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very friendly guy. You're very like easy to I've seen you interact with a lot of different people over many years. You're very easygoing, very very nice to get along with. Yeah. I I don't want to be I don't want to look like a fighter when you talk to me, let's say, on the phone. I want I want to look like a normal human being. Of course. Yeah. That that's a little bit the impression that people have sometime. Well, you're you're not just a nice guy. You're like, you're honest about your own vulnerabilities, which I've always found fascinating. Like you talk about what what makes you scared. You talk about what you're worried about. Like you, you know, like even this Nick Diaz fight, you're like, I am scared because I I don't want to lose to this guy. Like there's a lot of people who never admit that. Yeah. But it make you I think it make you stronger to admit that you're scared because you're not scared to say that you're scared, right? Someone who's doesn't admit it because he's scared to admit that he's scared. He's scared of himself. scared of what people gonna think about him. I'm not scared what people going to think. They have to to to see me as as I am. So, I'm not scared to admit that I'm scared. And it's almost like when you don't admit you're scared, it's like you're pro you're protecting yourself from evolving cuz the only way you can ever be realistic about a situation and get better at anything in life is you've got to accurately address what's happening. True. 100%. You know, and there's some people that don't do that and I think that cuts them off from a certain amount of progress in life. I think there's a certain there's there's like walls that you put up yourself because you're not willing to look at your own failures. 100%. You're not uh you're not uh honest with yourself, you know? So that's what it is a little bit. Yeah. So admitting you're you're afraid is like so what, [ __ ] Yeah. I'm afraid that's you know what as much as I'm afraid I'm going to make that walk the day of the day of the the the day of it and I'm going to do it regardless. And it sounds more crazy. I would be more afraid of a guy that says I'm like who says like I'm afraid but you know what? I'm going to still do it and I don't care if I'm afraid. Bring it. I'll do it. Like this is sound crazy
to me more than a guy said, "Oh no, no, no. I'm not afraid because this guy is a lie. He's afraid to say that he's afraid. He's like, man, you know what I mean?" To me, like personally, that's what it is. Yeah. The posturing and posing it's it's unnecessary. Exactly. But you are afraid of aliens though, right? Yeah, I'm afraid of a lot of Is it true you have like a a path mapped out in your house how to get out if the aliens show up? No. No, that's the rumor, man. That's what I heard. I heard you have a plan cuz I know you like to use game plans. So, I figured you had an alien. I have I know I know Kared and I know jiu-jitsu. So, the show up, I put a triangle choke on him. And I also have a kat I have also a katana, a Japanese katana. So if they come, I can slice them apart. Wow. Do you keep a sword in your house? That's It's a It's a It's a collection, you know. It's for me. It's I have to two. You better not bring any crazy [ __ ] home. Ah, man. It's a sword and crazy [ __ ] I have this hacksaw on the side of my bed that I always forget is there. I always like almost cut my finger off all the time at the Yeah, you should put that in the garage, son. [ __ ] is wrong with you? this big sword/meat cleaver that it's just awesome. So, do you really have a fear of aliens or is this just a [ __ ] rumor? Cuz what didn't you do a countdown show and you did a whole thing talking about how you're being scared of being abducted by aliens? Yeah, I'm scared. I'm I'm scared of a lot of thing, you know. I can't get too much. I'll get I'll get into it. Like I can't I can't I can't I can't talk about it right now. But yeah, you can't talk about it right now. Yeah. is is one day I was going to come out and make a big thing about it, but no right now. Yeah. Have you had an experience with aliens? No, no, no, no, no. I don't believe you. I don't believe you. I don't know. I don't know. You don't know. You might have had an experience with my my manager going to have a heart attack right now. I see. My brother, I would never do or lead you down any path that's bad for your career. Just as you said that it's good that to be afraid, it's also good to be honest about everything. Even [ __ ] that sounds crazy. No, no, no. That's the thing. I'm
honest. Like, look, I'm honest. I'm afraid, but I don't have to tell everything on on the public. It's true. You don't. But, but but but you know, did you have sex with an alien? Because you're a smart guy. Let me tell you, you're a very smart guy. You know, you know how to dig dig into people's mind. And and as much as I like you, I like I hate that about you because he put me on the spot right now. But he's a very smart guy. But no, no, I I can't I can't go too deep into this. Listen, if I was on an alien spacecraft and I had sex with an alien like I'm assuming you did. I I feel like I would just come out and talk about it. I don't know why you would hold that back. No, but I mean I never had something happened, George. I don't know. It's either it's either I'm crazy or or or uh maybe it really happened. But I I hope that I'm crazy. I don't think you're crazy. I hope I am. I could be pretty crazy. You know, some people that some great mind, you know, they they've been hallucinating stuff. Some people are are how do you say maniac depressive? Some people are are OCD. Some people are this. Some people are that. And they're still they've been able to achieve great stuff in their life, you know. So maybe I'm crazy. Who knows? I don't know. I hope I hope I'm crazy. Well, are these experiences I can help you in one way. Are these experiences happening at night? I I I am not sure. I have not I'm not sure. Have any of these experiences happen while you've been in a dream state or where you just been dreaming or just asleep and you were woken up? I I am not sure that I had exper I don't know. I don't remember anything. But it was there was nighttime type things. Was it night time when you think you might have had something happen to you? Uh, I I I can't say something happened to me. I have no proof. I I just don't know. What I'm going to tell you about is your brain produces a chemical while you're sleeping. But I'm I'm going to tell you something and I'm going to be honest about it. Sometime I'm I'm looking at the clock and it's like I wake up and I look at the clock right after a and it's like the clock advance like a 4 hour or 2 hours. There's a time zone that I don't remember what happened. It's called falling asleep. I hope so. What do you
think? You think you're getting snatched up and taken away for a couple hours? No, I think I'm maybe I fall asleep. That's why I hoped. That's why I hope. Um or I can drive. I can drive my car. I can drive my car. And it already happened. I drove I drove my car while you were sleeping. No, no, no. I drove my car in a normal day like going somewhere. Then I look and it's 2 hour pass. I'm like 2 hour I just pass like this like maybe maybe I I didn't see maybe I didn't I didn't I I didn't I maybe I watched the time the wrong time like I watched my clock and I made a mistake myself. Right. Most likely. Right. Yes. Of course. I hope so. Well, that's very minor stuff. That's very minor stuff. Yeah. Um but that could be you being tired cuz you push yourself and a lot of stress. It's exactly that's exactly what I hope so. It's exactly what I hope so. But you don't have any memories of great dudes putting fingers up your butt. No, I don't. None of that. I've had it where you're driving down the street like on the highway and you're just like kind of dazed out and you're like, "Wait, how long I've been I've been dazed out for like like 20 minutes. What have I been doing for 20 minutes?" You could totally go on autopilot. Yeah. And then like you just realize like all of a sudden you're home. But um the the thing about being exhausted and sleep, you know, having these experiences at night, the there's a chemical your brain makes that's uh one of the most powerful psychedelic drugs known to man. So one of the things they're trying to connect, it's called DMT. One of the things they're trying to connect is um people having near-death experiences and people that have had UFO, alien abduction type experiences and this chemical and that they can introduce this chemical into the human body. And these people have very similar experiences to what they had when they had a UFO encounter or when they had, you know, a white light near-death experience encounter. And it's most likely there's this chemical that's doing this. So when people are having these experiences and they're very realistic and they do believe they're being taken aboard by you know a UFO somewhere they might not be wrong but this is not a UFO encounter UFO it's unidentified flying a jet object this
