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those silly movies like The Secret one of those movies what the rabbit hole or what what the bleep do we know I think it was where a guy was saying go to every door that you walk through and before you walk through it knock on the wall and say am I dreaming and do it as a habit so that every time you go through a door you go Am I Dreaming one time I did it in my dream and it was like oh [ __ ] I'm dreaming and so uh I really did wake up in the middle of a dream and it was but it was very very durable it was really interesting yeah you can stay in it and play with it and see what see where you can take it yeah that's not normal usually I go oh my God I'm Dreaming Bo and I wake up and then it's gone part's over yeah instantly like I've had a few where I was flying for like 15 seconds or something like that but uh the Alpha Brain dreams how long does it take for you to turn a lucid dream into sex oh instantly instantly I find someone and just start a rape Fest you know in the dreams they all want to [ __ ] which is weird um it's it's your mind it's my dreams uh very exciting since you've been here last we were finally able to publish some of the uh the first of uh a series of clinical tests the first one on Alpha Brain so tell tell some people about that because it's pretty exciting results yeah we did a pilot study just to kind of prove the concept with the Boston Center for memory and uh double blind Placebo controlled study people took two Alpha Brain pills which was kind of hard to figure out because we did a survey and a lot of people take three but the majority still take two some some people take one a few Savages take four I can't get hurt by you and AJ Hawk take four [ __ ] AJ a few Savages take four so we went with two and um you know and did a study testing a bunch of cognitive markers and even with the small sample size we had 17 people total go through we're able to achieve statistical significance in a couple key tests uh Stroop inhibition tests executive cognitive functioning um you know some verbal memory tests so some really good indications that the Alpha Brain is you know having the desired effect that you know all the people who take it and you know everybody who likes it is has been talking about now we have some some
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doing something special I just set the top secret monster Bell series I know what that that's coming out in 2014 keep a look out for the monster Bells I've seen some of that I've seen some of that uh go to on it.com o n niit t if you use the code word Rogan you will save 10% off any and all supplements all right ladies and gents Robert Green is here and we're going to get busy we're going to talk about some [ __ ] we're going to enhance your life we're going to get you fired up and you're going to [ __ ] get [ __ ] done cu the music Jamie Jo Rogan podcast check it out The Joe Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day first of all Robert Green thank you very much for doing the podcast I really appreciate it it's a pleasure to meet you pleasure to have you in here um I've heard many many many Fantastic things about you but this guy over here Raves rans and Raves and I know you were recently on the warrior poet uh project podcast which is his podcast and uh he couldn't say enough good things so uh had to have you in here man had have to learn some stuff have to uh figure out what you've accumulated off all your years of research and writing books and your books all seem to be about your [ __ ] together about producing results uhhuh yeah um starting with the 48 Laws of Power I basically decided to enter the self-help genre with a lot of trepidation because I think it's full of a lot of [ __ ] wait a minute hold on what are you saying I'm saying that it's filled with a lot of triac stuff that's going to make you feel good about yourself that's going to boost your ego a bit but doesn't get anything there's nothing real behind it right that there's there's some things about life that are harsh there are people out there that are dirty and mean that you need to know about there's um you know all sorts of things that aren't being discussed in these books and I know for instance when I started out like in Hollywood I used to work in Hollywood um I was like really shocked by all of the kind of power Maneuvers and the kind of passive aggressive games that were going on what did you do in Hollywood uh I wasn't hor horribly successful I was a writer I was assistant to a producer assistant to a
director a researcher a story developer I basically did everything so you were but you were connected to the machine you were in there very much you got to see the gear spin very much so and nobody writes about what really goes on in the world I got so sick of it I see you know all sorts of weird games being played uh one director this one producer who wanted to direct his first film film and basically it would look bad if he uh was the director of something that he had put sort of put together just wouldn't look good politically so what he did is he hired somebody he knew would do a terrible job a director a first-time director he knew the guy would fail and then he could go in and rescue him and become the director on the project but in the meantime totally destroying this other person's reputation on and on I could list 100 other sort of games like that that's a quite clever move yeah all sorts of things right The Art of War basically that's just so I can jump in here and give a bit of my story I found that book Robert Green's 48 Laws of Power before IID met you and and I was in kind of a dark time in in my own work climate and I started reading it and I started realizing all of the things that were happening like oh [ __ ] that's what's going on that's why this bad [ __ ] is happening that's why I'm being thwarted in this in this goal that I have you know cuz you go in with these good natures intentions thinking I'm just going to do my best I'm going to wear my heart on my sleeve and it's all going to work out [ __ ] it doesn't work out you know so I saw his it's all his book it can you got to get lucky and get in touch with the right people or be yeah or be in the right in the right situation but a lot of times if you're in a kind of politically charged situation or situation with a lot of ego uh his book was like this this wakeup call of just sheer unabated truth about what the [ __ ] is going on it's not so that I could do it myself but at least so could protect myself and see it and identify it so this this move that this producer did in order to did that surprise you at all you mean were you like oh you [ __ ] completely because he never told me obviously he wasn't going to confide that this was going on it's my interpretation later on
so you sure that that's what happened or oh completely 100% And I've seen him do other things so I saw what's his name what's his [ __ ] name I can't I can't do that you shouldn't he's no longer among us so I don't want to dead yeah [ __ ] you got off light pal and he wasn't he wasn't a totally awful person you know he had a good side to him that business is ripe with that stuff though but what really annoyed the hell out of me about the Hollywood businesses that people would pretend to be so liberal and wonderful and good I love your project you're wonderful you're great but at the same time they were so [ __ ] power hungry yeah and nobody really talks about the power hungry side and about what people really up to I worked with a guy on my very first sitcoms the first time I ever did any acting at all and I was I was young I was uh like um 20 something 25 I guess or 26 and I was on the show on Fox called Hardball and there was a guy that was on the show uh that would insult people right before it was their time to perform like he would say something about what are you [ __ ] gaining weight here like something what's going on with the gut and the guy would be like what and then you'd see the guy perform with this like [ __ ] he would [ __ ] with you that's pretty good like I've seen it it was really interesting to watch it was it was bizarre like but it wasn't pretty good it was really shitty of him you he did it to me once and I went what what the [ __ ] did you say and then I I cornered him and I said dude I go don't insult me I go cuz you're an ugly [ __ ] do you understand how ugly you are I go we could just start talking about what's wrong with you and [ __ ] this and the guy would go come on we got to film the scene I go no I go this guy's a dick this guy likes to talk [ __ ] to be but right before they and everybody was like what is he doing he's calling out the thing that you know this guy's doing like you're not supposed to do that but he would be like really subtle about it you know he'd be like who picked out that shirt like like weird [ __ ] to girls too man it wasn't just to guys but this was his thing he would be be like really caddy he was always reading like Entertainment Weekly he was always reading what I would call
the devil's rag like The Hollywood Reporter all that [ __ ] he would read those things and like you can see the little [ __ ] Power Wheels spinning in his devious mind luckily he's dropped off the face of the Planet fortunately so you could read some of Robert Green's books like strategies of war maybe and probably find some tactic in there that this guy was applying in order to weaken his his people to gain power probably right I mean does anything come to mind Robert oh several come to mind mostly passive aggression creatively though that stuff is it's very ineffective because I firmly absolutely wholeheartedly believe that if you put your effort into diminishing others creatively it diminishes your own creative ability I really do believe that I also believe that performance-wise if you try to di diminish someone's performance like as an actor this one of the reasons why this guy sucked he was so transparent like he's just a shitty person you know the guy that he did the guy called fat too wanted to kill him I had to talk the guy out of killing him like he want this a big [ __ ] guy like you know I shouldn't call him fat even if he is fat like he was doing it to [ __ ] with the guy right before a scene because he wanted to shine he wanted to be the he wanted to be the guy in the scene that was like really on top of the ball so the thing is to know these strategies so you can do what what he puts in there is called the reversal you know like how to be aware of it and then reverse it well the main thing is to never get emotional in these situations if you're in control of yourself and you can do like Joe did you can sort of see the game behind the game yeah then you're in the position to do something that's strategic like he did to to to play the same game back at guy it's mostly like a a warrior I call it kind of a warrior pose where if you're calm and centered and you're you're aware and in the moment of what the other person is doing then you got strategic options to play the game back but if you get emotional you get angry you get intimidated then forget about it so yeah I would probably today respond very differently but when I was in my early 20s it was scorched Earth it was every time I was I was going to Defcon 9 every time I'm like let's see who can
hold our breath the longest I'll drag you in a pool that that was always my strategy I just because I was always nice to people but as soon as people weren't nice to me I just very that's a good way to be very bad way of handling it um but that that thing that people do seems to be um not just calculated but it seems to be something that's been going on since the beginning of time as soon as people invented language and the invented ability to deceive you're touching upon the subject of my next book that's why I'm smiling what is that uh it's a tentatively called the laws of human nature and essentially I'm saying that somewhere around 10,000 years ago maybe 6,000 our nature was set because we started Living in groups that were larger than 10 20 30 the size of a tribe and once you put 100 people together all sorts of political games start happening and things like envy and passive aggression and basic irrational responses they already occurred in the time of the Bible and so there are these laws of human nature that are so deeply ingrained in us they're ingrained just like a chimpanzee will react a certain way under certain circumstances and I'm going to show you uh what these where these laws come from why people are envious why people are insecure why somebody who has a a certain exterior a face that they present to the world why it's generally hiding the opposite on and on and on so you have you can understand where people's behavior comes from and not be surprised by it anymore so what you present is steps to recognize [ __ ] yeah but you know what there's a little bit of [ __ ] in everyone in all of us including myself all of us though yeah yeah yeah and those who deny it and I hopefully you're not one of them deny are are actually are actually crypto [ __ ] a new word has been formed I'm so excited crypto [ __ ] that's the greatest word that's a great band name by the way you can use it crypto [ __ ] yeah if I was going to start a ban it might be the crypto [ __ ] okay just and get arrested just so they' have to talk about it on CNN like they did P py Riot yeah that was my favorite thing crypto [ __ ] yeah my favorite thing about [ __ ] Riot being arrested them talking about it on CNN I know [ __ ] Riot the members of [ __ ] Riot I was like stop this can't be real
this is a beautiful time beautiful time in history those girls are [ __ ] badass man not not just badass for their their ability to come up with an awesome name but they get arrested they spend [ __ ] how many months in Siberia they get out and start protesting at the Olympics get horsewhipped those chicks are [ __ ] gangster they're so gangster I I love [ __ ] ride I'm a huge fan even if their music sucks and I don't even know if it does it probably does though live performance on JRE [ __ ] Riot make it happen so the crypto [ __ ] um so that's just my next book everyone but does everyone have [ __ ] in them because they're reacting to other [ __ ] or do you think that everyone has like a selfish aspect to them that's undeniable I mean what what is it about people that you think everyone has a little bit C them is it reactionary or is it is it actionary is that actionary it's both it's both um I suppose there might have been one saintly figure in our history who doesn't have any of this maybe a Jesus or somebody but pretty much um the the underlying philosophy of all my books particularly the 48 Laws of Power is that human beings have a primal need for power and we've we've used that word power in the wrong way when we think of power we think of white men up in the White House controll the world I try and bring power down to an everyday level and say the feeling that you have no control over your life over your destiny over the people around you your children your wife is the most miserable feeling that any human can have that you have no power over them no ability to influence them and so from the age of one two years old we have had this feeling of insecurity of weakness and we want to have control and power over the people around us the events that go on in life and that is the source for a lot of our manipulative Behavior some people are overtly manipulative and very dangerous that way but all of us all of us engage at some point or another in something that Teeters on manipulation and my books are about let's just be honest about who we are instead of trying to Imagine That We Were Somehow descended from Angels instead of primates no we're descended from chimpanzees if you study chimpanzees they're pretty Machiavellian creatures that's where we come from let's be
honest about the human being instead of trying to pretend that we're all born like Gandhi well the the chimpanze has one thing that we don't and that's language uh or we have one thing that they don't rather which is language and language is where things get weird because you get deception yes and you also get strategy yes you know you where chimps have some strategy like you ever seen the videos where they chase monkeys where they they Corner them on the sides and then other chimps rush them towards and they climb up and they eat them it's pretty radical stuff and until the 1990s people didn't even know that chimps ate monkeys you know they thought these beautiful Berry eating friends they eat bananas like Curious George NOP not really they [ __ ] rip monkeys apart and eat them alive and and they engage in Warfare yes they do they engage in Warfare against other chimps they engage uh in it in a very strategic sense they have lines where they're not allowed to cross and when they do cross they they you know they take action this is actually interesting topic because if you read Chris Ryan he's had proposes a theory that this behavior that they've observed the chimp Waring was created by the artificial U production of this food box in the in the chimp's habitat when they were observing them they would have food around that they were giving The Chimps no but right so this is this is this is pretty well done they didn't see any of that prior to the food box when they would just go out no no no no I don't know who Chris Ryan is but I I think that's very wrong Jane Goodall observed this but to keep the chimps around she had a box of food so this is a fact right and after that it created this Zero Sum game where the chimps were competing for a limited resource of food which actually goes to the argument that when you create a civilization and it's not just tribal and it becomes a zero sum game that's when the war and the strategy gets to a peak because you're creating a zero sum game there's a limited amount of resources a limited amount of crop or in the case of the chimpanzees a limited amount of food was coming out of this box so only a certain number of The Chimps would get the food so kind of interesting I just thought I'd bring that up and when Dr Ryan's on here you
can certainly bring that up he'll be on next week he'll be on the 11th what was your issue with what he said well it's always a zero sum game why isn't it a zero some game in nature there's always limited food supp right but there's always there's more resource you can go to you're not competing for one one specific section you can go to more Acres more hectares of land and find you know the grubs or the fruits or whatever of that of that area rather than competing over I don't want to argue with somebody I haven't read so maybe he has a very valid point and I haven't read him so it's not fair for me to but it doesn't it doesn't affect your it doesn't affect your theory that once you're in Civilization these games begin and the tighter the resources in that Civilization I.E bigger cities and the more closely people are working together the more fever pitch these games well I don't want to I don't want to get on a on a tangent here but there's a writer a scientist named EO Wilson um biologist and he's pretty much demonstrated that our our earliest human ancestors going back to OST opines um were engaging in forms of warfare sure so he wants to sort of debunk the notion of the happy peaceful Savage that that goes back to Jean jacqu rouso Etc that we do have very violent roots and so maybe chimpanzees it becomes Zero Sum if there's overpopulation and they're fighting over smaller territories which we humans were doing as we became more populist so he was trying to debunk the notion that it's only at the Advent of Agriculture where we started Living in settlements and became civilized that Warfare began and he shows very clearly that the beginnings of warfare go back hundreds of thousands of years well seems unavoidable it seems like all animals who compete for breeding rights who compete for food they they engage in some form of combat I mean deers regularly kill each other you know that happens with elk it happens with Sables Sables with those crazy Big Horns that they have they [ __ ] they spear each other and they kill each other um I had Louis tho uh on the podcast yesterday and uh he at one of his documentaries he had this uh African hunting camp where they sort of these canned hunts where they uh have these high fence operations
