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Son podcast check it out The Joe Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all [Music] day you know rarely in life does it become come more evident to me that we are on the wrong [ __ ] track as a culture then when I pick up Rolling Stone and rolling stone used to have Hunter S Thompson writing stories about taking acid in Vegas and they were spectacular I mean today they still have Matt taiii who breaks down all the reality behind the financial crisis but Rolling Stone has a guy on it who's really fat and he's covered in tattoos and he's got name yeah this is the craziest [ __ ] I have ever seen in my life as a human cuz this at this point is like we are weird man we are a weird [ __ ] species there's nothing weirder than like as if if he hadn't called himself Rick Ross this [ __ ] would have never happened for him as if I mean what kind of Faith does that have in your talent he could change his name right now he could change his right now his name right now to something else and be just as huge I mean how many times has Puff Daddy changed his name name P Diddy and then now he's just Diddy you know think about that well well you know but his whole image is based on the name you know he he's built his whole career around this name and uh he's afraid to change it that's a thing that some dudes do like they'll call himself Capone you know they'll call themselves something [ __ ] up that's like you know I'm my I'm Tony Montana [ __ ] they'll call call thems somebody who actually was a bad [ __ ] so when what people don't know people that aren't from My Generation Um what they don't know is that during this whole Iran Contra thing was going on when it became revealed that Oliver North that they they were selling illegal guns and there was some drug dealing in the CIA and the in the hood that was like admitted and not admitted it was it was crazy times but my point is you became a prominent figer on the news it was it was a big high-profile case and before you went to jail it was very evident who you were I mean it was a big case yeah it was it was uh uh the LA Times once put me on as the Wallmart of crack cocaine I think that's what he said um Hey Joe oh sorry this is freeway's friend what is your
name again brother I'm Rick's attorney his attorney yeah Antonio Antonio we know I got to ride with attorney now they pull me over they pull me over hey you you got the perfect attorney though he's young and cool you know he led out Joe we got to remember what year it was it was 1996 right and and the thing is the guy says that he came up with the name in 96 so 96 Rick's name is everywhere I'm talking about globally everywhere cpan Congressional hearings and then the guy says I imagine it up in '96 that's what he said he uh he has some cockamamy name or cockamamy description for why he he changed the name but the bottom line is you had that name first and you were famous so it seems like he would have to change it if he was going to CH it's not his real name so if he's going to change his name to something else why would he change it into the name of a dude who's already famous who's like I mean if he's if he's pretending that he changed it for some arbitrary reason like someone said something and I said oh no I'm Rick Ross the Boss you know oh you didn't know there's Rick that's like calling yourself you know I'm goingon to be Mitt Romney and he's a profess uh philosopher of of gang and and drug culture you know he says that he knows all the drug dealers and all the gang bangers and and and the whole you know the whole nature of the business yeah that's another sticky point he didn't know but he didn't know about you he didn't know about me crazy Wikipedia did though yeah Nora Pablo Escobar Ross there was no uh there was no Wikipedia in 96 unfortunately though right that's when he when did he start becoming famous for it the 07 the name 07 07 yeah yeah see that's when we started to slide we started falling apart last year the Bush Administration [ __ ] are losing hope like this doesn't even make sense he's like [ __ ] it this can't last I'm just going to call myself Rick Ross and boom cover of Rolling Stone kid that's weird it's Rolling Stones I can't even get a story in there you know they why can't they they they won't write a story about you no they never wrote about me I I used to write Rolling Stone when I was in prison and try to get him to do a story about the drug war and what was going on and the whole whole but it it's so crazy you know it's
like they don't like me but right he can go on with my name with my story and rap on Monday Night Football about selling drugs did he rap on Monday Night Football yeah really what did he do he did triumphant with Mariah care wow and does he talk about selling drugs in that song I mean that's all he talks about I didn't hear him do the song but I mean everything he raps about is drugs really that's it isn't that what's what people don't know is he used to be a corrections officer like this the story gets crazier and crazier he's like a character in a will farell movie he's like some nutty dude that like gets exposed that has been putting on this like it's not like he's putting on a hustle and 1980 when you had to go to the library to find out about people you know you're trying to put a hustle on in a diff this is a different time man you can't do that anymore yeah well you know our people were so I don't know man so so lost that uh it doesn't matter anymore you know you can come up and and tell them anything and and they go for it and then once you they discover that they've been lied to they they still you know kind of like just mosy right on the along no Rick tell him how he said he came up with the uh how how he decided to correction officer in roller Stone they called him big boss right that that talking about this in the article itself that you have in front of he says that uh he he was eating peanut butter and jelly sandwiches with his friend his friend got caught for selling dope and the friend's father just tells him the his friend goes away for a long time his friend goes away for and the father walks up to him says you need to get a job become a correctional officer yeah did you just explain this to me like really recently you told me this uh no it was in the Rolling Stone right but didn't you explain it me recently too when was the last time I talked to you uh before this came out yeah yeah it's ridiculous yeah I mean cuz I kind of remember that statement I mean you think about it and then you think about it from a level of your son just got got arrested for for cocaine sales the years the first thing you're going to say is to his friend is go be his prison guard Jesus Christ how crazy is that keep him in jail well you know they've done those
studies they did a study I think it was at Stanford where they uh did a a prison guard study where they had students pretend to be prisoners and prison guards and like almost immediately the prison guards became abusive fake study kids just kids I worked as a security guard at Great Woods it was like a a a performance arts place in Mansfield Massachusetts it was like outside of Boston it was like all the big concerts would come there like Bon Joi and [ __ ] and and uh I was a security guard there and I'm not a big dude you know and so I was like someone's going to [ __ ] me up this is ridiculous you know being a in a position of security well I mean I'm just a security guard at a concert place but I swear to God within a couple of months of working there you develop this US versus them mentality you deal with enough drunken people enough craziness that dudes were hitting dudes that guys I never thought would hit somebody we're hitting people what's that Authority when you get that authority over somebody and you feel that that you have the whole system behind you and and that you're right and you can't do wrong you know matter of fact a guy that was uh in custody while he was a guard had called me one day and told me that this guy was one of the worst guards that you could be you know if you had an extra soup he would take it from you oh a extra stamp you know oh you one stamp over oh no and he go running to the to the general oh he had an extra stamp you know I'm like what uh I want to get a bunch of guys you know when whenever I get a chance I want to get a bunch of guys that was in jail with them and just get their stories and and see and then irony of it all is that that you you sit there and you're watching like the BET Awards and he's hollered out for all my guys locked up in prison oh my God all the people that I used to tell to shut the [ __ ] up and then the guy in prison are C he man you got to stop that guy man crazy why you guys letting him do that uh uh matter of fact I I was with somebody a couple days ago and U they were saying that this guy that he's been rapping about in his songs that's in prison is like man the guy messed my pill up you know I was on appeel and he got on a record and told him everything that I did oh no
way oh my God he told his story through rapping what an [ __ ] yeah and and also dude Even Rick Ross knows what he did he [ __ ] up his appeal that's ridiculous man they say he did the uh the the he did a documentary on the guys in Miami that that were supposed to been drug dealers and you know and some of those guys are like man he should have never did that he never got our permission he never asked us wow and and now those guys are exposed did you hear that grisela Blanco uh got assassinated the other day yeah I heard that you know who she is huh of course it's business it's business you know you know who all the key players are grisela Blanco was the old lady in um Cocaine Cowboys oh yeah that's right that [ __ ] oh you weren't with me in Florida no we Billy Corbin the guy's the director of it came and uh came to one of the shows [ __ ] cool guy amazing thing that she stayed alive so long you know after uh you know going to war with with Carlos Escobar she killed everybody that chick is responsible for the deaths of who knows how many people but they eventually got her somewhere well you know that's what happens though when when when you start that black market on on on drugs or with anything you know you give that that that power and um the ability to make so much money that that it just corrupts people I mean you know from all walks of life I don't think nobody's immune to it and doesn't that work the same way with Fame like this I mean it's it's very similar like what's happening to him yeah yeah I mean that's very that's very corrupting as well right it'll make you [ __ ] your way through a story in order to keep your your money coming in I I had to do a lot of research for this case and I actually read an interesting article by his sister it was it was an interview of his sister and he said she said he's lost in in in this in this image L he believes he's Rick Ross wow yeah he does I mean even when we uh that's crazy we went we took deposition down in Miami was the first time that me and him was face to face in a room together and I mean he rolled his eyes and he gave me a finger what he gave you the finger how long ago is this oh man this about four or five months ago at least that is ridiculous so it's after you did this podcast yeah yeah it
was after we did the podcast hilarious he gave you the finger what is he 12 who the [ __ ] gives someone the finger have you ever done that like [ __ ] you man but then the only time you do this and you're in your car and you got to go yes and then what's funny is you go after cran who who's like a little 5 foot4 white woman it's like who did he go after what he the oh she like MTV uh vhost she said something like about Rick Ross and then she he was like claiming that he was going to be violent against her and it's like but when the kingpin's in the room it's kind of like wow he gave you the finger though huh yeah that alone's a victory when a grown man looks at you and you don't say [ __ ] to him and he has to give you the finger like come on you silly [ __ ] yeah but he's such a uh I don't know you know his album flopped this time did it but he's on the cover of Rolling Stone but I don't think you can you you can have a flopped album and still going to cover Rolling Stones if if uh I'm going to call my agent if you buy it if you buy if you buy the cover I think all this stuff oh you buy it I think you buy it now it's not about uh being good or or or you know uh uh being successful you know it's about uh can you pay for it now it's amazing that today in 2012 this this image that he's projecting of his underwear and then his pants like halfway buckled halfway down his underwear with his big fat belly hanging out like what are we doing in 2012 we're [ __ ] crazy yeah it's funny it's funny Rick talked about Rolling Stone because Spin Magazine did an article on Rick that was I mean Rick Freeway Rick that was on the cover all week this week and spin did this he was on the covers spin's a great magazine there's some great exposes in there and they did a a piece on the rapper called master of his own reality and they talked about how he's create he's taking the the criminal black man image and just perpetuating it and just using it to sell image of himself that isn't true cuz he came from a good home right so he's basically like a a character he's he's doing like Andrew Dice Clay character absolutely I don't know if he's doing a pure character I think he's doing a copy of of Rick and and I think that he's doing a copy based on well he's way fatter than you like he's not trying he's not
trying to look like you at all but what is it I mean you're not covered with tattoos he's covered with tattoos well he say I look like I'm on crack so you look like a healthy man you look like a guy who's probably going to live to be 100 years old it's it's people that are uh really big and fat that are [ __ ] man that your your heart is pushing extra hard for that [ __ ] son how much cardio are you doing yeah you know when you when you got when you got those people behind you you know with that money they put some money in your pocket and then you feel like you're going to live forever you know if money will keep me alive then I'm good that that certainly what happens to a lot of these guys but it's also I think he's going to stuck with what got him to the dance and that's just bullshitting he's just going to [ __ ] [ __ ] until he slides into a wall you know I mean he's just going to keep going while he's in motion he's just going to keep bullshitting yeah why would he tell the truth he's not going to say listen here's the deal man well you know I wonder how come when the guy goes on radio stations and the host you know they never you know cuz I heard him on a couple radio stations they never ask him man why did you take this guy's name and why don't you he's a big guy he kind of Mad Dogs people I've seen him mad dog some people that have tried to ask him some things about you and he gets real loud about and he's he's it's uncomfortable to be around a dude that big who's pissed off you know yeah the only thing I will say to you that I think we've been doing like a um a viral campaign of Truth and if you read the Rolling Stone article he spends a lot of time talking about things that are uncomfortable for him correctional officer playing football things that he's never talked about I totally didn't even plan on reading this [ __ ] I just got it and I said I have to bring it in cuz I knew that Rick was coming in well he talks about playing football and we believe it's because we brought up the fact that when we called the school they didn't have a record of him playing football and look at this here so he never played football either this we have a we we check this out let let me justad I mean we reached out to athletic director and they said that they don't have him on the roster so for the whole
90s they don't have a William Roberts nothing I mean I would love to see the roster in picture say Li about that too why would that be surprising check this her out have you ever heard of an All-American football player without one picture with a uniform on I don't know I wouldn't be able to tell you how possible is that I don't think I think it's impossible all ameran to be all American seems like they take a lot of pictures of those guys man and not and but not have one picture anywhere in the world but how old is he supposed to be is he supposed to be like 40 how old is he5 graduated 96 he graduated 96 so he's about 37 is that what that is 36 maybe he seems like he's [ __ ] crazy is what he seems like he seems like he's just some dude who uh figured out a good hustle and he's just riding it yeah yeah he is but he's definitely definitely uh crazy I mean you know they just spent $1.3 million fighting me in court to keep my name really that's what they say they paid attorneys now um how did you what did what did you do to defend yourself did you defend yourself on your own cuz you know a lot about law yeah but I had I had good attorneys with me uh you brought him as well yeah we have a a firm uh yon uness that's been helping us um and then myself a lot of research search you know really this thing is going to come down to to whether or not he starts to understand that we're not going away so they they essentially try to like spend so much money that they sort of drowned you in like [ __ ] they did they they worked they wor they worked the hell out of my attorneys yeah I'm talking about a couple what like three months straight we was in in depositions every day yeah wow how is what a again what a crazy world we live in how could that even take 3 months how out they got nine attorneys but that's amazing isn't it if you really stop and think about the absurdity of that that they would spend months on that they would spend months on this is his name no that's his name well you okay that's it we're done here it seems like that would take 3 seconds it just shows you how mad we are we're like a mad culture you you know what you would think that that with this guy that once they send