the encounter you talk about that if they've been taking a board this is this is different it's like it could be a third type encounter there's many ways but this is different yeah but I the you talk about me I I don't have any I don't have any memory of such thing. But the thing I don't like I have like you say sometime I fall I fall asleep then I wake up is the the time pass and I'm like well you know it's like I but that's just cuz you're tired man that's not aliens. Yeah. No no it's but are you worried you like man how maybe it's aliens what you No it's because I I'm I feel like I didn't fall I don't fall asleep and I'm not tired. I'm wide awake awake but I fall asleep like this and it's kind of I mean it's kind of weird. Are these on hard sparring days? No. No, just a normal day. It could happen every day. You should get a GoPro, like a camera, and just record yourself all the time. And then when you ever think that happens, watch it. I mean, those things record for like eight hours at a time, some of them. Yeah. How long has this been going on? Since I'm a kid. Wow. Wow. Wouldn't it be crazy if uh the the aliens like manufactured you to be a mixed martial arts fighter? They're like, "Let's see if we could just turn this." I'm sure I'm sure if it would have happened, I would have been much better than than than this. Much better than this. You're the [ __ ] champion. Yeah, but if I would be alien manufacturer, I would be Superman, you know? Well, they just won't want to get ridiculous with it. Has to be realistic. It would be Yeah, that would be obvious. Like, you can't turn a guy into a goddamn superhero. Maybe they manufacture Anderson Silva, John Jones, maybe they did. Maybe someone needs to talk to them about their sleep patterns. Maybe they're falling asleep behind the wheel, too, and being sucked aboard a spaceship for repairs. Maybe they they don't want to talk about. Maybe they don't say, but maybe they are. I know. I don't know. I don't I'm there pretending. I think it's funny though that that's maybe one subject that you uh you you have a you had a really hard time talking about that. I do because it's it's sounds crazy. Yes. And and I will talk about it one day. I'm going to talk about my fear, my all that stuff and uh but no now I I don't get deep
into this. Yeah, maybe they're just But I promise one day I'll I'll I'll talk about stuff, but it's not what you promise one day. Yeah, I promise one day. What's that? What is There is no tomorrow. Didn't you see Rocky 3 when Apollo Creed says that to Rocky Balo? True. It's true. Like you said, maybe maybe I'll die one day. Maybe I'll die tomorrow. I hope I touch wood nut. And people, oh, and I'm like, how did you say that? Was that French? I touch wood nut. Is that what you like? I touch the the wood like you say you don't you don't want it happen, you know? Yeah, man. Just let it go. Just whatever information you got, spill it. No, but I don't know. I'm doing my I'm doing my own research. I'm researching on myself. Like you say, that's the thing that you just told me is very interesting. The chemical that body produc that's that's that I'm happy that I meet you today and you tell that about me because it make me make me happy, you know. Yeah. It'll make you think like I think a lot of people think they're going crazy and it's not. It's just your brain makes psychedelic drugs. your brain produces and parts your liver and your lungs. They don't know why this stuff is in the body, but it's it's a super potent psychedelic. Your brain makes it and it happens when you're sleeping. So if like the speculation is that it happens during REM sleep, I don't think they have the most accurate me way of measuring it, but they know it's in the body and they believe it's the the theory is that it comes out during periods of heavy stress or when your body thinks it's going to die or in REM sleep and that those are the times that you have higher levels of this stuff in your, you know, neurochemical soup. That's interesting. I It's crazy. Why would your brain Why would your brain produce an incredibly potent psychedelic drug? So, a lot of people that are having these nighttime experiences could be just varying levels of uh this chemical that's uh going around in your brain, but that doesn't mean that these experiences aren't real. We don't know what the [ __ ] sleeping is anyway. I mean, what is sleeping? You shut your eyes, you shut off. You don't exist in this plane and your consciousness goes somewhere else. Like,
literally, you have no memory of a a giant chunk of your day and we have no problem with it. And yet we don't connect it to any other realm or the idea of there being other dimensions. You go into another dimension when you go to sleep. Okay? You do. You just shut off. You stop. And for all intents and purposes, you are in another dimension. And if while you're in that other dimension, your brain is being pumped with this psychedelic chemical that when you take it, when you're sober, makes you have these incredible experiences, it only seems to it just seems like a normal thing to look into. Like people would should be looking into that. Like what what is what is happening when you're sleeping? You're sleep. You go away and everybody's just so used to it. They're like, "No big deal. We just go away. Just go away for eight hours a day." You know, everybody's scared to die and no one's scared to fall asleep. You're just you're shutting off, man. You know, you're going to be back, so you're not worried. But you're shutting off. Whatever that is, you know, is just accepted. If sleeping didn't exist, it would be the craziest [ __ ] thing. If all of a sudden you told people that they had to shut off for eight hours a night and just completely not be a they'd be like, "What are you talking about? I got to shut off." They'd like, "Yeah, you're going to shut off for eight hours a night and you're not going to know what's happening. People can touch your balls while you're sleeping. You'll have no way of stopping them. There's a lot of things that can happen." The the truth is, like you said, we don't know. We don't know. We don't know what the [ __ ] that is. I could I could like, you know, like you say, it's not that I'm afraid to be crazy. It's just I I can say whatever the hell I want and we don't know, baby. You know what I mean? We don't know. We don't know the truth. We have no idea. Yeah. Somebody might be stealing time from you. They might be stealing time. They're like, "This motherfucker's got too much time." I I the the truth is I feel like I had experience, but I don't know what it is. So, for me to say it's alien or say it's the drug chemical you talk about. I don't know. I can't I can't tell you right now. I don't know what it is. But I did I felt like it
could have been an experience or not. Maybe I felt maybe I'm crazy and it's a normal thing that everybody go like maybe I but right now I uh like I don't know it's too I'm making my own research to to find out about that. How are you researching? Well, I I research a lot of stuff uh documentaries and things and uh go on the internet. No, it's another thing that you just said to me. I'm going to research that. Maybe I research on the wrong Maybe I research things that people have have tried because that lap lapse of time that you don't remember they've been some people been hypnotized and they had a bad uh bad you know what I mean bad adventure and I don't want to be inaptized well it's very controversial you know the what's happening during hypnosis hypnotic regression it's very controversial because there's a lot of people that believe that you can introduce fake memories into a person while they're unconscious and then you could you know you you you could steer the events in one way or another and introduce false memories. It's not it's not very it's not very reliable, I don't think. So, that's one of the big things about these people that have these crazy stories from hypnotic regression like what the [ __ ] is really going on? You know, you don't know. A lot of times people that are in therapy in the first place are a little wound up. Of course. So, it's that those are the type of people that you're you're dealing with, you're hypnotizing them and then you're finding out about these nutty experiences with aliens. who knows what the [ __ ] you're really but I'm gonna tell you it's like so used to say you take a fish in the water okay and the fish is live is in in in his environment let's say a fisherman he grab a fish in the water he pulls it off the water look at him look make the fish look around and drop the fish back in the water the fish after he's going to go back to his friend and he's going to tell the other fish man I been pulled out of the water and and and it was people were breeding air. It was another environment. I saw a human being pul, you know, like a man grabbing me. I saw trees. I saw a bird in the sky. I saw a like like a son. I'm like I see a different thing in different universe. And then he put me back. The other fish will think he's completely insane, you
