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Joe Rogan podcast check it out The Joe Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day so he's got hi Rick hi good to see you brother good to seeing you too um so he's got this place called the Boneyard my friend John Reeves in Alaska and he made this for me too this is a like a little skull that's a a Woolly Mammoth tooth like a Muller whoa yeah so he has this incredible place and uh he was a gold miner and still is and they started finding like an extraordinary amount of tusks and bones and skulls from animals that aren't even supposed to have been there yeah and it's kind of rewriting history but it's all in his land so he has complete control over it and he has like see there's John he's this enormous dude he's like 6' n like a big giant man and he has um this is just some of it like show those warehouses that he has so he had a research facility built on his property so they could study this stuff and if you see outside in the lobby there's actually a bison skull it's like a 10,000 plus year old Bison skull lot of Bones so this area is only a few Acres this is what's really crazy he has one area that's like I I believe it's like 4 acres and another area that's about about 6 Acres mhm and there's also like a very heavy layer of carbon um that so it appears there was some sort of a mass fire and he thinks that this mass extinction event that all the uh people like um Graham Hancock and Randle Carlson talk about the end of the younger dest the younger Dy impact he thinks it's connected to this and he thinks that site might have been hit and all these animals probably in the great flood their carcasses were washed into this sort of Valley in this one area where they were kind of Trapped up against the side of this mountain and so he hoses the the mountain down with the it's all permafrost so it's all been frozen forever and they have these high pressure hoses and they hose it until they expose like a Tusk and they have this this is what they do all day yeah those hosers are what they used to use uh for mining gold too yes that's why he has them yeah yeah that's exactly why he has them he's a gold miner yeah so this is around the Southeast coast I don't know exactly what part of a laska he's in but it's really really amazing stuff yeah and another thing that he's
exposed is that it's the Smithsonian right in New York no no I think it's American history NH find out what Amer Museum of Natural History Museum Natural History so they had uh from the same property before he owned it way back back in like I think it was the 30s they had so many bones from this part of Alaska where the previous people had found them that they didn't have any room to storm so they dumped them in the East River yeah and so they denied that the previous PE obviously it's people that are long dead they denied that this happened and so he sent a bunch of divers out there and so they're recovering like these Mammoth bones and all these like like bison bones steep bison bones in the East River yeah yeah that are all from his property in Alaska yeah be be hard to explain how they got there otherwise there only one I mean it's the literal exact spot to look too like he knew exactly where to go it was all there's records of it of like where they dumped it because and they still to this day have just crates of these bones yeah is that the reason he chose where he is living in Alaska because of I don't believe so no he was there for gold mining I think it was something that came up along the way you know because he's a gold miner he's got a lot of disposable income so he's willing to just spend it on his own to do this he doesn't trust the museums anymore because they screwed over the previous owner and even though it's his property and his land he's supposed to get that stuff and they don't want to give it to him and you know and so he's got his own research fa facility that he built he spent millions of dollars building this enormous research facility on his property so that they could study these bones he's got warehouses full of them yeah yeah what's his background like archaeology or something no he was a he was a swimmer right yeah he was a swimmer in college and became uh a a gold miner I mean he told me the whole whole whole story I don't really totally remember it but this is not something he wanted to get into like the middle near Fairbanks it's near Fairbanks yeah yeah so this is this is where John lives he we do a podcast every year every year he comes back like the last podcast of the Year generally and he uh gives us an update on what's going on yeah let me
take a look at that map you know I spent my first year after finishing my Psychiatry training in Fairbanks oh did you really yeah yeah that's an interesting psychi Psychiatry place because the psychology of people that live in Alaska is very different they're different they're resilient humans well and they're there for a reason right and that reason is to be at the end of the road right yeah or their families there and they've grown up there yeah but you you meet like I felt like I was meeting people from another country like I only worked in Alaska once I did a show in Anchorage it was a lot of fun me and my friend Ari shaffir we said let's just fly up there just like a an adventure trip we'll do some salmon fishing and then we'll go do a show and that's what we did yeah and um it's like the people feel different they feel different like they're more they're they're made out of harder things so they're like more durable right when you up there did you get outside of Anchorage like into the interior at all we didn't do much traveling we only kind of I've been to Alaska a few times um uh a couple times for uh hunting trips and um I always feel the same way I always feel like it's another country it's just like um very interesting it's a very strange atmosphere too you know the climate and the geology and the you feeling uh you know because you're up so high the planet you're close to the North Pole yeah when we were doing shows I believe it was July or August where we were doing shows and at night after the show it was bright out you go outside it was like you could see everything it was it was weird it was like it felt like it was 5:00 P p.m. it's a very strange feeling well in the winter too uh you have maybe a couple hours of Twilight yeah and that's it and then sometimes all dark for a long time too um well that occurs above the Arctic Circle have you ever seen that movie 30 days of night it's a vampire movie oh yeah with kefir Southerland no no no no that is the Lost Boys oh Lost Boys right 30 Days of Night was cooler yeah not that there was anything wrong with The Lost Boys it's a little dated 30 Days of Night is more modern and these uh vampires decide to descend upon this small town where it never turns light so they could just hunt all the time yeah that's clever
yeah you vampires are smarter than they look these are creepy vampires too they got hor horrifying teeth it's interesting how you know uh vampires sort of we decide that they look like Bella Los Losi you know there's Dracula that must be a vampire and then some people they have you ever wondered like the root of some things like that like I used to think I used to like wholly dismiss ghosts as a young man you know when I was a boy I believed in them because I was young and dumb and then as I got older I was like maybe there's a reason why so like if I've never experienced something and then I do experience it how am I ever going to explain this to people where it's going to make any sense to someone else that hasn't experienced it before this episode is brought to you by the farmer's dog dogs are amazing they're loyal they're lovable like just having Marshall around can make my day 10 times better and I'm sure you love your dog just as much and you want to do your best to help them live longer healthier happier lives and a healthy life for your dog starts with healthy food just like it does for us there's a reason having a balanced diet is so important so how do you know if your dog's food is as healthy and as safe as it can be well Farmer's dog gives you that peace of mind by making fresh real food developed by board certified nutritionist to provide all the nutrients your dog needs and their food is human grade which means it's made to the same quality and safety standards as human food very few pet foods are made to this strict standard and let's be clear human grade food doesn't mean the food is fancy just means it's safe and healthy it's simple real food from people who care about what goes into your dog's body the farmer's dog makes it easy to help your dog live a long Healthy Life by sending you fresh food that's pre-portioned just for your dog's needs because every dog is different and I'm not just talking about breeds from their size to their personality to their health every dog is unique plus precise portions can help keep your dog at an ideal weight which is one of the proven predictors of a long life look no one dog or human should be eating highly processed foods for every meal it doesn't matter how old
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Campbell is that no is that who wrote that yeah it's really good yeah I'm in the middle of that right now the big toe yeah um is very strange book yeah that's the name of the book or the name of the exper that's the name of the book it's my big Theory of Everything You Know toe as for Theory of Everything I see okay but it has a picture of a toe on the cover yeah yeah when you were doing um the DMT studies it's kind of a similar thing right like if you had never experienced that and someone was trying to describe it to you it would sound completely like nonsense just like a ghost would right or even a dream to somebody who had never dreamed right right cuz there are people who don't dream right which is very strange yeah yeah like there are people with no imagination they can't visualize things that's so bizarre yeah yeah and you give them psychedelics and they report that they can but I mean how do they know that they are right that's an uncomfortable reality that some people's brains don't work the same way right yeah you know it's a fact though it well it has to be yeah I mean just just look at like cultural choices just look look at the different kinds of music that people enjoy the different kinds of food that people enjoy and then and the different kinds of climate that they enjoy there is no way we're all seeing the same thing there's no way if food that tastes hard horrible to you is like a sacred delicacy to them mhm you know yeah one of the ideas I put out in that 2014 book on the prophetic State uh the soul of Prophecy I propose that you know people respond ethnically or culturally differently to different endogenous uh you psychedelics you know the emphasis on the enlightenment experience in Buddhism might be because uh people in that part of the world reduce or are more sensitive to five methoxy DMT which gives you that wi out experience and with the other kind of religious experience is more DMT like because it's full of angels and you speak to things they speak to you you know so there may even be some kind of you differential among people as far as you know the way they're hardwired for you spiritual experience even well it kind of makes sense too that if the way they move through the world is through through a specific cultural training
right the way their cultural thinks about things and just imagine being born in an atheist secular environment and you're raised by those people and then you meet someone who's born in a fundamentalist Christian you know religion where it's like very strict and then they both meet when they're 14 and compare notes it'd be the most bizarre versions of the world right uh well I mean one version is there is no God and the other version is that there is right but there's one version that God is not just a part of your life but the only reason why anything was ever formed it's God's plan for everything that God has you know a plan for you and that if you follow the teaching the teachings of God you'll ultimately go to heaven it's like very structured where the other side it's like uh death life is suffering there's you know who knows what what happens when you die but probably nothing you know uh if you feel depressed you should probably go to the doctor and get a pill yeah yes you so you wonder if the atheist's biology is different than the Believers I wonder if it becomes different right because don't genes turn on and off expressions of genes based upon stress based upon environments a lot of things right right and those changes can be inherited you know like you passed on to the next generation and the Next Generation that's crazy yeah you know that's a a theory about the syndrome of survivors of the Holocaust and their children and their children is that the stress of being for example in the camps activated certain genes which were then in an activated State uh you passed on to the you following Generations yeah I was um um we were just you know talking about that like at what point does trauma end what point did the effects of trauma end is in the first generation or the second and and it's not just trauma right it's also just stress like the hormetic stress of starvation it actually makes the children of those people live longer mhm very Dr Ronda Patrick has talked about this it's really interesting yeah yeah that's one of the um spin-offs of fasting and starvation you know there were a lot well you speaking of starvation um you there are a lot of studies of enforced starvation like the camps and in Africa
at various times yeah you know so there are some advantages uh but I mean obviously to a point yeah obviously we' never want to ask someone to do that but when people do it voluntarily like when they go on these three and five day fasts I've never met one person who said I'll never do that again that was [ __ ] terrible and stupid yeah and I felt really dumb and I didn't feel alive at all no they come back with like this very bizarre euphoric like ex their their version of it when they're expressing themselves seems like they were like on mushrooms yeah weird is is that something youve tried no I've done a day I I've done a day and I sneak in some espresso if I'm feeling you know deprived I don't think it I think that's fine because just espresso doesn't uh I mean no calories right there's no calories yeah um I should do it I should probably do like a three- day see what's up cuz my friend Dana just did it he I think Dana did a four three or four day he said it was incredible but everybody reports all this energy which is really fascinating because I guess that's your body uh surviving off ketone oh right you're in a ketotic state well when people fast for three or four days do they drink water or they yeah they drink oh you have to I mean there's a thing called a dry fast and people have done that I've heard of people doing like 48h hour dry fasts and that is no water as well yeah you can keep that I'm so not interested in that well you can go on a vision quest uh like out in the desert not drink or not eat and you do start hallucinating yeah I love uh McKenna's take on that M do you know that I don't remember he told a story about how um this monk the Buddha was in town this monk went to visit the Buddha and he told the monk that he's practiced a city of levitation for the past 10 years and now he can walk on water and the Buddha goes yeah but the fair's only a nickel you know right yeah cuz here's my take on some of these things just because it's hard to do doesn't always mean it's good to do mhm like there are things that are hard to do but they're good to do like if you could run a marathon at the end of that Marathon you're like wow I really did something and you feel good and like wow you're a little beat up but you you have a new
faith in yourself that's good to do it's hard to do but good to do but if you run for like seven days and you almost die mhm maybe yeah maybe you've crossed that line well I think a flip side of that is simple things can be good for you that they don't have to be hard sure yeah no things don't have to be hard to be good for you a puppy smiling or licking you and playing with is good for you it's like literally like it's good for your body like when people play with puppies that happiness feeling that you get like what are you doing what are you doing that's actually really good for you all right well this new neighborhood I moved into in May there's a park Alura Park you wouldn't believe the number of dogs that are being walked around there there's these little tiny ones you know like I haven't lived in the city in a long time I haven't seen tiny dogs but man there's some tiny dogs out there yeah Jamie's got a tiny one he didn't bring them into today but Carl's a little maniac he's a little French poodle or French Bulldog he's like that big yeah they're cute he's adorable what does he weigh uh was 16 PBS now he's jacked yeah he sounds he really is jacked he's got a lot of muscles he's super aggressive not with people like not like real aggressive like playful he just wants to play constantly so I bring my dog who's a golden retriever who's the opposite he's just everybody's best friend if he meets you he's like you're my best friend he loves everybody and Carl just launches himself at him yeah the one dog I had was a mure Doxon and was a cute little dog he was tough he bared he bit he he he bit children that's not good that's not tough he's an [ __ ] boy that dog is an [ __ ] yeah that sucks well he lived 25 years whoa well if I Liv 25 years and I was a dog I probably start biting kids too get me out of here well you know toward the end he was wearing a diaper o um I had a Mastiff and they unfortunately don't live very long and towards the end I used to have to carry him outside to go to the bathroom he couldn't even walk that's the real bummer is that you just love these creatures so much and they only live 10 years 12 years 13 years you know well do you replace it no you never replace it you get another dog and you could always love other dogs I don't think there's anything wrong I
don't think it's like disrespectful to your dog to get a new dog when they die it it wants you to be happy well yeah it doesn't have anything to do with it it's dead it's about you like there's this is needless suffering do you love dogs do you miss having a dog get another dog like this idea you have to mourn your dog for a specific period of time like it's not a wife okay if your if your wife dies and then next Friday night you're on a date like that seems a little crazy like you should probably be sad for a long time but if your dog dies like come on man get another [ __ ] dog right well if it's your whole life you know I love dogs I would never want to not have a dog I just don't get it yeah those Mastiffs are big there he was a big fella but they get a lot of like real problems with their joints because it's just so much weight yeah Caren R out weight yeah yeah we were talking about Alaska and up in Fairbanks uh yeah I was a psychiatrist for the county for about a year boy yeah yeah it was amazing well it was interesting because I had kind of given up the idea of doing research and I thought I'll just you know practice Psychiatry my girlfriend back then wanted to be a wildlife biologist and perfect place for that yeah yeah they've got a great department at the University of Alaska in Fairbanks um yeah you so we spent two months driving up there from Sacramento just had a great time wow and uh then I started working up there for a it was for about a year cold the cold that the lowest it got down to was minus 49 one one day in February and you're from New Mexico well Los Angeles actually oh that time yeah yeah wow well it was snowing around h so I wasn't you know dressed for snow I'd never really lived in snow so what was it like the going from Los Angeles to minus 39 well I started to work on enjoying the dark uh like you know as a rule you know people don't like the dark but there's forest all around town and it's it's dark and especially in the winter there's 18 20 hours of pitch black that's so crazy yeah so I tried to imagine myself liking the dark and it wasn't all that successful I I I I lasted about a year is there a thing that happens like I I lived in Boston when I was a kid and uh one thing that it really does um benefit you with bad
