition to be anti- jju I thought that was an interesting statement he says I would never I would have never been able to win like one of these modern style matches with the points and all that said that wasn't my game he said I couldn't do my Jiu-Jitsu to other people because I was too small too weak he said they they did it to themselves did ILO do any strength and conditioning no not that I know of I mean he did stretching and you know basic Jiu-Jitsu conditioning stuff but he never really believed in weight training or any that that but uh you know he always mentioned how weak he was but um he did have a strength his grips were pretty amazing even for an old man of course he had this huge popey type forearms you know so I mean it was obvious that he he he definitely had some athleticism and and strength but he was such a lightweight guy there was no way he was going to overpower anyone right but have you have you ever read
the biography of asai MAA the guy that toau the Gracie Carlos no uh I read the Japanese translation into English and of course it definitely had a Prejudice to it but that guy was a pretty amazing guy he was a representative sent from the kodon jigoo organized all the Jiu-Jitsu Clans in Japan and was trying to come up with the one style of Jiu-Jitsu which he called Judo The Gentle Way in those day there was a lot of ground fighting uh throws into joint locks all the stuff that's illegal in modern day Judo was still part of the game they had knee loocks uh I actually watched a videotape of old black and white footage some of these old Japanese Masters were doing the exg guard wow ier told me that everything was there when he when uh when Carlos learned Jiu-Jitsu from MAA but MAA a lot of people don't know won over a thousand no hold bar fights it ALS a thousand a thousand how the hell do you fight a thousand times I don't know how's that even possible it's like that hickon 400 thing someone tried to break that down once of how how I would like to know but he did he he did uh stage fights in Spain and England and France then he came to the US you mean on stage you don't mean like stage likeed on stage like they would ask people from the audience to come up and challenge okay like those type of things and they were no hold bar fights or they were Judo matches they were no hard bar fights wow they could do anything to the guy and uh he fought boxers uh well he he he taught was one of the guys that taught Theodore roselt the early Judo really and that became became uh part of the the training for uh Naval Avi Army aviators during World War II and a lot of the army guys uh in World War II Jiu-Jitsu was the basis for the uh self-defense in the US Army and then uh one of his cohorts was humiliated by a champion wrestler from West Point and uh MAA got some Japanese businessman to put up some money and then he he he beat the guy that that beat his partner and then from there he immigrated to Cuba and did all these fights in Cuba I mean he was fighting like apparently for money couple times a week he went to Mexico and they would go to the mining camps where these these you know or or Lumberjack camps where we had all these guys with a lot of money and they would bet and sometimes he would almost lose a
match on purpose to encourage guys to come out there and say oh I can beat this little guy and then he would kick their asses so was like Charles Bronson in hard times just a Japanese version Japanese version wow he was only 165 lbs but apparently had some devastating throws and his groundwork was just absolutely superb he was and jigoo threw him out it was on budo like you're doing these fights you're fighting with noge sometimes you know it's not what we represent here at the kodon so he was basic the koton is the main sanctioning body that was the main sanctioning body Japan in Japan at that time and so um he kept going further and further down and then of course the Gracies uh met him and help helped him get a Japanese immigration Colony started the father of Carlos Gracie helped this MAA guy get established and uh in in gratitude he he U he taught the the five Sons uh it was Carlos oswalo uh I forget the guys but there was you know Carlos had the five brothers the only guy that didn't directly get taught was Elio Elio learned his Jiu-Jitsu pretty much from Carlos he was a very weak sickly child at the time and U and they basically were doing the Jiu-Jitsu of MAA wow and then ELO would watch his brother teach and then it was discovered that wow he's really Adept this you know he has a real knack for teaching and doing Jiu-Jitsu Carlos kind of just handed the Reigns over to ell and then he took it and ran with it and developed it and the rest is pretty much history it's so fascinating that even to this day the smaller guys are the more technical guys and when you think about the birth of Jiu-Jitsu happening from Carlos teaching ilio and ILO being a small guy his Jiu-Jitsu became very technical like the last UFC we were talking about this one it comes up when the flyweights in the Bantam weights he's 125 135 pound Fighters and I I've said many many times if you want to see excellent technique like these are really the guys to watch first of all cuz they never get tired and two because when you're 125lb guy and you're at the gym you're not muscling anybody around you're not muscling anybody you got to learn to do everything correctly everything has to be proper technique everything has to be perfect form you have a gravity and strength disadvantage
from the jump and so because of that you learn to do everything absolutely correctly you very rarely see like a really good light jiujitsu guy who tries to muscle things they they don't try to muscle almost never sometimes ex- wrestlers and they'll do that right up through about purple but like myself and then they get lost the the tech the they they the technique begins to outstrip their strength at the brown and blackout levels the guys everyone is strong in good shape but they have incredible technique at that level so if you've been basing most of your your winnings on athleticism and strength and all that once you hit Brownell man forget it it's not going to happen too much anymore yeah I've always said man if you could get a guy like Mark Coleman who's such a dominant wrestler in his prime you know when he was UFC heavyweight champion if that guy just fell in love with jiu-jitsu and just was passing the guard mounting taking backs taking arm bars I mean he would have just been a [ __ ] beast he would have been a beast well yeah all he was a beast Kevin Rand all those guys yeah none of them embraced Jiu-Jitsu no they never did it was always you know well it's that wrestler mentality I mean I had it you know I thought I knew everything and wrestlers are pretty aggressive guys and you know you you're very confident in yourself and there's a tendency to think you know everything but smart wrestlers you know they eventually they start to lighten up and they they start to embrace the technique of jiujitsu yeah it makes a perfect combination it's real easy for wrestlers to just slide right in there man sure it's just about I mean that's the other thing about wrestling as opposed to Jiu-Jitsu is wrestlers are so much more drill oriented wrestlers like by necessity drill techniques a lot con constant training if you go to any high level wrestling room you'll watch guys hit techniques over and over and over and over and again whereas Jiu-Jitsu this is like a little bit of drilling and then okay free train everybody let's roll and everybody just roll because it's so fun to just roll so fun to just try to submit each other that you know they don't they don't do the same sort of drilling and technique Based training that a lot of wrestlers do at the
highest level wrestling on the feet the standup part of wrestling is just as technical Jitsu in many ways it's very subtle a lot of setups I mean it's pretty uh amazing those guys at flow wrestling that that you ever gone to that website I love that great website but they do a great job of explaining that and showing how technical the European and the Russian wrestlers are and you know how how much more they rely on those techniques and the subtle varieties of their their exchanges and their entrances into techniques I I really like that I like that emphasizing that aspect of the wrestling CU a lot of people don't know what it is they see big strong guys trying to overpower each other you don't understand this it's like there's so many different moves that are being exchanged at a rapid pace and you know attacks CS yeah faints and I I had the privilege of working with five-time Ukrainian national wrestling champion Andre brener he used to come up to my school in Philadelphia all the time and train and wow they guy showed me so much technical wrestling and then one of my students was uh Yushi Miyaki who was one of the judges for Pride he was a fourth on uh black Bel and Judo from the codon but he was also a three-time world Greer Roman wrestling champion wow and he was working for a Japanese import company in Philly came into our school guy was you know big thick coke bottle glasses just this kind of silly little grin really polite he's bwing a lot he spoke almost no English and you know so we he went into train with us so we give him a ghee you know he put he puts on the white belt you know no no fuss next thing I know he's launching dudes man it's like oh my God what a sleep what a sleeper this this guy's a white bout man I mean and you had no idea what his background was he's doing like saying augies from the knees and throwing guys man it's like wow so we finally get the guy to write his name for us so we could Google him and then we what year was this this is like 95 was Google in 95 no there was like some sort of an Internet SE it was some kind of Internet cuz I I was completely non Tech I didn't even have a laptop in those days Joe I didn't even have a cell phone back in 95 so wow I don't know one of my students did whatever that you do
on the on on a computer and looked him up and found him and then we said holy [ __ ] you got a gem this guy is unbelievable man and we were shocked it was like three time world Greer Roman he was a an Olympian in Atlanta Olympics wow he play he played just out of the metal round yeah he just wanted to train and he was I guess he had heard about Brazilian J Jitsu wanted to try it out and uh he went through the ranks fast man I actually took him the first professional grappling tournament was the proam event down in South Carolina do you remember this there was a couple guys that put it on couple oh man I'm terrible for these dates man you're really put me on the spot with these dates uh but was pre ho and WGI right H that was 98 was ho and bigi when you went down to Brazil I think yeah it was pre pre and that was probably fought in it oh maybe it was 2000 after 2000 you see she fought in this thing it took second place against really good black belts at that time wish I could remember something I know hoer fought uh there was it was like a who's who grappling solo fought he he fought this catch wrestler guy no kidding it was real interesting it was like a mixed grappling style but it's called the Pro Am it was like the first professional level type grappling thing I remember it vaguely now I remember it vaguely now cuz but I was still I was really I started in 96 I started I took my first class at hixon's and then um Hixon was pretty far down it was on Pico and I found that Carlson had a place on Hawthorne which is like really close to where I was working so uh I went to Carl I to me I was a wipe out I was like Gracie is Gracie you know yeah for sure I mean and that stage came in right when vtor was fighting John hes when vtor was like 18 years old and they were calling him Victor Gracie it wasn't VOR would they put a K in there I don't you know I don't know why what happened they changed his name I don't know what happened but it was Victor graci Victor when Carlson was trying to adopt him or was treating him like he was his son and so he was taking on the name Gracie because the Gracie name was huge back then 96 couple years after the Ultimate
Fighting Championship everybody wanted to train with a graci everybody wanted to be gracing yeah yeah and um uh I got a chance to see Mario Sperry was down there marilo bamont was training back then Sergio Cohen like all these like black belts from Brazil Carlos bajetto was there they were the guys man they were really L the foundations here in America you know I just got so lucky I came in and I got to I watched that all happen right during the extreme Fighting days remember that when uh John Paretti was putting on those extreme Fighting challenges and half Gracie was there and you know half Gra she was fighting those remember those man those that was the back in the day that was back in the day man well a lot of people don't realize you're you're uh athletic prowess either I mean a lot of your listeners have no clue I'm always shocked when I say well Joe is like world class athlete man people always say really he says yeah he's not just a television host or comedian or an actor says this guy can Rumble man I'll never forget when you showed me that spinning back kick on the banana bags in your garage I mean there were 200 lb bags Joe you were bending those things in half my ribs hurt just watching you do that man so a lot of people don't realize your pedigree in Jiu-Jitsu and submission wrestling and and and and kickboxing too man so well I've been obsessed with it my whole life you know the only thing that's been [ __ ] with me lately is I haven't really been able to roll hard for the last year I've only rolled once over the last year I had a bulging disc in my back and actually my neck and uh I started started doing this thing called regena I did a bunch of different therapies for it uh but I was really worried about uh pursuing um Jiu-Jitsu P this because I started getting numbness in my fingers and uh I had heard uh a lot of horror stories and I'm friends with boss Rootin of course and boss Rootin has had a pretty bad neck injury that he's had two surgeries on and he actually just started going and doing regenicin at the same place where I've uh had it done and so I went through a bunch of different procedures and after a year of different therapies like um uh I did uh Prolo ozone which is Prolo therapy with ozone which stimulates healing and uh I did a lot of ralphing
