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friends behind and travels to Mexico to do this [ __ ] crazy race and every year I talk to his wife shaking my head I talk to other people shaking my head going that bud brutzman is a crazy son of a [ __ ] like what the [ __ ] is he doing down in Mexico doing jumps and flying over Hills well he has brought with him Rob mccaan who is apparently the man when it comes to this Baja racing stuff and uh I mean I'm fascinated by it and so uh I'm I'm real excited to to get you guys on the podcast and talk about it and I know you've got something upcoming that you're promoting that uh so people can get a chance to check it out yeah we I started racing I'm in the TV business right so I I think you think I'm crazy but this race is much like Mount Everest to me you just got to go do it it starts always starts as a stupid bucket list thing you got to go do right so I I did it one year Rob's been doing it for 25 years or 30 years I I I did it one year in 2005 and I'm I'm like I got to go climb Mount Everest I got to go do this thing so I did it um through a sponsor of mine BF gich and I'm like oh my God and this is actually leans back to you this is mixed martial arts of racing there's no rules there's no classes there there are classes but there's no rules you can do anything you want um there's consequences down there I mean if you don't train you don't pay attention you don't sleep you go out part night before you have consequences you get hurt you get killed you could wreck your car you can sit out in the middle of the desert for 20 hours you know I just went to go compete kind of like an Iron Man like I'm going to go compete I want to finish it all right right just say you did a marathon yeah I did a marathon I'm a big I get a little trophy it's fine and now I'm hooked right so then it it's kind of the lore this Majestic Place Rob will talk about a lot this Majestic place so I was like I finished I'm happy 36 hours in the car I finished it was great everybody was happy I was tired of [ __ ] then the next year I came back well I want to do it again well maybe I'll take second or third or get on the podium and then so I started chasing it and started chasing and it took me eight years every day you know I I work out all the time just to go race I I watch race videos I I as
much seat time as I can because I only do the One race a year I do about two races a year just one the practice and then I go down and race the thousand and I finally won in 2012 but then there's guys like Rob 200 wins he's wait he's won 200 times in off-road racing he's won five I all the stats over five baj b 1000s five b 500s he's he's the legend of our sport he races in trophy trucks which is not my class so for folks who don't know what what Baja racing is explain that what Rob why don't you explain it since you've done it for decades absolutely Baja 1000 is is Baja Peninsula basically start in insata race all the way down to laaz approximately th000 miles all dirt roads all dirt roads some asphalt roads sometimes we can't get through dirt so we have to get up on the highway and actually race down the highway with the traffic as Bud was alluding to there is no rules the highway is wide open the race course is wide open there's cattle there's horses there's uh are there speed limits on the highway now there are there didn't used to be yeah there didn't used to be now you know we sanctioning bodies the sport is growing a little bit and the Mexican Government doesn't want Rob doing I can't do 130 miles hour on the highway he can they don't want him to do 130 so they they've got us down to 60 but they they it's sections it's really it's kind of like in between rounds in a fight you know you get jump on the Highway you get time to relax a little bit get to take a drink of water you're cruising 60 M hour and then up ahead about 5 miles you dump off in the dirt again and you're just hauling ass in the dirt and how fast do you go in the dirt the top speed that close to 140 oh Jesus yeah yeah we go cross dry Lakes 135 140 mph through the whoops you know two and three foot whoops like waves uhhuh anywhere you know from 60 all the way up to 120 across them it's an incredible thing the the wheel travel of these trucks is you know over over 20 in in the front over 30 in in the rear the tires that we have are 39 in tall they cost a lot of money luckily both bud and I are supported by BF Goodrich um it it's an incredible incredible Sport and like Bud was saying when he got involved with it he fell in love with it and I did the same thing back in the early 80s and I'm addicted
to it um the ball 1000 it only comes once a year he Tred to win it if you don't get it done you got to wait another 365 days to get down there and do it again and uh it's it's an awesome feeling and you can't wait to get down there and do it so these trucks they have like some sort of special suspension on them where each wheel is kind of independent and they have a lot of wheel travel so they can hit these big crazy bumps and it still kind of keeps the thing fairly level is that that's the the idea behind it absolutely got a great analogy there yeah they're the front suspension's a AR independent the rear is actually straight axle but uh with you know shocks that are 4 and2 Ines in diameter coil springs that are 5 in in diameter uh the trucks they work really really well over the bumps they're amazing when you watch them in video you see the wheels just flopping around like they're just just super loose and uh it's incredible thing that that's absolutely amazing yeah they have um I I know Dodge makes a truck that's just like a a purpose-built off-road truck that that they sell for like civilians Ford Ford makes a truck well no Ford makes the Raptor right what does Dodge make dodge makes an even more hardcore version of it for the ram you guys are shaking your head you must be Ford people we just know the truck industry and both Rob and I were in early stage of develop of the Raptor I raced the Raptor in 08 Rob was in the early development of of the of the Raptor testing it we just had that conversation about testing bgo we we know the truck Market pretty well Dodge has nothing they theyve they've tried to duplicate it is what they've done there's there's something there something called a Ram Runner yeah exactly there Jamie pull up the video DOD raptor versus Ram Runner head-to-head this is uh what I'm referring to I saw a video online that was uh have you driven one of those yet no I've driven the Raptor a lot and they're an incredible vehicle um and I know they're pretty cool that you could buy them like absolutely I mean it's it's amazing to be able to go to the the Ford dealer and and get a truck that is capable of doing what the fordraptor is I'm I'm Blown Away I've been in the off-road industry
for a long time and uh it's absolutely incredible what the what the Raptor can do yeah our neighbor has one of these things uses it to go get grow see that's the uh the the difference between them is that the Raptor apparent I watched the video the Raptor is more comfortable driving around you could actually use it as a regular car whereas the Ram Runner is much more like you know one of these things something that you really wouldn't drive on the street yeah the ram run I don't know what it is I mean it's probably aftermarket or purpose built by a third party or second stage manufacturer it's not I don't I mean so it's not like as mainstream as the Raptor they they run they run and I've talked to them I've been to the plant they run like 8 F-150s and then they throw a raptor in there 81 F-150s put a raptor in I mean it's a it's a real production vehicle high high number production vehicle that was what my point was going to be is like this is become this this type of racing has become so popular that it's sort of bleeding over into the commercial Market the the the regular domesticated human beings are buying these trucks that they could just drive out into the desert and go [ __ ] go crazy and hit bumps with yeah you used to see we call you know the flat billers you know mimicking the off-road truck buying a ranger putting fiberglass fenders on it raising it up lowering it and I think uh you know Ford Motor Company saw that it's like hey we should build something that you can just buy right off the lot and and they did that I think uh 2008 bud and I both went to got invited to go to the out do some testing with the Raptor and and Blown Away by it and then they came on the the showroom and you're capable of buying those things for you know under around $50,000 it's a it's an incredible vehicle yeah they're fast as [ __ ] too right yep 62 the 62 is really fast the motor that motor is incredible I beat the crap out of in our race um did 103 105 across the diao lake bed um it's an amazing motor P that's a stock motor too that's not even pumped up my trophy trucks got 900 horsepower that's why we can do 140 but Jesus 900 horsepower yeah they're they're they're they're they probably weigh full of gas 105 gallons of gas gets about 2 mil a gallon 900 horsepower
39 in5 gallons of gas yeah yeah have in order driving a bomb in order to get anywhere and in order to get anywhere you got to have that much gas cuz at 2 miles a gallon you don't get very far it really only gets 2 miles to the gallon pretty much that's about the average with him driving that is hilarious that's hilarious you have a 2 m to the gallon car wow 900 horsepower it is a bomb it's a bomb it's 900 horsepower 100 how many gallons somebody 105 gallons wow that's crazy so um how long can that get you like when you it's not always 2 miles right like when you're on the highway going 60p up to eight yeah it'll go up to probably six wa crazy we we we try to we try to go anywhere from uh you know 175 miles to 225 on a tank of gas um with 900 horsepower the tires can't go a whole lot farther when you're out there in the desert spinning them it just starts tearing the rubber off them and so do you have spares in the back or do you have pit stops do both both we carry two spare tires on the back but we have yeah just two but every every you know 175 225 miles we have a fullon fuel pit we pull in there and stop they'll put you know 100 gallons of gas or get it filled back up and change the rear tires on the truck and then if we happen to have a flat in between spots you know they'll they'll rerack another tire so we pretty much have that planed if racing up and down the Baja Peninsula that's about 1100 mile race we'll stop every 200 miles if we do the shorter Loop races um anywhere from 200 50 to 500 miles or the other races go halfway do tires and Fuel and and hit it so bud when we did for folks who don't know bud produced he's produced Jesus Christ a 100 shows I mean how many shows you produced uh produced overhauling and rides and um rides when we did that Barracuda the the the silver Barracuda that we made that was what like 2004 or five or something 2005 yeah so that was like right around the year that you were you were beginning to race yep right around the time and I I I love Jiu-Jitsu and I love all the stuff that we used to train together and this is kind of my new my next new passion I always had to figure out something new and crazy yeah I'm going to go to Antarctica I'm going to climb out Everest I'm going to go do something stupid this is my something
stupid it was really just a I had so many TV shows on the air at the time my sponsor like hey we want to treat you why don't you go down doing this stupid celebrity race and then I just haven't returned well bud was also for folks who don't know was one of the owners of the king of the cage back in the day and Bud and I metad at Jiu-Jitsu we trained at John jaac Machado are both students of John jocks and um you were always involved in a bunch of [ __ ] nutty [ __ ] you're always off doing something Looney Tunes but this one man this one Stuck Like Glue this Baja thing boy you would get this look in your eye like a [ __ ] junkie when you would start talking about like a like a crazed crackhead just looking to get that neck fixed he's a king junky this guy well I'm sure with a 900 horsepower car flying around going 140 mph over bumps it is nothing like you've ever seen though you you have to like I talk to people like a new a good friend of mine um Andrew Hendricks he he raced Seca for years right so he's he's got him he's got his Mustang he's got an Audi he's racing Seca in the American lemon series and they're fast and he's loving it he took one ride new trophy truck sold his stuff and he's got five trophy trucks now and he's going to start racing so flat ground got boring flat ground always gets boring going around in the [ __ ] Circle it's stupid it's you're going around a circle you're going I love left left I love bad for your brain like bouncing up and down I talked to a guy who's uh an expert in I know there's a lot of [ __ ] back for your brain that's what I'm saying my whole life I'm looking at my whole all my choices I'm like it's amazing I I talk for a living what what I'm not sure if there's anything I don't do it is not bad for my brain um but the bouncing around apparently he was telling me that even just jet skiing like or or water skiing like getting pulled behind a boat and bouncing up and down he's like that's really bad for your brain like you there's nowhere in nature where you like hit water and have your head snap up and down like that he's like in nature it's like what running maybe the occasional jump you jump over things you're avoiding animals that are trying to eat you yeah yeah yeah but you know the human body is an amazing thing right
so my very first race I I I don't think I could feel my neck or my head for about 3 days afterwards my neck was so sore and I at the time and I've actually been a lot smarter in Technologies they gave me the heaviest oldest crappiest helmet it must have weighed six PBS I here put this on and then I was in the car for 36 hours with this helmet on and I thought my head was going to come off you get a Mike Tyson neck from that yeah so your body do a good workout with I do I do one I for training for thing I put a 25b plate on my head and I do this and I do that I do yeah I'm not kidding I believe you you got to you your body start to evolve and could absorb that and you actually the and the thing that helps you the most is you you're almost like a like a drunk driving you just relax do your seat belts just [ __ ] relax you you always put like Rob and I will go take guys for a ride we do on occasion they're over this on the holy [ __ ] bar and they're tense and they're so tense and their seat belts are sucked down stop breathing too yeah and they and they they sucked their their um we actually took a Seal Team guy was on my team in 09 but he put his uh seat belt so tight it like starts hurting their clav your clavicles start crushing down your sternum your sternum starts separating from your chest and I'm not kidding he's like I think my heart hurts I'm like no I swear to God am I joking no absolutely not my heart hurts I think I hurt my my heart I'm like no you just what happens really you push so much on the clavicle down sucking down and your chest is separating your ribs you're separating the sending your sternum out so like the area that they cut open when they give you open heart surgery it starts separating gets cage right here and I'm like you're not having a heart attack you just put your things come on [ __ ] get out of here you you know I took Josh Barnett did two years ago yeah well I know a lot of MMA guys do it doesn't Apple Eric apple he he goes down there a lot no he's he's been down there a lot he does shortcat racing um for yeah he did short course RAC he does a lot of racing he he told me he was involved in some horrible horrible recck RAC it was bad yeah he did he did a nose did you see I think it was like Elenor he was in that um West Coast chill truck that went over and over and over and he
