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music whenever you're ready Jamie maybe uh it's you forgot the volume you [ __ ] it's in you [ __ ] it up the computer at least it's not oh the computer did at least it's not live yeah do you know how to do it or are we done nope it's coming show's over yeah Jo Rogan podcast by night all [Music] day it wouldn't be the same if everything came out smooth well Cameron first of all thanks for doing this podcast for people who don't know Cameron Cameron Haynes is a um a famous bow hunter which is a rare thing it's very rare that someone becomes famous as as a bow hunter and in the most manly form of bow hunting ever you're famous for shooting the biggest most majestic North American animals with sticks that's right I mean that's what you're famous for you're famous for taking out giant bugling elk with a flying stick that's pretty badass dude I wouldn't say famous let's you're famous to me you're famous I I told a friend of mine who's a a hunting fan he's a personal trainer and I said I'm doing this podcast with Cameron a he goes oh that's that keep hammering guy that's it keep dude like okay one other guy you and one other guy you are famous among yeah so there's three I brought you up to my friend Brian Callahan who uh works at first light and he said oh yeah I know who that guy is yeah so people know who you are man okay you have become at least uh can I say you have notoriety that yeah I'd say that okay some notoriety from killing elk with with flying sticks that's it yeah how does one go about becoming famous or at least develop internet notoriety from killing elk with flying sticks um you know I think for me it's just I don't know I just came up just like everybody else so it's like so what I've done kind of gives other people that didn't have any breaks or just regular guys hope to chase our dreams I really think that's it I think that's why people like me well I'll tell you how I found it about you um I watched a lot of videos on YouTube on online whether it's uh whether videos about anything that I find interesting and I saw this video this guy carrying rocks in his backpack going up hills training for elk hunting and I was like what what is that and I thought about it
I was like that actually is a pretty smart move like I've never heard of anybody training for hunting mhm I went hunting when I shot that mu deer with Steve Rella um that was the uh the the first time I ever went hunting and I was amazed at how tired I was yeah I was like this is ridiculous like I thought I was in really good shape but when you're climbing up those muddy Hills and the Missouri breaks and everything's like sloshing and it's you know these steep hills and you know you doing it for six hours in a row like man you get exhausted yeah your legs get rubber your lungs are burning I was like I can't believe this I was thinking I need to work out for hunting but I never heard of anybody doing that before until I saw you right well it you like elk hunting you can get up at sometimes 5:00 in the morning to get to where maybe you put some elk to bed the night before and walk so an hour before daylight then you're hunting all day and then you get back to Camp after dark maybe at 8 or 9:00 that's a long day it's a long day people aren't used to doing that I mean how often do you work out for 15 hours a day not only that like you if you shoot an elk then you have to take that elk back and you have to figure out how to carry through the mountain like that's where it gets really crazy because like what's the biggest elk you've ever shot um it's probably a a Roosevelt bull I killed in Oregon in 2010 and we're figuring it weighed about 12200 lb is 12 or 13 years old that's a big animal that was huge woo how long did it take you to carry 1,200 I mean on that's on the bone so once you quarter it and skin it and take the head off of it and the antlers how much is it how much you car carrying out about 500 lb you know we had it quartered up and then with the hide cuz I wanted to get it mounted and the head and all that so we had to carry about 500 lb but I had a few guys with me so you know made it a little easier yeah I guess you you have to bring like a pack crew yeah yeah no they're big animals and that's just that's part of it but that's you know when you can go into the mountains where an elk lives every day and and like you said with a sharp stick take it out Harvest it and then so you're you're on its home court and then bring it back to your truck and back to your freezer that's that's a powerful
experience you know that's the whole the whole thing is hard everything about it is hard but to be able to do that I mean it's given me confidence to know that in whatever everyday life I can achieve things you know because that's about as tough as it gets for me yeah I've always said that adversity is a very important thing for human beings because if you don't go through adversity you never know that you can there's always going to be questions and every time you do go through adversity it sort of adds on to your ability and your confidence in all walks of life it's like this tattoo that I have is mamoto moushi the guy who wrote the book of five rings and when I was a kid and I was uh um competing in martial arts tournaments I I read the book of five rings and I remember this one quote once you understand the way broadly you can see it in all things and once you've gone through the kind of adversity that you must go through to you know hike 9 miles into a mountain shoot an elk and then bring that giant Beast back and then cook it like that is a that is you you will develop confidence and you'll develop a sense of accomplishment that's very difficult to recreate yeah and that's to do that I know how difficult that is and so in training I try to simulate that as much as possible you I mean that's where the the carrying the 130 lb Rock up the hill or you know for training I've run 100 mile ultramarathons you know that type of thing basically I just want to I want to simulate that misery because I want to know what being miserable feels like if you don't ever know you never know how you're going to react some people might fold up quit but uh so I try to get there and as often as possible how did you why did you decide a rock why not like weights or you can measure weights did you try to just go with the rock CU it's even more Primal um I don't know I just I had been seeing this rock you know I run this mountain all the time so I've been seeing this rock and uh I was like man I need to get that rock to the top of the hill and so I did this seminar at Cabellas and uh I said hey anybody who wants to come up I'm going to go run the mountain because everybody knows I run this mountain so they came in for the Cabella seminar then I told them I said if you run the mountain I'll give you a free DVD just
come hang I just like to work out with people just you know I like to see people people sacrificing so I said I'm going to carry this rock up and we can all go do it and I figured it I mean the rock I figured was about 70 lbs I had no idea but so I get up there I have this empty pack and I have everybody there I'm like all right just hang on hang on for a sec I'm just going to throw this rock on my pack and I lift the first time I'd ever touched it and I was like wow this is more than 70 pounds and so I ended up getting it up to the top and then we tried to take pictures trying to I couldn't even lift that thing over my head because a rock is just weird to to lift and um so I ended up taking it down off the mountain I'm like I obviously it's more than 70 I want to figure out how much it is so was 130 lb but but it was just kind of on a whim I guess is how that came about now I just now it's just my rock now it's your workout rock it is now are you allowed to just pull rocks out of the forest is there any regulations about that I I may have poach that rock no it's still there it's I just carried up and down I never take it I I took it to the gym to weigh it but it's back it's up on the mountain right now okay so what would you do if you came there and you saw somebody else Throw That Rock in their backpack you're like hey man there was he going to do somebody did I think they you know had seen the rock talked about so and I said hey you know people people kind of qu you know people question everything for whatever reason sure and so they like oh that's not 130 lbs I'm like okay well here it is go pack it to wherever you want and weigh it so somebody did move at like 20 yards and I did notice that but other than that it just kind of sits wherever I leave it that well if it's heavy enough that's good that nobody will steal it or most people won't steal it I should say nobody's I don't think they're going to steal it now when you take that rock up to the top of the mountain how often do you do this I do it about once a week once a week yeah that's kind of I mix it up and that's my once a week type something different other than that I usually just run the
mountain so once a week once every seven days you carry that how far are you carrying it it's a mile and a half [Music] Jesus oh yeah that hurts my lower back just thinking about it yeah me too oh um that is there any danger of like doing that's like some serious weight that you're carrying on your back like that it's an awkward way to carry weight to do it like once a week yeah I I try to think I'm bulletproof but I've found out that I'm not and so yeah and that's a yeah that's a trail right there so up the hill with the rock that's some serious work like the amount of actual physical kinetic work that you have to do to go up a hill with 130lb rock on your back like that like man that's got to get you in some insane shape oh it helps you know I mean it's just every Everything helps mixing it up I do a lot of different things but that's just one of them now was this something that you had always done and then when you got into hunting you just sort of ramped it up or did you did you like really get into fitness once you became a hunter that's another shirt I have you know ramp it up oh really is it really yeah it is oh no kidding but uh no let's see so I started bow hunting I was um just a teenager and uh it was I ended up killing a spike bull elk my very first year I think it was 18 or 19 and uh that was you know to kill a bull with a bow where I I came from a real small town I mean 20 some kids in my graduating class and so um a lot of people hunted but to kill a bull with a bow was like special and so I got attention for that I was like this some positive reinforcement and I'm like you know this after high school after the high school sports and all that and trying to find my way trying to figure out what the heck I was going to do and so I liked hunting I like the challenge of it I got some positive reinforcement from it so I'm like hey this is pretty cool because I didn't hardly know anybody who'd killed a bull with a bow back then and so um I was successful but from there I just wanted more wanted more of a challenge and then you know I started going into the Wilderness into the organ's biggest Wilderness Eagle capap Wilderness it's 375,000 acres and uh so you can get back in there away from people and I thought well now I want to go to the middle of
this Wilderness cuz that would be even more badass and if I could kill a bull back there man that would be the ultimate and so it was just kind of from there I realized how the physical part of bow hunting where where it you know was more important and so I just it was kind of a progression you know I've always always ran 10ks and different things like that but I figured man you can't be in too good a shape to to challenge that country and uh so I've just you know I've never I haven't reached my limit and I'm trying to to try to become what I always say is the ultimate Predator so it it becomes uh a part of like your your whole psyche it becomes a part of like what you're doing with your life becomes the the challenge of it becomes almost as important as what you're doing itself like you're not just going out and getting an elk for meat you know which I'm sure you enjoy elk meat but it's also it's it's almost sort of like a spiritual Quest oh yeah I mean the you know the most powerful moments I've had have been in the mountains in the wilderness after um killing a bull because everything that goes into it you know it's not just the fact that I killed an animal it's uh it's how much I respect the animal how tough the country is back all the training it's just a accumulation of all that work in all that investment of emotion and everything else and so that's yeah it is it's spiritual I mean um by yourself back there is uh as raw as it gets it's tough and eating the animal that you you've killed U for I just started hunting I've been only been hunting a little over a year year and a half and for me uh the most delicious meals and most satisfying meals I've ever had is venison that I that I've killed myself there's something something intimate about it I guess guess something you're much more attached to what you're what you're eating mhm and you know I've never killed anything with a bow much less a 1200 lb bull elk with a bow in the middle of the woods I mean that's got to ramp it up another notch oh yeah it's amazing cuz if you're shooting something with a rifle you know I shot that mule deer from 200 yards away that's pretty far yeah you know you're shooting these animals 30 40 yards away from you and you're and they're
huge yeah no they're I mean they don't suicide they they are you know they're used to Lions they're used to being hunted so to get into bow range you know in their Red Zone so to speak you know that 30 to 40 yards um that's difficult they're dialed in they're used to being hunted every single day I mean they're they're never turned off and so uh yeah it's tough and then you have just basically a sharp stick you know one Arrow got the arrows laying over there and it's just it's amazing how lethal with the razor sharp Broadhead and arrow be and uh I've seen you know there's videos of of B huge Bulls I've killed dropping in seconds just from that you know quicker even than maybe a rifle would kill him and that's uh you know that's pretty amazing but that is pretty amazing well one of the things about you is uh because of all your training because of all this lifting and exercise that you do you shoot a really heavy bow you shoot a 90 lb compound bow which uh for folks who don't know like a lot of people they'll they'll tell you like you don't need to shoot anything more than 60 but 90 I've never even heard of anybody shooting a 90 I never even pulled one until I pulled yours I mean that's ridiculously I mean that's pretty stout yeah so you're you're sort of like adding to like this whole reason why you're you're exercising and all this Fitness and getting you know really strong and in really great shape you know you're you're you kind of have to be in great shape just to use the very weapon that you use to take these animals out yeah well and that's true you don't you don't necessarily have to shoot 90 pounds I mean people do kill there's women out there bow hunting who are very successful with a 50 lb bow it's true you can do it but you know I want to shoot 90 um I what I want on an animals I want two holes I want that Arrow blowing through so I have two blood two holes spilling blood and that's how I'm going to recover the animal you know an arrow kills from Hemorrhage so not from shock like a like a rifle would so to get that Hemorrhage whereas a 50 lb bow might go in halfway and it might get into the lungs and it might kill it you know you might get 12 Ines of penetration if I go clear through that bowl and it's you know
maybe 24 in across well there's a 24in wound as opposed to 12in wound and killing by Hemorrhage and so it's just going to be that much more lethal in my mind and then if I'm blowing through ribs or through a shoulder or it's quarin way hard so I have to go through maybe 30 in of of mass I'm I'm going to be able to do do that yeah it's not you know it's not necessary so to speak but it's what I'm comfortable with and I think it makes me that more lethal of a bow hunter how many other dudes are shooting 90 lbs I'm not sure is there anybody I don't know yeah I'm sure probably one or two yeah I'm I'm sure there's there's some well I just pulled it back and I was thinking when I was pulling it back I was like imagine pulling this thing back if you just climbed up the top of a mountain and you're absolutely exhausted and then you have this one opportunity to see if you ever had that happen where you know you you're really exhausted to work to get to where the elk is and then you're you're so tired you have a hard time pulling the ball no no no that's cuz you train hard right yeah no that's that's never been an issue um no but it's because you prepare for the average person I mean 90 lbs is it's really difficult to lift I mean you're essentially you're using two hands swort of but a bulk of the work has got to be in your right arm right yeah I mean it's it's difficult you know where I think would be more difficult is if you're sitting in a tree stand for hours freezing and then a buck walks by and you have a 90 lb bow that would be hard that that would be because you're not warmed up you're not you know active so that could be difficult but I I did use I had that bow um for a late season hunt back home and it was cold it was like 7 degrees and I've been up there for hours and I'm just like okay this is going to be a test now if I can if I can pull this back and I was able to and so well just because you trained so hard [Music] [Music] for my Approach also in what are they saying oh what are you doing getting in shape what are you doing getting strong and healthy and so what kind of criticisms do they come up with I would love to hear those yeah it's uh it's pretty I don't know if it's