like really hardcore deep tissue massage and soft Tiss man familiar with raling do you do you do any of that I was actually raled by Ida ral's son whoa the guy you know she invented roling out of frustration because her son went through that polio epidemic of the 50s it was all twisted up this poor kid and she took him to specialist after specialist and just out she had a PhD in Biochemistry very intelligent woman out a sheer frustration she just started molding the boy herself and came up with her ideas of ring and then began to teach other people the postal integration techniques I was raled by that boy wow that's amazing and he was an amazing raer and then I had a woman in Philadelphia Linda Grace fantastic one of the professors at the Ralf Institute they they they they go and teach for a while and they they uh they revolve in and out you know it's not always the same professors at the RO Institute but This Woman Saved My Life in my Jiu-Jitsu career I had some pretty horrific injuries no one ever said that playing Combat Sports is healthy man no well I mean I had this conversation today with the doctor because uh I've been uh I have some photos of it that I'm going to put up on Instagram but I'll show them to you what what this uh process is but it's pretty fascinating what they do is they take your blood and they um this is me lying on this table with all these needles in my back and then those little tubes on the end of the needles that's where they pump this serum in I'll put all these on Instagram later so you guys can see them and what it is is you they take your blood and the blood is placed in a centrifuge and it's spun around and it's heated and somehow or another during this process like it treats your body treats the blood like the BL the blood reacts as if it's having like if there's a fever and so it generates this intense anti-inflammatory response and this yellow fluid becomes the most potent anti-inflammatory medication known to man and it's produced by your own blood which is really amazing so they pull this yellow serum out and then they inject it directly into the injured areas with dramatic results it's your own anti well see that's you know we had talked about supplements earlier right and I uh I used to be quite the
supplement you know anywhere between $250 to $300 a month as spending in supplements and I quickly realized that I was actually undermining my body's ability to make its own anti-inflammatories your body when is being fed properly and your D you know your digestion is in order and you're simulating the nutrients that you need from your diet you make your own anti-inflammatories and you do not need to be taking a lot of extra uh nutrients if anything it throws you completely out of balance well I'm I'm sure that your body can make anti-inflammatory you know responses to injuries but nothing like this I mean your body is making it this but what what's gen you're you're using your own body so it's different than taking a subp well it's also they're directly injecting it into the this guy Dr Peter Welling is a spinal surgeon in doozledorf Germany and he's the one who figured this out um is he has this two two-year study of osteoarthritis of the knee that's published in the medical journal Journal osteoarthritis and cartilage which uh started uh a lot of all this off and got a lot of people uh invested in this uh this procedure and they figured it out in Germany in like 2003 and the United States has really been hampered with a lot of This research because of all the [ __ ] that went down with stem cell research the religious right was you know really putting the breakes on any sort of stem cell research and they were connected stem cell research with fetal tissue and aborted babies and people are going to abort babies just to get the fetal tissue there was so much [ __ ] craziness craziness man and this this thing that they do the the way that it it differ it differentiates between PL PL rich plasma which is what a lot of people think of when they think of like blood spinning um with this is it's it's a little bit more potent and I'm going to I would butcher it so if anybody's interested in it read about it online uh they call it Ortho Keen in Germany and it's called regen in America but they do it in Santa Monica now it's done in Vegas and Dallas and they're doing it all over the place with miraculous results for athletes there's a lot of athletes that have well all these guys
are were flying to Germany like Kobe Bryant was flying to Germany um uh what is his name um pton Manning had two neck surgeries he was ready to retired from football went and got orthen in Germany and boom playing better football than ever it's pretty amazing those NFL goes hey can we take a brief break sure I just need to hit the head hit the head go ahead go ahead that awesome coffee you gave me just listen man takes a while I got that old man bladder going on don't worry about it dude I'll I got a lot of [ __ ] [ __ ] to talk about and let people know um anybody who's interested in that uh the place if you're anywhere near Santa Monica um the guy that I go to uh for this uh regenicin thing and no Financial just to in the interest of full disclosures no I have no financial interest in this whatsoever um his uh his name is Dr uh Ben RI uh and uh he does it out of a place called lifespan medicine that is in uh Santa Monica and it's incredible stuff and it's also the the beautiful thing about it is you don't have to worry about your body rejecting it this is all something that your body naturally produces so if you're interested um just run a Google search on it and find out if there's a place uh anywhere near you that uh that has this but for me I've had amazing results with this um and then uh from from that the raw thing and all these other uh different procedures that I've tried out of all of them the regenicin has had the most uh dramatic responses because it's pretty dramatic and pretty quickly um I've also found that uh if you have any joint pain if any people out there with joint pain a big one for me has been fish oil fish oil is really incredible anti-inflammatory properties to it uh and I have a friend who's a carpenter and he he's told me that through taking fish oil like he used to get like really sore knees and elbows after a long day of work just completely eradicated a lot of that stuff um I take I I take pretty high dose fish oils I mean there's pros and cons and people argue that uh I I take 10 a day I take 10 pills a day 10,000 milligrams and some people say that's overdoing it and probably Steve would say it's overdoing it I don't know but I work out like a mad man and for me it has a huge difference between when I take it and
when I don't take it I just feel like uh I have less less joint soreness which is uh really important for me he I you know I would try what what you're doing but I eat like a [ __ ] a madman and I just I don't see myself eating only a vegetable meal and then a meat meal I I eat like a [ __ ] pig dude I don't know I always have I I eat less um bad things like uh i' I eat very little sugar at this point in my life um I I will reward myself every now and then with like some ice cream or a treat but for the most part I get all my sweets from fruits I I I very rarely indulge in any show like somebody offers me candy or something like that unless there's pot in it I'll eat a pot candy yeah I'm not uh I'm not really into sugar myself other than uh eating fruit you know some people say well how about the fructose how about but they they forget that you know it's all bound with fiber push-up this thing and uh yeah there we go there we go and it slows down the digestion yes so that you're not getting this big sugar rush or anything when you're eating raw natural fruits well that's part of the what's going on with this Bulletproof Coffee idea the idea which was uh apparently was originally invented by Rob wolf I don't if you know Rob Wolf the Paleo yeah um he was the the guy who created and Dave aspey is the guy who sort of made it popular a lot of it because being on the show but the uh grass-fed butter and MCT oil um is what slows down the digestion of the caffeine because it's Blended up together with the the coffee that it just cuz when I drink I like black coffee I like to drink black coffee but man the difference in like the bang bang there's a big difference in the spike and crash with that as opposed to this stuff which is like a slow burn and that's also the same thing with eating fructose which you get from an apple or from an orange it's like you're getting it in a natural way and it's also it's sort of a natural reward system your body's getting this sweetness because you're you're ingesting all these nutrients like your body's it's letting you know ooh you feel that mouth pleasure good keep eating something stupid we need all that stuff you need the vitamin C we need the fiber we need the you know it's all good energy good good for your body as
opposed to this weird thing that we've invented where we figured out how to process sugar and pull it out of all these fruits and pull it out of corn and just shoot it right in your [ __ ] bloodstream I mean when you're eating that high fructose corn syrup I mean your body doesn't know what the [ __ ] you're doing like what is this how are you getting this never never before in the history of man were there these type of Franken foods but I mean even sugar cane where white F I mean have you ever actually eaten sugarcan I have when I lived in Florida a whole different experience it's delicious yeah but I mean you don't get that Rush right because it it's it's a fruit it's it's bound up with all the other uh nutrients and and and fibers and so forth that you get in a whole food as as opposed to a fractionated food yeah when I lived in Florida me and my friends used to cut sugar cane down there was like a sugarcane field near our house that was uh University of Florida in Gainesville um they had uh these I don't know why they had sugar cane just growing there but it wasn't like we were stealing it from anybody it was just growing there so we'd go and we' cut it down we just eat it and I guess it's not a fruit technically because a fruit you know it's something that grows on a plant you pluck it off the plant tomatoes a grass I believe maybe is that what it is yeah I think it's a grass like tomatoes technically a fruit right isn't that how it goes like it's considered a vegetable agriculturally it's considered a veget I believe it is a fruit like how it's taxed I think they considered a vegetable but it's a it's a fruit but um you know the the the diet I mean man seems to be able to adapt to any number of diets I don't know if youve ever heard of this guy Weston Price that went around the world um he was looking at indigenous people this was a time early in the 1900s when there was indigenous people still around and he was looking for signs of Health he was a dentist so you know tooth health is a very good indicator of a person's overall health if you have rotten teeth your general health is pretty poor I mean they've even linked gum disease to heart problems and you know all all that kind of stuff so he went all over the world he looking at every type of population
possible uh the Inu you know the Polynesians uh you know these different places and he came to the conclusion that man is is a very adaptable creature there's any number of diets that a human being can thrive on quite healthfully but the thing that seemed to be common place to all these people was the purity of the food the naturalness of the food the the freshness of the food and the the lack of stress in their diets and of course the exposure to sunlight and the vitamin D and so forth and I mean in his estimation the most magnificent of all the populations he studied were the Polynesians who were living primarily on a start based dot tarot and fish and coconut you were the first person to also set me hip to the idea of um suntanning for conditioning that suntanning the vitamin D levels get raised in your body and that you know like when George St Pierre would fight with a tan that there's that it's not for vanity like no no not at all it's uh the the tanning salons have gotten a bad wrap because people go in there and bake themselves just like people bake themselves in the regular salon but if you go in with the idea of not going for the tan per se but to convert vitamin D in the skin even if you're in a a place like Iceland for example where you don't even get sun half the year your body makes its own natural vitamin D and you just go in for a few minutes maybe uh four times a month and you your body will make all the vitamin D you need it's a very anabolic U nutrient uh it's absolutely essential for immunity and uh muscular growth and recovery and it's really important I had no idea that athletes actually would tan just to raise their natural levels of vitamin D and to Aid in their conditioning though a lot of people don't even know about it but uh vitamin D actually even has kind of a steroid like effect on on your body you know with u it's very anabolic D3 right D3 is the big one yeah we had Dr Ronda Patrick on who is uh just brilliant found my fitness is her name on uh on Twitter and we're having her on again soon fascinating fascinating woman who is uh just really brilliant and knows tremendous amount about the human body and it's just a great resource for us to be able to ask her questions about you know what does this and why does that work and what is this about how did
Carlos Gracie like he was the one who invented the Gracie diet these commentatory foods and how did he figure that out uh well you know there was another Brazilian writer that talked a lot about food combining I actually read a translation of his book and uh there was a lot of food combining people at the time it was fairly well known back in the early 1900s this Dr John tillon I told you about he wrote a book toxemia explained uh but there was also Dr Herbert M Sheldon who wrote uh uh food combining Made Easy it was fairly common knowledge to a lot of the uh nature paths and and and alternative medical people back in the day this is at a Crossroads where the medical establishment was beginning to take over and they were in In Cahoots with the big pharmaceutical industry and and they this is at the time when the the the drug companies were really beginning to develop a lot of vaccines and drugs and that's when the Western Medical model was all going towards the drug side and they they the uh the the chiropractors were getting pushed out and alternative people were being pushed out osteopathy U you know naturopaths and so forth but uh you know I've I've done a lot of uh reading and research on my own and uh I pretty much uh pulled away from Western Medical model and uh I I Tred to do things as natural as I can I haven't been to a doctor Joe in probably about 40 years so you don't ever get your blood work done or you just go based on how you feel and if you don't feel good what do you do about it like I fast really yeah yeah your body uh if you don't feel good you fast like if you're feeling like [ __ ] like oh man I feel like [ __ ] I'm just not going to eat anything well see in a fasting State your body it goes to the morbider disease tissues in the body in its wisdom it doesn't go to muscle bur that up yeah whoa your body is very wise so when you're not feeling well it's usually digestive system related in some way and putting more food and burdening your body people don't realize just what a burden digestion really is takes a lot out of you to digest food is that why people that have uh lower caloric diets or people that eat less generally live longer well for sure sure I mean in in many animal studies they found that by systematically underfeeding animals you
