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Joe Rogan podcast check it out The Joe Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day it's a very good time to have a uo UFO expert in a lot has been going on this is it you know I had um I know you ran into him I had Ryan Graves on yesterday oh my God I'll tell you the funny story of how I ran into him you ran into him in the lobby of the hotel right so the lobby told me they all don't use this one elevator it's really rickety and it makes a lot of noise and it's just it's not very reliable and just don't use it so I didn't and then I was leaving 24 hours later to come down and get some coffee and I was like ah [ __ ] it let me take the rickety elevator I was like they told me not to take it but I'm going to take it anyway so I push the button I'm standing there I hear this the doors open I look I see this shadowy figure in the corner I'm like Ryan Graves what are you doing he goes I don't know what are you doing like I was like are you doing what I think you're doing he goes yeah yeah did he tell you that did he tell you yes he did he told me Rand into you he didn't tell me the whole story about the rickety yeah yeah and he was like the shadowy figure up against the corner like kind of just you know looking at him he's looking at me it was really funny we had a lot of we talked a lot of nonsense about uh aliens but we also talked about the technology that he knows is state-of-the-art when it comes to drones yes and that some of these ones in New Jersey they're doing things that you can't really do yet yes yeah which is really fascinating it's like okay and the size of SUVs right so is it ours and we somehow or another have some stuff that the mainstream drone manufacturers at the highest level aren't aware of yet is it ours is like some crazy military stuff cuz if it's not and it's coming from the ocean like what do you mean it's coming what the [ __ ] do 50 of them what do you mean what do you mean 50 Suburban sized so check this out this are coming this is really funny I've been working with this guy uh we've been communicating on a signal for a long time actually he was through proton he was emailing me stuff about Virginia the the UFO crash in Virginia and uh but he
was Anonymous one day uh I was like he's really knowledgeable and he was sending me stuff that was really helpful like you should track down this flight CU if it happened it was going out of this airport go to this base and I was like finally one day I was like who are you and how do you know what you know he goes I'm a retired United States Air Force Colonel I was like oh and he goes and I'm also an experienced her I had an experience back in 1980 blah blah blah oh so what happened to him he had a UFO encounter it's in the movie towards the end but anyway he texted me yesterday and he goes James I really want you to explain to me how the hell you orchestrated a UF UAP Invasion right around the time your film's coming out I was like I'd really like to know how you did that I was like I know I could bro do you know what kind of a budget you would have to have to have drones running in the sky all over how many different cities are reporting it now like what's the numbers it's exploding all over all over the place and it's getting M I've heard California I've heard Europe now bases in England New York New Jersey I've heard uh San Diego um I I definitely wasn't there something in Ohio right right Patterson Air Force Base they had to shut that place down yeah that's Ohio so I've heard New Jersey uh I think Florida right that was the one that Ryan Graves showed us a photo of that was from Florida so like who [ __ ] what how what's going on who [ __ ] knows I was super busy you know I had the release of the film going on and so I was like trying to focus on that and getting everything lined up and it was a huge push and all these text messages from all around the world are pouring in like what the hell's going on with these drones and I was like ah it's probably something conventional I'm not going to worry about it right now I was going to keep on focusing what I got what I got at hand here and then I started getting more information coming in more information then a buddy of mine called me and he actually went to Brazil with me a couple years ago and he's bro I live here I'm seeing these things in the sky I've seen them seven times now they're the size of an SUV I was like well what do they look like what do they
behave like he's like well they're making noise I was like oh okay well that quickly kind of eliminates you know something non-conventional in terms of propulsion but then I got reports of objects it didn't make any noise and it would go silent say what kind of noise it was making like a like a uh like a like a like a propellers drones would make but loud and they're and they have yeah and they have a loer but they're big and they have a loer Time hours the average drone like I fly drones for my films is like you're lucky to get 25 minutes these things are there for hours yeah 5 hours at a time they go dark when they're approached by other other objects they're not getting picked up on Fleer at times and then some of them make have no noise I've heard Crescent shaped and then I heard about the ones that really got me because I contacted Christopher melon I was like Chris what is going on buddy I really rely on him for good information and he's like I really don't know man it's a real [ __ ] show and the US government seems to be clueless right now he goes some of them are conventional some of them are misidentified conventional crap but there are other ones coming in off the ocean that were up to 50 the Coast Guard and police department are reporting that truly remain a mystery and then you had Schumer at a press conference just like it was yesterday and then he's going he's like we don't know what they are we don't know what they are and the guy goes yeah so it's a UAP he goes well the drones he goes well you wrote the legislation it's a UAP it's unidentified anomalous phenomenon why don't you just use UAP I think they using the word drone because U U AP is almost too scary like some kind of invasions happening that's what UAP is unidentified anomalous phenomenon yeah so couldn't that be kind of anything doesn't even mean flying toally well that's the thing because it used to be unidentified aerial well it was UFO unidentified flying object then it was UAP unidentified aerial phenomenon but then they're coming out of the water right I feel like this is non anal why don't they just keep using UFO because it has because people associate UFO with other worldly and they they wanted to take that remove that baggage and make it a little less scary that's my personal
opinion I kind of get that but also it's just unidentified flying object if we find out what it is then it becomes an identified flying object it doesn't necessarily mean it's alien true but right like think think of people probably jump jumping out of their Windows right now if they said UFOs are invading the East Coast you remember world the world back right people were like jump true that's a good point that's actually a very good point so I think they tow it out I think they're using the word drone even though they're identify just because of the Fear Factor I think the Fear Factor is real yeah I I can't help but cringe when I hear that word oh sorry I the fear element it's so funny too it was too much of a part of my life too close to home um so when did they start like what was uh when was it acknowledged that this was an issue that was reoccurring recently like you know obviously there's always been something in the sky people have always seen things who knows what they are whether or not they're you a lot of people see starlink and they think it's OS right yeah of course but when did this drone thing that we're currently experiencing basically every day when did it start a couple weeks ago maybe a maybe a month ago that's when I started really hearing about it but Jamie is there like um any sort of official answer to that I have something that 20th 19th something like that mid November mid November this episode is brought to you by gopuff does grocery shopping drive you nuts the lines and the chaos and the inflated price then you have all these thirdparty delivery apps with their ridiculous fees markups and you still have to wait hours for delivery well enter gopuff the game changer they deliver snacks groceries alcohol Essentials whatever you need straight to your door in just 15 minutes and get this it's cheaper than the store because gopuff uses their own fulfillment centers no middleman no crazy markups it's like Amazon but for everyday essentials and way faster gopuff also just launched cheapest on the planet pricing think $2 organic eggs $2 milk $5 diapers $10 Tide Pods it's insane they're beating big grocery stores at their own game so do yourself a favor download the gopuff app on your phone use the code Rogan 20 for $20 off
your order and experience faster cheaper better shopping trust me you'll thank me later I have something that uh this is about an air base in Vandenberg Air Force Base in 2003 and this is not an anonymous but this is about incursions over listen to this I promised this individual that I met at Soul conference he's a witness he's a military guy my name is Jeffrey nelli I served 16 years in the United States Air Force as a technical sergeant and a military police officer in October 2003 my co-workers and I witnessed a series of extraordinary UAP incursions at Vandenberg Air Force Base in California the initial event is known as the Vandenberg red square and was first mentioned during the historic UAP hearing UAP hearing held in 2023 the case involved Boeing contractors who witnessed a huge Red Square shaped object roughly the size of a football field hovering over a missile defense system the object was silent and had no visible means of propulsion the contractors watched in amazement as the massive object slowly dri shed East and vanished over the hills I retained official Air Force records of the event including the blot form entry which includes the names and contact information of all the witnesses and provided it to select members of Congress arrow and the FBI arrow is a new UAP task force um all domain anomalous resolution office after the initial event several other UAP incursions took place at Vandenburg I was on du during many of the encounters and I investigated the incidents as they unfolded now remember this is not Anonymous reporting here they include a football football field siiz craft that terrified security guards as it silen hovered over a bunch a launch facility be before flying off at an unbelievable rate of speed a brightly illuminated silent object that landed on the base flight line before accelerating instantaneously and disappearing into space a huge triangular-shaped craft larger than a C130 that hovered 50 ft over a police officer before it drifted slowly over the base a blue white liquid orb roughly the size of his house that hovered over his house on the base the objects made no sound and had zero obvious means of
propulsion and he says my experiences with UAP were all inspiring exciting and terrifying I don't know why UAP are flying over our bases and our neighborhoods but do know the UAP phenomenon is of the utmost importance to all of humanity I currently have five other military witnesses to the venberg incursions that are all willing to testify tomorrow under oath that these statements are true we need answers to this mystery and better government transparency thank you for the opportunity to share my story former United States Air Force technical sergeant and witness Jeff nelli whoa crazy right I mean we're talking object size of a football field that's bananas and then they take off in insanely fast just like the Tic Tac straight up into space so this was it what what was the exact date of this this was 2003 there was a number of incursions during that year up all the way into 2005 and he has the names and they submitted it to the new head of Arrow that's interesting because that that coincides with a Tic Tac it does coincide with a TI I wonder if there's like you know vacation season you know it's like every few years let's go check out what those guys you know what I mean maybe it's like a real pain in the ass to get here maybe it's one of those things like you can go to Australia but it's dude it's a pain in the ass it's 16 [ __ ] hours on a plane it's a long flight oh my gosh I went to South Africa one time and that was like 22 hours I was like the plane's going to run out of gas that's exactly what I'm saying it's like one of those things it's like you can do it but it's a pain in the ass so maybe they only travel to Earth every now and again how could these incursions have been taking place and like here we are 20 years later and we're only now really starting to talk about them I think the reason being is if you don't understand it and you can't protect people from it because it's so beyond our capabilities that if just describing it accurately removes all confidence that our government has everything under control that's one one reason why and also if you have no answers you don't know what the hell it is like a very good point if you don't know what the hell it is what are you even going to say hey there's something that came we don't know what the [ __ ] it
is it's as big as a football field shot off into the guy we have no idea they'd be like you mean we have no idea hire someone who understands this and then they'd be like fire him get him out of office I remember like 20 years ago bright-eyed bushy tailed totally naive still Bri I mean still still naive but I was meeting with a general and I said God it would be so amazing you know this story is like so unifying and we have this Kumbaya moment and we discover that you know we're not alone in the universe and wouldn't that be amazing and blah blah blah the implications for all of humanity and he sat there almost chuckling at me yeah and he goes looked at me and he goes you got it all wrong man you don't you got to see this through our lens and I was like through your lens he goes yeah the military's perspective I was like okay tell me and I never thought about this before you just mentioned it he goes okay imagine this scenario we sit there and we say you know my fellow Americans it has been brought to our attention that there are craft of Unknown Origin whizzing around with impunity in our airspace they exhibit a technology that's Lightyear's advancement anything that we have we don't know who they are where they come from what they want shall they turn to be hostile we have no visible means of defense against them thank you and good night you're fired you're fired you're fired and it someone like Trump will come along I'll make a deal with the aliens but do you see that predicament like people always go why the secrecy duh yeah you have to have secrecy because you got to imagine the job of a politician in general right like you have to pretend that you're going to be able to handle situations that you well know you're not going to be able to handle yeah you know if you're running for president you know you're not going to fix this economy all right stop just stop everything's going to be I'm going to wave the magic wand and it's all going to be taken care of you know you're not going to implement electric cars over the stop stop shut the [ __ ] up there's not enough batteries so you're if you're lying about all that you're probably going to lie about whether or not you can handle the alien threat I will unite us I will unite us as a
planet so we can deal together with the aliens yes yeah let's do it all you have to do is just say some [ __ ] like that someone probably bends his ear when he gets into office and like yeah a good speaker about that disclosure JD Vance like a guy like that very bright young energetic speaker he convince people he could talk to the aliens he could convince people he can convince people that he can unite us all have you have you seen the program no I have not okay so there is explain it to everybody okay so the program basically it's funny because the last time I was on the show we were talking about an alleged crash retrieval case that took place in Virginia Brazil yes in 1996 and your documentary on it which is yeah moment of contact amazing amazing document so we're talking about that and I I I came off the hills of doing the phenomenon which touched a little bit on a potential crash retrieval program but then it was like uh then it was the crash retrieval over in Virginia Brazil and then um I got hyperfocused on that and then I had sort of was a personal Journey for me was okay the elected officials what do they know and when do they know it do we have a crash Ral program that's what I set out to do and then three months after I was on your show in April of 2023 the highest level Intel officer David grush testifies under oath that there is a crash T program and it the government does have definitive proof that we're not alone so he kind of opened the door for me and a lot had happened since the release of the of the phenomenon and moment of contact there was all this legislation there was the first congressional hearing there was um uh behind closed doors meetings with a number of of Intel officers and Witnesses and um and then you had the second congressional hearing which was David grush which was absolutely phenomenal I'm sure you saw that yeah right and then just recently just a couple of months ago we had the third Congressional hearing which I actually funny enough got to attend it was the first time in my 30 years investigating I was actually sitting behind people while they were testifying under oath about legitimacy of the phenomenon as well as there's a crash reval program I mean people have to
understand that feel like maybe these things aren't happening fast enough just a couple years ago they didn't even admit that the phenomenon is real now there's people testifying under oath that we have a crash eval program so drip drip drip things are happening they're not putting the genie back in the bottle do you wonder at all that you're being mind [ __ ] do you wonder at all this is a massive s and this is all just to cover up some very Advanced American weapons technology I think it's a very good question and here's why I don't believe that because I have done 30 years of field research right so I've gone to China I've been to Russia I've been to Australia and Africa South America Canada Alaska all across Europe United States and I've investigated Close Encounters of the Third Kind and I ask your audience don't take it from me but the the United States Air Force investigated and categorized Clos Encounters of the first second and third kind right during their official capacity Project Blue Project sign project Grudge project great [ __ ] movie by the way if you haven't seen it folks close encs for the third time probably the best Alien Invasion movie of all time do heck has a cameo appearance in that film did you know that I had heard that I don't remember who he was though but wasn't the French guy didn't he he supposed to be ja Jac Vala has a cameo well there's a guy acting his part but actually Dr jayen heinik who is the scientific adviser of the Project Blue Book all those years for the Air Force actually has a camoo appearance smoking a cigar during the encounter and that's that's right that's right that's right smoking a pipe smoking a pipe and he a lot of the cases write down to Richard D's face being burned by the UFO those came directly out of Project Blue Book files even the description of what the entities looked like Close Encounters again Close Encounters of the Third Kind this is the United States Air Force documenting this stuff yeah and he and and he took it directly out of project BL files and made a movie out of it and as a little wink wink nudge nudge he has Dr heinik have a cameo appearance in the movie you know what uh most people don't know that it's it's a fantastic movie too great movie because it's a movie that's filled
