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yeah that's a high compliment coming from Jay cuz he knows a lot about pool but I mean I don't have to be the best all the time I mean I you know I'm definitely I'm I'm capable of playing like you know an D player or whatever I can just go just dog my brains out but when I get going with my arm you know loosened up and I'm you know been hitting balls for a few days I I I can get in into my you know play my speed for folks who don't know like pool player lingo speed is how like a guy will say oh he plays aeed you know he's got a a great speed that means and it doesn't even mean going fast it just means your your your game you know it's funny uh in pool there's there's so many different levels though it I think it goes Way Beyond like a player B player C player I I see guys that I I can't imagine playing better than this guy if I ever got to this level i' like The Bucket List would be totally happening and he has to get weight from this dude and then all this stuff and it's so it's almost confusing how many different and what weight means is for folks who don't know the pooling handicap yeah yeah handicap meaning like say if uh if Mark and I played and Mark's an a player and I'm a b player Mark would maybe like if we played nineball Mark would maybe like give me the eightball and what that means is like he would have to make the nine ball to win but I could win making the eightball or the nine ball and often times when you're you're seeing like really even bigname guys match up like I saw Rob SI match up with mik Eminen they play and Rob SI is a top Pro but M Emin had to give Rob weight and you know he gave him I think he gave him the eightball sure and uh and that eightball might not show up very much on that level it might not with that you know for folks who don't know um 10 ball or nine ball either one of them they're rotation games which means you play the one ball first and then you go to the two to the three and then to win you get the 10 ball in but to win with a handicap you could give a guy another game like you could give a guy I've seen a guy like Shane Van bonig uh he gives people like crazy games like he'll gives him like two out yeah yeah two out even you know I mean if the guy can't play at all I mean you know he'll give you every
ball on the table pretty much that means all you have to do is make the two ball and you win whereas he has to make the two three four five six seven now imagine this how good this guy is you know Cory duel I mean he's one of the best in the world Shane gave him the five and six ball playing 10 ball just now up in the up north and it you know it was laughable like even Cory laughed I can't believe it he goes I guess I need the four and five you know yeah he beat him with the five and six he beat him yeah with giving giving him the five and six ball and 10 ball like you know it's crazy but it really is not going to show up if he's breaking the way he do you know all he's going oh There Goes My Money Ball and There Goes My Money Ball like every game you know from the chair you know what I mean so even though it sounds like oh Shane's really giving something up here you know if he breaks because that that's the whole thing with him um well people you know some say he just breaks you know good or whatever but that you know you know that's crap he this guy plays behind the break like crazy good but um but that break is Big when you get on that level uh you know the pro level yeah if some guy is breaking like God and getting shape on the one and all this stuff you know and another guy is a dry breaker but he plays like God too the guarantee the guy that's the breaker is going to destroy the guy inside lingo dry breaker breaking like God what it's about is the initial shot on pool is the break shot you smash the balls hard and the balls go flying into the Pockets ideally if they don't you spread the whole table out and then you leave a lot of shots for your opponent the problem with a guy like Shane Van boning is he breaks so good that you know almost almost every break he's making one if not two I've seen him make five balls on the break playing 10 ball and he get shap on the one that's the whole thing and and players complain about that and I don't understand it I I'm I'm like why are you complaining because this guy breaks kid you know the answer to me would be work on your break yeah don't complain because some other guy's great you know well you're making too much sense there mark am I yeah you're making too much sense you got to give people the opportunity to just complain about
[ __ ] that's what they like well you know I complain about stuff I know this guy is breaking he's a [ __ ] well one of the things that I wanted to talk to you about because you know because you're such a really good pool player is there's there's something involved in like trying to get like really good at pool or good at anything that requires an incredible amount of time where it's like the level of commitment that you have to have to get really good at that I guess it's got to be kind of similar to guitar playing in a way like the amount of practice that you have to put in the level and that there's just levels and levels and levels to this stuff I've had different loves in my life I mean I've I've always gone back to the guitar because I my family was there's just so much music in my family my grandpa was a touring piano player my my dad is a jazz trumpet player my mom sang music in the house all the time but I at the same time I still played baseball from the time I was eight till I was 18 you know and my dad's dream for me was to not be the big you know star musician because you just thought there was no chance at that but but to be the LA Dodger you know what I mean but he thought there was a chance at that more than there was a you must have played really good ball I can tell you uh no I really didn't I mean I I you know I was a really good pitcher probably when I was like in Pony League I was kind of known as one of the top pitchers my arm started hurting when I was around 17 like after three Innings I would have my dad come out and take me out you know usually the guy comes out and says oh how you feeling and all that kind of stuff no I didn't wait for all that I I told them you know put me on first my arms hurting again I threw curve balls when I was like 11 years old and everybody said oh God he's going to throw his elbow out that never happened what happened was from Fast balls my arm got kind of jacked you know so after three Innings it was hurting not to mention you have to be such a standout player to get scouted by some you know by Pro you know Scouts your numbers have to stand above the entire league right I had two guys on my own team when I was in you know this is 16 17 18 year olds two guys on my own team hit more home runs than me ran faster threw harder you
know what I mean so my chances that and I even told my dad this when I made the decision I'm going full-time music and you know kind of say loveita baseball is I have zero chance to make it in baseball none what is that true did you really have zero chance or would it have to be something that you completely abandoned everything else and just threw your life at baseball it seems like if you're really well I did I mean I I really I could have played maybe a different position but I really wasn't um I didn't have enough power to I think who's going to skip over the two guys that are better than me on my team to to go to man number three and let's sign him because he's just cool or something could you get better though isn't it possible get better maybe I could have dedicated myself and and I and I do look back and say I wish I would have worked out with maybe some lightweights maybe gain some strength in my arm you didn't work out at all not really I mean it is pullups you know stuff it's you know PE stuff like that but I didn't do any I didn't really train and and back we didn't have all the you know the video and the instruction and the pros coming camps and all that stuff it was just like go play and you know whoever had the natural ability you know he rose above everybody you know so um it's is such a different game today with all the strength and condition even little leak yeah everywhere even Little League I'm watching these 12y olds they look like small professionals they all their mechanics are perfect you know um fundamentals at the plate they they look like little tiny Pros you know well I'm fascinated by strength and conditioning programs now I mean it's one of the things being a mixed martial arts commentator and getting to see the Improvement that some Fighters have had by incorporating strength and conditioning programs and getting to see like how scientific they've become and how I mean the the the different things that they work on like I watched a video last night uh with Phil Davis who's one of the top UFC light heavyweights right and he was doing this weird uh exercise it was this balance exercise where they're like he's balancing on one one foot that's on a roller and they're throwing a ball at him and he's catching
it with one hand and throwing it back while he's balancing it's like you would think like what what what is this like what are they doing they're working on foot strength and stability and balance movement and it's just there's so much science involved in strength and conditioning getting better at Athletics now there's a there maybe you know when when I hear you speak I maybe there would be a chance for me to improve if I really got into uh you know working out and stuff my my you know the singer that's been in my band for like four years now his name is Terry elose and uh he used to he's been in martial arts for like 27 years or something you know he did jiujitsu Judo kickboxing he's worked with uh BOS rutin oh you know he trained with him he's in his instructor and um so he's got to get me going here well it's a great thing to do just for just to make your body body feel good I bet it would really help my nerves kind of get rattled sometimes and I think I it's because I don't work out enough I don't have a strict routine I'm not taking supplements and all this stuff you know I hear your commercials yeah about the the different uh supplements and well I don't know if we have anything that would really help nerves but I I definitely think that exercise does exercise helps your nerves I know it does I I have been uh dedicating myself to working out U kind of at home but I'm not like running I'm not doing enough cardio I'm doing tons of sit-ups and you know arm stuff and you know push-ups and stuff just you know what man get an elliptical machine and just put on a television show that you enjoy uh it's a great way to do it you know just get an I have an elliptical machine I put it on and I I put fights on and I watch the fights while I just do the ellipal not even thinking about it it's just automatic I just I can't I'm going to do it I'm going to start getting into some C it's one of those things where just you force yourself to do it and then you know write it on a schedule that you have to do it x amount of days and then when those days are over you'll feel the Improvement then that becomes addictive you know the feeling I need to be addicted to that yeah it's easy to be addicted to bad things but uh being addicted to
something good is it's something that it's really difficult to force your just force your discipline you know force your body to go and like I'm going to be a addicted to drinking fresh squeezed juices vegetable juices every morning and then taking a yoga class every day but if you did do that God be incredible because I'm very compulsive when I get into things I have to become the greatest on Earth with it you know I'm just like I've always kind of been like that so and I actually had an alcohol problem I you know um I was a Beer Drinker and you know go ahead and throw it low on the food chain but I got just as much pain is some other people from the abuse you know right oh listen alcohol is alcohol whether you get it in the form of whiskey or you get in the form of 12 Beers a night yeah it's alcohol you still wake up shaky and you're all screwed and and I and I was able to get away from that that and you know kind of do other things and you know help people that are struggling and just you know channeling my energy in in in more positive areas but do you find that like I've met a lot of people that are really great at things and really impulsive and really you know just the type of people that throw themselves in it the way that you describe I'm sure you must have had to do that to get so good at guitar and I'm sure you you did that to get really good at pool but do you find it that's sort of like a part of your mind that can kind of get sidetracked and [ __ ] with a drug like then that becomes like the thing that you become impulsive about that becomes the thing that you get addicted to that it it well that's why they say uh they call it somebody that gets really addicted to a drug wasted talent because they're so good at something and they're letting this drug of choice or whatever ruin this blessing that they've received that makes them great at something and I I was lucky to be able to get away from it um but as far as the guitar goes you know I've played since I was 9 years old it's just I did other things too mhm but when I became when I was about 15 I was pretty obsessed with it like I would go to the liquor store literally with it strapped around me really yeah I mean playing the acoustic guitar you know playing Santana I I was when I was
14 years old I was literally in a band and we only played Santana wow and not even realizing that that would be considered a tribute band I just go no Carl Santan is the greatest and so let's just play his stuff you know and uh but yeah I just you know I've kind of always been that way compulsive but the difference with the guitar is I loved it you know it wasn't just compulsive uh energy it was it was because I loved music I've always even when I was a little kid and sitting by the highi or whatever singing along to girl from EPA my mom and dad don't he sings in key he's like he he hears it you know it's like the melodies or the notes that are coming out you know which I've had this ear from my parents I mean they my dad had Perfect Pitch you can hit piano notes he can tell you what they are and and stuff like that so I have this ear I could hear it and when I first got records I actually that was one of my first albums right there the uh Hendrick's experience and I got cream dis gears and um the doors the strange days and when I listened to that music I only heard the singer I I literally wasn't even listening to the guitar I was just singing the melody you know what I mean but then I started being able to pick up the chords uh on my guitar and I was very young like 10 you know no no uh training you just learned how to do it on your own well I took a lesson from a guy but I've only had one lesson I've learned from a lot of people just um friends of mine hey man show me that you know whatever but uh as far as a a a true sit down pay the guy you know okay show me how to play or whatever it it was this guy who was in this like surf band when I was like probably 10 or 11 and he was teaching me like Tom dly and you know the stuff I didn't want to really Tom dly hang down your head Tom Dy hang down your head and cry never heard it yeah way it's just an old song you know um you know kind of like Jimmy crack corn and I don't care type stuff you know what I mean but I guess you know you have to learn that kind of stuff but I I just I was just un interested I want I probably you know when I tell kids that are coming up now I I say you know it's great if you got a good ear because you're you're like halfway there if you learn how to read and you and you know you know all the