weather is that when you have bad Winters you really love those Summers those summers are so special when me and my friends will like go out on a summer night it's like we it's like we were so happy it was warm out we're outside listening to music hanging out together Boston huh yeah um is that because you have family there well no my my family moved there when I was 13 so we moved uh we lived in Jamaica plane for a year and then we lived in Newton which is a suburb of Boston which is really it was a really nice cool place to grow up yeah um I was in the Bronx you for medical school oh yeah the Bronx New York and I lived in the city for about a year yeah it was it like it was great training yeah when you get well I'd imagine the the characters you'd meet M and the characters you'd meet in Alaska I bet you met a lot of people on the Run um you know I met a lot of Christians up up in Alaska really yeah yeah mostly well my patient population everybody a lot of the majority of people were pretty devout churchgoers and very strict about uh observance of the regulations in the Bible you know so it was a fairly um conservative type of City that's interesting like did they impose it on other people like what did they have a gay community up there uh they mostly imposed it on their kids yeah the family Dynamics up there were pretty stressful o you know L Like Cocaine too because it's so dark and people get so depressed oh man yeah well you know Fairbanks had a boom when they built the oil uh pipeline between prudo Bay and Anchorage and and so you Fairbank exploded in population and when I moved there it had been shrinking a bit it's got the university which is pretty cool up there and amazing Countryside huge Rivers just enormous Rivers the one outside of town was a good half mile across wow yeah yeah I went skiing out there once at 25 Below on the Frozen River it's like U this is pretty nice and I'm along the shore and there's a dark spot in the middle of the river and I I'm I'm curious I ski over to that dark spider's Open Water oh my God in the middle of a quarter mile you out there with your weight on skis so I you backed up yeah skied uh Back To The Shore and I felt really tired all of a sudden I looked I looked down at the snow and I thought
well maybe I could just take a little nap and I thought well you know I'm getting hypothermic let me run back to the car do you think that's what it was yeah it was it was funny I wasn't cold I wasn't you know shivering or anything but I just got really sleepy they say before you die you actually want to take your clothes off which is really crazy yeah yeah that's what I've heard like in in in the snow when you're freezing yeah yeah I kind of remember that and and the and you know the Bears up there are uh forc to contend with uh you know the grizzly bears oh yeah man yeah one of my uh friends up there was living in a cabin and a bear just stuck his Claus in the door pulled the door out of the frame of the house Jesus Christ and went into the refrigerator basically and uh kind of cleared that out so was it was he home uh up in his Loft yeah sleeping so he was awake while this was going on yeah yeah oh my God so it just smelled food it smelled food it smelled him yeah so and they don't abide by any rules They Don't Really Care uh about your door well you know when I was up there there I learned to shoot a shotgun it's called a bear stopper is a saw off uh you know shotgun you can carry with you if you're in the back country yeah you know so they're just a like a 12 gauge I think it was a 12 gauge do you have slugs in it or is it bu shot yeah oh no no it had Buckshot okay uh so does that make it a 12 gauge no it it's all depound uh the round so a slug is like a a chunk of lead and Buckshot is like a bunch of pellets right so the buck shot is like it scatters into a pattern and the further it is from the rifle barrel like how far you're shooting so you're shooting 20 yards it scatters quite a bit and it it makes a an area of impact about that big like a basketball sized yeah or maybe a little smaller than that but like a slug is a single object and it has a lot more force behind it so if you were shooting a bear I would want a slug I think uh it was a uh it was uh you you know shot um it's a deterrent though I mean you'll certainly deter them with buck shot yeah if you have a WID spray it will deter them I kind of remember although and this may be a wrong that one barrel had know Buckshot in it and the other had a slug okay that
makes sense yeah so you can slow down you probably shoot the first shot to try to slow him down and or to try to discourage them and if that doesn't work you the second one's lethal all right and they're much closer to you at that point yeah so is a pretty fun place to live in in some ways I think just that alone the environment just the fact that it gets that cold it's so dangerous everybody kind of has to stick together you have to help people if you see people strand on the side of the road you don't just pass them you have to help them a person might be dying in there and if you can get them out of there and get them to safety you're supposed to do that so people like bond together a little bit more up there well and there's also the Northern Lights which are just incredible oh yeah yeah the Reds and the greens and often did you see those every year uh pretty much every night in the winter and it was so quiet up there you could actually uh you know listen you know to the Northern Lights they'd hiss and crackle oh wow yeah it was pretty wild they hiss and crackle yeah what exactly is going on with the Northern Lights like what is that caused by the the magnetosphere and some solar rays like what is what is um might be Cosmic might be well it wouldn't be solar rays because it's dark right right yeah unless it's like something that like is coming around the earth yeah what are they Jamie are are they Cosmic race must be something yeah coronal mass ejections coronal mass ejection so solar and magnetic activity I guess there's reasons why they could be created I'm uh looking through this article that alone might be worth living up there for well in the winter if you or you could just spend a week up there in the winter and you know there all kinds of hot springs in the area too how hard is it to get around in the winter uh your car needs to be equipped there's these things called battery blankets that you put under your battery to keep it warm and there's an you heat it plug it in yeah it's it's uh you plugged into um traff you know to a parking meter or to the outside of a building yeah everybody keeps their vehicles you know plugged in during the day when they're at work you'd have to right you'd have to yeah and the other
um uh modification is an oil pan heater uh which is the same you know basic principle I it keeps the oil from turning into a solid block yeah you know when it gets really cold your tires are square what and it's really hard to drive around in for the first couple of miles they have to warm up uh you have to drive them slow to get them warmed up again cuz otherwise it like flatten down at the bottom where your car has been sitting right whoa yeah cold that makesense sense yeah isn't it amazing they still have to fill tires with air that seems like the stupidest thing like if you can get those people that are working on AI to just take a couple years off and figure out tires just take all these people that are making computers and figure out something that you don't have to put air in mhm um with you with my garden tools or my garden carts I used you know solid uh you know solid tires yeah but they're a lot heavier you know they never uh puncture well but there's a give factor with tires that's important to handling you know there's there's things that are going on dynamically with tires when you're going around corners and your car has grip you know especially if you're like if you're off-roading right they deflate their tires quite a bit to get more traction uh well and it also will um widens your footprint it widens your footprint so you won't get stuck in sand too yeah yeah I used to spend a lot of time in uh Death Valley oh wow driving around the s yeah and and then you know the Canyons you know to the East and to the west of the valley so I guess that's the benefit of air is that you can air them down and do stuff with them but it seems like the negative side of it of getting a flat and getting stuck in the middle of nowhere because you don't have any air in your tire that seems crazy yeah well speak so vulnerable yeah like the one thing of your car someone could CH to come by and go stab your tire and now your car is useless right so vulnerable yeah yeah flat tires um um so have you spent your time in Death Valley no no is it great well if you still like you still like to take psychedelics huh uh who doesn't like to take psychedelics yeah you the best place or one of the best places is is Death Valley that's what I've heard yeah
I I've had friends that have had mushroom experiences out there yeah yeah I've had some amazing exp it's huge first of all and it's really old there's rocks out there that are two billion years old really and you are you know tripping for example and you're you know touching these two billion years old uh two billion years old rocks and you really feel something that you don't feel anywhere else wow very slow moving it's the wind too there's great wind I I learn to watch the wind there you can see like a shrub like a hundred yards away and it's am man is moving and you can follow the wind as it goes up and down the canyon until it reaches you you see the particles it's carrying and stuff uh you know mostly the movement of the bushes the shrubs yeah um yeah I had a lot of Firsts in Death Valley like in a lot of ways I think I'm still working on some of those insights or those experiences which I had in my late teens early 20s isn't that kind of always the case though I I think we come up with our best ideas from 19 to 21 really I think so oh boy I'm in trouble then cuz I didn't have very many ideas well you must have had you know some experiences that steered you in a particular direction didn't you yeah I guess I did yeah but you know until I was uh 21 my whole life was uh martial arts just martial arts training so my you know anything that I was interested in was interested in to make that better so I'd read like The Book of five rings like mamot Sashi I'd read a lot of psychology books I read books on discipline I read a lot of different books on how to control your mind under stress and things along those lines yeah well it was a formative time then right yeah yeah yeah it was definitely formative in that way yeah and you absorbed a lot yeah I definitely absorbed a lot out of that it's just I didn't have hardly I had almost zero ideas outside of martial arts I didn't care what was going on in the world I was not paying attention to politics I was not paying attention to world events as long as we didn't go to war with Russia all I wanted to do was train yeah well and you look at you now well it opened
up the door for a lot of other stuff but at the time if you had asked me questions I would I would not have been a good person to talk to yeah what kind of questions wouldn't you have been able to answer back then well I've knew nothing about the world like nothing like I knew nothing about about other countries I knew nothing about the way politics work I didn't know I didn't have I had no interest in the economy I didn't care at all I didn't know how anything works I don't know the rules to any sports yeah I didn't know what's happening when a basketball game's going on unless the ball goes in the net I don't know the rules of football I don't I didn't know anything like most of my life because it was all I was thinking about was martial arts when I was young yeah it's like being a monk almost in a lot of ways it was yeah because uh the way we try the way we treated the gym like I remember I had this girlfriend in high school and she wanted to fool around uh at the gym and it was the dojang is what it's called but I I used to teach there and um I had keys so I was there and she wanted to fool around there I'm like there's no way you can't we can't do anything here it's like a church or a temple yeah like I was 17 18 years old however I was like kids are so horny like anytime you're alone you get a chance and she wants to do it and I was like we can't do it here this is not possible we can't do it in the locker room we can't do it in the premises like this is a church the ground you stand on is Holy Ground it was to me yeah CU to me it was like this this place is this is where I this is where I'm serious this is like a different place the rest of the world is the rest of the world but in this place I control myself I control the environment I I I exist by the rules and there very strict rules you bow even if no one was around I bowed to the flag every time I entered into the dojang to the flag always yeah what did that it was a Korean flag yeah yeah so what did it represent just represented respect respect for the country for the space that you're in like you're bowing before you enter this space like it didn't matter if it was a flag I wasn't really bowing to South Korea I was bowing to the idea that this is a very Sacred
Space that I'm going into yeah um in my Zen training over the years we did a lot of bowing uh to statues to people to images to photographs um you before we ate we would you know bow to the food yeah it's so lots of bowing uh it's an interesting experience to bow to really kind of get yourself together and lower your head and be humble to be you know like in the presence of something greater yeah I think it's beneficial for people I think uh that kind of voluntary humility is very important and if you can establish that as an ethic and sort of get it into your psychology well you know it's really important to be humble I've been studying about humility there's this this great line humility is the ladder through which one can grasp every other good thing oo that is great yeah yeah um I try to read this once a week and that really is great yeah and I'm going to be really humble I might be the most humble person than there ever was I like how you got that you've actually photocopied that like it's got the darkness where the binder is in the center yeah yeah it's a serious thing that's awesome that's awesome what a great quote Yeah it's like to not be humble it's like it's we like our sport stars to not be humble and that's about it everybody else we appreciate a little humility even sports stars you know Praise Jesus or something well I mean can you be too humble sure which would look like what well you can be too humble in the sense that you don't have confidence in your ability to do something that is uh sort of open some open-ended you don't know how it's going to turn out something where it's dangerous you're going to take a risk you have to be bold you have to you have to have enough confidence in yourself that you can navigate a thing that very few people navigate you know if you choose to start your own business if you choose to like quit what you're doing and go on a journey because you really feel compelled to do have other life experiences if you're too humble you might not be willing to bet on yourself and I think that would ultimately be bad yeah I think one of the things too about being too humble is you just suppress all of your feelings you you think you should have no feelings at all in other words you know responding to
things in your world in insults or harm being you know right so you can get in a bad relationship and have someone yelling at you all the time and you just you're humble you handle it well if you think you're humble you might not be able to handle it although you might pretend that you are well if you pretend long enough you become humble yeah you could become you know what I us always tell guys I say this whenever possible you should aspire to be the person you pretend to be when you're trying to get laid who do you who do you pretend to be when you're trying to get late pretend to be really interesting really nice really kind MH just wouldn't it be easier just be that person like but there's like a success aspect of uh the courtship thing where you want to like show your success which is anti-h humble yeah but you got to be careful doing it because then you look braggy but you want to like show the person that you're dating that you're valuable you're a person who can accomplish things but so many people just put on a show when they're meeting people like they're dating they put on a show they pretend to be someone who they're not like wouldn't it be better if you just become that person well I think that's one of the advantages of Zoom is there's no pressure when you first meet someone who who's having Zoom dates are people doing that I've done it fck you you freak it's a good move yeah it's like almost like a podcast well and you wouldn't necessarily feel the pressure to you know go to bed right away of course and you don't feel the pressure to like have to get out of the situation if it doesn't go well you can just kind of hang up bye yeah and you can if you meet somebody it's rough you don't want to just abandon them well you can keep it low profile too you could just be in your bathroom you know sitting on the toilet you know talking to your friend yeah yeah yeah keeping it low profile keeping it casual but like if you look at the numbers you seen the numbers of uh the way people met in the past versus today I think it's 25% meet online now and get married I think it's more than that oh wow I think it's a really high percentage of people who meet today meet
online but the thing is this this was a video so it showed like 1900s yeah where like everybody sort of met either through family or through church that kind of deal and then over time it becomes women enter the workplace and then people are meeting people at work and then the internet comes along it just yeah what do you think of arranged marriages well it sounds terrible it sounds like you don't have any choice and if you have domineering parents then your parents are going to match you up with somebody else's kid because they're friends with this guy and you know uh this this guy's son uh is looking for a wife and you're a lady that has a dad that tells you what to do and you're like what am I why I don't want to marry this guy I don't even know this guy well your parents would need to be Straight Shooters you want you would want to if your parents are Straight Shooters would they be doing an arranged marriage in in certain cultures yeah there are a lot of arranged marriages and I I think they do tend to work out I haven't looked at the data but they couldn't do worse than the marriage's you know success rate nowadays if you could leave a little pad of paper and a pen just lay it around so they could write you a note and no one knows about it what's what's really going on I bet it be like a message in the bottle like come save me help me how's Linda doing over there oh she loves it she loves this arranged marriage L's like save me she can't go anywhere where she gonna go if you're in the kind of controlling culture that even considers an arranged marriage mhm you I mean that's a very strict culture not saying it's negative but it's very strict and if you have great parents and they they're really wise in their choices and you're in a culture that has an arranged marriage and your parents are like super kind and generous and they trust you and they love you and they think you're amazing and then they want to hook you up with an amazing person maybe it can work out but generally I think you should give people the fre them to do whatever they want to do and maybe that lady never wants to get married maybe she's decided like I don't like how this is I want to throw myself into my work I want to travel the world I want to do this like you could do whatever the [ __ ] you want to do in
your ride yeah that wouldn't worked in those kinds of cultures no so I don't like that I don't like that I don't like anything where people are telling you what to do and that's what it arrange marriages is someone's telling you what to do if you can't say no I mean I don't know maybe I'm ignorant I should say like maybe an arranged marriage is a proposal like they propose it's arranged marriage and they both agree on it maybe if that's what you're into I I think that's the case that if there's no chemistry at all and the woman or the guy says forget it I'm not interested I think you're free to I would but I would guarantee you that's not always the case especially in some more restrictive parts of the world where women you know are forced to like follow completely different rules than the men that which is a you know a reality of the world we're living in today there's parts of the world where they think in our very archaic way and women are second class citizens uh I mean the mid East I mean look at that place it's it's just it it's a blaze yeah it's a blaze well I um have a good friend of mine who um came on the podcast recently he was talking about his experiences in Afghanistan and how crazy it is there and his like it's like you're going back in time a thousand years like the way women are treated and children are treated the amount of pedophiles and open molestation of boys and just yeah murder and why do you think at least in particular you know that Jerusalem is just you such a hot bed it's it's a point of contact and Conflict for all three major religions Islam Christianity and uh uh I mean Judaism all claim that small bit of land I wonder what it is about that that that part of the world well it's got to be from the Bible right I mean that's the the significance of it as Holy Land you know that the the concept of Holy Land is always so so it if there's a place where it it is literally in the Bible that this is the place where Jesus is going to return to MH well this is going to be a place for people do battle over like you you can't let the enemy control the place where Jesus comes back to cuz what if Jesus comes back and they immediately snuff them out because they're islamists right um well it goes even further back than