him a bill for2 200,000 he would say well what's going on here but then no they sent him a bill for 500,000 and he still doesn't say what's going on here then they send him a bill for 600,000 he still doesn't we up to $1.3 million and this guy have and said hey you know what let's sit down and talk about selling this case you know it seems like he could have just given you that money or or for that and then Chang his name yeah we got a foundation freeway literacy Foundation you know have him be part of that how much would he would you take that and then just drop everything no no no I like the L all right how much would it cost to to let him use your name we don't have a license fee there's no license fee yet okay so essentially say let's say the dude loses in court but he wants to continue to call himself Rick Ross and plus I guess he has to compensate you for the use if he loses in court he can forget it really if he wins in court D like where you at right now how many times you guys been before a judge wait say that one more time how many times have you guys been before a judge how many times have there or should I say have there been rulings it's been really like two rulings two rulings what three R three rulings what they say and what essentially happened was uh Rick first decided to go for Freeway Rick decided to go to federal court and when he went to federal court it's not the best place because California has so much better protections for uh I guess you could say personality rights name rights so you know federal court said go take it to California we want to there a better place to hear it there came to California and first we sued Universal because Universal is the home of Death Jam uh the judge said Rick was late in against Universal um but Warner Brothers did a a new deal with uh with the rapper William Roberts Ros last year and as a result we're not no that that's him as well this Ros is him Ros is the same person why why does he have a bunch of different names uh maybe I well after we filed a suit he changed it from Rick Ross to Rick Ros he he didn't change it he uses both but still but still the thing is so much value has been put in let me start off by saying uh there's a video of leor
Cohen liar Cohen uh the president of of of Warner talking about a fast forward his name is liar leor leor l y o r and he talks about something called a fast forward model they don't want to develop artists anymore so essentially they try to fast forward him and what I what essentially happened we believe is that that the labels looked at the fact that this Rick Ross was untapped and they and they and they realized we can just put an artist out and there's already like value a name yeah and so he said the name came out from him in '96 but it really was like 2007 when he started working yeah wow it's a crazy case man I don't know what it would be like walking around where there's another man who has my name oh man it's it's awful people call you and and to book you and they don't know if you him or or you you know it's wow it's it's it's it's it's confusion it's [ __ ] weird but at the same time it's it's you know I just want him to stop you know what I'm saying I'm like why you got to take my name you know I built this name and he had had some crazy he was with Funk Master Flex and they said some crazy stuff like I should be happy that he kept me alive and and even with that if the guy would come out and admit that he took the name would would be a little more comforting you know but when you sit here and lie to me you know it just makes it where I'm like you know man this guy here is totally full of so are you in appeal right now like where where do you stand we're we're actually uh in in process of deposing possibly Lear Cohen and Sean Colmes moving forward with trial against Warner Brothers um the judge ruled in our favor as far as Warner Brothers cannot take a statute of limitations out to get out of the case and so we're moving forward against Warner Brothers to trial wow whoa that's crazy now what I will say is that there's two fundamental differences with what Rick what Rick Ross has done with with Freeway Rick versus 50 cents or Jay-Z with jazo and the first being that this is his birth name uhhuh you know when you take somebody's birth name um especially somebody like Rick you essentially can create confusion when you walk in the room cuz they don't it's not a nickname they're not going to clear it up they going to be like just how many people walk in the room and say
I'm Stanley Roberts that's just not their name right so and the second thing is that Rick's name let's explain what you meant by that though because a lot of people don't know what you meant by Jay-Z and jazzo jazzo was a famous like neighborhood rapper neighborhood Guy where where Jay-Z lived and then Jay-Z became Jay-Z and it's sort of he kind of like copyed that dud yeah 50 Cent is there was a bank robber but these are like neighborhood names and likei name was in Time Magazine Rick Ross was inaz name conine this isn't name needed to be built up so when Rick gets out he's getting approached by Nick cavetti Ari Emanuel Jeff Berg the top people in Hollywood he doesn't need the rapper to build his name up it's just also crazy because you you know that he says that he's uh an expert on on the culture so it's it's it's insan no there's articles there's an article look there's an article where he says in 0 01 I mean I'm sorry 0 six this is the rapper show and proof XXL he says it's rumored that the guy started the Crips then you come out with the song with uh Jay-Z and Dre three kings where he says my cousin was a [ __ ] her it was a seat thing it's like come on man I mean how how much you going to do to copy the man's life I mean there areen no I don't I don't I I don't think there's many Crips walking around Florida wow so strange it's a strange strange thing to like lock onto that I wonder what his mindset is I wonder if he just feels like he's got something successful and [ __ ] why mess with what's good you know I'm just going to keep driving it until the wheels fall off yeah well well you know but but I mean any rational person would come and say you know what I've done good off of this person you know they've helped me get here let me go to the table and and and square this up uhhuh you know let me let me make right what I made wrong because by right he should have came to me and and and said something to me from the beginning right had had I not been in jail he never would have done this right you know he never would have came and took my name had I not been in jail and been under uh the restraints that I was under but and for folks who don't know we talked about this in the last time
you were here but for folks who don't know he thought you were in jail for life but you because of reading uh different legal arguments in jail you realized that the three strikes rule did not apply to your case cuz two of the things were consecutive is that correct yeah so concurrent excuse me so he thought like a lot of people did that you were in jail for life that was what that was what it was supposed to be him and the labels yeah the LA it was all in the newspaper that I had a life sentence so it's like if you tried to call yourself John Gotti you know he's dead you know you can get away with it I mean why would I want to be I mean why would I want to be John Gotti I mean aren't you proud to be who you are you know can't you be yourself I mean you're never going to make your family's name I mean it's very silly all I ever wanted in life was to take my name and put my name in lights not me go out and put Joe Rogan I mean what does that do for me you know how does how does that satisfy my crave and and and my need and he's actually a second that's what's right well maybe he just thinks that's the only way he could do it and me he thinks that there was like you know what's the difference between accomplishing something for me accomplishing something yeah mean that you actually go out and accomplish something not where I mean you know if you cheat and get it yeah did you really accomplish it no I agree with you I think anyone rational agrees with you but there's people that feel like they can't make it without cheating they can't make it without stealing they can't make it without lying they can't do it so they just do it and that's what they do that's the the normal go-to mode is to be full of [ __ ] and then just just exist that way that's a lot of people man that's what it's just there's and and that's that's one of the reasons I think that our country is such in such bad shape right now because we're in a mode of fake it to you you make it yeah you know and and if you don't make it keep faking it I got a whole bit in my ACT I'm doing now we try trying to explain Kim Kardashian to an alien you know it's like you look at how ridiculous our culture like really is now try to try explaining Snookie to someone from another planet try explaining this Rick Ross thing you
would you would go crazy and and then and then the other part of it is just to realize you know when you say Rick Ross you're talking about the Iran Contra Scandal and really important part of American History right and for him to come out and do he dilutes he confuses the story so it it kind of it hurts the product in a lot of ways it hurts history yes yeah it's confusing to people you know you're you're clouding it out and then if someone goes back and reads Rick Ross like what this this is what is this guy who's this IR ran Contra what the [ __ ] is he with the rapper is that the rapper and then just what they have the same name like there's some dudes who are born the name is Ray Charles like good [ __ ] luck with that that's [ __ ] you bet you got to change your [ __ ] name there's already a Ray Charles man you can't you know you know what I mean but that's one thing if your mom named you that yeah but you got to change it you name yourself you got to come up with a nickname you know it's ridiculous you got name yourself today that that's really ridiculous it's so stupid can you imagine if you're a young basketball player you try to call yourself Michael Jordan I'm Michael Jordan what the [ __ ] are you talking about man there's already a Michael Jordan like people are crazy this is just more evidence that we're completely losing our minds no but the thing you got to realize is what about if this on purpose because you want you want to walk in that room and get that interest well I think he probably started it out when he didn't have as much of uh an understanding of how quick information transfers but it seems to have worked enough that he's on the cover roll stone with all these [ __ ] diamonds so there had to be some benefit to it for him oh absolutely he's covered in diamonds absolutely where well he knew that that basically in the streets you know because I basically hid from from from people you know people didn't see me they didn't get to know me so nobody really know what I look like so when he came out they just had heard the name the name was ingrained in people's mind and and people just gravitated to the name you know I had U and almost in an abstract way without even really remembering the case it was almost like do you do do you know you
know [ __ ] mayor uh what's his name Nora do you know what Nora actually did most people don't but that name nor it sticks you know it's the name cuz it's been out there so many times you heard it he's actually counting on people to not know oh Absol story absolutely and that's that's how he's benefiting right now because people still don't know because people are starting to uh matter of fact we did a photo shoot a couple weeks ago from a guy where was he from London he's from the Netherlands from Netherlands and he was saying when he came over there they boo him oh [ __ ] yeah they actually boo him on the stage cuz they know what up when was this how long ago was this uh maybe about a month ago oh [ __ ] but you know they our podcast has legs in Netherlands but you know they're not going to put that on the news yeah of course not man that won't make the cover Rolling Stones this uh this what you're doing now is coming on podcast and putting [ __ ] in I've seen a lot of your other interviews that you've got online and you know you you're you are spelling it out calmly rationally non- emotionally you know you're just spelling it out it's and you're saying the same [ __ ] thing every time and then you see when people try to Corner him on it it's like this weird awkward Mad Dog moment where he just kind of gets loud that well you know we're not about all that you know moving on something else now tell about R we about money we about money oh R je say he asked him about uh uh the price of of of an ounce and he [ __ ] what he this is before though this is this like 0708 yeah when he was Jud say he asked him about uh the price of oun of cocaine and he what did he say he got real healthy yeah he said the guy didn't know the price and rotth said he didn't really know cuz root I don't know no about no gang so but just [ __ ] with him and see what's up I'm just asking you no he wasn't he thought that he really knew he thought that he was really me right at that time you know so so he expect him to give you an answer you know somebody come in and say they think they butcher you going to ask them about me you know if somebody asked me man what was the El of cocaine going for I could just you know just write off the top of the head because I lived it you
know I was there but you know somebody who hasn't done it then then you you know it's total to him so I thought so he got caught quick that was a pretty easy question I'm sure that that that that that he can get caught more often but you know right now I mean media is not media anymore I mean it's not about reporting the truth that's why it's it's so good that you know people like you are doing the podcast and the internet you know because right now with with the mainstream media man they all bought and pay for it's done isn't it CNN go suck it yeah they're done they're all done I mean if you listen to the radio you're going to hear 10 songs over and over again you know the same 10 songs over and over again so the shocking thing though is the news the the news really is shocking there's a lot of [ __ ] that just doesn't get described and the way it's the way it's explained is like it's very off like try getting the the real scoop on Wikileaks from watching the news you don't know what the [ __ ] is going on and they don't give us BBC yeah BBC is like some good news BBC is great you know what's also great Al jazer Al jazer is pretty honest news you know there's there's people in other countries that still look at the news and they they they look at journalism like they have an obligation to show the uncomfortable truth and that's why I think that uh Brandon Stenberg the guy at Spin Magazine shout out to him because he did a really good job of of getting his piece out and what's funny we put it in he puts it in Spin Magazine makes the cover we didn't know it was going to be on the cover and then the next morning Costa Rica times runs it of all places the Costa Rican times wow yeah other countries they can still tell the news as long as it's not about drug dealers that are local but you can tell the news about other [ __ ] you know it's it's a sad statement to where how far we've Fallen as a country that you just watch propaganda on TV they want the people to be dumb you know the people are dumb and and and and and you know just following what what they say follow then you know it's easy for them to control what's what's going on you know well it's this Mitt Romney guy is terrifying this Mitt Romney guy is not even a real human
being it's it's it's the strangest thing listen like he from the 50s like straight out of the' 50s you know like those old da father those best the da what you kids doing today you're not getting into any trouble are you yeah he doesn't seem like a real human he sat down with some guy um who was a a gay Vietnam veteran and the guy uh asked him about gay rights and he probably didn't think the dude was a veteran and uh and that you know it just said he wasn't into like gay people being married and then uh the guy just trashed him after he left it was great it was beautiful but it was awkward watching Mitt Romney communicate with him he's just so awkward dude it's like when you hear see him talking to somebody he's like do you interact with anybody like who are you interacting with like he's interact he's like in some [ __ ] silver room you know counting diamonds and he occasionally has one of his uh minions will come in and ask questions me this guy's like he was really really really rich like hundred million Rich he's a [ __ ] stupid rich guy so he's awkward talking to like regular folks oh yeah like when was the last time he's been like a regular dude like you know out there going a Subway you know buying a sandwich and [ __ ] you he's he's an odd duck and you know that's what we need we need some regular people people who are out here dealing with real life situations that know you know that gas cost money you know it's like a lot of times these people don't understand that that uh we have real out here on the streets you know that there's people that have to ride the bus and you know the funny thing also was to watch the difference between the uh two conventions like when you watch the Republican convention it was awkward in the same you heard about what they did to the reporter the CNN reporter no they threw uh peanuts at her and called her an animal what yeah black CNN reporter what is it on camera uh I don't know if it's on camera but it was everywhere it was everywhere in the news holy [ __ ] I vaguely remember skimming through something like that but I had to run out the door and I never CNN reporter peanuts so so when you say it's awkward you just look at the Democratic like platform in the Democratic Convention it was like all accepting yeah that's a wow
CNN camera woman had nuts thrown at her at the GOP whoa that's insane absolutely insane Antonio is like a encyclopedia you know if something happens he knows about it yeah well that's that's pretty intense that's the only saving grace of the the liberal party is that they they're much more uh for equality whether it's sexual equality Racial equality equality the problem is when they start doing the same [ __ ] with corporations they start accepting giant amounts of money and then they they're both they're both basically beholding to the same people at the top but you benefit socially when Democrats are in you know well you know that's our whole system right now everybody's being being paid for you know by big corporations it's it's staggering is staggering when you stop and think about it that you know you look at the amount of money that's donated to campaigns and you look at some of the things that people have said that they would do before they got in the office then you find out what they're really going to do it's like they they really it's not they don't really have a say you know I mean Obama if you could get Obama and he could do whatever the [ __ ] he wanted to and everybody just had to listen do you think he would run things this way I say no [ __ ] way I say there's an idealistic young college student inside that guy's head he's too close to that he's Too Young Too Young Too smart too articulate you got to know that at one point in time there was a dude who was you know kicking back who was hoping for a better world now here he is finger on the trigger and he can't get nothing done that's when you know when you get finger on the trigger yeah he can't he can't put it on the trigger he can't really he I don't think I don't think they have a say I think it's just like being a sitcom character I think you get in there and then they tell you what the [ __ ] you're going to do and you you it's not one person pulling the shots I think that's why they killed JFK he tried to get crazy crazy you know JFK just decided to say listen I'm going to fix things I'm going to run things the right way I'm going to get rid of this Federal uh bank I'm going to do that and they were like what you out of here get in that [ __ ] car stupid we're going to get rid of you yeah you're not doing
