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supplements All right that's on.com O NiT is here We're gonna get the party started All right Get the music Joe Rogan podcast Check it out The Joe Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day Thank you for joining us Thank you for having me Super excited Casperian Is that the right way to pronounce it From the Young Turks Um which is you guys are like the new media right There's like there's old media and there's new media Yeah Establishment media new media I'm actually working on a book about it Um I mean I'm not 100% sure that it's going to be published so I don't want to you know give too many details It's it's work something I'm working on now Um but I got to experience that transition from establishment media to new media And there are really important differences and just this whole media revolution that's happening That's really exciting for anyone who's interested in journalism And I mean you're part of it with this podcast Allegedly you are you are allegedly And it's a it's a it's a really great way for people who want to be heard without being censored You know I I can basically say anything I want on my my show without worrying about anyone telling me "Hey you can't say this you can't say that." We have corporate sponsors We got to make sure the advertisers you know continue giving us money What's fascinating is all you have to do is be interesting entertaining informative and that's it It doesn't have to have CNN on it or Fox on it or any of these other names that we've attributed to like meaning what the news is where the news comes from Definitely I mean when I first started working at TYT it was this unknown show It had been around for a few years Um but it was a really big risk for me to work there because I was working at CBS radio at the time and CBS radio had like a very clear path for me You start off as an assistant producer You're work you will work your way up and if you're good enough and persistent enough you'll be an anchor and you'll be fine you know you'll be set for life Um with TYT it was just this huge risk because it was unknown I didn't know if it would survive At the time it was on this uh radio station called Air America I don't know if you heard of it Yeah I remember
that For folks TYT stands for the Young Turks Yeah the Young Turks in case you're on a plane with no Google and you're like "What the [ __ ] is she talking?" Um so I just remember being really unhappy at CBS feeling like you know even if I get to the the top of the ladder within this company I'm not going to feel fulfilled doing what they're doing Um and the first day I worked at the Young Turks um I heard Jen Uger the main host of the show go on this rant against the Bush administration and some of the ridiculous you know civil liberty violations uh civil li liberties violations that they were accused of guilty of not not even accused of And I was like "Wow you do not see this in the media You don't see this type of honesty You don't see people go off like that They're usually very senatorial whenever they're doing any type of commentary." And I was tired of it I wanted some real news coverage So that's why I made the decision that I made and I and I left And thank God I made that decision because TYT actually succeeded in in big ways In what what year do you think it was where you know it started to shift because it seems like to me it's uh maybe three five whatever years it is but within the last few years there's this shift where my friends don't ever talk to me about what they saw on CNN They don't talk to me what they saw on Fox News It's always I read this online I watch this online I saw the Young Turks I watched this show I watched this guy's podcast and this guy said I mean everybody that I talk to is is talking about stuff that they're getting when they're talking about real issues They're talking about stuff they're getting online Yeah Well a lot of things have changed People don't rush home to watch a newscast anymore And people also know that there are corporate interests involved in traditional media You know you see advertisements for things that you can't even buy on traditional media Like I see uh advertisements for this company called Seammens and I'm like what are they trying to sell me And you realize that they're not trying to sell the consumer anything It's a form of control over the network BP has a bunch of advertisements on mainstream media and if they are the people that are paying your bills you are less likely to be critical of their business practices
So with with traditional media you have that issue and I think people are now more and more aware of it And with online media it's on demand okay It's raw We cuss We say whatever the hell we want without worrying about censorship And people like that It's there's something really refreshing about it you know Well they didn't have it before and they didn't think they could And they thought if they did it probably would come in an uneducated form Exactly Probably be some idiots are saying stupid things that don't even ring true But instead there's intelligent people and they're like "Fuck this." And you're like "Whoa hold on." Like these people are actually articulate They they look like they went to school like this is this is you know this is a new thing I actually think that it's a perfect example of the free market deciding because I don't think that the American people are stupid I think that they can det decide and determine whether or not someone is intelligent enough or credible enough to cover a particular story So a perfect example of that is um I'm not a science reporter So whenever I attempt to cover science news uh the audience tears me apart for it as they should because that's not my expertise my expertise is political commentary um social commentary and that's usually the stuff that does really well on The Young Turks when I cover it Um and so the audience decides and they will let you know With mainstream media it's really difficult for you to voice your opinion if you don't like the coverage right You might write an email but you don't know if anyone's ever going to see it With our show we're on YouTube We get constant constant feedback and a lot of times it's um not constructive Uh but but sometimes it is constructed I like how you said it like that Not constructed Yeah that might be the lowest form of human on the planet is the YouTube commenter There are some pretty hideous people on there If you looked at it like per numbers like per capita it's got 40% assads Okay so let me give you an example of something that enraged me the other day I literally lost it in our studio and everyone's like "You need to calm down." We covered this story about this guy in Massachusetts who was going around taking upskirt pictures with his cell
phone Okay so cops finally caught him back in 2010 and now he's going to stand trial for it and he's actually suing the government because he feels that his first amendment rights have been violated And his female lawyer is arguing that since these women are in a public place they have no reasonable expectation of privacy Therefore he should be allowed to take upskirt pictures of them How absurd is that argument Anyway we cover it on the show We share our you know opinion on it And I would say like about onethird of the audience was like "Yeah they're right Yeah Anna's a dumb [ __ ] What if she doesn't know anything First Amendment rights." And it's like "What am I supposed to do with these types of situations?" It's really frustrating That's those women who are lawyers are gangster That was some That's some gangster [ __ ] right there That's like some traitor [ __ ] right there Yeah And I would I'd be very curious to see if she would be okay with this dude with her own client taking upskirt pictures with her or of her Um and another argument she made was what I mean all these women were wearing underwear We didn't see their badge so it's okay Wow That's very gangster of her That's is that just what happens when you get into the business world You get into the corporate world and you you know you become a lawyer and you're just it's about winning and losing and you take on the on the client and just argue it even though you're sold your own vagina down the river you know I know Exactly She sold her own vagina I don't know what she looks like but maybe she has nothing to worry about Maybe no one wants to get an upscu Or maybe she's just dying for someone to get a picture of hers She's just a freak That could be it too Definitely Yeah That's a that's a [ __ ] big leap that those women lawyers made They just decided [ __ ] straight to hell I was really surprised by that But you know look when you have um there's like financial gain involved then okay I guess I can kind of understand where you're coming from You're a lawyer and you're trying to make some money I guess And it's really difficult for lawyers right now to even get cases to get work So maybe that plays a role in it But what really bothered me about it is we have a progressive audience like our
audience is pretty liberal So whenever I see that kind of response to a story like that I'm always shocked I'm like "Wait you guys are okay with this It's just men It's just men who are most men who are raised by [ __ ] That's a lot of it It's a big part of it The real problem is they don't even realize they're being [ __ ] because their dad was a [ __ ] their brother's a [ __ ] they grow up in a community of [ __ ] They don't even realize it It's just it's just ape behavior And there's also a possibility that they're just straight out trolling Like they don't even believe what they're saying but they're doing it to get a response like this I just they just won They just won And I'm totally aware of that But I just Yeah And I remember I remember being in the studio like reading the comments and I was like "What the [ __ ] Why What am I doing with my life Does it matter Does you know?" And I started feeling really bad about it but then I was like "You just can't let that stuff get to you You got to take it with a grain of salt." Yeah you can get caught up in an online troll war You You guys actually made fun of me The Young Turks did because I I got in an online MySpace thing I don't even remember this It was a long time ago But he he was right I would have made fun of me if I was me I shouldn't have had this interaction with this kid This kid kept harassing me over and over again It was during the MySpace days and you know no one knew like how to handle that Yeah It was like the new thing that someone could just contact people And so some people would just contact people and go "Why haven't you not killed yourself you know just and you would get an email from someone saying you know you're horrible You should you know you you should eat glass you know whatever." You get like a lot of those in a day Like what the [ __ ] Like this is weird This is a new thing Interesting I get um dick pics regularly Really regular Regularly Do you geo tag them And you should put the re-upload them online let everybody know where that sweet dick is hiding I've considered that But you know a lot of times they'll send me the pictures on Facebook cuz I have a fan page on Facebook and every once in a while check the messages and they're so stupid
because all of their private information is on there like where they work who their girlfriend or their wife is And part of me wants to like forward it over to their girlfriend or wife but I'm too nice Like I don't want to like ruin their lives over their like perverted behavior Well that's very kind of you to not do that Didn't a guy uh recently lose his job because they found out he would Yeah he was a Reddit troll It was like would do evil evil [ __ ] on Reddit and some people said "All right who is this guy?" And then they found you know who this guy was and it it was a character that he was playing like to blow off steam He would be like allegedly he would just be like really evil and nasty online A small part of me felt kind of bad for him because he had a family to take care of and you know it's going to like destroy his life And I get it Online anonymity allows people to blow off steam in that way And a lot of people right now because of the economic crisis because of all the crap that's going on in the government all the death and destruction that's around us constantly a lot of people need some sort of outlet And so they will use online anonymity to do that to say hideous things to other people because that makes them feel good about themselves And I think that if you're a mature adult you can just ignore them and step away I'm not interested in censoring them I know that YouTube is trying to like you know work with their comments so those negative comments get pushed back to the bottom or whatever and no one can read them I just feel like you know the internet should be an open forum for the most hateful people if they want to be hateful And we as adults have to have thicker skin and just walk away and not let it get get to us And it's hard to do It still gets to me I mean that's what I open the show with You know I like the way YouTube handles it If too many people say this comment's [ __ ] then they they eliminate it But you could always see it If you wanted to like show the comment you could still show the comment And they're they're slowly getting rid of anonymity where they're you know attaching the comments to a Google+ account so it'll be easier to identify who that person is Um I'm not necessarily against that I just feel
like you know I don't want to move closer toward censorship online I love that it's an open forum even though there are negative aspects to it that impact my life So yeah No I agree with you I think it's uh it's an important like method of criticism that was never available before We have a very honest view of like what you do and what people like what you when they like what you do when they don't And e even if it's like really o hyper critical overcritical if they have a point like that point probably would have never gotten to you during any other era and like if you want to like really analyze what you're doing and try to figure out like what's the best way to hone this and they'll give you a lot of input They definitely will I will say that my political views have changed significantly since I started working at TYT and it's not necessarily because of my colleagues Um it has a lot to do with audience feedback For instance you know what I thought about prostitution when I first started It was very different from what I think now I was definitely against legalizing prostitution I was in favor of tough on crime legislation when it came to dealing with that And then I realized like this is stupid It's not keeping anyone safe Um people are getting hurt as a result of you know pushing this ban against prostitution So I've changed my views on that I think that we should legalize it and regulate it because that'll create a safe environment And that's just one example of many Willie D from the Ghetto Boy said it best He said "You got to let a hoe be a hoe." I mean if you have two consenting adults wanting to do that exchange money for sex why the hell not It's amazing that we have like this huge porn industry in the country and as long as they do it in front of a camera it's totally fine Yeah But if they do it behind the scenes it's illegal Well it's also weird that you could have sex with anybody you want for free and nothing there's no crime committed at all but if money's exchanged somehow you become a criminal Both parties Does anyone really have sex for free though when you really think about it Anna you just got deep I didn't want to know this about you Um I think uh yeah there's people that Yeah there's people where it evens out where it's
free on both sides No no no But what I mean by that is usually there's something else involved I'm not talking about money but there are emotions involved There's an exchange of emotions There's an exchange of something Fluids Oh need to get rid of fluids True Yeah Well you know there's there's obviously there's massive issues with men versus women as far as how they emotionally connect to sex and and also the the need like what I don't know what it's like to need sex as a woman I'm sure it's a very specific itch Whereas with a male I I'm pretty sure after all my years of observing men and women in the different that it's a different animal I think horniness for a man is very intoxicating and fogging and confusing And I don't know if it is for women I think that's why like a lot of women like a few cocktails first so they can they can light up the the crazy furnace without I think I think the cocktails I think men and women have similar sexual desires However women are not allowed to be as open about it because of societal expectations and certain gender roles If you are a woman who is open about how much you love sex and how often you want to have sex and how badly you need it you are looked at as a hoe There's no question about it People will refer to you as a loose woman a [ __ ] woman That's the reason why a lot of women like to have the cocktails before they have sex because that'll allow them to let loose and do what they really want to do right You know without feeling guilty about it Um at least that's my my take And then also if you don't have sex if you decide to save yourself for marriage or you save save yourself for someone that you genuinely love or whatever then you're considered a prude There's really no winning Yeah Women have a total short end of a stick societ society wise when it comes to sex without a doubt But I think that if you wanted to say like who's going to think that you're a hoe for enjoying sex Well it's definitely going to be women It's going to be a lot of women that think you're a hoe And it's definitely going to be guys who you won't have sex with Right Right So what's left You're only left with like two groups of guys There's guys that would have zero problem with it at all And then there's guys that would only have a problem with
it if you weren't attracted to them That's you know and most like see it weeds out [ __ ] So if you were a chick and you were just like "Listen I'm a freak I like to get [ __ ] all day long That's what I'm into." You'll find exactly the right people you need in your life That's an interesting perspective Girls won't want to have anything to do with you I know But you'll also attract a lot of really scary pervy people Oh no doubt Instantly Instantly Because I think I think for a lot of people especially in the culture we're living right now if you're that open about your sexual desires you know people will see that as a green light to do things that might even be considered illegal you know whether it's harassment or sexual assault or something That's true And also I mean this is like probably uh [ __ ] but I would I would imagine that if if you're the type of person that starts getting into like threesomes and tying each other up and you start getting like really freaky it's way easy to go too far with that It's way like if you hear about someone like "I'm just into sex all day long Just love sex." Is it just sex or how long does it take before a ball gag comes out You know is it a month in your relationship You know like a year later what are you going to be into a year from now Just duct tape Dude I like ripping it off of her You know there's people that get in like how does that happen They they go down one of those pervy roads Yeah No you just got deep Yeah You go down pervy road and you just can't get satisfied It's like people have this weird thing of constantly want wanting progress If they if they have a house that's 4,000 ft² they want a house that's 5,000 feet If they make half a million dollars a year they want to make a million dollars a year They always want to take things to the next level and that includes like freaky [ __ ] Well that's the American way You always want more more You want the bigger TV And even I'm definitely guilty of that You know I live in a really modest apartment that I love but the other day I was like you know I can probably go for a bigger apartment but why I live by myself My apartment's fine I don't need a bigger one right Um when it comes to you know physical stuff I think you kind of just get desensitized by things
You know there have been many studies about what porn does to the brain and you start off by watching something that might be considered softcore and that's enough to you know do the job Um and then all of a sudden you're watching more and more hardcore stuff and you just become desensitized to it And for a lot of teenage boys that grow up on that kind of stuff that's what they expect from women you know or girls once they start having sex It's really scary stuff And there it's changing people's sexuality without a doubt The the bush is gone The bush died because of porn I heard that you're upset about that I'm terrified You They let porn win It just doesn't make sense It's like everybody let porn win before Nobody had a problem until like 1990 Nobody had a problem with a hairy vagina It was just what it was I mean people trimmed around them but generally there was a lot going on down there especially if you dated an Italian girl what have you But now it's like their victory is just universal It's like the the victory over that aesthetic the victory over the shaved you know waxed genitals Well those women are supposed to symbolize male desire They're supposed to symbolize what a man wants you know and then that has an influence on regular women and they think "Oh am I supposed to look that way Am I supposed to groom that way?" Um there have been stories of women that injure themselves because they'll go get bleached in areas that they shouldn't be getting bleached And it's just amazing to me that it's that influential I know Yeah It's very strange It's It's a silent influential thing It is It's very odd And I was when when the uh markets were crashing and government bailouts were going down Um I was fascinated I was like how come nobody ever wanted to bail out the porn industry Like why would they pretend that the porn industry isn't this giant monster business that all of a sudden just evaporated Like half of it what threearters of it I don't know what the number of it that just disappeared Yeah Because of the internet right But so like who's pretending that this isn't a real business Like everyone's like "Well I guess they'll just have to exist on their own." Meanwhile you're watching it Like that person's a fan of it He probably has like a bunch of different
