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sponsored by aps hey as long as you eat perfect you don't need supplements quite honestly i think there's certain supplements that i would take regardless of my diet like shroom tech for uh for training or just things give you extra energy or melatonin if i wanted to sleep i would still take those things but i think that if you could eat like just nothing but organic vegetables like all day and you you really ate healthy quantities of it you probably get enough nutrients you probably do if you really do if you get quantity though no the quantity yeah you have to eat massive quantities that's the thing twice a day with me yeah so it's she's young though look at her you're young young people are vibrant they heal quicker my daughter's three she's like wolverine yeah she gets a scratch it's gone by the end of the day they just suck up inside their body you know they're just growing she could eat cheeseburgers all day that's how young people get away with shitty diets they're still amazing athletes you give a hyper body yeah my daughter's almost two and she literally i feel like she can fall down a flight of stairs and then five seconds later she's doing jumping jacks i'm like oh wow nice yeah they're going to have some supplements one day that's going to be able to do that you're going to be able to rebound just like a little kid that's [ __ ] for sure coming there's some crazy [ __ ] right now just cracking all sorts of things about the human body back to orange county every man every 56 year old guy is trt'ed out of his oh out of his kills i saw one guy at uh this place i eat all the time driving an r8 you know i totally had his head sexy he thought he was on point dude was on point how sexy was he on a one to ten for for a six-year-old man he was he was about a 9.5 i saw a dude on the beach that had to be 75 years old and he was yoked yeah and i should talk i'm 45 i'm 46 now i'm on trt i'm on human growth hormone i take both of those i take one like a little bit less than one unit of growth a day and i take a shot once a week of
testosterone i used to do a cream but the cream is like you got to do it every day do a shot it's like once a week it's just a little it's just like two on on a syringe whatever the [ __ ] that is it's not much for a week but if i don't i don't feel as good i try and get my dad on to it because i i know it'll he's always [ __ ] complaining about oh i'm 69 i'm old i'm like come on let's figure out he won't do it because he's an old surfer hippie but well it's becoming much more popular and you see it all over the news testosterone replacement and people are like well what's what about the negative benefits you know what the neck well there's a lot of negative benefits on not using it that are undeniable like getting old all right it's a different effect on your body the the reason why you get old is your body's not producing testosterone so you can be like proud and say well too it'll just [ __ ] go out in the night like a cowboy or they just give you a shot and then you're good don't be stupid you know what do you want to not enjoy your life as much and not have as much energy exactly you only have so long to live make those those years better this message by ana is called get your [ __ ] together [ __ ] that's that's the proposal get your [ __ ] together [ __ ] you can get your [ __ ] together on it except kettlebells battle ropes just recarve your life get it together drink some water [ __ ] all right eat some good stuff go to audit.com use the code name rogan save yourself 10 percent off any and all supplements all right ian mccall's here let's make it official cue the music check it out [Music] powerful ian mccall dude thank you so much for doing this man thank you for that much requested by the underground forum yes the ugc ttt my my uh loyal followers yeah what does that stand for the underground creepy top team you know and this is these these guys i've been there forever i've been on the underground since 2002 or 2001 i think but they made this themselves they called themselves the ugct to make fun of other all the other top teams in the world
that's why all the shirts have it on it that's why we don't make money off the shirts oh that's funny we just make it make enough to pay for it and then we give away tons of shirts i mean it's yeah that underground's kind of mine of its own yeah they they could sway the the opinion of of yeah the sport i think itself yeah and it's it's funny how like these things sort of just sort of they just come out of nowhere on a forum and then it becomes like a meme and then it takes off like uh like on the underground it was always beep the homo detector like threats threads would always have beep like someone with some someone would even this you could clearly see there's some guys with troll for beeps but still like it's very common if something happens some guy has a shirt off beep you know i had a long thread on the underground for a while i don't know if you ever saw that what was it yeah the the threat of the the women that i was sleeping with no you had a thread with all the women you were sleeping with i didn't wear trouble yeah that would seem like that could get you in trouble but there was no no nudity oh no yeah but it was you know all there was honestly it was a couple probably a couple hundred on there and it was it was like a year long and it just got ugly and then you know some people can you know obviously complain and threaten me well you're not naked on there it's just there's stars over your parts it was it was it was at the time it probably felt like it was a better idea at the time yeah yeah i thought yeah i this was before i was in the ufc this is before i was it was a while ago and i just i just thought i was cool so and that's that's really all i'm i'm only good at the physical things everything else i suck at fighting and and women i'm alright well the underground has produced some of the most epic threads i've ever seen on message boards did you ever read the one with the the guy who's the the undefeated prison fighter oh my god christian i believe his name is christian darrow and uh he went to
jail super thick white dude yeah he was a big big white with a lot of tattoos yeah and he he wound up having a fight with this um [ __ ] what is his name jane i goddamn it i got i gotta i gotta look up this guy's name the kid who uh fought him because the kid who fought him had some skills and just beat the [ __ ] out of this guy but it was it was weird watching it was like has this guy even trained and he might have not even have ever trained he might just be a crazy guy who lied and talked himself into uh being the toughest man into having an mma fight when he really had no [ __ ] business dude they fight in prison james finaro that's his name no no they fought in a gym there's a video of it there's a video of it online i don't even need to [ __ ] on the dude but but sorry you suck sorry yeah come on now i don't even know how we got onto the subject i'm not sure because i i totally forgot oh epic threats so that's how i found out about this thread was from the underground there's so did you ever read the girl like tried to lick my pooper jesus christ that thread is like a billion [ __ ] pages long six months old it's crazy there's some threads that i have like subscribed that i'll check in on every couple of months you know like they have a podcast thread and uh you know every now and then i'll i'll jump in they have a thread about the podcast i'll jump in and say yeah but those are your those are your people yeah they're nice people they're look this the this the amount of [ __ ] in the world is is pretty high i love that word and when people are free to be whoever they are anonymously you're going to get a lot of [ __ ] because that's the the root of all animosity is [ __ ] behavior i got trolled in brazil and i would just lost it on some guy because he was just he just there's only one word he said but it just pissed me off it's constant but it's you know what it is they're just trying to have fun a lot of times by just getting a rise out of you you got to realize that and but it's also just it's not a natural way to communicate to not be in front of someone like there's
a lot of things that you'd say an email that you would never say in front like that's why people say i don't want to talk to you i'm just going to write you a letter to show you how you feel [ __ ] stop it with your [ __ ] letter don't make me read don't be just look at me and tell me what's going on like you tell me what's the problem and let's talk this out because that's the best way to communicate it's looking at each other yeah looking at each other and actually saying what's on your mind you can't let things like build up and yes you guys are going to explode and end up you know doing something stupid yeah and things can swing like left or right like good or bad depending on how you react to a moment while you're in front of someone yeah and a lot of times you would apologize you'd go look i should have said that look i didn't mean it that way or look let's let's this is where i'm coming from i don't you know when you do that when you're looking at each other yeah but you write it down on an email you can just be completely self-indulgent and just filled with nonsense you think just because someone wrote it down like it makes it real oh respect feelings and this that blah blah blah shut up you [ __ ] you verbose don't have the balls to say clickety clickety clack click it he said stop it talk stupid text messages you broke up with me over text messages well that's horrible but if you are in a nightmare relationship it's probably a good move that's true like why be around them any more than you have to just go watch just pull cord hey i you know i've been thinking i gotta go and you're kind of crazy yeah unfortunately we've all run into crazy people and they've all run into us so there you go i i attracted crazy for 99 of my life she did my friend you're you're you're old school man you're talking about i [ __ ] understand that you're talking about chris brennan and uh jeremy williams and uh that's next generation right all those guys yeah old school i started like oh rory mcdonald started training mma i'm like so did i that's that's right man he was like an early pioneer jiu jitsu guy he was like one of the first guys around la to get really [ __ ]
good he was sick and that means kamoras were nasty yeah he had a gang of setups too yeah a bunch of it and that that's that that was my that's what i took from him that was most of my game yeah he's a tough dude man really good jiu jitsu a lot of people slept on his jiu jitsu and then he went over to uh japan but it was almost like on the tail end of his competing you know when he was over in japan yeah he he wasn't able to really showcase his uh how good he really was didn't he have a bunch of epic fights with pat milotic um i know i mean didn't they have two fights did they have two fights they fought in was it ufc i remember he slept joe stevenson in ufc when joe was like 16. oh yeah and he held on to it the the triangle for too long but i only got to knock out antonio mckee too i i was there that was bad that was a nasty kick nasty kick chris benner was a bad [ __ ] yeah well he's doing jiu jitsu in dallas now right yeah exactly he's out living out in dallas you know he just wanted to change the scenery so he took off and that was good for him and time ago i left for him too that's a beautiful thing about having you know a reputation having a name yeah you know in martial arts world like he does you could just start up a place places and people be like hey [ __ ] chris brennan just moved into town and that guy's businessman i mean he is a very very smart businessman a good jiu jitsu guy his nasty [ __ ] ears though he's got some crazy walid ishmael type ears he knows he's not the most attractive man in the world but if you see his wife she's a beautiful creature i'm sure he's a tough dude i like that guy too he's a nice guy he was training with gerald street ben who's a buddy of mine yeah i know gerald you know gerald yeah you know a lot of dudes and just old old-school people man how did you start fighting um i liked fist fighting i mean that was me and my boy's thing in high school like we all we wanted to fist fight and it wasn't like and we you know we were in this stupid little gang that the cops
called us a gang but we were just a bunch of rich white kids who liked the fist fight and i mean we're talking out of my friends let's say 20 of us 18 of us trained and 10 of us had pro fights we're talking myself shane del rosario robert emerson josh smith oh my god you guys all went out looking for fights justin levins um said yeah imagine imagine yeah we would pull the parties and just push over a lantern i would because i was the smallest one and or i'd go you know hit on someone's girlfriend or go steal cds or something and then some big jock will be like what's up and then of course i'm not the guy to hide i want to jump in front and talk some [ __ ] like hey yeah and then they just kind of see everybody behind me and kind of go um like no okay then all of a sudden why would you want to be that guy i was i don't know i had something to prove i was tiny i just and i liked fist fighting it wasn't like i wanted to you know jump somebody so you weren't even thinking that you were like disturbing people's private lives and and i was i was a interference when i was a kid i was a horrible child i literally was i spent most my life being a horrible person doing a horrible what made you realize that you were that i was a bad person yeah 20 some odd years of doing bad stuff and then just just trying to pull out of it constantly falling back into it trying to pull out of it falling back into it and now i have a kid and now i have for once in my life i have a positive female influence as far as dating goes and i mean it it helps me you know i don't i've literally done everything possible i i think i'm only a [ __ ] psychopath would want to do but i've done just about everything you know i can't really think of besides you know having a man enter me yeah you know but i'm just saying it and i just you know now i got a kid and a career and i'm just i'm trying to settle down and
be a good boy yeah you're it's kind of a wild past for a dude who's like a top level professional athlete you know people listening to this on the podcast you know without getting to know you better i'm like who the [ __ ] is this guy who's one of the best fly weights on the planet i'm the best you're look we've always got to prove it look dudes may on any given night in in the world of high-level mixed martial arts anybody could beat anybody yeah and i thought you'd be dj in the first fight and then you guys well this is i i think and correct me if if you disagree i think that there has to be uh an element of the fight where when some one person is like doing something like really dominant to the other person that's got to count for more yeah like when a guy's got a guy's back like you got his back and you're pounding on him that's gotta count for more than just winning a round all you know barely yeah like if a guy wins around with like strikes and ten more strong three more strikes or the next guy gets into a really good position and does significant damage that's not it's not the same point it's it's a different it doesn't make sense to me the way things are now i think that um you do you know doc hamilton's oh yeah do you like that idea it's a half point idea yeah i like to happen it actually it makes i mean it just it it sounds nice but we have people that have no business judging judging from yes and then like literally let's let's say if i would have won that fight my i wouldn't have gone into some just horrible spiral out of control for the the next year of my ufc career right after my very first fight you know back to just being stupid and doing horrible things to myself do you think you would have done that no that's what i did oh you did after the yes that's why dj kicked my ass a second time that's why joe i didn't do anything to joe when i could have i mean i should have done a lot better both guys said i could have finished them and i just i just i had just a mental bad marriage it's all it was i don't want to get into it right right right
now just in a bad place it was a really bad place and um wasn't performing and it's right we are all top level athletes but i know i'm better than these guys it's just they were better that night they're better performers at this point in time mentally that's what it comes down to is is the mental aspect and you know i'll get back now i'm happy you know i'm finally in a good place i think against joe i was getting there but i wasn't quite there yet i mean physically i'll always be there you know but it's just for me mentally even this last fight um i did great you know but i think i still have steps to get back to where i know i can't be like when i became world champion it was just it just it was just better you know i was just training harder and longer and faster and everything i mean now i'm technically better i think but it's just getting my head there is is still it's still a process but i'm i'm i'm almost there i guess so you you feel like you're a work in progress of course always always yeah do you feel like uh all this [ __ ] that's happened to you all this craziness in your life the mistakes that you've made like in some ways surviving as many mistakes as you have like really creates a very fascinating person because the type of person has as many experiences as you it's a very uh it's a it's a magnetic thing to be around because most people haven't had as many crazy [ __ ] up life experiences and have been you know professional cage fighters at the same time yeah i i i now i'm trying to now becoming a better person for once i'm trying to be that better person i'm trying to uh just show people like this is what this is what i've done i'm a walking example of what not to do right because most likely you're not gonna get back to where i am you know almost like you're either going to become just a normal human being or you're going to die you know like right you'll either calm down yeah or you're going to die yeah and you figure it out on your own or you're on a bad path yeah and i think that for some reason i'm i'm able to i i've been able to do to do that and make get back to greatness and try and do something that no one really ever gets
to do and that's fight in the octagon you know there's very few percentage of people in the world that actually get will ever be able to do this true so now especially your weight class man yeah you know that's a really [ __ ] technical weight class that dj he keeps getting better too every website every time he fights man his uh last fight with moraga was incredible yeah he's so good at like changing where the fight takes place yeah whether it's taking you down kicking you and you think he's going to punch you punch you when you think he's going to kick you and he's he is ever evolving i make fun of him a lot i do because he can't help because yeah he yeah exactly i gotta i gotta chip my shoulder because i thought i beat him and then he beat me up and plus i think he's a nerd but um but he's just such a nice guy is there something wrong with being a nerd no nothing wrong with being a nerd i just can make fun of him because he beat me up one time just let me do that but no he he's the guy is he's at first people gave him so much guff because he just wasn't performing but now he's getting better he's getting the point where the strides he's making are making it actually exciting and the adoring public is actually uh not being such douchebags they're learning the sport and realizing that that's that's art right there yeah you know he's painting a [ __ ] masterpiece you know especially compared to these big guys not to say that anything against big guys but we're doing a lot more than they are yeah it's well it's definitely a different game the the pace is faster it's uh more technical there's very little room for error yeah you know like he caught moraga and that guillotine there was no room it's just like just snatched it up you know it's uh it's really kind of an interesting um difference between watching the the smallest weight class and watching the largest weight class the room for error it's incredible the gameplay game's a lot bigger oh my god i mean if you we've never seen a heavyweight that moves like like a flyweight it doesn't exist you know it doesn't exist no it's a completely different experience watching
the the lighter wear glasses it's like you guys are like hummingbirds you're like moving at such a faster pace you know it's it's i mean even just to to fight at that pace yeah i mean you got to be on point because if you're one step behind i mean it's just a constant just like dj got caught by moraga big time in that fourth round it's a perfect example of that i mean dj was not getting hit by anything he was just moving like a ghost he was in and out and when you thought he was coming in he was coming out i mean it was a beautiful performance and then boom hits hard he hits hard you know it's hard but even the point is like you get any time it can come yeah any time a big one can clip you yeah that's the craziest thing about the sport isn't it yeah there's really nothing like that it's so rare in boxing for things to turn around out of nowhere with one shot it doesn't happen that often like later you know in a fight when you see it in mma that it can happen at any moment with those little gloves yeah it just slips right through i bet people really don't get is that defense even having your defense has to be perfect yeah because those little gloves fit through the smallest holes and they make they make they make those holes bigger it's not just like a boxing glove where it's a blunt object that's just kind of expanding yeah on impact you know yeah there's much less give yeah they slide through things especially when they get all greased up sweating up like the todd duffy mike russell fight is a fight that i always point to if you never saw that fight if you've never seen that fight it is one of like it's a historical mma fight yeah they play that for young fighters they go this is what can happen this guy [ __ ] looks like superman three rounds yeah three rounds of horrific beating broke his arm yeah russell had a broken arm and then at a with no hint whatsoever that it was going to take place before this it wasn't like he had tagged him a couple of times it looked like he had him staggered a few times like he's coming back he's getting just destroyed and plus