this is a money grab this is not you know it's not really all about running the country it's about making a fuckload of money and running the country while you make a fuckload of money but you know what what they got to understand that if eventually if the money doesn't trickle down to the normal people if the normal people keep living in the conditions that they're living in that that Revolution is going to come you know I mean they seen it happen in all these other countries you know which they help well that's why they keep passing these new laws that's what all these uh National Defense authorization Act and the the ability to impound people without having to give them due legal process all that stuff that they're doing right now and passing through law is to just prepare for civil unrest prepare to do things legally because somebody wrote it on paper something that's absolutely immoral so that's what they're preparing to do they're preparing to do everything the same way Bahrain is doing it the same way Saudi Arabia is doing it I mean it's we we have to look at all these places like Egypt and Libya you have to look at that and go worst case scenario someone could go [ __ ] crazy here too I got this i got this crazy crazy and email and it had a PDF in there and it was from City Bank and it was about it was it was a PDF that only was sent to the elite clients and it was basically telling them how to manage their money in the midst chaos because chaos is coming it's a specific name for it I have to look at my emails but it it was just talking about like the percentage chances of this happening or that happening what the [ __ ] that's just so it's so hard to wrap your head around the fact that that might be our future like that every culture you know since the look go to the go to the Roman Empire and go look at all those broken down buildings how come they never kept up those buildings how come people didn't keep living in them how come we cuz the whole thing fell apart yeah there was nothing left I mean the whole thing just shattered into the rocks and it had to rebuild itself with time and that's that keeps happening over and over again to people we get to this point where we get super greedy and we have a lot of money and a lot of
resources and the people at the top just hoard over that [ __ ] and then boom it hits the Rocks yeah you know like one 100 uh million is going to be less if you lose 5,000 I mean 5 million or 200 million you know you know you're not living any better you know you can't there's only so many cars you can drive and so many houses you can live in they say after $40 million that your life never changes well I think what happens though is that people get crazy and then they it becomes like a mad game to them and they can never have enough chips you know they just want to keep just I I I know people that are rich that still get [ __ ] jazzed up about making money they still get fired up about it I don't I don't I don't understand it you know like wouldn't you want to like if you were Bill Gates wouldn't you want just chill there's no way you're going to spend all that money but for him he's got this Empire thing in his head he gets off on controlling you know all these different operating systems you know having all these computers all having this giant market share you know conquering and moving forward and creating new technology and creating new Xboxes and [ __ ] like the dude's still pushing it it's amazing you know those guys get addicted he could he could retire a hundred people he's got billions of dollars man but that's assuming that money's going to be worth anything you know I mean try to get a hold of some Roman money what's that [ __ ] worth today if it's gold if it's gold yeah if it's gold it's worth a lot and that [ __ ] up that back then when they didn't have anything man I mean there was no cars there's no TV people still agreed on gold like you can get me some of that shiny yellow [ __ ] gold are the white lines yeah well back then it was probably the you know it was probably yeah it was probably poppy seeds and [ __ ] and Poppy plants and the leaves yeah they've been chewing those leaves for years oh the cocoa leaves yeah well which is a really healthy way to do it they say for high altitude people in Peru they uh or you know you say Peru if you want to processed chick you know how to say it right when you're in Peru white guys that talk like with authentic Spanish accents are annoying as [ __ ] um but anyway you get get a hold of those cocoa leaves and you chew it
and apparently it's better than coffee and and just as healthy and it actually gives you like alkaloids and it gives you to minerals and [ __ ] and uh phytonutrients from eating the plants the leaves like chewing it up so it really is like not bad for you it's just when you turn it into cocaine yeah that's when [ __ ] gets freaky the person who found that out yeah who's that [ __ ] started this whole [ __ ] problem you could have just been a cocoa Leaf dealer and everybody be fine if it was legal see people don't understand if cocoa leaves were legal we really have no problem as long as nobody processed that and turned that [ __ ] into cocaine it's a great thing to have you can make tea out of it it gives you a lot of energy you can chew the leaves or even if they had dispensaries back then you cocoa leaves dispensaries if they had a weed dispenser would you've gone into that oh absolutely really that's way do it right yeah that's everybody's going to be fine that way it's when you get robbed by non weed smoking people when they know that you got money and weed there the real problem is getting and put you in jail that's the bad part that's what I was going to say like we're going to take your money your weed and put you in jail that's what a lot of people don't realize that that happens a lot when they rob you they take your money they the cops come they they steal all the plants and they take all your money and they don't ever have to give it back it's like it's it's you're never going to get that [ __ ] back you go through Court good luck you're getting your [ __ ] weed back you Ain getting your money back stop it you know it doesn't matter if it's legal it's not federally IL legal so they just challenge it on a federal level and you got to drop it that's crazy but you know when the people can't can't decide for themselves yeah I mean wow I mean if the people vote to to to make something legal I mean I think it should be legal it's the same thing like this fake Rick Ross guy it's there's a transparency of the information it's so obvious it's it doesn't make sense that it's still around it's just one more piece of evidence that shows how crazy we are the the marijuana one it's it's not like
there's nothing that can get you [ __ ] up it's not like marijuana is the only thing that we've ever had ever that gets you [ __ ] up you know and then people would be like man maybe we shouldn't really be messing with our normal state of consciousness cuz everything seems to be going smooth as long as people are sober but there's a lot of [ __ ] that can get you [ __ ] up everywhere you go every CVS you go into you could die yeah and then you come back to even what you said about the the transparency of Rick Ross I mean you got to got to look at this you got have a school call it school a they'll say we don't want the drug dealer coming in talking about literacy the former drug dealer let me say that right was that does he gives talks no I said they don't want threeway Rick coming in talking about lit okay but then turn around and authorize Rick Ross to come in and do hustling which is about drugs isn't that I mean I I just that's it makes no sense well you didn't even learn how to read until you went to jail right yeah I was 28 years old when I learned how to read wow that's incredible man your story is so it's the what I've always said is that the number one problem that we have in this country is that people are not caring how young people that aren't theirs are growing up and you got to look at young people as like the number one one piece of potential like if there's anything that has potential it's a human being and you have human beings that grow up with no future and no [ __ ] chance and no hope and no nothing and no education and no love well you just making a shitty person like that that's it's almost like you got to find out where we're bleeding if we're an organis [ __ ] Society yes a shitty Society because that one person is going to going to bleed on somebody else it's going to create a ripple effect it's like we got to find out where we're wounded where are we wounded well find that spot whatever that spot is cult Al where are we where is the the the most amount of crime where's the most amount of Despair where's the least amount of love that needs to be patched up until they patch that [ __ ] up we're never going to figure this out you're always going to have craziness that makes no sense like this fake Rick Ross character or like marijuana being
illegal or like Mitt Romney we're insane Snookie we're insane we're we're an insane culture we we've never been more insane as a culture I mean I think [ __ ] was probably insane back in the Elvis days [ __ ] was probably insane when the Osman brothers were huge okay but this we've never been this insane this well technology technology kind of does that I mean when you think about the exposure element of it all yeah you know I was thinking about my grandmother my grandmother grew up in a in a town where she saw the same people every day yeah which we see all new people every day you can be who you want to be it's great if your Town's full of awesome people you know I've always said that the the thing that we should do is organize a place where you could go and everybody's awesome like everybody decide to buy a house in this one one spot bar cheers yeah you don't want bar you want a neighborhood you want a whole neighborhood for all your friends but that's hard to do man we have cars so we [ __ ] it up we don't have like a neighborhood tribe anymore like it used to be that you would live around only the people that you knew like okay Mike I'm going to make my house right here you want to make your house right there we're good if you hear a bear wake me up you know but now it's like why would I have a house near you when I can just drive to your house I mean Brian's house is [ __ ] half an hour away from me I don't drive to his house you know Joey's house is 10 minutes this way and Eddie's house is over here I don't drive to anybody's house yeah you know like it's not like they're all in your neighborhood and you go knock on their door you know it's not like you're all together in a little tribe so we're all dysfunctional because we have these giant groups that you would think oh these [ __ ] all know each other this is a giant group of 20 million people living in LA but no nobody knows anybody you don't know anybody anywhere near you you're constantly surrounded by strangers it's the weirdest thing ever and people are really shitty now I mean have you have you tried to pull over like CH Lanes on the free on the street and and a guy next to you speeds up and he's going just fast enough to keep you from getting over and I'm like damn buddy I mean what was it going to give
you 10 seconds you get that 10 seconds later but that's the whole thing that comes out of not not knowing everybody because essentially you don't have to be responsible today I might meet you never see you again so I can be whoever I want to be to you and then tomorrow I'm going see all new people that is true that is true and that's not good necessarily but the other hand is you get exposure to a lot of different kinds of of people so you get a a pretty broad sense of what's possible when you think about like meeting human beings you know where a regular person might not get such a a crazy view of people not if they all watching Kim Kardashian that's true if you just go to the same spot every day for lunch same Hollywood club wait for famous people to walk in who's that is that her Snookie it's Snookie oh that fat never cross the T what's her son's name Guido is that what his name Guido is that his name did you just make that up I think his name is Guido please that up I know it's a hairy baby I heard that it's a hairy baby yeah snookies baby it probably is going to turn out it's just all snatch hair that fell off during the birth and just stuck to his head you can't clean them off you just scrub all day those [ __ ] hairs are glued into his head oh it's Lorenzo dried Snookie snatch juice it's better than Gorilla Glue could you imagine man you you're going to wake up and be [ __ ] four years old and you go wait a minute mom what do you do what do you do you're that chick from that show oh [ __ ] imagine being like 5-year-old watching Jersey Shore and that's your mom and she gets punched in the face by some dude at a bar did you ever see her get punched in the face she got punched in the face man by a teacher wow you know you're an annoying [ __ ] when a teacher is at a bar and he punches you in the face no imagine being 30 showing it to your son that's his your grandma and by the way the the guy who who punched her was like a teacher and an MMA fighter oh and she was like saying something to her and she just punched her right in the face on TV yeah like what first of all what a piece of [ __ ] that dude is like this if he didn't know a camera was there like he didn't know he was just hammered he had
no idea well I know they rushed him to jail oh [ __ ] yeah of course they did with the quickness Sal dude he cracked her too yeah yeah what they Char him salt with a deadly weapon well no because he didn't hit her with anything so I think it's just a s MMA fighter look at that yeah but I don't think you got it I don't think um it matters man people think that it matters like oh man your hands are deadly weapons no but you know what does matter man shoes shoes are weapons you got it Brian you pulling it up is that what we doing oh I'm sorry you guys can see it all here watch this [ __ ] yeah this is it watch this [ __ ] oh oh that dude cracked wait one more time oh it's oh it's kind of a slap punch that was was punch man it just wasn't good it it was a he was an MMA fighter but I bet he got his ass kicked a lot you know well he won that one he probably got paid a lot of money to punch her you think he did do you think they paid him to punch her well I do know that show was completely [ __ ] like 99% F I didn't even think of that I don't know about a punch though pretty [ __ ] real right that seemed like you really did hit her yeah it did seem like he did but you know they can fake him those [ __ ] got us again I I I I had a fake punch of dude once and I accidentally hit him it was like a a fake bar fight in a in a um a sitcom and I accidentally hit the dude yeah you can you could but I think like sometimes like in um uh those fight scenes like dudes get really [ __ ] up like didn't Sylvester Salone he he broke his [ __ ] neck at like 60 years old filming a fight scene apparently his neck is fused with a plate yeah yeah hey tell them about the beard that you heard you remember about oh about uh William Roberts beard is fake his beard is oh they got online where they show you how they how they fix his beard up oh how they make it thicker or something yeah well you know his beard is is he don't he can't grow facial hairs what so come on they take a piece of carpet and and get the [ __ ] out of here now you just Mak [ __ ] out no for real it's they showed it to me no they showed it to me online a girl was like hey uh uh go right here and you can see how they fix his beard his beard is not real it's a
piece of carpet what because she made a good point she was like Rick how long you been going your beard I said oh since I was 18 she said well you got holes in your beard I said yeah I always trying to get those filled in and they never fill in she said well look at his he don't have any holes anywhere she said isn't it perfect yeah but Brian grows a beard you don't have holes in your beard your [ __ ] grows pretty thick uh yeah it's yeah he I can grow a pretty thick beer too man I don't know well they got it online where you can see the guy fix it up you can see like him glue it down and [ __ ] yeah the whole thing wow that's crazy the whole the whole that doesn't make any sense you think the tattoos are real imagine if that shit's real it's fake the tattoos are fake like you catch him in a shower it's all running can he take the Rick Ross off his knuckles that's bizarre huhuh it's got your name on his knuckles no and then he says he doesn't know you I don't know you so strange oh wow it gives you the finger wow yeah so you know we going around now you know basically just just trying to uh trying to do what we just talked about you know educating the kids on on becoming critical thinkers and and letting them know that that eventually we're going to have to take the power back into our own hands or you know be led to slaughter we have a nonprofit now too fre freeway literacy.org you know freeway literacy Foundation been talking to a couple celebrities about getting involved being on board and it's more it's about of course literacy in regard to reading but also leadership literacy and financial literacy cuz now coming back to our point in this in this whole like podcast a lot of people can read and write but the question is what are you reading and writing DNC was on last night and if you was watching Snookie over to DNC and you went to college you got problems yeah you know I've had a I watched a very convincing uh video today by this guy I think his name is Stefon molu he's a a philosopher from Canada but he uh had a very convincing argument on why you shouldn't vote he was like it's [ __ ] [ __ ] it's like you're you're contributing to a game by pretending it's real and essentially you're you are you're you're giving in