they breed all these animals and they have these Sables and they're [ __ ] murdering each other they just run into each other and gouge each other when you know when the females are what are Sables they like it's one of those crazy [ __ ] deer things you pull up a picture of a sable Jamie it's a one of those African deer like creatures with big crazy horns they have these you know [ __ ] murder weapons is what they have built in their face you know that's really what they have um but the point being is that yeah there they are those guys murder each other looks like a orex similar yeah there's a there's a lot of those different types of uh antlered horned uh you know animals that they Clash heads I mean that's what they do they go to war with each other it's it seems to be a part I mean it's also a part of genetic selection it seems to be unavoidable and I've always felt that when we look at the time frame between now and 6,000 10,000 years whatever it was when we started having these uh these civilizations these we we're we're in a very small window between then and now and such radical change has taken place between them and now then and now but yet genetically not much you know a few Vari variations have been observed between us and people that lived thousands of years ago but God not that much when it comes to need when it comes to sexual desire when it comes to Greed when it comes to all the motivate motivating factors and all the reward systems that are in place yeah and the other thing being that we don't have release anymore the physical release that a human being is essentially hardwired every chimp they're swinging from branches and they're they're working out all day I mean they're they're constantly getting this release of energy and they're also getting release of some of their aggressive energy as well which we don't seem to have have a lot of exactly what I'm talking about I think people are essentially leaky batteries of aggressive energy I mean when someone's in their car and they start [ __ ] freaking out cuz you got in front of them and [ __ ] honking their horn that's a leaky battery of aggressive the other day this mild mannered woman in the her 40s or 50s cut me off and she just turned around and G I'd never seen
a woman show that kind of absolute chimp like aggressive bearing my teeth at me in a car it was shocking you haven't been to the post office very off stamps.com another yeah it's a it's a weird thing and it's also there's the the car is a very unique environment in that because of the fact that you don't even though you see people you don't don't feel them you know you're not in front of them like I'm looking at you right now and if I said something that hurt your feelings it would bother me but if I didn't know you and you're in a car I'm like [ __ ] you dude [ __ ] [ __ ] you [ __ ] you Honk Kong [ __ ] you you know people do that all the time I've seen people cut in front of each other and race down the street and get in front of each other and just Madness that you wouldn't see in a line you wouldn't see if you waiting in line to go to a movie it's very rare but you see it there because this all the social cues are missing all the the human interaction is missing it's like there's this wall and this filter up same thing on the internet yes more so on the internet because you don't even see the person they're hiding behind you know dick [ __ ] 69 is their name you know whatever it is they're not real and so they can reach out to Robert Green and go your [ __ ] books are for [ __ ] you know they just post YouTube comments and go [ __ ] crazy on your blog like people like a friend of mine writes a Blog and he and someone was like why don't you have comments on your blog like what do you read comments do you do you read comments on blogs why would you want anybody to write where you're writing you know if you had a painting would you allow people to to you know paint underneath your painting what they think about your painting it would be a lot of dicks pointing to your painting piles of [ __ ] with flies that's what they would draw there's and not Mo not all people but enough people to where it's a problem because they haven't earned the ability to communicate with you like that you you choose who you communicate with in real life for the most part especially who you surround yourself with on a regular basis but online you choose nothing online it's the beautiful thing about being online is that everyone gets to say something
and it's the horrible thing about being online is that everyone gets to say something and do so anonymously yep which is another part of what's weird about our progression from this ancient Society where you know we hunted and gathered to eventually Agriculture and then civilization in quotes to where we find ourselves today so your books essentially and this new book especially is sort of recognizing these traits so that you can move away from them well you're talking about my new book that hasn't been written yet yeah um the point of the book is that this is human nature and it's an animal nature and to be truly human we have to overcome these traits in us to be truly rational reasonable um and empathetic an creatures we have to overcome these various aspects of our own nature which are embedded in each one of us biologically genetically such as our propensity to feel Envy the propensity to feel Envy is basically at its root the fact that we humans are constantly comparing ourselves to other people look at your own life every on a day-to-day basis and be honest with yourself and try and calculate how many times during a day you're actually comparing yourself to another person he's got more money she's prettier he's you know got a better job you're doing it that's like so completely human for various reasons which I'll explain in the book to reach a higher nature which is the goal of my book you have to be aware that that's happening in you and you have to find a way to disengage yourself from that need to constantly compare yourself to others to find your own value your own self-worth from within so I these are all kind of cliches but I'm going to show you in a very real fashion how you can overcome them once you're aware that they're inside of you yeah but the book is not written yet it's a beautiful point though that's that's the beautiful point of being aware of them instead of denying them instead of getting all Fufu you know Chimes and you know Indian chants thank you being aware of them yes so when you started reading all of these self-help books and started recognizing that there was all this horeshit going on was your immediate reaction to try to write something that you thought was more realistic beneficial or did you
just get how did you how did you deal with it well there's a lot of anger um I you know I have less now that I'm older but I had a lot of anger back then because it really pissed me off that no one was talking about it people were pretending that this was the world we lived in there'd be books in the business section About Management how to manage people which is a very Primal uh dis topic of discussion you have a group of people and you're a leader how do you manage all of these insecure egos who were thinking of the themselves and these books were essentially dishonest they weren't confronting the fact that when you put 10 people together those people generally have their own agendas they're thinking first and primarily of themselves and their future and their careers and what they can get for themselves and if you start from a basic false premise you're not going to get anywhere so I was dealing with I wanted to cut my sword through all of this thick [ __ ] and say this is what really happens in business in the music industry in Hollywood among lawyers in politics and if some of it was a little brutal maybe I gave myself a little bit of literary license to exaggerate ever so slightly but for instance I have a chapter in there about how to create a cult um and it's obviously ironic I'm not telling you you need to go out there and create a cult what I'm saying is we humans are very gullible and we're very easy to mislead and we're very easy we want to believe in something we want to believe in a cause this is these are the strategies that people have used in history to create a cult-like following and I'm going to sort of reveal that uh to you um these are things that just aren't in self-help books at least in 1998 when the book came out so when you you're writing about creating a cult yeah what are your what are your strategies how do you go about doing that um well you're trying to wrap yourself up in the sort of mystical Veil I the chapter originally I already [ __ ] that part up you probably haven't because you have a cult like following and therefore isn't cult-like different though from what than cult cult like is different than cult because I'm not there's no organization whatsoever not trying to get anything out of anybody
I'm trying to tell them what to do there's it's different I'm not trying to benefit from it well you want to have as many followers as possible as many people watching shouldn't have as many as possible quality over qualtity very important I know business and I'm sure you're right though I keep hearing you saying [ __ ] and cult I'm not oh cult we're done with [ __ ] you know once you uh what was your term again crypto crypto [ __ ] yeah you're you [ __ ] knocked it out of the park with that that's um basically if if somebody is using numbers now I know I have the 48 Laws of Power so I could be guilty of It 33 Strategies of War okay okay 50th law they're probably starting to create a cult um because that goes back hundreds and thousands of years not th not hundreds thousands but right um hundreds and thousands thank you yes uh giving a sort of mystical Edge to what you're doing you're trying to make people think that you're creating a religion without a religion um and there you know I give I show you the steps that people go through five steps in order and you can pretty much if you see those steps happening you know that this person is creating a cult like following and one of the steps steps towards near the end is creating an Us Versus Them Dynamic it's us 1,000 followers against the whole world that doesn't believe in our theory of how the you know of how aliens landed on the planet and started the human race so whenever there's they're creating this false dichotomy of US versus the non-believers and you know that you're on your way to a cult that yeah that Cult of thinking is very common isn't it yes the US versus them is really uh that's the big one that is the big one and that goes back I'm going to say in my new book which hasn't been written yet um that that goes back to our hunter gather ancestors where we're separating ourselves very violently from us from them that tribe over there they're evil they don't believe in the same gods that we believe in they don't practice the same rituals we have to go kill them it's very Primal human thing yeah that see people have this really seems inescapable need to be a part of a group yes whether it's a group of Mac users or you know whether it's whatever the [ __ ]
I like Fords I like Chevy you know people get they get really crazy about that and it's a a very weird aspect of human nature yes like people want you to be on the same cell phone provider as them like what are you doing with T-Mobile man come on over 18t like well the the the companies have used some of those strategies they've created this US versus them mentality to help you know make people feel like that you know all of these advertising practices that you see you know generally you can find a lot of their roots in you know some of these larger scale strategies like look at this map versus this map creating this antagonism that actually probably helps both sides and it's they're all just shaking hands like that plane ride where the Republicans and Democrats were playing yatsi with each other and having a big laugh I remember the think different ads do you remember the think different ads for Apple well they use all these dead people I was like does that guy even know he's in an ad guys dead this is weird you know think different with the Apple logo and that and everybody wanted to think different very effective app very effective but almost you know kind of deceptively so yeah in some weird sort of a way you know well you're just it's a [ __ ] computer man yeah what you have is a computer like it's not thinking for you doesn't you could write the most racist horrible [ __ ] on a Mac and it doesn't stop you you could you could totally plot your agenda against whatever fill in the blank anti-homosexual anti-woman anti- whatever you could just write the worst [ __ ] ever on a Mac it doesn't discriminate it doesn't have any effect on how you think like it's it's such a dumb ad think different think different how what I'm sitting in front of this thing going I'm not thinking any different I think it's also grammatically incorrect it is differently yeah you're right yeah it's it's [ __ ] dead wrong but yet effective yeah I it's that the need to be a part of a group is uh it's one of the things that people definitely play against well we're a complete social animals um and uh that's the source if you think about the human being go back a million years ago we're we were incredibly the one of the weakest animals on the planet um you know we
were just barely learning how to stand up on our two legs we were slow couldn't run very fast didn't have teeth to kill another animal with no poison no claws we were the maybe one of the weakest animals on in you know in the in Africa and yet look at us now it was from our so becoming the preeminent Social Animal we learn how to work in groups to hunt in groups to cooperate out of that came language eventually so you can't divorce our extreme social nature from who we are and because of that we have a tremendous propensity to conform to to want to think like other people I don't know if you're familiar with the mil gr experiments about Authority and obedience it was in the 60s a Yale Professor had people come in for an experiment where they were made to give electric shocks to other people if they didn't answer a question correctly they weren't really giving a shock it was all a plant but he was trying to see how they would respond to Authority and the most mild manner housewife would be given those shocks to people when they gave the wrong answer and he was showing how inbred our n how we are all wired to obey Authority um so these are things embedded deeply in us as a social animal for the good for for for a good thing our our ability to cooperate but it also has a very dark and negative side which is our ability to to engage in group think and our mindless uh obedience to Authority is that where that's coming from when someone with a mild-mannered housewives are hitting that button and and shocking people is that where it's coming from or is it they finally have some power over something because I I feel like there's a lot of people out there that feel incredibly powerless and frustrated and they feel like they have this backlog like they have a leaky battery for that like they want to have some [ __ ] power over people and when you finally do like what was the Stanford Prison experiments yeah that was the same was it same thing no it's there were two professors who were friends and they kind of did oh both [ __ ] yeah pointing out like how to make people evil the Stanford Prison experiments I mean they cut them off after they cut the experiment short because people were being so evil they had fake prison guards and fake prisoners um I I personally experienced
that on on a personal level when I was a security guard I worked as a security guard at Great Woods which is a a concert Center for the Performing Arts in Massachusetts it's in Massi man Manfield I think man Mass where the [ __ ] it is Manfield Mass I think it is it's uh this outdoor venue and um there was a lot of crazy [ __ ] going on they had all these nutty concerts there and all these fights would break out and it became Us Versus Them us as a security guard versus them and I saw some really mild-mannered people do some mean [ __ ] to the people that were uh were guests there very interesting you know I saw a guy that was would never hurt anybody punch somebody in the stomach cuz the the guy I forget what the guy did but I remember watching him hit this guy going wow this is crazy yeah and it was because of that it was because he was wearing a security jacket he was security the guy was a drunk [ __ ] and but where would normally if he ran into this guy in the street would never hit him yeah but because he was in this position of power in quotes you know he he hit this guy I mean I don't know if the guy push someone or something but it would it was avoidable he didn't have to hit him yeah and I remember that mentality being very clear the US versus them mentality the key to avoiding these dark characteristics is you have to be honest number one which I think he's very good at doing but then also understand and identify him not you know be able to look and say this is why this is happening we have this Us Versus Them Dynamic it's creating this this thing and unless you can identify it and become aware of it it's you're pretty much powerless to break it so the knowledge that these books give give you at least in my opinion of of one of the reasons I loved them so much they give you the power back by saying you're not just a leaf at the mercy of the wind of these forces of human nature and the forces of other people wielding these power games and the forces of seduction by these people you're desperately trying to date and how they've got you all wound up inside you're no longer powerless because you can see aha this is what's happening and you can take some of that back and then chart your course with your own intent with your own morality how you want to do it yeah
that's that's very thank you Auber that was very well put but I have a book I should have you just do all the answer all the questions uh I did a book think he's busy think going on I I I did a book uh with 50 Cent uh the rapper called the 50th law M and basically what I did in that book was I I wanted to figure out what made 50 so interesting so powerful and after hanging out with him I decided that the guy was Fearless he had a just incredible Fearless quality and philosophy of life so the book that we wrote together was sort of a meditation on fearlessness and the and the the whole point of the book was being Fearless isn't a question of just going out there and saying [ __ ] you I don't care what anybody does I'm going to you know uh put you around and I'm not afraid that's not fearlessness fearlessness is first coming to terms with the fact that you are afraid you are afraid of death you are afraid of other people getting one up on you you are afraid of being alone you are afraid of people thinking that you're different okay look at it in yourself be aware that that's existing that it's it's in it's happening in your body before it even hits your mind now that you're aware of it now you you can start conquering your fears so I say we say it in that book for instance Napoleon bonapart or General Patton two men who were incredibly Brave who would be on the front line of battle take bullets flying past them these were men who were very afraid in the beginning when they first went into battle and were quite ashamed of the fear that they saw in themselves and they became aware of it and then slowly they overcame it by exposing themselves to the very thing that they were afraid of so that's sort of the Paradigm you're talking about becoming aware of the process of these these sort of qualities we don't want in ourselves seeing how they operate inside of you instead of saying oh it's always the other person it's not me I'm not afraid I don't have these problems no you do have them let's let's confront it and let's show you how you can rationally and in a intellectual and and mindful way overcome the overcome them yeah because there truly is no managing of anything that you're denying if you're denying EX
you cannot manage well that was well put too sh you guys are much more eloquent than I am well we we take a lot of mushrooms Robert Green that helps us confront these interference have you ever taken mushrooms Robert yes a big deep breath of course he has but but I took a lot of peyote that was my drug of choice just as good yeah there you go just as good talk about a way to show you the fears that you didn't realize you have and help you confront them you know these things they're really a great mirror to reflect upon yourself yeah hallucinogenics I mean I think that's one of the great values that it brings is you know you don't know exactly what your deepest fear is until you do iasa and then it's like oh yeah that's it the thing that you've been showing me for the last three hours I guess I'm most afraid of that well the thing with peyote is you never knew what was going to happen you never knew what one trip was never the same as another so you always had like trepidation like whoa this could be really ugly I don't know what's going to happen and you had to deal with it and confront it how did you do it did you do it in like traditional Native American setting uh no no I was in Berkeley uh going to some college here uh we we would take the we buttons and you take off all the the little white stringy poisonous bits and then you cut it up and you either put it in a shake or in a peanut butter sandwich and then you go find a nice safe place the traditional peanut butter sandwich yeah exactly I mean they would eat iter people they would eat it they taste horrible it's just it's not just the taste it's the consistency and unless you're a Native American it's hard to stomach it you're just going to vomit it straight up and you don't want to vomit it because then you're not going to get the trip so you got to trick your body into like digesting it and so you have to put it in the Smoothie if you vomit it it doesn't work no you're vomiting out immediately all of the stuff you just digest because it works with iasa well if you vomit based on the taste it hasn't had a chime to a but if you vomit later in the trip based on it trying to clear your body that's a different it's already assimilated so um anyway so do you feel like those payot experiences help form your view of things very much