that you know it was the location of the temple the the Temple of the god of the Hebrews was built in Jerusalem the first and the second how much history is there like how far does it go back well you know Judaism began what maybe 4,000 years ago and the first temple was was built oh gosh I should know this um it stood for 400 years then it was destroyed and the second temple lasted around 400 years it was destroyed in uh 70 CE the second temple when was the first temple in existence Jamie so even if that's if that's the timeline so that we're we're looking at about 4,000 years right you know like Abraham you know the first of the Hebrews lived around 18 1800 BCE so 2000 BCE the first known mention of the city so that's 2000 2000 before current ERA in Middle Kingdom Egyptian ex how do you say that excretion extion texts what does that mean uh execration test execration oh oh uh curses curses yeah yeah really yeah execrations are curses extreme curses really yeah if you execrate someone you are really cursing them ancient Egyptian hieratic text listing the enemies of the Pharaoh most often the enemies of Egyptian state or Troublesome foreign neighbors the texts were most often written upon statuettes of bound foreigners yeah yeah BS or what was the other word it said there it said Bulls or it's blocked out execration texts yeah oh or blocks of clay or stone wow yeah I wouldn't want to be on the receiving and ofid Egyptian execration text Jesus how Wild yeah so Jerusalem is an old city and you know the temples were there a long long time ago um yeah and you know the location of the temples relates to dreams of Jacob who was laying on the ground and on a stone and you know made of a vow you know to God you know the god of the Hebrews who you know Jacob was was communing with to build the house of the Lord there uh and so you know there's a long history of it that uh part of the world being associated with the Patriarchs and with the temple you know Christianity has an association to Jerusalem because of of Jesus I'm not sure what the connection between Islam and Jerusalem is I it's
you know clearly more recent well isn't it always a sort of situation where when someone really likes a thing everybody wants it yeah you know uhuh well there's things called greed envy and jealousy yeah I've always you know liked the distinction among uh those three qualities here it says Jerusalem is revered by Muslims as the third holiest place on Earth and the pilgrimage to Jerusalem is viewed as an optimal uh optional rather compliment to the pilgrimage to mecra the Haj unlike the Hajj the pilgrim pilgrimage to Jerusalem is undertaken individually at any time of the year well you know I've never been to Israel now's not a good time no no and you know there's this thing called the Jerusalem complex yeah I've heard of that before you are like you think you're a messiah when you get there right I'm the Messiah right so you know that might be a problem you could see how it'd really be a problem if someone was inclined to that you know headed in that direction well I think you know one of the problems with the current psychedelic scene is this messianism you know that going to heal everything there'll be World Peace it'll be a Utopia there's also um I think a prevailance of this uh kind of spiritual narcissism that's oh good I'm glad you see that yeah it's important a prevailance of it it seems like there's a lot of people that um attach themselves to this thing and then use this to behave in a completely different way they behave like they're the per instead of a person who's experiencing it like everybody else they're like a leader right and I think there's a real danger in that expressing these thoughts to other people as pure facts you know the way to live your life like listen you don't know how stop okay there's ways there's ways you've learned to live your life better because of that you should be just talking about those experiences but when you start giving people instruction and how to do things and then you know organizing people together I think that's a symptom of this spiritual narcissism that people if you're attached to this you're attached to something Divine which we I think we both agree it is you can imagine that
you are Divine or you can project that you are Divine you know I think there's a temptation to do that well I think it strengthens pre-existing you for example a personality traits like you're saying like if you're narcissistic person and you trip you'll just get more enamored with yourself more convinced that what you think is true that seems terrible yeah well it's one of the dark sides of psychedelics that well that's weird right because as you were saying before like there's people that want to think it's like a cure all it's not necessarily it's a tool mhm and if it was a cure all it would have already cured us we would have been cured like thousands of years ago we would have people would have worked out all this nonsense right right I think it just works on what's already in your head you may not acknowledge it or think about it or even remember it and your psychedelics will shed light on what's already there well how about the Vikings right what the they would take mushrooms before they kill people the Berserkers yeah yeah the Berserkers well see I mean you could do anything you already you know believe in yeah yeah and something you're already you know you're already inclined to believe mhm you believe that it's good to go slaughter people well I think that's one of the interesting things about about you Brian your rescue's book is that I don't think these ideas came from the drugs I think they were just made more manifest more meaningful more real than they were before you know because of of the drugs you know so if you're a viking and you want to go out and kill if you're U living in a religious community with certain beliefs and you want to believe them even more firmly or practice more intensely uh you know psychedelics could have that effect that makes sense I mean again like we're talking about like the culture that you live in is that this is the view this the whatever the constraints of that culture this is the window in which you view the world you view it through this culture and you view it through these these belief systems that you have sort of adopted over time yeah I think that's what's going that's what's going on with the beings in the DMT world I I don't
think they are necessarily freestanding intelligences but you know they're the way our our culture our personal culture and our larger culture and en wrap in a visible in in a visible you know form certain information certain kinds of input either from the outside world or in your own mind you know so it's know culture specific I think you know the Visions uh you know that you would see I don't think they're like aliens from another planet although I kind of thought that in the beginning uh But as time has gone on and I've heard more and more stories I'm more inclined to believe these are simply you projections you know taking the Garb of uh you know the personal you know millu yeah maybe that's the problem the problem is yeah maybe because like you can go down there that road and just decide oh no no no what these are these are thoughts and thoughts have a consciousness of their own and we think of them as being independent like that they're just created by the human mind but no the human mind's probably tuning into these things and they can appear as entities I think thoughts might be a living thing um well they could sounds stupid to say out loud yeah but the idea is everything that exists on Earth that humans have created every single one of them came from an idea M which is weird because it's had so much of an impact so much of an impact on the world well you know one of the ideas in the in the medieval uh you philosophers was that is that you know thought or you know thoughts are intermediaries between you and God you angels with which are exchanged between you and some Divine external you know source of information you know so if you're thinking of how thoughts have directed The World's you know growth I mean you could even extrapolate to well you know maybe it's you know the Divine uh you know plan you know for Humanity well there's certainly something going on if you just if you objectively just step outside of human culture and just watch the world it's certainly moving in a very specific Direction and that direction is Tech very much technologically driven there's something really crazy going on in a in a technological Direction and then all that stuff is coming from ideas so ideas
are popping into people's heads they're over the course of hundreds and thousands of years these ideas are propagated and given to other people and they expand upon them and then more ideas take place and then more execution of these ideas and it changes the landscape and changes the ocean it changes the Seas it's very very weird well I think it's a you case of cause and effect um certain you know causes produce certain effects and the rules of nature let's say or the rules of of thought you know like how the brain creates thought you know they are you know regulated in a particular manner you know there's an order to chemistry certain chemical re reactions occur for this or that reason you know so um it's as if you the system um is already set up to encourage certain behaviors have certain ones certain ideas form and other ones not form you know cause an effect if you you know like if something you know bad happens to you it's because of what happened before something good happens to you it's because of what happened before you so you learn from your experience to do things things that result in you feeling better you know positive outcome you know so you the system is is is developed that way that you know that for example if if you get angry you might stub your toe you know that's how it works and you're in pain and you think oh I shouldn't be angry or you're nice to someone and they're nice to you as opposed to being mean to you so you know I think you know the world I think existence set up in a certain way to encourage certain Behavior and discourage others you that's what it's weird um I think you know the technological stuff is uh pretty interesting now yeah you know but it be speaks like a you know larger you phenomenon uh which is you know how you know cause and effect has been set up well it's how cause and effect has been set up but it's also there's a there's a very weird competitive drive towards technological innovation that exists of people because it's attached to monetary gain right and the companies that are involved in the most technological sophisticated work whether it's AI or whether it's uh social media like when you're programming things in giant scale it's incredibly profitable incredibly
profitable and the technology moves along with the profit and ultimately it's going to make a being it's pretty close pretty close to making a being yeah yeah well I think the future lies as much in um you know genetic engineering as well oh yeah it's not like it's binary right it's not like it's one thing or nothing yeah I think the you know biological and manipulation and the AI you know development is going to be it's I think it's going to produce a hybrid 100% I think so too I think that's the only way we live I think we have to like accept the fact that they're here right join them because I think as biological meat Vehicles we're just too limited our evolution is too slow you know it's like we're like if you decided to run your entire business on a laptop from 1995 like it's too slow you can't do that anymore like you have to catch up if you want to be a part of this world today and that's not that long 1995 is 29 years ago which is crazy that's not that long ago that that laptop's useless yeah so in what kind of ways has AI impacted you it it hasn't yeah it hasn't impacted well it has in visually I've seen a lot of like really wild things online um there's a bunch of them like there's one that I posted that some guy made it's uh Donald Trump playing Credence Clearwater Revival on a guitar pull it off on my Instagram you should see this and and KLA Harris is in it and and um U mcon from or Justin Trudeau's in it it but it's it's so realistic I mean it's obviously not like you look look at he like I know it's not really them but it's so close it's weird do you like Credence love Credence yeah I love Credence and uh it's a Fortunate Son so it's a banger song yeah yeah that's a great song which is it's Donald Trump you see Donald Trump playing guitar I Ain no Senator son um it's pretty recent scroll down um keep going there it is okay give me some volume look at Putin's on the drums Kel Harris is wearing a witch hat look at that guy come on man give me volum oh we can't we get in trouble with the the YouTube police look at that Kim Jun Biden this is crazy look how good this is though yeah yeah I mean it's not quite good enough where you can't tell
that it's AI generated but it's unbelievably close yeah Obama's The Joker how bizarre yeah it's so weird right isn't it weird yeah it is hilarious it's scary though it is and uh Jamie was just talking about Sora that there's a new version of Sora that was released was it today yeah I'm waiting for it to sh up my account but yeah everybody who's got open ey can use S Sora is uh s o r a is a new um video generator through AI so you put in prompts so so show him the Japanese one I'm going to show so this [ __ ] or what is there new stuff there's all sorts of stuff yeah okay so the Japanese one was incredible so it's like show me a street in Japan where the snow's falling and uh you know like a drone shot from overhead so you see these people and it looks entirely like a real scene all yeah so this is it looks absolutely like someone n months old so this is just older stuff but it's like a prompt for puppies in snow look at this who doesn't like puppies who doesn't like puppies but that's fake this is what's crazy like this is all generated by Ai and it's pretty indistinguishable yeah I mean look at this this is all AI whoa nuts good thing I'm not on drugs I know you'd be like what look at this this is AI yeah incredible that's insane this is a waves hitting the Rocks yeah a movie trailer and you know actors are [ __ ] like they're real trouble cuz you can make movies like this now well so are writers writers are [ __ ] yeah I don't think writers are as [ __ ] as actors are though cuz some writers like you you know there's the Quinton Tarantino of the world that are just going to take turns because of just his own psychology that you're not going to take you know like or Stephen King when he was younger like I don't think you're ever going to be able to write Carrie on a on a computer you know I think I think you need The Human Experience for some stuff that's cre creative but not for the video Yeah well it touches upon creativity like is creativity the difference between Ai and humans well maybe it's not that's what's really scary because we like to think that's the one thing that we have above AI is we're creative well yeah great get it to write a beetle song what if it writes a way better Beetle song Than the Beatles
could ever write you know what if it knows what's really going to move you you know what if it write writes a Cheryl Crow song that makes you cry you know uh then you're [ __ ] then it's exmachina they didn't know did you ever see X makina yeah I love that movie yeah that was pretty great one of our top 10 all-time favorite movies cuz it's it so rang true like there was not a moment in that movie I was like [ __ ] get out of here it's so rank true that that thing that they would be able to manipulate you super easily especially if you a young man and you're you know awkward with women and it's this perfect woman that just happens to be robot like who cares if she's a robot yeah well that's funny uh the version of The Thing by John Carpenter is my it was one of my favorite movies oh that was great yeah you know they're both body Horror in a way yeah sort of right because you know the robot isn't human you know that's horrible right or it's pretending to be though and it's tricking you just like the thing just like the thing did yeah yeah yeah the John carpent one is awesome yeah yeah like I've watched that twice and both times I regretted it because every time I closed my eyes there would be visions of these these like mutations happening yeah and that was another one that was up in the freezing cold yeah trapped up there there's a new one of that they did in the I think the early 2000s it was pretty good yeah it was the prequel apparently yeah was it yeah well they used a lot of CGI rather than practical effects like the carpenter version did right yeah right which makes it for whatever reason not The Uncanny Valley you don't really think it's happening seems kind of fake yeah when they use the visual effects like I've had Rick Baker on the podcast oh really wow yeah and um you know uh like things like the American Werewolf in London he used like a real physical thing and it looks like a physical thing this this you know robot or whatever it is it bites a person this thing that he's pushing towards you it looks real and can you only see it for a brief second but your brain registers that's a physical thing whereas if you see the video your brain registers well that looks cool but I don't think it's really there yeah yeah it's a visual effect it's not a
a practical effect right exactly and you have to there's a suspension of disbelief right like uh do you ever see I Am Legend it's a good example of it yeah I Am Legend was cool but it was like 20 what when was that when was Am Legend 2004 right is that about right seven seven okay back then they weren't that good so there's a scene where the lions are in the park like in the streets like they have Lions out there cuz the civilization's collapsed the zoo open it looks so fake yeah well um um can you see like an intersection between Ai and psychedelics like you know could you give uh you know you could you give a robot LSD or you know something like it well no what I was going to say is I think AI can give you some and McKenna actually talked about this as well that he believed that with virtual reality and uh computer simulations of trips it will get to a point of sophistication where you can visually simulate exactly what a psychedelic trip is you know and then there becomes this real possibility within our lifetime of recording dreams now if you can record a dream can you record a psychedelic State sure I mean why not yeah right if they can I mean I don't know how far away they are let's say they're 50 years away from being able to do do something like this but if they can map out all of the synapse in your brain and all of the the different neurochemistry that's going on if they can map that out and then attach it to some sort of a some ability to visually record what you're experiencing and they can then have something like through a neuro implant like neurolink or something like that and then completely put you in the exact state that this person is having when they're on nine grams of mushrooms that that totally seems like if we can send video through the sky and it lands on your phone it looks perfect I think that's doable I think that's doable within x amount of years I mean I it's not a thing like cloning people through a a printer like that's too far away but I think the the idea of recording your thoughts and then figuring out what causes different reactions inside people's mind how your visual cortex uh interplays with all these different chemicals that are going on inside of your brain yeah I think it
could be a mass telepathic experience like if everybody was you sharing the same experience at the same time yeah well I think that definitely I think that definitely and definitely the possibility of a completely universal language especially if we can enhance our brains so if what what they're talking about with neuralink is you know multiple steps of uh implic of of use right multiple steps of um the way they're going to have this first they're going to use it for people that are disabled like we had the guy in here was the very first neuralink patient oh very cool it was very cool he um plays video games and he's like his his eyes are like an Aimbot so wherever he looks at it shoots cuz like he can he can move his eye instead of hand eye coordination it's just eye coordination so he knows exactly so it's like instantaneous visuals on things so he's like really good at video games with this and that's better than not having that so he plays better with the neuralink than a person like myself would with just hand eye coordination yeah so you would imagine that if it can do that better the next thing it's going to be able to do is restore vision and if they can restore vision and then they can create artificial eyes you can have things like night vision you can have thermal imagery you're going to be able to do things with your eyes that a biological eye can't do and we might get to the point within you know our lifetime or grandchildren's lifetime where people get rid of their eyes really quick cuz your eyes are [ __ ] like your eyes don't even see through walls like what do you these stupid [ __ ] biological eyes and then the next thing you know you've got something that enhances your brain and gives you uh complete access to the internet instantaneously just through the mind just through this implant and through the mind and then everybody gets together and says listen um I would like to learn Swahili I'd like to learn Portuguese and Chinese I don't have the time no one has the time to learn 190 languages or whatever there are out there why don't we all just create one universal language uh would you think people would want that I don't think leaders would want that yeah because it
