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of fun stuff o n niit t use the code word Rogan all right Stefan malanu is here let's not waste any more time and cue the music young Jamie Jo podcast check it out The Joe Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day I've been looking forward to doing this podcast with you again for a while and uh I knew exactly what was going to happen unfortunately when you got here as soon as you sit down we start talking about so much cool stuff before the podcast even starts we need a prequel yeah man we're already into temperatures and uh there's a lot of different things but no no need to go back over all that stuff again I'm very excited to talk to you because there's been a lot of things that um first of all I really enjoyed our first podcast really fun conversation in Toronto but there's a lot of things that I uh I read online and I say hm I wonder how Stefan would deal with this I wonder what your take on this is because you've got some very strong opinions on where uh taxes should go and you know what money should be spent on that benefits the community and I agree with a lot of them I think they're very fascinating the France thing have you seen this BR thing where they're jacking up the tax to 75% yeah I mean talk about killing the goose that lays the golden egg you know we we and it's it's sad because everybody seriously thinks that it's going to be somebody else who's taxed and they keep creeping it down it's like let's go get those rich people and tax them and then it's like you get a mirror and it's like what me no no no the rich people but now it's getting to the point like they could tax all of the rich people in America and it would pay the government for like three days I mean it's all complete nonsense you it's just a way of setting us against each other so we miss the whole reality of what's going on it's a piss poor management solution too it's a terrible idea to take the people that are earning the most and take a massively disproportionate amount of money from them and so you know they're talking about like pro athletes and and clubs soccer clubs and corporations and you know the very highest of the high but still 75% is [ __ ] ridiculous no one deserves to give you 75% of what they've
earned yet maybe a little bit more you know I agree that as a person who's made a good amount of money in my life I I agree that I should pay a lot of taxes I don't mind paying a lot of taxes I don't mind but I'm not going to give you more than half that's [ __ ] ridiculous you can't get more than half you're not doing it right you you're not spending the money right can you you can get more than half when you give me a [ __ ] complete analysis of every penny where it went what it benefited I want to rece or we are we actually living in Paradise you know like if we're floating on cloud and we get like we [ __ ] rainbows and all that then you can get all my tax money and when there's no poverty and the children are all living peacefully and the schools are gorgeous and glowing temples of knowledge then maybe but at the moment you know it's like oh sorry do you need more money for this war in Iraq I have a slight problem with that yeah I'm all out of money for you dude same way the guy with the the sign the homeless sign in the corner that like smile and he flips it over like it's bent you know could you spare a dollar and then he flips it over like you got this crafty sign use that that mind that made that crafty son go get a [ __ ] job you crazy [ __ ] you know Jesus Christ if it's possible for you to get a job and if it's not possible for you to get a job we as a society should take those people off the street and put them in mental institutions to give them help well okay okay so if go draw directly to the topic if you dare but I dare there is this interesting thing around poverty right because poverty a lot of times people really feel like oh you know they just they had some bad luck uh it's a real shame you know they just things didn't go quite the right way but you know statistically that the majority of people like if you take the average of how much people work in a household below the poverty line you got two people in a household below the poverty line on average they work 16 hours a week between the two of them whoa now that is it to some degree poverty by choice and I I don't mind Hey wouldn't it be great to only work 16 hours a week especially if your options are jobs that are kind of crappy which we all generally start with those jobs that are crappy but to me that's uh and and that
doesn't change whether the economy is good or bad so it's not like whe they'd like to work more whe they can't find the work that's just one of those uncomfortable truths a lot of poverty is voluntary and it's nice to be poor because it's a whole lot less work and people uh get all the benefits out of not working which are considerable you know I mean I guess daytime TV is good for a lot of people and uh uh so but but then what happens is then they need money for something they get sick and suddenly poverty becomes this huge problem but a lot of poverty it's like monks you know monks are poor but you know don't need charity because they're kind of choosing that lifestyle and it's not true of all the poor but on average a lot of people who are poor are just they don't particularly like to work and you know again I don't mind that but accept the consequences of that well don't you think that it's really difficult to break out of a cycle that's the real issue that I've always had with people [ __ ] on people who are poor or people who live in poor neighborhoods for not getting out it's very difficult to break a cycle and if you're born into a cycle of poverty and of neglect and of laziness and a lack of ambition it's very hard to break out of that cycle and then also you're dealing with a really down economy where it's difficult to get a job that pays good money they're all taken there's more people looking for jobs than there are jobs and uh it's a real issue for a lot of people that you know don't really have an education or don't have a particular set of skills well even if you do like I did a call-in show while I was here in California and a guy called in and he said you know I just graduated as a pharmacist like a legal Pusher and for me it's like okay pharmacists in America if there's one thing that's Recession Proof because you know when people are down they get they take even more pills and it took him 10 months to find a job but he ended up having to take a job on the night shift uh and and that's a pharmacist lawyers can't find work uh in America so even professionals are having a a huge amount of problems absolutely it's terrible but it's one of these things I worry about the degree to which when we tell people stuff is really hard does it become a self-fulfilling
prophecy you know like if you keep telling kids growing up in poor neighborhoods and I was a kid who up in a poor neighborhood so I I have some sympathy with this but it's you know if you keep telling people well you know it's really really tough it's really hard to get out I wonder if POS oh well you know it's really tough so you know whatever it is right I don't think there's an either or but I think there's definitely a bit of that but you know you kind of disproved it with your example of a pharmacist who's looking for 10 months for a job in a very lucrative industry yeah so that sort of disproves it a little bit I think you and I are very fortunate in that we can make our money independently we can make a living by doing things on the internet providing content and for me doing comedy shows and UFC stuff it's it's I don't have to be in the regular job market I'm very fortunate because of that but for a lot have you ever been in the wular just yeah yeah I drove limos I uh did construction did a lot of things while I was a struggling comedian right right okay I decided I wanted to be a standup comic at 21 and I sort of abandoned everything else I was doing I did a lot of shitty jobs then for a couple of years yeah you know but before that I taught martial artarts so I I've always had a weird life I've always been I just knew somehow or another um I it probably could have been very different if my life was very different but my life wasn't very happy you know with my parents being divorced and moving across the country and always being forced moved around a lot always making new friends I didn't enjoy school I didn't enjoy the experience of going I didn't I didn't have a desire to learn and I knew that whatever I was going to do it was it's going to have to be something completely outside of the system there was no options for me like the the idea of going to like some people say say well you know I really wanted to be a standup comic but you know I'm going to do it after I pass the bar for me there was none of that there was none of that it was like this is a job that I actually could do just go try to do that because a job like be a lawyer be uh you know fill in the blank insurance salesman whatever the [ __ ] it's going to be I can't do it I can't
do it I'll go crazy well screw Plan B you know Plan B everyone says Plan B but Plan B is always going to end up going by the wayside because everything you do in life you strengthen that muscle you weaken your other muscle so you know I will I'm a big fan of if you're going to do it you know do it hard do it uh do it fullon tilt Boogie you know 150% and then if you fail at least you won't say well I could have done more you know but but just go full but and then you can always pick up the piece to start something else later but Plan B is usually a real disaster like okay you can go be an actor but the important thing is also you've got to safety net yeah safety net is a noose a safety net is a noose I completely agree with you and we're going to get attacked for this by people who are unhappy with their choices in life and that's a fact you know there's there's a bunch of people that will say yeah well I have a family so you know it's a great idea for you to just go out there and go crazy I have people to support you need to listen stop saying that stop saying any of those things every single person who has ever done anything worthwhile or exceptional or difficult or extraordinary anyone whether it's great artists or authors or mathematicians or whatever the [ __ ] it is everyone encounters difficulties there is no easy Road it does not exist it is impossible everyone has issues if you have time to pursue a hobby if you have time to do anything in your life you can better yourself and here's one way you never better yourself when you come up with excuses for why other people are successful and you're not that [ __ ] is [ __ ] dangerous when you give yourself an escape yeah well that's easy for you to say you know you do this you do TR trust me everybody has a hard Road I wanted to jump out of window several times during my young life I wanted to jump in front of a [ __ ] train just ended because too much pressure not really but you know what I'm saying theoretically we all go through hard times we all go through depression we all do go through doubt and then moments in your life where it's really [ __ ] difficult and you're trying to figure out what the [ __ ] your path is going to be it's hard as [ __ ] but Stephan and I were talking about this before before
the podcast starts that that is what makes you a person and those difficult moments are what build your character show me a great man who's the son of a great man you know that's what we're saying these kids that are born billionaires you're [ __ ] you're [ __ ] you're never going to be a self-made person you have a backup trust for your backup trust for your trust and you you're [ __ ] man I met a guy like this his parents own this gigantic chain of high-end stor and they're unbelievably wealthy like billionaire beach in Malibu is this massive community of you know 15 20 $30 million homes they bought the nextd door neighbors homes on both sides and overpaid for them because they didn't want anybody staying next to them they just bought the homes like $30 million $25 million they literally own like a hundred houses they own homes everywhere I'm talking Estates in Denver in the mountains and in you know Wyoming at some great Ranch I mean they just have [ __ ] and the guy is a mess you could just slap him in the face you could just take his pants off he would just Panic he has no confidence he's he's literally not a not a person he's a like a cat he's like a cat that you have to feed or a dog it's a he's a sad sad person resistance breeds strength in muscles in character in in in mind and our muscles hate to exercise that's why lumosity.com is an excellent sponsor see but it is you know that which does not kill us makes us stronger you know I mean radiation po pois really not good at making sort of metaphorically if we can stay out of the pure biochemistry but that which is is hard for you is what and and all the stuff we hate at the time is the stuff that that we love later you know you go like oh wow that really did give me an appreciation for this or whatever and the trustafarians you know like the kids whose parents are really rich it is a huge problem among Rich parents how do you raise your kids because when you're poor or even middle class you your kid says I want X and you say what do you say we can't afford it yeah well but you know if your kids's looking around and seeing like gold fountains in the living room and you know chocolate baths upstairs and so on then clearly you can't afford it and what do you say to your kids it's really
really tough so we have to provide limits because of x y and Zed I mean a lot of people like to duck out in the we can't afford it excuse but Rich parents don't have that and it's really tough for them to set limits it's very hard and it's also very hard when a child grows up with no doubt if you have no doubt as to what your future is going to be you don't have ambition a lot of ambition comes from fear and uh as a comic some of my best sets ever in standup have come after I bombed like I bombed oh ter I've got no career so I better yeah well also it's a terrible feeling you don't want to you don't want that feeling to to reoccur so you have these bad sets and then you just get really super motivated to work on everything that's wrong or recognize what went wrong that night and never let it happen again and one of the worst traits that a comedian could ever have is to be easily satisfied with yourself it's one of the worst if you think you're better than you are or you're really satisfied where everything hey it's perfect no need to work on it it's that's poison that's like a terrible terrible terrible mindset for a standup comedian for that very same reason like it has to be a struggle but we always this way aren't we like we're always dissatisfied with something we achieve satiety and then we're immediately dissatisfied again and I you know a lot of people who will promise you peace of mind and Zen and this and that I actually think that's completely an illusion and I think it actually contributes to more dissatisfaction dissatisfaction is the nature of the Beast it's why we're doing this and not going o booa Booga in some caves because we were dissatisfied with the caves so we built some Huts we were dissatisfied with the Huts we built some condos we're always dissatisfied and therefore we will continue to want to improve things that's how things get better at the moment we're satisfied with something we immediately set a new challenge and remain unsatisfied in the achievement of that and people who try to end that process I think it's just trying to end being alive fundamentally Mr Malu you're talking too much sense here sir you're confusing commcial you're free we I wish we could just to reprogram people's minds back to consumerism you're 100%
right there's look I think everyone looks forward to this utopian time where whatever motivates them drives them freaks them out right now can be set aside the work is done and you can just sort of like watch the sunset over the pond and the the the problem is this utop utopian vision of the future that we have is probably a carrot that's on a stick that will just never reach and we keep working hard to improve our society and our life and ourselves and our families and our relationships hoping that one day we'll achieve this ultimate peace that will never come no and and this is how people get exploited if they can dangle that carrot right and they can say well you see the Communist in the Communist Utopia you won't need to work and in the Communist Utopia or the fascist Utopia or you know the Peter Joseph robot mommy cities you won't have to work and everything will be fine or in the religious view you'll get to go to heaven or you'll achieve transcendental Bliss or you know enough yoga your butt will be firm and your soul will be at peace they will get you to give up freedoms and money and so on in hopes of buying a peace of mind that is fundamentally anti-human in the long run the restlessness of our species is the diamond that we get crushed into for the Existence that we currently provide for ourselves in yes I agree 100% I think the the whole idea about all this is engineering a Utopia like uh Peter Joseph who I think is a very smart guy and I I like him I I had him on the podcast I enjoy communicating with him I think he's very bright but what I think is hilarious is that he makes his money as a stock broker I mean he's talking about this utopian world and he's drawing the very blood that keeps him alive from a vampire system from this crazy [ __ ] vampire system I know no no no but he's he's a vampire the inside he's working the inside uh system so I don't he's an inside vampire you guys had some serious debates didn't you I we've had a couple of flybys like I did some reviews of the Zeitgeist movies uh and um and then we actually had a debate uh yeah fairly cordial uh you know definitely budded heads which is natural this is kind of what you want sure and then um yeah he did go a little bit I thought ballistic in some of the post- debate uh let's say analysis uh where I
think he veered off a little bit into ad homonyms but you know my basic point is I don't as long as people do two things you know do two things and you know we're friends till the end right uh respect self- ownership and you know property rights and do not initiate force and so look if this if these cities built by jacqu Fresco and his merry band of Elven robots if this is human Paradise on Earth I say go for it have fun just don't force people to participate and let people leave as they want that's the only thing that matters uh everything has to be voluntary you cannot violate the non-aggression principle everything outside of that is you know well what color drapes do you want I don't care just don't steal them the ad homom are very disappointing aren't they you know especially when it's just you could easily have just disagreed and been fine with that and debated your points and look you and I probably don't agree on everything there's probably quite a few things that will come up that uh we have different points of view on and that's because we're different human beings and it's also because there's not a black and white with these ideas of engineering Society there's it's not there's not a black and white that's it's a very look if it was very easy and straightforward it would have been done already okay it's not it's complicated there's a lot to being a person there's a lot to being a person that contributes to society there's a lot to what what about Society is feeding itself and just feeding more society and more what about corporations are just feeding corporations and what about them is benefiting humanity and if you can sway it towards benefiting Humanity it's always the best choice but the idea of engineering it one foolproof way that makes everyone happy that's silly the people that want to remove capitalism as a whole like I've met people that have jobs that tell me that people with money are a problem and I'll go well they can be but you know how much money Bill Gates gives to Charities do you know how much like charity work that guy does how much money he donates to causes that he feels are excellent millions and millions and millions and millions of dollars there's a great benefit from having that that guy being wealthy some people who are rich do a
good job with it some people but you work too everybody works like the person telling me that money's a problem like don't you have a job what do you get paid in your job they give you free coconuts what do they do they give you a use of a shower and and a place to sleep at night no they give you [ __ ] money man they give you money you just you're a capitalist you're just not as good a capitalist as that guy is it doesn't mean that the system is completely [ __ ] it doesn't mean that the idea of the system is completely [ __ ] it means it can be [ __ ] yeah but it also can be it's the choice of the people that control if all the world bankers got together today and did acid and they realize oh my God guys we are [ __ ] up we're do we're creating all this drama we're going to die anyway listen if we just pulled our money together into these massive Charities to re-engineer SI societies and put money into poor communities and stop causing war and stop extracting natural resources out of these places for massive profit and and and massive loss of human life if that just happened the entire world would change instantly and they literally have the power to do that they would just have to all come to some sort of an agreement but there's no yeah and look charity is important and I'm not a republican but one thing that is statistically true is that Republicans give a lot more to charity than Democrats do which is why Democrats believe that welfare programs are needed because they're fundamentally stingy bastards who don't give anything up so they feel everybody needs to be forced to do it are they poor is it that they have less money is it per capita like if you look at De Democrats per capita versus Republicans per capita I don't know about that but I do know that the Dem rat donations tend to be far larger to the Democrat Party I mean Democrats get their money from you know celebrities from they have these you know five billion dollar plate dinners whatever for Barack Obama and whereas the average donation to the Republican party is like 20 bucks but the the the Democrats get their money from unions uh and I'd like to talk a little bit about unions and um mixed martial arts we'll get back to I think that's really interesting topic a fascinating topic