funny it's it's been irritating but I just kind of blow it off but has it actually irritated you yeah a little bit you got to get tougher you got to you got to work on that aspect of your training okay I do definitely but they'll say stuff like uh oh Cameron says you have to be able to run a marathon to kill an elk right which is I've never said that I do that but you don't have to and uh or you know I've just I saw something the other day that says oh uh you know my Approach is what's wrong with hunting today it's like I who being being healthy and strong I guess I don't know not eating sugar not drinking alcohol eating healthy foods and working out yeah you're what's wrong with the world man basically all these healthy [ __ ] out there ruining it for everybody else know all these fat guys like to sit in tree stands blow farts they're they're upset guys like you are out there doing something exciting I guess I I don't know so anyway yeah I do get I get criticized just because you know hunting in and hunting for some people is kind of a just a getaway and there's nothing wrong with that you know you want to it's a vacation sure it's not something you want to gear your life around and that's okay I get that you don't you don't have to train every day if all you're looking for is just to get away and relax there's nothing wrong with that in any Endeavor whether it's a game or a sport or even martial arts I mean there's nothing wrong with taking a martial art class once a week just for exercise you like my friend Joey Diaz he's he's he's big he's overweight he takes Jiu-Jitsu all the time he's not trying to get his black belt he just wants to get get his blood pumping get a get a little workout in there there's nothing wrong with that right and then I have another friend who's uh he's beaten world champions my friend Eddie's uh you know a black belt and like one of the best in the world so it's like those both approaches are okay it's okay to be obsessed with something and and pursue excellence and it's okay to just enjoy it as a Pastime yeah the problem is that the people that enjoy it as a Pastime they're always going to real there get this little nagging thing in the back of their head for some of them like especially the weak ones that they
realized that you do it better than them or they realized that if they went hunting with you they couldn't keep up or they realize if they ran with you they can't keep up or if they realize they tried to lift with you they couldn't lift as much so they're like crabs in a bucket you know what crabs in a bucket are like no if you have a bunch of crabs in a bucket one crab tries to get out of the bucket and the other crabs grab them and pull them down Goa that's what always happens I guess it's just that's the number one problem with the world it's crabs in a bucket yeah the number one problem with this world is people instead of being inspired they look to criticize people instead of looking at someone who works hard and does something amazing and and looking at their own life they find fault or they find weakness or they they they they find themselves not to add up not to measure up and so they get upset and instead of finding that inspirational and say you know what I do have a belly I do need to get to the gym you know what I do drink too much I got to stop doing that instead of that they just start [ __ ] on this one thing that causes them to feel insecure not even realizing that that one thing has the potential to empower them right now I don't know if I mean it could be what's going on but 100% those fat [ __ ] it's 100% what's going on it's 100% man I know it because I've felt those feelings I felt i' I've felt insecurity I felt jealousy I felt all that especially as a young man before I figured out how how to train my mind and how to embrace someone who's better than me and embrace someone who inspires me and look for it amongst my peers look for it even amongst my enemies I try to be inspired by people I don't even like you know I try to like if I find someone that I I think is uh like someone who's a a bad comedian who's a a joke Thief who's a but they work hard I try to take that aspect of them that works hard and only concentrate on that and and find inspiration in it because then they become valuable to me you know then I can see the negative aspect of their behavior and that becomes valuable to me because I realize it reinforces what's bad but then the good aspects of it whatever it is you could find just something in someone that you don't even
like you could find like something that they do M that that can inspire you right and you know I don't want to I get mostly all positive and um people inspire me they say that I've helped or motivate them and this and that that inspires me also to to it holds me accountable you know what I mean because now I've created this thing and it's what I love but it also holds me accountable like hey I got to keep I got to keep it up for for the people yes you know what I mean and um so that's I mean 99% of what I get is positive but it seems like you remember the 1% you got to train yourself to not do that that's that's mental training mental training as well as physical training believe me man I've gone through it and uh I what I say is it's like snake bite Venom like when a snake bites you if a snake bites you for the first time I mean you're [ __ ] you're you're sick you got to go to the hospital you got to get an anti venom you you're in a lot of trouble but if you just get a little bit of Venom little bit of Venom every day over time after a while the snake bites you and you're like [ __ ] get out of here ain't going to work Toler you develop the ability to understand what it is and I feel sorry for people when I just see ridiculous criticism I laugh like someone will come into my office sometimes like my wife's like what are you laugh I'm like ah some guy's making fun of me this is hilarious I just reading what they say about me makes me laugh if if I really thought they were right it would bother me right but if I you know if I have done what I need to do and I've done all the work and I I've assessed myself and I'm objective then I can find Folly in their weakness right yeah but you're an inspirational dude for sure cuz you inspired me uh I saw some of your videos I said I I like a guy who's going for things I like a guy who's it's not easy to run a ultramarathon it's not easy to take a 130lb rock put it in a pack and walk up to the top of the hill when I see people doing stuff like that I get like this it's like ramps up inside me and I I want to go work out I want to go do something I want to get [ __ ] done I think people you are really important those the the the type of people that do things like that they they provide energy for countless other people
whether you're aware of it or not you know I know that you did to me so I know that I'm not unique in that I know that other people who watch your videos feel the same way they get excited about it and you cause motion you cause you cause effort because of what you've done you get people excited and that inspiration actually causes things to to take place yeah well thank thanks uh this is you know it's what I love to do it's um and it's just preparing for crunch time basically getting out there and preparing to to be the ultimate Predator not not fail when all the pre you know like when we're filming for a TV show um there's a lot of pressure these hunts can be expensive you're traveling a long way away from your family there's a lot at stake there's a guy with you who's being paid there's a big investment so I don't want to I don't want to fail when it comes down to that moment not only for me but for other people who sacrifice so that's that's basically what the work's about and I think it's cool too that you feel that people are inspired by these things and it actually like motivates you to to ramp it up another notch to keep it going even further oh yeah no I I don't I haven't hit my ceiling you know I'm trying to get better every day just such a badass manly approach to life you know elk hunting with a bow and being an expert at that that's do you have a regular job y what's your regular job I'm supposed to be at work right now actually oh really you got off you you got a good boss no they say think I'm sick oh really they're going to find out this is this is a bad move then no no no um let's see yeah I'm a buyer for the local Water and Power Company back home so I've done that for 18 years so you do that 40 hours a week Y and so how do you find the time to do all this other stuff let's make it happen wow yeah it's just what I do so uh yeah I mean I you know how it goes I'm sure you've been there before where if if I don't get my workout in or if I don't do it I'm just in a bad mood you know what I mean because and uh so we just make time to make it happen and uh it's just what I do well there's the other part about working out about the bad mood part is that your body sort of develops this uh this habit of of pumping out energy right you know like when you get
in shape and you get your body like really fit and you get your body used to exerting these you know these big explosive burst of energy like lifting or Jiu-Jitsu or what whatever it is your body sort of like ramps up for that and then it's like Hey where's my release right you know like Hey we're ready to go hey we're ready to go why are we in a [ __ ] office man like what's going on here we're going to kill something I'm we're going to shoot a bow at somebody what's going on why can't I lift weights yeah hey hey this is kind of crazy and you you don't have that release and I think our bodies are probably designed for a certain amount of that being that we were you know for who knows how many thousands of years we were hunter gatherers and we essentially share the same DNA as those human beings that lived 30 40,000 years ago it's not much of a difference between us and them there's got to be a lot of the old reward the the the the reward mechanisms of life like still in our DNA and I think that people who don't exercise those reward mechanisms you're missing out on a lot of what it is to be a person a lot of what it is to be like excited by life it's um there's something like pretty intense about uh just fulfilling those reward mechanisms and I think hunting is one of those that I didn't realize until I started hunting I I really didn't realize like what an intense uh connection your your like your your your mind I want to say your spirit but that's the [ __ ] that's a word that's been hijacked by so many [ __ ] wearing crystals around their neck but it it seems like there's something in you that like it opens up this weird path that like oh you didn't even know this was there MH this this Predator path this path of connection to the animals connection to the wild world going out there and and getting an animal and eating it and and I don't even mean it in like a macho like look how cool I am way I I really mean it in a spiritual way there's this weird spiritual connection you have to the mother earth when it provides for you to the animals of the wild itself when you go out and you get one and then you you use it for sustenance MH yeah no and that's you know people who think it's just about getting meat like I heard I think you're talking with John hman he
didn't really understand hunting at all but uh you know did they think it's a kin to going to the store and buying a steak it couldn't be further from the truth I mean it's exact opposite of that really yeah you're you're getting meat and yeah you're eating it but it's the it's a connection it's the it's everything else that's that it's all about that's where the power comes from and uh Man without that I don't know I mean that's everything to me that's that's my life you know just gearing up for that is what I do so well I do a lot of exciting things I'm I'm a very fortunate person and whether it's standup comedy or whether it's uh working for the UFC um the things that I do I truly love doing and they're very exciting things I mean when when the UFC starts when the fights are going on I I never feel like I should be anywhere else like I'm I'm always very excited to be there hunting's even more exciting than that yeah that and it's it's accessible to everyone whereas like not everybody gets to be the commentator for the UFC lucky for me I'm the only one or you know there's a couple other guys that do it when I'm not doing it but they're not as good thank you very much appreciate that I I think a lot of them are really good but that's to me but you know what I'm saying it's like that's a a job that maybe five people on the planet get to do as far as do for MMA three in UFC but hunting is everybody can do it a lot of people can do it you know and you that's the other thing that I really like about your approach you go on public land you you you do it in the the national forests you do it in the areas where they're accessible to all these folks you can you can get a a tag just like everybody else you get your license just like everybody else and you go out there and you're not like doing one of these canned hunts this is uh this is this is really like the American wilderness that you're entering into yeah and that's you know you know I have done so I've had guides like when I go someplace where guides required Canada or or different places but uh where I basically n made a name for myself was in the wilderness by myself onto those solo hunts and you know to tell you the truth I was worried I think let's see I wrote an article is either 99 or 2000 I went with my buddy
South Cox he's from California here the dude should change his name no no he's a stud at least North Cox is like South's a stud yeah what the [ __ ] parents hate him or something why' you call him South Cox it's Cox oh whatever Courtney yeah so so uh we went and we both killed good bulls and I killed a buck also and I wrote this article about it and the the photos were awesome um the uh just the whole experience is good and I thought this is going to screw up my hunting because this is public land this is Eagle Cap Wilderness and uh this is probably the last time this hunting's ever going to be good because people are going to see this and they're going to want to do it and now where I didn't see anybody for years um there's going to be tons of people well next year came around went back in there there's nobody there and so you know I ended up writing a book about that type of hunting and still nobody was there and the bottom line is yes it's available to everybody but it's very tough and you near 12 miles from the nearest road and you're living off your back in some of the most unforgiving country there is that's just never easy and so people try it you I've taken I've taken friends back there who who I wanted to love it as much as I do and you know we're back there for a day two days and they're like dude I'm ready to go and uh I'm like what are you talking about you're ready this is this is how this is as good as it gets they're like um this is is isn't what I expected was going to be like my feet hurt yeah no and so the thing about it is just because you love it not everybody's going to love it and it's it's something that you can't make them no and so they see the photos they see the video they see the animals and they're like man that is awesome I want to do that too unless it's in you it's just going to be a struggle and so it is it is available but it's it's still tough it's like taking someone who's a rap fan to your favorite country concert mhm M and they're like Jesus what's wrong with you and you're like come on man yeah yeah no it's yeah it's got to be it's got to be yeah it's not for everybody well that's the beautiful thing about life there's a lot of choices there's so much variety there's so many different things that
you could be into the you know one of the real problems with life is people want you to be into what they're into right and if you're not into what they're into there's something wrong with you or if they're not into what you're into there's something wrong with you right you know but but the thing about that is I don't need anybody to be into it so I was just like so my buddy um Roy who I started hunting the Wilderness with he moved to Alaska and he's just a stud that he was my partner we we both like had the same mindset that there's no sacrifice too great we can't be in enough pain it doesn't even matter and he moved so I'm like okay I need to find I tried to find somebody to take and eventually I figured out there's nobody like Roy Roth so I'm just either going to quit hunting there or go on my own own and so I just was like it's you know it's on my own and so I just that's where I started doing the solo Wilderness hunts and uh um you know this like I said it's a good thing about you don't need anybody else people don't like doing it because you're so far out of your comfort zone we're so distracted with everything that's going on in the regular world that being in the wilderness where there's nothing is overwhelming for a lot of people it's just I mean it's it's difficult mentally yeah um just being alone in the wilderness is got to be like a very rare experience like people freak the [ __ ] out when they're alone in the wilderness that's a scary thing for them because they worry about getting trapped they worry about getting injured not being able to get out no one's going to be able to find them like if you don't have a satellite phone and a backup satellite phone and a handgun just there's a lot of fear involved in being in the actual wild itself yeah and they're they worry about stuff they make up stuff to worry about I mean just to just to give them a way out and so that was a bit and that was that was true for me too I mean it was overwhelming for me I didn't go back in there in the mountains for a 10day solo hunt right out of the gate I went for like one night like I went on a scouting trip and then stayed one night then came out and it just kind of baby steps into it because um it's you know if you if you pulled you know you know I don't know how many people there are
here in LA but how many people have stayed out overnight in the mountains by thems it's not going to be very many people I mean it's I don't know five yeah maybe I mean it's it's just not something people do in this day and age and so it's because it's you know it's you're out of your comfort zone but if you can do that and that's I I became good at that and actually then I I I I loved it I remember let's see was uh um let me think what I don't know what whatever I can't remember the year but I killed a 6×6 Bo elk by myself and it was my best bull and I got out of the Wilderness had this little Toyota four-wheel drive I had this this bull loaded up and I was just so pumped finally got cell service out on the highway and I'm driving home and uh I called my wife and I was like I was like hey Trace I killed a 6×6 Bull and she's like princess die died I'm like what she's like Princess D died I go who cares I killed a 6×6 Bull and it's just like I you so you know to everybody else Princess Diana dying was just like you know the world's going to stop but when you're back in the wilderness and you killed a 6×6 bull elk Nothing Else Matters and that's I just remembered that's the difference between living back there where it's just about am I going to find a place to sleep tonight am I going to be warm and we'll have food that's it that's all you care about well we're inundated by information these days we have like constant information coming at us from all around the world the seven billion people in the entire planet provide stories so anytime anything happens that's interesting or extraordinary or scary or disgusting you're going to hear about it and if you just sit in front of your computer like I do some days like some days man I get on Twitter and I just can't stop clicking I'm just like what that's not real oh my God it is real holy [ __ ] and I retweet it and and then you know like you you could lose your day your day it doesn't exist what you're doing is just in you're just collecting all this information from around the world but it's not your life your life is just Cameron Haynes Left Foot Right Foot Left Foot Right Foot what do I see through my eyes where you know who's around me where are my loved ones that's your real life that's it but