uh yeah he uh he got blood in his eye and got all kind funky he same s bleeding head bleeding yeah and he was he's a novice he's a great friend of ours he's a novice he hasn't raced as much um but yeah that was well he's another [ __ ] nut right I mean he he started out his career Dole motorcycle racing they got into MMA and now another crazy adrenaline junkie the uh the idea behind this is all based on competition it's one of the things we were talking about like there's very little money in this yeah for for it it's really you know it's a beautiful sport because you don't really have to have a lot of money to get in certain classes and then there's the like the upper echelon class like Rob's class and there's not and I'll stop talking a minute there's not a lot of money into it but I don't think there's a lot how much money in yacht racing I mean there all the really big sports or or things that are on a bucket list you know there's not a lot of money in climbing on Mount Everest it's actually cost you 25 Grand if you want to go do it you it's just one of those things you have to go do right it's passion driven I mean we get addicted to it it's like a drug and we end up spending everything that we have to do it the the smaller CLS the smaller classes the they run anywhere from 20 to 50 Grand trophy trucks like I drive their $500,000 that's a $500,000 truck yep oh my God pull up a picture of one of those what what would he look for uh trophy trucks no just do Rob MCR don't you have one on your site yeah yeah yeah roback.com you'll pull it up and you know for me too there was there's a Mystique around Baja for some reason and it all basic you you go the essence of cool like as you're trying as you're trying to figure yourself out in your 20s and your 30s and you look you look back at Steve McQueen guys like Steve McQueen and James Gardner and all these other cool Paul Newman they all raced the race I mean they they did this race before and they went down and they raced they raced I mean McQueen almost won it a couple times really um Paul Newman raced it when he was 80 he was 80 went down there raced I mean these these cool guys that might be what killed them yeah poor bastard these cool guys want to go down there and race so there's a cool
Mystique to it I mean the list of celebrities and people want to go down there and race it's just interesting yeah I guess um it's a very strange thing that this has become so is that the truck yeah that's the image of your uh Trophy Truck yep that's actually a Short Course Truck there that's I I do short course racing too that's a pro to um why is there a naked girl next to you does she race with you that would make racing better absolutely that's uh Rockstar the image always have the ladies in the posters oh Rockstar Energy Drink rockar energy drink now like one of those dudes like I'm a rock star I'm out there driving around I'm a rockar no he's the most humble dri out there there's a lot of guys out there I just want to let people know who are just listening a lot of people watch this more people listen and watch it so the idea behind it came when like what year did this this this race get created I don't know you probably in in the early 60s you want to hear my version of it go yeah then I'll fix it I read once no uh in in ' 62 I'll tell you exactly the the how what happened in 62 the Honda Motor Company decided they were G they're going to put out two Enduro bikes right 1962 Steven McQueen's stunt guy um his name is Dave eans Bud eans was his stunt double in a lot of the races and I'll make this short they said said how are we going to test these bike and Market to Americans these guys are just Racers and idiots and they wanted to go okay we're going to go we're and swear to God this is what happened they went in 1962 they they went to Tijana they went to Western Union they timestamped a card and they went down to laa and they timestamped a card no navigation no nothing and they made the Baja Peninsula that was the very first run in the 60s that happened and then all of a sudden so they did a time it's kind of like you know you know the Gumball Rally mhm this is like the Gumball Rally but on dirt with huge car so they did their rally and then they posted a time like we did that in 35 minutes so then somebody else came back said or 35 hours sorry they somebody else came back says okay wait well we can beat that so they did in 32 hours and if you look at the the heritage of people going down there and saying I can beat that and then trucks started going
down there and then cars started going down there and then in ' 67 there was um there was a race 6067 there was a race the Nora right was the first Nora and then um an icon my world right um Mick Thompson who's an icon of Motorsports for everything he''s done in land speed and off-road and everything is he the guy that drove the rocket car yeah he did he WR he built land speed records for yeah he did every he's Mickey Mickey Thompson in the motors Sports World is just a is just a genius is like he's just a kind of a a Pioneer in a lot of ways he was always like a head of the game he was always building and pioneering something before its time him and prman got together and said let let's do a Race So they they started off in Tijana and there was a couple hundred guys there there was I mean Gardner was in there Steve McQueen was in there were guys I'm not kidding who had shoulder pads like football shoulder pads on on a motorcycle drop the flag and they all go wow wow so that's what started it all off y it's the Wild Frontier and it's I'm telling you there there's no rules someone's in your way you honk nicely nicely and if they don't move you move them like you punt them at you run into them with cars yes so humans are cars you're running into humans or you're running into cars cars cars depends on the day but for me it's cars try not to run into humans that's not good um but You' told me that there's a lot of shenanigans that go on with like the locals like the locals know that this event is going to take place a lot of what we talked about we talked about before we went on live on the air but besides the fact that they try to touch the cars like if you see the videos like um I don't know how much how much of the stuff can we show we can't play the music is that what it is no you can play all the other ones the other the other videos I sent you um there's here's a video right here yeah look how wide that [ __ ] thing is yeah it's about 92 in wide which is about 15 in wider than a normal truck and there we are going across the dry lake at about 130 and that's your trophy truck yeah that's a trophy truck that's Baja California oh that looks fun it is fun but look how close those people get yeah down there in Baja I mean this is the biggest sport that they have and and they they wait
year round for us to come down there and they they have uh you know such huge passion for it like I do they they at times they want to touch the truck you'll go by and you'll see him trying to reach out and grab the truck some of the other things they the shenanigans they do is uh they build jumps booby traps we call them and and they they crash a lot of cars but what they're doing is they want to see the excitement they want to see the truck or the buggy hit the jump and fly through the air and get pictures one thing it's always funny about Mexico is you see the they have the the the phone cameras and I think you can piece together your whole race by them with their phone cameras if they all posted it you could pretty much put the whole race together St them so I'll put it in perspective so if um first of all the Mexican people are amazing they're amazing to us and then it sounds like I'm making excuses for them but they are innocent enough where they just decide like they truly and I had to learn this the hard way I had a celebrity in my car and I was driving but just a random celebrity yeah no I had actually chip I had chip f with me in my car okay and we're driving and I'm doing about 90 just a r random dirt road and I see a bunch of people over here right okay I got to make sure to watch them make sure they're not darting out in front of me and there I see some Randy people over here with a fire and there's a lot of them and it's it's Dusk and they both have fires on the side of this road and I'm like this is strange what do this [ __ ] people doing on side of the road boom and I hit a telephone pole they buried in the middle of the road right and I went up like this and I'm coming down like at 90 M hour I'm like oh [ __ ] this is going to be terrible luckily the car absorbed it we nerfed in bounced off and kept going I didn't even see the telephone pole cuz I'm an idiot I'm I'm a newbie and I'm looking a bunch of Mexicans over there there's a bunch of guys over what that's really nice of these people coming out to see us oh so they thought it was cute to set up this booby trap just to watch people try to jump it and go flying through the air well I think you know I think the Rednecks would do the same thing if you if you let if you didn't have those fences at the Daytona 500 and
they could actually you know fix the outcome like we're going to we're going to see if Dale junr can jump this car right oh for sure they would do it but that's what it is in Mexico there's no fences there's no fences to keep back they're they're able to go wherever they want well and the capabilities of these trucks are pretty extraordinary they're very different than anything that a NASCAR car could do they're not necess I I have a belief some people throw bottles and [ __ ] like that but I they're not necessarily out to kill us or hurt us because actually after they wreck us they'll help us I've had them wreck wreck before in a booby trap and they'll roll the car over they'll help you fix a car with a welder they'll get help you change a tire and they'll push you on your way they they they not only throw bottles but they throw rocks sometimes they' thrown snakes in the cab of the truck they've thrown snakes in the cab of the truck yeah to you no it didn't happen to me but uh my partner in with Mastercraft racing he he was coming in inata coming to the finish at night and they Robbie no yeah Robbie Pierce from Mastercraft he got a snake thrown in the cab of the truck and holy [ __ ] thankfully it's not me cuz I I don't really care for snakes what kind of snake I don't I don't know I know it was it's poisonous or nonpoisonous who cares that you're driving 80 mph and a snake hits it and you look down it could be it might as well be a a Cobra at that point if you're really hardcore you put it in your teeth and you keep drying Bight down its head and [ __ ] you at that point you just pull over and get the [ __ ] out of the car so was technology developed uh specifically for this race to figure out how to drive fast and hit those bumps cuz this all I mean I'm fairly um ignorant to I mean I kind of understand suspensions I kind of see what but it's pretty obvious when I look at your trophy truck that there's some extraordinary equipment on that yeah absolutely it's it's developed over the years you know like when it when Bud was telling the story earlier how about it started in the 60s they were taking stock trucks down there putting a little bit bigger tires on them taking the windshields at them stuff like that seat putting some extra seat belts in them and now it's just developed into you
know big tall tires that weigh Tire and Wheel probably weighs 150 lbs a piece wow shocks $115,000 for a set of shocks for the truck 900 horsepower like I said uh some of us has automatic [ __ ] some of them manual [ __ ] um lights like a baseball stadium Casey lights as a sponsor and run seven of them on the roof and and seven of them on the front bumper and you can see a mile down the road and light up the whole desert and wow over the years it's you know we keep developing making the things better and it's the whole ego thing you want to be the first one to La Pause and you're constantly thinking about what can you do what can you make what can you build to make it go faster well go ahead no please no I mean there's an entire industry that was spawned off of this this is a Halo right so trophy trucks and Baja racing is a halo for any brand it doesn't really matter what it is we we entertain Brands like we said Ford BF gich KC they if they can go down there and Conquer Baja GoPro you name the company and they want to go to Baja and they always come to me because I'm I'm the media guy and they're like how do we do this like I don't know I'll hook up with the toofy truck and we'll go beat the [ __ ] out of your product and see if it works it's there's a entire industry if you go go to SEMA which is that big you know aftermarket parts thing there's an entire industry which is dedicated to off-road and the Halo of off-road is Baja 1000 racing it's the Halo it doesn't really you know how we um when you say it's the Halo what do you mean by that yeah it's it's really the Pinnacle if you if you go to racing like NASCAR F1 you know they stuff is developed and then trickles down so there's a pass through from everything that Rob is comp because he complains a lot everything that Rob complaint cuz it's not fast enough it's not good enough that's how you get a 9900 horsepower that goes 2 miles to the gallon he'll talk to his shot comes I hit a shock I hit this bump one time at 85 mil hour and I felt it I don't want to feel it I drive IIT all due respect he drives a [ __ ] pillow I mean that thing drives it just it it drives so when you're going all over those crazy bumps and [ __ ] you're fairly level nothing he feel
he feels nothing you you you do feel a little bit but it's it's incredible it's it's analogy we have is it's like riding on a marshmallow when you jump and you land it's like just falling like you're landing on a marshmallow wow and that's the development over all the years and and thankfully I'm in the trophy truck class which is the Elite Class I've worked my way up from the bottom driven through them allall and definitely don't want to go back and thanks appreciate that what's the difference the B the bottom ones like what are the how many classes are there well there's there's there's more than 10 classes there's there's probably six or eight truck classes and there's six or eight buggy classes and there's also motorcycles quads ATVs all these there ends up being over 20 classes at the 1000 and and they all compete against their own class they all start at their own time together against the clock they don't we're not racing we were racing all together at the track at the same time but we're separated by start time so you're really racing the clock you do have traffic you do have to get by the guys um and to to get the win what happened there I'm so used to Bud jumping on me you're flinching um so when you're when you're driving these things it's very different than the cheaper trucks like the I don't say cheaper cuz none of them are cheap but the the different classes well the different classes entry level classes exactly you got to have your entry level classes and and they're a lot more stock they don't have as much wheel travel they got eight or 10 inches of wheel travel in the truck smaller tires they're just uh restricted a lot more and those cars are a lot more difficult they beat you up a lot more they take a lot longer to get down the down the peninsula yeah that's what I was going to get at so like when you first started out you took much more of a beating yeah absolutely so now like that's that's why you're into these really cushy rods like you've been there done that I've been there done that I want to work my way up and and get to the top of the sport I've been doing it for 30 years and I've been in the Elite Class since the mid 90s so this is a good vehicle for the apocalypse except for the fact that it uses so much fuel yeah but if you have
