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[ __ ] underneath the commercial what are you doing son my iPad's disabled for some reason I know you're tired keep it together your iPad went down it just says your iPad's disabled for 5 minutes I'm like what the [ __ ] it does that's the government they're downloading your your identity oh they saw dick party my mouth.com like The Joe Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all [Music] day powerful Dan Hardy what's up buddy how are you man thanks for coming by man I'm very excited to have this conversation with you and uh the internet has been a buzz you know yeah it's been something you're a misunderstood dude man you know yeah I think so a lot of people uh especially seeing your trash talking and you know hyping up like the gstp fight and knock the fake tan off you people would think that you're an [ __ ] you're not an [ __ ] at all you're look you're a super chill guy like I I I don't think I've ever been around you and felt like wow San hard is just too much I got to get the [ __ ] away from him you're like really easy to get along with you're a very friendly guy you just are really good at talking [ __ ] when it comes down to fight time and pissing people off and that really is something that people have to understand you know like there's there's a pageantry involved in promoting a fight and in [ __ ] with someone's head that you're going to fight and it's it's people don't like it when other people are better at that aspect of fighting you know they get mad people get mad if you could talk mad [ __ ] about them if they're not good at talking [ __ ] back ah they go into the fight with it like a deficit already yeah it's kind of crazy it's it was the culture I was B up in there you know like like you know banter between teammates at Ruff house is pretty much bullying I mean it gets pretty serious like to where I'm sure some of the guys go home and cry after the sessions it's you know so it's it's just kind of a natural thing for me and then when somebody bites a little bit to a comment that I made I I can't help myself it's too much fun that's it's very English is very similar to Boston in that Way Boston has that same like you know real in insulting
style to their trash talk within sports teams and athletes and it's just part of the whole thing and some people don't like it and I could get that I I get that there some people want that Zen State Anderson Silva approach where you just go in but people forget about Anderson Silva and Abu Dhabi they forget when he was when he was fighting with Damen Maya talking him calling him all kinds of [ __ ] in Portuguese he was [ __ ] with that dude's head while he was lighting him up you know yeah that was even crazy Trash Talk the trash talk that goes on while you're kicking someone's ass I remember watching him fighting Lee Murray um I was I was side of the cage that fighting and the Tony freckin won oh dude you were there for that oh my God people who haven't seen Anderson Silva became Anderson Silva when he went to Japan when he went to England like but England was really where it all came together for him you know like Japan he got some good fights but he had some losses you know the Rio Chon in flying heel hook yeah yeah I mean he had some good fights um who was that kid who was calling him Alex steeling the kid was calling himself the Brazilian killer okay remember they they all got pissed off at him Anderson he beat him he cut him with a with a high kick and then he knocked out Carlos Newton that was probably his most spectacular fight over there but fly KN was it yeah and it was after Carlos dominated him on the ground Carlos is very good very Advanced at that time like he had like the most advanced ground game of of guys that were fighting in high level and he had Anderson down he had mounted him and it did not look like Anderson was getting up um but I think they gave him a yellow card or something like that I don't know how they got stood back up again I don't know what happened but they got stood back up again and bang he hit him with a flying knee and knocked him out and it was after that he he like he got his footing with a couple of good fights but it wasn't until he went to England and fought in cage rage that that's when he became Anderson Silva he was so comfortable it was it was I really felt watching the Li muray fight that he could have stopped it and any point you know he would really just kind of torturing him a little bit beating him
up tough he he was beating the [ __ ] out of Lee Murray he was [ __ ] his legs up man and you know and Murray is tough as [ __ ] he hung in there man the entire time stabbed like 38 times or something and was training 6 weeks later he made a video about him hitting the mid 6 weeks later if if people don't know who we're talking about guy is like really a a legitimate folklore type character he's a guy Richie movie character yeah he he's almost greater than a guy Richie character because you would never believe a guy Richie character really could be like a top MMA fighter and also one of the greatest armed robbery suspects in the history of the universe no no it's pretty crazy I I remember sitting in traffic on the way to cage rage I had Paul Dy in the car and uh like stuck in traffic but not far from the arena and Lee Murray just racing up the hard shoulder in his in his I think it was a BMW or something like like 70 mph just he was crazy did you see him falling out with Matt lindland after that fight lindland fought a cage rage and they brought Murray into kind of hype up a fight between the two I didn't see that yeah liur was you're you're a [ __ ] monkey you're like a [ __ ] monkey he was and Matt lindland was just he didn't even think it was real it was it was pretty hilarious lur is like throwing stuff at him oh he was real he just really was that crazy yeah there's every now and then a dude comes along like that yeah you know we're lucky that he didn't come along in like like the Dark Ages you know what I mean I mean he would have I'm sure there were people like him though [ __ ] yeah there were that guy would have had like the scariest gang ever back when there was like very little rules you could have swords and [ __ ] oh my goodness it yeah it run like a bunch of Outlaws in the forest you got to think man that time in our our lives in the for the human race that was only like a thousand years ago that's not that long ago man it's like medieval medieval [ __ ] that's not that long ago that's so so recent the DNA is still there public beheading and stuff yeah and every now and then you get some straight lineage type [ __ ] you get a dude who just has basically Barbarian jeans and he's walking amongst regular folks here in 2013 he just he's not playing by any
rules he's got no rules he's just going for it until until he hits a wall just full clip until he hits a wall it's it's important to know that it's possible that a guy like that could exist yeah and people get romantic about it and upset but you could not get upset about it today you can not get romantic about it today you could you know say oh you know you're glorifying something that you're glorifying something pathetic you know what if this guy inspires other kids to live that way okay but make no mistake about it a 100 years from now it's going to be an awesome story okay 200 years ago when you're not connected from now like when not connected to it emotionally it's going to be an awesome story yeah but we study these people now though I mean look at like uh you know like CH like Bronson or um a lot of folks don't know that documentary The Bronson documentary it was really weird Chopper was really weird too yeah but those but they they're those kind of people like Lee Murray's got to have a movie made about him or something oh [ __ ] yeah unquestionably and he could [ __ ] fight man he could fight I saw him uh fight air renovari sted him man like mean it was so ruthless his right hand was [ __ ] nasty he was really really sharp Striker really powerful guy I mean he wasn't like the most technical guy which is where Anderson picked him apart yeah you know he was such fast hands though he was very fast and very confident very confident you know it took a guy like Anderson to sort of pick him apart a guy who just was clearly Anderson's on some another he's on some next level in like every Department he's on some Next Level physical [ __ ] he's on some Next Level mental [ __ ] he's on some Next Level confidence [ __ ] he's on some Next Level success [ __ ] he really feels like he's magic he feels like he can go in there and just do [ __ ] to people but he can and he does he can and he does you're right so he's like that it takes a guy like that to do that to a guy like Lee Murray yeah you know a guy when when you see Anderson like at his best it's one of the weirdest things because you can't believe a guy can do what he just did you know like when he [ __ ] up when we were there in Brazil and he fought Stefan boner dude that was like I was watching a movie yeah like the guy just put his back to the cage and let him tea
off on him and then brought him back in got to the center and brought him right back in puts his hands down stands right in front of him and then when he decides to strike throws him to the ground and buries him with one knee yeah and you're like Jesus but it was like the forest Griffin fight though you know he'd been baiting him to like like overextend on his punches yeah all the way through the round and then as soon as he did it and crossed his feet just that was surreal yeah he's a master he's a real master it's kind of kind of an honor to be around witnessing it live you know yeah yeah I agree it's an honor to be able to call it for sure it's it's it's really shocking his his abilities are very shocking but you know one day we're going to look back at at him and we're going to look at some new guy just the way people used to look at Sugar Ray Robinson and Roy Jones Jr yeah Sugar Ray Robinson was amazing but I think Roy Jones Jr and his prime would have lit him up with like a Christmas tree I don't think he would have even been able to [ __ ] with he wouldn't have been able to find him but then look at Mayweather as much as I dislike the guy yeah Beautiful Boxer beautiful Roy the problem with Roy was all that John Ruiz fight he went up and wait and won the heavyweight fight that documentary was good though did you watch it what is it the documentary about training for that oh no no I didn't it was it was really interesting he got this little old white dude doing all his uh strength and conditioning wow was it Macky shellstone is that his name Macky shellstone is the guy let me see if I'll pull it up he's the guy who trained um he trained uh Spinx Michael Spinx for his heavyweight fights with Larry Holmes yeah and then again for Tyson I think huh yeah I remember watching uh it was one of the one of the HBO show one of the HBO shows with the Roy Jones preparing for a fight and it was when I was training at Legends and there was this this shot where he was training to Run DMC and he's like doing his shadow box into the rhythm of the music so immediately downloaded Run DMC and started doing at the gym in the ring of Legends a good time yeah he Shone right yeah he worked with Roy Jones yeah he was he was an interesting character well it's interesting because what happened
was then Roy he looked spectacular in the Ruiz fight but then he drops down to fight Antonio Tarver he has to lose a lot of weight cuz he's a 205 pound 206 pound guy now I mean he was a small heavyweight but I think he still he got above 200 pounds yeah which to drop all the way the [ __ ] down to 175 again that is a big deal it is it's way easier to talk your body into getting bigger than it is to talk your body into getting smaller like you have to [ __ ] starve yourself especially in a sport like boxing where you've got to you know continuously work for a long period of time yeah he looked completely different in that fight physically like his body looked deflated you know like cutting weight like that it just ruined him and then he got knocked out by Tarver and then he got knocked out again even scarier by Glenn Johnson and those those fights I think a direct result of him weakening himself to drop down to 175 PBS or a direct result also of whatever the [ __ ] he took to get up to 200 plus pounds not being in his system anymore and his system crashes which is what happens especially if you're like in your late 30s and you're a pro athlete who's getting head trauma on a regular basis those were all things designed to lower your testosterone all those things you know it's almost like Nature has it set up like you can only get hit in the head so many times for it just okay slow the [ __ ] down [ __ ] Jesus Christ like literally slows down your testosterone from head trauma it's like look we got to figure out a way to stop getting hit in the head and maybe this [ __ ] is just too aggro nature doesn't know that you got a [ __ ] fight and career to think about yeah I hated watching him fight K zagi yeah did you I don't particularly like K zagi either and it was just it was just rough to watch watch he's a shell of himself he's a shell of himself I I don't think kagi could have hung with Roy when Roy was in his prime when Roy fought Vin pazienza it was the first fight ever recorded where the opponent did not land a single punch he went through a whole round boxing with Vinnie penzo when penzo was in his prime and Penza swinging for [ __ ] fences and get nothing for a whole round wow I mean that's insane you're you're you're in the you're both
punching and this guy hits you 60 times and you hit him zero that's insane we we should get Anderson Silva to break that record like like number of punches missed around or something well what you need with an Anderson Silva you're going to need a Roy Jones type dude to beat Anderson Silva you're going to need a guy who's got that kind of but with Muay Thai yeah those guys are out there man they're out there they just got to put it together we all knew like you you you came up doing martial arts like a good portion of your life right so you must have went to like karate tournament those few young kids that were super talented where everybody was like godamn but sometimes they never come to fruition you know they never become the martial arts legends that they could have been in my experience with that though people that find it that easy and pick it up that quickly us usually lose interest isn't that weird yeah it's kind of frustrating there's only a very few that stick with it and that's when you get someone like Anderson Silva or Jon Jones or J Jones yeah yeah there's those guys who have that the the lethal combination of like dedic and that freak and freak bodies man so people can do some freak [ __ ] yeah there's certain dudes that like Jon Jones can do some freak [ __ ] to people you know like he can you know he's spinning elbows people in the head he's giant you can't get a hold of them he out wrestles everybody all limbs though is he I mean it's all limbs I can't imagine I can't imagine throwing any strike at him that wouldn't hit something sharp I mean it' be like kicking a bag of R wrenches yeah he's [ __ ] scary right now dude is scary right now he's on this Next Level scary [ __ ] right now where he's just like so confident just decides to Maul chill son he's like 15 I think he's just turned 24 or 25 I'm getting old one yeah well it is a a young man's game it is what is the this condition that pulled you out of uh your next fight um the wolf heart thing what is it called is that like a babon heart yeah yeah it's exactly the same yeah yeah what is what is uh what what does it mean it's it's called wolf Parkinson White syndrome but I don't have the syndrome because I've never had any symptoms I only have pattern which means
that I I have a second heartbeat but it's not never caused a problem you have a second heartbeat yeah well basically uh you know in the center of your heart you've got like the regular pacemaker it's a bunch of skills that a bunch of cells that um you know they create electrical impulse to to keep the heart beating M and with wpw people have uh other cells in the upper parts of the heart that do the same thing and usually what they would do is they go in it's called an ablation they kind of go into uh the femoral artery and and they can burn them out and stuff wow but that's but people have that done when they when they have like symptoms you know when they have like palpitations and dizziness and like people have panic attacks and stuff I've never had anything nothing at all so what they what they're telling me at the moment I mean I've got to go back and get some uh get some more tests done for like a second opinion with a different person um but basically what the the way I understand it right now is if I want to continue fighting to get cleared I have to have the ablation but because I've never had any symptoms and I'm perfectly fine I don't see the point in letting someone go and start burning my [ __ ] and you yeah that doesn't sound that sounds like something they were probably not going to do in 5 years you know they're going to go well back when we used to go in there and burn it out we realized that's actually a mistake that was actually you know the human body figured it out and everything was cool and running smooth and we were being ridiculous yeah I mean if it was causing a problem right and and that's the solution then I would have it done but it's not so their concern is that if they license you and this this is a potential issue a health issue well there was there was that soccer player a few years ago I think he played for like Chelsea or something and he had a heart attack on the pitch and died he was like 28 really um and basically the problem is that the the main heart rate can only go up to about 220 beats a minute but the secondary cells that that produce at the second heart rate at the heartbeat is that's Limitless that can go to to whatever so it you know like if I'm at 12 minutes into the fight and I'm you know full of adrenaline and completely