videos that he has like bookmarked on his laptop or something Yeah definitely But at the same time which politician would come out and say "We need to bail out the porn industry." That would be political suicide We live in this puritanical society I mean that would be insane There's also the same sort of feeling that happened with the music business is that you know like the music business went out as well with the the downloads of MP3s and file sharing They lost a giant piece of revenue I mean just evaporated and no one really was considering bailing them out either It's like it was like you know you kind of should have figured this out dummies Yeah Well I I agree with you on that but at the same time everything always goes back to who is funding our politicians You know Wall Street these big bankers these are the people that fund the campaigns for our politicians which is why they just willy-nilly went for the bailout Um and by the way after the bailout happened we did nothing to break up these too big to fail banks They still exist and they're still doing the same type of [ __ ] that'll lead to another economic collapse I mean the regulation that we passed was nothing So it's just it always goes back to money and politics which you know we talk about on the show all the time If someone is funding you whether it's the media or whether you're a politician you're not going to go against them You're always going to bail them out Yeah Terrence McKenna described it as a he how did he describe it He described it as a special interest oligarchy disguising itself as a democracy Oh yeah We we have legalized bribery in this country It's amazing though isn't it I mean when you really stop and and think that that is it's gotten to the point that it is today where essentially it's open It's pretty obvious It's they're they control virtually every single aspect of our economy our society It's all just money generating hubs These big giant spaceships filled with [ __ ] that are just sucking money out of out of whatever whether it's through oil or natural gas or whatever they're doing whatever Why do why do oil subsidies exist Like good question Why don't people ask the government that Like why the hell are we giving these massive profitable oil companies subsidies It's
insane At the same time we're cutting funding for education We're privatizing public schools which is a complete and utter disaster Subsidies sounds like they should get it It's like well there's oil subsidies Oh okay oil subsidies you know it's not like oil donations or oil oil oil pola If they called it oil poliola people would go "Wait a minute What is that Why you why do they get don't they have a lot of money What's happening here?" Most profitable industry in the United States in the world you know So it's it's frustrating stuff But fortunately you know there are ways around it Citizens United was a terrible Supreme Court ruling you know which effectively allows corporations to act as people and make these unlimited campaign donations to politicians So one way that you can get around that is by creating a constitutional amendment which we're trying to do at the Young Turks Um there's a political action committee that we formed called Wolfpack Um your audience can learn more about it at wolf do-pac.com And basically it would have state leaders um propose a resolution and the resolution would uh create a constitutional convention where you can make an amendment to the constitution that would get money out of politics And that would fix so many problems because then our broken democracy would change into a system that it was intended to be where our elected politicians are supposed to represent us the people instead of corporations Well when you back something in the corner and shine a light on it you really get to know its true nature And if that ever does come to play it would be a very fascinating moment to see how the system that's in place today would deal with the idea of taking money out of politics and what kind of a scramble would take place Yeah that would be it would be quite weird to see It would be it's I'm not going to lie it's definitely going to be difficult to do I you know Jen Uger is really optimistic about it I'm not as optimistic as he is but I think that if if the American people become a little more politically active and they sign the petitions necessary and they hold their state representatives accountable I think that this could happen You know it just takes a little bit of political
activism and unfortunately there's this huge level of apathy right now Um which I don't understand because the political climate is leading to you know this economic meltdown and all of the problems that people are experiencing right now income inequality wealth inequality It's scary stuff I mean we lie to ourselves when we say that we live in the best country in the world We have legalized bribery We need to fix it We need to fix our democratic process When when you look at the future of this country the way it's running the way it is currently operated how long can that it seems like it's falling apart at the wheels It seems like it's like this crazy thing that's spinning and shaking and sucking money out and freaking out How long can this thing operate the way it is right now I'm not sure I mean that's a really good question but people are really starting to feel you know the the downfall of how our system is working Like just to give you an example this number blows my mind Uh the top 10% in this country own 75% of the wealth That is bananas That's a lot of money That's a lot of money That's a lot of ballers And 10% ballers 10% ballers Everyone else is struggling They're struggling Um top 1% owns onethird of the wealth in the country Um and so people are struggling to make ends meet And the reason why that's happening is because we're seeing these huge tax cuts for the most wealthiest people You know why is it that we're supposed to have the highest corporate tax rate but when because of corporate loopholes we actually have the lowest corporate tax rate I mean we got to get rid of those loopholes And then you have the Republicans saying "Yeah you know what We should raise taxes." One way we can do that is by getting rid of deductions Which deduction do they want to go after Homeowners They want to go after uh people who get that uh interest rate deduction in their taxes and that of course impacts the middle class So it's just there's just a lot of frustrating stuff going on It seems like there's too much stuff going on for everybody to pay attention to everything And that's one of the reasons where the apathy comes in It's just too freaky There's too much happening It's too nutty It's not going to get fixed [ __ ] Close the shade I'm going to take a nap I'm going to watch
the Kardashians or you know play video games or do whatever I need to do to distract myself And I don't blame people for doing that A lot of these issues are really complicated and complex You know you have to sit down and do so much research We have this mainstream media that's also broken They're not reporting the real news You know you have to really depend on independent media to get real facts And so I don't blame people for wanting to be distracted But at the same time if we allow things to continue the way they are we're going to have the wealthiest people living in their castles with moes around them while we're going to struggle to find private security because everything that is publicly funded is going to be defunded in including our education We're seeing that happen now Nobody ever wants to think that the operating system that we have that runs our society could fall apart Nobody ever wants to think that all of a sudden there would be no cops because they don't get paid But that's happened in places like Camden New Jersey Yep Perfect example Yeah they didn't have cops It's insane And of course I mean it's common sense Their crime rate shot up as a result of that Of course it was a free ride Yep I mean that that's if you were like a really bad person that is like the best place to move in the country Yep They were like look there's no cops They don't even have them Yeah That's a small little crumbling in the foundation of our society Just a little one And you know maybe they fixed it for now but eventually that could happen There was an Anthony Bourdain special I was watching today Um love him by the way Yeah he's great His new show um for the CNN show he was in Detroit and uh he was just going over these factories where they used to make these amazing cars and now they're just completely falling apart And it's it's freaky It's freaky to see how this city of 2 million plus people now is like less than 700,000 and you can buy a house for like 500 bucks and he was like touring around the city and checking it out and I was that if that can happen that quickly Yep That's just one city That can happen other places too I'm like this whole thing is like barely hanging together with chewing gum And I think the most frustrating part about that is you know
we have politicians that will pass policies that lead to the collapse of certain cities California is in a lot of trouble right now because of a proposition we passed in 1978 called Proposition 13 It capped property taxes at 1.2% And as a result we started defunding our education which is why the LAUSD went from being one of the best school districts in the country to being one of the worst school districts in the country And we just lost out on a ton of revenue as a result of our low very low property taxes And so they'll pass policies like that In the case of California of course Californians voted for it which was disastrous But then at the same time they'll cut government programs that'll help the poorest people whether it's the SNAP program or the food stamp program or you know the welfare programs or whatever that help needy kids And it's like look if you don't want to spend this much money on governmental programs or social programs then stop passing policies and tax cuts that make it really really difficult for people to make ends meet Well I think if it wasn't for shows like yours and people like you and Jenk who are exposing this stuff and people in the new media people that are writing these very very popular blogs if it wasn't for that this information wouldn't be going out And if the information wasn't going out people wouldn't realize what a cluster [ __ ] it really is They would tune into the nightly news and get this sense that everything's going to be okay which is basically what America did until the internet came around Yeah definitely Yeah It seems like within the 10 15 plus years of the active internet the whole world has just stopped and went "Wait what the [ __ ] are we doing?" Like everyone's shaking their head looking left and right Confusion turmoil and questioning on a level that I don't think we've seen before And this weird new thing where anybody can just stick a camera and attach you know USB it to a laptop and boom you're online Making YouTube videos or making MP3s it's incredible It's a weird weird time It gets me really excited like just thinking about it because the possibilities are endless And I mean we had the Young Turks We had no marketing budget We had no publicity We had nothing All we did was create a business
model that worked Uh Jenk does the really serious political reporting which I'm jealous of That's what I want to do Um and then I come in and I do the stuff that goes viral online Why would you be jealous of paying attention to this system I I love politics Really I love politics I And don't get me wrong why don't you marry it Maybe I will No I I love I I mean I studied political science for my masters And it's just always been a passion of mine since I was in high school So even though things are really bad right now I have this passion to try to make a difference And so I see Jenk making a difference And I'm really proud of him And he's someone that's been my mentor someone that I look up to And you know I I want to be able to analyze politics as well as he does At the same time you know I was brought in for something completely different I was brought in to make the company money and that's basically what I do Um the stories that I cover in my hour of the show are sometimes very important social stories Um you know whether it's gay rights women's rights whatever You know men's rights when it comes to um how they get screwed over you know when it comes to children and marriage and basically the law men men are basically screwed over when it comes to sexual harassment and stuff but women aren't Like it's amazing Um but that's a side note But then you know I'll do the stories that are really stupid but people love them Like we'll do a Miley Cyrus story and it'll get like millions of views and we'll make a ton of money off that video but there's no value to that story So I always feel guilty doing it So I'll have I'll have days where I'm just like "Yeah I'm I'm a big failure like this is what I do for my life and I feel guilty about it I I hear what you're saying but at the same time following politics is like following some [ __ ] fake minstrel show It's like it's fake It's discouraging There's no question about I mean it's like I I always like I had this conversation with uh Jamie Kilstein once from dude from Citizen Radio and he they were talking about politics and I go "Do you ever think that by following this fake horse and pony show that you're like you're like lending credence to it because you're an intelligent person and you're pretending this isn't all just [ __ ]
who are getting bribed because that's what it really is It's really just a bunch of [ __ ] that are getting bribed and they're the ones and their cronyism and all this weird [ __ ] going on with laws and things they can and can't get away with and what they can and can't get charged with Well I mean look there's there's a huge difference between political reporters in the mainstream that just report on it but they don't really give a [ __ ] about making a difference And then there's a huge difference between people like Jamie and Allison on Citizen Radio or the Young Turks or any other you know uh what is it called H name just uh lost me Alex Jones No not Alex Jones infowars.com Alex Jones You guys have been stealing our thunder We're coming at you with YouTube views infowars.com the number one media source in the nation Young Turks tries to pretend they have similar ratings So you've seen that That's awesome Alex is a friend of mine Is he Yeah He's crazy I Yeah he's crazy Out of his mind He's out of his mind I I I have no problem with He's a great guy though You love him If you met him he's a sweetheart Jank did meet him and he ended up liking him So I believe it I believe it Um but his response video to us was hilarious on so many different levels Like put a shirt on dude Put a [ __ ] shirt on Like if you're trying to make a decent point and you don't want to seem like you're loony put a [ __ ] shirt on But don't if you're Alex Jones you know you have [ __ ] shirt Over 100 AMFM stations XM By the way he's probably naked too Oh don't tell me that Most likely more views No one's gonna care Crap I'm number one Oh I love this media Period Globally even Rolling Stone New York Magazine all the gun actuaries I'm number one He's number one Period Yeah By the way he's here's one thing he's missing It's a shirt He's going to address that later He's He's crazy I've known Alex for a long time I did a DVD in 1999 and he and I put on uh Bush masks I was uh Bush Jr and he was Bush Senior and we put on these masks We ran around the uh Austin State Capital like the front yard like and filmed it when Bush got elected The the title of the DVD was Belly of the
Beast So I like it was right when Bush was getting elected We decided to do this in Austin and he him and me are in this uh this video and he's singing a song He sings this like crazy new world order song that he wrote Oh that's that's not us That's a different one The the other one we were actually wearing these masks Mhm But uh I've known him forever He's a really good guy I don't I don't I don't you know deny that I'm sure he is a good guy I don't tell me the truth Is Is he like playing a role when he's on camera because I don't believe that he's really that crazy Like some of the stuff he says I just don't believe he believes I I do not know I would not pretend to know I think he's a very complex man I think there's a lot going on beneath the surface There's a lot of layers to that cake And I think that a lot of people look at him they think he's a screaming maniac but he was right about a lot of [ __ ] a long time ago He was saying that the NSA is going to be reading all your emails and and looking through all he said they're they're going to make deals with major data networks with AT&T and Google He was saying this a long time ago and I specifically remember having conversations with a friend and him and my friend was like that is so crazy Why would they do that They're not going to do that Do you do you really think that the law would ever let them do that The law the law they own the law and he'll he'll get [ __ ] crazy and he'll go Alex Jonesy on you But you know here's the thing That strategy or that delivery is effective um because there have been people who have been reporting about you know civil liberties violations for a while and they get no attention So sometimes the squeaky wheel will get the attention and you know if if that's what he needs to do to get coverage of those important news stories it's totally fine The thing is you know there there are little sprinkles of truth to some of the stuff that he reports and then some of the stuff that he reports is just crazy and it's made up you know So it's like I I don't know where to fall with that guy because I want to support him with some stories but then other stories I'm like dude you need to tone it down Well I don't know what the process is for acquiring information vetting it out and
then publishing it and yelling at the YouTube channel I don't know what it is what the process is but I know that he's right about a lot of things and I know that he's passionate about a lot of things but I I think that he probably needs a better filter Yeah You know I think there's a few rants he'll go on where you're like "Wait a minute Wait a minute What the [ __ ] are they doing?" Yeah Chemtrails Do you understand how many planes are in the sky every night spraying chemtrails blocking out the sun I can't even [ __ ] grow tomatoes here in Austin Texas No no no Your impression of him is amazing I've been hanging out with him [ __ ] more than a decade That's uncanny That's insane But he um he'll go off about something and then you you'll go "But did you know that this and that and that you like you you'll have counters to those but those don't get in there." Yeah Those don't get in there They they get New World ordered out They get black holicoptered out They just ricochet off He wants to see a conspiracy in every [ __ ] thing that's ever existed ever If you come up to him about whatever it is name it JFK the Iran Contra Whitewater death of Vince Foster there's a there's a million stories They never end He'll just [ __ ] come at you But he's been right about a lot of stuff that's really freaky One thing that he reported on that very few people caught was the use of paid police officers to pretend to be people that are in a crowd protesting and then agent provocators and they would start smashing things He covered this in Seattle when the World Trade Organization was making their I believe it was the '90s when they were there was these massive protests and the protests went violent Well he he has all these photos of like the their bottom of their boots militaryissue vibrams and he like points all this like these are police officers They're wearing masks No one else is and they're the only ones doing any damage They're smashing things and they're doing it so then the police can come in and start arresting peaceful people which they normally couldn't do And I thought that was the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life The crazy thing is you know when it came to the Occupy protesters they weren't even agent provocators They were just cops like breaking [ __ ] and starting the
violence And you know they got a little bit of criticism for it but the media would pick up the story and make it seem as though the Occupy protesters were the violent ones They would do everything necessary to discredit them which made me so angry because finally in this country there was a little bit of political activism They changed the conversation because we were talking about [ __ ] until Occupy came along and talked about we wealth inequality Um and then you know you have the mainstream that totally discredited them and then they just kind of fizzled out And I had so much hope for that movement I really You know what [ __ ] that movement Them not being organized and soap Was soap Soap They didn't get enough soap Oh I see what you're saying There's too many stinky [ __ ] out there in drum circles I covered that was a big part of it I co I covered Occupy LA and Occupy Oakland Occupy Oakland was a scary um situation to cover because there they were a lot more militant there I mean their intentions were in the right place but their delivery was a little scary So I just kind of felt like [ __ ] could hit the fan Yeah Like one wrong move and violence could break out Uh but but they they it was because they were overly protective They knew what was happening to other protesters You know look at what happened at UC uh Davis I think you know with that cop spraying that pepper spray on those students that are just sitting there Um so I think that they were just overly protective as they should have been because of the treatment that all these protesters were dealing with and the treatment throughout history I mean all they have to do is go back and to look at what was going on during the Vietnam War Look at what happened at Kent State when they started shoot the armed the National Guard is shooting at students that were protesting I mean that that's not that long ago People are aware of that kind of stuff But when I saw this Alex Jones thing I really thought it was the dumbest thing I'd ever seen And I was like there's no way that could ever be possible There's no way C And then he presents it like very clearly very cleanly over and over again All the different news stories that pointed to different various u incidents that took place including them sequest
they they got all of the agent provocators in a house The cops negotiated with them and then let them go I mean the whole thing was like so cut and dry and clear when you have evidence backing up you know your belief that something is a conspiracy then of course I I mean you have strong evidence and I'll believe it Um but it's one thing to have the evidence It's another thing to purport that something is going on and then not having the evidence to Well that's why I said I think he needs a filter Mhm I think he's got a lot of his heart and his intentions are in the right place and the dude will go to war Like he'll [ __ ] roll his sleeves up and duke it out in the street with somebody He's [ __ ] crazy Alex is nuts Yeah he's a mad man but he's also a good guy Like I I just think that he needs a filter you know I But he's right more than he's wrong I'll tell you that Especially now This is Alex and me And uh that's that's Alex on the the the left and me on the right And this is his song Oh my god This that's Alex singing That's That's great That's my buddy He sounds There he is He sounds like a fun person to hang out with Yeah he's very fun to hang out with He's great to drink beers with Yeah I can imagine He's a good dude He's funny He says a lot of really funny [ __ ] He's He's a good guy too He's a sweetheart He really is So did he ever talk to you about why he got on us about like views No I don't ask him any questions about things like that He's been in some disputes with friends of mine and he's been disputes with all kinds of people Go that's just Alex man You're going to have to deal with that on your own That is really funny Yeah But he's like I say he's a good guy He's just He wants a better America He really does He's not a greedy guy He's not a guy who's in it for the money He's not He'll give you the shirt off his back Yeah Clearly I've already sent it Send it using stamps.com He uh he really is like the real deal Like he really wants a better America He really wants to get out all the corruption the scum but he believes that the global elites are trying to live to be a thousand years old What they're doing right now with stem cells the reason why the Bush administration and he'll just like