you know you're sitting and wondering about whether or not what if when you shot the arrow right as that Arrow hit that bull princess die died that would be [ __ ] that'd be crazy maybe somehow some way I killed her maybe yeah some look the stranger things have happened if you know if you believe in those things if you believe in uh the synchronicities of the world that would be crazy that would be that would be quite poetic if because if your wife's like plst I died and you're like yeah I know yeah right through the lungs it was a double lung she was in the form of an elk she was a spiritual elk right she she bugled and I I I shot one right through the lungs she was hot but not not as hot as that bull elk at that moment so it's I don't know I don't know maybe if that was like a like an 8 by9 bull elk it could have been her I don't think you're supposed to say she was hot I think it's she was Royal she's not really hot she has some Royal hotness you think so I think so not my type I don't think she get I don't think she could get down I thought I thought she was partying when she she died in the car wreck right well she was running away from the Press right wasn't it like a Paparazzi situation boyfri she was partying yeah she had a boyfriend right yeah was it was that what was up she was breaking up with Princess Charles and she was her life was in turmoil that makes her hot it's not my type I'm not into that kind of chick okay she she doesn't seem like she could get down but that's it's just me I mean all due respect rest in peace Mrs D yeah that's a thing though man people do really get caught up like my wife tried to tell me some stupid celebrity [ __ ] the other day and she was going on about some things can you believe that this said that and that's I'm like baby I don't give a [ __ ] I literally don't give zero I give zero [ __ ] like let's stop talking about this there's so much [ __ ] to talk about but those salacious gossipy things that gets people so it becomes so fascinating become overwhelming I'm guilty of it too man somebody put some threat on my uh message board the other day about uh it's probably [ __ ] but it might be true that Bill Clinton had an affair with Elizabeth Hurley did you see that
man I thought about that [ __ ] all day I thought about it all day I kept going back to the thread seeing what what recent what new developments first of I got two things out of that first of all Tom seore can't keep a [ __ ] secret whatever you do don't tell more who you're banging cuz that [ __ ] spills the beans don't trust heroin addicts with the truth that's one thing I'll write that down yeah trust me and the other thing is I think that Bill Clinton is the last of the Great American presidential dicks Slingers that's it Playboys it ends with him there's no you can't do that anymore we are going to be reduced to a SE not that there's anything good about being that guy because obviously he was kind of a creeper you know I mean he Bill Clinton was one of those weird guys that would just like whip it out on girls like if you talk to I didn't talk to but if you read some of the accounts of some of those women that were like really angry at him from Arkansas he would get alone with them and just whip it out there's him and Hurley for sure he hit that right God damn woo but that's it we're not going to have any more of those those guys no no and you're talking about different thing here's how how it uh affects me so people talk about well Obama did this this or that I'm like okay do I have to go to work tomorrow because if if I have to go to work tomorrow not much has changed in my life if I don't have to go to work for some reason then I'll start paying attention that's how that's how I figure it out well that's a good way to look at your own life and that's a good way to to manage your own life the problem of course is that this is supposed to be some sort of a community our our country is supposed to be some big giant community and the people that are running this community that are in charge of dictating the rules and the regulations are clearly screwing it up clearly this is not the optimum way to run any country I don't know if it's possible to optimally run a country with the mess that's been created before the people that got into power in power before before they got into positions of of of having any control there's probably so much bureaucracy and crazy [ __ ] behind the scenes as far as like
special interest groups and lobbyists and the the massive web is probably so deep you could never hack through it all clean it all up and and come up with some sort of a rational system so you got two options one you could obsess on it and work feverishly until your [ __ ] heart stops beating and then you die an angry person this system sucks boom and it po your heart blows in your chest and you fall down and [ __ ] your pants and and die in agony or you just live your life saying okay I'm gonna leave that [ __ ] to somebody else let them run it yeah and I'm gonna go wandering through the woods with pointy sticks I like your approach better well I think whoever is running the country they do a much better job if they were bow Hunters if they had been in the mountains and actually tried to survive and then maybe even killed an animal and and that was took it back to their family I think they'd probably be a better commander-in-chief I think that's probably true I think if they were martial artist they'd probably be a better commander-in-chief I mean I'm not a huge fan of Putin I think Putin is kind of a psycho but I respect the fact that he's a black belt in Judo and he is you know he's a real martial artist and he he sort of carries himself in that way like if Obama and Putin were going to throw down Putin would [ __ ] Obama up that bothers me that that disturbs me you know I I I wish my president could kick a little ass not that it's the most important thing in the world but supposedly he plays basketball whichever video I've seen that him playing basketball he looks like he sucks at that too so supposedly he plays pool and I I I'll [ __ ] give him the six out in the breaks anytime he wants to gamble let's do it let's do it Obama come on you got a spot I think um I think that any any like very very difficult thing that anybody does whether it's bow hunting or martial arts or anything where it's incredibly difficult to accomplish something it sort of separates the the the people that will quit from the people that figure out a way to succeed and that's really that that overcoming adversity is that's where character comes from and that's the things that we all admire and that shit's hardwired into US man the admiration of that like
just as simple as me watching your video of you carrying that rock up a hill I mean is it important that you carry that rock up a hill in the greater scheme of the universe no it's not but to me it was because to me that day I was like this motherfucker's doing some [ __ ] that I probably can't do right now and when you see that like makes you like I want to be able to carry Rock up the hill all right well if I'm going to [ __ ] start out with a 35 lb plate I'm carry that up the hill I'm going to work my way up to that big rock and that you know that inspiring each other and the the ability to push yourself to these incredible Heights is really one of the more exciting aspects of being a person it's one of the things that makes being a man or a woman I mean I guess being a woman I'm not a woman so I don't know I thought about it sometimes what it would be like um but it Mak it it it makes it gives you Thrills it gives you excitement it gives you like these these feelings of accomplishment when you achieve things there they're some of the the greatest moments in life and I feel bad for people that have never stuck their neck out I feel bad for people that have never taken chances not because they're less because they're not less they're just they haven't reached their potential it's not that their their potential is less I I feel like probably inside all of us we all have the potential for greatness in one way or another as long as we don't have any obvious physical problems we we didn't get dealt a terrible genetic hand of cards you know with a disease or something like that but if you don't have that I think all of us have potential we just I feel bad for people who don't at least attempt to reach a potential in some way yeah and that's you know for me I don't I didn't feel I don't feel like I'm any different from anybody else you know because I've been back in my early 20s I remember I signed up for a 10k race 6.2 Mi back home and quit I mean I always had been partying I was I don't know what 19 or 20 and uh just whatever not in shape and I'm like why am I doing this and stepped off the course and that I've never forget I'll never forget what that moment felt like being a quitter and that that was that is crazy but the point is is so if I've been that guy who
quit a six- mile race and I've come and now you know have done you know what I what I can do or what I finally believe or figured out I could do anybody can you know what I mean I'm not like crazy talented or or have all this ability that just is natural it's just but it's what i' what I'm doing and what I chase and what I work for every day and I've been able to achieve what some might consider you know big accomplishments and I'm just a regular guy you're a regular guy but you're you're a regular guy who puts it out there and when you put it out there that's what creates that energy that's what creates that inspiration that's what creates action because people will watch your video and go man I'm going to the [ __ ] gym and they'll go to the gym and they'll start lifting weights or they'll do whatever it is that they do that they they'll get inspired by your hard work they'll watch that video of you getting up early in the morning and going running when you don't want to and they see you tired everybody feels that everybody's seen that alarm clock go off or heard that alarm clock go off and like I do not want to get up now that everybody knows that feeling but it's overcoming that feeling it's developing that muscle of discipline where you look at that alarm you hit it and you just just get up you know I had an ex-girlfriend um back when I was fighting who uh she she used to get angry at the way I would get up because uh you know she had to work and I I I was a comedian I had you know a bunch of different like smalltime jobs but when I would get up I'd get up angry because I I had sort of I this thing that I would do in the morning like perform my morning workouts and I training I would the alarm clock goes up and I would get up like my life dependent on it so the alarm would go off I'd hit it and I'd just [ __ ] jump out of bed like the house is on fire because I was like that's the way to do it because anything else is weak right like I had a a real problem when I was young like I didn't want I I was so crazy when I was comp I competed in martial artarts from the time I was like 15 till I was 22 that's all I did MH and um I I was so crazy that I thought it was weak to want sex that like wanting sex with my girlfriend was like a weakness and that pleasure was a
weakness wanting to taste good food was a weakness and so I was I was [ __ ] crazy I was completely crazy but I would that alarm clock would get up that alarm clock would go off and I would get up angry I would get up angry and Urgent and that's how I'd wake up I'd just wake up instantly we got to go and I'd get my shoes on and do my run or whatever I did that day in the morning and you know she would go will you [ __ ] stop doing that you [ __ ] drive me crazy you get up I think the house is on fire or something like that yeah she she's overacting got rid of that [ __ ] got a better one it wasn't she was overacting I was [ __ ] crazy I wouldn't have wanted to hang out with me when I was 19 I was a [ __ ] Maniac but you know that that's probably better than hitting that [ __ ] snooze button 10 times in a row yeah you know the developing the discipline the the muscle of discipline I I I get that through inspiration I get that through knowing that they're like watching a video of you seeing that alarm clock go off knowing that you're tired getting up and working out like you you uh instagrammed a picture from Vegas when you were at the SHOT show you're looking totally exhausted and you're lifting weights I'm like [ __ ] yeah he's doing it that's what you got to do you're not you don't want to lift weights good go lift weights you know you're tired there's always always an excuse [ __ ] yeah there's always an excuse but when you get through it you realize like it's life is a lot of times not about do what you want to do life is about doing what you what you're supposed to do or what you should do and then knowing that when you want to do it it'll be even easier then MH yeah no I you know that's part of my my routine and people always ask well so what do you do what's your you know routine for getting sh what's I'm like it's real simple actually I got it on my shirt right here LIF run shoot I lift run shoot every day well what about okay so every day every day you don't take Sundays off nothing every day you don't take a day off a week for anything every day wow that's me I take [ __ ] days off every day to the bottom I take days off son I like days off and people I people post
hey I would like days off too but I can't do it I just can't can't do it mentally no can't do really that's interesting yeah but and people this one guy I remember he posted on my I don't know where it was Facebook I think he's like he's like yeah you know I've been following you for a long time but you know everything you're doing now it's just too much like too much what too much for who too much for you or too much for everybody and so that was like my whole thing is now I want to I want to be the guy who does too much cuz how do you do too much right right right too much for I mean who determines is there a counsel that says okay it's been determined you're doing too much so I know what you mean yeah yeah well we what we used to think is too much is now the norm right you know I mean if you stop and look at like as far as like exercise like think about like what people used to do for exercise now what people do now like no one trains harder than MMA fighters right and MMA fighters the you know if you deal with a guy like say uh you know George St Pierre or Jon Jones they're training twice a day at least at least at least twice a day and they'll take off recovery days or uh like Randy Coture used to take very few uh off days he would do what he would call Active recovery so instead of wrestle lift weights maybe he would go mountain biking you know maybe he would do something like you know something like where he's moving he's getting some exercise in it but he would do like what do you would call an active recovery day maybe go hiking you know it would still work but you're forcing your body to understand that your body this is what you do dude this is what your body does yeah and it might I mean for those guys especially and it might be for one minute mhm their fight might be over in a minute yeah could be so they're doing all you know like I watched Uriah the other night I know how hard he works and first round over yep that very that was a very unfortunate ending too um and and it was very unfortunate for URI in a lot of ways first of all he went into that camp um right after the McDonald fight fight and he had an injured knee and an injured hamstring entering into the brow fight so he had a pulled muscle in his hamstring a partial tear and uh his knee was [ __ ] up so he couldn't wrestle so
not the most Optimum conditions to be fighting not just for a world title but against easily one of the four baddest [ __ ] to walk the face of the planet that hen Barra is he is a beast yeah that kid is so good and he hit yah with one leg kick early in the fight you see yah leg give out you see that like that limp that there's a limp that a guy gets when you know that Shin really slammed into the meat of the muscle there's this like Stutter Step that they give I was like oh boy yeah long long night for Uriah and then he got tagged yeah even worse that unfortunately he got Steve renella do you know Steve Rella yeah hey man I'm doing a [ __ ] podcast with Cameron hes I'll call you back yeah dude D calling me he wanted to get he wanted to get on there yeah probably he's like listen this guy's full of [ __ ] you need a 60 lb bow and that's it this guy's a maniac stop all your lifting this dude's a goddamn billy goat we went pig hunting uh two weeks ago and uh you know just following him up the hills Jesus he doesn't get tired yeah he's he's he's has no muscle mass you know he's just thin guy but he can go for days for days he just doesn't get tired you know I was I was shocked when we were uh in Montana because I'm in pretty good shape but I would F him up these Hills and i' be like and he'd be like nothing not not even breathing heavy yeah that that's what really got me onto this idea of uh of exercise and hunting being together and that hunting is a difficult thing is that you karing this uh yeah look at the horns on that thing oh my God those antlers are giant doing lunges there is that what you're doing no no you're just picking it up that's a good way to do it though right yeah now is that is there any exercise that you do specifically to deal with the fact that you've got so much weight on your back because when you're packing out like that and you we talk about the rock yeah but I mean what I'm saying is to compensate for that not just doing that and carrying the rock but is there any other like do you do like um like those Roman Chair exercises or something to strengthen your lower back because it seems like like your core and a lot of uh a lot of the of your back are really taxed your spine carrying a lot of weight on you on a pack like that well I mean I'm working