so very much so um you know it just made you a it kind of put connects you to reality where there's things where you're you're just in a mind a fog all the time because we're so conditioned to think in certain ways and to have something that draws you out of the same rut of thinking and confront you with really the real world this amazing world that's around you uh has had a huge influence on my writing and I know this next book hasn't been written but I have another book after that that has not even begun to be even thought of as written and that's going to bring together all of my experiences on that level a book on what I call the sublime which I've written about in the 50th law um and we'll write a whole book about at one point so the 50th law is the one that you wrote with 50 yes sir now what what was the motivation behind that well basically my early books um meaning the 48 Laws seduction and and War to some extent were very popular among hip-hop artists really yeah basically because you know the music industry I described you Hollywood well Hollywood is kind of like kindergarten compared to the music business they they are the the real sharks are in the music business they are pretty nasty pretty AK of Elli and um and people like 50 JayZ and their managers in the late 990s early 2000s were coming to grasp with the fact that they they wanted to control their own work to have some power and some money and become entrepreneurs and and dealing with these sharks in the music business was something that nothing not even any kind of street life prepared them for 50 would tell me he hustled on the streets stealing cracks saw people being kned D and killed and dealt with a lot of danger and nothing prepared him for the Sharky horrific games that he saw in the music industry with Colombia inders scope Etc so they were reading my book to help them deal with this they did these are not people who went to Harvard Business School they didn't have a book out there to help them understand how manipulative these people could be and so they gravitated the 48 loss of power 50 was one of them and he contacted me at some point I think about 05 06 wanted to meet me because he liked the book a lot and then we met and we had a really interesting Synergy obviously we're not we don't come from similar backgrounds
we don't look alike we don't seem you're not from the street I'm from a street but I'm not the street you know were you born in a field everybody's born from a street yeah I'm I'm you know I come from a middle class Jew Jewish background so I'm not quite the same as you know Southside Queens but um but we had a really nice energy together like we think alike like I told you about that Hollywood director most people in Hollywood were were getting so angry with him and so angry about the games that they never took a step back to figure out oh this is the strategy that this guy applied and 50 was the same way he said I took a step back and said this is what the guy at inner scope is really doing so we thought alike and we thought let's bring two minds together that think alike but from totally different backgrounds and see what happens that's fascinating the um the music business for folks who don't know has been uh it's really a fascinating operation and uh it's kind of been gutted because of the MP3 uh influx and Napster was the first blow and then from there it's like really now it's kind of interesting because the performers actually make their money from performing more than anything else it's very difficult to make the millions and millions of dollars that the Rolling Stones and you know what have you all those bands in the past made from selling records there's no really that that doesn't exist anymore in the same way but Courtney Love wrote uh a piece about I'm sure she probably didn't really write it probably they they said it was ghostwritten I agree it's pretty [ __ ] smart and I've seen she's smart woman yeah okay I believe you but I don't know maybe not anyway whether she let's say she wrote it okay let's say she wrote it it's it's insane if you've ever read it that piece that she wrote on the uh music business and how it really works and how they extract everything from your profits everything promotion um you know expenses all these different things by the time the artist gets paid for the records they have all this weird way of doing math where it shows like no money it shows no Money's been made they use that for not just the music business but Hollywood sure do I have a friend who produced a television
show it's a very successful television show and it's not just can you stop doing that for a second the crunching thing sorry it's very distracting the um the the television show is not just successful Nationwide it's syndicated across the world and the company that made this show the production company is claiming that it doesn't turn a profit I mean I'm not talking about one country it's in 16 different countries and there's like several versions of it with different hosts all throughout the world and they're trying to tell him that it's not and so he's suing them and there's like this crazy [ __ ] lawsuit right now lawsuits are just course for business you know that's the doesn't even scare it doesn't even make people bat an eye in those Industries but it's weird like how is it not making a profit did you get paid did you get paid is that a profit like where's is there there's got to be a [ __ ] profit here because there's all this money like a movie that can make a hundred million doll can be said to have turned no profit yeah yeah wow like that's bizarre where's that money going to but this [ __ ] this these Shenanigans are sort of a lot of the stuff that you're talking about in 48 Laws yeah yeah ACC Courtney Love uh was a big reader of the 48 Laws of Power she she used it in one of her lawsuits against the music industry she held up a copy of the book and said this is what you guys are using against us F you you bad [ __ ] helping out Courtney Love did you ever see that documentary that claims that she killed Kurt Cobain or had Kurt Cobain killed no one of the most [ __ ] bizarre documentaries ever like someone [ __ ] set out to prove that Courtney Love was responsible for kurk Cobain's death like oh all right are you sure yeah cuz if you're not sure sources yeah that's a pretty [ __ ] crazy statement you know how can you just you can just do that you can just say that you know nobody tried her for that like can you sue someone who says that you're responsible for the suicide of your [ __ ] husband awful off track obviously um back to the book um so this this business this music business is just example really of what happens when power structures are created when people who are in these power structures understand the game and then take these
people that are just coming into it fresh and especially artistic types people who are creative people who are artistic types often times not very good with money not not sound financial thinkers and just the opposite of these business sharks that are involved in inner scope or whatever the the you know whatever the the lab well they've dedicated themselves to the Mastery of their craft and this whole other craft this business shiness is this other whole skill set that it's you know challenging to be able to master both you know so getting the cliff notes is awfully helpful to be able to sort that out because you know that is they to be as where they are at that point and obviously he'll go into his book Mastery but that is a Relentless pursuit of excellence in a well-defined niche that doesn't allow for a lot of time to explore these other things unless you know you're forming some bridge if you were going to recommend your books to someone what what order would you recommend them in well it depends on what business you're in and what point you are in life okay how about me how about me I'm a comedian yeah what should I do you you who are already so successful well probably Mastery in some ways because maybe to take you to the next level uh but I don't know if you're dealing with a lot of political stuff if you are then you're going to want 48 or maybe the strategies of war uh it depends on who you are what your weaknesses are what your strengths are where you are in life if you're 22 years old and you're just graduating college and you're about to enter the real world um I'd say Mastery for reasons that maybe hopefully we'll get into uh but if you're 25 and you're now working at Goldman Sachs God bless you if you are or God save you I think um you're going to probably want the 48 loss of power because man that's a power hungry nasty manipulative maav ellian environment if you're in the music industry as well if you're P somebody who's a very afraid you've got all sorts of great creative ideas but you're never going to the next step and starting that great movie or project you have maybe the 50th law would be good for you because so you can get over some of those fears that are holding you back if you're some guy who just can't find a you know can't get is
is really bad with women Art of Seduction obviously would probably be your choice so it depends a little bit on who you are now you wrote the artist seduction to help people get laid is that the idea no I didn't no I know it would sound great I know i' I'd probably have 8 million people buying the book tomorrow and now I'm only going to get like 15 but the truth of a matter is Art of Seduction is about how to seduce people how to get them to like you or love you it's all about creating a spell so if you want to just get laid you know maybe Neil Strauss or the pickup artist that's probably more your speed they got all sorts of gimmicks about how to tell a woman something in a bar and melt her resistance and Etc I'm more about the long-term how you can take that woman or it can be a woman seducing a man obviously and get and play a mind game on her so in the course of three months she doesn't want to just sleep with you she wants to like give you everything she has she creating stalkers uh could be and I have and I'm AF I'm ashamed of it but more likely I don't believe you at all when you say I'm ashamed of it you're [ __ ] proud of that [ __ ] I see it no I don't like stalkers cuz really the book is about casting a spell okay you know let's say let's say this is the goal of Seduction when that woman leaves you after the whatever night you had together the date or whatever or just an encounter she's going home and thinking about you okay now you're starting to seduce her you're it's a mind game it's a mental thing we humans our sex drive and our mental process are really interconnected um and I'm getting you to play on that I'm getting you to play on psychology and melting other people's resistances getting them to lower their guard cuz everybody's very got their guard up constantly particularly in this modern world nobody is opening up to you or nobody wants to show vulnerability it's just you're just dealing with a million porcupines out there I'm showing you how to get those resistance levels down and give room to finagle your way into their head and the converse of course too you know which is a lot of people are getting these things played upon them constantly again it goes back to the same thing if you're not aware of the tactics that somebody's using you
know you're defenseless against them you're just completely vulnerable and you'll get sucked into this lure this spell that they're creating by this Push Pull tactic that they're using whatever strategy that they're using and you'll just be helpless to it and you see guys fall for these all the time you know it's something that bums me and you out personally a lot when we see friends and people we love caught in this spell that someone's woven where they Can't Let Go despite so many other things going bad in their life they're just trapped in it and reading something like the arst seduction says oh she's using law number seven as her primary means and 13 and 17 and now I see you now I got you [ __ ] you know and it's like you can switch it back and say okay now what do I want do I want to keep you around do I want to or do I want to just release myself you know remove these hooks these invisible hooks that you've created and just free to chart my own course well thank you every I I find that a lot of people enjoy the struggle of of relationship struggle because it distracts them from their own life dist distracts yeah distracts them from their shortcomings and achieving their goals they put up obstacles almost on purpose they create these interpersonal relationships that are going to ensure conflict so they don't have to deal with success so they don't have to deal with uh fa they have like a built-in excuse for failure y that's very common yep uh Freud called that air fol anst um and basically that means fear of success which is something I talk a lot about in my book that's real right it sounds like it sounds ridiculous sounds like an oxymoron but it's real yeah that's a main main one of the main points in Mastery about master is basically a book um that's I'm trying to get away from all of the political stuff I've described in my previous books and here I'm going to show you how we humans can attain excellence in this world how we can be really really the best at what we do because I I think that's the highest form of power we humans can reach when we're so good at what we do then all the political games in the world can't topple us from where we are um and what holds a lot of people back um is that they're really self-sabotaging they're finding all
kinds of excuses why they can't go through this process uh they believe in the myth that people are born talented or Geniuses are simply born that way or that they didn't get to go to the right school or their parents were mean to them or yada yada yada or my girlfriend is you know whatever as you said they get involved in drama games that so fill up their mind they can't think of anything else so I'm going to make you as in this book as well aware of what's holding you back and these fears that you're using to sabotage yourself that is one of the most frustrating things to me when I'm talking to someone and they have these built-in excuses for why they can't do what they want to do like give me some of these excuses that you here well I have a friend uh who wanted to be a comedian he wound up not being a comedian he doesn't have children he doesn't have a wife doesn't have a mortgage so he's not it's not like he has this job that he has these responsibilities to feed his family so he's stuck in this job but he was like well you know what man I I miss the boat with comedy if IID started in the '90s everything would have been great I go what are you talking about the people that start right now there's there's open mics right now go to Tuesday night to the Laugh Factory there's a [ __ ] line around the block they get there at 9:00 a.m. and they wait in line you should do that too if you want to do comedy oh man I can't do that I'm 30 years old do you think the [ __ ] line gives a [ __ ] at how old you are man the line has no idea about your age the line is there the microphone is on for an 80-year-old man if an 80-year-old man talks in that microphone it makes noise just like a baby if a baby cries into that microphone it also makes noise like what are you talking about like he and I got into this crazy debate about he's like look man it's easy for you to say you're already successful I'm like look dude it's not easy for me to say it's hard for me to hear CU you're [ __ ] yourself you're you want to be a comedian and if you think you're funny and by the way you don't even really have to be funny you just have to have the ability to figure out how to become funny and that's self-analysis objectivity and work that's what it is
but you you're already creating this insurmountable barrier you didn't start in the 90s like what are you [ __ ] talking about in in the book um Mastery I interviewed nine Modern Masters to sort of embed them in monst all the ancient Masters that I talk about and one of the nine Modern Masters I interviewed is a woman named Temple grandon I don't know if you've heard of her no Temple grandon is like a very famous animal behavior scientist U and she was born with Autism and at the age of two was basically going to be put in a mental institution for the rest of her life because she was a severe autistic she couldn't learn language she was just the kind of kid you See's just banging their head against a she was severely autistic and through a process I describe in the book with her mother's help and a speech therapist she slowly got to at the age of four to be able to start speaking and going to schools and I show the process that eventually led her to become a great scientist now if somebody born with severe autism at the age of two's going to be institutionalized for their whole life can become a master then there's no [ __ ] excuse for some 30-year-old who has nothing no barriers like that at all to ever get to that point that's really the reason I put it in there if any if somebody like that can overcome their limitations then there's no more excuses allow well there is one excuse he's a weak [ __ ] that's that's the excuse and my advice don't be a weak pitch it's so simple break it down to that yeah my other advice that I always give out is be the person that you pretend to be when you're trying to get laid whoa if you can just do that just be that guy what would that guy do be that guy and let it become you that that's something I never covered in the artst seduction damn yeah be the person be the hero in your own movie that's the the other thing I say to people when people are they feel like their life's pretend you're a [ __ ] loser in a movie you woke up today the same scenarios you always see guy wakes up makes a [ __ ] blender full of pizza or whatever they do you know get their life together smoke a cigarette and realize you're a failure you're you're the bills are piling up the phones ringing off the hook from bill collectors what would the
hero in the movie do right now do that [ __ ] and it works it works for some people other people they find excuses to not do it I got that advice from uh from a family friend one time and and I was I was terrible at dating till I was like 22 or so 21 I was awful I was way too nice I was so doting and it wasn't even the real me I was just being playing this over nice person and people hated it it was the most repulsive is that weird to ha being nice yeah it was the most repulsive thing and so he he told me he's like just analyze your actions and what you're saying and ask what would Bruce Willis do cuz at the time at the time it was that's who was like the the big you know action hero or whatever my advice that helped change the game for me is stay nice but be willing to walk away as soon as you expose that someone else is not nice back be nice always but then as soon as someone's not nice back say all right good luck take it easy not need them at all if you don't need them at all the problem with nice people is they're needy [ __ ] it's not just nice the reason why they're being nice is they need you to like them you could be really nice and not need people you to like you and if they don't like you or they don't want to be around you you're fine with it then they freak out they don't know how to handle that they're like [ __ ] I missed the nice guy it was nice and it slipped through my fingers personal sovereignty it's one of the most important things to have in this life the ability to be yourself to be by yourself and why would other people like you if you don't even like like yourself you got to do things in life that you would admire you got to be the kind of person that you would like and if you're not why would you expect anyone to like you I have this argument with guys all the time where they talk about women and you know [ __ ] girls want money they want this they want that you know women always like you know I just I'm not so good with women's I always say this would you [ __ ] you would you [ __ ] you I don't think I would who I don't say how dare you you know it's not just physical it's mental it's the way you behave are are you a kind person are you fun to be around there are people that are just genuinely great to be around you know they don't