with it's not like standard UFOs land like there's some play going on there's some weirdness to the way they interact with us that sort of is much more realistic in terms of like the things that people experience they experience interactions very strange interactions and when they had those little orb like things that were flying around the movie that's all straight out of like oh yeah yeah oh 100% I remember I had a buddy of mine who was a pilot over Europe in the 70s and he used to come for family dinners and he was always talking about I was like yeah yeah yeah whatever and then later we're all in when I started getting interested in UFOs I was like Michael tell me about that UFO ENC you had that Red Orb goes it was just like it was in the Close Encounters of the Third Kind stepen spb's movie I was like ah they took those files directly out of project BL files and right onto the big screen that's what the food Fighters were right yeah food Fighters too little orbs yeah little orbs fighter pilots are flying around they're seeing these things with them let me ask you um and this is why that I don't think it's a scop thing because I don't think it's a SC up either well the reason why I don't is because okay I don't just believe grush because he testified under oath and he's a high level intelligence officer that's very impressive I believe grush because his claims align with my personal research in the field remember I've investigated crash retrieval programs crash retrieval cases right and so I was I mean I when I put out moment of contact well actually when I went into to put out moment of contact people were going James you just dropped one of the biggest most successful UFO films in terms of transcending the UFO community and penetrating a much broader more mainstream audience are you sure you want to put out a documentary that deals with an alleged crash in live aliens walking around the town of Virginia Brazil like seriously that's what you want to put out there you you got access to Like Larry Harry Reid and all these Intel insiders and now you want to do that you're going to tarnish your reputation it's a bad who gave you that advice a lot of people did they were I wish you called me well I like James you can handle it you probably heard about
moment of contact and then you thought yeah this sounds too crazy and EV you watched it no I thought um well I always think a crash and contact sounds crazy it does I always think that but I would have never told you not to do it oh okay I would have never told you you're really good at this you know like you're really good at like explaining you look half the town talking about including the May that's an incredible story it's an incredible story it's a phenomenal story it's one of those stories where you're like if everybody's in on this this is crazy if everybody's telling and no one there's not one contrarian that comes out and goes they all told me to lie I'm not [ __ ] lying this is stupid they're doing it for tourism not one person come on there's always some hater there's always some hater wants to ruin your gag I remember you know what I mean no I told you I remember when was making moment of contact and it wasn't done with it yet Lou alzando was like he's like James he called me up he goes I need a copy I was like the film's not done I don't care I need a copy give me a rough gut I don't care I was like okay okay what's the urgency and he's like you don't understand who's watching this right now so I was like okay so I'm giving him copies and I had absolutely no idea ever in a 100 million years that I think we're going to be having months after the release of moment of contact a congressional hearing under oath that was there a crash what year did moment of contact come out it came out at the end of 2022 do you think Biden watched it do you think he sat down with Biden that would have been wild you know he's been he's been so dismissive of it all like you know Obama said a lot more about it you know why CU he's already in space he's in space right now he's like go talk to Orit right now around that's the best you can do he's like Dr Manhattan he's on the moon in a glass house okay let's say if Biden if you're listening right now you have nothing to lose you're the president of the United States sir release the hounds he's never running ever again he's not running for a second term you're it's come on we're done he's already pardoned more human beings than any President E ever other than Carter list to the advice at the end of the program Yeah by Senator Harry Reid who's now the the late Senator
Harry Reid and I said to him what advice would you give the president it could have been any president at the time and he said don't be afraid of tarnishing your legacy by addressing this issue headon and I hope that Biden gets to see that and I really hope that president-elect Donald Trump gets to see that people are ready for the truth they've had enough of the line I think we're Way Beyond that at this point I agree with you however when I confronted Mr Trump he was very kg was he really very K I've seen some things they told me some things he didn't tell me [ __ ] he basically it was basically like neither confir confirmed nor Deni no there was no eyes I don't do that [ __ ] especially to a pro like Donald Trump like you're not yeah yeah you're going to do it to an actor or something shut up know what the [ __ ] they think Daniel de Lewis told you that he just ate a baby you'd [ __ ] believe him you know what I mean you know what I mean like this idea that like what did his eyes tell you what did his eyes it depends on the person depends on the person if it's your regular crackpot and they tell you a lie like something's up but there's people that can hide things they can hide things behind their eyes I think he knows something I don't think he's that interested I think he's more interest I think he's like sort of a non-nonsense type of guy that's this is why you kind of have to be to be managing multiple businesses simultaneously right he's always done that his whole career right managed being on The Apprentice while running these golf courses while having these buildings apartment buildings hotels he's constantly doing something right yes so while he's doing all that and he's playing golf while he's doing all that there's there's no time for [ __ ] alien man there's no time for nonsense there's no time for sitting around with your buddies you know smoking a cigar going what do you think man I mean if they [ __ ] if I was them man I would do what they're doing you know I wouldn't even there's no time for that nonsense talk that guy's got businesses but we got objects of Unknown Origin flying over residential areas flying over military bases flying over nuclear silos well now I think he's much more interested because that's a matter of National Security I mean people are
freaking out like what the hell are we seeing and they're going we we don't know what they are but everything's fine totally safe there's no there's no national security issue here we don't know what they are but you're fine don't worry about you remember um what was the Steven Spielberg movie with the shark the great white shark yeah Jaws jaws remember they're like everything's fine a is like keep swimming yeah keep swimming the water's fine everyone say people are getting bit in half that's the Perfect Analogy dude that is the Perfect Analogy that is it everything's fine go about your lives they're definitely not sniffing drones come on nuke sniffing drones so what if some nuclear material was just stolen off a cargo ship whatever whatever guys all the all the online conspiracy stuff is is crazy and I get a lot of it because obviously what I do and people s me all kinds of stuff I was like well hang on a second I wish I could put boots on the ground but but no that's there's something really weird going on and the fact that they don't know or they're claiming that they don't know what it is and here's another really funny thing I actually in the in the program that I did now and I hope you get a chance to watch it cuz it's crazy it's got tell people what it is okay so basically I was talking to you about earlier tell people the title the whole time it's called the program it's going to be on it's on it just came out it's at number one right now it's on Amazon when did it come out yesterday oh beautiful I know uh so it came out yesterday it's on Amazon it's on uh Apple TV and you can Google the because the Alor Al algorithms are just starting to catch up with it on Google right now cuz everyone's like I can't find it look up the program and then Google James Fox UFO documentary the program you will 100% find it it's being also made uh available internationally they're working as fast as they can to get it up it just went up yesterday it's the most independent film from start to finish that I've ever made and it covers what happened because everybody thinks the government suddenly had this Epiphany decide to be more transparent with the general public that's not what happened what happened is there were a couple of intell insiders in the Pentagon
reviewing some of this classified data or so-called classified data and resigned in protests of excessive secrecy they found a loophole this is Lou probably J Stratton I don't know for sure definitely uh Chris melon and they walked these evidence tapes out of the Pentagon through this loophole they bent the rules a little bit and onto the front page of the New York Times right so that happened and it got it was just it was exploded you remember that mhm and uh since then there has been this unprecedented Push by a bipartisan group of lawmakers to find out what the intelligence agencies know and when they knew it and and so that started happening behind the scenes right so it was 2017 2018 2019 2020 2021 uh and then in 2022 they're like we're having a congressional hearing Congressman Andre Carson I think he was a wh conent but I'm not positive he put on he spearheaded the first open Congressional hearing public open Congressional hearing and in that Congressional hearing they acknowledge the fact that the phenomenon was real it was slowly introduced that we were not getting told the facts there was a document that came out called Thea the uh Wilson Davis memo and that was about the discovery by former Dia guy Admiral Wilson of the crash retrieval program that was like maybe 20 20 plus years ago and none of the names or anything in that document were redacted I cover that memo in the film and then 2023 another Congressional hearing this time it was David grush talking about the crash devil program it's been a steady progression and so a lot has gone on between 2017 in 2024 and that is what this film does is it covers behind the scenes effort bipartisan a group of lawmakers effort to find out what the intelligence agencies really know yeah and people that were you know and and in one of them it's there's an encounter and I think I remember you hearing about it cuz you wanted to get a hold of David grush and so you contacted me and I actually had a I actually had a drone up in the air in England and I was I know and I had I had my phone attached to my drone thing cuz that's what was using as a controller for the screen and I'm flying the Drone and there was a huge Windmill and I saw this Windmill
and I was like that's going to make a beautiful shot for the movie and it is in the movie so I'm up there flying it and the wind the the the the turbines are going round and round and I can't quite tell how close my drone is to them so I'm paying really good attention and I'm getting close to these big turbines and all of a sudden my phone's ringing and it's you I'm like oh my God I I can't not answer this I got to answer so I answered it while my drum was up there oh no and we talked briefly and you said hey can you get me in touch with with David grush I said yeah I got a guy that can put you in touch with that was Jason Sans and I guess you and Jason Sans talked about this alleged encounter in 1994 with this entity alien whatever you want to call them in the desert yes so that was crazy story crazy story but in any case so when you watch the movie in the program you'll see the Drone flying dangerously close to these and that's funny little inside thing didn't crash but I was on the phone with you when it happened but when you watch the footage it's like wow that's really close is that guy public with that story he well so because otherwise I would discuss it yeah yeah uh cuz it sounded so nutty no no yeah okay so here's what happened this is funny because um when I was in Washington DC with melon and and this gentleman Jason Sans I'm using his name now and melon looked at me and he goes this guy's story is pretty wild I was like what do you mean he goes really wild and we're sitting down having dinner and Chris melon orders he orders a uh uh he orders a drink he he had a um tequila so whatever anyway and we were all having dinner and and uh Jason sand starts telling the story about this alleged encounter in 1994 and it's one of the craziest stories and I've been doing this for 30 years and this story is nuts okay you remember oh yeah so yeah he I went like this to my phone he was telling to me like this one yeah me too yeah yeah yeah me too so was one of those wait wait what the [ __ ] did you just say insane okay so tell everybody said I will I'll get to that in one second this is the reason why I can well look there's the reason why I can discuss it publicly I know the reason why I can discuss it publicly is because he was going to appear anonymously in the movie and I was debating on exactly
how to go about doing this because I was torn because you got a statement from an individual you don't have his identity but hey I was in DC I put the whole thing down and I said look if he was worried about his security he was a whistleblower he' already testified to a number of of Senate Intel committee Senate armed service committee and um all about the UFO phenomen yeah about the UFO phenomen they they're part of the UFO U task force they found him and they he was giving them information and rep on and um so he he goes I'm really fearful I don't know if this Witness Protection Program is going to be that helpful I'm just I'm worried I said look if you're concerned about the story getting out or not getting out if you want I'm here you can come to our studio we could film you on camera and if anything happens to you it could be released and it could be a little insurance policy for yourself he goes that sounds great let's do it so I did a whole film about it and then I'm periodically posting Clips or or just skill frames and updates on the movie as I'm making it as I do on social media and I posted this one scene and it had a clipboard on it in the scene and on that clipboard if you zoomed right in it had his name so I posted the by accident I posted the damn thing and my phone starts blowing up 10 minutes later you just revealed this this guy what are you doing take it down take it down take it down too late too late so it was out there and he's getting all kinds of heat so as a result of it I'm giving the truncated version he basically had to go through the Doster process which is basically pre-publication of authorization of what you can and cannot say excuse me so he basically could talk about a number of cases that were in the film we had to blurp out one particular word which in the movie It's blurred out we had to do that that was that was doer so it was the winter of 1994 there was uh a unidentified flying object that was picked up on the base old school UFO oh yes sir it it was it was a UFO it was picked up on the base and it was recorded by sensory data and it was picked up on camera it had camera footage of it from different locations what it look like it looked like um was weird shaped it was like unusual shape and there's people talking about it's in
the movie and uh the film is in the movie The the film footage that leaked from the bass is in the movie so you can see what it looks like flying around kind of yeah it's it's kind of blurry in some spots and yeah you'll see it so uh it's in the program it's in the program yeah and then you hear all the voices I actually had the voices cleaned up you can hear people talking about what the hell is it is there a clip we could see online just so I could CH what it looks like um damn I'm sorry uh could you maybe just say the actual name of the incident maybe find it yeah try and find it it's uh Nellis test range UFO 1994 see if you can find it people put stuff up long and it's really bad yeah true good point cuz it's on Amazon right now people put Clips up so fast yeah that's true yeah and there's other things on there so in any case so that that that video bam there it is oh that's terrible that's there's much better footage of it yeah there's much better footage of it it's in my movie I had it cleaned up but yeah that's it basically can I see it again so that's what it looked like wait the footage I have is is way better than this yeah that sometimes it's so so what did it look Jesus Christ you know what that looks like Jamie very weird shape Jamie you know what that looks like that looks like looks like teren Howard's creation doesn't it it's weird what is it what does he call that again but it was those things that lock together those you know the flying drone thing that he created the Lynch pins Lynch pin yeah Terence Howard created this uh fascinating concept for uh like a drone where it's like propellers going all these different directions and they they sync up and they link together and and um it looks like that oh yeah so it's anyway so it's footage people talking about it what is it we don't know it's not it's unidentified and it flies around the base and that leaked and the names of the of the witnesses leaked 3 days later can you expl but sorry to keep cutting you off but could you to say what it did like how it moved it just it it was like it was didn't have any visible means of propulsion it didn't have any Wings it didn't have propellers it just looked like a like an object a round sort of object weird shape almost like a helmet
or something with things coming off of it and it was just moving around the base and then nobody nobody slow slowly at time oh footage okay that's it that's exactly it yep it's definitely not a big balloon and you hear no you hear everybody talking about it the audio that goes along with it and I had it cleaned up is they're all talking like nobody knows what it is and so uh this is zoom is this why it's moving around like that they're trying to keep it in focus and it's all uh Mr Sans explains all of that in in the film The Program he talks about it so anyway so this leaks people's names the witnesses leaks and um uh three days later he's in a convoy excuse me Gazo tight he's in a convoy and it's early in the morning and there's three Jeeps trucks Jeeps uh in Convoy on a dirt road heading out Nell's test range and they see what looks like maybe somebody was involved in a plane crash there somebody that was struggling out in the middle of the desert it was early in the morning it you know winter time and they're looking at this individual like oh my God is that a per a person that that individual needs some help that that individual looks like they need some help they look cold they skin had a slight blue tint to it and they're looking at this gentleman and they're like hey stop the Convoy this person needs help medical attention maybe they had a plane crash and so we're going to help this person out and uh they pull the they they pull the Convoy over and this individ comes up individual comes up to the car car Jason SS get out gets out the right side of the door and as he's getting out somebody in the truck screams he's got no effing ears and Jason says he turns around and he looks at this guy and he had the same kind of uniform that they had had on but the uniform was just Immaculate like there wasn't any dust on it no dust on the boots and he was thinking to myself well that's weird this guy's got no ears this guy some kind of mutant and he looks at him and he said his eyes were a lot bigger it's all ill Illustrated in the movie and then he starts talking like he said it was like a snake bite him and he was just paralyzed with fear he was it was really scary what am I looking at is this a human is this a mutant is this an alien what is this and I starts talking
to him in gibberish but he said he started to understand like telepathically everything this this person and entity being creature alien whatever you want to call it was saying to him and he was looking for some kind of metal and he didn't know tenellum and and Jason Z's like you know I don't know I don't have any you mean you mean uh titanium he's like no t tillum or something and this conversation goes on for for a bit and then the guy just wanders back off and gets into that little craft that looked very similar to what you just saw there and flies away and he said he sort of stair stepped away and everybody sort of came out of this K State and off and off they went and um we have the names of the other milit witnesses that were on duty during the encounter the alleged encounter people are going to criticize me because I'm reporting on a close encounter of the Third Kind but this Jason Sans says he's willing to do a a a lie detector test like public he's willing to testify under oath that everything he's saying is true we have a date we have a location and we have the names of the other on Duty Officers so what I'm hoping is despite the level of criticism I'm going to receive for reporting on this is that other individuals that have more information on this are going to be inclined to come forward I also met with people in the Senate armed service committee Senate select committee on intelligence sorry in in the house and they said Jason Sans is who he says he is he checks out he is named previously classified or classified programs he's he's identified the guy's legit his his his credentials check out and so I opted to go ahead and report on it with the hope that uh more information will come out on it listen man it's there's nothing wrong with reporting on a story like that there's been a bunch of them it's not a small number of these things where people have experienced these things and imagine if it's true if it's true they're not all liars I can't believe they're all liars yeah imag imagine being that person who had that experience and not have anybody believe you not only that but it can actually ruin your reputation and your career to talk about this experience which is the