gun you can get fuel yeah but you got to make your own fuel at a certain point in time you're not running diesel right no see that's the problem you know Neil Young makes his own diesel I think Daryl Hannah makes her own diesel out of vegetable oil [ __ ] like that yeah well Neil Young apparently has his gigantic farm he has like a thousand plus acre ranch in Northern California and he uh makes his own biodiesel and runs all his uh Vehicles off of his own gasoline so he's completely totally Off the Grid they like a conversion on the old Mercedes yeah you can do a conversion on any kind of old car well not even new cars apparently you conversions to biodiesel yeah yeah we have to we have to actually I was to run one year I was on I was working what does that show that picture of Jamie what you put up Neil Young's 59 Lincoln runs on biodiesel and can be plugged in wow I like that that's pretty dope I was working on a deal where I was going to do a truck an all electric truck down there oh instead of switching out gas is that possible yeah it's possible I mean the the lithium batteries cuz I was involved with a a truck company and they they you know my answer is very stock like how what can we do to Market this thing race it I don't care what it is it could be could be a mini bike my answer is race it we should probably go race it right I don't care could you do a I mean Is it feasible that you could have enough battery power to do that sure yeah and the torque would be amazing that's why I wanted to do the torque on those the electric motors are amazing the problem is I don't think you would go our pits my pits not his my pits are about 120 miles apart and that'd be hard to get there yeah my buddy Aubrey has one of those Teslas right and the the pickup is incredible like I was really shocked at how fast those things go like the 0 to 60 is like 4 seconds right it's been bananas and it's weird because there's no gears it's just you're just going it's not like very digital it's just it's very much like a spaceship I mean you just you hit the grass completely silent I mean you hear the tires rolling on the rubber the rubber rolling on the concrete and that's it you don't you don't hear anything it's very strange that'd be a little bit scary in Baja
because the The Spectators you they're used to hearing the race vehicle coming electric they probably wouldn't hear it coming right we could play that annoying we can play that poker music or something on it yeah there you go um how many you would have to have so many batteries though what I'm thinking is like a Tesla if you go from the beginning fully charged to the end you're getting like 300 miles I think yeah but that's all I would need to do we planned it out it'd be 120 mes to charge so we you you build a carriage underneath which are about 7 800 lb of batteries and then you get to the next pit you have a fully charge set of batteries you drop that Carriage put that carriage in Bolt it back up I'd be in my own class and I could provide them whatever company was um at the time it was a company called Phoenix I could provide them with a Baja 1000 win as a marketing campaign has um Ford or any of these other country any of the other companies have ever thought about doing something like that Ford is amazing at it because they do use Baja a lot I last year um I raced a brand the brand new F-150 the 2015 F-150 which is a twin turbocharged V6 um in in the stock class at stock suspension stock tire I everything stock on the car twin turbocharge V6 and we did the Raptor together I did did the Raptor weight he was on the testing and I raced the F-150 last last year and when you race an F-150 how much of it is different than what you would buy off a showroom floor uh nothing roll cage we had we had a fuel cell roll cage spare tire that one I had I had a radio we had cup holders I remember look at some of the vide there's a cup holder in there you can look it up online F-150 race the baj 1000 there's me and you're going to laugh at me that's it right there uh no that seems pretty different different fenders that's not no you'll see my it's the 2012 B and they pissed me off cuz I told them they did this to make me mad but they have they made me wear a white driving suit for folks who don't know bud wears Bud you're you're the weirdest [ __ ] dude I've ever met when it comes to clothes you go over Bud's house he's got all black pants all black shirts his whole [ __ ] wardrobe his entire closet is black shirts black pants black
t-shirts black underwear I'm assuming yeah black socks black socks black sneakers yep he just doesn't want to think about colors no so when they they hit you with some white did you wear it or did you just get a marker sharp I I was pretty up luckily I didn't have to get in the car at the beginning and I and and the rain was uh the weather was pretty cold so I had a black Slicker I put over top of so it rained on you and you rolled around in the dirt I've been trying in your white driver suit I've been trying to get Bud high for so long to get him to smoke pot and I'm like the first thing you going to do is throw away those [ __ ] black clothes you're going to go what look at all these pretty colors I could choose just let me get a just get let me get a little col St I start wearing pastels you'll start enjoying different colors you start realizing how ridiculous we turn you into Andy Dick and you can wear pastels it's not Andy Dick I'm saying you have appreciation for other colors no no I think if I smoke pot which I'm not going to I'd be more into the dark lord world world and I'll have maybe skulls on my t-shirts wow you would get darker yeah okay now when you drive an F-150 do you use like regular tires like you take tires that are right off of a showroom floor yeah the the we had the new BF gich uh ko2s that we raced on this on this truck normal suspension regular F-150 suspension stock dude we went hunting at tone Ranch up in uh North like uh it's near Bakersfield for TV right you did that that TV no no no this was a a recent one we went wild pig hunting toone ranch is uh this huge Ranch it's uh 1,700,000 Acres biggest Ranch in California huge place and uh this guy Cody who was one of the guides there one of the hunting guides drove us all around in an F-150 and I mean talking horrific terrain and this [ __ ] thing is driving over rocks and and I I was so impressed I was like this is like one of the best commercials for an F-150 you could ever get just going to like if you're thinking about buying one of these things what what's an F150 K belove go [ __ ] drive around to hor Ranch for a couple of days in one of these things and and think if you would want want to do this on anything else this is this is what I oh that's the Raptor that Rob um Rob and I were
involved with the development of so that's a that's a custom Raptor that's not like a yeah that we raced that in class8 and we we built it out but it that one still had the stock motor um yeah stock Motor stock Dash we did have we did have custom suspension on it it's actually that's what caused me to race the F-150 last year is they okay well we built the Raptor a little bit and you know people start chatting now online like oh that wasn't really stock so they made us race a stock car oh so just not even a raptor just a regular F-150 regular F-150 regular now did you bottom out at all with that um that's probably an understatement yeah yeah you don't bottom out with your truck uh we do but we're going you know three times as fast as the stock truck so it it bottoms out you don't feel it quite as bad it doesn't do as much damage so the bottom of your F-150 was completely stock as well no no plates or anything we had we no we did we had a um we definitely had a skid plate underneath the front on to protect the motor underneath yeah cuz we bought them out a lot that's what you see in the front of the Raptor that front piece that comes down that's a skid plate so you just installed something along those lines yep that's it yep wow and then after we raced it I mean the car was in such good shape which I can't even believe because this year was what last year see you pull up that video F-150 races Baja yeah it's a two you'll see it we put it up online um the Ford F-150 new F-150 races conquers Baja um they this was the toughest 2012 2013 sorry was the single toughest Baja thousand I've ever seen that I don't know Roger Norman who owned score decided it was his first Baja 1000 course this is my opinion I'll let Rob talk it was his first Baja 1000 he wanted to make a statement he's a former racer he wanted to make it the worst [ __ ] course you ever ever could drive and it was tough it was hard and slow and fast and narly and how do they change it he just marks the course he goes down this is the F-150 this is it right here that's it that's me driv that's a stock F-150 with just the lights on it yep wow that's you driving that thing yep I have the blue helmet sitting in my it's a great F-150 [ __ ] commercial I mean Ford's really smart doing this I'm I'm [ __ ] never
thought about racing in my life and now I'm thinking God I got to do this go with Rob Rob ride if next time the way to go go straight to the top Trophy Truck next time you're in Vegas he lives in Vegas next time you're in Vegas he'll take you out the prim go for a ride you'll [ __ ] yourself I'm there in May I'm there in May for the UFC in continent you'll become tell you what we'll make a deal I'll get you UFC tickets you uh you take me for a [ __ ] beat ride in the desert we're in his girlfriend would love that Amber would love to go to the UFC yeah all right beautiful it's good event too that's uh TJ Dillashaw versus hennah baral should be fun um now you guys have been involved in this for a long time how much has the popularity increased over the last few years because it seems like there's a lot of exposure like I'm hearing about it all the time maybe I'm hearing about it just because I'm friends with bud but I mean I'm seeing it online I'm seeing like a lot of these crazy like Ram Runner type trucks are being built yeah popular it's it's you know I've been doing for 32 years and it's it's increased um Bud's definitely helping out a lot with score this year you know with television production getting us out there on TV putting very good shows together I think here at the end of April April 20th April 20th yeah we did we just did a deal with CBS you know I just I told him this great story I won I won my race in 2012 in my class and then Roger Norman who's a new owner came up to me and I swear to God he's like well now you're a champion you can produce TV for me is what he said to me it's like great and I I I get to happy because you know you know me as I do I do TV I do all my stuff so now I get to kind of merge and I always seem to do this merge my two Hobbies together when I was doing Jiu-Jitsu we had King of the cage right right because like I got to have a reason and really a television vehicle to do something because then I get to be kind of be cool in a sport well you're kind of a workaholic and it's it helps you when you're doing Jiu-Jitsu well you know hey I need to know what the [ __ ] going on when I'm watching fights exactly right so it's it's a way to sort of make a hobby a part of your job but you do my immersion style like Robble
tell you like I've raced for 10 years and now I'm producing a TV there's not much I haven't done or experienced down there not like Rob has but he I I know the racers feel comfortable just like you know when you're commentating a fight the fighters feel comfortable that you you're commenta and go you know what the [ __ ] they're doing the setups I know what they're doing in the car I've been on the course and not not in the not in the super trucks but I've been down there going I know that course I know what D's doing this is what happens that's a booby trap so when we're editing the show I get to bring my experience into it yeah that's got to help a lot for for the riders for the drivers yeah absolutely he has as much or more passion than I do just just riding around with him today and listen to talk about all the stuff and how jacked up he gets when he watches the videos and stuff he's like a kid in the candy store and yeah buds [ __ ] show rides is what got me to I've never thought about buying a classic car but I watch this show rides I'm like God damn I want to get one of those that looks [ __ ] cool I think the show's coming back by the way rides is coming back it should come back Jesus space right back there you can put two more cars uh there's space I got a little garage you can put two cars well I'm thinking of expanding thinking getting a bigger place I got put an archery range in there's uh there's an archery range here whether you know it or not there's Targets in the back and there's a straight shot 28 yards from the front door to the back you got to tag the werewolf is that what you got no i' have a compound bow s back there oral a compound bow Target back there absolutely normal well my new thing is hunting and I've been uh doing that the last couple years I'm [ __ ] bananas about that the way you're bananas about racing so I'm trying to incorporate that into my life we do that too yeah kill animals on the race course every once in a while yeah but I don't think that's hunting I think that's just traffic jams that's just uh livestock getting on the race course yeah back to uh the the course getting tougher how do they make the course tougher rob you can answer that uh Roger looks at the maps tries to figure out the roughest worst spots on
the whole Baja Peninsula and then tries to Mark the course so it goes through all that he wanted to make a statement wanted to make baja tougher than ever and he he did it last 2013 it was a loop race from insata to insata it wasn't a peninsula run but he went to all the worst parts of Baja and had us run through it so they changed the actual place you go to so there's no benefit oh every year every year the course gets different absolutely every year it's different maybe runs the opposite direction just different different areas cuz that becomes a big issue with like say like the nurur ring which is the Benchmark that they use to test performance cars the the issue becomes when guys have raced the nurburg ring so many times they know exactly when to slow down exactly when to speed up and that has a big effect on those nurburg ring times because you know everyone's chasing that 7even minute time around the nurur ring and now sub seven minute and that Porsche 918 they've managed to go sub seven minutes which is [ __ ] insane but a lot of that is those guys knowing that course absolutely you don't have that no our stuff changes every time it's different even Loop races every time you come around there's already been a hundred other cars that have been there since you had and it's completely different Sil beds rocks are moved so that's part of the thing that's so interesting about our sport is never the same well it's interesting is and it's also the Mayhem starts with the organizer I I want to put in perspective for so you know what a tough mutter is right um I've heard the expression so a tough mutter are those you know those races they put through obstacle courses and through mud holes and you're going to take over you're going to climb up a wall and go through fire and crawl through Bob wire fans this is like a tough mutter our organizer which is Roger and and some of the guys who Mark the course they want they they it start the Mayhem starts with them because they'll put us through [ __ ] and they know we're going to get stuck or they'll go if he's not paying attention he's going to hit that rock and he's going to go flipping off the Edge and that'll be great these guys are sadistic Pricks so they're saying we're going to set up a rock there to make sure we're going to