have to be good-look you know they don't have to be they don't have to be intelligent they don't have to be well read they they just have a quality they have a quality and do you not have that quality and if you don't have that quality can you can you acquire it well what I try to do in Art of Seduction is uh I'm saying people who read a book and try to seduce are usually the worst seducers or who've taken some advice because they're not in the moment um and they're seem like they're kind of being cold and calculating and the trick to seduction is to appear or to to be as natural as possible and to at least appear natural um so everybody has a different style some people are funny and great to be around but maybe you're just not born that way maybe you're just not witty uh maybe but you have other strengths you have other qualities something naturally seductive about you um that could be you're very social and you know you can think about what the other person wants um it could be I have one of the types in the in the book you maybe you do have CSH qualities what does that mean you can blow hot and cold CSH oo new word coet CSH never never heard anybody say that before sultry French coet isn't that amazing you could live 46 years on this world I've taught you several words today you have thank you so much crypto [ __ ] yeah that's my favorite word ever I think you're free to use it everyone's using it now I mean it's the world that kind of what you're saying it kind of reminds me of what you talk about finish but go ahead it's all right yeah no go ahead you can finish well it reminds me a little bit of what you're talking about in Mastery of going with your natural inclination that is that is going to be the best thing like going with that vocation whatever makes you that unique individual it's almost the same in seduction as it is in Mastery pursuing that channel that venue of what is going to bring you out your highest qualities is going to lead to the greatest success no matter what it is seduction or Mastery yeah I'm trying to make the point in Mastery um that you have you're born with a key to success every single human being is born that way I'm not trying this isn't some new age [ __ ] that I'm trying to Pedal here what that key is is the fact that
you're there's something unique about you uh your your DNA is unique your brain is wired in a unique way they've done these really interesting studies on newborns B infants one month to six months and they've been able to show that at the extremely early age infants are already distinguishing between things that they like and don't like on very particular levels like foods and colors and sounds so when you were really really young you had what Aubrey calls and I call in the book Primal inclinations these there were things you were attracted to that are very very unique and distinctive about you it could be Sports it could be competing and winning it could be working with people and social situations it could be music whatever it is if you're able to stay true to that or ReDiscover it when you're older and mind what's unique about you in your tastes in your way of thinking in your whole Spirit you are going to [ __ ] succeed in this life you're going to create a business you're going to create a book some have a podcast that reflects your weirdness your uniqueness and people will come to you because it's true it's authentic and there's nothing else out there like it how do you do that how do you stay true to that how do you figure out what your life's task is as I call it how do you keep connected to those Primal inclinations that what that's what the book Mastery is about but you first have to be at least aware of what the the root of your possible success in life is and and I try to make the point that if you aren't pursuing something that's personally and emotionally connected to you you're never going to actually succeed in life if you go into law and you were meant to be a writer you might be able to [ __ ] your way for 10 years or so and be a pretty good lawyer but eventually because it's not something you were meant to do you're going to disconnect you're not going to be into it you're going to emotionally dis engage you're going to start drinking your hair's going to fall out you're going to start seeing hookers and getting on drugs wait a minute wait a minute you were good up until that point I lost you well because you're not pursuing what you were meant to pursue and your life's going to fall apart you're not going to ever so you're
going to have a good time with hookers and drugs well you can but it I see that was you're right I probably lost you there people are probably going that's what I really want Yeahs awesome the plan to Mastery is you become a lawyer you're really supposed to be a writer then you get hookers and drugs yes I think hookers and drugs are fun I'm confused all right no no I'm I'm just playing I I I fully see see what you're doing and I do think that that is a very important point that people do sabotage when they're unhappy and I find a lot of people that tend to work jobs they find very unrewarding to be uh exceptionally materialistic because they're trying to reward themselves with these material items and these material items become goals for plowing through another day doing this shitty job it's a it's a real dead end that's like one of the worst traps that people fall into now I have nothing against money I like making money um but the goal of your life when you're in your 20s for instance should be learning as much as possible developing skills in different areas and not worrying about how much money you're making giving yourself the freedom to make mistakes to explore to have some Adventures uh to try things out that don't quite work for you and then when you reach your 30s you've got all these skills and experiences and you're going to make that money eventually but the path to Mastery like you look at somebody like Steve Jobs you can hate him or you can like him you can think he's great or not but he ended up being one of the wealthiest men that ever existed in on our planet um he never thought about money he he never cared about it he lived in in a house that was hardly decorated he just you know just was never on his hierarchy of values to quote maslo there so if you if you're obsessed with money you're actually going to find all sorts of problems in life you're going to become hooked to that paycheck let's say you're 32 years old and suddenly you're downsized or you're fired from your job and you've been addicted to that $880,000 or $100,000 years that you've been getting now you don't have the mental freedom to take a job for half that price where you can now maybe start learning some skills and moving on and
really finding your way because you're addicted to all that luxury and the things to the ego that you have connected to that paycheck so money is one of the worst traps and the reason people get into that trap generally is because of their parents their parents tell them Johnny Susan I whatever your name is you got to make a living you got to you got to go get a job that's lucrative you got to become a doctor a lawyer you know you got to go to Yale and get this degree and go into the business school Etc and you're not listening to yourself you're listening to other people and their and their values you call that a counterforce in the book it's things that work against you to pushing work against you from finding what you call your vocation which is like what is going to make you the most happy in doing in being and when you're in your vocation versus just doing a work when you're in your vocation you're passionate about it you love what you're doing and so you're going to naturally be more inclined to be great at it because you're going to put way more energy way more passion into it I mean think about the the people who have achieved you know greatness and in any different field all the people we know you know even the the bow hunter he loves it you know he loves what he's doing yeah he's found success in doing it but he found his vocation and he's just stuck with it and so he's become a master but if he was trying to do some legal job or some accounting job he would suck at it probably well he actually has a date job which he [ __ ] hates and when he describes it he talks about dying there he feels like he's dying every day when he's at work yeah but yeah you're you're absolutely right um I is there is there a benefit in experiencing that resistance early in life so that you Ste you steal your resolve against it which resistance the resistance to do what you actually want to do I mean I feel like a big part of my motivation in life and the the the strength of my resistance to getting other people happy or to doing what other people wanted me to do was that I I was pressured in a way that I didn't towards a direction that I didn't want to go in was all this of course yeah I mean one of the things that like I would
hear all the time when I was starting out standup comedies my mom telling me that I wasn't funny my mom was like why are you doing this you're not funny like this is not a smart and I would like bite down on my mouthpiece and [ __ ] plow forward because of that because you know I didn't want I didn't want to hear that I didn't want to hear finish your college degree get a get a normal job stop being a dreamer I didn't want to hear that because I had heard it and it strengthen my resolve yeah very much so it's definitely a theme in the book I mean if if your path is too easy if you just fall out of the womb and suddenly you know this is what you were meant to do and at 18 you're doing it you're going to have other problems down the road it's good to have resistance it's good to have people's [ __ ] with you and saying you're not good at this Etc um I know for instance in my path to writing the 48 Laws of Power I kind of knew I wanted to be a writer but I went into forms of writing that didn't suit me I started off in journalism did that for several years and really kind of hated it and at one point an editor um had lunch with me and he he pointedly said Robert you're never going to be a good writer you just don't have the the chemistry for it you're just all over the place you're not disciplined maybe go to law school or something and that got me out of Journalism because I made me realize I really hate the [ __ ] who work there who was just got to stick up their butt and can't think about what real writing might be like I got of that and wandered around Europe and tried writing novels and all sorts of things that didn't work either and I tried Hollywood and I tried television that through that process I discovered what I loved when it came to the chance to do a book I suddenly the heavens blew open for me yeah a book I I have total control over it there are no [ __ ] telling me coming in like in Hollywood and changing everything that I write there's no writing for an article for one week that disappears I a book but it was only through this process of finding what I hated so when people come and tell me I don't know what my vocation is I don't know what it is I should be doing I often say well what is it that you hate what are those things
in life that you don't like what are those jobs that you've had that suck the life out of you they're going to they're sort of indications of maybe something that you should like you don't like working for large groups of people you should be an entrepreneur you should be working for yourself you're you're shaking your head you look very skeptical no no not at all I'm agreeing with you wholeheartedly the total opposite okay sorry I'm like no please go on no no I'm just yeah so I love it you got to have the resistance and the worst thing that happens are people who get successful at 25 and then think that they've got the golden touch and they don't realize that they don't have the Golden Touch that that maybe they were kind of Lucky and then they keep thinking that they have to repeat the same thing that they did let's say they became a comic at the age of 25 became hugely successful but they didn't have the resistance that that you had now they start not listening to their audience or to other people or to their mother who says they're not really that funny and they just think everything they do everything they should is just wonderful by the way that's very common very common that's a huge issue with Comics yeah a huge issue with Comics is they become successful then they start to suck it's a real issue like like with some of the greats I won't name names I think what happened to Woody Allen I mean he's older guy but you know I disagree with you there um cuz his movies some of his movies are [ __ ] brilliant man Blue Jasmine was great it was a great movie um Midnight in Paris was [ __ ] fantastic it was a really good movie I think he's just a crazy pervert I think that's the problem I think what we don't like to admit it but what fuels Woody Allen is he likes getting his dick sucked you know he likes he's a freak you go back and you ever seen Woody Allen's young standup when oh he was hilarious he was really good I thought he I thought he was much funnier back then than he is now oh he certainly is but he also wasn't exposed like you is now he isn't hated and vilified like he is now I mean he became a pariah I mean he became like a real freak yeah you know we were talking before the podcast um I was saying that
the sound of clicking I was putting something on Twitter and I was like I'm going to miss that if they ever get rid of that like the sound of clicking is like so uh I don't know rewarding to me or something like that Woody Allen does all of his typing all of his scripts old typewriter and the way he edits he takes pieces of paper and um if he changes a scene he'll print it on a piece of paper and then cut it and then staple it to the other thing or tape it to the other thing like he he's like so old school in his approach he uses the same typewriter that he's always used for everything yeah well it's probably because he's [ __ ] terrified to go on the internet if he Googles Woody Allen I mean is a I mean you know whoever you are Jesus is a first word is going to be [ __ ] you know if Jesus ever gets online and Googles his name but for Woody Allen I mean the [ __ ] hate and the vital that that guy must experience on a daily basis just looking people in the eyes at a restaurant must be like really pretty [ __ ] intense yeah I think that phenomenon that you're talking about with Comics it applies to pretty much everything athletes entrepreneurs because if you use this resistance of you're you know struggling trying to get to the top people telling you you're not going to make it you'll never be a champion you'll never you know start on the back basketball team you'll never do this and then once you get there and once you achieve that that kind of opposing force that allows you to bring out the best can can kind of go away it's why it's hard for teams to repeat championships you know and things like that it's it's an interesting phenomenon it's almost like you know you need this kind of heat and resistance to create the greatest out of yourself and when that goes you have to look elsewhere and find it in other things yeah you can't make steel Without fire mhm that's right I I have a story in the book of Freddy roach he was one of the Modern Masters that I interview fredd Freddy's amazing guy and the story of Freddy's really kind of a a model for Mastery in a way and basically uh I'll summarize it quickly his father was a fighter and he got all the his boys into boxing in the age of four they were already in a ring boxing away at the age of four and so from that age onward Freddy was boxing
on an amateur level and at one point in high school just like your mom his mom said him Freddy you're not really very good at boxing why are you doing this your brother is so much better than you and that got him really pissed so he went back into the gym and he started training twice as hard and he suddenly got better than his brother and not only he started getting really good got on the Olympic team became a professional I think around age of 18 or so and he had a boxing career as a professional for about eight years and he was good but he wasn't great he was kind of slow and he started taking a lot of punches and it had an effect on him and finally at the age of 26 people were saying Freddy you better retire something's really bad's going to happen and so he retires at the age of 26 and if you think about it for 22 years boxing was his whole life it's all he ever did and now it's finished it's over his career is over and it's just he's ready to go on a downward spiral to Suicide or something bad and he gets a job in Vegas as a telemarketer because he'd been living in Vegas and fighting and he's drinking heavily in in the day in the daytime because his job's at night and then he goes does his tele it's he's on a fast track to suicide and one day he decides to go back to the gym where he used to train under his old trainer Eddie futch and he's just watching the fighters there like he used to be trained and he decides hey I'm gonna maybe help this one guy out who's not getting any attention right now and in that moment he just he sort of realizes wow I like teaching like maybe this is what I was meant to be and he starts coming back every single day he's not getting paid the trainer isn't hiring him he comes on his own and he starts helping out the fighters and he slowly realizes that training is the ultimate job for him he loves competition he loves winning but he doesn't have to take a punch as the trainer he can in the training area with his large mitts but no punches to the head he can strategize he can win he can compete he can do all the Mind Games that he loves and he can give these years of experience the reason why I consider this a model is it took him a path where he sort of looked like he was going downhill where there was nothing left for him to do and suddenly
just a chance encounter made him realize what his real task in life was and all that experience that he had now could be apply to becoming the greatest trainer boxing trainer of our era and also a mixed martial arts trainer um and so people always say well you know I I can't make it I don't know what my path is I I I I don't I can't figure it out I'm too old Etc it's not a question of what age you are there you can always take the experiences and mistakes that you've had in life and if you still got some guts and you're not a whiner you can find a way to apply those skills in a new way that's going to be something that more engages you personally and emotionally cuz in fact he really wasn't meant to be a boxer his father had pushed him into it what he was meant to be was a teacher because he's [ __ ] brilliant at it so that's sort of like the model of the path that your is for you it's not all Rosy it's not all instantly finding you know the perfect job it requires some pain some defeat some loss some really tough moments and then it's going to click together as long as you don't give up here here and it is important to to experience the loss it's exp it's very important to feel the lows if you don't feel the lows you won't appreciate the highs people in this day and age they want instant coffee you know they they want instant gratification they want everything to come to them with very little work they want to win the lottery right you know and winning the lottery is probably the worst [ __ ] thing that could ever happen you as a human being I I think back I played the lottery once I want a free ticket I played again I lost I'm done that was it I never played the loty again I'm the same way but what if I [ __ ] won man what if I won $100 million when I was 21 I would be the biggest [ __ ] loser of all time now I I probably would I the money would be gone I'd be suicidal because I blew through $100 million but it's what happens there's a reason why so many lottery winners burn through that money and it's because you don't know what it is you didn't earn it it's it's not yours it's crazy what you've done is you found a weakness in the system you've exploited it because the system is designed to steal money from people and get those dummies to spend all this