it's duffy is a is a physical specimen that guy's huge and and mike not so much yeah mike is looks like he what he is he's a chicago cop exactly she's a tough [ __ ] guy no doubt about it super tough [ __ ] god but that punch was like one of the quickest it was out of nowhere yeah it turned the whole fighter out bang he had him hurt and boom he was out like what the hell like how is that even possible i mean especially at that weight you know when you have when you have two guys that are 250 pounds hitting each other that hard i mean that that is frightening i'm terrified and and i see where the heavyweight you know my roommate chandra rosario to see him move and he's fast you know he's very fast he hasn't been able to you know to really show how good he really is but man that guy can move and it's i mean it is it scares the crap i mean he can hold pads for me that's how fast he is wow and i mean i i'll go for you know 30 minutes straight yeah he moves really well and he's at that weight of heavyweight where there's like a point of diminishing returns a lot of people believe there's an argument about it at least and that argument is about like 240. like anything bigger than like cain velasquez you get tired too easy yeah exactly you know but you know then but then for a while there was like people thought it was like when brock lesnar like first burst on the scene people like oh [ __ ] you got to get way bigger man that's what frank yeah got way bigger dude shane carwin got way bigger those dudes got way bigger they're like [ __ ] that dude look if that's your game if your game is you know tuck your face in between your shoulders and plow forward if that's your game man you better be built like that guy trying to just hulk smash people yeah it's i don't know man it doesn't work out so well yeah well it's when you watch a fight like carwin versus lesnar which is an all-time classic fight but you see how quick carwin gasses out like to the point where he's dead it's like one round within runway it's like you well first i think he said it was also that he was so fired up with so much adrenaline he couldn't believe he thought he was winning he thought the fight was over he
thought he was going to win the fight right there now and he was beating on him for a long time so i mean that's that's that's going to take not just 10 seconds if i thought i won it was yeah a couple minutes so i thought i won and he was sprinting i mean it was two minutes of sprinting yeah and literally after it was over brock survived and he was done like he couldn't even get up out of his stool i was like his whole body like completely shut down it's crazy to watch yeah but you watch a body like that that's when you go okay how big is too big because that might be too big like you gotta someone's gonna figure this out like scientifically yeah we gotta figure out what it's i i don't know anything about crossfit but my my roommate he runs rv sport for ruka and he went to go sponsor some guys and talk to some people and watch it and and i always thought crosstalk guys were douchebags i i don't know i just always hear him yelling and screaming i hear supply he's like no dude they're really positive they're cool guys and the the apparently like the perfect weight for them is like 185 200 pounds for what they do and that's which is i don't even really know that stupid weights yeah those guys it's a stupid way i mean i don't see stupid like dumb i mean like like like holy [ __ ] i've seen this a little guy was like 165 pounds and he was doing cleans with uh i think it was cleans with a 120 pound kettlebell he was a little he was not a big guy he was doing this clean practice over and over again with this it was more than a hundred pound kettlebell it was ridiculous whatever the [ __ ] it was yeah he was doing it for reps i was like this is incredible i've i can we got a 200 we have multiple stones we got 125 pound stone at uh at my strength conditioning place god damn you know roll it up on my legs and i can pop pop but it's just a stone it's just that's i think that's where i get my suplexes from but i would think it probably would help you a lot man but i mean i can i can get up the two i think it's 250 240. i can get that up and do it maybe five times but i mean it's it's it's getting it up and onto your lap is the hardest part i can explode probably 400 pounds off my hips as a professional athlete isn't it fascinating to see like how much things
have changed as far as like the way they train athletes the ideas behind it if you go back like if you're a student of the game and you go back just like 20 30 years like these like angelo dundees tell fighters to not lift weights yeah they used to tell them a lot a lot of weights it was going to slow you down yeah they just didn't they just they didn't know they didn't understand they didn't know well it does slow you down in that if you lift weights and you're sore the next day you're going to be slower and then the was like ah it's slowing you down but then mackie shilstone comes along and trains evander holyfield to go up to heavyweight yeah and all of a sudden heavy he's like a real heavyweight yeah he was like 205 or something like that like not too big no but he was big enough and he was got swole he got [ __ ] he was whoa oh my god was he jacked and he was about 40 holyfield how old was he when he went up to heavyweight he started out as a cruiserweight right because he fought dwight kawi that was like a 195 right that's cruiserweight and then when he went up to heavyweight was it mackie shells don't work with him it did right because he worked with uh with he worked with spinx right yeah he worked with uh michael spanx when he was bulking spinx up to be a heavyweight to fight tyson and larry holmes that was when he burst into the scene he was like one of those first guys that was they were realizing back in the day like we got to do things a little different here we can't just do curls mirenovich yes i mean that guy's in san clemente and i've never had a run-in with him but all my friends have and all my coaches and he apparently he's just very set in his ways i guess we'll say but i mean that he was an originator of of so much crazy stuff i mean look at the sun like i mean that didn't turn out like it should have well his son was under a tremendous for people who don't know the whole story i don't know his son's name because i'm not a football fan what is his son's name um todd todd todd and uh there's a good documentary on it and marinovich is like a crazy strength and fitness guy and
he's the guy who got b.j penn in the best shape of his life when bj fan fought diego sanchez and when he fought sean pan i think those are the two times sean penn sean jesus christ right after i said it i'm like yeah that's right he fought sean cherk and he fought uh diego and i think that bj was like one of the best fighters i've ever seen in my life that's my elite that that's my the guy i've always looked up to the most because that was he was old school and people fee he made joe stevenson cry he beat a man up so bad that he was crying in the [ __ ] corner b j penn was a [ __ ] man for a long time yeah that's the kind of fighter i wanted i want to get myself too because when people need to fear people you know i want to be [ __ ] feared because then people you know you beat them up and they cry in the corner that that's that makes me feel well it's all i mean look what do you i mean that's that's the path you're on you're on the path to excellence and the people fear the scariest most excellent fighters i mean there's no really disguising what's the sports about exactly sports about victory it's about beating the other man it's about imposing your martial arts skills and you really you can't get great at that and not be scary as [ __ ] it's part of the program well exactly it brings out the most primal yes urges in us that that i you know i want to kill something and eat it with you know eat with my bare hands i want to like you know i want to just be the you know king stink i want to be the the head monkey you know i do i want to be able to do that do you think you have that extra bad from growing up small oh yeah because i always wanted to prove myself my parents especially my mom i think my dad really cared but um because he always knew i was you know i was i could do it my mom wanted to show everybody else that i do every single sport and you're good at it oh wow cause i was i was good at everything i mean how much did you weigh when you're in high school i wrestled 103 103 112 119 but i got into high school at 100 pounds wow but
then again i've been doing kung fu san soo my whole life i had a black belt in that which you don't compete it's i learned how and i was the bill legging was my sifu he was he just i was his protege and he's like i'm going to teach you things that i'm i don't teach other kids okay you have this red zone around you okay if they would get in within arms length of you they're a problem you need to hit them i got you know in a threatening manner and i i got you know did i would punch kids in the throat elbows you know i was i learned arm you know armbar kind of stuff back then kick jump kick you know in the face the groin like i got kicked out of all the best private schools so it was always people [ __ ] with you and you defending yourself against [ __ ] or was you being an [ __ ] sometimes um a lot of the time it started out as me wanting to beat up the bullies that's how it turned into me being like you know what [ __ ] those guys i want to beat up every bully i see right and i did it you know like i got kicked out of my high school one year for beating up some cholo for picking on my friend's uh um mentally handicapped cousin down syndrome and i beat the [ __ ] out of it what kind of a world is it will you get in trouble for that and what what happened was i i beat him up and then i felt someone grab me so of course i thought one of his friends and i turned around and like swept the person on the ground and it was one of the proctors one of the female proctors and oh and i ran away oh you swept her and i just you know just kind of try to kid style sweep the leg yeah just turn around and like because i she grabbed me from you know one side and i put my my arm out on the chest and just swept the leg that's so dangerous to grab someone in the middle of a fight and she probably wouldn't even think that because she's probably not a violent person yeah she was super nice she just i i had to be pulled out of school my coach pulled me out of school three out of the four years from freshman sophomore junior year because after wrestling season i would just [Music] so you needed the the discipline of
wrestling to keep you in check oh yeah that's the only that that i'm i owe my life to a small group of people and reza betty my old wrestling coach is one of them and that i mean that guy saved me yeah isn't it it's an amazing thing how many people have been saved by the diversity that comes from something like that whether it's boxing or mma or wrestling or jiu-jitsu for me it was taekwondo yeah it's like i just i needed something i needed some some form of discipline yeah something that can i can like enjoy and i can attack it and i can get really good at it and it gives me a calmness because most boys like people who are not boys don't remember it i guess when they get older and or they forget because they have problems their own they don't want to deal with it when you're like 15 16 years old you're [ __ ] crazy yeah your body's bouncing around hormones are flying through your system you're walking around a murderer your dick is just hard all the time and you're crazy you're basically almost a man yeah and you're like thinking i'm kind of [ __ ] almost a man and i was out beating up guys that were in college so bad so i was i was you know i thought i was [ __ ] super cool i was out stealing my dad's supras which we built you know built supra or other cars and i would steal those and he knows whatever um you know i was living you know living in south orange county and just just getting away with whatever i wanted my parents i was too fast for them so i you know that and they were going through their own stuff you know right so of course you know like i just was off on my own just being crazy and i mean i started smoking weed when i was like eight years old that's a good you know start so it was yeah it's not six yeah that's eight hate sounded good and it wasn't like it was a bad influence you know it was just just happened and it i mean i thought crazy yeah so it's eight years old you're smoking weed god damn that's so crazy i'd go to school and kids be like oh my god my dad let me have a sip of beer and i was like i drank a 40 and took four foot bong rips god how old were you you know going through like middle school or whatever and kids just i mean didn't understand i
mean i'd be in private school and i wouldn't i never you know i was always you know you know you don't you don't talk about stuff like that especially you don't want to get in trouble so of course i always kept my mouth shut but you know i was i was a degenerate at a young age you know it was just it was just in me to just i wanted to be the bad guy i wanted to have that fun and where where do you think that came from dude when you think about it now when you're trying to be a calm guy and you have a kid and your your career is on track and you like you reflect back to like your wildest [ __ ] like what makes you think i had you know i had a great upbringing literally that's hilarious i did this all to myself right my parents are awesome people sure they went through a divorce but that that doesn't let me stop you right there because i think it's really difficult to understand or underestimate the negative impact of being bullied can have on a person yeah it's it's huge you know and people say like that it's it's not like being molested or abused and i say [ __ ] i say it's probably pretty close to a lot of guys yeah for i mean it's not it's might not be the physical humiliation of someone forcing you to have sex but the the physical intimidation aspect of it is terrifying and it changes your perception of reality when you're around that person there's constant danger you're gonna get swatted you're gonna get pushed you're gonna get compromised it's a terrible terrible thing and it could [ __ ] with people and it can turn people into depressed people who want to kill themselves because of that because they can't take the pain anymore yeah and people don't realize it when they're doing it i don't think i think you know they're probably bullied at home or you know someone bullied them and you know they're insecure they're beaten or whatever the [ __ ] it is so they go to school and they just [ __ ] down on some little kid yeah but man i've seen it have devastating impacts on people i mean i yeah exactly i mean did you see it in high school and what i what i always did is in high school was i would pick on the bullies or pick on the cool kids because because you know the class
president types i was i was just like i just like talking [ __ ] too it was just it was fun yeah i i always had a big mouth i got pretty lucky with not getting the [ __ ] beaten out of me in high school yeah well see the only time i ever got really beat up i think in street fights was because obviously i picked my battles i know you know i know i can beat that guy up i'm small you know but like i would always try and test it but i got you know we used to go as groups me and my friends we would go beat up a bunch of skinheads in the next neighboring town like all the time right i got booted and you know booted by those guys twice at del taco and went to the house party but you know it's you get beat up i get beat up on national tv now it's not that bad but i mean when you're getting beat up i mean especially as a kid getting beat up by by a bully by someone in front of other people and that like humiliating it's it's horrible and that's why i would always try and stick up for the kids getting getting bullied and it's also at a time in your life when you're the most vulnerable it's really hard for you to really understand what's going on in life and you know people make a lot of terrible mistakes at those young ages and i think one of them is actually being a bully yeah you know i mean i think that that that kind of karma like pushing out in that direction you're a 10 year old [ __ ] yeah i want to punch you in the face yeah i i started getting into martial arts just because i was scared i just wanted people to be scared of me i don't want to i didn't want to do anything like i wasn't i didn't want to start fights i just wanted everybody to be scared of me i wanted to be wolverine [Laughter] you got the look yes yeah it's um it's a weird thing but the the interesting aspect of it is that i'm a huge mma fan and i don't think you have mma if you don't have bullies true it's really kind of [ __ ] up but one of the things i mean it's not everybody but god damn a lot of them have been bullied like i don't know if jon jones has been bullied but i do know that jon jones has a bigger brother and they used to go at it in the house all
the time so like that's it's not bullied because it's not dangerous i mean it's like your brother but it's still like you got to fight all the time oh my brother used to beat the crap out of me my oldest brother tom he was kind of a dick he was he was a bully but he's you know he's like 15 years older than me my brother brad who fought professionally before there was anything you know like i told you he fought in a fan and stuff and he was 5-0 or five and one or six and one you said we trained the tenth planet no yeah he trained there yeah i trained with eddie at 10th and 10th but we know we were at next generation and and our when we would get mad at each other i mean we would be at the gym and i'm sure he you know he never probably really let me have it but he used to beat the crap out of me when i was i was 15 getting beat up by grown men by the brennan and the adam lynn's and my brother and jeremy it's it sucked man but that [ __ ] sucks yeah it was horrible it was it was but it made me the fighter i am now yeah but that's almost i mean i'm not encouraging bullies in any stretch of the imagination but george st pierre was bullied yeah the greatest fighter of all time he's one of the all-time greats but yeah by far i don't know about anderson silva but i i would like to know i wonder whether the voice like that i mean he for sure was in a dangerous area growing up yeah it seems like those days like uh it's funny just like watching those old fights and those shoot the box guys would all come in like a gang yeah they were exactly what the oldest [ __ ] i mean fighting in like backyards going from grass to concrete to stucco wall yeah those swearing like when you go like you look at the the early days of uh pride and you see like van der ley and shogun and ninja like god damn they were scariest [ __ ] wild ass brazilian dudes trying to step on your face oh yeah like trying to just and there's not a drug test to be had son they were pretty open about it back then i mean i've heard things from you know there they were like hey like guys guess what like we don't we don't test for steroids yeah well they tell you to get
on them too i had a friend who they he was 170 and they wanted him to go to 185. we give you steroids that's they were just like ready to go they were just going gangster i mean they you know in a lot of ways i was really happy that pride existed and that it was as wild as it was because they put together [ __ ] that no one would ever sanction like minotauro versus bob sapp yeah when bob sapp was 370 plus like people don't realize that that's real he was 370 [ __ ] pounds hung man choi like bringing these just these oddities out yeah just like what that was that the big fat black guy from brazil um zuluino or whatever yes i mean and he could freaking fight but he was you just did they just see these well he was zulu's son yeah they they see the japanese see things differently they just see entertainment you know they see a black guy and they're like oh he's got to be entertaining that's why he's here you know like you get quentin like they love him over there well clinton also had some sick anyways yeah i'm just saying they they just the japanese they have the niche that they like and they just make it the weirdest craziest [ __ ] they can yeah anybody who complains about quentin rampage jackson you are not an mma fan if you complain about rampage i don't care where he's at now i don't care whatever stop go back and watch those pride fights and shut the [ __ ] up because badass his fight with kevin randleman yeah incredible fight his fight with orona was one of the highlight all-time slams in the history of mma that's when he was with my coach oyama oh yeah yeah yeah rampage was a beast man oh yama had him throwing more leg kicks he hit him doing a lot of different things than he's doing he became like a real power puncher after a while just you know i'm look rampage can still knock out anyone in the world if he catches anyone in the world they're [ __ ] going to sleep he has hammers that right hook that he hit chuckled with i'll never forget that punch he ju he ducked away chuck through a left and he came over the top of the right but whatever it was i think chuck was pawn with his jab maybe he's trying to set up