prolong their lives a really really long time you know Ronda Patrick uh who I just mentioned uh one of the things that she brought up was a study where they showed that it's it's actually a a genetic transference that people who have survived through famine their children actually live longer like the children of people who have had like less calories their their children actually have longer lives fans it's fascinating well if you look at animal husbandry you can your prize bull your prize stallion you know your stud dog they have relatively short life spans big muscular bull you know they they feed these animals they build a lot of mass they do not live very long at all it's because your system gets over taxed to maintain all that muscle you become inovated the the the the you know you only have but a finite amount of energy M and it it gets taxed you know that's a big debate the amount of muscle you should have as a martial artist that's a huge issue that comes up a lot um it comes up a lot in my own commentary because I find it fascinating there's certain guys like the guys like the hector Lombards or the Tyron Woodley these really muscular like abnormally muscular guys who are [ __ ] hell on wheels for a few minutes but they can't maintain like a guy like say you know like a Diego Sanchez a guy who's known for having fantastic but Diego's worn a lot of guys out in that third round the third round is where Diego is the scariest [ __ ] on Earth cuz he's just as fresh as he was in the first like look at Jake Ellenberger who's a natural welterweight brutal knockout puncher couldn't put Diego Away by the time the third round came along Diego's on his back pounded on him with when the last bell rang you know and that a lot of that can be attributed to his ability to keep up that same Pace that ruthless Pace doesn't have a a lot of muscle well a lot of it has to do with the type ofer nervous system you're born with whether it's an efficient nervous system or maybe not so efficient you know um you they call it neurological efficiency guys with neurological efficiency are able to use a lot of their muscle fiber all at once so they're like power guys and guys that are don't have neurological efficiency they usually
have a high anerobic endurance level they just can go and go and go at a fairly high percentage isn't that fascinating like less efficient yeah so they have less power they have less power but they can go well hor was a perfect example the guy had unbelievable endurance but he you know he didn't have a lot of fast twitched muscle fiber he he was not a power guy yeah and that's not something that you can change is it is like can you take a guy that's an inborn thing so a guy like a you know like a Kevin randomman never going to be a triathlete never never never never just like most guys are never going to be Kevin brandlein you know and all this idea that you can do Olympic lifting and do selective recruitment of muscle fiber that's that's a lot of nonsense man I I've been in this game for a long time man I've never seen that you mean you've never seen someone who's like got that ectomorphic sort of explosively to make you more explosive on the mat it's it's a it's a big mistake doesn't do anything I mean it must improve it in some well I mean any strength training no matter how God awful is going to improve especially beginners but as you become more advanced man that explosive weight training does more harm than good take it for to a guy 61 that's had every injury in the in in the book have you had um have you had disc injuries have you have neck I what have you done to fix those uh I I did a lot of inversion training uh you know I I used to hang upside down a lot I do that you know I like that a lot I of course my raer helped me a lot I've had acupuncture to release some of that tension and in the muscle uh I I've done some kind of uh other interesting stuff I um I believe in the power of the subconscious mind to heal the body I do a lot of uh visualization and prayer and lit literally uh image myself getting better I believe that your your mind and your subconscious mind is in control of every cell in the body and that if you can uh get rid of any disbeliefs you your your higher mind can actually influence healing in your body wow that's super unscientific but bold of you to talk about well you know because you're a fairly scientific guy there's a lot there's a lot we don't know there's a very interesting book out right now I'd
encourage your readers to or your listeners to check it out it's called The Healing code they talk a lot about how healing code the healing code who wrote that do you know uh let me see Johnson a guy by the name of John there's an MD and a PhD that actually wrote the book and they they talk about it in in the relationship to like physics and and and and and how belief systems absolutely uh affect molecules well they absolutely affect so many different aspects of your body and for anyone who doubts that the placebo effect is measurable I mean the placebo effect is nothing more than your brain thinking that it's got the Cure so it reacts as if it's got the Cure and then things get better I mean measurable amounts uh yeah I mean it's amazing like how many Studies have shown the bbo effect it all comes down to belief system and believing yourself and believing that you have the power to heal I mean you know I I don't know whether you're religious or not but I mean you know you hear about the Miracles of Christ and you hear the Miracles of other prophets and so forth I mean you know it's documented that a lot of these things happen I don't I don't buy into anything that's old when it comes to documentation of certain acts because it's so difficult to find out what the [ __ ] actually happened I find religious texts to be fascinating and enlightening in a lot of ways I think you could learn a lot about what they learned about wisdom what they learned about the correct path to living a happy healthy life but a lot of those principles you know the golden rules the of of Christianity of Islam of a lot of different religions they they essentially comes down to wisdom Life Lessons Learned over long periods of time but then translated into sort of some sort of a weird me metaphysical deity connection that gets a little sketchy you know with like you know Christ rising from the dead and all this stuff it's like boy what really happened you're you're talking about thousands of years of stories and over a thousand years years before anybody wrote anything down you know stories over the camp most the most the the things that were written down were several centuries after the fact so yeah I I agree but I I have um there the
during the uh late 1800s early 1900s there was a movement in the United States and through Europe called the new thought where people began to realize that thoughts are things it's an energy form and that you when when you think things and especially when you say things you're actually putting energy into action it's the Law of Attraction so you're basically attracting what you're putting out I mean that's been long understood in physics you that's that's basically you know what what uh Einstein was talking about and what way was he talking about that well for every action there's a reaction if you're putting out negative thinking negative statements you can only attract same it's virtually impossible for any good to come from bad well it's funny how it's that sounds so simplistic but for anybody very simplistic but anybody who doubts that run into people that go oh [ __ ] nothing good ever happens to me those people you're right nothing good ever happens to you that's you know you have they have this mindset and then you run into people that say Hey you know we're going to work through this we're going to figure it out and it's this is only going to make us better and stronger let's keep pushing forward those people seem to always prosper and I don't know whether or not luck is involved I don't know whether or not it's all just your attit ude but I do know that the people that have that great attitude I feel better when I'm around them and it's it empowers me and I feel like it enables me to also spread that empowerment onto other folks well it's a whole energy you know it's like guys oh I can't afford this I can't afford that you're right you can't it's like going into a fight and you already thought you lose you're going to lose man no fighter goes into a fight believing that he's going to lose the fight or if he does go in he's pretty much going to get his ass K right that said if you're some guy who's not very good but you've got this crazy belief in yourself and you fight joh [ __ ] Jones you're still going to get your ass kicked it only works up to a certain point it only works up to a certain point because then there's other factors that come into play yeah there's a lot of fact the the the the positive belief system has to be grounded in
reality yes right obviously if I you know if somehow I could be convinced that I could fly and I jump off this building I'm going to go Splat yeah and the the the you know people that are into like the secret will tell you you didn't really believe yeah well may who knows man you know I I've uh my belief system doesn't go past a certain point but maybe that's my limiting factor but I do know when it comes to the body you have an amazing capacity for self-healing and I I've actually undergone it with my own body well the people that really truly believe that we are in some way or another the vehicle of God that is their that's sort of what they point to that we manifest our reality with our own mind and our own intent and with our own actions and our own thoughts and that as we grow and as we evolved and and as we get stronger and stronger with our Consciousness and our ability to understand this that we enact those Powers more freely more consciously and uh that that our intent truly does create the very Universe around us it sounds a little ridiculous but then when you start and think what how much of an effect human beings have on the environment how how much of an effect human beings have on Earth and when you stop and think about all the bad things that go on on Earth whether it's war or pollution well what is that it's like there's this there's a lack of attention and a lack of intent on the important aspects of harmonious relationships with your environment whether it's with people or let's take like just one small example of like how my belief system works about this uh there's this one thing called the accumulation mindset I call it uh I work online with people on fat loss programs and when you really look at their lifestyle they're into this accumulation mode of just buying and amassing all this stuff I've been in some people's homes where the shelves are just littered with stuff they never use or or or don't need you know they they just have so much stuff the attic is full of stuff the garage is full of stuff but they keep buying more and more adding adding adding adding their bodies reflect this type of belief system and for sure they're adding more cells under
their body indulgent just indulgent you know and then they find themselves overe eting eating more than their fair share of the natural resources of the universe taking more in I mean it's just like this whole belief system in accumulation like I need to add I need to add it's all subconscious of course no one goes into it you know yeah I have that are overweight and when I watch them sometimes eat I almost see like a person who's like consuming a drug you know you see them like they know they shouldn't have it but they're like [ __ ] it give it to me ah relief you know and I don't know what it is whether it's a distraction from their own mortality whether it's just some sort of a weird hitch in the system of the the the way the Mind interacts with the world like it's just too much stress and too many variables and they need something to tr sort of inject them out of that so they focus and entirely on an ice cream sunday knowing that they shouldn't even have it go [ __ ] it we're going to have it anyway and so by doing that you sort of block off all your awareness and just funnel that stuff down your [ __ ] pie hole until you're it's like an addiction to the pleasure senses of the body you know you get like that little drug like response in the brain for a moment in time you know right when you when you eat this kind of stuff and so you get like that little chemical reward that the brain puts out for having like this big thing of sugar or whatever you know get that rush but then that's quickly replaced with either disgust or self-loathing yes but it sets up another cycle because now you get depressed again but you need that little brain reward and man it can be pretty tough it really parallels with gambling addiction right yeah well I mean certain addiction is very very common I mean if you think about it you can kick cigarettes you can kick most drugs it's cigarettes are tough for most people one of the toughest things to give up is that nicotine but any drug you can give up you can get off alcohol all those things right but you don't need those things but you do need to eat food addiction is very common and it's the toughest one to give up because you can ever not eat that's a very good point it's a very good way of putting it I don't know I
don't think I've ever heard anybody put it that way that's such an important way to describe it cuz you're always going to you know it's like if you were a heroin addict and you go okay I can't just shoot up until I pass out I'm just going to shoot a little bit there keep me keepy happy yeah I mean that's really simp you need it you need food if you don't and if you're addicted to food and you need food yeah I've had friends that lost a lot of weight and they look great like oh you look great you lost all this weight and you know a year later so easy to do well think of it as a species our survival depended on our ability to lay down a rapid lay of body fat we were programmed to overeat and eat as much as possible because food was not very prevalent right now in this modern society with food you know so easily to get I mean our genetics actually work against us right that's probably like why sex addiction exists as well too like you're it was hard for human beings to breed and even harder for them to stay alive so it was imperative that we breed as much as possible to spread the population as far as possible and so that that pleasure reward system that's in in place to make sure that you keep breeding just throw there's a hiup gets thrown into it when you inject it into modern society where you don't really have as many issues about breeding but you still have this genetic impulse to constantly need to to [ __ ] and spread your seed yeah stuff your face breed but I don't get the gambling one the gambling one's a weird one right where where the hell did that one come from well that's still a brain reward you know you get that Rush that excitement you know but why why I guess to take risks and the rewards of well these guys need to get out and do a sport and replace it with that but instead they get it from the the rush of you know putting it all in the line but you know well I mean think of like some of the adrenaline sports like rock climbing some of these crazy dudes like climbing without safety harnesses or Alex hanold we had him on the podcast we had the died the one kid uh the the one free climber just died recently but that's just one I don't know who died uh there was a guy that was written in outside magazine they did a little tribute to
