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Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. >> The Joe Rogan Experience. >> Train by day. Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day, you know. 85. Yeah. Pop some headphones on. >> Damn. Yeah. You have to Well, see, if you you're going to shoot something at 45, you really want to be comfortable at twice that. >> Okay. >> So, I'll shoot 90. I'll shoot 100 yards. Yeah. >> Yeah. Because that way when you get into 40 it seems normal, seems easy. >> Easy day. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> It's all just about like effective. >> Can you take a shot at 85? >> No. >> No. No. No. No. No. >> That's far. >> You might take a follow-up shot like if you know the animal's already going to go down and you can if you can, you should always get a second shot on them. >> Yeah. >> So, I'll take a second shot at 85. But I would >> Have you had one and and it just [ __ ] ran just gone? >> Oh, yeah. like 200 300 yards. >> What do you mean? >> Like if you shoot it and you know how Yeah. hit it and it just goes into the bush and you got to track it. Find it. >> Yeah. You can track them though. >> Yeah. Just leaking all over the place. >> Yeah. Blood trails. Yeah. >> Especially if you use a large mechanical broadhead. >> So I've shot one deer in my life and uh it was after loan and I was on Latrell after Lone Survival. >> Yeah. And I was uh with Latrrell and a couple other seals on his ranch. And um you know, you're surrounded by seals, so it's like he's like, "Let's get you one." I'm like, "Yeah, let's go." And uh so we're on the ranch. Have you been there? >> No. >> Oh, it's great. >> And uh I I don't know how many acres, but he had used to have like giraffes on the ranch and [ __ ] It was crazy. You would literally just be out there and there's a couple giraffes and uh I think they're they've they're gone now.
But we pull into this like opening and he's like, "There's gonna be some deer on the right." Lo and behold, couple deer. He's like, "Okay, take that one." Pull out the M4. Uh, we're pretty far, but not crazy. And I'm nervous, man. Like, of course, I've trained with the M4 and and for loan and all this stuff, but I've never like shot shot. And so, I hit it and he's like, "Fucking great shot. Let's Let's roll up. Roll up. No, dear. And you can hear it though, and it's like just losing his [ __ ] mind. >> Oh, no. >> And I'm like, "Oh, fuck." >> And so the other seal, he's like, "Let's go." So, we walk and walk and walk and finally get around this corner and we have to put him down with a pistol. And I was like, >> "Why'd you have to put him down with a pistol?" just because we walked right up on it and it was just dying. >> Yeah. And so I was just like, >> "Okay, this is part of it." Yeah. >> Um and then we, you know, ate it and all that kind of stuff, but it was uh >> That's the good part. >> Yeah, it really is. >> Um but that was my one experience. But I did I did go uh with my bro loves hunting and uh we went out in Montana and there's on a on a friend's ranch and into the back country and he was bow and I love tracking animals for photography. So it's the same thing watching the wind um getting up [ __ ] before light hits just getting deep. You're way up there too >> calling all that kind of stuff. >> And uh >> it's just so fun. And once you get in tight, your adrenaline's just buzzing. And we had eyes on this like big boy. And uh so then I'm doing the he's like working his way up the mountain up this uh pass. And I'm doing the antlers against the tree and then the antlers and getting it angry, getting it worked up and it starts bugling even more. And you're like I'm not even taking the shot and I'm like this is [ __ ] legit. and he like he pulls his [ __ ] mask down and he's like getting into it. I see him like army crawling up there. Missed. But um we had a blast. It's more of like a bonding experience, man, than anything for us. But >> it's a very intense experience,
especially cuz they they scream and the sound like gives you goosebumps. >> It does. >> Especially when you're close to them. >> Yeah. And it just goes through your body. It shakes you. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. There's nothing like El. I know. >> It's really fun, >> but it takes a lot of work. >> It is. >> You earn it. >> Yeah. >> It's a different hunt, right, than just rifle. It's just rifle up there in at least in that area, it's like sometimes your your hunt's under an hour. >> Mhm. >> You know, with bow, you're in one. >> You're This is days possibly, you know. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Especially if you want to get within 50. >> Yeah. And that's the magic. Yes. Yes. >> Yeah. >> Throwing up the grass, checking it all the time. >> [ __ ] it's so fun. >> You live in Montana now? >> I do. Yeah. >> How long you been out there? >> Five, just over five years now. >> That's awesome. What made you choose that? >> This, man. Flying into Austin. I was here 16 plus years. So, it's just memory [ __ ] lane. It's crazy. Crazy. This is where it all started, man. >> Really? >> Yeah. Like Friday Night Lights. Um, we had like school for the deaf just down the street. Uh, land in the airport. Uh, Dylan Field was just across the airport. So, so many memories of Pete and I. We were staying at the Four Seasons shooting the pilot. Learned to box here at Richard Lords. Um, if you don't know this guy, he's [ __ ] amazing. >> Richard Lord. >> Yeah, Richard Lord. There's a dock on him actually. He's up. I don't even know if he's still around. He was pretty old when when uh he taught me how to box, but um wicked dude. Just zened out. He was probably in his mid60s, so he'd be up there now. But um yeah, Pete literally was like before we hit camera, it was like, "Hey, you want to go box?" And I was like, "All right, fuck." And I loved it. I loved it. And I still
You mean Peter Bird? >> Peter Bird. Yeah, he loves boxing. Yeah, he's got his own gym in LA. >> Of course. I do not spar with him anymore. >> He's It's Dirty Pete is his [ __ ] boxing name. I bet you he didn't [ __ ] tell you that, did he? >> Why is it Dirty Pete? >> Because he's earned that, man. He's uh >> So, you know, you'll do body shots only or stuff like that and spar. Keep each other honest, >> right? >> Um but [ __ ] you get them once, it's there's no rules. There's no rules. and it's like you're on camera in like a week or something like that >> and then you like take it and you're kind of shocked at first. It just goes from like 2 to 11 so quick. >> That's funny. >> But yeah, I it's the best workout. >> We have a gym connected here. So the last time he was here >> Yeah. It's right next door. We have >> No [ __ ] Smart. >> So we worked out together and cold plunge the whole deal. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> He gets after it. >> He does. He does. He pushes. I mean, even when we shot uh American Prime Evil, he was uh you his little garage setup, man. Cold plunge uh Steam Room. Like, it's He's got to have it. >> Yeah, >> he's got to have it for that brain of his. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. American Prime Evil was [ __ ] awesome, dude. Thanks, man. That show's so good. I started watching it with my wife, but she's like, "Nope, got to go. >> She can't handle >> things get intense." That's a [ __ ] int but also probably super accurate. Like one of the most accurate representations of what life was probably like in the West back then. >> Yeah. Yeah. I learned so much on that, man. Um I mean living in Montana, I got to uh this cowgirl friend of mine who I met at that ranch uh had been working with this shaman just outside of Livingston. And I was telling her I'm playing a guy like kind of raised by Shosonyi and all this and like that was kind of where I hung my hat of like if this guy lost his
family at six or seven and then adopted or sold to the Shosonyi, this is who he is. He's more Shosonyi than he is white. So I started working with this shaman uh which was incredible. And then um went down to the Shosonyi reservation win river worked with the elders there. It's tough, man. Cuz obviously going there, you're like, and they knew I was coming, but it's like you're talking to these elders and it's like we meet 5 minutes in and I'm like, "So, what do you what do you guys do when you bury your wife?" >> And you're asking these heavy, heavy questions, >> cultural questions. >> Yes. That is true meaning behind it all. So, she took a long beat and she's like, "I'll get back to you on that. I'll get back to you on that." And then I went into this other room at the school there and this other elderly woman comes in a wheelchair and she sits there and she's like, "What do you want to know?" And so we just sat there for hours and she was incredibly transparent and just really open. And I would take all this and go to Pete and be like, "Listen, if we're going to we got to honor these guys, so let's do it right." And he was all ears. And uh the Shosonyi was very tough to learn. When you say working with a shaman, like what did what did you do? >> Yeah, so we'll do like twoour sweats. Um >> like a sweat lodge. How do they have that set up? Like a fire in the middle of it or something? >> Yeah. So it's uh fire is always burning >> uh before you start the sweat and then he'll grab river rocks from Yellowstone uh river and then the fire's going and he'll bring these rocks that are in the fire into the middle of the sweat lodge. And uh there's four doors to this one. And uh you'll talk you'll fast the day before and um you'll he'll put the river rocks in the middle and they're smoking hot, right? And then he brings river water from a spring or whatever. Um and then you have you fast and then you uh have your intention ties. So you would sit down with them for an hour or two and talk about what you want out of this. Um, sometimes it's like, do I want to have a kid? Or a buddy of mine was using heroin for something, so I would bring him and have a sweat and just give him my energy in this sweat to help him. Or my dad passed or something. Or some, it can be light, too. It doesn't have to
be so heavy. >> Um, but he's been amazing. Like before, like I start a movie in a couple weeks and I'm just going to go do a sweat and get ready for that. and I just whatever he's going to energy he's going to give me to go into this shoot. Um and then for the for Primeval it was [ __ ] beautiful. Like I wasn't a good rider. I'm still not on horses and uh he gave me like my horse has a feather if you really watch he's I have four horses in it but my first horse has a feather in them and I wanted to do all these and honor the horses uh which obviously the Shosonyi do. Um, so he he just taught me a [ __ ] ton about just to honor that tribe and honor what what they do and and to be as authentic as possible. So that helped me root Isaac so much. >> That's a such an intense character. I imagine like you're playing a guy who's a white guy who's like deeply ingrained with Native American life. >> And so it's like it's all it's very conflicted. There's a lot going on there. But you want you you want to embody what this guy would be like. >> Yeah. Yeah. And you're you meet him when he's mourning, right? And he's lost his wife and his son and he married into the tribe. Uh so the the female chief I married her daughter and had a son. And um so when you meet Isaac, he's just in mourning and everything is full circle. Everything is circular with them. So the only way he could reunite with his family is to is to die honorably. So that influences the way I fight. So the way Isaac fights is all in >> wild. >> Wild like biting. I had I just got chills thinking about this. There's a fight I think in episode two which was [ __ ] insane. >> And we didn't rehearse. This is Vary Berg and we have these one guy's black feet. unbelievable guy. And I kept using him because he's a great stunt man. And um so Pete's like, "You guys are gonna [ __ ] roll down this hill and I want you to fight your way to the river and then we'll cut and then I want you to fight in the river." This is like maybe 28° in that river. The safety guy is like, "Whoa, whoa, whoa. This is not cool." And this is all like on the go. So JJ Dashing on my double is like all in. He loves this. This is near
the end of the shoot too. So and uh everyone's game and um that fight was just so [ __ ] intense. >> So is it choreographed at all? >> Nothing. >> Nothing. >> Literally nothing. >> So how do you know like when he's going to punch or you're going to punch? >> So during if it's you and me, it's like you will walk the area. make sure there's no uh sticks or whatever that we're going to impale us. And during the fight, I'll be like, "Okay, I'm going to flip you." >> Oh, wow. >> And then it's like, "Okay, I'm going to get on top." >> And then >> So, you have to say it. >> Yeah. And then Pete will be yelling behind camera to be like, "Okay, now work your way on top of him." And then we'll fight, work our way, roll, work our way. And then he's like, "Okay, find a rock, kill him." >> Jesus Christ. And then that war cry, which I'm so proud of. I worked on that forever, but uh and I had talked to Pete about it for, you know, months before, but we're just rolling so quick. And I told our a camera Brett to uh get in tight. I mean, any shot with Pete is [ __ ] tight, which I love. Um, and I'm like, "Be I'm gonna I'm gonna do this war cry, so don't go down to him or" And he's like, "Gotcha." And so when I did it, Pete finally called cut and he goes, "What the [ __ ] I was not [ __ ] ready for that." And uh it's those moments though that that he allows you to just go, you know? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Well, he's such a smart guy. >> He is, man. When he's dialed, he's like alone. He was just so present and early and he just I mean we're surrounded by seals as you know every take and um I don't think you could do what we did to in prep of just like no producers no Pete no nothing. It's just every morning 7 am 8 am we're up in the mountain uh with SEALs with Ray Mendoza and uh amazing guys and uh we first week is like first day man I'm Canadian so I haven't shot a [ __ ] gun in my life.
>> The first time you ever shot a gun was a lone survivor. >> Well yes >> that's hilarious. >> So first Chris Karach who's a [ __ ] legend. A man's man. Um, and he I think he was like one of the on the first team uh SEAL team units and the deepest voice you've ever heard in your life and like a [ __ ] man. And uh he took me under his wing and so our first day was live fire and Karach took me aside. He's like, "Hey, it's you and me." And I'm like, "Let's go." And I'm like as fit as I ever have been. I was running Town Lake doing the Murf every [ __ ] three times a week with weighted vests and uh just at Lake Travis High School there doing pull-ups and it was unbelievable fun training for that. And um first day was live fire and that [ __ ] gets you right. That does you do not [ __ ] around and uh they make sure of it. And then uh I haven't I hadn't met Marcus yet and Foster uh had drove down I think from Texas to uh New Mexico with with Latrell. I was pretty jealous of that. I was like ah you got to spend some real time with Marcus and I was playing Mike obviously and and uh who is Marcus's best friend. And so we're on this [ __ ] range doing live fire like upside down reloads, combat reloads, jamming, blindfold. It was just it was fullon and Emil's actually a great shot. Um Marcus comes, everything goes full stop. And right when he's coming, there's a PA on the other side and she's bringing [ __ ] banana uh shakes out, which is not a good look for these actors. And Marcus looks at these shakes and he looks at the actors and he's like, "What the [ __ ] is happening? You guys don't get shakes in between." And one of the actors just shamelessly goes up and grabs one of these banana shakes and he's just talking to Marcus meeting him for the first time. And I'm like, "You might want to put that down." Like, wait till he [ __ ] leaves before. But and then uh it's just a beautiful experience, man. Um the second week of training we were doing simun munitions. Have you done that? >> No. >> Oh, you would love it. So this will break skin and uh they hurt. It's like a hard plastic paint tipped and they fly like that, right?