know, and it's normal. So maybe in a way we're all like fish and and maybe there is something like you you said that like when you sleep another universe or another well or something and we don't know and we're right next to it but we don't know and if uh that's why I'm doing research. I want to see, you know, I want to grow as a human being, find what what's the truth, even though I probably will never find out the truth. Uh, but I want to get closer closer and find my own research, see what what's happening, you know, and we're all in the same pattern, you know. You know what? I think the problem with find people wanting to find the truth is there is no truth. There are truths. I think there is no one truth. And everyone is like, "Someday I hope to find the truth." Like, what are you talking about? It's not one thing. There's truths. There's a lot of information. There's a lot of stuff. To call it the truth, like to figure out the whole big thing, it's almost impossible for our brains to to grasp. Like an ant doesn't know what a a cell phone tower is. It's it's almost impossible for our brains to grasp the enormity of, you know, going from protons and cells and an animal and a planet and a galaxy and a universe and multiple universes. And it's not it's too much. There's there's no way you're going to be able to take all the things that are going in all over the world and understand it all and understand the pieces that it falls into. It's not possible. So this whole thing where I was like, I'm going to, you know, hopefully I'll find the truth. You will find truths. You will never find the truth because you're a a monkey. Yeah. Well, we're not we're probably not we're not smart enough. We're not the Yeah. Understand what you say. where we are we're being birthed into a a whole new universe of information that's never existed for any previous human beings. And we're not designed for it. We're not designed to process this. We're designed to figure out where the deer are going. We're designed to figure out who do you want to [ __ ] We're designed to think this guy, he's probably going to take over my village, this [ __ ] And that's how we're designed. And then within the last 10,000 years that has become, you know,
watching like space documentaries and getting on the internet and it's too much. There's no there's no way there's no way you know exactly what's going on all over the world. You you'll go crazy. Yeah. You don't have the time. It will take a lot of time and still Yeah. to acclimate. Yeah. I I agree 100% with that. Have you heard of like a lot of these guys like Dan Hardy did this going to Peru and they take these iawaska ceremonies? Did you hear about that? No. He didn't hear about that. Um Dan Hardy did it. I can't wait to get him on the podcast and talk to him about it. But he said it changed his whole life and it's the same thing. It's DMT. It's these Amazon Indians. They they make it in a a brew and the active ingredient is in this brew is DMT. And they have these ceremonies and they all uh get together and uh they'll play music and this guy like blows tobacco smoke in your face and you drink this stuff and an hour and 20 minutes later they enter into the spirit world. Have lifech changing visions. The wildest physical manifestations of your imagination you could ever possibly think of and dream of. You can't even think about it. You can't you can't even put into words. And it's legal in Peru. You know, it's legal in parts of South America. So people are going down there, these Americans are going down there on a regular basis and having these shamanic rituals, life-changing rituals and it's all based on the same thing that comes out of your brain when you're dreaming. Yeah. Pretty nutty. Yeah. You can it could make you realize things like you say learn about yourself, you know. Do you meditate? I would not say meditate. I would say visualizing. Yes. Visualizing. So with specific tasks in mind like like visualizing fight strategies and fights visualizing what I want in my life uh what you know where I wanted to be in 20 years I've tried to visualize where I could be and what I want you know could be about fight could be about uh anything could be about uh my training and one hour where what I'm going to do and you know about everything could be in business you know could be when I'm going to meet uh someone what I'm going to say or you could be about everything. Do you have very specific like goals like for your
life? Do you have like things written down? Yes, I do. Do you write them down? Yeah, I have goals. Yeah, some some I wrote it down, some I don't. But yeah, I do. I do have a specific goal. I have goals for my camera, but I have bigger goal than this. Much bigger much bigger goal than your like for example, are you going to be president of the world? No, no, but I want to be for for example, one of my goals like like is to have a to be married, have a wife with uh at least five kids. Four or five kids minimum. Wow. Want to have a lot of kids. That's one of my goal, you know. That's my goal. And and that's I'm not there yet, but it's one of my goal, you know. I don't think you're going to have a problem finding a nice lady. Find a nice lady that I can get along with. That's uh uh Well, I think you better have a lot of kids. Look up in Canada. Japan. That's where you need to stay. Don't be trying to get these American chicks. They'll get mouthy, especially after you retire. Oh, look at you all retired and [ __ ] getting That's so funny. Do you um do you have like a clear timeline as to when you're you're going to discontinue your fighting career? No, I don't. I don't. I just I didn't I didn't plan this. Now I'm focusing on my career right now and and uh wanted to to be the best at what I do and I want to uh make the be the guy that made the difference in the sport, you know, bring help the sport, the UFC grow and be more mainstream everywhere. Well, you've already done that just by being who you are, you know, by your your personality, you know, your your ability to just be a normal guy who just so happens to be one of the baddest [ __ ] on the planet. Yeah. But, you know, I it still is a lot of a lot of thing to do, you know, in some country that it's illegal, you know, and want to Sure. There's still a lot of work to do as far as the spread of MMA. Not just some countries, some states. It's still illegal in New York State. Well, when I when I first started, yeah, and where I'm from, my country, it was illegal in Canada, you know, they it was not sanctioned and everything. So, this I'm happy. At least where I live now, it's it's good and it's very popular. Yeah. I I watched your first fights, man. I watched you in
the TKO organization. Yeah. Yeah. I watch all those. You know, it's uh I've always been a big big fan of uh MMA and I think that it's it's so important that there's all these other organizations going on like you know like the that MFC up in Canada and it used to be Strike Force and you know now this Bellator is doing really well. It's like so important to have a bunch of different outlets for guys to pursue their careers but up in Canada it was just like that TKO organization, right? And couple more. Yeah, it was pretty much only the TKO. You guys fought in a ring? Yeah, it was in a ring back then. Yeah. Yeah. What do you do? Some guys prefer the ring. What do you prefer? No, the cage. The cage. Yeah, the ring. It's It's not the environment. Uh the cage is better. Or I would rather do like Yeah, the cage is perfect. A circular like octagon or circular cage or even better than a ring that would be like a a platform where where there is no walls. There is a like a like a a line a line. No, no, you don't fall, but there is a line and if you step across a line, they put you they put you back. But there is a a line and then there is a a bigger so you don't fall but it's a platform and you know I see what you're saying. They have that in the the super league a little bit but like wrestling like sumo. Yeah. Yeah. Kind of sumo. Yeah, exactly. I think that would be good to Yeah, that's not a bad idea. It's just a space consideration probably. Exact. Yeah. No, for sure. Exactly. They didn't want some Brock Lesnar dude just steamrolling someone right into the crowd. It's true. No, no, that would be that would be alore, but but something I think like that or you know I I think they got you know the the cage is pretty good. You know, it's a good surface. Yeah. The only um objection that people have as fans is sometimes it makes the action a little harder to see if you're there. You know, watching it at home, it's perfect. I'm sure they could make um a material which is like a a window that could see through it like a plastic window which is all greasy and [ __ ] every time dudes would be like like what if that Daniel Cormier Frank Mir fight happened the whole thing would be just grease you wouldn't be able to see [ __ ] because they those guys pressed up against every spot on that cage but it's