the right whatever it was rampage hit him with either i think it was a counter right hook they i know they were circling i can see the camera here now i barely remember chuck's one of my best friends so that's that's it's ingrained in my brain you know but see i think they're circling left and then of course you know they something he threw that right hook and boom that was rampage had that ridiculous one punch power that van der ley fights another example god damn he uncorked that left hook on the button they're going nine-nine you know nobody had ever done i mean krokop he hit him a gang of times before he flatlined him he he was lighting van der ley up in that fight because the first time they fought it was an incredible fight but cro cop just really wasn't good on the ground yet no his takedown defense wasn't there very little very little and they had a strange rules fight where it was like you could only stay on the ground for a little bit of time it was like a minute or something it's like short periods some short period so cro cop would just lock them up in a guard and try to hang on i don't know what rules they had it was a weird rule thing it was pride they did everything but then in the second fight krokop had had a few mma fights and he got his timing down and that was when crow cop was crow cop he was dangerous that was a scary man i mean again one of the scariest tools to ever exist ever in mma that he knocked out multiple people with and you know the thing about crow cop is i feel like ufc fans again don't appreciate the majesty or that was crow copying his prime we got him after a long career a hard career against fedor and against josh barnett i mean he fought some [ __ ] battles so when by the time we got him in the ufc he had been in quite a few like real real wars and think of all the heavyweight kickboxing fights he had yeah exactly yeah he fought a lot of k1 fights against the top guys high level high level guys that mark hunt fight it's a classic one man classic they had some wars in in k1 man people had i mean he was in the mix with some of the best fighters in the world
over there you got you know you got the banjowski and a small small alistar um peter eurez you know the tyrone spawns like the the dutch group of kickboxers the heavyweights are i mean and these guys have like 100 heavyweight fights 200 heavyweight fights i mean this is insane i mean someone my size okay you have 200 tie fights in thailand it's still it's still pretty gnarly it's it's more than it's crazy but i mean double the size and almost the same amount of fights i mean that's that's that's just that's completely yeah it's incredible i mean dude had 29 kickboxing fights on record on record and then 41 mma fights god damn yeah yeah he had some great [ __ ] k1 fights too man really fun k see he was one of the best guys to come over even though he wasn't one of the best k1 guys he was like just below the the elite of the elite like it wasn't just below like the grand prix winners yeah exactly before he did win a grand prix recently yeah right it was in uh was the european one or something yeah something like that i'll i'll find out and give him the credit he deserves but um when he uh when he came over he was he had the one thing that a lot of people didn't have ridiculous speed and explosion and he had like i think he had a karate background right i i think he started like i'm sure that was a long one like john claude van damme movies or something like that and learned how to kick that way and then got it something crazy like that i believe i believe that that's like how it got started i think he like was a jean-claude van damme fan and then got into karate from that but his [ __ ] kicks are so unusual like angled speed the speed was ridiculous and he's got i mean horse legs like those things are huge so of course those those kicking you in the face is going to not feel good and he again i mean it was like he had that weight it was like you know 2 30-ish 228 he said yeah 228 is what he like the average that he weighed when he was in his prime and it was just scary fast
when he knocked out bob sapp bob sapp was three [ __ ] 70. and marco crow cop no you right-handed or left-handed straight left to the eye socket remember broke his okay and then yeah yeah he broke his eye socket i think he kicked him before that okay i mean i remember a kick to the body that yeah see if he can find that see if he could find uh crow cop versus bob sapp because that was one of crow cops best fights and he was it was a kickboxing fight too you know that was back when this was a guy bob sapp who had beaten ernesto who's who most people think was the greatest ever or one of the top 10 guys ever for sure yeah i shouldn't say the greatest ever like even dutch guys say but it's kind of between him when he's in his prime or like uh rob cayman or uh or of course ramon decker's but deckers gets the most credit because he fought the lightest guy exactly i read that roman decker's look at this look at this [ __ ] dude this is bob sapp versus merkel crow cop merco is literally almost 200 pounds lighter than him he's actually a hundred he's a probably no [ __ ] 150 pounds lighter than him easily which is incredible and i mean he's he just sucks man and he's chasing crow cop around and he gets a hold of him and he's like trying to rabbit punch him like he's trying to dirty box him he just wants to club me to death he's that big he just has to to lay one on you and you're in your body but merkel was strong enough and fast enough to keep him off which is the difference between his style and ernesto hoost though ernesto who's the better kickboxer look technically than merco oh yeah what makes merco so dangerous in mma is that he's explosive and it'll dart in and blast you he'll take a chance yeah and do something wild where a guy with something hard yeah some ridiculous [ __ ] not just a feeler i mean that that's he wants to yeah he will go after you oh i forgot he got ball clipped he got ball clipped it looks like or something happened there very rarely do you get pokes in pride too that's another interesting thing this is actually a kickboxing fat fingers on yeah
fat fingers and apparently the way it's designed it makes you uh curl your hand more uh keep it curled whereas the ufc ones do you feel that the ufc ones make your hands straighten out i never thought about it i'll have to check that out next time well they say that the pride ones were like curved they had like a curve actually yeah they're actually bent curve where the ufc ones are straight yeah and as as you especially as a fight goes on you relax your hands maybe a little bit like that would be a time where the pride one would be better because it would keep them kind of curved that makes sense oh so he hit him with a body shot there back that up i'm talking too much people who listening to this and watching this are getting two totally different experiences because uh i don't even know who has the uh see there's the body shot boom left kick to the body and straight left to the face marco krokov was a [ __ ] savage back then man he was one of the most dangerous guys as far as like sniper strikers yeah and then came into mma and fought in pride holy [ __ ] with some great fights his knockouts and pride are some of the all-time greatest highlight reel head kick knockouts seriously the same thing yeah ego of chance bloom alexander million ankle bloom just blasting dudes with that head kick that russian dude dos carlos with the he came in with the luther libre mask on head kick yeah he was trained with marco huas for that fight and i remember thinking like dude this guy's gonna die oh because you know marco was in our it was it was in our area and i had some friends that trained over there and uh i remember just like i would stop in there every once in a while and i was just like man this guy's this guy's this guy might might actually die on this one yeah he was amazing man merkel when he at at that level that's like when he was at his very best it was either before he was challenging fedor right right after it was somewhere in that area where it was him chasing after fedor couldn't quite beat that guy you know that guy was the best at that time at that time you know still one of my all-time favorites especially now like now that you know you've had a chance to like
look at his career and uh perspective because you know he's decided to step back i've been watching some of his old fights like i've watched the best of pride and uh you watch some of the crazy ones oh my god he was he was a risk-taking [ __ ] man as a heavyweight champ a risk-taking [ __ ] just he he wanted to go in there and he wanted to to finish you know no matter what he wanted and he wanted to just violently take just crush you and he would i mean it just seemed like he had that super killer instinct that i mean is rare he was incredible yeah he was i mean he was so aggressive and explosive and yet unassuming yeah it was the weirdest thing 230 pounds yeah 20 pounds if not not buff at all almost like a chubby kid yeah not even a little buff and just like i mean he could move yeah that guy was fast and he hit with you know he hit like a had a brick on the end of his hand and it was crazy because he really started off as a grappler yeah but somewhere along the line he became one of the scariest strikers in mma and one of the guys who was the most successful striking like his fight with crow cop was basically a kickboxing fight yeah they stood the whole time yeah i mean there was a few exchanges on the ground where he was inside a crow cubs guard but for the most part it was a kickboxing bout that he won yeah exactly yeah and he just kept crow cop backing up he kept coming forward and he's always dangerous you know and there was fights where he had to come back too like um the fight against fujita where he got clipped remember that fight he did the uh he did the chicken dance yeah he did the chicken dance and then you know 15 seconds later fujita's out yeah you know randleman slammed him and then literally just swept him and that kimura that reverse uh armbar whatever it is that was beautiful and it was like the seconds after getting slammed on his head and one of the most ridiculous suplexes ever attempted in mma yeah and random if you never saw random and fight random was probably the biggest freak athlete to ever get into mma i know that's like a big statement
no that guy is a ball of of of alpha of alpha yeah he is just i mean he could do things physically like a whole like like the whole like the hulk if the hulk was real yeah that's him he would go into the octagon before fights and do this thing where he would jump up in the air just to kind of freak you out and he would literally jump to the top of the octagon it was one of the weirdest things you've ever seen in your life like you couldn't believe a human could jump that high and he's not not he's not that tall but wide and just long he's probably is he five eleven or six feet tall maybe five eleven i'd say and unbelievably muscular in his prime yeah i mean he was a superhero he had a 26-inch waist he looked like wolverine yeah like if wolverine was a real person he had that build yeah and god damn that [ __ ] could move rennamon would take guys down and take guys down with these powered doubles like launch them through the air like he was launching hundreds of pounds he he was and then you know those big looping setup hooks that he would feel like he knocked out cops yeah inaudible jumped from halfway across the ring ridiculous explosiveness athleticism power speed off the charts but seemed like there was only bursts where he really applied himself you know yeah i feel like that's one of the curses it seems like for like these ultra ultra talented guys it's like almost it comes too easy and it's almost like guys that have to i've always said like if you want to learn technique like enemies like trying to learn jiu jitsu learn from a light guy yeah learn from a guy who had a struggle and really learn how to do it correctly you learned from some kevin random and type cat like that guy can do [ __ ] you can't do man like he's still getting around that you're gonna do it he's just gonna can opener you all day yeah let's just forget that we to figure out another way to approach this because you guys are different with dealing with two different kinds of vehicles that guy's got a [ __ ] ferrari yeah he can do crazy [ __ ] you can't do that you gotta think yeah yeah ford aspire aren't gonna
but it's weird that a lot of those guys that are like super ultra talented for whatever reason they don't achieve the same results that a lot of the guys that are are like almost it's it's an uphill battle the entire way but along the way they develop these incredible skills like like perfect example of a guy who had very few physical gifts and didn't even take care of his health was jeremy horn yeah you know and jeremy horn would eat shitty ass food he was never yoked he didn't live to wait in his life 200 [ __ ] goddamn jeremy horn had a lot of fights and he very rarely got hurt yeah very rare he got chuck the chuck fight was like the only fight where he got hurt that was a bugger that was sad it was a bludgeoning it was a different shock it was a different shock and jeremy didn't belong in that weight class there was already a weight class below that he should have been competing at 85. it was like a money thing it was a hype thing you know well yeah it was like chuck's first loss yeah it was a fun fight um the first fight was interesting because uh jeremy caught chuck with an arm triangle from the bottom and put him to sleep which never happens it's so rare and if you know how [ __ ] strong chocolate del is that's when that becomes really incredible yeah because chuck is a [ __ ] savage he is a very big very very strong man people don't know i was like in person i saw some of his greatest victories yeah like the tito fights and babalu fights and um uh just you could think of there's so many of them back to the random been fighting another great fight chuck had a way of going after dudes like the the first tito knockout that [ __ ] series of hammers he threw he was a terrifying guy man terrifying yeah especially for tito that time because tito knew yeah it was common yeah was coming he knew that it was only going to get worse with no pads on yeah you know antidote doesn't he doesn't like getting hit and he he's just that kind of guy who you know i mean well break under that kind of pressure i think most people will but i mean he just he wilted pretty bad well it was just a terrible matchup for him
at that time and i think tito was already having some back problems yeah i think tito's back had been [ __ ] with him for a while i mean you got to think he had a real powerful style you know tito had this really aggressive attacking style and the only way to [ __ ] feed that [ __ ] is you got to work it like that in the gym yeah you know and i'm sure if he fought the way he fought and if he if he trained for those kind of fights i bet his training was every bit as [ __ ] brutal and that's an incredible amount of punishment for your body that's not my coach is the one who who had him there and he just i mean that guy trained his ass off from what my coach has said yeah he uh colin says that colin's been around forever yeah he's super old school i mean old school respect yeah yeah we got an old school team man [ __ ] yeah you do i mean to go from like tito's early days you know and that dude went hard man and i'll tell you what you know people i don't think tito ortiz gets enough respect no people realize that during his era he was incredibly dominant even if he lost to chuck ladau or whoever he lost to during tito's era when he was on top when he beat evan tanner when it when he slammed him and ko'd him rest in peace evan tanner yeah when you know when he beat ken shamrock and granted these are not the best fighters in the world at the time ken had already had a long career and had a lot of damage and his acls were [ __ ] up you know but he it does it doesn't matter tito was [ __ ] dominant when he would get his hands on you he was so so strong get you down with you know with clean wrestling and then hit me like maybe he didn't punch that hard on the feet but when he got on top of you oh yeah oh man he was putting all of his weight in the elbows all of his weight into the punches and i mean he was just on point with that in my opinion he's like a pioneer of ground and pound inside the guard definitely because he's one of the best at doing it inside the guard like everybody i say like if i see someone doing a ground and pound thing in the guard i always think well this guy would do better if he would get out of this position yeah not tito tito would [ __ ] smash guys from
inside their guard and i think we learned a lot about horsepower in those fights yeah that if you got that kind of horsepower there's certain there's like most dudes have a 320 horsepower engine and you know if you're in there with a dude like tito tv's got a 500 horsepower engine okay and you're not going to hold on to one with your legs yeah your sweaty ass tired legs are not going to keep that animal [ __ ] slamming elbows in your face but it's just that was his time and everybody's time is very limited in that sport of course yeah we all have a very limited shelf life i mean we're we're going to go back yeah even i mean even chuck who was one of the most durable guys ever yeah at a certain point in time he had to be like you know what that's that we're gone yeah i mean that that your body gives out that button gets pushed too much whatever it is yeah and it just you know one day it you know we most of us want to go out on our shield you know so that's just how it ends and it's not that bit it's not always pretty you know it's interesting the the volume of strikes that you guys deal with in the flyweight division it's got to be higher than by far than any other division right have you ever has anybody ever compiled it and try to see like what the the volume of strikes is that's a good uh someone do that on the ug someone uh someone figured out someone probably already has i'm on it crunching numbers i got the data there's probably dudes out there that remember yeah the rain man i only young driving on the weekends but i just the amount of like actual beats that actually go on whether it's movement steps strikes landed and the accelerated aspect of that in comparison to maybe other weight classes where they don't move as much i wonder if uh that has an impact on you know your body getting to a certain point and just saying all right we're good yeah i landed the fourth most late kicks in ufc history oh my god that's what helwani told me in your last fight yeah 43. holy [ __ ] god damn it which i don't know i don't want to kick harder because if i land 43 kicks someone should not be walking i'm just thinking about 43 kicks hitting
your leg and that was just the body that was just the legs i got a couple of the body and cup of the head i think oh i covered each person from a muay thai gym i know you do listen i love your footwork too man you're you're a fun guy to watch it's constant excitement and uh your last fight was [ __ ] badass i wish i was there yeah it was a lot of fun did you fight in brazil is that where it was yeah once again what was that like oh man i love brazil and i went out of my way to to make the fans appreciate me and not hate me i was the only non-amer non-brazilian that didn't get booed at weigh-ins oh that's beautiful and and you know and of course i knew i would get buddha in the fight because there's right of course fifteen thousand twenty thousand angry brazilians and they where do they stay they they they chant you're gonna die you know what i think though man undeniably you're one of the best fighters in the world thank you and undeniably they're mixed martial arts fans yeah those people when they see a top contender in his weight class they appreciate it i mean there's a few guys that have said stupid [ __ ] like chill son and yeah jail sonic can't go to [ __ ] brazil like if chael ever look chael's not the type to come to me for advice yeah but if he ever came to me for advice and he said hey uh joe they're offering me a fight against the brazil vitor belford in brazil do i go [ __ ] no you don't go no don't eat the food don't go and i'm not saying brazilian people would poison you don't get me wrong but one of them might [ __ ] they're [ __ ] they have a lot of pride they're the most intense fans and i like it i enjoy it i was chanting you're gonna die along with him how does it what is it the words to that again i think it's it's m-a-r-r-a somewhere somewhere around there or something like that yeah and they they just i mean even in australia american fans you gotta get your act together you guys you guys are half half really knowledgeable but quiet and the other loud half are douchebags and are just drunk but like