>> They arc. >> Yeah, >> cuz they don't go as fast, >> right? And uh so we have Sims now and Mike would I my guy decides if we push left, push right, if we engage, get the [ __ ] out of here, let's buy ourselves some time, whatever. I got to make these calls. And um so the SEALs are in tally gear and they're like, "Go up the mountain." >> What's tally gear? >> Taliban gear. They're all dressed in tally gear. >> So we meet up at the bottom of this [ __ ] mountain and they're all in Taliban gear. And you're like, "Oh god, we're so fucked." So they're like, "Give us 10 minutes and uh when you get ambushed, we're going to watch and we're going to engage and we're going to see what you do, see what you've learned the last week." And you're like, "All right, let's go." So it happens and you're just walking, right? Just like we are in the film. You're just walking and waiting to get ambushed. you know shit's about to hit and so they hit and you hit the ground right away to figure out where the bullets are coming and uh and you can hear them which really set you straight. And so I'm looking over at a meal and I'm like [ __ ] uh 12:00 they're just straight up in these trees. I'm like 12:00 [ __ ] push right. We got to get the cuz we're in this open field. I just got chills. We're in this open field and I'm like, "Get to [ __ ] cover, dude. We gotta [ __ ] fight our way to cover." And Emil's like taking his time. And he's like, "Bro." Ah, [ __ ] All right. It's [ __ ] intense. And I'm like, "Push right." I got Foster behind me who's like so in it. He's [ __ ] crawling through cactus and like bleeding and I'm on the ground crawling screaming at a meal. Marcus comes out full. We got hammered. I literally don't think we got through a mag. And Marcus comes out and we're not laughing but it's too light. Like we're taking it too lightly. And I'm like Emil, you got to push man. if I'm pushing, if I'm telling you. So Marcus comes in and he's like full stop and he goes, "I thought he was going to rip a meal and he comes over to me and he's like, is this funny?" And I'm like, "No, sir." And he's like, "Do you
understand the stakes of this? Like every one of you are [ __ ] dead. You're all [ __ ] dead." And so he just rips me. He's like, "It's your fault. This guy doesn't want to [ __ ] move. make a move like you're dead. Do you understand that? And I was just like just leveled, right? And uh it's a beautiful learning curve for me. And um we got better, but I mean anytime there's one time I won't kill you with these stories, but one time I was like [ __ ] proud of myself. Like we got in a ditch. We're It was too much. Shimmunition, same thing. and we got in a ditch and we're all here and I'm [ __ ] looking down range like like [ __ ] we're in one. We're still in a fight. And then no joke, Mark Seamos, the sniper seal, grabs my [ __ ] shoulder and he's like boom. And I'm like, where the [ __ ] did you come from? Like that's how good these [ __ ] are, man. So it was like it was just an amazing experience. When you train for something like that, like how much time is spent like when you know you got the role? Yeah. >> And you know you're gonna film, like how much time do you give yourself to prepare for something like that? >> Longer. I love prep. >> So yeah, I do. Yeah. >> Why Why do you love that? >> The more time I can root myself into this guy, especially when the stakes are so high like Murf. Um, I mean physically uh was I did this little comedy uh in Canada and if you watch this movie and I was training for loan during this movie so it's called Skirwink Trail um in Newfoundland. beautiful [ __ ] trail. And it's me, my best friend of 30 years, and my assistant who is a great guy. And we're training for loan getting ready doing like 50 lb runs, uh, weighted vests, all this kind of skirwing trail. So, if you watch this movie, like at the beginning to the end, my body goes from like this to just [ __ ] stacked in this movie. And so there's that, but obviously 90% of this is mental, right? The seals. And so, um, I just love that. I love the prep. I love that pressure. Pete did a beautiful thing bringing n 19 guys died on the op uh and the rescue mission. So, it was like he brought all the families. Uh, I think it was a week before we hit camera. And um man, you know, I'm going it's I'm in the elevator
at the Hyatt in uh Santa Fe or New or uh Albuquerque and I'm [ __ ] nervous. Like throw up nervous cuz I'm meeting Dan Murphy now. And I'm like, did I do enough? Am I really [ __ ] ready? Am I worthy of this [ __ ] And then we all have that [ __ ] voice in our head that's like, you're a pile of [ __ ] You didn't do enough. you're not ready. And that's why I prep so much because it eliminate, it's like a fight, right? >> UFC or anything, these guys [ __ ] you prep to eliminate that self-doubt so you can be like, I'm [ __ ] ready for you, >> you know? So, it's the same mentality. >> And so, that was um my first words to Dan were like, I'm going to everything I have into this. I'm going to do it as authentically as I know how. And he was just so [ __ ] gracious with me. gave Mike's fire uh uh firefighter uh patch and just told me some amazing stories and I'm super close with the Murphy family still. But um I love prep, man. And I I think it's you got to have it. Especially with Pete's process, like if you're he he's so off the cuff sometimes and if it's an idea he has on the day, which he really leans into his gut instinct and obviously that's guided him pretty [ __ ] beautifully. But you just got to be ready for anything. And if you don't prep, you're not rooted. You're not ready for anything, you know? So, um, that one was a special one. Yeah. >> Do you what when you get into a character like like if you're doing Lone Survivor, do you try to stay in that character all day long? Like, do you try do you break for lunch and just be yourself? >> I try for sure, but you're still >> You try to stay in the character be I try and be with you in the moment at lunch and not even though >> it's got to be weird though. It is weird because you're having location Yep. on on top of the [ __ ] mountain. You're taking the ski lift up there >> and it's so important to be this guy. >> Yeah. Yeah. And then you're having lunch with the Taliban guys, >> you know, and they're coming and they're like, "Hey, man. We're big fans." >> Oh god. >> And you're like, "This is [ __ ] weird." >> Yeah. We're supposed to be shooting at each other in 20 minutes. >> I'm about to [ __ ] blow your head off,
man. And uh so I mean Wahlberg's quite light in between so that can be infectious in a good way. Ben is very like he's he carries that weight in a beautiful way. It's why he's so good. Uh Emil's quite light. Um but yeah, there's definitely a tone, right? Uh especially when you're surrounded by the seals, it's such a quick reminder of what you're doing or serving. Um, but yeah, you're up on that mountain having a sandwich, helping camera crew move their [ __ ] Um, and then lunch is always quick, so you're right back into it. And it depends on the day. Like if I know like the climb up to Murf's death was you're just carrying more weight that day. You just cannot [ __ ] around with you better get that [ __ ] right. Right. And I remember being uh Emil comes up to me and he's like, "Hey, if we get off tonight, I'll go full circle with this. If we get off tonight, uh you want to go see Eddie Veter." And I'm like, "Fuck yeah, I love me some Veter." And that was in Albuquerque. And so we go to Veter, meet him. Veter calls him up, sings a couple songs to him. It was unbelievable night. And uh Pete the next day comes up to me and we're back up at the mountain doing some uh the fall off the the cliff. We're doing that the next day and uh Pete's like, "Hey, your death scene. I want to talk about it." And I'm like all day. What do you What do you want to know? I got some thoughts on it. And you know, I talked to Marcus in the hotel and he he remembers one specific thing he'd like me to do. And so Murf brought was pushing himself up with his rifle uh climbing up this rock. So I'm like, that's really all I want to make sure for Marcus's sake that I get that in. And uh he's like, "Yeah, yeah. Uh we're going to shoot this um in a parking lot uh at just outside uh on off the highway in Albuquerque." And I'm like, "Yeah, right." And he's like, "No, no. I want to control the light and have a beautiful landscape behind Murf. And I'm like, Pete, you you're [ __ ] killing me. We're gonna do this in a [ __ ] parking lot. And so it was my last day as Murf. And I love music. Uh I'll always have a playlist for whatever character. And um Explosions in the Sky, who's Austin, who was at the time Austin
bass, great guys, and Pete uses them all the time. Um, and they're just acoustic, no lyrics, which is they're [ __ ] amazing. And so there's one song that has a heartbeat in it, and that was my song for Murf and it slows down in it. And so I go, you know, I prepping in the in the trailer. I walk down through this [ __ ] parking lot, and I'm like, "Oh, dude, I'm not in it. I'm not ready for this." And then I'm getting mad at Pete for putting me in a parking lot to do this [ __ ] I'm looking at [ __ ] Sandia Hotel. getting ready to go like this most epic death on you know it doesn't get more epic than that guy really put in the tunes and they built this big stage that was like 4t high and the the rocks and then surrounded it by green screen and cameras on the phantom camera which is that uber slow motion that's where you see the the spit coming out of Murf's mouth and all this and and I just broke down like just I puddled myself right before it was just like months and months and months of thinking about it and uh and prepping and putting so much pressure and then I had explosions in my head and I was like god damn this is too like you're overwhelmed with emotion and Pete comes up and he's like get it out and so I took five minutes camera crew's waiting we did like I told Pete I want that rifle to him to climb up with the the rifle and um I think we did three takes and then the camera crew Jacques was a he's a DP. He DPD American Prime Evil, but he was a camera op on on loan and uh he was working that slow-mo camera and he just goes to Pete and he's like, "We've got it. We've got it." Was it weird watching on film knowing that you shot it in a parking lot like trying to >> This is the first time I told this story. >> Um, very much like we would go we went and sc the first time I saw this film, man, was in uh I think it wasn't Redskins, it was Denver, the Broncos. We go and show this to the Broncos and uh Robert Griffin III was the quarterback I think. Yeah, he was there and um I was with Ben Foster and Ben had seen it and I was I watched it the first time with the Denver [ __ ] Broncos sitting in this theater and I was a mess. A mess. Yeah. It's just the pressure, right? I think
>> but I love it. >> Do it. honor. >> Yeah, truly. And then my first email was to Dan, his dad, and he thanked me and that's all that really [ __ ] and Marcus. But yeah, they thanked me and that was really all I [ __ ] need. >> That's got to be a very intense kind of a role because you're playing a real human being whose family's still alive. >> Moren, Johnny, Dan, uh, the whole family. And there's a destroyer uh [ __ ] beach uh uh um mail uh uh UPS or not UPS, but like a [ __ ] um stamp or whatever named after him. There's [ __ ] It's insane. There's all these huge uh honorary plaques and statues and all this kind of stuff. So if you let it like overwhelm you, it definitely can. Yeah. But it it's been I mean that's where all this my love for these guys is is really stem from that, you know. Um that's where it's like I've played Seals a lot and it's it's I'm never raised military or my grandfather served but it was it's an infectious group, man. It's like a brotherhood that's so real. >> Exceptional humans. >> Truly, truly. And people don't understand these guys are the best [ __ ] problem solvers on the planet. They're doctors. They're lawyers. They're [ __ ] smart. And uh so I don't know. I've just been embedded. And I think once you're in with these guys, you know, um you're you're you don't take it for granted. It's like I've made calls to a buddy of mine that uh one of the most decorated SEALs alive and uh he trained me for loan uh Ray Mendoza. He just came out with Warfare uh that movie. That's uh his best friend uh his story and um unbelievable guy. But I'll call Ray. And Ray was doing second unit on on uh Terminalist Dark Wolf. And he's like a brother to me. And no joke, you're like, "Hey man, I need a favor." And he's like, he'll [ __ ] bury someone for you, man. This guy like, "Yeah, what do you what do you need? What what is it?" And it's like it's just that whole brotherhood that it's like unquestionably undeniably loyal. >> Yeah. And like Marcus, like I mean we're chatting a lot lately just because I'm shooting in Huntsville in a couple weeks
and he's not far. But like my my sister I took some time off to help my sister cuz she was using uh drugs and um and I just needed somewhere to [ __ ] go. Just I can't be in Austin. I tried LA. She's still using she's still relapsing. I [ __ ] Marcus call Marcus. So I'm like, "Let's I this is what's going on." He's like, "Bring her here. Bring her to the ranch. There's no [ __ ] fentanyl. There's no heroin. There's no meth on this [ __ ] ranch, man. Bring her here." And so I She's not using at the ranch. So we went to the ranch and 10 days I know she's going to be [ __ ] clean because there's just all we're doing is driving around looking for hogs. Yeah. >> Or like hanging out fishing, whatever it is. But he's just a a beautiful guy, man. And where he is now is just he's lighter on his feet. It's so beautiful to see. He was hurting on loan, going through a lot of [ __ ] um surgery still. All this stuff. So, uh they're just so loyal and just great guys. >> Yeah. Very, very exceptional people. Your season, your shot. The NFL season is rolling and every touchdown can bring you closer to a payout with DraftKings Sportsbook, an official sports betting partner of the NFL. Every game is another chance to cash in. Don't just watch the action. Win with it. DraftKings Sportsbook delivers the unmatched intensity of the NFL right to your fingertips. From the first touchdown scored to anytime TD props or the thrill of live ingame betting, every snap is loaded with opportunity. New customers, this one is for you. Bet just $5 and get $200 in bonus bets instantly. Plus, score over $200 off NFL Sunday Ticket from YouTube and YouTube TV. Your season is heating up. Download the DraftKings Sportsbook app and use the code Rogan. That's code Rogan to get $200 in bonus bets instantly when you place your first $5 bet. Plus, over $200 off NFL Sunday Ticket from YouTube and YouTube TV in partnership with DraftKings. The crown is yours. Gambling problem? Call 1800 gambler. In New York, call 8778Y or text open 467-369. In Connecticut, help is available for problem gambling. Call 88878977777 or visit ccpg.org. Please play responsibly. On behalf of Boothhill Casino and Resort in Kansas. Fees may
apply in Illinois. 21 and over. Agent eligibility varies by jurisdiction. Void in Ontario. Bonus bets expire 7 days after issuance. See sportsbook.draftkings.com/promos. NFL Sunday ticket offer for new subscribers only and auto renews until canceled. Digital games and commercial use excluded. Restrictions apply. Additional NFL Sunday Ticket terms at youtube.com/go/nfl ticket/terms. Limited time offer. >> Have you been paying attention to what they're doing in Texas for veterans? This Ibane initiative. Yeah. >> Awesome. >> Huge. >> Awesome. >> It's It's so remarkable how effective it is. >> Yeah. >> And how many people It's completely saved their life and changed their life. >> Yeah. >> You know, and I was just thinking about that for your sister, you know. I don't know. >> Yeah. She's clean 10 years now. Just under 10. Yeah. That's amazing. >> Yeah. Thanks. Uh she's a nurse now. >> Oh, wow. >> Which is incredible. Um, >> yeah, she's it's really kind of like that's where that nonprofit comes from. Um, I just started it called Howers Ridge. And, um, I didn't even know like when she got clean, like there's some [ __ ] crazy stories I can tell you. Um, but she's she got clean and she hit me up and she was at a sober escape with all the girls she got clean with. And I'm like, what is that? And it's basically a reunion with all the people that you went through your sober living or whatnot. The last place she got clean was she was supposed to be there 90 days. She was there nine months. >> Wa. >> Yeah, that's what I said. Um and uh so she was at this sober escape. And so Howers's Ridge is basically a place I think we all know an addict if we're not ourselves. and uh and we're going to help vets as well, but it's the sober side of addiction. So, it's a place anytime you're using, at least through my experience watching my sister die a couple times, get narcanned a couple times. I mean, I've seen her detox on my [ __ ] kitchen floor, which is the
worst [ __ ] sight of anybody to watch someone in so much pain. Um but um this this spot is for her, you know, where where it all started and and this is I think anytime you're using right, we're all habitual humans. You work out six, seven times a week. You need that for your brain. So do I. And once you get in that habit, I change. If I don't work out in three, four days, I'm a [ __ ] [ __ ] And I get depressed. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Like I get anxious. >> Yeah. Very. >> Yep. Me, too. and and I get and I beat the [ __ ] out of myself, >> right? Mentally. Yeah. I feel terrible. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um so we all create this environment whether it's good or bad. >> Yeah. And I think with my cis, I just didn't have anywhere to take her and I needed to pull her out cuz there was a time I she relapsed like four or five times in LA and I was just finishing True Detective when I got her. And uh I mean there's stories but like it's pretty [ __ ] up that whole system cuz you have someone that's dying, right? It's someone you raised or your brother, [ __ ] best friend, whatever. And uh I bring her to this well first she had to detox which is an incredible story. Um my mom calls me and she's like she's been using for this long and I go full hero mode. I didn't even know what fentanyl was >> really. >> Yeah I didn't. This is right after True Detective. I really wasn't exposed to it. I knew heroin of course. >> So what is this like 12 13 years ago? How all >> Yeah. Right in there whenever the end of >> You didn't know what fentanyl was? Wow. I knew I knew like with the seals um they had fentanyl patches for the pain >> and then of course like but that's really all I [ __ ] if that like obviously I educated myself on it after and it's 20 to 25 times worse than heroin. It's a deathbed drug. Put you to sleep. And um so I got this call and I'm like I'll get her sober in two weeks. bring her down like hero mode and she comes and I had no idea what was go and she had used right before she flew and so she was in withdrawal.