reality of it it's one of the things that stifled discourse on this until I think the New York Times really broke the ice I think in 2017 when they published that all of a sudden serious people who were unwilling to talk about UFOs before just for the ridicule yeah now you you've got the gimbal video the go fast video you've got fighter pilots Commander David fraver you've got these people discussing these things openly and like okay this seems like something that a serious person can discuss now and so then it's open but actually meeting one and talking to it's like the Virginia story like when I I told people the the the cop picked it up and carried in the car and the cop died some horrible bacterial infection that they couldn't cure he was rubbing himself down with rubbing alcohol according to his family like he was like this greasy stuff on my skin and he was rubbing himself down and he had to stench smell grease yeah and then I I interviewed the doctors there's a couple of actually going back to Brazil next month there are a couple of forensic Pathologists that are willing to come for that we're going to cover kind of update the movie and re-release but so it's an ongoing investigation wouldn't that be the best protection from an alien planet's bacteria if you had the most vicious bacteria on the surface of your skin right like imagine like if you go to another planet and the way to mitigate the effects of viruses and bacteria on that planet is to have skin fluid that's like unbelievably toxic like anything that comes near you just gets cooked yeah like a skunk right have have you ever had a skunk oh yeah I had a skunk got my dog once I I took out this guy's garbage one time and he's like hey it's in my it's in my garage and flipped up the thing and Dro it in there so I like I was like kind of hung over I was we had a party the night before and I went out to the garbage can and I kind of heard like some rustling in the garbage can but I didn't really think anything of it and I like lifted up the thing and then I heard some rustling again so I reached over and I put my head down inside and the skunk just turned and got me right in the face now I held my breath I held my breath and I closed my eyes at the last second and it went right through me it penetrated my
molecules it was so powerful that it was paralyzing absolutely paralyzing can you imagine just a smell that's that's that's their way of defense is just the stench that's just goes through your goes through your body like just paralyzes you that's crazy it's really anyway it you got it in the mug huh I got it right in the face wow how long did it take before you didn't stink cuz you smell like how long that wait it was several weeks yeah and I tried the I tried the tomato and I tried the baking soda and I I think they have special soap now for just for skunks but when my dog got zapped she got zapped in like 1980 I think it was 1980 because I was living in Jamaica plane and she went out in the backyard and I think she thought that it was our cat cuz we had a cat that was black and white and she just ran right up to that skunk and it took her right right in the side of her body like she tried to turn away but it got her all over her body she was wet with skunk spay oh God it was so nasty I had to take her inside and I had to do it cuz she was my dog though I was 13 I had to like cover her with tomato juice and wash her down and she's still stunk the whole house stunk that's so funny because I was getting ready for a road trip this a couple years ago and uh and I I looked over and I was like did we did we walk duke it was like 9:00 at night we were exhausted we packed everything up we had the car ready to go for the next morning it's like did we walk Duke you walk Duke take Duke our dog so we I was like ah it's nine o'clock I just let him outside and I hear him like and then he goes and I thought oh my God I just got eaten somebody he just ate him I was like oh my gosh I ran out there look for him and he comes running in he jumps in bed covered in scun the whole house like it was so so strong it's unbelievable that smell is just like it's so incredible and the way someone explained this to me you know like animals like blood hounds and bears they have an insane sense of smell oh God like 100,00 times stronger than ours right but they can pick up parts per million the way we pick up skunk really oh my God so think about that so if a skunk gets hit by a car like a mile away
you can smell it have you ever driven your car I don't know if it's a mile I could drive over it and then my car smells like it yeah if you're in the but if you're in the neighborhood where a skunk got something you could smell it yeah for some strange reason it permeates it like it carries more than any other smell with dogs that's how they smell everything they're like oh Ros goes home you know like they can smell things that you can't even imagine they could smell especially like a blood hound and then a bear can smell like what is a bear's like ability to smell above a blood hound it's some something something crazy my friend was uh sharks in the in the ocean can sense blood for miles away right miles miles insane miles away they could smell blood miles away God something I I remember look at this 300 times look at this this is crazy bears are s the best sense of smell of any animal on Earth for example average dog sense of smell is 100 times better than a hum a blood hound is 300 times better a bear sense of smell is seven times than a blood hounds or 2,100 times better than a humans unbelievable that's why they say when you go camping put your food up in a tree or something right oh 100% you have to yeah you can't have the tent at all oh when I was a kid we went camping and the the bear broke open or cooler wow yeah people just had regular coolers back you have like a little cookie in your pocket and be in bed and been your T you're going to have you're going to have an issue oh 100% yeah wow 100% I remember when I was a kid I went camping and they were like don't have any food I was like yeah whatever like that no no no put that stuff and they were really Adam I was like why are these guys making such a funk the Bear's not going to smell a cookie in my pocket like of course they will they'll they'll look at that like a wanton like look at that soft outer layer and there's meat inside of it they're going to look at that tent like look gets trapped in there go the meat is trapped in the tent this is crazy go what was that one movie called where they got the the the Grizzly Man or something yeah Grizzly Man that's and they came and got him remember they he thought he became one with the Grizzlies and then he got eaten that's a very complicated movie um that's a wner
Herzog film yeah wner Herzog yes it's a really funny the camera was rolling and they played sort of the camera was rolling But the lens cap was on so there was an audio so it's just audio that's even worse the audio by the way folks the audio you hear on the internet that's fake oh it that's not the real one the real audio wner hog told the lady to destroy it destroy no one should hear this so he heard it yeah he heard it it's long you know because Bears don't kill you they eat you you know like a salmon they don't kill salmon they just put their paw down and start pulling chunks off of it that's what they do with people too that's terrifying well they don't have any Predators so uh they don't have to kill things and then you know worry about someone taking it from them you're not taking [ __ ] from a bear terrifying especially a grizzly bear you're not taking [ __ ] from a bear unless you're a bigger bear so like all the other animals have to worry like Mountain lines kill quick because wolves will steal from Mountain lines and apparently in the areas where wolves have been introduced it's actually become a problem because mountain lions are killing much more than they normally do because mountain lions will kill like a deer two deer a week something like that and eat they eat two deer a week that's a lot of meat well they're big you know a big mountain line is you know 150 lbs and they're they're it's a big cat their cats are just they're obligate predator all they eat is meat you know Bears will eat a little berries they'll eat a bunch of [ __ ] not cats so the cats are uh killing more because the Wolves scare the cats off of the kill so if the cat's on a kill and a bunch of wolves show up the cat will just get the [ __ ] out of there like [ __ ] this why cuz he feels didn't want to defend himself against the Wolves exactly cuz wolves hunting packs so there might be 13 14 wolves and one cat the cat will just get the [ __ ] out of there cats run from dogs right like they have a fear of like canines and I think from wolves stealing their food so like that's how they hunt cats the way they hunt them you have to tree them because otherwise you're not going to find if you find a mountain line by tree them you have to get the the dogs to bark them up a tree so they run up a
tree and then they shoot them when they're in a tree yeah and they it sounds cruel but listen they have to do that to manage the populations if they don't they start eating dogs they start that's what you get in San Francisco California still kills Mountain lines they'll they kill as many mountain lines as they would if they gave tags out to people to kill them because you have to kill certain numbers of them for depredation because they'll start killing livestock they start killing dogs in the Bay Area they the the problem cats that they W up killing in like San Francisco half their diet was pets really half their diet half their diet was house cats cats dogs and cats that's half their diet half of their diet so you manage you know a 100 plus pound cat and he's running around just eating dogs you leave your dog in your backyard gone happens all the time wow it happened to my dog really yeah my dog in Colorado got eaten by Mountain line that happens all oh God I feel so bad for my little guy terrible not there to protect my little fell you know one time I was I was hiking up this mountain and I had my son with me at the time and he was in that little pouch you know that little pouch that you put him in the front like he was like probably like maybe two two and a half and was hiking this mountain pretty daily it's funny actually cuz when I went up there without him I was like well this is why people hike with weights on this feels amazing I could run up this mountain but anyway I was going to the mountain and I had my dog my little little Duke and I had my my son I'm walking up this mountain and uh I come around this like go to left it's it's a pretty exposed not too many trees some bushes and it's a hot sunny day and I see this leg of a deer like just fresh kill with blood on the ground I was like God damn what the hell's the hell looked a wow that's fresh I was like huh I kind of keep going and come around the corner and there's a long straightaway the hill goes up like this and I see what looks like a big like Greyhound dog kind of like brown like brown kind of walking kind of back and forth like this with a tail and I was like man who the hell's Greyhound is doing out of here like what the hell is that's a mountain line I was like holy [ __ ] and the mountain line
turns around and looked at me and I had my kid I was like [ __ ] I so I grabbed my dog and I turned around and I started running and I knew that I shouldn't be running so I'm running going I shouldn't be running I shouldn't be running I know I shouldn't be running but I wanted to get around the corner and get it out of its light sign of light line of sight and then I go I go well if he comes up on me I'm GNA have to throw my dog I was like I look at Duke and I if it comes down to it Duke you're going to have to take one for the team oh my God a horrible Choice a horrible choice but I had son but I remember looking at and I was like looking at my dog going oh man this is a horrible decision I have to make but if it comes down to it I'm going to have to sacrifice you buddy I love you you know but it didn't come down to it but I remember running going you're an idiot James why are you running you're not supposed to be running you can't run well that's the problem with mountain bikers they get Gau because when they pass by a cat it's almost like rolling a ball of yarn past a kitten oh they are predators and they will they'll catch bikes huh oh yeah they get people on bikes yeah yeah that's happened a few times they get people on bikes they get joggers people on bikes they think you're running away from them could you imagine what it was like to to be running for your life having something like that chase you yeah I can I mean it hasn't happened to me but I've seen them I've seen three of them in my lifetime only one of them that scared the [ __ ] out of me I saw one in Colorado I saw one in uh Montesito uh like the Santa Barber area it was small those are small ones they were like 50 60 lbs and then I saw one with a buddy of mine my friend and I we spotted one under a tree that was 30 yards away and we were in a truck and it made me [ __ ] my pants wow big this one was really big this was a mature male with a big pumpkin head and huge forearms like a [ __ ] bodybuilder it was freaky it was freaky to see because you know it was first of all it was dusk so the the sun was going down and the lights of the truck even though it wasn't quite Dark Yet the lights of the truck were making his eyes glow oh my God you can see him with the naked eye but then I put my binoculars on and
so I've got these 10 power binoculars and I'm zoomed in on this thing's face I'm like holy looks like he belongs in Africa well he belonged right where he was man we didn't belong there hey let me tell you a really cool story that's a UFO the best UFO picture I think's ever taken do you have it can I look at it or you tease me no no no we're going to look for it uh okay so can can you find the program trailer on on here at all or yeah for sure all right find the program trailer I'm going to tell you about this is this the trailer let's just watch the trailer let's watch a story exposing a secret government program investigating UFOs that story was kind of a catalyst for a lot of things that have happened since members of Congress started to ask questions instruments report there is something there there are flight characteristics that we can't explain uaps are unexplained it's true they need to be investigated here we are having a hearing with where just a few years ago we didn't even acknowledge that these things were real do you believe that our government is in possession of uaps absolutely based on interviewing over 40 Witnesses over four years you're telling me people have come forward claiming firsthand knowledge of craft of non-human origin that's correct we have sources who have asserted not only that there have been crashes but there have been crash retrievals do we have the bodies of the p who piloted this craft biologics came with some of these recoveries yeah were they human or non-human nonhuman I'm sitting here today because the American people are being lied to we are the American government and we are open and we're going to be open about this what has been revealed non-human intelligence exists non-human intelligence has been interacting with humanity is only part of the story the pressure on Pentagon the CIA are going to have to answer the mail some are risking everything have you had incidences that have caused you to be in fear for your life yes personally to uncover the rest what is being done to verify the assertion that the US government has spaceships of non-human intelligence in their possession that kind of Revelation unearths people's
beliefs I would go to jail to say things that I've been exposed to in the program bro is that MC Jagger was that other guy MC Jagger isn't he amazing that's Hal put off Hal put off oh yeah know jagg doesn't look like mcjagger that's Gary McKinnon he's the biggest computer hacker in history let me see what he looks like he almost went to jail for life because he was like I'm going to find out what the government knows about UFOs so he hacked into the systems NSA CIA Dia like uh where is he yeah the oh you want to see that really cool picture the no in the the film yeah you go towards the end yeah totally looks like that's really funny you should say that because I totally I saw it I'm like wait a minute that does look like a rock star he is a rockstar in the UFO Community it's coming up you'll have to you'll have to pause it quickly when it when it hits but Gary McKinnon took it upon himself a computer hacker to find out if the government had proof of alien visitation and he spent a couple years hacking systems and he found and he got paid dirt there is that was it bro that's that's MC Jagger do look like it does look like mger MC Jagger's in the UFOs you should just like only show that clip you know like they do in horror movies where the mask is not that good it's real quick yeah but so well I was going to tell you there's a photograph of a jet circulating can can I can I go into a little bit of detail cuz everyone's always worried about like where's the good evidence where's the good photograph show photograph again so it's uh yeah there we go now this was a lost photograph that was recovered correct yeah yeah you know yeah I know about this okay so I heard about this in the late 90s tell everybody about it okay so there was a guy Nick Pope who investigated was part of the UFO desk at the ministry of Defense of England in the late 90s mid to late 90s maybe as late as early 2000s but in any case and I was in I was interviewing him for a number of my films I did a film called out of the blue I know what I saw um before I did the phenomenon and I uh I asked him like hey man you were a part of the UFO desk at the mod what was the best case you ever saw and he goes oh man 1990 he didn't give me this the the
town it was calvine but he said Scotland there were two poachers they called them hikers but they were actually poaching and just what made me think about this when we were talking about animals earlier and he said uh it was it was late in the afternoon they were in a place I now know it's called calvine and uh they came up uh in this relatively remote area I know because I hiked out to the exact spot and it's in the movie but and They Came Upon This diamond shaped or disc-shaped object that was quite large that was hovering silently really close I mean close and they were scared to death and they were kind of Hiding Out Underneath this tree and they're looking at this thing what the are we looking at and I was looking at this thing as it silently hovering remember this is 1990 okay and one of them had a camera and just as he was considering taking his camera out a military jet came in turns out it was one of those uh Harrier jet they think it was a Harrier jet and it came out into the scene and it flew all the way around the disc and as it did so the guy mustered up the courage came out from under the tree and he snapped five or six photographs of this object suspended in the air and it went so the disc is here and the plane is flying around it's click click click click click click and the reason why I know this is because the individual who kept one of the prins thank you very much Craig Lindsay RAF press officer and thank you David Clark for uncovering this because it's the most amazing picture ever and the two hotel workers in just outside the town of calvine Scotland came back and they were like telling their co-workers oh my God we encountered this thing we don't know what it was so they go to the local newspaper and they were like hey man we just filmed something in the sky we got got six prints of it they it was it was it was 35mm film footage right and uh and they're going to go public with their story two witnesses broad daylight a UFO points of reference with a military jet flying around five or six prints that's pretty solid evidence right so uh the local newspaper was like uh they're about to go public with it print print the story and they were like well we need a statement from the RAF so