other other countries they might be douchebags but they're all doing it at once like you know they they just become one giant entity of energy that's just going [ __ ] crazy in it god i love that [ __ ] man there's nothing like brazil for that nothing like it it's it's a really life-changing experience they first of all they're there for the first fight an hour early exactly an hour early the place is packed to the gills they're singing songs and [ __ ] i'm not joking right yeah it's incredible you can hear it in the back and you're like wow they have [ __ ] passion and they're so successful if you look at brazil in the international mma scene i mean [ __ ] across the board from the old days the very first one hoist gracie to go over just all these different dudes that are anderson shogun you know just all throughout the list fabricio verdu everywhere van der ley silva of course you know and jesus christ so many jiu jitsu guys all those so many i mean so many yeah there's so many and they're still coming they're they're coming more and more and more you've seen these guys from whether it's uh novo and yao or you know all the different teams there's a [ __ ] gang of them over there yeah and we when we were down there i didn't get to see it but my coach and and a few of the guys went to go one of the into x-gym to watch sparring and jiva got jiva my jiu-jitsu coach um d with the arm collector santana yeah he got you know he like the guy didn't like the guy they just go super hard the guy hit him with like a spinning heel kick and him in the ribs and just like separated the rib or something or hurt him and uh and they're like man those guys they they're fighting yeah like they they are going they're trying to knock each other out like jacqueline knocked some dude out and woke him up and the guy kept sparring oh my god you know like they're they're it's like and of course if you can survive that you're gonna survive a fight you know i mean that they're doubt they're tough their weight they build a tougher product than i think anywhere else in the world do you think it's just the extreme poverty that's close by that you're getting a lot of like real intense like need to get the [ __ ] out of
there and elevate your position and this is an opportunity to become anderson silva exactly to be yeah to be elvis intercontinental baller you know by far i think they they see it and they know that that's where you know the humble beginnings they started at yeah so they see it and it just makes sense there's a straight path yeah straight path there's no i mean there's you just know where to go you know such a high level of competition there it's really interesting to see but you know what in america you can say the same thing there's such a high level of competition everywhere in mma there is it's it's amazing it's an amazing time where you're seeing high level females yeah you know you're seeing like really high level mma fights that are that are happening in female division they're going to have to expand female divisions yeah we have a one of my training partners to grow up my gym that's the invicted champ carlos barza and i mean she is she's [ __ ] badass she is i see her beat dudes up all the time and i mean she is [ __ ] mean yeah she's [ __ ] bad i mean like in the gym i've had i've had to crack her hard and just be like be like hey jesus like stop it she's trying to kill you yeah like i told you once i told you twice if you do that again i'm going i'm going to drop you do you feel like you're in a john wayne movie when that [ __ ] happens we gotta smack a [ __ ] and go hey hey i know you've been [ __ ] up some dudes if you ain't [ __ ] up me i'm not trying to [ __ ] you up i'm just just just i'm we're trying to go over technique carla don't hit me that hard but pop and i hit her back she go i'm sorry i'm like okay well some people get really intense man really but that's you know obviously it's it's a style of training and some people disagree with it like they think that like to shoot box it up you're gonna punch your car too many times before you even get into it yeah into a ring or a cage or headgear that's yeah that's what i do but does that really make an impact because they say that head gear even though you don't get cut is up as much you're you're still it's the impact on the brain the actual impact doesn't change it gets cushioned
a bit yeah but it almost rattles you more that could be true i i don't know i just i just you know i'm no scientist yeah i i have some gentlemen don't take my i have no idea i just it it it keeps it makes me think i'm protected yeah so i'll wear it well and also do you do you practice uh training with guys that you could trust do you like it or do you train with anybody train with anybody no no we we we've got we've got a tight-knit team it's an interesting thing isn't it that mma over like maybe the past like decade or so has really developed a way to professionally approach things whereas there was a lot of variation just 10 years ago in in training methods and a lot of people did a lot of stupid [ __ ] when we we've got you know we bring in wrestlers you know i have we have the wrestling coaches that bring in wrestlers that work with me i have the guys that are on the team but then i also have guys that are just muay thai you know like romeo danza is my you know he the guy's one of the best u.s kickboxers of all time you know and people don't know who he is he fights 115 pounds but he'll sleep at any heavyweight out there i promise you the guy he's he's incredible what is his name again romeo danza and is he going to fight mma or just no time he's he's just muay thai you know he's he's had a bad string of luck the past couple fights but i mean he's just incredible and and but like i said that at a high level muay thai nowadays too right right yeah i've got the muay thai the wrestling the jiu jitsu and i work it all separate all with guys i trust that are my size and then we can combine it and who's the mastermind in your camp is it you and colin do you work it out together it's just colin collin geva for the jiu jitsu and then um romi for for you know because he he holds pads for me you know we'll go like literally we'll go like an hour straight holding pads um and then roaming around no rope no romeo donna romeo dancing yeah romeo's over at millennia yeah yeah and then you have for wrestling off sheldon kim rome's another old school guy right yeah hobby vasquez old school super old i mean he was
[ __ ] right there he was a black belt at like what 16 and a long ass time ago too and there's no black belts yeah i mean yeah i never rolled with javi but javi uh rolled uh i see a summer roll a couple of times at chanjok in person watching his jiu jitsu she just is incredible he talks to you the whole time he's a constrictor and just tells you what's going to happen yeah and like in like a super like sometimes annoying way he's so good he'll show you after what what what he did but it's like dude oh my god you're so good it's crazy eddie bravo told me a javi vasquez story the first time he ever went to a tournament he saw javi he saw this dude running sprints up the stairs and he was like what the [ __ ] who the hell is going to have to fight this [ __ ] guy eddie comes in there with flip-flops on he can't even do a sit-up and he's watching this [ __ ] dude run sprints upstairs i think i think he lost a hobby twice i want to say he almost caught him in a twister once but him and javi had some crazy battles yeah javi's uh elite elite jiu jitsu guy yeah very rarely do there's there's black belts and then there's the super elite yeah you know like like the javis or the jivas or the or the you know the um there's you know the you can name off a million different gracies javi's also a guy that he was uh pretty public about his uh his knee injury yeah you know he had a pretty [ __ ] serious knee injury and he lost his title yeah and um what the [ __ ] was it that he fought god damn it i can see him right in front of me right now he fought in the ufc as well that guy god damn i gotta look it up now sorry javi javi's listening he's like what the [ __ ] [ __ ] you guys how do you not remember [ __ ] i can't remember there's not enough room all right there's a thing called uh i know robert fought him robert's to be on my team i don't know that wasn't the fight i don't think no no um robert just stayed out of his guard yeah robert uh fought a very smart fight against him emerson right yeah that was another guy who who uh who had incredible skill and could have been really
crane but but wasted it yeah he fought alberto crane and blew out his uh acl and then kept [ __ ] fighting through the rest of the fight his [ __ ] was gone so his leg was buckling every time he tried to move everybody's just mangling the inside of his knee while he did that and he just really always had problems with it after that you know he had so many problems with it he's actually he got mad at me that i brought it up in a telecast once i didn't me i mean he was he talked about it in interviews i didn't think that i was like naming something that people weren't aware of but i was saying that someone should kick his legs because he's had problems with his knees and he was like that's kind of [ __ ] up and i see his point it is kind of [ __ ] up but it's also but it's the truth public knowledge yeah it's not like you hide that and like you told me don't tell anybody but i [ __ ] my knee coaches are already gonna have that thought of yeah and i i just i hate saying [ __ ] like that but it is what you should do yeah i mean it's like if you if you were fighting in a movie like game of thrones and there was like the noble choice no that's not noble to kick a guy's legs if his knees are problematic but with a [ __ ] boa constrictor like that dude you got to take every advantage you can get anyway right yeah you got to just just try and put a [ __ ] in that armor somewhere so you know that the body doesn't move right if you can just start to hurt something yeah so you got mad that i brought that up but it's not that i don't love you buddy yeah i love you i do love that dude i was bummed out that he was mad at me but i get it i understand it yeah it's one of those weird things where like people have been upset at me if i've done commentary on them losing in like spectacular fashion that like i sort of like emphasized it made it suckier than it even had to be yeah but it's kind of your job i know i don't but i don't mean to like everybody uh thinks it's you know or they suspect that it's personal it's absolutely no you're getting no way you have you get excited about doing your job that's that's a apparent you know yeah it's a weird job though you know yeah
it's a it's an especially weird job if you haven't done it you know because like that's true i'm doing commentary on mma i never had an mma fight i never come close i wasn't even thinking about it you know i almost fought wesley snipes but i was pretty sure he didn't know what he was doing i just thought i was just going to grab him and just take him to church that's how i felt like i'm like how's it going going to keep me from grabbing him yeah like what are you going to do are you going to be going to be really slick yeah it takes a long time we have a long time to dance i'll grab you i'm gonna grab you that's all i thought of i didn't think like um i'll start fighting mma you know so to do commentary on a guy like anderson silva like who the [ __ ] am i to say what he should do i have zero credibility it's a ridiculous position for me to be in damn you you're just like the refs man you have no business being there it's true i i have no business being there and yeah not the rest i said the judges the refs have no idea the reps actually yeah for the most part i mean there's some mistakes like mazzagotti takes a lot of heat i think i think it's a [ __ ] tough tough job you know it's a tough gig and i think there's excellent guys like in my opinion right now um big john mccarthy's always top of the heat always always that's the gold standard yeah and then there's herb dean who i think is right up there he always has been josh rosenthal that was josh rosenthal's right up there man he's elite man i'm really bummed out about his legal situation he got uh i don't want to blow up his spot yeah whatever i don't need to talk about his legal problems but he's a great guy i wish that guy in luck yeah he's a good dude he just did something that's only illegal because the world's run by [ __ ] yeah that's what yes i'm also answering things you shouldn't handle or firearm yeah whatever great dude i love the guy and he's a great referee too yeah he you can count on him like there's a few guys like you find out they're going to be the referee you go okay good this is going to be a good fight do you have say over who referees you're fine um i know i'm just waiting
for the day that kim winslow walks in and i can just raise my hand and go hey this is not happening i'm not i think kim does a pretty good job man i don't think i think i think she has a real hard time with big people though yeah you know like who was her last fight with his two [ __ ] oh it was gonzaga and pee-wee herman i was like that is crazy yeah like that's dangerous for her yeah and for the fighters yeah she's like 120 pounds maybe right and gonzaga is 260. through 260 built like a [ __ ] gorilla that someone took in a lab and merged with a human i mean when he like gets in front of the camera and goes wow he makes crazy faces and [ __ ] i mean gonzaga looks like he's some crazy caveman well it just bothers me cause she's made some bad choices and the fact that i don't want to hear a woman's voice in the cage oh dare you just just [ __ ] again just just yapping at me while i'm fight trying to fight prepare for the feminists to be coming at you full bore especially feminist mma fans yeah that's just me which are in the it's a huge huge part of the market the ufc is going to have to apologize for you now probably it's just barbie both in trouble right now let's shut our phones off so dana can't text us sorry to decide sorry dad he'll [ __ ] shut the internet down he'll call vegas i'm getting a stream call lorenzo shut the internet down rogan and ian are gonna get us in trouble oh it's funny man but i i see how you would want definitely if you have that opinion about it whether it's a woman or a man if you have an opinion about a referee that you don't think is good i would think that would be important to like make sure that that's one less thing you have to think about do they give you like a hard time about that is that like pretty easy to do i i don't know i've never i've never had to complain about it because i know that's been in dispute in boxing matches like there's certain reps that are slower to break things up and let guys fight out of clinches you know and then there's other reps that don't they don't tolerate i've never uh i've never seen it happen in ufc so i don't know it's a
good question i'm sure it's going to happen or it has happened and that they've taken care of i'm sure bert has has made it quick work of it you know that guy does his job well it's really it's an interesting situation a lot of people aren't even aware of that like people go what does ufc fix your [ __ ] judging they can't do anything yeah it's it's the state athletic commissions that control all the judging exactly it's getting better i think sometimes sometimes i think it's getting better right and comes along and you're like wait what you know come on man like there's some [ __ ] you guys are not taking into consideration here yeah you know there's there's a few fights where you just go man i'm missing something here i don't get how that was what did you see that i didn't see or not sound i'm just like i really believe this and this sounds like stupid [ __ ] but i think that they should consider having uh one extra vote one extra judge and that one extra judge should be the internet that's what i think i think you should allow fans to register and vote and allow them to like you could rate someone who judges the way you rate a yelp account like this food tastes like ass yeah like oh this guy judges like [ __ ] and then you get a few red flags if you made some questionable decisions and then you get removed from the queue yeah and you can't judge anymore or you can't judge high-level fights or you have to prove yourself or whatever the [ __ ] you got to do but i think having that as a fourth judging the fourth option maybe even coming to it if it's a a close disputed decision yeah if it's close let's go to the internet judge let's see what that was and then you know take that into consideration or or what i mean i don't know how you would factor it in what would be most valuable whether it's the in person judges or the internet judges yeah because it's a different experience not being there as well maybe give them half a point yeah like is that does that make sense that it's a different experience watching it cage site as it is watching it on television and it almost wouldn't
be fair if they only watched it on television it's completely different yeah because there's so much there's so much you can't see russia judges have screens in front of them don't they yeah and you can ch they do have screens if they want to catch angles they do now it's something that we complained about for a long [ __ ] time before they finally gave in and started giving them screens because there's certain angles where if someone if i'm on one side of the cage and there's a ground fight going on the exact opposite side of the cage i can't see what's going on if a guy has his back to me and the other guy has i don't know what he's i have to see a moderator that's the only way to see it exactly so finally judges get to see that because for the longest time some of the questionable decisions could be boiled down to that like that you didn't get a good angle to see exactly what was happening the whole time so in a close like 10 9 sort of a situation where it could go either way there's a lot of fights where it could kind of go either way yeah well after the round was over like [ __ ] they have to choose a winner here yeah and i would uh uh how i mean how much do do refs or uh judges go off punch stats do they know them right away i don't think they know them at all no that's the kind of thing that that needs to get figured out like we have them i know but i'm saying that that they they should want that information to judge a fight i don't think they get it i'm pretty sure they don't get it so like when we're i think that could influence them yeah yeah but i think that's why they don't get it i need to find that out for sure i should ask my dope mike goldberg i'll text him that's how strong this is while this is going on and mike goldberg will be there if they don't know the numbers and that's that's [ __ ] because they need to know they need to see those numbers yeah yeah it seems like that would be something just like the um just like the monitors that would be a no-brainer but it's hard man it's hard to get changed change is [ __ ] hard you know especially when it's run by estate yes and that's what people need to understand it's not this is not as simple as like the ufc needs to
implement the no you're dealing with a whole bureaucracy you're dealing with people that don't want to lose their jobs you're dealing with it's really tough to fire people because it's a government gig it's not the same you know and that's part of like there's a lot of people that are judges that i like as human beings i always say hi to them they're very nice people i just don't think they're qualified to do what they're doing and i think i think there should be you can look at them and see that yeah there should be some sort of um some sort of like absolute baseline knowledge that you have to have had you have to have some experience in some sort of combat sport exactly i i think that fighters or judges should have been fighters with so many fights it's a good idea you know or or at least hire a uh a stand-up judge a wrestling judge and a and a grant a jiu-jitsu judge or you know some sort of then have a fourth mma i don't know just they they need to figure out something because everyone has to have knowledge and i think the entire sport instead of just one facet of it yeah i think you're right too but man if you had just jiu jitsu judges those [ __ ] would be so bad every fighter jujitsu was winning my friend he can pass his god my friend you know we disagree everybody there was so many brazilians were mad when roger gracie got cut yeah they're [ __ ] legend this is so good man there's one more fight for 205 mr dana white they're like they all wanted him you know they're so loyal they and like a name like gracie yeah you know that shit's that's his royalty in mixed martial arts as you get [ __ ] prince charles all right that's real royalty the gracie name is royalty it is so when dana cut hodger gracie he's like jesus yeah what how dare you he's a dude that i don't think should be fighting in 185. i look at hodger and he's so big he's so tall and it is murder for that [ __ ] to make 185. i saw his like what he looked like after he'd weighed in like jesus that dude i mean that is really hardcore weight cutting that guy's doing yeah he's a big boy [ __ ]