but so yeah Democrats get their money from from Forced union dues and from cele ities and from the entertainment business and so on and uh they they're just generally not very generous with regards to local charity has a lot to do with their secularism right because a lot of the charitable donations come out of religiosity but there's no guarantee that charity is the solution there's lots of economists who think that Bill Gates would be doing much better good for the world if he'd stayed on at Microsoft and built that uh company to be even more successful and bigger with more employees and so on that that would be generating more uh value to society than giving money you know if you look at uh India and China just over the last 20 years it has been the biggest poverty reduction in the history of the known universe I mean it really can't be overemphasized literally hundreds of millions of people have come out of poverty in India it's 50,000 families a month are getting into the middle class out of out of poverty because they just got rid of socialist policies and let people actually trade and make money and and start their businesses they cut the red tape and all the licensing requirements and so on and of course in in China they were last totalitarian communist [ __ ] and actually became some reasonable free trade guys and out of that process uh the more people have come out of poverty in the 20 years that they've stopped interfering with people's trading abilities than an entire Century of Western Aid to to third world country so I don't know whether it's getting out of people's way uh in terms of letting them do what they want to do and build their businesses or whether it's giving them lots of money it's a balance between the two but I don't know if Charity's always the answer I think just getting out of people's way is a great way to let them uh like what is it in California do you need like 27 permits to open a lemonade stand or something like that I mean if you stop doing that kind of stuff or or you don't need 300 hours to become a hair braider on a beach of of training to get a license just let people do their own thing and let the customer be uh the decider about what's valuable what's safe what's right what's wrong then I think you do a lot more for
poverty in many ways there are some people who need charity but I think most times people just need people out of the way so that they can go and create their own opportunities I think that's true for the most part in a lot of ways but I think that it's hard to undermine what Bill Gates has done for people that can't afford things you know what he's done as far as providing funds for education and and a lot of the charitable work they've done I don't know if that would all get have get gotten done if he stayed on at Microsoft and made it bigger and better and and no that wouldn't but other things would have like Microsoft would have grown would have added shareholder value to people who then would have donated some of that to charity he would have created more jobs he also would have opened up more uh over over seas offices in Africa and so which would have hired people and so that would have been more sustaining and again it's not to say there's no place for charity at all but the the balance between charity and opportunity on how to deal with poverty you know you had charity all through the Dark Ages all through the Middle Ages people gave money to the church and the church had uh you know Indigent houses for the poor didn't solve the problem of poverty that was solved by you know free markets and property rights and free trade and all that kind of stuff that solved the problem of poverty through that wealth you get uh charitable opportunities that weren't there for but fundamentally I think charity is a nice side dish to opportunity it's important but I think if we think that charity is going to create that wealth all it does is transfer and usually it's to a one-time use the nice thing with the entrepreneurial stuff it creates self-sustaining and self-growing economic opportunities you know the old thing give a man a fish and you know he'll vote for you forever teach a man to fish and uh he'll become a republican I don't know exactly how that goes aren't they teaching people in that sense though they providing a a possibility for Education that maybe wouldn't have existed for a lot of poor people so in in that they are teaching people of f education is important but education when you don't have a lot of economic opportunities like if you look
at Africa Africa is one of the few places where say in the 20th century like over the last 50 years it's declined in in net standard of living I mean it's wratchet I mean South Africa now like the rape capital of the world uh which you won't see on a lot of brochures yeah oh it's just unbelievable the crime rates and so on like uh if you rent a car in South Africa they actually have a a fire comes out the to deter carjackers you can push a button and have like little Jets of flame to come out to push carjackers back and the amount of Charity that's been applied in Africa is absolutely huge but generally it goes government to government right so you give a bunch of money to a bunch of corrupt South African dictators and then you sell them a whole bunch of arms and then you wonder why uh there's not a lot of freedom for the general population I think if you can scale back that I mean Africans would do fine as well as everyone else if they had the same economic opportunities give people a bunch of education and you still have a very corupt and fascistic style of government I'm not sure what they can really do with that education other than join the civil service which seems to happen quite a bit so I'm big one for like scaleb interference in the market people will create their own opportunities uh you know the last Fair let them alone let them trade let them build their own wealth and all that kind of stuff uh that really is inhibited charity will help people stuck in the sort of hardening Amber of fascist monstrous governments and that's needed for the people who are stuck there but I think the long-term solution has to be to try and find a way to track like let me give you one other hopefully not too boring example which is uh subsidies for agriculture ah wretched for the third world unbelievably disruptive for the third world because you know you give all these subsidies to Farmers and the farmers then grow too much crap uh and then what do they do they dump it in the third world which destroys the market for local farmers and you give all this food to the government the government then hands it out to people they like and don't hand it out to people they don't like thus reinforcing their power and then there's no local farming left because you so just one of these kinds
of examples if we stop screwing up their economies by selling Arms by dumping uh food on their markets and all that and even the foreign aid happens with that too I think they do fine but it's a lot easier to throw money at a problem than to actually try and deal with these IM immensely corrupt governments that's a really unknown but creepy aspect of the United States agriculture system is this this subsidies which causes people to grow food that they're not even going to use causes people to like to to to profit from corn and and to to to put a lot of effort and emphasis into things that they know that they're going to get subsidies from it's a real strange sort of Power Circle that goes on what it does to People's Health is wretched like yeah there's this tiny sugar industry in the United States very concentrated economic Force they get millions and millions and millions of dollars in subsidies and they've been trying to cut this for years but everybody you know Lobby and focus their efforts right and so what happened is when the the subsidies went when the tariffs the tax on on Imports of sugar went way up in the 70s what did people not do and they said wow sugar in America is really expensive what are we going to switch to high fructose corn syrup and yeah again I'm no nutritionist but there seem to be quite a lot of people out there who think that high fructose corn syrup has a lot to do with uh the the growing weight problem uh in the United States along with of course the fact that you've got you know Dairy Farmers and and wheat farmers and so on lobbying the government to create these horrible food pyramids where they say well low fat is is really important and then what do they do because if you take fat out of stuff and sugar out of stuff it takes like carport they take the fat out of the stuff that's in the grocery store and they put sugar or high fructose corn syrup in instead and then people like wow I guess this does taste good like I was at breakfast this morning I picked up a yogurt it says low fat right and what's a second ingredient it's high fructose corn syrup it's like that is not going to be give me the fat I'll take I I'll eat I'll shove a whole stick of butter up my nose rather than put that stuff into my system some fat is actually important yeah you need it for
your brain you need it for like lots of good stuff essential fatty acids they're important for your life where are you going to store your LSD exactly if you don't have the fat then you're in a business meeting how a tentacles going to come out of people's eyeballs 20 years from now you need a you need a suitcase for that stuff I think that's a fat myth I think I don't know people are just looking for excuse to get out of work saying they saw an octopus that's right I'm having a flashback man that's why I was so creative the last quarter when you start talking about um economics and you start talking about uh giving businesses more freedom people get real nervous because people think of businesses as being these monsters that they get power and then they just start trampling and stealing things it's like whoa whoa whoa whoa what are you growing over there what are you growing I'm growing a robot monster that's going to eat the world oh come on man you got to jump through government hoops and when have you ever seen a futuristic scientific uh science fiction movie with a negative portrayal of a corporation come on they're always so benevolent so wonderful awesome Corporation maybe big look corporations okay oh oh God I'm going to bore your listeners with econ 101 but okay corporations are State created horrible semi- fascistic monsters they do not exist in the free market Corporation has nothing to do with a free market you know we may start a business together and all that in the free market it's like okay you've started a business you don't get this Legal Shield you don't get to take profits out of the corporation when it makes money and then if it loses money you don't ever have to put anything back you don't have this thing where if the corporation or if you do something illegal the corporation can can get sued or can get fined and so on it's a Shield that is created to protect the people in charge as the corporations because they give a lot of money to uh to politicians Barack Obama the only reason he's in power is he took huge amounts of money from the financial sector uh more so than anyone else of course you don't really see this really talked about but this is why the bailout and all of this happened particularly under his watch the tarp and all of that stuff which was
started under Bush but expanded under Obama corporations did not exist until quite recently and in the past if you were the head of of a uh a trading company and your Trading Company lost money you could lose your house you could like you could that people could come after your personal assets so these guys were really careful about their Investments one they got this Legal Shield you know hey the corporation makes a billion bucks I can take that money out of the corporation and now it's mine and if if I then do something wrong the corporation loses a billion bucks too bad shareholders and employees pay the price I mean it's a wretched unfair system that has nothing to do with the free market of course the government always say the corporations are the problem to deflect uh you know what's really going on which is the corporate shield and the reasons why they gave this was a to get the money from the corporate owners and B because then they get to tax corporations and then everyone somehow thinks that there's this thing called a corporation like this blimp floating around the universe that you can tax for free like they did this fine recently $900 million uh on some Financial entity um for its wrong wrongdoings or whatever and people are like yeah you know they find that corporation like somehow the corporation is paying there's no Corporation what happens is the shareholders end up paying uh the employees don't get raises the customers end up with service fees I mean there's no Corporation to tax there's only people so anyway minor rant but the corporations they're just they're part of of the State uh State capitalism or what's sometimes called crapitalism which is just the government and and corporations working together technically that's fascism but it doesn't have anything to do with the free market it's just the modern bloated monstrosity that's been created and it's just people figuring out a way to extract money and manipulating the system to make it easier for them to extract money whether it's extracting money from taxes or whether it's extracting money in the form of political donations however they're figuring out a way to do it and what what gets crazy about it is that there's a bunch of human beings that are a part
of this thing that really isn't looking out for human beings I mean it's some people profit you get money from it but if you look at the ultimate destruction of these things like very often they're not looking out for people and I look I say this as an Insider I mean I I started a company um with my brother in the 90s we grew this company uh we sold it and then we went public and the process of going public is like having cocaine injected into your dick being lashed into a barrel full of psychotic monkeys and thrown off a cliff uh it's it's completely insane you you go mental you you focus on the stock price rather than building long-term value and you can make a fortune from Tiny upticks and down ticks in the stock price rather than focusing on satisfying your C it really draws your attention away you it's like you're you're chatting with your wife and some incredibly stacked woman in a bikini goes by and you don't have your sunglasses on to pretend that you're still staring at her even if you do they'll lift your sunglasses up that's right and it's like Mad Dog stocks are like continually having these incredible looking women go by while you're trying to focus on the love of your life and it's like you know your hormones are going one way and your you know your heart is going another it's completely insane it really warps your thinking and this is why corporations uh have given up on R&D have and focus entirely on marketing and stock pitches because the amount of money you can make is insane and it's because so many people's money is being forced into the stock market I mean it's like hurting a bunch of sheep off a cliff and saying well those sheep seem to be kind of suicidal now don't they it's like no it's because like you got a you 401k plan what happens if you don't put money in your 401k government takes it right what happens if you don't invest in various instit like if the if if your money gets taken from a union the union has to invest it uh in your pension plans and all of that unions have a huge amount of say in what happens in the stock market who wants to be in the stock market I don't want to be in the stock market maybe you do because you you're thrilled junkie and all that but I don't want to be I don't want to be in the stock market I I really really the
stock market is for people who know what they're doing I don't want to be in the stock market nobody I know wants to be in the stock market but we all have to be in the stock market because it's like it's like that old joke where in Scotland right Scotland Scottish people are supposed to be cheap That's The Stereotype when I grew up and so you know an Englishman and a Scotsman are walking down and uh you know a uh a thief comes up and says I'm going to rob you of everything you've got and the Scotsman turns to English guy and says here's that 20 quid that I owe you you know cuz it's like you're going to lose the money so you give it you know give it to the so the government's going to take your money by force or you give it to a bunch of parasitical three-eyed roach faced stock Brokers right it's like okay give it to the stock Brokers you know if the guy's going to steal my money I'll put it on red 22 and that's how the stock market works so there's way too much money in the stock market there should be like 1% of the money that's in the stock market that's there now so you got these massive tsunamis of cash rolling back and forth you gave me a good coffee here I just want to mention pretty strong it's caveman coffee holla to my friend Tate FL so I'm going to you know do three more Rants and then face plant into the lffy wood table you're going to hang in there because that's got MCT oil and butter so it's going to you're going to hang in there it's going to have a lot more so I'm going to have like really strange [ __ ] in the morning maybe that'll Happ nothing nice and s-shaped it's going to be like the subtitles to it's going to be the subtitles to some Japanese movie that's going to be in the it's going to be like if he stuck mud in a musket and then just pull that pin back and boom let it go right so so yeah I mean there's just way too much money in the stock market corporations are are are taking moral and financial and legal responsibility away from so executive so this is just natural you know you you know you you you drug a ballerina you get a weird show but it's not the ballerina it's just what happens right that's a very funny expression you drug a ballerina you get a weird show that should be there should be a photo of you like this like an internet
meme and it just says you drug a ballerina you get a weird show Stefan muling you that's so true it's a great way of putting it and I think what a lot of what you're bitching about and we're we're we're both bitching about is um it comes down to a couple of things it comes down to uh human beings uh being born into into a system that's already [ __ ] up it uh comes down to managing your own thinking as well figure out how to way you as an individual who has allegedly and it's another debate has free will that's a huge debate the Free Will debate which is very esoteric and strange I don't I can't I'm not qualified I would I like to have you and Sam Harris discuss the the Free Will debate I I I agree and disagree with with both sides so I don't know uh I don't know what's correct or what's not when it comes to I would do that but only if you would call it like a a um mixed martial arts fight that would be the only thing and only if one of us wins with a choke out it would be very distracting some of my debates I I thought you know this debate would go way better if we had a choke out option at the end of it you can just press a button and and both of you get down to your shorts and just start duking it out yeah that's yeah that that just the threat of that is what keeps people gentlemanly actually you know when when people know that there will be no physical violence they can get very squirly you know people can get very mouthy again I don't want to keep harping on rich kids but have you ever been around like a really spoiled rich kid that likes to yell at at people that are working yell at security or yell I have a friend who does security and uh there's a a famous person I won't name but her name rhymes with Paris Hilton and she was out and she got shitty with my friend who is essentially he's a killer he's a I mean he's he's not working security cuz he's a CutiePie he's working security because he understands how to keep people secure so he knows how to deal with threats he knows how to deal with violence okay and you get he's good at disassembling people if yeah and some person is just [ __ ] on him that's remarkably similar to Paris Hilton might not have been Paris Hilton whatever whatever but I mean why would she get away with that
why would anybody why would anybody think they can get away with that it's because they know the threat of violence doesn't exist well and you know as well Joe that there's a huge tendency that people have to mistake accidents of birth for personal virtues yes it's that that old saying like you think that you hit a triple but you were born on third yeah so people who are rich they think well I'm I'm better they they're born rich you didn't earn that like there guy in my high school his father I think was running the Toronto Stock Exchange or whatever and you know I was L this little tiny apartment with my mom and my brother and you know it it's like the matriarchal manners it was all like the the the uh fallout from like the 60s and 70s feminist Revolution divorce rate was through the roof and it was all the single mom Ville like the the the girlfriend farm for the thug industry and we went over to this guy's place to rehearse some play we were working on and it was just it went on forever and you know these are the kids 16 you know they get their uh they get their sports car and that they show up in school and everyone is like oooing and eyeing and these guys are preing and I get it they're 16 what do they know right what did I know when I was 16 but that's just an accident you know just happened to be born there you know like it wasn't like you you laser targeted from the stalk Army and decided to go to that house rather than some other place you know like you're not a guided missile of of wise pre prenatal aiming and so I I we all have that you know and it's true people who are born pretty or people who are born rich or you know people guys sometimes just born tall or you got good Athletics or or you know like I was told when I was a kid uh if effort matched ability you'd be an A+ you know like I just wasn't trying hard enough it wasn't the school's fault wasn't my family's fault it wasn't a chaotic or crazy situation where I was growing up we weren't poor we I didn't have to have three jobs I just needed to work a little harder like the other kids did who had good homes and all that it's natural and and we have a very tough time really getting how much our environment has to do with who we become absolutely because that gives you a lot of humility like okay I was born with a
fairly good brain and you know fairly good Language Center I try to use that for as much good as I can but with all the humility of knowing that you know I mean if if I'd been hit the wrong way with the ball when I was a kid I'd be a whole different person uh if I'd been born as you said you know different race a different country different culture I mean you know not a lot of female playwrights in Iran you know because it's just bad luck sorry you know you really drew the the Short Straw we have a very tough time and and I think that basic Humanity that we have is is diminishing and it's catastrophic and it's diminishing largely because of single moms because wow the the statistic is that by far the best predictor I'm waving this pen at you like trying to talk about empathy let me just do my finger the best predictor for the growth of empathy in a human being is the close presence of a father uh this is something that's kind of unknown because we all think that moms are about the um uh the nurturing and the emotional development so on but statistically you know uh outside unstructured play plus the presence of a dad is the biggest thing in developing empathy you take farest out of the equation in society this is R sociopathy has doubled over the last 15 years this is basically why we have a welfare state is the destruction of the family it's not a welfare state it's a single mother State it's it's all making up for not having a provider well the problem with phrasing it like that though is you say that the issue is single mothers but the issue is really that the father isn't around whether or not it was the mother's fault the father's fault whoever's fault it was that that relationship didn't work out whether it's mutual or one person you know has the majority of the blame it's that the family's broken up it's not that the single mom it's just that the family's broken up maybe it's like so uh I think we're about the same age is that right 46 how old are you I'm 47 so uh we got a younger person in the room yeah Jamie's 121 Jamie I didn't know some Italian kids who had that kind of growth on their face when weird yeah the ones who had to shave the backs of their Knuckles like after they turn 10 that's the rual