theory and everything plus you have the great ear you're going to have it up on just about everybody you know those are those are the guys um but to have that natural um I don't know I have a natural feel for music like um and those are the people that inspired me to play are you know guitar players that just play From The Heart they they play notes because it's how they breathe it's how they feel it's you know they it's coming out of the pores of their skin it's it's from the heart the soul whatever you want to call it but those are the guys that made me want to play I mean Billy given doesn't been no the way he does because it said it on a piece of paper somewhere you know what I mean so it's something you feel and and I've been fairly good at that um feeling you know notes and stuff and people have you know made comments about the way I play and stuff but it's just um you know it's just it's kind of the gifts from the like I said from my parents and my grandpa and everybody sort of genetics and it's a yeah it is because I don't think you just you know it's not me I I just don't believe that I I can just be born hearing music that well unless it would bled into me somewhere you know I mean right I think there's definitely some in just born talent that some people have it's just a matter of whether or not they pursue it and there's also that thing that we were we were saying the negative aspect of it is that same sort of the personality trait that gets you to be able to sit down and really explore music for hours and hours at a time which is what it takes to be a great guitarist can many times manifest itself in a ition and manifest that same sort of just just throwing yourself at something and being completely engulfed in it for whatever reason a lot of times manifests itself in either alcoholism or drug addiction or or what have you it's so common no it is yeah I always kind of wondered I I I just think an addict is just an addict I really don't think the music has that much to do with it but I think a trigger for an uh you know like say a recovering addict or whatever he's out on the road he's in this band he has all this pressure from everybody telling them how great he is and everything because that can become pressure when people are telling you you're the greatest man on Earth and you're the
best guitar player in the world and all this stuff you kind of just uh don't want to take it serious and um it can drive you crazy and I think that causes some people to numb themselves really to reality so found fting I found that um in in a few instances uh this this friend of mine he was totally every time he would get close to being signed having a great opportunity he would just sabotage it with alcohol and you know what I mean but but what he'd tell you I mean I could see it from afar I I knew what he was doing he he was trying to sabotage it because he was a afraid uh kind of of the pressure of being out there in the Limelight so people are afraid of success that's absolutely absolutely but I I just think you know it it kind of it's mind-blowing um that somebody fights their whole life to get somewhere and they get there and die out of a heroin overdose you know yeah I don't know what the analogy would be but I I that was just one of my thoughts is that it could be that the pressure of just being in the in the in the music world and stuff and having all this going on you know because it does seem to it seems as if it it happened like that you you know even though you've been grinding in the clubs and for years and years it's like all of a sudden you're in Arena an arena setting you got cameras all around microphones you know people coming up to you I I I'm just making a a guess at this I don't know what you think why people kill themselves you know with with drugs maybe it has nothing at all to do with that maybe they're just addicts you could strip away all the music and they're going to die of a heroin overdose anyways I've got a lot of theories about it and I I personally think that the environment of celebrity on that level to be in a band like great white [ __ ] gigantic huge Arena band and you're [ __ ] on every magazine and you're on the radio every day and that pressure the kind of pressure and recognition is totally alien for a human being I mean the only people that ever got that kind of attention in the past were Kings I me even the leaders of tribes of they they just never got that kind of attention I just think it's completely alien to the human race and didn't exist until mass media was
invented until the the beginning of the 20th century when they figured out how to broadcast things in movies and you know in songs and records and then videos and what have you that that is not a part of human history it's not normal it's it may be normal to be the center of attention in a small group or even a large group but those people know you and you're talking in front of them if you're speaking in front of a a group of people that want to hear your opinion on things or if you're a leader those are all normal things but to be on a [ __ ] stage playing guitar and 20,000 people are going that's alien well um you know I I was uh you know a very shy person I've kind of worked on that over the years but you know to go actually to go out in front of 300,000 which has happened a few times 300,000 yeah we played in front of 300,000 people with a lot of bands like I mean you know like Iron Maiden who cares how many other people were there you played in front of 300,000 people actually believe it or not I was not even remotely scared about it I I just went out and handled it but if you put me in a setting like this like with maybe 10 people around the room then I that makes me nervous you know I'm serious I don't know why that's sort of the same way with comedy I mean I've never done anything with 300,000 people but one of the things that will make you nervous more than anything is going on stage in front of two folks yeah two people in the audience is like oh no it's because you don't really feel it's just a sea of people I mean you're just playing you know it's you don't feel like every all eyes are on you or whatever but when you're playing like in at a wedding or you know it's like Whoa man you know they're focusing in on my fingernails here and you know everybody fingernails you know I mean it's like whoa I'm yeah you know I think that that's what a lot of the the dealing with the pressure the reason why so many rock stars can't handle it or actors or I mean I think actors it's it's slightly different because it's not a live performance thing but just the accolades that they're getting it's all the same it's completely alien it's just H it's very very difficult to ask a person to be
able to manage something like that that I mean who you going to when you going to go to a psychiatrist or a psychologist they have never [ __ ] experience being on stage in front of 300,000 people and I actually thought about that when you were speaking earlier I go maybe they should have like you know rock and roll psychiatrist I have aie you know I go yeah go see just get you get your wife to run everything and just in the background mate yeah you know my manager was actually English and and he told me one time he goes kindall don't even read your own press don't believe it for sure do not believe your own press and and it's better just to not even read it don't sit there and read stuff about people talking about how much feel you have and you know or whatever and if you don't take yourself too seriously that's probably the best way to kind of cruise through your you know stuff I obviously you celebrate with your family and friends and and dig it man we just got this cool thing and you want to share it with them but as far as like you know taking yourself too serious I mean it's probably best to stay away from all that it's brutal the worst thing is talking to someone who uh has moderate or good success in in Show Business and all they want to talk about is their success in Show Business and all the great things they're doing it's like oh my god dude you're [ __ ] killing me right now you're killing me with this stupid [ __ ] stroke you're doing yourself it's ego stroke yeah it's uh it's also think about that think about the idea of reading your own press that's another [ __ ] alien thing the the alien thing of reading perhaps hundreds of other people's opinions about you yeah valid one guy says something bad and you go [ __ ] I'm gonna you know choke this guy I have a theory about that too I uh I I think that that is like snake venom and that if you're not exposed to snake venom and you get it it could really [ __ ] you up because snake venom is you know it's toxic but if you get a little bit of it all the time then it becomes something you're immune to and then you go oh look a [ __ ] some negative [ __ ] exactly the thing about negative people and this is this is a really important point is sometimes they have a point and you can learn from
them sometimes negative people say things that you don't want to hear you don't like it but then you you read it and you go oh there's something there there's something there there is a point there you could use them but for them God being that person is so damaging to you to to them to the person who's being negative Absolut they don't even realize it they think they're hurting you like you can talk [ __ ] about a person me or talk [ __ ] about you all day long but it doesn't change the fact that you're still Mark Kendall you know you're still who you are you're still this badass [ __ ] guitarist they can't change who you are by saying something mean but what they do do is they change their their very essence their very energy that they're spreading out to the universe what they're putting out to all the people around them to their the the people that come in contact with what they're projecting it's they're just putting out [ __ ] and that's a good percentage of people if you read their blogs if you go to their Twitter pages if you listen to their you know if someone has a negative radio show or a podcast or whatever what you're hearing is just all this [ __ ] horrible stuff nothing good nothing positive nothing encouraging and that's who they are that's the world they live it's not like they do that and then they go take yoga classes and then they're they're kissing puppies and hugging people all day they don't you don't pump out negative [ __ ] and then go out and be a beautiful wonderful person and go hey that's all just show business man the real me is loving and kind and super cool to be around I just act like an [ __ ] on Twitter No you're an [ __ ] you know like right right and you can learn from [ __ ] you can get something from them but points and things yeah yeah a little bit I look I've I have read things that are very negative about me that maybe totally unjust but I could say is it possible that someone else could think like this and could it be like does it make sense that they could think like this and if that's the case if it's defensible then I should probably work on whatever aspect of my own personality that's causing this opening to be there sort of like in a martial arts standpoint if if like if you're a bad [ __ ] in Jiu-Jitsu like say if
you're really good at Jiu-Jitsu and you got a great arm drag and you're great at taking people's back and you choke people on a regular basis but if someone gets your back you got no defense and you tap out really quick you need to work on that like that's something that you need to figure out like why do I tap when someone gets my back that's real that's a real thing and that analogy I think presents itself in the the martial arts analogy presents itself when you're dealing with a lot of different people that are critiquing your work or a lot of different people that are putting things out there and they can [ __ ] with your I have a friend I'm not going to name names but he's a fighter and um he and his wife they they had a huge problem because he was like there was negative uh someone saying negative things about him and her on Twitter or on Facebook or I forget where it was but they were just just you know just being an [ __ ] just saying really mean nasty stuff about him and his wife the way they look and about her way she looks and it was devastating to them to the both of them and you would think like here's a guy's a [ __ ] cage fighter you he's fighting professionally you know he's really a bad [ __ ] but this the words of some 13-year-old kid were you know he waking him up in the middle like you [ __ ] [ __ ] yeah that's crazy I i' I've been down this road you know with haters not people that are just slightly negative or whatever but just people that just alls they do is go say you suck and you know you're you know or whatever that that's what they do those people and I've even you know as a band we've talked about it don't give them any energy whatso ever just let them hate away you know what I mean good luck with that you don't want to feedback with you know I'm not going to feedback with somebody that's saying something makes no sense whatsoever and it doesn't change who you are it change it doesn't do anything I'm still going to be exactly that's what they don't understand yeah they think that they're going to sort of Define you and somehow and minimize you and they're not going to come to my shows anyways only my fans come to the shows CU that they probably want to be you you know they probably had like a failed Musical attempt and you know they look at you and this
[ __ ] guy with simple [ __ ] music I'm tired of his [ __ ] cords I'm tired of the way shakes his head when he plays [ __ ] that [ __ ] but what what's really driving them nuts what's really driving them nuts is their own personal family yeah when's your next album coming out exactly do you think Michael Jordan goes on YouTube videos and talks [ __ ] about people you know what I mean Michael Jordan's busy he's busy being Michael winners don't have time to be [ __ ] haters on YouTube no they just don't and and it really makes you look bad especially a high-profile dude you know fighting back with somebody oh yeah listen I've made that mistake before just thinking I was being cute uh trying to like get I'll show them but then you're like what am I doing like why why am i showing them what am I what what what what am I trying to accomplish here but it's like what I did it I treated people that would like say mean things to me like I would treat a Heckler right you know like a Heckler at a comedy club but that's a completely different situation A Heckler in a comedy club you have to address I mean it's it's being forced upon you I've never been invol um really seen that I've seen a few comedians but have you got a guy going you suck oh have I oh my goodness good how do you deal with that just deal some people like I know some comedians they'll they'll say things to the dude like you know I don't know how or do you just act like he's not there no you can't act like they're not there because what I I came up at The Comedy Store in Hollywood and Comedy Store the the problem with the comedy store is the benefit of The Comedy Store and that's that the insane people are running the Asylum it's all patient it's all the comedians run the place the doormen are all comedians the guy working in the cover Booth is a comedian I'm not bullshitting everybody the guys that seat people they're Comedians and then the comics also go on stage the only thing that's not a comedian is the guy that books the room so I mean it's there's no crowd control like none so when you would go on stage there and you're also dealing with sunset Hollywood you're dealing with a lot of people also that they have aspirations that are unrealized they they want to be famous they want to be an actor they