this guy I hope it's not Alex I hope I would have heard if Alex died cuz he's the the craziest of all of them we had him on the podcast he's the most mellow kid ever but think about the bass jumping there's two crazy dudes that jumped off that Tower in Dubai you know that's some but that's the type of you know adrenaline rush but you know like guys like you and me we get that going on the mat yeah you know yeah yeah that's I think that is a big thing the pushing yourself and the the the reward of and that's the difference between a martial art as well really in my opinion the difference in jiujitsu as opposed to all the other martial arts cuz I I enjoyed kickboxing and I enjoyed Taekwondo I enjoyed uh competing I I certainly got a lot out of it it certainly shaped me as a man but I never felt good when I knock somebody out I always felt weird the to the body wasn't that bad it didn't bother me that much but man when I when I would head kick guys and watched them fold it was a terrible feeling pretty sickening I've never enjoyed it I never felt good and even worse when you get head kicked yeah way worse I got lucky I I got stopped only once in my entire career and it was a kickboxing bout and it was more out of exhaustion than anything it was the third fight in in the night I I I won my first one by KO I won my second one it was uh went two were two a two round off both of them were two it was cuz you fought three times in a night so there were two round fights so first one I won by KO second one was just uh I kicked the guy's ass but then I had a long period of break between the second fight and the third and I was just [ __ ] exhausted and I was kind of sick too and then uh I got hit with a left hook in the second round my my legs just gave out but I was conscious it was nothing bad it was like and that was the last fight I had and I was in the middle of like doing comedy and competing at the same time I was saying you know what if I can get out of this with think about all the [ __ ] that I did to people if I can get out of it with just one left hook to the face cuz my instinct initially was I'm not going out on a loss [ __ ] that I'm coming back I'm going to find that guy I'm going to beat the [ __ ] out of them and my initial Instinct was to start training like a [ __ ]
madman abandoned comedy but that was emotional within a week or two I sort of realized I have a different common sense that's it I realized I had a different goal too that I I changed the way I train and I wasn't training like I was when I was younger and when I was completely obsessed with competition now I had all these different requirements I was now no longer living with my parents now I was feeding myself and I was working and I was worried about my future I I was like what am I going to do for a living like what am I doing here I'm teaching there's not much money in that and like what am I do I'm going be a kickboxer and get [ __ ] brain damage so there all these very so I was terrified that I was going to run into me when I was 19 it was just psycho that just trained constantly and lived at home and didn't have many bills and just every day get up and run Hills and stairs and just all I was thinking of was I got to do things that other people aren't doing cuz that way I'll win you know and I wasn't doing that anymore so I kind of recognized it so I was like if I can get away with one loss like that like that kind of loss we're good because I didn't want anybody kicking me the way I kicked people I just [ __ ] I've seen it happen to friends too like good friend like my friend Larry he when we were like um he was a little bit older than me I think I was 18 we went to this tournament and uh he fought this Canadian national champion this guy named Jersey long and he got hit with an axe Kick In The Head and I'll never forget it I'll never forget watching this guy whip his leg up like more than a split and slam that heel down on my friend's face and he just crumpled and I was like that is just not something I ever want to happen to me that's a pretty brutal way to make a living and when you do it to somebody it doesn't feel good when you choke someone out and Jiu-Jitsu and they tap it doesn't feel bad at all no you know I mean it's a different thing yeah you're not hurting them I've never broke anybody's arm I mean I've never in in in class I've never I mean I've seen guys get injured you know accidentally knees blow out and stuff like that but it's always an accident it's never you know never an intentional thing at least on my behalf so I never felt bad about it so I got
all that the competition the thrill the energy the excitement all the the charge the adrenaline without any of the Bad Karma feelings that you get from kicking somebody you know because there's something about you know that kind of competition where you have to put almost you have to put your Humanity aside in order to to compete in in a mixed martial arts or in that's why I tell people like when people come to me for advice about fighting well I'm thinking about fighting well stop right there cuz if you're just thinking about it don't [ __ ] do it don't do it okay if you if you have to be completely obsessed and if you're not completely obsessed you're going to fight someone who is and you're going to get [ __ ] killed think about someone who's not completely obsessed fighting vanderlay Silva in his prime just imagine that okay and then do you want that to happen to you no then don't do it but if you want to be vanderlay Silva if that's your destiny then do it but unless that's your destiny unless that is you and I don't know what the [ __ ] any I don't know what makes someone want to be a folk singer I don't get it I don't understand someone has it in their head to get up every morning and do Mac and that's what they want to do that that I would never discourage it but you must have that in your head if you want to be a fighter you have to only have that in your head if you have anything in your head any doubts if you have any problem with giving people concussions get out don't do it because you're going to run into I don't believe in dabbling and fighting it's like people you cannot do it no it's uh like you say the the risk to benefit ratio of that type of activity it's just it's just terrible so when you've had injuries and you have done what you say is uh prayer and meditation and focusing what is the process do you put yourself in a certain particular State when you're trying to heal something like how do you go about doing it there was a really famous uh uh guy by the name of Neville Goddard who uh wrote about the power of visualization a lot of it has to do with visualization visualizing yourself as as whole as being well uh you know there's like a like there a you know we all born with this perfect DNA blueprint but then we get skewed somehow as we get older or
through injuries and so forth so I try to visualize like being like that that perfect little kid that had full mobility and ability to move and so forth and there's a step-by-step process you you literally generate the feeling of being that Fighters do this all the time you know they or or great athletes like U you know like a John mackenro or somebody you know they they they able they have this power to visualize themselves in certain situations and prevailing or or winning and I mean in in all walks of life you well I certainly know people use visualization whether they know it or not even if they're unconscious of it they're still using it yeah there's certain folks that just they have super confident and they I only see myself winning but there's other folks like I know Frank Shamrock talked about that a lot that he used to go through he was a a big proponent of visualization and when he was in his prime and he would go through all these different scenarios and see himself winning go through all these different scenar a lot of people you know don't give Frank Shamrock enough credit like back in the day Frank was the original well-balanced mixed martial artist I mean he was a fantastic fighter I never forget that match he had with Zenovia man that was w man yeah that was a quick one you know that was a crazy slam and he broke his collar bone and [ __ ] him up I it just that devastating doublea pickup throw he did was like Wow Frank was an animal yeah how about you know when he beat Kevin Jackson with that armar in Japan to win the title no you know or the time he beat uh uh who was the the bad boy uh T Ortiz T Ortiz cardio and not only that he was way smaller than T and you know he used Jiu-Jitsu he basically was repeatedly taken down by Tito Ortiz used the guard as good as any jiit guy I've ever seen we get back to his feet Tito got tired taking him down and he couldn't do anything with him because he used beautiful guard work I was shocked at how good his Jiu-Jitsu was well that was an important fight for MMA as well because that was an important fight where people understood the benefit and the not the need for cardio because Frank had tremendous cardio Frank was also training with morce Smith who was a
huge huge cardio fiend Maurice would swim he was an animal you just get he would put those weird paddle things on your hands and just do lap after lap and that's how he wound up beating Mark Coleman same strategy Mark Coleman took him down over and over again Maurice defended while he was on the bottom and then eventually got up and he was fresh still because his cardio was so good Mark was exhausted then Maurice started kicking the [ __ ] out of his legs you know Maurice implied that strategy applied rather that strategy many times and you know I think Frank learned a lot from Maurice in that respect too but that fight was a big when you think about how how young MMA was back then I mean when did he fight Tito was that 96 or something like that somewhere around there yeah it was really in the early days really in the early days so three or four years into the UFC no it must have been after 96 because I was there for Tito's first fight which was 97 I was there um uh Wes Alberton I think he fought he came in as an alternate I was there I interviewed him I think he was 19 at the time and uh and he won in that fight and then he got submitted by Guy Meer he guy Meer caught him in a guillotine and then um he went on to uh when he fought Frank Shamrock after that fight he became a cardio machine cardio machine and he taught a lot of guys that like when I talked to Kendall Grove after Kendall did Tom in The Ultimate Fighter came out like a much improved fighter and one of the thing that he said to me Kendall said I learned from Tito that cardio is everything you know these guys learn so we saw that that growth you know we saw these guys learning like sure involved as a sport well you know I I don't know if I ever told you this but I was one of the original investors in the UFC my ex-wife DC Maxwell yes H and Gracie put that first UFC together in a Sho string budget in Denver wow and he was going around to all his friends and we were all kicking in a little bit of money and you know I had a little extra money saved up I I actually had a retirement account as a school teacher and I had some money sitting in the bank I said sure and so he went to like a whole bunch of different people put it together in a Sho string and thus was born that first UFC and he wanted to use
it as a showcase to show the superiority of Jiu-Jitsu or basically what happens to you if you don't know how to fight in the ground and then he picked the most unlikely guy because he could had Hixon who was just a stud but he was afraid that people say well that's hickon look at the physique look at the athleticism he wanted to pick Hoy who was a really nice kid pretty thin wasn't particularly strong he was perfect guy to showcase the technique of shitsu there's also what I had heard was that he he couldn't control Hixon and that he didn't like that Hixon hi wild man yeah he's his own man you know I mean he wasn't going to tell him what to do man and Hoy was a very young naive kid and you know he's pretty yeah he he pretty much listened to what Horan told him to do and it just makes it amazing what he did in this first UFC's but the big difference was the no gloves mhm everyone was breaking their hands yep and I'm telling you you take the gloves off you would still see wrestlers and Jiu-Jitsu guys win almost every fight but for the average audience I think it would be boring I they want to see the spectacular Knockouts and you know you're not going to get the spectacular Knockouts with the bare fist like you would with those gloves man you would with knees and uh you kicks though for sure Muay Thai is Advanced tremendously though we had Orlando V who's like one of the the best early guys Striker guys who's a really highlevel kickboxer who in early UFC's but um I I agree with you you wouldn't see nearly as much punching to the face you your hands break all guys would have to do is just duck their head down you hit their forehead you know if you want to punch me in the forehead [ __ ] go ahead go for that used to be hi strategy and uh self-defense you know he just like headbutt the hand and yeah it's pretty much done man but the other thing too was with the no time limit thing that they had back in those days you know where you just go and go that that was very terrifying for a lot of guys like oh my God you know I feel my gas going and people are just literally you can't recover Panic yeah there's no sitting on a stool ice bag on the back of your neck have a sip of water someone's picking your feet up relaxing your legs none of that you know you just got a [ __ ] Mark Curr on top
of you dropping elbows in your face they had the hair pulling they had the punching to the testicles I mean I mean it was it really was and that it really is amazing what Hoy accomplished when you think about that the guy fought three or four times in one night gee it's impossible underestimate to underemphasize it I mean or or overemphasize it what what an amazing thing he accomplished it really truly is and that fight he had with Matt use that wasn't the same H Gracie you know I mean that was pretty much him past his Prime in addition to wearing gloves and not wearing the ghee I mean it was just everything I I know he must have felt incredibly uncomfortable in that particular fight you know well he was also fighting a monster and Matt use as a monster and he was fighting a monster at 175 lbs he didn't want to lose the weight so he let Matt Hughes be even [ __ ] bigger and Matt Hughes is a goddamn gorilla and has really good jiujitsu Matt Hughes out jiujitsu him I mean that was the thing about what Matt Hughes did to him in that fight he took Ho's [ __ ] back flatten him out was pounding on him the fight ended with Matt Hughes having both of his hooks in on top of him he in classy jiu jitu but hoist did the guys thousands of times he was a gorilla Matt Hughes back then was a gorilla he had these neck muscles like you look at the back of his neck it's like he's got two Kil basas not even kilbas like what are those little really fat salamis you know that go from the the base of the spine outward towards the traps he's such a [ __ ] animal with good technique with good technique great technique by the way and some of the guy some of his sparring partners I saw like a video clip it was like a who's who of like high level Jiu-Jitsu guys and he was more than handling his in in the in the Jiu-Jitsu room yeah and he'd already been through scraps with guys like BJ Penn he had trained on a regular basis with you know really really high level guys both at Pat milites and other gym you know I mean he had guys to train with him on on he's just he was constantly around guys that were like really really high level and he was being pushed in title fights he was being pushed in like and hoist had been