they contact the Press officer Lindsay and they were like hey what do you make of this UFO these guys took and the guy and Craig Lindsay goes I don't know what you're talking about I I haven't seen the picture you haven't seen it well let me send you a print this is the new the newspaper sends him a print big big print like this the one you see today and uh he's like holy [ __ ] the hell is this he's R of press officer Craig Lindsay and he's so he starts getting in touch with the mod and he goes out and he investigate this go talk to the witness talked to the witnesses and they were telling him and he goes well they tell them what happened and he goes well what kind of noise did it make they say it didn't make any noise no he goes no noise that's impossible you know an object that can hover like that in the sky for that period of time we're talking 34 years ago didn't make any noise and uh the witness said no so he was like holy sh this is crazy so he takes a color xeroxing machine and he sends it to the mod in London and he says uh hey there's a case that you might want to check you know you might want to look into and here's a Xerox which is really crappy it's just a it's just a scanned Xerox like a fax machine over to mod he said he went from the office where the Xerox machine was and before he can get back to his office his phone was ringing off the hook mod and the mod basically stepped in took over the the investigation they said you can step down to Craig Lindsay he steps down he keeps the print right he steps down they take over witness is gone five or six prints gone story killed right so 30 and we rumored about it because Nick Popa talked about this case in a book he wrote called uh open Skies closed minds and then I talked to him about it in late late 90s then I talked to him about it again in the early 2000s and I was like Nick especially in 2007 I was like tell me about this Photograph and he's like oh it was incredible we had a big poster of it on the wall the mod and I was like well where is it he goes well I don't know I stepped down I'm no longer at the at the UFO desk and I said well they didn't just throw that away why don't you get in touch with the people that were there and find out he's like oh you know James I can't just make those inquiries they we we killed the
story it was like you know so I was incredibly frustrated so so discreetly for over a 20-year period I was making inquiries because I don't like letting things go right I was like this picture exists and bloody hell let's get this one out there but the story went dark so David Clark found Craig Lindsay and the way he found Craig Lindsay the guy that kept one of the prints is that he got a he got a a a a Declassified government document out of the mod's office that had redactions on it and one of the things it said was n it was 1990 and they said uh RAF press officer in Scotland blacked out you know said that blah blah blah blah blah and he's like huh who was the RAF press officer in 1990 in Scotland Craig Lindsay boom contacts great Lindsay they started communication going and then after like much for redaction yeah so much for redactions right and so this whole dialogue starts going there's you know developing a and and then um he goes well gosh I I might I guess I might have one it turns out he he ended up keeping one of those prints which he had and that story broke probably two years ago David Clark again I can't thank you enough you deserve accolades for this and so I flew to England I met with David Clark and his crew the people that did the analysis work then I went up to Scotland I met with Craig Lindsay the r press officer gave me the first and only on camera interview about it what astonished him about it the analysis work they did on it what the witnesses said but we didn't have the witnesses the people that took the photograph we didn't have them but I was going to report on this anyway just because wow this is the picture that we've all been waiting for this picture is phenomenal but if you don't have Providence and you don't have the background story on it it could be AI it could be right could be a hoax some people call it a reflection not a reflection not a hoax so I'm ending production of the program and I get a text from David Clark and he goes something Big's about to happen and I said what he goes just sit tight I can't go public right now but something Big's going to happen there's there's a new development and this is just teases well I'm coming out with it I promise but he teased you he did tease me he did tease me but I was like well I'm almost
done with the movie and if this is something I can include in the movie about the case please let me know so long story short this guy Richard Greaves who was one of the hotel Cooks worked in the kitchen with the photographers with the two witnesses that took the photograph and Richard Greaves uh came forward on print But I contacted David Clark I was like Hey can this can I can you get me an interview with this guy so uh he kept putting it off putting it off putting it off and then finally I was like I didn't want to be I wanted to be persistent but I didn't want to annoy the guy to the point where he's going like hey you know what [ __ ] you like right you're you're being annoying you know but I I got it right up to that point right when I was like I was rapping the movie the movie's done and I want to get this movie out all the people that participated wanted it out and then I finally sent him one final text and I was like look I'm really sorry to Pastor you and I know you're probably really busy and I really appreciate the fact that you even said that you'll meet with me but that you'll give me an interview and then probably about 10 o'clock that night I'm in the edit room buttoning the film up and all of a sudden I get a phone call and he's like I've just come out the pub I'm ready to go I was like okay grab a camera roll it let's record this and he reveals that he knew the the witnesses he worked with them in the kitchen he gave all the specifics he provided their names and then he said that two or three nights after two or three nights four nights after they took that photograph they were all in a cigarette break at the hotel early evening pissing rain he said a car rolled up there were three guys in it a driver and two men in suits in the back they roll up they come out they say cigarette breaks over they pull the two witnesses aside and they Grill him and you got to hear it directly from the horses M Richard greeves said that when they were all the people that were not involved with the incident were told to go back inside the hotel which they did but they looked through the window and they saw in the pissing rain he said they were out there for 10 or 15 minutes in the pissing rain and that these guys uh they came back inside and they were
white as a he said he he he literally goes um they uh they came back inside they were white is a [ __ ] ghost and uh which we all get a good laugh out of but uh and then they started drinking heavily and within a couple of weeks they vanished Without a Trace and they've been gone ever since so we report on this and yeah that's a that's a replic that's a replica I it's way too clear I was like is this that's a replica from uh Nick Pope that he did it for some series talking about it and that was before the real photograph was found and print let's see the real photograph yeah show the real photograph again I got it in there it is yep okay so what was he doing show the fake one one more time yeah that's was a recreation before it leaked out so was he just recreating what he remembered yes can me see the real one again it's pretty damn good isn't it that he remembered not bad not bad missed the barb wire fence but not mad put in a bunch of [ __ ] background I went to the exact location that [ __ ] he put in there put in beautiful Hills I know and and that fence is still there there was a go back to the r yeah that fence is still there I took an actual I took a mo so what is that jet in the background Harrier jum a Harrier jet is what I'm told they're 99% sure and was that Harrier jet trying to figure out what this was well it like I said in the other prints according to to uh Craig Lindsay the RAF press officer he said the other six prints or five prints had that Harrier jet in a different position so he said it was if the Harrier jet flew around checking that out now where are those other prints we have a other mod just they were gone they they killed the story I mean the guy at the mod who worked there Nick Pope told me that they they did everything they could to squash it because don't you think they probably have it filed away somewhere they do of course they didn't throw those pictures away they you zoom in on this Jam please yeah that's a really crap copy you're looking at a really bad prank can you zoom I've got a much better that's as much as I get I've got a much better version of it on you got it on your phone I do text it to a homie this um this image is um it's weird yeah it's a because it's uh it's hard to see what
you're looking at you know it's uh yeah well let me show you a much better copy of it hang on let me just scroll up here because I've got a really good I got the original print um of this copy but you know people talk about you know the more compelling data and the lengths so this is this is the photograph that I took at the site you can get an idea of that okay see how what it looks like right how similar right exactly the same yep and then here is here's the here's the print and I could take a I could text that to you guys if you want yeah text that to me I'll text it to I'll text it to you guys both of them send both of them this is it's very interesting very interesting case I mean it's again I think it's one of the best photographic cases cuz you're not dealing with just a UFO you've got a military jet in the background and if you have a date and a location guess what that Pilot's still out there that pilot can probably got it on radar and probably got gun cam foot he still alive if well he would have been probably young right Pilots are young he would have been his 30s or maybe early 40s and that was 34 years ago so chances are he's still alive they're pretty fit right yeah maybe he's in the okay I'm going to I'm going to text this to you right now here we go boom you should have that did I get you all did I get all of them to you and here is a picture of Craig Lindsay this is great you're going to love this uh okay this is this is the guy that kept it I didn't get it yet you didn't no wonder if it's because I have my phone on airplane mode yeah take it off airplane mode bro I told you to do that oh you did I was trying to explain to you it's off now I'm sorry otherwise it won't actually send it oh it won't okay all right here we go here we go all right it's like dealing with my dad I know I'm so bad I know you were telling me how to do it I was like I haven't done that before it's funny people that don't understand how to use their phon tell me if that goes through okay I'm waiting on still okay great great shot you need me to send it here you do it here there's that one and there's flip left to right on it but you know it just goes to show the
lengths that the Intel Community the ministry of Defense the dod go to hide the more compelling photographic data because it's so easy to complain like oh well if they were real there would be good well there are some really good PRS you got Joe Exotic in your phone I God you guys are looking at other stuff I found drones that you can I don't know that they're commercially available you get all the ones you wanted but you can have a drone up for 24 plus hours that didn't send it to me either are you serious yeah weird am I sending to the wrong telephone number let me let me see your the number you have you might have my own well I have it I definitely have it on Signal here you do it here [ __ ] it you take over you drive let me see CU I'm clearly failing at this one I'm just going to check to see what what I sent it to cuz I I changed my number cuz people get weird oh I can totally imagine that would be the case separate I found some drones that this these companies say that you can take off anywhere they're showing them taking off from like small Platforms in the ocean they can stay up in the air for 14 plus hours they're small and they do have propellers I will say that but yeah and like I said I you know it's not the question is are are all these drones uh you know explainable by aliens and the question OB the answer obviously is no the question is are any of these Bonafide UAP and there's definitely some evidence to suggest that's the case but again there's always misidentification of more conventional stuff right right and there's always uh and then there's a stubborn core percent like I give you an example this is something that I've discussed a little bit recently did you find it okay yes okay good finally we got that that Enigma worked out yeah it's just your 5G is very slow oh really yeah you using AT&T what are you us oh I using Verizon Verizon I use Verizon too really yeah it's just real slow do I have do I have a Whatchamacallit on actually accidentally sent myself these other ones of the guy holding it up too oh cool yeah that's cool that's that's Craig Lindsay so um I'll send this to you Jamie so let me tell you a little uh a little story that's pretty cool uh which I never thought that this would happen I um um there's a guy Kirk McConnell who Senate armed service
committee and he participated the very last minute in my in my film he's in the trailer and he in an official capacity with high level clearance he had been investigating UFOs ever since the New York Times article in 2017 so he was behind the scenes 2017 2018 tailing of 2017 2018 2019 2020 2021 22 23 24 and then he stepped down and he came um through some Intel folks we got in touch and I said hey man my film's almost done if you want I could squeeze in one final interview he decided to participate up he went we became friends we've been talking and he said hey uh I could probably arrange a meeting because there's some mutual interest in some UFO cases and evidence that I've been going after as a civilian but he goes hey on the inside if you want I can cook you up with it with the heads of Arrow the new heads of Arrow John Koslowski and this other guy Ryan who was Air Force office special investigations this just a couple weeks ago so I went to the Congressional hearings which was incredible and people say oh it's a big nothing Burger but you know what it was very exciting seeing people testify under roath there's a there's a crash reval program seeing an a rear Admiral Tim G gadet saying that they're under the water I mean it's pretty fascinating stuff yeah so um I had to I had to apply for a a security background on me which was about 48 hours and then I got approval for that and then I showed up at a wing across the street from the Pentagon and I had to go through the metal detector and then there are these kind of exciting for me because I had never had this kind of experience before there was these glass tube type things they were lined up like in a row and I only one person can go in at a time the doors open just like in Star Trek and you walk in and that door closes and another one opens you go to the other side then I had to get rid of my phone and everything and leave it outside and then go into a skiff which is a sensitive compartmented uh information facility skiff is all super top secret whatever and uh and I got to meet with the new head of Arrow John Koslowski and I was like I can't believe I'm in the belly of the Beast this is crazy like I'm how how could I I'm a civilian I don't I don't belong here but we started talking just very nonchalantly you know
I said hey um you guys got to throw us a bone I said you know we're not going away the story is not going away and I said you and you know what we're ultimately dealing with I mean obviously the vast majority of UAP or UFOs can be and have been explained away in down toe conventional terms right but there's a stubborn core 15 20% that really defy conventional explanation not because of the lack of data because they truly can't explain what these things do and you know well you've had many people on these objects exhibited technology that's just light years advance from anything that we have I mean this is and it's been well documented since the 19 40s and possibly some people would say way before that but modern day UFO wave no question so there's two you know two stories one is someone's been in possession of this revolutionary technology for 85 plus years and kept it secret or two we're not alone right right nhi so I said I said to the gentleman very candidly you know we're probably dealing with a small percentage of of nhi and what's the plan to tell the general public and this is just a couple weeks ago and he looked at me and he goes James I can't part my hair without approval from the dod and you can quote me on that and that was him in my opinion telling me hey this is structured in a way that's that I'm my hands are tied I can I can uncover all the things in the world but I can't tell the general public or even Congress without the dod approving it first yeah so that's what's kind of happening right now and one of the reasons why we were so fortunate to get the number of of I say whistleblowers or potential whle blowers or people to come forward in the program is because they were super frustrated with the previous head of head of era which is this guy named Sean katrick which basically just kind of blanket you know denied pretty much almost almost everything and people were extremely disappointed with that but just like Blue Book yeah kind of like Blue Book yeah they've always done that right yeah but but again it brings not everybody's doing it not everybody's doing it right there's a bunch of well I think now also with the internet there's there's ways to get information out that's much quicker and clean
no question then trusting a reporter you know and then your life's in danger and the reporter gets threatened and yeah yeah now things just kind of get out so so well I've thought about this like you know I'm going back to Brazil and I thought you know I'm obviously going after you know additional eyewitness testimony I'm going after to the photographic stuff and those of you out there that are like tired of hearing about it well I spent 20 plus years in search of the photograph that I featured just now that one with the background story on it Providence that sort of thing go look at the one that I sent you it's a better version of it yeah and and so I it's not like I just because you you know you can't after a year or two haven't successfully obtained stuff so this is a better version yeah it's a better version that you could see the granular of the film footage weird it's almost looks like there's something in the back it does look a little bit like that a little propeller or something like a Jetson's type but but let's just say that thing was silent supposedly silent according to the witnesses it didn't make any sound it hovered there for an extended period of time and when it took off it took off straight vertical like this straight up fast uh it started going fast faster faster faster and then was gone yep that was that was Craig lesie who interviewed the witnesses who told me that and it's so weird though according to Richard Greaves in Scotland the Americans got involved of course we get involved in everything yep they showed up and they intimidated the [ __ ] out of the witnesses and I I know people can criticize me for reporting on these alleged Men In Black but it's not me saying it it's the witnesses that are saying it and I did it full bore For the First Time full boore for the first time in moment of contact because I remember hearing these stories for decades and I finally was like everyone's going to think I'm crazy if I report on this but this lady who was the mother of the two daughters that saw that had these visits and the intimidation and I was like screw it I'm just going to report on this and I'll just take the criticism you know and then I wasn't expecting this for the to be the case with this
Photograph but lo and behold it was but um anyway uh it's it's a huge story it in my opinion they can't put the genie back in the bottle it's coming out and it's drip drip drip but I have to remind your audience people that are feeling impatient that we've had three open Congressional hearings in the last three years yeah it's we hadn't had any in over 50 years prior to that it's definitely even though it's still difficult to get information and figure out what's actually going on there's way more open mainstream discussion of it way more and and it's frustrating at times I get it you know people are like oh well why all these people why can't they just like why can't David grush just tell us you know well I can remind people that the dod has stripped David grush of his clearances and won't allow him to get into a ski this is one of the things that I I talked to this guy Brian Benner appears in the movie at Politico and he goes he goes if Congress finds out about it one thing we know on the hill is that you're going to find out about it they they can't keep a secret it's going to leak so they've been doing everything they can I'm imagine as a DOD to prevent grush from going into a skip with members of Congress to release and R the classified details necessary to verify his claims okay have You' been keeping this under wraps for 60 plus years or whatever they've been doing yeah would you really tell AOC would you really pull her aside and tell her well I mean any members of congress with the proper clearances and feel like they want to have that information I mean you got not nothing wrong with her I'm not saying her I'm just saying pick a young one you going to give them all that information you exactly they don't want them to have that information there's no question about it I mean I would that that's what I would imagine that's probably why they won't let grush get into his gim so here's another thing I'd like to mention is that David grush claims that he gave even a street address to the icig which is Thomas monheim that's the intelligence Community Inspector General so I'm asking members of Congress to support all the efforts you know brette who's been amazing regardless of what your politics the guy's phenomenon he's been really pushing for transparency super
