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weirder if it was limbless or if it had limbs it couldn't move paralyzed can move they hug you with his Nubs right with his nub but that's why it was freaky it felt because it responds to you like a human and it's cute you immediately anthropomorphize it and you you start to respond to it like it's alive and at some point it'll be so good at responding that by all measures that we know about when it comes to knowing if you're sub you have a subjective experience or if you have a subjective we just believe that they're conscious and at that point are they just going to be these living thinking things that we keep like limbless behind like a you know behind a rope so people can like throw money and look at I mean it was just freaked me out the presentation of it I didn't think it was a I don't think they're going to I think one thing that people haven't thought of with robots yet is that they think that they're going to be confined to one form I think the reality is going to be that they're going to be able to disassemble into individual droplets if they want to they're going to be these self assembling things that can kind of like the Terminator remember became liid the new what it's going to be it's going to be like but think about that in a way it's kind of like time lapsing reality because what are atoms if not self assembling entities that link up with other atoms that become cells and then those cells like self assembl into into into tissues and organism I mean the whole story of the universe the whole the opposite of entropy is extropy right the things that move towards greater complexity and self- Assemble so people talk about robots or nanotechnology it just it's like an acceleration of it so that it becomes discernible to us from this scale and this is funny because it's that already exists when McKenna talks about his DMT experience he calls him self transforming machine elf so it's almost as though he's com in contact with a future version of what these uh Androids are going to be well just stop if you think if you accelerated life I mean time is all it's it's all our perspective because if you accelerated our life human life the experience of humanity but accelerated at times a billion and you got to see the first single cell become
multicellular and and and on cities rise people fly and then the Earth crash again you got you would get to see it all in like some sort of a psychedelic trip that only takes 3 minutes and you would see the the earth form out of the cosmos I mean you could that's that's psychedelic I mean that might as well be a mushroom 100% I mean if you could like literally persective it's a time thing it's all perspective like even when you see time laps of trees growing I mean it's like you see the tree and it aims towards the Sun the plants like aim towards the Sun the flowers Blossom I mean it's kind of crazy it's almost like agency itself which is that that what they call the you know the life force that there's agency even plants seem to have it through time lapse like you see agency intent like it wants to go towards what does that say Kevin Kelly okay the the trippy W co-founder of wired in his book what technology wants he calls technology the technium he says it's the seventh Kingdom of life and that it also has wants and needs and he says that if we were able to zoom out and remove ourselves from the being the co-participants in in creating technology it would actually look like the technology itself is self assembling and has a direction like the time- lapsing of plants which is crazy and then when McKenna was tripping out and he starts talking about singularities hello here the echo with KW and McKenna McKenna's tripping on DMT and talking about singularities he's talking about universes that engender novelty universes that allow the sprouting of new possibility it's the same thing that Kevin Kelly's writing about in his Tech technology book so you see like the respected technologists writing these books about what's happening you know even Eric Schmidt the age of augmented Humanity in Google Google represents the literalization of the Psychedelic dream you know the literalization of the idea that we are expanding our minds with these Technologies whether they be chemical Technologies or whether they be these external Technologies and what you're saying this is why it's hilarious when you hear people start railing against it's unnatural we shouldn't do it because what you're saying is like no there appears to be some form of transcendent invisible architecture that
all things grow upon in a similar way whether it's plants technology humans it just stretches on this invisible framework and reveals what's hidden in underneath all things which seems to be this ever perfecting ever complexifying harmonious expression that's right and Pierre dardin who was a famous Jesuit priest called it the Omega point he called it the Omega point he got pushed out of the church because he basically sort of divinized the idea of the singularity and he was using the language of God but he was talking about this move towards complexity and the phenomenon of man and man was the point in which Evolution became self-aware and started directing its own Evolution doesn't that Echo what we were talking about at the Futures conference so you see these Echoes you see these patterns that connect you know the whole idea of cyberdelics right cybernetics and computers and then psychedelics and you know chemical Technologies and they Collide in what's known as cyberdelic that all started in the' 60s and 70s in Silicon Valley when the computer scientists were tripping on LSD and working on Creative problems yeah serox Park augmenting human intelligence there's a book called by John marov called what the door Mouse says which talks about that where that came from I mean you have to think that these people were out of their minds when they were conceiving of a world in which these computers could be wirelessly sending our thoughts across time and space at the speed of light and that we're all going to be connected and see our faces on these like machines like I mean you have to be in a way psychologically or metaphorically tripping to even think so far outside the box so that's why like Da Vinci was so fascinating yeah a lot of the stuff that he came up with it really didn't come to fruition in that form but you could see that he was like thinking of these Concepts like way ahead of everybody else yeah he he was just really like what a fascinating fascinating guy that must have been completely envisioning the future knowing that he's just stuck with these [ __ ] do you think he could have any regular conversation with anybody I doubt it you think he can walk along pretend they cared about what happened to the Coliseum last night did you hear
about the potatoes or tainted the potatoes are no good we're going to riots we can fly he's drawing a [ __ ] helicopter in his backyard yeah yeah can you imagine that's so far ahead of the curve it's just it's but it stands to reason of that some people are born with bigger dicks and other people have larger ears some people just have a part of the brain or the ability to tune into creativity D Vin's teacher well it sounds like I mean was he was he was was he a wealthy guy like did he come from a background where he had time for no I do not know any of the history must have he didn't make any money at these things well here the thing I was reading an article today that said you know even though human beings evolved about 200,000 years ago the first art the first signs of like religion or you know contemplative thinking didn't appear until the cave paintings that are like 70,000 years old so if we've had the same brains for 200,000 years but you didn't see the beginning of humanness or imagination until about 70,000 years ago why did it take so long if we've had the same brains and the idea is that we it's like maso's hierarchy of needs those first 100,000 years we didn't even have enough food we didn't kind of organized Society it was only when we could afford the Leisure Time that all this other stuff it's like paying back Al loan you mostly pay interest at first and and then one cent on the that's what it and then eventually you're paying like only two cents of Interest the rest offf yeah so you get it all so like they they took 99% of their time just dealing with Staying Alive 1% to get to wherever they were going M hierarchy of needs and it's like as a collective Human Society at some point we were able to we had enough hunters and we had enough organization maybe that we could feed ourselves and there the beginning of free time the beginning of eating psychedelic chemicals and making cave paintings and shanic dances and all fre whoever free time is my God think about countries today civilizations today that are living like that have you heard about these people in India there there's an Island an uncontacted island off of India and recently these within the last few years these fishermen inadvertently
got drunk in their boat and drifted into the shore and these people killed them they killed them and then the the authorities were trying to figure out how to get to the bodies without getting shot at by these people when having to kill them cuz there there's not that many left there's maybe like 40 or 50 and they have no contact with other human beings they are barbarians they're total 100% complete Savages that are living off the land fishing with homemade Nets how do you put them under just like they they're controlling themselves who are you to they put them under your thumb yeah well it's it's not only that they won't even go in there to retaliate against murder which is fascinating to me it's like the the anthropologists are so concerned with keeping this intact and studying the civilization in some sort of a way to try to see I mean this they're almost like their own country and they were attacked well no no wased AB board and they just killed the guy didn't even talk to him first you know I mean he might have been a respected member of the community within six months you they didn't even give him a chance hello can you help me out my rud seems broken and this this Tales of cannibalism but um it's hard to substantiate but it's not outside the realm of possibility so you might be dealing with cannibals that we uh allow to kill people because they're so primitive that we don't want to [ __ ] up what they've cuz there's only like 40 of them why do we want to preserve that isn't that interesting CU there is a Sentimental Instinct in humanity that wants to preserve everything in everything a hamburger place goes under everyone cries yeah it's like an instinct that people want to do that and a lot of people say that's like you know that's part of our humanity is is keeping intact cultures and religions and keeping intact all these ideas because the they they you can see that with this thing that's emerging this thing that's em merging is so far is so much bigger than some old desert religion and the bigger it gets and the more this thing emerges the more its light begins to shine so brightly that all these silly little superstitious ideas begin to seem increasingly ridiculous yeah I mean our
Consciousness is becoming so expanded that it's almost like you know we're able to like all of a sudden turn around and see ourselves and I know that sounds almost like it's impossible shape but like the first time that we can actually do that and we can see ourselves sort of out of context just like in 1969 when astronauts first took a picture of the Earth from the vantage point of space I mean that's literally like the human mind was folding in on itself because how is it possible to for a human brain that emerged from the Earth to then see the Earth not from the earth you know what I mean it's like the Earth looking at itself like that's what was happening CU we are like a seed of the planet and then we left the planet and turned around and took a picture how about the Mind Fox of the shots from the Voyager from orbit where you see Earth as like like a Little Dot my God yes yeah they sent something out there and it's still taking pictures of us and it's it's so [ __ ] far away that we're like a little tiny Dot and then you get a sense of what this thing really is for nothing compared to all of it it's Insanity it's Insanity it doesn't even how do you reconcile yourself though to that like think about the average person how do you accommodate to yourself to the idea that everything you know the vast expanse the repository of experience of your entire life is is a blink of a blink of a blink on a grain of a grain of a grain of a grain like well instead of turning it that way I mean that's it it's like you don't matter at all why not just enjoy yourself well you do matter though that's not true you want it to mean something it does I want fly no it does it does mean something it means something to you right now it's tangible it's real it means something to the people that you're in contact with there's nothing unreal or unnatural about it because it's temporary but do do you have attachments or you don't have attachments well you do it's natural but there's this connection that you have to this greater gigantic thing doesn't negate the small moments in your life it doesn't negate video games that you enjoy it doesn't negate finding like the perfect porn of jerk off to it doesn't negate a sandwich
that you enjoy yes give yourself happiness until you're gone and no remember you but but I don't agree that it doesn't matter because it does matter it matters to you right now and although that that seems ridiculous so does life itself so does Every Breath You Take well hold your breath stupid you don't you don't think the breathing important hold your breath of course it's important don't be silly like this the existential ideas can overwhelm the reality of the situation and the reality of the situation is you would like to stay alive and for the most part it's fun you know and if it's not fun you've managed your right your life incorrectly but you know but you know what's interesting about what you just said is that you know you you've eloquently stated something that's in actually very difficult for most people to experience most people either have to have like they have to be half asleep which means means ignore the overwhelming universe and just just be barely present and then other people are awake to this overwhelming Universe Brian's right here and he can hear you you know you're talking about him like he's not here he's he's jabing it red band no we're not we're just bringing him into the conversation no but it's it's like you know Albert Kimu the existentialist said life should be live to the point of tears right everything has been figured out except how to live and this the question onions and hot sauce he was just a freak like that oh yeah yeah it was a big misunderstanding onions and hot SOG hot sauce afficionado and everybody was like oh he's just like really deep you know how he you know how he died he had a train ticket that he was going to take a train to get to his destination his friends are like no let us drive you and they got an accident yeah it's like a bad terrible decision but go on with your K quote cuz I love my mother died yesterday might been the day before I can't remember it's like what's that my mother died yesterday or it might have been the day before I can't remember K opening line of the stranger just disconnected completely I remember reading it and I found it really depressing well I guess my whole question is okay so in the face of an infinite Universe with our minds we can ponder something close to the infinite