set up the course by Rock so if you don't pay attention you're going to go flying off the edge of a cliff uh yes and I I've been I'm not kidding sometimes it'll be it's really weird you'll be reading the terrain reading the terrain you'll come up over this rise and there's a left hand turn and if you don't pay attention you're off oh Jesus Christ so it starts with the sadistic Pricks that are down there marking the course am I wrong no absolutely right well you told me once that you were driving and You Came Upon a wreck and a guy had his bone sticking through his leg when was a guy broke his leg right and you flipped off the side of a cliff and you had to get down there and locals was starting to creep in and it got real sketchy no no that wasn't that wasn't uh you're mixing two stories you miss yeah the Josh Barett story and then our wreck we had U my team in ' 07 the BF go team 07 had one of the the worst wrecks in the planet everybody thought the two drivers were dead and I had to go in and get them and this is part of again this is an adventure race it's not car racing this is an adventure race and what happened in ours this is a the our our BC car went off the cliff at San jaier and to guys like us you say he went off the cliff at San jaier is [ __ ] crazy cuz it's how far uh 300 ft and there are sections on the course where they're inverted where it's like this and you just hit luckily the car dropped 300 ft rolled seven times 300 ft destroyed the car and I didn't know cuz I went we were just talking about it to I went I was down in Loretto we went down to laa and I got a call to go back to Loretto CU our car's in trouble and we can't find the car and I didn't know where he's at and then the guys in the car call my wife 2:00 in the morning that's not it they call my wife on the sad phone even though I told them how to use a s phone they're like and they they sound all [ __ ] up they're like uh Bud there and Adrian's like what the [ __ ] so she calls me on my sad phone goes like somebody body just called here from the house and like all right where they say they where they're at like no they just hung up so now our car is off the course we know it's not moving cuz we can track it we don't know where
they're at we could kind of tell where they where they were the last time so I did this again this is an adventure race and Rob's got 7 million of these stories I'll tell you one stupid story and then I'll shut up because I've been talking too much you keep saying I'm going to shut up you better stop saying I'm not supposed to shut up you're supposed to be here doing a podcast but not on me self-deprecating you [ __ ] I'm the douche producer you're my friend tell your goddamn story all right so we we're racing and I remember it was Kenny Bart these two guys in the car there was Tracy Jordan who's a rock crawler King of the Hammers guy and Kenny bam Kenny Bart is this you know famous guy who Cowboy Kenny does uh he does nuclear cowboy stuff and he's an fmx guy he's a moto Motocross guy so I told him I gu said get in the car San Javier is very dangerous settle yourself down get through San jaier and then you can haul ass you know down to laa no problem 13 mies from the the pit 13 mi from the pit is straight down and he knows I'm not lying there's it's up a twisty Road and and there's Cliffs on one side you're on the side of the mountain for 13 miles and there's cliff on the side of the road real tight twisty stuff don't make a mistake and let me tell you why because 200 years ago some priest this is actually true 200 years ago some priest on a donkey they used to what they used to do with the missions they used to be two days missions used to be two days apart they'd set a mission here and then him and a donkey and somebody else would go up a road and would after the second day they'd land and they'd build another mission right there and then two days later they do it so up this hill this donkey Trail going up this hill this guy and I talked to him I had Thanksgiving dinner with him he hung a wheel off it off the corner and said oh [ __ ] hold on six times he counted re the revolutions going over and over and all of a sudden there was nothing and then they hit and the co-driver was knocked out he had a compression bruise from his helmet um compression bruise like his helmet got hit and they put a bruise on his skull from the from the roll cage so I had so my story is I get to Loretto and nobody's there we're so be far behind there was no pit there
there's no support and there's one guy picking up cans I'm in my race suit I've studied ji- Jitsu I'm a badass right okay so I I go up to this guy and I I look at him and he's an older guy he's in his 60s I really didn't feel like talking I just said give me your keys he looked at me excuse me I said give me your keys I have an injured driver I need your truck so he reaches in his pocket I was going to beat his ass I didn't care I was going to take his truck you going to take his truck I have an injured driver on the course so why wouldn't you just ask him to help you yeah I don't know you were just full with adrenaline and crazy and I was tired you stay up for 3 days and go ask some guy for I'm not staying up for three days you stay up for 36 hours and they go excuse me sir can I'm not English you said give me your keys I said give me your keys you lucky he didn't get shot yeah that's true so he reaches in his pocket and he hands out and he goes can I go with you I'm like sure get in so I I grab his I grab his truck and it was a stock Toyota truck and we go down this riverbed that the river bed which was terrible but it took me 2 hours to go 13 miles in a stock Toyota truck little tiny itty be like a mini truck we got to Sam Javier went up searching for him stopping every time that there was a Crest every time that I thought momentum could take a driver off we'd stop search couldn't find them so two hours we finally found them it was still night was was it still night still night I found them and my Cod driver got had a concussion he's vomiting he's peeing he's peeing pissing himself he smelled like [ __ ] got picked up my two drivers went down there and the Scavengers were already start taking wheels off the car GPS anything you can get off the car they were already doing that while the guys were inside the car guys were already they already got off the top of the um out of the Gully and they were already down there picking so I went back down there to get my SAT phone and get my other stuff and I'm like get the [ __ ] away get up I'm shooting the Mexicans away that they're already picking this carart wow and uh so I get Tracy back in the car um and this these are stories these happen every that's why it's an Adventure Race
I'm not like I went to the drag strip and I did nine seconds I got Tracy back in the car two and a half hours back and we stopped because he had to vomit every every like every 15 minutes like hold on guys hold on and he's vomiting he's got a concussion bad concussion so we get him back he's okay we get him in Loro as I'm we get him um we we're in Loro we got him down to La Pa and by that time it was 7 8:00 in the morning taken to the emergency room probably not advisable but took emergency room I told what's that like yeah I told the doctor in Spanish that he he hurt his dick and he's got to check his dick so the doctor so the doctor he's got this huge bruise on his head so the doctor's like um take your pants off he starts taking his pants off and Tracy's Jo I swear to God he's looking at me he's like why is he asking I go I told him you hurt your dick he's like God damn oh so how many people have died doing this race ah there's every every year or so there's there's probably probably one motorcycle biggest thing is there's accidents on the highway it's not actually the race cars that happen but uh because the race starts in insata goes all the way to laa we race all the way through the day through the night into the next day and uh usually a lot of the accidents happen there on the highway with with the The Spectator traffic or the chase traffic race race cars not too often not too often motorcycle guys get hurt a lot I mean Josh Barnett hit a motorcycle guy in in uh in 13 or in 12 in 2012 he hit a motorcycle guy but what happened with that you know it's funny Monster Energy called me and they said they wanted to do I know any um any athletes any athletes or Superstars that want to come down a race because they were out like yeah so I called Josh I know he's a he's the the ultimate Gearhead and to Gearheads if you say hey you want to come race he two weeks notice never raced Offroad in his life I had him in a car he comes down there like the next week I put him like we do some training down down down at the stero Beach show him how to work of the car and next thing he's in a race poor [ __ ] he's like a 19 he was 19 hour he went took him 19 hours to do like the first stent
like three like 300 miles he's going through a Sil bed there's a motorcycle guy Clips him and breaks his leg now Josh did one of the most amazing things I'm not saying that Rob wouldn't do this so Josh brunette you know who he is no youngest ever UFC heavyweight champion super great guy super great guy I had him on the podcast he's probably one of the best podcast guests excuse me one of the best podcast guests I've ever had he's super intelligent guy yeah he's so smart heavyweight fighter amazing amazing Grappler amazing fighter and he loves cars he has a Shelby he's got he's got all kinds of cars he he's a [ __ ] nut so he goes down there into a Sil a Sil bed um and he want to get he wants to get around it but you don't really have control on the sil bed you can hit it sometimes you hit a rut and it throws you right a little bit he hit this guy and broke his leg compound fractured his leg so he he gets through the sil bed and not a lot of guys that do this by the way I'm just telling you it's like for the first time being down there so he and he feels like [ __ ] he'll tell you the story but he pulls off to the side of the course goes into the sil bed which is dangerous by the way pulls the guy M the guy's motorcycle out so know the cars hit it and then picks the guy up walks him out and puts him on the hood of his car calls in waits for a helicopter to come helicopter comes Josh carries this guy with a compound fractured leg into the helicopter drops him in the helicopter then puts his helmet back on and continues his race and then he rolled it he rolled his truck after all that yeah there's Josh oh yeah that's the that's the picture right there that's that's his buggy Monster Energy truck wow so so you were talking about the dude who raced on flat surfaces and then just gave it up and started doing only this kind of dirt crazy [ __ ] there's not a lot of these courses though right it's like you could go there's a lot of race courses around the country where the average person can do do you know uh a track day and put on a helmet and drive fast on a course how many courses are there like this where a guy can just go out and it's unlimited Baja there's there's roads everywhere um go down there and and practice or run or play you'd have to go to Mexico to do it though ah there's there's some stuff in
the in the states well there's a lot of races by the way there's I mean he does short course you can you can you can gear up in a pro two pro four pretty easy and go Short Court racing and then long there's um there's two organizations there's obviously score and there's a couple other organizations that do them you know the mint the mint 400 which Rob races in a best in desert Rob races in I've done some stuff in the in Arizona um Nevada there's a lot of races so there are a few courses are there courses or is it just organizations we build courses they're all every off-road race is unique oh okay so now like what if say if someone's listening to this and they're like you know what I need some goddamn Adventure in my life best thing do is look up score score schedules score go score score off not the strip club in New York City not in Atlanta no that's wherever it is I don't know anything about those places score International yeah score International look up on the Internet look at the schedule find out where the races are go check one out there's a lot of other racing organizations that race all over um you know the western United States there's almost off-road race just about every weekend somewhere somewhere in the western us you can and for some folks they just go quote unquote off-roading so they just get a truck and find a spot where they allowed to drive and just go nutty yeah that's that's those are Jeep adventure guys the guys go like Moab and they go real slow and that's not what we do that I don't get that crawling look I made it up the rock dude I could walk quicker than that you stupid [ __ ] what's in your truck that you need to get up to the top of the rock with it you know that doesn't make any sense to me no yeah I don't get the rock crawling it's it's slow speed it's it's pretty incredible I I did a a rock crawling it actually rock race so well there's different things rock crawling is one thing racing slow and then racing slow uh but it's it's pretty wild that when they do the it's I think it's the events called King of the Hammers and you climb up some rocks that you can't even climb with your hands but you get in this modified unlimited vehicle that very expensive on top it's same with the even bigger tires than we have and they