want to be a musician they want to be something and here there are sitting in the audience looking for something wrong with you or needing attention that they're not getting like a lot of those people are [ __ ] black holes of attention you could stuff them full of trash and meteors and everything they're never going to fill that [ __ ] hole it's impossible and so they sit in the audience and the guys on stage they'll just they don't even know why they're just compelled to interrupt they're compelled to yell out sure most clubs like say if you work at a real nice club like um say like The Improv on Melrose which is a very nice Comedy Club they [ __ ] kick people out right away when you do that if you're one of those black holes that just sucks and just you just want attention they'll touch you on the shoulder sir you're going to have to leave they pick you up and then they boot you out let me tell answer this have you ever totally just like booed off stage I mean just like oh yeah yeah I've bombed I've eaten dick I know Jim Carrey has told stories that where he literally they would not let him continue his show yeah he most likely it's cuz you suck well yeah well no you know what he was doing is uh he he got away from the whole impression thing and he was just starting to go out on stage with no material whatsoever oh you can't do that that's un yeah I mean you can if you're some people can do that we do a show called Thunder [ __ ] we do it sometimes at the Ice House and the premise of the show is that the audience will yell out topics and you will Riff on it I've done like improv VI yeah yeah but it's to standup you're doing standup on these subjects but you're going out there with no material and I've done two of them they're really fun but the audience knows what they're getting into right right if you're going on and you're doing a show and I don't think Jim car's that kind of comedian anyway I think Jim car's like a big slap sticky I think he's very funny like his old standup was really good but he's more like big Impressions and slapsticky and for a guy like that to go on stage with no material well he got Bo up because of it it was actually in his bio it was a and it was someone else talking about the show where he was going out he was a cockroach and he's trying to climb under
the piano and doing this crazy crazy crazy you know like body contortion stuff you know um and uh just kind of kind of winging it because that's where he kind of felt comfortable he didn't want to become like the rich little guy that was just going to go out and do these and supposedly he's pretty good at Impressions he's very good at Impressions yeah but uh you know so he he didn't want to do that so he tried to do something else more of an improv thing well that just means it didn't work you know I mean he he probably deserved getting booed look I know that every time I bombed it was CU I sucked night yeah yeah every time I bombed it was my fault sure I mean there's been terrible audiences and I don't I forget who had that line like it's a it's a common line that comedians use like cuz like every there's a saying in comedy there's no bad audience right that's [ __ ] there's some [ __ ] terrible audiences yeah but you know if you go on stage and that terrible audience and someone else gets them someone else figures out how to crack the code I mean it just could be a really crazy Rubik's Cube that you don't know how to crack but but when you bomb it's you're bombing because it's you're being unsuccessful I mean it could be in a completely unfair environment like it could be a guy like U Dimitri Martin who's like a real slow burn sort of a dead pan very funny comedian but very low energy and he could maybe go on a show where there's a black guy who's singing and doing back flips and [ __ ] lighting his [ __ ] on fire could be some craziness and then you ask a guy to do like real slow paced dead P they don't get it it's the wrong Vibe it's like say if great white um had to go on after like say uh an opera singer in an opera house it's totally wrong Opera fans yeah totally wrong environment and the difference in standup comedy then in music is like if someone goes to a rock Club you're going to see some rock you know you're going to see a rock you don't go and just see live music and it could be like a country singer followed by a rapper followed by a death metal you know you don't have that it's like it's very clearly defined but comedy is just comedy you don't know what you're going to get you could you go to a comedy club like the the the store on
Sunset Strip you're going to get 15 different comedians in a night and all of them with different styles well in Europe um we've done shows over there that are such a wide range of people blow your mind and I mean we played with Black Sabbath Bob Dylan this is on the same stage same day you imagine it's like okay let's play War Pigs and go into you know Stairway to Heaven you know what I mean it's like Bob Dylan Black Sabbath Iggy Pop um Buddy Guy who's a blues guy you know just full straighte headed Blues um and people went just as nuts for Dylan as they did anybody else I I mean so the people there they're just there to you know hear great music of different styles and whatever over here promoters would never take chances like that it has to be scorpion Van Halen you know everything in the same kind of genre or whatever this was in England that you did this no it was in Denmark actually Denmark do you find that I personally find that there's they're more patient and more um polite in a lot of other countries than in America yeah you know um the other thing is I did things there that I wouldn't normally do never do here like go out in the crowd and watch bands and stuff I go it's not like I'm Eddie man Hill nobody's going to know me me you know so I went out and I'm watching like you know buddy guy who's influenced Hendrick and all these great you know and I wasn't really that familiar with him at that time but he went through this like this segment it was about 10 minutes of goes here's the stuff that Eric Clapton got and here's the stuff Hendrick took from me and oh so he's asking for credit he's kind of yeah he was kind of milking the credit I wasn't really that impressed by that part but it it is fact and I guess he kind of wants people to know it's fact that because here he is kind of not really super known and Hendrick is a you know God monster you know one of the greatest ever and he was just amazing but he wants people to know that Hendrick borrowed from him and because he hasn't got his accolades that he thinks he's do so he's going hey man if it wasn't for me know you can't do that yourself though right
kind of I don't like it that's what you know I was just mentioning it you know I'm not here to going on your show to bash buddy guy or anything well buddy guy is amazing I mean there's no doubt about it but it's just he probably doesn't have the perspective you know to to know that you don't need to say that man everybody already knows it I mean every I'm not I'm not a musician I know zero about how to play music but I'm a big music fan oh sure me too well you you you play though I'm I'm a H music fan geek man when I meet my heroes I you know uh five years ago we did a show was easy topping and uh their tour manager used to be our tour manager and I go you better hook me up with Billy Gibbons I want to do like one-on-one hang you know I want some hang time with this boy and uh and uh he hooked it up and the dude with the the most Soulful you know here here's an example okay I don't feel worthy some sometimes of of the response you know like here's an example I go to uh Japan our band goes to Japan we get up the airplane it's like 2,000 people screaming and I'm going hey we're not Mike Tyson I mean you know we're not like Van Halen or you know we're just this little band um but I understand it because I'm I'm such a fan myself you know I I'm and that's what I was trying to explain to Billy gibons I go you know you got to understand the memories you have created for me are like so incredibly important I I when I hear some of their songs I I go the apartments 15 years old playing waiting for the bus you know I mean I I have visuals from music I I literally a a picture comes in my mind from hearing a song and and when a guy's that that M has that much influence on me to meet him in person and have him be Soulful down to earth and you know he he uh he emailed me that night and I I didn't even get home I didn't get the email for two more days he was like nice meeting you you know and then when zezy top played in Palm Desert that's where I was living at the time uh he he goes hey come on down Mark bring your crew and all this stuff like the guy knows me he remembered me I I'm just like shocked but but I I get fans you know some sometimes I don't feel you know worthy of some some of the attention and stuff you know I'm totally grateful but um but I like I said I understand it because I
am you know you're a fan I'm a total fan because I have my heroes I mean the guys that made me want to play guitar do you find that that's uh something that some guys lose like as they become professionals and then as they become like better at music and become like a big- time music guy that they kind of stop being a fan of music that happens with comedy I'm I'm you know I'm not really I can always kind of speak for myself on that I I I'm still friends with like a lot of guitar players that didn't make it you know I was just one of the lucky ones I think part of the reason I was lucky is I tried to put myself in a position to get lucky which is by playing more and believe it or not it's Van Halen that influenced that on me they were playing more than everybody they played three blocks from my house in a backyard in Elman I paid $1 to get in you know the singer wow Roth was blowing a tube inside of this guy's drums and you know I'm going Whoa man these guys are are you know I was I thought they were great and everything they were playing cover songs and they played a couple Originals I think but what I was more impressed by at least at that time was how often they played they they played every single night and I go we got to do that if we're going to have any chance you know CU my thinking was I if we play more than everybody might have to play free a lot but if our name you know we might be able to brainwash people and thinking they're supposed to like us you know what I mean so so and that's what happened though it was that persistence it was that playing free um getting our name out um we just happened to be at the whiskey one night uh playing during the week not even a big night or anything and and the right guy was in the crowd that like and he came up gave us his card and before you know we're we're recording we're we got airpl we don't even have a record deal I mean we our record deal was literally borrowing 15 grand from some guy named Fred hey Fred you got 15 grand yeah okay so but we had a distribution deal so but this manager we had called alen nian he was from England he used to work for Virgin Records he had signed Berlin he signed montle crew and a year before this and um then they would sell these
bands off to Big labels well he got us on K when we had no deal and no local bands were on KT and K West with no deal it was just unheard of and but that I don't know what kind of connection he had to do so it was just a matter of you being persistent playing all the time and this guy saw that's such an important lesson for for young people who are thinking about doing something sure opportunity presents itself when you just [ __ ] bust your ass and dream it and dream it we literally dreamed things and and used to pretend I mean we pretended standing in the living room like we were playing The Forum The Forum good night really yeah yeah we used to pretend like we were doing interviews me and my singer we used to go so how long's the van been together you know were you guys naked when you were doing this just made up things no we weren't naked but but we were uh that would make it extra fun we were getting yeah that could have been kind of cool but um you know it's it's that pretending but when it becomes a reality you know like I'm six years before I was on the Forum stage in Los Angeles I was watching Ted nent swinging through this this Arena and it wasn't even a a possibility that I would ever be on that stage playing was he on a buffalo or something when he was swing he swings I forgot where he sang like out of the crowd on this big rope you know wearing like leaves and do you know him oh yeah yeah I want to meet that dude Ted Nan is an intense you should have him on your should I would love to he passed though I think he thinks I'm a liberal oh because I smoke a lot of pot I think he probably thinks I'm uh I'm and I'm anti-war but I hunt I and I also uh I'm into Archer there's a lot of things that we agree on he's he's I I think he's a fascinating character he's a deep dude and and you know I wouldn't go that far we well I just mean he's he's kind of a uh I mean he is in a lot of ways I'm not saying that he's not he has a lot of opinions let's just put it that way well they're well thought out I don't know if I would necessarily agree with all of them but they're very well thought out on his side he's uh he's got a lot of really intense ideas when it comes to hunting and conservation and preserving the he knows a lot about that that's for sure I just think that I think he thinks if I