core all the all the time from planks to all the lifts that I do to shooting a bow is can be core you know I mean you're hold trying to hold steady you're you're engaging your core so yeah I do in running the mountain so whether I have the rock or not I'm running that mountain and when you're on an uneven Trail and you're juking around and stepping in Holes you know you're engaging your core so and then of course we do you know different regular lifts uh dead lifts and whatever else so I don't know try to mix it up yeah I would I would imagine that there's a a lot of crazy muscle groups involved and not just carrying that uh that rock out but just in shooting that bow do you balance out your body because you're pulling so hard on your right side do you ever pull your bow just with your left side just to to balance it out M no I just I think the lifting helps that you know I mean cuz lifting is pretty much you're engaging both sides equally so the bow the bow just is what it is I probably I probably am a little unbalanced but you wouldn't be able to tell but just from you know 27 years of doing it or whatever it's been yeah uh my friend Steve Maxwell who's a pretty famous strength and conditioning expert uh he work he works with a lot of people that have imbalances like kickers in the NFL right and he gets them to kick with the opposite side and one of the things that they found is that when you use your weaker side um like say if you have a strong side they found this with jiu-jitsu as well it actually enhances your ability on your strong side so um if you uh I I find that playing pool too I shoot pool left-handed sometimes like if I'm playing my daughter or if I'm playing someone who sucks I'll shoot pool left-handed and then sometimes when left-handed comes up like there's a shot that I can't reach right-handed I I shoot it left-handed and if I practice left-handed then my right hand becomes better because I'm concentrating I have to concentrate so hard to use my left hand cuz it's all like conf it doesn't know how to move right it's all goofy it's not thinking right and my right hand just Falls right into place they say that it using your weak side actually enhances your strong side using your your less dominant side yeah I I
don't know if I could shoot a b that I mean I know you could don't say you couldn't you could 100% I'll bet everything I own that you could shoot a bow left hand the only difference in between that is you know you have your dominant eye yes right so to shoot left-handed I'd have to use what isn't my dominant eye have to use my left eye to aim yeah I don't think that'd be a problem you know what I started doing recently at the range I started shooting left-handed because I was shooting so many rounds with my right that I was [ __ ] up my right shoulder oh really the 300 wind mag I I was slamming that thing into my shoulder so many times I was like let me just [ __ ] shoot a bunch of rounds Lefty that's why rifle honey is bad because the the the the the shock the impact just get a muzzle break too noisy it's definitely noisy but I got these cool uh earphones that you listen to um they're um they're they they cancel the sound out except talking like the sound of gunshots gets muffled radically but I could hear you loud and clear if you're talking to me like it actually I can hear you louder than I could with my ears it actually enhances the sound yeah my friend Justin who's a gun nut told me about them they're they're incredible Justin martinell no no this different that that that he's a different kind of gun nut Justin call it Justin marale is a different kind of gun nut yeah but he is a gun [Laughter] nut science M but um I found that like shooting Lefty like practicing left-handed it made me like so happy that I could go back to right-handed because I was so much better at it you know I think that if you uh well you're so good at shooting bow and arrow anyway but if you did start shooting leftand that I bet it would make your right hand better yeah maybe have you ever thought about getting Hoy to make your left-handed bow I think they do it let's do it let's tell call Hoy up I just want to thank uh you and Hoy for bringing me this awesome bow Hoy which is one of the best bow manufacturers on Earth brought uh this ho carbon spider turbo for me and it is amazing we shot a couple shot we actually have a little bit of a archery setup back here in the back of
the uh studio so we shot a couple of targets with it but this bow is sick yeah I have one just like like it it's amazing man it's really really awesome feels great I bought I brought the factor this yeah yours is 90 lbs mine the one you brought me is 70 lbs which makes me feel like a little girl I have to ramp it up yeah that thing's incredible I was amazed at how hard that is to pull back too that's really hard yeah I mean it's like you know it really is like doing a 90 lb row you know yeah I know it's and it's a lot of its technique you know you want to push at the left pull with the right but yeah it's got a lot of power that's um I built that or had them build that for me to hunt those uh water buffalo in Australia and then I'm going to use it in Africa on k Buffalo too yeah Jamie had that video up Jamie pull that video up so you can see that uh water buffalo there's a it's a long stock a long patient stock on this Buffalo and I would imagine you would want to get a bunch of trees between you and him just in case [ __ ] got hairy and you had a duck behind one of those trees yeah the thing about this so these animals here is they kept they catch movement so if if they're not looking while you're moving they don't they can't pick that up so it's about going slow and then if he looks of course I stop so it's just about it's like right here so I stop because his head's up and so he can see out of his eye I'm not moving now he puts his head down and one thing that I that I figured out on these things is they might put their head down and pretend like they're eating but really they're looking so you got to be able to tell he'll have his head but if he's not ripping grass side to side he's not eating he's just testing me so he might have maybe picked something up but he put his head down but his mouth wasn't moving so I just stop I'm like okay you're trying to you're trying to catch me here but um as long as they don't see you move you can you can walk right up right there and I get to 40 I'm not sure what we're filming here but we get to 46 yards and uh the crazy thing about this is is I wanted to let his his leg go forward so I can slip that arrow in as his legs forward opening up his vitals and I waited too long and you can watch this arrow and it Clips a tree in
between me and it and it hit the arrow hit a little lower than what I wanted because it hit that tree but because I have you know 90 lbs and so much force it was it ricocheted caught a little bit of energy from that tree was lessened but it still went in and heart shot on that Buffalo yeah here it is when you're shooting yeah so watch watch that tree the the curved one so I want his leg to go forward and oh so you barely barely barely caught that but if I would have had less poundage that could have so right there it's that's a heart shot on him and he has no idea what happened so he's taking off and their vitals that looks like a bad shot like if you were hunting elk that would be too forward and too low but on those that's where the that's where the the heart is so you have to know basically yeah it's a little bit different on those animals than what we're here in North America and so you see he's going to run into a tree here he's pretty wobbly and so I don't know how many seconds this was but you got a 2,000lb animal with just a razor sharp stick and he's down in you know a minute maybe a minute and a half that's that's a lot quicker than they're ever going to die in natural habitat on their own no doubt and that's one thing that people need to understand when you're talking about animals and hunting animals uh and you know people that are opposed to it they need to understand first of all that in order to you to do proper conservation to take care of these animals to make sure that the herds the population is strong you have to call some of the animals you have to because otherwise they're going to die of starvation they're going to you know they're going to get diseased there's there's a lot of issues involved if you're not introducing predators and then if you introduce predators to take care of the population well then you got a whole another problem obviously and uh and they're actually seeing that right now in parts of this country with uh with Wolves when they reintroduced wolves I mean they're they're really ramping up wolf hunting now in Idaho oh yeah no because the wolves are just tearing up elk yeah and it's yeah decimating populations yeah and you know like in
Australia there um there's no Predators so those Buffalo they're there's too many of them right now there's no limit on Buffalo you don't need a tag you don't need a license they just want them killed because they're they're not native those are Asian water buffalo so they were brought over to Australia they're not native and so there's so many of them where there once was water and there's fish and all sorts of things now it's just basically a a mud hole because those Buffalo get in there and you know they they piss in there they do live in there killed everything so they tear up uh the habitat they tear up the W they ruin the water source and so now they just want them killed so when I was over there I killed three of those big old things and you could kill 20 of them if you want they they need them gone wow that's the same thing with New Zealand as well right New Zealand has an issue with non-native species yeah yep yep that's you know you know there's only a I don't know there's tons of non-native species in uh Australia I think let's see the guy who was with Adam Green Tree he killed a it's not a dingo but it's uh sort of like a dingo but it's not a pure bread cuz those are protected but uh see like kangaroo look how yolked he is yeah kangaroo is following the Cameron haes program look at him I would not want to tangle with that kangaroo man that's you don't need to be that Jack to be a kangaroo see he's he's wasting his time he's getting crazy no but uh yeah so it's it was it was good getting over there and seeing different animals and and learning from uh let's see Adam green tree and Owen strell were over there and they've awesome bow hunters and uh you know getting to new country is just what I love do yeah and the non-native species thing is a fascinating thing to me because uh that's what we're dealing with in North America with the wild hogs that have been introduced you know they were introduced with the Europeans and they've run rampant all throughout I mean California we were in uh tone Ranch where I went uh hunting with renella and they have 50,000 hogs on this one Ranch I mean it's they're [ __ ] everywhere it's insane you see these herds of them oh and they tear they I mean they're rooting around tearing up ground yeah and they breed all year round they're
just constantly making babies and so there's uh there's certain ranches in uh California in Southern California they're they're begging people to come on their Ranch and kill Hogs you know in Texas famously they they're they're shooting them out of helicopters yeah I mean they they actually have companies that take people on helicopter hog hunts and that's what they're all about they just fly around they find the Hogs and they're shooting them out of the sky and part of it is novelty and in that you know you get to hunt from a helicopter but part of it is necessity like you can't get to these damn things you to reduce the number somehow yeah non the non-native species thing is very fascinating to me and you know just the the understanding of of population control is one of the things that I've really become fascinated by with by getting into hunting understanding what the fish and wildlife what they have to go through in order to to figure out like what how many tags to give out what what the numbers are that they need to uh where they need to let animals recuperate where they need to to to go in and take some of them and reduce them it's a a fascinating thing and one of the most efficient programs in our country as far as like you want to talk about like government programs well fishing Wildlife is a government program but damn it's effective effective and efficient because it's run by actual hunters and fishermen and outdoorsmen yeah no and and the thing about you know hunting people still if you're not a hunter it's hard to understand or some people still don't understand why in the stain age you need to hunt well you know like I I work with the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation they're the number one conservation group out there and they've they've helped protect habitat I think over 6 million Acres now of habitat for Elk so that's from Hunter Hunter dollars you know conservation groups so Hunters the money we pay for tag and license and and everything else to use to be in in out there hunting with the weapon that's what goes into helping these animals you know elk numbers now have never been higher that's yeah we're hunting them but we're also paying and uh contributing to the health and habitat and for elk and other wildlife and that's that's what people don't
understand without putting a value on those animals then that's where I don't know that's that's where everything goes sideways but because we value them we're willing to pay money and help and we got outfits like the rocky M Foundation just do amazing work for us yeah I know what where their mindset I know I understand where they're coming from the people that are anti-hunting um it's they they're coming from kindness I mean they don't want you to kill these cute animals they don't want you they they they feel like it's a cruelty thing or that it's an evil thing to go out to Nature and find these beautiful things and shoot them and kill them I understand the mindset yeah but it like many things in life is not nearly as cut and dry as everybody body wants to to paint it everybody wants to depict it it's it's a far more complex and complicated issue and they have a hard time believing that someone could have a deep love for Animals while still hunting them right no it's a I don't you know I don't think anybody could respect a bull elk more than I do you know maybe the same but it's I think about elk hunting every single day and those bows are man once I don't know I dreamed about killing a 6×6 bull elk or I first of all I didn't know if I had What it Took I was like am I good enough or am I tough enough or can I even do this I mean maybe I can't maybe I'm not even capable of it because I I could kill some animals I killed a spike bull I killed some smaller Bulls but a 6×6 bull mature herd bull is what every Hunter dreams of and for folks who don't know what you're saying 6×6 means six on their aners six points on each side this is an enormous animal yeah for folks who don't understand you're talking about aners antlers that are bigger than my arms yeah longer and and thicker even than my arms okay so I killed a 6×6 bull this year in Colorado or in 2013 and it was about 10 years old so to do that he's been through 10 hunting seasons he's you know endured 10 Winters I mean tough tough animal and so for a long time I didn't know if I had if I had what it took and that was the that when I finally did do it is when Princess D died like I said and so that was when I when I called it was just like all I can think about is I finally proved to myself I could do it and
that's a that's powerful that was the first time that you'd ever done it there there's one right there yeah that's more that's more than a 6×6 that's a that's a that's a monster looks like he's got an extra tin in there but uh pull up a video of elks bugling I know we played one of those before just so people can hear it because there's one on my uh on my YouTube from Colorado this year and the Bulls coming up the hill bugling and it's so loud oh yeah what is that what what's the you know the name of the video um should be something Colorado um cam in Colorado or something like that well Jamie will find it but the that animal itself the the elk is is almost like a mystical animal to me because if you've heard one I've heard one call before and we were in um Mount reineer mm we actually weren't even hunting we were looking for bigfoot I was there with my friend Duncan you didn't find him dude we found them I just like to keep secrets I'm not like Tom seore I'm not all blabby no we um um it was it was for the Sci-Fi show that I did called Joe Rogan questions everything and uh can you hear it yeah if you go to like like eight or nine eight or nine minutes yeah let's see can we can we hear the oh yeah yeah yeah oh no this is where I took a celf of a bull coming in no it's past that maybe yeah May right in there yeah yeah turn can you can we oh there we go listen to this how far away is that right now he's about 70 that's him that's so weird yeah listen to this and that's a carbon spider turbo that's a 80 lb that's not a carpon that's a spider turbo that's before model before that is amazing dude that will just put the hair on the back of your neck wow and so you have this scope in your hand that's a spotting scope that shows you the distance is a distance range finder range finder wow so he he's about 18 yards right here but he's going to get the wind so I have to try to stop so I did that with my mouth I'm trying to stop him before he smells me so he Spooks right here and he goes to about 25 right here I'm my son Tanner's filming oh right there so it's a perfect shot and you'll see here's how you see
how lethal a bow is he's bleeding on the other side yeah Arrow went clear through wow he probably doesn't even know what the [ __ ] just happened no he's he's looking for a bull he hears that other bull is bugling he just got in a fight with a bull now he's like he doesn't feel so good wow so that's it that's uh that's an animal seven times bigger than you yeah and that was just with a a sharp stick basically and that's so that's what you dream of as a Bo every bow hunter dreams of that and how many of those have you ever killed oh I don't know probably 30 wow dude you must have the most ridiculous freezer at home yeah no the freezer's full definitely what kind of a freezer do you have do you have like one of them walk-in freezers I have two just two freezers two big giant freezers yeah in the garage yeah and it's full of bear and elk and everything else you probably never have to go to the supermarket for meat right no we still like a good beef steak every once in a while you know I I buy uh I buy my um beef from Adam lar roach he's uh he he has a ranch in Kansas and it's just you know the beef is raised no steroids or no it's just free range and that's where I buy my meat from he's U he's another Hunter it's on a show Buck commanders he plays for the Washington Nationals and is it uh all grass-fed yeah yeah I mean it and it's as good as it gets the farm that we hunted on in um Wisconsin this year is my friend Doug Doug durran and uh he actually has cows on his farm as well and raises some grass-fed gave us some of the beef it was delicious amazing people don't realize man when you're feeding cows these these diets that are unnatural to them giving them corn they all all fat and [ __ ] like I was at a restaurant the other day they tried to give me some of that Wu beef they're like it's our finest beef might get that sloppy fat stupid animal away from me drunken animal yeah no that's what is they they get them drunk off beer they're feeding them beer and fattening them up when you're not supposed to have all that fat like in that marbling you get a nice grass-fed steak and it's it's you know it's very lean it's darker it's a deeper red it's more like a game
