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Joe Rogan podcast check it out The Joe Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all [Music] day good to see you we're debuting these mugs my friend uh turkey MK on Instagram sent me these cheshire cat mugs is that badass yeah that's really good thought it'd be good for you cuz we're you know we're talking about mind [ __ ] chesar cat's a little bit of a mind [ __ ] in the SIM yeah for sure so uh you were just telling me that you had a brain disease and you what did you do to fix it so I uh what was it first of all uh it's temporal of epilepsy with mesial temporal sclerosis when did you develop this we don't know but uh I started having seizuring like a few years ago and everybody in my family knows I'm a neuroscientist I've say with a lowercase n not a PhD neuroscientist but uh but you studied Neuroscience yeah I I postgrad at Harvard and and Duke but uh they assumed you know Chase has studied all this stuff he's going to know if he's having seizures but these seizures come with amnesia so I didn't remember that I was having any of them and this was like three years ago I had retired from the military and then started having these seizures so then I I found a neurologist just the the drug that they gave me the number one side effect was seizures of from this pharmaceutical company so I kind of looked around and I found this guy's a functional medicine guy and he got me on uh methylene blue to start off and I know Mel Gibson was on here talking about it m and that instantly stopped everything and some other stuffff was a fabric die right yeah in 1890 how weird and it who the [ __ ] drank it first who's that guy make blue jeans out of that huh wonder what it tastes like yeah what if I drink it every day if it affects my health it it tastes like chewing an asp I'd take it okay yeah I take it every day as well and yeah RFK Jr told me about it yeah man it's fantastic and so this guy's injecting in 1890 injects these rats with it and then does an autopsy on these things and their brain the brain stem every single nerve is blue so he discovered this
methylene blue has an affinity for neuronal tissue so he says well it's sucking into neurons what's it doing so we could talk about if you want to but sure um how it's working and working in the body so we started putting it in humans and we found out it's an MAOI which is mono Aman oxide inhibitor yeah yeah uh which helps with depression and anxiety and all kinds of Life stress and stuff does it um cause side effects if you're taking any drug that you shouldn't take with an MAOI there are some studies that have been recalled U that said you can't take it with ssris because you could develop serotonin syndrome right but they they did recall the study as far as I'm aware and it is so incredible that it acts as an electron donor to mitochondria especially your neuronal mitochondria so it helps you produce more ATP and it helps you get rid of this stuff called reactive oxygen species so you have a oxygen molecule should have two hydrogens on it and like your body's job is to convert stuff into water so you can pee it out so if you get an oxygen molecule it's got four five one it's a reactive oxygen which we call free radicals so methylene blue goes in there and balances a lot of those things out in your brain and your nervous system so it is a miracle and it's been proven for a hundred years you it's the one of the most well-proven drugs out there what what's the side effects of it are there any not a not a bunch I would imagine if you're taking an MAOI there's there wild [ __ ] going on there yeah like if you mix it with uh anything that has metamine in it like age cheeses red wine you're not supposed to mix it if you're on a high dose though but you're probably taking one milligram per kilogram and you weigh probably 75 kilograms what's that weight what's 75 K you're probably 189 190 close okay yeah pretty close little heav than that okay and uh so you take maybe 40 milligrams a day to 80 milligrams a day and do you you put it in water is that what you do no I have these little trokes it's like the consistency of a starburst oh okay and you just cut them up and they're 40 milligrams each U you obviously got to swallow them really quick or your teeth are going to be blue for the for an entire day yeah yeah it's
a pretty potent die see need my pee yeah well I had to change the toilets in my house to to Black toilets cuz my kids my kids take it my wife takes it Jesus everybody takes it but like if you go to a party and you forget to flush everybody just thinks that it's there's it's one of those supplements that I take I'm like are you sure like every time I take it I'm like are you [ __ ] sure like I I drink it in in water I take a little eye drop and I squirt in water I drink it and every no Gary Brea told me about I should correct that he told me to take it with uh red light therapy that's that's what it was about and he tell you why why it all works he probably did but I probably forgot well it's blue why does it work for red light therapy um so anything that's blue means that it absorbs red and reflects blue light so if you're in a red light therapy machine all your neurons are soaking up way more red light than than they otherwise would without methylene oh so it's Fant it's like 600x the effectiveness of red light therapy really I'm making that up but it is a significant yeah it's a significant increase how weird is it to be uh essentially a brain expert and get a brain disease it was horrifying because I know where this is going to go at the end of the day your hippocampus your memory Center of your brain is eating itself and during a seizure you can lose up to about a million neurons a second and my the seizures were like a minute and a half long and they're not like shaking on the floor a temporal L seizure you just kind of like you're just out like you're unconscious seiz up like Mitch McConnell yeah like you turn into a little zombie your head falls down and um at the end of the day I I tried so many different things to to fix it and stop these seizures I was I was at a point of nine seizures a day Jesus and I was desperate and you think this is because of the medication that they gave you that caus the seizures or is this just a I never took it you oh okay so you had seiz seur but the medication why would they give you something that has a side effect of seizures I don't know if you're getting seizures and I don't know why there I mean you hear so much about these these medical schools getting paid off by companies and stuff that that don't
really have our best interest at heart and I think that methylene blue it's you shouldn't have to tell a doctor about methylene blue I think everybody should know about it and you can get it on Amazon you can get it I I get mine from this company called miden and it's fantastic and it's changed my life I would have been gone by now what's the root cause of this disease do they know they know what's going on so there's one there's two factors you have a genetic predisposition so you have this thing in your genes called the apoe4 AL okay that's the same thing that causes you to get CTE and yeah or Alzheimer's yeah and if you have that plus I shouldn't say causes you but yeah you know it's one of those ones where if you get hit in the head a lot it's not a good thing to have right and then I did 20 years in the military so being around explosions and all kinds of gunfire and all that kind of stuff they said this probably caused some kind of concussive syndrome yeah that's a real issue right exp it's people think of concussions only as like you getting hit but it's not it's just it's any kind of jolting to your body my friend Mark Gordon works with a uh a lot of soldiers and people with traumatic brain injuries and he says you can get it from jet skiing which is really crazy wow just the bounce mhm hard bouncing the jostling if you like people who really love jet skiing and do it all the time they start getting a little bit of CTE that makes sense our our our brain is floating it's neutrally buoyant inside of liquid so that makes sense it's smashing around inside your skull all right it's February and by now 80% of people have probably abandoned their New Year's resolutions and it makes sense life can get crazy and all of a sudden you don't have the time but one easy Habit to stick with is ag1 it's an easy realistic habit that you can make to benefit your whole body Health ag1 makes hard to get micronutrients easy to get and replaces multiple vitamins and supplements with just one scoop you just mix it in some cold water take a nice moment in the morning to do your body right and honestly it tastes pretty good it's not easy to pack this many high quality ingredients with this much nutrient density but ag1 makes it happen without
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age of 30 or so and that was like just a few years before I retired at 38 and I I've the novelty still hasn't worn off for me I'm still obsessed with that that field of study so were you trained to train people like how did you go about starting to train people what was it based on it was me I the first group of people I trained was a car dealership just to see if I could do it I said I'm going to go in there and and do it for free and then I started training people in the military and these are US Navy and other other branches and I'm training them in like these I got obsessed with this interrogation stuff and and how the brain works and and I got mostly got obsessed with if I'm an intelligence officer my job is to convince somebody to do something that's not in their best interest like I I need to convince you to spy for your own country and give us intelligence or if I'm an interrogator I need to convince you to confess to a crime so I spent time hanging out with uh people that do cult recruiting out in California well there's like official people like human resources for cult recruiting yeah what do you mean like how do was do Cults hire them no I think they join the cult and the cult says well this guy's really charismatic or he was uh I think half of these dudes were like ex Club promoters you know they got that Vibe you know like which come by tonight right and I spent time in San Bernardino with a couple of people three or four people three people that talked people women into doing adult films like young girls that were 19 20 years old just starting college and I talked and I asked them what are the methods that you use what are the steps that you follow and I've watched several of these interactions and then spent time with interrogators and people who do like time share sales and stuff like that which I don't know if you've ever been at a time share sales not they're hardcore and so I spent time with all these people and I I wanted to figure out what are the elements that make somebody willing to do something that is maybe not in their best interest and and that transformed everything for me and then I said we could use all of this stuff from Manchurian candidates which we can get into if you want to sure to
uh whatever to help people instead of to do the opposite so I could use the same technique to help a person instead of get them to confess to a crime because it's just a brain I'm not learning about interrogation or cult recruiting or anything I'm just learning where are these little loopholes in the brain does that make sense yeah so what Cults were these people recruiting people for I can't talk about it you can't say the name of the cult name how many different people did you talk to that were cult recruiters six six so there's more than six how many Cults are there active right now it was two there were two Cults two Cults six recruiters yep I call them I would call them Cults but um well I call a lot of things Cults so throw that word around freely let's do it and these guys were just they were they had that little Bill Clinton energy you know what I mean they just kind of captivated the person they were talking to in this little bubble they were all about you they're really interested in you and I heard Tom Cruz is awesome at that oh yeah I heard when you talk to him you're like the only person in the room yeah and it's just that that tell me more tell me more tell me about your mom and you get that they all had that quality to them but one of the things that all of them had the one trait that I think all of those guys had was they could get you to deviate off of your Baseline really quick so if you're they can get you to curse that's step one they get you to say something that's a little bit out of outside of a social Norm they would all do that as step one every single time huh so what what like in the Cults how would they do that what would they try to get you to deviate from what would they try to get you to do so in the their goal was to get you to agree to join the cult so if I can get you to do something that's outside of your Norm so I use something called elicitation so instead of me asking questions let's say we get into the back of an Uber and I want to ask the Uber driver to complain about his job mhm instead of using questions which are weird right so like I'm like hey do you like your job right weird weird it's like saying hey how much do you guys make um you say hey I just read this article the other day it said Uber drivers the are the
most highest respect Ed people out there and they love their job they have the highest job satisfaction rating that's incredible and they turn the guy turns around like what so you bullshitted him right so just that's called uh triggering a need to correct the record it's one of the methods but I very quickly get your brain to associate a mental script of friend mode because he doesn't talk about that with other writers he he [ __ ] about his job to his his friends right so I'm getting your brain to start shifting into this I'm behaving as if I'm with a friend right so I start getting that behavior out of a person very quickly so we're just activating a script in that person's mind that goes from I'm with a client to I'm with a friend and that's a get that's that first level deviation of behavior right there okay and you're once you get the script activated you can start leading them in other directions so the Second Step usually and this goes into manuri and candidate stuff and if you want to talk about searan searan and all that kind of stuff we can sure um but to get them to start making a little bit of an identity agreement are you this type of person so in reality if I wanted you to let's say join a cult like are you the type of person and I'll just have an AB question okay so you know in my life I've discovered there's two types of people there's people that take action when they know something's right and there's people that wait and wait and wait and I'm sure you know people that wait and wait and wait but I've got you to agree that you're type one okay because I said I'm sure you know people and you're even your head nodded right right right so I've got this little agreement of identity I am a type of person who blank right so you're influencing a person to sort of go along with whatever narrative you've already created about them right yes okay and if the moment you get to Identity then you're you're guaranteeing that you can predict future behavior and this goes really deep we can get into hypnosis and all that stuff if you want to and uh once I get identity agreement this is the same thing with politics you see the exact same thing they identity gets hijacked
and then I can do anything I want because your identity is involved here it's not you're agreeing with my ideas you're agreeing because it's who you are right but doesn't the person have to sort of respect you first in order to go along with this sort of social change they have to have some sort of an appreciation of you you have to be impressive at the very beginning yes but the moment your identities is involved they can lead it further and further and further and then so one of the third steps there's a million but if there's a experiment if Jamie could pull it up uh called the the Lions experiment with Dr Solomon Ash lion like the animal or l i n line Lines line L N so where this guy uh is that a table kind of like this but there's you're a volunteer at experiment there's like 15 people in the room everybody else but you is a is a is in on the experiment you're the only volunteer in the room so they show you these lines that um are three lines on one page and they show one page that has one line on it so which line on this page is equal to this line over here okay so obviously you're over here on the target line you're going to pick C right right I mean that's glaringly obvious MH so in this experiment Dr Ash is is doing this Conformity experiment so these other people in the room all go before you and everybody in the room one at a time says a a a a a a and it gets around to the person and this was almost 100% 100% of people in the experiment would say a and it's right in front of their face H the truth is right in front of their face and they would they would go with the group because the group did it the group is telling them what to choose but it's not even slight like the difference is so glaringly obvious it's kind of amazing how did they uh pre-pick the people that were going to be the test subjects like did they have any specific things that they were looking for because I think there's a lot of people that even if you got 13 people to say a they would go what are you guys talking about it's C like was there anything about them that they picked like did were these people pre-selected for being no no no and they ran the experiment do you ever think about yourself in that room what would you do yeah and I worry what do you no I think in in reality we
everybody that's listening right now would say not me 100% of people would say I wouldn't do that well I think it kind of depends on your station in life yeah you know where you're at when I was young I might have just said a cuz everybody was saying a yeah you know cuz I didn't want to be an idiot so that's one of the things they did they they repli at the experiment on college campuses where people are highly suggestible they're young they're still trying to figure out who they are and so a lot more suggestible and this is if you think of the way that social media manipulates our brain it it falsifies tribal agreement and it makes us say a right so we're willing to ignore everything that we see because we're seeing the tribe say that something else is happening okay so it'll it override our brain and if there's one thing like if you just one thing that that matters a lot is that our brains are not capable of this Tech of overcoming this technology we don't have a firewall and technology has outpaced our brain's ability to adapt to it so I can falsify a tribe around you that says oh this is all happening right now and Dr Phil you and I both are friends with Dr Phil MH calls this the tyranny of The Fringe where this Fringe pretends to be a group of a million people when it's just a small group that gets over a lot of attention it's really inflated so it looks like it's more popular than it actually is and if your identity is already there then you that a automatically makes sense and will ignore just basic facts and it's not on about the right or the left it's both of those sides have been doing this stuff for a long time but if I can get you to think that most of your tribal members agree to X then most people like 90% of people will say Okay X is true well especially with social media right because obviously it' be about something about something that's a little bit more complex than the size of a line but you're so easily manipulated because it's not really just people that are responding it's a lot of bots yeah and you're seeing that more and more lately um I was watching this video today and somebody pointed out after the video look how many Bots have retweeted this video and was astounding so it's like oh there's a narrative that