money on a [ __ ] lottery ticket it's it's legalized gambling and the state profits from it not just once but twice because they don't just take the money your tax dollars okay the money that you've after you spent all your money on taxes and all that just what you've got left over then you buy a lottery ticket well guess what all that money goes into a pool the government takes a piece of it always and then when you get paid they take half of that they [ __ ] you every way coming and going and you get all that money and you still blow it you still blow it you can't keep it almost no one does you G have a million other [ __ ] parasites trying to steal it from you and because they know you don't deserve it it's it's a a mad mad Pursuit the way you appreciate money whether it's a dollar a million dollars is when you earn it you work hard you experience the loss you go through the trials and tribulations and then you get it when I look back at my path I'll just say real quick when I look back at my path you know I've I got out of school and I didn't know what the hell I was going to do and already felt terrible I had some idea that I was already going to be in my vocation doing something great by the time I finished College well that didn't happen you know I was successful in a variety of different things I kept trying but not really nothing that I could really hang my hat on so I was really I and antsy and and I kept trying things I started a marketing company I sold fake vaginas I worked for a pharmaceutical company I went wa wait wait wait wait FL yeah Fleshlight the largest fake vagina company this is a tangent we don't need to go down vagina for what for [ __ ] [ __ ] stick your penis in them feels better than and I was you know and I was working with oil and gas companies but every single thing it was like the universe came and just bashed me on the head something didn't work out you know I'd even get options in this company that was going to strike you know they were fracking some gas or something like that I didn't really understand it at that point but if that would have been successful and worked I would have made a huge amount of money and that would have deterred me from this path I am now which now I truly feel I'm in my vocation but if I look back all of these things that I was
fighting for for Success if they would have come and they would have come lucratively they might have deterred me from what my real vocation is so all of these things all these bashes on the head like the universe taking a [ __ ] hand and saying whack not going to work has kind of led me in this weird path to actually doing something that I truly now feel is my vocation but you those things are blessings those failures yeah I mean I think eventually you would have found your way because just who you are maybe so like maybe it would it's easy for say when to say when someone's successful I know that's like the secret I know I know my issue with the secret is they only talk to the ones who it worked like I was hanging out at The Comedy Store once and my friend Kelly Kirsten very funny stand-up comic had a friend that came with her to the comedy show she seemed like a very nice person and um she was talking about the secret and this is the first time I met her and she was going on about you know I'm going to have this and I'm going to have that and because I discovered the secret and you know that movie where it tells you to manifest your own destiny with your imagination you can make things happen she had decided that because she had this belief in this system this this secret thing that she was going to somehow or another be super successful and find the man of her dreams and be rich Beyond her wildest imagination then I ran into her many years later she came to another comedy show that I had uh at the UCB and I remember she she was very nice so I I was talking to her I was like hey how you doing I hadn't I talked to her once then I talked to her twice these are the only two times I ever had interaction with this woman she seemed very nice but I'm talking to her and she's like I don't know why it's not working it's like I'm I'm my relationships are terrible can't cut myself off of these uh bad relationships my father is always wants money from me and he's always broke and he drinks and it's like she had she's like I thought that I was going to be able to you know create my own life and it's just not working and the secret when you watch those [ __ ] shows it's only the people that succeeded they're like I drew a picture of the house that I wanted and 10 years later I'm living in that house
I set a goal my goal was $10 million I have $10 million the secret is real well there's a person out there that drew a picture of a [ __ ] Castle on the moon and they're still in Pasadena they're like where's my [ __ ] Castle on the moon you ain't getting there [ __ ] okay it's not that simple and when you you're you're dealing with a a very biased profile you're only talking to the people that are successful yeah well I mean one of the things in the laws of human nature coming up is the this idea that if there's something um that's easy uh that someone's trying to Pedal um it's it's a deception it's a con game we want to believe we humans want to believe in something quick and easy and simple and if we believe in something that means it can't really be real if we believe it because of that um in other words we want to believe that we can that God will grace us with you know if we do perform certain rituals or that we can make a lot of money by just following the secret the truth of the matter is that to get really successful to make money that lasts it takes hours it takes 10,000 hours it takes 20,000 hours it takes a lot of work tedious work drudgery boredom moments of challenge defeat that's the reality so anybody that's trying to tell you that that is is not the case that there are shortcuts they're con artists okay that's just pure and simple they're con artists and one thing I'm trying to tell show in the in in Mastery is that we humans are geared towards pleasure we don't want to do things that are naturally painful we are immediately attracted to things that offer us some kind of pleasure or reward and the problem is too many things nowadays offer Pleasures that are immediate instant rewards um you know a movie or a video game or something like that or a drug where without much effort we get a feeling of relaxation pleasure and what I'm trying to show in Mastery is that there's a a different kind of pleasure that you want to train your body towards um aiming at and that's a pleasure that comes from conquering yourself from learning something deeply as you're taking up or you've been doing um archery for some time it's probably not too satisfying the first few days that you were doing it or first few weeks it was a challenge there wasn't much
creativity involved Etc but if you keep doing this for 5 years 10 years suddenly you reach a level of pleasure that no video game could ever ever begin to supply you and I want to reorient your whole value system towards this other kind of pleasure that comes from conquering your yourself getting discipline getting skilled at something becoming really good at it and feeling incredible a sense of fulfillment as opposed to all those immediate rushes that our culture tries to Pedal that's such a huge point for satisfaction in life I feel most relaxed after I've worked out really hard yeah and not just physically because I've blown off all this steam but because I did it you know I'm I'm a big fan of being uncomfortable and I tell that to people and like what are you talking about like look nobody likes sleeping in more than me I mean maybe you do but I doubt it I love it I love sleeping in but I don't do it okay I get up I get up when I have to get up unless I can you know did all my [ __ ] but my point is in when I have something that I have to do when I do it if I don't want to do it it feels even better once I've done it yeah really and that's that's the fan that's the fan of being uncomfortable that I I like that feeling I like that feeling because that feeling has shaped me it's rewarded me it's one of the reasons why I pursue so many things that I've never done before why I got into archery why why I'm enjoying it why I'm enjoying it cuz I [ __ ] suck at it you know I like sucking at something cuz you suck at it and now I don't suck at it as much as I did three week three months ago whatever the hell it is when I first bought a bow I'm better at it now for sure I put pictures online of my my [ __ ] my my uh patterns that I can hit my um the U you know arrows in in the Bull's eyes and [ __ ] cuz I want to reinforce that in my head to keep doing that the and also there's a discipline involved in something that's very difficult to do that requires all of your concentration that clears mind and I think that that's you can get that in gardening you know you can get that on running up hills whatever it is when you're running up hills you're not thinking about too much other [ __ ] when you're absolutely exhausted and your heart's pounded in your chest you know
you've got 300 yards to go and you don't think you can make it there's there's a there's a a beauty in that yeah you're talking a lot about Zen philosophy almost too as well is using some modality of movement which is often it is or anything to find a a sort of presence of mind you know returning to that state of openness of Consciousness and you know archery is one of those main channels Zen In The Art of archery is a great book I've read that and uh you know you you work for these moments they call it Satori where it's these moments where you have this really mindless shot that you take in archery and everything is just completely in the moment and I think the Masters have found a way to duplicate that more you know more often more they they have a almost a formula that can allow them to get these moments where they're really in the zone as you would call it or flow they call Flow yeah get in these flow states which is really you know hearkening back to that old zen philosophy of being of no mind well that is the the experience that best describes martial arts at its best as well when you're fighting when you're competing especially if there's anything on your mind anything else besides the the task at hand besides dealing with the other skilled person you're you're going to be diminished you will be diminished your skills will be diminished your mind will be diminished it's one of the reasons why so many people talk trash they talk trash to fill your mind up with other tasks they fill your mind up with insecurity and doubt or anger which is just as bad fill your mind up with all those emotions you might be able to win with anger if you're fighting a less than skilled opponent but if you fight a real master and you have anger you're going to make mistakes you're going to open yourself up you're going to fight with that anger and in fighting with that anger you're going to expose yourself you're not going to fight with perfect strategy unless you're Mike Tyson versus Michael Spinx where Spinx is [ __ ] no matter what he does Tyson could come into that fight on cocaine angry didn't matter he's going to kill you because he's just so much better unless that but when you have two Mike Tyson's you know what you get you get Mike Tyson versus Vander
Holyfield you get a guy who's fighting with Purity and a guy who's going to beat your [ __ ] ass you're not going to take him out of there with one big rush in the first round and you know you're going to wind up getting knocked the [ __ ] out and that's what happened to Holy to Tyson when he fought Holyfield he fought a real master he fought a master when he wasn't a master anymore yeah this U I didn't include him in the in Mastery I'm going to include him in my next book but I was reading Phil Jackson's most recent book and he you know Zend Master himself and he discovered um then dealing with all these incredible egos on a team as he did with the bulls and later with the Lakers that if he tried to get them all wired up before a game and emotional which is what a lot of coaches would do yeah we're going to rip the guts out of them let's go just kill the Lakers whatever that they would play much worse so his job was to embi in them incredible peacefulness and calmness and they would meditate before a game which no over Coach ever did before and he wanted them completely to be mindful in the game so that they could focus on the task and not use all that anger to to push them and some players could use the anger a little bit but most people like Dennis robman it would make them do all sorts of terrible mistakes and look at the results you know there's no coach who's had more championships or more success than someone like Phil Jackson but the thing that I try and show in Mastery because I have a story of a great zen master man named hakuin uh because I've myself practice uh Zen meditation have been for many years this man this was in 17th century 18th century Japan he was reacting against all the Zen practices that were going on in Japan that were trying to promise you Enlightenment through something very simple all you had to do was sit in what's called zaz and seated meditation and Enlightenment would come to you and he said this is such [ __ ] I hate this this isn't the way to MK to Enlightenment they've gotten away from the true essence of Zen you have to have pain you have to go through 10 20 30 years of torture doubt Misery the Zen master hitting you over ahead with that stupid stick every time he saw that you weren't concentrating and then you would
be enlightened and so I'm trying to show you even if it's Enlightenment which seems like the the most UN material thing you could think of requires the same process of going through a practice of having pain of having resistance of having a teacher tell you that you're [ __ ] up you're wrong hitting you on the head on and on it's a and life is the greatest teacher of all life will hit you on the head it will if you don't have any teacher with an actual stick you better believe that you know life itself will handle that finish yeah no I mean the what I try and say is I'm grounding you in what the human brain was evolved for because our brains AR weren't wired for iPods and iPhones and Twitter they were wired over hundreds of thousands of years of hunting of dealing with extremely radical dangerous situations in which at the one moment if we're not careful a leopard will come and eat us and early humans were being eaten quite often by uh you know large cats um very dangerous environment in which your awareness your focus your ability to understand your environment as if it were on your fingertips to know every square foot of that very dangerous African savannah that you're on that's what the brain was wired for Focus seeing something deeply understanding your environment not being distracted here and there and looking over there that's not how the brain was evolved so all of these disciplines from boxing to Zen Enlightenment to archery to music to whatever they're all connected with the same brain process that we all have to go through in order to reach this point where we've mastered our environment whatever that might be your work in meditation what what type of you said Zen meditation what type of Zen meditation do you practice well I've done mostly what's called renai there's Soo and renai I used to go to a place where I was trained and now I do it on my own what's the difference between the two schools of thought one of them is is more a passive process where you're just sitting there trying to completely empty your mind and that's sort of the easier slightly easier path and the concept is if you're able to reach a state where you're not thinking at all and you've emptied your mind Enlightenment will come to you the other school is more active you can't it's not just so
passive you just can't empty your mind you have to do something else and that something else is I'm simplifying it mind you here but that's something else is is more disciplined and going through learning these various co-and uh for instance the most famous Coen is these are usually a series of questions the sound of one hand clapping but the one that that I've used for years is the question is does the dog have Buddha nature and the answer from the Zen master is Moo Moo meaning no but it's means more than no it means like nothing just nothingness and it's the most powerful Zen Coan ever written if you ever try and think about it deeply you will reach Enlightenment the different school of thought is you meditate on that Coan almost like a mantra and you try and figure it out until it opens up a gate in your head um that's a simplified version of the two different types so the idea being that this Preposterous question becomes sort of uh a pattern that your thoughts go into and you become empty because this this pattern becomes you you say it over and over and over and over again you recite it you think about it over and over again until you you reach a state of mind until you it's becomes so absurd that the words fall off of you Zen is trying to teach you something that's wordless we're so in language and words and thinking uh that that's it separates us from our natural state of no of original mind of the non-thinking mind I know that sounds a strange idea but um so through words you're going to realize the absurdity of words that they're not they're disconnecting you from reality and so at that point you realize that moo means everything there's absolutely nothing real in this universe that can be encompassed by a word my talking about it here is absolutely completely counterproductive and and and ridiculous because people are going to think oh I'll just repeat the word moo over and over again no it takes months of of thinking very deeply about this is trying to cut you off from that chatter in your head from from thinking constantly linguistically about it's it's a total physical form of Enlightenment Zen it's it's the most physical form of Enlightenment you could reach I keep getting reminded of you
know that Bill Bradley story that you told you know and kind of repeating the same thing Bill Bradley was he was a terrible basketball player at the start big gangly slow not not terrible but he wasn't good but he had the most Relentless pursuit of improvement of anybody that I've ever read you can probably pick up the story but he you know just dribbling the ball you know constantly 8 hours 9 hours a day you know again over and over and over again and that kind of repetition you know it's it's all part of this same pattern of doing the same thing over and over again well I'm glad you bring up he's a he's a great story it's kind of another like Freddy roach type thing you take this he's a white guy who happens to be tall but he loves basketball he's like nine years old and I know this myself because I love basketball when I was a kid just the sound of the ball swishing through the net he just loved that that s of the the sound of that the feel of it so he had the sort of visceral love of the game but he's stunk at it he was tall awkward slow there's no way he'd become good at it so he decided he was going to train himself from a very early age and I call it um you know they have a concept in called deliberate practice where you learn to practice what you're not good at because we often if we're taking up archery or basketball we find something that we're good at and we tend to just repeat that and then our practice becomes very one-sided deliberate practi is to practice on what you're not good at I call it resistance practice actually practicing at what is painful in enjoying the pain and that's Bill Bradley he put these special glasses on his head that prevented him from looking down so he could he would dribble on a court for 10 hours or not 10 hours three or four hours and he couldn't look down at his feet which trained him to dribble that's the worst thing you if you're always looking down you're not able to see what what's going on on the court so he did he did that he went on a cruise with his parents across to to England and he didn't he wanted to be able to practice there he brought his basketball and below deck there were these incredibly long alleys that would go from one end of the ship to the other that were very narrow he would put on his special glasses and he would dribble