>> Oh god. >> Oh god is [ __ ] right man. And your muscle contractions are so bad that I had this little one-bedroom apartment in Marina del Rey, 15, like literally a hallway from here about this long actually. And it's late. And um she's just pacing cuz she can't sit still cuz the muscle contractions are so bad. >> And I'm like, "Shell, just take go to bed. Take my bed and just try and sleep." She's like, "No, no, no, no. You don't understand. I have to move. And so she tried sleeping, going laying down. Muscle contractions are so bad she fell off the bed. And uh I'm like, "Okay, let's go for a walk." Like, and the beauty of our relationship and what I think was a huge factor in getting her clean was the transparency. Like, you got to [ __ ] be real with me. Tell me when you used, tell me how often, like everything. And she did, which is so tough to hear. Um, and so we ended up walking down Abbott Kenny at 3 in the morning and no one's obviously out there and we just did this crazy walk-in talk and I'll never forget it. And uh, it's just heartbreaking and I get her and I call uh, I'm like I don't even know if she needs to detox. So I call the hospital Marina Del Rey and they're like, "No, we don't take anybody that's using right now. You they have to be detoxed and we may be able to help them after." So, I'm like, "Okay, what the [ __ ] is Okay, we got we got got to detox." And um so I call this place and they're like an hour away and she's like, "I have a bed for her and bring her at 6:00 a.m. I mean, got this little Wrangler, a two-door Wrangler, and she's in the back seat, my mom in the front, and she's like almost kicking the [ __ ] glass out cuz the muscle contractions of my Jeep." And I was like, "Holy," like such a wakeup call that I had no idea it was this bad. So reality is kind of setting in. And um she kept asking for methadone. I want methadone cuz she had detox before methadone. And um and so I go to this [ __ ] house. And I knock on the door and she's in the back seat. She's got her little backpack and it's this [ __ ] woman like butchie in like presents. She opens the door. She's like, "Just a matter of fact, where's your sis?" And I'm like, "Oh, she's
grabbing her bag." She's like, "Well, bring her here." I'm like, "Okay." Uh, Shells, let's go. She comes and Shells is like, "I need," doesn't say hi, nothing. She's like, "I need methadone." And she goes, "Well, when did you use blah blah blah and all this?" And she tells her and she's like, "Oh, you haven't even bottomed out yet. We don't treat drugs with drugs here, honey. You're going to you're going to have some Gatorade and some topical muscle relaxer and you're going to sweat this out." And it's funny now, but Shelby goes to her knees and she's like, "I need methadone." She goes, "No, no, no. What did I just say?" And she's like, "You're getting Gatorade, muscle relaxer, and you're going to watch some movies and you can smoke. no phone. She was incredible. Four and a half days later, she called me and she's like, "Your sister's good. Bring her to a sober living just by Venice High." And it's 30 thou like when someone's [ __ ] almost ready to go. You're I'll do anything, right? And they know this. And so it's 30,000 for the month and it's sober living. you'll have one session, which isn't enough, uh because she has some trauma, and um uh with a psych. And I was like, >> "One in 30 days, >> one every week." >> Oh. >> And I was like, "We need a lot more than one a week." >> And um so I draw and my sis was a runner. >> And uh so you sign this [ __ ] contract and it's like if she runs, if she leaves, if she does this, this, this, and that, you she's out. We kick her out and we keep your money. Two hours in, gone. I get a call. Yeah. I get a call from this LA number and I'm like, "No [ __ ] way." Okay, there's 30 grand gone. I'm going to find another one. She went to the another one. Little better. Cool. Yeah, I got twice a week. Two days later, she runs again. So, I'm down 65K in 3 days. and I'm like bleeding cash and then I figure out like another spot she stayed like 30 days relapsed and then um yeah she kept relapsing and then uh multiple times Narand up in Calabasas there's a place and she left and uh this one girl she had uh night terrors and um so they would she had I would
walk around Yo, with this [ __ ] uh Ziploc bag of pills of like anti-depressants for her night tears, sleeping pills, all these things to just take away this trauma for whatever beat it would be within her, right? And there's an amazing doc up there and South African guy that deals with women addicts and trauma. And uh she was there for a while and that was really great. And she got a hold of these sleeping pills and they're supposed to give you one every night. And the girl put the bottle up on the little half door. You know those doors, swinging doors? Yeah. And um so she grabbed the bottle and she was as a lot of these sober livingings are, they're pretty incestuous and and the guys sleep with the girls, vice versa, obviously. And um she was dating a a kid named Mike there. And so she went to that part of the house and said goodbye to Mike. And to this kid's credit, um he was like, "That's a little weird. You didn't say good night. You just said goodbye." And so she goes up, hammers 60some sleeping pills. >> Oh Jesus. >> Yeah. And uh he goes and tells he's like, "Hey, this ain't right. You got to go check on her." So long story short, call the ambulance and the medic to his credit is like, "Go grab the [ __ ] bottle." And uh grabs a bottle and shows this medic and he's like, "We're pumping her stomach right now in the ambulance." And um what saved her life were their time release. >> Isn't that [ __ ] crazy? >> Wild. >> Yeah. Wild. So I got this call and I lost my mind for giving her uh the bottle. Um but yeah, she at that point she kind of just [ __ ] ran again. Went to a drug house. She hates using uh needles so someone would shoot her up. Yeah. So, as you know, if you're [ __ ] sober 92 days, whatever it was, if you use what you were using before, you're [ __ ] gone. >> Tolerance is gone. >> Yeah. Exactly. >> So, they dropped It's a [ __ ] movie. They dropped her off at the stoop of this hospital and she got an arcan. I didn't know any of this part. I didn't I wasn't privy to this yet. >> God,
>> I'm just driving around looking for her. And uh anyway, she's just to go back to that environment. And I'm like, I'm out of money. We got to I got to send you back home to Vancouver. And she's like, you put me to Vancouver, I'm going to die. And I'm like, well, it ain't working well here either. And uh she was at a psych ward on 34th in Lamar. Uh that was a [ __ ] up story, but um for like 10 days. Um, but anyway, she got she went to this place called the Westy House in New Westminster, just outside Vancouver and it's a it was a woman's only and she was there. She ran there and I got her back in and she got clean and hasn't looked back since. >> Ran again. >> I know, man. >> Vancouver phone calls must be rough. >> I was I didn't even know what Allenon was and uh I was at 360. There's a church just across 360 bridge and uh I was at this Alanon and uh and I'm waiting. I didn't Shells has been gone. So I'm waiting for the call of like okay she's finally overdosed and gone and so I'm a mess and I'm in Alanon just waiting for this call and I'm judging everybody in this [ __ ] Alenon. Like there's this woman across from me. She's like, "Yeah, my husband, he used and um yeah, I got Christmas with him." And I'm like, "Fuck, that's easy day." I'm like, "You don't even know what the [ __ ] I'm dealing with over here, you know?" And then you hear another story and you're like, "That's [ __ ] You guys are pussy." All in my head. And uh so I just listen. It does help or help me a lot. And I come out and this one guy, he's like, "Hey, you're heavy. you gotta you want to talk or anything? You didn't say a word in there and and I'm like right when he said that my sis called and she was downtown Vancouver and she had just used and got scared straight. Um some guy had followed her and sexually abused a friend of hers in front of her and she's like I can't do this no more. So she was scared straight and she's like >> So that's what got her sober. She got she was downtown Vancouver called me and she's like can you get me back in Westy house and I call Susan was her name and um call her back and I'm throwing everything. I'm like I will [ __ ] uh support you guys. Can you give us a bed? Can you get her one more time? I know
she's not allowed back and all this. And she goes I'll call you back. And she got she got her bed and she was there nine months. >> Wow. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, what what was it that finally kept her sober? >> Did she say >> That's a [ __ ] good question. >> Jamie, can you tell uh Jeff to bring in the coffee? >> Um, that's a good question. I know at times it was like she has we have nieces and nephews and she wanted to get clean for them, but that didn't last. I think it was that moment of getting scared straight like you just can't keep doing this. >> Um, >> rock bottom. >> Yeah, I think that's what it is. It's so subjective, right? >> Yeah. >> We all know somebody that's like, I stopped drinking yesterday. >> Done. >> Yeah. >> Like my buddy over there you just met. It's just like he went for a few weeks and he hasn't had booze since. And it's like sometimes it just clicks and they're like, "Fuck this life. I don't want it anymore." And some just can't break that habit. But yeah, I mean, >> they vary so much. >> Oh my god. >> Thanks, Jamie. >> Um, but yeah, she's a lot like me, too. Super. I'll steal some. >> Get some, dog. >> Thanks, man. Um, >> yeah, it's it's a beautiful story. >> Tragically, but it ends well. Yeah, but it it very well couldn't have. Imagine if that guy didn't say goodbye. What is goodbye? Why? Why goodbye? What the [ __ ] going on? Yeah, that one guy probably saved your sister's life. >> And I want to [ __ ] kill that guy, by the way, cuz he's he relapsed with her and used with her at that drug house. >> Yeah. [ __ ] >> I know, man. So, that like for me is a a big part of Howers's Ridge. And then with the vets is we just chatted. I love these guys and and the families and uh
so hopefully we'll have you talk about Iba Gain. I know we can't do that in Montana yet. Hopefully, but I hope up there on Howers's Ridge we can maybe in a year or two we'll see what happens that we can do some of that up there. >> Well, I think it's going to be so effective in Texas that it's going to spread. And I think the fact that they're starting with uh veterans >> Yeah. Yeah, because these guys don't get any support. There's when you think about what they have to go through when they go off to war with the things that they experience and then they come back and they've lost friends and they've seen their buddies get blown up in front of them and they're they just they're all [ __ ] up and then they're hooked on pills and >> and the pills are just you can cookie monster a [ __ ] jar if you want and they'll refill you like and there's different outlets like Virginia, Hawaii, Florida, doctors in each one that are sending you >> and It's that's you literally at your doorstep you're getting these jars of pills. >> Mhm. >> It's like you're giving and these guys obviously have addictive personalities. That's what makes them so [ __ ] great. >> Yeah. >> That's one thing weird. That's a weird thing, right? That the addictive tendency can actually make you great at something. >> Yeah. Well, beautiful, right? If you use it, >> if you harness it, but it can go sideways on you, >> which is really weird. >> It is. That's one thing. And it's funny because I not that I'm cocky or was cocky with Dark Wolf, but I had played this guy already before and I lose my Trident in it and Mendoza's kind of getting the parade rest ready and the whole ceremony ready for it. and he's just a brother of mine. And and it was a big moment that I learned because these workups, say you work up on a Thursday and you go at 2:00 a.m. to 7:00 a.m. and you go take a couple guys out and you come back, whatever, celebrate, probably get have a few drinks, and then you have another workup on Tuesday. But let's say you and I go in the fight and I die on that Thursday op. You're back in workup
Tuesday morning. So this is one thing that really kind of punched me when I was talking to Mendoza cuz he was talking about some stories where he lost somebody and I was like there's literally no [ __ ] time to mourn. There's no time to register the loss of this. So you're just harnessing this pain and this all these emotions. >> Yeah. and you're just like, "Okay, I guess I'm back in the fight and I'm going to do this for at least another few months before I'm out of my six-month uh tour." And that really kind of knocked me out. And that set me free to play this guy a lot more like just knee-jerk emotion and way more of a live wire because it's like who the we talk about how subjective mourning is, you know? It's like everyone mourns differently. Yeah. >> So, it's like I just made that choice with uh Ben of just like this guy's just a [ __ ] mess and let him just emotionally make these decisions then and that's where I took him. >> Did you have conversations with uh other vets that were addicts and that were [ __ ] up from war and just had all sorts of different kinds of ways of dealing with trauma >> all the time. All the time. It's so common. >> It really is. Insanely common. >> Yeah. >> But it only makes sense. It would be crazy if it wasn't calling. >> I know. Yeah. You're right. >> Think of what you're asking them to do. >> I know. And we don't know the half of it. No, >> we really don't. >> We don't know any of it. We We don't If you don't physically experience it, you're just making things up. >> Yeah. >> You know. >> Yeah. And I mean, I think obviously with Red Wings and and stuff like that with Loan, but then you talk to these guys in between takes and they're pretty transparent, which is beautiful that they're talking about it and all this, but it's like, where are they putting this [ __ ] energy after they're out? Like, they got to find another purpose that's so [ __ ] heightened when you're serving. There's no bigger purpose. You're [ __ ] killing bad guys. >> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Like that's incred Walmart and >> right >> just be a dad and that's just a whole another life. >> That's one of the things I really loved about Hurt Locker. >> Yeah. [ __ ] me. Such a good movie. And it was so good the way he explained >> or or the way it played out how this guy just could not go back to normal. Like it it just wasn't working. He he didn't give a [ __ ] He'd rather be back out there. >> Yeah. >> Down. >> I mean, you look at Marcus, too. After Red Wings, he went back to Rammani. >> Yeah. >> Which is wanted to die with his boots on. I mean, these guys are [ __ ] This is kind of the UFC, right, of like these guys are modern-day [ __ ] gladiators, warriors. And I I know they're not in the front lines or downrange, but it's like you you got a guy like Marcus or the Mendoza or these guys that are just >> truly born warriors. >> There's just a there are a different breed. >> Well, that's why they get it through buds, too. Yeah. >> You got to be a different kind of human. >> Yeah. Yeah. More mental than physical. >> Yeah. I mean, Mendoza was running buds, too. And he would say a lot of times, you look at these [ __ ] scrawny guys. >> Those are the ones that make >> And then you got the D1 athletes that haven't had or gone through a whole lot because they're gifted athletically. >> Up here, though, they're not as strong. And that [ __ ] scrawny guy over there is bringing that D1 athlete with them. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Those stories, >> that's kind of the case with fighters, too, sometimes. Sometimes it's the guys that aren't talented that wind up being champions because they just they're tougher and they work harder because they don't have it given to them easily. >> You know, they can't halfass in the gym. They have to be all in. >> Yep. Yeah. It's the life, right? It's the sacrifice. What are you willing to do? >> And you you you know, you have to be allin in that job. Both jobs. >> Yeah. And comfort can kill you.
>> Oh, yeah. In everybody's life. >> Yeah. I hate it. I know. I know. >> I hate it. >> I know, man. >> I would have thought that one day that I'd be wealthy and that I'd be just [ __ ] chilling and going to the beach. Like, no. Punch every morning and >> Yeah. No, I I [ __ ] hate it. I think it's the enemy. >> It really is. It's >> the enemy of happiness. >> Yeah. >> Really? >> Even >> like me with acting, it's like I live for it. I love it. And I honestly do believe I've just worked my way through stubbornly. Like I'll just outwork people. It's not like I was gifted this talent or it truly isn't. I'll just outwork people. And then now it's like 44 now, which is crazy. And um now I'm starting to be like, okay, you're thinking about kids, you're thinking about I need a little more balance. >> Mhm. >> But then I start this balance and it scares the [ __ ] out of me and I don't like it. >> How does it scare you? >> Just it's the comfort, right? It's like, "Oh, catch, don't take this. Just go keep fly fishing. Keep, you know, just go on a motorcycle trip. Go." Which is great and I'll still do it, but I'm just so conscious of it of like, don't get [ __ ] comfortable. Don't think, don't rest on your >> work, you know? >> Comfort's not bad if you earn it, right? >> But you got to earn the [ __ ] out of it where like when you're sitting on that couch, you know that you actually need to recover. Like if you're going to keep going, you need to recover. So like watching South Park is probably good for you >> actually like medicine, >> you know, just [ __ ] let me just zone out and true. >> Yeah. >> But there is that I think I don't know. Do you have that with the the fear of failure still of just like >> of it all falling apart? >> That and like I'm on set in two weeks and I'm [ __ ] scared. >> Yeah.
>> And it's a heavy role. [ __ ] ton of dialogue. >> I think that's because you're doing the right thing. It's cuz I know it's what you're supposed to be doing. >> But I can't sit on that [ __ ] couch because I'm like, "What the [ __ ] are you doing, kid?" >> Well, now you can't sit on the couch because it's getting ready to be go time. >> But that's why you you're doing what you do. I mean, you you have to be a little scared of what you do. >> You have to be. >> Yeah. >> Like Monday, I'm going elk hunting. I'm kind of freaking out, which I always do cuz it's hard. >> Yeah, it is. >> It's I got in shape. I got like did a lot of cardio, a lot of leg workouts cuz you're going you're huffing it up those mountains. >> I shot three hours of arrows today. >> [ __ ] >> Three [ __ ] arrows. I'm pulling three hours. I'm pulling back an 80 lb bow. >> No joke. >> Yeah, it's it's a lot of work, man. I work hard, but it's because when it's there, you want to be prepared. So, leading up to it, I get like [ __ ] super serious. >> I get like really like where it's it's with me all day long. It's with me while I'm brushing my teeth with me. put in my underwear with me while I'm sitting in the cold plunge. I'm thinking about the mountains because it's a hard thing to do and that's why I do it because I love it and but it's also because it's a hard thing to do. >> And when you're getting ready to do like a roll that's like a [ __ ] intense roll, the nerves are a good thing. They're your friend that truly keeps you honest. >> Sick feeling you can't eat. Like that's that's your friend. >> Or you're looking through my girlfriend. >> Yeah. You barely listen running lines [ __ ] what if I do this in this scene? >> Uh-huh. They want to talk about Taylor Swift's engagement ring. Like I can't >> I can't hear. >> And then you're an [ __ ] >> right? Like what did you say? You're not
listening. I I was listening. I just spaced out for a second. I'm sorry. >> Yeah. And then you go back to being spaced out after apologizing. Or I'll just literally be like, I'm going on a bike ride >> and I'm gone for two, three hours and then I'm running [ __ ] in my head. Or it's so true. But it's the same I equate it to like when we're rolling. It's like you ain't hiding no more, kids. You're [ __ ] You're in it. It's the same thing. Once you get exposed to that elk, it's like this is your [ __ ] moment. We're going to see if you did the work. >> Yeah. Yeah. 100%. Yeah. I think people everyone needs something like that, but it scares people so they shy away from it and they look towards something that's guaranteed. You get a guaranteed paycheck. It's easy. It's simple. But that's the that's that's your enemy. >> Yeah. >> That's how it that's how your life becomes this just dull shade of gray. >> Yeah. >> I know. >> Yeah. Not good. You're very fortunate. You're very fortunate. You've been able to do what you love and that what you love is, you know, it's it's very exciting. >> Yeah. >> Like and it's very exciting to other people. It's very rewarding. Like I d I [ __ ] loved you in American Prime Evil. >> Oh, thanks. >> That role. >> That was my gladiator. That was intense. That one scene where you're getting changed where and you see all the [ __ ] cuts all over your body like like whoa. >> Like it just >> that scene I lost a bunch of weight for it. Um and then Howard Burgerer did my makeup for that and he's [ __ ] incredible. And uh that scene, >> man. Um >> that scene meant a lot because >> it's everything. You saw that guy is raw naked >> with his Shosonyi brother and wakes up with covered in scars >> and then goes into that uh tepee with the chief the the mother of his wife that he lost and I wrote that scene man. >> Whoa. >> Yeah.