yet the irony is that we're housed in these heart pumping breath gasping decaying bodies you know Ernest Becker who wrote the denial of death says we are Gods with anuses think of how brilliant that is so the idea that we are these Transcendent beings but every single day we are reminded that we have met metabolism it's funny Becker thinks that God doesn't have an anus how does he know would an [ __ ] would be so presumptuous but still how do you how do you Recons it's the only species that can really like lose sleep over the fact that we are mortal beings you know we we can barely sustain the here and now because we know that one day we might be dead and so what do we do do we just lose ourselves in diversions and sex and drugs Well here here's my problem with this whole line of think here's my problem with this whole line of thinking what is the average person do what do the average person do how about turn the question Inward and say what do you do and tell everybody what you do because that's how we figure it out through you telling me how you're managing it I tell you but when you start going what does the average person do well the reality is we're all the average person we're all the average person the average person varies in our our significance especially like yes absolutely in our significance we are all the average person 100% yeah when someone says that all men are created equal not really but yes yeah not really in this experience but yes you know there's Einstein there's stepen Hawkings there's [ __ ] L OS there's a lot of weird people in this world but there there I think there's a responsibility as you as a technology emerges and science begins to show us the truth uh of reality these responsibilities begin to emerge that create ethical dilemas for societies which is when you have large swaths of the human population being controlled by tyrannical fundamentalist religious people who are basing everything they do on a a fantasmal being that clearly doesn't exist and outdated rituals that are are are are just rotting Galileo apologize yes what do you do because in those situations at some point it's like well you do have a right you obviously there's freedom of religion you want to give people freedom of religion but simultaneously it's like well but why
are you cutting girls clitorises off like you know what I mean it's almost like it's almost like you know we we need an upgrade you know like religion was a technology that at least informed people with the the the illusion of meaning so that they could you know as they say you can live for a week without food three days without water but not a minute without hope you know like so that gave us hope and Ernest Becker says that was the first solang on for a minute yeah that was the first Sol whoever said that never ate a pot brownie because there's [ __ ] hours with no hope yeah and you get through it you get through that [ __ ] get through it and you learn you learn when you hit the other side you learn when you hit the other side well that's interesting well you you know you we talked about aasa and DMT which as Eric Davis says Baseline reality dissolves there's a complete ego death and a new reality emerges or it just [ __ ] with your visual cortex and you add it all with your ego and your psyche and your creativity and you just you have the ability to generate images inside the mind's eye with your creativity and you just create a [ __ ] world of geometric patterns because that's how your eyeball works when it's over flooded with too much DMT that's how your visual cortex response that's what when it's 10 times the normal dose in maybe that too just like when you have a cut it clots yeah but you know how it responds to that this is what I always say when people say how do you know whether or not a DMT trip is real like what you know like you're pretending like that that really happened you really did speak with intelligent beings from the planet yeah the reality is whether or not you really did go to another dimension and speak with these super intelligent beings who are made out of love or whether it didn't happen at all either way you experience the same thing right sure you get to hear the message you get to see the exact same thing as if it was real like literally you you know where that was explored brilliantly do you guys remember the movie contact yeah bed on the Carl book so she is a secular scientist she doesn't want to hang out with like you know Matthew MCC who's a priest she doesn't believe in God in fact at first they try not to let her go
she she but see that's how the Matthew MCC he [ __ ] cuz even though she didn't want any of that he still [ __ ] her yeah boom son Bo she what happened at the end of the movie she went right through the Wormhole and went to these saw these alien civilizations had experience that sounded like a religious experience except it was you know a sci well from the perspective of Earth Through the Wormhole it just looked like the ship just ran right through so nobody believed her but she had the experience so all of a sudden she was sounding like the religious people or like the people that were tripping that said they saw the elves and all of a sudden she as the scientist was had to cast doubt on her own experience because she yeah saw the evidence like when you Tred DMT you know already what that is it doesn't just hit you like what the [ __ ] and your mind just explodes you know you're taking something so you can make reason of it I could totally see like what was it that must be God and let me tell other people about this totally see that way SCH in Jerusalem legitimate Scholars now that believe that that's what Moses saw when he saw the burning bush what that he saw the acacia tree the acacia tree which is rich in DMT and it's really common to that area the idea is that this bush or the extraction of this bush was burning and that's how he had this religious experience he saw God he had a DMT trip this is like this is not they caught a puff of this tree like on fire that's one of the W that's just a theory but the primary focus is of achieving this theory is that Moses most likely had a psychedelic experience because we know that these substances are not new and plus he said he got the tablets that God gave him but he smashed them before he got down the hill he he was mad cuz they made the golden count he smashed nobody ever saw the [ __ ] tablets yeah he was tripping and that researcher does a lot of mush you yeah he could have been like yeah I don't know I smashed him destroy the evidence the talking about it's high but that's very similar to when Terence McKenna thoughts about the stoned ape hypothesis obviously but there's um there's a guy called Rich Doyle he wrote a book called Darwin's Pharmacy and it's about sex plants and the evolution of the
neosphere and he talks about psychedelic substances as information technologies that manipulate our ability to capture and manage attention so they create what he calls infinite resonance with set and setting say it again infinite resonance with set and setting that's why when people talk about like psychedelic experiences like make sure you're in a good head space make sure you're set setting because if you have infinite resonance with set and setting resonance like you're you become completely porous to whatever is around [ __ ] talking mumbo jumbo no I'm hearing it but I you don't you no longer have the ability it's like turning it's like turning up the volume on existence turning up the volume so loud that if you're in a magnificent place looking at a tree you might think you're looking at God if you're in an uncomfortable situation you're going to go down to the pit mean you know that thing when a microphone gets too loud and you get feedback if you're in a shitty place tripping you can get a feedback infinite feedback just keeps going or you could have be in a beautiful place that you know elicits feelings of calm and sereness and then you can feel like you're by God happy shroomfest by going to be the real happy shroomfest it's that's going to be the real problem when people are able to decide what state of consciousness they experience at that moment not even earn it by being so scared that you take mushrooms cuz every time I've taken mushrooms I've been scared you should be you're about to go through some change yeah I get scared when I eat a pot when I when I eat the last Crum of a pot cookie I'm like oh [ __ ] yeah got deal with start tapping my feet do yeah yeah it's true now is that is that why is that because it's like if you think of the metaphor of skydiving it's the moment where you've already jumped and you're just like I don't know honestly think that there is an accelerating process of self-development that we all go through and that if we are not improving as a human being we feel shitty yeah we don't feel good I don't feel good unless I'm getting my [ __ ] together that's just a fact um I'm I try to be a better person today than I was yesterday for real and it sounds stupid but it's because everybody says
it and very few people like legitimately totally practice it they fall in and out but I feel like that's also one of the reasons why people aren't that happy I feel like if you're not like improving yourself and and and getting rid of your [ __ ] in life it's very difficult to feel good it's very difficult to be enjoying it if you have all these issues that you're not dealing with like about you as a person or you with your job or you you know more and more people talking about it when they say like and I know I've been bad at that and I'm actually trying to get trying to make a note to not be like that anymore they might be telling the truth I mean it's not a process where you know you either get it right or you don't get it right like some people fall back and forth I mean how many people do we know that used to drink and then drank again then stop drinking for a long time and then you know it's like a little battle sometimes with with people to try to improve their [ __ ] Romas Compares it to floating in in the ocean and your head's bobbing up and down sometimes you see the shore and sometimes you don't that's what it's like it's like sometimes you're there and you see it some you can't beat yourself up when you go down you have to have faith that you come back but what you're saying is dead on man because if I'm feeling like [ __ ] what you're saying it's not some broad big thing you've got to do if I'm feeling like [ __ ] nine times out of 10 it's just because I've got dishes in the sink or I didn't go jogging or I didn't like sweep my kitchen it's not like but that but that would be like an example of set and setting right there you know other people say that you know 99% of your problems will go away if you get a good night's sleep like in terms of of them because sometimes you know even when you're sleeping you're thinking about things and you're putting them into perspective yeah I mean how many times you've been really upset when you go to bed and by the time the night is over you're like yeah whatever oh right you let it go sleep on it to do regulating your emotions lost something something that happened like I'm sure to go to bed before you make the phone call talk to about this because you've had a few instances where um like the Amazing Racist stuff like lost you gigs yeah I
just had to get a thing canceled in in in in Ontario that's right yeah somebody yeah now that's got to be frustrating as fuckrating how do you let go of that like when you when you're dealing with something like that how how do you let go of that well sometimes you say I I stop myself I go stop hold on can griping about this change it in any way no all right all right move on so it's like a little moment of dialogue with yourself in a decision yeah if I'm if I'm if I'm in a a long line at the at the uh airport and I'm going to miss my flight I'm I'm like oh come on I keep looking up ahead I'm like are you going to go to the front and ask say I'm about to miss my flight or are you not if you're not then stop griping then just let it was over you interesting I have a friend who's starting a company he wants to create a watch that regulates emotion because people talking about like creating if you we talking about the age of the Quantified Self where we're going to have all these devices that are going watch that what emotions that measures emotion you have everybody know if you're annoyed well it's not going to tell other people it'll tell you so it'll measure your biof feedback rhythms and it'll give you feedback to tell you how you're feeling so that then you can change your behavior if that's what needs to be done feedback loop seems to be the best way to reprogram reflex responses like they're saying that the best way to stop people from doing speeding is not from like actually pulling them over but it's from Those sensors that say your speed and tell you that as you're passing by so receiving feedback is the best way to change Behavior so in terms of like moving towards experience design and the age of the Quantified Self is if if you know you're eating something unhealthy maybe you won't eat it if you're constantly reminded about how you're feeling what you're doing you can really kind of improve yourself and technologically enhanced mindfulness is what that is because it's like how often are you wandering around in a state of absolute Terror pretending everything's fine I'm totally fine having a great day but inside you're like oh [ __ ] man if I don't make enough money I'm not going to make rent but you're pretending to be happy so if you have a watch that's a