had him on that I would attack him what I would would be the complete opposite of that honestly I'm strangle hold one of my all-time favorite songs it's one of my alltime like if I'm uh driving around in my car and I need some a good Jam I'll throw on strangle hold just out of nowhere and just always picks me up well check this out five years ago we did a show with with uh Ted in Canada in London Ontario and I stuck around to watch his show cuz I knew one of the crew guys used to work for us and and he took me around the stage during the day he goes you're not going to believe this all these cabinets all these guitar cabinets on the stage are all live like Ted is coming out of these speakers everywhere it's like it's not normal like the amount of guitar I mean his ego so so huge you know but I love that and and anyway so what does that mean what do you mean by that I'm not sure what you're saying well usually like you know you you have your like I have two cabinets working I might have 16 cabinets up there but so cabinets are these stacks of speakers is what it is okay and and usually uh two you put two in Stereo and it's plenty how many are on stage total um I've had up to like 16 cabinets before so there's 16 cabinets on stage for the whole band no just for me just for you sometimes I mean um we played a show the other day I had eight you know what I mean it depends on how big the stage is but you're not used they're not all Live Well Ted has everywhere he goes on the stage Ted will be there coming out of speakers you know so it's so it's just Ted man he you know he wants to be loud and you know but it's not really normal to have working cabinets all over the stage you know you you have monitors and St like that but um what I was going to get to that I it gave me chills almost that um because I'm like you I you know strangle hold and you know being a teenager and when that album came out and everything um but the whole band went back to the hotel and I'm on the side of the stage and he goes he's going how about that gray white how about that gray white he's going could you feel that rock and roll Spirit he goes They Got That Rock And Roll Spirit yeah and he goes and I
can feel that rock and roll spirit in the air to not here yeah yeah and and he literally introduced the song that way he he's saying that how we had the rock and roll spirit and he goes and you know and and he went into Wang Dang Sweet P Tang was like Bang Gang barbecue yeah and he did that he did that for way longer than the album you know D I mean it's just great man the dude is so intense live yeah he's he's definitely a trip I saw him do the national anthem uh at a football game uh it was on television was [ __ ] incredible I mean it was all just guitar a guitar version of the national anthem but people who [ __ ] sleep on how good he is at the guitar need to watch that oh I mean it's a really amazing version of the national anthem I mean it's just [ __ ] incredible and the just there's Artistry to it you know you you talk about his hunting when he first uh hooked up with Jack blades who's a friend of ours because he produ he's the bass player for Night Ranger writes a lot of songs for Errol Smith and mle crew he's done a lot he's a big songwriter and anyways he made this band called Damn Yankees which he had Ted nent playing guitar when Ted nent came up to his Ranch in uh Santa Santa Rosa within 20 minutes he had a he was boiling a squirrel in a pot that he' shot on his property boiling squirrel whoa I mean you know he's he's already out shooting stuff I mean it's just crazy boiled squirrel yeah I don't know about that what happens a verment for comes off or uh yeah yeah you got to skin it I've had squirrel I had squirrel recently my friend Steve Rella cooked a squirrel that he shot H uh it doesn't taste like anything else it doesn't taste like chicken or not like all game or anything no it wasn't G it didn't taste bad I me tasted good I mean he knows my friend Steve Rella is the host of this show called meat eater he's a professional Hunter and an author and he he knows how to cook game so I you get a lot of really uh cool guests on your show different walks of life and yeah that's really cool that you can handle all that that you you're well-versed in different subjects and stuff like Fitness and well I'm very fortunate you know that I can talk to all these
different people it would be incredibly rare to be able to sit down and just have long-term you know long form conversations two three- hour conversations with just a bunch of random people like that you know whether it's Steve renell or I've had David Lee Roth on or all these different characters musicians and artists and you know pretty cool actors and strength and conditioning coaches and it's just it's interesting to have uh a bunch of different people oh by the way I wanted to tell you something um I wrote a Joe Rogan song no way yeah I wrote a little blues uh oh Joe Rogan song yeah should I hear it should I leave the room little song about Joe seems weird if you play it I'm in the room I can handle it though I won't play no you can play it please I'm honored I'm just kidding yeah you want to play it now no I just whatever I don't care well well if you have it now we could play it now now that you brought it up it seems like the best time to do it yeah yeah don't don't chicken out come on man Play the song about me dude yeah yeah don't be announcing something and then uh say well I'm not going to play it now well I'm excited that you brought the guitar cuz I wasn't sure if you were going to you know Joe's a busy man from his head down to his toes from Los Angeles baby I'm down in Mexico his shower pulverize you leave a little smile on your face his timing is impeccable in a timely kind of way you know we get what it wants and that's a guarantee oh [Music] yeah here you yeah where you going man head you yeah with that little gun in your hand he Joe I've been trying to get a hold of you for days he Joe now you got me singing Purple Haze you know Joe's a busy man in this busy busy land it [Music] you I am very honored yeah but that might be the worst song I've ever heard in my life sorry dud okay I'll put the
faster m f Hey Joe [Music] sorry dude no please that's awesome I'm just kidding I couldn't like I have to make fun of it I don't give haters any energy anyways is cool when you sit down and write music do you have like um an idea in your head when you sit down and Bri or you just start struming and like how does no I I have ideas I'm actually you know the past few years when I get a riff in my head usually when I'm in writing mode like we're going to do a record soon or something I used to not really be able to get that close to what was in there but I've been able to kind of get closer uh these days and one thing that I've learned over the years and that is when you have this energy and this thought and this this musical idea whatever it is make sure when you're vibrating at that wherever you're at at that moment to record it because if you don't do it the following day you might not forget the rift but it it won't have the same energy the delivery will be way different it might not be the same rhythmical thing so it's best just to don't be lazy if you have this huge idea like at midnight or something just grab your phone or grab something and and and put it on tape so you don't lose it you know because I've lost a lot that's so that's very analogous to Comedy in standup comedy it's the same thing sometimes you have ideas and you just have to jump on them like if I have an idea sometimes I'll be lying in bed I'm like oh I'm not going to forget that and I'll go back to sleep and then I wake up in the morning [ __ ] what was that I learned that the hard way I don't know if you've ever watched or heard uh Rodney Dangerfield story do you no what is it his story the way his career and stuff well I know of his career I mean is it is it like an actual documentary called Rodney Dangerfield story is that what you're saying yeah yeah it's called Rodney danger St no it's uh I I'm not really sure what it was it was one of these uh A&E biography okay kind kind of VI but but he just amazing story because he uh he was a comedian and then he pretty much retired when he was 29 and his wife was a singer so they decided to retire together just get out of this stupid music stuff you know whatever and and comedy stuff so he left the business
but he never quit writing jokes he hated this straight gig you know of beating us uh being a sighting salesman you know or whatever you know uh doing sighting for people's homes or whatever and but so he never quit writing jokes so he literally writes jokes for like 11 years he just has a duffel bag full Right comes back but when he came back they they had like Bill Cosby you know they had you know this dude was he called himself Jack Roy and and and they had Bill Cosby coming up George Carlin you know um you know just you know they had Lenny Bruce just had all these these killers and they're going Jack I mean you know your material is a little better but you're used commodity you know you're look we got all these guys now you know so he goes to this club and he goes okay I won't be Jack Roy he goes just pick any name just make something up and let's I'll just go with that I'll be in this other guy so the guy comes up with Rodney Dangerfield for his name right so he does this show and kills he just destroys the crowd I mean the they're just you know socks and shoes and bodies piled against the back window and and you know so he goes maybe this is the name for me you know and uh but but it it literally when he started out he didn't really know what he was doing you know he he had uh you know doll or you know um just all kind kind of different things he wore wigs he did puppets he you know he didn't really have any direction he he was just doing all kinds of different stuff when he became the oneliner master you know like literally all these jokes are constructed perfect he doesn't go one word off I mean but he does have to write the stuff but it's just an amazing story that the guy makes this huge comeback at 40 yeah and literally has this monster career and movies and you know supposedly uh The Story Goes when he when he was asked to do kades Shack they said action and he didn't even know what the action meant like he was so green action oh oh you want me to do the bit you want you want me to do the bit wow yeah Rodney do the bit you know wow he didn't know what action meant you didn't know what action meant well Rodney is a really interesting example of of show business I I uh was working at uh a place called Great Woods it in Mansfield Massachusetts it's a
Center for the Performing Arts like concert place and uh I know there did you ever perform that you guys per sure when did you perform there what years shoot oh did you perform there in the 80s several times yeah I bet you guys perform there when I worked there that could be I guarantee you did we did a lot of show we played in 1984 we were on tour as Judas Priest I'm pretty sure that hit there yep and I was working there in ' 84 84 with it was called def no I wasn't actually because that was before before I graduated high school I graduated high school in ' 85 so I I don't think I worked at greatwoods now that I think about it until 86 or 87 my my uh keyboard player Michael lardy is a like he's like an almanac like he could tell you the weather the time what day we played there the the dates I can't really you know right but um so I can't really tell you when when it was point is I was I was there backstage and Rodney Dangerfield uh was getting ready and he all he had on was a bathrobe bathrobe and slippers he got to a certain point in his career where he liked to go on stage with a bathrobe on he just did like gave zero [ __ ] he was like in his 60s I think at the time I'm not sure how old he was somewhere around the 60s but he was just so relaxed and so loose that he felt most comfortable on stage with a bathrobe on and no underwear he would just go like they would all laugh like the guys would laugh like his [ __ ] balls would be hanging out of his uh out of his his bathrobe and he'd just be hanging out backstage hey what help yourself you want a sandwich come on in kid you know like yeah super friendly and relaxed he he's a friendly man and a sweet man but he really felt that they say he was a really tortured soul from from like his childhood like his parents hated him and his mother you know didn't show him any love and all the stuff is that's why you make a comedian yeah and and what they said was is he was trying he was uh just fighting against his childhood with his material he he's told people alls I have is my act you know what I mean like he just felt he was so wronged in his life that he he that's where he came all his material comes from that being wronged you know yeah no respect no respect the actually the the no respect line didn't
quite come at first he was saying you know with me nothing goes right but it was always jokes about how you know how wronged he was and and that's all his material stemmed from that and it's actually a brilliant story because it it's such a fighting heart story it it's he he had to grind so hard Harder Than You Know Than You Hear normally um you know even when he got on Ed Su or he auditioned for Ed Sullivan Ed Sullivan didn't call him for like weeks it just tortured him it was like am I going to have a life or no you know it's like if he calls I will if he doesn't I won't that's how that's how crucial it was cuz he'd already kind of burned out in the clubs he he needed to get here and and even all the comedians were that were interviewed saying if you didn't do Sullivan you just ain't you ain't happening you know what I mean like you literally needed that show to make your name to get your name out and then it became Carson and Letterman later yeah now Carson was another problem um he made a mistake um someone on the staff of Carson stole some of his material after seeing him like at an improv kind of place well Rodney wrote a letter to Carson saying hey you got a thief on your staff he was blackballed that was it he Carson was so pissed off that he literally black but he didn't want Rodney on the show well time elapsed and I guess the uh producer of the show and Johnny Carson uh went to some club or something and they couldn't get in we're going to leave and Rodney dangerville was there and he goes I got you guys a seat and they came in and and he apologized to Johnny Carson he said I'm sorry you know I was wrong or whatever and um and so he had him on the show and he destroyed he he destroyed Johnny Carson Johnny Carson was just in stitches laughing everything this guy said he was brilliant yeah he he was one of the greats in my in my opinion one of the all-time greats and really unique sort of a way his his style very unque and great in movies too like back to school yeah I mean he was amazing man was and you know he actually wrote the idea from that movie uh back to school but his idea was going back to school broke at like total loser and Harold RIS said you know my dream was always to go back to