someone's trying to push because of this selectively edited video yeah like wow well you're a dragon believer I saw that that I love that so much man that's just the view ladies they're crazy they're they're the gift that keeps giving that's that poor lady Joy Reed or not Joy Reed uh Joy Bear yeah said you believe in dragons yeah it's hilarious and the next day I think I checked your uh Twitter and it was just said Joe Rogan Dragon believe yeah I said I have to change it now it's perfect Beau for someone like me that's like that's a gift and it what you were doing is not just I mean it was funny it was really funny but it it helped to shine a light on the absurdity the absurdity that that some of these people will go to to just give people misinformation like the most obvious misinformation well not only that but it was after she was talking about the view being a great source of information because they're part of ABC News so they check things unlike me who believes in dragons so was like it was so perfect it's like [ __ ] did you even watch the video and then she said she double checked it did you double check that like oh yeah I did I've checked it that was wonderful oh made my day I was happy all day that day I was like what a great day it made my day to see your change your Twitter well it's funny when people are so their approach is so simplistic it's so obvious to anyone else that it becomes fun it become it doesn't work at all not only does it not slander you not only does it not disparage people's opinions of you it creates fun comedy yeah it creates comedy it's like it's so ridiculous but this is the problem not just with Bots and social media influence but all also with Echo Chambers right Echo chambers that people create where they get a bunch of people that only agree with them and everybody disagrees with them instead of looking at them and you see that on that show all the time instead of looking at someone else's perspective and going okay so tell me how you came to this conclusion like why do you think this yeah and like letting them fully Express instead it's like everything is interrupting everything is shouty I disagree with everything you have said in the audience
claps and and they're going to stand up for this or for that or instead of having an actual conversation about opinions and ideas and how you formulate them and how your mind works and how you think about things and why you think about things instead of that it's just ideological battles every day exactly and it's it's identity instead of ideas yes is what it is yeah it's Tribal it's super it's well it's a bunch of people that are afraid to be alone and are afraid to be on the outside side and so whatever the group agrees to they find some sort of mental gymnastics they can apply to these ideas that make them make them relevant and it will reverse rationalize a lot of those decisions yes so they're emotionally made and logically rationalized in our head but we think that it's a logical decision and it and it it's so easy to weaponize a human being from a Manchurian Candidate to just a getting someone to like something on Twitter because it makes them feel morally or intellectually Superior because they shared it it also makes them feel like they're a part of a team which people love I mean we are tribal animals we do not like to be aone outcast we like to be a part of a team which is why you see audience capture is a big thing that happens to people online they find people that agree with them and then they sort of lean into it big time yeah they lean maybe a little too hard yeah a lot of people do a lot of people they kind of lose who they are and people love to accuse everybody of that it's interesting because everyone's kind of aware of it now that it's a thing mhm which is good you know keeps people on their toes um but when bringing it back to the Cults so they would try to get you to do something and deviate from your normal patterns yeah and then are most of these most Cults are like sex Cults right like pretty much all of them right they I think they're just started by really sex obsessed dudes that like you know what I need a bunch of 20-year-olds in here there a few Cults that have been started by ladies right very few yeah yeah a few and then there was that wild wild country one os's one where the lady ran it and he was kind of like sort of just this very odd Ecentric Guru and she was an assassin I didn't know this oh you didn't watch that
Netflix documentary no oh it's fantastic it's so good cuz like all cult documentaries it starts out like oh these people have it nailed it starts out so good they're they're cooking together and laughing and dancing and doing yoga and having a good old time en chanting and it seems like they're having a wonderful time but eventually they take over this town in was it uh Oregon is it Oregon right I think so I think so um somewhere in the Pacific Northwest I believe it was Oregon so they take over a town and they actually bus in homeless people so that they can pump up their numbers and uh vote to take over the town yeah essentially what some people were accusing the Biden administration of doing with uh leaving the borders open for illegals and then allowing them to vote same sort of deal so they they took over this town and they poisoned a bunch of people it's like really crazy it's crazy documentary and then eventually it falls apart isn't that most Cults like that like you look at it at from the outside you're like wow they're barefoot walking on grass they're eating natural stuff organic stuff having such a good time they sing together they're having this good time and then then they take you into the room yeah and they say you know what Joe you've reached the level uh aliens live in your butthole we got to get them out yeah something like something crazy it's a lot of them are sex Cults if they're not sex Cults they're like money Cults or power Cults or you know or ideological Cults which I think progressivism is I think it's an ideological cult and I think that um people uh they enjoy being around people that are very confident that they're correct yeah when someone like if most of us like don't what is life all about so many questions and if you come across someone who has all the answers and they're so confident about it it's very attractive yeah this episode is brought to you by the farmer's dog we all want to do the best for our dogs but there's a lot of mixed messaging out there especially around dog food take kibble for example you don't have to do a lot of digging to learn that kibble is actually ultr processed they put the words like premium on their bag next to pictures of real ingredients but food doesn't end up as burnt down pellets
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talk to you for five minutes and you're like yeah yeah I'll join your Cults and we'll worship aliens and stuff together it's it's a long process we're like the deviation escalation continues to increase over time and it's the exact same way if you're if you're programming some Manchurian Candidate or if you're a hypnotist and you're seeing a client you want to get them to deviate from their normal behaviors right to fix fix their behavior right so it's not all bad so we can use those same a lot of those same techniques to help somebody instead of hurt them that's what I started discovering over the years and I've studied like how to access every loophole in the human brain and the fastest way to do that is through novelty and Authority number one and there is nothing faster in the human brain that where that'll give you that kind of access novelty and Authority like give me some examples of that so let's say uh you and I are living 10,000 years ago 15,000 years ago the average tribe of people was like 150 120 and let's say your job and my job was to go and collect fish in a bag and fish and then kind of bring it back to the tribe at the end of the day and every day we went to the same spot it's a great spot we walk by this bush this big ass Bush and one day we're going back and talking about the fish we got and you hear a stick snap behind that bush that we haven't heard before so it's a it's an unexpected deviation from your mental script of what's going to happen does this make sense so so we're walking by the bush the stick snaps now what's generated in that moment is a tremendous amount of focus like there could be a threat it could be a rabbit that we can eat right so a threat or a value is what our how our brain responds to something new and something unexpected is it a threat is it valuable socially or otherwise valuable so the stick breaks we're not thinking about our kids we're not thinking about how many fish are in the bag we're only thinking about this novel new thing that interrupted my brain's script of what I thought was going to happen Okay you with me so far yeah so in our life when we see something that's unexpected something that we I guess we we're not expecting so we're driving a car blue lights in your
rear mirror is tremendous amount of novelty threat value right so our brain says this is how I my shoes this is how I go to work this is how I run the cash register at Starbucks whatever it is we develop these apps in our head and when something interrupts one of those programs our brain automatically says this is different this is not expected I need all of my focus down on this one thing okay and that's how novelty starts to trigger our brain it makes sense so far yes and Authority is the second piece so what would be an example that someone would use as like novelty to get like novelty Authority if you want to get someone to follow you like what would be novelty that you would apply give me any any scenario and I'll I'll tell you okay you're trying to get someone to join a call yeah so the novelty right away is I'm going to approach you and say something or ask you a question that you've never been asked before and that there's no possible way that your brain could have gotten ready for that scenario and it could be something ridiculously stupid it' be like hey did you see these guys fighting outside like here last week or you're walking up and you say hey I'm going to ask you three questions but you only have 12 seconds to answer no one's ever said something like that okay so you're just getting them out of their comfort zone you're getting them in like whoa what's going on yeah we're breaking a pattern okay so we're we're we're all running on patterns all the time the moment a pattern is broken we have tremendous Focus so focus is the first step to hacking the mamalian brain Authority is next and Authority is like if you look at the mgrm experiment have you heard of this oh my God have you are you have you gone deep on it not really I mean but explain it to people so they know you're talking about Jamie can we bring up a picture of the Box the shocking box from this experiment is just essentially they told people that they had to keep shocking people even if and then they did it to the point where they thought the other person on the other side was actually dead and they kept shocking yeah and what year was this uh 62 1962 at Yale University um this is a variation of the experiment but just go to the one the third
one right there so that's uh Stanley mgrm standing over that machine right there so you'll notice on the bottom right it says danger severe shock right there yeah so you're essentially told you going to the guy's on the other side of a drywall wall he's in another room but you can hear him yelling every time you shock and every time you're asking him these questions and he gets the answer wrong he's like a he's acting like a dumbass he's obviously in on the experiment right but these people think they're shocking this guy and in real life man I had that in airplane mode so in in real life this guy is just he's running a script he's a a participant in the experiment he's in on it but as the person's getting shocked you hear him scream you hear him say I want to get out of here I don't want to do this anymore I have a heart condition he's banging around and then at at around 300 volts and it goes up to 450 on this machine 300 volts no more sound he stops answering questions and these people are sitting there at the machine kind of turning around this guy in the lab coat that's running them running this experience and the guy in the lab coach saying well it's important that you continue the experiment requires that you continue and they keep going they keep delivering electric shocks to this guy that was screaming before and is now silent he's not even answering these questions on the test anymore did everybody do it so before the experiment started these bunch of psychologists got together and they said like all right who's going to go all the way through who's going to do everything and they thought 0.4% something like that it would have to be a psychopath it would have to be somebody that was malicious or wanted to hurt people and after the experiment was conducted 67% of people went all the way and this is so what we're really dealing with here is not an experiment it's a person being talked into murder in less than an hour a regular normal human being talked into murder 67% of them 6 7% and 250 volts is enough to kill you would you agree if you have the right amps I I don't know but I I believe you yeah 100% went to 250 jeez 100% so yeah so that could kill you 100% at least attempted murder yeah and I train
sales teams all the time they're like oh we have you know it's hard to sell this product or this thing and uh I'm like I showed them this thing and like where's the sales script these guys use at University there wasn't a script it's not like oh let me get the perfect words on the phone for this telemarketing company right there's no script there's no hypnosis there's no like NLP stuff going on where I have to say these little magic words and I kind of view that aspect of persuasion like the guys that are obsessed with sales scripts it's like Harry Potter like there's no magic words that are going to make someone take action we take action based on the Mamon brain and what was present there at Yale University if you're the volunteer there you respond to an ad in the paper you've never responded to before novelty at a university you've never been to and a building you've never been in with two people you've never met in a room you've never been in sitting in front of a machine that's absolutely foreign to you it's alien every single step of the way was novelty and then the guy in the lab coat they made him like I think he was 6' s and he's running the experiment and we have this stuff called White Coat Syndrome where we respond to doctor s mhm and there's even uh research where people were given diagnoses and that they for things they didn't have and they developed the symptoms because a doctor has told them this and that's how powerful novelty plus Authority is is you there people talked into murder in under an hour and there's no magic recipe to do it it's Authority and Novelty and Authority has five components if you want to just go into them so that's confidence obviously somebody's got to be really confident to be an authority figure and this is just a conviction in my belief and a and a generalized belief in my head that everything's going to be fine everything's going to be okay discipline is number two and discipline I don't say discipline is part of authority because like if everybody like when you were younger you ever like go to a party and like put a really nice suit on and all that stuff and like you're you got a 7ot pile of laundry back at home like [ __ ] all over your bathroom counter like you were not put together I I was there
but like there's a part of our brain that reminds us that we don't have everything together so when we go out we're not other people aren't saying oh this guy is not disciplined no one's saying that but they are getting a gut feeling that something's off because there's something disharmonic there's something in congruent about our Behavior because we know there's a part of our brain says you know I'm faking this right now I'm not this put together so having discipline off camera when nobody's looking makes gut feelings in people is was one of those things where're we have this ancient brain that's judging whether or not everything's congruent so confidence discipline leadership and Leadership just means if I brought you back a thousand years could you still would people still follow you like your behavior is confident and certain enough and all of that that people would follow you not language and all that do you say the right things and do you give people compliments that's not what I mean is tribal leadership from the mamalian perspective not human so confidence discipline leadership gratitude and enjoyment are the final two gratitude just not saying like I'm I'm keeping this gratitude journal every day or anything like that but just I'm a grateful person and I have perspective in gratitude so I'm I'm able to zoom out and think of like the larger picture when I'm thinking of gratitude not just like oh thanks I'm thankful for my health today but I'm thankful like we didn't have a nuclear war yesterday we didn't have all this stuff happen and what the reason these things are effective is because they produce having them when nobody's looking produces the precise gut feelings in another person that make them say that's an authority figure so when you have authority you can get away with anything you want and I go to these companies I train companies and people all over and how to increase sales and all that and they're all like well we have a good script we've got this piece of paper right here that's that's really great we spent $10 million developing the sales script I'm like give the script script to somebody out here with social anxiety and have
them get on the phone they're going to they're going to bomb it' be the worst freaking salesman out there because they they the script is meaningless but everybody puts so much value in these words it's who you are first then what you say and and people just ignore the first part I mean if you think of if I go off on a small rant here I could I could tell something a question bubbling up in your head no goe uh there's too many times people obsess over symptoms instead of causes so you go on LinkedIn or whatever it says how to be confident here are the 15 ways to be confident here's the 12 things that confident people do they have great posture they make good eye contact there a firm handshake they use your name they pat you on the shoulder all this kind of [ __ ] those are symptoms of being confident it's not confidence so our culture today is obsessed with symptoms of things let me get symptoms of wealth I'm going to get this Porsche I'm going to get this yacht I'm going to get this plane post it all over Instagram and show people that I have these symptoms so what we're really looking at is like when I'm trying to somebody's trying to learn sales let me teach you the symptoms of what a good salesperson has instead of the cause of what makes them a good salesperson that makes sense so in order for someone to truly be confident they have to take all those steps to make do you want some coffee no actually yeah okay okay you want it in the crazy cup or a regular one crazy cup a little hard to drink out of is it yeah I'll switch I don't want to dirty that one up no don't worry about it um so they they they have to have all those ducks in a row if they don't people are going to sense it they're going to know even if they exhibit all the behavior characteristics of someone who's confident is going to be something off cuz we have some way some ancient way of un of detecting [ __ ] in ourselves yeah we get those gut feelings yeah we know when something's off someone's a little full of it someone's faking it yeah and I mean we've all had that experience like everything looked right on the surface anybody who's watching it from a distance like wow that guy's really confident but in your gut you're