yeah he is man yeah that's uh the weight cutting is his yeah he's big dude when you're around him like how does that guy weigh 185 how's that even possible i see i see a lot of guys like that i mean at every weight yeah that is just like wow yeah no one better exemplifies it than who uh that gsp is pretty big anthony johnson johnson yeah uh he's i mean he made one well we barely made one at 170 but now he's fighting at heavyweight yeah it's okay and he's beating guys like orlovsky you missed you missed weight at 70 so they kicked me out of 70. they kicked you out of a weight class which i don't you knew that was possible then you missed weight at the next higher the 15 pounds higher weight class by 12 pounds so you missed your original weight by 27 pounds you're just being an [ __ ] now i met him in between fights once um is back when he was uh one of the scariest guys in the welterweight division he was just coming up he had uh knocked out tommy burns okay and remember that fight yeah ruthless fight man he was absolutely brutal tommy was coming off the ultimate fighter and he was there's moments in fighters careers where they just appear like oh my god this is the [ __ ] right here and he was one of them in that moment when he burst on the scene and knocked out that tommy bernstein that was like his coming out party i was like this kid is [ __ ] powerful yeah that's what it was i mean he went after people and he just it just physically just crushed and he was so big for 170. it didn't even make sense no i met him in between fights he was uh at one of the um i think it was in denver came down and he wasn't competing so he was giant yeah i go what do you weigh and he goes i'm about 2 30 2 20 2 30. like how watch what he was huge he was [ __ ] gigantic that's i mean a foot that's a 60 pound weight cut and he's built like a heavy weight too yeah he's huge i mean he like looked like what didn't look like man you shouldn't be fighting heavyweight it was like yeah you could be a heavyweight how the [ __ ] did you get 170. because he's he's tall too it's not like he's a short super thick guy he's just a big man yeah
that's that's just got to be unbelievably bad for your body it's just got to be unbelievably bad for your body when you have that nutty seesaw right yeah i honestly probably think it takes a year or two off your life every time you do it i mean it's like i cut the most i've ever cut was 18.8 in the last 20 hours it's a different thing for you though too because of the percentage of your body weight as opposed to like a guy like johnson who's 50 60 pounds heavier but as i'm saying i was in florida oh my god when i fought demetrious the second time i cut 18.8 pounds the last 18 or last 20 hours um i don't even know what i was before that i was i just i i just that that one was really screwed me up but when you go to a place like florida how much time do you spend adjusting to the moisture in the air and the change in the environment uh i don't i don't i mean i don't really it doesn't really bother me what about altitude if you have to fight it like denver i've never fought in the aisle to do before wow but i mean that would be a wild place to watch some [ __ ] flyweights oh jeez man because heavyweights in in in denver are crazy like every time you have a heavyweight fight in denver it's like these poor [ __ ] guys just got drugged and pushed into a cage you gotta [ __ ] dart your neck man people don't understand man if you've never been to denver that [ __ ] is up there yeah that's a mile high city legit and the people that live there have more endurance than you yeah if you get used to that too like that's why those guys train in albuquerque everybody goes with big bear when you get used to that [ __ ] it makes your body like super enriched with oxygen and red blood cells you have all this endurance well my girlfriend outside she she lives in reno is always in tahoe oh so you're always up there hi and then she's i mean she's always she comes out here more but but you ever go up there to train uh i i know i'm going to start you're more excited because she's up there and i actually genuinely like this one so i would think that for a guy like you like there'd be a real benefit in training in a place like big bear well i i don't make enough money right to pay for a camp you know and i do do see back which is i don't
know if you've ever know what seaback is explain that though for it is uh let me try and be the tent like bj has no that would have or the it's it's sleeping bags it's an egg and that just egg you sit in and you know you're like you're sitting in a recliner and basically it's it does the elevation but it's it's changes to temperature density of air elevation um a few a few different things where it makes your body at a cellular level flex and and expel all the bad stuff and you're just ready to suck and you feel amazing like you'll shoot from from sea level up to 25 000 feet within 20 seconds and then shoot back down and then up and they do this rhythmic stuff to it and you have you do breathing exercises and it um i i mean why am i only hearing about this for the first time right now i'm so excited i'm the i was the first real fighter to start doing it and now i mean you got a lot of guys are doing it at newport beach i mean this is something i bought okay look up uh meanwhile cut to 10 months from now joe rogan caught up in ascent newport beach hoax ever i got tricked into going into a [ __ ] egg yeah see that there's i got totally hoaxered and i i love it man i'm sorry so how do you say it again see back see back the acc yeah i don't know vac and it's uh i i go to a cent newport beach and it i mean it's i'll do 20-minute sessions i'll do three of them and i just pound i pound out you know water like this with a good you know 9.5 ph or whatever while i'm in there and it just i feel amazing and i do breathing exercises while i'm in there so i'll hold my breath and what it does is when you shoot up in elevation you're already full of oxygen and dude it stretches your lungs like i've it's if there's no other way to get this feeling that i've ever i mean felt it literally stretches your lungs out and you and then breathe again what's your website for them having a hard time finally see back what cvac newport beach just google yeah google see back or see back ascent a c am i spelling it right
uh s c a v a c no it's just a ascent yes what's that uh ascent c vac newport beach ascent c vac but am i spelling it right s e a v a c yeah but no but it's c-back's just one c the letter c c o c and then vac that's yeah oh okay okay okay c-vac newport beach okay cvac that's what it is so it stands for something what does it stand for i have no idea a scent c-vac but yeah i mean it's it's something that has been around for uh it's been around for a while powerful five-star review on yelp they've just uh yelp's amazing they've just started to really cater towards athletes more tito goes i've been going for a while now wow so what is the process how does the uh how's the actual thing you change your body you go in and you sit in the pod and then as it as you you build up there's different levels um the fluctuations in the pressure the temperature the the elevation you know the the density of the air it just makes your body just heal faster you get rid of swelling i mean it did it has a list of stuff i mean you read on there uh what it does and i can't really put my finger on it it just makes me feel amazing it makes my cardio go through sounds like one of those magnet bracelets son hop on check it out cycle variations in adaptive control conditioning okay that's what they're calling it building the new super athlete mensjournal.com and it's in in this it work it works for me i believe you dude i'm only [ __ ] with you come on much respect i'm just joking um but what they're saying is this uh this is called the power of it's a an article that's in uh men's journal magazine and the article is building the new super athlete and the first sentence is the power of the pod and it says heather henniker owns and runs what could be considered a gym of the future in newport beach california the machine does all the work at her ascent facility the training consists of showing up and settling into one of her three stationary cvac pods for a 20 minute session the air pressure inside will yo-yo between sea level and about 22
500 feet with 200 to 400 pressure changes in between when you hit maximum altitude or rather the air pressure equivalent you take a rapid nose dive back to earth akin to racing up to the top of the uncague i don't know what that is uncle a c o n c a g u a why did you have to be so obscure crazy person you couldn't say everest heather [ __ ] head heather together uh and jumping off the 36 year old hinkler said that the pod is the only thing that has kept her rhomboid arthritis jock grapevine i don't know if that's good or not it's a tricky one right when someone calls you a jock yeah she says the majority of her clients are professionals athletes and the first thing that says ufc fighters and it says major league baseball player and dirty comedian i'm coming i'll go there you gotta try that [ __ ] come on down how many times you go a week uh three days a week it's death to get down there though yeah oh well and supposedly it cures my nearest and i kept telling dana you gotta come try it you gotta come try it i had vertigo for like six months of my life a while back here's meniere's how's it cure my ears again i i don't know i don't i didn't build it is it a bracelet with a rubber band and a bag i i told them to just give it a shot it it makes me feel better so well it sounds like there's something happening yeah it's not it's not like yeah it sounds like also uh it's getting a lot of people that are excited about it yeah cause now finally people are starting to see it and they're they're starting to see the results although i do have to say we were talking about shane carwin much respect to shane carwin much loved shane carlin big shane caron fan as a human being and as a fighter but that [ __ ] was trying to tell me that a rubber band worked for him he had a rubber band with a magnet on he was telling me that it's really helping my balance my tits that [ __ ] nothing that's in your head that those guys the guys who've been in power balance
so crazy from their from my area but there's a bunch of them now right yeah but i'm saying power bounce that that count the original one at least was done by them did they get in jail do they have to go to jail i don't think so did they get away i mean i know there was some like crazy loss yeah whether it was them or someone else i think they just had to give money or they had to stop doing something i don't know i know it went under but they made a lot of money while they could well if you sold something that gave you the kind of confidence that made you believe that i mean is that a product because if you got all those [ __ ] positive you know you look at like those stupid rubber band things man so many people were telling me how great they were oh i wore them just to wear just just to wear it so people so for one i could try and get a sponsorship out of it oh there you go that's smart i didn't i thought it was [ __ ] but if it did actually help because everybody else had them on i was wearing it you know the only reason why i was willing to believe look i've been willing to believe a lot of dumb [ __ ] in my life psychics and [ __ ] tarot card readers and i've been willing to believe a lot of stupid [ __ ] but the the reason why i didn't believe in this one when it got down to it was that the dude who was trying to demonstrate it on me was trying to do carnival tricks yeah he was like put your arm out like this now resist okay now i'm gonna put the bracelet on on you and put your arm out like this resist i'm like that's not the same position like we were up here let's go bring my arm back to here okay we're back here again yeah go ahead no you weren't there before yes i was like what are you doing yeah like you guys are playing carnival they were doing leverage tricks exactly like you're trying to like get me to pick him up with my hand i'm like what are we doing like you're holding your hand next to your waist to try to prove strength there's one way to prove strength stupid yeah put some weights on a stack and let's see if i can lift the same amount or less or more or whatever that's the only way you can't do a carnival trick so like what are you guys doing like who
taught you how to do this like you go is this like did they teach you and then they got like real weird with me and i was like is this come on man you're trying to make some money i've seen people trying to make some money before but can they teach you how to do this i'm like because this is the second person that i've ever met that has these wristbands for sale that wants to thumb wrestle they want to like get you in some weird messy positions exactly okay we'll try and lift me up now it's like yeah when what it was ridiculous yeah and the guy wasn't even that good at it you know i resisted it like i'm like come on man you're not even doing it right at least at least do it right if you're gonna you're gonna try and tell me the scrap it's one of those things where people want to believe that there's a rubber band that you could put on that makes you feel better yeah like slap that [ __ ] on i'm gonna be ripped and good looking and is straight into my chakras my chakras were out of line i didn't know what it was i was taking yoga it was really a waste of time i just needed a rubber band with a little hologram in the middle of it put me back in center in tune so how long you've been doing this three times a week thing in the cvac pod oh man since uh before i got in ufc by the way this is not sponsored by cvac right now people are going oh i see product placement you worked your friends no this is spontaneous i'm gonna bring joe down to try it out i'd love to except i can't get down there without a helicopter yeah because i [ __ ] never oh i just quit i'll just pull over the side road and go to sleep but driving down to newport beach people don't know it's a joke yeah it sucks i went to visit uh yeah i went down to uh affliction and uh back when tom was working there yeah and uh i went to visit him i said yeah man i'll come visit you come hang out yeah it took two hours yeah two hours that's the norm that's that's not even orange county seal beaches seal beach is still la county i think 40 minute drive i mean it should have been a 40 minute drive at
most i was like this is just ridiculous then they do that every day and it wasn't even like it was an off time it was like three in the afternoon or two in the afternoon it wasn't even my dad drove from my family dealership in downtown l.a next to staples center the total dealership it's my family's he would drive from there down to laguna niguel and then to san clemente after we moved to san clemente on the beach for um 30 years they're for some really [ __ ] long time how old were you when you moved you lived on the beach like right on the beach yeah i got it yeah like i walk on my balcony and i can you know be it could be two in the morning i could grab a group of people and run and jump in the water naked and should run back in the house without getting caught wow how old were you then when you guys moved to the beach uh we moved there when i was 16 or 17 i believe did you find in any way that that had a change in your in your demeanor at all like being by the water no because i already had lived in the good indigo like like a couple miles from the beach i was at the beach that's where our whole little fight crew came from was salt creek beach and dana point was that was our beach like what are you doing at our beach like beat it you know beat it cook like we had a bunch of pro surfer friends and bodyboarder friends and you would just bully people and kick them off the beach and throw water balloons you know and like we was it feel bad about it now it would always not really it was kind of fun it was our beach though it was it was different yeah that's so douchey though people just want to use the ocean man the [ __ ] that was our beach big deal we were such we were such douchebags what i mean is there a difference in uh being by the water all the time and yes living at the water yes i've always wondered like um for me there is i have a friend who has a beach house and it's it costs like four million bucks and it looks like it should be like 50. it's [ __ ] crazy i was like this is not a 4 million house man and you're right next door to the neighbor like this is the nuttiest thing ever like how the [ __ ] did somebody get you to pay four million dollars for this yeah you could have
like a castle in colorado exactly yeah you could have a hundred acres with elk wandering through your yard instead you're not jammed up on your neighbor yeah but he was like it doesn't matter when you get up and you see the ocean you look out you when you see the ocean he goes i'm on vacation every day of my life yeah he goes i look out there i hear that water and it just chills me out yeah for sleep the water i mean my dad's a waterman he his whole life has revolved around you know surfing and fishing and traveling that's like his passions you know um and demand the fish fear my dad you know he's he's spear fishing uh any sort of fishing spider fishing some wild [ __ ] man yeah he's he's uh my friend aubry the ceo of on it just got back from doing some spearfishing so fun and he was saying it's it's like hunting underwater while you hold your breath it's such a different thing yeah and there's a lot more creatures i want to eat you you know sharks come swimming up next to you but like you know like living on the beach at as a senior in high school you know he was never home my parents got divorced at that point i had his brand new car to drive brand new porsche drive around oh my god and he lets you drive a porsche when you're in high school no no i would i just do you know how many people right now i just know he didn't know well he found out i was driving it but you're like an evil character in a [ __ ] teeny bopper movie i was a horrible kid i mean think about it like if there was like a 16 candles type movie i would be like the ultimate bad character yeah but then you know what there'd probably be a girl in the movie and you'd fall in love with her and you would change for her so that's what's happening right now yeah okay yeah that's what it would be like if you if that just think about you driving your dad's porsche around living in the [ __ ] beach and [ __ ] and kicking guys asses like what constantly and it did my dad would bring he would go kill fish you know big tuna whatever out of mexico and come back with whole fish whole tuna and just literally we would eat you you don't get
any fresher than that i mean he's cutting up he's he's cutting it and then giving your sushi out like it's amazing i've never done any tuna fishing but my friend tommy did he said they ate tuna sashimi on the boat he said it's the most ridiculous thing you can't even believe how good it tastes it's it's a different it's a whole different world and i mean tuna it's a it's a [ __ ] torpedo mussel i mean that's the best fighting fish in the ocean yeah you know tuna albacore like that rain those those those the jacks you know maybe like a yellow tail but tuna's the best but um and they're also the best eating yeah you know i mean gerardo's fun they're pretty but you know sailfish you know there's a fun pretty but i i mean tunis it's unbelievably delicious especially it's it's so delicious that it's preferred raw yeah exactly i mean tuna's preferred raw more than anything the japanese paid over a million dollars for one fish that's so crazy i love sushi how's that possible how's that possible you sure that's true did you make it no you can google that [ __ ] you can get google listen this is at least 50 people listening to this i have to be really careful about telling the truth all right um largest amount paid for a tuna yeah but they regularly get like thirty forty thousand dollars for a tuna catch all the time if you go out like out of nova scotia from my dad has told me you go out of nova scotia on a trip and everyone pays you know for for you know the couple day trips oh my god you were wrong you ready for this 1.8 million oh well [ __ ] me running that's insane that's for a fish what did it weigh depleted blue fin tuna sold for 1.8 million dollars what does that mean that just means that they're they're trying to get them endangered because they're 500 pound a moderate size 500 pound blue fin sold for an unimaginable price of nearly 1.8 million us dollars a new record at a tokyo fish auction wow okay so that must be because the the supply is way down oh yeah it's because that those we need to stop i mean as much as i love bluefin tuna we need to farm it and we need to let it rebuild in the in the in the [ __ ] if we ever want to fish it again because
okay but hold on there's some [ __ ] here it's saying supposedly the high prices paid at the annual new year's tuna's auction tuna auction in tokyo are a way to celebrate more likely is about publicity and do not reflect actual market price nevertheless the continued increasing price buyers are paying for bluefin tuna mirrors its increasing rarity okay so this is a really unusual circumstance for this probably [ __ ] yeah they probably did that just so people are paying attention yeah there could be some crazy yakuza [ __ ] going on the old price was pretty high anyway though the old record was seven hundred and forty thousand dollars yeah holy [ __ ] [ __ ] and that wasn't even supposedly [ __ ] with that's supposedly a real record that's that's what's the biggest those things get i gotta be a thousand pounds i think gotta be okay let's find out world record tuna i'm scared now i'm thinking of catching it could you imagine there's lots you're in for a [ __ ] fight song yeah i think he's gonna rip your arms off i mean that is a thousand pound ball or whatever but however many pounds it is a ball of muscle that just wants to eat and i mean those things could eat us biggest fish i ever caught was a marlin and uh it was not that big it was only about 70 pounds but it was my oldest daughter was a vegetarian a little bit she was trying to be a vegetarian and i was uh you know she's just a kind person yeah and at the time i think she's like probably 12 makes sense yeah about 12. and i say you know what let's let's go fishing i said we'll catch a fish we'll cook it we'll eat it and we'll understand sort of the cycle of life because you know we buy things in the supermarket and we're very disconnected from it but you have to understand like these animals they eat each other and this is like it's a natural way for people to acquire food and it's way people have done it throughout history but she tried to be like this really kind person so it was a it was a moral reason like she didn't want to hurt it yeah of course she loves