here's your here's your finger shaver now that you're 10 yeah okay so in your gener how old are you 31 I just turned yesterday okay so happy birthday sweetie did you really I did happy birthday um who asks who out is it women ask men out is it Mutual men ask women this is a completely broaded question it depends entirely on the game of said individuals I know but generally I mean in general generally guys of course girls don't ask men out they don't have to okay okay so so so so then we can't say that single moms is equally shared because the single mom like men propose women dispose right I mean men say I want to date you or have sex with you or sounds like something Al Sharpton would say it does Rhyme yeah but I'm afraid I don't have that propose women dispose what do you mean by that well so men say I want to date you I want have sex with you I want to go out with you and the women say yes or no well men are generally more aggressive and women are generally more desirable so that makes us have to go after them I mean heterosexual men how can we possibly figure that out right I of course women are more desirable to us but you know to lesbians no wait that would that doesn't make any sense so more even to them they just they just for whatever reason I can't figure out what women see in us at all like I just I I fundamentally like intellectually maybe I think that that men have a lot of value in relationships but you know we are 4y we're smelly uh we sit at odd angles uh we don't cross our legs uh we you know we rarely use napkins and I I I cannot understand why we need like 10 times more pillows than people on the bed I like during the day when it's anyway these are things are confusing to me but but fundamentally women say yes or no to to relationships so they they do get to choose who the man is a lot more than the man gets to choose who the woman is oh I don't know about that I I don't agree with that I think that ultimately it boils down to once you finally meet each other do you like each other and if the woman likes the man as much as the man likes a woman it works out and if they don't then there becomes this weird balance of power this weird shifting sort of a thing but I think there's a lot of men that don't want in a relationship and
they end it or you know they pursue and they end it I think it's probably I don't want to be a 50/50 I don't want to give you a statistic but I would say there's a good number of men who end relationships and a good number of women who end relationships to put all the power in the women's side is I think it's well not all of course see we disagree on something we found one but we have facts to to mediate so statistically uh it's it depends on how you measure it but that 70 to 80% of marriages are ended by women is that true or is it that men are so [ __ ] douchy that the women have no choice that the men have given up a long time ago and they just don't want to [ __ ] bother going to the court so just shut the [ __ ] up I'm going to go out and they shut the door and then the woman calls the lawyer and well the woman ended that relationship did she or was it Mutual just one person decided to make the call to the lawyer but did the guy already give up to the point where he was just treating her like [ __ ] hoping she would leave that's like the old Sam Kennison joke about marriage he goes you know he goes he goes uh he go I don't like to break up with women so what I do is I just stay up all night do Coke for four or five days I come home drunk and smelling like [ __ ] and and get to a point where she leaves you she leaves you cuz you're falling apart and he goes and here's the best part she feels like [ __ ] cuz she left you when you needed her most it's perfect I was at my lowest e honey and then you just you could have been there for me we could have been a successful team together yeah there there's weak [ __ ] on both sides there's weak with that I agree with that but I don't Behavior I don't think that we give I don't think we give women enough responsibility in this area I think that men generally want to protect women I think that men generally oh that's crazy I don't agree with that at all you don't think men want to protect women they they want to protect the ones that they love but the reason why so many women get sexually assaulted isn't because so many men want to protect them men want to [ __ ] you know and they want to when they get a girl that they like to [ __ ] they want to hold on to or make sure nobody else hurts her you know I mean that's the the ape [ __ ] you know
that's the the worst aspects of people but the idea that men want to generally protect women sure is less than they want to generally protect themselves though you know and I think less than less than really would be ideal if you look at the balance of power between men and women the real issue is the physical strength the real issue is that men can physically do things to women like where where does rape come from where does violence against women comes from comes from people that are that are capable of committing violence against women and rape you know a like a woman like Ronda Rousey UFC champion doesn't have to worry about some 100 pound dude who smoke cigarettes you know what I'm saying she literally doesn't have to she'd be in the room with them and you know he'd be like [ __ ] I want to rape you oh really boom drop him on his head and he'd be unconscious I mean she'd break his arm off that's that's a physical situation that women have to deal with that men don't and I think for sure we could do a way better job of of addressing that and I think you know like this one this Stubenville rape case you know this case in Ohio you know this case bunch of football players got together High School football players got some underage girl drunk raped her and then the guys went to jail and they just got out um why is that why is it so horrible well here's what's so horrible about it it was a girl it was men that did it to a girl if it was a bunch of women who raped a guy they got him drunk and sucked his dick for an hour and a half everyone would be laughing about it okay it's a sexual act that happens to a woman who can't control herself and then you find out that it's a football player group a group of giant athletes a group of super strong men who obviously could have physically dominated her as well it becomes a horrific act if you simply reverse the Sexes it becomes a comedy if it's some nerd who uh gets too drunk in a sority and they all [ __ ] him for three or 4 hours and take pictures of his penis it's a comedy but because it's a woman it's a tragedy and the reason why it's a tragedy is because men are physically stronger it's really that simple so the idea that I think that that men want to physically protect women man there's a lot of evidence that they don't you know I think it's a giant
broad generalization I think the nicest men certainly do I think I would certainly if I was seeing a woman that was being physically assaulted or something I would absolutely risk my health to help her I wouldn't be able to live myself if I didn't especially if I cared about her right especially given your training too right I mean you you know how to do this stuff yeah well that's that's also part of it is I know that I I have some preparation in that that area which is a very terrifying thing for people who don't you know I've seen people involved in physical altercations who don't know how to defend themselves and it becomes like you're facing a werewolf it becomes like the most horrific thing in the world because you're going to get slaughtered and you know you're going to get slaughtered and people they hyperventilate they don't know how to deal with the stress that's I think you're doing yourself a disservice as a human being if you don't know how to defend yourself a little bit and you're a man yeah okay so a lot of points too many maybe perhaps too many do you know uh who gets raped more men or women in America well men do but here's the problem that statistic they're getting raped by men MH so even though men get raped more they're getting raped by men so men are still the [ __ ] problem men are just raping they're raping men and they're raping women yeah they rape men more but that's just because we keep them pinned up with men if we had no prisons and everyone ran free and we just [ __ ] slaughtered people that that we are absolutely sure don't contribute to society whether they're murderers or rapist we just slaughter them we would have the rape stuff would pretty much die off right it's keeping men together locked in a box and making them [ __ ] each other yeah men yeah but it's doing it the real problem with that you know that's the the MRA argument against feminism is that men actually get raped more than women but by men it's it's still a shitty argument well it's not I think it's not argument against feminism I think what it is is not something that people generally know uh and like for instance that's pretty common knowledge most people not I was surprised again that certainly no gauge of everyone also as you probably know
like 96 97 98% of workplace deaths are are male and all that kind of stuff right sure so I I think or the fact that 50% of domestic violence um recipients are men right men being battered and they actually you can't get there's no men's battered shelters you actually can't get you can't get security you can't get this is America son we don't defend [ __ ] some chicks are kicking your ass I say that in all just uh one of my favorite people ever was murdered by his wife Phil Hartman oh yeah a fellow Toronto native brilliant brilliant comedian and uh I knew both of them very well I knew him and I knew her and it was uh you know a horrific scene and very very tragic and if you you know if you know someone like that you know that it is possible for a woman to do it to a man just like it's possible for a man do with a woman there's weapons ladies and gentlemen there's knives and there's guns and sleeptime and by the way you know the that that's there's good and bad in that the good in that is that you can defend yourself against a man if someone's you know if you're a woman and you're physically weak but you have a gun you can say get the [ __ ] out of my house and the guy has to run away cuz you have a Gun there's good in that but there's also you know people you know people do horrible things they get angry at each other and it happens with both sexes with men and with women it's there's there's no need to generalize it's it's all just shitty people it's all just shitty people and shitty circumstances and a gigantic past of momentum of terrible decision-making that's LED you to this really unstable current state that you find yourself in and then you add drugs you add anti-depressants you know I mean I believe you and I discussed this the last time we talked but the amount of [ __ ] School shooters that are on anti-depressants like causation does not re you know people want to pretend there's not like a relation between those two like the FDA disagree the FDA has black warning the strongest warning labels on this stuff yeah causes suicidal ideation causes homicidal rage causes I mean on some people yeah yeah some people that's what we have to realize it's like it's not a black and white thing it's some people die from [ __ ] peanuts okay some people can't
pet a dog or they they go into a hyperventilating shock I mean some people literally around dogs their their throat will constrict and they can't breathe massively allergic to dander cats same thing people are all people are different a lot of people are allergic to weird [ __ ] and but a lot of people also could benefit from being healthier this is one of the things we discussed before the podcast started like how many people that take an anti-depressant could have fixed their problem just with a little exercise and diet change with a little just getting around better people having a better relationship being a friendlier person trying to exercise the stress out of your life both mentally and physically and then let's see what kind of emotional and psycholog State you're in because the idea that this we need a holistic approach to the human organism and that holistic approach should really have a a big impact in what kind of medication we subscribe to people I think it should have a massive impact and if you find someone and the P person is eating [ __ ] Donuts all day and you know they sleep four hours a night they're constantly drinking red bulls and they're depressed huh okay we got to fix this first or they're a smart person underachieving uh in some deadend job and they don't have people around them saying listen man you've got more to offer the world let's let's findy the way to get you out of the hamster wheel and get you on some flat track the dead end Jobs dead end lives dead end relationships are almost just as bad as some physical a ailment I mean they literally do suck the [ __ ] life out of you we've all experienced it to some degree if we've if we're lucky because it makes us appreciate the good times when you do uh experience something along those lines but I think that man you got to really deal with that first before anything else and there's too many people in this world that want want a pill they just want to fix things and I I've said this before but I have to say it again just in the interest of clarity this is coming from a person who I know several people who have benefited tremendously from anti-depressants it's not a black and white thing it's not a either or there's a lot of variables when it comes to anti-depressants when
it comes to medication when it comes to mental health there's a lot of variables and we've done some amazing things to help a lot of people that have really had real issues but we got to figure out who the [ __ ] actually has issues and who doesn't and the statistic that you brought up before the podcast was over 41 out of four women on anti-depressants yeah in America I think yeah 35 of 40 and over one out of four women on anti-depressants and those are just the people who've gone and gotten diagnosed right lots of other yeah I mean there is there's a lot of good things that are happening I think in the world with regards to Human Relationships I think that we we are getting smarter I think we are getting more positive I think that we are getting dare I use the hack need Victorian term more virtuous better in our relationships you know there's an awareness of of beating and emotional abuse and all I think that the standards are kind of raising right and right you know Dr Phil is like the number one daytime show and he talks a lot about you know how to be reasonably decent human beings in relationships which is sad that he has to keep saying that you know like stop screaming at each other stop hitting each other stop doing drugs stop you know yelling you got to go to Dr Phil to figure out your [ __ ] life you're you're way behind the ball there's a lot of other [ __ ] you need to cover right but so I think a lot of that stuff has been going uh re really well but I think there's a lot of stuff that is not not going well so well I mean a lot of you know just basic things you were talking the other day about breastfeeding I remember you were looking up on the uh you're looking up on the web say oh no I just take the first website and that's that's how it work that's true that's true that's the way it works that's how you do it and anything that disagrees with that isense it's just Overkill to go to the second one I mean too much work it wouldn't be first if it wasn't right that's that's the key thing but so yeah I mean like 30 you was saying 30% of women still are only breastfeeding for the minimum minimum amount of time six six months um I was read uh this guy Steven Pinker I think would be if you can get him on he's a really smart guy great to talk to um but he's I think he's a
neurobiologist neuroscientist he's um uh and and he basically was there's a lot of studies out there that say that they sort of personality traits go like 50% genetic and maybe they can get zero to 10% is uh the parents and the rest of it is kind of cultural and so on right and you know I'm not going to argue with the science I'm not a scientist but I will say that I think that parents don't have really that much involvement in kids lives from a guidance standpoint that much anymore I read the statistic the other day that said the average dad has like 20 minutes of conversation with his children every week whoa average right and so and and that and that's just that's of the people who are present that doesn't count the dads who are absent and so on because you know the typical you know two family working I mean what's their day like I mean I've seen it I've seen it up close and this is one of the reasons I never wanted to have kids cuz I saw what happened you know you get up at 6:00 in the morning you got to get your kids up breakfast get them out to the school bus you go to your work all day you sweating bullets to get pick them up uh the after school daycare or wherever they are get them home feed them do homework bathe them you know get them to bed and then you start the whole thing again it's all just her management it's all just keep them going through the the Maze and all that and I think that um like I I've been a stay-at-home dad my daughter is is five now and there's a lot of little guidance things that happen during the week about how to modify you know where they're going help to help them understand sharing or empathy or understanding how to do win-win negotiations rather than just focus on what they want which is natural for little kids but it's all these tiny little Corrections that are scattered throughout the week you you don't know when they're going to be but you have to kind of be around for them and I think that we don't really have much opportunity for modern parents to really stay involved like we're kind of designed as a species to be around our parents you know they were there with the fields the dads would take them you went hunting recently dads would take them out hunting and stuff like that and that's when you have your conversations
and you teach the kids the values and all that kind of stuff it's really been supplanted by you know government by daycare government schools and all of that that's who we're kind of bonding with that's who we're kind of letting raise our kids and and I I can understand why there's very little influence of parents over children's Behavior I don't think that's natural I think that's just the way Society has been structured or rather the society we've kind of inherited and I really would like to see um I said say this on my show all the time to people who call in it's like wow we're going to have kids but I got to work it's like you don't you know I mean you went into debt to go to school I mean this is important just at least for the first couple of years you know my daughter's her brain is like 90% done now at five yeah I mean it it's mine is too unfortunately she going to be crazy so now you're really stuck on that train track right she we we were uh at a hotel this weekend and uh we went skiing and the three-year-old uh zipped up her uh her luggage but she forgot something and so my wife says uh honey uh you're not going to fit that you have to put your boots in there and she goes oh [ __ ] and there's something about seeing a three-year-old go ah [ __ ] and you realize ooh okay that to The Human Condition first of all that's obviously me okay I need to either stop saying that or embrace the idea of a three-year-old saying it it's one of those cuz I don't think there's anything wrong with saying oh [ __ ] when you Le say but if you do it in certain circumstances in school and work it's going to be a problem so I have to figure out what my daughter loves Bible stories really I'm I'm an atheist so do you say once upon a time before you tell them oh I know she knows their stories okay yeah we call him the big invisible guy do you go old school Old Testament or do you go oh we do the whole thing oh okay yeah I I've told her the story of you know um the guy who's going to kill his son because the big invisible guy I say bake him in an ice cream like bake him in a pie with whipped cream because you know it's AIC I don't have knife to the throat I mean she she was four but she loves the big invisible guy stories so she loves the Noah one she loves the
Adam and Eve one with the snake and the Apple it's all I mean these stories they've they' stood the test of time they're really some of the best stories around who was going to kill his his uh son was it Cain and Abel no no Cain and Abel were the son of Adam and Eve they were brothers and they killed each other right I said Isaac and Abraham I think no Isaac and I know do we have a Abraham yeah ABR son right so any God was asking him to kill his son for him yeah you know as a love test yeah just because you know that's how you know if someone really loves you like you know this is why you know you give this um you give this to your to your wife you know like I would I would murder our Offspring for you and that's the Hmart card that really helps your wife understand how much you love her I'm just or an ex-boyfriend the mury ex-boyfriend I will find that way you live exboyfriend that beat you up I'll murder him and tell you I love you but and I'm trying to tell the stories in a neutral way right like it's again I have my my opinions on all these stories and all that but she really likes the stories and she's a huge fan of Lucifer whoa I mean Lucifer is the guy he is like her superhero you know like he is her Mighty Morphin Power Rangers she thinks he is just the coolest cuz he's always standing up to big invisible guy right and right um because she for her prayer is you know everyone standing around say oh you're the best oh you're the best oh you're the greatest oh I love you so much oh you're the best you know and so you know Lucifer gets kind of tired of that and leads the rebellion and all that because you know I said you know just keep saying it and she's I'm getting tired of it it's like no no no keep saying it because it's an eternity of saying that to the guy right and she's like oh man I'm really tired I want to sit down it's like like now you know how Lucifer felt out of it anyway so she's got this great uh she this great song yeah which goes basically uh Lucifer was right Lucifer was right you know from the songs and I'm just waiting because you know in Canada there's some homeschooling which is kind of what on schooling what we're doing but a lot of them are are Christians right so we're GNA at some point be around a bunch of Christian kids and she's going to break