to this [ __ ] shell game and rooting on this fake leader and that it's not real like this whole system's been B and he had a very convincing argument you know so watching the DNC might be like watching a pro wrestling event before SummerSlam you know might get youall fired up but really what the [ __ ] is going on behind the scenes not it's Ain it ain't Bill Clinton telling you how much better you are you know Bill Clinton's just trying to win so he get his dick sucked again he just wants to get up there and say something dope as [ __ ] so he comes off and he's in a cocktail party and next thing some chick is sucking his dick I was just reading an article to Rick about Bill and and just you know exposing that whole Fanny May Freddy Ma I mean he he said everybody's gonna get a house well yeah some people can't have a house yeah some people can't afford a [ __ ] house and uh also the strange death of Vince fost you know he was involved people forget he was involved with some giant real estate Scandal and uh Clinton and his wife and then there was a dude named Vince Foster who was uh I forget what he did I forget his whole deal but I remember that in Arkansas yeah he was a he was a big part of this whole case I believe and he turned up dead and the lady went to jail yeah with the gun still in his hand it's like they I think his wife went to jail for uh uh contempt the court she wouldn't uh yeah she wouldn't testify it's probably a good move on her part well you know the good thing about me is they don't allow me to register to vote anyway so I don't have a choice yeah at this point you're probably better off that way sounds ridiculous but this Stefan mullu guy had a very interesting um take on it it's it's reluctant it's like it's almost people like well if you want to [ __ ] change things you need to get out and vote and you got to go really I'm not sure well Joe I think that I think they also you got to look at what type of vote maybe on the national level that applies but on a local level you can vote with your feet vote vote with going down to your Council people people go you vote with your wallet too yeah people don't even go down to their council member meetings and talk about that pothole that's in front of their house it's true you know you're right
that's true local local politics are real that's legit that's why Arnold Schwarzenegger couldn't get [ __ ] done CU of Joe R Arnold got in there and saw what a tangled mess this whole thing was they I think they thought they'd be able to clean it up it's a mess but I think like like Mayors Governors you know things along those lines that's real you know they can really change things and affect things you could have a good mayor or a shitty mayor I mean look what happened in New York City look how New York City was cleaned up I mean so it's a strange thing you know strange thing how much something can change with the right guidance and the right leadership but on a federal level man it's like if if it really got anything done if voting really could change things they'd figure out a way to [ __ ] it up they'd figure out a way to make it illegal yeah yeah one of the things I was even telling Rick was I was looking at some of the local elections and like 20,000 people we can mobilize 20,000 people pick who we want you know true we can pick for local elections especially if you uh if you guys do a podcast do a freeway rooky podcast yeah you think we should [ __ ] yeah you're president Jo you're great on it can't be elected me I barely have time to my own no the vice president of freeway Studios freeway Studios um I think you could do it man for sure you you you would be able to really mobilize a lot of people that way people like hearing you talk man you got great stories and your life is fascinating and you think about what you know what a podcast is is if you can be entertaining and interesting you you then all a sudden you got a group of people that are tuned into you and they get used to you and they they sort of like become your friend that's sort of what happens on this show and so you know on this show people know that if I'm telling them something it's because it's true or it's because I believe it's true yeah you know I'm not bullshitting and when people get to know you they'll know the same thing absolutely and then from there you can any speech you're ever going to do somewhere any thing you want to get passed through any that you want to let people know about that they don't know about you have a voice and you have a voice that I mean it'll start
off with you know x amount of people and then it'll double and then it'll triple and as long as you keep doing it next thing you know yeah next thing you know you got your own [ __ ] radio show you got your own Freeway Ricky radio show you can do whatever the [ __ ] you want because I know I still get people that come up to me from our last show that we did and say hey man I saw you on joean I was at the Dub Show like two weeks ago in downtown I at the convention center and man at least five or 10 people came up to me man you that was great job you did on Joe Rogan I wases wow that was almost a year ago that's awesome the dub show man that that that Market's taking a hit man the big wheel Market that Market's taking a hit I mean all the luxurious markets yeah but the big wheel Market even people who have like nice cars they don't buy the big wheels anymore no no but Dub's doing good though the magazine you mean they had about 50,000 people out at their car show yeah I just bought the new magazine they they have cool cars in it man it's fascinating [ __ ] like what people do their cars people doing their cars they like Mr cartoon that tattoo artist and a couple other dudes who I don't know who are they are but they had some pretty badass cars but the big wheel Market [ __ ] nobody wants those Wagon Wheels anymore you don't want Spinners on your on your H how long did Spinners last what was like the legit lifespan for Spinners Brian I still see them once in a while do you really yeah Dana White used to have them but you know president of the UFC they CH SP changing people's appetite you know today is Big Wheels tomorrow is little wheels yeah you know then next week it's big wheels again and then it's the medium wheels and you know just just a way to keep pulling that money up out our pocket so that we don't uh yeah take that money and that power and put it to where it could really benefit the people well it's also just a distraction people love shiny [ __ ] man if you can give him a shiny ass wheel whoa I saw a dude who had like a Chevy Caprice like a Caprice Classic and they were the most ridiculous Wheels I've ever seen in my life it was like a 10-speed bike wheel it was just crazy like what the [ __ ] are you doing doing with your car this is this isn't even a car anymore yeah I see him all the time
it's so strange like I don't even know how he got into the car it was so high up there it was like an acrobatic event just to climb into his front seat to deal with his crazy stupid Wheels it's weird man people are strange yeah well that's the state of America right now man have you ever understood monster trucks no no yeah I've watched him before I've only been in one I was in Quinton Rampage Jackson he has a giant monster truck he had a monster truck with a picture of his face on it I'm from La you got to remember we're from La I know but got from like the quinton's from mempis yeah you got to be from the middle of the country for that the cool thing is the height of it you know looking out over it's like you're in a city bus like looking out it's weird like you're looking above the traffic it's real strange you see Arnold his new new car no he has some German car that's really popular with the German Army and it's it's like a Hummer but taller like I'll try to find a picture oh really is it electric uh no no it's gas guzzling horrible car yeah no one's got 2 miles a gallon well the There's real problems with electric cars man you know people want to go electric but you realize that electric relies on lithium ion batteries and they get that [ __ ] from war zones you know anywhere where there's lithium people are dying you know there lithium in the Congo there's lithium there's there's pockets of lithium that were recently found in Afghanistan oh yeah yeah lithium is uh it's it's a scarce uh scarce element and when they find it man you know they they try to lock down that area and control it so it's like you're not really going to get a conflict free car that runs on electricity because that [ __ ] runs on a lot of lithium so they got to pull that out of a mountain somewhere in Afghanistan that sounds like an avatar yeah look at this mother is you do you're right avatar look at this [ __ ] oh wow look at that stupid car Arnold you silly [ __ ] he's just ready he's ready for the end the end is coming looks like he's been pumping up doesn't he he's getting back in shape crazy that's a Mercedes that's is that a monkey in the back look at the cigar dog dog son look at the cigar I'm going to the maid's
house I think that I had a crazy dream about him license plate yeah he don't give a [ __ ] I had a crazy dream about him um after his whole case and I I I talked about it on the podcast it was real weird man he was uh in my my family's Young yard they had a yard that like was like right up next to like a lake it was like a lake or an ocean anyway they're swimming and Arnold was running around swimming with his like balls and [ __ ] hanging out and he was really confident he was really confident just rolling around no big deal my [ __ ] is hanging he was just so casual about his dick hanging out I remember thinking you got to keep women away from that guy he's just trying to [ __ ] and this was my crazy dream of course but it was just such a stream dream see some old in shaped guy with his dick hanging out just swimming around near people it was a strange you know some people feel like they they they're more privileged than others you know we can do whatever we want to do because we got all the guns yeah do you think that's his attitude that he just feels privileged AB absolutely so Hollywood star of a lot of guns I'm going to [ __ ] the maid and everybody else they gets in my way yeah just shoot loads in her didn't give a [ __ ] did you see spendables too did you no I didn't see it did you no I never saw the first one was it good it was okay yeah the first one was fun if you want it's like a a good episode of duk's of Hazard you know what I mean like but the same characters like today they just 50 in the car we're going to make a comeback we're coming back but you know that what that's about is what something that you said earlier you know you said that you know we should invest in kids but America is an old country it's like most of people are like 58 you watch TV everything that's honest for them what is the numbers of people I don't think that's right I wonder what the average age of people is America used to be in the 7s it was like a young country cuz the baby boers are getting old so now America is like an old country so when you sit and watch television that's why every it's all for old so what is the average person how old is the average I think it's like 50 something really 53 54 maybe maybe late 40s I might be more
but it's definitely not in the 30s all right Brian take gas before I hit enter um 35 35 I think I'm with you I'm saying in late 30s that's what I say because I know there's a lot of people [ __ ] these days let's see um H median age was 28 in 2012 so not quite I saw Joe I saw that did you see that advertisement somebody found a old commercial uh of you in it on comedy Central it was like in the middle of some field yeah of a field you're talking 22 years old there that was so weird yeah it was terrible so awful too yeah it seems like that's what it is 28 yeah it seems like it's 28 well that's in the middle not young but not old either well this one though says United States median age is 36.9 it says the average is 36.9 because for men it's 35 years for women it's 38 years so that would say that you were about right yeah we're about right 35 36 yeah either way that's probably older than people were back uh in the 70s right in the 70s people were we were a young country cuz all those baby MERS were just that's why everybody went crazy was doing drugs listening to Jimmy Hendrick and [ __ ] all that [ __ ] you know Happy Times yeah happy times right but growth but what a crazy little burst of energy that time was and then to have it all pulled back you know it's like for a for one 10year period from between 1950 and 1960 the world changed in a crazy way I mean it really changed like a [ __ ] and then 10 years later everything became illegal and then they put the lock down on everything 1970 they passed all those drugs drug war yeah that's when they said no more acid no more anything else stop it people were taking all kinds of crazy [ __ ] that was legal at the time yeah you know yeah somebody said they used to even put Coke in cocaine I mean cocaa they put Coke in Coca-Cola have you ever had the real coke I had the the Mexican Coke which is Mexican Coke is different it's cane sugar instead of delicious whatever sugar we use Mexican Coke is better [ __ ] up but they don't have I haven't had seen Mexican Diet Coke but they have cane sugar instead of corn syrup which is way better for you oh yeah isn't that
ridiculous [ __ ] they put in sodas is is the worst and I haven't drunk a soda in about 25 years really yeah I totally cut them out smart they're so delicious though check a Coke sharp yeah yeah man when you uh when you have like a nice sandwich you know you want to Coke to go with that [ __ ] it tastes good yeah burgers Burger and Coke yeah it sucks that you like I eat these kale shakes man and uh it's not my favorite thing to eat they don't taste good they're this big [ __ ] Blended shake that I make where I stuff cake hail in it and celery and ginger and garlic and pineapple but when I drink them I feel way better but I'm like why can't I why can't something like that draw me to it because every time I go to it it's like work like can't believe I'm drinking this [ __ ] disgusting [ __ ] I'm like all right it's going to be delicious I'll start talking myself into it and then I'll pour like a lot of coconut oil on it a lot of a lot of pineapple in it so it tastes a little bit better yeah but it really doesn't taste that good if like I had to choose between that and a soda I would want that soda soda's delicious abely soda's like painfree it's like oh give me give me some love but then you won't be looking as as young as you do no I won't be feeling as good or as healthy as you are right now and you know and health is is so important you know a lot of times I tried to tell this [ __ ] tell him to stop smoking I keep telling him I want him to he's he's getting older and he smokes he doesn't take care of his body and I'm like dude I don't want to be over your bed while you got some cancer type [ __ ] that's what happened with the rapper he had to eat better you heard about that another rap what that no with the rapper he had to eat with the rapper he had to eat better he had seizures and then he had to change his diet that's in the Rolling Stone article too oh oh Rick Ross had seizures so he had to change his fake Rick Ross yeah so he had to change his diet that's why he has a song called Pine dice pineapples yeah he's had two heart attacks right and he's made two songs about his heart attacks that dude is just lying and slinging dick till he hits the wall when you had a bunch of heart attacks and you're that fat with your shirt off and plus you know he probably
wasn't getting laid until till after after he start rapping yeah it's probably his balls don't know what is going on they're like why are we shooting so many loads how the [ __ ] did this guy get so successful with his dick it's like for 35 years nothing all of a sudden every day it's like we need more loads like more loads can you imagine if you were like in the load Factory in his body and then all a sudden production went up by like 5,000% in his 30s what the [ __ ] is going on man what do we do with all this sperm just him eating sandwiches getting his dick sucked you're [ __ ] nuts counting your money trying to figure out how much he can give you and still live like this no he's probably thinking about it right now none in his mind he saiding none not GNA give him a dime yeah well if he has to change his name to Ros at least he's like set the the S the stage for that you know right Ian he kind of has right you said he's sort of using another name no he's using Rick Ross he's still using that con look at the cover the Rolling Stone yeah maybe that maybe they did that too was maybe there was like this is what we're marketing so before we totally lose let's keep that going on maybe they just figure that's the best way do you think they got to know that they're going to lose right I hope so I bet the lawyers are listening to this [ __ ] right now N I bet they are never know if they're good right wouldn't you be listening to this you're on top of everything we don't know if they're good I watch I watch a good lawyer with with with you know I mean just for me you know businessman and I said okay well we just spent 100 Grand we know we're going to have to spend at least another million hey you want to go and sit down and talk to this guy and try to work this thing out right but no his lawyers are like oh no keep sending those checks and and uh pay 1.3 million out of selling uh they say 200,000 records but I think it's probably more like 25,000 what he actually sells no this he's talking about opening week opening week they so they say so you think they lie about that [ __ ] they buy they buy the Recs themselves they do we don't know if they bought them in his case but
we but they do buy records really what companies do that we don't all of them they do that just to jack up the sales to make it look Bigg make it look like the guy is hot when when he may be not be really that is interesting make him go gold really how many do you have to sell before you go gold 500,000 and platinum's a million yeah yeah I didn't know that they would just could just go buy them like that it makes sense though kind of unethical or illegal to do that but but they all practice that that method really yeah well it kind of makes sense you know look if you if you wanted to think about it that way or you can like brag about the guy selling so much people will try [ __ ] that hear is real popular and then you start to get advertisement you know yeah bet will pick you up and they start to play your videos and MTV and oh he sold 500,000 so now you're hot it's a weird business that music business man it seems like a a strange strange place to maneuver Joe can I ask you a question sure please if my name was William Roberts and I wrapped about being a correctional officer would you buy my CD yeah if you were good yeah man yeah man you could have any [ __ ] job and I don't care what you do you could be a comedian you could be a rapper you could be an author you could if if you're good it's not it's not like the the title of what the guy does it's like who is he you know like there's a lot of people that are working in bask and Robin scooping ice cream and they're interesting [ __ ] if you were sat down and talked to them for a long period of time they might be able to actually write a book that's pretty [ __ ] badass you would want to read he might be able to rap about ice cream and' be like I never thought a [ __ ] could rap about ice cream and I would think it was fun it's all depends on the individual and the context of what they're saying so that guy for sure could have pulled off talking about being a corrections officer he just had to be a bad [ __ ] to do it I don't know I just think rap is so anti authoritarian it's true you know and especially like how he's trying to rap I'm a correction officer yeah that's true don't know if it works that's true