just go right up it like you're like you're actually crawling a little you can't craw you can't climb it you can't climb it with your your your you can't it's very hard for you to climb it as a human being but this car will pull up to it or this truck kind of like a Jeep but it's highly modified it's it's difference between like a stock Ford F-150 and a trophy truck it's like a stock Jeep and an unlimited I think they call them Ultra fours yeah and they're they're incredible what they'll do they'll go up incredible rock climbing events straight faces you'll see some of the internet stuff it is fascinating it it's crazy but it is slow it's racing slow what I guarantee you somebody can climb it though like you he those free climber dudes like those Alex honold guys that go up the you know they they go up things that aren't even flat they're they're like leaning towards you no he said you couldn't climb it I could climb it don't [ __ ] test me bud I'll [ __ ] climb it right now [ __ ] the um the the the industry like must be like it must be a huge thing like building all these different things and me people must be getting involved in this Recreation and building these like trucks and taking the regular trucks and adding all this stuff to it and it's just like hot roding I mean you have you have a geyser right yeah there's there's the geyser Brothers build trophy trucks Jimco builds trophy trucks there's probably there's probably five or six builders that do trophy trucks and then you have all your your guys that work out of their own shop smaller building their own stuff so that you know bud alluded earlier there's really no rules trophy trucks the rules are it can't fly you could have unlimited suspension it has to have a body like a Truck Body which is fiberglass and it can't fly it has to stay on the ground so it's it's a unique thing you can pretty much brainstorm with whatever you can to try to go out there and beat your competition well that's what's Innovative about the sport you when you give guys unlimited horsepower un limited this do anything you want actually there is one rule that I'll tell you that I saw and you'll remember this story really well there's actually only one rule that I know of actually um but you you get to you you get
especially in competition you get to breed the best of the human mind because he's trying to beat this other guy I'm gonna kick his ass so here's the one rule 08 07 I think it's 07 right this a guy named Brian Collins swear to God this happened they took a fueling system off an Apache helicopter right stuck it off the back of their truck and they had a fueling truck that would walk up to it while they're moving and jam it in the back of it and refuel it while they're moving and finally score was that 07 08 when was that yeah I think it was I think it was Mark Miller and Ryan rero holy and they did it on the highway they they they developed a system on a on a regular Chase truck that was following the race truck down the highway and the fuel was in the bed of the chase truck and they had a pressurized system that they pulled up while they're going 60 M an hour down the highway they pulled up behind the RAC trck and it had like a like a nozzle out the front of it and they stabbed it into the nozzle that was on the race truck and they filled it Jesus Christ yeah so they could save four minutes they could save two or three minutes in the pit you're not even supposed to smoke when you're at a gas station so I think that's the rule is like no more no more fueling while you're going down the high you're not even supposed to use your cell phone while you're at a gas station because very rarely a spark an electronic spark can ignite fumes and you can burst into flames like that's happened before these [ __ ] crazy [ __ ] are going 60 M an hour filling their car up on the highway I remember watch I was with a herps team that year I forgot when it was and hers yeah herps like herpes terrible hers like in Vegas the herps gas stations the herps Hotel I don't know what that is never heard of that pretty big they they're they have the herbs hotel is right on Paradise that's a terrible place to go and stay I'm sorry for the people who own it but just the name don't be sorry for the name yeah we're going to stay at the herps good luck I got I got the herps yeah I got to the herps [ __ ] you going to be okay did you take your venation use some antibacterial soap so I any I was with them without say I
won't say their name again I was with them and we saw that and we're like we're all kind of like H that's pretty cool and that did they win that year yeah they did they won that year because of that well save them time there's more to it than just that but it minutes you think that saved throughout the Thousand Mile race probably 10 minutes 10 minutes a time instead of stopping in the pit and that matters absolutely now no one's sleeping you guys are just driving everybody in the RAC truck they're they're driving the wholeway some people solo they drive the whole Thousand Mile race without getting out of the truck drive the whole way I've done that in the past do you have a diaper on they have these catheters oh chrit there's a tube in your dick that's when your hobby is way out of control not that bad that's what a tube in your dick is a catheter right one of my favorite things I like having it like I like having a tube in your dick no it's not what it is but it's the best thing that's ever happened for Offroad for me it is amazing it goes over the top like a like a a condom and then a rubber hose connected to the end of that that goes all the way down the inside of your leg and you tape the end of the hose to the side of your shoe so you can PE in your shoe next to your shoe it's the best I so it's in the truck it's just peeing some people have done that though they don't get the tube out of their shoe before they start racing and they're actually find out their pee and that's another great story Ivan Stewart who's a leg hang your foot out the window no you just pee on the floor Flor we don't have carpet it's all metal aluminum down there there's a hole in the floor ah just yeah that there's there's leaks there's little panels and stuff and so you just pee on the floor and just hope it goes away somewhere yeah it does it does well the best thing is you pull up in the pits you start peeing you tell your your your mechanic and like I think I got a leak and he's down there sniffing it that that's a great that story right there's happened multiple times and the one I was going to tell you about Ivan Stewart's icon of the sport was at the start line and warming his truck up he's just about ready to go off the start line and all a sudden underneath his truck there's there's
liquid in one of his mechanics jumps underneath her like holy [ __ ] what is that goes touches his finger in it comes up smells it and realizes what it is that Ivan's actually taking a piss didn't mean to ruin your story but for your listeners by the way get a catheter go online get a race catheter the best things like like in a bar I did a race or a UFC fight or UFC fight I did I did this uh you don't have to miss anything yeah but then you going to pee on the ground yeah you you can pee in the bar near drain it's fine I was I was this Blue Water I was at this Blue Water race in Arizona one time uh I it was with Greg Fels and we got our ass kicked we're just putting around we got stuck a couple times in a stock full so we actually got to the bar and we we felt like a dick by the way and I had my race suit on cuz we came in so late but the bar's going and everybody's there and they're having a celebration I just kept my catheter on instead of so I'm just sitting at the bar I'm like I get next to somebody and just start peeing like okay good and you're done you don't have to go and you just pee on the ground at the bar you son of a [ __ ] I can't believe you think that's funny how dare you what about the person that owns that bar you're just peeing in their establishment right $8 for a beer I don't give a [ __ ] he needs to make some money somebody has to buy the beer bring it there somebody has to pay to be put the refrigerator in and turn it on don't feel sorry eight bucks eight bucks don't buy it so that's what it looks like black cat yeah that's one of the brands right there wow that that is ridiculous when you're in a sport when you have to have a hose taped over your dick maybe there's a problem with that sport maybe you don't uh rob you don't drink coffee no never never when I was a kid uh my mom and dad drank coffee I couldn't stand the smell probably got to early 20s or so realized I'd never had it and said you know what I'm I'm going to do without it for for my life so I'm a soda guy so you drink sodas yeah that's that's my fix in the morning so is that what you get your caffeine from I mean like when you're doing a 33 hour run like you must do some form of stimulant to stay awake no uh the the adrenaline that gets going in you when you're winning the race you know you get you
get into the night typically our ball 1000 starts at 10:00 and you'll finish at 2: 3 in the morning for me uh if we're doing well about midnight when you start to get tired usually realize you're in you got a chance to win this race and the adrenaline kicks in and takes you right to the Finish it's when you're having a bad day lots of troubles and you're pulling a 36 hour event that and you're not capable winning the race the adrenaline goes away and then you need to throw some sodas down to keep it going or or some energy drinks yeah I would think that that would get really sketchy when you're dealing with like these crazy turns where you really have to be paying attention and you've been up for 25 hours that must be where the real danger lies no yeah absolutely that's you know most likely Bud's earlier story with uh Kenny Bartram and and Tracy Jordan when they went off the cliff I mean they just got in the car but Mo I believe they were in that car earlier that same day right so they the Bob Peninsula the race course 1,000 miles the highway is 800 miles most likely they'd got up in the morning in inata did a couple stints in the race car got out but they were traveling down the race course down the highway and when they got back in it it was early hours of the morning and and dusty maybe foggy and yeah you got to remember that every turn could end your race maybe it maybe in your life if you're if you're going to too fast but every turn so for for me cuz obviously you can tell I have an issue with paying attention I I think I can't think of anything else and that's why I always equated to cage fighting if you get in the cage and you start thinking about your bills and your check and you know they got this happen and my all the [ __ ] you're going to get your ass kicked right same thing down here the only thing you have to really worry about is you're looking at brush you're looking at dust you're looking at power line you're looking at all that you're reading the terrain and that's all that consumes your mind cuz if you don't you're [ __ ] yeah that's a thing that people need right like I I I find that I gravitate towards things that require my full complete attention in the moment whether it's uh going to the rifle range and shooting a rifle you know like I I took uh my friend Duncan
and Chris yesterday we went to the rifle range and it's one of the things that Duncan was saying like when you're shooting you don't think about anything else like the moment you're pulling that trigger your mind is free of all the other nonsense you got going on in your life your mind is just concentrating on keeping the reticle keeping that Crosshair on that Target calming your nerves and then squeezing that trigger and not moving anything else what is it about us that we need things like that is it the over complex society that we live in I think so I think you know there's with my business your business and all all everything we're doing there's text messages and there's [ __ ] Facebook and Twitter and you got to do all this [ __ ] and there's so much stuff in there and and the thing that I think is different much different than rifles there's consequences of what we do cuz if we don't if you miss the shot oh home I missed a shot I'm not putting down rifle don't shoot me but but and what we do if you and I've done it before I like I I you kind of get into a l like driving into a snowstorm you see the snowstorm coming out and you kind of get drive you kind of drive yourself to a little bit of sleep turn comes up you're going to go off a cliff you're going to wreck you're someone's going to hit you from behind you you know the the worst it's death the the very easiest is you broke your car and you got to you got to sit out there and fix it and you just let your team down there are teams he's got 60 70 people that were on his team and then they all worked really hard to get him down there and that pressure is on him not the [ __ ] up but isn't it weird that we as human beings have this strange desire to chase danger like that that like that that managing danger becomes sort of like a drug fix we're getting well you're you're a lot deeper human being than I am but this is this goes back to you know Primal human we used to go on hunts right as as guys we used to go on hunts we used to like you stay here I'm going to go on a hunt I'm I'm going to chase bear I'm going to kill the Buffalo I'm going to go on I'm going to go to war I'm going to do these things and yeah I I don't know what it is you get to a certain part of your life and you got to start chasing that you have to have it
like I don't need to race i' have to race well I think there's certain human reward systems that are set up in our minds and essentially in our DNA and that we don't fulfill them at all with the average the average everyday cubical life traffic cubical come home television the news bombards you with [ __ ] nonsense from all around the world and then you go to sleep and start all over again and you're missing a lot of [ __ ] and then something comes along like this race where like you you're [ __ ] jumping around this crazy [ __ ] truck you're going 140 miles an hour and your body's like finally something's happening yeah is that it it's addiction go yeah for for me absolutely I I when I'm not racing last year I raced 35 weekends I raced took the green flag [ __ ] most of the year yeah I raced I think I took the green flag over 80 times and uh what that mean every time basically I started a race I started a race they threw a green flag so I raced over 80 times okay last year in 35 weekends some of these times I take four green flags actually one weekend last year I took seven green flags over the weekend racing in three different trucks um discussed earlier there multiple classes in the short course races there's multiple classes so I'm addicted at so much I go get in any vehicle I can go race so I race seven times but when there's when there's when I have a weekend off I don't know what to do with myself so I think I need that adrenaline rush I need to race I need to get a checker flag I need to win that's it's really what my life is about been become part of your system absolutely and Bud you've been you've been chasing stuff like that all as long as I've known you you're always like trying to do some crazy like charged up thing it builds your character I think as a guy it build it helps you build your character and I'm I'm I'm addicted to drugs my drug is endorphins and and adrenaline and I have to have that I think it was um I forgot who said it it might have been ree Millan or someone like that but they said in in in normal life yeah the guy in the cubicle s in New York City he he may have like one close call in in his whole entire life or maybe one a year down in Mexico you have nine or 10 in a race yeah I mean you are close to death a few times I