>> And so Pete Pete and I came up with its only pain. >> And then I I broke my foot and got a [ __ ] bone cut out of it on this that show. And you know the scene where >> a bone cut out of it. >> Yeah. >> Why' they cut a bone out? >> So there's a scene where I go down to get horses and I kill five or six guys at this skinning camp and I think it's episode two and Betty Gilpin who's amazing comes down and she's like didn't trust me and she comes down. I have to kill these guys. during that sequence uh I broke this my foot and they call cut and I go to uh Dashnaw the stunt coordinator and um I'm like oh it's broken and he's like I've worked with him for 15 years and he's like don't [ __ ] with me and I'm like no Dash it's broken I got this shooting pain in my groin and he's like get the [ __ ] out of here and I'm like yeah so finish the scene and they they spray [ __ ] bio freeze on my foot and I'm like, "Guys, it's broken. Like, I'm fucked." And so I go to Boseman and he's like, "It's this small bone right on the side of your foot right there that goes up and down right here >> next to your toe >> uh connecting my big toe. It's on the side bone on my big toe." >> Uhhuh. >> And uh so he's like, "Oh, you can wear a boot. It's a small bone, so you won't need to. It'll heal itself." So, I go back and I'm in a boot doing this [ __ ] show and I got a 6'6 uh Wrangler. So, when I get off that horse 90% of the time, I think his name's BJ. >> Great dude, big cowboy. Um, and he's below me off camera taking my weight cuz I can't step off the horse cuz I'm in a [ __ ] boot. >> Medical boot. >> Yeah. Yeah. And then uh 6 weeks goes by or a month and I go back to Bosezeman, take my boot off and uh he does one last X-ray and he's like, "You need to be in surgery today." >> Oh no. >> That's what I said. That's a shitty call to Netflix and Pete. And um so I got surgery and then right before surgery um he's like we can pin it but you're going to be super active and it may not take or I can cut it out and put bone wax on
it. >> Bone wax? >> Yeah. I didn't know there was a thing of that either. I don't know either. >> So >> So you just said cut it? >> Yeah. >> Cuz you wanted to go back to work. >> Yeah. So they cut a chunk of bone off and then what is bone wax? >> I think it just is a protective coating over it. Oo, look at this. >> Commonly supplied in sterile sticks. Usually requires softening before it can be applied. It's generally made of beeswax. Softening agent uses paraffin or petroleum jelly and it's smeared across the bleeding edge of the bone blocking the holes and causing immediate bone heostasis. >> Still don't know what it means. I don't know what this mean is is a tamponade tamponade effect but closure of blockage as if by a tampon especially to stop bleeding. You have a tampon on your foot, bro. >> Yeah, I do. >> Wow, that's crazy. >> Oh god. >> So, does your foot [ __ ] with you now? Yeah, it's uh if I'm fly fishing or on uneven ground, it's or if I'm doing, you know, if I'm tracking or doing something uh sideelling, which I [ __ ] hate, >> sidehill hiking, I hate it. >> I have a terrible knee as well. That's where it bites. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And then um >> Yeah. So, I dealt with that. We had to I had to be on the couch for six weeks. But my first day back was those two scenes and I had called Pete and I'm like, "Hey, I wrote this scene. I'd love because that scene was exposition with my mom at first. We were talking about Red Feather and stuff and uh I'm like, "This is my first day back after losing them that I haven't seen her since I've lost her daughter and her grandson. So, this guy can't get through anything." Uh, so that was the crutch and thank you for noticing. And that's the crutch of that whole arc to that guy. >> Yeah. It was an intense scene cuz it it was so realistic. Yeah. >> Like like well that's what a guy would look like. Like I I hate when you see someone who looks like they've been
living an easy life and they take their shirt off and they're supposed to be like in some rugged outdoor environment. They just look soft. >> Yeah. >> Or he's stacked and looks incredible. >> Looks like he's been in the gym. Yeah. Eating creatine. No, you you look like a hard man. Like a hard man who's been through some [ __ ] handtohand combat. It looked very realistic. >> Yeah. >> You had to starve yourself for that. >> Yeah. >> How much did you have to lose just to get >> I had time. I had time which was great. Um >> I lost 30 for that. >> Whoa. >> Yeah. >> That's a lot of weight. >> Yeah. But I had done it. I did this one film called The Bang Bang Club here. I was just living off Lamar here. And um I play this drugaddicted uh true story about these war photographers right before the during the apartheid, right before the first free election, Mandela's election. Kevin Carter is his name. He won a Pulitzer uh for this epic shot that he took. Um got a lot of flack for and ended up taking his own life. Um but that I had 30 days to prep and I lost 35 in 30 days. >> Whoa. And I remember going just over I35 here to this dock and my heart rate was [ __ ] low 20s. >> Oh god. >> Cuz all I was doing was running coffee and I would uh the broth can be super salty, sodium heavy. So I'd filter that and then just have broth and broccoli for dinner. >> Oh my god, you're starving yourself. >> Yeah, it was bad. And then I got a thyroid problem from that. And uh that doc that doc was like um hey you're gonna fail this uh physical just so you know. And I'm like what do I got to do? I'm going to Africa next week. And he's like do some push-ups. So I did push-ups and got my heart rate into the low 40s. And he's like okay. >> Wow. >> Anybody I know >> that's crazy. >> That's crazy. You were probably kind of dying. >> Yeah.
>> That's nuts, dude. And then I was hurting. They would shoot me out on Bang Bang Club like just shoot your coverage and go go back to bed. And uh then I ended up getting a nutritionist there. And uh she helped me a little bit. But that was a quick shoot, but um that's where I think I [ __ ] my body on that one. >> Wow. >> And then Caresh again, lost weight for that. >> That was great, by the way. Thanks. >> That [ __ ] whole Caress fear. So crazy. I know, man. >> What is it like doing that movie? cuz it's another real life. >> Yeah, that was I was just prepping right there, too. Um, that was almost too long a prep. Here's me saying I love prep, but I had six months to get into that headsp space and it just the last month I tried to pull out of the show. >> Really? >> Yeah. because I was just this is I was just you're holding hoarding all this energy and you I lost the weight learning to play guitar and sing which was a [ __ ] comedy. Um I'm [ __ ] terrible. >> He was terrible too though. >> Yeah. Yeah, he was. That literally helped me. I would listen to Dave and I'd be like, "Wow, >> guys suck. >> He's shit." >> It genuinely how he got people to follow him with that [ __ ] terrible singing. If I was in that call, yo, there's we got to re-evaluate. This guy is not Christ. >> He is not the leader. >> He's actually kind of [ __ ] terrible, right? Should we leave? >> Sucks. His [ __ ] music sucks. [Laughter] >> It just What is it like getting in the headspace of someone who's that depraved too and and who has that kind of like sick control over people? >> Why? Figure out the why. Why did you figure it out? Yeah, I think so. >> Um, go to his childhood, which was [ __ ] terrible, >> of course. >> Um, like >> you don't become a cult leader and everything's awesome when you're a kid.
>> Two great healthy parents. >> Always giving you hugs, >> siblings, >> and you decide to be a cult leader. No. >> Yeah. Yeah. He memorized the Bible by 15. >> Wa. >> Which is [ __ ] >> That's intense. >> That says enough right there. >> That's intense. But he was like tied to a radiator on his birthday and like abused pretty hard. And um >> I almost bought his car. >> Oh my god. >> Pull the trigger on his car. He had a 1968 Camaro and uh a buddy of mine texted me and said, "Yo, David Crush's car for sale." And he knows I'm a car head >> and my I love cars, especially old muscle cars. Yeah, >> I got a bunch of them and I have a 69 Camaro and I was thinking about at that time I didn't have any Camaros, but I was thinking about getting like a 68 or a 69 or 67. I like the 69's a little more a little wide body, >> but uh then I found out it was Caresh's car. I was like, whoa, that would be wild to drive to the comedy store in David Caresh's Mustang >> in Texas or David Crush's Camaro, rather. But then I thought about it. I said, you know what? I don't want it. I don't want anything from that guy. I don't want that guy. I don't want I don't want to hold his steering wheel. I don't want to sit in his seat. I don't want it. I don't want it. Also, >> what a piece of [ __ ] That guy's a a preacher. He's driving around in a muscle car. Like, for sure, right there and then. Terrible saying and muscle car. >> Ego. Little bit of an ego. >> A lot of ego. >> I mean, not that you can't enjoy. I love them. I think they're one of the greatest accomplishments of American engineering in terms of like a piece of functional artwork. Yeah. >> American muscle cars. I love them. I'm that way with mo motorc motorcycles, too. And I got to set we shot actually in uh Waco wanted nothing to do with us. >> So, yeah, rightfully so. So, we shot that in Santa Fe. >> Like to change that. >> Yeah, man. And uh
>> Waco is a great town, by the way. >> Yeah. It's grown like enormously, too. >> Um but um yeah, his motorcycle came for sale and obviously they knew we were making it. I kicked tires on it and uh they wanted just it was probably worth two grand. They wanted 15 or something and it was just like go [ __ ] yourself. I mean, honestly, like you just said, what am I going to do with his moto? >> Yeah. I thought it was I I thought it was silly at first and then after a while be like I can't do this. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I when before we opened up the comedy mothership in town, I was under contract for this place called the One World Theater that was also owned by a cult. Yeah. >> No way. >> Yeah. The One World Theater. You know where it is? It's on Bcave. >> Well, this is what's [ __ ] up about the story. Ron White performed there once cuz they have concerts there. And Ron White did standup and we were talking about opening up a club and he said, "You should buy that place down on Bave. It's the [ __ ] [ __ ] It's beautiful theater. I think it's for sale. I played there once. It's amazing." I was like, "All right. Well, Ron White's the [ __ ] man. If he tells me, I'll go check it out." And I check it out and I'm like, "Yeah, we could do this. Let's do it." And so, signed the contracts, all that. And then I get a call from my friend Adam. And he goes, "Hey, did you ever watch the documentary on that cult?" I'm like, "Oh no, there's a documentary." The documentary is called Holy Hell and it's about a guy who is a gay porn star and a hypnotist that was a yoga instructor. >> Oh my god. Checking every Yep. So, he's a yoga instructor in Hollywood and then the cult in Waco gets taken down and then he is on the run now because now the cult awareness network starts going after all these cults after Waco. like, "Hey, you know, people's children are getting kidnapped essentially by these [ __ ] maniacs." And, you know, winds up being like, "Wo, we got to stop these cults." >> And so, he moves to Austin and changes his name. >> And, uh, has a, you know, this is in the '9s. You could get away with changing your name.
>> Nobody, no internet. And so, this guy has his followers build him this theater so he can dance in front of them. The documentary is bananas. And I see the documentary, I'm like, "Oh my god, I got to get out of this." After I see the documentary, I'm like, "I got to get out of this deal. I got to get out." And fortunately, there was a problem. Fortunately, there was a problem. Cuz you know, you got a bunch of cult members building a place. They're not going to do it to code. No. >> And so, it was just like his residence. >> Yeah. There was a lot of [ __ ] that was wrong. A lot of wacky [ __ ] They didn't want to pay for it. I'm like, "Good. Let's just >> Yeah. >> So, it cost me a little bit of money and I got out of it." And then we eventually got the Ritz on on Sixth Street and that's the perfect spot anyway. But it was the thing of being in that building knowing what happened. I'm like, I can't handle this. >> Different energy there. >> Hund 200 people >> wasted their life with this [ __ ] for 20 [ __ ] years and there was a bunch of them crying at the end of the documentary. Like I I lost my life. My life is meaningless now. I thought I was going to be with them forever. Now I'm a dog walker. I'm like, "Oh my god, >> I know. >> I can't carry that in this club. I can't feel it. I'd have to tear the building down. >> I just thought it'd be silly, you know, oh, building built by a cult. Perfect. We'll take it. >> But the reality is every cult winds up being the same thing. The guy wants all the money and he wants to [ __ ] everybody. It's almost every one of them has the same profile >> and fear-based. >> Always, >> always, >> always fear-based. Always everybody else is the enemy. >> I'm the solution. The nutty thing about this guy though is that he would do this thing to these people called the knowing. And you had to earn it. And when you earned it, it was this very special ceremonious moment. And he would put his hands on their head and he would do something to them. And these people
would feel God. They would experience God. And I know that it has to be some sort of a placebo effect or psychossematic some something where your your brain triggers this energy. But all these people that called him a fraud, that [ __ ] hated him. I wasted my life. They all talked about that moment. Like it was the greatest moment of their life still. They're like, I gained a connection to God and to the universe that to this day was the most profound and loving moment of my life. It's like, yeah, the guy was a total piece of [ __ ] Scam artist, con man, liar. Everything was wrong. Yet he was still capable of doing that thing to them >> conditioned them >> over years. >> Well, he had them thinking about the moment that it was going to come one day and then he would take it away from them and then and then one person would get it and they would all sit around and watch and they like when am I going to get it? But when they got it, they would all be like, >> it's because we know that the brain produces psychedelic chemicals. And I guess you can trick it, which is I think what a near-death experience is. I think a near-death experience your bo your body's like it's over. Flood the gates and then >> Yeah. Right. >> It rolls through and then you you know you go down the the tunnel and light and all the jazz and you meet dead people. >> Yeah. >> But this is I think this is possible with everybody. You just have to achieve the right state of mind. >> I know people in Kundalini yoga, the people that are like heavy into it can [ __ ] completely trip balls. >> Really? >> I had a buddy of mine who had done DMT. >> Oh yeah. >> And then he really he done DMT a couple times. So he knew what the experience was and then he really got into condundalini yoga and he was doing it for like six months and then >> what is kundalini? >> It's a very specific kind of yoga that involves like deep breath work and there's a lot of like head bobbing. It's very strange, but it's you achieve a DMT- like state. He's like, you achieve
a full-on psychedelic experience doing kundalini. And I was like, whoa. And I've always thought about like trying it, practicing it. I'm like, >> yeah, >> I don't have the time. I don't have the time. One of those things just I'm too busy. I can't think about some new thing to be obsessed with. But but it's my point is that there is some little trigger in your brain that if you could trick your brain into snapping over to on it just >> I believe that part >> this [ __ ] cult guy did it to those people. As much as they hated him, as much as they knew he was a fraud, he [ __ ] everybody. The crazy thing is like they didn't know that everybody was getting [ __ ] And so like one guy leaves the cult and he sends out this group email like hey this guy's been hypnotizing me and [ __ ] me for like 10 years and they're all like I thought it was only me and then and then it became crazy where everybody had a story. Oh everybody had a story. He would charge them money >> for these experiences and then he [ __ ] >> of course >> Jesus >> hilarious but terrible. >> Yeah. >> And so I didn't want that building. So >> like I didn't want Caresh's car. Let me look at that contract again. Uh, no. >> So, when you were getting close and you wanted to pull out, was it just the heaviness of carrying around this guy's weight? >> Yep. Yep. And then I called my manager, Steph, and she's like, "Give it a day." And then the Dao brothers who wrote and directed, terrific guys. And um I called John and I think one thing that set me free probably on month three because I was really stuck on everything we've just said of like why am I playing some guy that's pretty [ __ ] reprehensible in a lot of ways >> a real person >> we did real damage to people >> but I was judging him >> and that was like really a big block for me because I couldn't understand him more and so once I started to not cast judgment or my own judgment on him and just trying to understand and rude him. Then I was like, okay, I'm going to fly
now of like this is his childhood. This is why he's doing this and so it's your guys's job can judge away and do all this, but for me to play this guy, I can't bring that to him. >> Right. Right. Right. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> So that helped that piece of [ __ ] >> Yeah. Yeah. >> I got to do it and try and root that. When you got done with the role, was it like a thing that you had to cast off yourself? Like >> Bang Bang Club [ __ ] me. I was hurting pretty bad after. I didn't know my process very well. And uh you know um Kevin Carter was just really really troubled and I think it was Mandra which is an animal tranquilizer that he would take. >> Oh boy. >> Yeah. And he would have um night terrors and all this. There's photos of him like they called it the bang bang because they had these police scanners and once they would this is early '9s uh in South Africa and once they heard it on the scanner it's like a bang bang and they would be there a lot of times before the cops like some kind of civil rights or civil fight would happen and they would get hear it on the scanner and they'd go like Scooby-Doo kind of [ __ ] They'd get there before the cops a lot of time or the military and they'd be in the middle of this shooting it uh photographing it. And you see pics of Kev that are just like him in like one shoe high hiding behind like a [ __ ] barrel in the middle of this gunfight. Like they would get really into it. And then he was a guy that just kind of took everything to heart, you know, of just he would see some [ __ ] pretty abysmal [ __ ] and just be like, "Take it, you know, wear it." And uh it just hammered him. And so he would take these drugs and just to sleep and just to get over or get through it. Um, but yeah, that was really tough coming out of him just because I didn't know myself enough or process be able to really kind of >> became a part of him. >> Yep. >> And then the weight and all that. And then with >> Dave, um, yeah, I was so ready to gain the weight back and just wipe my hands with it. I always go on a motorcycle trip
after and that sets me free. Helps me a lot. I'll write letters and just burn them. That helps a lot. They say when you're like if I get therapy or something or it's like write a letter and literally watch it burn and that is something like that's a a mind trick. I'm sure just like if there's trauma or something >> and figure out a way to let it go that way like a ceremonial purging. >> Exactly. >> Yeah. So, >> so that was bang bang was harder than cares. >> Yeah. On me >> because you had like not you hadn't been used to carrying around someone else's thoughts. >> Exactly. And that was the first time I started having really bad nightmares in South Africa and um and I I just that started [ __ ] with me a lot and then I was really happy it was only a four-week shoot. Um >> did you try that tranquilizer? Whatever the [ __ ] it is so you can know what it's like. No, I've only smoked weed three times in my life. >> Nothing else? Nothing else? >> Little booze. >> Little booze. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um first time just weed. >> Yeah. >> Wow. >> Savages. >> Uh with Oliver Stone. >> Oh no. >> Oliver goes hard. >> He does. Uh >> I was surprised he still smokes weed. >> Oh my god. >> And uh I was in rehearsal and he asked me and I hadn't smoked weed ever before. >> Oh my god. >> Yeah. And I'm playing this guy, this obviously a seal, but that smokes weed, grows weed, sells weed, gets into the cartel. >> And you smoked with Oliver Stone the first time? >> No, my first time he gave me some of his medicinal, and I went with a buddy who smokes weed all the time, and I was staying at the Shangrila in Santa Monica while we were filming, and my buddy bought uh brought over um a bong, a water bong. >> Oh no.