like something's off well particularly if you have all those bases covered if you have all those bases covered I think it makes it far easier to see in other people when they don't yeah because I mean if you have confidence that means I'm living in front of my eyes right I'm not just stuck back here the whole time so if you're going to teach people how to be confident essentially you have to teach them how to get their [ __ ] together yeah unequivocably like undoubtedly you know undebatably like you have to you have to have your [ __ ] together clearly absolutely otherwise you're not going to really be confident you're always it's always the back of your head it's always going to be [ __ ] with you yeah and there's five areas of your life that I've identify these are not this is not some self-help program or anything but there's five areas of your life that create gut feelings in other people and that's your environment how you handle all these things your environment your time your appearance your social skills and your financial life it's like if I've got unpaid bills I've got creditors knocking on my door all the time and then I go out and try to look like I've got my [ __ ] together I'm going to send those signals that something's not right to people that are aware not to people that are willing to join Cults right correct that's the problem is that there's not really an operating manual for life or for the human mind and we're dealing with these very complicated systems complicated systems of work and social life and and hobbies and all the different things that people do it's very very complicated and a lot of people are just kind of like stumbling through it learning along the way hopefully every time they [ __ ] up yeah yeah so and a lot of that is the even with these cult recruiters these people have an unconscious knack to spot suggestible people so your level of suggestibility is how much will you think a person's an authority figure even if they're faking confidence that's basically what that is will you accept a suggestion and act on it and we've got guys like seiran seiran uh who killed RFK uh in San Francisco this 60s I think it's Los Angeles I think it was San Francisco I think it's Los Angeles because I was at the actual
uh hotel where they did it actually filmed Fear Factory there okay see if that's true I don't doubt you at all I'm pretty sure pretty sure it was Los Angeles and there's also some debate as to whether or not he did it oh I did a whole video on this on my channel yeah what did it I don't know enough about it but I know that there's some people that you know obviously there's some people that think that like JFK's driver shot him there's some like C cooky conspiracies yeah and Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles shortly after K had finished yeah um that hotel we filmed Fear Factor there once that's the only reason why I know and we were in the kitchen where like sir it happened in the kitchen yeah we were in the spot like this is crazy that we could film this stupid [ __ ] show in a place where presidential candidate got murdered yeah was was that the reason they filmed there um I think a lot of stuff filmed in that hotel I think the hotel had been defunct and a lot of um the there's like abandoned buildings and things in Los Angeles that they use for filming stuff okay because there's a big filming industry like they film films and TV shows and stuff there if they it's like a cool environment and it was like spooky rundown old hotel I don't even remember the show the episode but I just remember us being in that that room going a weird feeling yeah so the Siran San thing is like that people believe that's part of MK Ultra that he was some sort of Mind controlled person I do yeah and I I mean I may be the number one guy in the country on the mind control stuff I think I probably am and I definitely believe that was influenced by a guy named Dr joyn West Jolly West yeah yeah yeah um so and it's not about skill at at something like if you're doing something like this it's not much about skill level it's can you find a good Target that's highly suggestable and almost you have some basic skills in this I give you like three or four days worth of training in how to do covert hypnosis and all of this other stuff and how to create Amnesia in a person so where you can just uh tell them to forget something and they'll and they'll willingly forget it it's I could train you in three days how to do something like that it's terrifying how our brains do not have a
firewall and the moment that our conscious filter that filters like is this information good for me should I accept this information if if I can bypass that filter which is very easy to do you can kind of just Jam in whatever you want into somebody's head and so what evidence do we have that Sirhan Sirhan was working with jolly West there's not a lot it's a lot of anecdotal stuff but he met with this guy regularly and I'm not an expert on the case I wouldn't I wouldn't consider myself an expert but he met with this guy at the shooting range on a regular basis and this guy would talk to him privately whisper in his ear in the shooting range we all know this is this is from testimony and later when he was arrested after the shooting happened he said I thought I was at the shooting range I thought I was shooting at a Target at a paper Target and he on record saying this and he has no memory of that actual event happening to this day he went up for parole I think a year or two ago and man all they did was ask him to kind of admit what you did and just say what you did and he said I still have no memory of this event he had to stay in prison and RFK believes it too wow and you've had RFK on uhhuh um so sir han sirh han is meeting with this guy who is this guy nobody really knows nobody fully knows but the guy was involved and connected to joyon and they called him radio man that's the only name that that people have used to identify this guy he met siron out of range and expressed like we're both interested in shortwave radio stuff and all that kind of ham radio and they connected over that initially and then this guy somehow looped him into the situation he was in so the MK Ultra stuff um a lot of it was experimental right they didn't necessarily have proof that a lot of what they were trying to do was effective they knew that they could experiment with LSD on people that was Operation midnight climax where they took over the brothel which is so wild for people that don't know what this is they took over brothel and they essentially had the prostitutes serve these John's LSD without their knowledge and then they observed them through two-way mirrors unb and filmed them yeah
it filmed how they would act yeah so the CIA was running hor houses I don't even know if they they had sex cuz they probably dose these guys up with so much acid they probably didn't want to but they observed them and they did it for years they also ran the um ha Ashbury free clinic which is wild and um until like I think fairly recently and there was a lot of hubub about it after Tom O'Neal's book chaos came out and I think it's right after that they closed the hate ashbry free clinic yeah but the CIA was essentially a part of the hate ashberry free clinic in the 1960s and that's where the Manson family came out of yeah and I there's a lot of people I don't I'm not a researcher on this topic I'm a researcher on the techniques yeah um but there's guys like uh Sydney gotle was crazy he was in he was running the CIA it was called OSS back then office of special services and it was crazy they called him a cowboy but they brought in all this LSD there was a uh in Canada uh they were running I think this was man I think it was in Montreal I'm not no it was in Toronto um mon talk Institute is that right uh where they they were doing things called psychic driving they would keep people awake and and it was like Clockwork Orange and they they would hold their eyes open and just play these videos to kind of like entrain them and and really just drive their brains and these were people that checked into the hospital with like postpartum depression and they started doing this [ __ ] on them they just started experimenting on them yeah and it I mean the Canadian government admitted it so much that they paid these people for damages so uh just one woman's case that I can remember I don't remember her name but she went in for postpartum I think and she she did the psychic driving when she came out she had no real memories anymore she wet herself she had to relearn how to walk and communicate socially uh she had to relearn how to hold her pee in how long was she there for I think it was like a month and a half unbelievable but I think back then they were trying to find a bunch of different methods of Mind Control right like there's a very famous video from the 1950s of uh soldiers in the UK where they dose them up with acid and you see
them wandering around the woods laughing and giggling falling down and we had just got those the videos from the the Korean War where the the Korean prisoners were making these videos like I realize now that America is a horrible country I I renounce everything I hate America this these are all the bad things they've done and the the guys in the United States are watching this [ __ ] going holy [ __ ] they've got some secret technology and we're behind so it was like a psychological arms race they just went berserk on this stuff so they they figured out or they figured that there's some kind of secret chemical or secret technique or recipe that these people are using that we haven't figured out yet and it was it was a mad house rap to figure out what was going on with these prisoners in North Korea what was going on what were they doing to the prisoners depriving them of sleep it was super basic stuff they were depriving him of sleep treating them really well this this they're using these interrogation techniques that were developed by this German guy named Hans sharf and every interrogation system nowadays that's taught is a is a derivative of Hans scharf's work and funny enough he's the most famous interrogator in history and he was like the first guy that said Hey what if we're not [ __ ] what if we're not just total [ __ ] of these people and take them out on walks maybe give them a sandwich every once in a while and the whole time pretend like we every piece of intelligence they give us we pretend like we already knew it and that was kind of his his premise like let's not be a dick and he he got famous for that so everything is based on his work now and funny enough you ever been to Disneyland sure you you know the huge Mosaic that you walk through it's a huge like tile mosaic thing at the very entrance of of Disney Lane I don't recall it probably wasn't paying attention Han sharf made that oh really by hand yeah whoa weird how much time did that take I don't know how big is this thing it's huge see if you can find it Jamie how big is it he made it by hand on acid had to be that thing wow left a permanent mark on Disney a former Nazi interrogator [ __ ] like as if Disney doesn't have enough problems with with
uh Walt Disney being linked to anti-Semitism the fact that they actually have a Nazi artist if there was a competition where I said Joe I'll give me a million dollars if you can figure out what this Nazi interrogator did on the side not come up with that that's crazy and it's almost bizarre B yeah it's like a DMT kind of visual going on well that's just weird in and of itself that he was working with these people like how was Walt Disney connected to that guy no idea um no clue that's not good that doesn't do a lot to quell the rumors you know yeah so I think it was paperclip so these so oh operation paper CLI so these people that are attemp is it is there documentation that shows the effectiveness of certain techniques like do we have any of their work like the Jolly West does did he publish anything or did he make re like leave behind documents explaining what worked and what didn't work yeah some uh but you know this guy named uh I don't remember his first name Church got really pissed off about all the CIA stuff and the church Comm Church committee he said we're going to get it all and then the CIA launched a destruction order and said we need to destroy it was like Enron at the CIA then papers getting shredded and all this stuff everywhere and some of the documents survived the destruction because they were in a dude's attic yeah this guy's name he was a professor in New York at Colgate University and his name was Dr George EST Brooks and not many people talk about him uh but he was big into it him and Edgar Hoover had a plan to hypnotize a German submarine Captain split his personality which is not hard to do um and send him back home and have him torpedo his entire fleet inside of his own Harbor um and I have all of those documents so these professors and these scientists were working with the CIA while they were developing MK Ultra so they probably thought they were doing it for national security purposes yeah and so they were probably saying look North Korea is doing this Germany's doing all these countries are doing this we need to do this as well yeah I mean they were at the at the bottom of maso's pyramid
you'll do anything like our country is going to go down did you read chaos the Tom O'Neal book no it's about the Manson family how they did it with the Manson family it's essentially I mean he he lays out a very compelling uh case for the CIA not only training Manson but supplying him with LSD and then getting him out of jail every time he got caught and that it was done to change the perception of the anti-war movement like the hippies were Peace Love and psychedelic music and you know people were dropping out of society and instead The Narrative now became no they're murderers and Psychopaths and they're going to kill beautiful actresses and people in Hollywood so they thought he would be like the vaccine for Timothy lry and and all the people yes yeah yeah it's a good way to put it yeah that um they took this guy who was a con man and had sort of a a proclivity towards you know influencing people and being charismatic and you ever heard his music no I didn't know he did music yeah he made he he actually recorded with uh Brian Wilson of The Beach Boys and um I think Brian Wilson and him there was like a real problem because his career didn't take off and like he threatened him it became very like very problematic his relationship with Brian Wilson but you could there's a so you can find the song you listen to it a little bit the man can we play this does someone own this how's work that was something I've hadn't we hadn't talked guns and roses covered one of his songs did you know that oh yeah yeah we talked about that I think we did yeah yeah um but he recorded some songs and you know they're not that bad is that him singing think you're loving baby and all you're doing is crying that's not bad it's not bad yeah it's decent it's not bad it's like it's an okay shitty song from the 60s yeah you know it's not something you want to put on your Spotify playlist but it's it's not bad it's better than a third of guys that play at the bar or something yeah yeah it's better than a third of the guys on Sixth Street in Austin Texas it's not bad I mean he was a charismatic person right and that's what you need to run a cult and that's what you need to be a good rock star and a lot of
yeah and he apparently wouldn't take them he would give them to people and pretend to take them and then he would use these methods to manipulate them while they're under so like he's sober and he's going through this CIA textbook of how to manipulate and control these people then he gets these people like Tex Watson and you know Squeaky from and all these [ __ ] Psychopaths and he through this sort of indoctrination and bringing them into the family and you know they're staying with him for and then he's committing murders and crimes and and he keeps getting out he gets arrested and they let him out and the sheriffs that let him out they all have the same explanation I was told it's above my pay grade and they just let him out so the guy's violating parole and he's getting out like multiple times my God it's very comp yeah and there's a real compelling case for Jolly West first of all there's anecdotal of it J Jolly West visited him in jail um and they think that that's when it all started wow yeah I doubt make sense because like that's a really successful cult like as far as like uh the historical footprint you know like everybody knows about the Manson family I mean like that worked that scared the [ __ ] out of everybody it was weird like oh my God what if your children joined the Manson family oh my God my kids are vulnerable what if they want to be peace love and flower children they get wrapped up in the family and that's it just sort of Chang the tone in society um with people and it was also at the same time when they passed that sweeping schedule one psychedelics act where they made everything illegal it's all around the same time and art goes to zero yeah art goes all art into the toilet starts disappearing architecture a lot of things went South yeah car design but the um the fact that there's real compelling evidence that this was the government and that this is the government's response to this immense cultural change that took place between 1950 and 1960 and it's not like just guessing it's like there's real programs that they were involved in that were absolutely doing that kind of work 100% yeah and that's really crazy to think of and I and it's it gets deeper like there there are step-by-step programs they
have for creating a meruan candidate okay like what's step one how do you know when you can get a guy to be a manaryan candate can you do anybody or do you have to get a vulnerable guy do you get family I think some of this could be misused but let me well I don't know if you know about grock but grock's out there misusing information so all right yeah I'll just put it out there you can get anything from that so like you're a very social guy okay and you've got lines in your forehead here from raising your eyebrows a lot there's people that are your age that are not very socially connected to people that have smooth foreheads oh interesting so if you're smiling a lot your whole life you're going to develop these little crows feet and you'll do it by the age of 19 if you're a social happy person you'll see the crows feet you're angry all the time you're going to see this little muscle right here the globella I got start to yeah but your yeah yours is not that pronounced but whatever emotion we experience on a very very regular basis etes itself onto the face as a rule of thumb saying that this is science is it's not this is my observation there's no study that I can send you but we can see that I mean you can see somebody who's lived a super happy life you they have these little smile lines around their eyes somebody who's raising their eyebrows a lot this is our social our forehead is a social billboard right so you're going to see those lines start coming on the face but what if I told you to make a skeptical facial expression what would you do if you ask me to be skeptical yeah this is my skeptical pH okay so like somebody's trying to feed you something most people will kind of these lower eyelids are going to tighten up it was the first I might do that too I might do that so you're like uh most of the time though I'm like what yeah it's my what [ __ ] face what [ __ ] yeah what if I have somebody who's been who is not skeptical ever in their life they have the smoothest lower eyelids in the world huh so to test this out and this is not this is anecdotal okay but I gave it to Five Guys who are stage hypnotists they're out of these comedy clubs every night knocking people out and all that
stuff and I told them test this Theory over the course of 5 years they all said it's 100% accurate cuz you know like bring they bring people up and some guy doesn't go all the way in his hands are stuck together he's like all right sir thanks thanks for coming go back to your seat we should explain what we're talking about there's um comedy hypnotists and um if you don't know and if you haven't seen it you would think it's [ __ ] but uh I was very fortunate when I was 21 when I worked in Boston there was a guy who's really good at it he was an actual hypnotist name was Frank Santos and he did this show this comedy hypnotism show I think it was every month Monday night at uh Stitch's comedy club and it was insane he would have people go on stage they thought they were having sex with Madonna they thought they were in a robo like and the robo was going to tip over it was then they had a dance you know they that a dance and if they they danced the best they they thought they were going to win a million dollar and it was weird it was weird to watch because and he could tell when someone was under and someone wasn't under and it was weird it was weird to watch because he it was I never believed in that I was like well I guess you have to be a dope like maybe you just have to be a dope and that's the kind of people that he picks he just finds the dumb people but a lot of the people I talk to afterwards I was like what happened and they're like I don't know it's just like he's snapping his fingers and next thing you know I'm [ __ ] dancing the weird thing yeah weirdest thing I've ever experienced in my life so I'm a hypnotist uh certified hypnotist and uh I've learned it just because of my brain Obsession and I didn't believe in it either I had I had zero belief that it was real and I went to my first comedy hypnosis a show like 5 years ago this guy's name is Rich guzzy and it's a it's real like I saw this I'm like oh my God these people aren't just like per definitely real and so if um damn what were we talking about um hypnosis yeah um we were talking about so the suggestible yeah suggestible people like how do you pick someone to be a Manan candidate can you pick anybody or does it have to be a person that has like something off about them they would I