solid guy you got mace you got mus muscowy what's his from from Florida uh Garcia from California um AOC New York um Luna and uh then of course you got the Senate side you got Rubio I totally knows where this stuff is uh rounds Schumer um and if you look at the ndaa you can see the language in plain sight I mean it's it's it's phenomenal what's going on and I and I I think that our elected officials that are really pushing for transparency need to hear from us need to hear from the citizens and know that we support their efforts and that we have their backs and and continuing to to push for transparency to push to find out what the hell's going on I mean imagine if it's true imagine if we have spaceships and we have biologics Bodies Okay MH that is not just implications for the United States that's Global implications I mean the impacts the ripple effect that would have around the world for that confirmation to happen no doubt would be huge well the human race deserves to know it it shouldn't be uh unelected officials and defense department people that know about this stuff that's crazy I totally agree unless unless this is what I I had a conversation with Ryan Graves yesterday the way I would argue it if I was a military person I would say this is a national security interest and we are trying to back engineer this stuff we're not successful if China steals our data if Russia can back engineer one before if Iran gets one before us we're [ __ ] because these things are are insanely sophisticated we would obviously weaponize the technology that's obvious course du it's like 101 right we not the basics I mean if you could put a nuke on one of those things I mean the exhibited technology that people say people that have witnessed this stuff say it goes from a stand to add a sight in the blink of an eye I mean these objects what was it uh David fraver said it it went from space 50,000 fet above sea level to to sea level in one second in one second yeah that's insane we talked about it yesterday like it's insane amount of speed and um the way Ryan explained it in terms of like the amount of force you would need is equivalent to how many nuclear bombs did he
say something insane like the entire nuclear Arsenal has to be to generate that kind of power whatever it is it's if if these stories are true it's doing something that we don't understand so if it's ours I kind of get why they wouldn't want to Spill the Beans my thought once was what if this is not weaponize with our current technology like what if these our these things are our drones but they don't know how to put a weapon on it yet like because whatever you do I have a problem a speed I have a problem with that theory and the problem I have is that the United States government has documented Close Encounters of the Third Kind that's a be connected that's their own files right that's not me saying it so it's not just these objects exhibiting revolutionary technology for at least 80 years right no wings no tail no visible means of propulsion ability to hover accelerate out of sight the blink of an eye right angle turns at high speed no wake no sonic boom that kind of stuff but you also have reports credible reports of beans connected to some of the craft and that's documented all around the world so that eliminates right if it's true so but this is the whole thing like just because something's written down somewhere doesn't mean that someone didn't write it down as a scop someone didn't write it down to discredit other people with a ridiculous Story one way to discredit a credible story is to attach it to a bunch of ridiculous stories right so if I was going to hide some sort of Technology one thing I would do is connect it to a bunch of kooky stuff a bunch of psychic stuff and remote viewing just a bunch of things that people like very easily dismiss UFO abductions UFO encounters encounters with an actual being right but put a bunch of stuff in there that like makes people go what is this real and just enough just enough so that you can hide the real stuff in there well I think and again I'm not I'm playing devil I to and I and again I I've said this earlier on the show and I'll say it again is like the reason why I believe David grush who testified not just because I believe David but David doesn't have firsthand experience he talked about but the reason I know I know but the reason why I believe him is because aligns with my
research in the field and remember I spent over 12 years investigating on and off with my buddy Marco Le in in in Virginia Brazil uh that UFO crash case and only found out the last minute the last time I was there that the Americans were involved so I was like oh my God the rumors are are true like you know the Americans really are do you see like I obviously looked into Roswell for years I went to Roswell the 50th Anniversary this is how the deal Works bro you want the aid we get the UFOs we give the aid but if a crash UF you [ __ ] call us stay out of there don't be carrying that dude to the hospital leave it to us and then we'll just scoop that up and shut the [ __ ] up what do you think about that the the one of the craziest stories is that there's a building somewhere that's an enormous building that was actually around the UFO cuz the UFO was too big to move have you heard this story it was reported on new news Nation with Ross cart it's got to be real and I well Ross cold heart is incredible he's got an ACC pretty he's got a great accent he's got an australi ACC not quite British we believe you ACC but but it's close you're more cred New York ACC there something about a British accent that just adds credibility to anything it was some guy from New York so we got this [ __ ] car sorry put absolutely huge this spaceship so [ __ ] big we got to build a building around it but but they they talked about it now here's what is this building and where is it supposed to be I I don't know oh you're holding them back no no I have a little bit but I don't have the same connections on that but but I'll tell you a case that I do think needs to get looked into oh you you're going to you're going to move us around away from this because well this is no but this is a craft a recover a government agent this guy trying to so uh there's a there's a memo in the program that was through the Doster process was released unfortunately some of the names are redacted Christopher melon obtained it it was from correspondence you have with a high level government official uh back in 2020 it just got uh approved for release I don't know maybe a year ago It's featured in the in the in the dock and in it it has the names of not just the
gatekeeper but other people that names who found the gatekeeper to the crash tal program uh I'm told that unredacted versions of that have been handed to select members of Congress and people that are investiga in official capacity for the government but in it they specifically mention a case not crash a landed case that happened in 195 53 at cman Arizona so I made some inquiries with Aerospace folks that I've been meeting with quietly and I'm like what's this case that you guys keep talking about with the cman Arizona they're like oh it was like uh they just landed and left I was like well how do you know they land what do you mean landed and left and they're like well the doors were open and nobody home and they walked off I said you mean somebody just flew this thing down it landed on the ground in the desert in cman Arizona in 1953 and they left the doors open and laugh and they're like yep that's pretty much what happened so so they left the craft there somebody just they flew it down and left a craft on the ground I was told that and I I wouldn't be repeating this if I didn't think there was some serious credibility to it but apparently it was and well doesn't that align with how Diana Pula and Gary Nolan have started describing these things as donations well the individual that I talked to was so funny because this individual was like not a scratch and I grew up not a scr what not a SC not a scratch not a scratch on the no it it was perfect didn't have a scratch I was like oh my gosh this sounds like somebody who's more than just heard about this but they one of the aspects of it didn't have a scratch on it so I think that's that's a case that I think that people should definitely firstand witness said it didn't have a scratch I don't know if it was the way they describe this is the problem this is the problem I have with all this stuff but here's the thing if you were Travis Walton yes okay love that guy I love that guy too fascinating story I really enjoy there's we got a bobblehead that's a Travis Walton bobblehead oh no way yes I got it from Travis that's him staring at this guy oh my gosh when he was a young man I went to the location at a remote that is I'm interested in that because that's a firsthand witness yes
right that's a guy he's explaining his bizarre experience he's told the same story no question for whatever 50 60 years whatever the hell it's been 1975 whatever it was since he got abducted 50 almost 50 years so this guy was there that was his story that I'm interested in that when I hear a guy told a guy that this is what happened and this is how he described it I'm like super frust so talking to Jay Sands Yes firstand again firstand was like what the [ __ ] are you saying face to face tell me what it was doing what did it look like yeah he said he thought it was an adolescent too he didn't think that it was a full- grown one he thought it was young well he's got an illustration of it in the documentary and I tell you it's it's one of the C I remember after I know I was like if this is true I was like this is crazy face to face I said that person this is something that we didn't reveal in the documentary was really funny he thought that this individual was suffering from a frostbite or um what's that when you get really cold hypothermia hypothermia yeah skin had a blue tint to it so he was take he took his jacket off and he very insistently put the jacket on this individual cuz he was thinking this person's really really cold it's been out in the desert probably had a plane crash or what whatever and so he's putting his and the person was kind of resistant but Jason S said I insisted I took one layer of my jacket and I put around this individual and that individual left with the jacket on so we jokingly I jokingly say where do you think your jacket is now he's like probably out there at help satario God only knows or right here yeah yeah or yeah or this is the thing that gets me logistically yes okay if these things are coming from the ocean just logistically you'd have to have a large ship so we we were talking about this with yesterday and I was saying like if they had a battleship we'd be able to see that right like 100% he says so it would have to be a submarine so I'm like Jesus Christ What If there really is some sort of a civilization underwater that that has existed coexisted with us forever did you hear about the uh testimony by rear Admiral Tim galet just recently in Congress is this the one where the
thing's moving underwater 500 knots yes he's reporting explain it to people what he said I don't have all that you can look yeah what I can remember basically is confirming that we have objects that are exhibiting a technology underwater that defies any convectional explanation things that are just virtually impossible like so much faster than the fastest submarine or anything like that just and they're really big yeah it's moving as if there's no resistance underwater moving like a fighter jet wood in the air it's moving like that under water they call it trans medium or something they can do that but there but confirmation I mean that's and I actually spoke to to to rear Admiral Tim gadet um on a couple of occasions recently and I thanked him for coming forward to testifying and he said you know I felt an obligation to do so because a lot of my men the pilots were coming forward and I wanted to back them up and so that's why that's why he stepped forward Andi if you're if you're coming here from somewhere else and you wanted to hide in plain sight you would hide in the ocean especially if you have the technology to like completely negate any of the effects of the the water and the pressure least explored place on Earth yeah we can't get to it we don't have the technology to get they know we don't they know it's really hard to get a submarine out to wherever the [ __ ] they would what's his name went to the bottom of the marijana trench Cameron Cameron by himself I I would never do that he's a wild boy isn't that like 35,000 ft down how far is it something bizarre like that I mean that's those poor F would you go down in a submarine by yourself no definitely not a homemade one like the one of those people died in yeah but that was there was another thing about that case when the people went down on that submarine apparently I guess it's the Navy has some sort of very sophisticated underwater audio sensors and they heard the implosion and they knew about it like immediately and didn't report on it well I mean I think the problem with reporting on it is that you have to report on your technology now uh so I don't even know if this has been confirmed but this is what I had heard methods and means or well it's also it's
got to be top secret like it's got to be one of those things where if you're going to reveal that you heard that you have to have clearance to do it you probably have to run it up the ladder one of the reasons why we know about overhead uh satellite imagery of UAP is because of Ratcliffe who was former head of odni and he came forward and I remember it's funny actually because it was classified and Christopher melon participated in this latest production with me because of Ratcliffe revealing it on Fox news and rat Cliff basically says yeah we have overhead collection satellite data of UAP that are pretty [ __ ] far out and that yeah that that happen so they're talking about this but getting back to your point because I know you said you were frustrated you're like oh yeah it's just another anecdotal piece of evidence a piece of testimony third party not firsthand I'm not saying I'm frustrated no no no I no I what I'm saying is I totally agree with you I'm frustrated as somebody's been chasing the story for 30 years I too want access to the better more compelling data that's why I chased after that photo I just share with you earlier on for as long as I did because I I hear about something I go after it but I want to remind your audience you can't go after something without knowing that it exists so you get the leads you find you start we're learning more about the programs we're learning how these programs are are hidden these woo apps uh they're waved unacknowledged special access programs probably hidden somewhere in the deal I know it sounds crazy but but at least guiding giving some guidance as to where are these things and how these these things are hidden where they might be found we reveal there's a gentleman in the film called uh Navy X and people are like ah it's just another person testifying anonymously well yes true but he gives us specifics on telling members of Congress where to look to find spe specifics J Wix what is it and this is where to find the more compelling data I'm going to read this because it's important that people know that he's saying look I've seen it and this is where it is it's called the official UAP data is kept either in sipper secret Internet Protocol router Network or jwx joint worldwide intelligence
Communication System that's used by the dod and only available in a skiff and a skiff is a sensitive compartmented information facility so is it frustrating to hear that and people criticize oh it's just another person but he's saying I've seen it it's phenomenal he gives descriptions of some of the stuff he saw and he's telling members of Congress if you have the clearances this is where it's being kept so those are very good specific and again I remind you guys like okay just be patient this is not a 100 yard dash we're running a marathon right now to be patient we are I want to get back to what I was talking about earlier logistically logistically if you're letting something go from the ocean yes if you're flying it out of the ocean logistically you would have to have some sort of a large craft out there that's going to house these things or it's going to launch from right if it is actually coming from the ocean oh see the the you're talking about right now right yes so either they are hours and if there are hours how do they hide the fact there's a battleship out there if is that possible and if if it's from a submarine how do they develop a submarine that can launch 50 car size or SUV sized drones from yeah that's one of the things that Christopher melon said to me this morning he goes That's Just that's the one element or aspect that that really is a head scratcher because but this is the question 50 50 of these things coming in off the ocean that's just confirmed right right no one's but here's the question yes is it possible to classify the location of a US Battleship that's capable of having these things so big how could you like what how big would it have to be to launch 50 drones God you're not talk you're talking I don't know man but that's a lot of drones especially the size they're reporting they're talking about drones the size of an SUV right super long let's imagine let's imagine you so when you take a ferry how many cars can a ferry fit on it I take a fery all the time in Vermont New York like a legit one like a European 50 cars I put well the one that's medium legit I put 25 30 maybe 40 25 to 40 yeah more than you think couldn't you do that with drones and couldn't you have something
that's a little larger than the average ferry so you wouldn't need a battleship would they do that why would they do that over residential areas why would they have everybody scratching their heads all these press conferences you're talking about the head of the gang of eight right U but if they if they need to those you're not going to tell the if they are really looking for a nuke okay let's imagine that this story about uh you know a Ukrainian nuke from the time when they they disarmed them there's one that's unaccounted for this is one of those stories that's been on the internet I don't know if it's true yeah that it's unaccounted for and that they think it's headed to the United States if you were trying to find that thing like a dirty bomb yeah or like a a just a regular nuke that if you're looking for gamma rays like that you could devise a drone that could search for that and you'd fly it over an area and you wouldn't care whether people freaked out because it's more important to find this goddamn thing right so if you have this technology it's some Skunk Works techology from space no I don't think so I think you have to be there certain proximity within within to pick up whatever did you bring this up with Ryan Graves yes what did he say I mean he doesn't know either he doesn't think so everybody that I trust the issue people in the FBI people that I'm I I communicate with often I'm like what is going on it almost seems too sexy that the United States has that kind of ability and they're just flying these things around and that they're doing it for that specific reason to find a nuke it's like that we have this kind of Technology that we didn't none of us are aware of that we have these these drones that can shut off when you come close to them the lights shut off they disappear they avoid tracking the RF signal doesn't show up they they're cool there some they have some sort of cooling mechanism in them so it's difficult to see with infrared I don't understand any of that he was saying that's above what we can do right now he's saying but they're not moving in a way necessarily that's not possible with drone technology that is mainstream but some aspects of the way they move and what what they're doing that doesn't them to believe that this is current