How did you meet him How did that happen Uh I met him uh in Texas through a friend of mine friends with him Knew him from uh his radio day Well he still has a radio show but now it's more internet based but he had a a radio show I think his radio show is still pretty popular though And like those dudes that have those [ __ ] those ham radios Yeah they tune in They tune in to Alex Jones They [ __ ] just thinking that that's this is that thinking that the only problem with that is just that thinking that goes along with that which is like collect gold like dig a hole in the ground for a nuclear shelter like preppers and people start putting battering rams in their pickup trucks Crazy I don't think that's the way to do it you know I don't I don't want to live my life like that where you're constantly paranoid and you're worried about doomsday there Look there's some really scary [ __ ] happening in in the government right now and I I will not take take away from that But I I don't believe in the doomsday preppers Like they need to calm down Their paranoia is misplaced unless something happens like what happened two days ago in the Philippines Yeah that's that's the real issue Yeah mother nature Mother nature is the issue And we keep [ __ ] with her So yeah Allegedly Allegedly that because you know not enough scientists agree on you know There's plenty of science excuse me There's plenty of scientists that disagree Mhm They al all happen to be working for oil companies gas companies those motheruckers I mean the Koch brothers will fund scientists to put out studies that claim that either climate change does not exist This is just a normal trend that we were experiencing with our planet or that it exists but it's not you know created by humans Well they went way back to the 1950s They were doing that with cigarettes when when people were trying to come out saying "Hey I think these things are giving us cancer." They [ __ ] funded a shitload of studies They were like "No look it's actually good for you." Yeah They can find certain things Uh we were talking about on the podcast yesterday where nicotine actually can be a medicine in certain circumstances I think it can help people with heart issues and ADHD issues and all these different things So like you
could find a way to rationalize if you were a real piece of [ __ ] that like you should probably smoke cigarettes Yeah You won't get ADHD Yeah I mean it's just like another example of money influencing you know the behavior of Americans and and the information that gets put out there Yeah I I when we were talking earlier about being addicted to items and being addicted to things and how you wanted to get a bigger apartment even though you don't need I'm guilty as charged too but I I um think about it all the time and what I'm starting to believe is that human beings like the reason why we we like to think of ourselves as being something that we're much more in control of than just the woes of nature But I kind of think that more more likely than that everything is natural And even though we break down like ant behavior as being natural and wolf behavior as being natural but humans well you know we have free will and we have education and we have maybe but when I look at like the trend like where it is right now let's I I don't know how it got here but let's pretend it's all nature What is it doing Well what it's doing is it's making things It's making crazier and crazier things every day The whole race is working together And one of the ways it ensures that people consistently technologically innovate is by making it attractive to have the newest latest [ __ ] And everybody wants it and like "Oo that new Lexus Look at that commercial Oh my god I got to have it." And it's a [ __ ] new laptop and it's a new phone and it's a new earpiece I mean it's also it's also a status thing It's a status symbol to have the latest and greatest No doubt We recently covered this story about Barney I don't know if you talked about it at all on your show but there was this um young black man who went into a Barney He purchased a $350 belt with a debit card and um allegedly uh the cashier called the authorities on him because she didn't believe that a black guy can afford this $350 belt So the cops came they started questioning him Uh they said "We know we need proof indicating that that's your debit card." He had to call Chase and prove like "Yes that is his debit card." You know they like detained him for a little while and then finally they let him go So he's suing Barney's now for racial profiling
So we'll see how that case plays out But you know aside from the racial profiling component of that story I was just shocked that I think he's 19 that a 19-year-old would save up multiple paychecks by the way to to buy a $350 belt And it's like it goes against everything I believe I hate that kind of materialism And I'm not he's a victim here so I'm not trying to criticize him It's more of a societal thing where we all want to show off our new shiny handbag And it's [ __ ] [ __ ] I hate when women fall for that crap when they work multiple months just to afford like a $2,500 handbag And it's like who are you trying to prove Like what are you trying to prove And who are you trying to prove it to You're trying to show off to other women right Which by the way if you're like a real woman I think that you shouldn't get jealous by that kind of crap you know And if you're a real woman well you said it like a real man Very very masculine Like no I have I have this as I get older I mean I'm I'm getting obsessed with a person's character and I'm I'm I care less and less about the [ __ ] that doesn't matter So when I was younger you know I got brainwashed into thinking hey you know what um you need to make sure that you marry a guy who's like really established in his career because you want to make sure he can take care of you [ __ ] that I want to take care of myself Like I don't need a guy to take care of me And that's not to say that I I I don't want a man in my life I definitely do I want a partner in my life and I want it to be like a real partnership where we help each other out But at the same time like this obsession with materialism makes me sick to my stomach It's distracting and it makes people feel that if they can't afford certain things then they're not good enough that they're not worthy If they don't have the money to shop at Barney then they're less than Well I I definitely think you're right from a sociological aspect I feel like the the the whole desire is is fruitless and silly and weird and it exists more with people that can't have it and want it very badly But there's a lot of people that are rich that just go shopping every day and but it's just the hole never gets filled Yeah It's always it's never like the big rush that you get At
least if you're poor and you buy a $2,000 watch you're like "Holy shit." and you're looking at I can't believe I got it Woo But if you're really wealthy if you're some billionaire character it's nothing to you It's nothing It doesn't even register It's like this dull thumping on your helmet cuz it never really gets to skin I just I don't like making people feel like they're worthless because they can't afford certain Isn't that them I mean who makes you them feel like that Is it Isn't it on them And whatever Pop culture I mean look listen to pop culture Listen to all the rap songs and all the Oh you know I got my new Cadillac or whatever Really Like you're hilarious Whatever I don't think they brag about that It's good car Don't get me wrong Whatever Whatever I got my Mayback Right Right They rap about that [ __ ] Who cares about your Mayback You know like I don't know why people are so obsessed with that And then these young kids think "Oh my god I got to work really hard for that Mayback." Which is why so many people get involved in the financial sector and they sell their souls because they just want to be rich And we need people who want to be teachers you know albeit most of them get screwed over with really really crappy salaries and we should definitely pay our teachers better but people don't gravitate toward jobs that actually help the community because they're so obsessed with making money And I hate seeing our brightest students go toward the financial sector instead of you know focusing on jobs that do help the community whether it's you know in in fields that lead to technological innovation or to medical innovation And of course doctors make a lot of money but you know a lot of scientists that do some serious research that really benefit society don't make a lot of money It's true And so I I I just hate the incentive structure that we have these days and this emphasis on always having the the newest most expensive item available Yeah it's definitely ridiculous But as a person trying make an attempt to look at it objectively If I was like an alien species coming down to observe Earth I would say they're in a mad scramble to create the next technological marvel They're in a mad scramble to create the the new internet the next thing and
they're going to go from that to the next thing They're transforming themselves They're essentially it's a long-term cocoon that turns a caterpillar into a butterfly It's just taking a few hundred years But technologically there's some sort of a symbiotic relationship that we have with with technology and that's fueled by materialism This materialism drive it ensures that people consistently buy the newest things innovate and constantly trying to impress with the latest I just sociologically I agree with you 100% But I think that there's there's probably something more going on that we're just not aware of cuz we're like trapped in the middle of the hurricane of it all Yeah I think you make a really good point about you know uh gadgets and technology I guess what I'm more focused on is just like the designer [ __ ] that people buy into That kind of stuff really frustrates me I just think it's a sideshoot of the same issue the the money thing too Like think about that Like the the this desire to pursue massive amounts of money and change What is that all really doing I mean if it's all just a pool of money and everybody's trying to you know keep it moving and keep it active what does it really do Well it buys things And if it's buying things someone's making things Someone's making things they're going to keep improving those things because everybody wants the newest thing It's basically the same engine this innovation engine that's like pushing forward And we're all trapped up in it in like is calling it culture and calling it all these other different things But what what it really is is a mad scramble to make new technology So what's your what's your guilty pleasure Like what do you like to splurge on even though you might feel like really Yeah Does that get expensive Yeah they get expensive What Yeah Yeah Well I I I'm there's an art form to making pool cues believe it or not And um I play a lot of pool Okay And uh I used to play I was obsessed I used to play 8 10 hours a day when I lived in New York I was it was to the point Yeah when my manager was telling me that it was it was affecting my career It was because I was paying more attention to playing pool than I was to comedy Yeah I was I was completely obsessed Um but there's not that many pool Q
manufacturers makers but the the artisans the real handmade ones like there's a guy named Zambodi Barry Zambod who's like world famous His dad was Gus Zambod He's like one of the original pool Q makers Like that name has like a lot of weight to it And these cues are like this artistic functional art that you could play pool with but they're also like really beautiful I'm fascinated by them Mhm My friend create my friend Eric has a company called Sugar Tree and he makes these beautiful cues all based on woods that are like really exotic and strange burls and and weird like figure in the wood and he's just obsessed with wood and because like you could like you you when you buy one of his cues you play with him you could like literally see the passion that it took that this guy made This guy who's obsessed with wood you know he's obsessed with different grains and tonal qualities and aging them And it's this real artistic expression and it just it's a functional piece of art I'm obsessed with them So yeah I mean I there's nothing wrong with that That's very like obscure and like I like I've never heard anyone talk about pool cues like that Yeah that's my I have a big cabinet full of them That's my guilty pleasure Nice Nice I just love to play pool Nice It's a stupid thing to do It doesn't matter whether the ball goes in the hole But it does matter Everything matters If that's what you find pleasurable and you know it helps you blow off steam or whatever go for it There's nothing wrong with that I think there's a a microcosm to life in it I think there's a thing about pool See these are these are uh handcrafted pool cues So how much do these cost Am I allowed to ask you Yeah they some of them can cost several thousand dollar Wow Those ones you're looking at those are probably two or three thousand at least That's really pretty Yeah And they get real intricate And there's different ways they splice them together Like you see those things at at the end like those are those little things inside of them are little inlays And as you get further out those are different pieces of wood that are spliced in together cut and glued in place and then spun on a lathe And they're you know exotic woods like that's ebony And you could see all these different uh inlays Some of them
were probably made out of uh ivory and silver and all these different they used to it used to be legal to buy ivory to uh to make pool cues with and they used to make the balls out of ivory and then people realize what a piece of [ __ ] you have to be to kill an elephant So they cut that off But there's so much ivory left over It's really kind of sad There's so much left over from when they were just slaughtering elephants before they started regulating it that you can get ivory to make inlays and stuff in pool cues It's everywhere So it becomes like a real issue like a moral issue You have to think like wow is that kind of [ __ ] up But then it's like well what do you what are they going to do with the the animals like been dead since 1970 and they've had these tusks Are you just going to let them go to waste or is it better to like put them in a museum where people can look at them Like it's a it's kind of an interesting moral dilemma But my friend Eric uses he uses this fossilized mastadon bone that he got Yeah He uses like 10,000y old fossilized walrus ivory that uh came from you know like they they How does he even get his hands on that That's insane His sister's an archaeologist Wow Yeah that's fascinating Yeah I think it's his sister Um but yeah he's he's like really into that I mean he doesn't use like that many He doesn't use like that many inlays His is all just about the wood like the quality of the wood I like that I like that That's really interesting I never I I would have never guessed that they could get that expensive Oh they get really expensive The old ones there's a a man named Balabushka who lived in you know like the the 1960s and 1970s I think he made cues And in the movie The Color of Money Paul Newman gave Tom Cruz a balabushka And just by saying that name that those cues started being worth 25 $30,000 because there's a finite number of them There's a fact it's probably like the queue that has the most forgeries is like Zambod and Balabushka too A lot of fakes A lot of people like they you know they'll just knock it off and pretend it's one of them because you could sell it for 25,000 bucks Your um guilty pleasure is much better than mine Mine is just food Food Like like I don't I can't really think of um an object that I like to spend a lot of money on I just like to
spend a lot of money on like a good experience Like if I'm going to travel or if I'm going to eat at a nice restaurant I'm going to go all out you know and not feel bad about it Um but that's pretty much it That just sounds like life I know that's not a guilty pleasure I know I guess I I I'm trying to think I'm I'm a huge bargain shopper Um I don't really buy anything at full price I'm not really into that When you just said this interesting I um is this because of the way like you your responsibility that you feel for looking at the world and seeing how [ __ ] up things are that you feel bad spending a couple hundred bucks on a nice meal Is that like what it is that like it becomes guilty pleasure because you're like [ __ ] it I'm just going to do it But normally Yeah maybe Maybe I think that there's something subconsciously that makes me feel guilty about it but I can't really put my finger on it I think it's because I know how hard I work and you know seeing all that money go toward one experience or one meal makes me feel a little bad But I actually the what I like to do is if I'm going to go out and I'm going to spend some serious money I make sure that I take people with me and I spend the money on them as well because then I feel like I'm doing something good for my friends And I read this study about how um the happiest people will actually spend money on others And it's totally true You feel really good when you take care of other people Um so you know I usually do that That's that's not my guilty pleasure That's the one thing that I will splurge on and I won't feel guilty about it I'll feel really good about it And then I hope you know one day when when my friends are in the mood like they'll take me out and they'll do the same Hopefully one day You're waiting right You're waiting I mean my friends I love my friends I I'm in a really as someone in my age group I'm in a really great place financially because I lived at home for a long time I saved money I was with someone that I was going to buy a house with Um that didn't work out So now I just have money that I'm not going to put toward a house and I can do other things with it So I like to treat my friends to things once in a while You don't have to justify it Yeah But it seems like a part of you because you're
such a conscious and aware person realizes that you're in this rare circumstance Yeah So it it feels like a guilty pleasure I feel I don't know if it's guilt but I feel bad about a lot of things because you have white guilt No I don't have white guilt is something I don't have Especially because and by the way I love that accusation that we get from our audience time to time all the [ __ ] time And it's so funny because like I'm Armenian Like both my both my parents came from Armenia So they they didn't have like my ancestors didn't have slaves Like they Are you trying to tell me you're not white I'm white but I'm not like I'm not American You know what I I am American Okay this is not sounding good But but like to say to say that I have white guilt would imply that I have ancestry that did hideous things to black people which is why I now want to raise awareness about issues of racism Um and that's not true I I want to raise awareness about that is because I want genuine equality You know you see cases where racial profiling does exist No doubt And you want to you want to raise awareness about that because you want society to progress You don't want to pretend as though these societal ills don't exist They do exist but at the same time you don't want to demonize people either You don't want to make blanket statements about all white people That's insane Yeah I've heard some pretty ridiculous blanket statements Um but what's what's really important is that the the the idea of racism should be eventually it should it shouldn't exist anymore If one day it should come a time where that has been ironed out of the human culture where we've beaten it down It seems like if you go back to a few thousand years ago when they were burning people at the stake for various beliefs we've managed to get past that We've managed to get past killing neighbors you know the rival countries that were like a block away from each other in Europe We we managed to get past all that I wonder if one day we're going to get to a point where we don't give a [ __ ] what anybody's racist I wonder if there's going to be some economic evenness where it'll eventually all smooth out where it won't matter I I wonder the same thing I'm not as optimistic about it though to be honest I'm pretty optimistic You are
Yeah It didn't used to be but as time's gone on um the internet is what makes me optimistic Mhm When I see like justice and and the voice of the internet it's it seems to be a very ethical moral voice What do you think about you know some of the vigilante justice that you see online like in the case of the uh the Stubenville rape case and how anonymous you know kind of rallied behind that victim I thought that was really inspiring Even it's important It's huge That that that stuff has to happen That's it has to happen And you can't let people do that because that could be your daughter that could be your friend that could be your mom that could be anybody You can't let that happen And they can't let that [ __ ] happen either That the fact that they let that happen you got to clean that whole place out That's a disaster Anybody who's involved in that what did you do What the [ __ ] did you do You You just opened the door for this kind of [ __ ] to be swept under the rug by future generations who find out about this as well This is like when when there's a gross injustice and it's and and it doesn't get rectified there's there's this weird thing that happens where it can spawn more gross injustice Yeah I mean it sets a precedent And if one person can get away with doing that type of you know act or behaving in a certain way then other people will think like well I can do that I can get away with that And you know in the case of the Stubenville rape tri uh case I I I was actually really shocked at how many people bullied the girl after she was raped And you see more and more stories like that popping up all over the place I think it's a human nature issue with a lot of young kids that have not been not only not have not been raised correctly but I think there's a lot of people that are just letting their kids raise themselves and they're not even having conversations with them and they're growing up with like animal instincts and animal instincts are to go after injured animals There's a weird thing It's scary stuff It's a terrifying thing especially when the injured animal is claiming that the alpha the social alphas have have done this thing to them you know and then the social alphas are saying they didn't do it And then there's this weird sort of uh an