I lock up drug dealers and Tackle people down people I'm on the Goon Squad we going to take him down you would have to be unbelievably good I made him bend over and spread his cheeks he would have to be Eminem times a million yeah I checked I checked up on his nut sack he would have to be know a million times better than JayZ but if he it's like it's not impossible it's just he would have to be so good to overcome that hate it would be almost impossible okay you know what I'm saying I really think that anything is possible can you do it can I do it no probably not but is it possible that someone could be so good at rapping that they could pull off being a bad [ __ ] even though they used to be a corrections officer and it's probably going to happen one day maybe it's possible you just you'd have to be so just untouchably it'll be in your dream Arnold schweger yeah it would be he just walked past William Roberts just pass by you know like if Nas was a corrections officer Nas's lyrics are so goddamn good you got to just respect it you just you can't deny it I I never heard anybody says that Nas sucks cuz his lyrics are so good that one where he plays the whole song backwards like the the events like he he reads them backwards like come on man who the [ __ ] do that who else can do that even if he was a corrections officer You' have to go godamn that was pretty [ __ ] badass you know what I mean so he would have to be that good but he's not he's not that good he's not that good at all which is really interesting that every day I'm hustling that got that's like it's got like a catchy beat to it that was pretty good yeah you know that came from dark Alliance cuz that's what you said yeah that's some one of the things that you said right yep yep yep I mean that's so weird you're in a club you hear every day I'm hustling every day I'm hustling and you must be in a club going what the [ __ ] is going on in this life you know what was funny to me about a month and a half ago I was in Short ofte North Carolina and so this kid he did a rap against the rapper you know only support the real uh middle finger to the fake whoa and so the rapper and they all sitting in VIP and they play the rec on the radio oh no and they're guy called
me he calls me he like yeah I'm sitting right next to that dude right now and they just played the song on the radio and does he did he know that it was him that was that play yeah he knew oh that's hilarious and he had just talked to the kid before the song came on and you know was telling him my how he was oh it's a terrible place to be man to be full of [ __ ] it's a terrible thing to do you know I mean in that way if you look at the stomach I mean he's been he's been there for a while you just don't get there overnight yeah that's true yeah he's a slob it's amazing it's a that's a a fascinating story it's just uh you you're admirable in how you are depicting it in a a very you're not vindictive you're not angry you're like I barely feel like your heart goes up a beat when when you bring it up you just bring it up very factually with like a I just I just want what's mine yeah you know uh um but I mean it's you're not you're not freaking freaking out about it you just persistent no no I'm not but I'm not going to rest until I get it straight you know uh he don't understand the type of person that I am you know when I had my life sentence in prison one of the things that I committed myself to was getting out of prison and now one of the things that I'm committed to right now is to get my name back you know to stop him from using my name and I want my name back with interest yeah you know give me my interest with my name how much how much would you take to shut up I don't know I shouldn't even say shut up that's disrespectful how much would you take to drop it I don't know I really you know I really couldn't say right now uh uh we'd have to sit down and crunch the numbers because you know I got attorneys that I got to pay too you these guys been helping me out out the kindness of their heart and and and it's put a strain on me you know fighting this case cuz I don't make much money you know I get a few dollars the work that I'm doing right now you know when I go out to high school and speak they don't pay me for that I take books we need a Ross podcast and a Rick Ross t-shirt let's do it let's do it need start selling them on the podcast we do that just that alone man I'm telling you and yeah everywhere I go I see these
machine T-shirts from Berke Cher ber Cher is a comedian friend of ours he told a story on the podcast about getting drunk in Russia and he was saying the wrong he was saying I'm the I'm a machine I'm the machine that's what he was telling all these Russian people he didn't know what the [ __ ] he was saying and he was hammered so it became a a hilarious story that now he sold these shirts that say the machine on the bottom of them these [ __ ] shirts are everywhere I've seen them smart too cuz I got to see him in Dayton he will do the whole machine story like a and it's like a new version of it where he's tightened it up and made like you know like just even put it to the next level and then when he's done he's like and I have machine shirts up front and then like everybody after hearing that amazing story like bye bye yeah you can't go wrong I bet he gets rid of thousands of those [ __ ] things and where I go I see those Des Squad shirts I see Des Squad shirts at every one of our shows I see Des Squad shirts at us C's I see I see them constantly did you see it last night on TV it was on uh America's Got Talent one of the bands was wearing a desk Squad shirt some wow yeah I got that's pull that up pull that up see that's what I'm talking about we need a Rick Ross t-shirt we need a Rick Ross podcast a Rick Ross t-shirt just that alone man just that again you need to get that started yesterday for real cuz you can talk man you're an interesting dude and I see what you're doing on your uh oh that's hilarious Hitler cat on NBC that is that is hilarious and uh I saw what you're doing on your website as well your um your your your website has a lot of news and a lot of news about [ __ ] that's going on in uh in the world as well like you you you you put like little blurbs of things that are happening on your website and people that you're involved with absolutely clients right I I want to be informative you know I want to let the people know because I believe that that just like you you're doing uh it's so much [ __ ] out here that that I want to cut through the [ __ ] and and help the people get something that that can help them you know but I think the most important important the most important thing is for us to get our country back
on track yeah I mean I I love the way America used to be you know and right now I'm not happy with the way it's going I'm not happy with fake it till you make it you know uh just be around the people with money or with the or right now these people would rather hang out with somebody that has money than to go out and try to make some money for themselves so we got to change that you know we got we got to change it to to where you are a star everybody's a star and everybody should be treated like one I don't think that uh you know this guy is a bigger person than you because he has money in the bank or or I'm smarter than you because I don't have any money I think we all created equal uh we all have talents and that we just have to explore everybody in the give everybody an equal opportunity that's a beautiful idea on paper the my my problem with the way this world is screwed up is that it seems like the debt is so considerable it's almost like the whole thing doesn't make sense anymore I don't understand finances that much but when you start talking the trillions of dollars of debt and we talk about like what the interest rate is and you talk about like how much people be paying off and where so security coming from and what when you start like looking at those numbers it's almost like this just seems broken it is broken but the only way it's going to get fixed is we fix it if we don't it's it's going to get worse does it h yeah but that's what I'm worried about I'm worried about does it have to fail before it can be reinvented in a more productive manner is it is that like the destiny of this culture to fail already failed it seems like it has I mean if it hasn't if they don't consider it failed right now we have over 2.3 million people in prison right now yeah we the biggest uh uh incarcerator in the world if that's not a sign that you're failing uh then what is well what's insane is how many of them are in there because they didn't sell a sanction drug they lock this person and it's not like it's not drugs for sale it's not like you can't go to CVS and get [ __ ] up anytime you want especially if you have a prescription but even if you don't have a prescription you can walk in a CVS and just drink till you're dead you know no problem whatsoever but if
someone's selling some unsanctioned substances and there's a a demand in a Supply and they're these dudes selling oxycotton these [ __ ] guys living behind velvet Gates you know no one's coming after them no one they're just collecting they're just watching zeros just they're just sitting in front of the computer logged on their account watching cling cling cling it's like a like a a lottery Bell going off and now here they they giving kids prescriptions because the kid is is is moving around fast they got some drug that they're giving them into sure Ridin Ridin is famous they give kids that are hyperactive but they they're doing Prozac on young kids you know there's a i there's my nextdoor neighbor they were terrible parents terrible parents their [ __ ] kids were always screaming at each other and they didn't know how to handle it and they would scream at each other and there was a a lot of nonsense going on the kids just were [ __ ] Haywire they were haywire and then they started drugging them it was crazy man it was crazy to watch it was like all of a sudden the kids would just be like looking at you I would leave the house and they would be bounc off the wall you try to pull out the driveway excuse me they're [ __ ] in the street jumping off the car you know but that was normal at least that was like what crazy kids do no that's what kids do I mean then you pull your car out there and you see zombie kids yeah just stand same kids just standing there sheflin we we used to call it in jail when they when they would uh it was certain guys that they would put on drugs when we were in jail and and they would just be standing there going back and forth with their feet and and we would call it the the thorine shffle oh so it's awful when they when they put do that to young kids you know cuz that stuff really mess you up it's scary it's scary how many parents just want to calm the little [ __ ] down you know they just can't take it anymore if you don't if you've never had a kid you don't know you don't know how how how frayed people get they just get to the point where they can't take it they can't take it drag him up drag him prepare him to go to prison that's what they do sad put him on thorine and then when he's old enough to say he don't want it anymore then we'll
just put him in prison yeah it is it is pretty [ __ ] pathetic how many dudes when you were in jail were uh were're on different medications oh man the lines be huge and will you can you get them like if you say I'm depressed like oh yeah you can just go to the doctor and give them a a story you hearing noises or really yeah yeah and then what what kind of [ __ ] they give you thorine or or the one that you just said uh Rin or proac Prozac um and when they take those then all of a sudden they just zone out oh they zone out yeah you would see them standing in in a in a on a spot and they just go back and forth raising one foot up after another one in jail it's called a thorine shuffle but all those drugs kind of give them the same type of effect do any guys in jail ever get pain medication oh yeah you can get pain medication if you hurt your back really like what kind of [ __ ] what can you get hopefully they don't give you Viagra in jail no if if it's if it's something strong do it give you Viagra in jail no I don't think so you got to get that in imagine if you take Viagra that a dude snuck in his ass oh that's just seems like a bad path when I was in jail everyone was talking about Hooch you know what Hooch is they make Hooch all the time yeah and I I don't know I didn't never try it is it like homemade alcohol is that what it is yeah yeah yes homemade alcohol so what what do you have to have wrong with you to get pain pills like what kind of pain pills they give out oh you can go in there hurt your back you know and so if you pull the muscle yeah pull the muscle get hurt on the football field up with some oxycotton I don't know if they give you oxycotton now they do have medicine that that they give you and you have to go up and you go to the doctor and they put it in a cup and right there you have to throw it in your mouth drink some water and then open your mouth up so the doctor can look inside and make sure that you took the peel now those pels are like really really uh uh subscri prescription medicine but then they would give you like a uh hprof and you know you can just bring those back to yourself yeah stuff that doesn't get you high is fine right but the those
uh the ones that that get you high they give them to you for I mean this guys to get them for as long as they in there whoa but you have to keep going up to the window every day you know some guys go three times a day to get the medicine but what they'll do is some guys instead of taking it they'll put it under their tongue and get back in the unit and sell it uh that must be a skill you develop how to tuck it and hide it and move I yeah you know if you do it for a couple years you you perfect it is there anything that you would that people would be surprised that you could get in jail you can get cell phones you can get you can get anything in jail that you got on the street if you got if you got money really yeah yeah pretty much anything cocaine haon uh oxycotton crystal meth everything is inside the jail house I would have been like PlayStation and like you know I'll just like something to make it easier just wasting my time in jail you get a steak Yeah just a steak a hot steak well you know the jails now give you PlayStations are you serious yeah that's not bad yeah they have it in the library yeah but if you lose you have to suck someone's dick it's all the old games too it's the ancient pong you get pong yeah Madden One controller too you guys got to share so um so could you get a steak he was asking you get like a fat steak Yeah you can get a steak easy really yeah because they have they have Stakes for the guards no the funnest okay funniest thing ever is what he responds about like I heard about Rick Ross so I get on the phone it's like how do you get on the pH phone wa hold on you're in jail he said it like like it just happened instantaneously like he just jump that's funny yeah you can get you can get pretty much anything in there you know they got they got guys in the kitchen that will cook your meal just the way you want it every day really but you got to have money right how much how much does it take to get a steak uh probably like $5 really wow yeah for PL that's nice but it's hard to get money in jail or can you you got to bring in money I know if you got money on the say if your people got money on the street they can donate it to you no they just send it to your books or say for
instance the guy in the kitchen who cooks he knows you so he gives you credit and then you can just tell your people hey this is the guy's name this is his booking number send him $300 oh and that'll cover you for the whole month Dam or two months or three months so whenever you come in the kitchen he just automatically bring your tray does anybody have it they call it contracts contracts does anybody have it like that scene in Good Fellas where they're in there cooking they got a r pie of Blade and they're choing chopping up the garlic and they're frying steak does anybody have it set up like like they have they have like a cell that's pretty badass damn no no no well you know what wait a minute they do fix their Sal up yeah but not with outside stuff you know they might have an outside radio with outside speakers uh stuff like that there maybe a blanket you know that that come from the outside but you can't have a bed that comes from outside and Good Fellas they had like a whole apartment in jail walking around with slacks on and [ __ ] no no no no you can't have that in the FED they going to make sure everybody has the same bed okay um some guys have special mattresses you know special mattresses yeah yeah you can get a special mattress tell them about the last day before you left when all your guys come in and sleeping yourself oh yeah yeah they stayed uh my last night that I left I left like 4: in the morning so about seven eight guys you know that I studied with and like my best friends at the institution you know we just hung out all night you know ate chips and talked and you know talked about what I was going to do when I got out and wow and you know just a going away party that sounds like you were a loved guy in there man oh yeah yeah I got I had a lot of lot of love in in prison uh you know it's crazy because even in prison um when I play basketball or something like that or football and people want to foul me hard you know the guys be like man you can't do that to Rick you know uh I mean even right now you know it's guys on the street that that want to hurt this dude wow they they come up to me all the time and la like man when I'm going see him I'm almost punch him in the face like Snookie got punched in the face like