bull that's flashing like you're terrified right now you are tense right now talk about it deal with it one of the most important things that uh anybody could ever understand in this life is what happens and what it feels like when you're out of debt you know cuz how many of us how many of us by the time we're 20 whatever the [ __ ] we are we have so much money that we can't pay off credit cards student loans I just last week paid off my college loans oh congratulations 39 isn't that crazy what a crazy Society we have that like everybody by the time they're 30 years old is in some kind of debt unless slavy Super Rich slav a lot of a lot of uh education debt right a lot of Education debt that's going to change with school debt is insane Medical School medical debt those those I think those are those are two systems that definitely need an upgrade I mean that's the thing and this is where we can actually connect that to the ideas that Ray kwell is talking about he's saying that Healthcare is about to undergo the same transformation that information technology went through so that means that the whole idea of how people you know cure themselves or fix diseases this is all going to become like something that's a part of our smartphone and part of our day-to-day life so it's going to change that broken system of healthcare and education also education through the internet free education people around the world coming online joining the global conversation getting free education Harvard uh uh Professor who's offering all his classes online yeah exactly take it yeah it's only the beginning of that and you have these the power of decentralized peer networks that can be leveraged to solve all these problems you know what does that mean what does that mean decentralized peer Network it's the same thing that we talk about self-organization and emergence when like cells link up together and become organisms so you have you have electronic self-organization happening like with social media like when spontaneous when there's leaderless protests that just spontaneous self organized and these Technologies are allow these decentralized peer networks that don't have leaders and don't have a head cut off potentially something like that but so Stephen Johnson's book
future perfect talks about how those can be leveraged to like solve problems you know like cure diseases like Leverage like centralized peer networked networ by the way I love that term because I think one of the big [ __ ] problems is the need that people have to claim responsibility for Innovation and this is this is one of the horrors of our age is that that thing which makes makes people get rich is what motivates people people aren't motivated like when people are trying to cure cancer you like to believe that the reason they're trying to cure cancer is out of some kind of altruistic desire until you see them going to the Supreme Court to try to patent genes because they want to profit off of their research that's pretty weird right it seems like the pro the the idea should be the the the dreamy I know but that's why fiser is giving the researchers the money to research is so that eventually they'll be able to show return on that investment right it's just is strange yeah it is strange strange and you know what the real problem with all of it is that it's not psychedelic that's the real problem is that you can make money and create things but you have to have a psychedelic mindset in order for society to move forward like emotionally put it all behind and friendship wise like if it's not doing that then it's going to get caught up in the ones and zeros collecting the numbers it can be prosperous and still be ethical it's just it's not and the reason why it's not is because the this the when you have a corporation like you get that diffusion of responsibility thing going on which is the opposite of what's psychedelic yes absolutely exactly man it's where the individual has no responsibility for the mass of individuals whereas the Psychedelic experience connect the mass of individuals is connected entirely yes I'm going Joshua trat on Sunday Dude tell me what you're going to do there son let me guess I think you're you're probably gonna do your taxes I'm not going to do my taxes I'm going to do mushrooms under the super moon get your freak on is there a super moon on Sunday Sunday night middle of shroomfest let me tell you something son when you do mushrooms it's always a super moon there's no nons super moon when you do
mushrooms and you realize that there is a [ __ ] planet one quar of the size of ours and it's literally floating above our heads yeah you you doing tent hotel room no tent tent tent out in Josh yeah I've never been there too it should be cool Duncan what are you getting buddy getting beer for you and me yeah all right I have one beer try one of these black but Porters they're delish yeah delicious I I tried drinking with a 23-year-old recently those people are straight out of college they're in training damn they bring shots around like it's nothing and I'm barfing in the street and they're still going they don't give a God I can't yeah your liver is old son yeah it's almost over for have you ever had um Eric Davis on the show Eric Davis is he wrote a book called technosis that I think you guys would love he he kind of writes about the mystical undertones of technology so again like the whole psychedelic cybernetics thing and I just I don't know I wondered if you guys ever had him cuz no never heard of him oh you guys check out this book yeah it's boom sounds good sounds like perfect stuff right at my alley yeah yeah there's so many people like that now thank you sir that's the beautiful thing about this time it's like you know every day there's some new guy who's got a new video or a new song or a new [ __ ] there's so many [ __ ] pieces of something that are being created whether jokes there's more comedians now than ever access to all of it but there's also an infinite amount of content how do you decide what to pay attention to that's one of it's really hard that's get anxiety well that's the the beauty of something like a death squad where like you know what which was the stupid nickname that we all call ourselves like you know that if Ari tells you someone's funny he's not going to be lying about it you know if so people that aren't funny you know but that's good tells me to watch some guy I know he's really funny so the audience knows that too and that's sort of like the beauty of having like bunch of people that have like-minded you tune in and we're all different like there's a lot of alt people that would hate our humor right and the last thing they want to do is be hanging around with us and they're not
wrong yeah they're just not into it not of that style they have a different thing you know I mean but you find your thing whatever it is you know whether it's Johnny Cash or Taylor Swift you [ __ ] follow it and then you know whatever's connected to her yeah I mean those people are going to find it for you yeah I think that's how you do it in today's day and age it's like and that's the beauty of us being able to introduce people like Berke ker or you know anybody else that we brought on to our podcast that all a sudden other people can go oh that guy's really funny like oh and he's friends with this guy oh that guy's really funny too and then Jason Silva like how many people discovered you stuff this was this was one of the biggest thing I ever ever did come on your podcast dude it's been a year later and I still get people saying like to come back and hang out with you guys and have a m job which has been amazing well it's a two-way street though because the whole reason why the podcast is is interesting it's cuz people like you were interested in coming on you know it's right if you only had just me talking after a while i' would be repeating stories like a [ __ ] I'd just be spouting nonsense at this point but you know what's interesting about what what you're saying you know there's a book that talks about the importance of an information diet you know because we live in a world now where there is like an infinite amount of content out there more than 10,000 hours of video uploaded to YouTube every hour some crazy number like that and so the most difficult thing I think be becomes deciding who are going to be your information diet filters like in this case the death squad the peer networks that you are connected to the people you follow oh a lot of people trust NBC by the way when is youe is you leaving us everybody so he's got to go do an Ice House show when is the new shirt coming out pre-order should be up next week so next two weeks or so it's my favorite of all time it's it's head and shoulders it's awesome and the other one is awesome too but this new one is on another level it's dope I want it I want I want a pair of underwear I want a pair of underwear with that on Jesus Christ I don't give a
[ __ ] dude I wear cloth off over my dick not on the podcast Joe I you smello yeah Jason what kind of car do you drive dude oh that was the I don't have a car anymore one of those [ __ ] I'm in New York I used to have one car in New York you don't you don't uh drive cars I mean when I lived here I had a car I wanted to ask you about that Tesla fig oh my God is that the coolest thing of all time it's kind of incredible and they're only going to get better I think they're about to release like the what third or fourth generation now I don't know Martin rothblat had one and when I interviewed her and I got to meet her robot beina 48 you ever seen that her her spouse is a robot rbot fascinating story was a man was a man uh founded serious satellite radio got a sex change became a woman and then created a robot that is a direct copy a duplicate of her spouse and it's W creepy how good it where's spouse well there she's there too okay she's there as well I mean she just loves her so she made a robot for her that's so sweet yeah it's interesting it's like Liberace making that guy uh change his face to him whoa did he really do that he got he got made him get plastic surgery to look more like Liberace that's hilarious did he really is that in that the the HBO thing yeah I always wondered why Matt Damon and Michael Douglas were willing to do that and like they have pictures of those two blowing each other that's the only thing that makes sense well they agreed to do a little like if they came up to you and you were you were Matt Damon and they said Hey listen man I know those born identity movies they were really big and everything blah blah blah blah blah listen you're going to play liberachi's butt buddy and best of all made for TV yeah made for TV you it's on HBO liberace's longtime lover oh I see not in the movies but Buddy's very offensive by the way to my gay friends and I apologize for that but buddy it's butt pirate you guys are so immature it's not mean if you said that a girl was your vagina pal would that be rude vagina pal no it just be embarrassing would be rude but isn't it interesting that a girl can call a guy a dick and there's no repercussions at all they to my heart say and she can even say uh I'm
here to get get some good Jason Silva dick and you wouldn't have any problem with that you'd be like yep I'm dishing it out honey yeah but if a guy says oh I'm here to get some sweet Mary [ __ ] she'd be like what the [ __ ] it's cuz they're The Gatekeepers that's who I am I'm sweet Mary [ __ ] you don't think that's gross and you're like oh my God you're not really my friend can't even J around with you Jason what do you think's gonna happen with these sex Androids what do you see as the future well I think I think I think the sex sex technology will probably be the Pioneer I mean just like with porn the porn industry pioneered DVDs when DVDs were first the thing who do you think was doing the most advanced like multi-angle interactive DVD experiences was the point of this I mean porn as soon as they said phones wasn't going to go with that old style of video all a porn was like cool we'll update yeah exactly the iPhone never did the rest of them like totally I mean we're always going to be driven by of our sexual desires kwell says we'll be able to tap into each other's nervous systems and become each other when we have sex with that's combining with someone imagine actually merging well but no but some people say you know the kamra talks about we've been wanting to merge with our lovers since the beginning of time we want to become one but imagine if we can actually scramble our nervous systems together because we have the Demolition Man device or whatever remember that that's that could be a real mind [ __ ] though if you just find out that you are like the worst in bed ever you feel what it's like to be [ __ ] by you holy [ __ ] look at that that's very elent look at me I'm this oh why am I doing that that's going to be for 16 to 25 Old from take it even better take it so you don't like it take it yeah you come your eyes are pop over like why am I choking myself why won't you let me breathe me or even worse what if you get into her mind like if you can access your girlfriend's needs and desires and you go I want to know what you want and you get in your mind it's just a River of black [ __ ] a sleepy River of disembodied black [ __ ] just shooting shooting sperm like a like like a psychedelic dream you're riding a river of dark black [ __ ] it's not black [ __ ] it's slippery
it's a river Pitbull [ __ ] yeah well you know it's it's going to allow for a lot of creativity in sort of our our sexual Consciousness you know to a multiplicity of Dimensions that we can't even imagine it's the you know psychedelic isation of isn't it amazing though that we that every that drives most a lot of our technology lately but we still have to repress it societally sex well I think that's still has to be like looked on as embarrassing the reproductive Force it's the drive it's the wind and the sales of humanity it's D it drives everything people like what's that have you guys this there's actually like a book about this it's called The Mating mind it was written by Jeffrey Miller and he says that the brain's extraordinary capacities for creativity for discourse for everything we do even build airplanes and iPhones is ultimately our glor version of the peacock feather it's our version of the bird song it's just us Charming to capture and manage the attention of those potential mates it's a way of saying I'm poetic I built that skyscraper or I wrote you this song every joke every comedian's ever told everything justy what's interesting is that the the side effect of this sexual creativity is also responsible for everything wonderful we've created so it talks about the whole thing about sexuality ultimately as a creative act it is cu it's about reproduction But ultimately on a cultural level and on aide dsex level like the whole [ __ ] thing about reproduction seems to be like right we used to think we're getting lured by Nature into making babies but now we see we're being lured by Nature into making spaceships that's that's why the pill changed so much in society too that's why the singularity is a cosmic orgasm is the best way to describe what the The Singularity is it's the universe waking up it's up it's us impregnating the universe with Marshall MCL quote you know that quote human beings are the sex organs of the Machine World wow brilliant that's brilliant Marshall mclan nailed that [ __ ] in the 60s the Machine World like the machines are controlling before computers he figured that out before computers he was an actual genius he also said first we build the tools then they build us right think about that it's happening that's true of course