back and forth in this narrow area so that he could dribble with absolute complete control he devised all of these other exercises where he could train himself to see almost behind himself or at least way over to the side on and on and on until he became so good that by the time he got into college at Princeton and then later he played for the New York Knicks in the 70s with all the great championship teams people would look at Bill browley and they go my God this guy is is a born he was born with a basketball in his hand he's naturally gifted He Is So Graceful he has eyes in the back of his head he can make a a pass to Walt Frasier without even looking they didn't realize that he had gone through the most insanely rigorous painful deliberate form of practice ever invented by a single H athlete um at a very early age um and it made you know it made the game fun for him it was sure it was a lot of pain but by the time he got good and he was in high school all the girls were admiring him you know he got invited to go to Princeton I mean it paid off and he got a huge level of pleasure and the game became incredibly fun but it was all based on these insane moments and periods of of pain that he put himself through that's a beautiful story God I love that story that's amazing that's such a huge lesson for young people coming up to learn and hear to instill that into your mind and to to use that as a template yeah particularly nowadays when you're just so inundated with immediate pleasures and so many young people are disconnected from what I call you know the the the pattern that our brains were built for if you're going against that pattern and trying to get things quickly or immediately you're just going to fail you're just going to be a loser in life there's no you can't you in your short life can't suddenly move against two million three million years of evolution I'm sorry it's just can't be done that's a beautiful statement man that that's so that what you said is so important and that that story The Bill Bradley story is such a powerful story because anyone can do that with whatever you're you're trying to do exactly I mean he just happened to be born tall so if he hadn't ended up being six foot six or seven he wouldn't know but that's all he had what about
Mugsy boges was 5'6 he was a great basketball player there's plenty of examples of people that they physically weren't built for I mean Mike Tyson was one of the smallest heavyweight champions of that modern era you know he was 5' 10 he you know he weighed 215 pounds and his Prime you know look go back to Primo carero who was a heavyweight champion in the [ __ ] 20s or 30s or whatever the hell it was he was like 300 lb you know I mean Mike Tyson's in my opinion the greatest heavyweight of all time and he wasn't that big wasn't a big guy you know and the the the cool part is that ultimately you know we've talked about it before any master that you meet they're generally a real true pleasure to be around you know they've worked through all of these [ __ ] egoistic attitudes that they may carry along and it's through this almost overc this physical resistance in the very art of the Mastery that they're doing doesn't matter pingpong bow hunting comedy um what basketball whatever it is you reach a certain place by pushing through that pain and going through those hours and doing those things that almost tempers your spirit as the as the main thing that's happening and it just the skill kind of comes along with it though you're focused on the skill sometimes not though unfortunately sometimes focusing on that skill becomes to the detriment of all other aspects of your life and there are people that achieve Mastery in very specific things that are [ __ ] total [ __ ] ta Cobb great example was you know a famous [ __ ] you know I mean there there's a lot of people Mike Tyson in his prime you know went to jail for rape there was a lot of I mean I don't think he did it he says he didn't do it and he's really honest about pretty much everything else in his life yeah but the point being you know he was a wild crazy [ __ ] and that was one of the reasons why he was being successful there are very many examples of people who become so selective in what they're trying to do and so obsessed and focused to the detriment of personal relationships to the detriment of their own oh for sure personality I mean Steve Jobs would definitely fall under that category it doesn't have to be that way though you it doesn't have to be that way and then I always say um
even with Tai Cobb or Steve Jobs they were probably miserable to be around but he he had a pretty hugely satisfying life maybe I don't know know man I don't know that guy no I don't know well I think it kind of goes to your I'm G use the bathroom real quick please it goes to kind of one of your final points which is on that path to Mastery the final level is Building Bridges Back To Nature back to different making other connections you know so if you stay too focused in that one thing and never look to build a bridge to anything else you can probably result in some of these issues yeah I mean for those who don't know the book essentially I've laid out kind of five or six steps towards this ultimate form of Mastery it's like a path and it involves first discovering who you are what you were meant to do then going through what I call the an apprenticeship in which you develop all of the proper skills so that later in life you have like a real firm basis for becoming creative and part of that apprenticeship involves working with mentors and Masters and it also involves learning how to work with other people and deal with their weirdness and their political games and then showing you then how it you reach the creative level and then the Mastery level and it's a loose path it's not like a straight line uh but I'm sort of showing you the various steps that get you there and as Aubrey points out um particularly nowadays it involves a kind of a well-roundedness um you're not just some as Asbergers guy in Silicon Valley who's at logarithms and creating the ultimate you know Facebook or whatever you also have to have social skills and I have a whole chapter in Mastery on social intelligence you have to learn how to deal with people you have to be socially fluid you have to know how to be empathetic how to understand what other people's feelings are how to handle the the [ __ ] that will inevitably cross your path so some of the people that that Joe's talking about who are a little bit one ided they've kind of bypassed some of these other things that I'm talking about because I'm trying to get you to that well-rounded form of Mastery which is true Mastery Mastery over your whole life not just a specific Tas very much
so yeah do you you were talking a lot about meditation you ever spend any time in an isolation tank I have do you do you do it on a regular basis no um when I was living in New York years ago as a journalist um they asked me to write an article about isolation tanks this was when they were just starting out early 80s oh they were around before that they were but they became a recreational thing in the early 80s yeah they were around as a CIA experiment and but people no John Lily the guy who but but for the general public it really became like a fad in the early 80s uh so I I I was asked to cover and I got kind of hooked and I did it for for a while I haven't done it since then but it was quite it's a great experience I think that was because the movie Altered States yes when did that movie come out because that was how I found out about it as well you're right 81 no 1980 80 alter states exactly yeah that's isn't it funny how a movie can just uh start a trend like that yeah um I found out about Altered States when I was in high school I watched the movie in high school or right after uh it came out uh maybe I actually saw it in junior high cuz it was 80 I wasn't in high school yet but uh I got into isolation tanks when I first came to California because uh they had them here and I never knew that there was a place where you could get into one and uh um through through talking about it on the podcast the the entire industry has got this massive bump now and there's isolation tank centers opening up all over the world that credit me talking about it on the podcast and YouTube videos that I talk about it I have one in my basement oh man fantastic and um I think it's how often do you do it all the time I think I was in yesterday I think it's the most important tool actually yesterday not I'm lying day before yesterday go yesterday I think it's the most important tool that I've ever discovered for Med in it at least an hour I think an hour is the right amount of time is there somebody that like wakes you up and gets you out no I have a timer I set a timer um if I have to but sometimes I'll go in there if I don't have a time limit sense of time you have no idea what an hour is um kind of yeah maybe I don't know my my brain seems to know
when 2 hours is two hours seems pretty standard for me like if I if I don't have any time constraints 2 hours seems to be what I really depending on whether or not I'm sober or not when I go into it never drunk but marijuana is usually the uh intoxicant of choice uh uh especially edible marijuana which provides a much more hallucinogenic effect yeah yeah I think it enhances the experience of the Psychedelic state in inside the tank you don't freak out or anything I like freaking out I like freaking out I think freaking out's important I'm a big fan of freaking out because then much like you know the the stress of exercise or discipline through the experience of complete freaking out you there's lessons to be learned confront your demons and stuff yeah the Psychedelic state that you can achieve inside an isolation tank on edible marijuana is pretty [ __ ] pretty [ __ ] intense wow but um it's just the that environment for meditation I mean there's no better environment ever created for meditation in fact it's the only environment like it on Earth you're successful man how come you don't have one of those I don't have a basement but does you don't need a basement well I don't know where my girlfriend would want at in our house T [ __ ] get a new one um get a new girlfriend moving on um uh she tried to keep you from having an isolation tank what she trying to do keep you from Enlightenment yeah all right I'll try that onor um but Zen meditation the artist come on man you're talking about your own laws you're violating them right now by saying that did your girlfriend tell you what kind of car you can drive to no no but sometimes you got to give in to the other person you know relationship's a little bit about compromise not if it's about an isolation tag it's not no you're right you're right no [ __ ] reason oh I'm sorry sorry beating you over the head with your own work um that's all right everybody does that um but Zen meditation is sort of like the the isolation tank because the point of it is is to cut off all stimuli and you're not you don't have to rely on this environment that you're putting yourself into so your eyes are are open when you're
meditating um but you're not looking at anything and you're not getting in any stimuli at all so you're not hearing anything I mean there can be sounds outside but you're not paying attention to them and you enter the state that's similar to what the isolation tank is I can enter a state like the isolation tank without the isolation tank because I cut off all stimuli and I enter my own mental space and incredible things can happen so you just ignore the stimuli until the point where it's not reaching the mind is that the idea behind it it's training it's years of meditation where you're not good at it and still to this day thoughts invade your head which probably don't so much well they do when you're in an isolation tank of course they do um but at if you go it's called somadi and somadi is the state where you're the samat tanks or yeah that's the the name of the company right that's right I remember that tanks I remember that well somat is kind of mindless state or that's not exactly the word but there's you're you're there's no thinking going on and it's just incredibly euphoric you can reach that through meditation but it maybe after 20 minutes or 25 minutes you get to that state but you're cutting off all stimuli that's one of the reasons they founded yoga was to make it so that there was less stimuli coming from your seated ass you know and and the the way that you're legs were folded when you're meditating because all of that noise that an isolation tank filters out and I love I love the tank it's most effective for me but you know they would do yoga so that they could sit in that pose and have less of that stimuli yelling for longer so they could reach those States in which they could find that but I I also personally find that yoga releases some form of psychedelic chemicals in the mind it's its own practice I've gotten high like legitimately high from yoga to the point where not I I want to say intoxicated like I'm like diminished in some way or affected like I can't form sentences or anything like that but L like I feel like a chemical effect or a biological effect some sort of a real tangible effect from yoga definitely which I I've always wondered I mean my thought process was why would these people do all this for so long like what why would they have this practice for
thousands of years unless there was something to it and there's something to it I I do a lot of swimming and I find swimming the absolute absolute ultimate form of exercise because there's nothing there's no stimuli I mean you're not sitting there thinking about the water anymore and your brain just zones out and if you do long distance swimming you can reach very interesting Alpha States yeah I agree I I find it incredibly um not just beautiful in that sense where you you achieve States but it's really taxing like it's really hard to swim like most people think of swimming as like a recreational activity like I do a lot of swimming with my kids and we play around but when I do laps like [ __ ] it's [ __ ] hard swimming is hard to do man you look at a dude like Michael Phelps that's a bad man you know that guy has achieved this incredible ability to move through the water like a [ __ ] fish that's not easy that that is a real legit difficult accomplishment y i I like the pain the mental pain involv in swimming cuz I like to swim long distances where you're like sh I just can't do this anymore it's so boring and it's so painful and I'm just you know I'm going to drown or I can't I'm taking you know whatever and then you just push past that and you swim like two miles and you get out oh man what a great feeling so what you just do laps in the pool over and over and over again yeah you're not one of those crazy [ __ ] that gets in the ocean are you I would love to but uh I live not close to the ocean and it's cold and polluted if I lived in Hawaii I'd be swimming in the ocean get radioactive and the [ __ ] coming from Japan you're right right say if I lived in the Yucatan I'd be swimming in ah there you go that's it that's the spot the long ocean swims move to the yukatan that is a beautiful patch of water though by the way Tulum you ever been to Tulum no I've been to chichin oh chichin yeah it's amazing yeah incredible yeah that's a freaky spot you know being around those uh ancient ruins is one of the most bizarre moments I think I've ever had just walking around knowing that people were playing football with human heads where I was standing this a scant 1500 plus years ago or whatever it was um so this uh these these Altered States that uh you achieve with Zen meditation um do you do you find them to
be psychedelic do you find like that you can like hallucinate do you well they you're not supposed to that's not the goal they have this word called Mao which means a demon and what it means is after a certain point of in in meditation demons start appearing in your brain where you've cut out all sensory stimuli and suddenly images start coming up that are just weird and random and somewhat frightening uh and I that happens to me all the time like you almost are like in a dream state you know how in dreams their thoughts and and images that seem so random and sometimes scary by how random they are you're consciously getting that in your head as you're entering deeper and deeper into this state but you're trying to push past that you're trying to push to the state where there's nothing coming in at all and you kind of transcend the the sort of thinking state that you're constantly in can't really put it in words I don't even want to try and put it in words so you're the the goal isn't really to have these Vivid hallucinations but they happen and they're very interesting that's fasinating though that it's thought to be demons yeah in in the traditional Zen form they that's what they call them um and uh I know that um they have in Japanese iconography these very frightening looking demon-like figures and then they do actually have a concept of Hell uh in in Japanese culture that came into Zen Buddhism and I know hakuin talks about these very Vivid images of demons that he had when he was a child that kind of he was so afraid of them that he decided he had to get into Buddhism and Zen to overcome them so I don't know exactly I'm not going to be hallucinating these Japanese demons that were probably very much in their minds and in their culture uh but if you you know it's interesting this is a to I don't know how far we're getting away from things here but no there's no getting away okay there's this concept in ancient times there's a great book called the bamal mind I don't know if you're familiar I've heard of it I've never read it though the idea is in this book is that for ancient people Consciousness was almost like a voice in their head and it flipped them out and they couldn't understand it they were
constantly like on drugs hearing their own thoughts and that's why they had to project it onto gods and demons and other things that are out there in the world but literally hearing their own thoughts was almost like a continual trip for them it's hard for us to imagine because we're so used to the chatter in our minds but originally according to this man this was how they experienced Consciousness was this in the early days of language is that this is a fairly recent phenomenon is that what the idea behind it is yeah I think 6,000 7,000 10,000 BC it's a I can't remember the writer's named Julian something or his last name is Julian great book um but if you read books like about Buddhism uh which I do voraciously uh the history of it uh early people in meditation and early adherence to Buddhism were constantly talking about that chatter in their mind as if it were hell it was like hearing this noise of thoughts was just awful it it was claustrophobic and frightening and they had to get into meditation and Buddhism just to calm the Mind down and not hear that voice in their heads now this is a totally alien notion to us because we're so used to it it's almost not a good thing that we're so used to it um but I think that that's sort of the idea of the Demons constantly hearing this voice these things in your head that aren't you're not willing them you know like you're not willing these thoughts that are constantly coming up into your mind where are they coming from there's a great Zen Coen called who is the master who where are your thoughts coming from who is the master calling up these thoughts in your head particularly in your dreams or particularly when you're not when you're maybe tired and suddenly this image comes up you're not calling it up well where is it coming from that's where I think this idea of demons is is connected this reminds me a lot of going through a psychedelic experience like iwasa in in that path you reach this very visual point in the experience yeah which is generally it can either be incredibly beautiful or it can be incredibly hellish like me example of what well incredibly hellish for example I'm I'm I have different spiders going inside of me and laying eggs and exploding and bugs are coming out of me there's eels coming inside eating
through my intestines and goinging eating all my organs coming out I'm sliding naked through a v down a Vine of thorns it's ripping up my flesh these are all images that happen in in an iasa trip or incredibly beautiful the most beautiful colors you've ever seen the most beautiful lights images things and you know I get a lot of people asking me about these trips and for them that is you know who haven't done it very much they focus very much on those Visions yeah but those Visions are almost like the fireworks and the chatter to what's going to come after and what comes after is this kind of Oneness with your thoughts and your your highest Consciousness in your highest being that is past all that and maybe that brings up resistances things you can overcome maybe it helps you with some thoughts but the real value of it in iasa or DMT or any kind of psychedelic is that period after where these demon or these Visions everything goes away and to me that's the real end goal that's the real gem well that's really similar to the Zen meditation because you're going through let's say I meditate for 35 40 minutes the first 25 I'm having those demons I'm hearing my thoughts I'm trying to get over them and then I finally reach that state only lasts for 15 minutes oh it's the best state at also it's kind of a similar process that's it yeah so it's not so much about the Visions it's about what happens after the Visions which seems to me very much like what you're saying yeah that that state after very difficult yoga sessions it's it doesn't last very long but there's a period of intense relaxation and Enlightenment that you achieve where you kind of have a better perspective of things but it only comes through this very difficult work of the hour and a half of yoga that you have to do to get to that spot that's right and if you half acid anywhere along the way you don't reach that spot I don't reach that spot every time you know I reach it a lot but I don't reach it every time yeah it's it's very tricky isn't it mhm yeah you never know and like you I don't know if it's the same with archery or the things that you do like that but when you start the meditation you bring a mood and it's never the same someday for no reason it just falls into place and some days you don't know why this