animal yeah it's not as lean as elk and no um and but like you said eating uh is that Steve calling again texting should shut this [ __ ] thing off silly Steve yeah how dare he but I've been in Colorado in that High Country there and that's about 11,000 ft that's up in the mountains and I killed a bull I don't know I think it was three years ago and we cut out the back strap built a fire and cooked it I actually put it on one of my arrows cuz my arrows are aluminum and cooked the backstrap uh skewered on an arrow over over a fire and I don't care where I've eaten or the food I've eaten it would never be better than that right there in the mountains killing or eating an animal I just killed it was amazing yeah we did that in Montana we had uh liver and uh we ate liver and heart that we had killed two hours ago and we uh we cooked it up at the campfire we were all just like oh this is incred it's so good yeah and the the The Taste it's so vibrant too like the the taste of Elk elk is an extremely delicious animal it's uh it's got a really unique flavor to it yeah almost sweet right well and it's just you know so I was I was cutting that backstrap on a rock dirty hands just a knife that I'd gut it away it's just like so whatever um I don't even know how you'd describe it but it's just I don't know it just feels like that's that's how it's meant to be that's almost how I it feels like I'm meant to live you know it's just out there living in the in the mountains and I don't know just powerful even not killing an animal there's something to me about the mountains that's insanely appealing um I I just I love being in the mountains it gives you this weird I i' it sounds like very hippie but I believe that when you are in these areas like when you were in a mountain and there's all these trees and there's a river or stream or whatever I feel like there's energy coming out of the trees and there's energy in that hill and then these these life forms these these plants that grow there in the wild and the these vibrant things that have existed without any human assistance whatsoever and we'll be here probably long after we're gone there's there's something to them where when you're in that environment you feel it you might not even know you feel it but sort of like you don't know when
you're breathing smoggy air you just Brea in smoggy air and then you get to a mountain you get that Mountain Air and you're like like wow this is different and then you're around those those plants I feel like I mean it's not like they're communicating with you but I feel like they give off a Vibe yeah I that wasn't after you smoked a bunch of pot was it I ate a bunch of pot smoke pot no even Stone Cold silver man but that the pot would definitely enhance no I I believe that too you know I've I've been there's this place I used to go and Camp by myself in the Eagle Cap and it was just like on this rock shelf looking over this huge Canyon and um so I was I was sleeping there one night and uh you know stars are out and just before dark I'd glassed about 300 yards away a bunch of Big Horn Rams and you know sheep are just like the Holy Grail of hunting right and so I was watching these sheep and it's just like just so I don't know it's so amazing that moment so I went to bed uh my bivy sack there and I woke up in the morning the Sheep were still there except there was one less and I'm like what where the heck that other Ram went well I went over there and and found a lion had killed a ram the night before and so I found this leg I'm like oh okay well here's one reason why he wasn't with them but it's just like those those Rams they're feeding uh one got killed by a lion they're still there feeding nothing had changed I mean the wind was still blowing the they were still feeding but one was gone and it just to me it's just like man he I could die back here nothing nothing changes I mean you are just you really figure out how you fit in nobody nothing cares back there it's just like that's just the way it goes there's life and death and nothing in the wilderness changes and that just to me that was powerful you know you feel you really feel um how you fit in and it's humility you don't have much of an impact really you know who needs to feel that who's that Kanye West you to take that [ __ ] bow hunting there you go take him bow hunting and why he's in his little tent and he hears yeah here's some mountain goat get taken out well I think a lot of people could benefit including Kanye almost everybody could benefit but have you
ever had any encounters with mountain lions um let's see I've had a shot at one I've never killed one I've never been with dogs you know hunting Lions so it's just kind of been on happen chance but um I was still in that same country and I was walking on the top of this cliff and I was looking down at the Rocky Mountain the goats I have you ever seen a goat it's a white with the little black horns mhm well they live up in notoriously steep country so I'm up on top of this Cliff looking down at the goats and I was just by myself sneaking along and I look up further down the down the cliff and there's a lion standing there watching the same goats so I was hun I didn't have a tag for the goat so I was just kind of watching them they only give one tag for that area it's really really tough to get but still they're just awesome animals and um so I look down and there's a lion watching the same goats and you could see they if those goats get too high they get killed by the lion so they kind of stay a little lower it doesn't they they figure it out but that Lion's just waiting for one to make a mistake well I was just seconds from being able to get a shot CU I had a lion tag mountain lion and uh you you guys can't hunt him here but we can hunt him in in Oregon but not not with dogs but uh I seconds from getting a shot and right before he looked at me and um took off so I've seen that lion um I've uh I saw a lion chasing a cow elk back there they're they're uh nocturnal you just don't see many lions out in daylight unless they're hunting like that but um I've seen them do you hear them like when you're camping um yeah they may yeah you you know I may not have known what it was but uh they do make a a noise unlike any you've ever heard you know and that's lying and can just what it sound I don't know it'd be hard to describe but uh shot no I can't I can't do it can't do a line impression no I can't do it is it no not like that no deeper yeah it's a no that's more like a bear but uh yeah I don't know but you know something creepy yeah something cre right exactly something that you like that's weird have you ever seen the photo of the uh The Lion and the ram dead on the the road where they had fallen off the cliff where the The Lion and the ram were
duking it out yeah and uh apparently they they both went over the edge yeah that to me is one of the most powerful photographs of the struggle of nature the the tooth Fang and Claw of the Wilderness and that happens all the time you just you just don't have pictures of it you CU it's not on a road right but uh yeah that's they deal with that all the time both of them deal with that all the time yeah and you know it is what it is yeah nothing Chang find that picture Jamie it's a crazy picture yeah this is the picture yep the series of them the two of them lying down on the road I mean that is such a powerful photograph yeah it just makes you realize like what an insane struggle it is to try to be surviving as an animal in the wilderness and see look that's all snow piled up there you know it's cold it's I mean they're out there 365 days a year trying to survive so that's why I think about I I think about what they go through when I'm working out and it's just like they're so much tougher I mean we're such so weak as a society you know we're used to laying on the couch watching TV having everything while a bull elk is laying out there in the rain and the snow and the whatever getting so tough so I always think about there's this gap between me and and a bull I need to close that Gap because it's just getting wider and wider every day for most you know so if you can close out if I can get tougher and tougher and tougher I'm going to be more on an equal playing field and be more of a predator like a lion you know what I mean or a wolf how did you decide to specialize in Elk um is just the biggest animal near you in Oregon yeah it's just like you know it was probably the most respected an Regal animal that I could afford to hunt you know I didn't for when I first started hunting we bought a a deer tag it was like 1150 I couldn't even afford an elk tag because they were 25 bucks I was like $25 there's no way I'm ever going to hunt elk and uh so that's just the way it was didn't have any money and then once I could afford elk um it was that year that uh that I killed that one with the bow and um you know so I'm in at like 30 bucks I'm like I need to get my money's worth out of this thing between to you know I think it went up a little bit so it was 2750 or something
like that but um yeah that was it there was just it was just the biggest most respected animal a bull elk is just like man you know I could never dream of hunting sheep at that time or um Buffalo or whatever so it was elk and Elk I mean if you got 500 lb of meat off an animal what is that worth MoneyWise I mean that what a bargain for a $25 tag get 500 pounds well obviously you have to pay for your equipment and your time and your food and everything you get out there it doesn't pencil out doesn't pencil out no once you once you figure out the time and you know you look at these bows right here these are you know shoot by the time you get this bow set up here with arrows and everything else it's like 2,000 bucks so you don't want to pencil it out that it's not it's not about the the value of it you know what I mean so uh it's just about more about just the experience and why did you decide to go to Australia to shoot these water buffalo just for the experience of it yeah just um I wanted it you know it's like when I'm not hunting I don't know just being in my office working at my regular work I feel like I'm dying basically do you really yeah I just feel like what your boss is listening right now you know that right like what the [ __ ] cam thought you like it here no I I do like it we like you in the office you're dying yeah well I mean I like it there damage control sorry boss Hey listen man I felt like I was dying when I was doing Fear Factor I know what you're talking about no but I just feel like that's not what I'm what you want to do meant to do it's just I just need I need uh I need to be outside I need to be you know challenged and so I'm like God what can I do and so came out um it was in December just you know recently and I'm like I want to go do something I've never done so Hoy hooked me up with Adam down there in Australia and I wanted to do actually when I first um decided to go there it was it was just going to be to give away a bow what I do with the bows after I get done shooting them for the year is I hold these contests and it's like wi cams bow and I just say um if you want to win my bow from last year show up at this time and beat me at any challenge beat me the challenges I put out there and you can have my bow and so I was just going to
do a win a bow in Australia because I have so many people that order my shirts and hats and and everything else from down there I'm like I need to get down there and see these people you know I just wanted to I just felt so much support down there oh that's cool yeah so I asked Hoy I said I want to do a winnabow down in down there can you help me set it up you know with the Pro Shops or the archery shops down there so it just kind of turned into a hunt at the same time I'm like yeah I'll do a hunt also so that was what I did the hunt then I did the wind cams bow contest and it just tied it all together and what was the the contest what did they have to do to win your bow um they had to beat me at running uh well so we ran then we did push-ups then we did pull-ups and then we did a 100 yard shot so if you beat me at those you get my bow all three they have to beat you at all of them four four all four of them yeah and then if nobody so what if they only beat you at three of them no then I pound sand next no then I get to choose who I give it to so I give it away either way I mean I'm I'm not like no you guys suck I'm taking my bow home no I just then I get so the thing is I'm going to give it away to somebody if somebody beats me at all that it's no questions it's your bow and if nobody does I choose out of the contestants and so I ended up giving it to this uh 13-year-old girl there and um I just liked her heart you know it was 100 degrees and like 100% humidity it was just brutal and uh we were running we ran 12 laps around this uh uh like a I think it was a cricket field but it's about you know a 5k like 3.1 miles and so we were running in a nobody beat me at that but she was just out there grinding and sweating and hot and just showing a lot of heart then she did the pull-ups and of course didn't win the pull-ups and she did push-ups and then at the 100 yard shot she made an awesome shot I mean she wasn't the closest but made a good shot at 100 yards at this 3D bull elk and uh you know there's other people who beat her there but I didn't think anybody showed as much heart as she did so I gave her the bow and you know it was an 80lb bow so obviously I don't know I told her I said you don't need to keep it you can sell it and buy clothes you can do whatever you want
with it the point is is your effort to me won this bow today that's cool man and it's up to you that's really cool now when you um went out there uh hunting the water buffalo you camped out there you camped out there in the bush yeah there was there's actually uh we stayed in this Village from the Aborigines they were we thought they were going to be there but there's actually nobody there and uh we had to hunt it's called a traditional land native land you have to get permission from the Aborigines to hunt it and what I was told is probably only 50 white men had ever been there just because it's it's wild country it's just where they live but nobody's in the village and we don't know why it was abandon or whatever you know some I guess if an elder dies they will leave they think there's bad spirits in the village so they just leave everything and take off so we don't know for sure why it was empty but we were just there by ourselves and we just basically slept on the porch of this Hut out there and uh we didn't Adam who I who I was went out there with he was like you know when we we took a helicopter out there's the only way to get there was a 4-Hour helicopter ride and uh I said we want to get any food he's like he wases I think it'd be better if we just lived off the land and I'm like okay that's yeah that's cool I didn't know what was out there for sure turns out there's not much so that was that was not the best idea to try to live off the land luckily another guy uh Owen went and he did bring some food but still we didn't have hardly have any food I mean I had a granola bar and I had some trail mix from the airport and uh Adam had a granola bar and then Owen he brought some apples and oranges and stuff like that but all that stuff was gone fast and we were out there five full days it was 120° fah out there and the water was like it looked like this coffee I mean because of BU the Buffalo lived in it and they just piss and [ __ ] oh yeah just nonstop so you know we would we would have to treat that water oh you drank that water there's nothing else oh my goodness no so it was a process what does Buffalo piss taste like exactly it's you know surprisingly it's not that good now do you put it through filter do you do you boil it like we here's what
we did first we poured it through our shirt okay to try to get the big chunks out right like I Owen brought back some water one time and he's like what does this smell like and I was just like oh my God smells like Buffalo piss and you knew you're going to have to drink that yeah so we poured it through the shirt then we did it through a pump Adam had a pump and then he had a sterin what kind of pump what do you mean a pump a water you know it's for filtering water okay yeah I don't know what kind it was but it it filters through like a pump system yeah you like a carbon right yeah it's a filter that's supposedly cleans water so then we had a sterup pin which is a UV light that also cleans the water and so we had the shirt the filter the St a pin and then he's like okay so we got all that now what does it smell like and it's in like a a cup like this and I was like oh my still smells it smelled no different so we drank that oh my God like that looks like that like it was no boiling it nothing oh my God she drank straight Buffalo piss and [ __ ] too right what about the the bacteria and you know like that stuff that you get like when you drink uh stream water what's that called it's real common Gardia yeah Jia what about that well that's what that stuff was supposed to kill or take out wow yeah so Adam he was he like took a drink of it and he was kind of went into convulsions a little bit he's like he's like my body's rejecting it and uh it is just nasty oh but and then then there was another time so we we found this uh we found some hamburger patties that were from the natives there they had the freezer actually the government or whoever it is comes in there and they put Power and and water their solar power cuz it's so you know it's hot and sunny down there so um there was a freezer and it had some Hamburg hamburger patty so we stole those and we're cooking those up so we're down to like one last Patty and I had it I took it cuz I had no food and I had it in my trail mix bag cuz I had no more trail mix so I had it in there and I had one cooked hamburger patty and I remember we're sitting there and we just drank a a big old vat of Buffalo piss water and I'm like man you know what would go good with this is that hamburger patty so end up my backpack and I pull out my trail mix with the hamburger bag with a