don't think they have to have something that's off you can pick a totally healthy person that's very highly suggestible so I have a a TV show coming out that's fiction fiction and the bad guy in the book gets access to some of these techniques and he doesn't know how to they're not working so he goes to these comedy hypnosis shows and he just picks people that were called up on stage cuz he and he wrecks their lives pre- select wrecks yeah so someone else to figure out so and those people are highly suggest and they're always more open to fun they're always better you know they live in front of their eyes a lot more and so suggestibility doesn't mean stupid it means that you're just more open to the things that are around you and they're typically happier people more suggestible people are typically happier people that's interesting because they're just blissfully unaware yeah I mean it depends on if they're suggestible and addicted to like Instagram horrifying stuff on Instagram and they're watching that all the time oh so they can get programmed easily for all these things so this guy George eser Brooks makes this formula to split the personality of an army officer and they called him uh Smith and they're going to split this guy give his alter ego a bunch of secrets to take across Enemy Lines and then deliver these secrets that that are in his head to this person that's on the other side of this thing and in this paper it's a hypothetical it's written as a hypothetical so they they're going to split this guy with the goal being he gets captured somebody tortures him and put a drill on his knee or something this other personality won't come out because there's a there's a secret word and an anchor like they'll squeeze his arm and say Moonlight or something like that and it'll turn this other guy on is that really possible to have like a partition in your brain where you keep other memories absolutely really yeah it's not a partition I mean there's no physical modification of course is happening but I mean like a partition like there's something there's another you in there yeah and I I'll tell you something scary when it comes to multiple personality stuff if uh a
suggest a slightly suggestible not even high slightly suggestible person goes to a psychiatrist and let's say I wanted to split somebody I could make up a piece of paper that's got 10 questions on it it's like do you ever feel like you're at at war with yourself like one person wants to eat cake and the other one wants to eat broccoli that's 100 that's everybody right and then the next one is do you ever feel like you're arguing with yourself about whether or not you should relax or worry about something that's everybody but it has a lot of these questions that talked about you having different parts and then the psychiatrist takes this exam and he says you know what I'm looking looking at all these numbers and you scored in the 99th percentile from multiple personality disorder have you ever felt like you're at war with a part of yourself that's everybody but now he says like well what what does that part want if I could just talk to that part directly so now he starts having a conversation with this part and now then he says well it's not really nice for us to do that why don't we make a name for this part they're almost done that's almost the full creation so that's called they've researched this in the' 70s called iatrogenic creation of dissociative identities so if they wanted to do this and create a Manchurian Candidate there there has to be like some proof that this is effective right so how would they how would they before they send someone out to do some assassination or something how would they know that they got this guy on the program well they tested with hundreds of people first and they they would all use colors so like Mrs White was a subject or Mrs red whatever and they would hypnotize a woman while while she's and then you know split all this personality stuff and develop that partition and then with her eyes open in one personality she Witnesses a what she thinks is a real bomb getting put into a briefcase with a little timer thing on it like an old movie Dynamite thing you'd see in a cartoon or something like put into a briefcase zip that thing up and she's holding it and they're telling her it's going to explode and then they change her personality to the other one and she's on heart rate monitors and all this other stuff and they they and this
this is a CIA document they released and she's called Mrs White in in this document there's many many more but the other personality's job is to not look in the briefcase CU that personality doesn't know what's in it and sit in this waiting room with this briefcase beside you heart rate doesn't go up and then another time they give somebody what they watch a gun being loaded they split the personality and like do some kind of slide of hand to unload the firearm and then they're told to like pull this firearm out and go shoot this person in the face and when the trigger is given to you like a guy tapping his pencil or something and they do it and this is just hypnosis that caused them they're not using any psychedelic drugs or psychotropic medicine or you don't need it nothing yeah wow it's so it's it's easier than you think for some people right High Authority on one end from of the person doing the program and high suggestibility on the other then your skill don't need to be that good you don't need to manufacture suggestibility if you if they say here's this guy I need to split this guy and he's not very suggestible then your skills have to be high but if I have high suggestibility in the Target high Authority in the person doing the programming I have ultimate results and it's not just this if I'm if I'm a psychiatrist and I have high Authority and I have a highly suggestible client I can I can change their life for the better with the exact same things so it's not just manuri and stuff it's it's anybody trying to change another person needs that level of authority and I need to my goal as a doctor psychiatrist coach whatever is to raise that person's suggestibility so that my suggestions can change their life will you then let them be aware of what you did and how you did it and what the pathway is uh if it's if I'm helping someone yeah absolutely yeah that's got to be a mind [ __ ] for them you know Roy Jones Junior the boxer of course yeah he's a friend of mine oh I love that dude yeah me too um and man he's been through a rough year I don't know if you've heard or anything he's been through a lot this year what what happened he lost his son oh I didn't know that at all I think he I think he was 21 um oh that's terrible
but Roy called me one day I went down there to train Roy at Roy's house and he calls me one day and he's like hey man can you do this split personality thing on a fighter and I like oh yeah and as I'm telling him yeah I was like I've never done this I didn't know if I could but I was like yeah I I'll get it done he's like I've got this guy going into a fight uh in two days it's in Vegas can you fly out and and do do your work on this guy so I essentially give him an alter ego but it's not like created through massive trauma or anything like that it's kind of a fabricated we use a little bit of like u a little bit of simulated trauma to make this thing happen the dissociation part to where it kind of separate from myself and this guy had like the best fight of his life and this alter Alter Ego you can ask Roy I told him not to get gassed out to where you're not going to get gassed out or run out of air it's like you're going to always feel like you're satiated even if you're not you're going to stay up and keep going and the second is you're not going to feel any pain and you're going to be pure aggression and strategy and all this Roy gave me this list of stuff so this guy this a young fighter he's like 28 I programmed him it took me four 48 hours total um not with him but like two days over the course of two days I programmed him and then he goes up what's the thing where that they take a picture looking at each other whatever that's called yeah so they go they go to do that and his wife is off camera and somehow this being near the opponent turned on this thing and he just looks over at his wife like just a like a a glance at his wife and she picked their kid up like there was a a murderer in their house and they moved to another hotel temporarily she's like that's not my husband but we we fix it to where we can turn it on and off anytime but it scared her because it's like that little alter part of that guy came on and looked at his wife and she did not recognize you know Roy Jones Jr had an alter ego really yeah he didn't tell me about that call himself RJ he had Roy Jones oh yeah and then RJ RJ is when there's real problems when when when RJ out you got real problems yeah and when he fought Montel Griffin you know he had his first fight with
Montel Griffin and Montel won by disqualification do you know that fight no uh so um I'm something happened I think it was a late Punch or something happened he might have uh been swinging when he went down and he hit him while he was going down or while he was down already I don't remember exactly what happened but I remember it was a disqualification and then Roy Jones like RJ's coming out wow and then in the second fight it was just an obliteration he just destroyed them quickly yeah and when you would see Roy Jones you know like in his very best he was like first of all he's probably the fastest super middleweight in the history of sport and even light heavyweight he was so fast it didn't even make sense he there's some onews that he threw that you watch to this day and you swear they're sped up yeah he like no one moves that fast he didn't even have a jab he would throw a left hook off the lead hand he did everything different he [ __ ] everybody up because you didn't know what to do with it yeah everything was off it was just different and he can move faster than everybody yeah but I remember him showing me because I'm ignorant about the the fighting world and all that but he showed me how those punches look from a receiving end those like that one two and then a couple more after that it was terrifying oh yeah they're horrifying you can't move quick enough you know like you're it's done especially if you don't know what's happening like if your your mind has to your body has to be conditioned to movements like you see a movement you react you know like if he's doing this a punch is coming that way I'm turning this way I'm turning that way if something's coming that way if he throws the left the right is coming behind it I'm ducking under if you don't know what those patterns are and and then even if you do Roy move so fast it would [ __ ] up your whole understanding of distance and timing everything would be off he is yeah he was special sense so much sense I I say in his prime he was like Unstoppable he was it was like every fight was an execution he played a [ __ ] full basketball game one day and then defended his title played a basketball game and then after the basketball game running around on the court played played well and then
defended his title just because it was like he was having fun he was playing with his food yeah he's a machine he truly a so good and one of the one of the nicest people uh I've ever met great guy such a good guy great guy great guy great commentator as well he very good at boxing commentary but um yeah he had a split personality do you know the Mike Tyson story no so Mike Tyson when he was 13 so Mike Tyson had a terrible childhood you know bed for stent in Brooklyn it was just like horrible neighborhood crime and you know in and out of detention centers he gets adopted when he's 13 by this guy custado who's one of the greatest trainers of all time but also a hypnotist so custom model starts hypnotizing Mike Tyson when he's 13 years old oh my gosh and when he tell talks him about fighting he's like you don't exist only the task so all of the things like what maybe I'm not good enough maybe I'm not maybe I'm this maybe I'm that maybe I'm a fraud maybe you don't exist it's only only the task and you are going to be the greatest heavyweight champion of all time that such a great and if cus didn't die he Pro I mean he had an unbelievable spectacular career but you can tell the difference when cus is gone he doesn't have that Mentor anymore he doesn't have that leadership and eventually it kind of falls apart for him you know he wins the title when C had already been dead but then defends the title just he was just Unstoppable he was so much better than everybody else but slowly but surely up until the Buster Douglas fight you see like this deterioration of his discipline and he's sort of just resting on his Laurels and fear everyone was so terrified of him by the time they got into the ring they were already beaten yeah you'd see the look in their eye when he was staring at you they would be like a [ __ ] and so if cus was still alive like who knows what he would have accomplished who knows he probably would have never lost if cus stayed alive if cus was like slightly younger and was able to make it with him deep into his career who knows yeah but hypnotized him when he was 13 and that's early I mean you're still getting your for your formative identity and beliefs about the world also you all of a sudden have love in your life all
of a sudden you have respect all of a sudden you have people who appreciate you for what you do and so you really like dig into this thing so Jim Jacobs was his manager and Jim Jacobs is also an archist archist he he has the greatest Archive of boxing films in the world Es at the time so he's got all the old Fighters Stanley ketchel and Jack Johnson and Jack Dempsey and so Mike Tyson when he's not training is watching the greatest boxers of all time on film which nobody has access to most boxers you are as good as the gym you train in you know if you're training in a gym with Tommy Hearns like damn he is so good and you learn by being around him and you see what he does it's top down always [ __ ] assassins at the very top world champions top of the food chain guys and everybody else sort of like follows their beat and you absorb well Mike Dyson was absorbing from everybody he was absorbing from Joe Lewis and sugaray Robinson he was watching Everybody Archie Moore he was watching all the greats just hours and hours and hours and hours of studying film and so it was proximity so it was everything he got proximity and like exposure to all that and nobody else and genetics he was when he was 13 years old he was 190 pounds I had no idea yeah yeah Teddy Atlas used to take him to what they call smokers smokers are like these amateur sort of unregulated fights and uh they would say how old is he and you'd say 13 like [ __ ] and he he like how old do you think he is he's like 16 so they put him in with 16year olds and he knocked them out oh my God he was knocking everybody out he was just a genetic freak on top of being very intelligent but never really applied to anything other than boxing fully absorbed with boxing has a trainer who's one of the greatest trainers of all time trained Floyd Patterson Jose Torres I mean custot was a legendary world champion trainer and then on top of that he's a hypnotist so he's like deeply involved in the psyche of his Fighters and he's a mentor figure to this kid and so you have that combination of things and you have that guy the greatest Mike Tyson at 79 at the age of 13 that's him at 13 oh my gosh [ __ ] look at the size of his biceps bro
look at his biceps look at his [ __ ] right bicep at 13 that is that differ insane I know Muhammad Ali above that is 12 years old and Tyson's 13 and built like a tank that is so crazy a monster oh he was everything was perfect it was The Perfect Storm intelligence genetics training proximity and you know he was around great Fighters as well you know he was he was in gyms in the cat skills with some of the best fighters of his era does he credit like psychedelics for his like this transformation that he's made he does talk about it yeah he does talk about it I'm sure it had an impact on him that marijuana both those things had an impact on him I mean he's got to be not I mean just fighting for that long your brain's going through so much and you've got to you've got to you got to come back to earth it's like a dude coming off a 5year deployment or something over in the Middle East like you've got to reestablish yourself back to a normal yes and I've heard him just talk about it once where he talked about I think it was just siloc cybin but that is that saved me from a lot of really crazy stuff as well but I think he is just a guy who knows I would be terrified like if I was a cop and pulled him over and he said go ahead and get back in your car be like okay okay yeah when I first met him well well I met him before this but when he first did the podcast he was not working out at all and he was smoking weed all day long and he was like silly and peaceful and relaxed and he said he didn't want to work out because if he did he would reignite his ego and he didn't want to do that and then the second time I saw him was when he was preparing for the Roy Jones fight and he had lost like 100 pounds he was shredded and like all his muscles were just [ __ ] big and thick and puffed up and he looked terrifying it was like and Jamie and I were like that's a totally different person like from from the first episode he did to the second episode completely different person because he was Mike Tyson again he was getting ready to fight again and he was [ __ ] terrifying and this is Mike Tyson again at 50 right so imagine what Mike Tyson at 22 was like I mean it had to be [ __ ] terrifying I bet he won so many fights just psychologically oh yeah standing
across the ring looking at that guy even if I was a good fighter yeah um I'm like man yeah everybody was terrified of him you stand like why am I doing this uhhuh yeah he had an aura and all the greats have auras like that Roy Jones had that aura in his prime too where you you knew the fighter that he was facing was [ __ ] and it you know eventually catches up with you and it did with Mike with Buster Douglas and then Vander Holyfield and some of the other fights after that but you know when a fighter has that aura it takes a very special confident person to overcome that and that's why why winning a title is so difficult it's so difficult to beat a champion is the psychological especially if you've never had a championship fight and you're fighting someone like you know Anderson Silva in his prime who had just been dominating his division this is your first world world title fight and you're fighting a guy who's been there done that eight times destroyed everybody in his path and he's looking at you the way he's not remotely nervous about you and he's like smiling at you and he thinks he's just going to tear you apart yeah and it takes a person of very special psychological you you have to have a fortitude your mind has to be so [ __ ] strong to be able to handle that moment because it's not just the physical fight of skills it's also the moment yeah and the moment is overwhelming it's it's it's so different than everything else you know you want to talk about novelty the novelty of a world title fight I mean just imagine someone backstage at the UFC you have there's four fights before you get on and you're watching people get knocked out and head kicked you're in the green room and you're in the the the locker rooms rather and you're warming up you're practicing you're hitting mitts and you're thinking what the [ __ ] am I getting myself into like what am I doing and then you see Anderson Silva warming up you're like oh Jesus Christ what am I doing like you have to have a a very special mind to be able to overcome that and I think it's one of the reasons why a lot of Fighters today are seeking out mental coaches it's very common you I first found about it through my friend Vinnie shoran who has worked with a lot of MMA fighters