mean holy [ __ ] oh [ __ ] I'm glad that didn't happen and you do that for over and over and it's it's it's scary for you know definitely you know I've sh I did a movie in the Raptor I don't know if you saw it no I never saw that but you you did that like you you produced a film about the Ford Raptor like right when it was coming out is that what it was it was the launch launch it was a launch event what year was that 08 and um I my wife there was two movies back toback I did and and there was one time we got stuck all the guess and I got stuck you remember the scene and I I I took a tow a tow strap pulled it to the front of the thing walked across and hooked it to my friend's truck and a some idiot in the trophy truck wasn't me ran over my strap like right where I was whoa I mean cuz you know you're you're in this blinding Sil bed I don't think he did to try to kill me he's blinding Sil bed he knows if he slows down he just sees a hole there's a truck and there's a guy I'm going to go right between it and I'm like oh my god oh [ __ ] that was very close really close so I I that was a scene in our movie and my wife is like uh yeah you're not doing that anymore it happens quite often CU she saw it oh wow well my wife one last story so my wife why in in 2012 when I won my race I called my wife I I'm excited I won One race Rob's Ron 220 races more than anybody in in the planet I won One race I call my wife at 5:00 I said honey we won I've been chasing for 9 years she said good you can quit and she hung up on me I got no I got no play at all I'm like I'm so excited like I can't I want to call my mom I want to call my wife I want to like hey guess what I did this she's like yeah that's nice you can quit now yeah it's it's hard for some people to relate to that need to be charged up and do nutty things like that right yeah I think so I mean for me it's all about winning champions winning races and uh can't get enough of it well so many people try to they try to live their life safe you know they try to do just the opposite they're like looking for the softest cushion to sit on they're looking for the easiest job they're looking for the longest amount of time off they're looking for the just the the the cushiest existence that's not living that's you
got to get out there and experience life you got to live it yeah I agree but I mean there's that there's like these two schools of thought when it comes to people there's people that try to seek out adventure and thrills and have all these wild experiences in their life and there's people that have zero desire to do that see Joe and I have we have a disease we have like a dinner party disease that we share like I I I can't talk to those people right cuz I I seek out like I I do deep seeve Dives on on shipwrecks and I'll try to go to this not because I think I'm a badass just because I'm pushing myself I always want to push myself I have to something do something to train for it so when I go talk to people like regular people or people that are boring as [ __ ] I sound like an idiot and I had nothing to say to them cuz you you you try to do what we just did here and Rob's got a million of them you try to tell him an adventure story of Baja like I hit a jump at 120 and I jumped this or I accidentally hit this guy on a bike and like they think you're crazy yeah there's certain people that it's just it's too it's too time consuming trying to explain your motivations behind certain things like I try to think of like what's the least thrilling thing that I do that I could sort of like tell people that I do like what do you what do you what do you do for a living uh do a radio show on the internet like I say that like I'll leave out the UFC I'll leave out standup comedy like I don't want this just this ain't the bridge between us is too far to there's no there's no room there some folks just they don't want any Thrills they want no thrills they want no nothing dangerous they want just everything to be spelled out for them they want you know two weeks paid vacation and they want to make sure that they can retire when they're 65 and they they're already ready to die like they've got it all set up you bet you you bet you you bet you so Rob what's what's the best story for Baja cuz I told my crazy story but you have the you have better stories you well you know actually I think I'm I've been honestly fortunate enough when I started going to Baja I went with Walker Evans and and people that had tons of experience down
there and they kind of helped minimize those stories for me um you know one of the early days racing class one single buggy single seater only one person in there down there after San Javier where you're talking about earlier had a flat tire and uh got out to change that tire and had a you know the the motors's running in the buggy and and you can't hear anybody around you there's typically there's no I thought I was in the middle of nowhere and all of a sudden somebody came up tapped me on the back of the shoulder scared this crap out of me um things like that I I don't you know crashing uh I've done multiple crashes all over the place wading stuff up um breaking my collar bone um the crazy story is I guess you know I I I don't have the Wild Ones the reason why is I think that I you know I go down there prepared I'm there to win um you know I I really minimize all that stuff and haven't had a lot of crazy stuff happen did you get involved in other Motorsports first were you involved regular racing first yeah I started racing motorcycles uh when I was 8 nine 10 years old Jesus Christ yeah you're racing motorcycles as an eight-year-old yeah got got involved in doing that you know my dad was involved in doing off-road racing in the early 70s when I was on motorcycles and then when I got turned 16 years old we got in into racing buggies doing the men 400 stuff like that and you know I I quit my senior year of basketball is the dumbest thing I ever did I should have played it through but I I fell in love with off-road racing and then uh you know just made it made it my hobby there for a few years and then and got lucky enough to get picked up by uh people like Ford Motor Company BF good tires and I ended up making a career out of it so um I've been doing uh doing this for a living for over 20 years and and like Bud said we've won you know over 200 races on BF good tires I'm actually about 280 total wins in Offroad since 82 over 20 championships and if you had to stop and you had to go and live an office job like if someone came along and BF good said look we're taking you out of the [ __ ] heat it's just it's too crazy we're going to give you a nice cushy job stop six figure salary nice house yeah at this point I can't even imagine that you know I I
think about that you know every once what what am I going to do when this is over and and I don't know I don't even know what I'm going to do but you know hopefully go to work with somebody like BF Goodrich or um you know my family owns a an off-road buggy shop in Vegas doing stuff like that but um you know I don't plan on quitting anytime soon it's what I know you know it's it's almost all I know I mean I have it's my hobby it's my job it's my life who's the oldest guy that can do it you're saying that that Newman did it when he was 80 yeah he did he did he did a race when he was 80 what a [ __ ] animal he was and Ivan man Stewart did it I mean he did it until in his 60s Walker Evans Larry Raglin some of the best of the sport you know had their most success in their their 50s which I haven't got there yet so I'm because you calm down it's it's you calm down you there's a thing in our race racing called Red Mist Red Mist will get you hurt like Jesse James goes down there all the time and he generally wads it up in the first 100 miles talking [ __ ] about Jesse James cuz he just goes crazy no cuz people misunderstand the race I mean he knows more about the race but they misunderstand the race and think they think in the first 100 miles I got to beat everybody yeah the analogy that I have is they when they put their helmet on they throw their brains out the window and and I did that when I was young crash a lot of stuff ruin ruin cars but over time you learn that's not how you win the race you basically basically go as slow as you possibly can to win you you have to keep an eye on your competition you go through the pitch get split times find out how you're doing but as long as you're you you're close to to to winning the race you're doing a good job when you get down to the end it's typically only you and a couple other guys they're Racing for the win all those other 20 30 guys in your class they they're broke or they're having problems how many people are racing like when when they say Ready set go how many people [ __ ] 150 on all the classes 50 to 350 depends on which race like the Thousand is like 300 to 350 people soic vehic so 350 Vehicles all together how do how does it set I mean how many lanes are you dealing with here
when they start the race when when they start the race they send one one truck or one buggy at a time usually every 30 seconds apart we're racing the clock we're out there racing on the track at the same time you do have to come up and bump those guys moveing out of your way if they're slower they're in front of you but um you know we're racing the clock and as you get down the course the the bike start usually the bikes the quads the utvs they start about 3 hours in front of the the first four-wheel vehicle but we end up catching those guys and that's where it becomes really sketchy and sometimes where these you know buds story earlier when when when hit the the bike guy that's because the bikes can't do certain things some of them can yeah some of them can um but a lot of the especially in Mexico a lot of the bike guys are are are Sportsmans um and when you're doing a long race like the B 1000 um it becomes more uh the bike guys you know they get used up quicker and the the trucks you're sitting in the seat you have you know you don't have air conditioner but you got you know you can have snacks you can have food you can have water as you're racing down the course the bike guy it's just him and a small light you know I I talked earlier about how the lights on my trucks are like a stadium um they have one light we have 14 to 20 lights on our trucks so it's a lot different yeah [ __ ] that must be scary driving a motorcycle fast they think of baseball stadiums behind them sometimes they hear a trophy truck behind them some of the guys the Smart Ones oh they freak out they look behind them like oh [ __ ] and they get off the road and the trophy CS go blown by them because they don't want to get run over I mean there's a lot of a lot of accents with the bike guys and they're score is doing a lot of things to to mitigate that at this point they're starting them later we're going to start them the night before and stuff like that oh okay for me there's an interesting thing for me I was going to tell you like I'm known you know me for a long long time I'm known kind of like kind of a crazy jackass that doesn't do this when I'm going down the races you you talked about the catheter this an interesting thing that happens to me in my psyche I'm wearing a fire suit I have my
catheters on I have a uh fireproof underwear I put my helmet on I got my knife in my pocket so I can cut my seat bels off anything else happens I start doing all this stuff I'm like holy [ __ ] I'm doing something pretty serious and I calm down I have problems with my sponsors who hang out with me and they're like you're you're going to [ __ ] wreck you're a crazy like wacky idiot who's going to wreck the car so they don't they they're not managing this craziness well that's what it is like they don't some people just don't some people just can't like look at all the different variables look at all the craziness and just settle in okay this is what we're doing now yeah some people and it's hard the Red Mist comes in like you you're some and I've get I get caught up sometimes too because I had a guy pull behind me one time a french guy told me he's going to kick my ass if I don't move I we'll stop the car I'll stop the car and get out I don't care we'll stop right in the middle of cor you're going to kick my ass [ __ ] French [ __ ] French they gave us these fries and now they got ass [ __ ] get out of my way I'll kick your ass that's what he's saying yeah on the radio I'm like [ __ ] you get out of the way I'll kick your ass yeah and I know what he's doing he's freaking out going and he's in this race and you just got to pace yourself you got to be calm it's hard not to get caught up in the beginning when guys are banging on like they're hitting you I don't understand you don't some people hit you hard they just Ram into you raming you to try to get get you out of the way yeah they don't even care they don't honk you just drive all a sudden boom and it's like being rear end at the 405 is 60 MPH you're like holy [ __ ] yeah the off-road tracks are one lane it's not like five Lanes on the 405 it's one lane so to pass that guy you come up there you hope he moves out of the way typically doesn't really want to so you got to come up there and bump him and sometimes people get out of control and they hit you really hard they try to move you off the track especially if it's a jackass like these guys who have actually had a bad day so this is why the problem I have right so they've had a bad I'm having a day right so I'm in front of my class he's had a bad day in a trophy truck he's got 900
horsepower 105 gallons of fuel he's [ __ ] pissed off he's tired he's not happy anymore and he's trying to make up time and then and there's me and my buggy going we want to deal with these slow guys we we want to get to the we want to get done we want to get to the finish line and and the dust that he's kicking up makes the trophy truck guy pissed off and it's like you don't deserve to be here get out of my way and by the time you get to him you give him a little love oh a little love that's the bu that's the bump oh yeah and how many guys get [ __ ] up because of that I mean it seems like that would be one of the reasons why a lot of guys wreck well a lot of the cars they're they're built to take that it's in the DNA of off-road that's that's kind of how we pass you come up there you bump the guy tag it's like that's you're you know you're I caught you now you move out of the way and let me go by you guys use they're chromoly tubing huge Chromeo tubing so they're designed to take a good impact yeah but you you would pull over notice how I had exactly like a 1950s dad get if you if you were in the accident if you were on the four side if someone hit you that hard you pull over and call the cops and grab your neck and go whoa that was an impact like yeah part of the game it's part of the game wow that's crazy that it seems so bizarre that just seems so crazy that part of it is just ramming into you while you're going you know x amount of miles an hour right it's normal it's not normal it's normal in that world in that world it's normal we we're [ __ ] human beings are so crazy in that way we just find normaly in the fact that well this is what happens when you do this and then all rules all Decor all normal rules of behavior go out the window when you're racing in a Baja and you're pissing through your [ __ ] shoe and well I think there's there's a there's a very weird I could some something in the psyche I can tell you from me on once you've figured this out and you've done the organization and you've gone to your Cather to your knife you got your Chase team you got your feel once you've organized successful race campaign like he has then regular life in business is not that hard right you actually you get out of a race and