also girl MMA now and it could be like a car wash like a girl MMA car wash it's true but they I'm sure there is There's a lot of thing I would have changed in the sport. First of all, the time is no time, no round, right? I think it's I think seriously I I believe it's stupid the round. We want to see who's the best man. Let them fight, you know, 15 minutes or maybe 25 minutes for the championship. No round. Why the round? Why would we try to be like boxing? You know, we're not boxers. They did they did round to be like boxing to be accepted as a a sport. Yeah, there would probably be a lot more finishes if there was no no time. Yeah, of course. 100% no round, you know, like that. This is ridiculous. I mean, I like it. Me me seriously. Do you think it's possible that the UFC would you would you fight someone like that? Like 100%. Would you arrange that like as a particular rule? Like maybe the UFC could do it in Russia or somewhere where they're gangster about it. Yeah, I would I would I would rather like I would rather fight in a rule like this. I think it would be more honest like who's the better man? Let them fight, you know. See, that could have happened in Pride. They did that in Pride, right? with didn't hoist Gracie have a 90-minute match with Sakuraba but I think that was like even then it was like that's that's when they used to be the real thing you know back in the day that's why I have so much respect for this guy Coleman Dan so yeah this guy the pioneer you know oh yeah the no time limit pioneer Howard with his tank top with those crazy glasses Joe who else did you know Joan became like a Freddish [ __ ] He's in jail for gang rape. Oh my god. Really? Yeah. Joe Sando was a part of a gang rape. Are you serious? Yeah. Apparently they arrested him for something else and got his DNA and connected it to a gang rape from years by. Yeah. I'm wondering what happened to like some of the other guy like Harold Hour. I think he got arrested. He's a Canadian. When I watch I was happy, you know, he's Canadian guy. I was like, "Yeah, let's kick ass." You know, everybody threw that crazy cartwheel kick. Yeah. On Steve Jennum. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was good. That was a good fight, you know. Yeah. It was good, man. He was How about the boxer Emerson with
one gloves, you know? Yeah. Yeah. What was it? Jimmerson. R Jimmerson. Yes. Yes. Yeah. What was that about? Probably maybe he had a hurt hand or something. No, I think he was thinking more like he's going to grab with one hand and swing with the other one. I don't know. Like, who knows? Go through their mind. But it was awesome back then. It was a real thing. It was it was the time where I literally watched the fight back in the day and thought someone could die. You you you needed to have so much courage back in the day to step into the the act much more than nowadays. Nowadays, you know, okay, before it's no weight class, nothing. It was like unknown. It was unknown. I remember I fight like Norris uh against Pat Smith. Man, that guy had a like a a you know like like a blood everywhere before they stopped the fight. Then you see a towel flying and he still didn't stop the fight. I'm like this is one time you this is the the guy is the pioneer. You know these guy they were the real tough guy. You know what I mean? Yeah. There was no referee stopping. Yeah. No referee, no round, no athletic commission, no awake glass, no this, no that, no a fights where fights get stopped quickly. Does that piss you off? Well, you know, it's to protect the uh you know, the referee can make a mistake sometime and it piss me off. Yeah, it's sad to see when is a mistake done. I think they they try to to be the best they could be, but like the I can't believe the the round I don't I don't think ground is good idea. That's my opinion. Just just round it. Round is a bad idea. Yeah. What about gloves? Some people think there should be no gloves. Some people think if you can knee a guy and elbow a guy and kick a guy like why do you have covers on your knuckles? That's true. Could be an option. No glove but it would be a lot of broken hand. But the problem is they would fight differently. Like back in the day in pation I I wrote stuff that they used to hit a lot with the the the smash the hand you know. Yeah. Well if you you know if you watch the old boss root days in in pancra he uh figured out that he could throw punches with he pulls his hand way back. So instead of like slapping and like karate chop style, he was throwing punches, but he
was doing it with his palm. Yeah. But the thing is, we wouldn't fight the same way we would fight now to preserve our body. Like like when I fought Nick, I was in he was in turtle position. I was punching like if I would be bare hand, I would hit with my palm. You know what I mean? I wouldn't hit like the same way. I would have probably broke my hand or, you know, I never had my hand broken, you know? I'm I'm lucky, you know. But uh you know I would fight different different different way. It would make it better also for the all the grappling aspect. Big fan of Brazil jiu-jitsu and and wrestling is that would be better. It would be more realistic. I mean I don't really understand why they have a pad on the gloves. I mean I think it's uh 100% 100%. If you don't have pads on your shins and you're kicking people in the face like come on. That's crazy. Like you got to pad little knuckles and yeah you can cut people more but it also breaks your hand more. It's just it's if you want if the sport if you're trying to have it be realistic, it's almost like bad to allow people to wear gloves because it allows them to tee off and punch as hard as they can without worry about breaking your hands. 100% 100%. It's true. It's true. And I, you know, and you know, you could break your hand, but you know, you hit a guy with a good punch on the jaw, you know, burn knuckle, I don't think it will break your hand, you know. Who's doing karate, you know, Kush, they, you know, well, people are also um, you know, would punch much harder. Of course, because the tape is I don't think it's the the GL. I think it's the tape that hold the wrist. So, there is no movement on the wrist and everything. All the impact makes it harder is more. Yes, definitely. That's why I believe, you know. Yeah. I think the hand wrap definitely aids the person who's punching. Yes. Um but you also would be really cognizant of only punching with the first two knuckles, you know, cuz in boxing, you know, you're to you're taught to punch and concentrate on those knuckles, but in real reality, a lot of times when you're throwing combinations, you're hitting them with all parts of your hand. Whereas you're taught in karate the idea of punching, you know, like a makiara over and over and over again. It's to toughen these two
knuckles. Jack Dempsey says is the third knuckle. The third knuckle. Yes. used to punch with a third knuckle and he was known for punching power. Yeah, he could punch very hard Jack Dempsey. So he says it's the third knuckle because he said the alignment of the body is better with a turn knuckle. H that's interesting. So maybe Well, I would never argue with Jack Dempsey, but most people believe that it's the first two. No, no, I know again Karati same thing they teach. But Jack Dempsey strangely says the third knuckle in the book. He says that that guy was a [ __ ] savage, huh? Yeah, he was like watch those old old school fights and he was fighting dudes much bigger than him. He was only about a buck 90. I think he was like 196 or something like that when he was the the heavyweight champion. Mhm. He was [ __ ] up those You know what? I might be wrong. I think actually Jack Dempsey was even lighter than that. I think Jack Dempsey Hold on a second. Let me pull it up. I don't even think he was 196. Rocky Marciano, which is really Marciano was 175. Yeah. What the [ __ ] man? There's certain dudes like that that just just can hit so [ __ ] hard. Yeah, but their opponent their their opponent was not as big as well, you know? Now, now now we're like month like look at Klitschko, you know. It's crazy, you know. Yeah, it doesn't say his weight on his Wikipedia says his uh he was 6'1. Mariano or Dempsey. Marciano was like 175 180. Marciano was Yeah. I thought he was 1805. Marciano, I remember I read it was a 180. I don't think he was. Dempsey was 192. That's crazy. Yeah. It's like my size. It's my size fighting heavyweight guy like Brock Lesnar. Holy shoot. But they they they had those little tiny ass gloves back then. True. They just little a little cover over the knuckles. Very little padding at all. And it was probably just like a little horsehair in there as well. Wild. Wild. Do you pay attention to like uh old videos of like uh old fights? Do you ever watch like uh old boxing matches and and and see like like what guys like Dempsey had to go through? What guys like Jack Johnson had to go through? I watch a lot of stuff, you know, like what I've been watching uh on the internet recent recently is a lot of a lot of karate k stuff. I'm really I'm