state-ofthe-art technology yeah they even even I had some tell people tell me like even if it's conventional it's highly Advanced conventional right but if let's look at China like China has highly Advanced drones yeah their drone they're we were talking about this as well that the bottleneck in America was the AFAA the FAA put a lot of restrictions on the manufacturer of drones and how you can do them what you can do China doesn't have any of that so they're full steam ahead with Innovation if you look at what drone manufacturers in the United States have been able to do and then imagine untethered if they weren't [ __ ] over by all these regulations that got in the way of innovation who because com obviously you have to have one because if you have some commercial drone that someone can buy that can move 500 miles an hour and fly through the air and stay up there for six hours at a time and film video of everything and anything well and you you can't control it you can't block the the radar screen you can't find it with infrared that's pretty nuts so I would imagine that would not be a thing that they would want in the hands of the average American person but why did it just start happening fairly recently when I say this but I'm saying if it's Chinese if it's Chinese if they if they're unburdened by our regulations and that not only do they have the help of the government they have financing behind them they have an imperative they're they're told what to do but they're flying it over Langley they're flying it over wouldn't you do that just to [ __ ] with these people what's what's the golf course that uh Trump has yeah his golf course what's that called Westminster Minister something like that they're flying over that the president-elect so it's Air Force Base did experience incursions of unauthorized unban aerial systems in last year December 2023 says Sabrina Singh Pentagon spokeswoman the number of those uas incursions did fluctuate but they didn't appear to exhibit any hostile intent it's something that we have kept our eye on well thank God you're keeping your eye on it yeah and we have no idea what they are but they they're fine nothing told yesterday this has been happen this is the third year
in a row this has been happening right around Christmas time well that's one of the reason CL one of the reasons why I wanted you guys to hear that account by the guy at Vandenberg Air Force Base this is not an anonymous reporting the guy's giving his name and he's talking about objects that are the size of a football field yeah hovering over a silo launch control area that's also the Phoenix Lights they describe them as size of a football field or larger oh yeah I interviewed a guy there was a case that happened in right here in Texas Stevenville uh Ricky sorl is one of the best Witnesses I love the guy he's a he was a hunter and uh he's like he's like James he's like you could have landed an airplane on this I saidou got to be kidding me he goes no man I goes I stood under this thing he goes it was so big I was standing under it and he had his rifle and he's standing under it and he's looking up and he's looking to the left he's looking to the to the left right back forward can't see the edge of it in any direction so he grabs his hunting rifle cuz he was he was hunting deer this is 2008 grabs his hunting rle please don't tell me shot it no well so he holds his hunting his rifle up and he's looking through the scope and he goes Jan I'm a metal worker I work with metal I know what metal looks like and he's looking through the scope and he goes man there's no rivets there's no seams there's no weld marks he's like there were these on the belly of it there were these reverse like uh recessed uh cones it's like bigger and then they got smaller as it went up into the belly of The Craft he's looking up at it his fingers on the trigger and he's like man I wonder wasn't that hard I go I wonder what happened if I just pulled the trigger here and I bet it would Ricochet off or hit the belly or something so he's looking at it and he's just about to pull the trigger to check it out and he goes hm maybe this isn't such a good idea I interviewed him in 2008 when this was going down and then about a year later I was doing some follow-up interviews for a film I did I know what I saw and I had this gentleman walk up to me and I was filming in in the downtown Square in uh Stevenville or it might have been Dublin and um this gentleman looks at me and he goes you Mr Fox and I was like yes and he pulls out
a badge and he shows me as his badge and uh he's like can I talk to you for a minute I'm I'm officer of so and so and I was like Jesus Christ what the hell did I do and I said yeah sure and we walk off to a cafe and he goes he's looking at he had his back he had his back to the wall and the cafe so he could see everybody coming in he was really paranoid and he said you know Ricky sorl I said yeah he goes that guy's telling the truth I said how do you know he goes cuz the whole Police Department saw it I can't remember if it was Dublin Police Department or Stevenville I think it was Dublin Steven uh police department he goes we we he said we uh we were sitting over patrol cars and this object was like a floating department store I mean it was absolute Colossus colossal like a city took out my radar gun pointed at it and it was doing 22 miles an hour and then he said it drifted off and they one of the officers I don't remember the name of the gentleman took his his gun his sorry his dash cam and he flipped it up and he filmed it and apparently one of the biggest mistakes this individual made this police officer made was that he didn't make a copy of it cuz the local Air Force Base requested that film footage and got it and so I've been telling people to go after that stuff exist but my point is this object was so big people claim the witnesses the firsthand witnesses that you could have landed an airplane on it yeah I mean what is what is that those what happens if you see that that's the thing like if you see that even tell people you sound like a c like if I saw it if I was outside in the desert and I was just chilling and something so big that I couldn't see the edges of it flew overhead I don't know what I'd say he said when it took off it was like this he goes James and Ricky didn't want to give me an on camera interview for the longest time he said I'm not coming forward I'm not going to do it I'm not going public I worked on him for eight months finally I got the green light I flew back out to Texas got him on camera put him in the movie but he said when it took off it went from this a complete standstill and it went straight up like at a slight angle but straight up and gone he goes James I
said describe the acceleration he goes yeah well I'll tell you the the best way I can describe is that had I blinked I would have I would have missed it that's how fast it took off so it went from here like that he had um he had helicopters hovering over his I know this sounds crazy people are going to be like oh this big you but he had helicopters flying over his property for a while right around the time that I was trying to get him to go on camera he came out in his underwear and his shotgun late at night with his helicopter spotlighting him up and he ended up calling the local Air Force pace and said stop flying over my house at night and they said we suggest you stop talking about what you saw and so uh he was kind of spooked and about eight months later he finally he finally decided that he was going to go public with the story but you know everything to lose nothing to gain you get this countless reports of of these cases you know and and they're around the world right it's not just you United States I've demonstrated that time and time again um but there's more of them in the United States than anywhere else right well I mean one of my favorite case Ru Zimbabwe that's an amazing case right but there's more sightings in the United States than anywhere else right seems to be an attraction almost like a a moth to a flame with uh with nukes somehow they're interested in our n nuclear capabilities and and and I I remember interviewing Robert Salis who was a launch control officer who described this whole event at malstrom Air Force Bas in the 60s where these UFOs were witness on the base and then all their minute missiles started getting shut down and I I remember saying to him like well what what uh what's what's your take on that like what kind of you know he goes and I could real I realized why this individual was a launch control officer because he was so measured and so calm and so cool and he goes well James the message I got was kind of clear it's almost like taking matches out of the hand of a baby about the nukes yeah yeah so you know with the phenomenon you look at what they do right and that that says some things they've done some pretty Brazen events right over the around over the decades but you also look at what
they don't do because if the phenomenon wanted to end this like you know secrecy once and for all all they'd have to do is hover over the Macy's day parade or or the next big Super Bowl and game over they don't do that they've done some pretty Brazen things right I mean case in point uh March 13th 97 over the State of Arizona including the governor F Simon witnessed that massive there were a number of UFOs witnessed but that the main one you know was this big Boomerang shaped craft and even the governor said it must have been at least a mile across from wing tip wing tip that floated and I actually interviewed people that worked at Luke Air Force Base at the time and they said that they scrambled Jets to intercept this thing and I interviewed a number of people that saw that craft I mean that stood on their that light down in their lawns and watched it float over the top of them and apparently according to this individual that I met in the in the late 90s at Luke Air Force Base they scrambled a military jet to intercept this thing he came up on it could have landed on the damn thing it was so big and it went from moving very very slowly to accelerating like warp drive boom just gone when the jet came back to the base Luke Air Force Base they had to carry him out of the the plane I'm told because he was so shaken by what he saw yeah I could imagine you wouldn't handle that well can you imagine having to keep that secret no you imagine like could you imagine taking the governor had to lie right the governor had to like stand up with a a rob a guy in a dressed in an alien suit s yeah and I hammered him on that one well then afterwards once he left office then he talked about it yes they talked about seeing it yes yeah yeah I got I wonder why he had to do that though I I got oh well so I interviewed I was the one that get got him to break his silence after 10 years and he told me and I don't necessarily know that I fully believe it but he told because initially when it happened in March and that remember the vast majority of people were out under the night sky to get a glimpse of the hellbo comment so it was witnessed all the way across the State of Arizona and even in Nevada Southern Nevada and um yeah there he is five told me that it was growing hysteria but initially he had said out
and he said we're going to find out I'm contacting Luke Air Force Base reached out to the Pentagon and all these various services and we're going to we're going to get to the bottom of it and then I don't know how much longer it was was it later that day or was it the next day he held an unscheduled press conference and that's when he had his AIDS dressed up in an alien suit and made a mockery of it all and I can assure you pissed the hell off his constituents and the witnesses all across the State of Arizona they were Furious and um I confronted him on that 10 years after the fact because I was pissed off I was investigating that case when it happened in the 9s and I interviewed a lot of really good Witnesses really good Witnesses and um he said uh the reason why he did it was because of growing hysteria that he wanted to quiet calm down the the hysteria but did he get a phone call just saying hey kill the story I I lean in that direction but he's never even when we're having cocktails together he's never confessed that that happened but it it was awfully suspicious the way it all went down it's a little weird especially considering he actually saw it that could have been a turning point in the UFO phenomenon reporting uh you know um era right like suddenly you get this massive sighting which would happen today we would have been covered by you know everybody's phones and whatever but it but if the governor had come forward and said yeah we need to figure out what that thing is I'm a former captain in the Air Force I'm a pilot and I don't I saw it I don't know what the hell that thing was is there any footage of the actual thing the the triangle Boomerang there are there are some footage floating around and I featured some and I know what I saw uh you got an object in the night sky with lights that and I at the time in 2009 I did some kind of enhancement I'm sure the software is a lot better nowadays of uh it looks like um like a big uh I can draw it like a boomering uh yeah but more angular it was like uh like this like this and my drawing my drawings are terrible like that look up at the screen yeah yeah yeah yeah kind of like that yeah mhm yep and so that image in
the far left that's but that's the yeah and there was that's it right there right yeah and here's something that kind of throws off the trail here because um excuse me the object came down of the State of Arizona it went from north to south is that legit uh on the right there yeah uh I I I honestly I I can't say I'd have to really do a deep dive into it but let me tell you what happened because this is brilliant so what happened was you got this massive object from around 5:30 at night in the southern uh Nevada and then it drifts down very slowly over across the entire from north to south across the entire State of Arizona and right around 7:30 8 8:30 uh the G the Barry Goldwater mountain range which is the direction it was heading in uh the military decides to drop a bunch of flares and so people were like oh there it is there's some you know and they and a bunch of people filmed the flares so in my opinion it was a diversionary tactic that was brilliantly done because why the military suddenly decided to drop flares in the shape of somewhat of the shape so I think that some of the footage that you've seen out there is military flares but there's and there was an effort I don't know if you want to get into it right now but there was there was an effort uh by the so-called m&b which the MIB these men in black or the whatever unknown government agency they come from uh to uh that took that took some footage that I was uh learning about during my investigations in the '90s and I know you're looking at me like of crazy no so the first time I really heard a really credible report of the MIB and I decided not to report on it was when I was in touch with a woman who was councilwoman Francis barwood who was one of the few officials uh in uh Phoenix area that was saying hey let's investigate what these people are claiming to have seen she's not saying aliens have landed all she's saying is hey these people have a right to know what's going on let's launch an investigation she was lambasted over the media made fun of ridiculed but as a result of her inquiry public inquiry and putting it out there one of these individuals reached out to her and I know this because I know her Francis bar I heard the whole story and he was a um
he was a Vietnam vet and he was on the roof of his house with a tripod and a camera and he was trying to get a glimp he was trying to film the hilbo comment and he had walkie-talkies and he was monitoring the truck drivers driving up Interstate 10 from Tucson to Phoenix and so he's monitoring this and he hears these truckers talking about a massive UFO and he's like [ __ ] that's heading right towards my house he was like I'll film it so he had a camera all ready to go the and the object went right over his house according to him and he filmed the whole thing and he goes yeah I filmed the whole thing it's pretty spectacular and I know that you're launching investigation for bar would you like to see it and she said yeah so they made arrangements where he was going to drop it off at her office either later that day or first thing the next morning two representatives and it was July at this point it was very hot two men in dark suits showed up at his house and they said hey um he was apparently relieved that's all they wanted he said they were quite menacing looking didn't really say a lot they said we're from Francis bwoods office we're here to pick up that footage so he gives him the footage he said the only question they ask him is did they make any copies and he said no and so they take the footage off they go well he doesn't hear from Francis barwood he's like what the hell so a couple days go by I think possibly up to a week he calls her up and he says uh and Francis will tell you this she'll she'll validate what I'm telling you he says uh hey what you think of the footage she goes well what do you mean why don't I think of the footage I never got it you were going to drop it off in my office and you didn't show up he goes well I didn't have to you had two men from your office show up and pick it up she goes I didn't send anybody around to your office and I know at the time in the late '90s I heard a couple of stories prior to that I thought this is too out there this is too outlandish no one's going to believe this I have no proof of this other than her testimony screw it and and I didn't report on it but hearing those cases over and over and over it's like there we go once again the so-called evidence that could prove or disprove one way the other that
something truly extraordinary took place in the Skies over Phoenix back in 1997 vanished but there is some that's that slip between the cracks that's out there you just have to do due diligence and there's I don't have the time to sip through those images that we were looking at they look too clean yeah I don't know what's AI generated or whatever but or what could have been in a documentary like a recreation I know what I saw features some of the footage I covered that case extensively so if anyone's interested in the Phoenix Lights case that but I can tell you how many side how many people saw it Oh thousands yeah thousands I talked to another woman Stacy rhods and her daughter Emily and they said they were driving on Interstate 10 and she goes look James I'm going to tell you how big this thing was I said how big and she goes first of all there were people stopped on the freeway just like stopped as this thing it was like Close Encounters floating over the she goes I could have held up a newspaper like this and look to the left look to the right look to that and she said I couldn't block this thing out that's how big it was and it didn't make a sound it was gunmetal black it was witnessed by a lot of people that's what I say there's some some events that have happened over the decades that are pretty Brazen and that's one of them Hudson Valley is pretty Brazen as well I just wish I knew if it was true when you the if you see thousands of people saying the same thing including the governor know so invested in it and you go what happened the governor yeah the governor same guy who came out with a [ __ ] guy dressed up like yeah I know but I got him to come clean 10 years later yeah but so he's already not credible well he already bullshits he does he bullshits he definitely bullshits he definitely bullshits you're right right yeah so when someone bullshits about that they might [ __ ] about anything but well I true yeah but I mean I I'm just playing Devil's out no I hear you I I hear I hear what you're saying and I he hasn't been in the Limelight a while it's good thing to talk about now there's no smoke without fire there is so much evidence in terms of eyewitness testimony and radar some photographic not as much as we'd like
that something truly inexplicable is taking place in our Aerospace right something that after careful examination something that not because of a lack of data in some instances but that after careful analysis and research investigation that comes out the other end and says I can't explain this is going to have to be one of those um unknowns or you know falls into that 15% category of uh cannot provide a terrestrial or conventional explanation for and those are the cases that I've so desperately have been going after for a long time so is all this disclosure and all those discussions on television now and all these meetings and hearings does it so are you think we're on an accelerated path do you think this is like this is all good right I'm convinced of it yes but do you think that there's a real possibility like within the next few years that they just completely drop all the [ __ ] and come clean about this stuff or would it take some sort of extraordinary event where they had to admit it something much bigger than this drone thing um well in some respects there has been I I I I remember I interviewed this guy Nick Pope at the D years ago and I was like this was a time when we were pushing for transparency there France was was releasing previously classified documents on UFOs as they'd say uh the mod followed suit they were releasing previously classified documents slowly putting it out there and at the time was rather exciting I just did a big event at the nationville Press Club with Leslie Kane and and it was like this whole move and it was like oh my God it's happening right but uh it it it kind of petered out a little bit and I remember asking this guy that used to work the UFO desk at theod Nick Pope and I said Nick do you anticipate this any type of disclosure this is like 2009 or something 2008 2009 and he goes James no he goes it's going to be disclosure with a small D not a big D it's going to trickle out slowly you condition people get people prepared test the waters you know one of the things that we explore in the program and I'd never done that is the politics of disclosure it's a far more complex let's just suspend judgment for a moment and assume that it's real okay that there really is an NH or