into this song and I just I'm looking forward to that moment of of trying to explain that uh maybe she's referring to a beetle song I don't know I I completely bail on her at that point so I don't know why she gets us well the real issue is you're going to have to mingle with those Christian parents the real issue when you have children uh besides raising the children which is of course the primary one and teaching them and everything is dealing with these other parents and seeing it's it's really weird when I see people with their kids you know see how little they interact with their kids see how like non appreciative they are of their kids how they're always distracted or always it's the Ring of cell phones around the playground you know like throw your cell phone go play go into stupid McDonald's tubes and go play with your kids I know a woman who's a psychologist and she picks up her kid and she's on her phone while she's picking the kid up the kid's trying to talk to her about school and she's like uhhuh uhhuh uhhuh and she's texting it's it's you know I mean you just the kid was gone for five hours and when you picking them up you're texting it's it's so it's so attractive to us though it's so easy to do it's so easy to ignore we get so used to you know the kid being around and we get so used to our own free time that oh my daughter's really good at that s she's great CU you know like I'm trying to teach her eye contact right because you know when she's a kid you know I don't know if they can't focus when they look at you but they tell stories like they're just watching the biggest disco light show on the planet and you're just like some leaf or something right and so I tried to remind her you know eye contact when we're talking that kind of stuff right so the other day of course and you know I try oh Joe I try you know and I you know but every now and then like I get donations my whole show is just donations right no ads or anything and so you know when a donation comes in it's like o kibble you know like I'm I'm like the rat with the tell it you know kibble what did I get and I got this little kaching noise that comes in cuz I'm four anyway so you know the kaching noise come in my daughter was telling me something really important for her and all that and and yeah she's great she's
like four she's like Daddy eye contact eye contact you know like you're absolutely right I'm so sorry how rude that was of me I apologize that's hilarious yeah it's fascinating to watch their little brains develop isn't it and watch the way they they interact with each other and how they see the world and and realize like that this is how a person is shaped and this is the number one problem that we have as a race is that we don't respect this process and that we also don't respect this process and strangers especially people that we know are [ __ ] people in bad neighborhoods people in bad circumstances people in abusive families we know they're [ __ ] and we don't we don't do anything to stop it it's one thing that I keep harping on is that if we have a resource whether it's uh oil or gold mean we protect that resource and and you know we we set up laws and we attach a value to it but our number one resource for for sure is human beings we have created all that you see whether it's laptops or buildings or cars that's all from a human being the best way to ensure that that continues to go on is to have less losers in the world the best way to have less losers is help out kids educate kids get on the ball with them very early and do something as a society Pro protect them primary before we go into war before we go into all this stupid [ __ ] that we do to spying on people's [ __ ] emails and looking into their cell phone record before you do any of that how about you protect kids first that should be of primary importance and it should be like one of those things where your kid you know wants to go out and play like have you done your homework you haven't done your homework you can't play it's that [ __ ] simple you can't have your Wars unless you fix the kids okay and they're they're so smart and I you know I was I've had a whole bunch of experts on my show uh which who talk about the native intelligence of of kids like kids can not do mathematical reasoning at seven or eight months of age they can start do using empathy at 14 months my daughter at the age of of four we started playing a game called subjective versus objective you know like is this something subjective like I like ice cream or is this something objective like ice cream is made from milk and you
know we'd point at stuff and say subjective or objective you know I like jzs subjective or objective and she's like bang rattling them off the other day she was saying to me dad you know we've talked a lot she's you always ask me about the show in fact I should have been taking notes because she's asked me all about you uh what's going to be the topic and I said you know what I have no idea I know it's going to be interesting to chat with Joe no idea what we're going to talk about and those the best conversations yeah yeah she's asked all about you know where you're from and what you do and she's fascinated by mixed martial arts and all that kind of stuff and uh um and so she's going to ask me all so we and I do some shows on economics and so we talked a little bit about that you know fat money and all that and I diagram stuff out for her and she gets it really gone through the whole history of the Second World War the other day she says you know what Daddy I think I've decided what I want to do I think when I get bigger I I think I just like to work I think I I want to be the government I I'd love to be the government because I just I want to type whatever I want into my bank account and I was just like wow you just nailed the Federal Reserve like right there in a in a nutshell type whatever I want into my bank account that is such four-year-old logic but perfect yeah that is what it is they can print their own money yeah it's beautiful what a great system yeah no and I I come out of the sort of libertarian world right so I mean I'm an anarchist but I come out of the libertarian world and Libertarians very much as we talked about non non-aggression principle and so on and I've been fighting this this battle in the libertarian world and in other worlds as well around you know things to me as basic as spanking right I I wasn't sure we we touched on this we did both agre about this just throw a few stats for the audience who hasn't seen it before more than 90% of parents of toddlers say they've spanked their child toddlers 6 61% of moms 3 to 5 year olds have spanked their child in the past week boys spanked a lot more than girls boys are also diagnosed with ADHD which is one of the symptoms of spanking a lot more than girls spanking can continue
into the Adolescent years 30 to 40% of people in Junior High kids in junior high are still being spanked moms do spank children a lot more than fathers do even controlling for time spent with kids and all of that kind of stuff uh economic status doesn't have a huge amount to do with spanking but culture does so African-Americans uh do do a more corporal punishment uh religious conservatives uh fundamentalists do a lot more corporal punishment and so on and this to me is is such a fundamental thing I'm I'm very much for philosophy that you can do philosophy that you can act on values that you can do I don't like the Federal Reserve I think Central Banking is a monstrous cancer in the eyeball of society but I can't really do much about it other than rant and Rave about it but we can what we can do is you know do some Basics like stop hitting kids you know that to me is a very fundamental thing and in the libertarian Community that's a challenge lot a lot of um religious conservatives in the libertarian Community as you know like on the on the right among Republicans there tend to be more religious people on the left as secularists less religious people but more socialists and so on and it is really tough you know to just get that basic thing across we tell kids not to hit each other and we hit kids and we've all I don't know if you you out there you see bad parenting sometimes when you're out and you you actually and I'll usually say something to the parents because I don't want my my a I think is the right thing to do I don't want my daughter to see me be all about the ethics and then not talk to people doing something wrong but you can see parents hit kids saying don't hit your sister MH and and that the fact that they can do that without their heads exploding from this Wormhole contradiction of pretzel logic is just astounding but it is something we still have a long way to go in I think we're kind of slowly getting there but we have a long way to go and just let's not hit kids and I think how much of the world would change if we didn't do that would I think we would be virtually unrecognizable as a culture I couldn't agree more you know I read this article recently on my message board uh I I don't have it in front of me so I apologize to whoever posted it but it
was about a man who got stuck in the financial system of divorce and it was from his perspective he committed suicide lit himself on fire I started reading his perspective and they came to his house and you know he had his initial issue because he slapped his daughter in the mouth so hard that her mouth was bleeding and uh he did it because she was licking his hand she kept licking his hand so he slapped her in the mouth till her mouth was and then everything I I I stopped reading right there I'm like I don't want to know this guy and I don't I I'm sad that he was so [ __ ] up that he committed suicide but if I saw a guy slap his daughter in the face because she you know was licking his hand I would have to really suppress my urge to strangle him yeah I mean that's violence that's violence to someone who cannot defend themselves and can't leave choose to be there not only that it's it's fundamentally the most [ __ ] up kind of violence because you're doing it to a developing human being who you allegedly love you're teaching them that violence is a part of life by the people that they respect the most and that it can be done to you at any time when you don't agree with whatever [ __ ] guidelines and rules they've set up like licking your hand if my daughter was licking my hand I'd be laughing my ass off I would think it's so funny the idea that I'd smack her in the mouth is just [ __ ] insane but people they they fall into this pattern and they they don't don't realize that violence is violence just because you're not going to hurt the kid that bad you're just going to spank him you think it's no big deal [ __ ] yeah it's a big deal that kid it's a horrific situation you're doing something then they can't control you're holding their arm you're moving their body and then this big hand comes and slaps their ass and they feel pain and they feel confused because you've acted out against them you've not only acted out against them you've done it aggressively yelling and slapping and like it's a terrible it's terrible precedent to set a terrible idea to plant in a child's mind and it's unnecessary it's just not necessary for you to tell me that you can't sit down and reason with your child and and do it with love and yeah they're going to
freak out and [ __ ] flail sometimes and get mad and yell and that's because they're a [ __ ] child you piece of [ __ ] you don't Smack them you know you hitting your friends it's like hitting your I don't don't hit anybody man well and and in particular you know the moral concentration of like blackhearted nastiness you know you hit your wife she she got to date you she got to you know you had an engagement she you know she she chose you and you chose her but if you hit your wife she at least had she get to test drive you she you know and then she can leave at any time she's an adult she's got shelters she's got whatever people will help her hopefully but kids they didn't choose you as parents you know and and they can't leave and and they have no options and I say this to my daughter you know I say um I say I know you're not here by choice you know I you didn't choose me as a dad I choose to have kids I you didn't choose me as a dad the way I have to parent is I want to parent like if my daughter did have a choice of any dad in the world that she would choose me like and so I imagine cream cookies all day long absolutely and and I and and and what about feedback you know and I I go to my local pizza joint half the time I have to fill out well don't they give me this comment card to fill out you know how did you like the pizza you know was it good for you was it bad for you you know they want to know they want to have a good pizza and how many times do parents do that with their kids say how am I doing you know how's your experience of my parenting you know what's more important a [ __ ] slice of pizza or your relationship with your Offspring you know ask them how you're doing how could today have been better what did I do that that you liked what did I do that you didn't like and all that get that kind of feedback I don't it's just weird that that we don't even think of doing that well I think your perspective is very unique in the fact that you are a stay-at-home dad and you do have the resources to be able to do that it's it's it's really hard for a lot of people and that's what you were talking about before that number is pretty crazy the 20 minutes a week I didn't know that it was that low but honestly not shocked I don't have a
regular life but I've dabbled in regular life you know I've had like jobs that take me away for a long period of time during the day and I could only imagine what kind of energy you have to devote to a kid if the mother both the mother and the father both leave the house all day long work an 8 hour day and then come home how much is left there's not even much time the kid's going to be awake yeah you how much energy do you have left how much Focus are you putting on that kid during the day and and we have this again a couple more stats um we have this idea that the moms have to be there and the dads can be there but a study conducted by Dr Kyle puit found that infants between 7 and 30 months respond more favorably to being picked up by their fathers he also found a father's parenting style is beneficial for a child's physical cognitive and emotional and behavioral development and mothers tend to reassure toddlers when they become frustrated while fathers encourage them to manage their frustration my daughter's like this so she's learning to do all these things and and most of her friends are older because you know we're not the youngest parents on the Block and so a lot of her friends can do stuff better than she can she gets frustrated and me helping her talk it through that frustration and reminding her that I didn't know how to do this stuff and you know she's trying to do racket Sports and I remember took me years to become good at racket Sports so uh so that's important for for kids as well I mean it's really important to remember you know the the mom and the kid they used to be the same freaking person you know like she grew her they like it's like my arm you know it's not like a separate thing whereas dad's have a little bit more objectivity around that a longer term study that this guy did to prove that a father's active involvement with his kids from birth to adolescence promotes greater emotional balance stronger curiosity a stronger sense of self assurance additional studies during the first five years of a child's life the father's role is more influential than the mother's in how the child learns to manage his or her body navigate social social circumstances in play and the last one is this is a 1996 study that I was referring to before by
McGill University uh the single most important childhood factor in developing empathy is paternal involvement in child care the study further concluded that children who spend time alone bonding with their children more than twice per week brought up the most compassionate adults um so how do they measure that how's that quantifiable um it seems like a weird all those statistics seem very odd it's like how do you know what caused a person to have more empathy how do you know what caused a person to be able to move better and I mean how do you how do you where where prove that again it's sort of a many to many relationship so they they ask the fathers you know how often were you involved and maybe they even measure them if it's sort of a live study and then they measure the compassion and then they measure a whole bunch of other things and if the other things don't change the compassion measure but then the parental involvement is what moves the needle then they assume that that's close to causal but isn't the issue also that parental involvement like say if a father is involved a lot in the kid's life he's also probably likely involved in the the relationship with the wife and maybe the wife would be more happy the father and the wife would be more happy and because of that they would both be better parents so could you know it might not just be that the impact of having a man around does all these things and creates empathy it might be the impact of having a successful family as well right right now and that certainly is true and again I didn't run the studies I assume that they've tried like whenever you question they always tried to tease it out this way or that way and they they do try to find that answer um but I do think that compassion again you know I mean your marriage you've got you've got kids floating around and all that and they're not floating but they're but uh they were floating at one point and then they came out through the magic chamber uh but uh I I think you know I mean my wife's skills as a parent are are fantastic and um but but there are some differences between us you know and I don't know whether it's biological or whether it's just the way we're raised or whatever but uh you know I encourage
more risk-taking uh I'm I encourage you know if you fall off the horse get back up on again kind of stuff and I think that's just a kind of a natural kind of difference and um I'm also more encouraging of you know my daughter is like crazy friendly I keep thinking she's going to go up to someone sometimes an unfriendly world like a cheese up to a greater you know and just kind of get shredded because you know we go places and she just goes up to kids and says hi would you like to be friends fantastic up a little you know oh I love it wouldn't that be everybody was on ecstasy that's how we would interact with each other that was one one of the thing that we got a little bit off topic but one of the things that I wanted to uh complete this this thought on when you were talking about anti-depressants and um we're talking about the good and the bad of them I think right now one of the issues that we have with this idea of manipulating human neurochemistry is that it's not really done they there's it's it's not a complete art form yet it's not something like dying your hair like if your hair is gray and you want to have black hair you simply go to the market and you buy some hair color and you put it in your hair and now your hair's black it really is that [ __ ] easy I mean they've got it down to a science you see guys that are [ __ ] 80 years old they have jet black hair and it looks ridiculous the yeah but I think we we do have the potential just like we have mastered virtually every other aspect of our world that we live in whether it's high-speed communication or the ability to you know combustion engines lithium on batteries one day they're going to figure out how to engineer Consciousness and you have this you have this opportunity to take a pill or get a shot or whatever and you have ultimate Clarity and you [ __ ] think much better and you're a better person I keep swinging my hands through the air and knocking [ __ ] onto my keyboard I am literally [ __ ] when it comes to that I'm looking for something to hand you I got nothing we're all right we're all right I got some paper towels here it didn't didn't really get on anything it just got a little bit on my screen but I think that one day they're going to have the ability to do what we would like them to be able to do to figure out how
to engineer human consciousness ideally to make in a pill form or in you know I mean in a shot or in some sort of genetic manipulation I think that is that possible and is that bad is that going to take away from being a human being if we're I think that would be a great tragedy why is that if it made it awesome in pill form life would be [ __ ] literally everything we've been searching for no struggle just we were just talking to that that's like everyone being born with a billion we just talking about no resistance we have that we know that to a large degree I think I think that we know that to a large degree with our current state of consciousness but what I'm saying is if we engineered it past this ape monkey Paradigm that we live in right now and boom with one shot they give you this Buddha thing yeah it's called the Buddha shop would you would you take it I don't I might probably you would I don't know if everybody else was taking it because you're you're a natural follower a follow absolutely I think I would uh I would consider it I would want to know what the would your kids to take it um I would want to know what the results were look if the entire world took it and then we would engineer Consciousness past this stage where we are now and completely restructured society that have no evil no problems we think that we have to have a Yang to have a yin and in our current state we do but is that the ultimate end all are we not continually evolving is this life that we live now not much easier and safer than it was living in the time of gasan well it certainly is well isn't it isn't it arguable that a thousand years from now would it would adapt and and become something different than it is now we have the technology it and none of your audience know $6 Million Man references do they I bet a few of them do few of them do right barely alive that's right gentlemen we can rebuild him we have the techn I met him recently very nice guy did you really wow I think I think he's a pretty fun guy but anyway it was pretty cool to meet him I imagine yeah like holy [ __ ] how was his handshake it's very firm he's a man I imagine it would be Steve Austin um yeah Lee major great guy I think MMA fan I think we do have that uh I I think we have that that