school rich as hell have all the money I have now go back like hey moo you know okay I'm at school where's the chicks stuff you know what I mean and so he gave him that idea and then they Incorporated the two ideas and and you know back to school it was brilliant obviously once he was rich guy you know God that was a great [ __ ] movie and then how about easy money oh that was a great movie too great M I love he couldn't smoke or drink else you know for the million and when remember when Kennison played the teacher in uh back to school oh yeah yeah oh that was [ __ ] K uh he he was an amazing dude he very big music fan yeah you know musician himself he really liked to um in fact our producer of our very first album Michael Wagner he did Wild Thing That Wild Thing They had the video and everything yeah he actually recorded that and uh yeah so he was around musicians lot Kennison is uh he's in my opinion he was the greatest of all time for like two years but he's a great lesson too for comedians too because he he went from in my opinion being one of the greatest of all time time to towards the end of his career he was terrible he just just became do you think um do you think the drugs yes to play in that oh yeah I do too 100% I think Coke that's why I think that um you know they that's a perfect uh metaphor or whatever for wasted talent because if somebody's really strong and kicking ass I don't think it's a a coincidence that the guy's doing a lot of blow now and his shows kind of going downhill you know what I mean you got to put those two together 100% I'm playing the most consistent I've ever played espec you know since I've been sober for I you know going on six years but you know you feel similar from day to day you're not waking up in pain and and having to fight to be normal and all that you're not going to do what you do at you're not going to be at your best when you're doing this stuff to your body you're not treating yourself well yeah I play more consistent now than I've ever played in my life from show to show I believe it I mean and and I really pump myself up I I don't go out to just entertain people I want their jaws dropped I want to impress the crap out of them you know and and
um because I think that if you're if you put that much effort into a show going for the pulverized level and you and you maybe have an off night and you only entertain not not El lost you know what I mean but if you just want to go out there and just entertain people and play your songs you know let's rock let come on let's rock you know that just doesn't get it for me one of the problems I have is the 22 hours in between you know the show I mean you're waiting you're traveling and you're doing all this stuff just for this two hours it's like I want to get the maximum out of that two hours you know I don't want all this traveling to be away right like I've heard it said they they pay me to travel but I I play for free that's a good way to put it's the hardest thing about like if you talk to any boxers they say the easiest thing about the boxing is the fight right it's like it's the training and getting up at 4 in the morning and you know drinking raw eggs and whatever else you you guys I don't think they do that anymore not drinking R egg that's just in the movie yeah that's just in that movie but yeah I get that but you know what I'm saying it's yes the preparation the most difficult aspect of preparation it's everything is uh even in pool I think um you know Shane Van boning there's a reason he's number one I think he practices more than everyone oh he practices at everything at at the break at you know shot making well I was um I was there for I've been there for a couple of his matches live um but one of them uh where he played Earl Strickland and after the match we all went to the pool hall and Shane played by himself for hours I mean ands ands justs upss and just doing it doing it then after he got done doing that then he played three cushion Billiards by himself oh wow I mean he just he's just a machine and that's how you become successful your attitude like that attitude about performing is just a it's so important and it's so important because that attitude of gratitude of respecting what you're doing and loving what you're doing and really being enthusiastic about the performance wanting people to have a great time is everything it's not ego it's not about
your ego I don't really believe that I just want to give people their money's worth and giving my all like really feeling like I gave them everything I had available it it it makes you feel like he got some self worth you know and and uh and plus you get people going whoa did you see that you know and man I want to give them their money's worth you know [ __ ] yeah well you're the only guy that can provide the Mark Kendall experience I mean you you are Mark Kendall if they want to go see you you're the only guy that can do it like I said that to my friend Ari once and I I stuck with me after I said it I'm like wow it's so true we were talking about comedy and Performing and he was just starting to build a following and I said dude I go if you're an Ari shaffir fan and I'm an AR Ari shafir fan you're the only guy that can provide arri shaffir like there's another guy might be able to steal your jokes another guy might be able to try to mimic your delivery but if I want to go see this crazy [ __ ] named arri shaffir you're the only guy that can give that to people you're the only one out there that's Ari shafir sure and he was like wow that's that's totally true I'm like it's totally true like it's your responsibility as The Keeper of the arri shafir act the arri shafir material and you know and you as a human you got to go out there and you're the only one that can do it and people out there are fans and they want to go see it and you're the only one that can provide that and you got to kind of and Ari does but there's some comedians who don't like I've seen comedians Go on stage and just completely phone it in and half ass it trying out new material cuz they didn't care if the audience got a good show because the audience should just be happy that they're there like that's I can feel that I can feel that with just about any Entertain You know uh whether be a comedian a band I can tell when someone's going through the motions and I know the fans can read that too I never the the way that we've as a band have eliminated going through the motions is allowing ourselves the freedom to make new music if it wasn't for if I was just some oldies band we would have probably been over 20 years ago because I'm not going to go out and just play once bit and twice shy once a
year and I mean I need to be creative that's why I got into play guitar is because wow you can make up stuff you know and I want to continue to break make up stuff you know and that that's what keeps me going also we do a lot of stretch out jams and stuff that are different from 9 to night so I don't know what's going to happen before it does you know so that's the way I eliminate going through the motions but um you know I I think uh that's even for a comedian it's writing new jokes trying out new things um would keep it fresh for you don't you think no doubt no doubt and I think that's an important point that I wanted to ask you about um with when it comes to music with some bands they reach a certain point and then all anybody wants to hear is their old stuff yeah they don't want hear new music like there's C certain bands they'll go and someone yell out do this do that and then they're like oh we got a new song and people like oh [ __ ] a new song well I don't know if they're going to go uh but that could be but um one thing we don't do and that's is bombard people with new music and we're not going to go out there and play like 10 new songs or anything I why not we want to give them all what they want unless we were just going on a tour to play our new album I mean that that's one thing or maybe just play a few shows like that we're just going to play the Eli record we you know or whatever um but is that sort of a a thing that happens to rock bands they get kind of trapped by their past success yeah um I don't know if trapped is quite the but um you know I I take it as a total blessing that we have those songs when we play these songs I still like playing them we're playing for a different audience every night it's not like if we were standing over there playing playing the song for the same guy over and over and over would probably get old but we got different you know different response um it's a different feel that night you know we stretch it out we bring the crowd into the show I mean we do different things you know but um I don't mind I when I hear us on the radio even today I get tingles you know so um going out and playing the stuff that people want to hear isn't a problem with me it's just I don't want to just only do that I I want to incorporate new new
things and and a lot of the people like some of our new stuff too what what is it though about it what I was going to get to is cu it's so completely different than a comedian comedians have to have new material all the time the last thing anybody wants to hear usually for the most part is an old bit like sometimes people will request they like want to hear something again you know they that they're That's a classic but they want at least like 70% of it to be new you know they want almost as it's much new stuff like a few Classics thrown in is great but the last thing you want to hear when you go see a comedian is the same act in the same order that you saw five years ago that would be horrific It Well yeah if it was the same I mean e even like majorly Pro bands I'm talking like you know well you know I mean just any band they go do a similar show every night on a certain tour MH now maybe they're not going to come back and do that give you that same look again next year but but I I even like we did a tour with kiss and every night they were saying the same thing to the audience it was like you know cookie cutter reaction you know it's like oh and now he's going to say this you know so it's uh how many of yall like Co Jen yeah word for word man he's not going to mess it up somebody made a video or a CD rather of all of Paul Stanley's uh in between banter in between songs it's [ __ ] brilliant it really really uh powerful in the sense like their live album the one they did years and years and years ago was the most sought-after bestselling you know and some of those things that he said in between the songs became very famous you know like the Cole genen thing you know I mean it's pretty cool yeah that's awesome a Ace Freely is actually going to be on this podcast April uh 23rd oh good good I'm [ __ ] very excited I'm hear that because um one thing and and I'm not going to take sides or do any kind of stuff but I I really feel bad um you know that they're not being given any credit from their former bandmates you know to just write them off as Hired Guns when they were part of I mean that drummer Peter Chris wrote their biggest selling biggest hit of the man's career uh on paper at least you
know that's that so to just call them hired grunts that were in our band a long time ago I understand that they're bitter because of addiction problems and stuff like that but um you shouldn't you know throw your brothers under the bus uh you know I I'm not going to sit here and speak for them but I'm just saying I I feel bad because when I was a young teenager just about every one of my friends were playing air guitar to uh Ace Freely you know what I mean Ace yeah you know what I mean just uh noodling in the air and I I just think he should get some kind of credit I agree uh I'm you know I I don't know the ins and the outs of their disputes Chris nor do I but I do know that um Ace Freely was I was a huge fan when I was a kid I mean I think he was a huge part of the band you know during its uh successful years I think you some of his song and some of his riffs are some of my all-time favorites you know that that kiss I'll tell you something you know imagine this Eddie Van heill and you know how great he is when they first got their record deal and Rodney bingenheimer actually introduced them at the uh in Pasadena at the Pasadena Civic um they they were signed by Warner Brothers it was all going on Eddie goes into the solo and the end solo that he did was the Ace Freely solo you know he actually did the ace fre the solo so come on I mean you know let's give this guy some credit yeah Ace bro I don't know what it is Ace is the man with you know I I don't know what it is what they what the dispute was between those guys who knows who knows it's not of my business and I I I just in no matter what it is I just think you know even if you you hate each other or whatever you got to give the gu's do just just give him is due I mean still hate him forever whatever you're going to do but just you can't just say he he was just a Hired Gun when he was such a you know as far as what young teenagers he was a hero to a lot of people you know is that what they're saying now is that like well they were getting inducted into the Hall of Fame and they're just basically saying that you know I'm not quoting anybody I'm just saying that you know they were they wanted to just have their new guys you know the guys that have been in the band
for a long time um be there or you know they in other words they didn't want the the original guys up there playing with makeup on when these other guys in their band had makeup on it was just going to be a circus you know yeah oh we got two Ace fre you know we got two drummers with the same cat thing and you know and I totally get that well they tried to do different characters for a while remember did they I'm not really uh that hip to k i I don't know much about him they didn't try to replace Peter uh Chris at first they replaced Peter Chris with another dude who had different kind of thing sort of different thing that would make sense you know to have but now they don't now they have a guy who plays Ace Freely and a guy who plays Peter Chris which I know who the guy is his named Tommy theer he used to be in a band called black and blue like years and years ago um is there a break to where you can go to the bathroom go to the bathroom now man yeah go don't worry about it there lot of stuff that I could talk about see ladies and gentlemen this is the problem with having a podcast like this a lot of people don't have the kind of bladder control that I've developed over years and years of uh podcasting and working the UFC I make a joke out of it because at the UFC uh Mike Goldberg my co-host he hates want to talk about this but tough [ __ ] the dude has Tope like six times every podcast every uh broadcast so um I've developed the ability to to maintain and to hold my bladder because I'm a big boy okay and because I know how to handle my my my coffee and my uh stimulants that's the problem really is when you start drinking [ __ ] like Red Bull that stuff [ __ ] with your bladder um I uh just announced today that I am going to be uh in Philadelphia on uh October 17th October 17th I'm at the Tower Theater and uh as of today today is uh April 10th uh the pre-sale is going on right now if you go to my Twitter page AG that's at Joe Rogan and um also this Friday night I'm going to be at the Ice House in Pasadena and it's uh one of the shows that Brian has put together and I know there's some uh funny people that are going to be on it Christina pizitz is going to be on it um Dave Taylor's going to be on it I don't know the full