and a lot of uh World Championship kickboxers as well and and helped a lot of people with that but there's quite a few different Fighters now that utilize mental coaches and some sort of uh visualization coaching and then where they have very specific goals in terms of how they want to walk out what they want they want to see the whole thing there's guys like Jon Jones would famously like walk out before the fight and he would move around the Octagon he would like soak it all up in yeah when no one was there before everything and we would get footage of it sometimes him just moving around you know move around with his koses he just wanted to feel the floor under his feet he wanted to see the cage he wanted to get himself in that mindset and you know John is if not the greatest one of the absolute greatest of all time and you know he was meticulous and still is meticulous about his preparation meticulous about watching tape and footage and understanding who he's fighting what their moves are what they do what Their tells what the mistakes they make and then visualizing success I think the visual ation is so powerful yeah because he's winning 00 times he's winning that fight before it starts and he's winning it so many times and he's and just going in the ring you're programming that Mamon brain with the smells and the sounds and just the feel of everything and it's so it's such a great practice to establish for anybody yeah as many bases you can cover right like the physical skills of fighting are so difficult to master and you get to a certain level of ability where you do have confidence you know you do think you are the man and you could just dominate everybody but the problem is when you're facing someone else who's also the man like he thinks he's the man too and then you start questioning maybe I'm Maybe I'm Wrong maybe what's happened to my opponents is now going to happen to me maybe I'm going to get mine now [ __ ] and you know you're the doubts start creeping into your mind and then unless you have some sort of a system of how to organize your mind and how to mitigate all this anxiety and stress and how to think about things and concentrate only on the positive things only on what you are going to do and not all that [ __ ] and I think that's it
it's it's about rehearsal and it's the way that c topy EOS do it in everybody is they're rehearsing all of the the the good things happening in their head all the time they have just this General belief that things are going to be great and the guy that's psyching himself out before a fight he's he's maybe it only takes a second but he's rehearsing a loss he's rehearsing these little bad things happening and the the the brain the mamalian brain doesn't speak English at all so it's saying okay this is like we're preparing for this I'm going to try to make this happen it's the same thing when you're like searching for a car on the internet and you finally go buy it after a month and you see it all over the place your brain you're telling your brain what to search for and seek out it's so true and that's our reticular formation inside of our brain so with these Fighters if I'm if I'm rehearsing on purpose then I'm more likely to win if I'm rehearsing on accident by worrying worrying is rehearsal um and that's one of the things I talked to Roy about with his guys that he trains if I worry once it's that's rehearsal that's a that's one rehearsal practice checked off the box and I got to do one more to to cancel that out it's mental rehearsal rehearsal that's interesting yeah and just be you have to also be aware of things that can go wrong if you do drop your hands can go wrong if you do not move your head off the center line if there's something that you do that's a mistake there is real consequences so you probably a little bit of fear is very good for you like one of the things that Fighters talk about is having flat performances because they came in too confident and then they start getting beat up and they can't shift gears like they can't get to the Fear Part because the fear is kind of over once you start fighting like when I was competing I was always terrified up until the fight but when the fight is happening you're not scared at all you're just reacting you're moving and you know you're just I mean you probably get scared if you're getting hurt if you're getting battered you know and you're you're against the ropes and you're getting [ __ ] up but for the most part you're not scared you're just you're in this Zen State you're in this state of just letting
your training do the work but the leadup to it the leadup to it is where everybody freaks out that's that's where the real fear comes and it's just mitigating that until you can get in there and and then once you get in there you're really not scared that makes perfect sense it's the same thing in the military like if you're getting into a gunfight or something there's fear before and not during and that's the same thing and if so I would imagine there' be fear during as well though no I've I mean I want to speak for myself I've talked to a lot of dudes that just kind of everything goes quiet it's a mental Stillness because we go through a lot of training uh that that gets you ready for a lot of those scenarios I could man I could show your video after this um that'll be fun but they have this program where like they put a black bag over your head and there's a bunch of dudes that are mostly like retired operator dudes and every few minutes this black bag that you can't see through and it's not like a plastic bag it's just like a hood and you're sitting there just holding your gun and they rip this bag off your head there's a circle on the ground it's like five feet wide and you can't step out of it you can't take a knee those are the only rules and for these every there's a scenario playing out in front of you every time the bag comes off and these guys are wearing like Arabic style clothes and the the Middle Eastern style clothes they're blaring crazy music and explosions in your head while the hood is on the hood gets ripped off it's like 40 seconds long you don't know what to expect you don't have no idea what's going to happen and these guys they're wearing little mask and you have SIM simulated ammunition um some will try to kill you some might run up to you really fast and ask for directions and you never know what's going to happen and for these dudes to go down they're all going to try to shoot you first if they shoot you first you start the day over and it's like 11 hours it's it's grueling process huh so they keep so this is what is the purpose of this like what are they trying to achieve there's a few things your aim like I need to get better at Target acquisition so like I I do something here and I know something over here and
I'm I'm going to rotate over to this this next thing that that I have to deal with mhm and after days and days and days of this you get very good like it's nowhere near that level but you walk out of there feeling like you I'm John Wick now but they get you to a level and the instructors don't go down unless you hit them twice in the base of the nose so like you can shoot them in the chest and they'll they'll slow down or they'll take a knee but what what happened my headphones stopped working really yeah they're good now okay so like they'll slow down but you hit them U twice in the base of the nose and they go down they'll they'll drop and that's like the brain stem you have to sear the brain stem and it's days and days and days of this and you can't step out of the circle and what is the simulated ammunition like what are they using it's a real bullet inside of a real gun so it's like the Beretta I deployed with but you take the barrel out and you put in this smaller barrel and it's it's a real bullet but the tip of it like Wax and it's filled with like hot pink laundry detergent essentially like a little paintball but it's inside of a bullet inside of a real bullet you're going to have a problem with that [ __ ] watch I know it's on it's on airplane mode I had one of those once I wore it for one day and it was buzzing during a podcast I was like all right [ __ ] this thing now it's going to go off over there and you're gonna have to reach for it so these are the bullets that they use paintball training bullets and so do that Joe yeah airplane mode maybe it's someone important calling you isn't there like people on your list nope no um yeah that's it so those things they just splatter on your face is that what it is yeah I mean the guys are wearing masks and stuff like that right and uh but if it hits that area then you go down where you're you're done and then it's a lot of critical judgment and decision making there might be a guy that walks up to you and he's holding an axe over his shoulder but it's just like a farmer because maybe the younger guys are like oh there's a dude there's a weapon he needs to die right uh but he has no intent right so I'm you can't just shoot people because they have a a
weapon over there so it's a really good training for judgment and and that just that fast decision making okay and so this is is just to sort of condition them so that when a battle takes place it'll be sort of automatic to fall into these patterns that they've learned yeah and that they may say this in other parts of the world but they say you're going to default to the lowest level of your training the lowest level that you've repeated thousands of times right that'll be your default so it's interesting that you worked with one fighter have you worked with any Fighters since then uh two other guys I've worked with just through Roy mostly work with CEOs that need to need a break from a bunch of limiting crap that's holding them back or or business people but two other Fighters that I've worked with and you can watch this guy's fight he's not gassed out he's sitting in the corner the other guy's just heaving and you could his chest is still and you could see the announcers even say it in the fight that he's not making any facial expressions um man I can't remember hold on I'll find it okay um but it's on YouTube the fight is on YouTube I I'll bring it up uh Bryant uh Pella Bryant Pella is his name Jamie you'll find it and the announcers are even saying he's not making facial expressions when he's getting hit it's like Terminator his face was just completely straight there's a guy that uh was one of the greatest heavyweights of all time out of Russia his name is Fedor million Eno and he fought in Pride which was this enormous organization in Japan in the early 2000s and he was famous for having like a completely stoic expression no matter what happened that'd be terrifying to me oh he was the most terrifying and cuz he was so skillful as well but I wonder like what they taught him in terms of like how to keep your your mind in check in the middle of chaos because I mean he'd be in these [ __ ] Wars and just his facial expression never changed there's this famous fight with him and Kevin randman Kevin randman was this Elite American wrestler and he super lexes Fedor on his head like on his neck and on his head and his expression never changes in the middle of getting thrown through the air slammed onto the ground
then moments later he catches Kevin in an armar wow yeah it was crazy it's just like never Chang never changes face just calm you know he might be having a cup of coffee at a local cafe I bet it was what what you were talking about earlier well like you don't exist you don't exist and it was what I'm teaching to these Fighters what I'm I'm programming these fighters to do is is essentially the same thing you don't exist there's another part of you that's going to take over for this this entire experience and this part of you is more than capable so did you talk to Roy about like What fighters experience like what to work on so what did Roy tell you Roy said that the three most important things are I don't want them to to get gassed out too fast which is like when maybe that's a common term a lot of it yeah lot of his anxiety adrenaline dump yeah and feeling like you're running out of air um and I I I want him to be immune to pain which is obviously not not completely possible we can get close like to him feeling as so confident that the pain doesn't matter and he wanted him to be completely hellbent on destroying this other guy those are like Roy's three things and he said you add in whatever you want so I added in some cuz a couple of those things are symptoms so I wanted to figure out what what's the root cause of this like if I'm just hellbent on taking this guy out the root cause of that might be um anger and and just being extremely mad and angry at somebody generally speaking they tell you that that's not a good emotion to take inside the ring because anger will anger is an emotion and emotions will cause you to uh like Yuri prasa says uh go into another line so instead of doing what you should be doing in in the flow you might push things so you might be a little too aggressive and open yourself up to counters you you might not be defensively responsible because you're really only thinking about offense whereas you have to kind of be in this zone of both things at the same time and knowing when to attack and when not to attack that makes a lot of sense yeah a lot of people don't think but then there's Fighters that fight angry if you know they're very successful if you know a guy I'll do it for you it be interesting well there's a lot of UFC
fighters probably listening to this right now like me like I'm sure you'll get people that are interested in it because everyone knows that there is a huge psychological aspect to fighting everyone knows that no no one denies that no one thinks you could just be skillful and just be you know and everyone knows there's a psychological aspect of it that's very very very important and if you could do something that would strengthen that the same way you do something that strengthens your cardio or strengthens your power you would think that that would be very beneficial huge Advantage Tiger Tiger Woods had an on call did he hypnotist yeah really an on call hypnotist yeah like a a guy that I think traveled with them many many times so he had a regular hypnotist that he saw and uh I think it's a tremendous advantage and if you can get it to a point so like I had been training all these CEOs couple of politicians that I've worked with that needed this breakthrough and of confidence and authority and all this other stuff so I always had this way to like turn this thing on there was like an on switch to to activate this little Alter Ego thing and for the all the fighters I had to figure out something else because they couldn't use their hands their hands are all you know gloved up and taped up and all that all that kind of stuff but I figured out with the fighter like there was so much it was almost like a little psychopath when this thing came on and you can see it in in Bryant's face on this fight and you have footage of him Jamie I'm sorry like I was looking at tigers I got lost into that I found the guy but oh you found who it was Jay brunza is his name Jay brunes it was when he was younger he also caded for him so he was around with him all oh Tiger Woods you're talking about we were talking about Roy Jones Junior's fighter that's like having your corner man your hypnotist that is kind of crazy every time in the corner insle so he traveled around with them all the time well I would imagine look if you're doing something like golf where there's millions of dollars on the line and that is clearly a very very much a mental game yeah there's a lot of thinking and calculating and being in the zone and
golf that totally makes sense that would be effective and it's so different it's it's so similar though to fighting was it's a very mental game like can I stay here can I can I be present can I figure out what's going on and keep in mind I know nothing about fighting but right I know a whole lot about the brain and how and how people work you know it's interesting cuz what you're saying kind of applies to stand-up comedy too cuz I have we've talked about this a bunch of times in The Green Room of the club um I think stand-up comedy is hypnosis I think it's kind of a mass hypnosis because I feel hypnotized when someone's really good when someone I'm just is not even as a person who's who does it but as an audience member when someone's really good I'm allowing them to kind of think for me you know I'm I'm going with the way they think about things when someone's really really funny and I really enjoy watching them I'm in their mind I'm they're they're taking me on a journey they're like holding my hand and telling me where we're going yeah and if someone's really good you let them I've never thought about that before but that's it that's you're you're bypassing your own critical Factor where I'm not criticizing this information because it's funny I want to hear it I want accept it well that's why jokes work when you know the person doesn't really believe that they don't want to you know they're saying crazy [ __ ] but you're laughing anyway because you know what they're doing they're just taking you on a fun ride it's like a fun ride through jokes and when you're doing it there's this moment that you want to achieve where you're essentially a passenger you're not even really the driver as the as the as the comedian comedi yeah you're kind of the passenger and the the set sort of takes over and you're just going with where it wants to go and when the subjects come up if you're not completely invested in what that subject is the audience knows you can say the words the right way with the right timing and they won't work there's like something about it but if you're locked in the audience gets locked in with you and it's the difference between someone who can't figure it out and someone who becomes successful it's like realizing that you can't talk about something while you're not thinking about it you
have to be thinking about that thing and you have to be invested in it it has to be real to you it has to be something you're really interested in and then the audience gets interested in it as well yeah that is so true yeah it's a form of hypnosis I think and the SEC I mean one big part of hypnosis is something called fractionation are you familiar with this no so it's fractionation is where like I would put you into a trance and that would bring you almost all the way out to where your eyes are kind of opening again and then send you back down again and you go deeper so in comedy and and in conversations you can do this to people where it's like super fun thing then really depressing or scary thing fun thing scary thing scroll through your social media feed yeah it's fractionation as well but it it increases suggestibility and one of the only one of the best guys I've seen is like Mitch Hedberg could pull people in oh yeah man he was such a awesome dude when it came to that stuff you know why he could pull people in though is because people knew what to expect when you went to see Mitch Hedberg Mitch hedberg's struggle was the early days when people didn't know who he was and if you schedule a show badly like say if you have like a an opening act that's high energy and then a middle act the worst is like of a middle act does like singing and songs and stuff and then he's very non sequor dead pan one funny line after another absurdities it's all absurd and it you know sometimes it didn't catch on like he had to to become famous and then people wanted to go see him knowing what they were going to go see yeah that makes so much sense he's kind of like a Steven Wright yes guy very similar non seiters and uh wacky observations yeah wow I would have never considered that so people have to have a degree of expectancy yeah well not always I mean sometimes people just appreciate it because it's funny but this show has to be structured correctly like if like I said if someone goes on before and it's a rowdy crowd and they're singing and they do some [ __ ] back flips or something crazy and you get used to that person like this big reaction from the audience and then you got a guy there with sunglasses on someone asked me if I want a frozen