Tech okay so let let me ask you a question think we have it now the ability to engineer Consciousness yeah I mean neuroplasticity and and focusing on what I would argue is it's the old Aristotelian idea that we we look for something come udom Mania or or or Happiness and happiness is according to Aristotle happiness is the one thing we seek for its own sake right like we don't we get on a bus to go somewhere right we we we take a cab to get home and then once we're home we've arrived there and we don't stay on the bus or stay on the cab and most things we do in life are there to to pursue happiness right like I came here because it's sunny no I came here for you I came here for you and the Sun and the and you and the sun both together it makes it very easy I really enjoyed our last conversation and I think it was great to to get the messages out that I think are really important for people and so I came down here because I it will make me happy so far you and the coffee have made me very happy I'm not saying necessarily in that order but they're both in the mixx caveman coffee works it really is good stuff I tell you that um I knew that you were going to butter me up yeah that's how I do it I butter people up but literally and so yeah Aristotle said so how do you achieve happiness well happiness he said is the pursuit of Excellence particularly in virtue and now virtue for Aristotle was a little funky because he was pro slavery so you know it's it's but you know they didn't have Labor saving devices other than other human beings so so I think that we do have the capacity to be quite happy and and to to achieve a state of not contentment because I think contentment is for like cows and and uh stuff that they excrete but I think to to to achieve happen we pursue virtue which is you know we we act to do good we we fight the bad guys we try and reform the people on the fence we try and encourage those in pursuit of virtue and I mean let me ask you this question how is your conscience right you know this thing that you accumulate this sort of unconscious thing that accumulates the good and bad that you've done in your life my conscience is pretty easy I think I've done some things wrong I think I've done a lot of things right my conscience is pretty easy how is your
conscience do you think in the sort of the sum total you know that thing you go in front of St Peter at the end of your life and he tallies up you sort of the good and bad how's your conscience as far as that goes well fortunately I engage in not so frequent but quite strong psychedelic activities and in doing so like roller coasters with your eyes closed is that yeah okay got it got it well the the most common one for me is a sensory deprivation tank I do that all the time face yourself in that environment without distractions right yes you certainly do and that's one of the more challenging aspects of it one of the things that people are most afraid of because of that and um I certainly have done things wrong I certainly have made mistakes and I certainly think that those mistakes have given me more empathy more understanding more objectivity and the analysis of those mistakes have made me a better person and the subsequent reaction to my analysis of those mistakes have made me a better person change you evaluate you change and all that yeah so you know when you say your conscious is your conscience clean no no it's [ __ ] littered with bodies but the result of that that life has made me a far better person bodies not zombies right they're coming to get you who I am right now yes my conscience is clear the way I treat people now yeah 100% yeah I'm very I try to be very nice I try we talked about before I think you do a lot of good in the world you bring a lot of I think good thinkers to people's attention hopefully myself included I think that through your comedies we talked about before I think you give people a very empathetic relationship to their own physicality and and uh bring sort of some of the secret stuff in people's lives into the open and have them have good humor about it so well I think you do a lot of good and I think that's would you say that you're quite happy well yeah I'm very happy but I and I think that that good though is a a very reciprocal it's it's a very even relationship between audience and me I think I easily get as much out of this podcast as the people who who listen to it do and I think that's one of the reasons why it's so harmonious and one of the reasons why it's so easy to do and also one of the reasons why the
relationship that I have with the audience when I meet them is like I think they know that I'm as happy about all of this as they are and the people that it's benefited their lives and they've been exposed to all these different people like yourself and other interesting people that I've had on the show I have also been exposed to those people been exposed to you been exposed to whether it's Sam haris or uh air you know Amit go Swami the theoretical physicist or all these different Fascinating People that I've had on the podcast Graham Hancock ad nauseum Joey Diaz all these people have made my life a more fascinating life for sure so it's been a completely Mutual beneficial situation so when you say like you've done a lot of good well it's done a lot of good for me so I I really think it's a very even yeah it's a completely even exchange what I found is a path that I find to be uh both fascinating and enjoyable and I've gone down that path been very fortunate to find it and then pursue it and that's unusual you know for your profession right I mean not there a lot of comedians who do or public figures and so on who bring intellectuals to a mainstream audience I mean well that's because I've kind of resisted the idea of being pigeonholed into one sort of occupation I mean what what I do is just I'm a person and there's a bunch of things that I enjoy right you know one of the things that I enjoy is hunting this thing that I've really become fascinated with lately that's for a lot of people is repulsive I've had you know incredible they don't I mean where do they think they come from well not only that this the the the do no do the least harm principle it's really kind of [ __ ] but the reality of farming is that unless you're organically farming in your own garden you're actually killing more animals per pound of you know of of grain and per pound of rice than you do per pound of beef it's really kind of [ __ ] there's there's some study on it like how many animals get ground up in those machines that they use to churn up crops and right how much you displacement they do to the the natural habitat of certain animals when you plant crops and there's a you know there's it's very it's it's ideal if you can grow your own stuff if
you can grow your own stuff and you want to be like a vegan you want to have like the smallest footprint possible that's the way to do it grow your own stuff and you know and and make sure that you don't you know harm anything in the the cultivation of your fruits and vegetables but if you don't boy you're still participating with you believe it or not you're participating you're participating in Slaughter well yeah I mean I I have some sympathy and again you know if you can do less harm I think that's great you after high school I wanted some money for school I ended up going up to work uh in in Northern Ontario like past the tree line where you had to fly in to do claim staking and gold panning and all that kind of stuff and you know when you're really in mother nature and this was like you know minus 50 degree weather in a tent for months I mean when you're really in Mother Nature you realize she's she's kind of a [ __ ] she doesn't give a [ __ ] about you she'll let you freeze like she'll just you know [ __ ] tree will fall on your head and that's it for you I mean you know it's really uh you know one time we got snowed in like we couldn't get the plane in with supplies and you realize like you're looking at a box of food and you're like you know when we're out of this it's getting all kinds of like stuck on a mountain looking at people I actually was thinking you know you see those um these are Looney Tunes cartoons so again for your younger audience members please ask your parents you know like some guy's really hungry and he looks across at some other guy and he turns into like this steaming chicken wing or something like that today make that car no you couldn't but I was looking there was one guy who was kind of plump in the in the camp and you know he actually just thoughted to look well marbled to me like I didn't think him as fat anymore I thought of him as nutritious when things get ugly people do tend to start leaning towards survival yeah and a lot of times like we we like nature because we are a comfortable distance from it you know like we've got our air conditioning we got our antibiotics we've got you know the people in the Middle Ages you know they were really close to Nature and we died like flies mhm you know like child birth was fatal to like half the women
and the whole every [ __ ] story has a big bad wolf in it and the reason being is that wolves were [ __ ] killing people on a regular basis till people figured out Firearms wolves were killing people like crazy it was a really common thing for people to get killed by wolves you know one one stupid ass flea comes across uh in a rat from the Middle East and suddenly a third of Europe is dying from the Black Death I mean I I nature is great to visit but it's not a [ __ ] anel Adams poster I mean she is a sociopathic [ __ ] who will wipe you out as soon as look at you there's a story from 1450 that I've told on the podcast once before but for the the this in in this line of thinking there was a a series of murders in Paris in 1450 by Wolves where W guess not murders I guess it's just Predator they killed 40 people wolves killed 40 [ __ ] people in Paris in 1450 God and we are no different to them than a caribou or anything else that they can eat it's just when we have protected ourselves completely with cities and cars and guns and all these things then it doesn't become an issue and then we look at them and like oh beautiful nature but that beautiful nature gives zero [ __ ] about you and will absolutely eat your baby in front of you oh yeah they they have no problem with it whether it's a fox in London they actually have had issues recently where foxes have broken into children's bedrooms and attacked the children while they're sleeping or rats babies in Harlem I mean rats will just eat the baby's face off I mean they're just monstrous it's it's it's so heartless and the it's all about survival and we've eradicated that by I love it I love being at the top of the food chain I'm sorry that that we had to kill a whole bunch of stuff to get here but at the beginning it was us or them you know like I'm glad that some Comet came and took the heads off the dinosaurs because otherwise we'd just be little rodents that they're eating like I'm sorry that a whole bunch of we're on top of a big pile of bodies but I'd rather be on top than in them have no problem with killing dinosaurs I have no problem with the meteor that killed or the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs I'm happy that it happened it's like the big Maman a strike from outer space you know yeah let's make some room in the food chain
we got to grow people we got a podcast to do in four billion years I used to have this bit about these people that I talked to ones that were working to save the kodo dragon they were going to the Koto Islands they're doing all this work make sure the kodo dragon populations are good and healthy I'm like what why would you want those heartless [ __ ] monsters get a few of them stick them in the zoo shoot the rest of them in the head are you they're [ __ ] evil these are evil reptiles oh they're so evil tell me tell me why they're horrible monsters know the biggest lizards on the planet and they eat water buffalo people anything on that island they eat buffal oh [ __ ] yeah they do they eat them by biting them they're huge they're enormous you never seen a Koto Dragon J Pull up a photo of a kodo dragon's mouth they used to think that They Carried botulism in their saliva that used to be what they thought but now they realize that what happens is the environment that kodo dragons live in is so hot and tropical and that a lot of times they're biting into water buffalo and all these different things that are exposed to moisture and it's just the septic nature of their environment because water buffalo is piss and [ __ ] and the water that they live in and then when this kodo Dragon bites them he opens up their flesh and the blood gets exposed to all the toxins that sits in the teeth waiting for whatever the next bite so it's not they're not venomous they're just like disgusting look at look at that image the evil saliva one of them though uh bit Sharon Stone's husband on the foot this dumb [ __ ] he got into a cage with a kodo dragon and he had white socks on and the thing thought his foot was a rabbit so it clamped down on his foot and wouldn't let go and he almost lost his foot there it's really they're let's go back to that PO where he got into into a cage with a kodo dragon oh it's so cute I I would do it if I was in a tank I'll get in a cage with it and I had a samurai sword the [ __ ] out of here those things are horrifying but these people that I met were like really dedicating all of their time and effort and I'm like that is fascinating but those [ __ ] lizards don't give a [ __ ] about you buddy now I can understand it if there's some big ecosystem thing you know like where they got rid of the the
Predators uh in Australia I think it was and then the basically like like rabbits just ate the entire continent uh so I can like if there's some balance in nature thing you know I think that's fine but uh I am very very glad to uh to not be around wild animals you like when I was working up north we had to be armed because I mean there are bears who might not have had a meal in like a month yes and they don't care like they'll just they'll just come and and rip your face off and eat it h and that's you know wolves and all that we really had to be careful uh out there and this uh yeah so all the people who are like nature is basically cuddly it's like that's great that's because you go hiking in Yellowstone on on clearly marked pods when people have cleared all the Predators away and you know not even Yellowstone yos maybe cuz they have black bears but uh I I Alex hanold do you know who he is he's the uh climber uh he's one of the the world's best was on he was on 60 Minutes or something right yeah yeah I saw that one yeah and he was on the podcast I got Yellowstone confused with yosity and we were talking about Bear death I'm like man Bears have [ __ ] died in in yosee right and he was like no no bears have died and I was I got I didn't know that there's two different I I in my head Yellowstone and yosan became the same thing because two people over the last couple years were killed in Yellowstone by Grizzlies and just [ __ ] hikers just people wandering around and you run into a bear and the wrong situation and that is a giant 18800 lb monster or 1200 lb or 800 lb whatever the [ __ ] it is they're Bears they're enormous it's a think of a giant dog an 800lb dog that wants to eat you like it's going to eat you you're [ __ ] and you can't get away push the trees they can climb up you cannot get away from those guys and I remember they run up trees they run straight up a tree black bears especially can run up a tree like a like a cat yeah yeah oh and and I remember being in a in a tent again in the middle of nowhere um I was with uh this tiny Japanese woman who was like incredibly strong she was literally like made of muscle it was astounding anyway but and we were in this tent and I heard this you know snuffling around and you know we did all we hung the the the food and the trees and all that you don't
never want any food around obviously when you're sleeping and this kind of stuff and I mean you literally think this is like this is my last 20 seconds in this planet you know this this is it you know this thing cuz you know even if you're armed uh there's only so much you can do well you have to get off a shot very quickly and you have to hope that it scares the bear away because if you just shoot them unless you have a really high powerered rifle like a pistol 38 a shotgun is not good enough it's not going to kill them well but what it will do is it will annoy him to the point where he'll kill you quicker so there won't be a lot of suffering so you know you won't you know it'll rip your own head off and you won't get to see your own better off putting the gun your mouth probably yeah that might be the mve but the problem is then you know they can't identify you with dental records cuz your you know your teeth are sprayed out all over the forest but so stuff like that gives you a pretty healthy appreciation for the Bears killed dogs near the camp and stuff like I mean it's it's seriously dangerous stuff out there and I'm very happy to to live in a civilized area where I can go visit nature and nature is absolutely beautiful when it is not trying to kill you uh it's like the you know the ocean is beautiful I love scuba diving and snorkling that's flying over the coral with the as long as nothing's taking your leg off it's a beautiful beautiful experience but that taking the leg off thing is a pretty important part of the equation and people forget it who spent a lot of time in cities yeah people do forget it that taking your leg off is a real thing that's something you have to think about when you go swimming anywhere in the world where there's sharks you know you might think that it's not going to happen to you because it hasn't happened to that guy or that guy or this person on the surfboard over there look this person's snorkeling I'm fine no you're not you're rolling the dice you're getting it's like if you go into the woods the idea of like that that somehow or another these millions of sharks are going to avoid you like likely yes because there's so much real estate but it's like if we if we knew that werewolves were real but there was only
one of them and it was out in the woods how often would you go in the woods when it was a full moon you would never [ __ ] go in the woods cuz You' go [ __ ] what if I picked the wrong Knight in the wrong place and I get out there and the Wolf Man is right there and he eats me well well the [ __ ] sharks are sharks all day 24 hours a day 7 days a week 365 days a year The Wolf Man Is Only The Wolf Man once a month and you know but we you know that we're not that terrified of nature because all the kids toys are like cute Predators you know like you know that old song if you go down to the woods tonight you're in for a big surprise you know cuz the teddy bears are having a picnic but the real end of that story is I know isn't it funny that teddy bear is like a that's that that is so common it's a completely common toy but it's only common now I don't think they had bear toys when bears could kill you you know like we don't now that there's no bears around they can be cute and cuddly and you can have the Lion King and all of that because nobody's around Lions but you know in Africa people still get regularly eaten by lions I bet you there are not a lot of lion toys lying around that are cute and cuddly I bet you're right and if you think about some of the animals that we have uh what's the the term uh anthropomorphism at it when you take a person Pro human characteristics onto a nonh think about like like Tony the Tiger they're great like Tony talking about your children he's a [ __ ] [ __ ] they great to eat you know why you making him cute they're Tigers because because we don't have any Tigers around they're in zoos and you take pictures it's a fun fact about India there's a place called The Sunder bands where tigers have killed 300,000 people over the last 200 years 300,000 people have been killed by tigers in the Sunder bands it's it's so incredible I had a bit about it on one of my uh past comedy specials because it was just it's such a ridiculous statistic one tiger killed three men in a boat of five swam out to the boat killed a man dragged him back to the water to the beach jumped back in the water killed another guy H and did it three times before either got bored or they got away from Full yeah I mean they they swim incredibly fast and they're really aggressive they've got
these teeth that can tell where your jugular is yes they're sensitive yeah they feel the beat stuff yeah they adjust well that's where their Des for you know I mean they are literally designed to clean up anything that's slow they're there as population control that's what they're there for they're there and also making sure the herd stays strong you know get rid of the slowest and the sickest and the oldest and keep the herd strong we don't like to think of it that way but again this is the yin and the Yang if you gave the Tigers a pill and made everything groovy and there's no more need to hunt what would we have we have nature but you but the real question is if if we are going to engineer that but what are what are we going to do what are we going to do with the the Bears and the Tigers and the crocodiles well I mean of course the natural human Predators yeah you know there's this weird idea and I think it comes out of religion that I mean there's a couple of things that are problematic which come out of religion and some of them are obviously kind of obvious but some of them I think are more subtle like the issue of the soul to me is always really interesting like this this in the religious idea and not all religions but a lot of religions you know you have this eternal part if you call the soul which is uncorruptible uh which can and so you know when they say you know that he's a bad guy but if you really conect if you reach through if you connect with him there's you know there's good in in him somewhere and all that kind of stuff I think that's a really dangerous idea and it scientifically seems to be entirely false you know like people who are sociopaths don't get better they don't reform they they will become cunning and they but they've tried everything they've tried injecting sociopaths with LSD and sub them well bullets are the Cure and they're not they're pretty common like one in 25 people uh it's yeah I've certainly come across them too and these are the human predators and I mean it's fairly easy to create them if you really traumatize a whole lot of kids then you can like they a lot of them came out of chuchu's um Romania because he banned abortion and a lot of women who would otherwise have had
abortions put these kids into these orphanages where they were fed and taken care of but nobody ever touched them and then I think it was in France there was when this came out a whole bunch of French families adopted these uh Romanian orphanage as kids and they were strangling their C and they were throwing their other kids out of Windows and stuff and they would just and they were unfixable completely unfixable from the jump I mean like how old were they when they adopted them um usually it's within if you do this uh if it's after two or three years it's usually irreversible because you know the brain development the development of oh my God empathy two to three years in their psychopath empathy is 10 to 12 different brain centers all have to fire in Harmony and you also have to develop these things called mirror neurons which are I think completely fascinating that biological basis of empathy I completely geeky fascinating to me but since empathy I think is the most important resource in the world if you have that all other resources will be taken care of but mirror neurons are if you see someone take a nutsh shot you go oh you know like you kind of get it in your body uh those are mirror neurons and you can you can make them or deny them in monkeys very easily right I mean if you just give them all the food and drink that they need uh but you just give them like a a simulated mom like that doesn't actually interact with them and you isolate them and you don't even have to traumatize them you don't have to hit them you don't have to scare them if you do that they get even worse but then they grow up with with no particular empathy because they don't get that sort of back and forth I mean babies are born with it one freaky thing that babies can do is right out of the womb like right when they're born if you stick your tongue out at a baby it will stick its tongue out back at you which is a completely freaky thing to do when you think about it they've never seen a tongue they don't know that you have the same but they so if you develop mirror neurons then you won't get sociopathy because you'll have empathy right and people who spank fundamentally are are acting against empathy and they're teaching their children to act against