lineup but uh I'm sure it'll be awesome that ice house is one of the greatest places in the world to do stand up and it's also the small room too which the small room is really uh a special room it's only about 80 seats total so it it sells out every time pretty much and uh just one of the coolest places to perform and do standup uh somebody sent me this on Twitter the other day and I wanted to show it to you mark as you've gotten back it's a picture of Jimmy Hendricks when he was really young with his guitar oh yeah I have actually seen that picture before yeah that's amazing yeah cuz he played with like the eely brothers and and uh you know he played when he was up and coming he was playing with a lot of people um that's Little Richard and stuff like that and uh so yeah he had a different look yeah that's like no one's going to se it from there it's on my Twitter that's say such a amazing picture though you know you're around the MMA and and UFC uh uh are you a fighter yourself are you just uh fascinated by the sport or um well at this point in my life I'd have to say I'm just fascinated by the sport Bo but I've done martial arts my whole life I used to compete I used to be uh Taekwondo champion and I used to teach Taekwondo for a living before I became a professional comedian and um and I still I still train I was such a great fan a big fan you know I had a lot of tapes and in like the ho Gracie days and stuff and all that you know and and one thing that blew my mind because I've always been a boxing I'm I'm I was a boxing fan and you know then I started watching this UFC stuff and I was like w and these guys it's so intense and it seemed like well at least back then that the Grapplers had I mean that was the nuts as soon if it went to the ground you were done with po you had no chance threw in there another Pool term the nuts yeah people don't know the nuts means you're stealing you got it down you got no problem you're winning no problem yeah he's going to win every time from the ground and and that that that's what amazed me it's like I thinking you know cuz Bruce Lee used I just there's no one like this guy how could anybody beat him at anything but then I wonder if an expert Grappler somehow got a hold of them but I I don't think they could oh listen listen they
could Bruce Lee was an actor and Bruce Lee was a tremendous martial artist Bruce Lee was a real innovator and Bruce Lee is responsible for the idea behind his jeung do which was that you could take all the best aspects of all the different martial artarts and combine them together so in a lot of Senses Bruce Lee was the original mixed martial arts fighter but he had very little competition experience and very little real fighting experience amongst Elite Fighters like a at the UFC level yeah I didn't know that he was more of an actor and he was a a great martial artist is not to diminish him in any way I mean who knows if the UFC had been around when he was uh I mean if he was born in this era and you know the UFC was around while he was at the age that he would want to compete at who knows he might have been in there and he might have been a champion but the reality of the situation is what he was was just a guy who was a a great martial artist who was ahead of his time and a a true true innovator but to say that a guy like henan Barra who's the UFC bantamweight champion right who would be the guy that he would compete against to say that you know he wouldn't be able to catch Bruce Lee he would [ __ ] Bruce Lee up believe me if they I mean things like this this is interesting me I mean if they both were if you took the Bruce Lee from the movies and the hen and baral from the UFC from you know like pulled him out of a time machine and stuck him into the Octagon H and barow would have his way with him I mean it's just he's a just a completely evolved fully trained mixed martial arts fighter at the very highest level of every single aspect of the game doesn't mean that Bruce Lee couldn't have reached that level as well he I mean he was amazing he watched some of the fight scenes there was no one in that time that was throwing kicks the way Bruce Lee was it seems incredible to me amazing his movement his speed and also his speed is insane his his understanding of choreography and the drama and excitement of what he was doing in those movies was just unprecedented there was nobody like him I mean I'm a huge huge Bruce Lee fan but if Bruce Lee fought hen and baral my money's on the Brazilian I mean without a doubt but that's just reality you know sure sure you're not taking anything
away from Lee you're just saying just stating the fact I'm a huge Chuck Norris fan but if you know Chuck Norris had to fight the the elite of the elite in mixed martial arts as well I mean he would have to be in that game and train in that game get to that level and then you would see but you can't know it's like saying man if Tom Cruz played professionally God he would beat everybody I saw him in the color of money come on man imagine you know imagine if Tom Cruz had to play Shane vanon get robbed he get weit from me too he get weit from everybody well he probably can't even play anymore that was the thing like there's only a few guys that have ever like really pulled off looking like a pool player in a movie like Tom Cruz he did sort of did it he sort of did but if you see some of the shots where he's setting up uh his mechanics look a little bit hokey a couple times but Paul Newman and the Hustler was not very good I mean it was awkward his his his act was fantastic he brilliant at the performance but you watch him shoot things like that bank combination the bank combination you would never see not only that you know it was an accident you know they told him to just knock some balls around and you know we'll just to call that shot no one in in the history of ever it's a stupid shot no one would do it you're playing straight pool you're going to play s or you're going to do something else yeah he tried to make a bank shot and he didn't even realize that he was going to make a combination made a com andbody like it was but Jackie GLE could play you he R he can R 100 Balls he was uh uh actually used to hustle pool before he even acted I mean he he was like for real well you can see his stroke he's got a very gentle stroke like you can see the way he's holding the que that's a he's a real pool player so there's only a few of those guys that have ever like played in movies and looked looked legit gleon could really play he could really play he was he was a actually Hustler and I know for a fact that he is good player Paul sorino apparently can really play too I don't even know I I have heard that I don't know how good he was um I haven't heard of anyone that played GLE and speed from like Jay hord or something who who
kind of would know I but that that's all I've heard I I know I couldn't get there with that guy yeah there was uh there was a few guys throughout history that have played like pretty good uhhuh but but everybody says that Jackie gleon was probably the the all-time best guy yeah as far as like and and I think a lot of that reason is because he was a pool player before actor yeah that's big it's like with John Schmid you know John right MH sure yeah he was a golfer before a pool player that really yeah I mean he literally golfed with Tiger Tiger Woods in in college and he's played like State events and and all this stuff and he's a scratch golf so he goes you know any pool player that wants to play me in golf for money can get like Strokes from me you know what I mean that's interesting he was a golfer before he was a pool player but it's interesting that he went into pool over golf because there's so much more money in golf yeah I don't really have the answers for that when he met Bobby Hunter years ago supposedly he was working at a golf course um I really don't know why he wouldn't go um but he even said I guess back then when he was like I don't know 17 or 18 that Tiger Woods was the best golfer but he said that he could probably never compete on the PGA level he and he said that he he was saying that I'd not not make a good uh John Schmidt yeah could he goes yeah Tiger Woods is better than all of us but I don't I don't think he could ever like make it on the PGA or anything he thought that about Tiger Woods yeah yeah he goes I I wouldn't make a very good talent agent or whatever so that's hilarious so he he thought back then that tiger had no chance he just said he you know because his thinking was you know we're college guys I mean he's really good but you know he's not going to go out and beat you know whoever it was just you know kind of the thinking at that time obviously he's got a tons of respect for Tiger Woods well Tiger Woods is another perfect example of a guy who just completely driven threw himself into this one discipline and just had a dad who was also completely obsessed by it and just put all of his time and effort into it when you look at guys that do things really great you know and and
guys that are you know really good or whatever it's usually the really great guy that has worked harder you know he might have some natural ability which helps but it's with Shane almost every Walk of Life when I see somebody that just totally blows my mind they worked harder yeah they put more hours in or whatever yeah the perfect storm is the guy who's got natural ability loves what he does and works harder that's the perfect star oh that is perfect if you love what you're doing and you work hard at it you really are given your maximum effort I mean what what else can you ask from yourself yeah pursuit of Excellence that's and man that that is and it's beautiful no matter what Walk of Life it's in to watch I love to watch somebody do something that's really hard to do but they just do it effortless yeah it like in pool I just can't believe how that's why I have so much respect for the game because I know how difficult it is for my own experience right when a guy gets up there and runs 200 and makes it look hard when I'm like you know killing myself to run 55 you know the other day I ran 55 I'm like calling friends I'm going dude I just ran 55 you know right but it's like get up and just run a 100 you know at will and stuff like that it's why always said that pool is an art form that can only be appreciated by people who play it like if you don't play pool you're really not going to be able to appreciate what's going on I I'm GNA have to agree with that because that that's why I was so kind of happy that a guy like you that's really busy in the business or whatever knows about pool you know just like somebody away from pool knows about it he knows what these guys go through and stuff you know yeah I just thought that that was really neat you know Jay kind of I've heard him talk about you and stuff and uh I've known Jay since the 90s I think I met Jay in 94 wow I think I met Jay when he was um when he was doing CJ wy's big professional tournaments in '94 oh wow yeah that's heavy I I didn't know you've been around that long yeah well that's when I first moved to LA I mean I didn't know you known pool got you know the pool world that long oh I was involved in pool before that I was I think I
started playing in 1990 I think that's when I really first started playing and uh became completely obsessed that's right around the time that I moved to New York uh I had a had a knee injury and I couldn't work out for a while and uh just to kill time with my friends I started playing pool and just got obsessed where did you play at there's a place called executive billiards in White Plains New York still there okay but now it's like a [ __ ] disco I've played in a few a few of those rooms out there well I also played in uh a lot of the uh rooms in the area like uh I played a lot of Chelsea billiards in New yorel West I've been there been there West End Bard is that is that where geny used to he used to play there me too me too in fact when I heard that he was um kind of experiencing a little bit of a a problem with the pills I was going to reach out to him and he died yeah like before but I thought about it because he was doing an interview and I watched it I watched an interview with Jose perik on just some random site I was just not even looking for anything I just happened to see it I oh man I want I want to see this um and I saw his interview and he'd been sober he he had some back stuff and he was taking uh narcotics for it and stuff like that you know got kind of caught up in it but he said he he hadn't been doing it for a long time he was doing doing well and I reach out to struggling addicts that's what I kind of do I I just every once in a while to say hey man if anybody out there is uh struggling and wants to try to get sober I'm available to be your sober friend you know that's that's what I offer I just offer my friendship support you know I have my own support group and stuff like that but um anyways I was going to do that to him and and especially because I knew him anyways not we weren't close friends or anything but I steered him around when he was out here you know we kind of hung out a little bit you know and um and and I was really bummed that I was a little late on that but I didn't know cuz he said he was not using and not not taking the he wasn't being honest George uh maybe I I knew George um from the 90s I mean I knew him way way way back in the day when he was a pretty decent player he was sort of coming up but he was always
squeaky clean he always drank water no cigarettes no alcohol no drugs but he had that back injury and man pills are a [ __ ] he he had uh what was wrong with him did it come from a car accient some kind of a disc uh neck where did it come from I don't know was it a I wonder if it's from pool itself I don't know it was some kind of I had a back injury from Jiu-Jitsu um and it would flare up when I would play pool there's something about the position of being over a table like bent over a table like cuz you know when you're playing you kind of have your head back and there was something about that I have a muscle that kind of pokes out a little bit that I have to deal with you ever tried deep tissue massage for that I've tried a lot of different things yeah but um the person I've used the last couple times doesn't quite go hard enough I wish he was just a little bit more power right maybe I need just got to go to another person you got to find someone who hurts you you got like a raler you get ring done ring no raling is like a particularly brutal type of massage that doesn't feel good at all bruises you instead it's well they they are manipulating I shouldn't quote exactly what they do because there's a lot of dispute about what's really going on when they're doing it but what they're doing is essentially is absolutely brutal massage that relaxes everything in in your muscles I mean it's really unbelievably painful while it's happening not unbelievably you can believe it I it's not like they're sa your leg off with a rusty Hatchet but it it sucks but when it's over man you feel great I don't know how verse you are as far as the body I I mean um because I just kind of go oh wow when I push here it hurts here or something you know I mean I'm not you know a doctor I I I mean I haven't studied the anatomy of a back or whatever but um this one person that I used to go to she did things to my neck that caused so much relief in my back just by working my neck it was like really crazy how the body works sometimes like it's all connected yeah like you're working on one spot and I get a little Rel right here from down having a person who's really good at deep tissue massage and sports massage and someone who really understands the