really intriguing to know. Really? Yeah. Like the the point karate guys. I think it's very underrated. Oh yeah. like like a lot of very good fighters. They they come from that and I think it it translate to MMA very very well. Absolutely. Mariano was 188 apparently. Um the the the ability to move in and out like really quickly. Have you ever fought a Have you fought in point tournaments before? I did. Yeah. It's very frustrating. I'm from Kyoko Karate. It's not the same system, but I did point karate before. Yeah. I fought only a few point karate tournaments, but I found them um I fought some fought one really high level guy and uh who's like he wins a lot of those point tournaments. It was so different from Taekwondo being like continuous fighting to this being like stop, you know, it's like and it was really hard to fight that way if you're not used to it. And I would just imagine the guy who's really good at lunging in and out like that. If you could teach them all the other aspects of MMA, that would be a big advantage. That's what I use for my takedown. The shoot that people is your wrestling has nothing to do with my wrestling. My wrestling is once I get the leg, I finish the takedown. But how do I how I get in and out is because of kerati. People are like no way kerati. No. And yes, karate that allowed me to cut the distance and take the people down. I have a very good single to double or very good double and very good penetration. It's because of my leg. The way I do and this timing I get it from the karate. Wow. Oh yeah, that's I wrestling too but karate primary because before I I I started wrestling I was karate guy pure and I I just acclimate myself very well to wrestling and to wrestling for especially for the mixed martial art. Wow, that's really interesting because I've always said that one of your the best things about you is the your ability to close the distance. Yeah, it's karate. This is Yeah, totally makes sense. Yeah, all my footwork pattern and everything is from karate. This is this what I get it from. springing in like that, you know, the ability to cover that distance, that's a huge advantage. Cover the distance and to not get hit. This is very important, right? Yeah. And that is one of the cornerstones of those tournaments and
and and that style. Did you um have a hard time when you made the transition to Muay Thai and MMA style? Yeah, today today even my kicks are I'm more like karate guy, you know? I don't I do Muay Thai but I my kick you know it's like printed inside of my it's hard to say like you're a taekwondo guy you you can kick but you will stay taekwond do like and you know it's fine too you know it's the the best like I believe taekwondo is the best spinning back kick you have the best spinning back kick I ever seen in my entire life you know you're from taekwond do you know what I mean and is your background and and you try to change your technique of your spinning back kick it will be the worst thing you could do you know what I mean so I I try to learn to add stuff to Mars, but I don't try to change my my thing. You know what I mean? Right. Right. Yeah. I um I still incorporate a lot of those techniques, but I do more just regular Muay Thai now than anything else because I think all those techniques like the spinning back kick and wheel kick. For a guy like you that has like a strong karate background or a guy who picks things up really quickly, that's, you know, those are good techniques to learn. But like for everyday use, it's hard to pull those things off unless you're doing it on a regular basis. Like they become normal when you're fighting in taekwondo tournaments and everybody's doing it. You're doing it every day. But in MMA, there's so many other [ __ ] things like to to have the the type of leg dexterity that you see like the top level taekwondo guys have. It's be so hard to have that along with wrestling, along with boxing, along with jiu-jitsu. How do you manage like all your different skill sets? Do do you have like uh 20% of your time goes to this, 30% goes to that? Like No, no, no. It depend. Uh like for examp like like I give you an example right now um last week I was doing for the the the movie Captain America the filming then now I'm doing the interview but every day I find time I go to Freddy Roach work on my boxing and this period of my like this time is on my boxing pretty much and when I'm going to go to New York for example because I have to go to New York for the the book promo and stuff I'm going to do my jiu-jitsu with John Der I'm going to be doing jiu-jitsu jitsu
when I go back in Montreal mixed up everything, you know, but when I go to different places, I go uh you know, I do my my like uh specific things. And this is in between fights. So, you don't have a fight scheduled. So, now you're just in the skill development phase. Is that what it is? Yeah. And that's when my training is fun because I I I train for myself to get better and I try stuff. Like now you see me if I go roll with my friend like at this academy, I roll. But I try stuff that I would maybe not have the the guts to try normal time because it's risky. So So I try it. Oh, I get tap and you know I tap and I laugh. Who cares? I tap. I don't I don't care. Sometime I tap him, sometime I get tap. But but when I train for a training camp now I train for performance. So I have to perform. I cannot be beaten in in training otherwise my confidence will be affected. So I try to perform. So that's when my training is not as fun as it is now. Right. Yeah. The ability to loosen up in training is is very important when you're in the learning phase, right? Yes. Yes. That's how you develop new techniques. And there that is a ego issue, too. Like with guys who uh are not that good at jiu-jitsu, like you see it a lot like maybe like strikers. They don't want to roll because they don't like getting tapped. That's stupid. That doesn't mean anything you tap. It doesn't mean you're not as good as the other guy. Does mean you play that game and you just got cut and then so what? You know, so what? I got tapped all the time. I don't give a damn. You know, it's a fascinating aspect of jiu-jitsu though that doesn't exist in other martial arts. You know, like if you kickbox and spar a guy, it's not is you know. Yeah. It's like you don't want to be knocked out. But I mean, it would be the same thing in a way. Let's say you you're a jiu-jitsu guy and you do kickboxing with a guy, but a guy will not knock you out. You will will let's say will do a combo that you will be like you would know like oh that right hand would have knocked me out. If you know it's same jiu-jitsu, oh I would tap otherwise he would have break my arm. You know little bit same thing. We don't hurt each other. In jitsu, you can allow to go further without hurting each other. And in kickboxing, for example, where it's striking, it can be brain
damage. Yeah, that's the hardest. Is it or I should ask you, is that the hardest place to find guys that you're comfortable training with? Is it in striking? So, you know that they're not trying to knock you out. You know, you like every day in the gym isn't a war. Different. I got to tell you is I have many time people try to hurt me and I try to hurt them, you know, like I have no choice, you know. I mean, you know, when I first, you know, now it's different because of the notoriity I have. I can find place how I can go and I mean, training, it's training, you know, we still go hard. There is a a smart way to train. Of course, I don't try to hurt myself when I train and try to hurt uh people, you know, but of course, let's say I'm I'm training for a fight before a fight and we spar hard. If the guy you see you hurt the guy, you let him breed, you don't go for the finish. But the thing is, for example, kick to the head. We control the kick to the head, the things like that, you know. We don't do knees on to the head, the elbow, stuff like that. We don't do that. That and and this is important to have good training partner like that, you know, cuz sometime you train with someone who's crazy. He's going, you're you're getting ready for a fight, it's a lot of money on the table, he's going to throw true. Yeah. Cut you or like things like that you don't need, you know, to make a name for himself. So now when I'm people ask me, hey, why you don't go train in my gym? And it's because sometime I because I go train in the gym, they know who I am. I'm George Sier and they go, oh, I'm going to try to hurt him to make a name for myself and that sucks. You know, this I don't like it. So they're very careful with why I train now. It's that's a bad side of it because they they a lot of people try to take they make the name, you know, and I I don't like it, you know. I'm I like to train with different trade partner, new guys, but now I have to be careful to do it. I cannot do it, you know. I have to, you know, I have to know where I'm going with tell the guy tell me, "Oh, this guy can go with him. He's he's good." You know, I don't care that get tapped out or be dominated. That's not what I care. It's scare of being hurt, you know, or injured, not be able to to work, you know? It's a lot of money when I have a