it's happening much like Da Vinci what a mind [ __ ] it must have been to be operating like that back in the you know what D Vinci also did he figured out how to draw curves how to draw rounded edges in art like no one knew how to like make it like so you have you can't just it's like to go around and like loses frame you know how like a path will go to nothing do that he was the one who I don't know if I remember from high school almost hey whatever let's attribute it to him any he was a good guy he deserves it he put in his hours I love that stuff though because it's like well what aren't we doing now that oh yeah that that we'll have like for granted we'll take for granted in 100 years like what what do you mean they didn't they didn't walk through walls why didn't they true every walked around every time yeah why what a strange World it must have been back then man when you could just die if you got sick most people just died they thought 50% mortality rate children completely and most and know and and there's a lot of people though today that think that the that things are getting worse in the world which is another one of those like mistakes that people make we're living longer than ever we're living longer than ever and there's a guy called Hans rosling who has these amazing videos on the internet that show every nation in the world by every measurable indicator of quality of life has been for the last 100 years no but it just shows that you know cont to what the media in which it bleeds it leads feeds us because we have these overactive fear-based amygdalas that only pay attention to what's wrong we fail to see everything that's going right you know you know what's the most confusing [ __ ] really hot newscasters telling you horrible things that's not confusus she's got big tits and I'm scared out of my mind my dick is hard and I'm ready to run like everything is together yeah so rude you know show me ugly for bad news you're going to tell me some bad news tell like get my high school teach and switch them in when they go and this just and a puppy found alive and healthy ah and then the big tits come out ready to party yeah but you could tell a lot about Bill O'Reilly like I promise you that Bill O'Reilly
loves getting tied up I can I can't say that for sure guess like whatever legal stuff is I guess but I would imagine Bill oy because he's always like on his show it's always these like beautiful yet dominating hot girls that surround him like he likes to be around these types of girls W he yeah he loves it you never see the the women around him on that show as being like submissive to him they're always kind of tough guaranteed they scrub him down when you think about this do you masturbate scrub him down mate thinking about Bill O'Reilly all the time do you imagine ever that you were some really [ __ ] stupid guy like Bill O'Reilly a smart stupid guy like he's a Harvard graduate dummy you know he's one of those guys I'm gonna go with Jesus what does he say his thing about Jesus he's like I'm going to go Jesus I'm going to go with the Jesus guy why does the tide come in why does it go out oh that Dawkins interview and Dawkins the the smile on Dawkins face is the smile of The Lord of the Rings Necromancer is he's crushing just like a little imp or something it was just this what does he say the look on his face cuz he's like dokins though from my taste gets a little too upset what's that Richard you talking about Richard for my for for my Super Genius atheist reasonable people talking to cucko heads I like my uh my atheist to be a little bit more relaxed completely like I I think I think it was a great reaction side what he say to him he shot him Dawkins has got he's a little on the side a hammer smile O'Reilly deserves a oh for sure don't get me wrong but I think that Dawkins uh at his age is is such a Statesman such a well-respected sh off too yeah maybe perhaps and maybe also he feels it's his duty to maybe merci you know to mercenary go after those guys cuz he is the intellectual voice for the atheist you know super important in that way I just wish he would chill and you know one of the things that I found out about him is no psychedelic drugs in his background W true and he talked about how he maybe would be interested in taking LSD under a very clinical setting to explore the merits of the drug you know what that says to me that's that's where the hole is that's where the holees in his game that's why he comes off CUNY well it's interesting because another one of our
atheists he waiting for mant Sam Harris has done psychedelics in fact he wrote an essay called psychedelics in meaning of life which was actually a very brilliant piece and for you know he's an interesting guy because he's an atheist but he has some radical insights about like you know spiritual subjective experience and where he get lumped in with islamophobes you know really yeah but I I don't find that his writing comes across that way a lot of people argue that it does he's a brilliant man and a friend I really like the guy very much um and I really enjoy talking to him because he got such a [ __ ] stupid smart mind yeah his brain is just like firing like a a million hurts oh yeah but the the the thing about the uh the label of islamophobe is like the reality is all ideologies that force people into doing violent things are crazy and try to pretend that they're not to make some people who aren't violent happy yeah I agree seems like intellectually dishonest and that's where the guy has he has courage it's not he's islamophobe not at all he if Islam was Buddhism okay think about Buddhism and by the way this is a radical new sect of Buddhism apparently that's like involved and like ethnic cleansing and some kind ofl I know what you're talking about oh they're [ __ ] up Buddhism like it's the last safe place after being a Mormon you know go to last yeah but I mean apparently Malaysia humans humans are imperfect man I think it's something like that I don't really remember where it was but humans are so imperfect you know and the the idea that uh there's anything wrong with saying that ancient ideologies that involve killing people if they don't believe are [ __ ] bad I mean is doesn't it say that somewhere well you can't be tolerant of intolerance I mean that's the problem with moral relativism and which this fear of like passing any kind of judgment because it's a different religion so what if they beat each other to death do whatever you want but don't let someone do something against someone's will to them 100% you can't tolerate intolerance and behavior like that obviously is intolerance that's where the buck stops Bill Maher has spoken about this you know what's weird though here's what's weird you said Bill Mah Bill Maher gets labeled as an
islamophobe which I find fascinating because progressives for some reason it's almost like they're bullied so they want to make friends with the bully so there's this weird Progressive thing where you don't criticize Islam and if you do you become an islamophobe or if someone is criticizing other religions that's the first thing that they say oh you never criticize you never criticize Islam how come you never say [ __ ] about Islam so it becomes this weird sort of polar because they're so gangster you know they'll kill you if you draw pictures of Muhammad like they take [ __ ] to the next level so the the natural inclination of the biggest [ __ ] on Earth which are the Liberals for the most part let them do it they not only let them do it but support them you're islamophobic you know Bill Martin is islamophobe guess what you should be an you believe a phobe whether it's UFOs or big F chupacabras or Islam or Joseph you're not chisto because you're against them raping little boys if you believe anything that you haven't seen are watched on TV you're an idiot well this is the thing Joe this is a thing this is the thing you were talking about earlier when when it comes to the DMT experience or the Psychedelic experience and the question is does it matter if this is real or not and I think it Ma I think it matters more than anything if it's real we must we must understand reality from subjective reality we must understand if we can we should try to understand it for example um who was it I can't remember who was was talking only only when it affects someone else I would argue but I'm saying it doesn't matter because it's the same experience the the experience is not a tangible rock solid carbon based touch a table experience the experience is this um spiritual with which I [ __ ] hate to use but there's no other way to use a disembodied Consciousness it's a disembodied Consciousness experience why would that be the same as an experience that's real that where you can touch paper here's why here's why um if you take let's take H I can't where is that people go to get healed Lords I think is what it's called water where also like that I can't remember who wrote this I think it might have been Sean or no it might have been Fineman I can't remember
which one talking about how it's important to understand if this phenomena is real or subjective because because if it's real then that means that we should understand what are the properties of these Waters is it something in the land is it something in the air and if we can understand that then we can help the whole planet with us in the same way if the DMT or the Psychedelic experience is taking us into a state that is non subjective that is external is actually introducing us to entities or intelligences that somehow exist outside of our own being extracted it's incredibly important to begin to communicate with him in a real way if it is resear what is real that's where it becomes when you're talking about an outside of the body experience an experience that transcends the physical flesh it could still be real but not be measurable it could still be real but you can't put it in a bucket and throw it on a scale me doesn't mean it's not real gate yeah it could be something we don't have an instrument to measure we don't have a conceptual framework understanding still real if it happens that's what my point is the idea of the imagination you imagine something the imagination is responsible for every [ __ ] thing that a human has ever made clothes this microphone that I'm talking to this computer that I'm on this clothes that I'm wearing the card that drove me here it's all manifested out of the imagination so the imagination is [ __ ] real as [ __ ] 100% And and before before you created those things when you just imagined them you were Conjuring up something that didn't exist and the fact that we then brought it into existence proves well it at least existed as a potentiality it was allowed by the laws of physics so then it makes you wonder what are you tapping into when you're having that kind of vision that disembodied you know reconceptualization of reality you know when when you live in a world where there's no airplanes and you think that you could build a machine that will fly over the ocean and get you to this other place like to imagine that to to even fantasize about it if we can utter it it means that it's possible R invented the iPad I mean really does anybody even know how cell phones work can you explain to me how a
cell phone works how a cell phone works look at stuff I don't know like that swipe yeah they swiped yeah they did it all peard peard wasn't rodeny though was it yeah I think he did that and then died oh poor guy yeah well he had a lot of sucess pretty but he didn't get to see the future he didn't get to see Deep Space 9 you're right those [ __ ] I just think that if something if it's I think we should try be moing roddenberry's life cuz he never saw Deep Space 9 he never saw the new Battle Star Galactica which [ __ ] he's lucky that that show kicked his show right in the dick oh yeah I was going to say star track is such [ __ ] compared to Battle Star Galactica God I never watch every problem you have every time you're thinking like oh they're doing this is lame within two seasons it'll pay off and like oh dude Battle Star Galactica on the Sci-fi channel was the greatest amazing Sci-Fi show ever deal with it in a real way real like situation say with Game of Thrones has [ __ ] you know and murders by the way how hot is that robot [ __ ] that the blonde one blond one so the hottest ridiculous take it burned holes in socks oh the syons the syons become they become hot chicks that's part of the plot I don't want to spoiler spoiler alert if you haven't seen the DVD series you got to get get it right now I was incredulous Brian call told me about that I'm like that's going to suck dude it's a remake of a a show that was kind of hokey this this show is not hokey at all in all seriousness man because you're like one of the busiest people I know how do you find time to watch battl Star galaa and Breaking Bad and Game of Thrones like I don't see how you do that right now I I don't have hardly any time right now you already watched battar it was a long time ago you know when I was just doing like Fear Factor in the UFC I had way more time back in the days when breaking bad it just started things were different back then I watched most of breaking bads while getting tattooed I watched like the first season while getting my left arm done right arm sorry help my right arm yeah I'm trying to catch up on Breaking Bad I [ __ ] love it it's so good you have to catch up so you can talk about
it with pretty I heard that was I watched season one was I'm I'm to season two stunningly good stunningly good show what do you guys think of Walking Dead it's awesome and sucks as [ __ ] sometimes [ __ ] every time they resolve a conflict it's over the way they describe their emotions and now it's all done the guy the spoiler alert spoiler alert the bad guy the number one bad guy in the third season come on like you guys are teetering on the edge of [ __ ] this whole thing up you need to regroup get together as a group of writers do some mushrooms and figure out where the [ __ ] you're going from you told me that that they had this other writers and then it got really emotional for a while and then they came in and said guys everybody get the [ __ ] out and they hired like legit like action guys this is here's the problem I think the problem is TV not the writers it's what TV tends to do to creativity if you read the comics the comics are some of the most Bleak horrific things that you've ever seen where it's like every few pages is a gut punch where you're like what the [ __ ] it's not like this like emotional kind of sappy thing it's like you are existing in a world where you're go you are going to die probably by being eaten by the unde yeah that's what they always say in Apocalypse they always say wait but wait sorry so what are you saying about that versus the world of TV like I'm saying what happens TV is like oh we can't make it too dark we can't kill that character you think because there's there's an established business model and we have to keep some kind of stability in the system and we don't want to stuff this Stu to make you question too much they didn't like homicide homicide didn't last cuz they didn't have any clear-cut victories for the good guys and bad guys I'm going to do a spoiler is that why they call it programming let me do it not not with the series but with the comic books can I do a spoiler with com spoiler the comic books don't spoiler you just spoiler alert say spoiler alert spoiler alert but it's a spoiler to me and I want com how dare you how dare you pretend I don't read what are you going to get no listen to this bastard I had comics on my iPad once on a plane and you mously made fun of me for the entire