the connective tissue you could relieve a lot of tension in your back it's it's it's such a important thing and huge amongst athletes like athletes go for deep tissue massage on a regular basis for that very reason just because it offers relief it allows the muscles to heal more properly allows more more circulation in the area a lot of things they're doing now that are just incredible are one of them there's this cryo thing they're doing where athletes will work out really hard and they step in this thing that uses liquid nitrogen to bring the temperature down like 150 below zero and they they stand in it for like 2 minutes and then they they get out and the the the incredible cold causes all your vessels to constrict and then when you get out of it everything dilates and it it's like it opens up your system or massive release that's and flowing of the blood and removing you know I don't take a lot of you know I don't take really vitamins even I just no no I was wondering if before I go I was wondering if you could like kind of hook me up with some kind of vitamin regimen sure absolutely you and I'm some cardio action most important thing is food that's number one most important thing is eat healthy food okay um once you've got the healthy food covered then supplement ation is is a good second approach but the first approach should always be the diet itself the food itself like eating healthy food is one of the best things you can do for yourself it's one of the things that so many people ignore salmon and things like just very vegetables vegetables are huge it's one of the number one things that people ignore when it comes to their diet is fresh healthy vegetables clean vegetables eating cooked and uncooked raw you know Blended just juices just eating salads just green leafy vegetables are so important for your body and it's something that we just don't get enough I mean you when you're talking about phytonutrients you're talking about minerals all the different things that you get from vegetables they're one of the most important things that people are deficient from in their diet being minerally deficient being nutritionally deficient a lot of it is because of a lack of green leafy vegetables healthy vegetables organic vegetables and and
healthy proteins on top of that once you what are you doing over there oh sorry what is that it's a pick oh playing guitar I'm writing I wrote a whole album while you're were talking I'm just kidding um but but vitamins are good also to cover all your bases as far as like adding additional nutrition to your your diet to make sure that you're optimizing everything it's not like you'll hear like oh you don't need multivitamins you're fine you without them they're not necessary sure you could live without them but you're not looking to just live you're looking to be fully optimized and feel good the best way also is to go to someone who can monitor your blood work get your blood work done and find out you might say well the might the doctor might look at you like hey you're low in vitamin D you're low in vitamin B12 you could use some c yeah go to someone who's a real a real doctor an expert in nutrition and an expert in vitamins and and someone who can actually do some blood work on you and then from there awesome go to a nutritionist get get someone to you know you can get like there there's a bunch of different there's a company that we use I forget the name of it because we just started using it with they deliver healthy meals to your house prepackaged they do it two or three times a week and you put them in the refrigerator and it's like super healthy organic foods and you you pre-made we do try to eat organic I mean my wife shops at Trader Joe's and you know she gets stuff that's I guess you know better for me and stuff so you trailed off I guess stuff whatever well it's you know people like food that tastes delicious it's that that sens yummy food to eat a nice fat burger at 2 o00 in the morning just dripping [ __ ] oil I know I know Oh So Glorious though yeah it's it's the problem is that french fries taste great no with with your diet I mean okay you know vegetables I know I know you like to eat right do you ever go off that and just go I want a burger [ __ ] yeah absolutely yeah yeah I believe in cheat days I I I believe in at least cheat meals my friend Mike DOL calls them reward meals or earned meals you know that makes sense yeah because you're taking care of you're treating yourself good for the most part yeah you I treat myself good and then you know the thing
is though if I do do it and I'll go off and I'll have like some Crispy Cream Donuts I feel like Crispy Cream I feel like such [ __ ] physically it's like was that really worth it I've done that before where I I'll have McDonald's and just swear it off like I'll have a a Big Mac or something and it's like I feel so bad and disgusting and [ __ ] my I just want to throw up I feel so horrible like somebody kicked me in the stomach or something and then it's like I make myself forget about it and like you know four months later I'll have a Big Mac again yeah it's like why am I eating this every time I say the same thing so during the the process of eating though that mouth pleasure is pretty undeniable oh yeah definitely what it is is the the mouth pleasure that that you're getting while you're eating now let me uh ask you this um one thing I've noticed and I I don't I think it's because they do some kind of a different oil or or something but french fries from like McDonald's Burger King all all these type placees has this taste and I call it kerosene mixed with dirt or something this aftertaste is so nasty I'm can I and I don't know why more people aren't speaking about it like do you just eat these fries like they're good or something I'm tasting this taste in my mouth is disgusting it's not old school taste like well they can't [ __ ] with In-N-Out in-n-out's got the great no in- and- out's always perfect those fries are fresh re and they're um it's privately owned you know they don't have any freaky oil coming in if you want to go off the diet in-n-out's the best way to do it because you could also get it protein style where you get a burger that's just on a lettuce like the lettuce on the top I've seen that my daughter does stuff that's not on the menu and stuff like that well the protein style is just they do lettuce instead of bun they put lettuce on the outside yeah they actually have a potato and they put it through yeah real potato you can watch them do it that's badass yeah it's totally fresh and the fries have a completely different taste because of that I've I've heard the reason you know this thing I'm talking about where the the fries have this aftertaste it's nasty is because the um f da or whatever uh approved some kind of oil they can use and they reuse it
and it's okay or something it causes this aftertaste that's in more than one uh franchise you you know so and other people I've I've spoken with have tasted it as well it's just they don't um hate it as much as me well I'm sure I mean most fast food is cooked in the unhealthiest oil there's article here's an article that was uh in um on abc.com and they're talking about most french fries served in US restaurants are immersed in corn-based oil usually considered the worst oil for human health before they're fried corn oil contains copious amounts of saturated fat known to contribute to heart disease this type of oil is also low in monosaturated fat which most Americans need more of and high in polyunsaturated fat which is in two large quantities can lower HD which is your good cholesterol along with LDL your bad cholesterol oh it's not did you hear when that um The Naked Chef or whatever like just tried to boycott McDonald saying it's not it's not safe for human consumption who's the Naked Chef he's just some one of these Chef Health Chef dudes from England or something he's a pretty young guy I thought that was his name the Naked Chef I might have the wrong Jamie Oliver Jamie Oliver is his name he calls himself The Naked Chef yeah okay you know who I'm talking about yeah and um he was talking about all these ingredients in McDonald's that were like really bad and not not safe for human consumption and so they changed a bunch of stuff like great he was successful at and uh that's great I mean I think that look there's a lot of things that people eat that they should be allowed to eat things that are unhealthy I mean you should be allowed to go to Crispy Cream Donuts when you're going to Crispy Cream Donuts if you think that it's healthy you're a [ __ ] idiot all right you know I mean if you think you're getting one of those cream filled delicious sugarcoated monstrosities if you think somehow or another that's good for you you're a [ __ ] that's on you if you're going there and not going to Whole Foods and you know getting fresh vegetables but it should be able to exist because you should be able to go and get a dut if you want one there's nothing wrong with it it's just a matter of managing your health matter of managing the input what's coming in what's going out what
what are you doing for exercise what are you doing for health and then if you want on Sunday to throw a [ __ ] ice cream sunday in the mix whatever throw it in there you going to work it off there's nothing wrong with it's not even working it off it's just a matter of making sure that the balance of your diet is healthy yeah I get that man that that's cool and occasionally throw in some but you could also make healthy choices as far as like what you throw in you know you could throw in some better stuff you can throw in some you know there's some terrible things for you and there's some things well might not be the best thing in the world for you like pizza with vegetables on it might not be the worst thing in the world for you but it's not the best thing in the world for you probably because of the with the oil and the grease and and stuff there's a little of that but really as long as they use olive oil it's actually probably good for you the real thing is the bread the dough we cook with olive oil so at least I got that olive oil is great for you olive oil is fantastic for the body you know there's uh there's a lot of oils that are healthy you know fish oil is great for you there's a lot of oils that are coconut oil is very good for you you know raw coconut oil especially is fantastic for you it's just it's just hard to really educate yourself on what's good and what's bad that's why like if you're thinking about doing it and I know you got some money go to nutritionist man get some of doctor up definitely you know I mean I've I told myself this year I'm really going to get into into some Fitness and I've been doing tons of sit-ups every day I've been you know working with lightweights but I'm kind of if I was an if I was a a hardcore addict I would be at the point right now where one foot's in the door and one is out so I got to get serious I mean I really want to I don't care if I get in a boot camp do something but I want to eat right and do all this stuff you know what I mean want you try yoga just feel like amazing you know I have done a little bit I I practiced some yoga just on a on a video like watching this chick and just doing stuff she's doing and it's really makes you feel good uh the stretching it's like really cool I was doing stuff for my lower back and it was
like awesome I'm going whoa it it it's like it it it hurts in in kind of a you know you feel this this strain of the stretch but after you're done with it you feel there so much relief in it your body release yeah the release is so it's so worth the pain for that release feeling you know the world would be a far better place if people just committed to doing yoga a certain amount of days per week if the majority of people in this country just just the majority of people listening just decided I'm going to do yoga three days a week the world would be a better place people be more relaxed they'd have a better perspective they'd be more in the moment better balance there's a reason why these skinny Indian dudes have been doing these same poses for thousands of years there's there's something to it yeah it's it's hard stretching I was been told by the a guy that done acupuncture for me a couple times he goes Mark you need to move you need to stretch you need to walk you need to do something you're getting older and movement is so important for you it's huge yeah because if you're lazy in the sense of just being a couch person that just kind of doesn't have a lot of movement to your life that's really bad T so I I like to stretch a lot I don't even jump out of bed I don't even take chances like that like this take chances with my back my back's kind of it's it's a little bit torched I I have to like I do a lot of stretches and stuff and uh is it from uh an injury or just from Guitar from carrying guitar yeah probably a little little of that you know jumping around the stage for 30 years you know I'm sure that's helping when you play do you look down like a lot um when you're playing no no because you play all close my eyes most of the time actually do you find your posture like you my posture not probably not the greatest um my back's not really horrible it's just um sometimes it goes out a little bit or you know I just have I've had some really some of the worst pain in my back and neck from reading or from uh writing even from sitting down in this this pose where you're like staring at a keyboard like the the neck forward the the head forward pose is very bad the whole balance thing supposed to yeah the whole balance thing for me is how things happen to my back
is I can be making a a sandwich and and something could go on my back it's never from lifting I I could lift all day and I'm fine you know it's always doing something some stupid thing that's a balance thing or something yoga get into it Mark kendle buddy do it yeah yeah tell me where you live well after the show tell me where you live don't say it on the air people [ __ ] show up at your house you know I wanted to kind of mention um our website because uh when you go there you can find out if we're playing in your area it's called official great white.com okay and we're playing in Hollywood man this Sunday oh cool we're playing West Virginia on Saturday and on Sunday we're playing to celebrate the rainbow Barn Grill's 42nd anniversary and we're headlining this place is legendary I mean the stones have hung out there I mean you know um just just every limie kill Meister from mortad is there every day like playing video games or something but it has so much history behind this place that I'm really happy to be you know head lining the event to celebrate it because it's uh you know for people who don't know it really is an it's a rock it's like every band even if they played The Forum you know they would go to the rainbow it just such a known legendary place you know um what where are you playing are you at the rain they're doing it and the parking lot in the back and you can actually they're allowing people to drink alcohol for you know you can't do this unless this is happening so you know so they're allowing uh it starts at 2:00 they're having a lot of bands that were from back you know even some that haven't made it huge or whatever you know but but just like that played you know the club scene or whatever I mean they have a couple that are you know like the bullet boys and and uh uh Tracy guns from um uh LA Guns or whatever but um you know there's a lot of local bands playing during the day and stuff and um you know we're playing West Virginia the night before in an arena with some band but um we got an early flight that day we're just going to jam out and celebrate with these guys wow that sounds awesome that sounds really cool yeah that is a real iconic place and uh the food's pretty good there and 42nd anniversary if you go there there's