exhausted and my heart rate can't keep up there's a potential for the other one to kind of take over start you know and he can give you a heart attack yeah but but it but you know the chances decrease after 25 and the chance of it happening is like 6% so you know well you also have like a really low resting heart rate yeah 42 that's very low was when I got the test Michael Bisping is like 34 yeah that's insane that's incredible man he doesn't have to feed his brain though don't forget oh no you didn't Bisping knows I'm kidding he might have like the lowest rate working heart rate you know the resting heart rate of anybody in the UFC yeah that's pretty impressive that's work you only get that from work he's he's that kind of guy though he's always like s on you know what I mean so yeah that's a that's a fit [ __ ] yeah yeah it's in it's very interesting what you said about like natural talent and then the guys with natural Talent it's often times they're the ones who for whatever reason don't work as hard well Bisping was Bisping was that guy that had the talent and yeah he's he's just a natural fighter his whole family are just tough guys yeah um I mean I I started training with Mike before he'd even had had his first fight um and I was training with his coach and his coach had actually invested money in like bringing him down to Nottingham to train to like cuz he was a DJ at the time I don't know whether most people know this but you know DJ Mikey B and um you know he was like in that you know the the dance and the Rave scene and he was you know all that kind of stuff the glow sticks and [ __ ] um yeah so so my instructor like like bought him a car and B him down to Nottingham and like fed him and stuff with with the intention of of making him an MMA star wow because had this natural ability and he is he's he's just a tough guy he's a very tough guy you know you you knock that dude out he gets up and he's like I want a rematch like immediately yeah it's it's pretty interesting like he's a that guy doesn't lose any steam if he loses like he just goes back to the drawing board dust himself off heals up and has exactly the same style the next fight even better he's got a sprinkling that Barbarian in him yeah [ __ ] him there's a lot of that
[ __ ] out there man a lot of that Barbarian blood it's out there so um what are you going to do now well uh I'm going to go back and get some some more tests done Lorenzo has a a special cardiologist that he wants me to go and see so I'm going to get that done and uh just kind of see what my options are I don't I don't see the point in having a surgery done if I if I have to have it done to carry on fighting it seems scary it it just seems pointless to me especially because you know like is it risky well the problem is that they don't know whereabouts in my heart it is oh Jesus they got to go look for they got to go look for it so they didn't say they could fix it they said they want to study it they want to study it they want to study it and they wanted to study this four weeks before the fight so they wanted me to go in and have uh something put up the inside artery of both my legs and one into my neck so they can go in and try and find it they put you under while you doing this or you just chilling oh what the [ __ ] is that Dan Hardy how's that possible you're just lying there think so yeah that is not cool yeah that is so not cool so the guy was like oh so we'll do that and if we can find it we can fix it and then you'll be able to you know take a week off and then go back to training who the [ __ ] thinks you could just chill while they send these like wire worms up your arteries to peek inside your [ __ ] heart my dad said he had that get that thing up his penis hole like when he turn a certain age I think it's 60 you have to get that in your penis the AR definitely [ __ ] that but but I've had people on I've had people tweeting me and stuff and they're like uh you know my six-year-old had it done stop being such [ __ ] and get how dare you how dare we have more time there's people that just can't wait to be CTI Dan Harden and you got to feel sorry for them because I'm like a magnet for them they of course of course you're you're a Brash young man you talk a lot of [ __ ] and people that's how they one of the things that people like about it it generates interest you know how much hate J son must get all day every day yeah all day every day his Twitter must be a mess yeah but he's got the bank account to match it though so it's all right I haven't so that's what that's
the problem with me you know yeah he really talked himself into uh some great situations he's he's the best [ __ ] talker ever he's exciting to watch like I love like interviewing him at a weigh-in cuz I know he's going to say some crazy [ __ ] yeah that's that's the kind of [ __ ] that's going to go down in history this fu yeah I always remember one line he said when he was preparing for uh Anderson I'm not sure which time it was and he said he is the champion but I am the best yeah that's a great line you know I just I want to use that every day at some point yeah I mean and he's so good even after he loses and selling another fight like that just think about what happened the dude got starched by Anderson Silva and then he says you know what Anderson Silva is only the beginning I'm going to go after the light heavyweight champion and like all of a sudden he's fighting the light heavyweight champion I mean he goes from losing a shot at the middleweight belt to fighting for the light heavyweight belt and you know that's impressive yeah it was and Dana is like he's the one who asked for that fight like I I understand that he a he is a politician you know yeah I understand that he's the one that asked for that fight but that's uh I mean you got to respect the guy's ability to sell [ __ ] I mean he can sell a [ __ ] pay-per-view man I mean the dude just lost to Anderson Silva and there was white people all over the world convinced that he had a shot yeah yeah there was white people all over the world that was looking forward to him winning you know yeah he's said what a character what a what a funny smart guy yeah he's the kind of guy that could knock on your door like 8:00 a.m. and you're like you wake up out of bed all all tired and [ __ ] and then next next you Clos the door and you bought three vacuum cers yeah no kid but he can fight too man he can fight it's just he's he ran into two Buzz saws to the the greatest fighters of their generation and Anderson I mean look what he did to Anderson in the first fight you can't take that away from him even if Anderson was injured that was an incredible performance he was minutes away from winning the title he [ __ ] up in that final round but he was real close he carries that with him though do you
think that well it's hard to say he doesn't it's harder to say he doesn't than to say he does to say he does you get all this evidence the poilo fight this fight then but the the other thing is he's first of all he's just playing at a real high level and this kind of [ __ ] happens you're at a real [ __ ] high level and if you you look at how it happens in every other fight it happened in a way that sort of makes sense to him like Anderson Silva caught him with a triangle that sort of makes sense to him he missed that that spinning back Fist and he got caught that sort of makes sense but the Jon Jones fight didn't make any sense the Jon Jones fight was a mauling Jon just took him down and mauled him and I think that was like the most disappointing for him yeah cuz he's a very good fighter man if you look at the way he submitted Brian Stan you know that's that that's a scary dude chel sun is a beast oh yeah no doubt about but those a guys are just a Step better and that's what it is it's just a step better that's all they need to be so so what's your opinion on uh on uh fights accusing each other using steroids well I think um we we both know that in every sport in the world where there's money involved people are going to do everything they can in order to be victorious that is just the way it is there are people who hold principle higher than they hold money and I know for a fact I had a long conversation with John Fitch once about it and John Fitch I I guarantee you that guy never used anything ever he's just for him it was a principal issue but that's not everybody we we both know it's not everybody a lot of guys have used stuff a lot of guys have used stuff and they've said well you know I'm just trying to get over an injury and uh so I'm I'm just going to use it to get over this knee injury yeah that too you're doing that too but also look you get you realize when you're around a certain around a certain amount of like really strong wrestler type dudes you go okay there's nothing I can do to keep this guy off me I got to get [ __ ] stronger period if I want to stay in this game I got to get stronger I don't know how the [ __ ] he got that strong but I got to get stronger and it's really hard to get stronger naturally quick naturally the [ __ ] takes years you know it takes like
four or five years to put on a good 20 PBS of like real raw muscle or we can do it this way and everybody's doing it and then you go okay if everybody's doing it you kind you know people can kind of justify it to themselves because of the people are doing it you know I mean it's like everybody enables each other yeah I don't think um I think there's a certainly an issue and there's certainly a discussion to be had and especially in in for testosterone replacement therapy that's a big one that to me is a big one because that one for a lot of folks that don't know like young fighters in their early 30s even and even some guys younger than that uh take testosterone which is really kind of crazy like your your body should be producing testosterone in healthy quality quantities like deep deep into your 30s it starts to drop off when you start hitting 40 if you're like but very slowly small numbers SL yes and if you're if you're fit and if you're you're eating healthy and if you know you're sleeping right you should be okay so when you find guys that are like 30 and they're taking testosterone replacement therapy go okay what are you doing because what you're doing right now is you're putting testosterone into your body that doesn't exist so does it not exist because you've been hit too many times which we both know is also a real possibility in fact uh this guy Dr Mark Gordon who worked with uh James Tony he's done a lot of work on that showing how traumatic brain uh injury to both soldiers and and people who do extreme Sports the traumatic brain injury has a significant impact on your your body's ability to produce testosterone so I could knock the testosterone out out of somebody well little girl J Sun's picking that line up it's uh it's not it's not a situation where it happens in one one night it's a situation where you're beating yourself up you know if I've never fought an MMA fight but I've watched you guys train and you know I I see the the amount of hours that it takes in a day to do a real proper six week camp and for folks who don't know it's insane it's insane it's it's [ __ ] Madness yeah it is and I think some guys think the only way they can get through that is with some help yeah because if you don't get through that then what are you going to
do when you get in there with a guy like GSP when you know he has gone through that you're like well [ __ ] you know you're you're doomed you're going to keep up with him for a little bit but eventually he's going to steamroll you yeah there's just no getting around it if you don't do what everybody else is doing how can you compete unless it dress like an alien with GSP oh with GSP GSP is a thing about aliens terrified of aliens yeah wonder if he hates fighting dudes with alien wear in their trunk I know what if it was Alienware the whole time just just a big marketing scam he's he's getting hired by Alienware sponsors a lot of Fighters you know maybe GSP has a deal they can't have them wear that thing on their pant they wear that thing to scare me no no have you rewatched that rewatch it it's so amazing it's amazing he's awesome I love that guy he's awesome that was a beautiful interview man it really was he's a guy who uh he's he's like kept his humility better than any Champion I've ever seen yeah it's amazing I've been up to Montreal a couple of times to work with him and uh well the first time I went up there I didn't know how they were going to receive me you know because obviously you know I did say a few things about people in this Camp during during the preparation and uh not the fake 10 off online was [ __ ] outstanding thank you um yeah so I I they asked me to go up for a week to Spa with him and I thought they were just going to take me and kind of beat me up a little bit throw me out and but I was up for it anyway it was going to be an experience and when I got there everyone was really cool I felt you know that's great yeah yeah really cool and GSP is by far the most humble and deserving Champion I've ever met weird right yeah he's like there's no no one like him when it comes to like MMA Champions he's like such a he's a sweet guy like real nice to people and he handles it really well his his lifestyle because obviously it's he gets a lot of attention all the time and it's exhausting and he still no matter how much attention he has he's still the same guy he's not he doesn't fall into it yeah you know that's a that's a real issue with folks fall into that you know they get caught up it was kind of funny
going up there the first time because I I still had a mohawk the first time and we like he goes out like most nights he like loves to be out in clubs and stuff he doesn't drink and any of that but um obviously you can imagine how much attention he gets in Montreal and right so he's walking through the club and everybody like looks over him like staring at him and then they notice me behind him and they're like the look of confusion on their face like like we got Hoodwinked these [ __ ] like each other that's funny man that's funny yeah you know it all trickled down from the top that FASA hobby guy that's a smart dude he is that's a very very smart dude very clever and uh the way he runs his his show is no [ __ ] you know and John danah her as well [ __ ] yeah people don't talk about this guy enough you're right right in the hotel that I was staying that my room was opposite his so like he was the last person I'd see before like before like heading to bed at night and we stood and had long conversations in the corridor the guy is fascinating and really really strange really really strange really really fascinating um I went to we went to dinner with him me him and Eddie Bravo like a Denny's or some [ __ ] like that and we just broke down the universe together John donaher is a beast man he so so [ __ ] smart yeah yeah and that's actually how I went that's how I wound up doing uh taekwondo with George okay and teaching him how to throw the tney high kick correctly it's from John Doner like Doner was asking me if I knew any high level Taekwondo guys that can teach George the proper mechanics of the spinning back kick okay and I felt like such an [ __ ] saying saying like yeah I I can judge it right you know it sounds like such a Hollywood douche move like oh yeah you know you're going to teach George [ __ ] St Pierre how to throw a kick but to his credit he actually listened to me like I couldn't believe he tried it you know cuz I wouldn't have listened to me I'd be like yeah [ __ ] all right I'll go watch you kick a bag you [ __ ] fruit cake [ __ ] actor [Laughter] weirdo but George was like super like humble and and eager to learn he's a really unusual dude it's weird how many different like like the way people
perceive like MMA fighters or even jiujitsu athletes or kickboxers the way people perceive like people who compete in Combat Sports and the way they really are is so different like my favorite people some of my favorite people of all time that I've ever met have been Fighters because there's something about the the the type of character that you need to have to be able to test yourself in such an extreme environment like that's a rare quality it's a very rare quality and there's some people Mis mistake it with being a barbaric thing because they they think that somehow or another we should not be violent because violence is bad and even though it's a competition and they both agree to do and they can be respectful it still seems like it's antisocial yeah but they don't understand they just they just haven't experienced anything like really intense themselves and and known that there's only one way to develop like real character and have confidence in that real character you got to put yourself in fire yeah and and that's why that's why a lot of MMA fighters are interestes in people because I mean you know after a certain amount of time of being in the gym and being so focused on yourself you become very self-aware yeah and and then you know usually from that comes a lot of self-confidence and and you know just being very comfortable in in different environments which usually means you stand out because you you know you you kind of put that out there when when you walk into a room um and you're not worried about physical confrontation anymore so you Cal down don't feel like you have anything to prove either exactly and that's the real issue with a lot of guys is the need to prove dominance the need to prove but guys who have had martial arts backgrounds they don't have that need they they can chill they can relax they're way easier to be around yeah like I've never seen [ __ ] start up between like maybe Brazilian d dud have maybe some Brazilian dudes have jumped each other yeah I was watching a video the day with like vandelay Silva was in it was two guys fighting in the dressing room and Silva and Charles Crazy Horse Bryant no no no it was it was two of the guys and like vanay was cornering one of them oh yeah that was Cristiano Marcelo and in a triangle yeah he got him in a triangle and put him to