appeasement thing going on where people are trying to gain the favor of the alphas by [ __ ] on the victim It's terrifying stuff It's the worst aspects of humankind is this weird thing that we can have when we gang up you know and and the parents of the victim I give them all the credit in the world because I'm going to be completely honest If I were in that position I don't know if I would be able to prevent myself from doing something that would that would lead me to getting prosecuted and thrown in jail Yeah It's um something happens to men that that get together and of a bunch of idiot men get together They think that that that's something that they can do and it's a and in the case of Stubenville they're boys They're teenagers and they think they can get away with it Well it's just men period I mean young men old men There's a there's there's a man thing that can happen if there's too many dummies and they get together and they start thinking that they they're making sense or that they could should just [ __ ] [ __ ] do this That's where like gang murders take place and gang beatings and you know I'm I'm sure there's a similar sort of group mentality that happens with women but it doesn't seem to turn into as much of a victimization thing It can happen I've heard of like groups of women beating up other women I've heard I've heard of that You know if a girl like [ __ ] some girl's husband or something like that and she get her friends and they all beat the [ __ ] out of the girl I've heard of that kind of stuff happening Scary scary stuff I've heard of uh stories of women raping men like that Uh Terrible Um we were talking about this on the podcast yesterday The problem with male rights organizations Oh you guys must have gotten some serious hate for that No no no Because I My point is always that Yeah I mean there's a lot of dudes get [ __ ] over when it comes to divorce laws A lot of the problem is when male rights advocates get disingenuous Like they you were talking about rape issues They were saying the number one group that gets raped in this country is men in prison But the problem with that is of course that men are raping those men It's just it's more proof that men are [ __ ] Men are raping men It's it's just a stupid argument It doesn't that's the worst thing you
should ever say Yeah You know just you're just saying that we're just rapers We're just We rape each other We don't give a [ __ ] We'll rape anybody I mean that doesn't mean that men are victims If men are victims from men how does that support the the point that that's the real That's a really good point That's a really good point Well it's a dumb point that they It's a disingenuous thing that they're saying Like guys aren't really wandering around life worried about getting raped They worry about it if they get imprisoned I just worry that you know the men's rights movement is a response to like radical feminism And I have a lot of issues with radical feminism because when you pretend as though women are always the ones that get screwed over and men don't deal with certain double standards and certain issues then you're being disingenuous you know you're doing a disservice to your own movement I mean there are some serious issues with um the way women are perceived in media for instance You know the way I'm perceived in the media is very different from how Jenk is perceived in the media very different from how you're perceived in the media You know the comments that you will get usually um will question the legitimacy or accuracy of something that you've said The comments that I get don't necessarily criticize the legitimacy of what I'm saying Of course I get comments like that as well But how often do you get comments about like oh you know I want I want Anna to sit on my face or I want Joe to sit on my face I get that I get that from dudes sometimes Once a month I stand corrected then Once a month Some gay bear wants me to stick it in their mouth or something Oh wow Okay that happens Does happen you know but it's not as much though I'm sure I wouldn't even pretend I think that it's much more courageous I don't want to sound like I'm kissing your ass but it's much more courageous for a woman to do what you do than a man to do what you do For a man to do what you do is like men with opinions are like as common as like birds that [ __ ] on cars It's they're everywhere This is every everywhere you look a man has an opinion But women with an opinion that go public and like have this like very strong stance they take on things and expect to be taken seriously It's like like female stand-up
comedians because female stand up comedians they're so limited in topics because men don't want to hear you talk about politics Men don't want to hear women talk about certain things You know there like anything where you're telling people how to live their lives men don't want to hear that from women It's just a giant group of men just shut you off much harder I think that you know younger generations are becoming way more open to that like we have a really young audience and for the most part I think that they're open to me talking about politics Um like I said I I don't get to do that as often as I would like on the show because that's not my role on the show But there is um a huge chunk of our audience that's very open-minded toward that However there's also a chunk of the audience and I'm just going based on what I've read on YouTube So there's a huge silence silent part of our audience that I never get to hear from Um but there is also a portion that just immediately sees me and thinks "Oh she's a young um whatever relatively good-looking." And so they immediately see a correlation there with moronic behavior like "Oh she's attractive She must be really Well you've had a free ride." That's what they think Oh yeah Oh yeah Willy Wonka's golden ticket You're pretty Yeah Yeah Yeah So um I'll get comments you know asking you know what kind of sexual favors I gave my male colleagues to get to the position that I'm in How rude And it's and it's so degrading because obviously none of that has ever happened But it's to belittle the hard work that I've put into my career really really grinds my guts Okay But what you're doing right now is you're feeding the trolls I'm feeding the [ __ ] trolls right now You just fed the [ __ ] out of the trolls I know they love you at a Thanksgiving troll dinner cuz you brought in True all the the the comments of you having sex with your boss in order to get your job Everything You said it all And how offended you were of that They win They just rang a troll bell I know I know But to be to be absolutely honest um I completely stopped a reading comment So they can go ahead and write them as much as they want I'm not going to read that You just [ __ ] up right there sister You just opened up the do the gates of hell Do your thing boys Do your thing
Don't do it Be kind boys and girls Everyone be kind Yeah there's a real problem with writing things down online and not having any social cues Not like looking at you and say you know Anna um I watched your thing on science and you know and I just want you to know that your grasp of physics is a bit off and this and you would go "Oh I I'm you know what I don't know [ __ ] about science." And then you'd laugh Haha You'd both laugh together and that would be it Meanwhile that same guy on YouTube is a [ __ ] dumb [ __ ] doesn't know [ __ ] about science cuz he isn't in front of you He's not talking to you He doesn't think of you as a human It goes back to the whole anonymity thing The thing that I actually worry about the most isn't even you know how my feelings are going to get hurt because who cares Like I'm I'm a public figure I need to have thicker skin and it shouldn't bother me I worry about like if I if I meet someone I'm interested in and I'm dating him and then all of a sudden he decides first of all if I meet someone I'm interested in and I tell him what I do he's going to Google me Like that's the world we live in at this point right He's going to Google me and he's going to read the some like the hideous [ __ ] that people say about me and then is that going to influence his opinion of me Like I worry about that kind of stuff more than That's hilarious Do you really I do I mean there I mean that would be the last thing that I would worry about That's the very last thing that I would worry about is meeting someone and having them being influenced by a Google search That's literally the last thing that I would worry about I've been on the show since I was 20 And you want to know how many stupid things I've said on that show since I was 20 Many Well that's normal It is normal Anybody that pretends it's not like you again you're just weeding out [ __ ] Any that anybody that pretends it's not normal to say something stupid when you're 20 and you're on a show that permanently records it My god if I ever got permanently recorded when I was 20 oh I'd be in jail for hate crimes just for my words I was a [ __ ] person when I was 20 I was too I think most people are fools when they're 20 Of course you're basically a child Definitely You know definitely There's no way that you
should be held accountable responsible Anybody should ever stick it in your face Things that you did when you were you know much younger Yeah I agree I agree But it'll happen I'm sure But you're just going to weed out a dummy that you want in your life anyway You're right That's a good way of looking at it It's the best way of looking at it You know who you are If that guy can't figure that out [ __ ] him Yeah Yeah Look at me Yeah I'm like the new Oprah for women I'm already the Oprah for men Giving out advice teaching people how to [ __ ] their relationships up royally Oh god Do what you got to do Yeah Yeah It's got to be hard being a chick trying to trying to meet a dude out there in the wonderful world of uh and also being like a public figure Yeah that's what I'm saying It is Um but whatever I think you're right You know you do weed out the [ __ ] and you just you can't take yourself too seriously Well you can't date a regular dude either You got a real problem What do you mean Yeah You're you're a little on the smart side Let's be honest A little on the little on the educated a little on the articulate side That's a little intimidating for guys And we're like you know what I'm not going to get shut down by this one I'm just going to pass I'm not even going to try Do you get a lot of that where guys are even trying it No No Well really H I don't I think a lot of dudes probably go "You know what This is never going to happen [ __ ] really And then they just stop talking to you as a result of that Dudes would get intimidated but that's good too right Then you you weed out [ __ ] Does it suck You want those [ __ ] I don't I don't want those [ __ ] I just I don't want those [ __ ] to exist Like you have nothing to be shy or intimidated about Like whatever Every every person can teach you something new right But every person that you date Yeah they could teach you how how you can get stalked now No but I will say that um when you said you can't date a regular person I thought like you have to date another public figure which I'm not interested in That's not what I meant to be a bad [ __ ] You got to date some dude who's really smart Definitely I'm definitely turned on by too much work intelligence Chicks like you are
too much work Just kidding I'm kidding Totally kidding That's just a rude thing to say Super laidback and you know lowmaintenance I actually am I'm not that bad I wouldn't think you were high maintenance But I would think that a woman who's a public in all bolt in all seriousness that I would think that a woman who's a public figure a woman who's very articulate and intelligent and and it makes a living off of her opinions that's intimidated for a lot of dudesh especially people that are not good at expressing themselves Like that's one of what is the big thing with relationships It's a the weird sort of uh expression dance that you do with each other You know how does how does she express when she's angry How do you express when you're angry Who does it kindly Who does it who's passive aggressive Who Who's intelligent when it comes to arguments Dude doesn't want to have an argument with you That's [ __ ] rough action You argue on the internet I haven't had an argument with a guy in a while Exactly They're scared Bunch of [ __ ] No I wouldn't say that I I haven't put myself out there that much to be honest with you so I don't have too much experience with that Um I was in a really long-term relationship and then now I've just started dating Um that's where the 70s music comes in Now I started dating brown chick and then the dude at home hears this and goes No don't say that Trust me he's crying No he's not Yes he is No he's he's a good guy He's crying on the inside Trust me we all do Me included We all cry on the inside Uhhuh Okay Go have fun Done I'm done with this relationship Okay Okay The funny thing is I'm 100% certain who's going to listen to this I'm sorry dude We're just [ __ ] around man I know I know Just [ __ ] around Um but I will say like I I live in like the gayest area of Los Angeles which means it's like impossible to meet guys near me Um and and you're right like I I don't know what to I love that we're playing porn music right now Yeah Um that's Jamie Yeah I don't know I'm just having fun So you're having a problem in your neighborhood meeting guys Yeah Well I I live in a gay neighborhood Do you ever meet guys who pretend they're not gay I'm like "Yeah I'm just trying to pick up chicks." Yes I have But
meanwhile they're really gay and they just don't want to grab it Okay so my best friend and I talk about this all the time Um I've been on a few dates with guys that I'm 100% certain are gay Um and and it's like why why are you trying to ruin my life right now Like what do you think is going to happen Like you think I'm not going to figure it out and I'm going to end up like dating you long term and then you're going to destroy my life No You're gay I can totally tell How can you tell You can just tell by the things And I'm not look I'm not trying to push stereotypes but when you're with a straight guy you just know like there's certain body language that indicates or implies that he's like aroused or he's into you You know what I mean Like physically into you When you're like if if I was a douchebag guy the way the douchebag guy translation of that is if you meet a girl and she's not turned on by you she's a [ __ ] lesbian No I know Because you're saying that if he's not aroused by you he's got to be gay No that's not the only way That is what it sounds like That is what it sounds like That's not what I mean at all It's just it's hard to explain unless you're sitting there at on that date with me Is it like when you talk to a black guy on the phone and even if he's super educated you still know he's black You're terrible That's real That's some real [ __ ] I have talked to a lot of black guys on the phone where they were very articulate very intelligent very educated but I knew they were black Uh-huh That's not a bad thing It's not bad to be black It's nothing wrong I don't know what that means Like you do How dare you How dare you [ __ ] me on a national internet program such as this You know I know And everybody listens to this including black people that might pretend to be offended You know what the [ __ ] I'm saying Listen to me There's zero wrong with being black Absolutely nothing I am the least racist person you will ever meet I hope I have zero racism in me So I don't think it's possible to get any less racist However I am a person that likes to look at reality I think it's interesting to find what people do and don't get offended at And telling someone they sound black is not a bad thing but people sound black Women and men I have talked to them on the
phone and had wonderful elaborate conversations that I truly enjoyed but I knew I was talking to a black person But why Because of their voice No they're they're the way they express themselves the way their their language is used the way they the the the the tonal quality the the the way they speak There's a certain way that black people speak that's slightly different White people can speak like black people I have been confused that way where I talked to a dude and he was a wigger and I thought I'm talking to a black guy and turned out that I was just talking to a white guy that really wishes he was black Super normal That happens a lot Nothing wrong with it That's happened with a Chinese guy That was a freak out Yeah I was talking to the dude on the phone and then I met him in person and I was like "Oh he's a Chinese dude." Oh the [ __ ] I thought I was talking to a black guy It was weird Yeah that is interesting Um going back to the whole gay thing because I I want to um kind of backpedal from what I said It was disastrous Um look I I'm in a unique position because of where I live and also I'm in Los Angeles which means a lot of people a lot of guys take a lot of pride in the way they look and they are almost proud of being overly feminine in some ways Like they they like the moisturizer and they like the fancy clothing and so then in that case they're they used to be called metrosexuals I don't know what the politically correct term is now Is that bad Is metrosexual bad I have no idea These terms are always changing man Like sometimes you think that it's a totally PC term and all of a sudden someone will like send you an angry email like how dare you refer to us as metrosexuals But you know so I could be absolutely wrong And by the way I have been known at work for having terrible gayar So maybe I am wrong Yeah But but there's just it's freaking tough out there I don't know Listen I I see what's going on I'll spell it out for you You're a hot chick If dudes don't move you say they got to be gay No that's not what I'm saying That's not what I'm saying Super simple I you're probably correct too And I'm not a super hot chick so this stop How dare you But that does happen Um there is a lot of gay dudes who try to pretend to be straight I think for society or for what have you
they they just keep it together as long as they can and then the [ __ ] wheels fly off Y and there was a guy that I used to work out with uh at this this guy used to work out at this gym and he would talk about girls and the way the best way I could describe it is if I was speaking to you if you were French and I was saying the correct words but I had no idea what the [ __ ] they meant If I'm like but obviously I don't know what the [ __ ] I'm saying It's just off you know Yes It reminds me of the 40-year-old virgin and um how he was describing having sex Do you remember that scene I didn't see that movie It was so funny He was like he was like "Oh yeah I remember when I like touched her breasts and they they felt like they felt like sandbags." And it was just so obvious that he had never had sex before Sandbags The the guy that I was talking to just started talking about this interaction that he had with a woman in a nightclub And now this girl just came up to him and just started kissing him and making out with him And it was like the way he was saying it was like the worst like fake storytelling you could imagine It was he was like he was doing a sketch but he was a beautiful man like beautiful like big tall perfect bone structure just handsome And he had this girlfriend that just always had this perplexed look at her face like just just looked like like an explosion just went off like 30 seconds ago and she was trying to figure out what the [ __ ] happened Like that's how she would go everywhere cuz she was like he was like she was batting way over her head with him He was at 10 and she was probably in the six or seven range and she was a little on the overweight side It was there was a it was a clear mismatch and it was just a gay guy who had this girlfriend but he was gay I have um I can't believe I'm going to share this on the show My friends think it's so silly but I have something called the mediocre guy theory Um and the mediocre guy theory is do not date a guy who's overly attractive You're just asking for trouble because guys already have like this crazy confidence even if they're not very like they can't even if they're not the most attractive guy in the world Usually they're they're usually pretty confident Let me just point out first of all you're Armenian and Armenian dudes
are [ __ ] savages In what way They're the most aggressive guys on the planet Armenian dudes We have a lot of Armenian fighters in the UFC Uhhuh And they're [ __ ] animals I Yeah I don't date Armenian guys Savages Those dudes are men Those are wild men with hairy chests who will punch you in the face They're [ __ ] crazy Yeah Glendale Yes Yes Do you know how many people have asked me if you're from Glendel Yeah I've never lived in Glendel I've only been in Glendel like a few times I'm the most Americanized Armenian It would be nice to meet an Armenian guy who's as Americanized as I am but most of them are very traditional which means we're going to butt heads and I just don't I don't They're going to have to wear that gold chain that cross Yeah I don't play that game I don't play that game Wear the cross for Jesus Come on Um so your mediocre guy theory is yeah So don't don't go after a guy who's extremely attractive because he's going to get first of all he's going to be constantly told that he's attractive He's going to constantly get attention from other women I don't I don't want to play that game Like I just don't want to deal with that You know what I mean Wow That's interesting Yeah Like what you just said right now about the guy who's out of her league right Let's say best case scenario he's not gay and it's a straight couple or whatever He's gay Trust me Right But like you don't want to feel like the guy you're dating is prettier than you Wow It's like you really would ever worry about that Would you ever really ever think that a guy would be prettier than you A man is as as faithful as his opportunities Okay I That's a Chris Rock joke It's not a joke It's might have been his joke but it's actually true Yeah Yeah Like if a guy is really attractive and he's constantly getting like bombed on Yeah Like women throwing themselves at him then he's going to cheat on you There's no question So you're better off shooting for the middle Yeah Um well the middle looks wise So So you got a specific thing You got Looks are nice And by the way I'm I'm I'm just talking [ __ ] Like I've dated really hot guys before it like and whatever But but what matters to me most is like the chemistry And I'm talking about
intellectual chemistry uh physical chemistry Like there's got to be that connection If that doesn't exist then I don't give a [ __ ] how good you look Somehow another this has turned into the longest episode of the dating show ever I know Sorry about that No those shows were great They don't do those anymore We never have dating shows now because of stalking issues I think remember they used to have those the dating game and you know people would uh they would be wearing those weird suits with the [ __ ] bell bottoms and they tell what they would do Bachelor number one if I met you and I was on a beach looking for shells and you wanted to get my attention what would you say to me you know is that your clam that I just you know yeah those don't exist anymore No I don't think they can I think there's too many legal legal issues Yeah they were super cheesy anyway Do you uh do you find um that you meet guys like inside your community and like dating like other reporters or journalists or people in that world Um yeah I mean there have definitely been some people I've run into where I'm like "Oh my god you know he's super smart He's a good-looking guy Like we should probably go on a date or whatever." Except he's gay It No that's not the case I just I feel weird I feel weird dating someone that I work with or someone that I'm going to run into often with my career because I don't want to burn burn bridges It might end disastrously So I just don't want to do that And plus on top of that I'm I'm more interested in dating someone who has a completely different career than mine because I want to learn something from someone I'm dating We're very lucky Brian Redband's not here right now cuz he would be [ __ ] throwing himself at you Normal dude is here He'd be like "Man we're different We're right I'm comedian We're totally different Um do you worry at all that with the stuff that you're doing that there will be repercussions Do you ever think like when the Michael Hastings thing went down did you guys freak out a little bit Of course What did you think happened there For folks who don't know tell the story of what Michael Hastings did and then what happened to him Yeah so Michael Hastings was one of the few real journalists left in the US Um he