going to be chicks going there it's all free it's there 42 years ago the same girls they they'll show up yeah and it's free that's cool yeah it's it's free because it's just a celebration you know um Sam kenneson brought up the Rainbow Bar and Grill in his [ __ ] HBO special every everybody's been there it's uh it was just kind of a known you know kind of known I I like the whole Hollywood history I mean when when our band was playing Hollywood a lot I I have so many good memories from from that time because it was the the music and the scene was so electric it it was uh you know I mean I played gazari once and the guy painted a picture of me playing my guitar on the side of the building next to like UI Lewis in the news and Jim Morrison and Eddie Van Halen I I mean I I have so many memories of just not even playing there just going to Hollywood I I used to go watch bands I used to go watch Van Halen play I used to go just hang out you know and U that's sort of half the fun of the rainbow is just being there and see all the Freaks and all the cool people and all the you know the people like oh there's that guy there's ly from Motorhead there's all these strange characters and rockers and all these people that have been around Hollywood forever I don't really know why you know uh it's just H you know it's right next to the Rock see it's just um it's just one of those spots it's one of those spots where people just get a good vibe there or something you know well that strip is just the sunset STP is just one of the all-time classic spots in Americana I mean just really is where The Comedy Store is The Viper Room is it's incredible and whiskey the history of going back to even like days of the doors I mean or you know just to know that they played the trador or even uh you know uh early days with like Linda ronad her backup band was was like Don Henley and and Glenn Fry you know that was their backup B and they went off and made the Eagles or whatever you know that's incredible so yeah it it's it's nuts you know you know the the history it it goes Way Beyond um the the 70s and and the 80s it's like goes back in the 60s and you know I mean you God the doors look at how big that band is you know they're they're the type band like that you you don't think of them
doing regular guy stuff like they're they're to me you know you know when you're a kid and you think of a band and you like I know they don't drive through McDonald's like we do you know what I mean it's like you think like they're almost alien or something you know what I mean well hasn't that the the Mystique of that been sort of eroded by the internet like there was a thing the other day where Charlie Sheen was uh having a Twitter beef with his ex-wife right and it was that's ridiculous it was ridiculous yeah but it was the that's been that sort of thing is different now it's like it used to be when a guy was a big star that they would be sort of living up on a house behind these crazy Gates didn't know what he did now you play a show and you're on the internet you're literally in two minutes people are watching your show uh you know the show you're playing in France they're watching it in LA and you just got done with the show like two minutes ago well and then they get to read your Twitter page and see when I was getting a kid it would literally be this much of an event it would last all day I'd go byy like Robin trowers record go to my friends you know we' set up everything man get the speakers outside the window and listen to this album over and over and over now kids download 300 songs in 20 minutes before they go to school or in their iPod or whatever it's just not it's not as personal as it used to be you know like but it's more accessible it it's more accessible it's uh you know I I read I read the article with uh David girl or whatever from um Foo Fighters yeah Foo Fighters and and Nirvana and and he makes so much sense to me because I I went through all these things that he's talking about which is playing with guys that don't really play that good and we're jamming in the garage and you know pissing off my parents and you know and just going through that and improving from there and just getting better you know whatever instead of people just thrown together with their songs written by somebody else and all that you know it it's just the the some of the human element has been that's my only complaint and it's not really a complaint it's just I I just
prefer that people play music and not machines you know what I mean I know what you're saying well there's also the experience of going to the record store and looking at the album art and taking home and there's definitely something missing why am I 200 miles or 150 mil to do a photo shoot when I'm going to be the size of an ant on on you know like a microchip yeah but or whatever but you know I it's not really complaining my whole thing is I just want to get our music to the people the best way I can and I if you know your way around the internet you can you can get that done and we just got done off this big monster cruise and you know 30 bands on this big ship and we went and played on an island and you know it was like a it was great you know so I'm you know I'm not bitter or anything I know things are different it's really difficult on major labels you know because we can go record our next album at your house on your computer yeah you know well I think that puts a lot of power in the artist's hands though and it also it also puts a lot of power in their ability to promote themselves all they need is the internet now exactly and all those other closed off Avenue it's like we were talking about getting on the Ed Sullivan Show was everything to a guy like Rodney Dangerfield you couldn't get on The Ed Sullivan Show you were [ __ ] today for a comic especially boy you don't need that at all I mean my friends who have become famous from the internet like Joey Diaz and arish Shir and Duncan Trussell they've only had the internet the internet is all they ever needed but all they had to need all they needed was talent and a and an Avenue in my days I needed a staple gun and the posters and Sunset Boulevard to get people to come out and then they had to see the poster excited by it like h no another band comes by and they put it over ours oh yeah so you got to go put yours over theirs the wars of posters still the wars yeah well there's internet Wars now you know there's there's definitely a lot of that there's still a lot of [ __ ] morons out there when it comes to that kind of stuff but but uh I think it's definitely a better time as far as putting the power in the hands of the artists and these people
that are the the normal cabal that were controlling the music industry they've they've lost a lot of their power right oh yeah and you know the difference now is we don't need millions of dollars to to record and and all that kind of promotion and and that's why that there the major labels are suffering a bit and yeah the where the power comes in is we're no no longer are we just getting our little points you know where they're taking you know we make a million dollars and the record company gets you know 900 whatever and you know they throw our crumbs enough crumbs to where we don't like go away but you know but people don't realize that for most folks they don't they'd have no idea like how bad the deals were yeah especially haldale was amazingly bad and and they even speak about it on the internet you can go on and they're sit together and they're actually interviewing each other about the old days you know people think we're the [ __ ] and rock stars but we are we were literally broke they they said that their checks per week this is during the first album were $88.80 or something yeah and they were selling millions of albums millions they okay here's the funny part um they got off this tour and and the record company say you owe us 2 million dollar and he goes okay let me get this straight so if we do 10 tours and sell 20 million records we're going to owe you $20 million that's insane yeah it it's just from all the loans and that you know the first coming out of the gate but um well it's also just a corrupt system that has too much power it it's corrupt and and you know the being the artist when you don't have your own representation and and you know you just want to do anything to break out of this club scene you know you want to be a big band on big tours and so you they take bad deals you know a lot of a lot of bands have done that you know they've done successful with their album sales but their business side of it is really horrid you know yeah that's also the difference between a business person and an artist like a lot of artists are impulsive and they're just not that good at things like that they're not that
good at business and I'm one of them I um you know our deal wasn't great either and uh but we've kind of made up for that we it wasn't our whole career but at the beginning it it wasn't great bit well it's s it always starts off nobody ever says oh we got an awesome deal right out of the gate and we're very fortunate to be with an ethical record company no just you talk about the [ __ ] Scoundrels that signed you I mean that's also you think about a music company how many people do they sign they might sign a hundred and one of them might become great white you know there's there's a lot of failure involved on their end too prognostication he that that's what they call their write offs you know the write off bands but yeah yeah but for a band that's successful the the the reality behind it did you ever read that piece that Courtney Love wrote on the um the music business she wrote a pretty incredible piece about explaining the expenses and how much it actually costs and what an artist actually gets paid and how much the studio gets paid and how they go about saying how much things are worth I haven't read the piece but I'm glad she wrote something like that because it'll School the audience on you know yeah stuff that's not their business pretty incredible stuff kidding yeah well there's a little bit of that but it's also there ucational you know people will understand that you know we work really hard and we're not just walking around you know uh zillionaires or were you bummed out when the whole Napster thing came along and people started downloading mp3s and it just almost immediately sort of took the wind out of the sales of uh Records um you know I was bummed out even before that a little bit but you know I I know me like I talking about earlier I'm a fan of music and I like to support the artists I go out and buy their albums you know I I want the artwork I want to know who wrote the songs I want to know where they recorded this album I you know I I just think that's part of it and it's what makes the world go around in music is to support the artist so I go out and buy a zezy top CD and you know but when somebody comes up and go hey man I just got your new album I copied it from my friend it's like well thanks you know at
least he's going to maybe give me some feedback I if he likes it or not or hopefully he'll go see you live you know go see us live or whatever but yeah um I don't know man it is what I'm not going to say that that phrase it is what it is but it is what it is I mean we we're changing the the world is changing around us technology is forcing us to change and we have to adapt but the most important thing is you're still creating you're still doing what you love you're still doing what you're doing and then the Commerce aspect of it has to morph it has to morph to accommodate this new environment that we live in but the environment is so beneficial in so many other ways it just it just is what it is it has to change yeah there's no way you're not going to have the world change when something like the internet comes along so all these other but the be the I think the benefits way outweigh the negatives in in my opinion definitely and our fans are loyal too I mean we go over to you know Sweden or you know uh Switzerland or whatever and they're all there in front of the stage you know so so we we are blessed in that way I mean you know no matter what happens in the industry our fans have always hung you so it's like you know well that's because you guys appreciate it I'm sure that has a lot to do with it love we are grateful for our fans and I always tell them that and you know in the in the days when we were you know playing Arenas every night it's very difficult you know the the constructed meet and greets we can only meet a few and you really can't go out and say Hey you know invite 20,000 people backstage to for the party you know but we've really taken advantage of of being able to hear their stories man I mean I'm talking like stories that I don't remember I mean you know people doing my laundry and they gave me a ride here or you know they were in this certain place or this guy got married to this song or you know uh it got laid because you know the your song this one or you know what I mean it just the stories are endless and and how you personally affected these people yeah I mean if our music is involved the people's life on like that because I have again I can relate because like I was saying earlier I literally have visuals when I hear
certain songs you know like I remember where I was how old I was what I was doing you know almost like the smell that was in the air practically you know and so when people come up and have a similar story about music that that my band was involved in it's like you have to feel like that's a pretty uh tall compliment you know to you know just be involved with that absolutely Mark Kendall you're an awesome guy man thank you very much for doing this been a lot of fun been great having you on thanks for having me man we're going to play some pool Now ladies and gentlemen yeah buddy very exciting uh we got to do this again sometime yeah I'd love to man thanks for and official great white is the uh the website yeah. and and uh our Facebook is Great White Band and Mark Kendall GW is uh the uh Twitter page where you can get a hold of Mark yeah k n d l lore GW thank you very much sir lots of fun uh thank you everybody for tuning into the podcast we'll be back uh we'll actually be back tomorrow we'll be back tomorrow with uh one of the co-founders of Reddit um his name is Alex how do you say the last name oh Ohanian I Ohan o h a n i a n Ohanian I get that is must be Alex Ohanian uh one of the co-founders of redit he'll be on tomorrow and then uh next week uh next week lots and lots and lots of guests and lots and lots of guests the week after that uh so we'll see you guys tomorrow um thanks to audible.com go to Audible /jo for a free audio book and 30 free days of audible service and thanks also to on it.com that's o nnit use the code word Rogan and save 10% off any and all supplements much love my friends see you tomorrow [Music]