sleep and that was but it was Charles Crazy Horse Bryant and Crazy Horse actually got up the legend is and and sucker punched vanderlay and knocked him out cold and it was right before vanderlay was supposed to to fight Ricardo Arona yeah and vanderlay literally got knocked out got woke up and that sent out to this is if you're going to believe Charles Crazy Horse Bryant which I wonder if he's telling the truth man cuz he Crazy Horse was nuts yeah and he could knock a [ __ ] out he had a serious punch Crazy Horse could punch [ __ ] hard enough to easily knock on 185 pounder if he sucker punched him did you ever see that fight where he tore that stuff bear apart in the corner yeah well he would get to the top of the cage and do back flips off the top of the cage he was like the first dude doing that well like sit on the top sit on the uh the corner post yeah jump up and sit up there during the fight yeah he would Sucker Punch guys like in the middle of a round just Wham and that and just knock him out cold with like a punch that you don't think should land head full of gold teeth yeah and a balava when he's doing his interviews for priv remember that remember when he was fighting Mishima and he was calling him mishy Marsh yeah black just his eyes showing and gold teeth yeah and he he who is the fighter that while the uh the referee is reading the instructions he's like mugging to the camera with his big giant smile of gold teeth he was he was another character right out of a [ __ ] movie yeah yeah he was constantly getting arrested constantly I I hung out with that dude me and him and Eddie Bravo hung out with him and his girlfriend we watched some fights together um it was when uh K1 did an event in I think it was K1 did an event in Hollywood W in uh some soccer stadium some outdoor stadium and just by chance we sat right next to each other I had a great time with that dude that dude was hilarious we were just laughing at everything he was he's he's a wild [ __ ] it's kind of cool sometimes when you get get exposed to one of those people just for a few hours like I I had a car Journey like from Hollywood to tacular and back with Mayhem yeah and it was like one of the most highspeed scariest rides i' ever been on like he
like sitting in the driver's seat with a shirt with like guns all over it and a big chain with a gun on it sunglasses on he's just like speeding and every now and then he's he's like police track thing will beep and he'll like hit the brakes like swerving in and out and talking 100 miles an hour like and it's like 2 hours from here it so I had four hours of that as well as a training session in the middle I was exhausted by the time I got you're lucky to be alive needed like 3 days with I hung out with Clay Guida one weekend in Chicago and uh he took me to my show he insisted on taking me to my show so it was uh me and him and Eddie Bravo and uh Klay Guida was driving Klay Guida drives like like he fights he drives exactly like he fights just sitting there just going whoa like I I trust him I think he knows what he's doing oh Sam tripley I just got back in from driving with him San Francisco you let Sam drive he is the scariest man he's just like sideswiping cars while texting and talking on the phone oh you let him text and drive he he he was just out of control it's so funny man I was scared out of my mind that's that's [ __ ] bad man I know and I gave him my car to drive up the San Francisco I'm I was like I didn't know how bad it was and then when I was up there I was like oh [ __ ] he has to drive home and I was like oh please Tony just please drive most of the time and oh that's hilar so they drove your car up yeah and back wow God damn that's a long ride how much is a Southwest flight it's like 100 bucks you cheap [ __ ] no it was like I had to I spent like $500 round for for going up there for some reason I don't know if it was because of s CCO de Mayo or whatever or probably right they jack up rates yeah when [ __ ] like that goes and Southwest doesn't go direct to uh San Francisco they don't no isn't that weird yeah that's crazy they go I know they go to San Jose yeah that's not far from San Francisco you could do San Jose and then you drive for like 30 minutes well I was going to do Oakland but you to you have to take that stupid thing underneath the ocean I was like you've already scared me enough said never do that the BART the B have you ever done the BART in San Francisco I we were filming Fear Factor in Oakland and I ate pot cookie or something in my hotel room cuz I was hanging out with
the crew and they were really cool guys but you know like I was I was like I have this cookie and let me just it'll probably make it more interesting to hang out with these people so I take this uh it's not an insult they were but they were straight is my point like I couldn't say hey who wants some pot cookies they be like oh on me oh no no no you're not going to get me to e that what are you crazy I don't think so pal oh you meant straight late they don't do drugs yeah they don't [ __ ] around pissed cuz they were straight no yeah I was like well I couldn't have gay sex with them let's go e just cook no they were you know they were straight straight arrows like you could offer them a drink yeah I'll have a margarita you know they get crazy I'll have a margarita but if you're like who wants to eat some hash [ __ ] get the [ __ ] away from me so ate this pot cookie and I get on this Bart thing man and I am flying I just is totally over modulated sometimes you just you don't know what the [ __ ] you're eating you just eat one and it just puts you it puts you in almost like in another dimension it's like you your face is under a waterfall like you're like about to peer through the other side you just can't quite get there like that high and my ears are ringing I'm like are popping I'm like why are my ears popping and they go because we're 500 ft underwater oh [ __ ] I was like what the [ __ ] are you talking about I would have never said yes to this if you asked me do you want to go in a [ __ ] tube that's under the ocean in a place where the ground moves I would have said [ __ ] you I don't want to do that why are we doing that that's like playing musical chairs you know I I can catch a train from my apartment in Nottingham I found this out the other day I've been telling everybody I can catch a train from my apartment in notingham to Saigon what right how is that possible exactly the problem is the only part of the journey I would struggle with is the channel tunnel between oh Jesus Stan Hardy like apparent Apparently one train has to stop while the other one goes past because the pressure would just like Nock they go under the ocean the ocean get the [ __ ] out of here with that [ __ ] that is a movie waiting to happen oh they will tell your story for many many
years in the future get the [ __ ] out of here man it's like a Titanic kind of movie is it [ __ ] that movie that movie sucks you do not want to be in that movie you don't want to be duded in tunnel concrete under sea water just seeing the rocks tumbling towards you enormous rocks with walls of water behind them pushing them rocks that are thousands of pounds it's a matter of 10 15 seconds before they hit you in that circumstance as well you're so insignificant yeah you don't matter [ __ ] you are a footnote in history and that's a rep son Yeah clean her up you're clear Mr hardy thank you for playing this life yeah that's why I didn't go to that airport good move Son good move now that you put it that way can I can I can I bring up funny thing that I saw no no no because I'll get mad it's unfortunately it's so funny um Dan Hardy you uh you recently went to the Jungle I did went to the Jungle you recently uh had an experience in the spirit world I did that sounds doesn't that sound like a ridiculous thing to say it does you sound like one of those bead wearing [ __ ] birken stock wearing [ __ ] like if you say something like that like I went to spirit world oh yeah did you you [ __ ] hey and I do yoga like five times a week now I'm really not helping my cause at all you know I've got the beads yeah you got the beads there's like a certain thing to it it's like it sucks when someone's faking that thing yeah you know yeah oh I'll just bend some white sage and it'll be better it's like you know you can see those people from a mile away though I know a guy I know guy who's like that prays on older women yeah yeah yeah yeah he's got this uh older woman she's uh quite a bit older than him and less attractive than him but he's young and fairly useless and like this fake Guru type character you know there's a documentary I can't remember what it's called it's on Netflix and it's a guy who he goes out to have you seen it yes goes out to IND no no I haven't seen it but I've I've heard of it he makes a fake religion fake fake Guru yeah yeah he becomes a fake Guru let's let's see documentary on fake Guru called H Netflix just pulled that the the plug on like 2,000 live
movies they just did they really why because they lost contracts with I think it was Warner Brothers or something but like South Park's gone like a lot of [ __ ] was is gone from it right now Kumar is the movie yeah a true film about a false prophet yeah it's worth the watch it's kind of interesting it's kind of interesting it's it's [ __ ] how easy it is to trick people that's unfortunate you know it people want you know why I think this is why I think is because it's an insanely rare quality to be truly enlightened or even truly on the path of Enlightenment a true path of Enlightenment with true focus and you know and and on a path for a a real the pure sake of trying to figure out what this life is and figure out how to live this life better there's so few people really really doing that that to even like attempt to do it is so douches it it's intimidating to think for yourself though I think that's where a lot of people fall you know it's it's scary to think for yourself so they want somebody else to do it for them it is but it's also we don't like people proclaiming that there are something more Grand than the rest of us some people we don't like people proclaiming that they're on the path to figuring out where you're screaming in your car at a red light and you can't balance your checkbook and you know you know what I mean this PE people don't want to believe that there's a guy who really does do yoga every day and really does like find his Center and it's made him a more joyous person sh this is what I hear from you a lot of you talking about you buddy that's what I hear a lot of you being impressed with yourself a lot of your [ __ ] annoying with your flipflops and that that's what happens it's like there so many of those guys there's so many but it's I had this doctor of Mick go Swami in here once the theoretical physicist guy genius guy and he was saying that some times people have to fake things in order to to really truly make them happen like like I let people he's like I let people use the word Quantum when I know they don't really know what it means but he's like but if this guy like has interest in like faking it like maybe it would lead to a real interest in trying to understand Quantum science maybe and I was like wow that's a [ __ ] interesting way to look at it
and see like so I go so like false gurus and play goes says to let them fake it which I guess I guess but you know then they start you know [ __ ] everybody's wives and well yeah yeah killing all the male babies you know it always goes south always and it's always a man running [ __ ] has there been a woman run cult ever can you tell me that there's a [ __ ] just that alone is is great evidence that women are way less dangerous than men yeah they have less of a desire to control their their environment yeah even if you have a shitty woman boss yeah she ain't no cult leader no Oprah's the closest woman cult leader she's the closest to a woman cult leader yeah she is cuz she kind of is yeah she's kind of running a cult she's running a cult of Happiness amongst women over 35 chard cult the Chardon cult yeah yeah she's that's that's her her [ __ ] I guess she could run a cult you know but like there's not a lot of women who could pull that off and run a cult think about imagine what the world looks like from her perspective from Oprah's perspective it's got to be Insanity first of all how many women have ever achieved that before how many it's not like you're a man if you're a man and you're like a media Mogul it's like oh look another one another Richard Branson another this another that another that guy this guy there's always a new guy there's always some new guy's big loud mouth who's on TV all the time and makes a lot of money there's always that guy yeah well how many of those girls how many girls have just had all these women screaming and cheering whenever they see her she gives away cars and [ __ ] yeah saves people in Africa how many girls what is is there one other one ever Angelina Jolie is kind of like rocking it in some sort of weird way but she doesn't have like a talk show no well she's talking every day she's like an actress control that's like control that's like you can give people instructions follow it go and buy this and millions of women will go out and buy it that's scary power yeah Oprah power is weird power that's it's very rare that a human achieves that but but she can't she she has to have sacrificed like real relationships with people like you can't have a real connection with anybody or you can't develop new connections when you get to that kind of
that kind of status I don't think so I wonder how can you let anybody in I don't know well the only reason you wouldn't is if you think that you're better than other people because you're successful the the the the issue of running into people that want to take advantage of you you're going to have that no matter what you know you would hope that your filter is good enough that you'd be able to but when it gets the stage where you can't go anywhere without someone recognizing you're like like everybody knows who you are yeah you [ __ ] up son you took it too deep should have backed off Elvis maybe you would have stayed alive longer never go full [ __ ] yeah there's something that happens to people when they get that cuckoo famous you know they get that over the top bie oh he's gone this young man's gone young he tried to take a monkey to Germany the other day yeah what the [ __ ] is that yeah well that's what you do when you're [ __ ] 17 years old and you [ __ ] a million girls a day for the past year and you look like you're four yeah and he thought they were being unreasonable because they wanted to take his monkey off they are unreasonable he's Justin [ __ ] Bieber Justin Bieber he could go to a restaurant and like put his hands up and say hello everybody and they would start cheering they start clapping yeah twerp it Justin Bieber's here swag they would go oh my God he just said swag what's that's his thing he says swag all the time how do you know that I know a lot wait a second we talked about it on the podcast you [ __ ] Stoner swag yes just you don't pay attention to things I say you block me out like like like an old marriage you block me out like we're married Beaver SW he um yeah he's um I know a dude who uh has uh done work for uh Mr Bieber he say he's a very nice guy I met his dad nice kid yeah I met his dad too I met him and his dad at a UFC fight met him like very briefly we had headphones on they they shook our hands hi hi how you doing and then the fight was going on but uh no one could ask anyone to be able to handle that situation any better
than that kid's doing he's doing way better than I would do could you imagine what [ __ ] damage you would have done if you were that famous at 17 that must be ridiculous yeah I did enough damage at 17 and I was nobody just what kind of life is that that's a that guy lives he there's only one person on the planet that lives like that that's him like who's he going to compare notes with yeah I don't know who's going to understand his life like like Britney Spears was was that kind of level at one point you know yes what happened to her she went crazy she blew a fuse yeah I'm kind of excited for Justin bber to to lose his mind as well I mean it's coming but but but it's just how is it going to happen you know is he going to start buying like wild animals and fill his house with them or it's money in the bank I used to do a joke about before M kie Cen went crazy I used to do a joke about how his money in the bank it's like this ain't going to turn out well this is you you're not always going to be that guy you're going to be like a man someday like that's going to be weird like you you became you you became unbelievably famous while you were a child how could you possibly handle that hanging out with Michael Jackson Jesus Christ you know there was a guy who got arrested he was like one of those famous uh Hollywood uh like investigative guys like a strong arm investigator and uh he had done some work with Michael Jackson and the war what he says is that he wanted to uh check in and make sure that all the molestation allegations were were Incorrect and he said he wouldn't work with Michael Jackson because he did something worse than molest them what what that means you know I couldn't even imagine what the [ __ ] that means but that spin on things it was enough that he wouldn't wouldn't work with the guy yeah I don't know if that's true I mean he's in jail the guy who did it is in jail and he did a lot of Nefarious semi illegal type [ __ ] to a lot strong arm [ __ ] you know but it seems like he had a little bit of a code and it seems like uh whatever Michael Jackson was doing according to him at least that's scary man we were talking about Cleveland we're talking about what