was one of the few journalists who actually gave a [ __ ] about holding politicians accountable for their actions And he was so driven He was one of the most driven people that I've ever met in my entire life He made me feel like [ __ ] about my career on a regular basis because he was so inspiring and so just hardworking and determined you know So he broke the story about General Stanley Mcristel Basically long story short Stanley Mcrist was saying some crazy [ __ ] about Obama basically criticizing him behind closed doors Um Michael Hastings wrote a Rolling Stone piece about it and uh the Obama administration forced Mcrist to resign So that was a really big story Michael Hastings won awards for it and you know that kind of put him on the map He wrote many great books and he he was just a great journalist But the most important thing to keep in mind is he was one of those people who was fearless when it came to holding the government accountable Okay And you don't see that often Then all of a sudden you know in June of 2013 he gets into this really mysterious car accident at 4 I believe 4:20 in the morning 4:30 in the morning around then and um he was speeding uh in this silver Mercedes and he crashed into a palm tree and the car exploded on impact and everyone was wondering whether or not this was something that was basically orchestrated by the government or if this was a real accident Now in terms of you know those rumors and the conspiracy theories I feel very irresponsible speculating one way or another I don't know what happened No one knows what happened All I do know is I worked closely with him at the Young Turks He was on our show often I co-hosted a few episodes with him and I remember sitting in the makeup chair getting ready to go on air when I found out that he had died in this car accident And it I've never felt the way I felt in that moment It was like a ton of bricks like had just fallen on me and I was just like tearing up and I couldn't believe it And so I wanted to do an investigation We don't have the resources to do an a full investigation into this but there were so many weird crazy aspects of it that didn't make sense Like his his engine being tossed so far away from his car the fact that the car exploded I contacted
Mercedes-Benz They refused to answer any questions And I asked them I'm like "Look don't comment on the Michael Hastings story Comment on what happens in your crash tests Is this typical of a crash?" And they would not answer any questions Um I tracked down the one witness that saw the entire accident from beginning to end Um he he was Mexican He only spoke Spanish And uh we got a translator and he told us exactly what he saw And he said that Michael Hastings was in fact speeding really really fast But that doesn't really answer any questions either because some people are wondering whether or not the government can manipulate his car to make it accelerate to the point where he gets into a crash I don't know Um I've I've read stories where it's possible but it's very very difficult to do So again I feel uncomfortable speculating but what I do know is his family including his brother um have said that he was increasingly paranoid leading up to the accident He was unstable His brother was really concerned that he was um you know abusing drugs which is why he flew to Los Angeles to help him out His brother I think was the last person to see him prior to the accident At least that's what he's alleging And I I again I don't know what happened but it did have severe ramifications for people who want to be investigative journalists because if that fear does exist if that is even a possibility it's going to deter you from doing real investigative journalism It's going to deter you from holding the government accountable because you know that the NSA is watching every [ __ ] move you know that if you're watching the wrong kind of porn or if you're doing something that's a little questionable uh according to societal morals or norms then the government can find that and they can leak that to the public and they can destroy your reputation Do you as a journalist want to take that risk to do what a journalist is supposed to do And I think a lot of people out there are unwilling to do it and I don't blame them It's scary to know that the government can come after you if they wanted to That's al also if this is what happened Yeah And I'm not And again I know I know I appreciate that you're doing that You know I think that's really important
because we really don't know what happened I I looked at it when it first happened I was pretty freaked out too cuz I was like "Wow." And you I thought about it for a minute and I'm like "This guy was going after generals you know I mean these are people who are professional killers They've been killing for the government for a long time They know how to do it really well They have friends They can pull favors And they can make some [ __ ] happen I mean it it is possible Did it happen It's also possible that the dude was doing drugs and he was going crazy from the the trauma of this whole thing about thinking constantly that the government's after you I mean that might be just enough to get you to [ __ ] kill yourself They might not have to do it They might have to just scare you and freak you out and get you to believe that they're watching every move you make and waiting for their time to lower the boom on you Yep And and that's that's basically what I'm referring to That paranoia alone is crippling It was crippling for Michael Hastings and it's crippling for people that I work with that want to do the type of journalism that he did And that's why I fear for people like Glenn Greenwald Glenn Greenwald is in my opinion a hero I look up to him so much Um he's the one who broke the Edward Snowden story He's the one who's you know revealing things that Americans should know about What frustrates me is a lot of Americans feel that someone like Edward Snowden is a traitor He's not a traitor He's telling you about how your civil liberties are being violated This is the kind of stuff that should make people want to stand up Instead of having a discussion about what we should do to stop the government from spying on us we're having ridiculous conversations about whether or not Edward Snowden can be considered a traitor or an American hero That is a stupid conversation Okay we know the information now We know what the government is doing The government is indiscriminately collecting our metadata and they are holding this information for a period of time and they can use it to intimidate you if you're a political activist or if you're a journalist That intimidation is what cripples our democratic process So I have a lot of problems with that and I I worry that
there aren't going to be many journalists left that will do what Michael Hastings was willing to do No doubt And it was a huge price this guy had to pay I mean he's living in Russia now hiding doing it work learning how to speak Russian Most likely if he lives he's going to be there for the rest of his life And what kind of crazy stress is he under You imagine He had a hot girlfriend and a cushy job in Hawaii He left all of that Yeah it was a pretty pretty bold move And the the information that's come out has really changed the way people look at the government and and how they're like how they're handling privacy how they're handling this idea of the war on terror and what what they're willing to do and not willing to do They're willing to violate everything I mean they're willing to go against the very principles of of privacy Like every principle of of the the idea that you're sending someone something you have a password you log in they have a password they log in you send them an email If someone doesn't get in there and breach it you're thinking that what's going on here is a completely private conversation But no no the government gets to look at it Not only that but some [ __ ] employee that they kept going on and on about how he never graduated high school Remember that Remember they were they were [ __ ] on him and trying to demean him by saying that he never graduated high school Then why did you give him access to our private information Why'd you hire him Like is that unbelievable best guy you could get A guy who didn't graduate high school That seems crazy And the worst part about it is I mean we have so many private contractors that have access to our private information It's fascinating Yeah it's it's a fascinating time And uh I think that we're moving closer and closer to some strange point in the future where the idea of privacy is a thing of the past It's not it's non-existent I think that's going to happen I don't I don't think you can avoid that I think that is without whether it's a decade from now or two or three or whatever it is I think there's going to come a point in time where the boundaries between people and information are no long they no longer exist I feel like we're going to get to a point where we will just be
desensitized to all private information So the what people worry about most is like let's say you're not a politician and you're just a political activist You might be worried that the government might use some information about you to intimidate you and cause you to not be politically active anymore So it could be something like nude pictures of yourself that you emailed or it could be the porn that you watch or whatever I feel like with the way things are going eventually we're going to get to a point where all all of our dirty laundry is just going to be out there and everyone's going to be like "Oh all right whatever." You know because you're going to be forced to There's going to be so much crap out there about everyone that you're just going to have to deal with it Well that's going to be the future right That's like if it's one generation from now or two generations whatever it is those people are going to have no privacy from birth to death I know I mean we're willingly we're willingly putting our crap out there as it is with social media Well it's again I think it's a trend I think it's just like the technology trend I think we're moving in a certain direction and we don't there's no way you're going to stop it It's not like a a cultural thing like like uh different types of marriages or different types of uh you know tribal tribal government It's not like that Like it's way bigger than that And it's it seems to have a momentum all of its own Yeah And the momentum of information is the ability to exchange it and share it gets quicker and easier constantly through time It does So you have you know you have two kids How do you plan on talking to them about social media Because I always wonder about that There are so many parents who like willingly put so much information about their babies online which I find fascinating You know what kind of conversation do you think you're going to have with your kids when it comes to oversharing online Because I think that's an important conversation to have It's definitely important to let them know that what they're doing can be seen by virtually every human being that exists It's it's that it's at that point If you put something on a Facebook page essentially I mean whe whether or not you get 14,000 hits or 14 billion it's
it's really the same thing You're anybody that gets to that spot can get there Mhm And you got to realize that like once you let it out there that's that's just this new weird connection where anyone can look at your pictures and if they're on Facebook they can comment and they can say weird [ __ ] and they can they can be leerous They can be strange That's the reality of the world we live in now You know I think you definitely especially for girls you definitely want to be very careful about what you share and what you don't share I mean how many times you go to someone's Twitter page they send you a tweet and you go "Let me just read their their tweets." Like sometimes people say something interesting and I'll go read their timeline Oh let's look at their pictures Oh there's her tits Like what It's amazing that not even a porn star girl just holding her tits out smiling Like I just don't I don't get it I don't know if that's like a societal pressure that they're caving into or if it's just stupidity Maybe they just really like dick and they just want it coming in on a daily basis It's a lot of shipments and the best way is just show them what you got I'm I don't know I deal with way too much like crap online to put myself out there like that There's no way in hell I would I talk about this a lot You know every time we do a story about some teenager who like sexed a picture of herself and then you know it got leaked online I'm like don't take naked pictures of yourself Just don't [ __ ] do it Don't do it under any circumstance I have a strict rule about that So or do it [ __ ] it What are you worried about Don't worry about that either Well I mean if you get comfortable with people like sharing your naked picture because you send a naked picture to a guy it's over He It is over He's going to show it to his friends and then he might put it online and he's going to destroy your life And the thing is we still live in that puritanical society where if that naked picture surfaces at work you could lose your job as a result of that That's ridiculous Did you hear about the guy who got lo lost his job because he was Mr tea for Halloween He was in Toronto He was Mr T And I was like "This country is going crazy." And people like "That's not even this country." I get it I know
I just It's an expression He Yeah He put on blackface so they fired him He was a teacher Uhhuh He was trying to be Mr T How could you be Mr T without blackface Like are you really saying this Is there something wrong with that He's wearing a [ __ ] outfit It's not like he's putting on a minstrel show and singing m and got like big fake lips and it's not that's not what he's doing I know But look Canada might be a little different but blackface has a really dark history especially in the United States You think if you play Mr Tace I don't I don't think you should fire I do think it's bad I don't think you should get fired I don't think Oh my god I don't think you should get fired Um but it's offensive It's offensive So I can It's offensive for a Halloween costume Yeah I think it is That's hilarious What if you wear red face and if you want to be an Indian Can you do that Is that offensive That's pretty offensive too Okay What about yellowface That's pretty offensive too Just Why can't you be Why can't you be Mr T without the black face People are going to get that you're Mr Mr That's [ __ ] ridiculous Okay What about Soul Man That movie where the guy wore blackface through the whole movie Remember that guy I don't even know that movie So I Oh how dare you It was an old movie Thomas Yeah See Thomas Howell Do you remember that guy Nope See he was before your time See Thomas Howell was one of those guys who's like this major league movie star Did a lot of big movies and then just stopped doing them He was in like he was way back in like the Side Out What's that Side out What's Side Out volleyball movie he's in How the [ __ ] do you remember that How dare you But Soulman uh he was he was in the the the outsiders or what was the one with Johnny Depp and all those Was it the Outsiders Uh and uh he played a guy who uh wore a black face and like pretended to be a black guy for something like to get in college or something like that Uhhuh And uh I mean through the whole movie he wore blackface So you think that's there he is He's black Isn't that hilarious Yeah I mean a black guy in school in blackface This was like in the 1980s Look at this He's got a Jerry Cole wig on That's insane I don't know My The standard The standard is probably a little different in movies but I don't
know I Movies are more more real than Halloween Is that what you're saying No movies are not more real than Halloween Um it's look I just I think that given the history of blackface and given how offensive it is to the black community why why go there Why I I don't understand I don't understand the value of it Okay so you want to look even more like Mr T or whatever Like just it's fine You can do it without doing the black face given our history and given how offensive it is Just move forward That's hilarious I couldn't disagree more I think it's just an outfit I think if you're really pretending that if you're a completely non-racist guy and you put some paint on that makes you look more like an African-American that somehow know you're doing something offensive I think that's silly I think the idea of a white person pretending to be a black person is just as weird as the idea of a black person pretending to be a white person But who gives a [ __ ] If a black guy puts white face on and does that thing that Dave Chappelle used to do in a show where he pretended to be a white man reading the news you know with white paint on nobody gave a [ __ ] Yeah Well white people were not made fun of and discriminated against and and freaking lynched and murdered And did you see uh Pineapple Express Is that what it is Tropic Thunder Tropic Thunder with Robert Downey Jr where he wears black face through the whole movie I did not see that [ __ ] beautiful movie You mean you he played a black guy in in the in the entire movie That's really that's I look that's an really interesting argument and I I might reconsider my thoughts on it but based on based on where I stand now I just feel like look I feel really uncomfortable with it just just because how society would make fun of black people by making white actors put the black face on and and you know mimic them and make them seem like they were morons and they were less than It just has such a dark history So if people find it offensive I'm definitely empathetic toward that So Al Jolson basically [ __ ] up Halloween That's what you're saying Definitely All that stupid blackface and racist [ __ ] I think if you're racist you're racist And I think and if you're not racist then there's no nothing wrong with pretending
to be a black person If you're going to be it for Halloween it's one thing if you're like mocking black people in general that's offensive But you're a guy a specific guy You're Mr T You got gold chains on You're It's Halloween dude There's Dave Chappelle pretending to be a white guy Preparations for slavery Well today the first That's real racism right there Thanks Chuck By the way he doesn't look white at all He doesn't That was a terrible Just as bad as see Thomas Howell pretend to be black Equally confusing That's funny I don't know I see your point though and I I appreciate it I appreciate that where you're coming from It's like why do it It's not worth it And it's not worth it I mean I wouldn't want to be Mr tea for Halloween Yeah And uh I see your point where it's different in a movie I guess but I don't think I it wouldn't bother me if one of my friends was Mr T I wouldn't be like "Man you're [ __ ] racist bro You have makeup on You're racist." Like I I there was there was a story about these two women in England or two girls in England and they were dressed as the World Trade Center on fire after the attack Oh I saw and they and they had um people like little fake people jumping out of the costume and to add insult to injury uh they were part of this costume contest and they won they won best contest or I'm sorry best costume So like what amazes me is how little people think these things through before they do it You see what I'm saying Like I mean there are some things that you just do not mess with and that's a perfect example of something you don't mess with especially considering that there are family members that lost people as a result of those attacks Family members who saw their own family members jumping off those buildings and then you have these two dumb asses wearing this stupid costume kind of making fun of that situation It's just there are some things you don't mess with and that's that's a perfect example of it Well I think it's another example of really dumb people getting together and convincing each other that everything's going to be cool Yeah Like oh my god it's such a great idea isn't it Look I have fire Oh my god Amazing In their little bubble it was a great idea because they won Yeah You could pull
that off if you lived in a small town in Alaska before the internet Yeah You know when people didn't know any better True But now especially if that picture goes on Facebook or something like that Oh prepare yourself ma'am for the avalanche of hate Asiana Airlines pilot costume may be most offensive of 2013 Who is that I don't know the story The pilots that crashed The pilots That plane that crashed in San Francisco a couple months ago What was their Oh Oh they dressed as the pilots Pilots They put on blood on their face and they were just dressed as pilots Very tasteless I'll just bring that up Oh okay Oh god They they I just don't Why Why are people so dumb People are dumb They're just dumb They want to be shocking too They want to be paid attention to And if you go as like the Hulk no one's going to give a [ __ ] You know there's a million of those out there But if you go as this people go "Oh my god what are you doing?" And then they pay attention to you That's what it is Yep They just want to get a little shock just get a little rise out of people Yeah it's true Um Juliana Huff who was one of the Dancing with the Stars uh performers or whatever she dressed in blackface And I feel like I feel like you should hold publics public figures to a higher standard because I think you're more aware of this kind of [ __ ] Like more aware of the kind of criticism you're going to get You know what I mean Like you're you're putting yourself out there People are going to see you Yeah And and so I I almost feel as though what is she supposed to be She's supposed to be one of the characters from Orange is a New Black I forget the character's name Um Okay And she doesn't really look black actually looks more bronze than any like she looks like she got a really bad fake tan Like she went like to West Hollywood and got a spray tan Yeah One of them real ones Yeah Um and so she was like "What Oh my I had no idea I apologize." And she had this ap and like that I felt like was a little bit of a publicity stunt That's my speculation Yeah Probably most likely Well probably there's a lot of people are just dumb and that's not as dark as like one of those bodybuilder women when they get that spray tan stuff Like they get really really dark into that stuff Oh