snook going to snooky him yeah I was with a uh went by a gym a couple weeks ago and this guy came up to me and he's like big homie when I seen oh man it's on on site I was like huh I was like no man so I I I just get a lot of you know because you know the people know my heart they knew that even though I did something that was wrong it was out of ignorance and not on purpose that I did what I did well your story is very fascinating and for for the people that didn't hear the first time you were in a podcast you were a really good tennis player and you uh essentially I bet you are you look like you're in great shape but you essentially had nowhere to go outside of high school because you couldn't read yeah couldn't read couldn't go to college you couldn't you stuck crazy I stuck myself I mean and and and you know me and Antonio found out that like 65% of the guys in prison can't read wow so that would be one of the first things to do to combat prison okay let's make sure we teach all these guys how to read they don't teach you [ __ ] once you get in there right no you had to force yourself you had to learn yourself you had to learn myself what I you know I had a life sentence so I had I had a a great reason to learn how to read and my Lori was like well I'm not real motivated you don't have much money wow so I'm not he said that to you yeah he told me that he really said that to you I'm not real motivated you don't have much money and you know what he he also told me something that that may be the best thing that he ever did for me in my whole life and he told me these words here he said anytime somebody else wants for you something more than you want it for yourself then you're in trouble so what I took from that is that he was telling me that if I was depending on him to get me out of prison then I was in trouble so I took matters into my own hands only only 1% of people ever give back a federal life sentence and for six years he had one that's amazing it's an it's it's amazing story too it's amazing how uh the whole thing transpired and the fact that you didn't know how to read when you first started on your journey to try to figure out what was wrong with your case that's incredible because I mean you literally from the
ground up how to do it I did from the ground up that's why I know that that just about anybody can do it and what was it like before you could read when you were 28 years old and you would see like some [ __ ] written so I'm like what would it look like you got remember he was rich too so he has to read a lot of things as a rich person yeah right well you know a lot of times I faked it if it was somebody around uh I faked you know that I could read right you know I would look at it as if I had read it and then would pass it on to them like say for contracts when I would go buy a house well I would look at the contract for a little while and try to figure out in my mind how long it would take a person to read the contract that's hilarious and then I would hand it to whoever was with me and tell them to read it and then ask them what do you think about this contract and then they would give me their opinion well I think this and I think that and then I would come up with my own decision from from there so when you were looking at the pieces of paper what were you thinking just 1,001 1,002 I wish I could read I wish I could read 1004 wish I could read I should have studied that's such a weird why why couldn't I learn how to read you know what was wrong with me when I was going to school did anybody around you know that you didn't have to know how to read I don't know cuz I hit it and and you know when you got money what you find out is you get a lot of people around you that that just you know and tell you what you want to hear and they don't question right and they can handle things for you too yeah so you just relied on that yeah what did it look like when you looked at like if you looked at the cover of this Rolling Stone and he saw all these letters I can't remember now CU cuz I can do it I don't know if I would have looked at a rolling stone really I don't know if I would have you know I mean when you can't read you know why are you going to be looking I don't think I ever tried to read a magazine until I got to prison did you like when when you see it do you remember that if you recognize letter I anybody in my family had a magazine when I was growing up wow a magazine wasn't something that would I mean who in my house would have bought a magazine my mother wouldn't have my my
brothers you know uh is there any books I don't think so what kind of books would have been in our house my my brothers was in the same position you know my oldest brother can't read U even right now he has problem reading uh my younger brothers could read but I mean what was they going to read you know they're going to follow in my footsteps and and my older brother footsteps so I don't think they we had books in our house and we got to remember this is like fresh off of Jim Pro this is five years after Jim Crow I think even though we say Jim Crow ended in 65 66 it probably didn't set in until you know the late 70s right yeah it's kind of crazy when you wrap your head around people saying that people need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps I don't think a lot of people understand how bad it is in some areas and they can't even wrap their head around what it is like to grow up where no one else can read yeah it is or no one else tells you that you should read you know in our neighborhood the guys were telling you you crazy for reading you're crazy for reading yeah yeah they going to tell you uh man get you a snatch bar you know go get you a hoe a snatch bar that's what they call it yeah a snatch bar is a uh a piece of equipment that they use to steal cars oh oh oh snatched the inition out with it I thought that was a girl you're talking about snatch said go get you a ho I was like that's did you know what he was talking about snatch far Brian's totally Gangster the the ho was the girl you know cuz we stayed on Figora so right man get you a ho that's put the book down you're being silly yeah and you not going to make it get you a sack slang get you a pistol and Rob how many people around you were when you were growing up were not doing crime well I was growing up P yeah I don't know was just constant everywhere yeah yeah crime was accepted in my community crime was accepted that was one of the things that they were really fascinated about me lasting so long in the drug business is that my neighbors allowed me to do it I mean my neighbors could have had me arrested immediately because they knew what I was doing I've even had neighbors to one time I stashed some some drugs inside a brick wall in
between my mom's house and my neighbor's house and it fell through the fence into her yard and so she picks up I don't know maybe like $200,000 worth of dope oh my God she takes it in her house and then uh she tells my mom uh tell Rick to come by here and see me and so when when when I come my mom say uh Mary Joyce said come and see her and instantly I knew I knew what it was you know instantly so I go over there and I was like you know got my head down you know all set cuz this lady is like my auntie we grew up next to her and then she says I got your bag in the room uh whenever you get ready for it just tell me to bring it to you whoa so you know when I I go get the bag then the next day I have guys to come over and do like a $5,000 paint job on her house you know go paint that house nice that's a smart way to handle it man that's the Diplomatic way of uh keeping the community happy yeah you got to and and and that was the kind of Goodwill that I got in my in my neighborhood now she was anti-drugs cuz her daughter was was on drugs was on drugs before I started selling drugs her daughter used to be on PCP and was all strung out but she respected what I did and she allowed me to to to conduct my business in her neighborhood but TR I ran it respectfully too you know wasn't no guns wasn't no gang bangers was nobody going to get robbed over there you know I made sure that you're not going to come over here doing no robbing how did you keep it so civil how I mean how did you avoid the normal pitfalls well I was willing to do whatever it took you know I was a police around there I police my neighborhood wow you know you you do something around here you know I'm I'm going to deal with you that's amazing like how much of an area did you control uh Los Angeles at one time that's amaz I mean you know if if it was a time man when the when a certain set of the Christian Bloods would get into it and they would come and report to me man you know those guys did such and such and we going to retaliate out hold up let me go talk to him wow so you know and a lot of my guys say that that I really put on the first peace treaty you know because for the first time that we
ever saw man it was Crips and blood selling drugs on the same streets wow and I mean you know money money will make you work together you know money will make you work is that what brought the Crips and the Bloods together not the end the the the the the time in when Rodney King happened that's what brought them together Rodney King yeah but they they had been working together before that they had sold drugs together Crips and bloods had sold drugs together in the 80s oh I see and Rodney King he recently passed away something drug drug related wasn't it he drowned or something like that yeah got too high I don't I don't know what it was yeah that's what I had read there in his system he had a lot of stuff it's amazing that uh that that sort of opened up people's eyes to what the [ __ ] could happen you get pulled over by the police like a lot of times people they had heard stories yeah but whoever sees it I got I done experience it see all these scars in my face yeah that's flashlight therapy baby oh [ __ ] yeah I didn't had the dog bite me up while I was handcuffed oh God I got the boot marks in my back you know where they stomp me and and no man I didn't been through it I I was Rodney King like four or five years before Rodney King most people people who have never seen that before Rodney King had no idea that that could go on unless you saw like the video from the Chicago uh was it the Democratic Convention in the 60s where the the cops beat the [ __ ] out of those kids yeah there was a some some convention in the 60s where the cops just beat the [ __ ] out of these kids with clubs and it was horrific because it was on TV and people got to see it for the first time in the news it was before Kent State when they shot those kids who were protesting the Vietnam War yeah yeah and it was um it was one of the first times but then the Rodney King one was like a recent one you know it wasn't the news doing it it was one of the first ones where people with a camera cuz the whole camera thing was like a fairly new thing where a regular person would have a video camera before you would have to be a guy was making movies or some [ __ ] right but it got to the point where the technology got to the like the common person could have a video camera and then boom they could
catch someone doing something now they got guys in South Central that got little cameras that they strapped to their chest and walk around with it and and and I forgot what they call them but uh they have them on all the time all the time and they said that's the way they keep the police off of Brian Brian has glasses I have glasses and a pen like it looks like a big pen but it's like does HD oh yeah yeah you can just set it down on you know and record HD and yeah they have that spy shop where that's all they specialize in like [ __ ] that you can like wear hats and stuff that film and things along those lines yeah I was with uh with a with a guy the other night and he had this thing I was like man what's that on your chest he said oh that's my police camera he said they can't cut it off either cops got busted recently slamming some girl to the ground picked her up and slammed her twice you see why she got pulled over though no what she got pulled over for a um a cell phone ticket that's it wow yeah oh my God it was a cell phone ticket oh my god there cell phone tickets you know they they're they're saying that's like like $120 but everyone I know that has got one it's been like $800 $900 for why is it that fees or something yeah like there's all these extra [ __ ] charges to it and stuff what damn well I guess that's why they slammed it to the ground it was $800 [ __ ] owes money pay up that's ridiculous pay up the enforcer I think cops are used to doing that I think they've been doing that since the beginning of time have you heard of that one cop that they found in Florida that might be a serial killer yeah with the wife no a different guy I know that guy too but another guy who uh pulled over two uh separate people said yeah said he brought them to the Circle K and uh dropped them out and then there's no video at the Circle K the security camera does not show him or the guy there there's no evidence of him making calls that he alleges he makes and he also runs like searches on these people and says that he doesn't even know who they are like I don't even remember meeting anybody like I don't know like he's had like three different stories I found the car abandoned like he's got all these different stories but
meanwhile both guys are completely off the face of the Earth they vanished and there's just people that he just pulled over for speeding or for whatever Dexter Morgan yeah one guy like Mom was like interviewing she's like he would definitely call me if he was alive I was like wow yes I heard that that Wasa yeah the Latino guy didn't even speak English they were both from Mexico and him and his brother were separated the cop took his brother said he's going to drop him off a circle just killed this [ __ ] just probably who knows you know I think they I think human beings when they we they get into a position of power they lose objectivity and they start looking at it as a US versus them thing you know especially I I don't know Joe I think that's a pessimistic view a little bit because I look at Rick and I I think that one of the aspirational parts of him is that he got into power and he shared it I mean you it's not everyone sure but I think for the most part that is how people behave I mean that's how cops behave it's not every cop that behaves like that obviously I know a lot of good cops especially from Jiu-Jitsu from martial arts I'm always around cops and I know a lot of them that are really cool but I know a lot of cops that are [ __ ] you know and it's just it just is what it is and and I think the ones like this serial killer guy you know and the the ones like uh the guy who slams those people on the ground I mean those those guys exist you know it's uh and they have absolute power yeah but how about the [ __ ] kid who was handcuffed and shot himself in the back of the head yeah in a in in the car in a police in the backseat of a police car handcuffed they didn't find a gun on him but he had a gun so he pulls out the gun and shoots himself in the head hm like wow like what and I think it was for like a DUI or something crazy right was it it wasn't even like anything that that serious it wasn't like he was going to go go to jail for the rest of his life not that you know a DUI isn't serious but I don't know if it's serious enough to get you to kill yourself yeah I should I should actually say what the [ __ ] that is I should I should Google that man handcuff I saw Louis CK last night at The Improv and man that guy's rolling around like a rockar now he sold
out two shows at the thing and then went to The Comedy Store and sold out the main room in 20 like 20 minutes yeah and he had a midnight show and I think he like sold the tickets like in cash door cash only that's hilarious and and wow man all new material uh how was it I wasn't even allowed in the room that's how crazy packed it was I couldn't even look in the room at the comedy store which is if you know the comment you know if you're a regular usually can like sit in the back or like look in the back couldn't even do that was two pack that's amazing man but everyone said it was amazing shows yeah Ari asked me if I wanted to go but I was too tired um I'm trying to find out what this kid did I don't know they just this this I don't want to keep looking but the whole thing's crazy like that a person could handcuff handcuff shoot themsel in the temple I mean and Joe that's part of that is the the danger of this of this rapper and we did an article on Loop 21 uh called uh uh Rick Ross Hip Hop's war against black men where we really talk about the danger of putting out these Perpetual criminal black men images yeah and uh we looked more at Trayvon at that time and just discussed the reality and this is an interview of me and Rick and we discussed the reality of when you put that image out how it creates fearmongering not only amongst uh the cops but also regular citizens like Zimmerman yeah and people just have that already in their head when they when they see the see see uh Trayvon with the IC tea walking on absolutely insane yeah it's the the Perpetual um criminal image really in in uh in like the way it entered into white Society was uh gangster rap in the 80s CU before that it's like there was never any entertainers that would brag about being criminals like that [ __ ] didn't exist it never existed in rock and roll there was a little bit of like a shot of man and Reno just to watch him die I mean that was about as crazy as it got you know it never got like NWA I mean I remember I was a kid and I was listening to NWA while I was on I was on a stair climber and I was like this is the craziest [ __ ] I've ever heard listen to what the [ __ ] they're saying like this is nuts like they are just out and I was thinking man society is going down the
[ __ ] this is craziness absolutely and then you look at that cover you you come back to the question that you asked why does he have to look like that was that the whole photo shoot or was that just the craziest shot that they found in the photo shoot at least he doesn't have a gun on him at least he's not like holding a diamond trusted gun come on pull up your pants yeah what is what is this saging thing man put on a shirt yeah and just take a nice picture he say he has take a nice picture take a nice picture for church go to Owen Mills this [ __ ] underwear photo look at his underwear it's so silly what that what that picture is is I don't care but they do have a picture of him in there in his uniform in his in his correctional officer uniform oh do they really yeah they do when he get his award you know he was the best CEO at the at the Academy the best what do you have to do to be the best perfect attendant that's what you got a war for uh get a guy that got an extra stamp and extra soup oh yep there's a picture of him a guy a guy that kissed his girlfriend too long on the visit and you you bust his ass and put him in the hole is that what he does yeah or they rapping over there and then you you break up the rap group and and steal all the lyrics oh give me all those papers do you think he stole lyrics from people too oh absolutely for sure yeah he doesn't write his own music is there a lot of rappers in jail that are talented guys that are stuck in yeah really guys and jail got stories you know they they they they they they've been there zoom in on that that's him with his outfit on yeah and you see it live that is that's so ridiculous it's so strange to see why didn't put that why didn't put that on the cover no but look at the cover and then look at the look at it's two different people it's two different people that beard does look like Ali G and the dictator yeah ah that beard looks Brian see if you can pull up anything about his beard being I tried I tried looking for it yeah I didn't [ __ ] looks fake I'm going with it's fake even if it's not fake who cares the whole thing is silly it's silly and ridiculous listen man we I hope the one thing that we got out of