would lead to you know everybody talking with everybody else I don't think Russia would be down with that they'd probably censor it well there was a time you know back in you know the you know the Tower of Babel every Everybody spoke one language one tongue mhm and you look what they did they just built a big tower and you God looked down and said you know they have one language and one tongue and look at what they do do you what do you think like when you think of biblical stories what do I mean I've I I've spent far too much time speculating about the origins but I'd like to know like what do you think that was well I think the stories could be seen as if they were real you know kind of like the DMT world at a certain point had to look at the DMT world as if it were real otherwise I would suggest it was you know something else it was psychoanalytic psychodynamic stuff it was yungi and archetypes it was your brain on drugs but if I you took as an act of faith that it was a real world I treated it as if it were real and you that's the way I approach the Bible the Bible stories as if they were real like it if if if you read it carefully it's a very coherent you know picture of U creation of history of the relationship between the spiritual and human worlds um and uh if you just enter it rather than interpret it as you know something else uh then it starts opening up uh in in a way that is quite interesting like you for example the flood or well you know for example you know the Tower of Babel yeah um you know like if you look at the you preceding chapters After the flood you know God told man to spread out you know to populate the world because it was just Noah and his family after the flood and then they had children and you know you the you know you know the directive was just was was to repopulate the Earth right and instead you know they built this Tower um you know so you know people kind of Wonder you know why was the generation of the tower you know punished as it were by being dispersed and their languages were confused um but um yeah you know so it's a it it's a c it's a you know cohesive whole you know the stories you build upon each other uh you know there's history uh certain things occurred because of the behavior of certain people certain ideas certain
practices yeah you know so it isn't as if it were you know something else other than what you're reading and that makes it important to understand the language it's written in you which is Hebrew you know so if if you really want to understand at least the Hebrew Bible what some call the Old Testament you really need um um to know the Hebrew language because you can make the translation for yourself um you know they say all translation is interpretation right you know so if you know the language directly you can then make your own interpretation yeah ancient Hebrew would be the most fascinating one to read it in it's incredible understand it yeah I I you read it yeah I retaught myself Biblical Hebrew in W how long did that take oh I don't know 16 years maybe that's incredible well you have these big old dictionaries right these concordances um yeah and each of the words has a three-letter root right yeah and uh you know just depending on context they can mean a lot of different things right and every time they appear for the first time I would you know scribble in the margin of the text you know what this means so you selftaught yeah yeah well as as a kid I took I went to Hebrew school a few hours every week and I learned conversational Hebrew at modern Hebrew you know so that gave me a leg up when I started learning Biblical Hebrew how different is Biblical Hebrew from conversational Hebrew uh very different they're really Byzantine word forms and grammar and uh words that appear once and never again uh in you the biblical version of Hebrew right one word appears one uh you know once in the whole uh you know 22 books of text what's the word oh well there's a number of those words oh wow yeah yeah they're called they're called hapaxes whoa ha a p a x yeah they appear only one time in the text they have to figure out what what that means whoa can you guess because of context yeah you can guess because of context you can also uh you can guess because of neighboring languages um like hittite or a Cadian or Phoenician or Sumerian oh wow yeah you so it's an amazing language I love the Hebrew language that's one of the things that really got me hooked it's very you
know it's extremely rational but it's really telegraphic too you could write one word that may uh encapsulate the meaning of six or eight words you could put together a Biblical Hebrew word for example that might say I found let's see boy I'd really have to think that through but you can uh you can combine a lot of ideas in one single word you that's you know the gist of it so when we're thinking about the world and we're using words we're confined by the way the English language interprets the world exactly yeah and that's one of the things I loved learning about you Biblical Hebrew is it you know the grammatical forms uh open a window to parts of reality that just are ignored all of the time you know there's a notion of the reflexive tense uh which means uh you're doing something to yourself so for example you might say I sat down or I sat myself down and I sat myself down as you know the reflexive I and I sat down as what's you know called the perfect yeah you know so the convolutions of grammar really open Windows to you know views of your relationships uh that were invisible before and if you were using this and you reading these Ancient Ancient stories and trying to interpret them and then trying to break it down into English or Greek or Latin or whatever they did uh the first translation was um Greek and after that Latin have you ever done any reading of the Dead Sea Scrolls you know I haven't really I read about them but I haven't read any of the Scrolls themselves you know one of my longstanding projects is a translation and commentary on Genesis a book of Genesis it's 1200 pages so far whoa yeah yeah so I'm not sure how I'm going to ever get you know that you published but I think if I you could condense it to you know something more manageable it would be an interesting read for people so what are you doing with it what are you doing with this like when when you set out what was your goal well it was an expedient kind of reaction I was you scribbling notes into the margins of my copy of of the Book of Genesis and there was just no more room so I said I got to put this into a Word file yeah so I'm going put it into a Word file and it was pretty big yeah so I'm still working through well
there's all these commentaries to the text you can't you know know the score without a score you know without a program yeah you know so there's a lot of very interesting and intelligent you commentators so those would be a lot of the notes that I would write down and I was compiling all of these interesting perspectives on the text wow um so are you read reading it in ancient Hebrew yeah oh wow and I'm both um doing my own translation and on you know collating you know the commentaries from 20 or you know 30 different uh uh you know commentators so when you're doing your own translating are you comparing it to other translations and seeing how other people interpreted it um you know mostly other Jewish translations are there but there are there a lot of of straight from ancient Hebrew to English or is it a lot of like to Greek and then to Latin and then to engl like how how were they usually done um or how were they originally done well the first translation was to Aramaic um and then to Greek and then I think to either Arabic or to Latin so the first translation was the Dead Sea Scrolls as far as we know well the translation of the Bible itself uh you know the the five books the first five books and then the intervening you 17 the prophets and whatnot you know those uh were you know translated into you different languages you know book to book you know the Dead Sea Scrolls are both you know books of the Bible with slight modifications or completely independent uh you kinds of text how many of them are books of the Bible how many of the stories uh I think Isaiah was found in the dead sea caves um maybe some Ezekiel maybe some Leviticus you know you know like a number you but not the whole uh was Ezekiel the same as it was in the Old Testament mostly mostly there are modifications though with you know the Dead Sea translations you know versus the ones we read today ezekiel's the wildest Ezekiel really got me hooked on the whole DMT endogenous spiritual experience kind of uh Motif yeah the visions of Ezekiel chapter 1 yeah I mean there's you know there's this you know roaring sound and falls down and Angel picks him up and there's like uh you know blue ice above and a roaring sound a wheel within a wheel the wheels and and the angels with the wings and the
eyes on their wings it's completely DMT like yeah yeah uh yeah I mean I was really impressed with the overlap of the two sets of experiences the UFO Community latches on to Ezekiel as well yeah you know the the depictions I was I saw an image today I should have should have saved it and sent it to Jamie but it was Angels it was an a visual interpretation like a drawing of angels as described in the Bible and these angels look like flying crafts they look like flying geometric patterns yeah um I'm trying to remember as a German guy I think who was really into yeah this that's Vision what I saw today but it was something like that it was something like that that was what it was Jamie yeah that's exactly what it was with a gyroscope yeah like this is uh angels as described in the Bible yeah yeah the four you the four faces a lion a bear a man and an eagle um who is that drawing by I don't know just a chariot vision of Ezekiel van danin or something oh Eric Von danan that guy yeah I think is that no no that can't be it I think that that's just an an old art piece see go go to um the wikkipedia again Jamie so we can get the description it didn't have anything it just said it was a typical traditional depiction okay so it doesn't say who yeah like a wood cutting of some sort kind of how it was described it's the Von danan thing it's fascinating I had uh lunch with him once where um Peter Teal's house oh cool yeah so uh Eric Weinstein said hey would like you to come to this lunch we're going to do with Eric Von danin you know a lot about that guy stuff I'm like oh I know everything about that guy stuff like I've seen Chariots of the Gods like [ __ ] 10 times I've watched a hundred interviews with this guy it's very he's like all in on the idea that UFOs created all this stuff and they're all flying Spacemen and well who created the UFOs that's a real good question he doesn't have that yeah information yeah that's the first question I would ask him but it's uh you know it's an he's he's a very nice guy I don't say anything bad about him and I really enjoyed charot of the Gods it's a fun movie it's like have you ever seen it uh no it's wonderful it's from like 1976 I
played in the movie theaters I remember when it came out what year is uh Chariots of the Gods it's pretty old but uh in it you know he's all in on everything being evidence that UFOs were here and a lot of like real sketchy Connections in my opinion mhm I'm more inclined to uh go the Graham Hancock Randle Carlson route I think there was a very sophisticated civilization that existed like uh yeah what year 7 70 damn uh but we I saw in the movie theater when I was a little kid yeah but um I think that it's There's real evidence that there was a sophisticated civilization that the Egyptian pyramids are enough it's just like whatever the hell was going on there that there was an insanely sophisticated civilization that existed 4,500 years ago at least and probably went back quite a bit further than that you know according to their hieroglyphs it went back 30,000 years you know and whatever was going on there was pretty incredible and uh I think to just say that the aliens did it it seems a little a little silly cuz there's no evidence that the aliens did it there's evidence that there was people around back then yeah it's the case of aam's Razer you know the most uh you sensible explanation is probably the most likely yeah but then there's also so many stories of us being visited in almost every ancient culture well you know is that like being visited or just the experience of being visited are they the same thing well one would be you know physically manifest and the other would just be manifest in in the mind well I think uh a lot of people are starting to lean in this general direction of that of that perhaps we're trying to uh measure something that cannot be measured perhaps we're trying to like put something on a scale that does not necessarily physically exist but also has the attributes of something that physically exists or or they can manifest something that physically exists but what it's a it's kind of an illusion and the whole thing is kind of going on simultaneously interdimensionally and that this is why we struggle with our definitions and our just our overall acceptance of even the possibility of it being real I mean people I think most people when you talk to them about UFOs if they don't have
any skin in the game they'll tell you they believe UFOs they'll tell you we think they think we've been visited because it's fun but if you said to them if you had to bet everything you have everything you have on the government has recovered crashed UFOs and that they visit us and they come from you know the pady star system and and they've been here from the beginning of time or there's weird conscious experiences weird we weird doors portals of Consciousness that open up that allow you to see things that might not not necessarily be physically measurable but also real mhm and that these things are what everybody's talking about in these ancient religious stories these things are things that people are talking about when they claim they've been abducted by UFOs then something landed and and even like the physical remnants of these crafts that might all of it might be just a part of this very bizarre psychic experiment that's going on that as the Mind expands its ability to understand other Realms and as the like you have to think of you don't have to but the way I think of it is like we didn't used to be able to see so it was an emerging trait of single celled organisms no sight if you believe in evolution it goes to multi-celled organisms eventually goes to site so it's an emerging part of being a living thing that you can see then language we didn't used to be able to talk now we talk freely so there was an emerging thing an ability that human beings had and I think Consciousness psychic ability precognition remote viewing all this stuff for most people that's a nonsense thought but I think the thought is so prevalent in so many different cultures psychic phenomena is discussed ubiquitously on in every corner of the world and I think it's probably an emerging part of being a human being well do you think it's biologically based it it would need to be if it were you know Universal like that chemically based biologically based I'm sure it probably has a lot to do with the diet of the the creatures right I mean if if if humans are consistently if they're in the Amazon you're consistently uh taking iasa and eating mushrooms and having rituals you're probably in that realm more often than a regular person who
eats McDonald's and drinks coffee at Starbucks and is stressed out because they work all day and is on ssris you're probably not getting much of that at all there's a lot of telepathy I think that occurs in those kinds of cultures you know they share dreams and they share Visions it's very interesting well you know that that's what they tried to initially call Haring when they discovered it they tried to call it telepathine telepathine exactly right right but it already existed under the definition under the the nomenclature they called it harming so they had to like okay well it's already named too bad cool to call it telepathine uh right it was you know synthesized by somebody and got that name yeah but the people that were experiencing it then when they wanted to name it telepathy they were they wanted to name it that because they were experiencing telepathic right they were having these weird experiences where they were sharing moments shared Visions yeah yeah well I think you can share Visions just like you can share thoughts you know you can um or you share feelings I think just a little more complex the thing about that is if it's local and there's other communication right if you're both in the same room and like your friend says not the pyramid like I see the pyramid now you know you know what I mean yeah or if you guys are nowhere near each other you can't hear each other you can't and then you independently write down what you experienced and then that person says that's exact and they have the exact same thing so they have no interaction with you before they write down what they experienced or recorded or what have you but they're the same they're having the same thing yeah do you know of rert sheldrake's work yes yeah yeah I've had rert on you have okay great yeah so he's spoken to you about his morphic residence his morphic residence and his and these large scale experiments with a lot of you know people from the public they you know see you know like they will make you know cold calls and people are expecting them um you know the dog knows it's going to come your own the owner is going to come home much you know sooner or at a different time than it's normal and they cons sensed and they're ready yeah yeah
you so there is you know like awareness at a distance seems to be uh but I you know I think it also must occur between people or things which have already got a strong relationship yeah like rats when they teach them how to do a maze on the East Coast they figure out how to do it quicker on the West Coast you seen those right yeah yeah and you know Crystal formation I was you know thinking about a dream I had once of my washing machine I was traveling uh and I had a dream about my washing machine that stopped working and I you know called home and I said you know how's the washer and she said it's broken I spoke to rert and I said you know can you explain that and he said you must have a strong relationship to your washing machine well yeah kind of Mak sense I mean cross species you cross life forms almost uh your communication well I mean do you think things would work out if there were universal language or I mean would we just you know build a tower of you know Babel all over again or would we like do something you know good you know for everyone I think we have the potential now because we're we're no if if we can develop un language when you have you have real communication with people globally that's never existed before instantaneous real communication through devices that's never existed so that's a different Factor when you consider a universal language so if you have real communication with people then you have universal language and then here's the big one the ability to detect deception so if we really are all communicating through some sort of neural implant and we really are doing this telepath telepathically with a a universal language and we're experiencing each other's Consciousness in a way that eliminates all possibility of deception you can see Envy greed anger we you can see these things into people's thoughts if this becomes a possibility and I think it's within the realm of science I think it's within the realm of technological possibility when that does happen it will mean a very different thing to be a human being and I think it could be one of the greatest things that's ever happened because it would force us to only communicate at a a
higher level you you there would be no benefit in bullshitting anymore it would be the opposite it would actually be detrimental you would be ostracized no one would want to communicate with you anymore well you'd be speaking the truth all the time all the time yeah there'd be no more lying no more lying impossible to lie which I think is fascinating I don't think that would work why not well I mean there are some lies that are told for the sake of peace right but what are the parameters like what are the confines of our society and of our just geopolitically lo you know in terms of environments We Exist like why why why what what lies would be good for peace they wouldn't be better if everybody just knew exactly what was going on well if everybody knew exactly what was going on that would be you something different but I think you know in the meantime um there are some you know some benefits you know to White Lies sure as a human being right with a limited as limited ability to communicate and um you know you don't want to hurt anybody's feelings sure yeah but if you're not a human being anymore essentially you're a cyborg and you're connected through a neuralink to the whole world there's going to be zero benefit in lying right well you're you know suggesting a new species of man I am suggesting a new species of man yeah um one of my you know favorite books is called first and last men it's by Olaf stapledon he's a British science fiction writer from the 1930s 1940s and he describes 19 species of man that extends over two billion years and the final species is living on one of the outer planets they live 35,000 years because that's how long it takes you to learn everything and every so often they all communicate telepathically around the whole globe and it's like this big event obviously it happens every whatever 20,000 years who yeah and they work up to it yes it's an inspiring book actually it's one of my favorite um you know what another more controvers IAL thought that I have about all this stuff is that ultimately the big bottleneck um with information is going to be money because money right now is just ones and zeros right money is just information on it's