it's like then then actually you sometimes get a little short with stupid people you're like really you just had to go to the store and pick up a six-pack and come back was it that [ __ ] hard and because what we do there's so many consequences he can tell a guy and this is actually how it goes too he's like I need you to go to the pmix station which is the gas station in Mexico be there at 1:00 with some extra tires I may need when I get out and that's what you tell the guy and it's 800 miles away and you don't see that guy until 800 until you know 12 hours from there and that guy is sitting there it is logistics crazy and you surround yourself with the people who know have a common goal your Logistics are all put out I if you need anything down there you know where it's at and you come back to the States and you can't you and like you know some of your employees or something like that can't handle like two simple instru C you're like that guy would die down in Mexico well it's just that the stakes are higher the pressure is higher and everyone's tuned in everyone's tuned in everyone has a goal yeah you want to surround yourself with the people that been down there to Mexico it's two-lane highways very dangerous there's not street lights very rarely there's yellow line dividing the center lane and you got you got to have the right people it's it's a very dangerous things the lit it is it's a logistics nightmare to to plan out a race I I always say to people if I if I would spend as much effort that I do off-road racing and putting the the team together and the logistics in a regular business I'd have a lot of money instead I race a trophy truck and I don't have much money oh yeah no this makes UPS look like I don't know this is like real Logistics yeah but would it be any more exciting I mean your your the lot of money would it wouldn't be worth it you know like there's a lot of people that have a lot of money that we know that are just miserable as [ __ ] they're all on anti-press Ence and they're they're always constantly in and out of relationships and their life is a [ __ ] holy wreck of failure and catastrophe but they're financially successful because they're not challenging themselves I think it has to do with challenging yourself yeah I
think you're right I think there's something about being uncomfortable that provides you with a certain sense of well-being I don't I don't know what it is but I was hunting in Montana last year and uh we were talking about employees doing things and this uh this show metor has these guys that work for it I mean I don't know what they get paid but I'm sure they don't get paid much and these guys are working 24 hours a day for the six seven days that we're there they're sleeping on the ground it's [ __ ] 0 degrees outside they're huddled up in sleeping bags they get up before everybody else because they have to start the coffee they have to fire up the uh the campfire and and you know have a job where someone doesn't want to [ __ ] clean the the restroom someone want to take out the garbage a normal job where you're you show up at 9:00 and you leave at 5:00 and try getting people to work throughout the day for what this guy gets paid to be 24 hours a day in Montana sleeping on the ground freezing their dick off but that's what he's doing like that's what he's doing and in that world in you know he becomes a part of that production like this is what I'm doing now and this guy that you're calling and saying hey you know go 800 miles get some [ __ ] tires meet us there like that's what that guy's doing and he's there and he's there yeah and you I mean and production like last year I have a group we did the F-150 thing they called them my production guys like you've been around production for a while my guys were up for 54 hours straight and they called them the 54-hour crew right cuz they they had they we filmed this whole special for ESPN and then they were filming my whole special for Ford and they were up for 54 hours not a complaint they didn't like hit me for overtime they're like that was amazing and you just got to surround and I don't care about the overtime you got to surround yourself with people like I didn't know my race was going to be that effing long I mean we just happened to be you know we took 42 hours to do it these guys do it in 19 or something like that but you you surround yourself with those people and I was going to say something about our support staff is you know our Chase crews are amazing because we have volunteers like
my brother comes out every year it's something my brother and I can do now their Chase crews are amazing cuz most of them are volunteers they're going to come down there they'll drive in dangerous roads they'll they won't sleep at night they'll be up for 36 hours and you eat beef jerky and it's cold as [ __ ] and they are always there it's miserable they hate it while it's happening yep but in the end you're you get home you get rested up and you all the great stories come out and you love it you want to go back and do it again y it's that just that different level of life it's like when you're out there doing the Race you're out there doing some wild crazy [ __ ] like that it's like everything's elevated you're more tuned in you're you're more aware of your surroundings you're not inundated by cell phones and text messages and emails they don't even work actually I have I have one phone and maybe a sad phone I don't even return I'm like I'm gone yeah once you go to Mex you call go to Mexico yep be down there see you when I get home and that's part of it too right part of it too is like the disconnect unplug unplugging and then you know recharging your brain and being out there and the desolate surroundings going 140 mph over bumps well gives there's another side of it too that gives you appreciation now you know I have a I have a kid now but I know my my brother says it too you see you down there you also see the people how they live there are kids amazing kids and they live in um chicken coops right the blue Chicken Coop down by uh um ohos they live in chicken coops I'm not kidding I'm saying it's a blue chicken cpop that's what it is and there's kids and I actually call um this is my my own little story but I there's there's there's um the kids that never grow up always come out of Oho so there's a little road after you turn down the blue dat the blue gate on the right hand side a blue Chicken Coop and it looks like every year for 10 years the same Kids come out they never get older they don't have shoes they're smiling we hand them stickers I stop him give them I give him candy I talk to him he signs autographs you take pictures you go back the next year they look the same age yeah and they and they live Joe I'm telling you chicken coop I can draw it for you right
it's a it's a [ __ ] chicken coop that looks like it's it's a chicken coop but it's not funny but you appreciate you come back and sometimes you look at your kids and other people kids like you have no ideaa how easy you have it yeah and then sometimes those kids and chick will go to the dump and that's where they they find metal and they find scrap and they take the aluminum cans and they get their money and they're happy too they're happy they don't they're not negative they're not pissed off they they have no shoes and and you know the Baja Racers do a lot for the community down there I mean sometimes they bu they'll they'll build orphanages I mean a lot of the Baja guys get touched by what happens down there and the people down there and they go give back because you can't help but you know you can't help but go to these it's a third world country in in a lot a lot of ways not Cabo and stuff like that but the places where we go and you you get affected by you get to see the other world and you do appreciate what we have our kids will never appreciate it because you know they they have 500 shoes these kids have no shoes seriously no shoes and they Liv in chicken coops with a a sheet on the front door yeah I've been I've driven in the Mexico out past Tijana um into some really sketchy areas and you you get to see these people that are living in these houses that are essentially like cardboard boxes with no windows and you know you see these small villages of places like that and it really puts it into perspective and even more weird that that's connected to the United States which is one of the richest countries on Earth it's just you just drive it's like same land mass just keep going and you go from Southern California the [ __ ] Kardashians live and you see a Rolls-Royce in your neighborhood and then a couple hours drive and then all a sudden you're in the third world country where no one has shoes there's a vantage point you you go you go through the gate of tiwan you take a right and you go up this hill and there's a marsh so you're in Tijuana and you're right you have the cardboard boxes and you look off to your right and there's a$2 million beach house sitting there and you can see it imagine waking up every day you're up on this hill in
Tijana no running water everything's happened you look up there's a $20 million beach house it's mindblowing who puts is it a Mexican states yeah yeah so you can see San Diego yeah you come up on this hill you can see s look off to the right there's San Diego in 20 there it's right there yeah that is [ __ ] bananas La Hoya like those houses in La Hoya we used to do The Comedy Store and we you know look at La Hoya like I mean they have palaces these palaces overlooking the ocean and the most incredible affluent Community everyone's driving around these expensive European cars and you're 20 minutes away from Tijana yep 20 minutes that's [ __ ] crazy that's like from here driving to Van eyes you know but except you're driving to one of the worst spots one of the worst border towns yep on Earth but the people are amazing the people Help us they do so much for us food's pretty [ __ ] badass too Mexican know how to [ __ ] throw down tacos shrim everything Lobster lobster tacos where's the lobster tacos at uh lobster tacos I forgot where those was at Mama's is Mama's tacos M Espinosa yeah M knows that lobster tacos are amazing I should never get to stop there I'm using a car now do any um Mexicans race absolutely there's a lot of like people that live in Mexico that join in on this have they ever won it oh yeah no actually the very Tavo vosa won he's part of the Red Bull team on the 50th Ann no I'm sorry it wasn't it was the Mexican Independence y him and his father um Gus won it and they're they're they they're from they're from Tijana they're from that area um and there's also one Carlos Lopez a lot of Mexican teams I mean Mexican teams get a little resources they go race and by the way they they don't race trophy trucks which they do there's a couple Trophy Truck teams but they'll race Volkswagens they'll race everything you could possibly get so you were talking about the French guy that wanted to kick your ass is that a guy from France that came over just to race in this yeah there's about there's usually guys from 150 countries people from all over the world come Japanese guys come down there all I mean everybody all over the world come to Baja 1000 it's that much of a spectacle you you have to be I don't know live in a cave for 800 years not
the hero the Baja 1000 wow know people from all over the world come yeah because I've seen like uh in Europe I know they do a lot of rally car races and they use uh porsa like Porsche has a lot of rally cars they they drive on dirt roads y but do they have this kind of thing as well they in other countries yeah no rally is Big everywhere like this kind of rally like this kind of like crazy modified truck well they they do D car which is a little little bit different races a stage race that car used to was um really from Paris to D car it was Perry de car was the name of it and now that's in South America through Brazil and Argentina and Chile have you raced that car yet no yeah there's that cars famous race I mean it's a very famous race and we score Roger and I've been talking to the Saudis to try to bring a race over there we've met with China Roger met with China to try to bring a race over there um we going to try to expand what what score is going to do and try to bring it to other countries I would think it would be a no-brainer for like Saudi Arabia or any of those places well Rich oil people love to do crazy [ __ ] like drift cars y like you've seen those videos those drifting videos oh yeah from Arab countries Dubai is real big right now on the sand buggies if we need to get them into Offroad yeah well Roger's talking to them we we can get we can get them over there they have an F1 race you know the OB the obvious idea is getting all you know get all the trophy truck teams come over there put them on a ship get everybody there and go race what's the sand buggies like a it's a lot lighter buggy than what we racing Offroad and they basically just go to the sand dunes they're specific built for sand duning they have thousand horsepower they do wheelies up the hill down the hill and over in Dubai I guess that's a big thing going on right now a lot of recreational crap not races just recreational CRA they're just having fun what is it about people that you know like the moment someone invented cars look at these guys are drifting why is that exciting to go sideways by the way I have no idea the feeling of being out of control exciting the most people people out of out of control looks like that's on an open freeway almost yeah no it looks like it is that doesn't seem
like a smart move well I've seen some [ __ ] horrific crashes too oh yeah you've seen some of those uh Arab drifting crashes where cars are flipping and bodies are flying out but the moment like people invented cars like how long before the moment a car was invented before people decided to [ __ ] race him when the second car was built probably right no promise you when the second car was built Henry Ford based the whole industry our whole industry the first auto race was in in Chicago but our whole industry is based on auto racing it's it's there's an it's even goes past the 60s is back when Henry Ford he raced Henry Ford raced dusenberg raced all these guys raced to Pro out edel Brock who's aftermarket guy but he raced they all the the thing in our industry is you know race on Sunday sell on Monday so I'm going to go out Ford built his car it's like I'm going to go out and win this race Indianapolis 500 is based on manufacturers racing who's got the fastest car yeah I had a conversation with someone about that once where we were talking about planned obsolescence like planned like that there's certain technology that's available today that you're not going to see in cell phones or televisions because they want it to be obsolete a year from now and he was trying to make the argument about automobiles that they do that that they can make the best car right and I'm like you you don't even know what the [ __ ] you're talking about because what they're doing right now is they're racing cars and then they develop that Technology based on those race cars and that trickles down into the consumer aftermarket cars or consumer cars the Corvette program is the number one to look at right so Corvette is the longest longest running sports car in America longest built it's never been out of production and their race program that the transfer of technology I did a whole documentary series on on Corvette launching the C6 and the whole thing was transfer technology if they develop a you know you do the R&D which is the hard part right which is what Rob does for his trucks and they start looking and poking around you do the Rd and you race you make that C6 Corvette R which is called C6 Corvette r or now it's C7 Corvette R they race those teams Pratt Miller