>> Oh no. That's not how you do it. If you're going to do it the first time, this is what I tell you to do. Just go like this. That's it. That's it. Just a little hit. You got to dip your toes in there. >> Drug is uh also known as quaudes. >> Oh, interesting. That's what quaudes are. Wow. >> Quaude is a brand name for it. >> What does it say it's it's doing to your brain? >> Uh it's a muscle relaxer for insomnia. How do you say that word? Methylqualon. Meth >> methqual qualone >> combination of drug known as mandra sown primarily in Europe containing 250 mg of methylqualone and 20 mg of dyen dyen hydromeine dyenhydramine >> in a single tablet. WA is >> commercial production was discontinued in many countries during the mid1 1980s due to widespread misuse addiction and associated public health concerns. >> Yeah. You know when a popular drug gets pulled. It's pretty bad. >> Yeah. That was no joke. >> So just because that was the first time you'd ever tried carrying around someone's thoughts. That was why was Cuz he was so [ __ ] up. >> Yeah. And I was that actor where it was like I got to be in trauma too then. >> Right. Right. Right. Right. Definitely real. But it comes out. That's the [ __ ] up thing. It comes out in the role. Like it seems real. >> Like as nutty as Daniel D. Lewis's process is when that [ __ ] is that guy and there Will Be Blood. You believe it. I drink your milkshake. He's [ __ ] there, man. He's dialed in. He's the best. But it's just that process has got to be [ __ ] soul crushing. >> Yeah. >> Cuz you lose you. You lose you and now you're some [ __ ] up person like David >> Caresh >> having nightmares >> living in a [ __ ] mini hotel room >> in South Africa. >> Jesus >> like lonely as [ __ ] >> Yeah, it's no joke. That was no joke. But I I've learned my process a lot more.
>> Did you have to refine it on your own? Did you get help? >> Yeah, it was Waco that really kind of set me straight in my process. really helped me figure out like my me cuz it's all self-exploratory [ __ ] as well is acting and uh and then I you're just way more conscious of it of like okay like even with relationships of like okay that's I I can get quite short like be like true detective I was oddly an [ __ ] through the whole thing and I had my best friend of 30 years with me helping me on that and I was drinking like a to black out. And that's not me. I don't drink much, but I was just a [ __ ] mess. And my buddy was is like played in the NHL, AHL, was a fighter. Like he would [ __ ] murder me. >> You get shitty with him. >> Really shitty with him. And I would poke him, man. >> That's booze, bro. >> I know. >> Booze is the worst. >> I know, man. >> It's the worst for that. So many drunk people get themselves into situations that they really should not be in >> and I would poke them, man. And we go to this [ __ ] hole bar. It's called Sports Harbor. I don't even know if it's open anymore, but I would [ __ ] around >> and uh I didn't have to find out, but I definitely was getting that really I was conscious of it and he would have to have a moment with me of like, hey, you said this last night or >> Do you think it was partly because you're trying to play a detective and detectives are kind of all [ __ ] up >> in the closet just a mess? >> Um, >> so do you think that's what it was? Like >> Yeah, I do. Yeah, cuz after I shed it or after it wrapped, I was with my cyst right after, but I was fine. I didn't touch anything. But during I was no bueno. >> Wow. >> Even getting ready for this, it's I play this um director of corrections in Texas. It's a true story about uh the longest hostage situation in te in the US in a prison. It's 11-day hostage negotiation. And Freddy Carrasco is going to be played by Luna, Diego Luna, who's I can't wait to see what he [ __ ] does with this. But um I play the director of
corrections. So we're negotiating the for 11 days. And I and he's got to be quite hard on his in on the guys in his war room. And he kind of comes in and he takes over the negotiation. Um and he's never done a negotiation before. So he makes a mistake here or there and he he [ __ ] pays the piper psychologically for it because it doesn't end great. And um and so I'm starting to get into that mindset and when I'm with a buddy or something like that, I can be quite short and >> you start to see it filtering in. I'm like, "Okay, >> Jim is settling in me." Like I can start to feel it a little bit more. I get a little more reactionary. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That's so creepy. >> It's like you're getting haunted. >> You're kind of getting haunted by your characters, but that's Dude, that's why you're so good. >> I I think that's there's something to that, man, because you're [ __ ] believable, >> you know? Like, I've seen you in a bunch of movies, but it doesn't matter. Whatever the [ __ ] you're doing, I believe even though I know, oh, that's Taylor Kit. Yeah, >> I've seen him in Lone Survivor. I've seen him in this. I've seen him in that. When you're in that, the same as the the Daniel D Lewis thing, >> that's he's that guy. He's that [ __ ] guy. And even though you know who he is, that's how good he is, that he's still that guy even though you know who the [ __ ] that is. >> I know. >> It's like the trick works. >> That [ __ ] monologue Daniel Day has on the porch where he's like, "I don't to his brother, I think it is, where he goes, I don't like people." >> Yeah. >> Oh, all [ __ ] time. >> Yeah, >> he is the best to do it. >> Such a complicated character he played, too. >> I know. >> There was so much to it. >> He's He's got something coming out soon, too. His son, I think, directed it, which is going to be a [ __ ] banger. I I think he plays a soldier that comes back or
>> Oh, I saw the trailer. Yeah. >> Yeah, that's right. I saw a trailer recently. >> Yeah. >> That [ __ ] thing of carrying a guy around like that. Whether it's the detective or Caresh or the Bang Bang guy. It's like that's got to be [ __ ] exhausting. >> Yeah. >> Because you're like real light in real life. You're friendly and like, "Hey, what's up? How you doing?" I was cuz I didn't know I didn't know what you're going to be like. Everybody's different, you know. >> I heard horror stories of you. >> Have you really? >> No. >> No. >> No. >> I tried to be nice, but you know, >> I was just with uh Sheridan the other day. >> Taylor, I love that guy. >> Yeah, man. >> And of course Pete and every car. Everyone's like, "You're going to have a [ __ ] blast." So >> no, for sure. Everybody told me that about you, too. >> Oh, great. >> Yeah. But you know, you don't know until you meet someone. that I'm glad I didn't meet you while you're on full on True Detective in full character, you know, because full character is [ __ ] crazy. You're kind of haunted. >> Yeah, you got to live it. You got to live it. I think I mean, you look at anybody that's great at anything. You have to that it's amount It's the amount of sacrifice you're willing to give to it. >> Yeah. You have to be all in all the time. And I think it's that like the fear of failure and also I don't want to [ __ ] watch it and be like, "Oh, catch you didn't." That would kill me. >> That would [ __ ] kill me. >> Yeah. The the watching a guy phone it in is the worst feeling as a a consumer of the show, like a a you know, passenger on the ride. Watching someone phon it in, you're like, "No, dude. >> Do another take." >> Yeah. That's [ __ ] What are you doing? You going through a divorce? Yeah. Like what's what's going on, baby?
>> They're out there, man. >> You can't can't lock in. >> Yeah. >> I've worked with some pretty [ __ ] huge names that have apologized. >> Yeah. >> After a film or at the premiere or something that were like, "Hey, I'm I I'm sorry, man. I just wasn't there." >> Like in my head, I'm like, "No, I know." >> Yeah. I had Charlie Sheen on yesterday. No way. Yeah. and he was talking about his time doing anger management about he was still really [ __ ] up and just doing way too many drugs and he was trying to be locked in but he was and he just didn't do it and then he wanted didn't want to do it anymore so he was miserable while he was there and he's all [ __ ] up and and he's like apologizing to everybody now I was like I am so yeah yeah yeah >> he's a sweetheart of a guy like a really nice guy >> he's sober a lot >> years almost eight years yes yeah >> but you know you can see the itch behind his eyes, right? >> You know, that's a struggle. That sober is a struggle sober because that guy went through it for so many years. >> The stories that he was telling about like literally how 1:00 a.m. to 7 a.m. would go by like that and then all a sudden someone was pounding on his door. It's time to go to work. He's like, I am high as [ __ ] on crack. And he goes, "And so I have to lie in bed." So he'd lie in bed. I try to close my eyes. He goes, "I'm not taking a nap." He goes, "I'm cracked out of my mind. My whole body is vibrating." And he goes, "And then I took a ice cube and I stuck it up my ass and the ice cube woke him up >> and got him back." Like he was literally falling asleep on the set and he said, "Give me a couple minutes." And he shoved an ice cube up his ass. >> There's that movie writes itself, >> bro. That guy went so >> How do you figure that out? >> You know, you're just going to the fridge. >> I got to wake up. He's literally falling asleep. How do I wake up? Shove an ice cube up my ass. Like it works. >> What were the other choices? >> Stick a fork into electric socket. >> How did you get to an ice cube up your
[ __ ] >> Oh my god. >> But he was going that hard and you know he just >> he's so lucky he didn't die. >> So >> were the uppers and downers and everything, right? >> The crack. Well, people that he the girl he smoked crack with the first time he ever smoked crack with eventually overdosed. >> Ah. He told a story about the first time he smoked crack. This girl who was a crackhead, she gave him a [ __ ] while he took his first hit of crack. He said, "To this day, I can't top that experience." >> He goes, "To this day." He goes, "I probably shouldn't say that." He goes, "To this day, this is the greatest moment of my life." >> Wow. Holy [ __ ] >> Like, oh my god. >> Isn't there a dock on him that just came out? >> Yeah, that's what it's about. Yeah, he wrote a book and he did a dock. Oh, he did? >> Yeah. Now he's doing movies again. Is he? >> Yes. He's excited to be working again. He was kind of a little bummed out that it took so long for him to get a job again, but >> Well, >> yeah. I mean, you know, he got a lot of investment. Yeah. A lot of money. >> A lot of insurance on the studio. Yeah. >> But now he's sober for 8 years. So, I believe. >> Wow. Good for him. Holy [ __ ] What is he 60 now? >> He's in his 60s. He actually looks good. >> Does he? >> So, for a long time he looked terrible. And I said to him, I go, "Dude, you look better than I've seen you." I mean, I hadn't seen him ever in real life. It was the first time I ever met him, >> but it was he looked good. He looked healthy. Like remarkable for a guy that's gone through >> [ __ ] abused. >> 20 years of redlinining the machine. Just bang. >> 20 years of crap. >> [ __ ] >> I'm going to watch that dock.
>> Oh, it's The dock is great. It's really entertaining, too. It's really well shot. It's really well shot. Yeah. Really well edited. And the whole family is pretty epic. >> Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, Martin the [ __ ] Come on. Yeah. >> Damn. >> Yeah. No. Uh, we talked about Apocalypse Now, too, which was really crazy because he was on the set when he was eight years old. >> Eight or 10? 10. 10. 10 years old. So, he was 10 years old in the Philippines on the set of Apocalypse Now while I was being filmed. >> Yeah. Helicopters, [ __ ] Robert Duval, everything. >> Yeah, dude. He was there. 10. >> Oh my god. And your dad's Martin Sheen Philippines back then, too. >> Dude, I love that movie so much. I wear this watch. This is the Willard. This is a This is a reproduction of the watch that Martin Sheen wore in Apocalypse Now. Yeah, it's my favorite watch. >> Yeah, >> because of that. >> Just because Well, it's a nice watch. It's a Seyo. But like they all the Vietnam soldiers all got Seyos because they were like super durable and reliable. Look at that. That's him with his Oh my god. >> Yesterday. I didn't if I can get it in there, but >> Oh my god. On the set of Apocalypse Now >> here >> in 1979. That is crazy. >> Oh, how old was Martin Sheen then? >> Looks pretty young. >> Yeah. I mean, >> what a legend though. >> He seemed like in the movie he was in his early 30s, right? >> Damn. >> Yeah. >> Crazy crazy. I mean, >> and you wonder why. And then 10 years later, literally 10 years later, he's doing Platoon. >> Oh my god. >> Which is the next like epic war movie. Oliver Stones directing it. >> William Defo. >> William Defoe. Who's the other guy? The other guy >> Tom uh >> who is it?
>> Yes, >> dude. That guy ruled in that movie. He seemed so scary. >> Yeah, William's an amazing guy. >> Amazing. That guy's I love that guy in everything. He was great in John Wick. He's great in everything. >> He really is. >> He's great in everything. William Defo is the [ __ ] man. But like to to be there at 10 >> watching your dad filming Apocalypse Now and then 10 years later you're in Platoon and Oliver North is directing you and your narration. Oh, excuse me. Oliver Oliver North. That's hilarious. Oliver Stone is directing you and you're doing the narration. Like the whole thing is nuts. 10 years. How do you adjust to that? >> No, you don't. Well, that's how you adjust. >> One word. Yeah. >> Crack. >> Well, it took a while for >> that was his drug of choice was >> started with coke when that girl blow him. When the girl gave him a [ __ ] while he was smoking crack, it was crack from then on out. It was like I get it now. >> It's a hard cell. >> Damn. >> It's just crazy that it's crazy that he's alive. But all one of the things that we were saying that I was talking to him about it was like no one can understand what you went through because no one has ever done that. No one has ever been Charlie Sheen at 20 years old and been in platoon and you're the toast of the town and you're a baby. >> Yeah. >> You know, you're just getting out of high school, you know, like what? >> A baby, man. >> And then the world's your oyster. You're you're doing blow every night and >> it's chaos. Just nuts. You're off the rails. And every time you fail, you succeed better. Like every every time you go into rehab, there's a better movie waiting for you on the other side. There's no consequences career-wise. >> God. >> And it just keeps going. baseball movie. God, I love Oh, the best. >> He was awesome in that movie. Yeah. Yeah. >> I grew up watching that.