fight I have to cancel. It sucks. Yeah, there's always accidental injuries, but there's the injuries where you know a guy's trying to hurt you because he's trying to That's got to be really annoying. M there is guys that how do you say they they always hurt people and oh no I didn't mean it but like why it always happened to you man why I always happen to I've got guy in the gym in Montreal is like when I bring my training partner here for for let's say I bring guys to train uh from like my last training camp bring guys to train uh for my training camp to mimic Nickias I told these guys I listen there is this guy this guy you're not going to train with him because he's like and and they're all like, "Hey, why? Why? Why?" It's like, "Because when every time someone train with you, you happen an injury." He's like, "Yeah, but I don't mean it." You don't mean it, but it's still happening, man. It's like it's it's how you are, man. I've seen guys kicked out of gyms for that. Of course. Of course. But some guy it's intentional. So guy, it's not intentional. But even if it's not intentional, you don't want to take that chance to do it. You know what I mean? I don't hurt people when me when I train. Find me a guy that I hurt in training. It could have happened accidentally once in a while. Very rare. It's very rare I hurt people, you know? very very rare. I could if I wanted to. I could, but I don't hear I don't hurt I don't hear hurt the people, you know. Yeah. You're there to train. You didn't. Yes. Of course. Of course. Yeah. There's uh there's a couple guys that I know that just people just won't train with. They Oh, he just they just walk away from get hurt. No thanks. But because you know, the minute you're going to train with them, it's going to be a fight. You know, it's going to be like a real fight. And I and I'm and you know I don't want I fight and I'm paid to fight and and I don't want to hurt myself in real life, you know, and I don't want to have to hurt some I don't want to put myself in this situation. You put together a great camp now though, man. You got you going to so many different great guys, John Donaher, who's uh one of the most underrated or underappreciated jiu-jitsu coaches in MMA in the world really. you know, with
if you look at uh all the different guys that get famous for coaching jiu-jitsu. Talked to a lot of people about John Donner and they all said the same thing like that guy's a bad [ __ ] Super smart, brilliant in the corner. Like I I love the advice he gives. He's always like on point, direct, accurate. He's probably the most like brilliant, educated man I ever met in my in my life. Yeah, he is brilliant. like a lot of people don't know, you know, I believe he is a philosophy major. Yeah, he's a bouncer. He's a he's a PhD in a philosophy. Used to teach philosophy in Colombia University and he was before he dropped before he dropped everything and and dedicated his life to jiu-jitsu. And he was bouncing at night in in a hip-hop club at Oh my god. In a hip-hop club. Can you believe it? And apparently he was like big on like weightlifting back then. Yeah, he was a bodybuilder. Bodybuilder. And then he starts doing jiu-jitsu and fell in love with it. That's amazing. Yeah. So, you go to him for your jiu-jitsu and Henzo as well, right? You go to Henzo's. Yes, I go to Henzo. That's where you travel a lot of gyms. Yeah. But I travel It's a good thing because I have places that no matter like I come to LA often for business stuff. But when I come to LA, I have the place where I can train in LA, you know. I'm very happy. I have place where I can train in New York. I go to New York a lot and and Montreal, of course, France and Paperry, France, you know, and and it's it's important, you know. So, everywhere I go, I have like a second home where I'm I can go train there and get better. That was hilarious when you brought that uh French dude with you on the Ultimate Fighter. And he showed up hammered. What is his name again? John Jean Charleski. Yeah, he very good Muay Thai guy. Very famous Muay Thai uh kickboxer. And he would been partying all night and show up to the gym with one of them club cups, a plastic cup, and there was [ __ ] alcohol in it. Like he's out of his mind. He shows up, he was drunk and high from the party. Like he haven't sleep for more than like 36 hours, you know, that flight to Paris. Then I thought I made the training when he arrived. I I made on purpose. I I made I organized a
training for him to come teach the afternoon class, the late afternoon, not the morning class because I I was thinking, "Oh, he's going to sleep." No. Y from Paris the night before. Went out all night. Went and then after party went and after after party and arrived straight to training, didn't even go to his hotel room and train and kick everyone's ass. And Muai, everybody was like, "What the hell is this?" And and even when they when he left because he stayed for like a week when he left the producer of the of the Ultimate Fighter came to see me. George George we need to get this guy. We need to keep this guy here. We need it was it was good TV, you know. I was like no no he's leaving. He has to go back. It was making me look bad sometime, you know. Man, it was like it was like giving I know like and he's not an imposing looking guy which is amazing when you look at him. He's not like a scary looking but he doesn't know anything about MMA. He does the thing. He has no idea who was Chuck Ladell who was Anderson. He had no idea. He came in the room and he saw those pictures like who's these guys are you know like he knows all those like famous Muay Thai guy but MMA doesn't know anything about it. Yeah, he fights ties like he's he fights in Lumpini Stadium and yeah, he fought Buao the guy he s he cut Buao with a spinning elbow in the head, you know, like he lost that fight but he took that fight on a short notice like like a few days notice and he was underweight. Wow. He was he had to gain weight for the the the the weight class. The weight class. He doesn't care. He has like he has like courage like crazy. Wow. It's weird because you look at the guy, you would never think that guy's a fighter. Oh, it's amazing. Amazing. this character. We're surrounded by a lot of character and kickboxing is much more famous in Europe than it is in America, isn't it? True. I believe the level is is higher in Europe. Yeah. Apparently the glory though, they're going to start to bring glory to someone. Um I think they're going to bring it to Frank Shamrock said they're going to bring it to CBS Sports. Uh, I don't know what channel that is, you know, which which, you know, I know I think CBS has like a bunch of different channels that they own, but if they start airing those like
highlevel, you know, like uh Gokansi and Daniel Gita and all these like highle heavyweight guys, that's some wild [ __ ] to watch. It's true. It's true. It's uh it's going to be interesting, you know, bring that here. Yeah. It's so funny how like the difference in just like a pure straight up kickboxing match, you know, when guys have no worries about being taken down, you know, and when people say, "Oh, like the level of kickboxing in MMA is not as high as the level of kickboxing." It's a different distance. It's different. You cannot compare. It's different stance. Look at Leto Varin got knocked out by the what is it? Antonio Bigfoot. Yeah, Silva. But he's a K1 champion. You know, it's because it's not the same thing. It's not the same thing. I mean I mean it's easy to adapt when you're a higher level K1 guy to adapt to MMA timing, but there the timing is different. I think Alistar had some issues going into that fight. Oh, it could it could be too. Like I don't know the inside of it, but I'm just thinking he's got a testosterone issue. He's got low testosterone because he you know he he tested high for testosterone like he had taken something and now he has low testosterone. Okay. But I mean like it's it's just an like an example. I don't know the the behind behind close or whatever. He just didn't look like he had a lot of energy and Bigfoot Silva waited until he got tired and just beat the [ __ ] out of him. That was uh that was a a brutal knockout, too. Yeah, I remember I was surprised to see that. I was like, "Oh my god, I was not expecting this." Bigfoot Silva looked awesome. That was an amazing combination, man. I mean, you know, whether uh Alistar was hurt or not, the combination he leveled him with was devastating. You know, it just I mean, he was keep it was like it was a lot like like remember Phil Baron and Dave Mané. Remember that knockout where Phil Baron had Dave Manet up against the cage? Oh, that was violent. Yes, it was not quite asang Oh, he hit him like four times before Manet can even drop. That was bad. Yeah. and Baron could [ __ ] hit and he's teeing off on him and literally he's keeping him standing with his punches. This Bigfoot one wasn't quite as devastating as that, but it was number two. Yeah, man. It was like