out of the game for quite a while but boy did that sell you know everybody wanted to see it everyone wanted to say it but it to me it was U it was kind of sad it was well you know hoist was real a hero to me you know I just hated to see because people sort of underminded him I see uh UFC is uh uh become so much more sophisticated and look those old ones you can never hang with these guys that's that's not true at all man it was just well it would have been really interesting to see Hoy in his prime with a ghe versus Matt Hughes that would have been really interesting fight yeah it would have been interesting but it's also you got to realize that one of the reasons why Matt Hughes was so good is that Matt Hughes had benefited from all the lessons that we had all learned from ho from ho entering into UFC 1 UFC 2 and then of course Jeremy Horn who was training all the time with Matt who was a huge student of the game and one of the most technical guys like Jeremy Horn is a perfect example because Jeremy is a really smart guy no ego who has a body that is just it's there's nothing super powerful or unusually athletic nothing extra long about him just excellent technique and intelligence and you know he worked a lot with Matt Matt got to you know learn a lot of techniques from him the BJ Penn fights of course BJ Penn Mundial Champion one of the best Jiu-Jitsu guys ever best guys ever and so he Matt had you know the the game passed ho up you know things had changed and his body wasn't the same it became yeah it became a real Bonafide sport I think those early early UFC's were pretty much like real fights like street fight yeah you know you know how they used to try out for this is crazy man I was actually CAU into the ballroom by Horan One time they had guys trying out for the UFC in the ballroom they' get hilan Gracie and they would have a couple other Gracie family they would put on uh knee pads and fight in these hotel ballrooms whoa yeah to see fight spare knuckle they would just go man wow it was like oh my God to find out if a guy's any good you like those old gracian action to find out if the guy was any good you know well you know the early ultimate fighters you know they have they would have a guy they had guys fighting the early ultimate fighters
that had no fights zero and they would get those guys and they would have them hit the pads they'd have a guy hold the tie pads for him okay guy got some striking technique then have him roll a little bit okay looks like he can roll get in there and then they put him on The Ultimate Fighter I mean there's quite a few guys that they had that did that ear timate of course as the show evolved like all things now you're getting guys like Hall they come into the ultimate fighter already a killer you know just lighting guys on fire when they get in there fascinating fascinating to be a part of the evolution of all that really and you know the training is really evolved too I was going to ask you about that well let's let's talk for example about you mentioned muscularity and strength how muscular do you need to be to be a fighter question right well obviously it's a weight class Sport and you want to be as light as possible and as strong as absolutely possible so absolute strength is pretty important there's a fixed ratio between absolute strength and muscular endurance strength there's a fixed ratio so if you increase your ability to lift a really heavy weight one time your endurance with a lighter weight is going to also improve let's say you manage to build from 80 lounds to 100 lb in a bicep curl and prior to that you could take 50 pounds and maybe you could do 10 when you go from your 80 to your 100 lb curl your ability to if you went back to that same 50 lbs that you could do 10 you probably do about 13 or 14 reps now so there's a fixed ratio between strength and muscular endurance that's interesting so if you do chinups like say if you can do I can do 20 chin-ups that's pretty remarkable but that's always been like an amazing standard well you kind of a stud I always tell people listen I learned a lot from you um but if I did it with a weight belt you know like um like a dip belt and like a barbell or a dumbbell plate underneath it yes that would probably make my my chinups better it would so I could probably get to my ultimate goal I want to be able to do 30 straight arm chinups like all the way down which which one's a chin up like this way is way Pal's face that's the way I always do it cuz I feel like that's more
applicable to Jiu-Jitsu you don't really choke anybody like this unless you're doing a ghee choke but I don't really like G chokes when I use the ghee I don't I don't use the ghee like I I I use the ghee for I I roll with the G I have a black belt in the G but my my game is completely defensive with the ghee like I I um I do the same techniques over hooks underhooks I I do you know the same type of Jiu-Jitsu I go for chokes and arm bars I don't try to collar choke people very rarely I do the clock choke every now and then the same one that uh valigi caught hoist with put him to sleep with that's a beautiful choke that's a beautiful choke cuz I love the spin underneath it's such a ninja move but but if if you think about it like you know the old saying was it's not the grips it's the hips and really TP practitioners in both ghe and nogee a lot of times the game is virtually the same solo for example or shanji the the game is pretty much the same with ghe without ghee right they don't overly depend on grips there's so many guys though that do and Ian we used to see that in the UFC these guys who are Mundial Champion high level ghee guys but they relied so much on spider guard so much on grabbing the sleeves so much on yeah like that [ __ ] [ __ ] is gone when everybody's sweaty when you got a sweaty guy in his underwear on top you dropping elbows on your face and he happens to be a wrestler so he knows how to Grapple and how to use his way keep you Pinn down reaching for [ __ ] that's not there instead of you know underhooks and you know over Hooks and controlling the body use the body and not the the the jacket well that's what Eddie Bravo always uh emphasized that like so many of the techniques of jiujitsu that these people relied on and trained on a regular basis they just weren't applicable you know he was like do you see Judo guys training Greco Roman to get better at Jud actually the the uh the youi the three-time world Greer Roman wrestling champion his Judo Game and his Greer Roman wrestling game were virtually identical so he did both the same way yeah so it was sort of the same idea he was a huge underhook man ah you did not want to get in his once he had that underhook it wasn't a matter if you're going to be thrown just a matter of when and it was terrifying experience
I I was on the receiving end of the guy was like brutal well when you see the guys that are like really good at Jud and they can apply it to MMA it's so beautiful like Hector Lumbard did you see Hector Lumbard versus Jake Shields that was quite a magnificent match oh the way he threw him though and who was that Korean Judo guy in Pride that was just tossing dudes the uh Korean Judo guy yeah there was the guy that won the gold medal from Korea that was just magnificent throws it was in one of the Japanese show yosa you talking about Yoshida but he was a Japanese guy watch medalist it was uh it was another Japanese show I just remember watching it and just watching this jro guy I really was akiyama was it akiyama man you akiyama was a judo guy he he was pretty high L Korean yeah gold medalist in the Olympics I think ayama was like half Korean and half half Japanese I'm not sure magnificent he really turn he took the Judo and really turned it into quite a fighting art without the geeek it's really fun to watch wish I could remember the show but I was hoping you'd remember yeah I'm well if you said his name i' enyclopedia for this stuff man I don't have any other sports in my head I have uh jiujitsu uh kickboxing and MMA that's all I have in my head but you ask me some football questions I'll stare at you but let's go back to strength training and conditioning well there there's a point of diminishing returns where getting stronger is not going to improve your performance anymore in order to get stronger past a certain point you have to almost become a strength specialist and this is where a lot of guys get mixed up they they start training like a powerlifter or Olympic weight lifter big mistake the majority of your time should be going into improving your skill set that's the single most important thing when it comes to endurance now you know we talk about cardio and gas right the absolute best way to get your cardio and gas at a high level is to wrestle or to do MMA the problem is a lot of these guys are so good they have no one to push their gas for example I trained shanj Barrow the the year he won uh Abu Dhabi in Barcelona and he took second in the open division he heard his shoulder in the
finals but he won his division he was so good that there was no one in the room to push him man I mean this guy is like so good so Elite J I had I had to I had to to to pre-exhaust him before he would trained I put him through growing circuits and such to really you know bring his cardio up and get him really tired before he would roll before he'd roll so so that even an average dude can give him a hard time so now I have no juice left I got to use pure technique in order to be able to do what I do that's fascinating so that when he could roll when he was fresh it was probably a real treat oh yeah I mean it was play in fact he I was actually in Osa Norway at the time when he won he texted me and it was one of the nicest things anyone ever said he says coach I didn't even get tired at all and it was like yes the strategy really really worked well you come up with some brutal workouts man I still have those suspension things that you gave me those uh but normally normally you wouldn't need those type of brutal workouts if you're getting high level competition on the mat it almost be would be too much it push you towards overtraining that's interesting so like a guy like Fedor like or Fodor however you want to say it if you want to be correct um he in his at his best stopped all the strength and conditioning training and all he would do is fight specific training pretty much Sports specific training which was always the Russian model uh I I do believe that you do need to keep your absolute strength up you do need to lift weights a couple times a week just to keep you know fairly heavy weight low rep but don't tax yourself use it sort of as a tonic and then really push yourself in the gym to get your hard rolls on to develop your sports specific conditioning because let's face it all the rope skipping running ker swings stairs it isn't the same as getting on the map right it's slightly different Energy Systems you're using your muscles different firing patterns and yes okay if you don't have someone to push you in the gym yes this stuff is one way to do it but it's not the ideal way because most MMA guys let's face it it's it's like a full-time profession man you're doing your wrestling you're doing your kickboxing or boxing or whatever you're
doing your jiujitsu my God that's three disciplines it's like the tri being a triath triathlete you know yeah you have to equally divide up I found too that being when you get injured and then come back it's always horrifying like the the like if I it would uh like tore my my NE miniscus I had it scoped and then I was out for a couple months and then come back and you're just like oh death you know like couple minutes in you're just a dead man and one of the ways that I mitigated that was Kettle Bill training oh yeah I mean when you're hurt or you have injuries or you don't have people to push you in the gym there are ways that you can very closely simulate the energy systems that you would use in actual grappling it's never as good as actual grappling and or kickboxing or whatever it really cuz you're forced to react to the other person which you're not when you're training so even when you're pushing hard you're still pushing hard at your pace you're not reacting to someone else's pace and relaxing and breathing while you're reacting to someone else's pact that's the big one and the other thing like I had mentioned I wasn't real big fan of like Olympic lifting you know Olympic lifts are very technical very amazing athletic feet basically you're basically throwing a Barbo over your head and jumping underneath it simultaneously that's what Olympic lifting is very specific movement pattern has nothing to do with martial arts you know when's the last time you saw anyone lift something over their head right in in martial arts very rarely you know tank Abit trying to throw somebody out of the cage and the skills required to Olympic lifter really high level I mean these guys are amazing athletes in their own right but becoming an Olympic lifter is not going to make you better on the mat it just isn't the the the more uh skill level an exercise takes the higher the skill the less care of or value to anything else that's why you want to keep your workouts fairly General fairly simple like your chin-ups fantastic care over to any martial art because it's very general it's no skill you pull yourself up or you don't you really develop a tremendous amount of strength and in your case strength endurance so deadlifts squats cleans yeah so one I got from you is all
alternating cleans I love that one with kettle bells yeah with kettle bells that's one of myv barbell clean fan only because of the way it can affect your back in a really negative way you mess up a a Barb out clean you can really screw your your uh your lower back let's face it what we do on the mat is dangerous enough in the ring in the mat it's pretty dangerous yeah already so I don't need to make my workouts you know I don't need to include traumatic type exercises like that right I only use uh barbells or uh yeah barbells I only use it for bench press and um I try not to do that too much um but I will if I don't have someone there with me to help me spot cuz it's hard to do individual kettle bells with uh with bench press or or for deadlifts no I mean the bar is made for deadlifts and bench pressing that's what a bar bell is for kettle bells or for swings pretty much getups you know body weight training of course any kind of pull up or chin up uh obviously dips and push-ups and things are fantastic you know right tool for the right thing there you know some people get really hung up on K Bells only but hey look it's just one tool in the box man they're good but you know there's plenty of other good but it doesn't simulate chinups right there's a lot of things that K don't simulate there's no uh U vertical pulling in uh in kabot training so ideally you would do your general strength Runing and then you get on the mat and you get your conditioning need met in the mat and the ring so you would say that if someone was like a highlevel Jiu-Jitsu guy and you were looking to just maintain strength or get stronger you almost wouldn't do conditioning with weights you would almost do like heavy weights low repsy strength work Low Reps so like you would take like maybe like two 70 lb kettle bells and do like alternate cleans you know do some reps swings heavy turkeys get up some some chin maybe a 90 lb kettle bell with two hands for swings exacty low rep work you know and not worry so much about developing strength endurance or cardio with the weights so you're just trying to get strong with the weight trying to get strong as you can for your weight guys now if you need to hypertrophy you need to change the Reps a little bit if you need to armor up let's say I've been