happened in Cleveland before the show started yeah these These Guys these three brothers had kidnapped these three girls and kept them locked up for 10 years so they each got one I don't know I don't know what they did I don't I don't know the the full details of the story but uh the guy who uh who saved him is this black dude he uh he said that something happened and I think he heard some screaming and like he kicked down a door was he robbing the police or no he save them he's trying to save them you racist little [ __ ] you I know what you're doing you're trying to keep black people from coming to your shows ever I know what you doing I heard I heard some noises oh I mean I was breaking into the place no and he say he um he said it's a really interesting thing you got to see the interview the guy's really entertaining the guy who saved him pull pull up the interview cuz it's pretty fascinating and then don't worry folks we're still going to talk about the spirit world I know we got off subject but this ain't you know this ain't the cor O'Brien show [ __ ] doesn't doesn't all goed are you getting requests no I know people want to hear about that though I know they do I can't listen to requests like while the show's going on too many people would just write [ __ ] up [ __ ] to try to get my attention Ramy what's that this one his name is James Ramsey is that his name oh yeah James Ramsey yeah the Charles Ramsey Charles Ramsey Charles I'm say guy's a bad [ __ ] he saved those girls they were in there for 10 years these guys were holding him captive for 10 years like what the [ __ ] happens to people that allows them to do something like that I don't know I don't know like it's it's what is their view of the world like how how do they see their own actions how did they get to be that thing yeah how did they that's the real question what who did something to them they must have they must have peace with it in some way 10 years 10 years is a long time to have second thoughts you know this oh yeah I mean I don't think I think they were just that was they own them that they were going to keep it that way how do you come to the conclusion that that's okay I don't know I don't know I couldn't imagine I I have this
conversation with with the people about Michael Vic you know I'm I'm always kind of vocal about that and that situation with the dog fight and stuff here's here's the dude here's a dude huh pause it for a second cuz I want to I want to hear what you say have say about this cuz yeah I I that disturbs the [ __ ] out of me too the the Michael Vic thing was yeah I mean it's like I went I was up in uh Utah a couple of weeks ago for the the victory dogs reunion which is basically the the dogs that were were saved I think they took 58 from uh some of them were euthanized CU they were too bad um but most of them were taken to a place called The Best Friends Animal Sanctuary and uh some of them will will stay there for the rest of their lives cuz they can't be with other dogs and you know right like the yeah like the grand Champions and stuff L ofed and all theay close and you know bring dogs so they can socialize but you know like some of these dogs have got chemical burns on their back there's one little dog that walks sideways because it was thrown against the wall as a puppy like like how how do you get to the stage where you think that that's an all right thing to do like that's that's not you don't get better from that that's not something that that and now he's got another dog like he showed up in a pets Mark the other day with like this it's like some kind of military dog you should not be allowed yeah how is he if there's anything right with the world that dog's going to go for his throat at some point how is he allowed to have dogs it's ridiculous after all the dogs he killed but you don't you don't heal from something like that that's something that that's just something that's that's who you are well I I don't think he can change what is the story he killed a bunch of them right how did he kill them like electroc throwing them on the floor electrocuting them hanging them yeah he did like torturous [ __ ] yeah he he had a bad reputation in the dog fighting Community oh I me my God like 58 dogs he had oh my God yeah he had a bad reputation in the dog fighting Community you know you're a [ __ ] when the dog fighting world is like man you need to settle the [ __ ] down you're being mean yeah that's some that's that's a whole
new level of mean holy [ __ ] I have a I have a friend who adopted one of his dogs um and this little dog when you take into a room it will go and sit in the corner and Shake oh God and it just you can't go near it without it just shaking uncontrollably and that was uh I think they call them bait dogs where basically put a muzzle on the dog and use it as like a confidence builder for the the fighting dogs that are successful oh God so it just had a dog that they bullied oh my God but this guy's got another dog now and he's back playing football and everyone's cool because he's he's an athlete and you know that's not that's not a normal human being that's not you know I I I agree it's not a regular calculation to make well it's also it's when do you forgive there certain things that we don't forgive right I mean we don't forgive child molesting no one forgives that when when a person wants to rape kids like you're off the menu for civilization pretty much universally but when when you look at what some people are are willing to accept when it's clearly that's there's like a sociopathic characteristic to that there's there's a cruelty characteristic but can a guy learn from that we know we we don't they can't learn from child rape they can't the the recidivism rate is way too high whatever it is is way too sick the danger that they pose is way too great it's like there's too much at stake yeah but the idea is like a guy that used to treat dogs like they're [ __ ] and kill them should we give that guy a second chance but the thing is I don't think he can change his opinion on his actions all I can all I think he can do is realize that other people don't find it acceptable well yeah there's that but there's also that he um his culture like he grew up like when he from the time he was a little boy like they had dog fights like there's a lot of people in this world today that still engage in like really regular dog fights and if you are unlucky enough to be born in that environment when do you make your own moral distinction like when do you realize that this is a terrible thing but even so there's dog fighting and dog fighting I mean you know like if you read uh Sam Sheridan's book a Fighter's heart yes there's a bit about dog fighting in there and it's I mean I
don't agree with it but it's a very very different perspect perspective you know they care for the dogs they look after them they buy them the best food and you know really take care of them and the dogs fight for for Honor you know right which I mean it's still a kind of an unusual perspective but but the stuff that Vic was doing was just evil evil which is a whole new level entirely and that's the kind of stuff that that you can't you can't heal from I don't think that's that's the person that he is I met him once and I didn't know who he was I met him backstage I'm glad I I don't meet him now because I don't I don't know as I'd want to be anywhere near him he just you know what did how did you feel when you met him did I didn't know who he I didn't know who he was and he's just yeah when my friend confronted him about what he'd done to the dogs he said he was hoping for some kind of like aggressive reaction like he was going to he was hoping that the guy that the guy was at least going to have a feeling about it he said but when whatever he was telling the guy whatever he he was talking to Michael Vic about Vic was just like just just not not there just not present you know he's just he didn't understand what was going on a very smart guy just you know Joe have you seen have you seen the Charles Ramsey 911 call I heard that's just terrifying somebody just send it to me with captions yeah sure throw it up what you're about to hear is a 911 call placed by Hero Charles Ramsey after he found a manab a woman who had been kidnapped for the past decade this man saved her life 5:52 p.m. 34 seconds May 62013 Cleveland 911 police ambulance of Fire yeah hey bro I'm at 2207 Seymour West 25th hey check this out I just came from McDonald's right so I'm on my my little food right this bro is trying to break out the [ __ ] house next door to me so it's a bunch of people on the street right now and [ __ ] so we like what's wrong with you what's the problem she like this [ __ ] been kidnapped me and my daughter and we' been in this [ __ ] she said her name is Linda Barry or some [ __ ] I don't know who the [ __ ] that is I just over here bro slow is she still in the
street is she still in the street or where did she go yeah I'm looking at her she right now she calling y'all she on another phone is she black white or Hispanic uh she white but the baby look Hispanic okay what is she wearing uh white pank top light blue uh sweatband like like a white beater do you know the address next door that she said she was in yeah 2207 I'm looking at it okay I thought that was your address so that that I'm smarter than thato I'm telling you a crime you leave your name and number Ramy R what's the phone number okay if there's any justice in the world this guy becomes [ __ ] huger than Kim Kardashian that was je P fiction I'm sure of it yeah that this is real can you ask this is a real guy what she need everything she she in Panico I guess she been kidnapped so you know put in her shoes we send the police out thank you there you guy I like guy that guy's a bad [ __ ] you got to get him on the podcast [ __ ] yeah we do we have to make that guy president wow that was amazing that's a real man so he was breaking into that place right Brian I was coming from McDonald's and there was somebody trying to break out house she trying to break out of her house how was how was she breaking out of the house like was she like punching through a a window or I don't know some she climbed out somehow somehow or another she got out of whatever they had uh locked her up in WoW crazy [ __ ] man 10 [ __ ] years and thinking it's going to be the rest of your life having these guys just [ __ ] you hold you down and [ __ ] you every night and feed you [ __ ] oatmeal oh it's some rundown house in Cleveland you're a sex late for the rest of your life what do you do with those guys kill them you got to kill him they just got to remove him from the Jean Pool but but don't you think there's something kind of Sinister about like like laying somebody down on a on a on a bed and injecting them to like like put them put them down yeah I don't think it's necessary I think you just dig a hole shoot him in the head push him in the hole I really don't
think you need to be [ __ ] with all this injection so so clinically it makes it scary well that's what they're trying to do they're trying to do is take the uh the chaos out of murder yeah they're trying to take all the variables out this going to do it nice and easy a little poison here you go okay you're dead goodbye take care that's it that's a rep and instead of just shooting someone you know I mean did you ever see that movie Dead Man Walking no sea Penn's a bad [ __ ] I mean that that guy knows how to act his ass off he's a crazy dude but he knows how to act his ass off and he played this guy that was dying he's going going in for lethal injection and the way he played it was so real like you really thought he was going to [ __ ] die and that's all avoidable man all that craziness of strapping that guy in and freaking him out and injecting him so that you can feel better yeah just shoot him in the [ __ ] head and let's be done with this okay it's real simple that's a bad person he's broken we got to get rid of them shoot them okay there we go like they do on The Walking Dead I think they should put him in a trough first at like a Skinner concert and we all get to like piss on them for or something you know like something cool like that first that's not cool that's just weird yeah we piss on them something cool hey what do you want to do today something cool let's piss on each other so tell me about your journey in the jungle okay where was was that all about what happened what what what caused you to want to do this I I don't really know I don't really know I just felt I felt like I was drawn to it um I was I was speaking to a friend of mine I won't mention him but he's another Fighter um retired now uh and and he did a couple of Ceremonies in London at a friend's place they brought a shaman over and uh did a couple and I've always been kind of the guy that if I wanted to to experience something I would go to the source you know what I mean I would like like if I wanted to do kung fi I go to China and if I want to wrestle I come to America and you know if I want to try IA I go to Peru it just kind of made sense so um it was kind of like my reward for getting through the the C the Dwayne Ludwig Camp because that was obviously you know that would have been a fifth
loss in a row and obviously a complete changing career paths um so I just kind of you know I put 12 weeks aside to dedicate that fight and you know W with that as a as a reward after and a couple of days after the fight I flew out and uh spent two weeks there did a tobacco ceremony on the first day three iasa ceremonies and two San Pedro ceremonies damn how's that tobacco ceremony yeah what is the tobacco ceremony they they basically make a drink of uh tobacco coffee and sugar and they cook it up and then you drink a whole load of it and it's like a purge like a detox like if you've got any kind of toxins in your system you throw up and you sweat and some people were crying and obviously there's all kinds of other nasty stuff that goes on as well but um it's just it's a way of like cleansing your body before the iasa is it a theoretical cleansing or does it actually have a cleansing effect it's got a cleans fortunately I've been in in training camp for 12 weeks so I'd been on a clean diet and I just I just kept my diet clean until I I got to Peru because there's a special uh diet for for the aaska yeah it's a low uh acidic diet right Sal no sugar no oil no sex no spices no oils no oils really yeah why no oils I don't know I don't know it's interesting yeah there there are a lot of things uh a lot of things on the list that I'm kind of on the fence about and it's kind it's weird because there's not really any kind of science behind it I mean there are some things that you you can't have because they react badly with the with with the medicine but uh some of the foods are kind of kind of odd right I just kind of go on instinct when I'm when I'm dieting for it right now so the tobacco ceremony there no psychoactive effect no nothing it's just like it's just like smoking three packets of cigarettes and drinking six Starbucks all at the same time mixing it all together that sounds like the future of cigarett I want and I don't drink coffee I don't drink caffeine or obviously smoke cigarettes so I'm like I'm like sitting in my room like shaking and sweating it it was kind of uncomfortable wow but once that was over the next day was was the first iasa ceremony and I did feel real sharp the next morning I felt very uh very alert okay till the next morning you do the
Iowaska ceremony what's that like uh well you don't eat a great deal during the day uh we had a light breakfast and then uh you know like a like a fruit snack around midday and then after that you fast and the ceremony starts at 8:00 p.m. um so the idea is that you go into the ceremony with intentions the things that you want to uh you questions you want to ask um there there's always this talk about about uh iasa the spirit of iasa mother iasa and some people during their experiences have an interaction with a female entity of some point of some sort but I didn't but uh but the intentions are still very important going into the ceremony with uh you know with questions about myself or my life or whatever really um for me the the answers just kind of just kind of manifest they just kind of show up I'm just kind of all of a sudden get an overwhelming feeling of of of the right the right answer I don't really know how to explain it better than that it's kind the problem is I really feel like we we've not got the language to explain this kind of stuff at the moment we need we need to expand it our vocabulary to to Encompass all the you know all the stuff that we we experience in these things yeah there's a lot of people believe that what uh psychedelic States even if they don't believe and that you're really contacting the spirit world what they think you're doing by forcing yourself to to take a hard look at yourself and uh address some questions that you might have one way or another but to do it with this stuff that AB it absolves your ego it removes the ego and in doing that it's a rare state that you get to get the [ __ ] away from your ego but it really lets you get away from it to a point where you can see things so much more clearly and you can realize how much of the ego has just been really been sort of tricking you and deceiving you and and making you believe that you're you know you're either something that you're not or you've gone further than you really actually have or your ego has allowed you to sort of delude yourself to get by this very strenuous existence and when you go into a psychedelic state it allows you to bypass all that and see it and it doesn't you know that that that's where like people don't understand that you