yeah You are No Does it turn you on No I'm not into girls that would potentially kick my ass Yeah Or be more manly than me Yeah You know my favorite discussions on this show usually center around like the appropriate way a female body part should look I don't remember who your guest was but you guys were talking about the appropriate look of I guarantee you I know who it was Jim Norton It was Jim Norton Yeah the dirty bastard Yeah And uh that was after I was confirmed to come on your show and I remember talking to my friend Christian who loves your show by the way Christian Lopez He wanted me to say hi Oh what's up There you go Um and I was like "What the [ __ ] did I just get myself into right now?" Sorry We We give out a bad impression No not at all You're totally fine I'm like but we do we do give out a bad impression If you wanted to cherrypick [ __ ] out of our past you know the things that we've done on this show Yeah I could look I could look a little sketch Yeah Yeah Well I mean that's true If you cherry pick but people like to compare you to Howard Stern I actually don't think you're like Howard Stern at all I think that you're a little more intelligent Howard Stern's a brilliant man He is a brilliant man Wrong Yeah he is I I think that the topics you choose to talk about are a little more intelligent Well you know he does a lot of pop culture stuff Yeah you know interviews a lot of artists and he's really good at uh getting them to talk and say things maybe that ordinarily that they would but you know I mean I think he's also got a much larger audience and there's also a bunch of people behind him that probably would kind of like want him to talk about certain subjects but I have you know we started this out just on a laptop and I don't really give a [ __ ] what other people are interested in I give a [ __ ] what I'm interested in And this whole thing started out just for fun So if I like yesterday I had uh a real astronaut on I mean I had that dude who was on the uh Did he leave a book No he didn't He sold sent it to us He was on the space station for 166 days I mean it was really [ __ ] interesting stuff It was fascinating Uh Chris Hadfield He's uh he's awesome He was that was like a real honor Like that to me is like that's the kind of people that I
want to talk to I just want to talk to fascinating people or Chris Ryan the guy who we were looking at his his uh photo before Yeah I love Chris Ryan He's great He's been on our show several times and he's just really interesting I love his openness about sexuality and and you know what humans are actually you know physically driven to do biologically driven to do and it's very different from societal norms and expectations So there's always that conflict there Or just a standup comedian or just an MMA fighter or just a friend I mean I've had just friends on It's just I I I think too many people are out there trying to u get the attention of of of people by like having people on that are famous or having people on that are you know pop culture And they're interesting to tap into sometimes and find out what makes them tick But for me I want to talk to like Neil Degross Tyson I want I want to talk to Sam Harris I want to talk to brilliant people I want to talk to people and pick their brain people I don't normally hear on the radio or don't normally hear interviewed on television shows Yeah I mean and going back to the discussion we had on new media that's what millennials respond to better Um they like the interviews with real people or or brilliant people who are trying to make a difference in the world They like that way more than you know the celebrity [ __ ] because I think the celebrity stuff's fun too It's fun It's fun but it's snacks Yeah I mean I think millennials will take that for what it's worth but they're more interested in change I And that and that's the reason why most of them voted for Obama because he kept preaching change even though we didn't really get any of it Yeah Um so but like if a like if Stern interviews like Corey Feldman I'm going to listen to that You know what I mean Like I'm going to hear I'm there for the train wreck Oh I remember very recently um Howard Stern interviewed Sharon Osborne one person that I couldn't possibly care less about and it was such a fascinating interview And I was like that's the magic of Howard Stern He can he can make any interview interesting because he will ask inappropriate questions Yeah He digs into your your psyche with someone like Sharon Osborne Yeah You know married to Aussie Osborne What the [ __ ] is going on
there I don't know Madness craziness Madness and craziness Yeah the uh the idea of having a podcast is I mean I never really thought that I would ever have a radio show because I always kind of figured like no I always enjoyed going on morning radio and I always enjoyed it when I would go and do standup I would come in early to promote and you do radio like back in the days before the internet that's how you sold tickets and I always had a good time on the air and I said wow it would be cool to have a radio show but then I was like who the [ __ ] going to give me a radio job and that's not going to happen and on top of that they're going to tell me I can't swear and that shit's going to get tired and then satellite radio came along and I started doing the Opie and Anthony show a lot and uh those guys are are great and they're the way they have it set up is a lot like this show where it's just a conversation Yeah Yeah they don't have like a specific agenda They don't have games they want to play All right Anna it's time to play What would you rather do You know they don't have that kind of stupid [ __ ] It's just nice It's just a conversation It's just a hang And so that's really what sort of uh fueled getting this thing started but that was So you have a three-hour long show Do you ever have a difficult time holding my bladder Well yes that's a that's a good question But on top of that um it's really difficult to find guests that are willing to have a three-hour long conversation Yeah Well yes and no You know we don't have a hard time finding guests but um yeah some people are just not it's not right for them Some people don't want to talk for 3 hours because if you talk for 3 hours long enough people are going to find out who the [ __ ] you really are Yep That's true It just takes time Yeah you know and they're going to find out what tweaks you or what you know what you like what you don't like what's weird about you They they get to know you like very very deeply Do you think your audience has a good sense of my my weird characteristics Super weird right It's all right though It's good You're a nice person That's all that matters Being a nice person the weird thing is like who the [ __ ] not weird you know I mean everyone's weird Everyone's got their like little habits and stuff I was
talking to my friend about how important it is to be open-minded especially at this point in our lives like when we're you know willing to meet new people and make new friends and all that other stuff And like you come across people that have certain habits that are just strange And when I was younger I'd be like "H like I just don't I don't want anything to do with this person." And now I love this I love that I've grown into this person where where where I will step back I'll realize that something's weird and it'll make me uncomfortable I'll ask why it makes me uncomfortable and I'll be like "All right that's fine It's not something that's going to hurt me or damage me so live with it It doesn't bother me you know?" Like if you're out with people and they're holding hands and you're like "So what's your deal?" And like "Oh we're swingers We like to go swing club." [ __ ] it I mean if you're swingers like I'm I don't want to join you guys but No one does By the way you do you Yeah Yeah They're always disgusting humans I don't know I've actually never met swingers I met two swingers in my whole life that were like out and out telling me they were swinging like introduced themselves as swingers One of them Ari and I were in Nashville We were doing standup and this guy was uh driving us around for two days and uh he was a limo driver and did was just like yes sir no sir And then finally he's dropping us off at the airport and the dude just opens up the floodgates and just starts talking about swinging and what he what he does and what he likes to do I don't really like to watch my wife get [ __ ] but sometimes she likes watching me have sex And you know if I don't if I don't feel comfortable about a guy I can tell her no We were like "What?" Like "How do what I wonder what kind of guys he's uncomfortable with?" Big ones probably And yeah he's he's probably a fan of the mediocre guy theory Absolutely Yeah You don't want to let your girlfriend get gorilla [ __ ] by some giant lineman in front of you you know That would be horrendous Yeah That would that's the last thing you want So he can like give the red light He's He will He will save himself for a guy who's coughing you know someone a man with a limp you know Take him honey We
don't want him He'll show he'll show you a good time Good looking guy honey Yeah Just try to find some guy who's like less endowed than you less feral than you Yeah that's understandable though You don't want to deal with that competition I guess It's just sad Um we had a conversation about like furries on the show before Yeah And so I don't see anything wrong I mean I I don't prefer furries don't get me wrong but like whatever They like to dress up as animals when they're having sex Like I don't care That doesn't bother Like if I found out someone I'm hanging out with is into that then I would just be like "All right you're into that It's totally fine." Really So if you were dating a guy and you found out that he was into being a furry and he would go to furry conventions they'd sniff each other's fake butts and bounce around like squirrels you'd be like "That's fine I don't have a problem with that Come on." Um you would judge him I don't I'm not in that Okay I would like to say that I would not judge him I would judge the [ __ ] out of a girl If I was dating and I was and I met a girl and we're hanging out and she's pretty cool and then she's like "Well there's this one thing that I really like to do I like to pretend to be a chipmunk mascot and uh I put on my chipmunk mascot outfit on and I go to these conventions in Pittsburgh We all fly in with our furry outfits on and we dance around together and we pretend to have sex but no one really penetrates anybody." Um Yeah I look it is what it is I I feel like there are definitely there are worse fetishes out there Like guys who like to wear diapers and they like to get changed Like that that kind of stuff scares the hell out of me right How do you how do you even breach that conversation I don't even know I don't even know I I don't know how I give them a like furries for instance I give them props because how do you find someone who's willing to deal with your fetish Well I think there's something in being willing to deal with almost anything that's like extra attractive You have to be open-minded Yeah Well when people start dating each other this is my thing my my my thinking on it is that when when people start dating each other if someone really wants someone to be a
part of their life they might like want to do something like really weird with them to show them that I do not care I'll do anything I'll change your diaper I'll wipe your butt Oh my god Like I remember a dude that I know he would take we were at a um a fight It was backstage Uh my my friend was warming up in the green room and this dude went into the bathroom with his girlfriend and took a [ __ ] like in front of her This like little bathroom together and I go "Did you just take a [ __ ] in front of her Really?" Cuz I went in there afterwards and it was hor he wrecked the bathroom But why Why But I asked him I go I go "What's that about?" He goes "We do everything together man We do everything together." I don't No that's not healthy That's not healthy though But that's that's how can you say it's not and you just say wearing a [ __ ] furry outfit is healthy Well but that's there's like a codependency issue there That's not healthy If you have to do everything together that would be my nightmare My goal in life is to find a guy that is comfortable with me living my life and not dude's right now writing on Twitter I am comfortable with you living your life Man I I feel like sometimes like my issue is I'm too like wrapped up in my career bubble and I'm really attracted to like independent guys that don't want a girl who's like always on him Like guys guys pretend like they don't like that but they do They want a girl who's all about him all the time And I'm just not that kind of person Especially you have your own career Yeah That's too inconvenient I love it Is it Is it inconvenient Some people um I love like independent strong people Like that's the biggest turn on to me Not me I like them weak dependent I like lot of people get sick a lot I like that I like when people get sick a lot Like when people need you to get them soup and a lot of people do like that They codependency is a real issue Yeah Well people want I mean isn't that really the mediocre guy theory that you want to make sure it doesn't go anywhere No Sort of similar And by the way I don't even just to be completely crystal clear my mediocre guy theory is a little bit of a joke Like like obviously I don't want a mediocre guy and obviously I want a guy that I'm physically attracted to But I do believe that a guy
is as faithful as his opportunities Same goes for women by the way It's not just men Those dirty [ __ ] I can't even believe you're saying that Yeah Well you know what It's especially human beings when they're not like if you're not if you if you haven't found someone that enthrals you or someone that you're like deeply locked in with it's real easy to like lose a relationship Like you got a relationship and it's like you know what I'm not investing any more time in this And then boom And guys are always worried about the music ending and then being left without a chair you know like hey you know you're playing musical chairs the music stops and there's nowhere to sit down I didn't no one wants me And that's that thing that thing that a lot of people want someone to want them And if they're dating an independent woman they realize like this chick whether she enjoys your company or not she could do without you dude and she's fine You know that that freaks guys out A lot of guys they want some girl who's like waiting by the phone and when you call her "Oh my god I was so happy you called Should I say that You know they they love stupid That's so that's such [ __ ] Not buying it for a second No it's true It's the same reason why like people pretend they like to fight Like men like always say like "Oh if I knew if I was a black belt I'd go to the UFC kick everybody's ass." That's That's not what you're You don't understand what you're saying What you're saying is you would like to beat somebody up but you don't really actually want to fight cuz the fighting is [ __ ] brutal and somebody might beat you up You could lose It's not guaranteed It's a risky wild the the the whole thing the whole the the whole proposition is incredibly risky So are relationships Relationships are unbelievably risky Of course so a lot of people don't even want to enter in a relationship They just want to smash it They just want to go in there and kick somebody's ass the same way they want to go in there and kick somebody's ass in a fight and not actually be in a fight They don't want to date some girl who's smart intelligent is going to see through my [ __ ] and I can't use all the stuff that I learned in my pickup artist book
that I've been reading for the past six months You're going to see right through that and you're going to you know pick out the flaws and all my arguments [ __ ] that I'm just looking for a a a dumb chick with a limp that I could dominate for a short amount of time and then bail That is a sexy man right there It's a weak dude but there's a lot of them And it's because people are scared of failure I've met some really like strong intelligent uh confident men Um and I I love that Oh they exist They they exist They're like they're very very rare but they exist And no I should I shouldn't even say they're very very rare How do I know It's not like I've been dating like a billion guys right But they exist And and and when I say that I like the independence it doesn't mean like I don't need him It means this person makes me a better person and I want to make him a better person We have this strong bond this strong partnership but we don't suffocate each other I think a lot of relationships are suffocating and I want to avoid that at all costs You know what I mean Yeah It's It's tough to not be suffocating sometimes if you're scared You're clinging on to the last piece of wood you found floating in the ocean Yeah After the horrible wreck of the last last x amount of years of your life that's a lot of people You run into them You're not just running into a person You're running into a person that's just getting back on their feet from some whatever [ __ ] disaster whatever it was whatever breakup whatever you know home repossession lost job what what what is the crisis that you just recently survived and just washed up on shore and now you're meeting that person So you meet someone in their 30s Oh my god you're meeting a lot of [ __ ] You're meeting a lot of [ __ ] It's a lot of years It's not a bad thing Some people are better for it though I mean there's the bright side of it Some people because of all those disasters they develop character and they understand what's good and not good what how they should behave what are the ramifications of you know different kinds of behaviors the you you find that out but you know how many people learn from their mistakes half of them to 50% of the people learn from I at least half I hope I would hope but I don't think
it's even 40 I think it's probably like 30 the rest of the people are just banging their heads on coconut trees people are crazy they are crazy I just I feel like It's better to look if you don't meet someone that makes you feel good about yourself and you do the same for them I feel like it's just better to be alone and live your life and and wait if be an old lady with a lot of cats and a vibrator Maybe not the cats Vibrator sure Why not Did you see that new uh Oculus Rift thing that they have with the 3D reality goggles They've come up with one now that allows you to have sex that connects you to some sort of an artificial thing that's mo like a flesh light that's moving up and down your penis I I know nothing about that but I have like read stories about robots that they're creating that are very lifelike So you know women will be useless in in you know 10 years or something when these are perfected in Japan I'm just I'm kidding about the women being useless Yeah there'll be for some men there will be something that they won't have the effort to pursue anymore That's going to be real I've talked I've talked to a guy who cannot wait um who cannot wait for these sex robots to be perfected Um so and and he's like totally honest about it He's like "Yeah they're so lifelike that you can like have a relationship with a sex robot." And it's like I don't I don't even know what my response should be to that that it will always be an empty hollow relationship There's always going to be something missing from it You're always going to want to have sex with them Maybe you know if they look like super hot and they're robots but hanging out with them there's going to come a point in time where you realize that this is just a bunch of circuits just a bunch of electrical impulses going through a board Definitely staring at you and coming at you with some pre-recorded voice Yeah it's going to be weird I People are always going to want the part of what people like about people is that we're all in this crazy thing together Yeah that's true And and you know going back to the necessity of human interaction um in some Asian countries they prostitutes offer something called the girlfriend experience and they probably do that here in the United
States too but I distinctly remember talking about it in Korea I believe and um they don't just have sex with the guys like they in some cases they never have sex with the guys the guys will pay for the girl to be like a girlfriend where she's like nurturing and caring and cuddles with him and watches movies with him and stuff like that And that actually gave me a little bit of faith in humanity because that showed me that there are people out there that just want that you know that connection They want more than that physical raw interaction They want something emotional Yeah there's always going to be that but they would like to [ __ ] as well That's true The problem is a lot of times the girlfriend experience is 50 bucks whereas the other thing if you want to actually have sex like 125 so you have to budget your you know if you're living in Japan in a tiny so you're not buying it like you think no there's guys are they're cuddling because they they do want to cuddle but they definitely want to move to the next level I don't think you're giving guys enough credit I think that guys I they like they like to pretend like they don't have any emotional connection or want that emotional connection but a lot of them want Oh yeah No don't get me wrong I'm not saying that Um men definitely want an emotional connection with a girlfriend or a wife or a woman in their life What you know label it in any way you want but they also want to [ __ ] So but if they can't get that if all they can get is cuddling they'll take the cuddling But they would like a little bit more It's just natural Like why would someone be affectionate with me but not want to please me all the way Why can't I get rid of this throbbing thing you know Like that's just a natural I mean it's as natural as like you know eating one piece of your food and wanting to eat the rest of it It's just it's natural It's completely natural Yeah So like there was a thing recently where a woman was like making $90 an hour cuddling with people She was like hiring herself out to cuddle with people That's I mean I couldn't do it but make money All I was thinking of like what a dangerous situation that is for the girl to be with some man holding on to her like in in like very close proximity Like how many guys are just