>> Yeah, dude. That guy, that guy's been in some great [ __ ] movies. He's been in some great [ __ ] movies. >> But to be him and to, you know, to No, there's no blueprint for that kind of >> What was his bottom out? Did he tell you? >> He kind of like there was a bunch of bottoms out. >> Yeah. Losing two and a half men or something. >> Yeah. It was that and then it was his behavior afterwards. And then yeah, he did he very apologized to Chuck Lori. He says, "We've talked. I've apologized. We're friends now." Like, "Thank God." Like cuz I felt >> Did he live in LA, >> Charlie? I don't >> I wonder >> remember the [ __ ] out. >> I don't think he said I don't think I asked him. I don't know if he's still there. Um but he's been completely sober for eight years. Good for him. >> Yeah, good for him. >> Holy [ __ ] >> Like if he can do it. >> Yeah. No [ __ ] >> That guy could do it. And he seems together. Look at that. Both of them. Beher was in that, too. That's right. That's crazy that they completely different roles. >> Behringinger and platoon was so scary. >> Yeah. >> Scared the [ __ ] out of me. >> Damn. I love that [ __ ] >> Yeah. It's just amazing that that guy's life arc to go from being a child on the set of Apocalypse Now to 10 years later starring in >> I think Apocalypse was like a 2year shoot. >> Yeah, we were talking about it yesterday. Yeah. I thought it was even more than that. I think the entire production >> kept asking for money took forever. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Francis War for Copa, man. Come on. He nailed it. He to this day I will watch that movie every now and then and just sit there and go, "Fuck." >> Back then, too, to make a movie like that. Yeah. >> In 79. >> Oh my god. >> Come on, man. That movie was epic. And it was like one of the first like
realistic war movies. >> Then you got Platoon, like you said. >> Epic. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It's crazy that he's, you know, he experienced both of them. One as a child watching his dad and one as a star and all within the span of a decade, which is like >> 2015 was yesterday, man. >> I know. And the most formative years, too. >> 10. >> Yeah. 10. >> What were you doing at 10? >> I wasn't in the Philippines. >> That was the other thing. He was like, we I didn't know that that world existed. that he goes like I was living in Malibu, you know, in this beautiful town on the beach, you know, everybody's like happy and wealthy and his his dad's a movie star and then all a sudden he's in the Philippines and he's like in France for Copa had all these sketchy people on set all the time like he's artist. He's a nut like everybody come on and hang out like there's all these weird [ __ ] people around and >> three-year [ __ ] shoot. >> Yeah. In the jungle. >> Yeah. Literally >> using helicopters from the army. and he was saying that one time the army had to take the helicopters back cuz they there was rebels and there was like Yeah. They had to borrow the helicopters. >> There's another movie. >> They had the whole scene rigged. They had the the the river was rigged with explosives. They're ready to film the scene and they were like, "No, we need our helicopters back." >> Holy [ __ ] man. >> We need to go kill some people. >> That's old school movie making. No. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, man. I mean, if you could go back in time to be on the set of any movie ever, what would it be? Damn. I mean, I've got to I had dinner with Gibson one night, Mel Gibson. And I've worked with um >> what's this? Brennan Gleason. So maybe Braveheart. That was a big one for me. >> That was a big one. >> Yeah. >> Boy, that was a movie that made
everybody want a sword fight afterwards. You just wanted to go [ __ ] something uptally to get out of that movie. >> Truly. >> God damn, >> that one was big. when he's freedom at the end of >> I mean, come on. Or when the when the uh when he the king pulls his hel pulls the the helmet off the king and he sees he's fighting for the other side. And then you cut to Gibson. It's those [ __ ] blue eyes that are trying he's trying to register that it's the king, his king. And that moment for me was just like, oh my god. >> Yeah. >> Just beautiful. >> Yeah. Mel Gibson can make a [ __ ] >> He really can. He really can. >> You know what I watched again recently? Apocalyptto. >> Amazing. Same, by the way. >> Not It's a blockbuster movie that where no one speaks English. >> Yep. And no big movie stars. >> Yeah. No big movie stars. No one speaks English. It's [ __ ] amazing. >> Yeah, it is. >> And he used like real people that lived there. >> Yeah. >> Good for him, man. >> Good for him. >> What a [ __ ] swing. >> Yeah. He's a fascinating guy. Like his brain is like he's just rattling all over the place all the time. First time he's on the podcast, he had a pen and he couldn't stop clicking it. >> Oh god. >> Like the entire time. Click click click click click click. You [ __ ] crazy person. Put the pen down. >> Oh man, that was a cool dinner though. He told me uh some stories of Braveheart. >> Wow. of just riding the horse to all these cameras, like ripping the horse to one camera, seeing the shot, going to the next, seeing the shot, going in, doing the speech, going looking at playback, >> just like and then he's like falling asleep standing up. He was so tired. >> Like that's like epic stuff. >> And talk about realism, like those fights and still holds up. >> That soundtrack, come on. >> That was an incredible movie.
>> Like my dad played the bag pipes. Um he played actually in the World Championships in '95 in Scotland. >> Really? >> Yeah. >> From Canada. Went to Scotland. >> Wow. >> And then um he uh so the pipes to me like I remember he was an alcoholic and not a lot. He wasn't around a lot and um he uh I remember some of my best memories was like you know the [ __ ] sound of the pipes when you're putting air in. It's the worst sound in the world. It's like a rabbit like getting bludgeoned. And we would be at Christmas, all my cousins, his side of the family, and he would walk downstairs and you could hear this these [ __ ] pipes getting air put in. And you could tell he had a few and he was he would come up and stand in the middle of the living room and just rip the pipes and everyone's just like full stop and just beautiful. And he'd play in in Barbados. He worked in Barbados doing a lot of like the the pavers, the golf pass, and he would play at funerals. >> Wow. >> And um >> when uh >> how did he do in the world championships? >> I don't know. That's a good question, but it's a great story. Um so primeval I was fly fishing in uh the Madison at just west Yellowstone. I had four days off. So I went home to Boseman was fly fishing only my favorite spot on the in West Yellowstone. My broke calls me and he's and I'm like, I just caught like a 20-in rainbow or something. And I'm [ __ ] ripping into my brother being like, "This [ __ ] I'm killing it. The rod's on fire right now." And he's like, "Ah." Uh, so my dad raced cars as well. And his race car name or we called him Gooey growing up. And he's like, "Gue's got 48 hours to live." And I was like, "Ah, [ __ ] All right." Um, literally just verbatim like that. Like I saw him the last 19 years. I saw him twice and one time was in Montana and he had early onset dementia and uh my brother drove him down. Great stories there. But so I drive I take my adventure van drive up to Colona, my hometown. And um I've got this big beard from Primeval and I hadn't talked to one of my brothers in
years and then I was still close with the oldest and get to the hospital and he's um I turn his wheelchair around and I'm like, "Hey, hey, Gooey." And he's like, "Who the [ __ ] are you?" >> Whoa. >> Yeah. And he's on like oxygen and I'm like, "I'm your youngest son." and he's like, "What are you doing here?" And I'm like, "I'm just here to say hi and and hang out for a couple days." And he was like on point. Like his brain was going. And um and it was a little like I hadn't seen my one bro forever. So, >> how long had it been since you'd seen him before that? >> Years. A couple years. Yeah, probably two years. >> And is it dementia that he didn't recognize you or the beard? >> No, the beard. It was the beard. And I was limping. with that [ __ ] toe. And um so uh we go up to his room. This is a Friday at noonish. And he's great though. Like so we have this young doctor. He's like 40. Great guy. I go and sit down with him. He's like I'm like, "Dude, he's dialed. Like what do you mean he's going to [ __ ] die? Like he's on point." And uh he's like this is what happens sometimes when somebody like this he doesn't know he's dying but he is once you like all three of us brothers all three of his sons were there and it's like a high >> and everything he's just dialed into it all and just very present >> because everybody's there. >> Yeah. And he's like the doc is like man I have a feeling all three sons haven't been together with him and I'm like in 25 years. Oh. >> And so we were all there and I had my assistant back in um Santa Fe and I was like, "Hey, my dad played for Colona Pipe Band and I was like, "Call her." I'm like, "You got to help me here. Get a piper and to come play for him at the hospital." And she's like, "On it." And she was great. And uh the next the next or Friday night, I'm like, "Gueey, what do you want for breakfast?" And he's like, "Give me something I shouldn't have. Give me like a [ __ ] Costco muffin and uh and a stupid amount of whipped cream and a coffee." And so, of course, I go overboard and bring him this [ __ ] rid the big chocolate chip muffin and and uh the coffee in the next morning, but he had gone from like
dialed to he's hurting. And uh so we got this Piper to come. We [ __ ] We're not allowed to do this. We bring him out in the courtyard and uh and the piper comes and he's asleep and she's like, "Uh, what do you what do you want me to play?" Like we they know of my dad that he had played for the Colona pipe band and and I'm like, "I don't know many songs." And um I just obviously Amazing Grace and stuff like that. And so she just rips it and he wakes up and we're all buckled emotionally, right? cuz this whole the pipes to us is just like that's our father. That's like our only memory, one of our only memories for him. So, um she plays two songs and he's falling asleep again and he wakes up and he's and I'm like gooey got one more song and he's like, "Okay." He was a mama's boy. Loved his mom and uh and she was amazing. And um he's like, "Play one for my mother." So, I think at that point he knew he was about to go see her. >> Wow. And uh yeah, so we have all this on video and and um his brother was there and his wife and uh his best friend growing up and so we [ __ ] the nurse comes out after the pipes. They're not obviously the whole [ __ ] hospital can hear this. And so we're obviously got caught and she's like, "Bring him up now." And so we're like, "Yes, yes, ma'am." So we [ __ ] have him in his bed and you know those like um wheelchair ramps. >> It's like a hard 90 degree. >> He's out. He's sleeping. And my middle I'm the youngest of three boys. My middle bro's big. And then my other bro's like 6'2. Big boy too. And we're [ __ ] we got him and we're stuck in that turn. So now it's like Weekend at Bernie's like, and this is like a a pain movie where it's like he's [ __ ] I'm like, "Hey, Gooy's stuck, boys. He's stuck. We can't get over this [ __ ] corner cuz the bed's too long." And uh we're dying like we needed a laugh. And uh so I look down and Gooy's arm is like [ __ ] crooked, jammed in that bar. >> Oh no. Yeah. So I'm like, "Oh, whoa, whoa, back up a bit." So we back, loosen up, and it's like, it's not broken, but we He didn't feel any of this [ __ ] So we're like crying, laughing because it's like a weekend at [ __ ] Bernie's moment.
>> It's our dark humor, man. >> You got to laugh in those moments. >> Yeah, I guess. >> Yeah, cuz we were just buckled 10 minutes earlier. get him to the room and he's in and out sleeping and um the next day on Father's Day uh I had I had to drive back to Boseman and uh we have dark humor and uh so everyone's in the in the room and I'm like, "All right, get the [ __ ] out of this room." Everybody like like a joke, but the nurses are like, "Oh my god, what happened?" I'm like, "Oh, I'm sorry. It's a joke. I just want 10 minutes with him and then I got to go. I got to go back to work, but I'm going to say goodbye. And so they leave and uh he's like kind of in and out of consciousness and he would wake up and look right through you like he's trying to be with you or present or well I don't know that's kind of how I took it. And uh he's fighting consciousness I guess. M >> and um small little side note, I was driving and the shaman who was helping me for Primeval, he texted me once I got into Canada and he was like, "Hey, I had a dream. You got to [ __ ] call me." And I'm like, "I don't know if I believe this stuff, but I I'll call you." And so I call him and he's like, "Hey, something's up." And I'm like, I've told three people that my dad's gone. And he's like, I had a [ __ ] dream that you're about to lose someone. I don't know if they're close to you, and I hate calling. This is a crazy call, but I'm going to listen to this. And I'm like, man, I'm on my way to say goodbye to my dad. He goes, "Okay, that's what it is." >> Yeah. >> How weird is that? >> Yeah. >> What is that? >> I know. I don't know what that is. I'm still And uh he's like, "How like tell me about your dad. what what kind of guy was he? I'm like not very present. He drank a lot and uh you know some regrets of course and um this and that. And he goes, "Okay, I'm going to set up an altar and pray for him and this is what I think is going to happen. Um he's not going to cross over very easily because of the life he's lived." And so when I'm one-on-one with my dad, I started the conversation. I'm like, "Gue, it's me."
And uh out and he had uh soft hands. That's one thing I remember. So I grabbed his hand and our humor. I'm like, "Yeah, these are a little [ __ ] soft, gooey." Like maybe you should have worked harder. Like no calluses, like nothing. Just, you know, just trying to And then I went into like the nonprofit and I'm going to do this and I'm going to try and give back and this and that. And I promised him and um and during that conversation he would try and like be conscious and he was fighting to be there present but he was I think gone. >> Yeah. >> Um and then two hours I I left and then I on the way home my bro called and he had passed on Father's Day. >> And then um then I was back to work on Tuesday [ __ ] riding banana bread. >> Wow. >> My horse. Yeah. with like Shay Wigum who's an amazing actor. He played Jim Bridger in that. But um yeah, Pete was great with me on that. >> Did that help you like hold a feeling of loss for your your character? >> I think it I mean how crazy art >> simulating life and vice versa. I'm playing a guy mourning, right? >> And then all of a sudden like my father who I didn't really have died, but it's still your dad, you know? And um and Pete was like, "Hey, this, you know, do you want to ride banana bread into this into this shot or walk them or and uh I'm like, I I'll ride them in." And I was doing a scene with Shay Wigum and it was beautiful because I was upset that some knew that it's my news to tell, you know, but some had already knew the crew. So, I was a little rattled at that when I got to set because everyone was very fragile with me, which I understand. >> But I was like, whoever told you guys, it's not your story to [ __ ] tell. It's mine if I want to share it with the crew or whoever. But, so I was a little upset on on set, but then a lot, it was so beautiful, man, because a lot of these older guys on set would just come up and be like, "Man, my father was this guy to me, this guy, but you know, I just I feel you." and they would share all their father stories. So, it was a beautiful experience and uh Pete was great and Betty Gilpin was amazing and and that scene I just buckled like walked away from the uh Fort Bridger and
I just was pretty emotional and and uh Pete was like amazing and then we shot the scene. He's like go home. And then I got to my trailer and literally to the minute uh of when I went down, that was the minute he got cremated. >> Wow. >> Yeah. And then um but I do think it it was really cathartic to be playing that guy. And then I had a beautiful sweat after and I mourned him the right way. You know, it did knock me though for like I'd say six months after I was like, "What am I doing? Am I doing everything or enough? Am I living my life enough? Because even if he's not in your life, you're still like to witness that is it was heavy. >> Yeah. >> But I had mourn him, right? And uh you know, I'm in a good spot now. But it it was an interesting thing of you just take stock, I guess. I've never lost somebody close to me. Um especially in that way. So yeah, it was just a a blessing to be still on set working and doing that. >> Yeah, sometimes you just need to appreciate people and sometimes it takes a loss before you appreciate others sometimes. >> It's just like you just get too used to people. You get too used to them being around. You take them for granted >> and then if they're gone, you just >> That's You know what, Joe? That's what I was [ __ ] literally saying. He's just gone just like that. >> Lived in New York. uh had a best friend that was a drug addict and uh he was uh a crack addict at one point in time and then uh later he started getting into uh harder stuff like opiates and >> and he died of an overdose and um I moved to LA in '94 but you know we stayed friends we hung out he would come out to visit me I'd go to visit him but he was always [ __ ] up he was always a mess came to my house once and detoxed I didn't know that that's why he wanted to come to LA but he came to LA and he just so sick he just laid in bed for four or five days and then you know a couple days later he had to go back to New York but he uh died of an overdose and uh another buddy of mine that I'm good friends with called me out that we were we were all tight together and called me up and it just never made sense. I was like how is he not here?