hamburger patty in it and it's just solid ants I mean ants are all filled up and it's just not like regular little cool black ants like we have here it's just red mean whatever ants and just all over in my backpack all over that Patty but so all I did I just blew off scraped them off blew them off the hamburger patty and ate it why don't you just eat the ants too I should have yeah totally gangster I mean you drink it Buffalo P might as well eat some ants but but you know here's the thing is you know experiences like that is that's where you appreciate you know I don't know how good we have it because you you realize all it all that matters is you has something to drink and something to eat that's it yeah you have to keep your body alive and there's no other way to do it no and so you get home and you see people complaining about oh there's no ice for this water I got to drink this warm water I'm like that water looks pretty damn good I mean I've drink some nasty water and I'd take that you know so it just puts everything in perspective you know and you have to make sure that you're not getting dehydrated too so you have to drink a lot of that piss water yeah you do yeah oh what kind of Rocket diarrhea did you guys develop I just I need to know because it must have been like some broken fire hydrant type diarrhea no you didn't no I I must not I mean we must have got it pretty clean you must have a strong Constitution I guess so now the Buffalo itself you said that you guys ate that buff yeah we' had nothing else to eat and you were telling me about this before the podcast started but for the folks at home uh what was that like yeah it was uh so the backstrap is typically the best cut of any game animal it's right along the spine and there's no bones and it's just big solid meat and it's usually just like on an elk that's like as good as it gets tenderloin yeah and so um we cut that off and we cooked that up and these Buffalo so cut that up and and cooked it up so I take a bite and I shoot my bow just middle of the day and uh I was shooting for probably maybe a half hour came back still chewing the same bite and so the thing about these Buffalo because there's no predators and we were trying to kill the the biggest Bulls out there um the bull could be 30 years old
anything any animal that old in those conditions the muscles are going to be so it's muscle you're eating the muscles are going to be you know whatever just not very pliable and so yeah dense and so I chewed that one bite of the premium cut for a half hours like you know eating a shoe so that was it what about the organs did you eat the liver no how come no I never yeah you don't like liver no you don't like liver like from a deer no really no why I don't know man that's my favorite part that just filters all the crap it's so good for you though no does a good job a filtering the crap I'm I'm not a liver guy that's interesting you know the the alpha wolf is the one that gets the liver when they take out an animal might want to reconsider yeah that's true yeah the alpha wolf they battle over who gets the liver and the that's how they determine the alpha status of the pack that the the wolf who's the baddest [ __ ] is the one that eats the liver there was a uh documentary on uh this guy who lived with Wolves there was an in um there was a uh contained area uh I forget where it was forget what part of the world but this one guy lived with these wolves in this contained area and he was the Alpha and the way that he became the alpha is he was with these wolves since they were little and he would always eat in front of them so he would have an animal that they would give to these wolves and he would put a liver inside of this animal and he would like open up this Ziploc bag pull this liver out and eat it in front of them so they knew that because he was eating the the the liver he was the alpha well he went away because he had to deal with um there was a local farmer that had a wolf Invasion the wolf were killing his livestock so this guy uh had to assist this farmer and one of the ways he assisted him he set up all these speakers where he had uh howls like he set up like as if there was like a new pack that had en encroached into this area and he uh set up this whole elaborate thing to try to ward off these wolves without having to kill them and then you know some time went by several weeks and he went back to the uh the the wolves and a new Alpha was there so he had a beg for his life in front of this new Alpha he had a whimper and he had a like it was really intense cuz it was
bearing its teeth it was challenging him w for the alpha position and so he had to get out of it by being a [ __ ] cuz normally wolves will duke it out and find out well oh oh you're the alpha now well let's see what's up [ __ ] and you know they would duke it out to see who this wolf was determined to eat that liver so he had to like they had a fight for his position in the pack by begging begging for his life I like I that's what I do like how simple life is in the mountains you know what I mean I mean there's one leader there's it's just that's the you know that when I was young I liked being back there because I didn't have to worry about you know whether somebody liked me or whether I had money or whether any help from anybody it was just like so simple and so cut and dry just like that there's one alpha wolf and I mean either are you tougher or is he tougher you know what I mean and that's I just like the how black and white the mountains are you know if you're not tough you die yeah that's that's great if you're tough that's true yeah if you're not tough you want to get back home to the internet like [ __ ] this place man I need air conditioning I need a blanket I I did you know I did a commercial with the wolf for under arour this no I don't know we filmed it last year but uh I thought the the best ending to that commercial would have been if I could have killed that wolf because it was like how how it went is me and the Wolf were running through the woods were both doing the same things and um and then the commercial ended with with me I had a a bull elk I had killed but we just took the rack up there but I had it on my pack and the Wolf came up and he saw me with that bull elk and it's like I won cuz we're both hunting the elk but I I got it so the wolf jumped up on this log and he snarled and was not happy I thought I said man this the best ending to this would be if I just arrowed that wolf too because you got to kind of infer that I won but right man that would that would sell tell the story right there well that that would really like send it home for Under Armour though people would boycott they would he's killing wolves is this the commercial play it yeah that's it let's hear the volume with
preparation and the right gear you can become Nature's equal that's even better you're like [ __ ] I already won yeah that doesn't look like a real wolf though that's a real don't belong looks like like one of those [ __ ] trained Wolves yeah oh that was a trained wolf but it was an act real trained wolf a real wolf not like a hybrid wolf no no no no that was and that that wolf actually so it was that wolf had been in like the Twilight movies you know I mean it's it's sort of a famous wolf but uh um the thing about it is to make it snarl like that I took some elk steak up there and uh I was going to give it I was going to give it some elk after it did this whole thing but to make it mad like that you had to give it meat and take it away give it meat take it away way and they said they said okay yeah we the trainer said okay we can make it mad and snarl like we need for the commercial but uh once we do that we're we're done because it's going to be pissed off for the whole rest of the day so that was the last thing so th that wolf had been um I think they had it since it was 5 weeks old and it was 11 years old but it's still crazy yeah it's a real wolf yeah I mean you don't they have that in them so is pretty is pretty cool yeah I had a friend who had uh hybrids they weren't even full wolves they were like you know 78 wolf or something like that but he had them uh and they got away from him they got they were in his uh his yard and they went over to the neighbor's property and killed like something like 18 sheep or something like that just went on a just an orgy of murder yeah and he just slaughtered this guy's sheep yeah you know and then uh you know the Rancher comes over pissed at him and he tried to deny it gives his a bath and I'm like come on man what the [ __ ] else is going to kill 18 of them a mountain line is going to kill one and eat it it's it's a wellfed wolf dog that's going to go on this mad orgy of murder yeah I've read a lot you know I've always been a fan of wolves which is kind of cool to do that commercial with the wolf but you know I read you know Call of the Wild when I was a kid and White Fang all that but um um that they I've read a lot about wolves and they're the one of the only animals that'll do thrill killing you
know just kill a bunch of things just to kill them yeah you know whereas other animals usually kill just what they eat yeah they um had a problem with that recently at this Ranch in Montana um where these uh this pack of wolves just got a hold of these calves and just slaughtered a bunch of calves like you know a ton of them like you know 12 calves and just left them I mean ate part of them but left a lot of them just sitting there dead Frozen and it's it was a really creepy scene it was on a television show that I was watching and when there you know these calves that are mostly covered in snow you see their bodies and you really see this the Havoc that these things they're they're too close to people these [ __ ] wolves you know they're creepy in a weird way they're smart they're sneaky they're strategic in how they kill things yeah and then they do this thrill killing thing yeah no it's I mean and you can't blame the wolf that's just how they are but we don't need a bunch of them running around the mountains I mean yeah people have a weird relationship with them because they look so much like dogs you know it's a strange sort of relationship that people who love Wildlife have that they would be cured of really [ __ ] quickly if they were out there in the woods and they saw a pack of wolves yeah cuz they would realize oh these are monsters yeah these these are the things that they made Little Red Riding Hood about this is this is the big bad wolf like there's a reason why all of those children's stories involved evil wolves cuz wolves eat kids yeah on a regular basis back then well it's people there're just not realistic about it I mean a wolf they they're just looking for something to kill yeah whether it's your baby you yeah you a deer yeah you know and people you know just like that Timothy Treadwell up in Alaska when he was living with the Bears and he thought oh bears are my friends you know this hello Mr chocolate how are you they ate him and his girlfriend yeah and it's just like they're not your friends not even slightly no they they they they the only reason why they aren't eating you is cuz they don't eat you every day so they're not used to seeing you as food that's it it's all it is and with Wolves they're like this [ __ ] might have a bang
stick they like Circle you looking what's that thing in his hand that might go bang you know if they've heard the bang stick a few times then they go running yeah I uh I'm not a big fan of wolves I am a big fan of wolves and I'm not a big fan of wolves like I'm I'm a big fan as far as them like just like I'm a big fan of lions I think even mountain lions I think fascinating just wild animals and wild predators are absolutely they're they're en chanting a way just this idea that this thing exists along with us with our lattes and our electric cars and our Wii along at the same time at this very same moment we're doing this podcast there's some gangster ass Mountain line in Arizona right now getting [ __ ] done on a mountain yeah sneaking up on some Ram or whatever the [ __ ] he can get his teeth onto and that's what he does every day and there's thousands of them not just one there's a whole community of mountain lies and there that's what they do whether it's the wolves in Idaho that are destroying the elk or the they're really really fascinating but people who are anti-hunting need to understand just because a lot of people don't like to eat mountain lion or because nobody eats wolves you still need to kill those things like and it's important because if if it doesn't happen they're going to creep into civilian areas the same way they used to back in the day when they were writing those Little Red Riding Hood books yeah I've told this story in the podcast before but I'll tell it again in Paris in the 1400s wolves killed 40 people in Paris like they had to Corner wolves in the streets of Paris and and killed them with Spears and sticks and rocks yeah like they're not to be [ __ ] with this is this is not they're not your dogs it's not a a beautiful animal that you know has a relationship with I mean even the way we treat like killer whales killer whales don't kill people in the wild they actually help people that fall out of boats MH you know the killer whales might be your friend we should probably be way nicer to killer wh than we are to Wolves yeah it's true yeah there's something about hunting a predator you know I mean I've done a lot of bear hunts and I was up in Alberta this year and you know a lot of people bear hunt
and they they'll like sit up in a tree stand this and that and I'm like I said I want I want to hunt I want to hunt a predator and they're seven foot black bear they're huge but I want to be on the ground I was up there with John rivet in uh in Alberta I said I want to be on the ground living amongst them and there's something about and so we did that this is you here what are you cooking here oh that call that bear crack yeah so you bait them up there and um there's so many bear up there you can kill two be there's just like tons of bear you need to manage that number but uh so that bear we call it bear crack because once they get hooked on the crack you they're they're I mean they're coming in and what is bear crack what what do you what's in what do you what are you mixing in there marshmallows and Jello-O and stuff like that just something that smells good but but those Bears get you cook it yeah just kind of get it wafting in the in the air and then and then the smoke goes off through there but uh um I wanted to I wanted like that bear was probably God what was that like maybe 12 feet yeah pull pull that video up again Jamie look how close this [ __ ] bear is that's a big bear too man yeah that's a good bear and we should point out probably the black bear are much less likely to attack a person than a grizzly yeah that I mean they'll but the thing is with the wild animal they'll do whatever they want yeah I mean yeah you can say follow the books no I mean you might get attacked and you go hey you're less likely to do that you know it doesn't matter so you never know a bear a a bear comes and um they make any animal will make a decision right then on what they want to do you know if it's a predator if it's a a dominant Predator dominant bear are more likely just to come walking right in like that and just say you better leave cuz I'm coming in and those those are the ones I mean those are the ones I go after I want the the dominant animal and uh and that one um that one wasn't like one of the giant that was a big bear but not one of the giant bear but there's something about being on the ground eye to eye with a predator like that that's uh I mean that's just what I like to do so you passed on that bear because it was too small wow yeah yeah that's a big bear
yeah that was but it wasn't 7t 400 lb like the ones that I got well how big was that one you think that like probably 6 foot maybe you know 250 or 275 wow now why do you want the dominant ones um they're the you know they're the older sometimes those old bores don't breed as much as they used to um a lot of the old bores you know especially a dominant boar will kill other bear so even if it's an own Cubs I mean it breeds a lot of ss you know when they're in their Prime so the SS have Cubs a dominant board will kill the Cubs because he's trying to eliminate competition for him MH you know so he'll kill his own Cubs that's just how it works and they eat them too right yeah they can they eat them I mean I've I had this we were um on Prince of Welles Island one that's where this video is right here Prince of Wales Island one time oh no no that's this is Alaska this isn't Prince of Wales but uh this guy hit this bear and we came right at dark we came back the next day to recover it and the dominant bore had eaten his bear that's just they are just I don't know it's just survival to fit us basically so those so you want we take those dominant bores out of there and it pretty much helps the health of the of the herd basically or not not the but the numbers Bears aren't herd but what whatever the how many bears are there it it'll help you know taking that big nasty dominant one out of there and then that's you know I don't know I I I just don't need to kill just to kill you know I've killed you know when I first started I I killed anything I'd have a chance at I just wanted to notch that tag take meat home to my family and have success now I mean like I hunted back home for deer in Oregon and I didn't kill I passed up everything because I never saw the animal that I wanted to kill I never saw the a mature buck one that I wanted to get so I just didn't kill I mean I don't need to kill I if if I'm going to it's going to be something that you know I'm really uh I don't know infatuated with or just sold on that I I really want that so it was just a matter of you just did you see good deer you just didn't see a great one yeah yeah so good bucks probably most people would kill them but I just didn't see the one I wanted like what were you looking for