can get to a mild psychedelic state from exercise and yoga yeah you get I mean and fasting and meditation and yeah you can get there just to in sensory deprivation T you can get to a pretty extreme form with no drugs at all but the iasa ceremony is basic ially known as probably the the Grand Mall of uh of the Psychedelic experiences the most spiritual of the Psychedelic experiences yeah it's pretty powerful in comparison to other things I've I've experienced it's have you ever experienced the the raw form of DMT yeah only once though was it 5 Meo DMT or was it an N DMT uh there's two different kinds one 5 okay 5 Meo yeah 5 Meo is quite a bit different it's uh there's no visuals it's a very intense feeling of connection and very very potent in fact I think it's like supposedly obviously I'm not some sort of a scientist here but uh supposedly it's even more uh powerful gram per gram than DMT is but the DMT the NM DMT is what you're getting in the iasco okay when you eat it if you tried to eat DMT there's a a stomach uh chemical produce you're your your chemical your stomach produces something called monoamine oxidase apparently and uh that breaks down DMT so with these brilliant people that live in the Amazon I figured out how to do was mix the vine of one plant with the leaves of another and cook it all together so they they introduced a natural MAO inhibitor it's insane blows your mind did you ask them how they figured it out no Terence McKenna did and he said that they always said that the plants told them how to do it but you know I've always thought about this with diet like like people have been combining like in proteins for years like milk and cereal and rice and beans and not not knowing that those those two things combined made a complete protein so why would they combine them yeah it's funny you know what I mean it's like it's it's like an odd coincidence but IAS is like the same thing but way more extreme well there's a lot of folks that believe I shouldn't say a lot of folks but it's been speculated I've read I've uh read work where people believe that what we've created with civilization and with societies and uh especially with like modern societies where there's like Mass uh speed communication it's like people are sending each other text messages and
watching television all is that we're missing out key information that is there in nature and that literally if you're in a natural state like if you're living in a natural state and you're away from the the the distractions and The Madness of the [ __ ] civilized world that there's literally a signal that you can't quite pick up anymore and that signal is like a a guide to get through life and that like the Earth literally does talk to you is that the collective Consciousness do you think I don't know I mean I don't know if I believe that it ever really was the case that people were much more sensitive to the language of the earth it is possible I think it's really hard to even wrap our heads around what it must have been like before they were language and and and all the toxins that we've that we've produced as well all the things that we've introduced to our diet and to our bodies you know like like the dashboard on my truck outside is killing me slowly you know what I mean that kind of stuff yeah it's you know they admit they emit all kinds of chemicals and you know like like fluoride as as as people are now starting to understand yeah [ __ ] fluoride's bad for you how what how nutty is that yeah calcifies your pineal gland supposedly I don't know if there's ever written any real studies I have a feeling that might be something that someone just said once and everybody just repeats I can take it out and I don't mind yeah well it's I don't think there's necessarily a lot of evidence that it's good for you I think uh people say that there's a connection between putting fluoride in the water and and removing tooth decay but that also coincided with education about brushing I mean all that that [ __ ] went down when people realized that you have to brush you know and then putting fluoride in your tooth brush in your toothpaste apparently that's not so good either even though you don't eat it still it's like you're there's a reason why you don't swallow that stuff once you like like Fu up your mouth drinking water though yeah [ __ ] crazy yeah but why do we still do it though I don't know some I'm sure there's some grand scheme that some send me a tweet about and I'll spend the next four hours festering over it what Fu I think these are things that are potentially like you
know like keeping us disconnected from from this whatever we're missing out on this language that that we're missing out on from the maybe it's possible but I think that if you were living in the jle and you needed to you know you needed to survive there it is possible that you would at least have an idea of mixing these two things together and cooking them yeah but you imagine if you found out you were right like when you created iasa I mean if the dude just nailed it the first time like let's see what we got here takes a sip yeah he must have been like godamn did I knock it out of the park [ __ ] your vegetable soup I got some [ __ ] that will kick your dick right into the dirt son but look at the guy that found that discovered LSD yeah Albert Hoffman yeah like completely accient not only that he like rode home and thought he was going mad something [ __ ] bicycle first LSD trip ever and then and then didn't he go back a couple of days later in like like five times the amount or something I don't know um I think the F initial amount he took was way higher than like a a normal dose it's like a bucket I think it came in it came in through his fingers I think because um that's the thing about acid it it'll go right through your skin yeah had that happen that's exciting that's it like yeah for the first time the first dude to figure out iasa how long ago was that yeah they say it's at least 2,000 years they say they've they've they've shown like archaeological evidence of awasi use up to 2,000 years ago but how do you even I mean I can't make sense of it now and I have a you know a much more a much better understand of of the universe you know as as obviously science Knows It But like back then when all you know is is the jungle and the plants around you and how how would you even begin to make sense of that how would you begin to make sense of that yeah how would you and then how do you become an expert introducing that to other people like a shaman which I find really fascinating the idea of shamanism it's very fascinating you know why it's fascinating because you've experienced it and you know it's real to a Joe construction worker box that's listening to this nonsense right now you know I like that Joe Rogan podcast but every
now and then they go off the [ __ ] tin foil hat deep and and this guy's talking about Journey to the spirit world and I want to be a shaman get the [ __ ] out of here tell me a joke ass face okay that's what you're here for you [ __ ] that guy's a black bout under Matt Sarah possibly possibly well done yeah the um the the you know it's real yeah you've done it you've experienced it and it's it's not just real it's real in a way where you feel sorry for people who haven't experienced it because if but at the same time I you know when I when I first came back from Peru and people were asking me you know is this something that everyone should experience I was saying yes to everybody but now I'm not so sure I I think there are like I was walking through the look all the other day and you know God Bless America and all the people that that were pumping money into those slots and you know smoking cigarettes and drinking beers but they they need a lot of they need to do lot of self-discovery without an altered state before they would be even ready for that like if you took them and gave them IAS it would ruin them forever maybe maybe this you know maybe just seeing them at their worst maybe they would say that about you if they caught you beating off well maybe you're [ __ ] your eyes cross your tongue out of your mouth and like yeah this guy really needs a [ __ ] IAS seminar you need to get your own life together son you know they would they would come down on you but but it's kind of it's kind of weird because like the people that find their way to it are like are already in a place in their life where they're kind of prepared for it you know um I think that that happens a lot of the time but I'm not completely convinced that happens all the time I've definitely heard of people having bad experiences or going there when they weren't ready for it yeah I think psychedelic experiences are incredibly powerful and to say that people should or shouldn't do it is equally foolish because to say that someone should do it is like how the [ __ ] do you know that guy should do it what cuz you did it and you like it you know yeah I I I'd agree with that I just think you know it's just it's a lot to process for someone that's open-minded so for someone that is buying into the Oprah
cult and you know Oprah's badass dude don't get it wrong don't get it twisted I'd like to take Oprah to I'd like to take Oprah to Peru that's what we need to do we need to get Oprah and bring her to the Jungle yeah I think this is the way forward I think this is how we move to the next stage of our evolution is we've got to start getting some of these these power people and taking them out there and I think it's already happening just we haven't heard about it all yet I hope so listen there's If there really are people and there really are that really do have a massive amount of power in this world and they really do you don't think that they've wanted to look into that like why would you not want to look in that if there's anything that could freak you out if you were in the Builder Burger group you [ __ ] sitting around doing iasa talking to the the Great Serpent as it breaks down your life and the kind of damage that you're doing to society and civilization and how unnecessary it is and how you're still happy even though you're doing it even though you're manipulating the banks controlling the resources of the world instigating Wars overseas and profiting off of it in some strange [ __ ] shell game that nobody completely understands you're still not happy [ __ ] and that's what it would tell you it would be good for everybody but but what do you think what you think if you got the Bilderberg into a into a ceremony and I think they all need to realize that you don't need that much money you [ __ ] crazy you're going crazy [ __ ] you got caught up in your own game you got to the point where controlling the world's economy and you're worth billions what are you doing you don't need billions that's stupid man that's dumb you can have a nice house and food and not worry about [ __ ] for way less and never have to worry about a single thing for the rest of your life like you're in some crazy Stratosphere that no one reaches and you're still trying to make more money you're still trying to [ __ ] people over you're a sick [ __ ] you're sick there obviously rep that it's very repti it's very stupid too because you could be having a great [ __ ] time every day for the rest of your life if I had billions of dollars every day would be fishing I would [ __ ] go fly kites I
would I would travel to to today we're going to Hawaii who gives a [ __ ] you've got a $ hundred million in the bank like you're and instead what are you doing you're trying to [ __ ] over Portugal you're trying to steal steal oil out of the Amazon what yeah what are you trying to do what are you trying to do you're you're [ __ ] [ __ ] up the world it's not necessary but they don't know any better because they're caught up just like those same people at the casino those people are caught up too they're caught up in like a hitch in the human mind that allows you to try to solve puzzles and and seek conclusions and you and you just hijack that [ __ ] with three lemons come on you [ __ ] I can find the three lemons they're in there and then your brain gets locked in this stupid thing and then the cigarettes you're sucking on these cigarettes that these same people are extracting millions of dollars from the society by feeding people these poisonous [ __ ] weed filled tubes that you light on fire and you poison yourself SL when they get sick they give them the drugs to fix it yeah lots of I got plenty of [ __ ] to we basically we're going to knock cancer out of the box for the next couple years you don't to worry about Mr Johnson just keep [ __ ] smoking away it's a it's we live in a mad world we live we live in a world that should be a movie and nowhere is that more readily available or honest than when you have a psychedelic experience because when you see what mushrooms can do or we could see what DM he could do and whether it's in iasa or regular form you you see realize like what there really is like a magic in the world and it sounds so stupid that if you haven't experienced it you really would and even people even people who have experienced it they don't want to describe it that way because they don't want to sound stupid to people who haven't experienced it so they'll go look it's nothing magic your your cerebral cortex gets flooded with chemicals your the visual aspect of your interpretation of the world around you gets hey hi jacked by these new chemicals and it just [ __ ] G maybe maybe or maybe you haven't done it yet yeah and if you have done it maybe you're just cynical maybe you're missing out on what the [ __ ] that is that's some magic fairy dust [ __ ] you get to go to
a fairy land but I do find that I can't speak as openly with people that haven't had that experience anymore no because you sound crazy exactly yeah yeah like I I say I say energy a lot more than I used to powerful I say powerful a lot do you yeah it's a good thing to say I have a lot of power days now like like sometimes I'll get to the end of the day and I'll be like yep that was a power day like I'll be out in the Valley of Fire and you know swimming in Lake me and stuff it's like yep today was a power day what's your kale count per day oh it's it's ridiculous it's ridiculous yeah um but thinking that way like being powerful and and thinking positively that really does change your [ __ ] life it does and people don't understand that like it is silly yeah definitely seems silly it's it's if you're a a serious person who's a conservative man who's not to be mocked and laughed at he would engageing such such behaviors but life itself is silly the whole thing is silly the whole thing is completely ridiculous you know so for you to not you know to be worried about looking stupid by trying that out yeah it's the whole the whole my whole perspective of life change though I I quite like the temporariness of it now do you yeah because because this the space that I always experience you know with the iasca and you know other psychedelics like you know DMT or psilocybin I always feel like like the place I reach when I've had the right kind of amount is is a very familiar safe place I feel like I've been there hundreds of times before it's like I'm back you yeah isn't that the weirdest thing about it it's really odd the weirdest thing about it is how it feels so comfortable and so so normal it feels so familiar yeah I think I think woman described it in the the DMT The Spirit Molecule book Dr Rick strasman she said um it feels like a Wai in room between death and birth wow which I thought was kind of an interesting perspective wow I remember my nice my latest psychedelic trip that it was like just like that where I'm like I've been here before why can't I remember this I like it seems like I do that a lot like go to the same place so many times yeah well that could just be a part of your brain you know it could but it's it's so close to normal human neurochemistry the most profound