banana I said no but I want a regular banana later so yes like it's like what the [ __ ] are you talking about like you have to be a Mitch Hedberg fan or know what he's doing to appreciate that yeah but once he became famous then it was awesome CU then he was free so then he could just be himself self he didn't have to worry about like they were coming to see him so then he could just like really like Excel yeah so what I teach I want to see if you can relate this to Comedy somehow I teach you know we talked about what influences the mamalian brain Focus Authority tribe and emotion those four things and no no language involved whatsoever and then the human brain has six things and it seems like expectancy is one of those things so it's Focus openness connection suggestibility compliance and expectancy and I think you only need three if you get three you can get compliance from anybody like the milgrim experiment there's no openness there's no connection and there's no expectancy they're not they don't know what to expect is next so milgrim experiment only got three and made people murderers only three so as a comic if you're on stage you you have to generate that Focus you want to create some level of openness with put the people in the crowd so they're open to receiving and suggestibility I guess would have to be in there right and connection would be a a huge one yeah there's a lot of things going on but there's there's so much that goes into planning a show that I never thought about until just when you said that like you you have to keep the energy level at the at the right balance you also have the right have to have the right mindset before you go on stage like the worst thing that can happen is before you go on stage something happens that throws you off like you get a phone call from a loved one like something goes wrong at your house like you're in a car accident like something happens before you go on stage and you're [ __ ] up that that's a bad one yeah that happened to me yesterday what happened cuz you got the biggest show I think in the world biggest podcast in the world and I for the first time in a year and a half I had seizures yesterday oh my God just yesterday you think it's because of this show the show put you into a
seizure I went I forgot to take methylene blue for three days straight oh and the seizures came back wow how bad was it uh they were like a minute and a half uh but one of them we were in a on the way to a restaurant I was like holding our daughter who's like 13 months old oh Jesus and uh it was just but it's not like a crazy seizure it's just like your head falls down uh but I thought like yeah this is I'm going to have a seizure on on Rogan and oh no and it like I would like if it happened I would beg you to keep it in have there been studies on methylene blue and seizures where or doctors recommending this stuff absolutely I've published papers on it so doctors are backing it up there's tons and tons of studies and these are major universities it's not like Jimbo's College down in Mexico City or something these are major universities neurodegenerative disorders like Parkinson's myasthenia gravis ALS and epileptic disorders so anybody that's got epilepsy this is neuroprotective and then it's also neurogenerative it helps you to get to a point where you can make new neurons and it it it helps your mitochondria so much your neuron mitochondria wow and like mitochondria make up 6% of your body weight it's like we we got a lot really yeah we have a ton and they have they don't have human DNA I thought you might like that what does mitochondria have it's its own DNA it's they think it was like original from bacteria and then formed a relationship with single- celled organ organisms and then became human or became animals mammals and mitochondria do not have do not share DNA with humans whoa and they power our cells it's pretty cool and methylene blue helps them yes there's a there's a whole lot and the reason red light is effective is because of this chemical called cytochrome C oxidase and it's absorbing so much of that red light to where there's photons going down into the mitochondria helping to generate at p mean it is I mean I I'm not like saying click the link down below or anything like that is it saved my life is there anything that people should be worried about with that stuff like other than taking ssris is there what happens if you take too much of it like I'm not a doctor um but you taking too much of it
can be toxic but I mean taking too much aspirin will do the same thing right so it's it's hormesis is what they call this where I'm like at the right amount it's helpful so that's a hormetic effect and what's the effective dose again per body weight my dose I can't tell anybody what to do um but the dose I take is about 1 to 2 milligrams per kilogram per day and then I'll take one day off like once a week maybe sometimes I just keep going so if I'm 70 kilograms and I'm taking 2 milligram or 2 milligrams per kilogram I'm going to take 140 milligrams per day all at one time H usually just in the morning and it is so cool I've heard people say that they feel a cognitive benefit from it as well oh yeah yeah yeah I think it's just generating a lot more energy in your brain because there's ATP just going out everywhere this sounds like one of those things though where I'm we're talking about this I'm like man one day this is going to bite everybody in the ass like this sounds like one of those ones where it's almost too good to be true I I know it's it's backed by 120 years of research I was just Googling the weight of them and this is the best I could find it says due to their tiny size individual mitochondria weigh an incredibly small amount particularly negligible but collectively in the human body total weight of all mitochondria be estimate the range of a few milligrams however the exact rate can be dependent on factors like body mass and cell type well that doesn't sound like 6% of your body I don't think that's correct but that's AI overview it can't be wrong oh that's right so um interesting where did you hear this from a professor of mine so maybe maybe he's dealing with old information might be yeah a few milligrams defin definitely not 6% of your body it's a lot more than that okay but either way it's a part of your body and there it's like the most important thing in our bodies is is mitochondria so we we get inflammation and we have all these disorders it starts with some kind of dysfunction with mitochondria most of the time as I understand it uh so the doctor that got me on this mitochondria it or mitochondrial Health regimen which is M methylene blue plus highd do
melatonin and this is like two 200 milligrams and do you take during the day oh no melatonin at night right around Sunset where my body is kind of naturally wanting to I've heard people talk about the side effects of melatonin and that the that taking exogenous melatonin it might not be the best idea melatonin doesn't have a rebound it doesn't no no so it doesn't have an effect on your body's ability to produce it either no no no your body no negative side effects well there people think there's negative side effects of everything right there could be that's one of the problems with the muddy murky Waters of health and nutrition is like it's it's hard to know who's correct because there's a bunch of air quote experts on both sides there's yeah what I'm saying is it's correct for me because it's it's solving the problem of me like when my daughter was born the my daughter was born Christmas Eve 2023 when I was driving my wife to the hospital at that time I didn't know who she was really yeah so you had seized up no I mean something was wrong it my hippocampus is was like eating itself at that time I I knew that she was a friend I knew that she was important to me what you did you literally didn't know she was your wife didn't know she was my wife I took selfies with her going into the hospital she's pregnant going into labor and delivery but I knew that if I could fake it for 10 or 15 minutes when this thing like wears off because I'd have these like weird phases that my brain went through if I could fake it for 10 or 15 minutes then it'll come back to me and it wow what a mind [ __ ] it's terrifying in that like you won't like you're losing everything it you lose everything without losing your life well also you're wondering what if this is permanent what if I am like what is that movie momento remember that movie oh yeah where the dude had to write everything down on his arm cuz he he didn't know what the [ __ ] was going on yeah yeah and he had that Polaroid camera that he carried around yeah it's a good movie great movie but it's scary in that like you were not there it's like it's kind of like an Alzheimer's thing but it was different in that like I spent with this hippocampal problem sclerosis and this
temporal L epilepsy I thought my dog was fake fake Jesus like I saw somebody like planted this animal here and it's not a real thing were you paranoid like someone did this or were you were you like why is this fake dog here there is paranoia like we were before a temporal Lo seizure happens there's so much Deja Vu that it feels like you're going down a roller coaster like you're falling off a building that kind of pit of your stomach feeling so you look around and you're like there's no way that all of this is not set up someone set this up so there is paranoia there like right right as a seizure starts cuz everything starts looking like I've seen every single detail right here before someone setting me up and then boom seizure starts Jesus it's horrible man but mine stopped and if I stop taking methylene then seizures start and I'm not saying anybody's got to go to the same website as me you can get it on Amazon it's nice and cheap is there anything else that affects it like your diet drinking is there anything that yeah if I if I eat a lot of carbs uh definitely so like a low carb keto diet is what they recommend for Alzheimer's and and all kinds of brain disorders is cancer as well keto yeah yeah it's so helpful for your body so I have a low carb super low carb diet and try to remember that methylene blue every day and I do red light therapy at home I have a huge helmet thing that goes down it's a red light laser system that's supposed to penetrate your skull in your body like 4 in so I I do that about once a day for about 20 minutes Jesus it's bad ass it's cool it looks like one of those hair dryers from a like a old hair sounds cool but I I always think like how much electricity around your brain is a good thing like is people are telling you not to have earbuds in anymore yeah yeah yeah have you had Jack Cruz you heard of no no yeah I know he is yeah um I I've heard so much of what he said and it's like I've stopped using uh have you heard him break down sv40 horrifying that's is very interesting yeah very interesting I would s virus that's connected to some vaccines I hope someone looks into it yeah I talked to Brett Weinstein about it and he explained it to me it's crazy
like they they used monkey kidney cells yeah as the basis for certain vaccines not knowing that they were going to infect these vaccines with this sv40 and it causes cancer awful yeah and it's just like I'm I'm so I'm not educated on medicine so like I don't know like is that a common thing have they done it with a whole bunch of other stuff and we're just looking at with this one thing I don't think I'm I'm educated enough on that to know a lot about it but hearing Jack described that was terrifying just terrifying yeah and there's so many other things that are coming out just one after the other with this stuff that was going on with the vaccines and all that if I can even say that word well you can now that Robert Jr is the head of HHS yeah thank goodness it's going to be interesting to see what he uh uncovers can we do a a break take a pee break okay we'll be right back so what are you saying about uh what you teach the governments so we teach the government guys like scops guys a lot and we teach him a system called neurocognitive intelligence it's essentially how do I identify in a population or one person some behavioral patterns and if I can identify behavioral patterns then I can predict future behavior and if I can predict it I can influence it to another Direction and it's pretty easy if you just kind of get these basics down and the like the first thing that we teach is this thing called the childhood triangle and this is what did I do around the age of eight for safety friends and rewards so how did I what did I do to feel safe what I do to make or keep friends and what did I do to get some kind of reward for some kids a reward was like uh their parents complimenting them some kids a reward was like water or food you know depending on your life how you were brought up but if you look at adult behavior when you see these patterns of how adults deal with conflict you're seeing most of the time how they dealt with conflict as a kid because we're carrying all these childhood patterns into adulthood all the time it is so common so when we have a a habit of dealing with conflict even in a relationship not even a work thing we're
spotting these little childhood patterns of safety friends and rewards almost all the time and if I can spot that that's like a step one of developing a a pretty deep Behavior profile of of a human being does that make any sense yeah it does okay and then step two is identify social needs and this is like what what do we need from other people and there's six six of these and this is like significance acceptance approval intelligence pity and strength and of course that's not all human needs but those are the six that that you can spot pretty easily and that you can leverage pretty easily when it's persuasion and influence if I'm if I'm training an intelligence guy to go recruit somebody overseas right he's got to be able to spot these things because he responding what this person needs so if I'm in a conversation with somebody says well I'm been a CEO for 20 years I managed 9,000 people at this company there's a significance statement right so we hear these statements in conversation all the time but we hear them just kind of passively instead of understanding what's being revealed in a conversation so if I hear a person speak you'll hear one of those six in almost every conversation even if it's a a two-minute conversation with an Uber driver you're going to hear some of these statements come out the acceptance would be like I'm I need to be part of groups I need to be I'm a member of things we they use a lot of words like we did this we did that and the approval people are like well you know I'm going on uh I've got this thing I got to speak on stage I I never do a good job and I need you to tell me like no know Chase you're great you're going to be okay you're you're going to do a great job those are the approval seeking the intelligence seeking people we're talking about the universities they went to the the grades that they got they're they'll display their intellect in all these ways and pity pity people is pretty obvious like and the way that we deal that the pity person is essentially asking to other people realize how bad I've had it or what I've been through and if I can spot that then I can start recognizing izing that and making this person see me as their type of person because now I'm not just a person or a friend they're getting neuropeptides from all this so
I'm kind of a drug dealer if I can spot which of these six this person is and their and these behavioral patterns so this is like in the first two minutes of of an interaction you can spot these things in the strength and power person there's one that's leader and one that's like I need to if I bark loud enough if I act tough enough then nobody's going to hurt me me so there's one that's kind of the natural leader and there's one that's like the the Chihuahua right the defensive yeah yeah and when you say work with scops people what do you mean by that I've trained uh many times US Army scops branch and how to do these they have a name is it just called scops branch called SS put up that video what's that Jamie we put up that video the other day which one that crazy like we ended the podcast with it it was like on the scop YouTube channel their commercial oh right that W that's that that video is CRA there's of them right cool they're very cool but it's crazy yeah and it's it's like can we play that again yeah I guess do they let us play it or do they give us [ __ ] I don't have idea YouTube has a lot of prob want it to go around I would imagine yeah they would want that to go around we're trying to help you [ __ ] brainwash people we're on your side we're American you know who Edward AES I know the name uh he was the guy who's he invented like public brainwashing large scale brainwashing and he was uh the guy who changed the department of War to the Department of Defense he was the guy who invented the uh torches of Freedom Campaign to get women to smoke Virginia Slims he's the guy died margar in yellow ghost machine is what it is yeah that's it if your opponent is of caloric temper seek to irritate him pretend to be weak that he may grow arrogant son Zoo the art of War like Kill Bill this is such a wild video have you ever wondered the peaceful Pro democracy demonstration in China comes to a violent so good whoever made this way to go down unnamed un of course who's pulling his trinks who is unnamed who did this wesing feel look it for purpose in your life born From the Ashes and this video comes on this could this could get you
to sign up of a world at war most makes me want to sign up now you'll find us in the shadows right you want to be these guys sneaking in with the guns right at the tip of the spear Marching In impressive manner a threat rises in the east oh no the music helps a lot oh yeah it really does Warfare look at they're back to the Mongols this is crazy and then they shift from that to Modern military antifa scrolling all the world's a stage there is another very important phase of warfare it has as its Target not the body but the mind of the enemy Target psychological warfare anybody wanting to be in control of stuff yeah this would be just so like okay I'm yeah I'm going to go be in charge of everything intoxicating anything we touch is a weapon we can deceive persuade change I wonder if they can Now with uh Doge one if youa getting crippled will have an impact on that I bet it will probably I bet it will I don't know if that's good or bad so these uh if if you know how to speak to a person and and you can get them into an identity agreement early on in that conversation you can do anything and if you just look at mgrm all they use so remember we talked about those six things that influence a person look at that milgrim experiment there's only three if you look at that the lines experiment a person guessing which line is the longer or which line matches there's only a few in there and you get absolute compliance from that so if you can do that and then get somebody to make an identity agreement like what kind of person are you so as just to put this in Practical terms like I'm training a real estate person uh one-on-one they're like well how do I get these clients to behave like this at the end you get them to agree at the beginning and like so one of these lines would be like you know when I first started learning real estate they told me that I'm only ever going to deal with three types of clients they're going to be like the first ones are the doubters and these are the people that doubt
everything because they maybe they had uh hard childhood or they get screwed over so many times that they doubt just everything which leads them to never taking action the next ones are the delayers these people just push everything off in their life and bl and then we have the deciders and these people get all the information that they possibly need and they make a decision so without me even if I'm the real estate person without me even telling you or you agreeing or saying what you are I've got you to subconsciously or to privately make an agreement in your head that you are probably in category three and that's within the first like 10 minutes of meeting somebody so I've started to compromise identity at in in just a few minutes and if I also know that you have have these behavioral patterns and I also know that you seek significance right before I say that I might say you know Joe it's it's obviously make a tremendous difference around here I know a lot of these people really look up to you and I looked up to my my mentor who taught me this stuff real estate and he said there's only three types of clients so now I've got your dopamine levels up I've got your neurotransmitter levels up as a as a little verbal drug dealer to get you kind of addicted to what's going on here then I pull you into this identity trap that's like 4 5 Seconds where I've got you into I've got you hooked into identity and it's just a small piece but I've got you hooked in to begin with and I've got you to agree that you are a certain type of person that's the key am I the type of person who blank did you see a lot of the characteristics of this kind of scop interaction with the public during the covid pandemic in my head I was going please don't talk please don't bring cuz it seems like I'm going to I'm going to send this to Jamie cuz this to me was uh one of the darkest moments of the propaganda of the uh the whole thing was the the the complete lack of empathy for um the unvaccinated and not just lack of empathy but disdain and contempt contempt yeah but this was in the LA Times and uh I saved it because I knew we were going to talk today and I I remember seeing this going God to put yourself into a place where you could even write this