animals so anyway we're fishing we're fishing for maybe 15 minutes yeah and i hook a marlin maybe 15 minutes that's unheard of yeah like people fish for years and they never catch a marlin it's total stupid luck because we're trolling it's not like no skill whatsoever it just happened to hit my line so we get this marlin it's jumping through the air it's wild man it's really cool it's not that big it's only like 70 pounds you know maybe yeah maybe i don't know how many feet long but it's about the guy said it was about 75 it's they get hundreds thou over a thousand like 500 pounds yeah well this [ __ ] thing they pull it they gaff it they bring it in the boat and then they beat the [ __ ] [ __ ] out of it with a club and the way it works we're in hawaii in hawaii um the the owners of the boat they own the fish yeah like if you catch fish they'll take you and you'll enjoy it but it's also their livelihood that's how they make a living so it's like it's a different sort of a situation than a lot of charters it's like they they want you to have a good time and but we know you're in a resort and this is our livelihood we would like the food too is that cool and everybody's like yeah it's cool because otherwise like sometimes the food would go to waste and that's terrible yeah and i think they recognize that really early and they put the kibosh on it and they said look people are just trying to have some fun let's have them have some fun catch some fish but we'll eat the fish so they were going to take it and apparently they bring it to a luau and they smoke the marlin and my poor little 12 year old is just sitting there while this marlin gets clubbed and it's a big animal i mean it's in a boat with us and it's a fairly big beautiful animal that once you kill it the color goes away yeah and it's the size of a dog yeah it's like yeah it's like a golden retriever's size exactly you know they're beating it with clubs and it's it's real man real [ __ ] and when you're a 12 year old girl wanted to be a vegetarian that's like that's a [ __ ] up thing to say yeah it didn't die right away either man it was flopping around they had ice on it and
it did like it was fine it wasn't moving at all and i saw out of nowhere it was devastating devastating and we didn't catch another [ __ ] thing for the rest of the trip we caught this one marlin and then the rest of the day was just looking down at this murder victim who's in the boat with us yeah just you know sitting there dead and then afterwards taking photos together this like really uh weird look on her face with this [ __ ] murder victim that we just clubbed to death we didn't club to death but we ate it and abetted yeah we tricked it into the boat but they're uh apparently you can eat marlin like i didn't know i didn't know you can't eat them but apparently you can what is the size of that one 920 pound tuna caught last week oh my god look at that thing oh i hope my dad's watching this what a [ __ ] and they have to attach it to a [ __ ] crane ladies and gentlemen to get it out of the water they hook it up to a crane i love killing fish man killing fish is a good time well if you grew up near the ocean look at the size of this [ __ ] thing oh my god that's a tuna that's incredible what a big animal jesus i mean that they think of the speed those things get so big they die off because they can't get enough food that's incredible they just eat and eat and eat that's that's their whole life is spent hunting i mean they are like you know vicious what is the biggest one ever ah i have no idea oh we gotta find out now because the biggest tuna ever caught it's gotta be that one was what 900 what it's got to be maybe 12 1300 pounds i would think well let's say let's see world record tuna wait they're so cool looking too man can you imagine if there was like tuna that had four legs and would run down a field looking like that glistening and blue just running like a bullet [ __ ] every other animal on his path a pack hunting just eating lions and could you imagine if a [ __ ] tuna could run on ground as fast as it could swim
that's frightening i i yeah i i always think of weird [ __ ] like that like about the [ __ ] like what if parrots were the size and they walked on all fours like like dogs and i i'm afraid of birds in general because they always hate me but you should be afraid of birds birds are [ __ ] yeah they're they're evil man they're vicious killers yeah they [ __ ] are man they're they're creepy they're creepy animals you know they don't really give a [ __ ] about anything i mean they're they're in a real survival of the fittest gene pool situation yeah kill it we're just lucky that they're not that big imagine birds who like the size of giraffes if eagles like the size of giraffes they would be eating people all day there's nothing we could do to stop them we'd have we'd have to kill them all and it sounds like a ridiculous thing to say imagine the world if tuna could run imagine the world of eagles with the size of giraffes well guess what [ __ ] a giraffe's the size of a giraffe okay there are animals that are that big we're just lucky they don't eat people exactly we're lucky they're not against us we probably would have never got to this place if they did i don't know we're we're kind of tricky we've we've seemed to con our way this far i really don't think it would have happened i think we we we came along like we're like boxers that became heavyweights after mike tyson lost his prime we're like finding a gap we're like falling into this like relaxed period tiptoed our way through through evolution it was way easier to survive after those dinosaurs got hit by that rock you know after buster douglas came along and he thrown tyson the world got a little safer you know back in those days i cried myself to sleep when that happened it was a weird thing to see because i watched it after the fact i didn't see the fight live i had heard what happened and i still didn't believe it happened i was watching it i was like he's going to
get up he's going to kick his ass me and my brother both literally cried i turned around i cried at like balling to our parents like why why how why did that happen i can remember the last time i got emotionally attached to a fight and i was devastated when a fighter lost it was mike mccallum when he knocked out donald curry i was a big donald curry fan donald curry was the welterweight champion at the time donald count i think he went up to 154. donald curry like ruined his career because he kept cutting weight down to 147 and he couldn't do it anymore he couldn't do it anymore he had um those fights with uh not mccown but who was the other there was another like really strong welterweight a cronk fighter from that era and he knocked that dude out and donald curry emerged as like the top pound-for-pound guy but then he fought lloyd huntington and he was just too dehydrated he couldn't [ __ ] do it anymore he just wasn't the same guy and everybody's like that's the top pound for pound fighter and that one beating to lloyd huntington never he never was the same again he went up to 154 and then he didn't have the physical advantages he had at 47. and when you see the ufc and you see like that this is especially in uh higher weight classes there's big gaps huge in between the weight classes what would you like it how would you if you if someone could like allow you to create the optimum weight divisions what do you think it would be i mean you see you just don't want too many you know but i think there would be we we would really figure out who is pound for pound the best you know but at the same time maybe 10 pounds because boxing there's so many champions he just gets you know because it gets diluted yeah unboxing is a sport in general as well well boxing has a bunch of different sanctioning buttons too that's where it gets really weird it's almost weirder there because of that than it is because of the amount of weight classes yeah it's it's a it's a all it it's just all of a [ __ ] you know yeah people don't realize how many weight classes there are on boxing but it's crazy they start at like 106 right isn't it i think so what's like
light flyweight it's got to be something it's like it's i know it's starting like really light and they go all the way up to 195 and then heavyweight and that's the deviation like the ufc the only gap they have that's more interesting is the 205 to 265. yeah that's where they need to put at least i think a weight class yeah a 240 or something and i think also in between 85 and 205 would be good i think i think so yeah i could see that because you know just make it every 10 pounds i think so too it will work i think so too and i think that a big example that is between 55 and 170 that's especially as you get low in percentage of body weight that's those those jumps between that one and the 185 to the light heavyweight those are big jumps man yeah 15 pounds is a uh it's a lot of person yeah you know and you know it's also you're seeing these guys who are making these cuts to get to sailor guy like jon jones he's coming down from like 225 230 like big [ __ ] at 205. and if you're like kind of like don't want to cut weight but you're really a 185 and you're you know fight him you go oh god no i gotta lose the weight now like you gotta you gotta be realistic about this yeah and especially because the way the sports have evolved people get stuck in certain weight classes because they're good for that weight class and then they try and cut weight or they try and gain weight and then they end up not having the advantages you know of of that they had they had before and they don't work on it or they don't have it at all they just can't get it so then they end up getting beat up by someone smaller or something like that what is it like to be a part of this this sport right now for you like as a top level professional fighter because it's a really interesting time as far as the sport like it's it's evolved to this point where there's this clearly like the best athletes that have ever been involved in mma are involved in mma now and the hot the level of fighting and competition is as high as it's ever been before now but you've had a chance to see it from the outside for a long ass time like what is what is it like for you now you know the the evolution of of the of the
the people of the fighters i think as a as a country i think we're getting pussified you know kids aren't allowed to get fist fights i think it's a right of passage for young men to get in fist fights you know and not jump each other but i'm talking no weapons just you know just duke it out and deal with your problems some people don't want to do that though and they don't want to be harassed by people who want to be if they don't want if they don't want you they shouldn't have to right but how do you stop that though exactly i don't know it's but that's not i'm just saying but we're building better athletes in the gym but we have to now now i which i i get as a good thing we if we want to build a tough kid if we want to make him tough we'll build him in the gym right and that maybe you know that is a good thing because not only is he going to be tough but he's not going to be a dick like i used to be right yeah you know because like i said i started out beating up bullies and then i ended up just being a bully you know i'm glad you're really honest about that man i think it's really important because i think you know there's a lot of kids out there that are fighting that watch guy like you and look up to you and when maybe they might be on a similar path and they hear that and they can learn from your mistakes yeah i've made just about every mistake there is you know whether it's that or dying of dying of drugs you know drug overdose or whatever or whatever i've done a lot of things and it's just it's there's so many things that i feel like i can share um and if i can help one person change that that'll work you know a little bit but obviously i'd like to help as many as possible but um you know just try and you know especially the people that are closest to me like we got some amateur guys that i'm trying to trying to just turn into super athletes and they already are but just get them focused and ready and not make any mistakes it's very difficult for a fighter to transition from being a
fighter to like mainstream life to going back to being like a regular person with a regular job who you know doesn't have those big crazy thrills every few months yeah you know you just have sort of like this weird steady drip of of life juice instead of this wild roller coaster rush that everybody knows you can only stay on for so long yeah but the thing that i always try to stress with people is that like one of the best things about martial arts is the development of the ability to do something good to be good at something and know what it's like to be good at something and then from there like you knew how hard it was to get good you didn't start out good you started out shitty but you got better and you got better and you get that that understanding of that is is so important for everything don't look at like the finish line oh i'm never going to get there look at progress and you can get anywhere as long as there's not some crazy physical limitation yeah that that's what i tell people because they always turn to me for rehab stories you know drug stories or whatever because i've been to two rehabs and whatnot how old are you 29. how old were you when you went to your first rehab i was 19 i think wow what was it for um i got caught with with some pills and then uh i was a pill guy um and then it was just through the court i had to check in and i got kicked out of some like class things and then they put me in like a outpatient rehab program and then i ended up the second one was you know before [Music] in between wbc and and tachy when i you know became world champ i got in trouble you know got arrested was looking at probably going to prison for you know like three to five for just doing some dumb [ __ ] and i had a i had a record so me doing anything bad would put me in you know in prison so i checked myself
into rehab and they're like oh good job little buddy you know pat on the head you can stay there for six months and it was a living and and at first it was just escape just a scapegoat for me not to go to prison but then it actually helped you know the people there helped me the program helped me actually getting getting my uh just to just help me get my life together you know i had to be sober you know and i stayed sober for a long time you know and it was it was it was it was good for me you know it did it actually gave me some perspective on life because i was just such a mess for so long but isn't it crazy to be a guy who's such a mess and a wild and with like this really self-destructive style of living especially with regards to drugs in your body but you're a professional athlete a high level professional athlete you know how it worked for so long yeah how the [ __ ] did it work for so long um i don't know really i mean i'm i'm like a cockroach or something there's something some there's something inherently i don't know if it's right or wrong i hope nobody tries to imitate it yeah do not do not do what i've done yeah learn learn from that don't do that i'm a walking mistake go to the gym [ __ ] exactly to the gym first if if i would have spent those extra i mean hours that i was doing stupid things i believe i've done calculations to everything i could have put in that that because they say it's ten thousand hours to master something you know right so i could have put an extra ten thousand hours into jiu jitsu an extra ten thousand into kickboxing and extra ten thousand into wrestling if i would have done that because i've been training for that long i could have fit that in there i would be i would make everyone else look silly well don't you think though that there's something about you that is the way you are because of the adversity that you've gone through of course i wouldn't change the thing i'm just saying that right but isn't that weird yeah you know i just like i would be the [ __ ] of [ __ ] but i'd be
a choir boy i'd probably go crazy from that because i wasn't doing anything nuts yeah i would yeah and then and then this then this this beast would show up now and they would just blow it all that happens to a lot of guys too right they they get it instead of on the way up they get it once they get up you get there and they're like oh this is too much fun should have never given you money yeah there's a lot of those dudes out there they should have never given you money dudes especially crazy wild impulsive athletes and fighters like the tyson story so the most the dude got tigers he had his own tigers he's like the most legendary stories of spending money 200 million dollars where did it go you've seen his his show that he does the no oh his stand-up show his one-man show i heard it's heard it's awesome i heard it's incredible i wanna i really wanna dana white called me up after he goes dude it's one of the greatest things i've ever seen in my life he goes it's [ __ ] amazing he goes spike lee i guess directed yeah is that what happened yeah and they just they put it together it's a [ __ ] show yeah you know and it's really interesting just him isn't it yeah he puts up a number it's with his 200 or 300 million dollars puts up a number on the thing and it's like this giant screen goes that's how much i lost 300 million dollars or 200 million or whatever it was something's 100 million whatever so it's insane amount of money just spent it yeah he just spent it everybody bought him bentley and crashed it and then gave it to the cop yeah my taste is it's all scratched up he's like not interested this thing's a piece of [ __ ] now i don't even want it here you have it it's gonna cost me a hundred grand to fix he used to wear furs and [ __ ] he used to walk around like jack dempsey's style like with the hat yeah like jack johnson when jack johnson was heavyweight champ and was hanging out with all these white chicks nobody did it they were trying to make those laws so he could yes dude people don't even know have you ever seen was it unforgivable blackness is that what the documentary is called what is
the documentary called i need to quote it because it's an amazing documentary i'll just uh blackness jack johnson boy am i going to jail yeah i don't um i don't remember who made it i want to say it was ken burns because you know he does a lot of those unforgivable blackness that's what it's called um is it ken burns i don't know if i said yeah it is ken burns or tv but i saw it pretty recently oh it's amazing it's amazing it's incredible i mean you got people don't realize what a bad [ __ ] this guy was and what incredible racism he encountered like the racism that fighters encountered today or people encountered today like here's a perfect example the recent thing with oprah winfrey do you know about this thing no it's you know they just done it she went to a store in switzerland or some [ __ ] is that where it was yes and um she there was a purse it was a very expensive purse yeah and she asked to see it and the store clerk said oh you can't afford that purse you'd only want to look at it like we should you should look at something less money and oprah was like oh [ __ ] really okay that's the kind of racism yeah that oprah has to experience in 2013 what jack johnson experiences like it's like to these people they wanted him dead they wanted him dead and slavery had just ended like inside of their lifetime 1865 so you're dealing with just a few decades later and all of a sudden there's this dude just knocking white dude senseless and taking these white chicks and impaling them on this [ __ ] super dick the likes of which white women had never seen before and they were just following him around and falling out of his car while he's driving down the street i mean he had he was like the first black guy ever with a dope car exactly to cross that border and just kill it and he just did it like [ __ ] yeah what are you gonna do he would take him across state lines they would try to get him for all kinds of [ __ ] transporting white women across dirt lines the government was after you for for for sleeping with white women yeah you're winning sir it's a sad sad movie and then at the end when he throws
a fight you know you could tell he throws a fight i was it no wasn't jess willard who was it that he fro i don't remember i don't remember but uh i don't want to tell you in fact even if i did remember you should watch it go get it it's an amazing documentary and it's just you we see like like those old jack johnson fights or um you see um jack dempsey's old fights like boy you're dealing with a totally different kind of human being back then it was a lot different they were animals they they they're they're i think we're slowly losing that that that piece of us yeah you know with whatever whatever is it that's everything everything is taking it away from us but we're slowly losing that killer instinct well you know it's funny that tyson latched on to jack dempsey jack dempsey was like one of his like main heroes and his main idols for that style of fighting that just ferocious mauling style you know and tyson sort of recognized that he was a throwback i mean think about that in the 80s and then you look at like jack dempsey was doing it when there was no tvs yeah you know they found out about fights from the radio yeah he was doing that exact thing that long ago you were either there in person yeah or you were listening to guys talk jack dempsey with the left jack dempsey he's down and it's i mean i guess yeah i guess it was it was all word of mouth you know it was all back then it had open did you see that uh photo that somebody posted on the underground the other day of a fight from uh 1913. did you see that [ __ ] i don't think so with mma or do you know that can you find it you know what it's on my instagram if you go to my instagram um it's a dude named irish roddy it's a boxing match and it's a boxing match from you know 1913 that they've turned into a a color image they've processed it and and and made it uh true to life it's [ __ ] incredible i'll put up here for you look at this [ __ ] look at that picture