ones they're all they're so close to normal [ __ ] your brain produces like mushrooms mushrooms and DMT are like very closely combined they're very closely related chemically and DMT is produced by your brain so all those experiences are just they know exactly where to hit in your mind to produce this stuff yeah I can't think that that's a coincidence I can't think that that's an accident no I I like uh I like Terrence McKenna's theory on on the introduction of cybin into the human diet you know when we became uh you know from the canopy dwelling fruit eaters to the plain dwelling kind of forages um I don't know if that holds up scientifically as far as the timeline but no I've never heard anyone say anything more plausible there's no real serious explanation forward it was a huge leap in Consciousness a doubling of the human brain size over a period of 2 million years and apparently that's the greatest mystery in the entire fossil record I I've always wanted to to have a real light dose of mushrooms and fight like a gram or a gram and a half off and fight yeah yeah well you know I know people have played pool with it and they say they can't miss they say they know where the ball is at all times they feel it moving on the table in three-dimensional space wow yeah guys used to play pool on small amounts of acid too and like have the best game of their life why pool though I mean what a waste what a waste of LSD you know I guess you'd want to be doing something creative but if you were a serious pool player like that's apparently the way to get really awesome who the serious pool player me I I play a lot of pool yeah for real but not not as a job though like you don't do it like I would I I would play professionally what about golf though I mean no no golf is first of all golf you're out there walking around the rain that's [ __ ] and uh second of all you're chasing a ball around pool it's all on this one table the the environment is exactly the same every time you're not dealing with holes and rolls and I bet I would love golf but I'm terrified of trying it and finding out that I love it unpredictable so much work you're out there 8 hours a day chasing a [ __ ] ball when when you play 18 holes like that's several hours
worth of playing eight hours of drinking though Jo but would you enjoy it more with LSD Bill Murray did in catty Shack did you really wasn't that his thing take wasn't it he take acid and play golf it's been so long I know that people have done it yeah it gives you um more sensitivity apparently more uh spatial recognition more uh understanding of distance perception dep perception and apparently in a way that really youd never you never see this field maybe that's Anderson Silver secer he's on assd every time he fights that makes perfect sense yeah could you imagine if he well no steroids but you tested positive for mushrooms you [ __ ] like Jesus what are you doing yeah fighting on mushrooms there should be a separate belt for that entirely well there was a a baseball player famous baseball player who pitched a no hitter while he was on acid really yeah who is that do you know who it is hold on I'll pull it up no hitter on acid it was on during the 70s and uh apparently what happened was he wasn't supposed to be pitching doc Ellis he wasn't supposed to be pitching that day so he decided to get lit up took some acid and then like something happened they called him in and he had to go play and he said he was just flying high and he pitched a no hitter see i' have love to a live through those days of sport instead of these now these are two regulated you know let's go back to those those like 1960s and70s those were crazy days but you can't go back no they're going to be looking back at this day thinking how crazy we were as well it's I often think of all the things that are going to we're going to look back on even when I'm old I'm going to look back and be like wow we actually did that like like I remember smoke like people smoking on planes yes I remember that that's crazy yeah crazy like even like I live in Vegas now I walk into the casinos and like oh peoplewhere it's like two years ago that people stopped smoking in the UK oh yeah well I've immediately made the adjustment though so like in in like 30 or 40 years time like when I'm on a a plane and we're like you know I can't even imagine what it would be like but we're going to look back at like Delta and be like hell no I can't believe I
ever did that I lost my bags I was I was I was stuck between Two Fat Guys sweating on me you know that the definitely yeah there's going to be one day I'm sure there's going to be a better version of that but the the smoking in the sky is the most ridiculous one or when you like nurses and dentists could like smoke while they're actually work 1950s movies and [ __ ] yeah everyone smoked I was watching Invasion of the Body Snatchers the other day the old version [ __ ] doctor sitting there lighting up in the middle of a doctor's appointment you're definitely talking too much about cigarettes today I'm freaking out of he's junky uh he's hooked but yeah the um do you think that I mean it sounds like a crazy thing to say but do you think that I'm open the future I'm sure you are now right do you think that the future of the world like I do you think that it really depends on how many people have psychedelic experiences yeah like that we need to tip the numbers in that direction in order for to get a just a large percentage of people that are at least willing to question the way the whole thing is built yeah at least willing to question the way they're living their own lives at least willing to question what it is we're doing here what are we doing exactly moving on momentum every day yeah getting up when your alarm clock goes off what the [ __ ] are we doing but we're running on like Terence McKenna would say an operating system and the one that we're running on is prehistoric you know everyone's trying to control each other everyone's jealous of what everybody else has got and we really need to get past that and realize that I don't need to be jealous of what anybody else has got because I'm I'm good with what I've got you know and ju just kind of I don't know people are not finding peace so they surround thems with things that they think make them happy we haven't been aware for very long I think that's a real problem I think that the human race is in the middle of waking up and trying to figure out what the [ __ ] it did to get here and what it can do moving forward and right now we're still operating on what it did to get here we're still operating on the ripples of the effects of everything
that's gone on in the past and so when you say something like that like yeah I mean people need to do psychedelics just immediately dismiss you like you're all all this crazy [ __ ] like listening to him yeah people need to do drugs yeah that's what they need to do Dan Hardy they need to do drugs but the thing the thing is I don't think I don't think the focus should be well it has to be psychedelics it's just it's just about people becoming more conscious making conscious decisions and you know even when it comes to like diet and and exercise practice and and uh you know just just your appro approach to people and to relationships to the to how you you you deal with people right um your impact on the world and you know and as soon as more people start thinking about that then we're going to start moving forward I think psychedelics is just kind of a shortcut like you know it just kind of upgrades you a little bit quicker you see things a little clearer like like before before my first my first iosa experience I I always felt like I was in amongst my issues like there were surrounding me and I couldn't really see clearly I couldn't get the pieces in order to put them together right and as soon as that first ceremony was over I felt like I could step back and look at all the pieces in front of me and like piece things together almost like everything's a game you know and I think was it Tom Campbell you were talking to a while ago there's a video of you and him on on YouTu YouTube talking um and he's he's talking about the idea of uh Campbell yeah Thomas Campbell sure that's his the soup guy I'm sure that's his name there's like a what was it about what were we talking about um you know Ju Just the idea like like the Matrix like it's a video game like I I oh I I see I think they combined us okay okay in something yeah that's a good video anyway that's a very interesting oh yeah yeah that's what it is it's um that that there's there's a lot of people that do these brilliant together yeah they do them on their own no no one tells them to do it they just do it and there's so many of them out there man it's incredible but like I I kind of like my approach to life now is is is almost like a video game like like I'm constantly trying to level up I'm
constantly trying to get to the next next stage to to try and like like forc Evolution almost right you know and I think that like I I we were talking about this the day um swimming in the in the lake smoking weed um just kind kind of hanging out and all of a sudden it all kind of fell into place for me like there are certain people that that make an effort to to to re reach a higher Consciousness so so imagine them as like as like bubbles on the table imagine the table's full of Bubbles and one of those people starts to drift off a little quicker and that is going to create a reaction of the people around it and then they're going to pull up and occasionally you're going to get like a Jim Morrison or a Hendrick or a Martin Luther King and they just kind of go and just pop and explode but they cause such a such a ripple that they start to raise everybody else's Consciousness so I think everybody has a responsibility to raise their own and and by doing that we're going to we're going to affect the people around us that's a j hippie term it is raise your Consciousness it is it's like sounds I am a filthy hippie now but it sounds like what a dude would say if he's trying to [ __ ] you CH you know I'm just trying to raise your Consciousness that if you and I made love maybe it bring us closer wow that does sound like me listen Dan Hardy I know I know your trick son um but what you what you're saying though I agree with entirely even though it sounds like dirty hippie talk what you're saying is that we have to kind of realize that the only way to really en enjoy this life is you got to not just bring yourself up but bring up the people around you and as they rise up it'll rise you up as well and that we really all all connected and it's your ego that keeps you from seeing that it's your ego from trying to separate yourself from all these people that are around you and thinking that you're on your own but you're not on your own no one's on their own no and like and I struggle to come to terms with some things like the way like Michael Vic treats animals or like there's a documentary I tweeted a while ago on YouTube and I apologize for anybody that watched it because it's the
most awful thing I've ever seen it's called earthlings MH and it's just a video of of of the different ways that humans use and treat animals and I got to like 26 minutes and I had to stop watching it it was so difficult and I always struggle with coming to terms with why that happens why is that there and and my conclusion is that is that because it causes me to have a reaction to have a feeling about it so everybody that sees it everybody that witnesses that will immediately form an opinion and that defines them a little further to themselves like we have to ask these questions about how do we feel about that that makes me feel uncomfortable I don't think that that's necessary and I don't want to watch that well it it also the reason why that exists the reason why those things can happen is that people are willing to overlook normal human morals and values in favor of prophets yeah and when as soon as you're the the numbers the one and the zero become the almighty then you're [ __ ] because then you're caught up in the wave of ones and zeros yourself you can become just as disposable as anybody else I mean you should just that alone should get people recognize that hum humanely if you want to like like get through this life humanely like you cannot only look at the ones and zeros cuz that's everything that's [ __ ] up about the world whether it's War whether it's a manipulation of the markets whether it's controlling natural all of it is about ones and zeros 100% yeah and and the people that have that have built this this society around it this operating system that we function under have have they've kind of they've kind of coralled us into a position where we don't have to make these these decisions we don't have to ask these questions about you know it does the Hummer that I drive drink far too much fuel and I having too much impact on my environment around me am I an [ __ ] for driving it you know what I mean it's that kind of people don't need to ask those and you say this as a man who loves classic cars you know and and it's a LoveHate relationship I have I have my Pontiac sitting in the garage and I drive it probably once a month and I've been talking about it about selling it for a while and you're going to get a Prius Dan Harney you better not get a
Prius you son of a [ __ ] I I can't I can't do a Prius the thing is the thing that doesn't make any sense Shelby gt500s the new ones pretty [ __ ] good on gas turns out a big powerful engine that's not working very hard it's pretty efficient but the thing is the tech dou yeah just get the dancing bears around your belly button that's what but it but it's like like in the UK I had a I had a Kia sponsorship for a while in the UK and they would give me a new car every time I went back to drive and it was like what a thrill but but but seriously though like it was a 1.6 diesel it got like 60 miles to the gallon so so why is that technology not making it over to the US because it's boring as [ __ ] to drive there's no s you can't listen Leonard skinnard music where you're driving around an AA diesel so so the options are Prius that gets 42 mil Alabama doesn't sound right you want to hear the engine you know what I'm saying you want to you want to be able to shift your own gear son all these things that are dying off I bemoan that but but then on the flip side you know should I drive a car that drinks so much fuel So eventually we can we can get through this quicker and then people that have control of the fuel will lose their power and then we can start thinking ahead you know like and then we need Hamp diesel to run our muscle cars you know it's a finite resource so maybe we should just get through it as quickly as possible yeah it is a finite resource apparently but I don't understand how that works I don't understand how much oil is left there's you know the problem with one of those controversial subjects like peak oil is when you hear those guys talk you don't know who the [ __ ] is right you know this guy's saying that there's I read a book called Black Gold strangle hold that was they claiming that oil is a uh repeatedly made repeatedly made um fluid and that Wells that have gone dry if you give them enough time they start producing oil again the thing is though the only people that know the real facts the people that are in control anyway so why would they tell this the truth yeah I don't know I I mean the idea that anybody could own the oil I mean that's ridiculous that's the whole earth you [ __ ] you can't just fly over there in your metal boxes gas Khan but I say this
about like like Red Rock Canyon like our out there hiking and I'll get there at like you know 4:50 and the park closes at 5: it's a mountain how does it close yeah you you know what that's from they're they they're tired of picking people's pieces up and having people they so listen you [ __ ] you can't you can't be out here because it's dangerous and too many of you dummies get drunk and fall off cliffs and die I think I think those dummies should get drunk and fall off cliffs and die I think that's the way of thin in the hood without is actually going out and and shooting people I'm with you son you know there was a uh there was a woman who recently died like this this week in France and she fell from like 900 ft off the top of a cliff by the time they got down to her the vultures had already eaten her oh well that saves carrying her back yes that's one way to look at it but like let's let's just take all of like you know all like the safety precautions that we have like fences around like moving parts and you know like s of like Crossings mhm if you can't make it across the street without getting hit by a car another thing as well and I have a lot of people that disagreed with me when I spoke about this on Twitter m 50 mph zones around schools like if if if all the time when I was a kid I grew up around cars moving at 50 mil an hour why would I ever take them seriously as a threat you know like like we need respect for these things cuz these things are [ __ ] dangerous fu yeah that's totally true so we need to we need to learn to be careful about it it's all about education yes I agree with you but to play Devil's Advocate there's too many dumb [ __ ] out there that need a sign that gives them in unreasonable speed limits just so they slow the [ __ ] down when they're around schools like our friends that we're talking about speeding and texting you can't have a 60 M hour speed limit in front of a school with that [ __ ] driving okay cuz someone's little kid's going flying over the hood I wouldn't want it to be little Dan Hardy well no and it's an awful thing but the problem 15 milph is smart because kids also are stupid and they tend to jump into traffic and they you know oh I lost my piece of paper [ __ ] man I need to [ __ ] pass this class and they run out