>> Yeah. >> How is he gone? Like it it just >> it just [ __ ] me up where I knew he was going to die. I knew it was going to happen but I couldn't believe it happened. >> Mhm. And then, you know, you got to go back to work. >> I know. >> Back to life. You know, just And you feel so like a piece of you is missing. >> Yeah. >> Like the world doesn't make sense. >> Truly. >> Like a person isn't in the world anymore. It's so hard to imagine until it actually happens. >> So abstract almost. >> And like you said, even if like I had I had enough time to understand he was going, >> right? >> But when they're gone, it's just totally different. >> Yeah. Yeah. And then you just take stock and you're like, "Okay, I got am I doing enough? Am I whatever it is, >> just tell people you appreciate them sometimes." That's sometimes that's all it takes. >> And forgave him. >> Yeah. >> Like I didn't hold I wasn't that son that was like, "Fuck, where were you? Why didn't you do this for me?" Blah blah blah. I wasn't. >> He is who he is. >> Yep. >> And you learn that as you get older. >> Yeah. People are who they are. And some people also they grew up with monsters. >> That's the other problem. If you try to pretend that, you know, your parents should have their [ __ ] together because you have your [ __ ] together and they were your parents. >> No. Who raised them? They were raised by people living in the depression. You know what I mean? >> They were raised by animals. >> Yeah. >> Like, >> yeah, we've only been truly civilized. >> Truly, >> humans have only been truly civilized for the last few decades. >> Truly, >> I think most of history is just horrific barbarism. It's just slaughter and and
crime and repeat and repeat. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Over and over and over again until we developed >> the ability to communicate how bad that is, >> you know. >> And it doesn't fix it. >> It fixes it a little. It gets it makes it a little better, but still still even today, >> you know, there's >> But the pipes, so every time I hear the pipes, I'm like, "Ah, it gets you." >> Yeah. Oh, I'd imagine. Now, >> I do want to go to Scotland. >> Scotland's beautiful. >> Yeah, I haven't been. >> I've been there a few times. I love it. Yeah, I love it. People are very cool and it's not overcrowded. And if you can get past the rain, which is kind of a good break every now, especially if you live in LA. >> Yeah. >> It's a good break to see rain everywhere where they like Good luck starting a fire out there. >> Yeah. Yeah. Right. >> You know, >> and to go into the Highlands, maybe take a motorcycle trip or I do want to go and and watch those world championships. Oh, yeah. Oh, the highlight. >> So, the guy I hired a three pipers for his funeral. >> Oh, wow. >> And I pull in I got this on [ __ ] video and uh I pull into the parking lot, a little church in the middle of my town and they're doing the [ __ ] putting the air in the bag. And I was like, this time it crushed me. And I took a video from my truck and I went out, introduced myself and he's like, "You're not going to [ __ ] believe this." And I'm like, he's older guy. Um, and he's like, I played next to your father at the World Championships. >> Wow. >> Wow. Like just randomly, this is the guy playing the funeral. >> Wow. >> And uh he was [ __ ] amazing. And uh he stayed a while and then it was like this little church. You go into this little gymnasium kind of spot and he stayed and played in the in the back. Uh, and some of my that I didn't know, but some of his my dad's favorite songs. So, I had
those on video, too. But it was just beautiful. >> Wow. >> Yeah. And it brought all three boys back together, you know. Now we're on good terms. It's been super cathartic. I was the only one to speak at the funeral. And uh I'm in the pew and it's his sister who I hadn't seen in a decade. and uh my two brothers and their kids and my oldest is just a puddle. He's just he's wearing sunglasses >> and just a mess. And the priest was actually quite great. He was funny and uh and then my other brother was in front of me and he was a puddle and he doesn't like speaking and I don't either as me. I'm I get a little nervous or whatnot. I'm always good if I'm in character or hiding behind something. But the priest was like, "Okay, um, now's the time to say something." And the whole church is just like, and I look at Damon, my other brother Brody, and Damon looks back at me, priest looks at me, he's like, "Now's the time." >> Oh, so you just had to decide it was you. >> Yeah. And then my auntie Lee uh just squeezed my hand. I'm like, "I'm [ __ ] saying something, aren't I?" And she's she's like, "Yes, you are." So, I get up and I just said, "You know, if there's any light to to this whole situation, it's that all three us of us brothers are are back on great terms now." >> Oh, that's great. >> Yeah. It's great. >> That's cool. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And then right right back to Primeval. >> Yeah. Right back to prime eagle. Go get on banana breads off. >> Take it out on those [ __ ] man. Yeah. What a trip. What a trip. >> Yeah, that is a that's a a crazy experience, man. When you were doing the Caresh thing, like what was the thing that [ __ ] you up the most about playing him? >> About even preparing to play him? trying to root him emotionally to those circumstances that were so foreign. Like the emotional beats of like I just didn't understand it. I didn't understand how someone could do what he did. And then he was very woe is me. Like he played the victim incredibly manipulatively well. Uh, and I would
always say he's like a great coach in and he would a great coach would be like with you he could train you and push certain buttons, but then he'll do something totally different with someone else and incredibly manipulative. So, I think just trying to root that and understand like I I don't think I'll ever understand some of the actions obviously um to that level like how someone can do that. Um, but it is all out of fear and insecurity and trauma. Like that part of it I did >> understand. and memorizing the Bible as a defense mechanism because when he's with there was over 20 theologians that would get on the call with him and if you and I listen to uh child protective service calls uh obviously all the Nznner uh calls uh which was the played by Michael Shannon who's amazing and uh and every time he got his back to the wall and they had a point or had something or had a level up on them he would go right into Bible speak, which nobody could keep up with him on. So, he would gain that upper hand, and I would just go into a [ __ ] dialogue about a dragon with one eye is about to come and show its face and bear its teeth and take the children. Like, what the [ __ ] do you say to that? >> You know, if you're on the call, >> right? Right. >> And you're trying to have a rational conversation of like, let the children out. right? >> We want these kids out. And he goes, "Right." And he just goes into this Bible speak. You're like, there's no real rebuttal to that. >> And that was he did this with child protective services, too, >> on those calls. He would just go right. And that was such an anchor to him >> because nobody could play a card like that. >> Right. Because as soon as you say words from the Bible, you're right. >> You have to be right. And he's literally quoting the Bible. >> Yeah. And you're you going to argue with me? You're arguing with the Bible, >> right? >> It's trump card. >> Truly. >> Yeah. >> Truly. And he would go to like Oxford and have debates with theologians in the classes. And that's how he recruited a
lot of people that he would win these debates and they would come and join come to Texas. Like it really like he would write these letters to people and send tapes to Australia and get them to come. >> Wow. >> Yeah. Like this was incredibly smart guy like that you have to give to him. >> That isn't it so [ __ ] up that someone with a brain that works that well >> would choose to use it in that way. >> All just fear. I mean, even the way like he's talking about God and the the end of days and um how he needs to bear I think around 22 children that are going to go up with him and ride a cloud up there and all these crazy things. He had the answers to aliens. Uh >> what was that answer? >> I can't remember. But people I do want to know the to your point though it's like he ended up shooting himself in the head, right? which ironically you don't go to heaven if you do that which is um but also like he does all this [ __ ] and I don't know just that was a big thing for like Paul Sparks and I who played my right-hand man of like when we shot that death scene of like man like I do wish to your point he was still alive and we could learn [ __ ] you know all these guys they end this like they drink the [ __ ] Kool-Aid in the bed or the [ __ ] It's such a fascinating perspective that I do wish we could break that down and maybe learn something from this than just him shooting himself in the head and burning a burning in the house. >> What you could learn what you could learn like especially after the event like the raid on the compound and everything like what could all the people are dead like how what could you learn from that guy then? >> He's going to be so [ __ ] up. >> Yeah. I mean, nine people survived that. One of the survivors, uh, Tibido, was there with us, his drummer. >> Oh, wow. >> Every day. >> Whoa. >> And, uh, yeah. And, uh, >> what did he say? He was like, >> it goes back to your point that he still was thinking that he's coming back. >> Oh my god.
>> Yeah. >> Wow. >> So, he I know. >> Wow. And this didn't come out until our last week of shooting cuz I got along incredibly well with him. And he did give us he did write a great book and give me insight to moments that I asked to be in the show. But I mean, he was going, I don't know, to North Dakota or the Dakotas to someone had blueprints for an alien warship and he was going to see these blueprints and we were just in between takes. We're we're in between takes sitting in our set chairs and me and Paul Sparks and we're like, "Hey, what what are you doing after this after we rap?" And he went on and and told us he was going to look at blueprints to this warship and we're like, "Okay." >> Wow. >> Copy that. Yeah. So, those are the type of guys though that >> wind up being cults. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Sweet man, >> like very helpful, was great to us and was very open. But >> I mean, a lot of majority of people are followers, right? So, >> well, there's a lot of people out there that have brains that don't really work that well, >> right? >> Just >> truly >> that's just how it goes. It's a very unfortunate roll of the dice, but your your brain does not let you navigate through life very well. And you need someone to hold your hand and tell you what to do, even if it's completely illogical. >> Yeah. >> And those people wound up becoming followers. >> Yeah. I think it was the new light. He called it the new light. This is a while ago, but I think it was the new light. He Dave woke up and he got all everyone together and he's like I just had a word with God and it's the new light something and uh it's where I'm going to I'm the only one now that is going to sleep with the women and this guy named Norm I think he was Australian or anyways this guy was like [ __ ] that [ __ ] I'm out and like 20 30
people left, but a lot stayed, right? >> A lot stayed. Yeah. You're always going to get people that stay and then they think that if they stay, he'll like them even more now. And those other losers who are in the way of them getting attention from Dave now I'm going to be tighter. I'm staying. [ __ ] that. I'm team Caresh. >> You [ __ ] my wife, bro. >> [ __ ] jersey on. >> Nuts. >> Team it is, man. >> Nuts. >> It is. It's a weird thing that people have like encoded in us to look for a leader. >> I know. >> Very strange. >> I know. >> You know, I think it's just from tribal DNA. That's what I think. >> Yeah, that's a good point. I've never thought about that. >> If when we were groups of like 150 people, the only way we could survive, you got to listen to the wisest, most experienced person, and that's the tribal leader. That's how it always was. It was the greatest warrior, the one who knew where the fish were. guy who knows what you're supposed to eat and not eat and where the danger is. And that guy's going to help you, keep you alive. >> And we always have that in everything. We have it in businesses. We have There's always like a one top monkey at the top of the carrot. >> Yeah. [ __ ] carrot. >> It's weird. But you see it in chimpanzees, too, man. It's crazy. It's a primate behavior. They all they'll all those chimpanzees, they have a tribe leader. >> They have they have one guy who's the [ __ ] top chimp. He's he's running [ __ ] It's weird, man. It's like it's encoded in us. >> And so for people that aren't that smart, someone like David Caresh can totally exploit that >> and go, I am the leader. You're like, "Wow, I'm so glad I met you. I was lost without you. You are found now, my son. You are found." And also like that guy's so confident. He must be >> I'm not confident. >> Yeah. You did say tanks were coming and they're here. So literally that was a
big moment. That was a big moment. >> Wow. Oh, that must have been freaking >> the seven seals. He was rewriting the seven seals his final days. >> Oh boy. >> I know. >> The whole raid on the compound thing is nuts. Like when you see the fire coming out of the tanks, you're like, "What did you guys do?" >> Yeah. >> There's a guy that ironically was Dick Duran, his lawyer, >> and he was speaking in Santa Fe when we were shooting this. So I'm like, "Full [ __ ] stop. We're going to hear Dick Duran speak. And he's speaking about Waco. >> He's speaking about his experiences as a lawyer. >> Wow. >> And he did. And I went and introduced myself and there's a crazy story. It was Dave's mom who called him and was like, "This is what's happening. Would you go help?" Blah blah blah. He was on a fishing trip, I think. And he's like, "Yeah, I'm going to go." So, he showed up to the compound on the perimeter that was set and he's like, "I'm that guy's lawyer in that house. You need to take me over there." FBI puts him in a [ __ ] tank and he goes to the front door in a tank. >> And uh the door has this big p I've tried getting this in the show in the show and we couldn't but um so there's a big piano at the front door blockade. Dave wasn't allowed to walk by the windows. All this kind of stuff. This is deep into the 51day standoff. and uh Dave's right-hand man and uh played by Paul Sparks and another his lawyer, Harvard grad, I think, um answer the door and Dick's like, "Oh, I see uh the bullet holes in the ceiling, couple bodies that the ATF weren't uh didn't allow you to take out. Um you got a case here, but where's Dave?" And they show him the house and all this kind of stuff. And so they're back in the foyer and the piano's against the wall and they're talking and he's like, "Okay, I don't I want to help, but I don't know where Dave is." And he's leaving. And he's like, "You got a [ __ ] case." And the right-hand man just goes, "Dave was in the [ __ ] piano listening to this whole thing. What a psycho." And so he got back in
the tank and Dave got briefed of their walk through there. And anyways, Dh Dick Diran was his lawyer on that. What a [ __ ] story though. >> How crazy. >> And I wanted to be in that piano and shoot that. >> Yeah, >> that would have been unbelievable. >> Yeah, that would have been an important part. >> I know. Yeah, >> it's an important part of the story. >> It really is. >> That's how nuts he was. He hid in the [ __ ] piano. so scared to get shot or didn't trust anything. God. >> But those guys apparently in that in that tank, they were like ripping Dick Duran and like spitting on him and doing this kind of [ __ ] because they're like, "You do know they just killed a bunch of ATF guys in that shootout as well. And you're going to go [ __ ] be this guy's lawyer? [ __ ] you." >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Rightly so. But the thing like what started off the feud? I don't even remember like who how did bullets wind up flying? >> Yeah. So it was Dave had he was selling like homemade bulletproof vests and was like had these I know [ __ ] and the ATF were kind of spiraling out like their funding was about they were about to get defunded >> and they needed a win. Oo, >> they needed it. What was it? The ridge. Uh, >> Ruby. >> Yeah, there you go. So, they dropped the ball huge on Ruby Ridge, right? >> Say that again. >> Yeah. >> So, which is at the very beginning of Waco. And they needed a [ __ ] win. Here, find a cult leader into weapons, selling ammunition, I think, and bulletproof vests and this kind of stuff. And this guy's got these kids and all this is perfect. And that started it of just like we're gonna go get this guy. And there's a famous tape that we put in the show too where Dave was like, you know, why didn't you just like he did this run all the time and was kind of just out and about working on the house, running around. He had a [ __ ] go-kart track around the uh the
compound. And he's like, "Why wouldn't you just arrest me when I'm on a run, when I'm on this or that?" But they needed a lot of press and they needed to get funded again. So they made this a spectacle and then it [ __ ] turned into what you saw. Like they were they wouldn't let fire trucks come and take that fire out. That's a fact. And then um they're playing that music of animals being like mutilated into the compound. Um yeah, then they were flying the ATF flag. I asked for that to be put in, but we didn't put it in. But they were flying the ATF flag while it was burning down. >> Wow. >> Yeah. It's legit. >> Wow. >> Crazy, man. >> Wow. They needed a win. >> Yeah. >> And then >> that's so dark. >> I know. I know. Picture I35 right here. [ __ ] tanks. >> Mhm. >> And all these armored trucks, everything going down I35. It's incredible, you know? And they're just sitting right in front of of the house and 51 days is [ __ ] crazy. >> That is crazy. >> Yeah. >> Wow. >> I know. >> It's just hard to believe that they would do that. But then you you read the Ruby Ridge thing like they shot a woman while she was holding her baby. >> The kid in the back, I think. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. The dog. >> Shot a kid. Dog. Yeah. >> And for what? >> I know. >> For what? For nothing. >> I know. >> Yeah. It's weird, man. It's weird. You You could You could be an assassin for the government. >> Yeah. >> And even just think you're just doing your job, >> but it's like this is seems pretty [ __ ] criminal, guys. >> It's a lot horrifically. It's a lot. >> Yeah. It's just hard to believe that they would
>> 776 people died. the videos 20 something kids >> like driving over the house with a tank and shooting fire into it >> like and then they denied doing that. They denied doing that with the tank shooting fire but you could you could watch it >> smoke. Yeah, >> you could watch the fire come out of the tank. >> Yeah, >> it's horrible [ __ ] man. >> I know. What a role. >> So when you get out of that role, when you stop playing that guy, man, how long does it take before you you go back to being you? Probably I bet you a month, six weeks till you shed it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Go do something that makes you feel you and alive. Motorcycle ride, something. Get the [ __ ] out. >> Do you like dream of that guy? >> Oh yeah. Not anymore. >> But you did while you were doing it. >> Oh yeah. Oh yeah. >> Yeah. Your subconscious. funny because it's like that's you marry yourself emotionally to said circumstance and so my subconscious and I'm sure a lot of actors will say it's like you're wide open and so you're more vulnerable. I'm way more emotional and so because you just do the work and you're just your subconscious is open so my your dreams once I start dreaming a little [ __ ] crazy visceral stuff that's when I know I'm getting closer for sure. >> Wow. Yeah. >> Like you're getting haunted >> a little bit. >> It takes six weeks to detox you and [ __ ] exercise the ghosts. >> And then it's like you play this guy. You know what's [ __ ] crazy? It was ACL and I was walking and prepping for Waco and randomly out of nowhere this guy is talking about Waco and that it never happened. Like this is so random. And I was with my buddy who's out there and I was like, "Holy [ __ ] what the we got to do this story now." Like, there's people out there that believe that it's just one conspiracy theory that never happened. >> That's so crazy. >> And I was like, "What?
>> There's people that believe everything, though. If you could figure out the conspiracy, there's a whole group of people on Reddit dedicated to it. >> You're late to the party. Any conspiracy, just fill in the blank. There's there's a bunch of people that think space is fake. There's a whole online community of people that don't believe in space. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Okay. >> There's people that believe a lot. >> Big >> Yeah. >> Just just to say that alone just feels like Sorry. >> Yeah. It's people that like flat earth is not crazy enough. They want to take it to the next level. The next level is space doesn't even exist. >> Okay. You know, >> that's all you know when you get older and people will just straight up like >> when they talk at you telling you false [ __ ] >> right? You're like, "Okay, >> okay." >> Usually I'll bite and be like, "You're an idiot. This is what is actually happening." But no, now it's like, "All right." >> Sometimes exhausting, though. You just shut up. That's so fake. >> Yep. How do you >> But they like double down, triple down on it. >> Yeah. >> Um >> Yeah. I just had one of those moments. >> You used to be a lot more of those people before the internet. >> I know, man. That's a dangerous game. >> Yeah. I don't read [ __ ] which is really helped me. >> Oh, yeah. >> It really like >> That's very healthy. >> Yeah, it is. Like, >> yeah. >> I don't read any uh reviews. >> Good for you. >> Any of that. I learned the hard way, man. I got hammered on John Carter. >> Um that put me in a dark spot. >> Um but yeah, had to rebuild everything. Um, but yeah, that uh you're down that tunnel and you're just like like they're not just like he's a bad actor. It's like this guy should die.