going to start beating off on her back you know How many guys are going to be cuddling with her and try to rape her It's like I wouldn't trust a guy to cuddle with him like that Me as a guy wouldn't trust a guy Like we're not cuddling dude Look I don't I don't know what the legality of that is but it does go back to the whole prostitution issue and how important it is to legalize and regulate it and create a safe environment for women to do that type of stuff So you can actually mitigate or minimize you know those types of instances where a guy will be abusive or do something degrading or demeaning The worry is also I mean always that you're promoting it and that if you make prostitution legal and the people that go to prostitution that would never go to prostitution before So what What kind of a woman are you Who are you I'm a woman with an open get together with those lawyer women and all of you sell your vaginas down the river Just sell them I just feel like people who want to have relations with a prostitute are going to do it anyway And if legalizing prostitution somehow convinces someone who wouldn't otherwise go to a prostitute to go through with it then okay like there are worse things in the world It's just it's sex So what I agree with you I'm obviously playing a devil's advocate but what was it that being on the show changed where you had this shift in your attitude about legalized prostitution I worried about the safety of the women that put themselves in that situation and also the safety of men that put themselves in that situation because if you regulate it you can ensure that these women are getting tested for STDs You don't want a bunch of people getting you know AIDS or other sexually transmitted diseases pregnant You know a regulated industry in this case would be much better than you know criminalizing it and allowing people to harm themselves or be put in a harmful situation And on top of that here's another thing I don't want to do I don't want to waste our resources on incarcerating people for these so-called sex crimes because I don't see prostitution as a sex crime I see it as normal human behavior People want sex Some people unfortunately have to pay for sex But if if that transaction has to happen let it happen Let it be
regulated Let's get it off the streets and put it in a place that's safer That's just better for society No that's a totally rational way of looking at it And um unfortunately we have this weird attitude when it comes to sexuality and we have this weird attitude when it comes to naked people I mean you remember that Janet Jackson thing We showed a nipple in the Super Super Bowl and everybody lost their [ __ ] mind Yep I remember It's We're really weird in that way It's okay to give someone a massage You could rub their feet to the cows come home with oil You could rub them They can moan out loud Oh my god this feels so good Nobody has a problem with it Rub my back Rub my But don't touch my dick Whoa That's a crime That's a crime Even though it would feel fantastic if you did Can't do it Do you consider do you consider that cheating Like if you are married and um you well you are married but like if you were to go to a massage parlor and get that done would that be considered cheating I definitely think it would get you in a lot of trouble Of course it would get you into a lot of trouble Seems like uh it seems like someone would not be happy about that But it would be awesome if they were if you could just go and what if they wore a mask like one of those Mexican wrestlers You could you even know what they look like You go in there with like a Wolfman mask on and they can dress like a Mexican wrestler You don't even look at each other You both wear sunglasses It's just a It's just like a massage in a situation like that It's really not that different That's the reason why they do it at a massage parlor right You know and the real the guys pro tips guys actually get a massage and then get a happy ending They don't just go right for the happy ending The the the legit pros who sit there they have a real massage first How does that convers How does that conversation come up Like how do you find a massage parlor that is willing to do that There's websites There are Yes Yes Fascinating There's websites that'll tell you where the spots are and you know like they'll rate places with stars and detail their hand job experiences Wow And of course it doesn't just stop at a hand job It goes further than that in some cases Right Allegedly Allegedly
Yeah It's It's one of those weird things where we've decided that people can do it for free and no one gets hurt Yeah But if they do it for money it's illegal And the the the logic behind it is very weird And the the logic behind the laws are you know there's there's morality ideas there's ethics ideas but the reality is that money is going to be changing hands whether you like it or not And most likely it's not going to get taxed unless it's legal Yeah It's just going to it's just going to move into the economy in some sort of a weird way But the government in that in and also in drug laws they're [ __ ] themselves out of massive amounts of revenue Like the war on drugs is the most colossal [ __ ] failure of a war in the history You guys during the time you're at war the business got bigger It got way huger everywhere in the world It's a huge part of the economy And the business has become medical in California and various 16 other states Legal in two states now now legal in Portland Maine It's the worst failure of a war ever It is And when you look at the war on drugs specifically the war on marijuana very little of it has to do with stopping people from using these drugs Most of it has to do with paying for correctional officers paying for private prisons paying for private contractors even private contractors abroad who continue to amplify the war on drugs People are making a ton of money off this prohibition which is why it continues and it'll never stop And I love that we're seeing the snowball effect with the legalization of recreational marijuana or recreational use of marijuana Um there was recently uh a small town in the east coast that legalized it I believe it was in Maine Yes Portland Maine Yeah it was Portland Maine Um they just legalized it and it was more of a symbolic thing because of course state laws and federal laws will trump you know whatever municipal laws have been passed But I I love that now politicians are forced to pay attention to the polls and make changes because we're spending untold amounts of money just incarcerating people for simple marijuana possession It's hideous It is And the the real problem with the war on drugs being with when you have marijuana illegal it means you're not getting that tax money from it just like you're not
getting it from prostitution The government doesn't get their cut They're not getting it It's going to make its way into the economy in some ways Like in BC in British Columbia there there's a huge issue because a giant chunk of their economy is based on marijuana but yet marijuana is illegal They arrest people but then let them go There's like a lot of weird [ __ ] games going on up there but because it's illegal they're not getting their taxes from it It's a huge issue They know it's a giant There was a a documentary that I was in called The Union and it was all about That's what they call it they call it the union when they talk about the the all the different marijuana growers in BC It's like they're a multi-billion dollar part of the economy up there So it's this weird hypocrisy that's going on where you have this thing that's a huge part of why everybody's doing well and that thing's illegal and that thing's hurting no one And by the way because it's illegal you're not getting your cut Do you know um about the Schaefer report What's that During the Oh I love this story I love telling this story So during the Nixon administration Nixon wanted to commission a study on marijuana specifically Do you know about it I know about the Nixon report Yeah I didn't know it was called the Schaefer report Yeah So he commissioned I believe he was a governor at the time He was a politician with the last name Schaefer Um to do the study on marijuana So Schaefer go went ahead and did it And he found that marijuana had no real long-term negative effects on society or human health or anything like that It just was not a threat to society period Nixon the same freaking person who commissioned that report took it ripped it up and said "No I'm going to amplify the war on drugs I'm going to continue making this legal illegal I'm going to continue criminalizing people who have simple possession of it." And Nixon I mean of course he did a lot of hideous things but that had so many negative ramifications in the country That's what led to you know this explosion of the for-profit prison industry And now that industry first of all I don't know why it's called for-profit um or or private prisons because they're funded by tax dollars So how are they private And on top of that now we have an incentive to
lock people away because these companies make money off of it It's sick Yeah private prisons are very scary It's very scary that not only do you have private prisons but you have private prison lobbies and you have guard lobbies where prison guards make sure that certain things stay illegal so that they can ensure that they have work Yeah that's slaves You're making slaves I mean you you want people to be locked up more than not locked up In my opinion if it's not robbery or violent crime those are the two things that I'm worried about Robbery or violent crime that's when you need to remove people from society Everything else should be on some sort of a penalty thing Yeah I mean the idea like a misdemeanor citation something some cit I mean what is it What's going on I mean did what did you not do Did you not pay your taxes Why do you get locked up for that That sounds crazy Why don't don't you just owe taxes How about you make them pay Because when you lock them up they're not even making any money Why are you profiting off How you doing that You're locking them up and that's better than getting money from them while they're working Well we're doing the same thing with people who are undocumented immigrants right So they'll come into this country they're undocumented we find out they're undocumented and instead of deporting them which is what we used to do we will detain them for x amount of years and spend our resources on imprisoning them which doesn't make any sense at all And I get it like you you might okay we want to punish them and show them like you can't you can't do this again but you punish them by deporting them You know what I mean And and that's it Like why would you want to incarcerate them and spend tax dollars on that Especially when we're having this huge issue with public education right now Yeah It's uh it's a weird little fake thing that we have going on where we pretend that LA doesn't have 10 million illegal immigrants We just kind of like well you know whatever Now they're allowed to go to college at least There's a long time where uh im immigrants were their children of immigrants or immigrants like that came over and their children were born in Mexico but lived their entire lives here in America They weren't allowed to go to college I know
So I'm happy that California passed a Dream Act It's ridiculous that we haven't been able to do that on a federal level Absolutely And disgusting What is America if it's not a nation of immigrants I mean that that's all we are We are a bunch of people that came here from other And to penalize a baby or to say that well you know what the parents they brought the kid over here so the kid could sponge off our the kids a part of the [ __ ] system Yeah They call them anchor babies Yeah By the way the parents are a part of the system too They're working here Yeah I I hate the argument that they don't pay taxes in a lot of cases especially in California I mean they pay taxes in the form of first of all they pay social security but then they never get a dime of that social security later right So they're contributing to the social security system And on top of that they're paying for state taxes as well or or sales taxes So they do pay taxes They do contribute to society And I'm not trying to you know make excuses or to justify coming into the country illegally but if you've been here for decades and you've had your children here there we need to create some sort of comprehensive immigration reform And right now we have clowns in office that can't seem to agree on anything and refuse to work with one another So I feel like it's going to be difficult for that to happen But I feel like something like the Dream Act is common sense It shouldn't even be a political issue It shouldn't be a partisan issue You should just do it Yeah I completely wholeheartedly agree And I think there's also this weird thing where we're connected to a third world country by a fence I mean we are right next door to the biggest war on drugs in all of the world playing out on our border And then right across there you have intense extreme poverty If you take a car from San Diego you can go from La Hoya where you will have the most elegant clifftop mansions that will blow your mind Just these great Gatsby houses where you're like "Oh my goodness." Like this [ __ ] giant circular driveway with enormous fountain You're like "What a house." In 20 minutes you're in Tijana Yeah 20 [ __ ] minutes And you might just just get there while these cartel members are dropping off headless bodies and lining
them up on the street with signs on them Or you know you might see a brothel where you can go [ __ ] some immigrant for a dollar that made their way up from El Salvador or or Peru or you know where Mexico is the promised land for them They're hoping to get to Mexico because they're living in the jungle somewhere in Ecuador I mean it's extreme intense poverty and extreme intense violence and we're just sort of like not dealing with it We're not dealing with it but we're actually fueling that type of system here in the United States by keeping marijuana legal We certainly are By keeping marijuana legal and also through our current fiscal policy you know by allowing companies like Walmart to basically pay full-time employees so little that the government has to subsidize their health care or food stamps whatever it is just so they can make ends meet Like we have we have that system here now and and we need to do something to change it Well it's exactly what they were protesting about during the WTO thing It goes all back to Alex Jones I told you Joe Rogan that that's what he was uh his his document I think it was 911 a road to tyranny It was all about that It was all about how this is like an established pattern of behavior and you know this agent provocator thing that they do to break up peaceful protests The World Trade Organization meeting was just about that very thing It's about moving jobs to these other places and figuring out how to set up shop in third world countries You can pay people dirt wages Yeah Yeah I don't know how that's going to get fixed Do you when you you cover this stuff on a daily basis I mean you guys are covering more serious issues than we are We're basically just [ __ ] around and finding things in the internet that I find are interesting But you guys are like covering like some pretty legit stories and getting pretty in in Do you see any light at the end of the tunnel Do you see like a pot of gold the end of the rainbow for all this I I do see a light at the end of the tunnel but we really need a revolution And I'm not calling for violence and I'm not inciting violence but I think that there has to come a point where we hit rock bottom and the political activism actually makes a difference You know the political activism needs to exist to
begin with by the way because it doesn't even exist now I mean we're at at a point where the government can literally do whatever it wants and no one will make a peep out of it The NSA can spy on us The Obama administration can go uh drop a drone or do a drone strike on an American citizen um and his 16-year-old son and no one will say a damn thing about it That's the country we're living in right now Our civil liberties are being destroyed Our fiscal policy doesn't make sense I We need people to be politically active and we need to get money out of politics Those are the two things that matter the most Do you think there's also the aspect of the the amount of information that we're getting overwhelmed with on a daily basis When you you think about a story about the American citizen that was targeted that was the the the jihadi guy Yeah And they killed his son with drones and you know he was an American I mean they didn't try him They just assassinated him Uh is there too many stories coming in I mean go to CNN.com right now and you'll see a [ __ ] million of them on the front page you know go to Yahoo go to all these news sites and you're like "God damn that's that's part of the problem but I mean the most of these stories are important news stories." Yeah there's a lot of [ __ ] sprinkled in there Um but a huge problem is you know every American I I'm I have the luxury of keeping up with this stuff because it's my job A lot of Americans don't have that luxury because they're working 12-h hour work days you know they're they're working a few different jobs just to provide for their families Who the hell is going to go home after a long day of work sit down and read all of these news stories much less understand the nuance of these news stories That's a difficult thing to do and it's a lot to ask of the American people But the the way that you can fix that is by creating a media a a form of media that is informative with no corporate interests Because right now the gold standard of news is still the MSNBC CNN Fox News It's the stuff that you just turn on You you watch it in the background while you're trying to feed your kids and take care of your family And that's problematic because a lot of those networks will spread misinformation or they have a particular
agenda and as a result they will only cover the news that fits their agenda And there's an issue with that But hopefully new media will grow to the point where it'll take over that system and it'll you know educate people enough to where they will want to stand up for their rights and they will want to be politically active I'm teaching a class at Cal State Northridge right now It's a journalism class Prepare for stalkers Stalkers are coming I have a private security It'll be fun Good move Uhhuh Um I want to double up on that now My people are ferocious Um and I remember when I first started teaching the class I I asked every single one of the students to tell me what they find most interesting in media What do they want to cover What's their beat And the vast majority of them were like entertainment news sports news you know stuff that's really easy to cover and very profitable So I don't blame them for wanting to do that But I wanted to instill in them a a type of intellectual curiosity where they would want to know about what's going on in the political world where they would want to be these mini political activists And I don't do it in in the sense that I tell them hey you got to be progressive I definitely shy away from that but I want them to look at news stories critically and question the way that they're being covered So that's like my little tiny bit of trying to make a difference And I love doing that Being a an instructor at a university is a very thankless job I've learned that this semester since it's my first time doing it But you got to you got to start by you know changing the way people learn about journalism changing the way they cover stories And you got to get people to be critical thinkers or at least try to inspire them to be I mean it's really tough to get someone to do anything It is It is It is tough But I will say I open every class with a production meeting Like we do mock production meetings similar to what you would do in a newsroom Ah and the type of stories that they pitch now are very different from what they started pitching in the beginning of the semester So they're way more politically minded which I love All of a sudden they're bringing up the Glenn Greenwald Edward Snowden type stories and I'm like "Yes." Like that's a little bit of a
difference and it makes me very happy Do you feel like because I mean you you do this for a living but do you think that you can even keep up with all the [ __ ] that's happening on a daily basis No I don't But how does a regular person you It's difficult It's difficult How can they I mean it's it's almost impossible to be informed today It's almost impossible to be truly informed I think I don't I don't think it's impossible I think it's overwhelming but I don't think it's impossible as a responsibility How much do you have a responsibility to be informed Not you but a regular person with a regular job and a family and god forbid if you have a [ __ ] hobby But if you're working on something during the day what what are the odds that you can pay attention to the top 10 news stories of the day and form a really clear opinion on any of them It's very difficult We're [ __ ] Too many hours Very difficult But you know what Here's the thing And and I'm going to People are not going to like what I'm about to say Uh oh Everyone loves distractions Like how much time do we spend on social media How much time do we spend watching reality shows and doing things that we want to do because we just want to shut our brains off We want to numb ourselves to what's going on in the world right Instead of doing that maybe we should change the culture so people will want to use that very precious time and that very precious resource uh to be informed They want to use it for that as opposed to being you know I think distracted The problem that people have with uh being informed over being distracted is that it's incredibly frustrating and you feel helpless When you start reading all these stories about the stock market manipulations about the banks being bailed out and about bailouts where the [ __ ] people that were involved in the bailout somehow or another warranted some crazy commission They got some bonus of the and then the president says he's going to limit to a half a million dollars Like a [ __ ] half a million dollars is a lot of money man What do you mean you're limiting it to a half a mill Didn't we just give them a ton of money Yeah You feel helpless when you read about this [ __ ] over and over and over again When you you watch documentaries on fracking when you you know you you
read stories in the news about how how poorly veterans are being taken care of when they come back from war And there's so many different things that you read that doesn't make sense I know But when you look at all of these news stories there's always one underlying issue in every news story It's kind of amazing And it always goes back to who is funding these politicians right If you get the money out of politics that virus if you destroy that virus things will change quickly because our representatives will be forced to pay attention to the American people the people that are voting for them as opposed to the people who are paying them You know if you get rid of that type of uh bribery that we're dealing with right now the entire system needs to be changed Unquestionably but how does that ever happen I mean doesn't I mean we you have to like get them to change it themselves as well How else is it going to get changed Well here's the thing Um Congress is obviously very corrupt So Congress how dare you This is Congress of America They're obviously um very much bought by corporations and as a result it's really difficult for them to propose any real change But when it comes to the state level when it comes to state legislators it's a little different So we actually managed to get um a state representative from Texas to propose a res resolution for a constitutional convention It goes back to what I was saying earlier about Wolfpack And if we get you know state state representatives from all the states to agree to this constitutional convention then we can actually have this constitutional amendment to get money out of politics It's possible We just need to inform people about it Wolf-pack.com Wolf-pack.com Get on it Well I I hope you're right and I I'm I'm very hopeful Um I just I think that it's incredibly difficult to get venom out of the system and that once once it's in there it's in there pretty deep It's going to be very hard to heal this poisoned system And the people that are accustomed to extracting money they they mean that's a a a giant part of their motivation for being in the position when they're in in the first place Now all of a sudden they're there and they can't extract money anymore They're going to go "What