builds them and then there is a there is a Chevrolet engineer and I know them on the race team looking at stuff you know checking camber checking brakes checking aerodynamics checking everything and that technology transfers to your car which is why Corvette is still one of the most dominant cars out there for 70 grand you can get just because they they invest in that technology in the race and that new one is incredible sting is pretty bad that is an incredible car it's beautiful looking I saw one the other day I thought it was a Ferrari so same here I told my son I go check out that Ferrari he goes That's a Corvette I'm like oh you're right it looks like yeah it looks like a like a European like high-end topend car and the interior's nice now too finally they figured out a way to make a car that doesn't look like a piece of [ __ ] with a [ __ ] Impala steering wheel I mean they used to have these darkg [ __ ] Interiors same thing the Viper did we I did a document on rebuilding the Viper Ralph Shields from uh from SRT Motors he did the same thing they they they race they learn stuff from racing they put it in there but the new new Viper is amazing looking what's what's a better car the new Viper or the new Corvette depends the price points are much different for the money the Corvette has to be it the price point on the Viper is 110,000 155,000 the Corvette you could take the roof off too that's pretty dope the Corvette's pretty cool yeah look at that thing I mean they [ __ ] nailed it man yeah but see all the all the hood vents all the all the break Ducks all that stuff is all developed from racing it's all functional yeah yeah it's not nonsense it's not just something to look at which uh you know cars have had in the past we we're at a weird time right now in automobiles because there's so much power in great time but so much power in the cars you could buy on the showroom floor like when they have a the the Shelby uh GT500 660 plus horsepower right at the you know walk from the showroom pay the guy your money get in a car and you have a 660 plus horsepower car with a live rear axle and you're stomping on the high what and It Go I mean it's insane 0 to 60 in 3 seconds in a [ __ ] car that you can just drive off a showroom floor and in the 60s used to be you know 280 horsepower 33 the
Boss 302 came out like oh it's got 320 horsepower smoke you and i' I've actually driven an old 302 and I actually test drove the new 302 on a test track at Ford it's unbelievable parelli Jones said the same thing he like if I if we were racing Laguna sea parelli he like if I had that car this' be easy well the new um 302 you talking about the lagona sea one or the one that hasn't come out yet yeah we we Parnell and I were test driving the Laguna sea that's a incredible car that car got overlooked a lot by people it did because first of all the stripes and everything were a little whack like the way they were painting it but everybody wants the bigger engine everybody wants the you know the 550 horsepower sh Shelby now the 668 horsepower Shelby but that 440 horsepower Laguna sea was the perfect balance front end to rear end there it is right there yeah was suspension that's the Boss 302 right yeah that's the Boss 302 no yep that's the Boss 302 and you're talking about the with the red had the red Li red rims and it had the front air um the front spoiler the race spoiler with the pipes coming off of it they just figured out a way to make cars that have horsepower that would be a [ __ ] super exotic car just 20 years ago just 20 years ago if you wanted to buy a car that had 400 horsepower I mean you're spending a 100 Grand you're spending 150 Grand you know you're buying you know the top-of-the-line Porsche 911 Turbo or something like that or a crazy Lamborghini you know that's 300 Grand now you're buying a [ __ ] Mustang GT yep I mean it's bizarre with bizarre time it's good it's very good but the amount of power and responsibility that comes with having one of these you just hand it off to some [ __ ] 17-year-old kid merry you know Merry Christmas you little [ __ ] here's your key well they've also improved they've also improved um brakes brakes traction control actually I I have also I have big issues with traction control and stuff like that because you do hand that guy a 700 horsepower car and then he really then you just you un really unfuck everything for him right if he gets a little squirly the car fixes it for him stability management it starts breaking for you you don't have throttle cables anymore you got
drive by wire and you you can hit wide open throttle but the drive by wire the brain tells you no no no you don't want full throttle because you're just going to spin the tires I was racing at Road Atlanta and a Corvette a C6 Corvette and they have this turn 11 that comes off and your car gets airborne and every time I get airborne I'd land the car would shut off like okay idiot whatever you're doing you got to stop because that's not good we're not supposed to have four it would shut off yep it would go to limp mode shut off I go like around the cor what if you had to [ __ ] maneuver away from something well the engine would go into Lim mode it wouldn't it would it would go it would shut down I'd nail the throttle there's no throttle it would go it' go into four-cylinder mode limp mode until I got halfway through the straight I go and I couldn't shut the damn thing off that's [ __ ] yeah that's terrible but now they're they're developing them with sport mode and other modes where you can do it you can flip a switch too on a lot of these so you can well the other problem is I don't know if this is true but what people really worried about is that someone is going to be able to have kill switches where they could shut your car off like remotely like say if you're run from the cops or something like that they're doing it already they have that it's OnStar yeah OnStar does that yeah you're OnStar you can shut your car off like that like Joe Rogan just stole my Cadillac I'm driving on the road can you please shut it off Bing really yep can you pull that [ __ ] out can you unplug all that stuff probably it's probably wired in it's definitely wired in but that's something you can't retroact actively you can't take like an old Corvette Stingray like a 1970 Stingray and just take all those modern components and have the same sort of experience that you would have driving a C7 Corvette but no OnStar No Nonsense oh yeah I'm sure you could P can you but you couldn't have the traction control right you couldn't could you figure out a way to put a computer and have all that there's enough there's enough you know tuners are tuner and Builders are amazing they can have the traction control in it sure cuz that's what a lot of people want to do now right I mean that's another show
that you're doing right restro mods Resto mod Y Resto mods are the thing where you take an old car and you put all new suspension new components that's very attractive to people Tim Allen's got he's got a 60 69 Camaro um and it's got all new C7 Corvette um suspension Wheels everything in it the you can look it up it's his new it's green it's beautiful you pop the hood you know like some of the stuff you in cars you and I were looking at it it's unbelievable and he drives that around you can drive it everywhere yeah drive it everywhere it starts like a Corvette you can start it from the remote 69 Camaro just started up it's a cool car what what about the interior does it look like a new Corvette or is it like an old school interior as well it's an old school interior wow pull that up man let me see this yeah it's built by bod stra built it okay I've heard that name before right BS IND yep I've told you about it yeah this is a video of it here is this it Tim Allen and Jay Leno hey wow J Little's garage hey everybody oh wow I mean it really is a sleeper yeah that's crazy that's a Corvette turn the volume up let me hear what he has to say about this and this one here belongs to a real car guy uh Tim Allen Tim come on in buddy shitty Wheels oh good to introduction stock sucks good to see you comedian actor bestselling author and Car Guy car guy yeah movie star yes but most of all Car Guy this is a beautiful Camaro you know I've been looking at it when it first pulled in I went oh a 68 Camaro but then I look and there's all these subt subtle little changes just the kind of things that I like those aren't stock wheels they're way wider the rims are but they're the on Tom Sherwood used to racee one of these on Woodward when I was a kid green this color stock 327 is one of those things just a great bullet it ran it it ran circles around any other car I loved that car loved racing with them no console it was the low-end one wasn't the SS so I redid that and I always like Smokey unic the Trans Am car that he made and every time I saw one I think um one of the Elder Brock family has it now and I'd see it race in these classic car RAC what there's something about that car right not the fact trans lower and he shaved two in off the rake of the hood took off the drip rails which I
don't have on all right they're natural flares which they don't have they're not all buttoned up a lot of my time with the ballp hammer Jay you know me dink dink dink dink D and then I decided in those days in Woodward days they had copos right which is what is it you central office production order you could put it on your order and if you did the right sequence GM would put a truck motor in cars with did that time was a 427 yeah and they put 427s in very few Camaros and now they're what you know 800 Grand or something right well what that means is GM did not want their big engine from the Corvette in the Camaro because it me people but if you knew the right people there in his Bugatti room from the production you could that room is all for his Bugatti you could special order a car with the big engine and that's what these had so I changed the name to that that's the name it's a 427 Copo that's just what I called it and we did some great little name tags all this kind of stuff is details that I like Rally wheels that aren't wheels at all they're I mean it's not a wheel like the old days disc brakes have to fit underneath sure you got to make them bigger were they 17s yes yeah I mean that's what I like you know I like it when someone does a period car I hate it when they all of a sudden they have 22-in dubs on it and it just does doesn't look right well you know this town you hit a pothole and I'm sitting at the side of the road I got to have a cuz I drive these things right and well that's a beautiful looking wheel I mean that's a custom wheel you cannot buy that was made specifically for this vehicle number one I really wanted black wheels with hubcaps that's how copos came they didn't come with Rally wheels so I have a set of black wheels that I want bumpers I put back on it all the trim went back on it stock mirrors went back on it no console none of that stuff well that's what I love boy it's really a beautiful beautiful car see if you can get a video of inside of it I want to see what they did to the inside of it if you get images but that's uh that's a a trend that a lot of people are doing now because they want to have that beautiful old school muscle car look but they also want to have a car that that's the interior no way that's a real interior that's R Carl
seats is the only that can't be the interior of the car yeah that's the interior of the car it's the same play Press Play Let me hear what he has to say that was low back that can't be the actual interior it's like a stunt interior a little air freshener too that I always like the brake pedal says dis break because that's an image instead of the video why isn't yeah I don't know why they did it but that is interior car I've sat in that car that's what it looks like so he had he put like an old stupid looking steering wheel and everything it's a stock steering wheel everything's stock interior but it's not stock handling like the the rack pinion and all that [ __ ] yeah it's all it's all C C7 Corvette wow that's the trend right that's what everybody wants yep and your new show when is that is that airing already pilot on History Channel hasn't aired yet there'll be a pilot we're shooting the pilot right now and you're going to start doing a bunch of different cars like that do four of them yeah now how much would Tim Allen have to spend to make something like that three 400,000 Jesus [ __ ] Christ you get a goddamn brand new Corvette for 60 Grand talk about defeating the purpose you can get a trophy truck why why spend money on that when you can buy a trophy truck well that's what you're into now you just regular cars on flat ground is boring as [ __ ] to you yeah they they are boring as [ __ ] you have wait till you go wait till you go for a ride come bring us back when you come back okay I I'll bring you back when I come back when we do Vegas um when can people see your show cuz I know you uh April 20th on CBS Sports April 20th CBS Sports on Sunday yeah it's an hour long we're doing we're doing 61 hours this year including the Baja 1000 so all the races that Rob's racing in including the San Felipe 250s our first race that uh he raced in we'll tell you what happened but he raced in and it's on April 20th and Chris from over Halland he is uh is he one of the hosts yeah Chris Jacobs from over Holland's one of Cameron Steels is another Compadre of his he's one of our hosts and he's a trophy truck racer also awes and Chris Jacobs Chris is a cool guy very very good dude and uh a crazy car nut himself there you go there's Chris yep wow awesome stuff man awesome stuff so um do you have a a Twitter
account or anything like that can people uh yeah at Rob ma21 Rob ma21 okay and Bud do you have a Twitter account no no no he says no I wear all black I wear all black there'll be no Twitter No wants to contact me I don't have Twitter or Facebook tter they will now the French are [ __ ] mad at you yeah yeah yeah yeah I should have kicked your ass you did not pull over now you talk [ __ ] about me all right April 20th CBS uh thank you guys this is a lot of fun great conversation and Rob thank you very much for uh explaining us uh your your insane world and oh we we have one more thing for you so um when we race especially when I started racing every if you don't win the race sometimes you get a little bit of money you get a trophy right so we would only race and I have a collection of at my house you used to get these little pins right little hat pins like a $2 hat pin that says finisher on it right M and that's all you race for you just spent all this money all this time kill yourself you got a walls for them I got like 10 right and it says finisher and sometimes I have you know this and I got a plaque that says winner but um they've upgraded a little bit but generally you run Rob and I brought something for you which is going going to be a finisher medal from the Baja 500 oh that's what it looks like you can have it why why would I have that but I didn't finish [ __ ] I don't I don't deserve to have this ridiculous you get to remember us that's what I'll remember you no matter what dude you live in my neighborhood this is ridiculous I can't have this I'll leave it here but I won't touch it I don't deserve to I don't deserve to all right good times gentlemen Rob mcran bud bretzman and uh April 20th you can watch it on CBS sports watch it tune in uh enjoy support and the History Channel thing is just a pilot is it airing yeah it'll it'll be air probably fourth quarter from December all right let us know when that's going to air and uh we'll uh we'll tune people into it uh thanks to our sponsor thanks to Ting go to rogan.com and uh enjoy yourself some delicious cell phone service and thanks to uh our winner Holly ma Holly ma23 at Twitter I'm sure right now if we go there she
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