just you we agree that you have X amount of dollars here you have that's we agree you know that's not a gold standard anymore so it's not backed by anything it's just a weird thing so that's that's information the trend with technology is we have more and more access to information and ultimately we're going to have instantaneous access to information but then we have this money thing we have money which is and and as people get better and better at cracking encoding like you're you're not going to have encrypted money you're not going to have encrypted information it's not going to be possible especially when Quantum Computing becomes ubiquitous like when we're all operating off this like it's all done and if this happens at the same time when we're all sharing our thoughts impossible to lie and then universal language and money so then you have an even distribution of resources that's not based at all on capitalism it's an abandonment of capitalism not but not in like a Marxist communist way in sort of a practic IAL utilitarian way to deal with the fact that everybody's communicating with everybody instantaneously you can't have a guy who lives in a [ __ ] castle and another guy lives in a flla with a dirt floor and no food if we're all existing as one well it would require a change in human nature yeah well human nature won't be human nature once this happens whatever you think of human nature is of now it's like you can tell me something I don't know if you're telling me the truth I can kind of guess I have a feeling but I don't know so that makes progress slow well do you think that you know that the technology will change human nature of course or yeah definitely yeah yeah but just by Design if you if you're communicating telepathically and you can instantaneously detect it it makes deception impossible right because you're only able to like express your thoughts yeah I I have a feeling that won't be very popular well it won't be popular with the kind of humans that exist today right you know so will the human nature have to change first before there's a agreement to undertake that I think it'll change with it but one of the good things is we might be able to completely eliminate things like depression Suicidal Thoughts all mental
illnesses maybe we could recognize that these are simply patterns in the way this thing operates and if you just optimize it it no longer has these patterns if everybody has like this increased level of dopamine for example yeah yeah yeah like everybody just increased dopamine 300% well and increased oxytocin yes you everybody loves everybody everybody loves every we're walking around a state of tripping we're all in ecstasy together just a low level where you're functional you're not going to crash your car right but you probably won't have cars anymore anyway they'll be driving you around well an interesting you know thought is you know maybe you can increase levels of endogenous DMT in everyone genetically sure or on Q like whenever you'd want it yeah I think you know the Rapture may have a biological uh you know basis in that regard like it's a you know timed event right uh which is worldwide that turns on the DMT synthesizing uh machinery and everybody just conects all the minds together yeah in the universal language and it's one big blowout and we emerge from our violent monkey past mhm and become the next version of what it means to be a human being well which should be non-material you know the DMT world is non-material right it's visual so we might just transcend into some like I think everybody you know in this you kind of scenario everybody would drop dead but isn't it more than visual it's visual in the sense that you experience it with your eyes but your brain is experiencing something too you just don't know what to do with it you don't know where it goes so you say it's visual I'm seeing it but you're not just seeing it you're experiencing it well I think it's the world made of light I think that's you know the way and you know and we perceive light through the eyes it's visually uh you know experienced Perce right but whenever you having a visual with your eyes closed it's tough to call it a visual I mean obviously it's interacting with that part of your brain right well you call it that after the fact after you come down you know when you're drinking the Coke but have you ever opened your eyes on DMT there was this uh video I was watching the other day online where these people they they put
them on DMT and then they uh had lasers the the red laser effect yes tell me about that yeah I just found out about it a couple days ago and you you just found out about it that's crazy I just found out about it a couple days ago yeah um yeah a friend is putting together a piece on that phenomenon and he wanted my opinion can you explain it to people what they're experiencing uh well I think what happens and you know this is just a very cursory assessment of the of the project but uh you people smoke DMT and then they project this white or this um this um they project a red laser onto the wall and if you look very carefully at it from what I understand you can see the Matrix you seen code in the laser mhm yeah yeah uh can we take a a bit of a break yeah for sure yeah we take a bit of a break ladies and gentlemen we'll be right back it's not that he doesn't have faults he most certainly has faults but they all have faults it's just they had control of the media and they turned him into something that he wasn't just 10 years ago to them very strange how it was done yeah you know and we all were a victim of it everybody like you don't want to admit that he has any positive quality so you get labeled a Nazi yeah well and why do you think that happened well because he is an outsid and he is someone who uh did not come through the political system so doesn't have all these relationships and all of these intertwined conflictions with corporations and all these different businesses that have paid for his campaign the campaign self- financed and then you have someone who didn't play the game to get in there and you can't have that you can't have that if you if you have that and this guy doesn't want Wars he doesn't want us giving money to foreign companies and foreign countries and propping up dictators we can't have that we need that that's part of the American machine that's how it all works the military industrial complex it's real yeah it's it's been real for a long time I mean when Eisenhower talked about it on television at the end of his term it's it's kind of a crazy moment in history that was just broadcast on television and wasn't really Revisited until YouTube came around it was ignored yeah yeah it was uh um you know conveniently ignored yeah yeah yeah um I
think uh with RFK Jr when he gets in we have uh a real possibility of opening up psychedelic treatment for veterans which I think is the best way to start it off because they're the most deserving of it they're the people we ask of the most and there's been a lot of people that have had some pretty profound changes uh take place because of psychedelic experiences I think it's going to need to be scaled and what that scaling up looks like still isn't really worked out right I I think they should develop special clinics uh you know where you wouldn't actually be doing research and you wouldn't need incredibly uh strong data to justify that kind of treatment you would just need an indication that was helpful right and have specialized uh therapist pure drug it wouldn't be schedule one kind of you super restrictive research but it wouldn't be just a wild west anybody and and anything goes I think there needs to be some kind of middle uh institutional development where you know a lot of people can go who would benefit from psychedelic assisted therapy and yeah yeah the Vets Mak sense you know so many homeless people I'm our veterans like in Albuquerque there's an enormous homeless population and a large number of them are vets they're really not treated all that well no no they're not and um it's not like this idea of not having robust clinical research to show efficacy like on a physiological level that doesn't really exist with ssris anyway and they're already prescribing them like there's so much anecdotal story so many of them of guys going to Mexico taking ibaan uh taking DMT psilocybin experiences and coming back and just like sorted their life out uh it's amazing a couple of weeks ago we were at a conference up in Denver and I was you know doing some you book signing um you some guy my generation uh uh you came up to me and he you know told the story after he returned from Vietnam he was using basically every drug uh in a bad way bad drugs in a bad way and he smoked DMT one day stopped using everything he even moved to live across the street from a liquor store to be able to you know demonstrate that he had that willpower that had just changed with one DMT experience to resist any
future drinking wow yeah you know so those kinds of stories you just can't ignore you there's too many of them and I've I know I have personal friends that have gone through it and changed their life quit drinking got their [ __ ] together became a much nicer person like sometimes people are just burdened by the stress of what they've experienced especially War which is the most horrific thing that people can EXP experience you're burdened by this and sometimes they don't know how to shut those demons off they don't know how to shut it off and something can come along whether it's uh a DMT experience iasa ibaan there's a bunch of different anecdotal stories that I've heard of different things I I was reading something about Colorado today Colorado is doing some new psilocybin research thing where they're they're opening up clinics now yeah yeah yeah they're going to be opening up these healing clinics which will be more or less you know based on the Oregon model um you license the therapists you you know have to account for your supply of drugs and you know quality control those kinds of things I would worry about that like we're talking about like control and that's where you would open up the door to potential spiritual narcissism like you could see someone starting a nice cult that way well he who controls the mushrooms who controls the mushrooms well you know it wouldn't be the first time that you psychedelic uh you know Cults uh you know emerged yeah well do you are are you familiar with you know the Raj Nish story um which one's that uh in in Antelope Oregon there was this oh yeah yeah yeah of course Wild Wild Country Wild Wild Country well I love that one yeah that's Oso that's that's oo Oso Oso oo yeah show or Oho I think oh show you got me confused I said Oho which one oh show show oh show he's my favorite he but the people ban are [ __ ] yeah that's that guy yeah that guy oh show I read his book um because I watched Wild Wild Country I was so blown away by it that I read his book and it's actually like very interesting I mean I think he's written more than one book I forget which one I have but uh I read it a few years back and I was like this a fascinating person like he doesn't seem like a cult leader um what's the main
message that he's trying to get across well it's just sort of like a guide book for life like see if pull up his books I'll tell you which one it was the Book of Secrets he's got a Bento can you show me what they look like so I can see the covers it's got a bunch of books one would always wonder if it's one of the few books I have that's a physical copy too I'd have to go back and look at it yeah you you kind of wonder if these are transcriptions of his talks or things that other people helped him write or even things that other people wrote for him for the people or the Buddha by the people um they did a dirty thing there where they took all those homeless people and they brought them to the so they could count as voters and then they kicked them out yeah yeah weren't they trying to poison the city council or something they poisoned everybody they yeah they they poisoned people when uh they were trying to take over uh politically but that was that one woman what was her name Rita was that her name the one woman who got in trouble she she was kind of running the cult she was right she was pretty brutal well you know I spent uh uh you know some time at a Zen Monastery I was actually as a young man thinking of becoming a monk how long did you spend there not that long because my depression lifted while I was there I think my motivation to become a monk was because of how depressed I was I didn't think I was able to really function any other way than you know than in a Cloister more or less I wouldn't yeah but then uh my depression cleared and I went back to school yeah but I stayed associated with them for over 20 years went up there what uh do you attribute your depression lifting to well it was I I think it was a minor Enlightenment experience that's not you to say that I'm enlightened or anything but you know but if you look at you know the phenomen olog of the Enlightenment experience it's on a scale you know there's your gradations like the major one and then you know smaller little ones yeah I was walking back from a work uh assignment uh I they asked well um one thing they liked you know doing was because I was a medical student back there back then you thought I was hot [ __ ] I was always given the worst assignments you know the worst work assignments like you know
clean their toilets or you know knocked down down this hill you know so one day they said you can you move that hill so I had my shovel and my pick I was 22 years old or whatnot yeah and I was you coming back from the work project and my depression just lifted right off my shoulders was it was the damnest thing it was about 15 you know 30 seconds or so I thought oh that's pretty interesting yeah and the end of the day came and I woke up the next morning and I was still feeling pretty good wow uh and uh yeah you know so I was indebted to them for helping pull me out of that bad mood uh it was a bad mood too I had to drop out of school was it directly after you had to move the hill it was on the way back to the tool shed H yeah did you do anything before that physically uh you know I don't remember what my other work assignment was it was an afternoon work assignment uh as I remember I mean in your life ever do any hard labor oh ever work out ever take a sport yeah I ran track ran track it was it was the Sprints though so it was just a sudden burst of energy wasn't anything prolonged um you know I've done a lot of strenuous hiking and backpacking the sprinting when you were doing that did would were you particularly happy or depressed when you were doing that uh no I well you know sprinting itself is great just like I don't mean that I mean during the time period where you were participating in sprinting did you have any depression uh no no well I suppose you know youst yeah you know teenag ANS you know growing up in the sanando valley right that everybody has right yeah yeah I had that while I was doing martial arts it's not like it cures it but I do know personally me if I go long periods of time where I don't exercise I get depressed I don't feel good feel shitty I feel off mhm I think uh our bodies put van it aside because I think a lot of very intelligent people associate exercise with vanity but I I think your body has a physical requirement to achieve like homeostasis to achieve balance to achieve like an ability to kind of like uh exist in a neutral place you're always affected by the world but the more neutral you are the better like the more you're just you you exist and you're not like constantly wound up about something or constantly
about this or constantly fearing that or being overwhelmed with anxiet I think some of that is in response to a lack of physical movement I think the body is designed to exist in a very Primal world that doesn't exist anymore and so because the body had a lot of requirements 10,000 15,000 years ago I think we we're still programmed in that General way and that the only way to keep a balance of the mind and the body together for me is to constantly engage in exercise rigorous exercise yeah what what kind of diet do you follow mostly I eat meat mostly meat mostly meat beef beef yeah uh I eat beef but I eat a lot of wild game a lot of elk I eat deer and wild pigs um I I do eat some vegetables sometimes but only if I feel like it I don't eat them for nutrition I eat fruit and I take a lot of vitamins yeah and no greens I mean I'll eat greens every now and then I'll have like a salad if I feel like having a salad but I don't think I'm having a salad for health you know I think um it's for Taste yeah it's for just I like eating stuff yeah do you like pretzels I do I try not to eat them yeah I love pretzels that's my weak they're kind of [ __ ] but I was at the mall the other day and we walked by what is it an Annie's Annie's pretzels is that what it is it's crack I didn't eat one but that smell the smell in the air was like there was a giant ass line a huge line there's no line for anything else in that food court but that pretzel line there must be there must be something in those pretzels deliciousness yeah MDMA they're so good they're so good no there's no MDMA it's just delicious you feel terrible right after you ate it like what did I do that's like MDMA yeah but there's no 5 HTP that you can take it's going to help you right the uh the the down you feel off of a a pretzel sometimes is worth it though because they're so delicious especially the ones that wrap a hot dog in the pretzel yeah yeah a month or two ago I was at Union Station in Los Angeles and there was a stand you selling you know the you know the encased hot dogs in in pretzels you have to apply a fair amount of mustard they're so good though right it's delicious terrible for you so good though we took an amp trck back from Union Station to Albuquerque you know like an overnight how's that well it was
quaint but it wasn't like efficient it's too slow it's pretty slow pretty noisy and you you start thinking I could have been on a plane I would have already been there right it would have been just uh you know two hours rather than whatever it was 14 or so yeah that's stupid well I mean look at European trains though you can really have fun on a European train they're comfy they're on time good food good coffee uh what's the fastest train is it Japan do they have the bullet trains I think the Chinese chines or the Japanese yeah really really fast yeah that's one of the things that Elon was trying to do with America they were trying to put bullet trains that would take you from San Francisco to New York City in like a few hours yeah I mean there should be no reason not to do that the only reason would other than the automobile industry well also tracks like who's watching those tracks you're going if you're going a, miles an hour or whatever you're going who's watching the tracks who's making sure someone doesn't put something on the tracks right right that's even a concern now but yeah it would certainly be if the people are going a thousand miles an hour yeah like I'm amazed at how few derailments there are if you think about how many trains are flying back and forth yeah well I lived in Gallup New Mexico for years and it's a train Town more or less and you there were I think they there were three trains came through every hour you know 247 so wow you 70 trains 75 trains every day would go through town and there were very few derailments that's crazy yeah yeah they're pretty effective but you constantly waiting for trains then like there's always those things that come down ding ding ding ding ding you sit there and wait while the train flies by yeah it was a point of controversy in that little town like were they going to build a tunnel underneath or a bridge over yeah yeah you know the business folks in you know the downtown area and it would be noisy too that trains would go by you know 35 M an hour and they're big trains like you know some of the cargo trains are more than a mile long uh and they can just take you forever to cross second and third street uh and you're just you know stuck there yeah [ __ ]