working a guy that might be playing NFL football he needs to put on some muscle it's going to be a slightly different protocol right but we're you know we're specifically talking like MMA and and um weight class sports like Jiu-Jitsu and so for and Hyper hypertrophy that's I've always seen that word muscular increase in muscular size okay there are some people that need that and the way to get that is just heavy Low Reps right more moderate reps reps yeah the most important factor there is what they call tall time underload you need to have your muscles under a certain uh tension for specific time that seems to be the most in fact important factor to uh increase muscular what do you do you believe in slow lifting do you know that uh that style of lifting especially for people that have been injured like yourself and myself uh it could be a very good Training tool I I do a lot of slow rep work with myself because I have had some trauma to my shoulders and my neck and my back over the years you know you don't you don't do 43 years of Combat Sports without paying the price yeah last time we worked out together you were having some real shoulder problems did that get did that get better uh it did not it hasn't got worse wow this just still [ __ ] with you but uh yeah well I I developed some osteoarthritis in the shoulder mostly from just doing silly stuff you know snatches look into this regenicin stuff man it's fantastic for that man you really should it's it's fantastic for that um you're not a fan of C of CrossFit not at all uh for one thing there's not one Elite athlete anywhere in the world that actually uses CrossFit as the model the second thing the second problem I have with Crossfit Greg Glassman the guy that invented it it's it's it's it's no secret that he's very fat an obese [ __ ] basically who doesn't even train what kind of system is it when the inventor of the system is not a good example of what he's putting out there that's crazy right I don't know who the guy is that invented okay well can we see him pull him up Jamie you know the uh and of course then the other thing is that's him get the [ __ ] out of here no way would you now would you listen to him or would you listen to me well I'd listen to you anyway but no
no but I mean okay listen uh you don't need to look like a men's health fitness model to be an you know you know like Fedor look at Fedor not you know not yeah I mean he looked like like someone's dad that someone went in the bar and said hey do you want to fight and you know pulled him off the bar store and you I mean for sure if the best physique uh was what determined who was going to win bodybuilders would win every fight but that just doesn't happen but for sure you want to be an example you certainly don't want to be like overweight and see if you can find some other pictures of him I mean maybe caught him on a bad day maybe he was bloated he ate some ate some pastries some kazon or something yeah that's what the guy looks like that is it's [ __ ] crazy why I have to tell you come on that's really him there was a major University study on CrossFit right and for sure it improved people's Fitness levels they got improved V2 Max which is a measure of your ability to process oxygen they got stronger they lost body fat but when the study was looked at closely 20% of the people involved with the CrossFit dropped out due to injury that means like if I'm a gym owner one out of every five of my clients is getting hurt and I'm losing the client that's insane man wow one out of every five because proper training for athletics is supposed to prevent injuries not cause injuries if you're hurting yourself in the gym with your supplementary training dude you you got to go to a new model man well who was that major CrossFit guy that just got paralyzed Jamie pull that up if you can there's a guy who was in the CrossFit it was like the CrossFit Games and he was you know know a major star of CrossFit and I don't know what exercise he was doing but he dropped the bar on himself or something and broke his back these horror stories all the time Joe Eddie if who was a buddy of mine he jumped like someone shot him CrossFit athletes was left paralyzed after having his spine severed by a dropped barbell oh my God so there once again risk to benefit ratio of the exercises and so many of these guys they're they're competing in exercise how the hell do you compete in exercise well I had a com convers with a guy who was on is that him right there
we dropped it on him pictures of it it's not a video but oh my God oh my God it's falling on his neck ah take it off man oh my God pretty pretty screwed up man oh my God it just fell on his oh [ __ ] but but think about this for a minute I oh my God don't don't play the video if I was to say to you right now hey let's do some push-ups we would use good form and good technique right we'd really be working for the true purpose of EX ex is to give a stimulus to our muscles so we get stronger right our body adapts right but if I said hey man I bet you 20 bucks right now I could do more push-ups than you you think we'd be doing good reps after a while the for form a good right out the window because we want to compete with each other that's the insanity of competing in exercise and that's what CrossFit does so exercise really should only be to benefit sport like your initial impulse to get into exercise in the first place exactly you to make you a better athlete to increase your performance the CrossFit people need to get the [ __ ] out of there and start getting out in the mat and do some real competition because let's face it everything every kind of sport is a sublimation of man's desire to wage war why not really do war and do mono mon combat that's what I'm talking about Steve Maxwell yeah I had a kid on Fear Factor once that was a CrossFit uh animal kid was in serious shape his girlfriend was a crossfitter too they were both like [ __ ] really fit and I was like dude what do you what do you get out of it and he's like you know I just love competition I just love pushing myself I'm like okay have you ever done Jiu-Jitsu you know I tried to get him to do it I'm like but you would be you're a [ __ ] animal you're a stud I mean do you know what an advantage it would be to be this fit like you could go you could go on the mats like you like you would right away you your your conditioning is so high your V2 Max is so high you just have to learn the techniques and you'd be able to already just outwork people but you know the shocking thing though is a lot of times work is very very specific to the particular sport you take for example well I'll use L Armstrong you know the greatest endurance athlete right is what he was coined I mean let's take all the
drug stuff out they all use drugs okay so you know but he was the greatest cyclist ever amazing endurance right his first few 10K runs he sucked man he sucked because he didn't have the specific movement patterns of running now he got better you know he had that type of energy system but each sport is different right you take uh you know an average swimmer he's even a really high level swimmer he's going to be exhausted in minutes on the mat yeah but you know you take me and put me on a bike you know I'm not going to have any Endurance on on a mountain bike or a road bike or or whatever you only you only develop endurance in a very specific way so you know the CrossFit guys believe me they would have to pay their dues it would take them a long time to adapt to Jiu-Jitsu or wrestling because I I can I can remember being off the mat for a long period of time and doing all these heinous workouts with you know cabells and body weight and all this go on the mat and oh my God I would suck air so bad yep my gas would be horrible I'm thinking what the hell man right you know I'm in shape what the [ __ ] going on I'm in shape yeah I was in shape to swing Kells and to do burpees and it's not the same man okay it it would be better than if I hadn't done those things at all but let's face it there's no substitute for doing the actual activity especially if you're in there and you have to roll with some Savage who's in the gym 5 days a week training 90 minutes a day you know doing yoga in the morning you know just gearing up for Jiu-Jitsu and part and part of the skill of Jiu-Jitsu of course is conserving your energy while you make the other guy put all his energy out so you got that factor going in there too I found myself shocked at how bad a shape I was in when I was in good Jiu-Jitsu shape and I started kickboxing again after a few years off I had done no striking at all I mean like occasionally I go out to the garage and hit the bag a little bit but like just abandoned it because I was really trying to get my black belt and then I started kickboxing when I was in really good Jiu-Jitsu shape I could roll hard for a long period of time and I'd [ __ ] hit the pads for a minute and I'd be exhausted it's amazing how Sports specific endurance that's how the body is
specific adaptation to imposed demand you can't get good at something else by doing a particular activity you get good at that activity and the body is amazingly specific when it comes to that type of thing this is something it took me a while to kind of figure out so all this crazy silly bugger of waving these battling ropes and so-called MMA circuits you know it's just you know MMA You Know M gay but don't you think that that's important though to build a base like that's one of the things that Diego Sanchez told me that he does when he trains he said he would take like say if he had a fight coming up in like four months and he would take the first 6 weeks and just concentrate entirely on strength and conditioning just get himself very very very fit and strong for sure you want to have the Bas you know having an aerobic Bas for anerobic sports has you know been proven having that type of I remember even in a wrestling season you know we we would do some some uh distance runs you know couple miles uh doing General strength training just to you know build our our general strength up to a pretty high level and then as the season progress we get more and more specific with our with our drills and our training and you know the shark bait drills and have you ever played that drill uh in Jiu-Jitsu first points everyone lines up against the wall you have your best three to five guys out in the middle first guy to get the two points stays yeah man I'm telling you even a high level black bot is going to get taken down by a blue bot at some point or get scored on because you get that TI but I mean that's the type of strength endurance I'm talking about for for for grappling I mean those are brutal drills man yeah Jean jaac used to do one with with sweeps where he would uh you you'd be on the bottom and fresh guys would be on top it's just brutal yeah and as long as you could sweep the guy you stayed in there but if he swept you you got off so for endurance there's no amount of like I say supplementary training they can beat that no way man just like you found with the grappling you know high level grappling conditioning you lost a lot of the endurance in the ring now imagine an MMA fighter that has to have high level Endurance on takedowns high level
endurance and and punching h voren of Jiu-Jitsu on the ground he doesn't have time to be burning his body up with all this other nonsense he's going to be absolutely utterly overtrained in no time at all and burn out and of course A lot of these kids do get burned out overtraining is really uh pretty high in in in in combat uh Sports in Mar yeah how do they figure out how they're overtrained is it monitoring resting heart rate yeah morning resting heart rate morning um you take your first thing in bed when you first wake up and you take it for like 7 days to get in now we're assuming you're not already overtrained right right right you know if you suspect you're overtrained you might want to take a couple of days off and then start this process of seven days in a row taking your monitoring your pulse uh on um uh your iPhone there's a app that you can actually hold your finger on the camera lens and do it it's pretty handy it's called instant heart R you hold your finger on the camera lens yeah yeah you there's an on your how does the camera lens figure out what your [ __ ] heart rate is I don't know what the techn because the Samsung Galaxy S5 the new uh Galaxy Samsung one of the things I like about it that I I was thinking about picking it up is it has a a heart rate monitor built into the actual phone itself because they have some sort of fit app it has something to do with the heat coming off your finger is what I was told like each pulse it's a little bit of heat do it yeah yeah you see can you do it do it right now you have it on your phone you know I I uh I'm embarrassed to say this but I was running here yeah um I actually had gone downtown and I lost my iPhone as a jogg to the show like it fell out of your pocket it fell out of my freaking pocket you got to invest in a fanny pack Steve Maxwell I sell that I'm G to send you one man I'm going to wear a Joe Rogan fny please do I it' be honored damn it I've been selling sweet leather roots so it's laying out there on Santa Monica Boulevard somewhere on that little Trail hey I was due for an iPhone five anyway oh okay yeah yeah you know how they have that find your phone app yeah we we were going to see if we could find it but some bum probably has it right now yeah some stinky bum he has a lot of those in