non-human intelligence aspect to the phenomenon right let's just suggest that's real now how do you disclose that to the general public what about the impacts on organized religion what about the impacts on financial institutions what about the fact that we'd have to confess that we don't have full control over this I mean those are real considerations and it's not just the United States right this involves the planet this involves all the humanity I wanted to ask you about this you see what I'm saying like I do toally more complex than you think oh I toally get that what do you how does Russia handle these things how does China handle these things well I uh there was a case in China that happened in 1994 right around the time of Ru Zimbabwe also in 1994 called mung Xiao Gua and it happened in the black mountains and it was uh a landing alleged contact close to kind of the Third Kind it's funny because it happened right in the same time of Africa similar message that was conveyed I went to China I met with a active General in uniform talked openly about the UFO phenomenon they were pretty open I went to to uh Russia in the late '90s and that was right before Putin it was right around the time when Putin was coming in and that was a period of openness and I went to Star City Russia I interviewed a cosmina pavl papovich uh a number of generals and uh they were very open about it in fact they said to me at the time if you're here to discuss whether or not the UFO phenomenon is real the door's right over there we're here to create an international Coalition an International Exchange of information and to talk about the implications of the phenomenon which I thought was amazing this is like 25 years ago right so now I don't think things have changed since Putin's been in office but that was back in the late 90s I mean they've been Congressional hearings in Brazil there's been there's been an effort I mean [ __ ] they had they had hearings back in 1978 at United Nations that Lee beagle put on you know so there's been an ongoing effort for this stuff to come out I just think it's different this time to me it feels like they're not gonna uh there's too much there's too much momentum behind it at this point and there's so much legislation that's written it's too much
that's come out and it's too important look whether you believe it or you don't believe it if if you can just imagine for a moment if it is true and if the US government does in fact have irrefutable evidence that we're not alone in the universe that's so significant that we all have a right to that information and that we should continue to support this unprecedented push for transparency with our elected officials and get to the [ __ ] bottom of it why not everybody agrees right yeah I think everybody agrees I think the general public no one's going to disagree with you about that yeah and the new administration's coming in there's you know there's Ratcliffe and Rubio I'm telling you Rubio knows a lot I know that how do you know he knows because I talked to people that have debriefed him and been in the room with him during first you haven't talked to him no I have not no I have not but I talked to people that were in the room when he was being briefed from fir handers I'm told that there were I'm going to say right around 12 firsthand people that have that have had behind closed doors meetings firsthand uh people that are con concerned about their secrecy concerned about their safety concerned about the implications and the of them coming forward and um you know going going public that they're not quite they don't quite have this comes from very good source of information that the witness protection program and the legislation that they've created around that is not quite there yet it's getting closer they need continue to work on that you don't mean like witness protections program like put them in whistleblowers they have whistleblow protection I'm so sorry I meant to say that excuse me yeah whistleblower protection it's not quite in place um one of the things I really wanted to mention is that there is a gentleman a young man who's 30 and he feels like he's old his name is Jesse Michaels and he's got this new show called American Alchemy new it's a couple years old why does it feel like he's old cuz you know when you're 30 you feel like you're old really well I did when I turned 30 I was like oh I'm 30 because just 10 years earlier I was almost 19 right or 11 years early I was 19 right you go from a teenager to suddenly you're 30 you always take like
30 and I was talking to him not too long ago Jesse and I said he's like yeah I feel a little old I was like dude you are just getting into your Prime baby this is rock and roll time but I really wanted to this is a guy who's young Julian Dory is also doing some amazing work on this in podcast but he's young and is doing a deep dive into the implications and uh into he meets with aerospace engineers the guy's he's a Jesse you're a phenomenon keep rocking and rolling I want to cut tip my hat to you I don't know if youve seen this guy or not or he's doing deep dives into what's happening he's documented with these podcasts and he's doing a fantastic job and I just got to tip my half to the guy because uh he's 10 times smarter than I'll ever be and he's young and he's a force to be reckoned with and he's really doing he's answering all the questions that you and I are exploring all these issues that you and I are talking about well I'm glad there's people out there pushing it and I'm glad there's guys like grush that are sticking their neck out and guys like you who are making documentaries about it it's the the subject is much more open to discussion like I was saying amongst serious people yes where it didn't used to be before and now I think with this drone thing I think there's so many people that are going okay okay even if they're ours or they're China or who what's going on why are there so many of them what what are the answers and why can't you tell us is it because they're searching for a nuke Jesus Christ maybe you should warn people we get the [ __ ] out of here you know is that really what's going on like uh if it's not what is going on and if it's not ours what are they and how come you can't track them how come like what kind of very bizarre it doesn't even make sense it's very doesn't make sense when you think of the capabilities of the United States military it doesn't make any sense they can't figure out what's going on I think what Trump said is probably correct that the government knows they know what's happening and they don't want to tell people whatever know he could tell us why wouldn't he tell us I don't think he knows yet I don't think until he gets into office uh he was he gave a speech about it at marago I saw that I saw that but did did
he say well let's watch it well watch it we'll watch it pull the speech up yeah cuz I'm wondering if he yeah well we're about to find out yeah essentially he was saying that he knows that the government knows what's going on and uh they're not telling us that means they're not telling him so they're not telling him no I don't I don't think until you get into office you're not the President right so he's the president elect I don't know what kind of clearances that he has yeah I don't understand how that works I'd be very curious to know what he knows right especially with this like who do you even ask like who is the person that can lay out the information like which department which which agency it seems like they're so compartmentalized what about the fear home the Dr thank you good to see you good to see you um can you comment on the drones that are flying around New Jersey and ports and it seems like the American people have a big dist the government the government knows what is happening um look our military knows where they took off from if it's a garage they can go right into that garage they know where it came from and where it went and for some reason they don't want to comment and I think they'd be better off saying what it is our military knows and our our president knows our president knows and for some reason they want to keep people in suspense I can't imagine it's the enemy because it was the enemy they'd blast it out even if they were late they'd blast it uh something strange is going on for some reason they don't want to tell the people and they should because the people are really I mean they happen to be over Bedminster they're very they're very close to Bedminster I think maybe I won't spend the weekend in Bedminster I've decided to cancel my trip yeah I think I won't spend the weekend in bedminister yeah I mean wow I bet someone told him Mr President it's pretty important that you don't go to the golf course yeah God that's so crazy hey um so what does that mean I got a I got to if if you don't mind um there I was contacted want to this are you going to switch the objection well no no no no no no this is all about exactly what we're talking about I just this is something that that I really
need to put out there because it's very important okay and it's an unprecedented effort spearheaded by this woman Andrea who runs a number of communities on Reddit and she said that they're banding together for the first time ever it's the biggest Grassroots campaign for government transparency this is happening on Friday the 20th of December at 300 p.m. eastern time and this has the potential to reach millions and millions of people it's the most unprecedented uh event on Reddit in history and I'll post all of the necessary information on X because this is a very Grassroots effort and I'm re what are they doing at James C Fox on X formerly known as Twitter it's uh the the Reddit Community is banding together for a huge Grassroots campaign for government transparency so basically all the various platforms on Reddit like Paranormal UFO they they don't usually get along too well but they're all combining their resources and they're getting together for the first time ever and to push for government transparency there's a couple of government insiders that appear in my film that will be appearing on this to answer questions and what steps need to be happening what's going on today and and this is happening on the 20th of December 3 p.m. and I'll be posting more information the very specific details on X at James C Fox I just wanted to get that out there before because well the more of this stuff that happens the better the more people demand it the better the more politicians hear from the people and want to I mean especially politicians that are up for reelection and they want to show that they're doing what the people want them to do yeah I I'd like to know more but obviously I'm very happy that we're hearing much more about this subject in a serious way yeah you know whatever the hell's going on yeah well I I I I I really encourage you to watch the program I will 100% I went bent over backwards to put together in and explain everything in layman terms what's happened from 2017 to today because it's it's unprecedented we're living in an unprecedented moment in history there's an unprecedented push for government transparency and I want to continue supporting our elected officials bipartisan effort to get to the bottom of this and I especially want
to throw a shout out to representative brette because you're you're killing it buddy thank you hey uh Jamie why don't you use chat GPT and ask chat GPT what's going on with the drones New Jersey I'd be very curious to hear about that yeah it's a damn good idea and maybe then ask Rock but uh ask ask chat GPT what is really happening with the drones in New Jersey let's just see what CH so tell me how that works it's AI right and what is really happening with the drones in New Jersey let's see so what does chat GPT say Chad GPD is gonna search the web oh this amazing numerous jint have been reported across New Jersey and other East Coast it's incredible how fast this is look how fast look at this this is incredible they found no evidence suggesting threat to National Security or Public Safety despite these insurances some local officials and residents remain concerned for instance Belleville Mayor Michael melham uh speculated The increased drone activity might be related to a search for missing radioactive material from the medical facility in New Jersey additionally the public figures like Bethany Frankle have shared unverified theories about the drone's purposes further fueling speculation the situation is evolving and authorities continue to monitor investigate new reports residents are advised to report any suspicious drone activity to local law enforcement avoid taking matters into their own hands like shooting them down people are shooting them down uh such they're shooting them down they're eating the dogs attempting to shoot down drones uh as it compos safety risks and violate laws um now ask chat DPT ask rock or no oh let's just keep going with chat GPT for a little bit because you're asking it again um ask chat GPT if I live in New Jersey should I get out of town are you serious yeah yeah if I live in New Jersey should I get out of town should I evacuate yeah should I evacuate we'll say evacuate cuz get out of town is like a colloquialism should I evacuate okay this is amazing at this time there's no official recommendation for residents in New
Jersey uhhuh follow official updates yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah okay as a precautionary measure are you sure are you sure sometimes you always have to ask it no federal evacuation orders okay it knows that there's no F Federal evacuation orders if you were going to give me advice would you tell me to leave the East Coast advice is [ __ ] up there we go based on the current information provided by trusted authorities there's no evidence of an imminent threat yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah could you imagine put this in could you imagine a scenario where these drones are actually looking for a nuclear bomb and if so would you advise me as a preemptive measure to evacuate I typed so much worse when people are watching I'm so impressed at how well he's typing actually I I really am while it's possible to imagine s involving drones searching for Dangerous material such as a nuclear bomb there's no verified information suggesting such an extreme situation yeah yeah yeah so I how about this I think this in I if I put it in grock and fun mode we might get hold on a second but try this is there a non-human intelligence behind listen I think the drones are looking for a nuclear bomb and I am going to leave New Jersey where should I go to Montana how far away should I go oh that's okay if you leav new JY is a precautionary measure here are some suggestions for place to relocate temporarily you're doing good head West okay so now we're getting better so now it's saying go further away wow uh Colorado consider scroll back up so I can read that where it said Colorado consider Durango Grand Junction or areas outside of Denver these are safe and equipped with modern infrastructure I'm telling you to move this is telling you to get away from big cities Durango Tennessee the Smoky Mountain region and Gatlinburg or Knoxville provides natural beauty lower cost of living and a sense of isolation they're telling you how to rebuild civilization okay if a nuke goes off where to go if a if a nuke goes off on the East Coast type this in Jamie if a nuke goes off on the East
Coast where should I be to be safe oh my gosh if you're concerned about potential nuclear incident here's a list of safest options based on Geographic environmental and strategic factors Montana Colorado Wyoming Ido sparsely populated vast distances from major cities and Military targets towns like Boseman Jackson hle Sandpoint are beautiful remote and away from the fall out paths Jesus Christ I'm curious what would happen if you asked chat G gbt is it GPT GPT if uh what percentage of UAP represent a non-human intelligence okay that's a good one what percentage of UAP represent a non-human intelligence really curious let's just pulling it from the internet I know let's see what it says could represent nonhuman intelligence remains unknown and spective current in investigations by UAP organizations like the US government emphasize the following most uaps have conventional explanations oh this this project blue [ __ ] all percent 5 or 10% of UAP cases remain unidentified even after thorough analysis these cases I was likeis to 10% uh evidence inconsistent with known human technology no conclusive evidence for non-human intelligence while UAP cases are public puzzling the government has not officially okay Commander but type this in Commander David fraver encountered a ticktock a Tic Tac yeah Tic Tac shaped craft in 2005 was 2004 20043 2003 okay 2003 that defied our understanding of known physics period what do you think he saw wow encounter with tic tac shaped craft remains one of the most compelling and well documented UAP cases in modern history key deal details of the encounter craft described smooth white oblong resembling a Tic Tac no visible propulsion wings or exhaust played extraordinary flight characteristics accelerated instantly from a hovering position descended from 880,000 ft to near sea level in seconds frer reported the object mimicked his movements during their engagement and then vanished at extreme speed it's possible the craft was an
ultra secret military project either us-based experimental aircraft Aerospace technology or developed by another Nation however the extreme flight performance raises doubts such advanced technology would suggest a significant leap Beyond publicly known capabilities which is inconsistent with current engineering limits sensor anomaly or perception issues then yeah yeah yeah I asked the heads of Arrow if they could explain that one and they said no if no type this in really good case if all accounts of the capabilities of the Tic Tac craft are true what are the possibilities that it came from another planet if the counts capabilities are accurate instantaneous acceleration Hypersonic speeds without V propulsion no heat say it loud so people can hear you okay so if the accounts of the Tic Tacs crap's capabilities are accurate instantaneous acceleration Hypersonic speeds without visible propulsion no heat signatures and Defiance of inertia than the possibility the possibilities of orig origin being extraterrestrial or from another planet become a viable hypothesis here's why the physics of the Tic Tac craft reported Behavior the craft suggests technology that operates beyond our current understanding of physics and propulsion systems no visible propulsion it implies propulsion system unrelated to Conventional Jets or Rockets instantaneous acceleration Vis inertia in Newtonian physics achieving this would require manipulating gravity or SpaceTime itself silent operation no Sonic booms despite Hypersonic speeds points to a technology that likely emanates eliminates air resistance such as surrounding itself in an electromagnetic field or bubble this level of technological advancement far surpasses anything developed on Earth if true such capabilities would suggest a highly Advanced civilization per perhaps thousands or millions of years ahead of us scientifically if true where do you think it came from this was 20 years ago that it had to say I know but if true where do you think it came from if it how about this it's still typing it's still typing