empathy because you're doing exactly what your child desperately does not want you to do and so you're really screwing with with empathy and so on and um so the development of the non-development of mirror neurons appears to be something that cannot be corrected later in life it's just this it's like if you don't get exposed to language between like two and five you just never really learn it wow there this so crazy and this is why when I talk about fixing the world or having a paradise on Earth which relative to what we have now I think we can have it's a multigenerational process because if the kids are screwed up uh that early it appears to be irreversible and all you can do is manage the symptoms you know through prison or whatever it is but these human Predators um it's not in the religious mindset where there's a soul that there's someone good you can get into that that you can connect with is biologically completely it seems to be again I'm no expert it seems to be completely incorrect it's like saying if you've got lung cancer throughout your lungs that there's a healthy ghost lung that you just have to connect with to breathe well no your lungs are corrupted they're screwed up they're they're they're not there's no healthy backup lungs that there's no healthy backup personality or brain called the soul but this idea that you can reach through to the most corrupted and destroyed people and somehow reawaken their Humanity which is necessary for religion you have to have a soul I think is really a dangerous thing because it it lets us if you have compassion for sociopaths they use it to manipulate and control you and so it's almost like if you're a sociopath you'd love to invent the idea of a soul so that people will try and and help you and then you can manipulate and control them whereas you recognize that they're Predators then you just steer clear of them they lose a lot of their power so well it's sometimes it's very difficult to find them it's very difficult to identify them that's one of the problem they camouflage right yeah and there's there's one of the ways that you can is by when people behave around you that seems like really fake and weird it's like they have like a fake weird friendship with you or fake weird interaction with you one of the reasons
why they have this fake weird thing is because they don't understand regular friendships loves and relationships so it all comes off as odd to them because they're doing makeb beleve all the time they're they're imitating what they've seen around them they know what's important to other people but they don't feel it is important to themselves it's the best way to describe it right there right like I mean like a torturer knows what hurts you MH and likes it you know and they've done actually a bunch of studies where they show people and this this I find it's so incomprehensible I try sort of get it CU having empathy for non-empathetic people is is a tough thing I think it's a necessary process to go through for self- protection and I think for the betterment of the world so do these studies where they they sort of H hook up these these electrodes to people's brains they can measure what's going on in their brains and they show intentional cruelty films like they show like no cruelty and then accidental cruelty like guy steps on a rake or whatever right and then they show intentional cruelty like guy pretending like stapling another guy's hand or something like that and when people see some people see the intentional cruelty the same happy Cent related to orgasm related to just feelings of intense Bliss show up because this is sadism taking pleasure in in the suffering of others I mean that is that's anti- empathy that's like well I you know I know that you're attached to your children so I'm going to use your attachment to your children to control and bully you or whatever it is you know like you kidnap some guy's kids or whatever and this this aspect of of human predation is really important we are not a species we are a whole ecosystem of predator and prey and our lack of ability to differentiate between predator and prey in the human species I think is one of the major roots of hierarchical brutalities and and wars and all of this kind of stuff and I think we really need to throw away the idea of the the Eternal good within us and recognize that the most dangerous species to human beings are other human beings by far I mean just governments alone in the 20th century murdered not even including War governments murdered
250 plus million people they can't even get it down to within 10 million people it's a quarter of a billion people murdered just by one Human Institution populated by sociopaths these are incredibly dangerous people we're talking about bears and stuff and that's very important but the most important and most dangerous predators are human beings and we don't really have a good way of identifying them other than they're on the ballot oh sorry little Anarchist propaganda there but could you imagine if you had like a bunch of bears that were like really cool and You' love to be around them and they're like really fun they do things for you and they help you and they help you move and they provide you with joy and then there's other bears that will just [ __ ] eat you if they find you or it's like that Battle Star Galactica thing like the silons they look like people but they're aliens and this is something that is we we really got to as a species up our like radar for this kind of stuff cuz imagine if we could see these guys like if they had some tur pops up on their psycho and then it'd be like okay well here's someone I'm not going to lend money to or be friends with or have kids with or you know we could this gene or whatever even if it's genetic we could we could eliminate that within a generation or two but as long as and of course if they're physically attractive or wealthy or powerful as well I mean they're just it's like Ambrosia for a lot of people right it's uh anyway so this is sort of a pet thing of mine is just really help people to understand that there's some really bad people out there and even if we say they don't have free will so what you know Bears we don't say that bears are morally responsible for eating people but we don't hang out with them right so well I don't buy that the Free Will thing of course you have free will it's just like how much free will do you have how much decision making does your Consciousness have if if you believe you don't have free will guess what but then there's a bunch of people well there's factors go that go into every decision that you make and those factors are genetic and environmental and this and that and that and if you factor it all together it's not about free will it's not about your
free decision Mak that maybe or maybe not I mean it's it's a very it's a very slippery argument in both ways on both sides actually yeah I I mean for me because people always say Well define Free Will and I I've given some thought to it and I got a series on YouTube about this uh freedomain it's youtube.com/ freedomainradio if people want to check it out but to Me free Will is our capacity to compare something proposed with an ideal standard that to me is is is really the essence of Free Will so so composed to an ideal standard meaning that's what you gauge your reactions and actions on yeah gaug them so science a proposition about the physical Universe We compare it to an ideal standard called scientific verification or something like that or we compare a proposed action to a moral standard or a moral ideal or something that's the one thing we can do that nothing else in the universe that we know of seems to be able to do to compare a a a proposed action like I mean dogs propose an action they all get together and they you know they all birds all fly in One Direction or another they but they don't compare it to an ideal and this this comparing things to an ideal I think is the fundamental aspect of of free will that we have and we can either just go through our life and never compare anything that we do to some ideal standard or we can say about the important things not you know do I have another sip of coffee but the important stuff will we compare that to some ideal standard now people do this all the time right I mean is this moral is this right is this God's will is this with the law is it against the law We compare proposed actions to Ideal standards and even in school do you get a 100 on the test that's the ideal standard you get a 50 that's right not good so we're constantly comparing things to an ideal standard and I think that is really the essence of choice that we have and even if it's not an ideal standard we're we're being inspired by what we deem to be successful Behavior whether it's emotionally successful socially successful whatever career Athletics whatever it is we we gain some sort of inspiration from that that also enhances our ability to perform the same actions yeah and is that free will pH um is it
something else is it a combination of all those things I think more likely that the argument that there is no free will I think is a little silly because there is but it's not the only thing I think that's what it is I think there's a lot going on when it becomes when when when you try to figure out what it is that makes a person act the way they act we could put you in a situation and something could occur with your daughter for say and you would be like well let me explain to you what happened and let me explain to you how I've made these same mistakes myself and this is what I learn from it or you could put a different person in front of a similar four-year-old kid and that person's going what did I tell you get your [ __ ] hands off of that come here sit down if I've told you once I've told you a thousand times turn around smack you know what is it that causes one to be you and one to be another person in the same scenario with a completely different result well it's no it's comparing to Ideal standards right so in the story in the story we talked about earlier where I was saying my daughter said you know Daddy I cont you know should we have a standard which is if someone's saying something to you you should really pay attention to them that's the standard right and I've I've told her about that you know like she's playing on the iPad and we're trying to have a conversation I say can you turn that off while we chat cuz you know I don't want you to be distracted she can make so there's a standard that we have and then when we deviate from that standard we try to realign with that standard and I think those are the basically the fundamental choices uh that we have what are your standards so some guys like some guys with parenting genuinely believe like every time I put out the facts about spanking I just interviewed Dr Elizabeth gersoff a spanking expert who's given all the facts people always they say well you know but kids these days are Bank L and they're running wild and they're having lipstick parties and they you know hooking up and they have no so they genuinely believe well if I don't hit my kids it's going to be really bad and I think that our futures are fundamentally written by our deepest values by by that which we consider the good uh what your
values or your virtues are will be your future like a train track now we can't change the effects of our ethics but we can decide which are valid or invalid ethics so I make the case that you know don't hit your kids non-aggression principle reasoning better parenting better Child Development all the signs behind it your kid's IQ will be better their behavior will be better their social skills will be better they'll be more peaceful and blah blah blah blah blah I make that case I change people's minds about that like tens of thousands of of parents probably hundreds of thousands by now have stopped spanking as a result of the work that I do and there's tons of people out there doing the same work we give people better ideals then it's like the the wind changes with a boat it just they'll they'll turn that way the the capacity to evaluate new information have it change our ideals I think is the fundamental essence of that of free will when we can either choose to ignore that information in which case we're just going to keep doing the same thing as history like a hamster wheel a revolving door of history or we can evaluate new information and change our Behavior According to some new ideal that I think is the only choice we have the people who argue against free will only ever argue with people which is really interesting when you think about it because they say people are fundamentally indistinguishable from other complex systems like the weather but you never see somebody arguing with the weather you only ever see people debating or arguing with people I got a guy call in my Show recently who was telling me that he said Steph you're just like a computer and I said okay well why don't you here here's my computer you can continue the debate with the computer and he didn't understand what I was talking about he said I'm not going to talk to your computer I said so you only want to talk to me not the computer and he said well the computer doesn't understand I got voice recognition I'll turn it on go ahead right and I said so you don't want to debate with the computer only with me so you're saying there's something different about me versus the computer and have you ever yelled at the rain to stop raining or to change the wind's
direction if it's wind if blowing the wrong way he said no of course not and I said so you cannot say that people are just like everything else in the universe if you will only ever debate people you have to accept that there's something fundamentally different with people if you will never debate anything else that you compare people to and that's the challenge of the deterministic argument we are just physics everything has an antecedent cause but you only ever debate with human beings that's a strange argument I I don't understand where you're going with that of course because that human beings the only ones that debate back the whole idea of a debate is you talk and they talk and you differ on opinions but they say that that you you debate back like two television sets pointed at each other it's all prescripted there's nothing that new that can come in everything has a prior course based on physics that's what people who believe that there is no free will say that's what you're saying yeah um but I don't debate with the TV I know that the TV is going to you know I mean there are idiots who yell at Movies you know but they don't whole debate in and of itself isn't that that whole debate just an exchange of information and exchange in in a controlled system the system the human race but you you debate with someone to change their mind right well I think ultimately all human beings are trying to accelerate growth uh whether it's Financial growth intellectual growth technological innovation I think we're constantly trying to grow and expand things we also fundamentally know that we are imperfect so we will either argue our position or try to learn uh one of those two things either try to reinforce ourselves on our own decisions as opposed to your decisions Jesus is the Lord and you are incorrect Sir with your Satan Satan Satan song that you teach to your daughter you know what is that about well that is about two two organisms inside of a system uh that agree upon a a dictionary and a vocabulary and and definitions for things and they're arguing about whose path is a better path But ultimately all of them are trying to be better better all of them are trying to improve and there's no real set guidelines for how to live correctly there's no no one can
really prove to you that it's better to be an atheist than it is to be a Christian or it's better to be a person who likes to exercise than it is to be a guy who sits on the couch you sort of have to figure it all out from for yourself and along the way you want to justify your own actions and your own decisions by arguing and by by trying to debate so in a sense like saying that humans only argue with humans that doesn't really negate the idea that there is no free will in fact it might actually support it by showing the whole thing is just a system and it is just a mathematical algorithm and inside that algorithm is a thing called ego and ego is the thing that wants you to be correct and wants you to learn and wants you to improve and wants you also to assert dominance and perhaps sexual preference over those around you by showing how clever you can turn a phrase and how easily you can diffuse someone and make them look foolish in front of the rest of the group you know the all these things are perhaps just more evidence that there is no free will I mean I'm I'm obviously Playing devil's advocate a bit here but I I think inside that controlled system I think it is possible that that could be that could be an argument let's go because you you said something that is really really important that that I would like to challenge okay maybe it's successful or not but you said nobody can say whether it's better to believe in a deity or not believe in a deity and so on right what I mean by that is that you can't tell someone who's happy being a Christian that it's better to be an atheist they're not going to I look I certainly can't say that you'll be happier being an atheist right because let's say that they go into atheism it's going to cause problems in in their family relationships it's going to cause problems in their Community it's going to cause problems in their church and then they get hit by a bus they die unhappy I have friends alone that were Mormons sorry to interrupt you but I I have friends who are Mormons for the longest time and then in their 40s they abandon it that's rough they are they are pette writes about that actually uh in in his most recent book about meeting
up with a bunch of Mormons and and how they become atheists and just a lot of it from his work yeah a lot of it from his he's a great guy who's very logical and very smart and a lot of his questions and his his discussions on these things have caused introspective thought and people that perhaps would have just gone along with the program if it wasn't for a guy like Penn yeah I think it's very interesting but I I would make the case so uh n the 19th century sure sort of philosopher sort of guy who wrote great aphorisms but he said that that Socrates basic argument was reason equals virtue equals happiness right so if you want to be happy you have to be virtuous how do you how are you virtuous you have to have cons consistent principles consistent principles and there's some support in Psychology for this in that if you have opposing ideas within your own mind or if you have feelings that say one thing but your intellect says another um then you are going to be unhappy or another way of of putting it is to say that all psychological dysfunction results from uh unacknowledged suffering um and so for instance like so some people you know they they're beaten up by their parents but they're told by their Church honor thy mother and thy father so they've got this idea this ideal honor thy mother and thy father but they have an emotional response of outrage at having being abused or neglected or or whatever these are contradictions you've got an ideal that tells you one thing and your heart and your your monkey spleen telling you something else that if you aggress against an animal it's going to react in a a negative or hostile way and so when you have contradictions in your mind uh that is going to produce dysfunction in your life unhappiness in your life and so one of the purposes of philosophy is to say okay we've got some basic principles let's keep rolling them forward and try and live as consistently as possible like if we used opposite words for things half the time it would be impossible to communicate we have to have consistency in our language to a large degree not perfectly of course we have to have consistency in our language to be good at communicating to have any possibility of communicating
effectively and the degree to which we can have consistency in our thinking in other words we don't have contradictions we don't have a value here like don't hit your wife and then a value here which says hit your children that that's going to produce contradictions and suffering and problems and so the more consistent your thinking is the greater chance you have to be happy uh and in the same way like if you have a consistent methodology for examining the universe like science you're going to get a lot further than reading chicken entrails or praying to some non-existent data you're actually going to have a way of organizing your knowledge about the world to create computers and rocket ships and cars and all that kind of stuff and so the idea is that the more consistent you're thinking the greater chance you have for happiness now that doesn't always mean that you achieve it because if it's great statement though the way you're saying it the greater chance you'll have for happiness yeah I can nobody nobody can guarantee anyone happiness right and in fact if you've grown up in an irrational culture and culture sort of by definition is irrational because if it's not culture it's science or or math or logic or something like that then when you achieve the goal of reason and you start working out your beliefs from first principles and being good at philosophy puts you in a lot of conflict with with people around you and of course a lot of power structures fundamentally I think live or feed off un unacknowledged contradictions right so for me to to use Force to take someone else's property is theft uh for the government to do what is called Taxation and considered a virtue so there's all these contradictions and definitions that we have uh we hit wives it's called abuse we hit children it's called discipline we just redefine things all the time based upon emotional preferences and prior trauma and the what philosophy does is it says well we got to resolve this we can't just have these little beliefs floating around unattached to each other we need a consistent way of organizing our minds and our values and our decisions and all of that stuff and we can't just make up different values based on the circumstances with the idea being that the more consistent you are