Santa Monica man this is shocking how many bums are around Santa Monica a lot of homeless hey but look if you got to be homeless why not here man it's a pretty nice place to be homeless I guess yeah it's definitely a good spot sure beats uh Toronto or Chicago [ __ ] yeah Siberia yeah yeah there's uh brutal spots to be homeless so you you hold your finger on the lens you're doing it Jamie is it working yeah and you can also monitor your ceded heart R [ __ ] your [ __ ] heart rate Ain 62 beats per minute that shit's broken or your let me see it I'm an athlete you are you yes are you how I ran seven miles yesterday did you really you [ __ ] animal look at you savage dude my my normal resting heart rate is 59 now remember I'm kind the TR resing pul spr is when you first wake up in the morning before you even get out of bed how do I start it Jamie there probably button on the bottom it might restart there you go okay let's see and you put it over the camera okay here we go and then you just that's amazing yeah the technology is pretty crazy I'm try to I'm not a check guy but there you what's it called Jamie uh there's a bunch of inant heart rate app yeah instant heart rate app and then it'll record your message and it'll keep uh you will be able to uh that's pretty [ __ ] keep a record so once you know what the average is right take for seven divide that's oh and it has options just woke up before bed exercising that's incredible that it can figure it out from you holding your finger over a camera what a world we live in a what a world fascinating and you're talking to a guy that wouldn't use a cell phone or laptop like for years when I first met you you had one of those blackberries with the push button with the the SK we would click click click I had one of those pieces of [ __ ] remember that and you were like this is amazing I can do everything this you were so fired up about it so resting heart rate and then um and then if your morning resting pulse rate when you first wake up is more than six or more beats you should not train that day that means if you have an elevated heart heart rate you're stressed dude you have not recovered from the previous day stress elevated heart rate is the first sign of stress so it's all that nonsense
about pushing yourself you don't want to get up you got to get up anyway push through it you feel like [ __ ] uh push through it there's days that I just didn't want to train but I forced myself to you really shouldn't do that you should not that's fascinating so that's a real lesson for people so there's a lot of folks out here that think there's a lot of folks in MMA that think like there's days when you're beat and exhausted and you got to push through you shouldn't push through you should not push through you're doing damage to your body you're pushing yourself further and further into exhaustion that's amazing now that doesn't mean that you can't get up and do joint Mobility stretching Yin Yoga walking with the breath work uh you can go in and if you can hold yourself back a lot of these kids are pretty addicted to training but you could also do skill rehearsal you could do drill you know if you're a so do something that doesn't push let's say you're a competitive ji jit gu so you practice your favorite sweep or your Baron bolo or your your turtle guard whatever you do that and you don't do anything hard does your son Zach follow all your principles yes he does he's been a really good model of like this type of intelligent training and he does not do supplementary training other than strength training and he lifts weights and just yeah and he does this all moding the heart rate and all that jazz that's fascinating and he's done really well for himself he won brown belt worlds and uh he's one of the few guys that actually built Kon Gracie he beat Kon in the Las Vegas black belt uh uh challenge no look I was very impressed with Zach um you know I I knew who he was because of you you know you told me about him but then Eddie Bravo actually told me about him and I said did you know that that's Steve Maxwell's son he was like holy well no wonder you know he was like no wonder because young kid must be a [ __ ] animal growing up with Steve Maxwell's he's an animal man he's an animal so if a guy wakes up like say if your normal resting heart rate is you know for an elite athlete let's say it's 40 beats a minute right and you wake up in one day it's 45 yeah you probably you definitely should take off that day or stretch just just something like they call it active recovery yes
where it's just moderate lowlevel activity but definitely don't go beat your brains out in the gym wow and so the people that do do that that think you just got to push through they're just being strong but being dumb they're being dumb because it's going to work against you let's put it this way it's not what you can do in the gym it's what can you recover from in the gym wow because all the magic happens from rest I mean let's let's a workout only has negative consequences your blood pressure is elevated you're muscularly weaker you've you you know you've you've actually torn and broken down muscle far you know your whole hormonal system is lower it's that rest phase in between the workouts where your body adapts and you become stronger the more fit you become the longer it takes to recover because you're able to push yourself harder and harder a weak person that's not very fit they can't push themselves hard enough to really they they actually could probably work out every day but a really fit strong guy like yourself for example you cannot drive yourself every day cuz each workout you're making such a demand on your body one thing that you cannot control is your ability to recover it's set at the biologic level it's cellular man unless you're doing steroids unless you're doing steroids that changes a lot but even those guys still uh they re one of the things that steroids does do is it allows you to recover much much more quickly I want to talk to you about weight cutting too because there was a a really fascinating thing today um there was an article in bloody elbow about uh Jim Miller and Jim Miller was talking about how he believes at weight cutting took years off of his life and you know I mean Jim looked fantastic this weekend he beat yansy mados he submitted him with a guillotine put him out actually first time i' ever seen a guy celebrate while a guy's unconscious lying on him like Jim is like this and I think guys unconscious completely out cold eyes open lying on top and yans is a [ __ ] stud too so it was it was a big victory for him Miller's a sick Jiu-Jitsu guy he submitted uh Fabricio kimes in his last fight who was one of U one of hoers black belts wow so I mean caught him with a really slick armar so this guy got to be pretty dog on good man Jim
Miller's a bad [ __ ] but he was talking about his weight drop and uh you know his weight cut that he's you know made a lot of Errors over the years and that uh he you know he's [ __ ] it up but you know is a direct quote he says I'm positive I took years off my life cutting weight that's [ __ ] crazy well if you think about it just Combat Sports in itself like I said we we had mentioned this several times is no one ever said it's healthy it definitely shaves years off the end of your life but hey look man you can't just have I mean you could just be like some dude that never did much and just sits around has a really nice long life but I mean what the hell is that man you know it's like a man can't just sit around right so like you take the typical NFL football player you know the average life expect toy for an NFL football player I believe is 64 years old it's not very old it's you know that's that's young dude that's only three more year years old than than I am but if you were to ask those guys hey was it all worth it they'd say hell yeah man the Roar of the crowd the agulation you know you know the excitement of playing at such a high Elite level of sport almost every guy to a man would say yeah you know what I I would take the shorter life for the glory but that aside you know people that are just doing this for fun as a hobby they got to be careful man they can't be doing all this crazy stuff you know these kids are good the local tournaments and this and that and playing around with this all this serious weight cutting they're doing their their health irreputable harm fight your damn weight and stop trying to get an unfair Advantage by cutting down and then gaining back look at some of the greats look at Frankie Edgar constantly fought guys much larger than him won the title beat BJ Penn who also did the same thing BJ Penn fought below his weight for his entire career fought [ __ ] heavyweight when he fought Leota Macha Mach was like 208 when they fought it pretty amazing [ __ ] crazy and held his own held his own you know beat Matt Hughes who was a monster at 170 you know BJ Penn was the perfect example of a guy who just fought anybody at any we anybody the guy had no fear man it's an animal and now he's fighting at 145 I know man incredible I mean it's probably
where he should have been his entire career if you compare the athletes of today and what they're doing but even at 145 he just decided to alter his diet put really intensified his training and now he got down to like he's walking around a little over 150 pounds so he's not going to cut a lot of weight you know these guys that are cutting like 25 30 pounds of weight I've seen guys Shuffle up to the scale like like death warmed over Travis lter was the worst cavers man Travis lutter when he fought Anderson Silva missed the weight cut and uh missed it tried it again missed it again and then wound up fighting for a non-title fight because he couldn't make the weight and he was off by not much at the end it was only like a pound and a half but shuffling to the weight to the to the scale because he couldn't walk and then they chared to rehydrate with these IVs you know they they take the IV man there's no way that your body could sustain that type of abuse and you be at your best you're not going to be at your best the idea is though that you're going to be there's lutter um when he when he weighed in it's hard to tell from photos how bad he looked you had to see him moving and walking look how sunken his eyes were though but he um I mean it's it's hard to tell from that picture how much different he looks than he does when he's normal and healthy and full and and ready to rock that's a guy who had [ __ ] massive potential he was such a good Jiu-Jitsu guy but such a good Jiu-Jitsu guy even in my own personal experience like U 1974 I I was gearing up for the U uh NCA uh doublea tournaments you know we're getting into the the big tournament season I had a record of 182 and one at that time I was really good college wrestler high level and uh somehow I got talked into going down to 158 I was doing great at 167 that was like my natural weight I felt really good I was strong Joe was a huge mistake wow I end up getting the flu I get sick I felt like [ __ ] so you're probably already lean at that we I was already lean man and you were cutting what how much did you drop how much you cut you know from 167 to 158 that's almost 10 lbs right but what were you weighing when you weighed 167 what were you walking around at uh about 170 maybe so you're only cutting a little bit Yeah cuz I I I I was very strict even in
those days even in my college days back in the 70s was very strict about my diet there's a lot of people that are trying to figure out the point of diminishing returns like what is it when it comes to weight cutting because you'll see guys that rehydrate and they are beasts like glaz and tbal that guy cuts almost 30 [ __ ] pounds well one of the things I really liked about the moon Gils and the penams you weigh in at the edge of the mat and then you go out and you fight right then and there there's no cheating the scales can't do that for the UFC though I often wish they would though because I tell you you would see the the the abuse of weight loss would completely end people would have to fight their own weight I think that they should fight their own weight and I think that's more in line with the spirit of martial arts I do too because why are people losing weight why they're trying to have a mechanical advantage tall rangy guys have that leverage strength a leverage advantage I mean you know physical strength Advantage muscle advantage and then you know you lose this weight unnaturally artificially and then you know by fight time you're much much heavier it's kind of a form of cheating actually if in my opinion in a way it is in a way it is but if everybody's doing it it almost is a necessity to compete at the highest levels that's the problem well that is the problem it's just like the guys you know like Lance Armstrong say look everybody was taking the drugs how can you compete at that level in the tour to if you don't well okay but my point is no one should be doing it well the Lance Armstrong thing the problem is he's a douchebag well that's the problem sued everybody for saying that he was taking drugs said everybody you know looked people in the eye and said you know I never doped I never did anything amazing liar man not amazing I didn't believe him no not for a [ __ ] second not for one second I had a friend uh my friend uh is a uh former professional cyclist and he told me he just he goes listen to me man no one no one's clean I go no one he goes no one's one I could believe that he said guys would get up he was on the the tour and guys would get up and they were you know they were on a bus together guys would get up they would be on so much EPO that they would have to
take their bike out in the middle of the night and run because their blood would start getting thick oh Jesus yeah oh Jesus that's crazy stuff man he said you would hear the guy get their bike rack off and you would hear them just ride off and you knew exactly what it was just try to thin out that Buton well you know I think we see it in Fighters there's some Fighters that work out the day before the fight and why they why you know why are they doing it they [ __ ] have to they probably have to you know why would you want to stress your body out the day before a fight I mean it's one thing to get a light workout in little sweat little jumping rope some stretching a little yoga there's guys who would work out hard the day before and also EPO wasn't even being tested in Nevada until I mean I don't I think they're testing for it now but for the longest time they weren't testing for EPO because they thought it was an endurance sport problem like a thing like cycling and triathlons and they didn't think that applied to boxing which I thought was like one of the best pieces of evidence you got [ __ ] morons who are dictating what gets tested and not tested like you want to talk just a complete ignorance of what is involved in the sport boxing is such an intensive endurance sport amazing endurance sport man anyone that doubts it just get in there do three minutes sometime in the boxing you and see just hit the bag it's absolutely utterly devastating if you're not used to it yeah I mean without anybody ripping your body with left yeah I mean let alone taking the punches in addition and trying to breathe while someone's punching you breathing well that's the thing that Nick Diaz always does to guys people always say well why does he punch like that because like he'll throw like a lot of punches that aren't even that F because you can't breathe while he's hitting you while he's hitting you you're going You're tightening up so a few minutes of that like you've essentially held your breath while he's just of of oxygen yeah but uh one one thing I was really happy about the moou they finally started testing the metal winners for the drugs oh for years they did not and um when did they do this this has just been last couple years that's very important because For the