how big um like a big you know 4×4 um you know kind of like you know like what you got there that me but this is black tail Blacktail yeah this is in Western Oregon so a good 4×4 Blacktail you know 5 years old good mature buck and I just never had a chance at one so I didn't didn't kill anything now these bear that you're killing in uh Alberta is that where it was or Prince Alaska is that where was it Prince of Wales uh this last one like we showed that clip um that was uh Alberta Alberta are you eating these Bears yeah oh yeah no I eat everything I kill what does it taste like when you eat this big old bear chicken no no bear you know bear I've had really good bear and it used to be so like if you have a bear that's living on berries and you get up there on the mountains you kill it's going to be really sweet meat because it's eating blueberries or whatever else if you have a bear that's coming in to bait and P like some people bait down here just with meat scraps or whatever might have maggots it's probably not gonna be that good you know but those bear and Alberta mostly were there's uh just grain is what we're putting out there little bear crack so those bear are really good um I don't know what it tastes like it's more like it's fatter meat maybe more like pork but uh it's good what are they eating for the most part like what's their diet consist of in Alberta man whatever they can get a hold of yeah a lot of grass a lot of grass yeah yeah it depends on the time of the year so but they'll take they'll take some oats over grass any day yeah I watched this episode of meat eater with Steve Rella where he uh went for these um fall bears that were fattening up before uh they would hibernate and they were eating berries they were eating blueberries and he it was incredible because as he was cutting this Bear open like you see the fat is actually blue yeah it's got like a blue tint to it from all the berries that this animal had been eating right and he said it was just unbelievably good good yeah I know and that's you know you get those huge black bears or if eating fish like in Alaska if they're down where like on Prince Wells they can eat a lot of fish that come in and those bears are huge because of all that protein I mean just
it's all about about their diet and they get giant because they're eating solid protein all the time but those Bears aren't as good um from fish for whatever reason they taste fishy uh I don't know about fishy just not as sweet yeah because I've heard like diver Ducks diver like there's two types of ducks for folks who don't know there's ducks that eat vegetation there's diver ducks that go under the water and eat fish and those kind of taste like [ __ ] yeah yeah no it's it's probably the you know it's probably the same with anything you are what you eat yeah exactly so if you get to eat a person make sure it's a vegetarian yeah there's uh Steve Rella with h this blueberry fat bear yeah this fat is just like a berry it's almost half liquid at room town but if you read old accounts from like pioneering alaskans I mean not even that long ago even back in the 1950s everybody would want to kill a big fat bear and fall like this on berries yeah CU they didn't have butter and oil and it would kill these Bears take the fat just to lay by a Winter's worth of butter and oil wow I shouldn't call it butter but you know something to substitute is butter you can just spread the fat once you cook it you can spread the fat you know another thing that's uh unfortunate is everybody can't do that because there's just literally not enough game for everybody if the entire country went hunting yeah they're not going to either look like I said when I T started writing about my hunts in the mountains even people that thought they wanted to do it didn't want to do it I mean you yeah not everybody wants to do that yeah the it's hard work man it's hard work I I enjoyed it very very much but uh I'm not I'm not scared to work hard and I I like new experiences so for me it was uh it was very exciting and invigorating but I could see someone who's a [ __ ] who uh couldn't handle it oh yeah no there's nothing easy nothing easy about carrying all your gear all your survival gear trying to get an animal I mean it sometimes I've been on hunts even now that are so tough I I wondered how have I ever killed anything with a bow it just seems impossible to get in bow range and make
a good shot and then recover the animal and it's just um it's so tough Rella was telling me about this moose that uh they shot where uh he had to carry it they did nothing but go out to this moose cut it up and carry it back for 3 days cuz it was like a 9em trip so they would go to Camp they would get up in the morning go hike out to where the moose was take pieces of the Moose put it in their packs and then walk back and they did it for three days in a row and he said he wasn't right for two weeks yeah said his body was just broken down yeah no that's uh you know you earn everything you get out of the mountains they'll they'll get it out of you one way or another most people are just not going to experience that it's unfortunate but when you do do it the people that do do it they kind of one of the Thrills of it is that most people are not going to experience that no but I think you should be able to respect it you know that's the thing so it's not saying you need to do it but man it's not too much to ask to respect what it takes do you uh find that people disrespect it well I just think that they they minimize they just thinking like oh you know do you think you're a big man from going out and killing you know I get anti-hunters who post on my some of my videos or you know from killing an innocent animal it's just like no you don't you don't even get it yeah that's a weird thing that people love to say they love to say that you know you're killing an innocent animal there's nothing innocent about being an animal by the way you know animals are living by the wild I mean that's that's what they're doing there there there's nothing innocent about it it's probably the least innocent thing that a living creature does yeah if they have to kill to survive any animal with will yeah I mean that's that's what it's about yeah and they'll by the way they'll run you over with those [ __ ] antlers oh yeah they'll make a charge of you and run those [ __ ] things through you like a shish kebab yeah no I know it's so I just you know I just think so that's that's kind of why I like videoing the work and the effort and all that because you don't necessarily have to do what I do but just respect it you know and the that's the thing I mean that's I don't show all that for to try to to get respect but I just want you know people
have an easier time with bow hunting for whatever reason because it seems like it's harder you know then then they'll they'll easily say negative stuff about rifle hunting because they say oh you don't have to be close or you can shoot from 400 yards or whatever but with bow hunting for whatever reason we get a little more of a pass because it is difficult so um and rifle hunting is hard too I'm not I don't want to say rifle hunting is easy because it's a whole different deal you're you're hunting in um there's more competition with the rifle out there so you're competing against other guys uh the animals have been hunted a little more so they're a little more wary by that time of year so rifle hunting is still tough and and those guys have my respect as well but just for the general population seems like bow hunting and bow hunting is cool right now yeah I mean it's gaining the popularity it's just is it really yeah it's just you know how what would who do you attribute that to I don't know Cameron Haynes videos online it's all all me I I did it all no I mean from uh Hunger Games you know you know cat catness out there well it's just kind of it's just kind of cool and then I get a lot of emails and correspondents from young guys who want to be more badass so to speak and and and bow hunting I mean shooting a bow is just cool yeah you know well for folks who don't even want to shoot anything they don't want to kill an animal you might be a vegetarian whatever you you might just be fine John Hackman style going to the supermarket and buying your steak nothing wrong with that but I really love archery and I've rediscovered it I did it when I was a kid I was in the Boy Scouts and I enjoyed it then but I never really got into it I just did it a few times and I always thought it was fun but man um since I picked up uh the this uh bow uh I guess I got it about a couple of months ago um I really enjoy it I I just enjoy shooting targets it's really fun right because when you're concentrating on that Target you're not thinking of nothing else it's very difficult you're trying to be steady and when you're trying to be steady there's something Zen in that and when in that Zen activity there's something that's
it's cleansing or something I mean I don't I don't know what it is but in order to really be accurate with a bow it requires so much discipline yeah it does and that's you know getting out shooting a bow I like getting out in the summer uh shirt off listening to music just by myself I usually go by myself and just you know there's something about watching an arrow Arc and drop into the Target and that's just I don't know it's powerful it's uh relaxing it's Zen like you know like what you mentioned and U I think people see that and then you look at the bows and the bows look cool you know everybody they you know you you'll get into it also but your arrow is like your signature so everybody has their arrow and it's got their colors you know what I mean and it's got you can get custom wraps on it so I have wraps that say FS liar and Fletch to say beast mode and so your arrow becomes you know everybody if you walk in someplace and you're shooting with other guys everybody's looking at your arrow it's just kind of cool so you can customize people they see their bows and they take a lot of pride in how their bow is set up and everybody believes that their setup is better than the next guys because for whatever reason and it's just you know people get so invested in in archery it's just I don't know it's powerful and like I've said for bow hunting has changed my life I mean I went from from a kid who had no Direction basically to now I know exactly what I want to do and who I want to be and it's you know allowed me to get on talk to Joe Rogan here in La bow hunting is that that's just I mean that just seems crazy to me so it's uh it's it's just a powerful deal you're wearing an Under Armour shirt man Under Armour sponsors you I me they make your shirts they do just that alone you're Under Armour commercial with a wolf yeah no under arour they've been um my longest sponsor and I think I think they told me I'm their their longest tenure professional athlete really yeah n years that's incredible MH how did you get involved with that um it was actually we were at Shot Show like so 10 years ago I think and I walked by their booth and they had uh there's a picture of Randy White he was wearing Under Armour and they had it in their Booth he's standing out there with a bow you know anyway
played for the Cowboys Super Bowl MVP and uh he had his this bow and I'm like I'm dang he's looks like a monster he's like 50 some years old and just veins everywhere just a stud that caught my attention I'm like so I talked to um Eric Crawford was a guy's name at the at the booth there and I'm like so uh how come you guys are here you know I thought you were Sports you know just you know football and and baseball things like that they go oh we're getting into hunting and all they had was like the the green or the brown just tight stuff for hunting just that first layer and I said oh that's cool so it just kind of he had seen me I was editing this magazine called Eastman's bow hunting journal and he had got the magazine so he knew who I was so it just kind of started from there I signed on with them and their hunting line now is huge yeah there's a commercial that uh I make fun of uh when I when it comes on because it's so silly there's uh all these athletes like there's this woman who's like a professional skier I guess there's all these different athletes doing all this athletic stuff and then there's a duck dynasty guy with his big fat MoonPie face and he's looking around they're talking about athletes and he's blown his duck off I'm like that's not an athlete dude that's Willie you can't what's who's Willie The Fat Guy's Willie yeah you can't make fun of him I think that's like against some sort of law nope I just did he's a fat [ __ ] and he's got a big [ __ ] dinner plate face he's Big B he's fat that dude's fat as [ __ ] that good dude couldn't go hunting with you he's sitting around waiting for ducks to fall out of the sky but it's just hilarious that when his fat Moon Pie Face comes on no disrespect that's when it says that's when it says athlet it's like they say the word athletes you know that we make you know clothes for athletes like come on man I know I don't they didn't call me for that they should call you for that is what I'm saying we you know do you think America is ready I mean look we have this Duck Dynasty show right so it's a reality show which is let's be honest it's not really a reality show it's scripted there's fakes scarios it's but the premise of the show involves hunting and I think that's fascinating um I I think I think the show is
ridiculous um but I like the fact that it's a hugely popular show and the shows about hunting and I I think there's a real hypocritical attitude that a lot of people in this country have because of the fact that food is so readily available because it's so easy to just go to the supermarket and buy food people say well why would you want to get get it yourself you must be a cruel person that wants to go out and shoot animals I think even though it's a baby step a show where Like A Duck Dynasty type show where you see these guys that are hunters and it's a hugely popular show where 16 million people watch it whatever the hell it is that's good because that's slowly starting to integrate and it's okay cuz it's ducks and people don't really have as much of an affinity to Ducks as they do to Bambi you know like a deer hunting show would be a little bit more problematic but they need to do a show with you dude this is what I'm getting at a show with you out there in the I'm telling them right now they're listening trust me there's a lot of Hollywood people listen to this show shows have been made because of people being on the show that would be a there's that fat MoonPie face back that [ __ ] up look at this come on son look at that big fat F you're are not an athlete man you got a look he's not a stud look at that look at that that's a fat man he's not a stud you're a stud that's a fat man I know you're being nice but got to cut the [ __ ] I me he could be a stud he's got the potential inside of him but he's eating [ __ ] Cheetos so Moon his dad his dad um on that show on Duck Dynasty he he was an athlete at I think Louisiana state or something like that but his backup he's a quarterback on the football team Willie's dad Phil and his backup was Terry Bradshaw really yeah wow that's fascinating yeah that's interesting well how come Phil's all angry at the gays he's got real problems with the gays yeah he does he's all these gays right there right there how good was Phil Robertson at football see he was a stud yeah at one point in time now he's a gay Basher it's all angry about gays gotta let it go Phil they don't care about you you shouldn't care about them so but you know as far as uh me being on the TV show so I uh nice nice segue and
change gears I like how you did that that's professional that's how a good man in the media would do it no uh so that I have to turn in a contract today for a reality show do here in La yeah really yeah that's one of the reasons why you're here um yeah okay well talk to me about it afterwards I'll make sure they won't [ __ ] you over because things get tricky in the world of reality TV yeah well this is just for the pilot okay either either way if you sign on for the pilot you sign on for the rest of your life I I have a friend who they asked him to do a reality show and fortunately for him he uh he has his own business he's doing well but it was his girlfriend's idea she wanted to do this reality show and he read the contract and he calls me up on the phone he's like listen to this [ __ ] he like they own my likeness for Life yeah like they own him for like like what they're realizing because of all you know like from Survivor to Fear Factor all these shows on is they've realized like Fear Factor Michael Yo is probably the only person that I know of that became famous because of Fear Factor and Michael Yo is a comic and he's on E really really nice guy wa but you're famous yeah but I was famous already I wasn't really famous already but I was on a sick com and I don't know who Michael Yo is so he's a very nice guy he's a comic but my point was that like um I guess I I certainly became more famous because of Fear Factor but Fear Factor really didn't make too many stars but some of those shows made Stars you know some of these reality shows whether it's the Bachelor or you know of course like uh the uh singing shows like American Idol made a lot of stars so they've realiz iiz that there's potential money to be made once you're from you're on that show they make you a star and then you're a business you're a brand well they want that brand so they they are some unscrupulous producers and networks they're they have these all-encompassing contracts that are insane like you you're on this show and then they [ __ ] own you and they can use your likeness till the day you die I mean they own you forever and it's it's it's insane and people are like I'll take it I want to be famous like they'll do whatever they can and so like if you went and did something else say if you
did that and the reality show takes off and does well but or or doesn't do well and then gets cancelled and then you wind up doing something else and that becomes they still own you they the first guy still owns you I got the contract over there you need to look at it well you need to get a lawyer to look at it it's it's it's a tricky business this world of reality TV and they look at people as Commodities and they look at reality as being flexible so the their version of reality is not really reality I mean they're calling it reality shows but a lot of what you're dealing with is these people that were involved in in fiction they were involved in like sitcoms or dramas or what have you and they're producing reality TV now so they engineer it it's all fake like they have fake setups fake scenarios I had a problem with the show that I did for sci-fi where editor put a fake scene in they put a totally they took a video they added sound to the video and they said that a listener or a podcast listener had sent this video in total lie complete fabrication I found out about it and I went [ __ ] crazy out of [ __ ] fit I couldn't believe they because especially my show was all about trying to find the truth you know was about Joe Rogan questions everything except this fake [ __ ] video apparently but it's standard that's what they've always done they they've just been they do because they think it makes a better they they call it creative license right they think it makes a better show mhm it doesn't make a better show they don't have to do it they just they need to follow Cameron Haynes with a bow and arrow hunting for Elk yeah what would we call it I don't know don't don't let's do it off the air someone will [ __ ] steal our idea off the air we'll come up with a way to do it with you okay you got to be careful though man don't get in bed with the wrong cats because uh this is a this is a sneaky town you know and they know oh look at this nice guy from Oregon he's a sweetheart probably tells the truth all the time poor bastard he probably he's probably honest we'll eat him alive yeah out there hunting and everything no no no go hunt we got your contracts whatever whatever don't worry about all that yeah we go take care of you we'll take care of you I think