flight about the fact that comic you know why you know why I kept going cuz you responded I couldn't help myself you responded I'm like oh I got him d you got to play dead in front of a bear man you can't fight back oh I'm a bear I always thoughted myself as a twink I guess my time has [Laughter] come yeah you were you were [ __ ] dancing you read the road Prett road is a [ __ ] you might as well just get punched in the face just get kicked in the stomach instead that I had to regroup for about a year also also uh uh this is what movie sent me into depression more than anything which one revolution Road what's that that's brilliant dude that was with DiCaprio and Kate Winslet and it was about it's about a married couple and it flashes back and forth between the banality of day-to-day life like what happens after you get what you want versus the hopes and dreams of when they first met and God it made me feel bad about it just didn't didn't read about the bushes you know what it did it made you it made you it made you Collide against against frustrated Ambitions and a life of having to settle and settle and settle and settle until become a stale effect simile of what you want go find your dreams after that one the other the sequence is when they get excited about Paris is the best part of you're just like oh yes they're going to move to Paris it's going to be amazing it's going to be like a Richard linklatter film they're going to be in Europe you know it's going to be so good and then it doesn't happen I know I was like yes this is going to be awesome for you yes by the way can I can I want to give a report I'm going to report on what you've been looking at on the laptop during this thing it's now gone from a series of videos of like weird Vint cars Porsches at one point he was just looking at what do you call an accelerometer you're just looking at like a car acceler like the spedometer accelerating that was like five minutes you're a car speeding and now you're looking at pool well I don't know if you know this Duncan but I'm crazy what he looking he's looking at po cues is he looking at P he's looking at people playing pool I have an an add
that you couldn't pop possibly understand I need there's no Rhyme or Rhythm to it I need 13 different things going on in my life the drums on War makes no sense I just I am what I am son do you want to see a a two-minute a two-minute trippy video yes I did a new video it says we are already cyborgs it's kind of about the stuff from the conference we were just at yeah but right let's pass that joint around before no gay stuff either right well get you one I'll get you your own how about that oh thank you oh yeah yeah we live the abundance look that D this is we the new Romans yes thanks Studios the new Roman Empire for weed I don't give a [ __ ] dude we're we're so come back for more yeah we're like vomitoriums do you ever go to one of those a vomitorium they exist well no they just showed the old ones in like in in Israel Jerusalem they show you where you have to go to vomit and they come right back to party and they left out the part about [ __ ] kids but v wait I don't what's a vomitorium you just eat and party and drink just keep going and going and like oh I can't eat anymore you know that moment you can't eat anymore and they vomit you go to this room where you just get to vomit and then it's like a urinal but instead of peeing you just vomit out as much as you can of the booze and the food and you go back to drinking and eating yeah the Romans supposedly did it with feathers that was the the you know really heard this before the vomitorium kind of makes sense Romans wanted a party so hard that they were willing to just eat as much as they wanted to and then throw up so they could eat again the way itoff thinks of living forever they thought of parting forever right well it's also because mortality was at such a high level back then pres infant mortality was 50% people were dying left and right in Sword fights I mean it was that was some crazy ass times yeah yeah yeah but how much different is that how much different [ __ ] emergency he wipes it up with free t-shirts I love it that's my shirt oh is it that's big deal it's a higher prime8.com shirt available at higher prime8.com they're also great for moping up spilled yeah you can mop up booze with them
they wash right off those salt crystals are great man I got to get some of those they're cool if you uh want to bang yoga teachers what house if you had a house and it was totally set up like uh like you were like satnam come into my presence home you had M on the wall and like these are beside your bed dude you're in and all you need is like some quote from some really obscure Indian guy on the wall like oh he's my Guru just have a video Duncan playing behind the bed oh Duncan gets just start singing [ __ ] my apartment it's your apartment I'm describing his apartment to a te trying to [ __ ] with them you're like dude why are you telling people about my stuff if you if Duncan could actually sing them songs you could sing you you have chance in your head right you know the one the one I'm chanting right now is uh is a great chant because it sounds exactly the way uh nitrous oxide sounds when you do nitrous oxide if you chant it long enough it's the sound of um when you get super high and so the chant is R ROM it's simple so the chant just goes r r r r r r oh that is when you do Whip It r r r r r r you hear that when you do whip when you do whip sound you're hearing the M it's what you're hearing is your brain cells committing suicide by slamming brain cells dance you're hearing your brain cells give you like brain damage for just a short amount of time nitrous oxide I'm pretty sure nitrous oxn it's the same thing Dennis give you I'm pretty sure going to Dennis is not good for you're right about that but that's a simple great chant that you could do at any time ROM what is that CH that you do that crazy one you have memorized that's what I'm talking about you know that whole you have memorize now that's a that goes uh [Music] [ __ ] do you still do that thing with the bit that you use that in I lost what so wait what is that that's amazing that's a chant that you say at the beginning uh you would you might pray if you were in deak yoga you would pray that into you would pray that prior to reading the Bhagavad Gita and that's a prayer that is um basically uh you are um the the first verse is very beautiful it goes uh
I was born into the darkest of ignorance but my spiritual Master open my eyes with the torch of knowledge which I love that a lot but it's like basically the idea is like um when you come into contact with truth which is what any of the sutras are by the way that I love the babag Gita but I just started reading the yoga sutas of Paton yeah which are [ __ ] great man they blow the bagita out of the water as far as I'm you find pentious at all what the the the second thing you said I forget it sorry I was which which part I don't know yes I I I was I was joking I think it can seem pretentious and I think that people can use it as a Tail Feather as you mentioned and I will fully admit that I've used it as a Tail Feather uh before but I think in the same way that you were talking about how like reproduction kind of lures you into creating robots or advances Society in the same way I think people get drawn to Philosophy for reasons that are just like well this will make me seem smart and then wrong with tail feathers really don't and I think that people worry about it in other people but what's crazy about this stuff is that once you you you get into it for weird reasons but once you get into it then it starts it starts deconstructing you it starts breaking you apart because it's going to this very micro level of the way that we tend to work subjectively which is what well but that subjective experience is only thing that ultimately matters you know in terms of your interior world right I mean you you talk about truth I think it was verer Herzog the documentary filmmaker that was talking about the difference between ecstatic truth and factual truth and he said you know if facts were the most interesting thing in the world then the phone book would be the world's most interesting book but obviously there's this other experience that we still call truth maybe it's italicized or whatever it is but it's that ecstatic truth it's subjective truth it's the truth of the poet you know a journal may be more accurate in describing the facts of an event but a poet may never James dug deep and found the way to overcome the Spurs whatever it is the poet reveals deeper truths that find no place in the other's literal grid well this is wner
Herzog is a interesting cat very oh I [ __ ] love him man I just saw him in spring break wait no not Spring Breakers what I see me he played a villain no Jack Reacher he was great but it wasn't it weird he's got that milky eye he's a good actor he's a great actor which is weird yeah I love verer Herzog man he's the [ __ ] I would really love to get him off the Record to give his opinion on Grizzly Man whether or not he knew that he was making a comedy he knew he know no verer Herzog knows he's making comedy because in all of his documentaries is an element of Comedy he moing the person that he is smart enough to know what the person watching his movie is thinking and he knows when he when he does this stuff he knows that we are thinking this has got to be a comedy ver is hilarious if that if that's the case in that sense then that might be Grizzly Man might be the greatest creation all of Comedy yeah real subtle it's it's a wonderful comedy so subtle and so godamn brilliantly crazy it's so it's wonderful it like celebrates people in all our wackiness and there's like a certain comfort in watching a film about a guy who's completely off the rails that's living with Grizzlies yeah like it as we you know we might not like it but it makes us feel better about ourselves man I when we got a guy who's way more [ __ ] up than us it makes us feel better about ourselves did but did you find him also kind of fascinating cuz I [ __ ] yeah yeah I mean I thought it was actually fascinating because that's the thing about when you watch a movie I mean part of what happens when you're watching a movie is the same thing they they done RM on people when they they done um fmri scans on people when they watch movies and they say it's very similar to when you're dreaming so you the self the kind of the self-awareness disappears and so that's why you're able to like become the character that you're identify with they call it the diic shift when you assume the Viewpoint of one of the characters so you watch a film like Grizzly Man it allows you to actually enter the Consciousness perhaps of this person yeah that's what the whole thing about Cinema allows us to do that's why I film like that might be fascinating say that name for the shift again the dietic shift see I love that term man
because Enlightenment is the ultimate shift which is where you do the dietic shift assume to the hole that's the idea is like we are always on the precipice of this final shift and we're terrified to make that shift because we want to be an individual and the idea of going backwards that one time of taking off the neurological VR goggles the sociological VR goggles the consensus trans cultural operating system we want to do it we don't want to do terrifying it's easier to become another person in the movie than it is to become the whole yes just explaining it makes my heart rate it's terrifying no but it's I would the reason I did it is because I love movies a lot since I was a little kid I would watch movies and one of the coolest experiences is that you you became Indiana Jones like for two hours you were Indiana Jones finding the so what is happening like how come sometimes you become the movie and other times you don't and when you don't like life sucks right like oh I'm watching this movie it's not sucking me in right so then I wanted to study that and they say that you know movie watching and dreaming are strangely familiar exist familiar experiences similar experiences but apparently it has to do with your your self-awareness the lateral prefrontal cortex the same thing that turns off when people are in flow States when rappers are freestyling the self-editing the self-consciousness disappears and we love transcending our self-consciousness because it's the moment in which we see that there's an infinite amount of subjective experiences that we can have wow can be Indiana Jones we can be you know anybody we want you know we're not bound by our individuated state which as amazing as it is is still limited is that lateral prefontal frontal cortex that you're talking about is that the Neo cortex or is that in like is the Neo cortex I have no idea it's it says lateral so I imagine it's on this side oh yeah but this is the reason I I saw this is because they was talking about it in the article about movies and you blurring with blending into the films but also another article was talking about flow States and when they did fmri scans on freestyle rappers versus memorize and it was like the same thing but this is a terrifying thing for people the flow
state that you're talking about if you have identified yourself with a level of suffering or with a level of control or with a level of always being the thing driving the car then this Flow State you're talking about is a form of death you don't want to be there a lot of people the people who are uh suck in beted are the ones who are uh the most wanting to be in control the people who have the most awful marijuana trips are always the control freaks they can't let but think about it the reason that movies are so good at it is because first they sit you in a really comfortable place it's a comfortable seat you're in the dark the phones are off they make sure that you are comfortable so that that they can ease you in and when the movie starts you're still yourself you're still fidgeting you might have to pee but as soon as it starts they guide you with music the set and setting inform the direction that your Consciousness is going and before you know what you're on a Ride Like the roller coaster has started and all of a sudden you forget yourself you are the St just like mushroom trips then at the end of the day it becomes the most the best experience ever right cuz when the great movie is done you're like wow that was awesome I don't know where I went but I loved it right but when the movie sucks it was a really unpleasant experience so we love losing ourselves but it's also what we we're most terrified of so this is the idea that when we die the exact same experience happens where you're like holy [ __ ] that was [ __ ] amazing I thought I was a human wow kidding right well maybe it's just an extend Ed period of dreaming you know that the hours becomes a dream state of 80 years that's why the movie Inception is so brilliant when they go into limbo limbo was 80 years our entire life could be one of those limos that we forgot that we decided to go to sleep we could be the dream with didn't really lock me in I don't know why did you you should have been more High when you saw it I don't know maybe I would understood I think Inception was I think Inception was a was a little like what it was a little too refined it was a you had to follow it a little too closely it's a little too much like expain like a Rubik's Cube or something I'm sure you