that right well I just wouldn't want to be in a place that's that noisy especially if you're you're in New Mexico it's kind of quiet well your bones rattle uh when the trains go by and um you know they honk their their horns you like they have to do three then two then three then two well there's some apartments in New York's New York City right where the apartment buildings there and the Train's going right in front of the apartment building ex that's crazy yeah like how how cheap is that rent that you agree to that yeah and the long-term effects on your mental physical health yeah well whenever someone's crazy in a movie they always live there they live like right where the train is you know you just it kind of accentuates their craziness right they get no rest uh I know well well you know my mom's mom lived in a little town in Western Pennsylvania and you know the coal trains would would uh you know pass through her backyard basically like you know there's a little Hill in her backyard and the train tracks and I really enjoyed you sitting there as the trains went by you know smelling the exhaust that was you know something that was an early manifestation of my this have you seen these in China whoa that's crazy it goes through the building that's what they yeah that would be noisy imagine if you're above that trying to sleep [ __ ] out of here yeah that's nuts that's not real whoa that can't be real yeah that can't be real yeah that they couldn't find anybody to live there you could well I I I guess prisoners somebody would agree it could be a jail or a prison too yeah or just some crazy person that just thinks that's a good idea you know mhm a lot of people like to live in different ways they also have this like their markets right on the train line whoa and they have to like pick up the stuff when it comes through what yeah that's efficient so they quickly grab their baskets and stuff and pull it out of the way yeah cuz like people are walking on the train track that's nuts that is crazy yeah and rather than move they just figure it out wow eight times a day seven days a week
wow you have to put things away you have 3 minutes oh really man wow yeah how many dogs are they lose every year Well suicides too I'm sure you lost of people that like at this the small town that I was I was living and yeah you know that would be like a you regular thing if people would uh you lay down on their tracks if they were having a bad day imagine if we can cure that with Elon musk's neural link everybody sign up yeah on the reservation might be hard to you know get the word out there yeah they probably don't want to listen to you anyway they probably want you to take it so that you all go extinct they'll take over again some crazy white man idea I mean these are people that were hesitant to agree to get photographed M you know they're they're going to be the last adopters of this stupid [ __ ] brain implant yeah these stupid white people are doing well you know well well so Gallup is you know like on their reservation uh you pretty much you know the Navajo reservation yeah and it most of the you know population his native you so it was pretty interesting you living among you the natives for 14 years and you know their view of white people is they're noisy they're superficial and they're kind of dumb well there's plenty of examples that would support that if you were inclined to be uh you know less charitable yeah yeah and make a rash generalization about white people well I learned to be you know quiet there because there's there isn't anything to do um and you know there aren't that many people so we were talking about this before it aired one of the big reasons you moved out of there was was it's hard to get Healthcare right like the the healthcare was rather poor yeah like I you know came down with pneumonia this is 2014 and I was not I didn't receive the best care ended up getting C diff uh because of all the antibiotics I it's this horrible diarrhea it's a like a you know fatal diarrhea I think 30,000 people in the country die every year from C diff whoa yeah and I was battling that you know it the quality of the Care was you so poor that I was taking notes and I thought if I live through this I'm going to write about it oh and you um so
that is you the basis of that autobiographical novel I wrote a few years ago oh you Joseph Ley escapes death yeah it's an account of I remember I was worried about you but I didn't want to pry cuz I we had gone back and forth in the email and you were just telling me your health was not well oh yeah yeah we were talking about the possibility of me being on your show and said I'm just too sick I can't travel yeah generally people don't bounce back when they say they're that sick I was really worried about you but I didn't want to I I just didn't know like how does one you know I don't want to pry you know I felt like if you want to tell me about what's going on you would tell me about what's going on yeah it was a really hard time yeah um and I bounced back like I SW great yeah you look better than ever actually oh thanks do you [Laughter] too yeah I I swore I would bounce back and feel even better than I did you know before I got sick so yeah but it was a chore well it did strengthen my belief in God speaking of godh like uh I wasn't quite well that you know God was not quite ready to take me and I wanted to become you know closer to that power that let you know that let me live and did you feel like because God was not um God did not want to take you did you feel like you had work to do yeah yeah I I had to get back to work I had to continue being useful like I just couldn't rest on my Laurels yeah yeah I mean if you had called and you said how's it going I'd say bad sounds like it was real bad yeah that's why I was worried yeah cuz you know I'm just too used to getting those kind of emails and then you hear that someone passed away oh yeah I know and you know in my generation it's you know kind of accelerating yeah yeah um so when you did Finly get out of this how long was like the the the actual sick period how long was the period where you really hurting well the pneumonia was about 10 days and the C diff started about 10 days after that and went on for six weeks whoa yeah I lost 15 lbs whoa and you're thin guy to begin with yeah I didn't have 15 pounds to lose so um yeah I found a good psychotherapist I went in
there and fell asleep you know the first visit I said I'm really tired I feel really weak and you know that was it and I started working with her for like the next four years you because obviously things had gotten so um you so dire because I wasn't taking care of myself right uh so I had to kind of get to the bottom of that yeah you know so it took another maybe seven months before I started to feel like my strength back and my brain functioning again you know one turning point this might interest you know some of your listeners is I got you vaccinated uh you for the flu in like you January which was nine months after this all started and it was the most painful vaccination I'd ever had it was beyond 10 it wasn't even throbbing it was just constant like Beyond any pain in my arm I'd ever felt how long did it last 12 hours and I woke up feeling great wow like the best I had felt in almost a year so after 12 hours just wore off I went to bed thinking God I hope this wears off or else I'm going to have to get some attention yeah it just wore off and I felt pretty darn good the next morning how weird very weird I guess my immune system just really needed to just get socked or something yeah and it seemed to have you know done their trick just strange that you'd have like a local pain it's that intense generally don't hear about that yeah yeah it was just at the vaccination site very interesting yeah weird do you get vaccinated this might be a personal question no you can ask me anything yeah yeah no I almost got vaccinated for covid right I was wondering um I was uh totally willing to do it it was the early days of the pandemic and the UFC had allocated about I think it was 150 or so um doses for all their employees cuz they they were running shows during the pandemic when everyone was terrified of it so I go to Vegas to do this uh UFC event and you had I had to test before I leave then you fly you test when you get there and you know they really strict with their protocols make sure that no one was sick when people were sick like if someone like a Fighter's Corner man was sick everyone was kicked off the all those people were off the the the fighter couldn't compete even if he was
negative oh okay because he had been exposed right so they were real strict and so they said uh we have these vaccines if you want one they didn't tell me I had to take it but they said if you want one I said sure I said uh can I get it right before the fights and they said sure and they didn't know that I had to go to the actual clinic or the the hospital so I contact the doctor I said hey uh I'm here uh can I can you vaccinate me before the show he said you actually have to go to the clinic on Monday can you can you stay till Monday I said I can't but I'll be back in two weeks for the next event so during the time where I was going to get shot and then two weeks later they pulled it so the Johnson and Johnson vaccine got pulled right because people were getting blood clots and so then two people that I knew that did get it had Strokes M I don't know if it was a coincidence but it seemed rather odd and then I started getting nervous and so then I started reading different things by different scientists that I opposing perspectives on both the efficacy and the safety of the vaccine and then I got Co and then when I got Co I go over it really quickly and then I got attacked on CNN so I was like okay what's going on here like why are you guys upset that I took a certain medicine and got better I've never even heard of such a thing and they started labeling it this Ivor mechon as a horse dewormer which is crazy because it won the Nobel Prize for people so it was like I was watching this bizarre thing take place in scale on mass media against me but against me in the most Preposterous way possible because I was healthy I got better quick like in three days I was better and I made a video in six days I was working out like full steam I didn't I didn't get sick for long at all and I listed a bunch of different medications that I took with but for one for whatever reason they labeled iorc as the thing that needed to be attacked and it was they all in lock step MSNBC CNN newspapers all of them making these ridiculous statements that I was taking veterinary medicine I got medicine from a doctor from a pharmacy an actual human doctor medication for humans and more importantly I got better like really quick like what is happening here this is the strangest thing I've
ever seen in my life it was like this Mass psychosis that was propagated by the media who were only intent on keeping everyone ter terrified in offering only one solution and that solution just coincidentally happened to be insanely profitable yeah it's hard to figure it was weird to go through it's very very weird to go through so needless to say I have become very skeptical about uh a lot of narratives that are expressed uh constantly without any real examination well do you think there going after you or going after the Ivor mein going after the Ivor mechon 100% I was a simple easy to make fun of person who did a ridiculous thing and that's why they were able to say horsey wormer you know but it's such a dumb thing to say because this we have it was a Playbook that would have been really effective in 1998 you could have gotten that done in 1998 the problem is there's too much information that's available and when you're mocking a person for taking a drug that a human being won the Nobel Prize for in like 2015 for its use in humans like that seems insane also you're you're knocking people taking off label medication under the advice of a trained physician what like what's going on and who are these people that are doing this these Talking Heads on CNN why are they all agreeing how come not one person is saying hey what is the reason why ior mechon would be taken in the first pH oh oh it stops vial replication in vitro or maybe there's some maybe there's some reason to use this maybe these doctors are correct all these anecdotal stories about people taking it and then getting better quickly like is there anything to this but there was none of that in the media because they are sponsored by pharmaceutical drug companies who clearly had marching orders yeah what do you make of this virus that's killing folks in the Congo Jesus who knows yeah I know anything about it yeah 170 people have died they don't know what it is it's some weird African virus fun yeah see if Bill Gates have been visiting there lately yeah yeah I don't know I I'm terrified of pandemics for sure I just that one wasn't one to be terrified of and they made us terrified of it which makes me terrified yeah cuz that was one where
they you know we talked about this on the podcast where they made fun of Donald Trump because he was saying it's less than 1% of the people who get it die and then CNN was mocking him saying it's 3.4% 3.4% it was it was considerably less than 1% he was right but they had marching orders and these marching orders was to scare the [ __ ] out of people and to tell them to get vaccinated uh it was a scary time that's for sure yeah yeah they closed down the town that I was living in back then Gallop they it was closed down you couldn't go into it if you didn't live there God so weird for nine days well you know nine days better than California California they did a whole year and a half of like complete restrictions they were stopping outdoor dining just arbitrarily I had a friend and his brother works for the state and he said to the lady who was in charge of it he said why are you stopping outdoor dining there's no evidence that there's spread through outdoor dining and she said it's the Optics M the Optics like we're going to shut businesses down for Optics because they had to show that they're doing something because there's like a noticeable spread that's being reported in the media yeah that's called virtue signaling right yeah yeah well it's also you're the the real problem is their jobs are not dependent upon their society functioning they get paid no matter what so Society crumbles and all these businesses they lost 70% of their restaurants at one point in time 70% just went under that's insane to continue a practice like that especially where within 6 months they should have known that it wasn't as fatal as everybody said it was when they already had the data in about how come all these people that are dying they all have like significant amount of comorbidities how come all these people that are dying are over the age of 80 how come it doesn't mean [ __ ] those people it means protect those people but let everybody else get back to work like you just have control of these people and you're continuing to enforce this control while their lives are destroyed how many people turned to drugs how many people committed suicide because they lost everything completely out of their power power how many lives were lost how many kids had their
childhood stripped away from them and have significant learning problems not just because they didn't go to school but because even when they went to school they had to wear a mask the so the the whole reading people's lips and hearing sounds come out everything was weird reading faces was weird if you're a toddler and your experience is going through the first couple of years of your schooling and your your preschool with [ __ ] masks on like what is that what did we do to these people well we'll find out yeah yeah and the the only good out of it in my opinion is that people realize that it was stupid and they won't be as quick to accept it in the future you think if there's another pandemic right I don't think people are going to accept the government which is filled with a bunch of [ __ ] silly people that have decided to run the government having complete control over whether or not you can run your business or you can decide to take you know a trip somewhere or you could visit your parents when they're in the hospital like all that is crazy yeah I wonder what impact RFK Jr is going to have on the you know the delivery of you healthc care now well he's goingon to have so much of an impact that they're talking about preemptively pardoning fouchy like how do you pardon someone that didn't do a crime preemptively how are you pardoning someone where he's not not only is he not convicted of a a crime he's not tried he's not accused he not indicted like what do you I I guess that's called blanket immunity yeah yeah well it's never been done before there's never been preemptive pardons for people yeah that's an interesting that may have been committing crimes MH it's weird yeah well do you know much about the fluide story a lot of people wonder about the pineal gland and DMT synthesis if you have a calcified pineal which is more likely and you know if you're fluoridated have they ever done autopsy studies on people that in high fluoride areas check out their pineal glands or is this just like one of those things that people say uh well it's the case in lower animals that you feed them a high fluoride diet and their pineal glands calcify more rapidly I'm not sure what the human literature is I don't know so when you say that um when they calcify
more rapidly like what animals are they serving them oh fluoride um you know rats mice and what have the results been like significant differences um yeah I mean you're you know these experimental animals pineal glands anyway yeah they do you know calcify more rapidly you know but whether or not that actually correlates to a reduction in melatonin production for example I'm not that familiar with you know the literature is the number commensurate with what would even be possible through Flor fuide in water or would it have to be some other form of poisoning is this like a very high level of fluoride that they're giving them uh with the experimental animals yeah this fluoride Rich kind of diet um so then the question would be what about the accumulation of fluoride in small doses over the course of a long lifetime yeah I yeah I'm just not that current on you know the literature you there's a couple of things that occurred that caused pineal calcification one is aging you know the older you get the more calcification there is you know back when I was you know current on the pineal physiology data which was a long time ago like you know 40 years ago uh you know there wasn't a relationship between the the degree of calcification in the human pineal and production of melatonin you know so like at least according uh you to you know the data you know um to the data from the 80s you know the degree of calcification wasn't you know functionally significant you know but I get an email here and there wondering if fluoridation of the pineal might reduce the production of endogenous DMT which one might you theorize takes place yeah uh but we don't really know quite yet if the pineal even makes DMT uh you know uh you let alone if pineal calcification might reduce it um wouldn't it be interesting to measure different lifestyles and then also look at the age in which these people are and see if there's like when they die if there's calcification you know like you have one person who's a marathon runner and they're 65 versus one person who's sedentary drinks a lot and they're also 65 yeah you would think
it would correlate with your overall General Health right yeah I mean you and if you're thinking that it's age related it may be age related or is it exposure over long period of time you know where it accumulates because the amount of fluoride that's in the water is very small and this is one of the things that people point to when they say that it's not dangerous it's very small but the question is like how where does it go like does it actually leave the body or does it accumulate somewhere yeah well you'd have to compare uh you know you'd have to compare autopsies and older you folks from you know from areas that never had fluoride in their water versus those that did and and I'm certain those Studies have been done you know like I said I'm just not that current on I just don't buy the idea that you should put fluoride in the water to PR prevent tooth decay I just think that sounds like the way I've described it I said it's like putting sunscreen in the apples because some people get sunburn like that doesn't seem that doesn't seem logical you could just brush your [ __ ] teeth like you don't need to have this weird neurotoxic chemical in our water even in low supplies yeah would you put on your fluid in the toothpaste no I don't have fluoride in my toothpaste I don't have cavities oh I do I've had a few cavities do you eat sugar I love sugar that's it we found it I don't hardly ever eat sugar yeah I mean canul Alva cookie or something like that but it's not a normal thing for me I think it's diet it's diet and it's brushing your teeth yeah well and I think exercising your jaw too like you're chewing gum right xylol gum supposed to be really good for your jaw and good for your teeth yeah if you have a healthy jaw healthy chin I mean you you breathe easier mhm yeah definitely yeah um I don't know how they got started with the whole fluoride in the water thing but it seems like a giant scam like big fluoride is still selling fluoride to all these different water departments and they don't want to stop that's that's the only thing that makes sense to me it doesn't make any sense that people would be willing to potentially sacrifice their children's IQ there's a direct correlation between high levels of calcium in the water or excuse me high levels of fluoride in the