and then put it in the New York Times say column mocking antivaxers covid death is ghoulish yes but may be necessary I remember when I read that I remember when I saw that I was thinking Jesus Christ this seems like this is so on the nose George Orwell yeah it's so it's such a mind fight no one should ever mock someone's death that's just an a citizen that got infected with what now we know was a genetically engineered virus yeah a gain of function virus from a weapons lab that got out to no one should no one should mock an innocent person for not trusting the government and not wanting to get vaccinated that that is so crazy to mock someone's death from a disease where they did nothing wrong if you want to mock the the death of a murderer or a rapist or some horrible criminal that's a different thing right you want to mock Osama Bin Laden's death you want what that's a different we're talking about a different thing but it's that this is crazy this is crazy to say this to grandmas and O obese people that wind up dying from Co this is crazy to put that in the Los Angeles Times but that was one of those things it would let everybody else know this is how they think about you if you don't if you don't follow along yeah and the tri tribe will get you yeah especially that artificially simulated tribe where there's millions of people that are going to be angry with you people you don't even know and a lot of them are bots so the first time I ever went on Dr Phil um he great guy he came to my my wedding he's a close friend now but this is I've never met him before I've never I'm some ex-military guy it's like a tobacco chewing dude in the military and I'm going now I'm going on Dr Phil and I'm like man how what if I uh like how do I how do I act if what if I what do I do if I'm nervous and he's like man you have a horrible disease and this is what Phil said Chase you've got a you've got a horrible disease you you have a need for Love from strangers whoa and that changed me [Laughter] man that's some harsh Tru yeah and uh I think that got me over that but if you look at all of this everything that was going on the what we talked about manipulating the mamalian
brain it's Caesar Milan it's every step that Caesar Milan does does with dogs Focus Authority tribe and emotion uhhuh so if I I hack your focus using novelty if you remember we talked about like something breaks our expectation I'm not expecting to see mocking and all that kind of stuff mocking antiac Focus Authority is just LA Times right tribe uh people must agree with this because it's published and it's up there and then the emotion mocking the deaths might be ghoulish so make me feel a little bit of emotion that helps me feel like a good person maybe may be necessary to be necessary so it's Focus Authority tribe and emotion how much of that do you think was engineered how much of this was do you think was planned out this response do you think that someone sat in a room and that people discussed the best ways to get people to comply yes oh yes I would I would bet my career because it was executed following textbook protocol and there are these I made a YouTube video on my channel of like how to spot scops and there's like 20 different little things you only need one one thing and you can spot whether or not you're standing in the middle of a scop that one thing is if the opinion that's coming out needs people to be silenced it's a up there's there are psychological operations in play wow so if you can't question it if you're supposed to just go along it's a scop yeah and if and if people have to be silenced or or publicly shamed because of their because of their information and they're not telling people the sky's falling they're not they're not saying crazy [ __ ] they're just saying basic stuff and they need to be silenced that is a sop no matter what you can go back in any any time in history during a s up of our country and if people needed to be silenced or shamed publicly which is like the tribe right that's why public speaking is our number one fear for for humans I'm it's not a fear of speaking it's a fear of judgment right so I'm just putting the threat of judgment out there that is a s up so if people have to be silenced and they were Harvard doctors kicked off of the internet or kicked off of Twitter for for this stuff yeah
that's Stanford MIT yeah that's all you need yeah the the great barington declaration people didn't agree with exactly how the government was handling everything and they were silenced and they were treated like Fringe quacks instead of respected Physicians and uh it was openly discussed in emails that's what's really crazy they they they talked about the strategy of silencing these people and then you had the actual government itself contacting Twitter trying to get people removed which is wild yeah didn't you didn't you have Mark Zuckerberg on he talked about yeah he talked about Facebook doing it about uh the FBI contacting them it's um it's crazy to believe but my hope is that people have learned from this past four years and that this is an eye opener yeah and it one thing I could say like if if you want to know whether or not you have been lied to if you can't see anything wrong with the side you agree with and you can't see anything right with the side that you disagree with you have been manipulated or you're very rigid in the way you look at things right yeah or I mean this this you've been you're assuming objective right because some people are just not objective right but that that lack of objectivity can come from a manipulation a lot so I'm deleting your objectivity through Sops that's what I want to do that's what scops typically aim to do but some people again as you talking about with suggestibility some people are more vulnerable to that sort of group think yeah way more way more yeah and that's like if you think of back to that childhood triangle again friends safety and rewards what did I do to get friends I listen to them and I I agreed with them what did I do to feel safe because that my dad was a [ __ ] or an alcoholic or something I just went along with everything they said I'm just going to go along with it so you may and I'm not saying that's the recipe for suggestibility but that may be uh the the reason someone grows up that way that's just how I lived as a child those were my little scripts to survive as a kid as an innocent little kid and there's so many scops that are happening all the time some of them when you say scops a a really really good infomercial
is a scop right so but what we're talking about is a large scale right um one of the things that I thought was fascinating about the scop of the whole pandemic was that there were people that weren't even benefiting from being a part of it that were working for the scop and you saw people that were they were making videos mocking people that were unvaccinated or calling one of my favorite was Keith obman you ever see the Keith Oberman one no that guy was a great sports caster just I don't know what the [ __ ] happened to him but he uh has this one video where he's he gets vaccinated and shows you his card and tells you that everybody who's not getting the vaccine are scared vaccine hesitancy you're scared and he's like yelling you're scared and it's he's like on his balcony in Manhattan it's like so out of touch because he obviously lives in this really nice place beautiful view behind him and he's talking about how these people are scared because they're not getting the like scared of what like what are you scared of is there something to be scared of yeah you're scared of side effects from a [ __ ] new medicine experimental there's been so many times in the past where we've seen they launching new medicine and there's a host of side effects at the [ __ ] pharmaceutical drug companies probably knew about and didn't tell everybody like but you're scared you're scared see if you can find it it's wonderful because it's so kooky you just watch him yelling and screaming it's like this is so ineffective but and this dude this is how everything is like we oh yeah they drugged everybody with LSD oh yeah we gave Indian small poox or we fill in the blank oh yeah yeah yeah we did that for this year and this decade and this decade and this decade and it continued on but not now not now if not we don't do that chase why we do that now Amica this is America joke this is not how we operate today we are moral we are the leaders of the Free World have you found it this is it right yeah this is it give me the [ __ ] so give me some volume so he's getting his shot with his stupid mask on he's got shot accomplished and it is it is time to stop codling them the ones who won't get the damn shot already and our first step you and I is symbols the language
we use we call these people vaccine hesitant vaccine Skeptics antiva we say they're protesting mandates and passports they're making a personal choice they're waiting for more information they're making a medical decision [ __ ] they're afraid they're afraid to get vaccinated correct stop feeding their egos about what they're doing stop legitimizing it vaccine hesitant they're afraid vaccine Skeptics they're afraid antix they're afraid they're protesting mandates and passports they're afraid a little bit of spittle in his upper lipes they're afraid extra good they're waiting for more information afraid they're making a medical decision to be afraid the snowflakes are afraid okay we get it we get it isn't it wonderful wow but he's doing this for social credit he's doing this to Virtue signal he's doing this to show everybody he's holding up his card I'm compliant you know and he thinks he's going to it's going to benefit him somewhere there's a payoff socially he he feels like he is on the side of the intelligent people who trust the science yeah I wonder if someone asked him to do the video I doubt it but maybe maybe possibly I know that they definitely did encourage people to post things on social media yeah so it was encouraged enough to the point where you got a little a little reward emotionally good job Keith but they're leveraging the that Authority in the tribe yeah like I'm not going to nobody nobody celebrity is going to talk like that on TV unless lots of people agree there got he's got to have a l backing plenty of people agreed with him but the thing about it is like afraid of what like you're not you're not saying what they're afraid of they're afraid of what everyone's experiencing right now Keith yeah massive side effects yeah look at the amount of people that have myocarditis look at the the Rises and all these autoimmune disorders and all these different things that people neurological conditions that people are dealing with that are vaccine injured I've got a friend of mine that was kicked out of the military uh for not getting it and it broke my heart he was in for 19 years he was about to retire and get pension and all that kind of
stuff now the Trump Administration apparently is going to bring those people back if they want to come back with back pay yes is that happening to him yes that's great he's going back in he was a commander it's [ __ ] crazy well good for him first of all for sticking to his guns you know and if he knows anybody that's been injured or died from it now I bet he probably feels pretty good about his decision and I tell you what man at 19 years I probably would have done it I think I would have done it CU that's like that's pay for the rest of your life and your kids are covered and with medical insurance but by then you know people had already known that there were side effects you I've talked about it before but my my situation was uh I was not hesitant at all initially the UFC had allocated a bunch of uh the vaccines for um their employees and we were doing shows during the pandemic and uh we were doing them in Vegas so there were at this place called the Apex Center which is a smaller Arena that the UFC had fights in during the pandemic everybody had to be tested you have to be tested before you get there you have to be tested at home before you fly the whole deal you get there and then once you get there uh they told me that they had uh vaccines for all the employees so I called the doctor and I said hey can I uh do it while I'm here I was going to do it the day of the fight I thought it was like the flu shot like whatever I didn't no I had no fear of vaccines at all before this point I had no I'd never read any books about vaccines I thought anybody who was antivaxer was a c vaccines is the reason why we don't have polio and small POA all these different things right so um they tell me that I would have to come back on Monday I can't come back on Monday or I'd have to go to the the clinic on Monday they have to do it there they can't do it at the arena I said I can't uh but I'll be back in two weeks for the next fights I'll do it then in between the time I was supposed to be there and come back it gets pulled from the market so they had the Johnson and Johnson it gets pulled for blood clots then two people I knew got Strokes oh God and I was like what the [ __ ] is going on because like so many people are getting vaccinated and you know if you have millions of people getting
vaccinated you're going to have some serious side effects occasionally and I was around quite a few and I started getting really ner and then when it came back I'm like do I have to take this thing because then they had pulled the Johnson to Johnson and they were saying well you still get the fiser or the mad I'm like whoa whoa whoa like what's going on here what's going on and then a bunch of people that I knew had it and got over it really quick they got covid and then my family got it and when my family got it I was like let me see if I can get it cuz like uh I didn't do anything different I hugged my kids I slept with my wife like we we hung out together they were like you're going to get sick everybody was sick in the house but me and I was like hm this ISD I had two days where I when I was working out I felt kind of weak maybe that's because of your horse paste could be I wasn't even taking horse Bas at the time um I was taking nothing I was just vitamins I was constantly doing vitamins and nutrients I do I I was doing IV vitamins at the time once a week with NAD I was very I'm I'm healthy I work out a lot but it was this narrative that if you around it you're definitely going to get it and I was like okay well that's not true yeah because I was [ __ ] around it and this was back then when everybody had it in my family there was no vaccine so I was like okay let me see what happens and I didn't get it and I was like they all got over it and they all and then a bunch of my friends got it Jamie got it everybody got over it I was like this is not what everyone's saying everyone's saying it's a death sentence like this is [ __ ] weird this whole thing is weird and then um I eventually got sick because I was touring and I was doing Arenas and I was like traveling around and wasn't that bad it was like one day I felt real sick it's likeold two days later I made that video and CNN turned my face green and I saw that it was nuts so that to me was fascinating to be the subject of a scop was fascinating I the day that I saw I was on Twitter or something and I saw someone did a side by side original aired when it when you were like greened listen man if I was really sick I would tell everybody hey man this is for real I'm really [ __ ] sick like uh this is really scary because I'm very
healthy I very rarely get sick and I'm [ __ ] real sick like do your best get vaccinated do whatever you got to do but I was like this is weird because this is not what everybody said it was going to be this is not this death sentence 3 Days Later 6 days later I'm working out with 100% energy had no problems at all I did 10 Rounds on the bag 6 days later just to see I was like let's see I feel great like let's see how I feel like endurance wise it was 100% I felt totally normal 6 days later so like this is what we shut the [ __ ] world down for and didn't tell anybody to get healthier didn't tell anybody about vitamin D I was very fortunate that I had a very good doctor who is very into nutrition very into supplementation and he was prescribing me coratin and zinc and you want to be really up on all your vitamin C and D and and D3 and make sure that you take it with K2 and magnesium like he was on the ball so I was on the ball and I was like okay why don't we tell people this and how come everyone's mad at me why you mad at me for getting healthy this is crazy yeah it was fascinating to watch that scop it was that was the weirdest thing to watch it turned on me you yeah you became the media the like the the medium that they used for the scop and I can't imagine how that feels it was weird it was weird but I was also getting a lot of support too it was it wasn't all um people mad at me there was a lot of people mad at me but I just stayed off social media but there was also a lot of people that were supporting me like hey what about why is he healthy like why is he okay how come how come you know this 54 year old guy didn't just drop dead like you said everybody was going to yeah why is he making a video three days later it feels great the [ __ ] going on and I I will will tell you man I put have a YouTube video on my channel that is anti- cops like how to spot scops in action and I copied that video that they made I made a very very similar intro but the moment that I saw one doctor on YouTube had to not use this was at the very beginning he had to not use that word he couldn't say certain words on YouTube like vaccine all stuff I was like 100% this is yeah this is well all the algorithms were searching for it so people would spell vax like V and then they would use like a dash and then an X
you know they would do something to try to skirt around the algorithm yeah so and and then why is that's the one thing is is someone credible being suppressed is a credible person being suppressed and then when you see it tenfold 100 people all these people that are being suppressed if your idea is good nobody has to be Qui and then it's going to catch on its own also the the C the counter to that is if your idea is bad you can't just force it through people are going to figure it out eventually they're going to realize eventually if you keep calling this stuff horse paste veterinary medicine and people are going to find out oh wait a minute it actually won the Nobel Prize the the inventor of it for humans for use in humans and actually it's on the World Health Organization list of essential medicines actually it's been prescribed billions not millions billions of times like what the [ __ ] is going on where you're saying this is Hors paced 50 plus 100 years it's been around quite a long time and it has a incredible safety profile which was the wildest thing about them going Allin and calling it horse paace cuz like you are doing this at the expense of your credibility for people who just want short-term profits and you're you're killing your business your business is people want to believe you when you're talking about the news and now they don't yeah they don't over something really stupid well you could have just ignored me you didn't have to do that you could have just ignored me yeah it probably would have had very little effect but then my video probably would have had very little effect people probably wouldn't have believed me oh yeah bet he feels like [ __ ] and he's lying that would have been fine yeah but instead they went all in and too many people were paying attention to it and by that time too many people had already had Co and gotten over it and going what the [ __ ] is going on and then there was the whole thing where they were saying you had to get vaccinated even if you had suffered from Co and recovered where you had natural immunity that was proven to be seven times stronger it was a pure scop yeah so and the big thing there was when I when I can make fun of Joe Rogan and like I can shame Joe Rogan if I could do that to you one of the one of the more