like that I'm sure your mind likes that I like you know it wasn't like the Matrix which is sort of a uh more of a visceral thing but it's still they're both pointing to the same idea which is that whatever your experience of reality is May in fact just be a a dream state or some kind of hallucination or an aspect of a simulation that you've become absorbed into you know it's interesting you mentioned that cuzz I actually brought something to read to you guys about the Matrix so I'm going to load it up oh cool and it's exactly about this conversation we're having it's almost like I thought at some point we're going to start talking about blending into movies and breaking the ego and that whole thing what Happ to that lady that was suing the person that uh the brothers that made the Matrix do you remember that whole time I thought she lost did she really or there was a settlement maybe you sure there was a settlement yeah I think I remember that settlement yeah that never means anything does it right that sometimes means they want your back right you're just bored of deal dealing with it yeah sometimes it's that also mean like you're going to win how about we just stop this right now give yeah sometimes it's that too it's different things you never settlement never you know maybe she had an original idea and they took they took it to a different place but maybe they can trace the origin that idea said get the [ __ ] out of here who is this um there was a woman who sued the brothers making The Matrix former wowski Brothers now wow siblings really yeah feel like Gloria LS lame Gloria Larson you're just going for memory on that that'd be right if you got it right why won't the story about Sophia Stewart and her Matrix no that's not it Matrix let's hear it okay let me read you this while you search for that so this is article by Eric Davis and he's talking about day cart and the Matrix and the and the false reality genre of film making so films that reveal a crack in your reality the possibility of a hidden door of a rabbit hole to fall through and so he says we you know that scene in The Matrix when he's in the hotel room and they're about to give him the pill yes okay that's the craziest part of the movie so he says we too are in that decrepit hotel room with
Lawrence fishburn's Morpheus who is really speaking to us when he addresses Neo the ever wooden canares you know something what you know you can't explain but you feel it you felt it your whole life you felt that something is wrong with the world you don't know what but it's like there like a splinter in your mind and establishing that itch which I suppose most of us share however we interpret it Morpheus offers to scratch he will give Neo nothing more than knowledge of the truth I.E no solutions to to the problems posed by said truth and then he goes on and he says like a serpent in the Garden of Eden which uh which okay so wow Morpheus offers Neo a pill like a like a like the serpent of the Garden of Eden morphus offers Neo a pill Neo of course swallows the molecular package which is really the most heroic act in the film for Neo must then pass his own cartisian Passage through Madness melting into the mirror that alludes not only to LS Carol but to the Mystic psychotic collapse and appearance of the externalized ego that stabilizes our inner void as Neo phases out of the Matrix he opens up however briefly the fractured BAU that is the secret thrill of every fan of the false reality genre the moment when Baseline reality dissolves but no new reality has yet emerged in its pixelating wake cool that's great man that's the fact that Eric Davis reads this deeply into the film that's why you guys got to chat with him yeah so let's listen to Stuart the case it it was dismissed when she failed to show up for a preliminary hearing of her case oh so that can mean one of two things either mean she's crazy or they paid her to not show up no she would just like no why not they made a settlement with her off the Record yeah but they don't just not show up and they say may they scared the [ __ ] out of her and told her not to show up something happened she didn't show up and they scared her the walinsky I mean maybe she had no case at all and she was just crazy gu because I was your lawyer oh that's right the angel of God the angel of God yeah I was his lawyer he I had to go I had to get a lawyer to go to court yeah how long were you in court with that thing about a year are you kidding yeah how many times you have to go to court to keep responding have to keep responding to them he sued me for
being a false prophet and no no I'm sorry he wanted to he want yeah and and uh uh being a bad lawyer um and the Better Business Bureau came after me so you lost the case no this girl Lisa helped me fight the case and had to show her he would still for um all the riches in the world and then when they when the cuz she had to read it to the judge like this guy's crazy she's like what do you mean goes read that and she did the judge read it and he was like oh and so they made him rewrite it and he goes okay that $800 billion was what he Ted me for all the riches in the world that leaves a lot on the table a lot of room for negotiation I mean assuming that you're going to continue to be more successful he did promise me though that um when he did eventually become king of kings he could uh repay me with um Untold riches King of Kings is a big big title for uh a guy living in a home of shelter I represent him pro bono I love this guy's like levels of riches he has all the riches in the world but that's exceeded by Untold riches no all the riches in the world is more well then if you pay him all the riches in the world and he pays you back in Untold riches you're getting ripped off yeah yeah it's a bad that's what he's suing me for I I denied him he's not really paying you back he's giving you a little bit of what you gave he's giving me some for helping him yeah that's that's about right you're just saying riches are confined to the world Ari I disagree oh Untold riches could be all the riches in the universe outside you should have had me as an attorney oh hire you to represent me that would have been amazing fake attorney Duncan represents fake attorney Ari being sued by crazy guy he kept trying to use bigger lingo because I would sometimes so he' be like we're to four um oh that's awesome the uh plaintiffs who are attacking me he he also wanted to to San Diego State hospital and I think they really [ __ ] him up I think he got in the psych word there really [ __ ] him up yeah I think really he wanted to Sue that guy Dean Dean no who talked to the dead something Dean Dean something Dean Edwards Dean Edward John Edwards John Edwards yeah Edward Dean is a comic because it was just like the guy who ran for president
Dean Edwards yeah and I remember saying like why would he said he wanted to sue him for being a false prophet and I was like why would you get that money hey wait can I change the subject for talking logic with a crazy guy let me change the subject for two seconds you're talking about just cuz we were talking about riches outside the world oh yeah this meteor harvesting thing do you know about this planetary resources yeah Peter dandis is behind it dude they just launched a million dooll Kickstarter project to create a space telescope for public use because you know they're launching a whole Fleet of tiny space telescopes to scan for near Earth asteroids that we can then land on and leverage for resources pull back in typical one has like a trillion dollars worth of plutonium for example oh my God insane CU that's why they're doing it they're not doing this when they when they're talking about how NASA wants to grab an asteroid or a meteor it's a meteor or an asteroid asteroid asteroid when they say this you know they're not doing this you know it's not just scientific reasons they don't just want to they want to harvest this [ __ ] riches beyond all previous limits but it's okay cuz that's just an incentive you know they can really pull it off and that that helps that's why they would go do that that's why there's technology that's why in those things so that somebody can make money and then how do they know there's plutonium in those things oh they know they know they know the chemical composition bed asid they can make estimations about what Jupiter's composed of I mean that's what's kind of insane about Humanity we can actually use our brains to extend our sensory apparatus beyond Earth what's the mechanism of uh determining the contents of an asteroid you you know they knew the last few uh elements of the periodic table they knew how much they'd weigh that's insane they knew where they fit in into that chart they like we haven't discovered them but we know exactly what they ability of the human brain to acquire such knowledge about the building blocks of the physical world what does that say about like us as like this unique keep lumping me into that group and that shit's Preposterous I don't even those aren't even related to
me those are totally different kind of animals those people that are figuring that out but I don't think they are because the fact that we can have this conversation means we can acknowledge some kind of understanding of what we're talking I mean I think that childlike it's a childlike understanding comparison to the D out what a quk Glon plas parle and then made it made something that if you get a sugar cube of it it'll fall straight through the center of the Earth because it'll weigh like 400 billion pounds or something [ __ ] crazy do you think it's a different kind of animal you think it's a different kind of brain you think like if we went and sat with him for a couple weeks he could explain it to us like I mean yeah he think in normal terms I think people people are remarkably adaptable and people go down certain paths I think in life and if you meet a guy who's like been a ballet dancer since he was 4 years old now he's 25 doing these Twirls in the A and [ __ ] you would look at that guy moving and I don't know why I chose ballet but you would look at that guy moving there going like that guy is so far down the path I could never possibly catch up to him but I think you could do B human being have a human beings have a capacity for continuing down a path in a very far way to the point where they're almost unrecognizable from when they first started yeah an insane specialization like a malleability like an abilitys it's amazing how you can see that a let's say a ballet artist dancing and stuff like w I can never do that and you could easily say there's no way I could but everybody thinks they could do standup isn't that funny with no training at all that isn't it funny that they don't they don't really know what we're doing it's like they think that we're just telling jokes and we absolutely are but it's all about where to put them how to say them I think comedians are philosophers I think they're modern philosophers they're standup philosophers it's also hypnotism because there's some weird thing that you're doing where you can get them in the way you're thinking your voice yeah and you get them tuned into the way you're thinking by giving them [ __ ] that they want to listen to and if you can
find that Rhythm like where it's it's a thought that they would entertain um themselves then they'll allow your mind to work for them because like oh this guy's got a very aware mind I'm I'm curious to hear what how he looks at things I'll allow him to think for me it's the same thing presidents do yeah moment those people are plugging into you the same way when you watch a movie you become the character of the movie those people are plugging into you and in that moment when you enter that flow state do you feel like a conductor in an orchestra like literally like you move conduct Orchestra that's exactly how it is yeah I mean it's like you guys are in a flow you become in sync something there is interesting that's happening and I don't know if we can even measure that like when people sink up like that whether it's lots of people to one person or lots of people to lots of other people like scale for that you don't have a scale for that feeling sure I think you can study the way that uh metallic particles react to magnets I think you can sh look at the way sound waves affect water and we use those metaphors we say he's so magnetic when he's on stage I mean use those metaphors to explain something for which we have no instrumentation or way to quantify or measure yet we employ those capacities we use those capacities we pay people millions of dollars because they're charismatic well how do you measure Charisma is there a little machine that measures it like radiation like he has 97 kelvins of Charisma so we employ these things but we can't measure them they exist but we can't measure them you can focus attention what what you're do and attention is a specific pattern of neural activity so the idea is that you have this group of people and you're transforming their neural activity to match some intention that you have whether it's because you want them to listen to your speech about hotels you like don't you wish there was like a special light you could use that could show that energy I'm getting it okay I know where show the we could see the cell phone signals going through us right now like I see how you your my attention go and watch a group of people dancing who are all in ecstasy and what you or look at the way fishes fish move around a coral reef or look at you know
you see this exact same undulating quality like hidden order thinks well there's an essay dude called virtual reality and hallucination written by Diana Slattery on reality sandwich and it's all about that she says the capture and management of attention is a vital component a state of immersion a state of absorption is a vital component at any kind of interpersonal transformation or education or influence of any capacity or growth in other words you need to be completely sucked into whatever it is that's going to really like transform you and get inside of you so it all has to do with the captur and manage management of attention and what are psychedelics if not attention Technologies rhetoric Technologies what is language if not a technology to capture attention and shift to awareness sense that any any discipline is a psych psychedelic experience in the Long Haul because disciplines transform you yes yes yes and they focus attention for p fiction he just wanted people to put the laundry away while they were watching just not fold [ __ ] just look at it it's all he wanted what so you get lost in it so you get people on your side focusing attention is the key to everything if we had the power to decide at any given moment to focus our attention on the best possible thing that we could focus our attention on our life would be like a living breathing sculpture it would be like a dream like constantly the best jerking off in new socks but think about how how sounds like a dream but think think about how uh profitable being able to grab people's attention is and oh my God it's everything it's everything it's the currency of this new age attention attention is the new limited resource attention is the new oil you know world of social media man and that's where the phenomenon of something like this you guys I'm always talking about like you know it's been a year and people are still saying come back and have this conversation I mean that just means that you've tapped into a nerve that millions are feeling and when you consider that 10,000 hours of content is uploaded to YouTube every hour that you still have millions of people that come and join this conversation shows like the power of that like