holy [ __ ] yeah holy [ __ ] is right it's incredible yeah those guys back when they used to fight like 50 [ __ ] rounds yeah right i mean didn't they have like some crazy fights back then were they what's the most amount of rounds you think anybody ever fought back in those days uh probably 50 or 60. i mean those guys look like they're like on the verge of beating each other to death very close very but i've seen some ufc fights that look like that too joe stevenson and bj penn the end of that fight it looked like joe stevenson got murdered yes you know i mean well especially those forehead cuts forehead cuts are responsible for some of the craziest most ridiculous scenes in the octagon ever but what did that bigfoot silva's manager say his head is well irrigated it's just squirting blood as a giant noggin yeah no [ __ ] that was a crazy one longest boxing match ever let's find out much ever boy i'm good at typing was the longest boxing match in history oh my god a boxing match landed lasted seven hours how many i can't do the math what the how many [ __ ] is that is that real oh my god listen to this the longest boxing match ever took place in new orleans on april 6th of 1893 the match was between andy bowen and jack burke both of whom claimed the lightweight title after the reigning champ jack mcawful olafy olafi jack mccall if he retired the winner of this take all purse was set at 2 500 and in order to decide who is really the new champion the match was set to fought to a finish they fought to a finish i like that all through the contest fighters went at each other aggressively pounding each other with their gloves inflicting and sustaining tremendous punishment that red like someone wrote it with their pants off that red light was vigorously masturbating just about filled up and shaved three-minute rounds wore off oh my god they went to 111 rounds both fighters dazed and weary gave up
and did not come out of their corner [ __ ] well you can't fight 112th round one more round you gotta be one guy telling him just get up rocky and you'll win all that what's up guinness says it's 276 rounds in 1825 uh but that's english people lying mate we heard it much longer than that our endurance is superior we have proper boxing training that sounded more south african so maybe they're right man i don't know whoever fought over 100 rounds is the craziest [ __ ] human being that's ever lived that fight was only four and a half hours oh that's weird what are they like 30 second rounds that doesn't even make sense i can't even do the math i'm gonna try two thousand five hundred bucks that's crazy for the welter with the welterweight championship of the world i wonder what that was or lightweight that's a good question it's a very good question i bet it'd be like a million bucks yeah isn't that weird like when you hear about like economies imploding and then all of a sudden like a loaf of bread's worth a million dollars how the [ __ ] what does that even mean yeah i don't even understand how people have billions of dollars how does that number even a real number and can i how do you i'll pull out a billion dollars in cash let me see yeah at a certain point tom you have to admit that you you hacked the game yeah okay you hacked the game somehow dude how'd you get 10 billion dollars this isn't i don't understand when you know you've got like bill gates you have a submarine inside your giant boat yeah you're like hey what happened here what exactly did you do where are you getting all that money this is this isn't fair you have escape pause in your house to jettison you to the middle of the [ __ ] ocean whenever [ __ ] danger shows up yeah you have a constant team of security detail around you that's like having a bank you know around you all the time bill gates is worth 100 billion or something crazy like that but if it was the whole of him dropping forty thousand dollars he shouldn't pick it up
kind of thing yeah that's what they say yeah it's like if he drops forty thousand dollars it's worth more of his time to keep moving forward than it is to turn around and pick it up yeah he just what happened was he just didn't turn around and pick up the bonus i just got almost for for bludgeoning another man for 15 minutes he if he dropped that he wouldn't pick it up it is crazy if you think about how much dif more difficult mma is then almost every other job that you have to do physically like besides being a soldier or a cop or a fireman where you're really putting your life in danger on a daily basis with fires and bullets take all those out and then ambulance driver pretty [ __ ] dangerous there's a few race car drivers dangerous as [ __ ] but mma fighters a [ __ ] scary one that's that's one of the most dangerous jobs you can have other than like crab fishing those [ __ ] crazy [ __ ] yeah but the deadliest catch guys those guys those guys are nuts they're they're secluded out there for a reason are you friends with guida uh i'm we don't talk or anybody he's a cool dude that's a great guy clay guida did that [ __ ] for like a year i went to like test his medal he went out and was a [ __ ] crabber crazy [ __ ] he's the kind of guy who would just make it that sounds like fun i could make some cash cool okay i gotta go yeah yeah stop moving yeah that dude's got some endurance imagine him just on the boat the whole time doing that i've seen him blow off more energy at a weigh-in than i have from a real workout like a real workout like today i'm gonna have some coffee i'm gonna really work out meanwhile he gets more cardio in on the way up to the scale and he's always [ __ ] like super energetic where everybody else is dried out you know they're cutting weight and guida wasn't much bigger than 155. he had he has ridiculous endurance yeah he's he's just that's one of those natural things that uh he's never at rest anyways yeah he's just not it's it's just it's it's constant it's his rest is active yeah
he's never gonna get tired it's a great [ __ ] guy too yeah great guy very very fun dude to hang out with and he drives like he fights you ever drive with him he's awesome he trick he drives you like all right clay guinea close my eyes and just hold on [ __ ] chicago savages yeah it's different yeah those illinois people are animals bro i've never been there it's cold as [ __ ] those cities where it's really cold and there's a lot of people it takes a hearty [ __ ] to rise above in those spots yeah it wouldn't last live you're like growing up here you grew up in paradise this is the greatest weather in the history of the universe it's great but you missed that adversity that you get from dealing with the weather yeah there's like a knowledge that it's out there yeah that we don't have we're like oblivious out here yeah we're like god sonny another day whatever you know my my stepdad for for instance world-renowned hunter and tracker like said when he's almost 80 years old he's this mountain of a man was in the cia and he's just a he's a mason and he's just this like that guy my mom you know met him you know being a chef at his wilderness hunting lodge in the middle of bfe in alaska like the guy i've seen pictures of him with polar bear killed like oh he's just this big mountain pomegranate holy [ __ ] yeah i actually have a polar bear like it's not i don't have a crack i don't have a house to put it in yet but but i mean that's just that's like that guy's is just weathered like you don't eat polar bear do you did he did it i don't think so i think he just just did it to do but back then he was almost 80. so back then was okay i mean he doesn't hunt anymore back then we own black people we shot polar bears whatever don't worry about it it's okay we drove drunk shooting polar bears out the window of the car yeah you're supposed to hunt certain predator bears though they have to keep their numbers down people don't like that that idea but it does become a real problem when you have um there's like the the game wardens in these areas and
the department of fish and game yeah they're very meticulous about keeping track of numbers of both animals that are prey like deer and then animals that are uh there are also predators like cats and bears and [ __ ] like that and they're pretty good at figuring out how to manage that stuff but you have to kill some of them unfortunately i understand people hate that idea because they're so beautiful and majestic but the reality of biology is that there has to be a certain balance of predator and prey because if there's not then we become endangered they are going to come [ __ ] us yeah and nobody likes that idea people people that are like especially like people are animal rights people or you know people love animals there's a lot of people that their dogs are like their best [ __ ] friends the only thing that they can count on for love you know what i mean that's not even a bad thing no it's not a bad thing it's true so i i understand where they're coming from like you would think about the a bear it's just like a big dog but it's a big dog that will eat your [ __ ] all right that thing doesn't give a [ __ ] about you exactly without even it it wants to eat you yeah it's a heartless monster and for the most part they're harmless you don't go near them you stay away from them for the most part you're right we're going to be fine but the reality is when they get to a certain number and they start taking down elk in front of people at the campsite and scaring the [ __ ] at everybody yeah you ever see a 12-foot bear take out a moose oh no i haven't either but i don't just picture it there's a video of a bear in uh i've never forgot this pull this [ __ ] up jamie it's a bear eats a moose in uh driveway dude okay just dude imagine imagine you're living in alaska okay i'm five eight okay i stood next to a moose and it's [ __ ] huge it's dick was over my head they're gigantic i went to alaska as a kid that place is [ __ ] beautiful they're gigantic i mean i didn't i didn't get really close enough to a moose to get its dick over my head but look at this but this moose which is gigantic okay is killed by a grizzly bear in this guy's [ __ ] driveway so
could you imagine there's a thing that's oh you know whatever 10 times the size of a deer and it gets killed by a giant wild dog that's essentially what a bear is a giant bulletproof wild dog moose or what like 12 feet tall they're [ __ ] huge it's a huge animal that's not the biggest moose in the world no but it's a and it's a female it's a big [ __ ] animal and what's really crazy about bear is bear eat moose alive they eat all the animals they kill alive a lot of times they go guts first they don't even bother killing the animal they just start eating them you look at the size of that [ __ ] thing just ripping chunks off of this moose he's eating the guts now that's what they go for the first but they're they're just they're everywhere up there and it comes a time where the uh the wildlife people determine that okay our the population is too high and so we have to manage this what is that where they dragged it away wow look how they dragged it away look at the size of it back that up so it puts it in perspective oh my god look at them dragging it away look how big it is you don't realize how big it is because the bear so [ __ ] big but when they drag it away you're like holy [ __ ] how big is that bear now let's go back to the bear go back to the bear look how big the bear is god damn how big is that [ __ ] bear oh that's a big bear dude literally a [ __ ] 600 pound angry dog with bigger claws look at the size of that thing now that you know how big that [ __ ] moose is in comparison to a car that bear is huge oh god damn [ __ ] living in alaska my mom was saying when she went to go hunt to doll sheep that of course my stepdad's not going to tell her but a bear was tracking them the whole time no of course yeah they hold the whole time and if like and like she's like oh we're wading through like thick you know brushed [ __ ] and just you know i wonder why just start telling the story i was like man that's [ __ ] frightening having
something something wants to eat you it's so crazy because you can get there at the wrong place in the wrong time yeah you can get there when there's an old bear that can't catch catch moose or deer anymore and they have worn out teeth and they see you and they're like oh i can catch you yeah and then they just eat you and especially when it's late in the season they say that's when it gets really desperate when bears will eat their cubs they get really desperate because there's no food and they can't catch any fish they can't there's no salmon left and they're starving to death and so they'll [ __ ] eat everything in front of them you can catch them in that really intense desperation because they're the last animals that haven't hibernated the healthy fat bears that what uh grizzly man seriously man that movie yes i talk about that every week you can't talk about it anymore unfortunately let's talk about it i'm just saying it was it was like that that was exact storyline yeah the guy stayed way too long he was like there in october or november or some [ __ ] like that when they're supposed to already be sleeping yeah that's a weird thing man to live in the presence of those crazy beasts my favorite shows are all these subsistence shows like alaska the last frontier yeah it's my one of my favorite shows i get giddy like a little schoolgirl when that shit's on i gotta watch it it's just people they live it's a bunch of families yeah the kitchener family and i believe like jewel you know that uh beautiful singer incredible voice she is like related to these people it's fascinating but these folks live in like a really remote part of alaska and they have a homestead where they they're responsible for everything they're responsible for all their own repairs and their equipment they get all their own meat from either cows that they have to butcher because they run cattle or animals that they hunt whether they hunt bear or moose and they have like very specific chores they do and they have maybe four or five months a year where they're just trying to keep it together and then it's bundle up for the cold
and their whole life is about preparing for the cold yeah and they're just [ __ ] storing fish and every day is just a mad dash getting up at six pulling nets of fish in freezing them smoking them everybody's working around the clock and then the [ __ ] frost comes in the river freezes over the point we can drive cars on it it's gangster cold up there i gotta watch that it's amazing i'm a dork for it dude well my you know my mom went through it your mom went through it because she was living and being the chef at the hunting lodge god damn in middle of nowhere i mean you know she she was living in alaska for a while and obviously jim's you know i'm sure listen to this he's old but yeah he was up there forever wow you know i mean that's the harsh climates are i i don't i like southern california way too much there's something amazing about the people that come from those spots though they have a different there's a different sort of like mentality that they possess it's for a [ __ ] like me it's uh it's so attractive wow this this guy that's a man right there he doesn't have a bank account he's got some beaver skins he's got a trade for gasoline for his [ __ ] snowmobile and he's driving around where it's 80 below zero and he's running traps and that's how he feeds his kids yeah this guy there's a [ __ ] show called mountain men where this guy takes a plane every winter he flies he leaves his family behind he flies for months and camps out in the woods he's got these shacks up there and he runs these trap lines and just kills animals in the winter time it's like apparently easier to kill them because they're desperado and they go and find the bait and snap down on them yeah and this guy just takes it all and freezes them and skins them and brings him back home he lives out there by himself for months and months at a time no phone no nothing yeah just a wood house a wood house and a snowmobile jesus and yeah in this party could you do it could you do it i don't know i guess you could if you had to like if that was your life if there was no way around it if it's like listen um you know they came to you and said hey
uh there's a [ __ ] there's a nice age coming there's nothing we can do about it figure it out we're gonna have to figure it out we're gonna have to about four months out of the year to gather up food and then it's going to be 80 below zero by the time december comes around i can't do it i can't do it but those people are going to die off because you know what people are doing that in anchorage go up there go to fairbanks go up there there's a whole city it's a whole city where it gets so cold that you could freeze to death while you go to get your mail jesus christ you can freeze to death they all carry candles in their car and [ __ ] if you get trapped somewhere you gotta light a candy you can't just sit in your car freeze it down you'll freeze to death damn yeah i didn't know that yeah that's that's not even i mean like i i'm i would love i want to learn a bow hunt and go kill and eat my food but i would definitely want to come home and bring it home tonight my beach house air conditioned house by the beach with the breeze and you know the nice yeah did your dad take you on on like hunts and and fishing trips um he came into my life my my step-dad the hunter um later on where i mean i would love that's my goal is to now eventually take him on like one last hunt you know because he's the man's bulletproof but you know because he doesn't hunt anymore i want to go up to alaska and and and i don't want to kill anything i can bear anything i want to kill some i'm just going to eat like right right right elk caribou you gotta get you know but something difficult but my dad on the other side we were fit was just all fishing so we're always hunting something right right right and it's it's it's definitely i love doing it i love i mean i also need to go fishing again do you feel like that that's a primal thing too that almost i mean not obviously on the same level as fighting but there's something about like the satisfaction that you get from acquiring your own food it's a very primal thing it's the most intimate thing you can share with another creature is taking its life sound like a [ __ ] psycho
if i was a [ __ ] fbi profiler i'm like yeah i'm going to follow your twitter from here on out pal what it's true because you get to send it off i'm not you just get to get to kill something and eat it no i know i'm [ __ ] with you obviously we're joking around but um i know what you mean i killed a deer for the first time in my life last winter and uh it's a very intimate feeling when you're eating the liver of an animal that you just shot a couple hours ago it's weird you know tastes [ __ ] delicious tastes unbelievably delicious and the reality is it's the most ethical way to approach it because that animal is probably not going to survive much longer anyway exactly it gets unfucking believably cold in montana in the winter and a lot of them just freeze to death there's a [ __ ] up picture jamie have you seen this [ __ ] of uh an elk frozen to death standing up yeah you want to know how brutal colorado gets [ __ ] check this [ __ ] out there's an elk that they found that froze to death like trying to cross a lake or something like that just like standing up frozen it was uh trying to how whatever it was maybe tall snow and it's stuck standing up and animals have eaten big chunks off of it so it is like this freaky carcass of this standing up zombie elk that's uh that has like these chunks taken out of its body but it's frozen standing up oh man you find it how dare you that sound you got it let me see it this is going to freak you out i'm sure there's people that have some more mma questions you're going to [ __ ] stop talking about animals talk about mma you're [ __ ] queer hey don't be mean you hate her folks look at this look at that [ __ ] elk dude are you [ __ ] me can you see it in that picture is there a better picture there's got to be a better picture than that man see if you can find the the actual picture because the actual picture of the high-res picture is [ __ ] crazy this thing's frozen standing up and