this podcast is we started the Rick Ross podcast that's what you need to do and by the way just call it the Rick Ross podcast and this fool is going to get you millions of listeners almost immediately and you could spell it out at the beginning of every podcast just nice and clean and simple if you go into this podcast thinking that it's Rick Ross the rapper you've been misled this is the real Rick Ross that Rick Ross the rapper ripped his name off from you know why because I was one of the most successful drug dealers in the history of the United States and I went to jail and he thought I was going to jail for life but I learned how to read in jail and I got out because I found a hole in the [ __ ] case and now here I am on the Rick Ross podcast boom that's the beginning of every episode they would listen to that and then every kid who would listen to it who was probably a Rick Ross fan the the fake guy the rapper would listen to that first couple seconds just you saying if you thought this was Rick Ross the rapper nope this is the dude that Rick Ross stole his [ __ ] name from the real people would be like what stole his name and they get out their phones and start googling [ __ ] that alone might take this dude down or at least get him to pay yeah well we got a lot of pressure on it man I mean we every time he comes out with something if you really search the internet like that roller Stone article came out on that Friday right and we did a release a letter Rick uh Rick Rick and I sat down I got his ideas and we did a letter and for the whole weekend when you searched Rick Ross Rolling Stone you can search it right now check it on Google if you search Rick Ross Rolling Stone like the top provides are our stuff and look like if you just do Rick Ross you your thing that comes up news for Rick Ross is you you know so like people like that are searching for him automatically see the number one news thing is is a interview with you show them Rick Ross Rolling Stone on Google the whole thing is crazy the whole it's a it is America's crazy though America's crazy it's definitely bizarre you got a phone call to make right tell you how to find the be oh okay the fake beard thing that's funny he's he's determined to let the world know about this fake beard thing no no
that's my trademark he stole my trademark the beard as well the name's not enough he went and got a fake beard I mean if you find out that beard is fake that is so you going to see right now you f to see I haven't seen just that statement you fin to see oh man I can't I can't wait I can't wait to see it God I hope it's really good you find it Brian you know what to search for now on YouTube oh I got to see this I got to fake beard come on son that's ridiculous we that's going to be the rap right there that's ridiculous but the internet levels the whole planing field in terms of like even if if mass media doesn't want to cover certain things what the internet allows us to do is is immediately put pressure through oh wow when did you notice the most the most impact look at this that's not is that him no that's not him that's how you do it I guess how that's how the style of how you do it you fill it in oh well go to him man let's find him this is just a dude getting I think this is what they're talking about no what they're saying is how you fill it in if if it isn't coming in all together oh okay you add to it yeah yeah but we got to see him do it though I don't think they have him do it oh my god oh there's no there's no actual Rick Ross footage of him getting his no no no okay damn we're just speculating that's not good enough you want facts yeah we got to find out the actual facts we can't just talk [ __ ] on the dude there's enough [ __ ] to talk [ __ ] on anyway I mean how is how is this guy saging look at this look at this stuff they use oh they're putting paste on his face that's like that that spirit gum that you use for like fake mustaches it looks like which is like a really sticky old men use it on their head yeah glue and then then it looks like they're no they're they're gluing some fake hair on this Fool's face oh wow this is not just a like the the the spray on hair [ __ ] this is like fake actual hairs are in there oh oh this is crazy oh that's disgusting that's exactly how look how stupid that looks yeah that's exactly how he does it though I mean it's but look how stupid that looks who would want a beard that looks like that a superhero all right yeah that's like a wax figure it looks perfect though so
weird that's so weird look at that booger that is a very strange a perfect a perfect beard that's a strange thing to do with your [ __ ] time I don't even want mine perfect no more yeah you're better off the way you are that looks like that looked like Madness that looks like a crazy person like he's determined to get that [ __ ] perfectly smooth it's creepy what is the best thing that's come out of this man well uh out of my whole life the best thing that's come out now is that I'm able to go back and tell kids the real story you know how a person can go from being a tennis player uh to selling drugs you know almost over night you know one day I was a tennis player and the next day I'm a drug dealer um so it's not like they tell you that this big mean Monster is going to come down and start you to selling drugs one of my best friends start me selling drugs he showed me cocaine for my first time he explained he EXP explain it to me uh he sold me on the idea and what I think is so important that these kids know that that's how you're going to get induced to drugs not by some stranger uh not from Rick Ross the drug dealers not going to come down and and introduce you to drugs you know it's going to be somebody close to you so I think with me using my experience and my story to to educate the world you know I believe that that that we definitely need educating and um that's what I'm doing now you know we doing a a documentary called cracking the system uh we still underfunded doing it with Mark Levan uh Mark Lev the HBO director who just did uh prayer for a perfect season and uh lost on long is hard times it's nominated for some emmies we expect to we we expect to get some Oscar nods on this documentary it's that powerful there's so many different facets and phases of your life it's so interesting to have your you know running Los Angeles phase to being incarcerated with no hope of escaping phase figuring out how to read phase to now educating kids phase this is uh I mean what is the what is it like to be at this phase of your life now like reflecting back on all the The Madness of the previous phases it it's like wow you know uh uh this is
what you had to go through to become who you are today you know had I not went through all those scenarios had I not been bitten by the dog beaten in the head with flashlights had drugs planted on You by the police could I be able to rationalize all the things that I rational with right now you know being able to sit in prison with a guy that you gave his first drug to and he has a life sentence and at one time we both got life life sentences you know this guy wanted to be like me so much that he not only copied me but he also went to prison with me had a life sentence with me we walked the track and then I have to walk when I walked out of prison to to leave him there uh all these things shape me for who I am today and I I believe that that's what gives me the ability to be able to walk in a board room with an ay Emanuel or Jeff bird or Michael Linton and then I can leave from there and go to South Central to watchs and go to Jordan High School and sit there and talk to the kids how many dudes get out after long stretches like that and they become institutionalized and they can't take the regular world I think it's it's it's it's a lot I mean even myself I was institutionalized when I was in prison I mean because I function in prison uh at a high level you know prison didn't affect me you know like right now even when when I got into it with my PO and he was talking about sending me back I was like send me back for a year a year is nothing you know I can do a year on on a handstand you know so I believe that it's very easy to get institutionalized it's very easy to start to go with the flow start to like being there uh to to to say that the world on the outside is not real you know that being in here is is is what's real I mean I had a friend uh I just heard a couple weeks ago he did 20 years flat with me we started out at the same time matter of fact he started out a little before I did and uh before that he had did juvenile hall and and had been incarcerated all his life well just the other week he went and did one of the stupidest crimes that that that you you can't believe it he almost had a life sentence for crack cocaine he went and sold somebody two ounces of crack cocaine out he um and now he's back in
jail and he's looking at a life sentence all over again or 20 years God damn the the guy and the guy is intelligent this guy graduated from college while he was in prison he went to college he got degrees I mean just a brilliant guy but did he move right back home to his like own old sty he had nowhere else to go where was he going to go yeah know I mean you know you get out of jail you do 20 years you don't have anything you don't have anybody I mean you know he was lucky that his father took him in and you know he just sled back in you know to to to what he knew you know I I think drugs becomes like a crutch for the seller you know where if something goes wrong he knows how to fix it and that's go out and sell him some drugs and you know now I got a place to live I got gas in my car I'm eating uh I'm respectful again you know do you think that any of that could ever be stopped is there a a I mean you must have spent a lot of time thinking about the whole system of illegal drug trade and you know what got you into is there a way to ever stop that what we're going to have to give real opportunity not fake opportunity uh like so many people are selling right now you know so many people right now are selling Us fake opportunity when there's really no opportunities there's no Manufacturing jobs you know they send all our jobs overseas I mean if you want to be operator you got to go to India you know uh so what what we're going to have to do is figure out how we can make our people feel important again how how do you make a a person feel important can that stop drugs though can that stop the sale of drugs and if drugs are illegal are they always going to be wanted is it always going to be a market for them that's a criminal Market absolutely I believe that the only way we can solve this drug problem is with education because like you said as long as there's a demand for drugs there's going to be a supplier once we in the demand then the suppliers will automatically go away because they're not going to be standing around holding drugs that nobody want right so we got to educate people that's a high level of Education the point where they don't want drugs because even this [ __ ] loves drugs he's always I think that there's one thing
inside of what Rick is saying that's very powerful and we got to realize that when the seller is selling his drug isn't only the money it's the power and the respect and if you can find an alternate way for that person I'm not saying get the same level of respect but be respected then you can give them an alternate route that isn't as dangerous they might choose that over the extra money oh for sure yeah well everybody would most certainly choose a Karma free uh form of success over success that involves like real dangerous [ __ ] and going to jail and get and shot it's just uh how do we get people to Aspire that High I mean we got to we got to do a lot of work on the the culture of this country of the just the the way we just the way we raise human beings I mean all of this from Snookie to this ridiculous nonsense that we feed each other it's like it's okay if it's just you at the airport picking it up and laughing but it's the people that actually get influenced by that influenced by this ding-dong culture of nonsense and and fake drug sales and and fake shooting people it's like what what are we promoting like what the [ __ ] are we doing is it just a a a mad money grab and these people do it with no responsibility I mean they don't have any responsibility I I think that if you allow a magazine to put a guy in there who's saying that I sell drugs they should be held accountable for that I mean cuz all I did in selling drugs let me tell you what I did in selling drugs really because you know I didn't manufacture the drugs right all I did was got the drugs from one guy and hand them to another guy so if you handing off drug information then you should you should be liable for that type of information if you putting out records were you telling kids to go out and sell drugs to Parlay that into a record care it's funny cuz that sounds outlandish but like when we look at NWA you talked about them earlier the FBI went after NWA when cops started getting shot up after after NWA came out with the cop killing song the FBI had made an attempt to charge NWA wasn't that IC te actually wasn't that cop they had one too had cop [ __ ] the police [ __ ] the police but the FBI went after them under the concept that they're perpetuating image they're
they're putting out that's making people do this and the same thing goes that's what what it should go it should go it should go but they're making money off the drug trade in a in a sort of a peripheral entertainment based way right that's what it is yeah so they really are making money off the glamorization of the drug trade but you you you you forget the other part of it which is I mean sometimes you see I don't know if you've ever seen where they'll rip down a building just to create the jobs that build the building back up what they're making money off of now is actually ripping down black men's lives in some of these cases because like what's happening is these black men come out in these areas and I'm a former prosecutor here in LA and these black men are born into certain areas where they're crime riddled they're drug they're drug uh infested and then essentially they go out and they sell the drugs and instead of fixing the drug problem by saying we not going to let the drugs in community no more what they do is is then push them into prison but you got to remember it's not just pushing them into prison there's jobs all along the way which is like somebody got to type in uh his name somebody got to uh file his his paperwork these are jobs for everybody else other than the black people that that get to uh basically manage this this destruction of these this man's life yeah there is unquestionably a whole industry involved in keeping people locked up there's an industry involved in going after people there's an industry involved and even making sure the people continue to commit crimes making sure the things that even shouldn't even be crimes stay crimes so they can keep people in jail and that's hard for people to accept especially those non-nonsense Mitt Romney loving dudes yeah oh that's not the way things work you're crazy conspiracy theorist but no that that really is the way we're going to pay $40,000 to keep you in prison but we're not going to give you a job where you can make $18,000 a year and then you won't commit a crime it's crazy how many people are in jail and I don't think most people understand that the numbers in America are higher than anywhere else in the world I this is the crazy part is uh the numbers in America right now are about 700 per 100,000 like
the highest the highest that you've seen basically in the world but the highest rate ever in a recorded nation is about 800 per 100,000 that was in Russia during the during the uh War camps um the high the during the African apartheid for the Africans that were oppressed it was like 852 per 100,000 for black men today between 25 and 35 it's 10,000 per 100,000 that are in prison holy [ __ ] 10 times the highest rate ever and and the thing is it's not even part of the the the DNC convention at all no no no discussion of it as a platform so you have all these when you watch the convention and funny enough this is no degrade but it's it's a lot of African-American women well if your father or your brother or your uncle's in prison you should demand that that's part of their platform how how is that not part of their platform like that that they address why all these men have went to prison for nonviolent offenses for as long as they have yeah when the numbers are that high it seems like that's a social academic yeah it's an epidemic they have to they have to figure out what caused that that situation and treat it like an outbreak of a disease like there's something [ __ ] terribly wrong in this one area this one area how what was the number again 10,000 per it's 10 10,000 100 for for black men between 25 and 35 overall is 5,000 per 100,000 so that tells you to old ones aren't as aren't going to prison as as much as the young ones it's a it's a scary number that's a terrifying number cuz 10,000 for 100,000 what that's 10 one in 10 yeah one and 10 that's insane yeah one in 10 in jail that's not even counting the ones that are that that are cycling that doesn't even make sense that seems like it's impossible because you think about how many people are actually in the hood it's not all black guys are in the hood so a lot of black guys are grow growing up in Suburban neighborhoods you have to factor in the hood must be way higher than 1 in 10 it's probably 50% it's probably something nutty like that and don't talk about unemployment or something like that you know when they talk about these numbers like 15% or I think like it's 50% that's not me you know what the numbers are they're only people who haven't been looking when when people stop looking the the numbers