anxiety is gnawing on your inside you never can figure out what you bring to it it's interesting it really is um do you have a very rigid schedule when it comes comes to your meditation and your your discipline like how do you structure your days you're obviously self-employed you know you're a writer so do you do you have a structure like I must write for this amount of time I must meditate like how do you how do you do it no I every morning I wake up and I meditate uh for 35 minutes um and nothing will stop me if I'm sick or even if I'm traveling or whatever every day um do you sit a par particular way I have a the the proper pillows um and I have a little place and I have a little clock that goes off with bells um and I sit in the Lotus position until my legs are like screaming you can do that you can pull your legs up in the right spot yeah it's hard to do huh I've been doing it for many many years but then I recently broke my foot and I couldn't do it for about three months so now I'm fine and I can do it so I'm back to having some pain again uh but the pain is good as we all know um and then I uh then I I'm not usually writing because my books require so much research so right now I'm in a research period where I'm reading voraciously books about human nature psychology Etc and then in about a year I'm going to start writing and then I go on to kind of a different routine where I'm uh I'm a little more crazed and hard to be around that's fascinating so you you research for a full year before you write yeah um do you discipline the research aspect of it oh man I'm so disciplined it's probably bordering on OCD um I read you know three 400 books and I read them I don't skim them and then I go back and I do these note cards and it's the note cards that's excruciating that's like the Bill Bradley part I put every book onto maybe 10 20 30 cards depending on how good a book it is and at the end I'll have two 3,000 cards and I can handwritten handwritten and I can take these cards and move them around and they and the book is created out of the cards so the cards are the beneficial aspects of whatever book you're reading or what strikes you or but I'm able to break a book down that could be chaotic so for instance for this new book uh I happen
to love anich a lot I've never loved him since I was a kid the Uber Munch The Uber mench this is a book about the Uber MCH my next book and there's a book that I've read for him uh an early book called human all to human it's just the most amazing book but it's chaotic it's all over the place he's got all these aphorisms and these thoughts and it's just like entering a a rat's maze I with my cards can organize all of his ideas and all of his thoughts and bring some order and show you the amazing Pearls of Wisdom this guy has gleaned out of his mad syphilitic brain do he have syphilis oh yeah yeah he went mad at the age of like 44 and spent his last eight years and basically too much [ __ ] huh no crazy well he probably not enough [ __ ] really so he got syphilis [ __ ] he got he probably went to a prostitute when he was in the Prussian war and then got syphilis and then he he didn't get late enough that was certainly probably his problem that was why he was obsessed with the Uber match uh syphilis is probably why he got obsessed with it probably not the the not getting laid what did they do back in those days when you had syphilis there was no cure right yeah give you an apple or something like that on your way that was before penicillin right yeah yeah nothing much to do I think some some people were smart enough to start you know trying silver I think silver had some use in some of these things but it's not very effective not like not like an antibiotic yeah it's uh fascinating because I was trying to explain to my kids the plague uh because we were reading a book and uh my 5-year-old and my three-year-old were sitting in bed reading before bedtime and the story involved the plague a plague upon you was one of the lines and and uh you know they were like what's a plague I'm like that's some [ __ ] before doctors when they didn't really have doctors when all doctors could do was like cut off broken limbs they uh they had diseases that would kill giant chunks of people and my kids are like what the [ __ ] I'm like yeah not that long ago by the way they wrote about it so they had language and yep you know it's we what we're talking about earlier about the evolution of civilization and the amount of time the very brief window between us and when we were animals yeah
in relationship to the the length of time that things have been alive on Earth it's God small we're going through the most crazy and chaotic time pretty much ever when the the wheel you know description that McKenna used to use about the exponential growth of Technology was about sending a a ball around the top of a funnel and then it takes a long time to get around the top but that we're somewhere towards the bottom of the funnel now where that [ __ ] thing is going around the tunnel going around the funnel so quickly it's just it's hard for us to really wrap our heads around but when we talk to Children about it when I talk to Children about it it really sends it home when I try to describe to my kids what what a [ __ ] plague is you know yeah yeah yeah and I I just I just remind reminded myself of when you read actual accounts of the true Pirates like Blackbeard and things like that one of the things that they would barter with for the most like when they were making deals with uh you the British ships or different things and striking deals was veneral disease medicine like syphilis medicine like it'd be like we'll give you all the gold but you have to bring over a chest of of medicine to cure the feral dises I think that was a probably a much bigger problem in ancient history than not well not completely ancient but in past civilization than we give it credit I me the first veneral disease I don't know I have no idea what a [ __ ] dirty trick you know I mean think about how few diseases kill you that you catch just walking around like the flu but you know I think it might be Nature's Way to keep the population down a little bit most likely right I mean it seems like what's going on there's always a battle right just like we were talking about the battle between discipline and success the battle between being uncomfortable and doing things that are hard to do and the reaping the rewards of that yeah there seems to be a battle nature of trying to [ __ ] kill us so we get stronger you know I mean we don't like to think that but it's been directly proven that many plagues and many diseases the certain traits have risen through those through those diseases which have made the human race actually stronger although they
say um our crom magnon ancestors for instance lived longer than we do really yeah I've never heard that wow that's amazing and I thought they died at like 12 um I mean I know in the Bible but who believes the Bible oh 600 years from Moses died at the age of 193 yeah that's a little shaky I I know it is they didn't know what a year was back then though they were just making [ __ ] up the calendar sucks it's written on a rock I mean that you can't really yeah that's there's a lot of [ __ ] in the Bible it's [ __ ] tough to swallow yeah um so where did you read that Crow magnan lived longer than us uh well for one thing that's for certain they were bigger than we were really yeah and they had uh they were taller that's a known fact before agriculture uh we did not have certain diseases that we have now if you talk to the Paleo people and they can fill you within with all that stuff uh but before we started having grains and all that bad stuff uh people were perhaps living longer they were certainly bigger Crown magn was 5'7 to 5'9 oh you're you're you're you're showing me wrong but they were taller than the people that came after them oh okay well they say that there are that's the average but large males stood as tall 6'5 so not really taller than us okay that's taller taller than the people living than the humans of those after yeah in ancient Greece or whatever nothing like the internet to be able to show that I'm wrong about like you know 10 years ago there was no way you would have been able to prove me wrong we've had so many examples of people stating and I know you're not doing it but there's been a lot of people that have bullshitted us yeah unfortunately and I've spread information so now I have to be like diligent about that what is that Wikipedia uh this is Wikipedia but it has references if you'd like me to find the scientific references they're in there as well don't get crazy all right well I think I think the path back between what we're talking about is that you know life itself needs resistance just as Masters need resistance you know I mean there is no there is no life that's worth living if everything is you know like that Allan wants video if we could make everything absolutely perfect
and nothing is a surprise and there's no resistance out there it doesn't become what it is it's not as Rich anymore it's not filled with the magic that life can be I mean resistance is an intrinsic part of that and the fact that nature is constantly looking to you know pick us off is part of that resistance and the fact that all of these forces are aligned against someone who's trying to become a master the pain the sacrifice whatever people are saying all of that that is required for a master to be created you know that's it's all part of the same thing you know it's this kind of dualism of of force and opposition the average life expectancy of crow magnon was 35 years all right all right I meant the height I at the height sorry dude okay most well then I've got something I've got there something maybe it's not Chom I better shut up no it's all right 45 would be exceptionally old for a crom magn on man so if I was Crow I'd be the [ __ ] old wise man in the village I think it's compared to the people who got into agricultural settlements after Crow magnon they didn't live to be 35 years old something well that that age is also factoring a lot infant mortalities War things like that things that don't happen disease mortality you know it doesn't mean that the a healthy crom magnet wouldn't live longer necessar that's the big thing is factoring infant mortality that's a big one right yeah mothers dying in child birth [ __ ] that doesn't happen anymore you know that raises or as much yeah yeah um but what I getting back to what you were saying there in the preface to Mastery I try and say um the times that we live first of all I I make the point that we need Masters in the world now uh this is a time where we have incredible opportunity largely through the internet where access to information the ability to learn things to develop skills to have an isolation tank to learn archery to do all of these things the world has open up and the ability to to develop skills and master something and create something is just completely unprecedented at the same time the distractions and the resistance that we have to go through is equally unprecedented with the internet with iPhones with um all the other things that are making it so much harder for us
to focus and I want you to think of all of these things as the kind of the water that you have to swim against and if you're able to swim against all of these distractions that the world throws at you you're going to become a real Kick-Ass master in whatever it is because you've overcome something that 90% of the people in this world just submerges them under because they're too weak but there's also the cliche and it's very important to point out that there is no end result that it's a journey and this journey does not I mean becoming a master there's it's not there's no end point you continue to get better at everything you do or you start to suck and that that's what happens you you will get better if you do not continue to get better you are getting worse yeah yeah it's true and uh you know you take someone like Einstein one of the greatest Masters he discovers the second theory of relativity at the age of 26 and nothing after that you know he tried to do his unified theory and it just you know why why [ __ ] start getting all that scientist [ __ ] it was too much Oh you mean he had too much [ __ ] yeah so was a famous [ __ ] Hound a lot of people don't know that it's true it is true yeah Einstein loved it he was smart so was Fineman you know two guys with the most Brilliant Minds of the 20th century loved [ __ ] I don't think that's a bad thing you see that big old smile on Einstein's face wacky hair he had a [ __ ] whole image going on women loved him he were he was like yeah why wouldn't you I mean you you talk about all the favorable traits for evolutionary success talking about one of the most brilliant men scientifically ever yeah I would think that a lot of women would want that seed inside of them you know look at him he's like see this look at that ladies [ __ ] Jean Simmons look at that that's the tongue of a [ __ ] super genius with his own hair that guy was he was excuse me he was a you know a very unique individual and that that uniqueness I'm sure there was some motivation behind that not just the scientific motivation but the the actual natural motivation to be exceptional for breeding purposes that you know women would find him exceptional yeah absolutely yeah but it
you're right it is a process so that you never can sort of rest on your laurels and say ah so the way I look do it I'm not saying that I'm a master so don't misinterpret me but the way I do it for myself is every book that I write I'm back at square one I I'm nobody I have no history I have no F readers I'm not successful I have to make my it's death ground I have to make my next book work or I'm I'm a total loser so that's um exactly the same process involved in standup comedy oh standup comedy um you put out a new special and then once you have that new special you throw all that material out and you start from scratch and you write all new material and uh if you do it that way that's the only real way to do it in this day and age because too many people have the internet too many people have I mean everyone has the internet obviously too many people have access to your previous work I should say right and in comedy you constantly need new material unlike in music so be rough it's not it's great it's rough but it's great the roughness is the great part of it yeah the but that that whole process of Mastery you know you say you're not a master um I think you are but I think there is none this is what I think you are a master but there's no ultimate Mastery a master is someone who is very good at the process but there's no end you I think that's very right yeah the end doesn't exist there's no there's no where it becomes easy there's no golden age of retirement that's a bunch of horeshit that they [ __ ] sell you to keep you in your job there's no Golden Age you're [ __ ] dying man you're you're going to get old and you're going to reach that point where you know you can't really work anymore so you don't have to work anymore and then you got to watch your money you know this this selling point of one day you'll retire and everything will be groovy the [ __ ] it will it's not going to be groovy there's path waiting for some to drop on you even the religious belief that you go through this life and just do your work and then you get to heaven yay you know or you go through if it's not religious this capitalist belief you you work in this job and it's gonna suck but then you get to retire yay you know [ __ ] you got to enjoy that every minute along that path that you're going
on or choose a different path [ __ ] the money [ __ ] everything else do what you love to do the whole time and you'll smile at the end when your when your time is up yeah and if you do use the wrong motivations you will not get the results you desire you know I know a guy who has been trying to get famous forever mhm and he's you know trying to do it in all the wrong ways you know he's trying to become famous instead of focusing on whatever art form you choose to make you famous just wants Fame and it just escapes them like sand through your fingers you just can't hold on to it you just can't can't get a quantifiable amount in your hands and the motivation is incorrect it's like the if the motivation was just on his art I think probably he'd be far more successful but instead the motivation is based on the green demon of looking at all these other people becoming successful and not being able to find out why he can't achieve it himself I mean attention is never the goal in in Mastery and it's actually a negative yes but learning learning is what gets you high learning is what you love if you love the attention more than the learning then you're [ __ ] you're never going to make it yeah and that need the need for acceptance and it's like it's the very opposite of what you should be striving for yeah you know and we were talking about people that become really successful and then lose their way and how you can learn so much from that and uh in comedy my uh my guide for that was always Sam Kennison because I think that Sam Kennison was the greatest comedian of all time from 1986 to 1987 I mean I'm not kidding I think maybe before that you know I found out about in ' 86 I mean probably was the greatest in ' 85 and maybe even in 84 but that's it from then on it's dog [ __ ] if you try to listen to Sam Kennon from ' 89 or 88 it's terrible comedy I went to see him live he was awful I saw him live several times because I was such a huge fan of his work in ' 86 but the drop off was so there's guys who have good CDs and you know they'll have like Hills and Valleys myself I have stuff that I really love and then stuff I was like that wasn't my best one but then more motivation to do better in the next one there's just you know sometimes creative glitches or what have you a
part of the process but with kennes in there's this [ __ ] monster Peak and then this crazy drop off what happened to him Coke and hookers oh Coke a lot booze a lot you know we had Mark Maron on the podcast who was uh ping around with Kennis in the Heyday at The Comedy Store and Mark was a young kid and he told some amazing stories about just the amount of substances Mark hung out with Kennison and he had to escape he left LA and he hit it so hard that was hearing voices in his head for like almost a year like literally he was psychotic and I met Mark soon after that I met Mark in Boston like after he had been hanging out with Kennison after Kennison was you know riding the wave and you know he I met Mark I think in 88 was when I started and I met him soon after that so he had already gone through all this and he was you know a young guy working at The Comedy Store and he got to see just the overwhelming amount of substances that kennes and was consuming just massive and it just destroyed him he never recovered from that yeah Coke and alcohol I mean that killed his brain it wasn't writing either hiso his brother wrote about it there's a book called My Brother Sam it's a great book about Kennison written by his brother who was I think also his manager at the time who who wrote about how there was a he wrote about the Tang tangible drop off in um his writing he didn't write new material anymore and was sort of like just partying yeah I mean there's I talk in the book about this myth um that drugs will just instantly make you more creative in fact it's often the opposite um and I have the example of col train um who you know is probably the maybe one of the greatest jazz artists who ever lived and he got hooked on Heroin for a while and people have this myth that that's what made cult train so great was the drugs and the heroin and the Coke and in fact he he said it was the worst he did his worst work in that period and he got off of it like in 58 and never touched to drugs or drinking after that and and did his better work after that much better work that's because to to create something it requires so much discipline and so much mindfulness and focus that you just can't do it if you're constantly drugged out you know yeah especially those two those very depressive ones and very like