the happier you'll be I definitely think that the less contradiction you have in your mind the the happier you'll be and it's really hard for a lot of people to eliminate contradiction because they've made so many rationalizations about their actions they've made so many rationalizations at the past in order to Shield themselves from The Sting of the the that corrective the need to correct Behavior need to correct some of the things that you've done that sting is very difficult for a lot of people to deal with so they they justify or they'll argue louder you know to try to that's you know I've got a whole series on YouTube called the bomb in the brain uh which is um I don't mean to it's FDR url.com there's huge amount of science that that really establish how people argue how people argue is you get an emotional trigger like right deep down in your the base of your brain right like where we don't know anything about civilization like right down in the base of our brain you get a fight ORF flight response and what happens then is you come up with a justification for it afterwards it's called exp postao justification right after the fact you have an emotional response and then people come up with some frankly [ __ ] some polyic [ __ ] to justify their emotional reaction and they've actually done studies amazing stuff where they they give people a moral position and they say Do you believe in this and then people say yes and they will give you great arguments as to why and then they say close the book I want to ask you something else and then the book has some special glue thing and and when they open it up it's the opposite moral position and they ask people to reread that statement and defend it wow right so it says I oppose a and people say well here's all the reasons I oppose abortion they CL the book they talk to them about something else for 50 minutes they say oh we didn't get the recording right can you open it and then it says now I oppose abortion and the majority of people like two-thirds of people will give you great Arguments for both and not notice the contradiction so that seems to be the key to experiencing this fight or flight feeling in the middle of an argument is being completely attached or having your ego attached to ideas or
a position if you are not and you treat it as an intellectual puzzle that you can both solve together then that stuff doesn't exist I've had some really fascinating disagreements with very close friends where we've managed to keep it completely civil but yet explored some really interesting topics but then I've also been involved in conversations with people where they get really insulting like almost immediately if they disagree with you yeah like I had an argument with a dude about recent findings in in uh about the yeti you know they they've uh found that there is uh this thing that they thought was a Yeti uh may very well an ancient bear or at least the DNA from an ancient bear we have a theme you know that right it's like the Bear show the Bear show like Bears you know we're g to walk out of this room and just be mauled I did some some freak escape from the zoo thing and this is going to be hugely ironic podcast what was fascinating to me in the middle of this heated argument um was not that this guy disagreed with my my thoughts that uh this whole thing was probably a big misunderstanding and this probably some strange looking bear looks like but it was how aggressive like someone would get about a [ __ ] Yeti like you're raising your your voice and you're getting shitty and real snipy and like this is not the way you should get ever with your friends and you're getting this over a [ __ ] Yeti yeah if it's over the ethics of violence or something that's at least an important topic but whether there's Bigfoot or not well not only that it was over it was over [ __ ] DNA evidence I like this is all pretty straightforward stuff like you know they' found that there's some some they thought was extinct polar bear some hybrid type of polar bear this they thought it was extinct for 40,000 plus years and they've got DNA that came from something that was killed a long time ago probably I think it was in the 1900s or something and they say oh well this this thing matches up with this this DNA what we might be dealing with when these people are seeing yetis is actually just polar bears right you know it's really simple right it's just an idea and it's just I don't I didn't do the [ __ ] research he didn't do the [ __ ] research so like getting upset about it so weird but but that's what it is it's
it triggers that fight ORF flight thing and then once they realize they're in some sort of a debate and perhaps they don't engage in enough competition perhaps they don't engage in enough athletic endeavors where they strain their body and get rid of some of that [ __ ] monkey juice and get used to failure and get used to losing that's another thing that's it's some people do not like to lose at anything like they won't even they won't Bowl cuz if they lose they get sick you know they they won't play checker they won't do anything but that's I mean isn't isn't that always just childhood stuff Joe I mean isn't that just people you know they don't like to admit that they're wrong because whenever they would admit that they're wrong they would be mocked or humiliated that happens in school all the time like I had a guy a friend of mine uh in in junior high school we were in science class and he used the word orgasm instead of organism I don't even remember the sentence which is a shame cuz I bet you it was a really great sentence because anytime you put the word orgasm into a sentence inadvertently it's funny yeah I think it's premature elaboration is is the phrase but anytime you do that it's funny but literally for the whole year he was the [ __ ] guy like he was he was the orgasm guy and it's like how comfortable do you feel making stupid mistakes like that if that is the environment that you're in then you're just not going to like families will so often stereotype people like you drop three plates and then for the next 50 years you're the clumsy one you know and then you become paranoid about all this kind of stuff yes and it becomes something that's in the Forefront of your mind don't drop the plates don't drop drop you know and then it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy because then people don't remember the million times you carried a PL successfully but 20 years later you drop a plate it's like oh well he's a clumsy one and people hate being I hate being stereotyped like that and if you carry that idea in your head it does create weight and it gets momentum behind it's with everything like if you're playing basketball don't miss a shot don't miss his shot what are you thinking about you thinking about
missing the shot you don't even think about making it you're thinking about missing it more than you're thinking about making it you're feeling the failure already before You' even it because it's a predominant PN in your way of thinking yeah yeah and um wouldn't I mean I'd love to know you know like the twins experiments and so on I would love to know which parts of me are me and which part of me of an environment or which part of me of genetics like put me somewhere else distinguishable I know I mean but wouldn't that be fascinating because would be but it's not I mean you are a series of events that have taken place over 46 years of life and 24 hours in a day and 360 5 days in a year and just so much there's so many calculations and here's a interesting question to you because you predominantly uh apply your trade on the internet how much of an impact has the internet had on who you are as a person just the the free flowing of information over the last 20 years since we're the same age thinking of 94 is where where it really popped out how much of an impact has it had on you oh it's it's big no it is it is if I were to look at I mean other than learning how to read it's it's the biggest influence and impact I mean I'm only able to do what I do because of the internet right because The Gatekeepers are gone like we can talk to people without Gatekeepers that is like the last time this happened in in such a fundamental way was like in the 16th century when Martin Luther translated the Bible from Latin to the vernacular and then people got to get their hands on the Bible whereas before it was all done in in Latin and nobody knew what the hell was going on other than what the priests told them they got a hold of the Bible and and basically the text could speak directly to the people and didn't have to go through Gatekeepers anymore the unfortunate result of that was a couple hundred years of religious Warfare which then again culminated in the separation of church and state because they just were killing each other and luism yeah and Lutheranism and sanism and Calvinism and anabaptism and all that kind of stuff anabaptism where you have to have an adult baptism do you know how they did dealt with this in Germany oh you're an
anabaptist we'll drown you because you just to adult baptism I mean it was just brutal one of the reasons that the Nazis had such power was that Germany missed the whole Enlightenment because they were just so embroiled in religious Warfare I mean there's Travelers who went through Germany in the 17th and 18th century and said you could barely see a tree without the fruit of a hanging person on it I mean it was that insanely violent a society based upon religious dogma and so they they they naism is like this weird medievalism that made it through the Renaissance and the enlightenment in Germany uh and and then had the power of the 20 20th century technology with all the brutality of uh medieval parenting and and brutalities so anyway that's where a lot of the strict discipline as well for the the military discipline the goose stepping all that came from oh and hit the screaming yeah and Alice Miller's written great stuff about this like um Hitler was was beaten so badly he actually went into a coma once he was beaten so badly was I mean he was just so in and and the kids they would hang their babies on hooks in in SED in bandages that often would have lice in them then the lice would crawl all over the baby's skin and the eggs and so when he referred to the Jews as lice it it connected with something so Primal in the German psyche and I tell you this though the Germans learned an incredible lesson from that my mom is German and when I grew up my cousins would come to visit from Germany and of course we were idiot warmonger British boys because you know we won the war right which meant we lost to socialism but we we won the war and so were all playing War Games my and my German friends cousins would come over and they'd say well we we're not allowed to play with guns we're not allowed to do any of that stuff because they did finally get you know I I hope we get this before some other stupid cataclysm on the planet they finally got that they needed to change their parenting if they didn't want this crazy stuff to continue there's a book I'm reading is an audio book by Lloyd deas called the origins of war in child abuse it's actually available for free uh at freedomainradio.com where he says basically if you want to know where walk comes from uh you have to focus on child
abuse that is where all of this stuff gets laid in uh and this is you can they've done a huge number of studies Robin Grill's written a book called parenting for a peaceful world where he traces you know you can tell how quickly uh democracy comes to a country by how prevalence banking is I mean there's incredible things like all all politics to me is an effect of of early family experiences of Early Childhood experiences and to try and understand how hierarchies can exist without looking at early childhood experiences is impossible it's like trying to to run the Solar System model without putting the sun in the middle it just gets ridiculously complicated and and and so on so um yeah so I I think that's one of the reasons why I continue to focus on this you started with the question about the internet and it it's being able to talk directly to people without Gatekeepers is an incredible experience uh and and and is the greatest Leap Forward I think in in human communication and and the possibility of of virtue I think is is unbelievably enhanced by this I agree with you and uh I also agree with you that I I am unrecognizable to myself of the past because of the internet and I think my my my understand tell me I mean you've got one of the biggest shows around I mean that would that have happened without no U no I mean no it's impossible it would have never happened I would never been able to do this I would have been fired a long time ago there's no way I would have been able to do any of the things that I've done online with with some sort of a company backing it and saying this is a good idea no one would have said it's a good idea no no no publicist would have said it's a good idea to say the things I've said no no agent would have advised me to move in that direction wouldn't have happened it happened naturally it happened on its own but I think that the biggest impact for me is not that I've been able to express myself but that other people have been able to send me information Express themselves to me yeah the the impact of being able to share information online even wrong things like there's a meme that there's a video that went around that has gotten massive traction the past few days it was a man who was uh on the news and
didn't know the camera was on didn't know that his microphone was on he was talking about a missing girl and he was saying you know that uh hey if he finds her I I would [ __ ] her I'd [ __ ] her right in her [ __ ] hole like but it was fake and then you see the newscaster go we're sorry for that unfortunate thing but that newscaster was from a previous thing where a woman didn't know that her microphone was on and dropped an F-bomb just said [ __ ] oh [ __ ] and so I'm sorry ladies and gentlemen we're having some editorial we were very sorry that you know we had editing issues very sorry you had to hear that well this video has gone you know viral and it's millions and millions of hit and I don't can't tell you how many people sent it to me on Twitter but within a couple days it resolves itself and people realize oh it's just [ __ ] okay here we go so wait how is it fake was it fake it's just an actor some guy pretended it and spliced it in he put his footage of him saying this horrible thing but it wasn't really a missing was all fake and there's you know a fake Fox broadcast label and all that ja but it gets exposed it does get exposed and that's what that's what's unique about the times and it's also that something can just spread it just has to be impactful and interesting whe good or bad I mean that's this incredible thing which is happening in America as well where you can actually see bodies of imperialism right like you you can go online and you can see the the bodies of the Iraqis or the bodies of the afghanis or whatever that's unprecedented I mean You' never get that through the media I mean well not only that was made illegal through the Bush Administration in the United States show coffins couldn't show the coffins let alone the victims of the imperialism and the media I mean there's no law that says you you can't show Iraqi victims of the war of which there are over a million but nonetheless you will not get this through the mainstream media you'll see the pictures of the guys who died which is also a great tragedy the American soldiers who've died but you can't see this and you you can't find out the basic fact that there has been so much radiation damage done to the Iraqis particularly in fua that up to a third of children are being born
with birth defects that people who've gone to study Iraqi cities where these depleted uranium shells have been used say that they've never seen a more genetically compromised genetically ruined population the whole world over and the fact that this information is available at the click of a button to me means that people no longer have the excuse of having been propagandized you know some poor bastard who who was in uh stalinist Russia you know in the 1950s you know okay be a communist or go to the gulag you know that that's your choice so he's a communist but you don't say you're a communist by choice then it's just like the way you it's like you're in the Hitler Youth you're a Nazi but you're not a bad kid because you're a Nazi that's just what you have to do uh to survive in the culture but now that information is so available nobody can claim anymore at least in the west that they didn't know uh because it's so immediately available to everyone at all times that if you don't know now it is an act of choice it is not the result of propaganda I have a lot more sympathy like a woman called in my show the other day and she said you know my dad beat me and my mom didn't do anything about it and her mom grew up under China under Mao in the cultural revolution where people were dropping like flies every time they batted their eyelids wrong there's a great story in Su the gulak apago where some minor party functionary has given a spe and everyone gets up and is applauding and they're all so terrified of being the first person to stop applauding that they just keep applauding and keep applauding until their hands look like hamburgers and they can't even like it's so incredible but nobody wants to stop because the first person who stops is ah comrade you seem to be less enthus and they're just terrified this is the world that some people live in we don't have that world here in the west and we have access to every kind of information opposing viewpoints you can go on to Al jazer you can find out what American imperialism or British imperialism looks like or even Canadian imperialism in Afghanistan looks like from the other side so there's a great ripping away of the excuse of propaganda and ignorance and a great settling of moral responsibility
on people yeah it's it's a very unique time as far as exposing evil and distributing information a very very unique time I don't think there's ever been anything like it and I think uh you and I are both two perfect examples and also that we can find each other and be able to do this I mean this is what what how would have this happened how would have our friendship happened how would we have had these three-hour conversations even if we if we didn't have podcast and we got to meet each other we'd have to agree to sit down and talk for three hours and then it's like who would benefit from that you and I would certainly benefit from it we would enjoy it but no one else would get it it's not it's not like something that would just get out to millions and millions of people like almost instantaneously forever and grow constantly what our last show went to number one on iTunes like I expecting that to happen cuz my rap sucks so it's really great that we're doing this cuz my music career remains stalled in the doldrums yeah but I think that is is is an incredible opportunity it's like you know we got this this I do a lot of talk about Bitcoin and stuff like that where we have the opportunity to have a currency system not controlled by governments you know where there's ways of I mean these things are just unbelievable opportunities for for human communication that doesn't have to go through the prescribed channels and the prescribed Gatekeepers and and ways of exchanging value I mean you can have a an IPO I don't want to in Bitcoin you can have an IPO and you can start a company without having to spend $4 million on on on uh the the all of the accountants and lawyers that are needed from an IPO in the west I mean the things like that just incredible because we have got to get faster at getting better as a species because our technology is going through the roof human knowledge is doubling every 18 months weapons that are inconceivable uh to to who even a generation or two ago are are readily available surveillance printed in 3D printers yeah and surveillance Technologies I mean God every time we come up with something good the [ __ ] take it and use it against us doesn't that drive you crazy it's like every time you pull out a gun
to fight the mugger the mugger does like this and he has the gun it's like damn it can't we have technology that isn't put to the surface of [ __ ] we have to get faster at getting better as a species because our technology is increasing to the point where if we don't get better quickly I don't think we're going to have much luck staying free well I think we're we are getting better and I think it it is we are trying to catch up to this technological capability that we find ourselves in right now but I I think we are I I really do I I mean it's not just Hollow optimism I really do believe that we are getting better I think that we're commenting on the fact that it's not perfect and I think everybody is and I think this Glenn Greenwald and all these different Edward Snowden and all these people exposing all of the hypocrisy and government and all the all of that is working towards what ultimately will be a very unique time in history when they look back at this time the birth of the internet will be by far one of the biggest events in the history of the human race and we'll look at all these different growing phases and all these different challenging events that happen and we won't we won't see it as much because we're a part of it right now but I think things are just changing people are more responsible for their actions people more educated information flows far more freely than ever before it's happening it's all happening right now but I don't know about you I mean I know I know that a lot of what you do is about getting information out to people and I think that's great I do also think that there's a lot of Ethics behind what it is that you do because it's not like you get a whole bunch of KKK members on here prelati about white nationalism and I think you try to get people with good and useful uh viewpoints even if it's just mentally stimulating that provokes virtue as well for me I really feel a sense of urgency and I try not to let it you know make every day like a race against evil or something like that but I you know the the the the technology of control and surveillance and and all of that is is growing so quickly I really do feel like the same medium that is can be capable of so much control and and surveillance is also what we're using to communicate I feel quite a strong
urgency that it's it's a race of US versus them uh and and this is why like I have like 3,000 shows I mean it's lunatic right but I really do feel because remember freedomain radio where quantity is quality but I really feel you telling yourself short you have a lot to say I mean you can do 3,000 shows because you have 3,000 shows where the things to say you're not trying 3,1 with this cuz if if this is the last show with I've got something to say I'm that we're good but do you do you feel that do you feel that there is I don't feel it's inevitable that the good people win I think that's a lot to do with really working at at getting the message out I think there's a battle I think there always is and I think that battle exists because you need a yin to have a Yang you need a push and a pull you need an evil and a good you need an ideal to subscribe to or aspire to and you also need a really negative thing to avoid I've learned personally from the failures of other people and I think that's an important lesson you've learned from people who've gotten hooked on drugs I've learned from people who have ruined their life because of alcoholism or gambling or whatever the [ __ ] it's been I these are all there also as life lessons and it's a a very very very very fascinating trip that we're on um I do have a sense of urgency but for the most part it's really a sense of stimulation of excitement and of just really excited about the fight yes I I think that if I'd been born later it wouldn't have been as much fun I like being in the fight where it is now cuz it seems so overwhelming you know I mean what if we got two two microphones and and uh one bad haircut and one great polish well we're we're in the craziest time that a human being has ever existed in and trying to figure as far as like technology and information trying to figure our way through this you're going to get these things like the NSA surveillance issue you're going to get that when you find out that they're building this gigantic facility in Utah to store all the information and slowly but surely it gets out they've already started doing it and then it you know all of this cap on remotely iPhones they have 100% control of it they can turn your camera on they can turn your phone on you don't even see it you don't