don't show up like my brothers they're not looking for jobs they don't even count on unemployment I mean I don't I don't understand unemployment rates I don't I don't know I don't understand how a president can create jobs either when they talk we've created 100,000 jobs like what did you what did you do to create jobs legalize something yeah that's it right yeah no [ __ ] man it's a strange world we have to figure out a way to make it profitable for evil companies to make people smarter and and clean up crime if we could figure out a way to take halberton out of Iraq and have them rebuild South Central make it a you know trillion dollar contract to rebuild [ __ ] up areas with would that be an amazing way to use resources ABS I mean if you think lithium in South Central though there's not but yeah the way if you really believe that's why we're in Afghan or Iraq yeah if you um but you got to think that there is got to be some benefit in the resource of human beings and developing developing intelligent human beings Joe Rogan this is a this is a country that had slavery like let's be honest by the way every country had slavery every single country not only that most of them still do I wonder how many countries Still Rock I mean including America I mean we're not we're not we're playing games if we pretend that we don't have slavery here because all people that are here without green cards are working for cash essentially are slaves all those poor [ __ ] who can't get they can't get a green card you know you sneak over here from Mexico man good luck you sneak over here from anywhere else good good luck you you got to exist you know dayto day hoping you don't get found out you're never going to make more than a certain amount of money unless you do something illegal you know I mean and how many people are slavery in other countries where they take people's passports away and they make them work on construction sites there's a lot of slavery still going on they're always busting people here and there for a basement full of indentured servants you know it's it's it's like slavery officially went away but it's still there's parts of the world where slavery is pretty goddamn commonplace that's amazing in 2012 where that [ __ ] up yeah you know imagine you'd imagine
that that was something we could have got rid of what's amazing when you think of how recent slavery in the United States was yes it is couple hundred years ain't [ __ ] no it's not even couple hundred years did you there was a PBS special there was a PBS special called slavery by another name I had Rick watch it the guy that that that did the documentary worked for the Wall Street Journal and what he showed is that while we ended the we ended slavery with the Emancipation Proclamation in 1860s we didn't really end slavery till 1945 that's when the FBI when you said my brother is being held as a slave on this Farm that's the first time the FBI went and investigated so for 80 years they just let it go they just let it go and then this is the kicker they I didn't I mean he showed that between 1865 and 19 like 60 only one white person was ever convicted of a murder of a black man one time wow and these are these are I just the Democratic National Convention again didn't talk about any of that whoa they didn't see the documentary oh yeah see you know there's there's people that will get angry when someone talks about reparations for slavery but if if you don't think that the culture needs to put a certain amount of emphasis on something that happened in the previous Century that you know I mean if that's really 1940 the previous Century that might control like the fate of millions and millions and millions of Americans that are in [ __ ] up situations it just seems like to me I've always said this I'll say it one more time the the society is stronger when you have less losers it would seem to me that if you really wanted to make America better you don't go to foreign countries you take all the the kids that are growing up [ __ ] up and you figure out a way to get them counselors you figure out a way to bring in sports you figure out a way to get them education you figure out a way to it seems to be way cheaper to do that than it would be to go to Afghanistan with tanks you know you would send this cocaine worse than crack then too what's that I said you would send this cocaine worse than crack too that seems like logical as well that that whole thing is silly isn't it crack is worse than cocaine if for as far as
sentencing right y 100 times worse they moved it to 18 and didn't do it retroactive 100 times worse it was s 100 times worse so so to put it in context so people can understand for five little rocks you got sentenced the same amount as if you had half a kilo wow that's crazy and it's not just about the size of it it's the realization that only a few people would get to a half a kilo level of sales everybody does this five rock cells level so it was just to pull crackheads off the street at will they could just lock everybody in jail as long as they wanted to and when was when were private prisons introduced into the society probably around 80 89 something like that early we should find out huh we should know that seems like uh that seems like a [ __ ] huge Reagan Era mistake you know when were private prisons invented but I know they definitely corrupted the system when you let big corporations get into prisons you know you know that number like I gave you earlier black male black imprisonment in the 70s was like 10% 92 first happened in the United Kingdom in 1992 they figured it out these [ __ ] adds a lot of jobs to the economy though yeah crazy yeah I guess it does right yeah you got to have somebody to process file the paperwork you got correctional officers feeding them yeah like will somebody got to feed them you know grow the food even though they grow the food their but they won't uh they won't feed that food to the prisoners actually in the United States in in in England they started in the 90s but the United States they've been doing it since the 1800s beginning in 1868 convict leases were issued to private parties to supplement their Workforce and then that's part in this documentary slavery by another name as well what they showed is that is that chase JP Morgan after slavery ended in 1865 what they did effectively is they would make it a crime for you not to have a job it's called vagy law and then once they captured you they would give you like three days but once you couldn't pay that your fees made it so like it was just longer and longer and then they would throw you in the mine to
work it off and then you would die in the mine that's essentially what they're saying here they're saying that farmers and businessmen needed to find replacements for the labor force once their slaves had been freed yeah so beginning in 1868 convict leases were issued to private parties to supplement their Workforce that's [ __ ] crazy they just found a loophole they made people go right back to slavery by just locking them up in jail so jail really essentially private prisons are a an offshoot of slavery it really is an extension SL there's something called the pig law that was uh and it's funny because the number is more important than the name of the law the pig law the minimum sentence if you stole if you were a black guy you stole a white guy's Pig you you were given five years in a felony status well the mandatory minimum for crack is five years in a felony status wow so I mean so they're not you know too genius with they so what happens was in what they did was they did this in the 1960s after the um after slavery was instituted was made illegal but then in the 1980s that's when [ __ ] kicked into the next level and that was the crack epidemic the crack epidemic actually opened up the door to uh ushering a new era of private uh private prisons absolutely it's amazing man they they realize they can make money yeah absolutely and then and then if you look at this music this music doesn't help because it perpetuates and and it almost like uh it's like Viagra with sex you tell you listen to this music you become a little violent angry little person and then you do something that you you normally might not do if you listen to Marvin Gay it's true you know it's a good point you won't hurt nobody listen to Marvin Gay yeah modern private prison business first emerged and established itself publicly in 1984 when the corrections Corporation of America was awarded a contract to take over a facility in Hamilton County Tennessee how much would it suck to go to jail in Hamilton County Tennessee H when these [ __ ] passed that law yeah they would put you in his mind and then you wouldn't even see the light a day and they would and the thing about being a a prisoner versus a slave they said is that at least as a slave you
were property so they has some value for you as property but when you're a prisoner they just throw you away so then they didn't they treat you worse unbelievable they would just call the jail and tell him oh he died yeah prison is worse than slavery you have there's a benefit for you being able to work to be healthy so there's a benefit of them feeding you and and keeping you alive private companies in the United States operate 264 Correctional Facilities holy [ __ ] private prisons there's two 264 of them in this country they house almost 999,000 adult convicts this is insane man that's crazy that's a scary scary scary statistic it just makes you really wonder who's paying attention to any of this while everybody's going over gay marriage what about gay marriage like you need to pay attention to the craziness at the base of our society well look what they did with the crack law now they said okay the crack law was wrong we going to make it 18 to one but there's guys that been in prison 25 30 years right now selling crack and there's no retroactive they didn't make it if they made it 18 to1 for them they get out tomorrow man and the life is just wasted they they don't want to take a chance and they can make money off you being inside and then the crazy part about the crack sing law is and I asked another Deus that had more experienced in myself is there any law on the books nonviolent that's punished that way and he said no I mean and so it's a racist law we we met the guy we met the guy who wrote it he said that there's no law before or he's in our documentary cracking the system you guys got to check it out when it comes out uh we let us when is it going to be out uh next year when it comes out come here come here again and we'll pump that [ __ ] through the roof we have him and Rick sitting on the couch and he he looks at Rick dead eyed and and apologizes to Black America he says I put more black men in prison that anybody alive he said that I've never seen a law before or after it that was written that way without he they didn't do no investigation of DA they didn't talk to DEA agents they didn't talk to lab Specialists they just wrote the law so they just wanted to figure out a way
where they can get people in jail that aren't even going to complain and they did it during the era when there must have been some pressure to clean up the streets because crack epidemic was crazy I remember the EP even some of the people who who now are against it was crying out to to you know uh to change it yeah man that's [ __ ] nuts but yeah definitely uh uh uh as soon as we we got we still raising some money we got to raise a few more hundred grand for this cracking the systems but uh what we did is we've been going around investigating doing all our work you know going over archive footage of of Ronald Reagan talking about we got Ronald Reagan talking about crack cocaine right we got we we got a cop that was in that did five years for for basically planning drugs and for the first time ever he's on camera and he looks like [ __ ] the Nero or somebody classic so we got we got him uh basically talking about what drove him to plant drugs and to actually take money because you know you come in we're talking about 1980 you come into a house with a 15-year-old kid in there and there's $60,000 on on the floor which is like $300,000 today yeah you're you know there's a lot of things that go through your mind he and he goes through the process of how you get to the point where you take 150 and you report 150 right and how his family needed things and it's just crazy this Doc is going we going we going to win Oscar with this one wow I can't wait to see it definitely come in right before it happens man come in right before you release it we'll we'll blow that [ __ ] thing up and um one other question what's the most realistic movie on the drug trade is there any realistic movies uh did I saw uh like blow was that realistic blow was close yeah that's why I let Nick write my uh my script oh is the same guy is writing your script yeah yeah blow was really close what's his name Nick what Nick cavetti cavetti yeah he's supposed to direct the movie for us uh when is that gonna happen we working on that right now too is two short gonna play you no two short I spoke to two taller he play you your facially you guys look similar a little bit you must have know I been two short had a conversation last night no I'm just a two Short fan is that right okay great rapper I'll let
him know yeah please do man I love that guy have to bring him next time he's in town I'll bring him through please do please do yeah what uh what actor is going to play you we don't know yet uh uh we tinkering with with quite a few people I talked to Jamie Fox about a week ago Jamie Fox can do anything that guy can become anybody when when I saw Ray Charles I was like nobody else could have done that and then when they said he was gonna play Mike Tyson I was like he could do it he could do it hey tell him pull up the picture with him him and Jamie on it so he could uh he could play Mike Tyson and everybody's like what he doesn't look anything like Mike he could get to look like Mike Tyson and he could play it he could do it I know he could do it Jamie had the beard and everything cuz he was doing J Jango and chain oh that's right qu that coming out de December I saw the ads for it a while ago supposed to come out December I hate when they do that they get your dick hard like 6 months in advance for a good movie and then you wait we going we going we going to knock him out with this one here this this is the real Scarface wow I mean this is your real life story that's what and that's what really trips me out about about Hollywood is you know when you come with a real story they don't really get that same type of drive for yesterday somebody come to me right they want to hire me as a consultant to go on a TV show about a gangster in South Central Los Angeles I'm like well why are you guys doing a fictional story when you got the real thing right here oh well it's probably too scary for them there a picture right there yeah yeah he could totally play you yeah and what's crazy is we were talking to the uh guy that did uh Benjamin buttons yeah how you would make him look 20 again it was giving us all the special effects oh yeah you could do amazing [ __ ] did you see that movie Tron where they took uh what's what's homeboy's name um the [ __ ] older dude I want to say William Hurt but that's not him no it's Jeff Bridges briges Jeff Bridges they turned Jeff Bridges back to where he was when he was like 20 years old Benjamin buttons they did that with Brad Pit yeah yeah they could do anything it's as far as that but as far as like pulling it off Jamie you got to get
Jamie Fox he played that Homeless dude who was the the music virtuoso like he could do anything man he's just one of those dudes he just no matter what he seems like when he's just talking and interview and [ __ ] around when it comes down to actual acting he's one of those dudes who can become a different guy there's only a few of those Russell Crow you know Daniel de Lewis type dudes out there but Jamie Fox can do the [ __ ] out of that that Ray Charles man God damn it that's phenomenal and then when you realize he's actually singing that [ __ ] that's what's even crazier like Jamie Fox is a [ __ ] incredible singer too yeah and the thing about our script the way it's written it's like a mix between traffic I say traffic uh blow and like boys in the hood No Scarface No Scarface at all in there Scarface too and that's what I was going to tell you the interest let me say one more thing about Scarface because we met with the producer of Scarface and it's interesting because you're were sitting and watching Scarface remember that 83 is like around the same time as Rick and like when Scarface goes over overseas to the to the connection he's talking about like what he 100 Keys a month Rick was doing that a day it's like a so like it's like get your weight up Scarface face just got clowned but this story this story actually has uh International appeal just like I saying like Costa Rica times picked up the spin article oh it's fascinating so we have the way it's written it's not just Rick it's like 60% 50% black 30% Latino and then uh the other the remainder is white so you have the reporter and you have uh the the politicians you have the Latina the nicaraguans and then you have Rick story so this just has a phenomenal uh reach for everybody who uh who likes different as of of those kind of movies cool yeah that sounds pretty [ __ ] incredible man and you know so you you have't they don't have the the the the script's done but they don't have it cast they don't have a projection when it's going to start yeah we still raising a budget right now uh you could s craco can make a lot of money dude what the [ __ ] Brian didn't you learn from the story the story is so important no you do you have a Kickstarter account because that's seems like one of the the best ways to raise a
bunch of money especially for a movie or something like that Kickstarter and if you ever have something like that please come back and we'll promote the [ __ ] out of it anything you guys want anytime you want just let me know okay and you can come back we enjoyed the [ __ ] out of this as well as the last time you know you're a cool [ __ ] and your story is amazing and thank you dude very thank you very much for all the information that you distributed today and I think you guys have a great message you know I think you know both of you guys are doing uh amazing [ __ ] appreciate you having us on man and hopefully I continue to grow friends from from being on your show you know oh will I go places and people call I saw you on Joe Rogan you know Ricky unquestionably man listen we we will help you blow up just like we help everybody else man I appreciate all y'all out there who support me I love you yeah we got some cool people that are tuning in and I want to thank one of them us guy William blankin ship he apparently got upset because we used some of his artwork and a caricature and and the recent ad for uh Santa barar but you probably just pulled some [ __ ] offline posters yeah yeah I just Google search your name it's not people don't understand how silly it is but it's like an avatar he we didn't know he wanted to just get credit so I'm giving him credit William thanks a lot dude thanks for making that no he's not he's not complaining he's just being a little needy make sure you go to freeway rick.com and add his Facebook his Twitter it's all there on freeway rick.com real easy spell yeah go to Des squad. TV and pick up the how many how many cats are left limited edition the selling uh the second t-shirt uh it's half sold out right now get in there [ __ ] the shit's everywhere it's on MTV all right fake Rick Ross go [ __ ] yourself you're a ridiculous human being how dare you America should say that to you how dare you we'll accept you we'll accept you your hustling song is a good song change your name son and pay up right Lenny William Bob all that good [ __ ] all right folks uh thanks to hit.com for sponsoring our podcast and uh Ting as well and um uh I forgot the [ __ ] Ting address God damn it go to Ching and use
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