big chunks are bitten off of it that looks [ __ ] up my point is we're such [ __ ] here in california that's true it is true i i it comes the weather yeah yeah exactly but um on the other hand it's uh it's a great place to develop you for your mma fighter i mean look at there's a picture holy [ __ ] it's even crazier than it looked i mean they're they they're eating holes straight through it yeah it's just the body like you could see the spine and like the organs are all missing in the top area like by the spine and the organs are all like chewed outside of course the acid was eaten of course it's delicious what you're gonna do [ __ ] they probably ate the [ __ ] before it even died like oh [ __ ] what we got here sharp i'm a bear actually it was a bear there'd be nothing that has to be probably a coyote or something like that because they didn't even knock it over or chew through the bone wolves would have probably chewed right through the what am i a wildlife expert listen to me like i'm a [ __ ] like i'm the crocodile hunter like a zoologist or some [ __ ] the [ __ ] son so uh let me ask you about some some upcoming fights because people people always request this and i never get around to it when when fighters are on um to talk about upcoming cards because there's a bunch of like really interesting fights coming up that people are interested in first of all i got to ask you what do you think about anderson and chris weidman to rematch that fight i think this time obviously chris you know can beat him i think but i i don't think he's going to i think i think anderson's going to blast him quick i i really i saw a turn in that second round where i just i thought that the title completely turned and anderson does the same thing he always does and it's one two dip you know he just because it's mma guys don't know how to box very well it's just a straight basic one two right and he always goes the same way
one two and then if you start to pressure him he goes back and dips to that side it's it's the same watch other video it's what he does you know and i i don't know if wyman might have not even known it but all he did was take one step i bet ray longo knew it yeah all he did was you know flash he kind of stepped into southpaw flashed out a jab and then through the hook yeah and it was ugly it wasn't it wasn't beautiful textbook punching but it worked well you know that's that same hook that he knocked your ryah hall out with he has a weird long hook where he is his arm like fully extended and he catches you on the end with like is his hand turned exactly and and and anderson's used to being out here yeah you know and he already got crack coming in so it's he i mean he just got lazy or overconfident or whatever it was and but i i think that he i would love to see him in blitz wideman just because i want to see anderson do it to somebody because he does it so beautifully nothing against chris right i know what you're saying i know what you're saying he's the most beautiful guy to watch as far as movement by far yeah yeah he's um it's hard to wrap your head around that he could like a guy like chris weidman and want to see him get [ __ ] up people don't understand that it's not what it is it's just you want to see the performance exactly i want to see i want to see a beautiful performance and no one makes it more beautiful than anderson and when it's against a really tough guy it makes the performance all the more spectacular exactly i'm a huge rich franklin fan i've always been a rich franklin fan he's a great guy he was a great champion so when anderson beat franklin for the title i knew how [ __ ] tough rich franklin is yeah so it made it all the more crazy when you're watching that you're like jesus christ like if you don't know how tough lee murray is if you don't know how tough lee murray is watch lee murray versus anderson silva watch first of all watch leigh murray versus a host of other [ __ ] that he just slept with like one punch like emir renovation he slept himself he was a sniper he had a piston of a
right hand so that guy different breed that he's an animal psychopath well he's in jail right now listen to this podcast he listens to the podcast morocco yes well i think he's still in morocco yeah i'm probably living in a castle they probably got like a little manhole in his gym in his uh his cage rather and like as soon as the guards yeah he went got a girl pregnant while he's in the kitchen he's in prison he probably has like a little manhole and he opens it up and it's like [ __ ] sodom usain's palace underneath the gym it's he's a crazy criminal character yeah but he was an excellent fighter very a very dangerous striker and anderson silva just ran it on him and the way he attacked him so systematically and took his legs out from under him and anderson just fought brilliantly and also showed a [ __ ] world-class chin yeah you know which is interesting because this is the first time we've really seen anderson staggered and hurt yeah and stopped it's never happened before and it's it's it's such a cliche it's the shot you didn't expect exactly so cliche but even on a great fighter like anderson i mean even on a great fighter like anderson it's so hard to believe but it's a shot that you didn't expect yeah and it perfectly landed point of the chair and rip legs go that's it lights are amazing but it's also i think in a way it's it's poetic that he's the guy who got caught that way yeah because as much as i'm a huge anderson silva fan and i would never not be the guy was like a human highlight reel of excellence that's how i would describe anderson silva's career just affection perfection but it's good for young guys to see it's good for young guys coming up to go okay that can happen even to that guy yeah you can't do that that can happen either but you can do that though sometimes you can do it only only for so long yeah or with depends on who you're fighting too and what's the circumstance you know you know what fight i'm looking forward to man it's [ __ ] two this weekend uriah hall and john doomsday howard oh they're going to slug it out [ __ ] yeah they are going to beat the crap out of
each other that's good people who don't know if you don't remember john howard and you know you've seen her uriah hall from tough who just had some of the most wicked knockouts in the history of the [ __ ] competition the ultimate fighter is like the the highlight reel of the ultimate fighter without a doubt at the top sarah hall oh by far without a doubt that wheel kick ko that the right hand to make it into the finals i mean he's a [ __ ] monster man he is really tough his striking is so but you know who throws [ __ ] hammers doomsday john howard turns and he's a good hammer striker he's really able to do that and i i think it's ah man that's that's a tough call i'm gonna have to go with your eye i think but i mean if anyone's gonna end up spoiling that party it's gonna be howard well you know vicious howard is also only like five seven yeah that's what i'm saying is sure yeah it's interesting but yeah i wonder i mean he's a thick [ __ ] there's some guys that even especially as they get older in their career they actually do better when they go up and wait you know i wonder if that's gonna be the case or i wonder if he can carry that power that 170 power that [ __ ] carries that power no matter what he hits so hard yeah it doesn't i mean he's got that kind of hit hard where it doesn't matter if he goes up a weight class you know it's probably the guy's going to be able to absorb it better but he he throws some stupid one punch power hall's got a very diverse game too though hall does a lot of wild [ __ ] yeah that and that's a very because when you're the guy that's that's very very muay thai you know sometimes that random shit's either gonna work really well or it's gonna get you in some trouble and you're gonna take a [ __ ] beating that's true right if you miss and you slip and your back has turned and you're just gonna get bludgeoned especially if you can catch your legs it's i think that it's interesting it's a it's an interesting thing because uriah has a i mean obviously has a lot of muay thai skills as well but he also has a lot of traditional like karate style taekwondo style techniques it's always interesting when you see those the clash of those
two yeah i was actually just talking to uh leota's brother on the way back to the from the from the fight to the hotel and uh it's kind of awkward he's like ah so who do you think won oh [ __ ] i was like uh and honestly that fight sucked it wasn't the best fighter but i enjoyed it it was i didn't i wouldn't say that fight it was just well i mean for i don't know i didn't like it very much because i i think that neither of them did enough to to to really win that much i mean it was it was a toss-up it was it was just not exciting to me oh you're so crazy i thought it was very exciting it was just oh you're so crazy ian mccoy it was just one of those things that i mean it had it had flashes of brilliance both guys are awesome i like both guys a lot it just it just was a bad matchup it didn't work out well you know what i think i think that it wasn't as exciting as it could have been because not a lot of action took place but to me it was very entertaining because i was watching a puzzle take place that's true and i was watching it trying to be solved i was watching phil davis try to hit the takedown i was watching leota try to defend land shots and phil davis landing shots of his own you know and it's interesting you know if it was just a kickboxing match it would be curious to see how it would have gone down but you throw in the wrestling and you know davis accounted himself very well on the feet which i think surprised a lot of people you know you look at the way machida knocked out ryan bader you look at the way machida knocked out thiago silva machida's used that sniping style on some really highly skilled strikers and [ __ ] them up you know especially the thiago silva fight i mean and bader man he caught him with that one punch coming in i mean he's a bad [ __ ] as far as his counters and phil davis didn't really take any of them full clip you know he avoided he took some shots but he rolled with a lot of them he had good defense took a good shot like he showed good chin yeah constantly well he never was squared up he was const he was constantly moving back and forth and and had good head movement but you know i think machida
landed more strikes oh yeah you know so it becomes a matter of what's more important is the takedown more important but when you do you hit a takedown what how much damage was actually accomplished during the takedown exactly do you feel like there's like a an overhaul that needs to be done of the scoring oh yeah they definitely need to figure this out because there's been so many i mean put my my shitty call aside i mean there's been so many that are bad yeah i mean they need to have uh um maybe it's a scoring system where a takedown is this much you know but it just has to be like thought over by a big group people to just to just figure out every angle you know and and because people are going to keep on getting screwed no matter what and for folks who don't understand again we talked about if you're not like a fan of the sport the the the state athletic commission is the one who uh choose the judges and you know the rules are in place essentially like piggyback from boxing yeah they they took the 10-9 system so one fighter uh if they win they get ten points if they lose the round they get nine points and the difference is in a boxing match there's ten nine and then there's ten eight if there's a knock down it's like it's easier to define ten seven if there's two knock downs it's pretty easy to define it's very rare that a fighter gets knocked down but wins the round whereas in mma you're dealing with a longer round and you're dealing with all these other variables kicks and takedowns near submission attempts if a guy like peppers a guy with uh with strikes and then he gets taken down but absolutely nothing happens while he's on the ground he just ties the guy up how much damage does he take and is it equal to all the punches that he landed before you were taking he was taken down it becomes a weird situation of like what's worth more forcing the fight into the area where the fighter wants it whether it's through a takedown or forcing the fight by standing up and landing strikes like by stopping right what is more what's worth more is it a you know a takedown or defending yourself and attacking from the guard and getting a near submission yeah like
if a guy takes you down but you almost get him in a triangle like hmm does a judge really know how to score that correctly that's it gets tricky right especially not some random person who got their job just because they know uh yeah they know someone who works there yeah i mean i'm sure they teach them some stuff but my take on it has always been there's so many fans out there that would love that gig and they're like huge fans of mma and would do a good job a much better job yeah i think it should be like a yelp thing an internet yelp thing i should do would just do that at the ufc from now on we should do online vote give them an opportunity for an online metro pcs vote metropcs let's make this happen yes maybe a bud light vote bud light bud light doesn't like us anymore the culinary union got rid of them i think it's bud light or miller whoever it was i don't know um overeem and browns this weekend too man um i want travis to win because i'm i'm you know i'm friends with him but can he i mean over him is too cocky you know maybe you know we we saw that in in the in the silva fight he got knocked out he's a better fighter technically than i think just about anyone in the heavyweight division if you break down just about each aspect but i don't know if he's lazy or what it is he does he gas out it's just there's something wrong with him well i think he also has to deal with his hormones i mean yeah of course there's a reality of that yeah let's be honest here yeah you can't not talk about that exactly he had a completely different shape to his body when he came back after testing positive for testosterone so when when you do that you know i mean and i you know i have no reason to believe that he didn't accidentally get this injection by this doctor who was going to fix his shoulder it might have happened that way you know or it might have been that in pride and there's other organizations in k1 you could get away with doing things and then when you get off those things the problem is your body doesn't exactly know what the [ __ ] can do exactly because your your testosterone is really low and so he tested like really low for his last
fight against bigfoot yeah like almost in like a dangerous area like oh that's a professional athlete and this is like really low and you're that big yeah so it's interesting and it's unfortunate because man you juice that dude up and he's a [ __ ] yeah you know when rushing when he was fighting brock lesnar and i'm not saying he was juiced up but let's just say for instance if he was juiced up then god damn he looked good and scary dude that fight against brock lesnar he ragdolled lesnar he slammed those kicks into his body and he was kicking lesnar when lesnar was just like ultra wrestler yeah he didn't give a [ __ ] he's still slamming kicks into him kicks his knees into his midsection me and him in the clinch and lesnar couldn't take him down you're like how is this 300 pound guys that were just clubbing each other like oh dude whatever he was on let's say he was on nothing yeah whatever that that shape that he was in back then that's the scary ovary yes it is that's the overeem that everybody thought was going to be the greatest heavyweight of all time just wicked ground games amidst vitor belford wins the abu dhabi trials i mean he's he's a [ __ ] he won the europeans yeah as you know a grappler straight grappler that's a that's a big [ __ ] fight man you know what else a big fight travis uh uh excuse me matt brown versus mike pyle that's another very interesting thing it's a good fight i'm gonna i'm gonna go mike yeah yeah i think kyle's too crafty yeah that's exactly what i think it is i think that that brown's good i mean he's you know he's obviously been here forever for a reason but i think that uh that pile's too crafty he'll he'll end up getting him with something piles of crafty [ __ ] he's he's an underdog man not in this fight necessarily i'm sure he probably is listed as an underdog with matt brown coming off his last fight but i mean in that division he's like a dark horse he could be a lot of the top guys you know and everybody that trains with mike pyle will tell you that like mike pyle in the gym is this
[ __ ] yeah like he's even guys that have beaten him he [ __ ] trounces in the gym you know it's like he's sort of coming into his own final as a fighter and he's had a long career already but matt brown is a special kind of savage yes there's a there's a darkness to that man's heart when he [ __ ] comes after dudes you could like you could smell the devil in the room when he's beating on dudes i'm telling you man that fight with jordan meehan that that was a fight to the death that was a fight to the death man i saw that fight that was an incredible fight incredible [ __ ] fight he went after me and me and is a tough talented kid yeah he's [ __ ] good and matt brown put a assault on him it was a you smell the devil yeah you smell just just wisp of brimstone as he's beating the [ __ ] out of this dude you're like this guy there's a there's a certain fury that that dude brings into the cage he's got that instinct he's got that that that wants to wear your skin kind of thing all these [ __ ] dudes that went through rehab what is what is about i don't know oh yeah man he had also some similar near-death experiences with drugs why is rory mcdonald so weird his own issues he wanted to work out his own issues but uh it's uh think about um uh court court mcgee yeah another one same sort of situation that dude's fierce man court mcgee is a bad [ __ ] and he doesn't get tired man he never gets down he keeps see that common training there you go elevation with weight vests running hills the [ __ ] dude runs miles with a weight vest on he doesn't get tired he's a tank yeah he's a scary dude and it's the same thing these dudes that go through crazy adversity even if it's self-imposed adversity like drugs there's some you guys been to the other side is that what it is yeah sometimes i don't ever want to go back but you you you have had like a near-death experience i died but i mean you didn't die but i got hit with like three epipens in the paddles did you see aliens um no there was no light i woke up in
the hospital with my brother just shaking his head at me whoa so you didn't know anything and this was a real overdose this wasn't like oh i overdosed and they'd let me out the night that night no i was in the hospital for a week whoa like i aspirated like i had pneumonia like i i actually was dead and they brought me back was it pills yeah it was a mix of pills and alcohol and more pills and this other pills and some ghb and some oh god damn i just and i was sober for a while and i just went right and i just used me getting a tattoo as an excuse to get [ __ ] up and it uh i literally i remember i remember parts of it and then i remember waking up in the hospital with just like you know one of my friends and i don't know how the hell she got there still this day i never even asked dude you should stop your story right now and make the rest of it up and write a book about what i learned on the other side how many dudes get to go to the other side just make a dope book about it make some [ __ ] up like i saw the light you could do it you've been in the heavens you came back man you can tell us some [ __ ] just makes me it's true don't tell anybody okay so you know what i really wanna know what happened do you feel um like that you have like a second chance at life yeah definitely feel like i have a second chance uh and it's did it feel like that like tangibly like wow i kind of gotta get this thing right um no because i still [ __ ] up after that you know i still honestly i still dropped the ball a couple times after that i still just you know i'm running out of time is it three minutes left i'm i'm a constant threat to myself oh please get it together dude you're such a fun guy that's what i'm i'm working i'm a work in progress i love underdog stories i love when a dude pulls it out like you you [ __ ] it up in the beginning gets it on track i love those stories because i think i think they're beneficial for everybody yeah i think i'm i'm not a perfect person i've never been a perfect person i've made a lot of
[ __ ] mistakes and i think in talking about mistakes not only do i get like some jokes and relief out of them like other people can you could realize like oh he's sucked at life too yeah you know it's it's there it's therapy for me to be able to to to explain my story yeah be like you you're taking it to a whole new level is what i'm trying to say it's like my stories are [ __ ] ridiculous compared to yours i mean you [ __ ] died dude all right that's about as [ __ ] up as you can get you you've [ __ ] up so bad your body said we [ __ ] quit and then science came along shocked this dummy back to life we need him around oh look man look at that you die and then you come back and have some awesome fights i'm back it's amazing yeah dude let's do this again let's do it let's do it more often i i i live close enough we're all head up here close enough and i'll just drive a faster car that's what you got to deal with you need a helicopter [ __ ] maserati's not fast listen congratulations on on all your progress and thank you very much it's been a lot of fun you can follow him on on twitter it's uncle creepy mma on twitter and uncle creepy mma on instagram as well i tagged it in a picture i took of us earlier today uh thanks man it's a lot of fun it was fun thank you thanks everybody thanks our sponsors stamps.com legalzoom on it uh yeah you know the [ __ ] deal folks don't just tell you go to the beginning of the podcast you want to know the codes see ya [ __ ] uh we'll be back next week with uh all sorts of goodies uh much love to you all and uh i'll see you guys in boston this weekend [Music] [Music] you