Coke and heroin are probably two of the worst but there seems to be a connection between heroin and deep soulful music like maybe it helps them for a small time itro can't it up yeah you mean like a vet underground or something like that yeah like there's something well Hendrick and well you know people will argue Hendrick wasn't really into heroin but if you look at that photo behind me of his mug shot that is from the [ __ ] Toronto police department when he was arrested for heroin so it a little [ __ ] problem with that little heroin in system I don't know what drugs I mean I know he was also involved in acid and you know marrison was into heroin there was a lot of alcohol involved with a lot of those guys as well but the ability to escape your inhibitions was you know they were chasing the dragon in a sense yeah but look how long it lasts 27 yeah yeah they all died at 27 Janice choplin Hendrick Marson it seems to be the most dangerous path to Embark upon if you're looking to gain something I I think one of the things I got from one of your books was a story about Fodor DVI was that in was that in 48 la power where I think it's in the 33 strides of war and in the 48 loss well basically after he would be successful with the book he would find that he was unable to really write and he didn't have that creative fire anymore to create another great work so he would take all of his life savings and go to the casino and just gamble it away in a night so that he was desperate and hungry again he had was penniless penniless and at that point he had to write something great to get himself out you know so these these people use these different strategies and he did that over and over again that takes guts yeah you got to be a [ __ ] crazy person yeah I call that death ground putting yourself on death ground it comes from sunsu he says a general would deliberately put his army on death ground meaning he would deliberately put their back against an ocean or a mountain and they either had to defeat the enemy that's confronting them or they would die because they had no Escape Route no safety net no safety net No Escape Route yeah safety nets are something that I've argued against ever since I was was a child which was another thing that my parents instilled
in me that I had to have a safety net and I've always told everybody who would listen don't ever have a [ __ ] safety net because if you have a net you will fall all right you might not make it without the net but you will not make it with the net so there's that there's that I I I I had an interesting experience with Mastery uh where in writing the book where i' had written four of the six chapters but I was getting really late in delivering the the final and the publisher basically said uh you have like 11 weeks to finish the book or we're canceling the project or or postponing it whoa and there were the the two chapters left were the longest the hardest the most abstract and the most important and I was like there's no way I'm exhausted I just can't do it but I had no choice because if they cancel or postpone it all of my hard work would be thrown out the window so that was death ground and finally after three days of torturing myself and whining and bitching at myself I decided all right I'm going to do it I'm just going to try I'll just do what I can and it was the most incredible writing experience I've ever had in my life I was I had to work harder than I've ever had to work I got on this High where thoughts were just coming to me and my dreams and my you know I'm having sex every it's just the most amazing and they worked and I was sitting there writing about creativity and intuition while they were while this was happening to me and it just demonstrated to me that the limits that I thought I had are just sort of self-imposed and if I stopped complaining and stopped saying that I had these limits I could explore Beyond them and explore what I was capable of that I never thought I was capable of prior to that you know Hunter Thompson wrote Hell's Angels he finished like the last x amount of chapters in like two days on cocaine yeah like he just got coked up and [ __ ] like had a deadline and maybe I should have tried that have you ever seen um I could have written it in two days maybe maybe you need Aderall have you ever seen um the uh the Hunter S Thompson documentary fear and not fear and loathing uh [ __ ] what it called what gono yeah Gonzo years ago what is it The Life and Times of hunteress Thompson is that the name of it I got it
saved on iTunes I should just pull it up on iTunes uh the documentary just from a couple years ago have you seen that oh just from a couple years ago no I haven't is a fairly recent documentary but God damn it's good godamn it's good I think it's Gonzo the Life and Work of Hunter S Thompson at it yeah I watched it in a hotel in Seattle and [ __ ] spent the that's it life and work of Dr Hunter Thompson it's so good it's so good 7.8 get that [ __ ] blast me off there it's not a 10 that just shows you there's con no matter what you do in this life that's that that documenter is a goddamn 10 and Incredibly inspirational and I watched in Seattle at a hotel room and just on a whim just all right well watch this I was alone I was doing some work and you know I I [ __ ] wrote all night because of that documentary I just got on the keyboard and just smash Keys all night oh nice it's those things that you know you catch these bursts of uh of inspiration and Thompson who's a personal hero of mine used to call them fuel you know and he said that he personally believed that with the right song you could drive further in your car you know your your car would figure out a way if the right song was playing to go uh to go miles past the E and you know theoretically obviously not even theoretically you know he was uh it was just it's metaphor metaphor yeah metaphor thank thank you metaphorically he was you know just great at figuring out how to put these abstract ideas into a tangible form that your mind accepted and never met a deadline and his whole thing was like putting things off into the last minute and then this Fury of [ __ ] teeth nashing you know slamming against the keys and this [ __ ] but it's almost like he forced himself into this this back against the wall what you call it the death ground he forced himself into a death ground wow in order to complete oh I wish I done that I would have included it in my book you do so you know I know you talking about comedy you like following someone like Joey Diaz who is hilarious right because you've talked about how that makes you that would make some people you know a little bit scared and a little bit nervous but you like it because it's going to bring out your best following somebody that's that great you know what I mean haven't
you kind of mentioned isn't there something there in that same philosophy with that maybe but my philosophy in that is that uh I think that not F not working with funny really really funny people is a twofold problem one it's famine thinking like they think that there's there's a lot of really selfish comedians out there and one of the things that they like to do is they like to stack the deck so they'll bring there's guys that are National touring Headliners that bring the worst [ __ ] comedians you've ever seen in your life to open for them because these guys go up there and eat dick for half an hour and then you go on stage this crowd has been tortured waiting for actual entertainment and you're the hero you're the Conquering Hero so nobody outshines you that's right it is incredibly common and I I think it's gross I think it disrespects the audience first of all I think it disrespects the fact that these people have paid money to see you they deserve entertainment not just from you but from other people as well and you shouldn't be scared of other people being funny doesn't take away from you being funny the only way it would take away is if the person on before you is stealing your material or what it's called stepping on your material like say if you know you had a very particular subject that you were famous for like Jim gaffan likes to talk about Hot Pockets he does his whole Hot Pocket bit it's really hilarious if you went on before him and started talking about Hot Pockets you would kind of Step On His bit you you would and people will do that those same [ __ ] like that actor that I told you that would like go up to my friend and say he was fat right before he would go and read his lines that's that same sort of thinking that same sort of famine thinking you she's like another person's success should be inspirational to you it shouldn't be detrimental to you and so I um and then the other thing is I'm a fan of Comedy I want to laugh so I bring Joey Diaz who I personally think is the funniest guy who's ever lived I bring him to open for me because I want to be I want to be in a hilarious State before I go on stage I want to be laughing I'm not worried about not being funny because if I've done my job I've I've done the work it's
going to be good like don't worry you can't worry about that that worrying is the enemy of Comedy fear yeah it's just it's pathetic I bring murderers with me man everywhere I go Duncan Ari Joey I just bring the the biggest killers that I could find I I take Headliners with me I've taken Greg fit Simmons on the road with me I mean I like doing shows with guys who are [ __ ] awesome I think it's really important it's but it's not because I want to die some because I want to put my back up against the wall I want the audience to get their money's worth and I want to be around my friends and I also want to support my friends part of the reason of bringing Joey and Ari and Duncan on the road with me all these years is it's it's selfish because I want to have a good time and I want to be with them and I want to enjoy myself so there's that but also I want people to know how good these guys are and a lot of these guys are good in a really [ __ ] up way that's not it's not really palatable for Comedy Central it's really hard for them to get on HBO you know for a guy like Joey Diaz the only way for that guy to get famous is the internet that's what made him famous and my help you know helping get him out there in front of thousands of people that would never have had an opportunity to see him and telling people as I introduce him ladies and Gentlemen please welcome the funniest [ __ ] that ever stepped foot on Earth Joey Diaz and I would on stage like that all the time I I tell everybody he's funnier than me he's the funniest guy ever doesn't mean I'm not funny you know it's just it's not bad for things to be great other than you it's good there's this you should be inspired the great the greatest people want those people who are great alongside them to push them you know I mean although bird and Magic were nemeses you know you talk to them now how thankful they were that they had each other on opposing teams oh for sure all of these all of these people you need greatness around you you need them you need yin to get to have Yang you you need which one's good which one's negative and which one's positive which one's Yin is passive Yang is active yeah you need that Yang to have Yin or Yang yin yang you need both makes Yang the universe has you know the tide comes in the tie goes out Bill O'Reilly
yeah you know it's it's there's something don't talk to me about Bill O'Reilly isn't that the greatest [ __ ] care you can't you can't explain it yes you can you [ __ ] it's called gravity they figured it out a long time ago sh seen that thing that he did we was talking about God he was talking about you the tide goes in the tide goes out you can't explain it like you know I'm going with god oh it was the so so disingenuous from a Harvard graduate he's such a [ __ ] oh I'm a I have my own bill R Riley story really please tell it to me well 48 Laws of Power just come out in 98 and Bill O'Reilly decides to have me on the Riley O'Reilly Factory which was big then but not as big as it became later on and so I'm like this is like one of my first shows I've ever been on you know no no no um nothing like this ever happened to me before and basically you go to a studio in Los Angeles where he's in New York and you're in this room and there's nothing around you and you have they put an earphone in your head and you're staring at a camera you don't see anything you just hear Bill O'Reilly's stupid [ __ ] voice in your ear asking you questions it's like you're on drugs and it's so disconcerting it's like the guy who's trying to put you off your game before and you're already put off your game the moment you start anyway he interviews me and I prepared like [ __ ] for this interview because I knew the questions coming it was all about Monica Lewinsky and Clinton and the Scandal and the 48 Laws and I nailed it and he said oh that was a great interview Robert I'm gonna have you on again okay wow and so I'm like feeling pretty good about myself so four weeks later I trudge back to that office and I sit in that same chair with a little earphone in my head and he proceeds to just rip me to shreds about what uh well essentially he hated the 48 law of power he liked the writing or whatever but he was just using exposing his game he was just oh completely he was just using it as a way to attack Clinton which I wasn't wanting to do what why that so anyway sorry he was just like totally messing with me and I was so expecting the opposite that I was like and then then he goes uh and then he says well what about this law about use selective honesty and I said well it's something that politicians and
business people use all the time like lynon Johnson for instance and and then I was about to explain how Lyndon Johnson used and he cuts me off yes yes the same man who send 58,000 men of our young men to death in Vietnam let's break for a commercial and that was the end of the interview oh God so he like made me look like uh I was supporting lynon Johnson massacring 58,000 Americans in Vietnam he manipulated and made humiliated me and like and um the whole thing was he hates the 48 law of power because it's all about manipulation and ugliness and he's the most [ __ ] manipulative interviewer you could ever imagine look how he manipulated me he completely set me up by making me think this was going to be like a a softball interview where we were just you know well he's a hater he just hated that someone else wrote something brilliant that's all it is that guy's a [ __ ] hater he's he's the ultimate hater well and it was a it was a special type of Looking Glass that allowed people to see Bill O'Reilly for the [ __ ] monster that he was yeah and I find it only just a book incredibly ridiculous that that guy got to interview uh Obama you know not that I think Obama's you know any particularly unique and special human being relatively to what his position is and what could have been done by a guy like that in that position but I think that you know having Obama being interviewed by this [ __ ] buffoon I think Obama has the most thankless job probably in the history of the world and maybe the most impossible job I don't think he's done the best that he could with it but I don't think anybody can I think it's you're set up that's what I've come to the more I think about being a president the more I think about dealing with the house and dealing with Congress and the Senate and all the [ __ ] laws and just just look at what's happened to his hair yeah the gray yeah well that happens to alling and gray but like in this course of like a year it just suddenly turned gray I don't think we can even imagine the kind of pressure that you'd have to be to be the leader or the supposed commander-in-chief of the greatest superpower of the world has ever known which wants to consume the Earth you know this crazy superpower that
literally thrives on consuming the earth I think we can gain so much from listening to Eisenhower's speech about the military industrial complex when he was leaving office that the intense speech warning the the people about the military industrial complex and the dangers of it and the influence of it I I don't think we can even imagine what that is actually like when you're in off I mean I I'd like to think that Obama one day will write a book explaining everything and we'll be like oh I get it cuz I don't get it I don't get how he could have made the decisions that he's made based on what he said before he got into office unless he's totally full of [ __ ] which I'd like to think that he's not that said him getting interviewed by a [ __ ] buffoon like Bill Riley it's just like it's watching that and just like why is that guy talking but he's one of the most popular people on it's so silly it's so silly that he's one of the most popular people on television it's so [ __ ] silly it's just it's just you'll get no argument for me well it's it's unnecessary and I think I personally believe that that style of Television is like [ __ ] silent films where you you debate a very important issue on a split screen for six minutes and you know people yell over yell y oh bill that's not the case and fracking doesn't produce any negative results the hippies and the Liberals we'll be right back we won't be right back this is not the way to talk this is not the way to address complex issues this is not the way to have interesting discussions did you ever see John Stewart on the firing line years ago we almost five minutes yeah okay yeah we're you three hours I'm supposed to um pimp something that I forgot to pimp what are you supposed to pimp um some special offers for getting the book Mastery oh yeah that's right didn't somebody email you that or something like that is it too late to do that no no not at all not at all we've probably lost Everybody by now no everybody's still here people talking about man everybody's still in you'd be amazed the these people stick in to the end most of the people listening to this are commuting or they're uh on the treadmill or they're you know on a plane or something like that but a huge majority of them are are hanging out to the very end you'd be completely shocked
and it's like archived and they listen oh yeah yeah yeah yeah forever this will reach [ __ ] probably close to a million we have all sorts of offers for the book and for special bonus things that I used to give away when the book first came out and you need to go to Power seduction and War the and is spelled out Powers seduction andw war.com uh SL jooe yes I got it right here um I'll put this up on Twitter right now uh copy link address and what is the special offer that people get um there's some things that are not included in the actual book itself uh so the full interviews that I had with some of the Contemporary Masters like Freddy roach uh some material that never got included in the book for reasons that aren have nothing to do with the quality of it um and then this kind of essay that I wrote about uh the writing of the book itself and things that I explained today about my deadline how would you explain in a tweet to give it to people like I'm I'm writing a tweet right now how would you explain it explain what explain what this offer is like what free you're getting free um bonus material that's not in the book itself okay he really gives insight into some of Robert's process you know because I've looked at some of these gives insight into his process how he did this plus bonus content and stories that almost didn't make the cut kind of like the director's cut thank you it just got out to 1.28 million people oh and for those of you thinking about little B more than for those of you thinking about reading Mastery I've read it and it's been an invaluable tool along with the rest of your books um really you know you allow people to to get the best out of themselves and that's something that I'm incredibly passionate about and I think these are incredible tools to have and you decide what to do with these tools you're a unique individual but there's no doubt that knowledge is power in itself and you can use that power for however however means you want to do it it's up to you but the books have knowledge and when you consume those books that knowledge will translate into your own personal power cliches are real ladies and gentlemen Robert Green you're a bad [ __ ] Au marus you're a bad
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