Jesus Christ giv you that final thoughts look at this writing a whole turn paper on this yeah it's amazing how fast it does it too it's amazing how fast it does it wow Tic Tac if the Tic Tac UAP is real and the accounts are accurate then its origin may very well be extraterrestrial or involve unknown physics and technology that we haven't begun to comprehend the extraordinary nature of the case suggests an equally extraordinary explanation what do you think why you asking me [ __ ] you're chat GB does extraterrestrial visitation seem plausible or is there another explanation that resonates more with you so type this I believe it seems plausible that they are extraterrestrial in nature good luck I was going to say that's good if true comma if true where do you think they came from let's see identifying where they might come from involves exploring nearby Stellar systems known exoplanets and plausible scientific ideas about Interstellar travel here are the most likely possibilities nearby star systems with habitable zones Alpha centuri system 4.37 light years away closest star system to Earth Proxima centuri uh potentially habitable planet exoplanet ex uh orbiting proximus andar within the habitable zone if life developed there might be technologically advanced enough for Interstellar exploration Bernard so it's giving me a list of all the potenti possibilities possible star systems this one's only 39 light years away what was the closest one Al Al centu was at was that four light years or something I don't know scroll back up scroll back up a little bit said 3.9 3.9 million 4.3 ala centuri 4.3 light years CL wow but here's the crazy part pretty close you remember the remember the twin paradox Theory they say that if you get like two twins right as kids say one's 10 they're both 10 right and you put one in a spaceship that travels a speed of light for one year he would come back with an atomic clock on board that spacecraft a year old or CB 11 and his brother would be an old man mhm I can't wrap my mind around that right but that's but they say it's pretty much fact but that's speed right
I think what we're talking about is different than speed I think it's instantaneous instantaneous relocation right so I think in yeah I think instead of like manipulate the space time between the two points right so I think the idea is that instead of a rocket that goes you know 5 million miles an hour just shoots off of Earth and keeps going until it you know 5 million years from now it runs into this planet I I think it's different than that I think what if I had to guess where something can manipulate gravity and space what it would do is instantaneously appear in these new places like you've talked to a lot of physicists about this kind of stuff huh I have and the way they explain it is baffling and Bob lazzar's version of it is baffling because Bob lazar's version of it that he told in 1989 kind of makes sense when you talk to people that are trying to develop some sort of a gravity or a warp drive right and the way bobazar explained it is that this element when bombarded with radiation creates this I really butchering it for sure uh creat some sort of a gravity field that allows it the way he described it like if you took a mattress a very soft mattress and put a very heavy bowling ball in the middle of the mattress it pushes the mattress down to that area and that this like folds time right so you go from here to here but when you stretch it down suddenly those two points connect it folds it yeah and so wherever it is it's it's here so it's not like it's going a million light years so it's a million light years an hour yeah space is malleable exactly it's just well it makes sense if if you think about how technology scales yeah and if we do I mean Ryan brought up this yesterday as well that there was research and there was Papers written about the idea of having some sort of a gravity drive or having some sort of a gravity propulsion system something that doesn't rely on conventional you know Rockets pushing gases back exactly and he said that this was something that was discussed a long time ago but then it just stopped then you know we brought it up a long quite a while ago there was an episode that we brought up a paper that was written in the 1960s about gravity drives was that by
hell put off I do not know cuz he's like a propulsion expert in terms of the propulsion behind the physics behind UFOs and he tried to I tried to get him to explain it to me in sort of conventional layman terms and of course my tiny little brain but he I I felt like I almost grasped it for a moment but the time the amount of power that it would take to to create that gravitational field around the object and he said that's why you see them doing these Maneuvers that look like a defy physics right and then everything inside the craft would just splatter um it that that you're immune from that on the inside according which also would make sense physicist what am I talking about but that would also make sense if you had something like that that you could go in the ocean as well right yeah so because whatever is around you wouldn't matter CU you're not affected by it right you're somehow creating a field around that's it's that's immune to whatever that would be the only thing that would make sense how it could move so fast under water atmosphere space water and how it would be transm medium it can go from space into the water it's unaffected by gravity it's unaff affected by all the things around it creates its own gravity field and allows it to just pass through things I remember uh Kirk McConnell who sent an armed service committee who investigated UFOs from 2017 I talked about them earlier but he said that they were picking up agis radar systems were picking these objects up from basically from space and they were shooting down from space all the way down they loiter for as long as they wanted to go in the water come back out again shoot back up into space and they would just do it like you know all day long and there was nothing well we can't see that right and if someone does have I mean if there's someone in the military that does have some like super Advanced satellite reconnaissance imagery of these things um I could see why they would hold that back I could see why they would think that people aren't ready for that I I could see it do you think Elon knows he's real Cy about it he is ky about it and he's got deals with the dod and he's got sat and everything that's probably why I'd be KY about it too knows more than what he's saying this is what he
said if aliens are real they're very subtle that's what he was saying I was like I don't know if they're subtle man the Phoenix Lights wasn't that subtle that's aliens I heard from some people around him that that because of his contracts with DOD that he kind of keeps quiet about it because I'm sure everybody talks about I mean even Ratcliffe talked about the satellite imagery for of UAP I mean if they're picking it up why wouldn't his systems pick it up he hasn't said a peep about the Drone thing and you haven't asked him about it nope if he wants to tell me he'll tell me I'm not going to be that guy I'm not going to be annoying but publicly like on X has he said anything about the drones he said something a couple weeks ago I believe I think it was a couple weeks ago I'll check right now but is uh like there's a big drone storm or a big drone fight coming and people are taking that as like he knew this was happening a big drone fight coming well you know he's um been real public about the idea that building manned fighter jets is at at this point kind of foolish you know and he's I think he's correct um you know so unpiloted only yeah I mean I think takes the fun out of it well it takes the biological mistakes out of it is what it does right it takes the human mind out the human mind is very fallible you know we already know that AI systems like Mike Baker explained to us that AI systems with fighter jets beat actual fighter jet Pilots 100% of the time so when they have these simulated yes when they have these simulated dog fights when they take AI fighter jets that we w have right now they beat our fighterjet Pilots the best of the best 100% of the time so they don't have any biological limitations in terms of what what they deal forces yeah don't so you have that right so all you have to do is make the equipment and the materials uh robust enough so they can take insane speeds and not blow apart but it certainly would be way easier to do that than it would be to get a human being to be safe in it so much less badass though recently so what does he he saying oh so he quicked on it future Wars are all about drones and Hypersonic Jets so this is us talking about that this is us talking about uh fighterjet Pilots by
humans will be destroyed very quickly so he talked about it so he put a clip Up of us talking about it on the podcast this was in November November 28th and so uh neither side is air superiority and tanks are easily destroyed by missiles so that leaves infantry and artillery basically World War I drones are not yet available in sufficient numbers to matter much like aircraft in World War I a defense in-depth trench war means and then some mon example that was like two years ago so did you get the impression when you spoke to Elon about UFOs that he knew more than he was telling you you said he's KY yeah he doesn't he he doesn't even entertain the idea of UFOs so if you bring up the fraver incident he'll just say no it didn't happen or that's it doesn't seem interested I don't know I mean I would imagine what you're saying is true that it's not wise for him to discuss it that's what I would imagine yeah if he wants to tell me he'll tell me and if he wants me to tell no one I'll tell no one yeah if he wants to tell me and say don't tell anybody I'll I won't tell anybody but I'm not going to ask him I I think his position as you know being the guy at SpaceX yeah why would you [ __ ] around with that he's got too much at stake yeah it's way too much at stake also like if anybody's going to find out he's going to find out if there there's something going on if something legitimately going on uh the guy who can catch Rockets with a crane he that's the guy he's going to know I thought the first time I saw saw that was like AI generator I was I was watching the thing come down and I just thought that's the ones that land before that those were insane and now you can catch them they don't even have to land it's nuts like what he's done is just accelerate what we are are capable of doing far beyond what NASA was able to do just a few years ago so I used I used to have a neighbor that worked for Elon Musk and he drove at Tesla way early way early on when Teslas weren't you know that many out there and I was like well you got a Tesla he's like yeah I actually work for y l m blah blah blah and I saw him a couple years later I was like Hey you're not driving Tesla anymore he goes no he goes I I I don't work for Elon anymore I was like oh I'm sorry to hear that what happened he goes he goes well he's he
works so hard and his expectations are so high he goes I was at the hospital with my wife giving as she was giving birth to her first child and elon's like I need you in the office oh Jesus Christ he said he said he goes I I could I you know a guy's got an an incredible worth ethic work ethic but it was too much he goes I'm at the hospital I don't care where where you at you to work it's like pretty brutal that's brutal wasn't he sleeping in the he was sleeping in the sure yeah he's uh sleeping working 16 hours a day and sleeping on the floor wow yeah that's commitment well he demands that of other people too and you know maybe you want that maybe you don't and if you don't you can't work there it's just that simple like if you want that hop on in if you're a single guy and you don't have a wife and you don't have children but if you do oh boy that's not a life for that's not for me I wouldn't want that job I think the closest thing to a spaceship on Wheels is a Tesla oh they're amazing pretty remarkable I've had three of them this is my third the acceleration is Inc like a gut Punch Yeah and they're getting better they're getting the the autonomous driving is incredible now I remember once somebody said to me they were like you know step on the you know show me the acceleration and I I stepped on it a model 3 Performance um and uh seems fake I got nauseous yeah I I wasn't quite ready I was like I turned myself a little sideways or something I I felt I was like wow I'm I'm ride motorcycles I've been doing all this was like you know but I like now I prepare myself for that that's really fast that's super bike fast it's crazy fast and it can actually the beautiful thing is you can merge on the highway and you don't seem like a douchebag cuz you don't like it's not like really loud to super quiet all stealthy yeah it's all a sudden it's going 100 miles an hour like what happened yeah I remember I got a ticket years ago on a motorcycle and the guy that bought the bike was had a lat exhaust pipe which I ended up getting rid of I didn't like the lat exhaust pipe it's too loud and got pulled over and the cop never even saw me he just heard me and he wrote me up exactly how fast I was going he's like you're doing 90 to 35 I'm like I was he was like oh
yeah I could hear you I was like I went up through the gears and I put a quiet so yeah that's uh quiet is nice quiet has its benefits it well it doesn't in a motorcycle though you want to be loud don't ha you that's true but I drive like the Invisible Man when I'm on a motorcycle you have to yeah I've had people look me right in the eyes and they pulled right out in front of me people want toon sideswiped and also people are like how many people are medicated I don't think they see you as a threat I think they see as like you're Al almost like a gnat or something I've learned and I tell people that ride Motors I've been riding bikes for 50 years as soon as you get on that bike you become the Invisible Man right right pretend no one gets pend that no one can see you you'll live a lot longer you can make eye contact with somebody doesn't mean they see you I've had people pull out in front of me like I said I've been T-boned and all kinds of crazy accents over the years I wish they weren't so dangerous cuz I would love to drive one oh they're amazing I know you just had like I said you just you know yeah until you're not I had three friends I was I was getting my motorcycle license so I was doing it was a while ago 10 years so it was a couple of us that worked on Fear Factor a couple of the guys that worked on set we all decided to go and take lessons together and uh shout out to Peter hko and uh he wound up getting his motorcycle he kept driving it and uh but one of the guys we worked with he crashed his bike and [ __ ] up his shoulder and then one of the guys who was fighting for the UFC uh Frank me he got hit by car he got uh T-boned and ran into his femur snapped his femur and he almost lost his leg his leg was and it [ __ ] up his career for years so there was that and then um I saw a guy on the highway that was covered in a uh blanket oh God yeah he was alive uh you can see but his his leg was so [ __ ] up that they covered in a blanket so the passer by wouldn't rubber necket there's three of those and then another friend of mine saw someone get hit saw someone get rear ended someone not paying attention in their car rear ended the bike and had the guy flying through the air at a red light so that was enough for me yeah I know I became a dad and I had two motorcycles right before I became a dad
and I sold them and then after 10 years I was like maybe I can get just like a dirt bike cuz I really enjoy riding there's nothing like it being on a motorcycle so imagine if you get a dirt bike and then a mount line takes you out God damn it I have a dirt bike with a motor yeah but even with a motor I don't know if a mountain line would be scared of a motor yeah i' be able to out run it but time they get bicyclers most of the time they kill bicyclers it's it's nuts yeah so so let me ask your honest opinion I know we're wrapping up here okay if you had to say whether you believed or you didn't believe and look you can't make any definitive statements I get that but you're a very influential individual who's done more for the push for disclosure I hate use the word disclosure it's got a bit of a buzz a bit of a connection to it uh push for government transparency on this topic right um if you had to say something truly inexplicable that most likely would lead to nhi or non-human intelligence or not conventional what would you pick ultimately that you think there is possibly a non-human intelligence behind this or that there is not I wish I could be definitive like that I know you can't be definitive I don't I try to I try to stay as open-minded on this as possible which means I fluctuate back and forth to fully believe from fully believing to fully believing it's some military experiment and it's a bunch of our stuff but then there's stories like the things like the Tic Tac and the where you go okay 2004 how how do they how could they do that in 2004 is there a propulsion system available in 2004 that's that far Advanced and if so how come there's so little evidence of it in like in and a practical use like how come that technology you would think that technology would take so much money to develop that you would do something with it in 20 years you wouldn't just have it and just be flying around like a drone every now and again it would seem like there would be some sort of a practical application for something like that and it would seem like like the Manhattan Project and like the stealth bommer eventually you find out that it's a real thing right so 20 years is a long time to not find out that something's real well how about how about if we take it
up to a lot longer than that what about the 1952 two consecutive week in July over the White House in the capital and uh that was we had a press conference about that guy in general that basically admit that they're real Kenneth Arnold you know that was phenomenal and then you got to go to the bagavat G you know like there's there's stories of things the historical stuff is incredible isn't it like think of the guy that showed up with the blue skin is that an angel is that a devil like what if if you were living 4,000 years ago you're one of the people that wrote The Dead Sea Scrolls he be a God yeah what is that what what is that visitation that you've experienced with a craft it would be it would be connected with a God right right and also the story when you tell the story like what is this like and then someone illustrates it what does it even how does it even relay in words especially you're using the words of 4,000 years ago what what are you describing and if they really have always been here and they've always been visiting us that's probably how you would describe it you would describe it like Ezekiel did in the Bible yeah you know I was in Africa investigating the the alleged land and close en kind of the Third Kind at Ru Zimbabwe aerial School in 1994 I wasn't there in '94 I was there much later and the teacher Judy Bates who's now the head principal and uh she was sharing with me these drawings that children did of the alleged creatures and they were amazing these drawings big eyes and um big heads almond shaped eyes blah blah blah and I'm looking at these drawings one after the other from all these school children it was phenomenal and she gave no I took photographs of them and then a month later I went to Australia and I was inves investigating an alleged Landing that happened at westall Primary School in 1966 and uh that was that was incredible I was there investigating and I was showing some of the drawings of the aliens that I the alleged aliens that I just had investigated in Africa and uh some of the people were like oh wow these drawings are amazing they look like the WAN Gina cave art I was like the what the WAN Gina cave art the aboriginals Drew these things and so they pulled it up Wan Gina and the the
parallel they're thousands of years old right right these cave paintings in in Australia the parallels the consistencies the it was the comparison of the two was like let's take a look at those real quick yeah look up one one that before we leave cave painting uh UFO or alien one one most likely something there I just don't know and if it's a thing so let's say if it's a real thing is it from another planet or is it more complicated than that I think it's more complicated than that yeah well that's yes yeah very bizar right I mean look that right there with the dark bizarre look at the three of them in that the one in the center Jamie yeah that one look how weird that is man that's so [ __ ] weird look at the one with the dark black eyes right there how pale they are too it's like yeah it's very weird and then there's that one with the big with the big dark eyes right down just go straight down up down yeah right up to the right right there look at that very weird very weird and it's also very weird how this is 4,000 years old and then close of the Third Kind the 1970s 4,000 years old and I'm telling you I could show you the drawings uh one of the witnesses um um very weird yeah it's just it's just phenomenal listen ma thank you for everything thanks thanks for what you do thank you so much for having me on my pleasure I mean you your [ __ ] doggy determination to get this stuff out there it's very important you promise you'll watch the program I will 100% watch it definitely I will will thank you sir awesome brother appreciate you James thank you very much much you it's on Amazon the program uh and then uh moment of contact is probably available everywhere right and the phenomenon yeah I know what I saw out of the blue okay 50 years of denial oh my God it goes back yeah you've been you you're you've been deep in this rabbit hole for a long time sir Thanks James I appreciate you very much all right bye everybody [Music] [Applause] [Music]