into the street and boom you got to be able to hit that break you [ __ ] hey man [ __ ] you [ __ ] you old man but I don't ever remember anybody getting hit by a car outside of school when I was a kid and and we had we had a 45 m 40 mph Zone outside of my school I'm sure I did see a woman get hit by a truck though o Jesus she had her groceries on the on the handlebar oh my God how bad was that bad oh Jesus yeah bad [ __ ] a man I don't I don't want to see that but I have that's the problem with the inter I've seen everything yeah at this point you've seen so much have you watched the video of the Monk setting himself on fire from yes I I spent a day watching that over and over again the one from Vietnam yeah how how do you how do you prepare yourself for that he didn't even [ __ ] move he he never like he never panicked he he stayed in the Lotus position until he Tak something to numb it nope I do not believe so so that's mean if you're going to light yourself on fire we're [ __ ] difference isn't make how you're doing just light yourself on fire dude it's going to get kind of warm into it did you see the uh the bear eat the monkey no in in Hong Kong or t Taiwan maybe I forget somewhere in Singapore I'm just making [ __ ] up now I know where the [ __ ] it happen some in some uh Asian country there was a uh Carnival show where a bear was on a bicycle see if we pull it up Jamie there's a bear on a bicycle and a monkey on a bicycle and they're going around this ring and this is it pull it way up into the the like the half of it into it before the the bear loses his [ __ ] yeah right before there so the monkey CRA pull it back pull it back pull it back pull it back pull it back the monkey uh crashes a bike and the bear crashes into the monkey's bike when it's on the ground and just decides to eat the monkey he's like you know what [ __ ] you so watch this Boom the monkey crashes the bear crashes on him it's like you know what I think I'm just going to eat you and just [ __ ] mauls that monkey and they're all grabbing him and pulling the monkey away and look at this that monkey is bucksville son that bear is just going off on that monkey it's like you stupid [ __ ] you dropped your [ __ ] bike that's it I've been thinking about eating you for
months I bet his instincts were when something goes down in front of you you just start eating it you know I think that's like bear 101 right if you're a bear and some [ __ ] trips in front of you like that you just start eating like you got a gift from the gods how could he not do that why would you not yeah yeah you don't train bear stupid you think you train Bears you train for a little bit we got him to ride a bike and while he's riding that bike he's going I want to eat that monkey god damn I want to eat that monkey not many times you can use that sentence yeah unless you're Joey Diaz I think you use it all day eat that monkey [ __ ] um so you had all these experiences did it make you look at fighting any differently yeah yeah um this is going to sound kind of odd because I carried on fighting after the the experience but I kind of saw the futility in it the pointlessness in it MH you know right I mean there's a British comedy that uh that kind of captures it really well they do like a parody of a like a soccer commercial and they like you know talked about Manchester United and Arsenal and and they'll they'll win and they'll see who wins now and then next year it'll carry on just the same and there'll be more guys that win and you know what I mean it's the same thing like I could be the champion for 10 years but once that 11th year comes there's going to be somebody else that's champion and it will just continue on forever and and it's it's it's the it's it's the the absolute core of of of the capitalist approach to life is to actually beat someone down to take food out of their mouth which is really kind of odd and I've never seen it like that before normally it's like yeah I'm going to I'm going to beat the hell out of that guy I'm going to take what he's got but now I I I'm kind of I like the I like the I like the the competition I like the the actual uh physical test of fight figh in but not for the same reasons not not to like to be more successful and you know to can you can you continue with the same passion having different ideas of what's important about fighting yeah because well the there's one thing that I that I was really starting to focus on uh you know with the Amir fight since I went to
Peru with the Amir fight and and going into the Brown fight as well and and this is the reason why I would I would at least like the option to to carry on fighting you know I would like to be able to get cleared so I can you know I don't think I'll go back to fighting you know three times a year and chasing the belt because my focus is elsewhere now um where's your focus well there's a space that you get to when uh do you read much Carl San you read the dragons of Eden no I hav about the tree and brain and and the I'm I'm trying to I'm trying to like understand the distinction between the different areas of the brain The Reptilian Brain which is obviously responsible for all the uh the the aggressiveness the the instinctual stuff um uh the the fighting and killing and all that kind of That's The Reptilian Brain the political side of us basically um and then after that then you've got like the old mamillion brain which is um where we start to make kind of like basic connections with people and understand that if we work as a group we can you know we can survive better and then the next level up is is obviously a higher Consciousness is is having deeper understanding deeper relationships and Communications with people around you but there's a point when when you fight where where The Reptilian Brain takes over and I usually feel it after I've been cracked a couple couple of times like when I was fighting Ludwig in uh at the MGM I was very conscious for the first you know 30 30 seconds or so of the fight and then as I stepped in you you remember he cracked me with that right hand right in the chin and I rushed him up against the fence and immediately I switched over to to Instinct and it's it's like being a passenger it's like I'm not I I have no conscious uh decision making ability in that in that time it's all Instinct I'm not I'm not focused at all on on what he's doing I'm just reading I'm just feeling and and and I want I want to find if I can get I want to see if I can get to that place for a longer period of time you know what I mean like with the Amir fight I felt like I would slip in and out of it like like the first round it was it was so overwhelming because it was Hometown you know my name was being shouted like by you know 8,000 people or something and and and you know I live
next to the arena so it occurred to me that if I lost that would be on my mind every time I looked out of my my window so the first round I lost it I mean I just I just kind of moved around and backed up and when I sat down in my corner after the first round I apologized to my team I said I'm sorry I just had to get that out the way but then the second and third round I felt like I could reach that that stage sometime where I just kind of allow my body to take over and and just switch off and and effectively just watch do you think that's what Anderson's doing I think he that's that's exactly what he's doing yeah but I don't know as as he's aware of of himself doing it do you know what I mean he's just so good that's how he lock yeah I just think I just think when the fight starts he immediately switches over but you you can see it in people's eyes like vandelay is a great example if you watch one of vay's highlight reels where it's got a few of his St Downs he immediately switches to reptile mode as soon as he's fighting that's a great way of putting it with him too it's it's true but you know and like manhoff is another one yeah those guys that have just just got that like instinctual rage it just kind of comes on but and and this is why like you know I've I've always kind of heard the term you know you you main 20 you maintain 20% of the things that you learn in the gym in the actual fight you know when adrenaline and and and the actual fight is is is occurring you only kind of maintain like keep about 20% of what you've learned in the gym so the idea is being in the gym you train yourself to the point where it does become Instinct and then when the fight happens you just switch to reptile mode and reptile mode uses the skills that you learn to to get the job done more efficiently do you think that becoming uh more aware or reaching a higher state of consciousness because of your experiences will actually help you because it'll abandon a lot of the distractions that you present yourself almost unknowingly yeah well it helps me it helps me in training and and particularly in when I'm running now because I used to listen to like panta and and yeah like vision of disorder when I was running and I'd worked myself into like a rage so I would run to exhaustion that was kind of
how I trained and I trained all the way through my career like that and the last couple of fights I've switched it up I've been listening to a lot more like but more like B binaural beat type of stuff when I'm running so I can get into more like a meditative uh stage you know W doing a lot of yoga as well and trying to find the same thing where you just you you you're within yourself and you're not focusing on anything else so your body's almost like on autopilot yeah that you the music that you listen to when you train can have a profound effect on how you approach your training yeah it really can it's so important and that's why I've always been so vocal about all the stuff I listen to like i' have like training camp playlist so I tweet everyday trunk songs I was listening to and that kind of thing it is important and and the other thing as well like earlier on in my career I would use music to Anchor feelings so like like uh when I fought Ludwick I used a song called Iron by wood kid which was the first time I'd switched it up from England belongs to me for like you know a bunch of fights um so like for the 12 weeks of that fight like I was training with Frank M we were going up to up to Mount Charleston and out into Red Rock and like doing hill running and stuff and we had some real tough sessions I mean you know we really put ourselves through it for that training camp and as soon as I got back in my truck after the session after the session if I felt like it was a good session it was productive and I felt positive I would put that song on and I so I would constantly connect those feelings to that that song so then when when I'm walking out and that song comes on immediately I get that Feeling Again H you know and it's just like you know just like when you listen to a song and you think of a person like oh I heard that song was with that person and you make that connection immediately but you can also train yourself to do it and so that's why I like I listen to Cypress Hill now and it will take me back to fighting in cage Warriors like you know back in 2006 wow and I have songs all the way through like that that I now I don't listen to cuz it like my first two fights I came out to panta drag The Waters by the time I got to the cage I was so wound up and so angry that I was
just I just ran out of gas immediately you know what I mean and and now whenever I listen to those songs I get that feeling of like exhaustion like oh that's hilarious yeah yeah people have like sex songs remind them of sex songs that remind you of disappointment songs that remind you of EX why did you connect sex to disappointment well just standard isn't it is that how it goes most of the time we're just sex songs like something crazy from the spin doctor um so what's uh what's next from here if you your focus has moved slightly off of uh fighting and you still are interested in fighting and you're still interested in seeing what sort of State you can achieve inside the the Octagon what else you going to do with your time well I've been having a lot of ideas um a lot of uh I've had a few ceremonies recently with various things and I've I've I've got a a quite a clear direction of where I want to go um I would like I want to get cleared to fight I would like to be able to fight again um even if it's just you know once a year once every 18 months or something just and and just have a fight with like someone that's going to be a fun fight where I can kind of test some of these theories and see where I'm at physically right um but I'm going to start I'm going to start uh a video blogging my training sessions because uh I do all kinds of stuff I do a lot of a lot of bickram yoga a lot of hot yoga um trail running kettlebell sessions uh and then then I I want to be able to go into the gym and work on specific things like like last night I went into uh 10th Planet van eyes and just kind of had a roll around with those guys and I enjoyed it because because there was it was very very playful there was no like agenda I Had No Agenda because I was just I was in the moment you're just learning in the moment exactly and then and obviously when you got a training camp everything's always like I always felt like I was wishing my life away yeah because I'm constantly waiting for a date that's five six weeks ahead so I'm never in the moment I'm always in in the moment you know that's that's to come George was talking about how much he enjoys uh training in between fights because then he just like he just will
go box for like six weeks or eight weeks just only boxing concentrate only on that then he'll do Jiu-Jitsu in New York he'll go there with Don and her and train with him for six weeks whatever wants I just want to do that I'm going to take a trip out to um out to Southeast Asia and do a little tour of Thailand and are you going to become a shaman Dan Hardy I don't know I feel like you are on that path I'm moving in an interesting Direction but I I want to I want to start kind of kind of uh promoting an more of an alternative lifestyle of what I'm doing what with my diet and and my you know teacher plants medicines and uh and and my approach to training and health you know I I I'm really really focused on getting strong and flexible right now that's my main focus through you know kettlebells and body weight exercises and and lots of stretching um and and I'm just kind of interested to see where this journey is going to go my my my goal is is to basically get paid to be myself that's that's that's what I want to do you know and do improve yourself yeah yourself exactly so and and you know kind of you know I have I have I have sponsors right now that are supportive obviously you know what with Zion and fear the fighter and and Venom and you know I want them to to continue to support me and and while I'm on this Quest and and doing all this kind of interesting stuff so I figured if I put a video blog out there for people to watch it's you know it gives him a that's a great idea a bit more of a connection wolf cam I think I'm going to call it wolf cam yeah it's called The Wolf cam [ __ ] yeah um yeah oh so pretty good yeah so so I think I think that's what I'm going to do um I have some other ideas as well um I have a I have a few people to speak to about some some business ideas that I have again all within the same if it's illegal don't admit on this podcast it's most definitely not illegal okay good um at least not in Peru no no uh like you know try and help promote a a more clean and conscious lifestyle so what is your diet now I'm predominantly vegan now you son of a [ __ ] I thought we' get into this I heard this you went dark on me son of a [ __ ] um I I'm not I'm not uh I'm not giving it a name because it's not not really got a name I'm just kind of my
approach to animal products I will I will have animal products occasionally if if I know that it's from a source that I'm I'm comfortable with you know like hunted meat or free range chicken or something like that exactly yeah yeah um I I will eat fish all day long cuz fish don't even take care of their babies that's that's my Logic on fish anybody who doesn't eat fish is crazy what about from a selfish point of view if you know if you don't know where the fish is from like if you went out to a restaurant and it was just Farm raise is not good a lot of farm raise stuff is not good um because first of all a lot of times they're exposed to higher levels of mercury apparently or higher levels of uh toxins because if you're in like these tanks of water or Farms of all fish is [ __ ] on each other and it's just it's not a healthy it doesn't taste as good it I mean it I mean it's better than not eating it I mean it's not that bad but I think that it's been proven that uh that like when you see like red deep red salmon and then you see like the salmon that you get like the farmer ra salmon where they have to diyet Pink it's been proven that that wild stuff tastes better there's something better about it it's probably better for you I don't know if it's better for you but it's probably better for you yeah you know I tweeted something the other day I was in a store in uh boy Idaho and uh it was a it was a photograph of um the ingredients of a bottle of soda and one of the ingredients was artificial Wild Cherries that's hilarious welcome to America Monsanto probably owns the patent and official so so we were talked about this and I got into my theory of uh of of Stoner language St like Stoner understandings of the world like things that things that you see if you smoke weed that other people that smoke weed don't and that's that kind of thing artificial Wild Cherries wow I tweeted yeah um that's hilarious it is really funny like people that people that don't uh use plants in various ways um don't see these things they don't they don't pick up on these things artificial Wild Cherries people can you know I'm not a I'm not a 100% proponent of all people using marijuana because I know some people can't well yeah I know they can't and but you know when you hear somebody