bouncing on the fence like bang bang bang bang bang. It was like the greatest punching highlight reel knockout ever. That Baron Manet fight. It's true. It was bad. It was bad. Some of the those knockouts you watch, you're like, "Ooh." Yeah. When um when you first lost your title to Matt Sarah, that was the first time that you Matt Matt uh No, no, Matt Sarah. Yeah, true. It's true. When you lost your title to Matt Sarah and you know and Matt Sarah stopped you, you know, that was was that like that had to be like the most devastating loss of your career, right? It was. But I learned something valuable that allowed me to survive to Carlos Comedit. What was that? When I got hit by Matser, the first punch, he he he uh I make me very dizzy and I was so proud. Like pride, it's a good thing, but it could be a bad thing. I was so proud. I'm I'm a very proud person. So, I got I got wibble you say in English, right? Wobble. I got I got wobble and instead of back off and say, "Oh, I'm going to go back to my sense." Why did I go go back to my equilibrium before reattacking? I got wobble and I got so angry. I was like, I can't believe this guy. Because back in the day, it was like five to 10 to1 the the odds. I was like, I can't believe I got wobble by a guy like this, you know, like like back in the day, like I was I was angry that I got wobble. I was proud guy. First time I ever happened in my life. So, I wanted to give it back to him as fast as I can. But Maser hit very hard. So, I was I was I I didn't have any equilibrium. I got a wobble with one shot. Then I tried to jump back into a war with him into a a slugfest with him while I was wobble and he wasn't. So I got punched like boom boom boom then he started tea off on me and then I fall down and I tap I know I was completely out. If I would have keep going I would be like you know I had you know I had to stop and thank God the referee stopped. But what happened with Kosetta? Same situation. I got kicked in the head. Then then instead of telling, "Oh, I need to give it back to him." I fall on the ground. I said, "You know what? Yes, I got caught." Then relax now. It's time to defense. Catch up your bread. Catch up your your senses. Bang, bang, bang. I focus on my defense, my shield. Close everything, every opportunity has to hurt me. And then I came back after. So
I step into my my uh my ego a little bit, tried to accept the fact that I got hit, relax, and then I came back later. That's a little bit of that's the experience that I gained from that loss with Matsero that allowed me to survive Carlos Condit. Oh, interesting. Because Carlos Kit dropped me with that that that kick. Matzero, the first time he cut me, I wobbled, but I didn't drop like I was I was on my feet, but I tried to get back right into a slugfest with him. instead of of backing up try to use my footwork get back to my senses and that's what happened I got cut you know sometime you learn during a loss and that's what happened to me by beating me he helped me become a better martial artist you know the uh kick that what what had you in more trouble the punch by Matt Sarah or the kick by Condid but the kick I believe with Condid was like harder was a bigger kick the the first punch if you look the punches of Sarah finished me because it was many punches and I I took many punch before I fall and I I when I fall I was too late. I was completely the dizzy you know but but I should have when I got punched and wobble because that's hit very hard and I never seen that punch coming. I should have stepped back and or hold him or go for you know instead of try to slugfest with him and cond when I got I got dropped I said to myself okay like don't go back into because I could go back try to go a single go back up right away I say okay use the guard up close everything and and you know because I was dizzy a little bit too you know I didn't see the kick coming at all I follow his body and his kick come on the side and and on the tempo he he bro he he damaged my uh tempo artery. Uh, by the way, it was a hard kick, man. It was It looked like a hard to go to Asp and get it fixed. You know, you have to go in 10 minutes. Is that what's going on here? Is that why you guys were having a [ __ ] conversation? What? What is it? What's going on? You have another interview, man. What kind of other interview you got? It's a boring ass [ __ ] is what you got. What do you got to do? It's another PR stuff for the book, I guess. Ah, the book. PR stuff. Um, so everybody wants And I need to go train, too. Jo, yeah. Where are you going to train tonight? Don't tell anybody, man. They're going
to go watch you. Ah, they have the security. Um, do you um like now that you you you just beat Diaz, there's a lot of people that are coming up in the 170b division, of course, Johnny Hendris is the the big name and Jake Ellenburgger and all these different guys. Do you at one point in time there's been a lot of talk uh at one point in time of you guys getting together and you and Anderson Silva meeting maybe at a catchweight or something like that and fighting in a s a super fight. Yeah. Is that question everybody asked me they asked me that even before I came back from my injury you know like they wanted me like I need to do stuff in my division before I think because it's new it has moved now. So I don't like I know Silva is fighting Chris Whiteman but I understand Silva is very big you know he's one he's 230 lb you know he's very big guy walk around very big and I'm 190 pound right and if he's a lot of weight different so you know if this fight happen one day we're going to have to to decide what weight class and you know everything but this is you know I'm try to see figure out what's going to happen what weight class and everything he says he can make 170 If you want make 170, I wait 170 and he come 170, he's fine. Do you think that's possible? He was fighting back in a day in Japan at 168. That was a long time ago. Yeah, but he was he was over 25 years old. Wow. So, you think he if he just did it slowly over a long time? Yeah. What's the biggest cut you've ever seen? The biggest weight cut I did or anybody that you've ever seen anybody do? I don't do much a lot of cut. It would be easier for me to go fight at 155 than fighting at 185. I would be more at my weight naturally that at a there's guy at 155 they walk around 190 like me. Yes, I've seen them. Yeah, because they they think I'm big because I have a large frame. But I I don't have a I'm not big guy. I very I'm not thick. I'm not thick, you know? But you know I uh we'll see this fight. Like I now he's fighting women and like Andrix is freaking out. He want to fight me. a little, you know, we'll see, you know, what's going to happen in the future. What do you think is next? Is it going to be the Hendrickx fight? That's not probably Probably Hrix, you know. Yeah, that's a
big fight. Yeah. But the thing is every like it's always going to be a guy that people say, "Oh, this guy going to beat you after you know who's we'll see what's going to happen." Yeah. No, it's a good fight. It's uh it's a fight that a lot of people want to see. And you you have a very talent stack division. you know, you at the top and look at how many uh great contenders there are at 170. Yeah. No, no, it's it's a tough it's a very tough division. What's it like walking around with that kind of stress? I mean, you got like a whole line of train killers that want to get to the champ, you know. Is that a difficult thing to manage? I'm not stressed. I try to take one fight at a time, you know, and uh focus on one guy at a time. I have no choice and I cannot split myself in half, you know. And for me, the last two fight were close to each other. And my second fight, the training camp, it was brutal like in a way that I didn't have mental break. Now I need to take a little break mentally to come back stronger after because otherwise I will I will get tired at what I do. I will not be as good as I I could I could be, you know. But you still train. You still constantly all the time. But I train for fun. I don't train for performance, which is different. Like I explained earlier, I train for myself. I'm having good time. It's fun. Now, while you're doing this, do you keep up with your jiu-jitsu at all or do you just do your boxing? No, no, no. I do jiu-jitsu, too. You do everything. Yeah. Yes. Very important. How many hours a day do you train? I depend. Like now I'm going to have only maybe one hour and a half. I'm going train at Freddy and and that's it. And then, you know, depend my schedule. Normally I train twice a week. Twice twice a day. Uh two three three hour maybe total like two training of an hour and a half. The training itself is maybe 40 45 minutes for 30 minute the training itself but the talking the this that the changing the show you know an hour and a half. Um now when you are you still doing gymnastics? Yes I do. How how often you do that? Once twice a week now. And you think that's like really responsible for uh a lot of like uh I like gymnastic and and track and field. I do track and field. I run track and track track too