water and low IQs this has been established okay so if that's true that should be a [ __ ] giant red flag for people I mean once you eliminate all the other environmental things that may be consistent with the PE people that have lower IQs and children if you're just pointing only to fluoride if this is one thing that varies like this is a potential real problem like we know that leaded gas reduced people's IQ you know that right yeah when they used to have leaded gas like people like me and you who grew up at a time were leaded gas you probably would be like have a 10 point higher IQ if you didn't grow up with leaded gas I mean there's some sort of a percentage I think it's a small percentage but it's been measured it's been measured that what find out like what percentage uh IQ what what percentage of a detriment is leaded gas your IQ cuz they they actually have done studies on people and like what happened once unleaded gas was introduced and how children's IQs went up oh yeah super happy yeah yeah it was quite helpful it's still in the ground in some places well it's still in a lot of pipes oh really yeah lead pipes oh yeah yeah the whole Flint thing oh yeah oh right right right yeah these use lead pipes how crazy you're drinking water well the Romans use lead pipes I know yeah for their Plumbing you uh you know the Latin you name you know for Le is plum you plumbum that's crazy yeah yeah that's why you the pipes were called you know Plumbing that's probably why the Coliseum got started they're all [ __ ] up on lead poisoning and just willing to throw their soldiers to the Lions nearly half of US population exposed to Dangerously high lead levels so what does it say about IQ here it goes exposure to car exhaust uh estimate childhood lead exposure has on average led to a reduction of 2 six IQ points per person that's nuts re research also found that non-hispanic black people individuals with lower family income to Poverty ratio and those with an older housing age were likely to have higher levels of lead in their blood well probably because they lived in urban areas where there's more car traffic right uh most likely most likely yeah if they're inhaling if they're in the in
cities lead particles people that live in like very congested areas wow wow 1973 Environmental Protection Agency issued its first call for manufacturers to begin a gradual reduction in the amount of lead and gasoline I bet they're going to look back at fluoride the same way we look back at Leed gas we're going to go what the hell were we doing it doesn't even make any sense oh it's for your teeth it's for your teeth brush your [ __ ] teeth and if you use fluoride in your toothpaste great just spit it out don't swallow that [ __ ] right you don't swallow to my friend Eddie said it best he said if fluoride wasn't a problem why would they want to sell you toothpaste without fluoride and why does it say fluoride free in the toothpaste why do people gravitate towards fluoride free toothpaste but because of studies like this where they found that it actually there is a correlation between IQ levels and fluoride and at high levels it's [ __ ] dangerous for you but there's all these people trying to dismiss it oh stop what's the big deal there's nothing to this look at the amount of fluide like what about accumulative do we know do you really know or why why why are you so willing to accept the fact that it's a good idea to throw neurotoxins in the water supply well you know they may have just you know discovered it uh you know uh through Serendipity you know there may have been some well there's a they did discover it through that there was a an area in Texas I believe where they had high natural levels of fluoride in the water and there's a corresponding lower instance of um cavities yeah yeah that makes sense that FL is I think it's Texas Google how did they start putting fluoride in the water I'm pretty sure it's that there some Healing Springs of some sort yeah some mineral Rich fluoride water I don't know but either way just brush your teeth stop eating so much sweets and brush your teeth both those things are a good idea floride in the water not a good idea if you want to sell fluoride and tell people to add it to their water fine but put into everybody's water that's crazy that seems crazy yeah well I mean as a dentist or when I was a small kid we used to get
these you know fluoride treatments yeah yeah with this like blue gun you know kind of gel that they would you know put in a splint you put it on your upper and lower teeth for like a five minutes or what not to yeah kill all those bad germs a fluide treatment well yeah than lower your curiosity yeah you lower your you which which is maybe not a bad idea and you got to wonder what the thing you were talking about before about some people just don't have a imination mhm which is really crazy to think that some people are just they just got a bad hand uh well they can't make stuff up they well they must be quite practical right I mean you what you see is what you get there's no abstracting that's very charitable they might just be dull they might be dull-minded you know I mean there's a certain percentage of our population that has an IQ below 85 I think what was it like 15% or something like that was that higher than that we were talking about it the other day but I don't think we ever researched the the actual number but it's significant enough where you're like whoa you're you're running around the world with a 85 IQ it's hard well you kind of wonder about the IQ test right I mean it was what was it called the Stanford Benet test um it was you know developed way long ago may not really you measure all aspects of intelligence so that's true it you may be someone with an 85 point IQ is you know Smart in other ways like emotionally intelligent for example okay so with a 70 IQ you have like 2% 2 point something perent of the people yeah when you get to 85 you have 13.6% so 13.6% have an IQ at 85 or below that's a lot 34% is 100 to 85 right but you have to also factor in education right like to take an IQ test you have to be able to understand Concepts you have to be able to solve problems and and you most likely would have have to have been exposed to many problems when you were younger for you to understand how these work and some people have had a very poor education and they might be intelligent they might be very emotionally intelligent right right yeah that was what I was thinking is that yeah it would be a different
scale of intelligence than than your uh you're purely cognitive right yeah right yeah well that's one of the interesting elements about uh you know genetic engineering of the humans you there is a big article in something I was reading oh uh ecstatic integration it's a newsletter put out by Jules Evans a friend and uh he you know dove into um you know genetic engineering fetuses uh like you can have a 3dna fetus or or embryo you know like the mom the dad and some super smart person or super athletic person you know so you could do like a you Chimera almost in you know the human situation whoa that's probably already happened yeah it is happening offshore yeah you know that was you know the gist of you know China's probably creating a race of super people well the first you know genetic engineering of you know the fetus I'm Mur in China it was a you fellow working to develop HIV that's what he says yeah but it accidentally made them higher iqed mhm accidentally yeah well so that guy's back at work yeah well he went to jail for a little bit right yeah he's got a big lab lots of you know funding it's kind of weird they I seems like they kind of made him a scapegoat a little bit which they tend to do over there well you think that in a lot of ways you know that he would be celebrated like you know for example the Scottish you scientist that you know cloned that sheep Dolly yeah you know they were Heroes sure yeah but I think we think very differently about it when it's being done with people we get super nervous especially if you're going to be the first person that does it there's going to be a lot of outrage and I think some of that outrage is going to be by people that wish they did it first first so they're going to be pretending that this is horrible that you've done this oh right they were scooped yeah yeah I wonder if there was that kind of reaction with the first heart transplant or the first kidney transplant if The Originators of the methodology were you demonized because you know they were like you putting somebody else's heart in your place of has to be right especially well we're lucky that it was done in the 20th century imagine if it had been done in the 18th century or the
16th century you know if you in the 1500s said okay I know how to save you this guy just got run over by a wagon I'm going to take his heart out I'm going to cut you open put his heart into you like what right and that would have even worked because your body would have rejected it back then because they didn't have the proper drugs that allowed people to accept other people's organs and suppress your immune system so your immune system doesn't reject the organ yeah um I never was in a heart transplant uh operating theater you know once in an emergency room actually I was able to you know crack somebody's chest open and work on their heart you kind of you give it the massage well the person you know was quite sick he was dying and we you tried everything you know like everything you know like uh we used I'm I'm a defibrillator we um we you put some epinephrine in a big syringe put it through his chest into his heart didn't help and you know the last thing that we could do was do open heart massage wow yeah open chest massage yo it's crazy it was crazy yeah and you know like you there were a bunch of like a number of you know students around and we each took turns you like squeezing it and feel it was pretty did the guy last after that no no you know by the time you open up somebody's chest and start squeezing their heart with your hands yeah it's kind of so did he make it through that day or how long did he live for no he no I mean never woke up oh Jesus you know medical training is a pretty interesting experience you the you the you know the kinds of things that you learn to do to the human body and the kinds of things that you people let you do to them because you're a physician it's a very interesting development of a role you know like for example when we first started working in the hospitals you know there's a dress code you know this was 1970s six or so and uh you know like you know there were lots of hippies in my class and the and you know the dress code was to wear a tie and you know the hippies were saying I'll forget ties and you know the teacher said think what your mother would want to see her doctor wearing and everybody got all kind of
guilt ridden and oh yeah okay our mom would like to see us wear a tie right yeah you know so um you work into a role you know like you know how you look and how you talk and how you carry yourself yeah it's a very interesting uh you know conditioning you know social conditioning and you have a extreme position of authority yeah I mean you could ask people you know to do things that you know you know that nobody else would ask them and that they wouldn't even entertain if anybody else had asked them yeah it's a very privileged position uh it's very cool if you know what you're doing oh yeah and you don't let it go to your head but uh yeah it's a unique uh apprenticeship yeah and they can do some wild things today I mean I'm living proof of it I've had three knee operations two knee reconstructions yeah I was well a couple years ago when I was out here for their first time you were having some bleeding into your knee as I remember um bleeding swelling like swelling some some bad swelling at least yeah you maybe they withdrew some you know some blood from that joint oh you know what it was probably I had probably had what's called regenicin so regenicin is when they take your blood out and it's like platelet rich plasma but they spin it in this centrifuge and it creates this like uh yellow liquid which is like a super potent anti-inflammatory and then they had injected it into my knees okay it yeah it's it really helps heal things I had it done in my back I had it done on my knees it's amazing stuff yeah so you've gotten a bunch of knee surgery huh yes yeah my knees are pretty beat up my back's pretty beat up and my knees are pretty beat up that's from your Martial Arts stuff most of it yeah yeah well do you have a knee replacement or no no I don't need that no it's not that bad not nearly as bad but uh quite a few people I know have one my friend Matt got one he's a former UFC uh Welterweight Champion Matt Sarah he's younger than me he has a KN replacement U my friend Michael Bisping he was a former UFC middleweight champion he has both of his knees replaced has two artificial knees yeah and they're doing okay with their new knees yeah I mean better right like he was in severe pain they were in severe pain to the point
where they just couldn't take it anymore and they can do some pretty amazing things with resurfacing of the knees now they you know these titanium heads have you seen them yeah they're pretty incredible they Lop off the end of your knee screw in this new one and it just functions mhm my feeling the fear I have though my fear is that it's only good for like 20 years or so and then what do you got to do you got to go back in there and Lop off it again and put a new one in yeah well they may have some new development that's what you would hope so you would hope so but I mean you're banking on that you're like essentially making a bet that okay you can chop off the end of my knee and in 20 years they're going to have some new thing the thing that would give me pause today and I'm again I'm not giving medical advice but if today um biologics are coming so far that they are able to regenerate uh both meniscus tissue and uh also uh cartilage so they can do that now and there was a study in Australia where they did that recently and I think there's something else going on somewhere in the United States where they're showing promise in that regard so I think if people could just hang in there for a little longer according to my friend Brigham uh who uh owns ways to well which is a stem cell Clinic out here he is convinced that these kind of like super invasive surgeries are going to be a thing at the past they're going to be able to regrow tissue and uh fix like literally fix knee problems back problems things along those lines neck problems neck problems they're already doing a lot of that in Mexico where um there's places like the CPI the cellular performance Institute I had a friend of mine uh Shane Dorian he's a big wave surfer you know you can imagine it's a pounding thing in your back and crushed by a 50ft wave you know and uh he uh had it done to his spine where they go into your discs and they inject stem cells into each individual disc they actually put you under and you're supposed to like be you know real relaxed for the next like six weeks no no heavy exercise at all you just kind of go walking and after a while it starts to kick in and now he has no back pain anymore yeah is he back surfing yeah oh yeah yeah yeah yeah uh stem cells well you know psychedelics effect
the you know formation of stem cells into new neurons that's called neurogenesis yeah soyon in particular right psilocybin ketamine DMT doesn't Lions man do that as well though like non psychoactive mushrooms I don't know see if Lion's man creates neurogenesis I think it does yeah pul damage would know I think that's one of the things that Paul stamitz talked about was doing it in a stack like doing psilocybin along with yeah now exactly what it was Lion's main mushrooms can promote neurogenesis and enhance memory yeah I take that stuff I take Lion's man all the time and I always wonder how [ __ ] would my memory be if I didn't take it yeah when I was recovering I spoke to Paul and said help me I need help and he said lines mean yeah he gave me that giant mushroom that thing on the desk over there that's what that is that big log looking thing oh that's a mushroom that's a mushroom it's a huge I was wondering what that was yeah that's a mushroom that's Paul stth brought me a mushroom yeah nice yeah he's fascinating character yeah I like Paul great guy yeah really great guy I think he just got something replaced like a hip a hip or a knee yeah something along those lines well you know my uh you know friends that have had KNE Replacements they're out skiing they're playing golf yeah they've really had um you know a miraculous turnaround yeah you can do amazing things now it's uh incredible I just think that we're real close to not needing a fake one real close to being able to generate new ones well you know the organ I would like to replace in my eyes I've I've been like as a kid I've been nearsighted and nearsighted and more nearsighted so yeah I would love to have artificial eyes if if you know they worked obviously well that's what we were talking about earlier that they're going to be able to do that someday yeah yeah I'd be happy with that I might wait around as long as I can to get some like I can see you pretty well if it's if the en environment is brightly lit you know you know but if it gets you know dark or dim it's it becomes difficult dude you're going to be able to see through walls see if you can find that article about potential uh because there's not it's not just neuralink there's a few other competing companies that are doing
very similar things and uh one of them are very confident they're going to be able to restore site in how many years I don't know yeah and then on top of that the possibility is enhanced vision and that's what we're talking about like being able to you know see like warm things like in blindsight blindsight device being developed to restore vision and people have lost their sight um no there was one that was saying you're going to be able to have infrared night vision a bunch of different possibilities on top of uh the fact they're going to be able to restore site that eventually I don't know how You' Google this that wasn't just restoring memory excuse me restoring Vision but enhanced vision and then it's going to be far I think they're promising Vision far greater than what human beings are personally capable blind sight enables superhuman Vision Beyond natural limits like infrared becomes cognitive process not just biological yeah that's what Blind Side is cognitive okay so that is the same neuralink thing and then on top of that you're going to be able to like zoom out MH so you know like you ever take like a Samsung phone they have a 100x zoom and you can just zoom in on something like way in the the distance like wow that's crazy you can really zoom in on stuff you're going to be able to do that with your eyeballs yeah a feature enhancement too yeah yeah you can be able to see people look way better than they really look just put a filter on yeah everybody's beautiful yeah that's what Elon said on a tweet about it yeah so there it is um musk explained the Blindside device for neuralink will enable even those who have lost both eyes and their optic nerve to see provided the visual cortex is intact it will even enable those who have been blind from birth to see for the first time here's the part that truly expands the horizons is what we think Visions can be at first the vision will be low resolution like Atari Graphics but eventually it has the potential to be better than natural vision and enable you to see an infrared ultraviolent or even radar wavelengths like Jordi lege who's Jordi lege Star Trek oh well I mean that'd be a lot of information wouldn't it yeah yeah yeah
so what would you do with it all depends on what you're trying to do you know I guess if you're trying to tr find people hiding in the woods you could be able to see them yeah or become or even become a you philosopher I mean with with with you know those enhanced you processes I mean you could kind of you know direct it in any way you that you'd like do you think that uh enhancing the human body like this is what the future of humanity holds uh I think it's a stage we'll go through yeah yeah I'm not sure how far along it'll take us it may just end in our demise um but I think it's a stage that we obviously are you passing into now some people think that's the mark of the beast from the Bible you know the people who get the chip the mark of the beast isn't that on the forehead or maybe that's the best spot for it it's you 666 is is the mark of the beast right yeah but isn't it that like open to interpretation like what does it say and the you've read the original one what is the mark of the beast in the Hebrew Bible the ancient yeah yeah that's the Christian Bible That's The Book of Revelation that's the new testament which I have not read amazingly enough how come well I'm pretty too busy learning ancient Hebrew yeah yeah I have enough to study is the Hebrew Bible yeah yeah yeah it's um I mean if you were going to prophesize about the end of humanity you'd probably proph ize about someone accepting some sort of a chip in their brain and everybody being forced to do it some Matrix type situation I could see why people would see that this and they it might be just the inevitable transition from biological to cyborg that we're probably going to have to go through anyway um well the end of the world will you um at least according to you know certain you know Traditions as Harold did by the Antichrist and the Antichrist is the master of the lie you know so I think you know it's interesting to kind of use that perspective uh as a way of seeing you know where the future um is heading so the Antichrist is mass media it's the master of the LIE yeah mass media is the master of the LIE corporate media is the