say something like that you're like yeah that St yeah there's there's certain things that people say where you automatically know this guy gets high but I have friends that seem like they get high and they don't get high like Stan hope dou like Stan hope totally seems like he would get high but he doesn't get high he doesn't like it he says it makes him feel paranoid he doesn't like it at all so maybe some people are just naturally inclined to be like that I couldn't tell you know I feel like it's obvious when you look at terrible people that the someone's brain works different than your brain or my brain yeah when you see like a guy like Gandhi for sure his brain worked different than my brain there's just no doubt about it he also had his own path and he also had his own intentions and his own life but I just can't imagine that his interpretation of life was the same as my interpretation of life and if that's the case how the [ __ ] do I know what pot does to you how the [ __ ] would I know I you know I know people can't smoke it they smoke it and then they'll wake up three days later with their pants off in the jungle you know they like I don't know sounds like a good weekend maybe unless one of those wandering spiders gets you and gives you a heart on until you die I spent two weeks walking around the jungle in my underwear how dare you sir did you get nervous at all nothing biting you nothing did you feel like you had the secret on your side and you put POS vies I felt like I was very connected to it all like like I wasn't going to mess with anything they weren't going to mess with me it was yeah did you see Jaguars in your I I didn't I could hear no we could hear them though yeah cuz the jungle was literally like outside of the oh dude wait a minute so you're on IAS and you hear Jaguars uhhuh Jesus yeah what are you hearing what are you hearing you could just hear them fighting yeah yeah just come into contact occasionally with each other and come on does that make you shake your pants not as much as the plane going over that was really scary oh no we were on flight path for iito which is like the nearest airport and like at 8:30 every night so like 30
minutes into the ceremony like we were in we were in it's called the malaka the ceremonial building it was like a big circular wooden building and it's got net up to like like you know about a meter high and uh sorry a net a meter high off the floor so you're like in the jungle pretty much there's not much separating you and there's all kinds of noises and crazy stuff going on and and it kind of becomes comfortable after a while but the bugs are really loud right yeah they are and the frogs as well but the plane was such an such an alien kind of sound because we only heard it a couple of times a day and the you know the last time we heard it was 8:30 at night just after we'd had a had a you know the dose of iwaska and it started to come on the next thing I can hear is over my head and and I can feel everybody else's Consciousness on that plane I'm like I know there are like you know like 250 people up there and I'm like feeling all of that kind of energy go over it was really weird and it happened every night every ceremony and those third world plane flights them them's a little different son yeah chickens in the back tied down with [ __ ] duct tape you saw that plane crash that happened like last week that freaked me out did you see that from Afghanistan it was a cargo plane and they think that the cargo shifted the load shifted like it wasn't tied down properly and when that happens if the load shifts the plane just immediately all the weight goes to the front or the back of the plane they just nose dived wow ooh yeah it's pretty [ __ ] up we'll end on that for a nice beautiful cheery way to end just to just to let everybody know that you could you could defy gravity for short periods of time every now and again but if you [ __ ] up and or it [ __ ] up or this's mechanical failure or Jesus Christ imagine watching that wow wow imagine being on that bus driving past it oh my God that bus almost got hit by a plane that fell from the sky like it's like scene of scene of Final Destination 16 or something one day when we have magnetic UFO looking things that can't even run into each other cuz they have magnets on the outside so they go like and they bounce off each other we'll look at someone should get crashes I think
they're probably already on it you think yeah well they always talk about um when whenever like serious physicists discuss the possibility of space travel like Interstellar space travel they um like Stanton fredman like how how could aliens be doing it one of the things they always concentrate on is some sort of magnetic Drive the um the uh guy Dr Robert Lazar he's uh often criticized gentlemen who claim to work at Area 51 Yeah but whether or not that guy told the truth I I don't know but uh he described some sort of back engineering that they were doing at Area 51 and it was some sort of magnetic Drive the idea is that you know you figure out how to use magnets or something to overcome gravity to create like a little hole in space and time and just fly around through that whatever the [ __ ] I even said Dan Hardy I don't even understand I shouldn't it shouldn't be legal for me to say what I just said because I don't even know what the [ __ ] it means wow I got really into aliens when I was younger when I was in my teen it was like everything was aliens I I really hope I get to experience some kind of contact before I die you know did you see this latest disclosure these five days of uh disclosure hearings on Capitol Hill no dude dude crazy [ __ ] all these different yeah well you know the real problem with any sort of UFO thing is that it looks silly it looks silly you saying you saw UFO makes you a silly person more silly even than iasa because at least iasa has a great body of evidence to support what's going on neurochemically but you saying that you saw a UFO you immediately become a silly person all these like former military people all these people that were air traffic controllers Pilots all these people report these unbelievably unique experiences and I don't know if they're telling the truth or not but if they were telling the truth if just one of these things happened every now and again of course it would seem ridiculous to us on the outside the people sitting down here it's it's natural to criticize it and make fun of it and laugh at it because it is kind of crazy to think that but if just one of those is true if just one of those are a real craft From Another Dimension from another planet you don't think that that's possible you're silly if you don't think that
within from here in every direction Infinite Space what what does that even mean we don't even know what the [ __ ] that means right I even comprehend that there's got to be something out there that's I think it's to think that there's not if we survive if we little pesky humans figure out how to keep going for another couple million years who knows what the [ __ ] we're going to figure out yeah to think that somebody else can't be out there and what would we do if someone was out there we would go check them out yeah of course of course we [ __ ] yeah we check them out yeah we go to the Congo we go to the Congo we check out tribes we check out tribes of fishermen they're hanging off [ __ ] trees picking up fish with Nets we go watch them what do you think about the theory of of the uh you know the the interaction with our history and how and and how they' help guid is it's all speculation it's complete speculation because you don't know whether or not you look at an ancient when you look at ancient drawings you don't know what's fantasy you don't know what's a story you don't know what's uh their version of U [ __ ] The Hobbit you know they might make up stories you know who knows it could be their version of Twilight that's what when you look at at aliens in the wall it's their version like they told a stupid story to make everybody go to sleep who knows we we know that it's art we we we've seen in in their art these that closely resemble what we would think to be alien spacecrafts or alien beings but we don't really know what the [ __ ] it is it's not that much evidence it's a small amount I have evidence there's a few cool videos you know they're like hm what is that I don't want the [ __ ] that I don't even know if it's real it's hard to tell but if it happened to you man you'd [ __ ] know yeah and that's what you can't discount you can't discount the possibility of unique experience but once you've had a DMT trip aliens seem like so P it's like it's just kind of mat a fact I think it's kind like well yeah of course well not only that it's like to have that experience like a a ship lands and they get out it would be so less bizarre because it's all taking place right here you can see it it's external what's taking place also in the
dimension that we're comfortable with where we can walk on the grass and feel the grass where we step on rocks we feel the Rocks Under Our shoe your car is parked over there you see the clouds above you and then everything is basically normal except this new introduced element into your environment that you have to not oh a [ __ ] little dude from another planet holy [ __ ] this really is true that's nothing compared to a DMT trip cuz a DMT trip the dimension that you exist in Becomes of vibrant glowing colors with no background and constantly changing geometric patterns that are they're fractal and they're infinite that's way crazier than an alien landing yeah but the thing is like we're we're in an environment now where particularly with the internet we we've effectively seen most things like I remember when I was in China and I was walking down the street with a friend of mine who was like you know 230 pound ripped black dude and these Chinese dudes were just in awe they just they just stood stood and watched him as he walked down the street like The Green Mile exactly so then you know like and then think back to like uh I don't know you know when when the Romans were fighting different tribes and they were taking elephants with them like when they took elephants to Britannia like there's a there's there's a tube Station in London called elephant and Castle which was you know this elephant cross crossing crossing this plane with this dude sitting on top riding it and The Barbarians that were living there at the time just lost their [ __ ] and ran away like why wouldn't you you know what I mean yeah but we don't have those experiences anymore because we've seen everything or you know we might see something that's a a new species but it's only a variation of something that's already familiar to us right like imagine seeing an elephant for the first time if you've lived in like I don't know England yeah Jesus Christ it would blow your mind when did they know that elephants existed when was it first documented by Western World obviously Africans you know be listening to this going [ __ ] we've known about elephant for 70,000 years when did you figure out elephant they like when did oh when did the Civilized folk learn of the larger
animals on the PLS you know when did they discover when did people discover elephants oh it wasn't until 1900 white people got down there proper people imagine imagine when the Explorers like first saw a giraffe yeah but how much would that below your mind well I guess we grew up with them though didn't we I mean if the if you believe that human life emanated from the lower hominids that existed in Africa and came down from the rainforest into the grasslands we would have probably been around them but would they would they have not uh would they still not seem unfamiliar if you alien like if you if you were from like Mongolia oh yeah then it'd be alien as [ __ ] if you came over from I mean essentially if you go anywhere where you haven't been there before and they have some new [ __ ] you're like what are you doing with [ __ ] kangaroos every what the [ __ ] I have a friend named Eddie if he's a standup comic and uh he's done very well in Australia and he goes over there quite a bit and one of the things he told me was that he first encountered a a kangaroo kangaroos have killed people like many times like they will [ __ ] rip you apart and he didn't know how big they got there's two kangaroos like a red one and a gray one I guess one of them is giant one of them's like 9et tall and he was out in this guy's yard and he saw this kangaroo and he thought it was a statue because it was too big he started walking towards it so he was like cuz it was N9 feet tall wow and he was like well that's not really kangaroo kangaro don't get that tall and his friends go stop walking and turn around now get the [ __ ] away from that thing and tangaro like looks at him and all a sudden he realize oh Jesus this is a 9- foot squirrel that's about to [ __ ] me up yeah that's a scary thought it's a 9 foot jumping squirrel that will kick your guts out yeah yikes but but the thing is like like my point still stands over he's still seen what a kangaroo looks like even if he's even if he's not expecting a 9 foot one right like like even if even if a velociraptor showed up right now in this room you know we've seen it we've we've kind of seen we kind of know what they look like there's no surprises but an alien landing yeah is that's still kind of a shock to the system but
then again on top of that the DMT realm is completely removed altogether yeah and Aliens the problem I always have with the aliens is they look so much like us in the future yeah I always wonder whether or not like I mean the the the big the grand theory is the simulation theory that we're living inside some sort of artificial reality and that the aliens really are us and that's why we have this weird image of that being us in the future we're already there and we didn't like it it sucks it's boring we we we sort of evolved the fun out of life so we've created this crazy simulation that we all exist in that's the grand Theory that's the grand Theory involving the aliens for me at least okay that's why they look like us and that's why they have big black things their eyes we [ __ ] the environment so hard that you have to have sunglasses everywhere you just everywhere you go you have to have built-in sunglasses so we just artificially create sunglasses for each other just put giant [ __ ] black things over your eyes done D don't worry about the [ __ ] hyperv violent Rays or whatever is out there jacking you we have really long fingers from texting exactly well at that point in time you probably control everything with your mind so yeah there's probably no need for muscles that's why they're so skinny there little tiny dudes with giant heads and they control everything with their minds do you think do you think we could potentially evolve to that stage unquestionably really no doubt about it I think that if we can send to this day I my this computer is not hooked up to anything Dan Hardy but yet it's on the internet yeah it's getting the internet through the space around us you know you telling me that that can't eventually be human consciousness itself traveling through space through some sort of a a mechanism for for for generating it or promoting it or projecting it do you know the fart Theory D it's coming it's coming it's coming you know the fart Theory I don't know the fart Theory my alien fart theory is this um if someone farted and you didn't have a sense of smell you'd have no idea that you were sitting in someone's fart cuz you can't see it you know you really don't know and farts are like a real fart you're
like oh my God you'll get the [ __ ] out you close your but you don't see a damn thing somehow or another you've been affected by something that you didn't pick up with your normal senses or with all of your normal senses you heard it and then you smelt it but you saw nothing how do we not know there's not an infinite amount of things all around us all the time that we just do not have the ability to detect that's so that's your argument for people that laugh at you when you use the word use the term energy like you start talking about energy and stuff and like Bros like oh yeah yeah whatever whatever Bros yeah Bros are always a problem it's always fart though you can't smell a fart yeah and you don't know what the [ __ ] that is that's energy yeah yeah and the bigger the dude M likely the more energy he's going to put his farts you know I mean if Tony hinchcliff farts or Joey Diaz farts which way do you want to lean you mean when Tony que come on hey easy come on man listen Dan Hardy you're a bad [ __ ] and I I'll have you on anytime you're around man anytime you want to come back let's we could we could do this for I have to leave otherwise I would keep going forever I think you and I could talk for a long time and we've been friends for a long time man you're a cool [ __ ] I like you and I'm really um uh I'm I'm very appreciative of how you are evolving as a human being I think it's really fascinating to watch and I congratulate you thank you on your on your travels thank you well I'll be out I'll be out helping ma out and stuff for so you're going to be for a while I'll be around in California here and I'll kind of I'll start let's do it again in a couple weeks that let's do it again powerful Dan Hardy all right my brother thank you sir thank you um thank you everybody for sponsoring this bad boy uh thanks to Squarespace go to squarespace.com Joo and use the code Joe 4 to save yourself some shekel son okay Joe Rogan okay if you um I don't know where that came talking to yourself I was um reading reading while I was doing this uh thanks also to hover go to hover.com Rogan and get 10% off your domain name registrations and thanks to on it.com use the code name Rogan at o n niit t
and save 10% off any and all supplements all right you freaks we will be back tomorrow with the great danieli belli who returns the drunken DS podcast to drop some knowledge about religious history and how much [ __ ] like an accent like that oh [ __ ] all right thank you guys for tuning in we love you and uh as Joey Diaz says stay black [Music] [Music]