popular guys in the country especially when it comes to Media then I can I can I can just make that a trickle down compliance effect where I can get millions of people to comply because if they're going to do that to Rogan there that might happen to me well I'm sure it worked I'm sure it worked I'm sure a lot of people complied after they saw that they saw those attacks and you know I met a lot of people that would accuse me of spreading misinformation like what did I say tell me what I said yeah what was misinformation what was wrong and they can't even tell you they didn't even know what they were just like saying something because you were there like they they felt like they had to say that it was a a fascinating time and um what's interesting is coming out of that now you know the country coming out of that now I think people are way more skeptical way more skeptical of believing the media and way more skeptical believing the government way more skeptical I think that was a huge mistake for short-term profits I think they still would have made a ton of money a lot of people were scared they would have taken it anyway they lied about all the [ __ ] studies anyway they they they were doing well they but they sacrificed their ability to do this in the future yeah they gave their hand I don't know who said this quote man but it's I think it's the best quote about Society is like a society that grows is when men and it's an old quote but men plant trees whose shade they will never enjoy thinking about the future and not this this one little spike in profit and that's when a society flourishes when we're when we're doing that kind of stuff well I think it's essentially a a symptom of a system that's been captured right it's the the media works for them because they support the media financially you know um uh c means has talked about this that the reason why they sponsor so many uh television shows is not that they want to sell more drugs it's to keep those shows from criticizing them that's terrifying it is terrifying it's terrifying that it's effective and it works and that we're one of only two countries on Earth that allows them to advertise pharmaceutical drugs yeah because we know the commercials are Sops propaganda I mean mean when you see that
lady and she's dancing with her daughter in the field and they're spinning around circles and now she's happy and everything's great and but you're [ __ ] depressed and you're at home you're like oh I want the music to play I want to be dancing in the field I want to be at the cookout with all the fellas having a good old time that look I can't do that with myasis yeah I can't do that with whatever I'm on what whatever's wrong with me give me give me what got and get me into that commercial yeah and it it's effective It's very effective they've been doing this for a long time and they've got a Playbook written by Edward bernes of all people wrote this book and the book's called crystallizing public opinion and he and you can see it in every one of these operations and it's a short book you can read it in like two hours every one of these things follows that Playbook of zops which makes sense why he would change the name of the Department of War to the Department of Defense yeah like it's way more palatable yeah he's also the reason that bacon became part of American breakfast well kudos to him for that because that was a good move yeah bac's pretty solid funny he was Sigman Freud's nephew whoa yeah what if they did Coke together the the father of propaganda is Sigman Freud's relative nephew that's crazy Sigman Freud helped raise this guy so did you his book oh yeah what does it say in there so essentially it is it's capturing a mass public attention and making the desired outcome about identity belonging and being part of a tribe so to give you an example uh Virginia Slims hired him to say like hey it's just men that are smoking our cigarettes and he's like yeah well women need to smoke you want women to smoke them like yeah let's do it so he launches this thing called torches of freedom are you familiar with this yeah you were telling me about it oh my God just a bring a photo of this if you can cuz it's I'm getting excited about this um it just these people were compromised in such a crazy way so he says women are told not to smoke so he goes against all of this stuff at at the beginning women are told not to smoke everybody tells you you can't smoke in public this is about women's rights has nothing to do with cigarettes so
he organized this massive women's right movement an ancient Prejudice has been removed isn't it just look at the the [ __ ] chain American intelligence look at that the chain says American intelligence around the wrist Lucky Strike cigarettes that's so weird I'm sorry yeah it wasn't just Virginia Slims it was big tobacco there's a picture of the Torches of Freedom cooking that one with the lady right there while cursor keep a slender figure that one believe in yourself that's an updated meme I don't know what that oh is it is it fake it seems like it the font's totally different meme font don't test one brand alone compare them all yeah so they can't advertise cigarettes anymore right isn't that the rule not on TV I don't know about can they do it in magazines I can they still remember the mobro man didn't he die at cancer I don't know bu his magazines remember the marro man yeah [ __ ] everybody wanted to be that dude yeah he's like the original John Dutton denim jacket yeah out there on the Range looking all rugged I wish I was him you know cigarette ads are restricted in magazines in the United States but are still present in some magazines so like federal law limits tobacco advertising in magazines and on billboards however tobacco companies can advertise in magazines that have at least 85% adult readers oh so porn so it's like Playboy right it's mostly adults mostly adults us cigarette sorry you read that yeah what does it say us cigarette giant starts advertising again in magazines millions of young readers oh 2013 oh that's Britain yeah that's so I mean do you think advertising should be legal it's a weird thing right I think about sometimes when I read my Spotify ads which is why I don't I I say no to a lot of things that um want to advertise like some things come across wait whoa whoaa what is that what is that is that real is that is that legit is this funky is that a good product is this is this anything I whatever you this sounds like [ __ ] you know so I want to make sure is this something that I would use is this something legitimate because advertising is kind of creepy it is but
but it's not if it's cool like if you're doing an ad for a Corvette ZR1 I could do an ad for a ZR1 I'll tell you that [ __ ] thing is the [ __ ] it's amazing like you should know that if you get in one of those things and drive it will be [ __ ] incredible that's real like it's a solid product it's a real thing like I could feel good about that ad because I know that's a real awesome piece of engineering and and technology that they've created yeah but if it's not like if you're trying to convince people some shady [ __ ] Yeah It's Tricky and that's the thing like everybody wants to regulate or deregulate things like let's make this D illegal but you're not you can't regulate Health anymore than you can regulate morality it's like when they made alcohol legal everybody just went into right so instead of making you have to inform the public instead of restric them like you're not going to regulate morality and and good decisions and it just won't happen you have to get like we have to stand on freedom and then educate like maybe there needs to be a cigarette warning label and like whatever is putting these die and stuff like which I'm not educated on but all this like chemicals and stuff in the foods may need a label instead of a regulation right so maybe that's that's the ticket I don't think there's a right answer it's like so many of these issues it's there's no right answer about everything I mean did the ads on cigarettes where they show like may cause cancer may cause a little birth did that even put a dent in the amount of people that smoke cigarettes no but it made a it may have but it made a better informed public like at least you knew it yeah you're doing you're willingly now taking the poison right right and you should be able to just like you should be able to eat junk food like when people talk about like getting rid of Doritos or making them change the thing like hey hold up Doritos as they are are [ __ ] amazing just don't eat them every day stupid you should eat them like knowing this is just mouth pleasure I'm going to just have some [ __ ] delicious Cool Ranch Doritos they're not good for you they not pretend to be good for you you're not supposed to eat them for nutrition dumbass this is like mouth Recreation
that's what that is it's not really food are you going to feel like [ __ ] afterwards yeah if you eat the whole bag are you going to get sick well if you eat them every day all day you'll get sick don't do that have them every now and then you're watching a movie open up a bag of Doritos what's the big [ __ ] deal not a big deal the only thing that's going to happen if you make it illegal is they'll just slap a label on it says for external use only put it right Doritos but it's just one of those things was like I don't think you should tell people they can't have things that aren't healthy for them cuz there's a lot of things like cookies and cake and [ __ ] it's just not [ __ ] healthy for you are you going to kill the baking industry like that's dumb that doesn't make any sense to me like you should just know what you're doing you should and unfortunately a lot of people don't a lot of people aren't very educated as far as food give your throat a vacation God smoke a fresh cigarette cam unfiltered camels they're [ __ ] they're the worst oh my God go did you see that that second pair C of that what no what it say it's a there's a peppery stuff in other tobaccos that stays in your throat oh it's the peppery dust left in tobacco by inefficient cleaning methods that makes you cough they're actually advertising this the the cellophane on the pack to keep it's keeping it more fresh of course it is Jamie the humid or there's no stale crumbly parch tobacco the fine Turkish and Mild domestic tobaccos of which camels are Blended come to you in prime factory fresh condition thank thanks to the humidor pack it's basically humodor the last one give your throat a vacation switch to camels for just one day then leave them if you can sounds like Fredo LS they knew yeah you can't eat just one pop two stop all that stuff is Pringles I that's both of them there that's a lot of them you bet you can't eat just one yeah they're good they're good just don't eat them every day stupid one of these but if they take [ __ ] potato chips off the shelf if they take Ruffles off the shelf I'm going to be pissed or if okay all right leave all that garbage up there leave Coca-Cola up there let them have it you can't regulate good decisions no but you should know what
you're doing but if you know what you're doing you take care of yourself it's not bad to have cake every now and then yeah a little bit of cake I completely agree um but there's a lot of value in what you're teaching and what you're explaining to people and I think if more people understand how psychological manipulation is used they'll be less vulnerable yeah to it and I think one of the things that that the first things that we teach people is called the firewall illusion so like if you went to Best Buy today and like picked up a laptop and I was like Joe you should get the antiviral or whatever software there and you like no I don't believe in viruses I'm immune to it that is that's a problem so if you believe you can't be persuaded by these things if you believe that social media can't can't persuade me doesn't work on me bro you are the suggestable person like your brain versus A1 trillion computer you're going to lose I'm going to lose and I can spot all of the things and I'm still going to lose what do you think is the biggest impact in terms of social media on the way people think rephrase that what the like social media obviously is having some sort of psychological manipulation on people yeah what do you think the biggest impact is having on people other than the theft of your time tribal confusion so I get to automatically I don't have to hack your brain I don't have to convince you of anything all I have to do is tell you a whole shitload of people believe this one thing and all that is it may not get you to Keel over right away but it gets you to say wow it's it's starting to become a pretty popular idea I'm going to start to entertain it might start entertaining that so technology is outpaced our brain's ability to adapt period we cannot adapt our brains are were haven't changed in 200 ,000 years if I can trick the mammal part of your brain that doesn't even speak English not even English so all I have to do is get the human part of your brain to translate what I'm seeing what you're seeing on the phone into an image in your mamalian brain and think that there is it's brand new something weird that you're not haven't seen before like on does that sound familiar on social media sure
weird unusual oh yeah novelty generates Focus then there's an authority because you're thinking a lot this thing has 97 ,000 likes in the last hour or whatever Authority tribe tribe is there it's built into the likes and then a lot of bots in the comments that agree with it and chime in and yeah can't believe he's doing this what a narcissist all that kind of stuff um I've got I've got a hold I've put a leash around your mamelon brain and people don't realize how fast it happens how fast that stuff can happen what do you think like if I'm doing if I'm having you on social media for 16 hours a day which is like I think 11 hours is like a a common number for people kids especially if I've got you for 16 hours with Advanced algorithms and Technology designed to manipulate you specifically and in 1972 they could talk someone into murder in 45 minutes if you just imagine what's possible and know that governments are utilizing that that that's a it's not just people's opin opions and it's not just groups of people that are trying to convince other people to think the way they think it's actual governments that are involved in trying to manipulate narratives yeah and it's if you and if you're thinking it's a left and a right issue that's also you may be a victim yeah that's a big one it's not this Us Versus Them [ __ ] is nonsense most people aren't even left or right most people just have a conglomeration of opinions that they've sort of accepted as their own yeah and and I mean JFK got killed for saying stuff like that like it's not left it's not right let's bring this together let's incorruption all these plans we're going to release all these files all these documents I'm not you probably you've had experts on here about that stuff well I don't know what's going on and we won't know really until these files actually get released and what's going to be in them what the [ __ ] are they what is it going to say we did it when is that going to happen do you know I don't know cash Patel's in you know um he going to do it we'll see he apparently wants to I mean I think there's probably a lot of sorting through to figure out what to say and how to say it and what to release I feel like they should just release it all and let the internet
hounds go at it let them figure out they're the best at it anyway and they're the most psychotic they'll [ __ ] they'll be working 16 hours a day until they figure it all out yeah you know so let me tell you when it when it comes to all these beliefs formation I'll tell you the formula for hypnosis okay and this I don't think anybody's ever said this I've never said it out loud not even in my training it's enhanced level of focus and then micro compliances so like if I'm uh have you seen the street performers that would hypnotize somebody in a bar or like you know like to do something silly or maybe they're helping them so the first step is like if I'm hypnotizing you and it's in a social setting the first couple of steps are all right come over here now stand to the left now move your legs just a little bit further now spread them further apart so you have some balance all right just make sure you have some range of motion go ahead and put your arms out on none of those are meaningful right they're all meaningless all I'm doing is get you to comply comply comply comply and that's just the first like 30 seconds I've got you to comply with me 15 times we haven't even started the hypnosis thing yet and so it's just you're you're not aware that you're becoming compliant you just think I'm going through some motions but it's just hijacking the mammal brain yeah so it's compliance compliance compliance and then it's just like go ahead and stare over there I want you to look at that light up there I want you to just focus on that light up there and just let everything go so it's just a lot of Focus right and I and I'll say something like I can already tell been doing this for 20 years you're going to be really good at this and everything's going to be just fine you'll be able to hear my voice the whole time it's not a coma you'll be able to stand and maintain Perfect Balance you'll be completely okay Authority yeah and no matter what happens you're going to walk out of this a better person everybody's going to respect you more and and I'll frame it as like uh us hypnotists call the ability to go into hypnosis unconscious intelligence but I'll only say that if you're an intelligence person so if
you're a significance driven person I'll say we call this unconscious power this ability to go into hypnosis so I'll make it about your identity right away yeah and then there's an increase in dissociation like there's one part of you doing this one part of you doing that so that's like the induction where they're saying oh every all the way down that kind of stuff yeah but that's if you look at social media the final step of hypnosis is fractionation out a slightly out of Trance back in and every time you go back down into that trance you go deeper you you go if you put an EEG on someone's head and you I think you've had Dr David spel on uh here before or you've at least had Darren Brown yeah I've had Darren Brown on um they've done studies on this like this fractionation process increases the amount of theta waves that are going on in your brain which is the theta waves of hypnosis so from the ages of 1 to8 give or take your brain is in Theta like 80% of the day that's why we learn so fast and we we can do all that stuff so up and down up and down and if you go back the next time for anybody watching this the next time you start scrolling through social media I want you to watch how that it's going to Peak a positive experience for two or three videos in a row and it's going to start going downhill and it's going to go back up and it's going to go downhill and every ad that you see the algorithm doesn't do this on purpose the algorithm does it because it's effective every time you see and AD is going to be at at one of those down troughs they're not going to spike you up and have you feel good like with that guy putting on the color glasses that was color blind and he can see and he's crying and all that they're not going to show you an ad after that they'll show you an ad at the bottom it's every time and I don't think that's programmed into the algorithm I think the algorithm adapted because that is the effective way to do it Jesus listen here's your book Behavior Ops this is a fat book dude there's a lot going on in here it's all indexed and um is this available everywhere yeah Amazon and uh my website what is the website NCI do University all right well thank you man it was very interesting
fun fun conversation appreciate appreciate all right bye everybody [Applause] [Music] n