it's like a it's like you know shining a little bit brighter than the other 10,000 hours but it's a funny thing when the attention doesn't tune in like when you see Obama in Germany recently did you see that [ __ ] the speech he gave woo it's creepy that's like Alex Jones level creepy Germany well no not aside from the fact that there was only like La the first time he came there it was packed hordes of people came to see him this time it was sparse and empty but what was really creepy was his echoing message about how we have to give up up freedom for security and you hear this coming out it's like Obama was saying it oh yeah yeah oh yeah he was saying he was [ __ ] sticking up for the goddamn NSA because it's leak can you pull up that Jamie see if you can find that it might be a long speech but it was spooky he's out there baking in the heat sweating and giving this this proclamation of how there's a balance between SEC he was just talking about the importance of the security State and by the way you know there's a logical part of my brain that considers the what they're saying I I have to allow myself to give consideration to what they're saying you know what I mean but there's another well especially because I'm thinking well if this allows them to stop somebody from blowing themselves up in the subway then cool you know what a pickle you're in what a pickle you're in if if if you do if you know that if I have this much uh width when it come breadth when it comes to monitoring then I can stop people from getting blown up what happened at the Boston Marathon I can stop a kid from getting turned into [ __ ] hamburger meal that so now you're basically saying well what do we do here are we going to just do we just say okay well I guess the cost of people's privacy is that from time to time children get evaporated or do you say no we've got to grow up to the fact that we're an interconnected system we're all cells in a bigger organism we don't want to give up on security as people I don't think the price is worth it we can't trust govern not only that I think we're looking at the thing incorrectly I don't I I think the the thing that they should be concentrating on is the mental health issue yeah what what what makes people willing to lash
out and kill large number that's another thing instead of instead of you can invest in in research for mental health and you would solve a lot more murders we know when babies are born we know we have we have birth certificates we know where people are living people have social security numbers why can't we find out whether or not people are doing really bad why can't we find out whether or not people are losing their minds well it's hard when they're in Yemen No I mean even in America we can't find out I think we we do not have an accurate account of our citizens yet we could pretend that we're some sort of a community but we don't have an accurate account of the health of our citizens when sag told me they weren't going to cover my mental health anymore because of some type of Obamacare that went into action they said if you can't carry everybody you can't carry them all so only plan one gets it plan two gets none oh my God and I was like I hope another Jared lner goes into your building and shoots every one of say that did you say that yeah what they going to pull every right after that they're going to pull everyone's mental health insurance yeah because that crazy guy lost his health that's what you're turning us on one of us is going to do that yeah but let me ask you something do you think that when a person implodes like that like if we're talking about what happened to that person on like a human scale we might say okay well maybe you know years of disaffection and radicalization and propaganda and mediation from the wrong influences and his focused attention on the wrong place personality be a real issue medical issue right but let's so let's zoom out for a little bit and think of that person as a cell in the bigger organism is he like a cancer cell is he the equivalent of like when a cancer cell starts to like replicate without concern for the rest of the cells in the system I mean is that what it is is is it a broken thing could it be fixed like just like we want to make advances in medicine to detect cancer cells before they you know metastasize can we find human beings before they metastasize into into that I think it's not an either or I think sometimes yes sometimes no I think sometimes it's probably a medical issue yeah what about
research in terms of being able to to find it to find the the the the genetic markers that predispose you to that we got to watch these people but isn't culture ultimately the technology that does that isn't culture like when we call TV we call it programming it programs you it teaches you about right and wrong and what's legal and what's not legal and if you're part of the pop culture you know you're programmed into a kind of mainstream consensus trans that basically says we're moderately free as long as you don't physically hurt me and I don't physically hurt you and you know you don't do certain things but you know we have these kind of Frameworks to impose some kind of an order so that the system can some kind of can have some kind of function so it just makes you wonder you know like especially with the privacy things you know are they really like spying on me or is it more like I'm a billion lines of code mixed with a billion other lines of code and just a bunch of algorithm and then they just detect when there's like weird Behavior associated with violence that they would zoom in something or they will use it they will use anything you've done wrong as an excuse to go and really go after you if you you no but if they already want to [ __ ] with you they can look at your stuff and say oh he owns too large of lobster which is a federal offense all right let me ask you whether or not you bought it from anyone they want there's people that want to blow themselves up in Subway don't you think that that's going to occupy most their atten let's say this why this is why because some guy who works there you [ __ ] his ex-girlfriend oh snap son godamn [ __ ] just got real you know what I mean so human and then you're giving that guy the power to abuse it yeah that's what I don't like and I think and that's what this guy's saying is absolutely possible here's my saying that the people that work at the organization like him and they keep referring to him as a high school dropout which is hilarious like um he was your coder didn't you hire him like is are you pretending you don't know this guy MH by the way when has it ever worked this is the question we have to ask you know that uh saying if we don't understand history we're doomed to
repeat let's look in the past what it what point has a government gained full access to the uh information flow of its citizenry where it hasn't gone wrong show me where what what nation has it been where it's like oh yes that was the that was one government that knew that studied all the correspondents of all it citizens and it didn't go wrong at all it didn't tighten down didn't become a Security State it was a Utopia no no no it doesn't exist it's Kore it's North Korea okay but here's here's the counterargument to that do you think that if given the proper instruments the citizenry could police themselves could we have a society that becomes like Airbnb where everybody can rent their own place and everybody else judges everybody else and andbody to tell you about a good dentist you can just look online and you're connected to all the citizens told you by four and a half Stars I was asking my brother I was like how do you know somebody from Airbnb is not going to be some serial killer who's going to cut me into pieces he's like well cuz you can look at the 50 other people that stayed at his house and they rate his cleanliness and they rate so you can go anywhere in the world and have this hook work now ar.com networks that regulate each other self-regulating network so it's almost like we are connecting to each other and it's like a homeostasis is being formed where the system is self-regulated government in a time where we didn't have that ability and now we do right so the government obsolete right so it's the government's an appendix it's not Utopia but these decentralized peer networks that self-regulate each other with no top- down management but just lateral is leaning towards a kind of like space in which we can we have Congress because we didn't have the ability to send yeah from California we can't we can't speak in in Washington so we need to send some guy as our Congressman to speak for us but now we can speak for ourselves we people democracy 2.0 I mean we need literally like if iOS doesn't get an upgrade for our iPhone every 6 months we freak out like we need to upgrade literally the way the whole governmental system works to use these new technology we should be it should be online it's really simple the idea that anybody controls it is ridiculous it should be
online and there should be some sort of anonymous type group that controls the code to make sure that nobody can [ __ ] with it you know or someone who's on top of [ __ ] or and you know maybe the a velop like a global ethic amongst theous as us by the way no one's giving here's the thing no one's giving this power up this is where I think that that this is where I think this fervent form of uh naive futurist comes into being where not just futurist spiritualists and a lot of other people think oh you know these uh as you're saying these uh what do you call it Peerless networks yeah these decentralized peer Network and by the way when I say you I mean me too because I do have this hope that somehow this thing is just like an escalation and it's going I do think that but if you look back at history you will see that even if a thing has become aric and Antiquated it doesn't mean that the people running that thing are going to give it up no no they don't want to give it up they're not going give it up the only way they give it up is through violence bam and this is that's our inevitability here we're in for a revolution here in our lifeim K says yeah kwell says that that's actually not not the case and he says that you know like the radio industry didn't want like TV to become a thing and it didn't need there didn't need to be violence for TV to like become we're not talking ready to start a goddamn Revolution no I'm ready to cheer it on I'm I'm a coward I'm not going get involved but I'm ready to say k some water you guys go out there and fight for us but I think that these technologies will meet resistance from The Establishment but I don't think that it requires violence for transformation to occur I mean we're seeing it through social media and old what are you talking about Syria Liber Liberia [ __ ] uh the other one I think you mean liia yeah that's the it always gets it always gets overthrown by AR they don't give up they don't give up and they have the guns so the only way to get them to give it up taking the guns here which other ways when ises it work younger people who are growing up with the a different understand I don't I don't think that a representative government's impossible I just think that we have to have more accountability and the thing that gives
more accountability than anything is the internet it forces accountability so I think that's I think ultimately you can't record cops anymore you can't record you can though you can yes you can they can arrest you no they can't no I mean individual places have passed laws trying to to make that real but there's a bunch of videos online that show people telling cops they told me today I couldn't take a picture of TSA I saw a baby being left on the counter so it's funny so I took a picture sir you can't take a picture of the checkpoint M that's wrong what you're telling me is not true I'm going to take more pictures I I got to say I don't I don't want there to be violence man need I think the dream the naive dream of uh the futurists is it's like you look in the animal kingdom you look in not just the animal kingdom but you look at any massive change that has ever happened is always surrounded by a release of energy when things rapidly change there's a release of energy and energy releases are always violent bam they're called explosions so it's like this to be though just because it can be a psychic explosion it can be a Consciousness explosion it doesn't doesn't require hirosima I think we're experiencing that it's just again like the Psychedelic state of you know seeing the whole history unfold in a matter of a few seconds this I think this is just it's slow so we're not really understanding what's happening but we're seeing all these well the psychedelics are com back we're seeing all these things we're seeing all these uh paradigms crumble in front of ourselves and the reason being is because they're being they're being exposed by the Internet it's just happening to us too slowly or it's happening it's too confusing as to which direction it's going to go there's too much Peril in it it seem the last few people that AR just are like hey it's changing like no no no no no how do the robots make the ayatolla understand that it's not good to put women in beekeeper outfits how did you know I I I I I I I completely concur with that but I just I had an interesting experience I was just in in in Berlin for a couple days and I was hanging out this I went to this like steam room and Spa over at the Soho