kind of hippie [ __ ] is this?" All of a sudden they're going to have to pay attention to the people that voted for them That's crazy They get to a point where they can't do that anymore I think that's one of the things that we need is we need new young politicians I think that's hugely hugely important Until that happens and principled politicians I mean you'll have some pol some candidates who will run a campaign and they're genuine in how they want to change the system I think Obama is an example of that I think he was genuine to begin with and then they enter the system and they're corrupted by what we have to deal with They're corrupted by the money in politics and I mean what are you going to do at the end of the day You got to you got to run for reelection You need the funds right And you're going to get the funds from corporations and then you have to basically get down on your knees and do whatever the corporations need you to do That's my opinion I'm with you on this But I talked to Sam Harris who I respect very greatly and his opinion is very different He believes that there's so many dangerous people in the world that Obama got into office then immediately realized how [ __ ] scary the world is and then started tightening down drone attacks cut down on surve I mean started uh cut down on whistleblowers surveillance ups all all the things that he did once he got into office that what explains that his reversal in Guantanamo Bay he believes that it's because the stack of papers that he gets on his desk every day of memos telling him what's been avoided what how [ __ ] up the world what we're facing on that 911 I don't know if I'm really buying that argument I think that we have this military-industrial complex and I think that Obama does not want to seem weak when it comes to national security So as a result he will do things that are extreme I mean if you're really concerned about national security it's very curious for you to go about keeping the country safe by causing so much hostility toward the US Think about that We are bombing and and doing drone strikes on innocent civilians abroad That creates hostility toward the United States That makes people want to attack us So I I mean I I'm not really buying
that you know Obama got in and he got scared I think that people are making money off what's going on abroad right now And I I I think that Obama is worried about seeming weak to Republicans I mean when you look at almost all of his policies he's always been so afraid of Republicans which drives me crazy The only thing that he's really had a good stance on was gay marriage And that was after what years of being president He finally came out and said "Yeah I I guess I've changed my mind Civil unions aren't enough We should have same-sex marriage." Well if you really believe that then we should do something on the federal level This is not a states rights issue This is a federal issue This is a civil rights issue I feel like gay rights and gay marriage is one of those beach balls they toss up at a concert everybody has to keep in the air because it keeps everybody distracted Gay marriage oh not my town And they keep bouncing this stupid beach ball around And they and politicians are now using it for political gain which is really frustrating You know what I mean and it's oh look it turns out that you know the majority of Americans are in favor of gay rights so let's change our stance on that There's they're not principled And in in that case it's a good thing because I want gay rights But I just politicians will be politicians you know and and a lot of them lack principle Well it's always been said that they're like it's like politics are show business for ugly people And actors are notorious for uh sticking their finger in the air and finding out which way the wind blows culturally and then saying things that they don't necessarily believe in or necessarily have even researched And that's hugely common when you're on sets There's always these dumb bimbo actors that have opinions and and males more than females Bimbo males And they'll have these opinions on something political or well the Democrats want is like what the [ __ ] are you even talking about Like you're talking nonsense dude Did you just like read a front page article in Salon for 5 seconds and now all of a sudden you're going to tell us what's wrong with the world Like they what they do is try to appear liberal They try to appear progressive cuz they're not even human What they are is
some weird form that like they're they're like a mold that like can grab human flesh and [ __ ] fake it and they can walk through life pretending to have regular emotions and regular feelings Meanwhile they're just trying to get people to give them their next job Trying to get people to like them enough to cast them in the next TV show or movie or whatever They're barely even alive They're these weirdos And I think politicians are very much the same way Obviously this is a massive generalization This is not all actors I met a lot of cool actors but I have met a lot of [ __ ] weirdos that are like Steepford wives They're like robot people They're like some weirdo who's just trying to be whatever work whatever pants work Do I have to have fake rips on my jeans What What's the new thing You know should I wear a nose ring No Nose rings are out I mean they're on the [ __ ] whatever the edge is everyone's wearing what everybody else is wearing Do you remember when those Von Dutch hats were going around and they had those [ __ ] stupid trucker hats and you're like "What are you doing You have a [ __ ] stupid trucker hat on and everybody's got them." I just thought of Ashton Kutcher Anytime I think of truck trucker hats I think of Ashton Kutcher He was a young man at the time I don't fall to him but I think it's that sort of a thing where you get that in politics as well You get a human that's not even really a human What they are is this this this thing that's leaning towards whatever pole gravity or the wind or the the the the rush of the water beneath their feet whatever the [ __ ] it is that's pulling them one direction or another there's no stability There's no base There's no real ethics And when they do have ethics they look [ __ ] crazy They look like Ron Paul They look like some some nutty dude They look like some Gary Johnson from New Mexico some fringe character Well I mean I I I think there have been politicians in the past who had ethics and and people will look down on them Um but a a perfect example of a politician that actually gets a lot of respect is Elizabeth Warren If Elizabeth Warren ran for president I'd be like Hillary who you know like she's an amazing person who actually stood up to the banks when it was an unpopular thing to do And also
when in this current system it's political suicide because these are the [ __ ] that are supposed to fund your campaigns Right Right So Elizabeth Warren you know is an incredible senator I don't I don't think that she's actually going to run for president but people are becoming more and more open to principled politicians because it's refreshing It's I mean when this whole Rob Ford thing was Ford thing was happening in Toronto there were a number of supporters because they thought that it was refreshing that he was so honest Even though he's freaking crazy smoking crack but they're like "Yeah at least he's honest All right you know maybe we'll vote for him again." Yeah he did say that he smoked crack He was pretty honest about it But if you look at a guy that's that fat he's this giant moon face like he's wild He's going to do anything He's so indulgent you Look what he's doing with food Look what he's doing to his body You think he's scared of some crack That guy's not scared of anything He'll he'll smoke some crack Yeah Um I I think that one of the things that this this shift that's happening with information one of the things that's going to be very fascinating about this erosion of privacy is that you're going to get real honest politicians because they have no choice Exactly You know what's amazing though is you'll have politicians that are on the record saying one thing and then like a few months later they backpedal or they say something or flip-flop and they say something completely different and they deny that they did a flip-flop And it's like like Mitt Romney is an example of that There was evidence indicating that Mitt Romney supported Planned Parenthood and then when he was running for president he's like I will shut Planned Parenthood down It's like you're on the record dude There's evidence It's like how are you unaware of the internet and how it holds you accountable to what you've done and said in the past Well Mitt Romney is still in denial that he's a first generation Mexican Yeah He's still in denial of his family living over in Mexico Yeah Remember he was talking about that like very briefly during the uh the the campaign that his father actually was born in Mexico and everybody was like what Then you get deep into it and you
find like oh your dad was in a sex cult Oh wow Mitt Romney was a character He still is Yeah Yeah He was governor of Massachusetts for a long time People loved him Did a good job Some people loved him Yeah I mean he fiscally he had healthc care in Massachusetts It's very similar to the Affordable Care Act And then he went off and started criticizing the Affordable Care Act It's like amazing to me Yeah He would have [ __ ] up as soon as he got in office too I think all of them once they get in there they just they just get taken down you know they they they get sat down and they they get spelled out how the world really works and they probably have hints of it before they actually get in there But once they get in there and they meet with the [ __ ] Bilderberg group and they meet with the international bankers that control the world's economy and they just realize the the depth of the puzzle it's probably I mean that's why they all go gray like instantly Oh yeah Obama has aged so much It's kind of incredible Wouldn't it be amazing if he did like an Eisenhower type like like final speech when Eisenhower warned of the uh the military-industrial complex If if Obama all these years if Obama warned about the military-industrial complex that would be very funny If he got on TV and just said "Listen I've been bullshitting you people for eight years." Uhhuh Like this system is [ __ ] crazy Move to Canada That would be move to Hawaii I'm going back there too He never would though There I mean even though he doesn't have to worry about getting reelected again Democrats are holding him accountable They don't want to look bad because they want to make sure another Democrat gets elected And it's all it's all BS It's the same As long as our system is dealing with that virus as long as our system has the money in politics doesn't matter if you're voting for a Democrat or a Republican It's the same at the end of the day They might be different with social issues They might be a little different when it comes to fiscal policy Although Obama is not a good example of him being you know different when it comes to fiscal policy Um they're not different when it comes to international policy I'm a little happier when a Democrats in in office because of what I think they
do socially when it comes to things like gay marriage or things like uh right to choose and thing things along those lines I feel like when when you have a Republican in office those things tend to get squashed Yeah And I think that's one of the benefits of having a Democrat in office is you get more equality especially when you're dealing with a Democrat who also happens to be black I think it's good socially but then when you look at what he's done in comparison to what Bush has done it's man it's real similar Like it's hard to tell the difference between a Democrat and a Republican other than the healthc care issue which seems to be a cluster [ __ ] But I would imagine everything that you get started from scratch is a cluster [ __ ] I don't know why anybody would think that it wouldn't be a cluster [ __ ] Yeah I I look the one thing that I just don't understand is why everyone's panicking about the website The website keeps crashing It's not work Whatever They'll figure it out It'll be Get the porn guys to figure it out Those guys get six billion hits a day They're up That's their problem Like that's the problem that the Obama administration didn't think about They just hired the wrong people They should hire porn people When was the last time you went to a porn website and it crashed cuz too many people were on it That [ __ ] never happens I'm not saying that you go to porn websites but I'm saying anybody out there perverts you weirdos if you ever gone to one and you found out that there's too many people on the the server crashed that doesn't happen They figure out how to make that work And I guarantee you way more people are going to a porn site than are going to any government site right Whether it's Obamacare or Medicare or whatever name the site So the the the one thing that I will agree on in terms of it being a cluster [ __ ] is only 50,000 Americans have signed up through the the website Um which could be disastrous because in order for the Affordable Care Act to work you need people to sign up Yeah I have doubled on my Instagram page [ __ ] Do you That's amazing No that's not that much There's people with millions I have more than a million on Twitter That's the most places I have I Twitter I think I have Yeah you have a ton of followers on Twitter 1,175,682
That's bananas I I think I have like 40 but I'm sure a lot of them are fake I haven't never paid for any that are fake but there's a lot of bots out there and a lot of people that use uh they use fake Twitter accounts to do inflate things I don't want to do that I don't want to like pretend as if I'm like a big superstar or something There's a lot of people that have done it though It's it's pretty common Apparently it's pretty easy to do You just pay some money and they get you x amount of fake followers For I think for some people it like gives them some sort of confirmation that they're okay and they say "These got 25,000 Twitter followers It must be legit Yeah that's true Yeah It's so funny because um you know going back to the class that I'm teaching one of my students looked me up and she's like "Holy [ __ ] you have all these followers and you're verified." I'm like "Oh does that make me more legitimate now?" Because I have like a verified Twitter account but people think it's a big deal It's really funny Yeah it's big Well it's big Like if if if someone says "Hey man I want to come on your podcast." And I go to their page and they have 212 Twitter followers I'm like "Bitch followers." That's true So you took a look at my you looked at my Twitter page No I didn't I I've seen your show I assumed you're legit Okay good I didn't uh didn't go to your Twitter page but we can go there right now What do you got How much you got Let me check this out I think 42,000 Is that a lot I don't think so I think that's decent How long you been on the Young Turks Oh gosh For seven years Yeah that's not enough You need more Twitter followers What you need to do Show a little ass Oh is that what I need to do Yeah for sure Should I take the titty pictures of you No you don't have to go titty Just take some pictures with like you uh like in a bikini like looking over your shoulder you know at your butt Those are huge Just one of those probably get you a th No you don't want to do that Obviously people out there are screaming at me right now This is why we need feminism [ __ ] like you Do you get [ __ ] for saying that you uh you don't like radical feminism Do you ever get people angry at you for No The funny thing is a lot of people think that I am a radical
feminist which I'm not Well any girl that's smart is a feminist instantly Yeah it's really funny I'm I'm actually I I think the word feminism is tainted at this point and I I would much rather refer to myself as a gender equality specialist Specialist I guess diversification tool whatever I mean whatever you want to call it because look men get the short end of the stick when it comes to some serious issues Women get the short end of the stick when it comes to serious issues I don't like the brand of feminism that tells me that I can't be feminine I [ __ ] hate that like I I want to wear my dresses and I want to feel sexy and beautiful and I want to push for equality You can do that Those things are not mutually exclusive So that's just an example They are If you look like Fred Flintstone you don't like wearing makeup They probably become mutually exclusive Well it's I think it's one of those things where there's certain people that don't want other people behaving differently than them Especially if they feel like they're being judged by the fact that you're wearing makeup and you have heels on and they don't like that Then they get judged Well then they start turning that against you instead of saying "Look hey it's different strokes for different folks Okay some people like this some people like that." Instead of that they look to you like you're you're some sort of a traitor Meanwhile those same people if it was a man that was wearing makeup and wearing a dress wearing high heels they would go "You go girl." They would they would be happy for you because that's the progressive move If it's a transgender person that a man who became a woman and wants to wear long nails and wants to like be really dainty and feminine that's all well and groovy Yeah But when a woman is dainty and feminine Exactly Yeah And the argument that they'll make is well if you don't want to be objectified then don't objectify yourself I don't I don't find it objectifying Just because I'm wearing something that's considered sexy doesn't mean that I'm asking people to objectify me And if people do then that's on them Like it's it's kind of like saying you know if a woman dresses sexy then she deserves to get raped She shouldn't expect to get raped right No Like a
woman who dresses sexy shouldn't expect someone to do anything I don't think you should expect to get objectified ever And what is the what does objectify even mean Someone if someone is attracted to you physically are they objectifying you if they want to look at you while they have sex with you Are they objectifying you Like what when they find you sexy at what point what where's the gradient Like what's the spectrum where it falls into objectification to women You're not profiting off of it or are you objecting objectifying like what what where's the gray area It's a kind of a strange thing If someone likes the way you look in a dress are they objectifying you It's like how is that objectifying It's it's a just a fashion sense or it's just an aesthetic It's and it's it's stupid to pretend as if women don't objectify men as well I did it the other day when I went on a hike and there was like a ton of hot guys without their shirts on like people that's human nature to objectify Well it's I don't like that word I think it's you're admiring You're attracted to it's what is objectify You want to turn them into an object It means dehumanizing them It means removing their humanity and use them as a [ __ ] toy But that's not what you're looking to do That's not That's not what you're looking to do You are physically attracted to someone and that's the first thing that stands out to you I think that it becomes wrong when that's all you see in the person right When that's all that matters to you and you know someone's level of intellect or character means nothing You know what I don't even think that's wrong I think if No I think if you're nice to each other and you just like dating people that are really pretty who gives a [ __ ] Am I Am I supposed to be upset at you if you have dumb friends No But when you [ __ ] dumb people I'm supposed to get mad Can't you do better Maybe he doesn't want to do better Yeah Maybe he likes being around dumb friends Maybe he likes having a dumb girlfriend or a dumb boyfriend What do I give a [ __ ] No No I don't care what pe what other people do I don't want to be looked upon that way Like I don't want people to look at me and say like "Oh she's just a pretty face and nothing more than that." No one's going to do that unless they're trying to define you I mean you know better than that How
dare you How dare you play that game You know that That's not going to fly Yeah I think there's also an issue where um people they they feel uncomfortable if they're not they're not seen as attractive and so they try to squash other things that people think are attractive They try to like they they try to belittle attempts at being attractive I mean I think that's there's an issue in that as well If there wasn't an issue in that and if you're a type of person that likes wearing Chuck Taylor and and loose jeans and t-shirts what do you care if a woman is wearing a bikini on a beach What do you care if someone wears a mini skirt Like how does that affect you It doesn't affect you I think you know competition jealousy all of that kind of plays a role in that as well It exposes douchebags It's excellent at that You know exposes [ __ ] men I mean yeah you put yourself in a vulnerable position If you walk around like wearing a bikini and you're walking down Main Street and you have [ __ ] high heels on you're going to run into a lot of weird people Yes You're kind of giving them a green light to get freaky with you or at least going "Look at you baby Why you wearing your underwear?" Yeah I know It's a weird way to end it I think we have to run out of time At three three hours in we turn into a pumpkin Um this was a great show I really enjoyed it I enjoyed it too It was a lot of fun People got to know you Yeah I hope I hope they liked me Uh they liked you According to Twitter they appear to like you Oh that's awesome Just one last shout out to Robert You have a lot of fans They're like "You got to give me a shout out." Robert in Miami Robert in Miami Go [ __ ] yourself dude How dare you Just kidding Robert Uh thank you to our sponsors Thanks to Legal Zoom Use the code word Rogan in the referral box and save yourself some cash son Thanks also to stamps.com Use the code word JRE and get your $110 bonus offer which includes a digital scale and up to $55 of free postage Go get it girl And we're also brought to you by onit.com That's nit Use the code name Rogan Save yourself 10% off any and all supplements We will be back tomorrow with the great Graham Hancock One of my personal favorite human beings that has ever walked the face of the earth He's
an awesome guy with an alternative view of human history and you're going to love the [ __ ] out of it All right we love you Bye-bye [Music]