even know it's on and it can record yeah well uh Amber Lion told us that when she went to other countries they wouldn't let anybody talk to them if they had an iPhone you had to have an Android or some other phone where they could remove the battery or they wouldn't talk to you wow they they were like what do you think we're stupid get that [ __ ] crazy spy device out of here like there's no such thing as an iPhone to them that's a spy device you you got to have a phone where you could remove the battery and sit down where we know that you're not transmitting this conversation to some nefarious Source across the world which is what they can do that is also a part of this weird thing that we're doing but ultimately my thoughts are that if I look at the accountability here's a perfect example look at General Petraeus General Petraeus got caught and removed as the head spy from the CIA being investigated by the FBI I mean the FBI found out that he was having this affair and all this Jazz with the the reporter the woman who wrote the book about him but why how did that happen it was cyber it happened through the very thing that we're all scared of where everyone is scared of someone being able to go into your email and find oh look Stephan Malu apparently he's gone to these communist meetings anded find out it's we have information that maybe You' beening overment and then boom you're in jail like look I was just talking these are theoretical ideas he was just I'm I'm an anarchist but not really I'm not I'm not not raising guns or anything this is what happened to the Head spook oh yeah no I when someone calls in my my show and they say that their name's Jack I don't say hi to them I don't say hi Jack no no I say hi listener because hijack is assume that they're going to be red flag yeah no and I I still do it but I'm like I'm I'm conscious of the fact that you know when I say something is the bomb you know this could be you know could be flaged and Microsoft and Skype are you know in deep with these guys and it's you know it is there I mean we do have to struggle through this stuff and I don't feel particularly uh concerned I think I've hit like with three or four million downloads a month I think I've hit enough trajectory that you know I just can't be targeted in that kind of way
very easily anymore but yeah definitely at the beginning there was a little bit of oh I'm still pretty small and uh there also you you have the ability to be honest and express yourself you can't be like you can't be silenced like in the McCarthy era how did you get your if you know they came after you and said you were a communist and you got kicked out of you know whatever job you were doing what are you going to do you going to start a blog what are you going to do going to get on on [ __ ] Twitter and explain yourself in 140 characters no you couldn't do a damn thing now you know if you have a situation where perhaps maybe something comes out where you did say something that you regret or you did do something in the past that maybe wasn't the best you could describe it in depth in a show own it and it wouldn't it would be a complete non-issue and in fact you'd probably grow from this non-issue and the listeners would grow from the experience of hearing you honestly talk about whatever it is whether it's you know going to some [ __ ] communist meeting I mean obviously that's not an issue now I'm giving McCarthyism terms but what whatever it could be that would be something that they could hold over you and it's almost it doesn't matter anymore you know it almost doesn't matter and and I believe that where this is heading is a Time whether it's a decade two three what have you where there are no secrets and it's probably going to be some sort of a technological change in the way we exchange information maybe it's some Google Glass thing that goes to the next level and becomes an implant or whatever the [ __ ] it is I really don't think there's going to be any secrets I think we're going to laugh one day at the times we used to be able to lie to people we're going to laugh at the times we used to be able to tell people that you're going to go to some place but really you went to some other place there's not going to be that anymore that that that your whereabouts will just be information and it's easy to look as a as a Google search well I I think that uh there's some real benefits to that do you know that there's a whole bunch of lawyers who are now trying to to Pena the NSA yes for data that will exonerate their clients hopefully where they had cell phone records or something
that would helpfully exonerate their clients and so on I I mean I I personally would be more than willing to to give up where I'm going and what I'm doing and so on to an organization that was actually there to sort of help and protect me I mean I was just reading on on The Drudge Report the other day I think it was the was it the FBI or the CIA have just scrubbed from their mission plan anything to do with criminal like pursuing criminals now it's just been entirely basically protecting the powers that be that's so crazy really it's natural though I mean scrambling for control well look the police have no duty to protect that's been shown many many times you have no constitutional right to a jury before the trial of your peers because what is it 95% of people never get a jury trial in in the United States because all they do is they get threatened with insane sentences and they just plea down I mean because there's just you've no hope I mean they've even said that that that um threatening someone with a life sentence for a minor uh transgression uh in they're getting them to plea for something less while threatening them with a life sentence for a minor transgression of the law uh is not cruel and unusual punishment uh it is it is you can't bribe someone with 50 bucks uh in the legal system but you can bribe them with reducing something from 20 years to two years and somehow 18 years is not a bribe so there is no constitutional right to a trial there's almost nobody particularly in drug stuff I mean people just plea down and go to jail uh and a lot of these people are convicted on the hearsay of other people who themselves are giving up whoever they knew in order to to get out of crazy jail time and so on so it is uh it is a monstrous system right now I mean this comes back to the whole war and Drug stuff which is just I mean so amazingly evil that it's it staggers the imagination I mean I can't believe and it's so fantastic that that America is finally looking over to the example of Portugal Portugal 10 years ago decriminalized their drugs and now they have a 50% reduction in drug use uh and they actually get addicts help addicts should get help it's a medical problem they need you know let's say it's not MediCal that
they got in there but so what they're in there right I mean even drunk drivers need the jaws of life to get out of a car and and they they get these people the medical help they need they don't throw people in jail for personal consumption of mind-altering substances like TV isn't one of those and they actually get people help and now they're starting to get a couple of things here and there where you can go and buy this stuff legally and so on I mean thank God I mean I I thought we were going to be so past what it used to be like before the War on Drugs that people like at least with prohibition it was only what 13 or 14 years in the 30s with prohibition and even that brought organized crime over to America I thought we we'd have this War on Drugs for so long that people would be would have forgotten what it was like beforehand and it would have just gone on forever but it does look like there is going to be some relaxation of this stuff some tentative steps are being taken towards it and my God what an incredible thing uh that that's happening because I mean the majority of people in prison are there for completely nonviolent offenses do you know the what what they did in Colorado with the uh legal marijuana you're allowed to buy it and sell it retail a vet was the first guy who bought right yes a vet was the first guy who bought in one day they went they made over a million dollars the first day 12 stores made over a million dollars in Colorado wow and by the way that money is going to be taxed and it's going to be going back to the people and that's going to benefit people that stimulates the economy it's actually good and it makes people nicer it's it's going to calm a lot of people down put people in a more sensitive mood so much I mean let's say you could just legalize all this stuff tomorrow what an incredible thing it would be first of all there'd be less incentive one of the reasons people get hooked uh is because people offer them free drugs because it's so profitable once they are hooked right it's also forbidden so it seems It's enticing one of the things about Holland been so fascinating is that their hard drug use is radically down because cannabis is so prevalent and accepted yeah so I'm actually going to go speak
in Amsterdam I'm speaking to this huge crowd in Amsterdam about cryptocurrencies in in April I think it's called currencies yeah Bitcoin and stuff like that yeah why is that crypto oh because it's encrypted it's Anonymous it's you know it's not open clear text whatever like secret well kind of secret right in that you just you can't be identified if you take some basic steps in in your economic transactions and what a blessing that is for a lot of people even people who are doing the right stuff like a third of the world's economy a third of the whole world's economy is black or gray Market you know it's it's huge that's so crazy when people find out that that was a major motivation for the Vietnam War in you that's another thing you can find out on the internet today is how much money was being made by selling heroin people don't even want to believe that they're like oh come on you really think that heroin had a lot to do with the Vietnam War for the people who were selling it it certainly [ __ ] did and those people made trillions of dollars right like what do you think where did that all go did that all just disappear did it turn into mist was it like the Super Soaker in the 41 below zero air what what the [ __ ] happened what happened to all that money the poies in Afghanistan do people think that the poppies in Afghanistan are completely irrelevant to the war it's not anyway it's a whole well it's yeah it's a fascinating subject because people automatically want to dismiss it because of the war on drugs and because it's not thought of as a commodity it's instead thought of as something that's illegal and and just gross and like oh drugs drugs drugs drugs are money and money is what everybody wants and these [ __ ] people that are over there that are trying to extract resources whether it's in the form of natural gas or whether it's in the form of oil that same type of thinking if you think that that same type of thinking doesn't agree or doesn't doesn't work in terms of like trying to make similar amounts of money from illegal drugs you're crazy and it's it's so naive and drugs are a fantastic way to harass the population you know because the the whole idea behind common law is that the law is passive like the law doesn't go out looking for problems
you know like if you if you come key my car then I call up the cops and then like because you've done me wrong you know the law leaps into action the law is never supposed to exist without a complaint right and if you know if you buy drugs from some guy and you like the drugs and he likes your money there's no complaint but the law then becomes proactive and it goes out there looking for problems and nobody's complaining and that's when the law becomes tyrannical uh when the law is passive and just waits for a complaint and has clear rules ah okay that's a fairly good thing when the law goes from reactive to proactive and starts going out there to look oh prostitution oh gambling oh drugs you know this is all voluntary consensual stuff you know it may not be healthy in excess but neither are cheesecakes who gives a [ __ ] right well how about the fact that people are being arrested now for having secret compartments in their car yeah I read about that yeah yeah not even having drugs having zero drugs but having a secret compartment apartment in their car you're you they can strip your car down search it even if they find nothing they're not in trouble well and they get they get these stupid drug sniffing dogs they're completely [ __ ] I mean what oh did you find something boy oh did you find something the dog starts going like this because of the tone of voice of the cop and they suddenly think that this is somehow some justification well that's they're actually very good at training dogs to find drugs I mean that's they can also be encouraged by the policeman who wants to harass someone right they can be if they're trained poorly but if they act in a very strong way I mean dog their sense of smell is impossible for us to even fathom they can find how dogs put up with people like mean we smell so bad yeah like how how they got to love us something fierce you know cuz we are as hell we think of smell as a bad thing and they don't they sniff other dogs shites bother them maybe that's why they love us as we smell like [ __ ] I don't know they like that um but dogs can actually smell cancer they can take vials yeah they've trained dogs they've taken vials of tissue and have cancerous tissue in certain vials and had a whole row of many many many choices and this do went down the roow and went right to
it over and over again so they can actually smell cancer on people they can smell sick people wow I did yeah we we can't even I mean they can smell fear they can smell adrenaline rushes they can smell when you're thinking about doing something there's a lot of reasons to have those those senses those senses of smell I mean animals have them in a very very strong way if animals smell you in the woods they [ __ ] run I mean they smell you they they know your intentions almost I mean there's information that comes out in your scent that we just our noses are stupid our nose oh it's pot roast oh I smell gas you know our noses are broken they're so clumsy a great analogy for for how incompetent our noses are in comparisons to a dog is skunks because we can smell skunk scent in one part per billion we can smell skunk scent a little bit of spray weigh the [ __ ] down the block and we'll be like what is that that's how a dog is Dog can smell everything like that they can smell all kinds of things and tiny amounts of it in the air and we can find people in the woods man a guy runs through the woods and a dog knows where the guy went based on his body touching the ground in certain places wow and it's your [ __ ] shoe and your shoe how much scent is your shoe giving off but the dog can smell that and find you would you I've I've thought about this sometimes I was like I was just I I went to exercise before the show and I so my wife was laying out some stuff cuz she you know has a better clothing sense I'd be here in like a mesh t-shirt and like this yeah something like that caveman coffee and I was thinking would you if you could like just I don't know like 10 seconds in someone else's Consciousness do you think that would be like the most or 10 seconds in a dog's brain I think would just be like if I could do that and come back and not be insane like I I think I you know we were talking about I would totally do that like if I could sit there in my wife's brain for 10 seconds or or even half a day or whatever I think that would be so amazing you know to just with her experience is different than mine another species I could love be in a shark's brain to be in I just if I could do that and come back and not be completely mental but still retain the memory of it I don't know it's kind of
an idle thought but I think it would be really really fascinating you know what they should do they should if they do ever come up with that technology they should force it on the people at SeaWorld and get get a killer whale's mind and stick it in a person and have them person's leg off just have them realize caring so much you bastards just what kind of torture they're they're existing in on a daily basis yeah make them make them do it and see if they come back and still want to run seaw worlds oh I don't know or zoos or anything like that of course zoos we have to have because it's the only place you'll let kodo dragons exist right we or some rich guy's yard some rich guy's got a big [ __ ] big fence with a big kodo siiz like barbecue there for special guests right well well that's my thoughts on on animals you know I've always said I I do love nature much as you do I do respect nature I I find it absolutely beautiful and fascinating amazing and I talk about wolves and bears and all this different [ __ ] like as if I hate them all but I'm absolutely thrilled that they exist I find it amazing but one of the things that people who are more interested in animals than they are people I mean there's there's a lot of animal lovers that say just unbelievably ridiculous things sometimes like we can't find cures for childhood cancers because of bunnies like that you can't test Stu on bunnies you know these are just people whose kids have never been sick yes you know like I don't care how many bunnies it takes make my I mean sorry you know I have a little bit more allegiance to the you know genetic closeness uh I think there is um a bit too much I think a bit too much that way I mean human life is still pretty significant relative to animals well yeah I antibiotics people I'm on team people I've always been on Team people Team B yeah it doesn't mean I hate the other teams but if the [ __ ] goes down I'm with the people rabbits start [ __ ] running through the streets killing babies I'm shooting rabbits you know AB seems real I'm not going say well you know they were here first you know I think you should totally sell tickets to your dreams cuz you know you're going to dream about that tonight like you had that dream about giving roses to the guy now you
can have a dream about rabbits running through the streets killing people it's possible yeah it's very possible damn it bunnies well I've had I've had many many animal dreams um I have a a vast amount of respect for animals and I've also been around them I've seen a couple of mountain lines I've been around a lot of coyotes coyotes are the creepiest [ __ ] ever you know I was in my yard the other day uh and uh I think it was a coyote might have been a mountain line but something was chasing a deer and I just randomly happened to be there when it happened and this deer was [ __ ] big you know like you know maybe 100 plus pounds whatever it was cuz I could hear it running and I'm outside it's 2 o'clock in the morning I'm just chilling outside and I just happened to be really close to this happening so this animal just [ __ ] runs through the back and all that I didn't see it all I saw I saw a silhouette because it was really dark out but it was [ __ ] running and it was heavy and behind it was something chasing it something trying to eat it and I pretty sure it was a coyote and when I see when I just feel that and hear that and know that like I find it thrilling I find it fascinating but I also find it quite terrifying that's the food chain there's something about as big as me and it's running away from something about as big as me oh yeah I mean if grass could make horror movies they'd all be called the deer you know the [ __ ] cows you know he didn't even kill him he just bit the top of his head off oh that's bleeding and screaming some ripped out by the roots yeah monstrous yeah you're right you're right 100% listen I think we're out of time I think we we three whole hours yeah we just crushed through yeah we didn't talk about a lot of the things that I wanted to talk about quick that f it always feels quick man yeah keep telling you know as I told my girlfriends you know it's longer than it feels these conversations are fascinating you know they they do feel quick they go by but three hours seems to be the right amount you don't have any like chat room uh because people are watching they watch this live right yeah this is live Ustream right now ustream.tv slj Rogan it's live um right now so there there's a bunch of people watching it live more people will catch
it on YouTube but the most will see it uh either as an MP3 and they're going to say like relative to the last show this has delicious buttery audio Yeah there's more deliciousness to it for sure we had some caveman coffee with butter last time we were stuck in a hotel T Stevia too put in a pitch for the stevia CU that that is like cocaine for my sugar to my sweet tooth that is just fantastic and it's not it's not dangerous it's not I mean you need a tiny amount of it to sweeten things as well and it doesn't spike your sugar it doesn't [ __ ] with your insulin levels it's actually not bad for you listen man we got to do this more often I really enjoy this very much I'll be back here in March maybe we do another one [ __ ] yeah down ladies and gentlemen thank you sir really appreciate it you so a lot of fun even more fun than the last one um and you can catch Stefon online at freedomain radio. it's um fdr.com iTunes for my feed and you might as well give my I'm sure most of my listeners know your feed as well but free domain radio is your I your uh your iTunes feed uh yeah it's no FDR url.com freedomain radio will get people to the iTunes feed it's a redirect and you have a vast amount of of of content out there and uh all that sort of stuff so I hope people would check it out YouTube videos as well and that's one of the things I really admire about what you do like whenever something happens in the news it's controversial you have a very uh poignant point about about it you'll do this long 20 minute really indepth discussion of these things just you no editing standing right in front of a camera and that takes a lot of balls and it's also very impressive it's it's great stuff and you have great points I really enjoy talking to you so Stefan Malu ladies and gentlemen and you can find him on Twitter uh your Twitter is the same Stefan Malu right fre domain radio but it's also Stefon Ming you right uh yeah that's what I yeah you follow me buddy I'm looking at you right now all right so there's a free what you're looking at on the screen that seems true that is there a free domain radio one as well I think there is yeah Mike is going to kill me if I get this oh you have a guy that does it he does it so I do all my Twitter [ __ ] so you have a guy that guy might get mad at you
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