House there yes and uh it's it's coed so beautiful naked girls are walking around and showering in front of you whoa in in Germany and it's perfectly normal and of course I'm loving it but I'm also slightly like what's happening here and then I think we're just as primitive here with separating the men's room and the female room compared to them we're like The Beekeeper suit you know what I mean indeed I I know you're saying and I would think of myself as no we're liberal here in America and that but look how shamelessly those women are just walking around naked toally it's like relaxed we're not [ __ ] I totally agree I totally agree with you I think that it's a it's what you're seeing is a spectrum of of of of men kind of controlling women like if if a woman takes her shirt off at the beach she gets arrested in the United States and but I think that if I'm going to be on some part of that Spectrum I definitely want to be on the part of the spectrum where the defin definition of shirt is like a shoelace or something I'd rather it no shoelace at all but in that way all I'm saying is I don't understand the solution to um fundamentalists of any religion controlling massive populations or in the case of North Korea uh uh people controlling Mass I don't see how some Android Jesus I don't see how Kell's manifestation of full brain emulation and the subsequent empathic connection that happens with people I don't understand how that makes a person who's wielded control over a chunk of land using a false god uh I don't understand how that's going to make them be like you know what I guess I was wrong you can but our our society has been transformed by a change in Consciousness I mean you could argue that the 60s fundamentally changed the way we think I mean this place used to be a lot more Puritan than it is now and people us to be a lot more liberal okay so you have it you have both things happening you have Cycles you have things liberal now the amongst the people yeah the the actual C citizens are very seculars but the Govern the government is what's really mil guy who got in office but there's always going to be the ayatolla that's a supreme leader yeah exactly it's really a weird situation the guy who the iat's been the aat since like' 89 or something like
that really yeah something crazy like that it's yeah well you know what man but let me just say this cuz I don't want to come off sounding like AI like I want some violent revolution I don't want one I see have you ever have stepen Pinker on the show so Steven Pinker called better angels of our nature he wrote a book called The Better angels of our nature is a tech talk called Ted Talk called the myth of violence and he actually went up there and explained that the chances of a man dying at the hands of another man today are the lowest and they've ever been all all of human history the world has actually never been less violent than it is today but look at Syria how 100,000 people like it's a lot but I I guess what he's saying is it used to be wor I the Mongols killed a million in a day right right right right I see what you're saying yes it's that again it's that it's that Spectrum it's a spectrum a day yeah some insane number was probably I might be exaggerating hours 72 hours that killed a million people with horses on Horseback no nuclear bomb just swords that's they must be so tired after that you're chopping arms oh God just that's when you got to run when they're that tired they killed a million people yeah a million yeah that's uh we have to really uh sort of grasp it's hard to but we have to try to grasp just what a short period of time we haven't been barbarians yeah yeah I mean even the the Catholic Church even I mean you go back to the 1500s they were drinking the they had like Mistresses the popes had Mistresses they even raped kid had armies yeah they raped kids they had armies they had full armies the pope had armies the Catholic church had armies the Vatican had an army behind it it's crazy I mean that you're talking about like really nutty [ __ ] like they asked for uh the the Pope's help once in fighting off the Mongols really didn't want to send send any troops they got lucky the [ __ ] Mongols died off wo can I here's the thing man I want to be pessimistic again because I've been I keep thinking about this so it's like okay in the same way that it used to be if a person had a great idea and wanted to transmit it he'd have to get a
printing press and he'd have to like you know to the idea around it took a long time the idea would have to go by boats right so now it's like if you want to build uh like a nuclear bomb like it's really hard like you've got to have centrifuges plutonium it's a [ __ ] [ __ ] like you can't just do it if you want to build a nuke but as matter as as 3D printers begin to become more and more advanced me get beyond that and they start working at the atomic level then in the same way this that we have accessibility to instantaneous communication people are going to have accessibility to instantaneous 3D print guns or creation of of all kinds of [ __ ] up weapons that's when we're going to need an account of all the people in our community that's we're going to need into account of them in a loving way all Society like looking out for each other the idea is every basement with a nuclear bomb you're right you're right but the idea is that every baby has the potential to be become an awesome human being right that's the idea right but that some of them just get [ __ ] rolls of the dice and they get w w up in two [ __ ] methhead parents to [ __ ] leave them in a basement one day for 24 hours and they starve to death you know this [ __ ] like that happens to kids you just get a [ __ ] roll of the dice or you can get an awesome roll of to dice yes you know I mean that's possible too it's I think it's our job collectively as as a human species to concentrate on the least fortunate amongst us I think it's it's the the thing that everyone takes for granted everyone ignores and every single guy who runs for president doesn't bring it up they never they never say look our society is only as strong as its weakest link and we got a bunch of people that are being ignored and they they're an awesome resource if we if we educated them and helped them and move them forward in some way who knows what kind of great benefit you could get out of this community of people that's true I just think of that guy on uh locked up raw that one like you know like the guy I can't remember which guy it is like one of these like the people that you see on locked up raw who are just like you know like I I think cuz you know i' I've thought oh I know the way to fix that is like you
flood the prisons with l D and like give these people would help a little that would definitely help a little you're eventually going to have a 12 monkey situation I think you can do somebody's going to have so much effect on the rest of the population with like a toxin or like a bunch of nuclear weapons that it'll just drastically change everything well you know what I think Society has always thought that this was coming or not you know it's like there's always people that believe that the apocalypse is around the corner and there's always people that had faith and like Jason said it's this is the safest time to be alive ever but yet we're still like [ __ ] the sky is falling it's almost like a part of being a human to recognize all the flaws around us to make it glaringly obvious that we're aware of him to focus more attention on him and hopefully slow down the progress of us us being scared and neurotic and almost like negative has been biologically selected for to warn us against potential consequences like you know the early the Early caveman who was chilling out looking at the sky got eaten quickly the one that was like scared of impending doom survived no coincidence that we have evolved that but until we start like playing with our own genomes like we can't change our basic dispositions which is to pay attention to whatever we think is dangerous but I think it does have you know knowledge is power when you appreciate oh really the world has never been safer that's interesting not to say there's not other things to worry about it's not to say that there's not school shootings and 3D printing guns could be dangerous but let's look at the actual facts as it is today yeah but all it would take but in the beginning if one guy out of a hundred of them went the nuts he would punch some people m and then as technology got better he stabbed two people and then got stopped and then as technology got better he put off a bomb and then as technology got better he flew a plane into a building and as technology gets better you can affect millions and millions of millions of people all at once with just one just one guy that falls in the cracks well this is definely very much like the internet but it's funny Ari what you're saying goes against your hate of the surveillance State because you could see
how in an accelerating technology where people can blow each other up with increasing uh with increasing competency you can see the necessity for perhaps you know an observation of it's a [ __ ] that's what I'm saying it's a pickle man yeah but I think it's that's going to happen anyway you're never going to stay fully you can't monitor everybody at all time going to happen doesn't mean you don't try to stop it I mean delay the trend seems irreversible the trend towards uh everybody having access to everything at all all times I think we're going to have a real problem with money because money right now is just you know it's used to be based on gold and now we got this ones and zeros thing that we're rocking that doesn't really make any sense at all I think that Bitcoin is not going to last but I think the thing that comes right after Bitcoin is going to be the one oh have you guys heard about this shitcoin going be the friend but I wonder I mean I I think it's it's we live in a really strange time because as access to information gets more and more transparent more and more um free where we all have access to everything well then what Isa what exactly is Financial Resources going to become Absol where are those ones and zeros where do they go like none of sorry go ahead I'm just saying it's like there'll be a permeation point where transparency gets to a point where everyone has access to everything at all times you're not going to be able to store any secrets so you're not going to be able to have money you're not going to be able to put ones and zeros all in your bank account doesn't mean anything someone will take your ones and zeros but there also might not be a reason for anybody to hurt each other like you know have to be that way right McKenna says we're all going to move into universes of our own construction but then like KW and Peter D is just say you know technology is a resource liberating mechanism the whole idea of scarcity is just contextual you know we fight over 1% of the fresh water in the world when this is a water Planet desalinization revolution could give us all the water we could ever need we fight over energy we get 10,000 times more energy from the Sun than what we would ever need with nanotechnology
matter becomes a programmable medium we can turn anything into anything so I mean when we have just like infinite abundance potentially what would we fight about there would be no incentive to fight [ __ ] we could clone we could clone we live in virtual reality like diamonds girls don't want fake diamonds they want real diamonds that came from Cole and the guys are going to want real [ __ ] that you earn oh she's a real person we can have it in virtual reality we have virtual games where we can be the heroes in our own the flaw in your argument and the terrifying flaw in your argument is the assumption that people do things for a reason you're saying people do things because they don't have enough or they do things because of this or that some of the most horrible things are done for no reason at all they're done because the bio computer that somebody's running clicked the wrong way and they decided it'd be fun to hear the sound of a teenage boy neack snack aown that's a cancer cell that's a that's a a thing that's not doing it's not moving towards complexity and organization in the sublime like the rest of the evolutionary process that's why there's the urge to kill it right there's the urge to kill it but what the the interesting thing and I think this I heard I think McKenna said this there's this relay there's a race happening right now there's a race happening cuz it's it's as though these two things can't exist at the same time it's like we were talking about this and I've been thinking about a bunch since how you know in phones of course conflict minerals what's the name of that [ __ ] in front colan what's it called colan so in phones is colan so we know that in our phones in this uh device that's allowing us this greater connectivity is the suffering of children in African is in African Minds so we see in nature that there is this intertwining of horror and of Darkness and Light very to think that somehow technology is going to make things all light is to say that we will actually rewire the universe when in fact it seems like what's happening is an acceleration on both sides of the scale and as that acceleration happens there will be an equivalent amount of this orgasmic utopian [ __ ] de shardon
Omega point with the other side of the thing which is the absolute obliteration of all Humanity through nuclear weapons or bioweapons now here's the hopeful thing is what uh Martin Luther King said which is the universe bends in the direction of justice and there is this hope that there's a refraction in this lens where things are going towards the direction of creation instead of obliteration stepen Johnson says it's not Utopia but it's leaning that way so you know you can arue that things are better they're not perfect they're better you technology amplifies the good in US it amplifies the bad at us in in us but maybe it amplifies the good a little bit more than it amplifies the bad so that eventually it might subvert completely the light the light might swallow the darkness extropy might transcend entropy completely you know we might become immortal Gods living outside of time you know and maybe that's the singularity yeah it sounds a lot like the battle between hell and heaven it does doesn't it seem like happed it's not a coincidence we need those archetypes to make sense of what's Happening we've used the same archetypes religion salvation Transcendence the same things the difference is that religion never produced what technology produced religion never let us fly through the air religion never gave us cell phones it never gave us the internet technology does so in the whole in the whole in our in our desire to to to to to believe that these things are going to help us transcend our limitations you know technolog is actually delivering a little bit more than the previous stuff how dare you how dare you with you're a little bit well there you go a lot more cyborg arms trying to make friends the kids are hearing again they made Galileo apologize yeah they said you dick you were wrong the church what do you have to do with the you guys want to see a Trippy video about us being cyborgs okay we're going to wrap this up with this trippy video I got to get out of here I've been working all day let's do it power to the people happy mushroom Fest to everyone who's participating mushroom Fest [ __ ] God is love everything's going to be fine forget all that explosion [ __ ] yes and before we go we would just like to thank
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