Longest Time guys would come out looking purple they were they they were brag some of the guys were bragging about the drug that they were taking and finally they made it illegal they are now testing the the place winners in the munja and you're suspended now I believe Zach told me this the other night that uh I believe it's a year I don't know whether that's true or not I heard it's a year of suspension so no Jiu-Jitsu tournaments at all for a year for one year I I think it should be more like three years but well that would really keep make it real you know the UFC does nine months for the First Defense you know but they're really trying to crack down on it I mean and now you know we have this uh the trt issue which I had Dr Mark Gordon who is uh an expert in traumatic brain injury who was talking to me about the you know he's like there's two reasons why someone needs testosterone well there's three one you're an older person and your body starts to wne two you've suffered brain injuries braines three you took steroids and then you depleted your system and now you have to replenish it artificially and so finally they remov that from fighting which I think is very important because two of those things the traumatic brain injury for sure and then the steroid taking for sure and then if you're old you're you're you know you're a guy and he's in his 40s and you you want to keep competing and the only way to do it with is with testosterone boy you probably shouldn't be fighting anymore you know I mean it's a certain point it's a young man's game and you can do things naturally uh to stimulate it as you get like my age yeah we're running out of time here sorry but uh yeah you know doing high-intensity interval training squats yeah uh uh full body movement patterns uh big big movements uh I like to run some Sprints wind Sprints those type of things you know short intents uh can really stimulate the body to what do you think have you studied at all any of these new uh this these new gains that they're making in genetic engineering and what they're pushing for have you contemplated what this what the the possibilities are for sports because it's one of the things that I'm more I want to say concerned but fascinated at the same time you know as a as a person
who's standing outside of it I mean obviously I'm a commentator but science is so close to altering the the very gen itics of a human being I mean within our lifetime 40 50 years from now Max you're going to see super athletes from the bottle you know from the from a test tube from a needle from whatever it is genetic engineering that's they keep threatening anyway it's going to happen yeah I'm sure maybe at some point it still seems to be pretty far off and still a lot of theory and conjecture so but what happens then I mean how much do we lose if we think about what what an athlete is when you admire a guy like say a rocky Marciano a great boxer or or you know any great athlete from a time where they weren't doing anything what do you admire them for you admire them for their willpower their determination their their focus their tenacity the fact that this guy their their their workmanship you know work their work ethic yeah when I was a kid when I lived in Boston Muhammad Ali was going to fight Mustafa Hamp show and Muhammad Ali was one of the most Spartan training EXC not Muhammad Ali Jesus Christ Marvin Haggler was gonna fight Mustafa Hamshire I can't believe I said Muhammad Ali because I was thinking about him as another example of a great athlete who just trained hard and an ERA with no drugs but Marvin Haggler was gonna fight Mustafa hamshow and he was training for it on Cape Cod in the winter and one of the reasons why he did that was because he would run the sand dunes and just because he loved the fact that he was in the [ __ ] brutal cold of Cape Cod running by the ocean and I remember uh they had a a thing on this the news where they were uh hyping up the fight and they were going through his training regime and he was running up sandun screaming War screaming just war and just running and Shadow Boxing and I saw that and I went running I ran I ran stairs near my house there was this this stairs near this bridge near my house and I went running I was like [ __ ] but you know he's instead he's sitting there and they're pumping him full of EPO and they're monitoring his blood and you know giving them artificial this and genetic that and what what what is a b mean remember Drago in Russia in the [ __ ] in the the rocky four when you
saw Stallone was [ __ ] running with logs on his back through the snow and they have Drago they're spiking them with steroids yeah lifting a cart full of rocks and all that yeah well you know it we've already done it to our food with genetic modified it's inevitable though right and I suppose they're going to do it to the human body also I mean who knows but what does that have to say about Athletics what is Athletics going to be when that happens well it sure isn't going to be what we knew it to be and it's sure not it sure Strays far from the the ideal that cared is for 2,000 years was was the ancient Greek ideal yeah Our Generations AG Our Generations are probably the last generations to know what privacy feels like like real true privacy you know when remember when you were a kid you could leave the house you could just [ __ ] off and go anywhere nobody had any idea where you are your parents hoped you came home that's about it that's pretty much it man my mom sent me out with a peanut butter and jelly sandwich and a brown bag say see you dinner and that was it I remember first day we got an answering machine someone could leave a message when you weren't home making tree forts and yeah all sorts of crazy stuff the uh the era of genetic manipulation though is surely like right around the corner or within our lifetime within 40 50 years yeah so I I I don't know but uh probably when it goes into full swing and becomes completely accepted by Society I guess I'll probably be dead by that point so I don't know dude I have a feeling you're going to live a long time I have a feeling you're going to be around for a long time you're kind of planning for it too yeah your diet is very unusual in that respect that's gotten very Spartan and the systematic undereating has shown to be uh one of the keys to longevity systematic undereating how many cal do you mark your calories uh I I use an okan you know okanawa are like one of U that that Blue Zone where people like an unusual amount live to be centenarians very high level another Blue zone is it Greece where there's an unusual amount of people that live to be over 100 years old part of it's genetic but a lot of it is the lifestyle the lack of stress and
so forth but at any rate the ooms have the saying uh 80% you never leave the table feeling satisfied you never eat until you're full you leave 80% capacity so I I almost why do they do that what's what's the philosophy behind that the idea is if you overburden your digestion by overeating or making yourself feel full it it's too much of an inter on the system it takes more out of you than what you get out of your food so that has been something that they it's ingrained their culture for a long time it's ingrained into their culture wow so this is something they figured out a long time ago they figured this out a long time ago probably goes way back to you know ancient times they also get a lot of Coral Calcium too right isn't that like a big part of they do and they you know they have a lot of uh mineralization from their fish broth and so forth and they eat a very very uh simple pretty Spartan diet really I mean it's very simple now in these days how much time we got left Jamie five minutes these days um do you roll it all anymore do you still I was just down in Arcadia uh uh rolling around at Carson Gracie school now do you make sure that don't go with any Carlos Grace's AFF don't well you know I'm a fifth degree black bout now and a lot of times I am a little bit younger than what I look so kids don't see a 61 year old dude they see like H black bound oh I'm gonna you know so I gotta be very careful who I choose right I I like to do light rolls usually the instructor at the school is pretty good yeah you know and you go in with a lot of humility you know for sure get permission before you go to these schools you just don't show up and put the guy in the spot right right right you know they might think you're challenging or something and you know they want to show off in front of the students or whatever so I'm very very careful I like to roll with u you know lighter guys I try not to roll with the really heavy guys anymore yeah I'm done with heavy guys it's just too bad for your back yeah no it is it back is just any guy over 200 lb stacking you it's just too much on your your joints and your especially your spine like like here on Gracie apparently I want to talk to him about this but he's got a numb arm I I do an awful lot of joint
Mobility work I I actually teach a specific anti-aging Mobility routine you have a DD on it yeah uh video downloads actually I I I've switched from DVDs to downloads I have the DVD I'm old school yeah yeah there I bought it years ago but uh yeah Mobility is really important but I've changed myability over the years now I've learned new things and have Incorporated new ideas so I should get the new one yeah I think so I'll I'll send it to you where do I get it from if somebody was listening to this uh it's Steve ma uh it's Maxwell scc.com maxw Maxwell strength and conditioning C SC Maxwell maxwell.com that's the website that's everything and um I'll send I'll send you the link you just write me and I'll send you the links and your um your Twitter though is Steve Maxwell SC yes Steve Maxwell SC um so if someone wants to get a strength and conditioning program from you you do all that stuff online right I do and you have a lot of videos online there's a lot of cool stuff lot of videos and stuff I'm work I'm always trying to you know uh improve myself I'm I'm still a student I don't care how long you've been in the game man you can still learn new things and so it's a never evolving thing and of course as I get older I have to change up too I mean no one gets out of here alive everyone yeah you know every your Your Capacity does diminish over time and you feel the bump but you can really slow it down to a crawl as long as you continue to push you got to do some push you got to constantly fight against the aging process um you were also uh God we're running out of time here I wish we weren't um you were in Russia recently doing some NOA you went there on your own dime just to learn I was working with h kadnikov who was the father of uh Russian military martial arts it was pretty pretty interesting this guy is like 80 years old kind of like an ellio gra kind of guy man he put me in the most painful wrist lock this guy was he was saying do something to me you know in Russian and uh I getting the translation I'm thinking oh [ __ ] what am I going to do this old man and wow the guy is really amaz very soft relaxed uh martial art he was the creator of this particular Russian military martial art and it's uh it's all geared towards military and and self-defense what does
it have its roots in uh a Slavic martial art that was earlier uh there was a guy by the name Spiro that studied Chinese and and uh different uh internal systems and then uh he taught it to kadnikov and then kadnikov mixed it with some SL native Slavic type martial arts and it it's uh he also created the biomechanical exercises for the body Mobility drills for health and well-being uh good for any Sportsman wrestlers Jiu-Jitsu guys so I'm teaching a lot of this stuff now I've Incorporated in my own my own system fascinating so when you go and U meet with a guy like that and learn his stuff are you videotaping it so no no no vide tapes a lot so how did you uh you just remembered what he said and I have a really good memory took notes on my iPhone and so forth the one I lost thank God thank God for ICL ah there you go you backed it up um so you you it's Systema is that what it is yeah it's called Systema and there's a couple branches of Systema this is the original Systema there's the group up in in Toronto that does their version the Michael rabco that's like the Phantom punches and yeah what is all that that's what I've seen a lot a lot of that is rabos punch those guys and he hurts when he punches it really hurts and what he does is he'll he'll show The Fist and the guys just fall down because they they don't want to get hurt so he really is controlling them psychically just by intimidating them so he's just a hard puncher that's got a bunch of [ __ ] whip students pretty much but their students are pretty tough but there's something to it there it's the breath work you know hexen came out of retirement and is doing the seminar circuit a black Bel friend of mine in Germany Bjorn Friedrich he was the first German black Bel in BJJ he took Hixon seminar he says wow he spent the first hour just in breath work in relaxation and that's what the systemic goes do well cron was talking about that on the podcast as well it's funny because the Gracies all did it but they never taught us but now they're revealing the secret and it really does go back to the bre I I would love to be could be a podcast in itself Just Breath work just the breath work well when are you back in La again well it may be sooner than later I'm I'm thinking about doing another video
download of some of the stuff I learned in Russia and I'm going to do three full long workouts that guys can do in their hotel room or while they're on the road uh anytime any place anywhere and I'm going to actually do a fallong workout and I love this videographer out here I shot a uh a trailer for a possible reality TV show and uh that's what I was doing here in La plus a book deal I had an article in the March issue of men's health and attracted a lot of attention so I had an offer to come out and shoot a trailer maybe to pitch some people because I I'm a pretty weird dude man yeah you're a pretty weird dude living out of a bag you know I I don't have a key I I don't have no keys cuz I don't have any locks to need them for I don't have an apartment or a house W that does ever freak you out sometimes you know does it being a former householder and yeah you know having a gym and a house and cars and kids you ever think you go back to that is this temporary hell no once you leave all that stuff it's it's so freeing man wow it's like real Freedom you're an inspiration Steve Maxwell you're a bad [ __ ] hey you are too Joe thanks I appreciate you coming on man this was a lot of fun so folks Maxwell scc.com um uh Teresa gave me some stuff to uh to read about uh you're in the US till the 24th of May uh you have a a seminar in Buffalo the 4th of May unfortunately it's sold out New York 3rd of May Toronto 10th of May uh PDX which I guess is p Portland that's what they call PDX yeah yeah there Port just what is PDX why they call it PDX idea man okay that's um the 17th and 18th of May and Indianapolis the 24th of May again all this available on maxwell.com Steve maxwellc on Twitter anything else yeah revgear there's a MMA Expo in San Antonio Texas August 1 2 3 I'm teaching k Bells specifically for martial arts uh MMA Jiu-Jitsu so get get if you if you want to learn about cabals or how to teach them better get to the Rev uh revgear uh uh Expo it's a MMA Expo and will all this be on your website as well yeah it's going to be on the website and check out revgear man Maxwell scc.com Steve Maxwell ladies and gentlemen thank you very much sir and uh thanks to our sponsors thanks to Squarespace go to squarespace.com and uh use the code word
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