master of the LIE corporate media is the Antichrist corporate media leads us into Wars justifies all kinds of crazy things that we do we take over foreign governments and install our own puppet dictators and have everybody convinced it's a good thing well the concept of of the Antichrist is is very old you know 2,000 years you like you have Christ you've got the Antichrist so um you know there's a God and there's a you know Demi urge uh yeah so it's a it's it's a notion that has carried a lot of weight for a long time yeah yeah so you think that the the media is the Antichrist well I think or you know could be seen as well you could see corporations as being in sort of uh a demonic state so if you have an obligation to your shareholders to consistently provide higher and higher profits every quarter and in order to do that you have to do things that will cost people lives and destroy people's lives like for instance the Sackler family that got everybody hooked on opioids is that not demonic that seems very demonic and if I was under the throws of its spell if I had gotten caught up in opioids I it would be very similar to being possessed by demons having your life ruined by Devils very similar at least in result right especially if you wind up committing crimes because you want to get your drugs you wind up in jail your life is over maybe you destroyed other people's lives it's very demonic in that way and in like in the result in the end result the end result is evil well you look at the opum wars in China uh you know the British imported opium and there was a huge opium addiction problem in China and yeah it was you know seen as a demonic Scourge you know like a diabolical Affliction and in its result it is demonic it's just we're we're we're like hung up on [ __ ] Fork Fork tail horns demon you know but but in action it's clearly demonstrably demonic well demonic in what way okay if you can lie about Iraq having weapons of mass destruction and you can justify an invasion of Iraq based on these clear lies and then through that Invasion 500,000 children starve to death because of embargos countless people are killed that didn't have to be
killed loss of at least a Million Lives over the course of the entire war and then the starving people afterwards MH that's demonic isn't that for those people well does that mean that you you know believe in the devil or Satan I don't know what I believe in and what I don't believe in because I haven't experienced it maybe if I experienced Satan I'd be like wow Satan's real but you're allowed to believe in God but as soon as you start saying you believe in the devil people look at you sideways you know like you could be the president and you can say God bless our troops nobody blame bats an ey but if you say the problem with America is the devil and we will find the devil and we will root him out of our our world and uh that's what we're going to spend all your tax dollars on now yeah I mean in like you could uh I think good and evil are real things you can pray for God to bless their troops and you could you know pray for protection from Satan's influence on the troops if you were able to put the two like on right as soon as you bring up Satan publicly you lose all the secular people right you can say you can you could praise God and people go oh it's in the [ __ ] you know Pledge of Allegiance it's normal whatever yeah but it wasn't even until what was it like Teddy Roosevelt like who put Pledge of Allegiance in it was when we were battling the Communists and that's when God got put into the pledge allegiance mhm well you believe in Good and Evil uh like I I think what occurs is the more people do good the stronger the force of good is and the more that do evil the stronger you the force of of evil is and then you have the Holocaust well you know like you know how do you perceive that force is it just energy or do you anthropomorphize it into like a being that you can you know recogn I and think about right but there's kind of no denying at least from a recognizable if you had to like look how do you quantify it how do you measure it there's no denying that evil takes place you know like the you you could come up with any number of massacres throughout history and you say that's an that's an evil act oh there's no question right right so evil is a thing that's if if there's
good there's evil right and then there have been many many things that people have done you're like wow good exists in the world there is still good so we know both those things are real things we just don't know what's the root of them all and is are there really Angels and Demons or all are those the scapegoats for this bizarre dance of Good and Evil that just exists in the world well if you know if it weren't um you know for Adam and Eve eating their fruit of the tree of knowledge of Good and Evil yeah there wouldn't be any perception of Good and Evil it just be true or false you know which is you know the reason that Adam and Eve were expelled from the garden because at in the beginning it was you know they were living in a world of either uh you know truth or falsehood you're right um and after eating the fruit of the difference between good and evil they became opinionated oh that's good I like it that's bad I don't like it but the issue of true or or you know false got um uh you became um you know muddled yeah and they no longer were fit inhabitants of you know the Garden of Eden of paradise what's your take on Lilith yeah yeah Lilith well there's no mention of her in the Bible per se but there's a lot of mention of her in the Rabin literature that sprung up after the Bible yeah yeah the story is that I think after Cain killed Abel you know that Adam no no was it that after that I no I I think it was after Adam and Eve were expelled from their Garden you know that they stopped having sex um so Adam you know then was you sleeping you know with Lilith and they spawned innumerable demons as a result of their relationship yeah and after a while Adam and Eve you know reconciled and you know they got the things together again yeah yeah you but Lilith uh you know plays a role in the understanding of evil in the world like it's the result of the spawn of Lilith what do you think Lilith was originally who was if it was a thing yeah I don't know well that's called uh you know midrash uh it's the explication of the Bible you by the rabbis you know so it's what's called extra biblical yeah and I've only looked into extra biblical stuff to a certain extent what's the source of that stuff the imagination and I think you know the
surrounding uh environment societies culture influenced by the Greeks uh the samarians the acadians the Hittites you know there's a lot of you know accumulation of other you know cultures onto uh interpreting you know the stories what that occur in the text you a lot of uh you know fanciful uh things um entertaining things like for example Lilith is the you know source of the you know demonic entities out there yeah I found out about Lilith like six months ago oh really yeah never even heard about it do you remember when we found out about Lilith somebody brought it up on a show right yeah who brought it up I'm wondering I don't remember but I was like what who's Lilith yeah was it Jordan Peterson it could have been yeah very Poss because he's a a keen student of the Bible very possibly I I do not remember though but I remember thinking like wow like and then the original story like so when you're talking about the biblical translations of the Adam and Eve story that we're all accustomed to it's all the watered down sort of verse strange translated version of the ancient Hebrew but you've read the actual ancient Hebrew version of it like how what did you get out of it like what did you well you know most of the translations of the Hebrew Bible are quite good like you know the King James version It's you very accurate yeah it's a bit you know stilted is anything missing in the translation from when you read it in ancient Hebrew or do you think it's pretty clear it's you know fairly onetoone correspondence between the Hebrew words and the English translation you know certain things are interpreted through a Christian lens because the Christians wrote the King James Bible translation right yeah you know but uh you know the words and the grammar and the narratives you know they're you pretty much accurate yeah you know the they spent a lot of time working on painstaking uh uh you translations you know so you know there was a responsibility uh you know to do it accurately imagine that story like trying to like pass that one down for a thousand years yeah like yeah so there was only two people and then there was an apple right and a snake talked Eve into eating that apple and everything
got [ __ ] yeah yeah it's a it's a very strange story isn't it very strange story what do you think it really was all about I think there were two people named Adam and Eve for Real uh as if they were real H what do you mean by that well if you imagine that there was an Adam and Eve and you visualize the garden they were in and the snake and their interactions you know there you have it so you think the biblical interpretation is a literal recalling of actual events that took place no I don't think that well you know it's like if you smoke DMT and you enter into this world it's true it's it's overwhelmingly convincing it's got its own you know laws its own system you know things are uh you know things are regular like certain things happen certain interactions take place yeah and you're there you're convinced it's real and you interact with it to the best of your ability you know so I think you know that's the case with the narratives in I'm in the text it's it's not it it isn't a me a matter of interpreting what they mean as much as understanding what happened boy that's obscure so it's not interpreting what they mean but understanding what happened yeah you know like like you know what did the snake say to Eve so a snake really talked to Eve though it was as if a snake talked to you as if yeah so perhaps a psychedelic experience perhaps an altered state of consciousness no I think it was a case of a woman standing near a tree and and a snake coming up to her and saying certain things and they have a conversation for real for real as if it were real well you know the stories have been told so many times right that's the problem and uh you know they they seem well if if you seems like they're blaming everything on Eve too which is like a little suspect like your her out of it well the one who got know punished without even having a chance to explain himself was the snake you know so God asks Adam what happened and he asks you know Eve what happened and he just you know lays it on the snake right yeah and the snake's like I didn't tell her anything I can't even talk this lady wanted to eat that Apple she blamed me well back then snakes could talk or in that world snakes talk how so
well you know they were the wisest of all the animals in the gardenal so you know uh they could speak right but you you speak of these things as if like we're talking about when you go to the zoo the monkeys swing from the vines it's normal snakes talk well it's a bit of a paradox um yeah you like if if you let me ask you this you know so if you you know treat those stories as if they were real you're you're opening yourself up to this universe of Adam and Eve were in the garden then they had Cain and Abel you know Cain killed killed Abel then you Cain had children and his you children begot the 70 Nations and then there was a flood because mankind was bad you know Noah and his family survived they all spoke one language afterwards there was on a tower you know there was Nimrod there was Abraham there is Isaac and Jacob you know so it's this world uh which uh seems to be quite coherent quite consistent it all you know ties together it's quite consistent from book to book you know from narrative to narrative you know it is a different way of looking at the Bible um it isn't you know Dogma like you have to do this or you have to do that or it isn't like a yungi archetype or a psychodynamic you know wish fulfillment it's that this world that you know that is articulated spelled out uh in a very ancient very influential text so is it also possible that something completely different took place but that over time and over a oral tradition of who knows how many hundreds of years before they actually wrote it down and then writing it down you're getting a version of the actual event that's very different than what really took place but you think about it like the version in the scripture mhm and if you think about it in the version of scripture are you are you thinking about it like as if this was an event as recorded or are you thinking this is a repr representation of an archetype or some sort of moment in human history that they're trying to recollect and and pass down um well if you consider yeah kind of yeah yeah well if you consider you know the text to be prophetically received you know prophecy is communication between the Divine and man and you know the text was prophetically
received um in fact you know Pho of Alexandria you know one of you know Terence McKenna's Heroes uh used to say you know the most accurate historians were the prophets you know because they heard it you know directly you know from the initiator of the event the witness of the event the one who you could understand the event in the huge context you know so it's a you prophetically received uh you know text which means it contains information received from a spiritual sort of level which you would think is a universal field of sorts how much have you ever paid attention if at all to any of that ancient Sumerian stuff like the anunaki and some some yeah I watched this really great uh documentary a few years back yeah you know but I you know uh but you know but I wouldn't you consider myself as is knowing much about it right that to me is uh one of the weirder origin stories yeah yes so what is that origin story you on I on I recall it quite you fascinated but you not the details well there's very there's multiple versions of it first of all the the story of this the the Fantastic story is told by Zacharias hin so zecharias sitchin who wrote the 12th Planet and he wrote uh several other books he was a uh biblical scholar and a linguist and he spent a lot of time uh studying the uh ancient Sumerian text the uniform and what he believes is that it tells a story of an ancient relationship between a race of beings on a far distant planet that's in an elliptical orbit and it comes near Earth every 3,600 years and that they had engineered human beings out of lower primates they had like accelerated our Evolution and um that all of what we know about the cosmos all of what we know about you know like they have these detailed I don't see the ancient tablets that have a detailed map of the solar system from 6,000 years ago right the sun in the center and all the moon and they have these really enormous beings and these enormous beings were supposed to be these things called the Anunnaki okay and the literal translation is those from Heaven to Earth came uhhuh it's it's one of the weirder like if you love a great science fiction version of the origin story of humans it's the most fun one yeah it uh you brings to mind
you know the sons of God uh you know the Benet Elohim which occur in the story of the flood and uh Noah the Nephilim too yeah yeah the Nephilim the reim they were they were giants men of renown yeah yeah and they intermarried or they had you know sex with the daughters of man and you know from them you came our race yeah yeah you know so that story is interpreted or perceived you know through the lens of the Hebrew Bible too really yeah well there are you know that is a story in the text you before the flood uh is you know the Ben the Ben Elohim uh you know come down to earth they have con have intercourse with you know the daughters of man and out of and and out of those relationships you know comes this you know race of giants that's the most fun one yeah yeah isn't it well they all got swept away in the flood you know so that's an interesting damn you turn of events well if you interpret the flood as the younger D's impact Theory which created the flood MH which lines up right right that does line up yeah it lines up TimeWise It lines up with how it would go down yeah just no evidence of giants that's the only thing we're missing if they found some Giants MH well in the meantime you can assume that the Giants were you know were real and and and you know understand their origin what they were like you what they did why they did it what the results were yeah the bizarre thing is they they've isolated this area outside of the Kyper belt where they believe there's a large lar planetary body that might be multiple times larger than Earth that exists out there right where you would imagine that this thing is if there really is some sort of a planet yeah that comes close to us with these super Advanced beings yeah I think I've heard of that actually yeah that it gets fun those get fun those those I put away rational thought just to pay attention to that stuff well and if it were true you know uh then what well if it were true that sort of is what everyone's seeing when they're seeing UFOs and uaps they're probably visiting or they probably are always here they're probably watching to make sure we don't blow ourselves up and probably assisting us uh on our journey
of evolving past this primitive violent state that we currently find ourselves in one would hope one would hope yeah yeah or they could be just you know doing the opposite they may be stirring up trouble maybe maybe they realize that people need trouble in order to get things done in order to join the Galactic Federation we have to figure out a way to uh get off the planet the best way to get off the planet is develop Superior weapons yeah you know kind of withdraw from the brink of the precipice you that's you that's the story of humanity basically isn't it yeah it is well that's what's interesting about origin stories right and that's what's interesting about the biblical texts is that there are these stories about things that have gone horribly wrong and influences different things that happened to humanity and different cataclysms and disasters and these stories are shared through different cultures which is really interesting like that in the Epic of gilgames there's a flood story it's real similar yeah yeah you know most of the you you uh most of the Middle East has got a flood story An Origin story yeah yeah yeah it just makes you wonder well it makes you wonder if it's true yeah yeah so you know that's why I think like you studying one particular um you tradition in great detail can you kind of you help you you know kind of resonate with ones that are more Universal yeah well that one is so common which is really interesting when you see the EV like the younger D impact Theory evidence like of course 11,000 plus years ago this is probably what happened and the story gets passed around forever and ever and everyone sort of remembers it and yeah well do you like Graham's documentaries yeah I do yeah the other Netflix ones they're fascinating I don't like all the anger that comes out of it all the people that get mad at him and disparaging remarks and how some archaeologists have like severely overreacted to it as if it's some horrific threat um but it's fascinating just the raw data about the size of these Stones their alignment with constellations the fact that these things have been there
for at the very at least 4,500 years some of them and some of them even further than that when you get to like go Beckley tape like it to me it's just incredible to imagine people living 11,000 years ago like what is life like what is that experience like what are what is it like talking to people yeah well footprints around you know White Sands are super cool yeah that's not far from where I live that's 22,000 years yeah you know kids running around in the mud yeah yeah it's crazy yeah it's very very interesting um alter States this is your book new book came out well it's going to be coming out tomorrow oh and I took your advice and I narrated the audio yes yeah beautiful I'm so happy when people do that that came out December 10th um my Altered States um and it is going to be available everywhere yeah um in Traditions you publishes it yeah it's on all the usual resources and you can go to Rickman dcom and you can see this and everything else oh and you can pre-order it um you can order it for me I will inscribe it and I will sign it oh beautiful oh that's awesome that's very cool that's only 20 bucks all right man yeah the book is Illustrated as well you there's some pretty funny stories in there and each of them has got at least you know one illustration oh cool yeah oh look at that who drew it uh a friend from Birmingham Alabama named Mary chalice that's crazy that's a crazy one uh there's some well drawing uh there's one called steak on acid you ever eat steak on acid no I have not yeah this is great too oh this these are cool drawings oh they're great drawings yeah oh that's awesome yeah Rick thank you so much it's always great to see you thanks coming really enjoyed it it was a lot of fun all right okay go by the B folks bye everybody [Music] [Applause] [Music]