like sprints and jumps and things like 60 60s and 400s and um you feel like that's the best kind of uh exercise for for MMA? Yeah, if I would have start all over again because back in the day I used to train like an idiot. I was doing bodybuilder and watching movies like you know Rocky and all this you know and Jean Vanam Arnold I thought that was the thing back in the 90s for my generation that was the thing back in the day where I'm from Canada a mix of martial art and and bodybuilding was the best mix you could be you would you were like you say a badass you know you say that then in the after we discovered that bodybuilder is not suited for you know mixed martial it's better like do like I I was doing more like uh strength conditioning kind of stuff. Then I found out after the strength conditioning it was better and Olympic lifting. I think it's better the gymnastic. Do you think it's better for your joints as well? Yes. Track and field and gymnastic. If I would have to do if that's I would George that's I would have to go back in time. I would have told myself that George stop all that bodybuilding stuff that you're doing. It's better to do gymnastic and uh track and field. Is that because you're you're already a fairly physically strong guy and you're pretty strong from uh wrestling as well? But if you I'm I'm very strong when I wrestle when I when I grab someone like in that strength. But if I lift weight, I'm not very strong. I bench like what two plate two plate and a half maximum. I'm not very strong bench press. People like my god you're not very strong. I get I'm I'm not strong at lifting weight. When I was a when I was a a kid, I remember I was in in school in in secondary school and everybody the thing was to have a big chest, you know. Every guy wanted to have a big chest. So I remember for years I used to do bench press, flies, dumbbell and man, I never had a chest in my life is I never had it. I I I try so hard to train for it. and never add volume here and and you know it's genetic man is that's the way it is. So I said, "You know what? You know, I'm not going to do it, man. I'm I'm going to do for gym." Like, you know, I give up on it. I give up. I have big legs, big big butt, big big big uh big cal. Say it. You going to say
[ __ ] Say it. You're going to say it. No, but you know what I mean? I I don't I don't have chest, man. I I tried to work, but it's that one of these thing that, you know, I gave up on it, man. I gave up. Do what uh Tommy Morrison did. Get breast implants. Did you see that? Yeah. But there's a a lot of ways that I can use to have chess, you know. Have you seen that? The Tommy Morrison breast implants? No, I don't. Remember Tommy Morrison, the boxer? Tommy the guy that had he had the AIDS. That That's He had the AIDS. He had Is that him? Yes. He has He has a disease, right? He has disease. Okay. Okay. Yeah. I heard I heard that. He also got breast implants. Oh, really? Yeah. Pull that up, Brian. Pull that up. Tommy Morrison breast implants. Why Why am I doing this? Okay. Here's why, folks. Cuz if there's a guy out there that's thinking about getting breast implants and I can talk him out of it, I got to do my job. You got to see this. Take a look at this [ __ ] picture. This is Tommy Morrison. He has uh Pulling it up. Yeah. Got to hit the switch. Is this it? Yes. Look at that. Oh man, that's not good, man. Yeah. Oh man, that's not that good, man. That's hilarious. Wow, that sucks. Yeah, don't do that. That's what I'm saying, folks. Anybody to anybody, please listen to me. Is there an unauthorized biography of you as well? Yes, there is. Who the [ __ ] wrote that? I don't know. It is. It's sad. He called up my You know, my parents are very nice people, you know, they talk they from countryside. They they always very respectful to everybody. And this guy apparently called up my mom and my dad. My dad is all nice guy. Oh, yeah. Yeah. He answer all the question about and I told my parents like stop answering question that people call like this man because is you know they're a little bit it's a little bit naive they don't know this this this thing. So I say stop talking to people you don't know about like they so some [ __ ] just wrote a book based on that. Yes. Yes he did. Yeah. But it's it's a bad book. He only talk about my fights. He basically describe my fight. He don't say anything personal. He doesn't know me. He doesn't know me. Right. So that's not a real unauthorized
biography. The real the real win is The Way of the Fight. It's available uh on Amazon. You can go buy it right now. It's available in bookstores. Um uh yeah, you can get it on a Kindle. You can get it on audible.com. Can you get it on Audible? Mhm. Are you talking it is some you know you doing? I started doing I started doing it when I when I uh had my ACL surgery and that's why I start writing down stuff and but I didn't wrote all word myself. It's in English. I don't write but it's made with someone. And I knit it like a So you don't write it in English at all? You just speak it? Yeah, I speak I write English but I I would you know I would not write a book in English because it has been made in English first then in French. So it's his name is Justin Kinsley who's a friend of mine who wrote it who who wrote uh the book for for me but I he took stuff that I say and my notes stuff that I write myself in French. He's he speak both language bilingual. So he he switch it to the book. Oh. So you switch it to English. Yeah. It's it's not a biography. It's not about an MMA book. It's not a book for MMA. It's book for more general public. You know what is it all about? It's about my the the tactic that I use to be to start where I come from and to be world champion. I find myself goals and uh drills the repetition and I keep doing every day and that's how you know. So that's what the book is about. Yeah. It's more philosophical stuff. It's more a philosophical book. It has nothing to do with MMA. He talk about MMA but it's like people that like it normally is people because it not has been written by an MMA guy. The guy who written he doesn't know nothing about MMA. Even the MMA people sometime might read it and say the terms are because you know sometime little mistake we correct in the future that we misunderstood but but is is a book about philosophy and and the mindset of of someone where I come from how I became successful from my experience. Well, George, you're a bad [ __ ] You're a cool guy. It's always uh great to talk to you. Thank you. I'm I'm glad to be your friend, and it was uh one of the coolest things of my life is being able to teach you uh throw a turning sidekick. The fact that you would even listen to me when I tell
you that I had a good one. You know, I'm going to do it in a fight one. I promise you. I promise. I'm not comfortable enough. I'm going to do soon. Well, let's tighten it up, man. Let me let me give you some drills. I got some drills for it that can uh that can definitely help you out. help you increase accuracy and we'll we'll do it some more. We'll train some more for sure, man. Love you, buddy. Thank you. Thank you very much, my friend, and best of luck to you in the future. All right, ladies and gentlemen, that's the end of this abbreviated episode of the Joe Rogan Experience podcast. Um, thanks to Hover. Uh, go to hover.com/rogan. Get 10% off your domain name registrations. Thanks to stamps.com. enter in the code word JRE in the microphone in the upper right hand corner and save yourself some shekels, son. Uh for any information on uh Brian's upcoming comedy shows, go to death squad.tv and including podcast that you can get only on iTunes under the dead squad death squad label like um uh Ryan Keely's Muff said and Kevin Pereira is pointless. It's uh uh also the death squad uh ice Ice House Chronicles which we do on a regular basis and we probably will do tomorrow night. You want to do one tomorrow night? Sure. We're gonna do one tomorrow night you dirty [ __ ] Uh tomorrow night we'll see you guys at the uh world famous Ice House Comic Club in Pasadena with Tommy Seagora, Tony Hinchcliff, Bert Chryser, Brian Redband, and myself. And uh until then, we love you. Go [ __ ] yourself. [Music] Wow, baby. [Music]