>> Yeah, you're a terrible person. Yeah, >> it's nuts. >> Personal attack. >> The world be better if you were never born. Like whoa. >> Damn. >> [ __ ] I know you're just trying to write a saucy article, but holy [ __ ] >> It's a lot of [ __ ] sauce. >> Lot of vitriol there. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It's weird, man. people that but that's you know they like doing that to people they don't know it's it's >> zero accountability it's so easy >> and now because of social media anybody can do it >> you never used to hear people's opinions before you if you had a movie in 1979 the general public either went to see it or did not >> and it was like a word of mouth thing and then there was like Cisco and Eert and whoever else was reviewing stuff >> the five other reviewers that was it and if the New York Times said it was good you'd go see it Yeah. >> Yeah. But now it's like [ __ ] everybody negative always beats >> you get more clicks on a negative hit and then you know that was the beauty of like Friday Night Lights. Like I never there weren't reviews really and I was just we didn't have social [ __ ] media. >> We're in Austin. No real producers on set or writers. We're kind of Pete set it up so great. And you're just going there slinging, trying [ __ ] failing, trying again. It was such an amazing experience >> without all that extra input. >> Yeah. Without any of the weight of like is this going to be successful? Like what does that even mean now, you know? >> Yeah. They Well, do they still do focus groups when they do a film? >> Yes, >> they still do that. Definitely. So that's kind of like a small internet. >> Yeah, >> it is kind of cuz you're like, well, who are these people? They might be like 200 morons. Yeah. Like, >> by the way, I like Oklahoma, but there's certain spots where, you know, like if you wanted to tank a movie, you'd do a focus group and, you know, some [ __ ] community where everybody's on fentinel like
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> You guys watch this movie. Tell >> through half. But I don't like that guy's hat. >> It's Do they get paid? Is that like a job? >> I know. That's a good question. >> I bet they do. I bet they do. Which is then you have to factor in, okay, what kind of a person is getting paid to do focus groups? They they might be a failure. They might be a really dullwitted, dull-minded person. And they get to decide the direction of this movie. >> And like, I don't like the ending. >> Yep. Re-shoots. 20 million re-shoots. >> 40% of the audience said they didn't like the ending. 40% of the audience wouldn't pass a piss test. >> Yeah, true. >> Even like John Carter was like one of the highest tested movies in Disney's history. and we got hammered obviously, but it's like I don't know how much that moves the needle or anything. >> I think people distrust the media more than they trust the media now. But if something sucks, like if a critic says it sucks, it still works. >> Like if I see a one-star review like, "Oh, that movie supposedly sucks." Like I don't give it any other thought. It still does work. >> But if something's really good, people go, "No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. [ __ ] the critics. critics. This movie rules like look at Adam Sandler's movies. The critics always hate them. The audiences always love them. >> Always. It's the most >> lopsided thousand. >> I know. It's crazy. >> His movies. He's the best. He's the nicest guy of all time. >> And he's a great regular actor, too. Uncut Gems was bananas. >> That movie came so much anxiety. >> I was like, don't do it. >> He played that guy, that gambling addict so well. So believable. >> Great directors, too. >> Yeah, it's just it's great. >> Smart guy. Smart move. >> But his comedies, I love his comedies. They're fun. And I love that I can watch with my kids. Like, he's got they're funny. Like Jack and Jill is funny. It's [ __ ] silly and ridiculous. And Al
Puccini's in love with his sister. Who is him? It's funny, man. It's a funny movie. It's so stupid and silly, but that's But the critics hate those movies. They hate them. Like, okay, what are you going to see? It's an Adam Sandler movie. This He's really good at making this kind of movie. And if you want to go see a fun, light-hearted, silly movie, >> which we need a little more >> with a lot of heart to it. >> Yeah. >> His movies are the ones to go to. >> Yeah. >> But critics hate them. >> Yeah. >> They don't. It doesn't matter. If people love it, that's what matters. >> Yeah. I mean, Terminalist season 1 >> Yes. >> We got hammered. >> Yes. >> And the people spoke, man. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It didn't matter. >> That's why I'm here. >> Yeah. Like that's why Dark Wolf is dark. We're doing it, you know? It's because people wanted to see why Ben is [ __ ] the way he is and made that decision. >> Yeah. >> If it didn't, there's no way we would have got that green lit. There's no way. >> Well, because it's written by Jack. So Jack Carr, who's a good friend of mine, who's an awesome human being and also a SEAL and writes and and had the goal, this is how crazy Jack is, had the goal of first becoming a SEAL, getting military experiencing and then becoming a great writer. Like he had it in his head. Did he really? Yes. >> He always wanted to be a SEAL. He always wanted to serve. So he wanted to do those things, get real life experience, get I mean that guy has a love of history, unbelievable, incredible walking encyclopedia. >> He's so brilliant and his recall is phenomenal. >> So but but imagine that kind of decision making. I'm going to be a SEAL. I'm going to go get deployed. I'm going to get military combat experience. And then I'm going to go write books. >> Damn. This is his that was his like set >> eight bestsellers >> seven or eight
>> and right out of the box terminalist his first book is [ __ ] incredible. It's incredible. But the guy prepared for it his whole life like he's a a voracious reader. Voracious reader reads constantly can recommend books constantly. He's always great about that. >> And his so his first book out of the gate it's like he'd been preparing for it his whole life. I mean, when he comes onto set and we were shooting this, I episode five, he came to Budapest and his energy, like he's like a kid in a candy store, man. >> It's like I'm [ __ ] gassed out, tired, and like just getting beat up and here comes Carr >> and it's just the light. It just brings an energy to that set that is just like, man, we're so lucky to be here. And you're like, you know what? You're kind of [ __ ] right. We are. >> Yeah. >> And I just love that guy, man. Super supportive. Right when I got the role. >> Yeah. >> He's like not pressing me. He's like, I know you've played a seal before. If you want any of my notes who Ben is. And he's like, if you want that long leash, here it is. Like, I trust you. Like, he's been nothing but amazing with me so far. So, >> he's a brilliant guy. >> He really is. >> Yeah. It really is. >> Super caring. >> Yep. Yep. >> Yeah. Well, just a great man. >> Yeah. >> Like a truly great man. >> Yeah. It's It's so cool when a guy like that gets to write stories that really reflect the true lives that he led and that he knows a lot of his friends lead and >> it's real. It's like >> he has a an understanding of it that obviously the success of his books and the success of the series >> that understanding just translates in a way like oh this is very authentic. >> Yeah. Even like little notes, man, I would get with the gunwork and all that kind of [ __ ] And obviously you listen, but it's just like he's he comes at you of just more excitement. >> Mhm. >> And you don't take it personal. You
can't. And you want to get it [ __ ] right. When you have him and Jared Shaw, who's another SEAL, and Mendoza, who's a SEAL, and we got a a what? Army Ranger who writes a lot of it. Like, we're surrounded by these guys every day. So if they want if anything is not authentic, you're I mean the [ __ ] meter is like [ __ ] two feet away, you know? And I love that though cuz they're doing a lot of my work for me, helping me, making me look like [ __ ] Ben, >> right? >> You know, >> it's a complicated character, too. >> Yeah. A lot of that stuff, like one of my best buddies, a seal and had like 200 guys under him, fought in Ramani, and bomb specialist guy. Wicked dude. And um there's a moment in the CIA room in in in episode 1 that was written and then I kind of I've been hearing this from him for so long. And so it's kind of ingrained in me of just like how there's always someone to answer to and you're never really getting the full transparent part of what they're putting you out for. So I'd heard all these stories for like the last since loan. I met him alone and um and so that scene I was like, "This is for you, man. I'm just going to [ __ ] go and have at it with this CIA guy." And uh he was at the premiere and watched it and love that beat. But it's like I get to serve, you know, some of these guys that they they don't get to have those moments, you know, and that's so fun for me to just [ __ ] go and light them up in that room. >> One of my favorite scenes. >> Cathartic. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> So, I steal from these guys even like and I get it. I got hammered or Ben got hammered for being the twist of uh season one, right? I'm the guy who kind of orchestrated a lot of it. And um and I was talking to Marcus cuz I'm like, how the [ __ ] am I going to root this guy, this seal that's like best friends with Ree? And now all of a sudden the twist is like, man, I I had a hand in this. I I'm the guy that put you guys down that tunnel on that op and your whole [ __ ] platoon died uh for the most part. And um I just literally it was like a little moment that I had with Latrrell where he was talking about going back and dying with his boots on
and I was like really settle into what that means. This warrior is just decidedly going to die over there serving. It's beautifully tragic. And I was like, that is where I hung my hat with Ben of like how I can root this crazy twist of like, I'm making this decision for you, but you're gonna go die with your boots onstead of this [ __ ] you're going to die rotting in this hospital bed, no insurance, your family, all this kind of [ __ ] I'm like, I'm going to take that decision for you. So that's where I rooted Ben for season one. >> Wow. >> Yeah. And then I go and open uh the Mike Murphy Museum with Dan and Marcus and a lot of other seals obviously and uh a lot of the seals were like I [ __ ] get it, you know, but a lot of people just were like, "How could you?" So, and I get that part too, >> but it was just like >> both things are true. >> Yeah. Truly. >> Yeah. Both things are true. How could you and I could? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> He's a human being, you know. And you know, that's that's one of the reasons why the show is so interesting because people are [ __ ] super complex >> and how [ __ ] gray it all is. >> Yep. >> And how it goes back to like you're in mourning of a buddy. Uh you you broke this promise. His family's dead and now I'm on an op and I get in front of the guy that killed this guy's family. I'm going to [ __ ] put him down. [ __ ] this. I'll take The beauty of Ben too in this is he's accountable for it. like I'll take it take my trident then I'd do it all over again which is a beautiful thing and I think he does like it's it's a very it's an emotional reaction that you know frays his life and uh the other character uh uh Rafe's character he gets his trident taken but it's that's one thing we were talking about earlier of just like it's so [ __ ] gray and in these really split decision vision moments that you have and these guys aren't [ __ ] robots out there. It's like they're emotional. They're [ __ ] trained like better than anybody, but at times they have to make these decisions that is like, "Okay, you're going to
[ __ ] put those girls on the black market or sell them or put them in the sex trade. You don't get to live anymore. I'm going to do that." But that's a beautiful thing, too, you know. >> Yeah. People can relate to it cuz if you were if you were in that scenario, what would you do? And most people would like to believe. They would say, "You're not going to live anymore." >> Yes. Exactly. We have these talks on set all the time. You on American Primeval, we can romanticize the 1850s or at least I did at the beginning of like, "This guy's a [ __ ] mountain man. This is sick." Like, he's a [ __ ] They're like, "If I if you see me on the river in 1852 and you're like, I want your jacket, you're going to just come up and kill me and take my jacket." Yeah. >> Like that's how [ __ ] up the 1800s were back then. Lawless. >> Lawless. >> And so we started shooting and uh I was like, "We're shooting at 10,000 ft up there and you're cold and we're still spoiled. Obviously, your trailer's 50 ft away, but it's like, "Fuck this." I'm like, there is nothing in me that would want to be in the 1850s. >> Nothing. >> Nothing. >> No. I can't believe people made it through. >> I can't either. >> It's hard. >> I can't either. >> And those people were living in the lap of luxury comp people compared to people who lived 4,000 years before that. >> Oh my god. Yeah. Good boy. 200 years earlier. >> Yeah. >> It's nuts. I mean, it's like what we were talking about earlier. civilization is super recent. I mean, it's not obviously there's ancient Egypt and all that stuff, but I mean, what we're dealing with right now is super recent. >> Yeah. >> Relative safety, relative security, >> relative, you know, >> I mean, do you do you when you go hunt, you're Utah, back country, wherever you're going, you're going to be in the [ __ ] It's going to be beautiful and quiet and like >> I live for that. >> Yeah. Well, that's why Montana is a
great It's a great place to hunt, too. And Montana is a truly wild place. >> I mean, outside of Bosezeman, >> right? Yeah. 30 30 minutes outside. >> 30 minutes outside, you've got like a truly beautiful incredible >> un just un >> if you've never experienced the mountains, like the true mountains, especially when there's some snow on the ground and the wind's whistling around, it's like >> it's majestic. It's like the most extraordinary >> work of art that nature created. >> There's something about like mountains >> just like it like awe inspiring. It's like wow. >> Makes perspective sinks into you. You're in the moment >> and it's weird that very few people live near him. >> I know, right? >> When you get there, when you get there, you're like, "Oh my god, I want to see this every day." >> It's like >> then you're on a flight to New York and two days. >> I lived outside of Boulder for a while. Oh, beautiful. >> And uh it was like that every day. It was like you're just driving through these mountains like this is incredible. Like this view that you have is like a vitamin. Like restores your soul. >> Look at this place. And it's it's not a coincidence that people in mountain communities are chilled out. >> Yeah, you're right. >> It's not a coincidence. They're surrounded by this overwhelming majesty of nature and it's humbling. >> Yeah, it is. >> It makes you a little chiller. >> Totally. Yeah. >> And I think for me too, it's so good for the brain for all those reasons, but also it's just like if I'm sitting around feeling sorry for myself or whatever it is, bored. It's like it's your [ __ ] fault if you're bored out there, >> right? >> There's a thousand hikes, go get into wildlife, go to the national park, go for a [ __ ] walk, anything. >> Fix your perspective. >> Truly. And it does. It does. >> It does. after some intense roll or
whatever it is, once I land in Bosezeman, man, I get on the bike or whatever, go fly fish, it's like it's it's a beautiful thing. >> And there's less people there, so it's like >> you don't feel the buzz. It's like >> relax. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I just bought a $35 [ __ ] protein shake before I came here >> in Austin. >> Yeah. Yeah. I was like, >> what the [ __ ] is in it? I look up. Yeah. It's like I don't know. Probably like koala DNA that's going to give me hard for the next seven days or something. >> Grass-fed tallow. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Where'd you get what's How's it How do they charge 35 bucks for a smoothie? That seems a little >> I keep adding [ __ ] I was adding >> Oh, you're adding protein. >> Yeah. Creatine. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> But I was like, what's happening? >> Yeah. It's not Montana. But even Austin, like compared to where I lived before I lived in LA and living here is like >> there's only two million people. >> Yeah. >> It's so much more. >> Yeah. >> Like what they think is traffic is adorable. This cute little traffic, >> man. It's true. LA is insane. >> It's just a terrible way to live. >> It really is. >> Yeah. It's a terrible way to live. Yeah. And I think I get how people used to want to live there because it was the center of, you know, the TV business, the comedy business, but it's >> it's not worth it, kids. >> No, >> it's not good for soul. >> Nothing's being filmed there anymore. It's rare. It's just >> weird, right? >> Yeah, it is. >> How did that happen? I don't know. >> How did they [ __ ] that up? >> I know. >> How did you [ __ ] up the one spot where everybody wanted to move to to be an actor? >> You [ __ ] up that spot. >> Yeah.
>> And they have everything. mountains, beaches, [ __ ] >> You can get to the mountains, to the shore in 2 hours. You're You're up in Big Bear. You're down in Santa Monica. 2 hours. It's nuts. >> Studios, everything's there. >> Yeah. And they [ __ ] it up. >> Yep. >> Brutal. What the [ __ ] is happening? >> I don't know. >> I know. >> I don't know. I'd blame politics, but I think there's a lot of other stuff going on, too. I just think the people running it. It probably takes exceptional people to have real vision >> and learn how to keep keep stuff together. >> Yeah. I don't know. >> I don't know either. >> Not a big fan of LA. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I lived here for 17 years. >> Did you love it here? You know, I did. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I love the lake life. >> It's nice. >> It's [ __ ] amazing. >> It's a chilled city, too. It's like genuinely good people here. >> Yeah. There are >> normal people, you know? In LA, everybody is like a failed actor, want to be an actor, trying to get on a reality show, >> looking to be a Tik Tok influencer. >> Everybody's got something >> and they want something from you. >> Always. >> Always. >> Yeah. And every connection they make is like a networking thing. Every new friend becomes someone is an asset. >> An asset. >> Yeah. Because like very transactional. >> Yeah. Gross. >> Yeah. It's gross. >> Yeah. >> Well, listen, brother. You're a very interesting guy and uh you got some awesome stories and you're a really great actor and so I've been a fan for a long time. So this was really fun. >> Thank you. Thanks for having me. >> My pleasure, brother. Um tell everybody one more time. Terminalist Darkwolf. It's available now on Amazon. >> On Amazon,
>> which is great. And uh I know the terminalist killed it for Amazon. It was a huge show. >> We're number one right now. Yeah. Thanks. >> That's awesome. It's a great show. It's a great show. All right. My pleasure. Bye everybody. [Music] [Applause] [Music]