that'd be a great show i' I've said that about Steve Rella show too Steve Rella show in my opinion is the best hunting show on television meat is a great show and it's a great show not just because it's a hunting show it's a great you know quote unquote reality show but it is a real reality show like he got charged by a Grizzly last night the episode that I watched like they were um in the woods and they were uh they were actually bear hunting and a Grizzly mother with her uh her her C no what do we call them CS Cubs Cubs charged her and charged them and it was [ __ ] crazy you see this giant Grizzly running through the bush at them it's like whoa yeah that's intense and the narration you know Steve is a really well read guy he's very intelligent and articulate so it's fascinating he's an introspective guy too because the way the way he looks at these scenarios and life itself is really interesting and him you know just talking about grizzly bears and talking about you know the it it becomes an interesting show outside of the fact that it's a hunting show yeah yeah you could have a good show even you know where the kill is secondary this is it right here this is back it up so you can see it before she runs at them because it's it's kind of fascinating she she was like circling around towards them and they started to get nervous so were they were they Grizzly hunting she yeah but they didn't want the female obviously hey hey yeah they're trying to Spook her Callahan is shooting out in front of her and she doesn't care at all and meanwhile these three CBS are behind her like what's going on what's up M what's going on I will shoot I will I'm going to kill this side and she spawn heels off spins away and Callahan says I'll never forget I want to get him a t-shirt with him and his mustache and this says smell us now lady smell us now lady that's the sentence that comes to Callahan's mind the minute a grizzly bear changes his mind decides not the M what is referring to is as she cuts she gets she gets like a downwind direction you know and so Ryan's saying like now the wind will carry my order to realize that we're people and we shouldn't be messed with and so what yells and smell us now which came kind of our it's like the medor ring cry now seems like she would have known from
the rifles going off too but well yeah well she heard it as she was running she was probably breathing and growling and everything she probably didn't know exactly what it was until it was too late yeah they get pretty tunnel vision about protecting I think these shows uh there's there's an element of reality in a good hunting show that would be fascinating on regular television and these shows a a lot of them they're on the Sportsman's channel the outdoors Network or you know these these these what what what channel is your show on Outdoor Channel The Outdoor Channel and so these channels like a lot of people don't go to that area like for me it's like 600 605 604 606 on Direct TV and a lot of folks don't go to that area unless they're looking for Mexican porn that's like a few channels that's 606 isn't it that's 68 or something well there's uh you know some Fox Sports is uh there's Fox Sports 2 or something like that it's up there as well one of those you know some some sports channels are up in that area too but you know it's just a weird area of the dial and I think it's unfortunate I think um that's the untapped area I don't want to say this for Hollywood because these same [ __ ] who make fake scenarios are going to come in and ruin it but a show like me eater or a show following you around elk hunting with a bow there's so much drama and reality in that without having to add [ __ ] you know and someone's got to do something like that I mean me eater does but someone else could do it too where you make a pledge like there's going to be no lying there's going to be no fake [ __ ] this is all real and it's great y real emotion real real providing and you know I've had that pitch to me recently about just showing because just like the the train not only the training for the hunt but the um camaraderie getting out there like the challenges I do for my bow giving back you know just that is all part of the story and yeah we're killing an animal at the end hopefully maybe not you know because a lot of hunts end with no kill but just the the whole journey you know and it seems like it would make good TV but Steve shows a lot of hunts that have no kills um I I like that I like that he keeps it real like that I hate that expression though keep it real God that expression is beaten up that is
a beaten up expression but the you know having that ethic cuz you know he had a mountain line hunt they didn't even see a mountain line they went for N9 days didn't see one he had uh a recent elk hunt saw a bunch of elk never got close enough to get a shot at one and you know I think that's important man I think it's it's important to show people that this is It's called hunting it's not called shooting right you know it's it's here we're going to shoot animals today come on watch us oh people think that you drive out in the truck and drinking beer or whatever you do and just see something and shoot at it no that's that's definitely not my hunting well that is the problem that the the public opinion uh of hunting faces is the ignorance you know well Hollywood helps that too does it yeah I mean just like the scene in Wolverine is that what you mean yeah right so I mean they're showing um supposedly Hunters out there they shoot this I think it's actually Wolverine as he was a an animal but shoot him with a poison pot Arrow which I don't even I've never even seen a poison pot Arrow but so um has poison on the Arrow shoots him he turns back into Hugh Jackman or whatever and then he goes and he wants he's a what are you serious I think he misread it there was a bear shot a he found the bear he had kill yeah he didn't turn into a bear no well I thought it Wasing the [ __ ] out of people man okay so how high were you when you watching this man no I was on a plane actually so I was probably in and out of sleeping but the but the point was is they got this this Arrow out of the bear I guess and he went he found the hunters they were at the bar and uh they were drinking at the bar and he went in there and you know shoved the the poison arrow through the leader's hand and it's just like so it's just showing Hunters as the bad people you know what I mean and it's just like that doesn't help anybody who I've never been to a bar after hunting and definitely never used poison arrows it's just like it's perpetuating that stereotype well yeah and not only that the way you shoot it the poison wouldn't even get to him blow right through through them poison being the arrow on the other side of town yeah right no it's not even an effective way to transmit poison you know you got to get into the bloodstream
yeah you know when you're shooting a missile through a bear's body it doesn't work that way yeah that is you know look these are Hollywood stereotypes these classic black hat villains it's just so easy to do it's just lazy yeah that's all it is but so I mean yeah I think people just have the have the wrong idea and so having a show that would show that you know success on elk with a bow is around 10% so it's like 90% of the guys out there pursuing elk with a bow and arrow are failing and it's it's not guaranteed it is really tough showing that struggle and that's why I mean that's one of the reasons why I train the way I do I don't want to be in that 90% you know my goal is to be successful every single year so if you do what the average guy does you're going to fail nine times out of 10 if you do more than the average if you do more than anybody else or the the standard then maybe you'll have more success and so as it is I kill my bull every single year and it's just I think it's not because I'm any better it's because I just work harder preparing so well you've become better through hard work right you become better with knowledge you become better with training with Fitness with preparation with arrow shooting you shoot arrows every day right yep yep so it's just you know and that's but if people could see how difficult it really is and see that you know like we did film in Australia where we have no food we have no water it's 120° drinking piss drinking piss that I think you know that would make compelling TV because they're like wow this is a lot different than I saw in the Wolverine movie you know and I don't know I think I I think it' be not I don't know I think it'd be important to get out there because Hunters are the number one conservation there are in sharing that story yeah I I I agree and you know some people find that contradictory it's like I had a conversation with someone we were talking about uh people and I was saying well okay if you if you could only you know if you only hunted like one person a year but the rest of the people you you made sure you fed them and you took care of them they got great education and took care of their environment made sure the streets are clean would it be okay to go out and Hunt one person right
you know people were like [ __ ] no so like when you apply that to animal hunting it's for a lot of people that's sort of the same sort of feeling they have but what they don't understand is as the apex predator people don't like to think of as us as the apex predator especially if you're a vegetarian or if you're an animal rights lover but there's a war going on between all life forms on this planet we are just so far ahead of the other animals that we forgot it's a war and we forgot that we have these P camps in our cities we call them zoos okay and that's what that is those are prison of War camps that's what we dominate this planet and the reason why you can get out of this office and go walk down the street and not worry about getting mauled is because we pave this [ __ ] and we killed everything that can kill us and we made sure that anything that comes in we call the cops and they send helicopters and they [ __ ] Circle the area with a flashlight until they find that cat and then they tranquilize it and they get it the [ __ ] out of here we this is our domain and you don't like to think it's our domain because you don't have to do any of the work right but the reality comes into You full force if you're alone in Idaho with a bow and arrow and you get circled by a bunch of howling beasts and they're trying to take the elk away from you that's comes real clear then [ __ ] yeah it does we are the apex predators whether you're a predator or not the human animal is the apex predator and as that we have to be the stewards of the land we have to manage this whole situation and that includes managing Predators it includes managing game animals it includes the whole kitten Kaboodle and that's what Hunters are that's what Hunters dollars do is they they put that Hunters are the are the Grassroots out there feet on the ground making it happen and if you don't do that you know what the other option is you got to pay someone to go kill these animals which is even more ridiculous because then you have to take taxpayer money away to go take animals that are made out of food and you got to kill them like these are animals that people could have paid to go kill and then enjoyed the food themselves now you got to hire like what they're doing in the Hamptons have you heard about that
in New York they have deer massive deer population so they're hiring snipers they're trying to figure out what to do they might spend money on ready for this strap in birth control for deer they're talking about spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to give deer food with birth control in it to keep them from breathing they're made out of food [Laughter] but it's that's a that's the reality of the situation is that we're the ones as the intelligent creatures that can communicate we're the ones who have made an assessment we've made a detailed analysis of all the different animals and the numbers and we monitor them on a yearly basis and folks who don't know they don't appreciate that I wasn't a hunter when I was young and I didn't understand hunting and I thought there was something [ __ ] up about it I I would say why would anybody want to kill a deer man deer deer are beautiful I was a fisherman I used to go fishing yeah but that's where it ended for me because I can't relate to a fish fishing for me is like tricking aliens like they live in this water world that I can't even see in I throw something in there I pull it out and I eat it like I can't relate to them you know they're running around breathing water like I can eat you I got no they don't even take care of they're young they're just like you're you're you're on your own get the [ __ ] out of here like it's it was a different thing for me so I can relate to people that can't relate to Hunters MH yeah that uh and I don't know I I think getting down there to the bow shop and even just like you said shooting a bow you don't necessarily have to be a hunter but if you can listen to a hunter and kind of listen to their stories and listen to it you don't I mean you don't have to go kill but a lot of guys learn a lot of good life lessons out in the Mounds and maybe you can pick up on that I like hanging out at the you know the the shop that set up your bow yesterday uh or not yesterday day before I think was is the bow rack in Springfield OR Oran and that's like it's like a bar with no alcohol as far as listening to stories it's awesome sure I love sitting on the stool picking things up from other guys and just hearing stories and that's a you know you don't have to be a hunter to to enjoy that and enjoy firing
a few arrows it's uh it's soothing well people that participate in the same sort of discipline they they they enjoy that comaraderie together they understand each other in a way that maybe other folks don't you get that from Jiu-Jitsu jym you know you get that from a kickboxing gym you get that from a you know a CrossFit Studio you get that from anything that you do where the people can sort of relate to this unusual activity that you partake in and uh I think that that's that's something about archery you know when you go like I the the place that I went to the archery Outpost in Lo Alamitos there's a bunch of people around there talking about oh have you seen the new Hoy you know they got a new cam on the Matthews and this has got a oh they got a The Botch Insanity 355 ft per second and blah blah blah you know all that shop talk and it's a lot of people are missing that sort of camaraderie in their everyday life because most days from 9: to 5: you don't get to talk about what you want to talk about you have to talk about what you're getting paid to talk about you got to talk about what your job entails and for most people they're trapped trapped in this this world like you know unfortunately you said you are on some I didn't say that get this reality show brother get Kraken you be right up there with that fat Moonie Pie Face guy on TV sounds good no ducks though just elk yeah bugling elk and arrows and bears and everything cool stuff cool stuff yeah mountains yeah dude listen man this has been a really fun podcast I enjoyed it very much thanks we got to do this again for sure and keep me posted on this uh reality show and keep us posted and if it actually does come off we will promote the hell out of it man promise all right appreci absolutely so if anybody wants to find Cameron online it's uh Cameron Haynes on Twitter but he don't use that so you got to find him on Facebook he uses Facebook but Facebook goes straight to Twitter yeah it's one of those you don't even know your your Twitter password do you it's somehow magic yeah somehow a magic connection I had I had my buddy Colin set that up for me well they'll probably give they could probably reset it I'm sure they could reset it for you yeah but you should get on Twitter too man Twitter Twitter is a
it's a great resource I'm on Instagram also oh yeah that's right and great photos on Instagram by the way you put a lot of cool stuff on Instagram very inspiration you're an inspirational guy I love your story I love your the your ethic I love what you're the the philosophy that you take in this life and I really really truly believe um what I said that what you do is inspirational and it it creates action that inspiration it it makes people do things it gives them the energy and the enthusiasm to go out and accomplish things on their own and I think that's what life is all about really we're all in this together and I think that we we all benefit from each other and we benefit from fine examples of other human beings and I think you're an excellent example of a human being and it's an honor to meet you sir oh thanks for having me Joe thanks and let us know and what when you're doing a show on on on the Outdoor Channel and what is it well I've been on t-k that's that's where I've been appearing but we're uh you know I've had a number of people approach me about doing my own show and so just trying to get that hammered out then in addition to These reality shows that want some the hardcore hunter character that um so we'll see what happens probably nothing will happen no something will happen don't say nothing if you want something to happen it'll happen we're we're going to help you make it happen man for sure definitely all right ladies and gentlemen we'll be back tomorrow with Aubrey Marcus uh want to thank stamps.com for uh for sponsoring this podcast go to stamps.com and use the code JRE to get your $110 bonus offer and thanks also to one 800flowers.com and check out their special limited time offer for only $29.99 you get 18 beautiful red roses and that is for a limited time only ladies and gentlemen that is only until Sunday February 9th at midnight that's 18 beautiful red roses for only $29.99 thanks also to on it.com that's o n niit t use the code word Rogan and you will save 10% off any and all supplements tomorrow we will be with Aubrey Marcus who is the CEO of hit.com and a real psychedelic Adventurer we will talk about life spirituality and
he's a hunter himself we're going to have a good time folks we got a lot of cool [ __ ] going on a lot of fun people next week too we got artists and comics and Joey Coco Diaz and War Machine is going to be here next week AKA John copenhaver and we're going to have a good time we love the [ __ ] out of you people and we thank you very much for tuning in see you soon bye