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Joe Rogan podcast check it out The Joe Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day let's go let's go jelly R I'm back with my bubba my man I haven't seen you since Mass Square Garden that was crazy what a great night dude what an experience man dude it was so I was thinking about it pulling up here is that um I think y'all just got out of Vulcan and the club had just opened and I'd came that night to see Ron White and I went back that Monday to see kill Tony and I could feel the kill Tony thing happening over Co at Vulcan so I had to go see it in person you know and I could remember sitting in there and you know how like you can feel a an energy shift yeah I felt an energy shift in life in that room that night I was like this is fixing to explode yeah like everything associated with this club everything associated with Tony everything associated with Joe is fixing to [ __ ] F rocket ship and it felt like almost like I'm getting Goosebumps Joe I'm not even [ __ ] I'm getting Goosebumps it's almost like I'm swear dude it was like feeling the grunge movement in the 90s like when you first heard a little something you were like this is different yeah and you were like this could be something and then it just turned out to be the explosion it's like I felt that happening so to see Tony at [ __ ] Madison Square Garden and then to see how y'all showed up for Tony at Madison Square Garden every [ __ ] comedian on Earth came to see that dude to [ __ ] two night kiss him on his [ __ ] cheek you know what I had to be there I had to be there I was there in the beginning I was there when there was like 18 comedians in the crowd is that not crazy it was crazy they were doing in the belly room of The Comedy Store it was just like an afterthought they couldn't do any the other rooms because they didn't have an audience and they would and Tony just had this weird idea that he just like like a little Pitbull just stuck with it one minute of comedy and he like honed it over time and figured out and then he became the best host in all of entertainment there's no one better at hosting a comedy show than him the way he does that show the the speed of his comebacks the speed of his like the roast lines I tell Tony all the time I say Tony I love you and that
panel is the coolest thing I've ever seen but you are the show brother we would all tune in if you were sitting up there by yourself like you are just so sharp I relate to it too Joe I I I I compare art forms it's just something I like to do I know some people don't but watching Tony I feel a kinship to Tony and Andrew Schultz in a certain way because I feel like we all kind of met each other right before it happened for all of us right like I remember me and Schultz doing the opener up song at the five four you know he was doing two nights at zany's two shows one show you know one show a night you know what I mean and I was doing a thousand seat Club in the South you know what I mean and Tony was still kill Tony and you know what I mean like and then and we're all [ __ ] old like the fact that it happened for all of us in our late 30s true is even cooler so it's this double kinship like when I was nominated for new artist of the year at almost 40 that's the first time that had ever happened in CMA history in country music yeah but like this year most of those kids are 27 and under here I was a 40y old [ __ ] man up there you're a beauty beautiful example that there's no rules yes there's no rules it's all [ __ ] just be yourself just be yourself do your best find find whatever it is inside you that you can express that's it there's no rules there's no rules for age like Ron White used to worry about that all the time I think I'm too old what are you you're Ron [ __ ] white you're a legend period but it's like that humility that he has even though he's got great confidence in his ability like Ron is a very humble guy as successful as he is but that humility that is is also that constantly has him writing and constantly has him working he's 40 years in the game he never stops he and he's better now than he's ever been before now that he's sober like a monster a monster on stage imagine hitting to me so to me Ron White is on Mount Rushmore of Comedy for me personally I know it's subjective some people are going to you know whatever but for me because I judge comedy as a fan of like I look at skits like I mean I look at specials like what songs stood out to me the most in the whole special like your special was your album how many songs do you have that I tell my
friends about like it's my song right right right you know what I mean and like to me Ron White has done more of that than I have more Ron white bits memorized than any other comedian just by like default of how good he is at weaving these little quick two-minute stories of just complete white trashy and drunky which is just my [ __ ] specialty it's like I feel like he grew up on my street you know what I'm saying so my mama likes Ron White you know what I mean he was the first guy out here you know he was the first guy that came he moved here before the pandemic That's crazy cuz he was always with us at the store and then one day I called him up where the [ __ ] you been man he goes I moved to Austin back to Texas he said he just loved it he's like there's no traffic everyone's nice and I started thinking about it then he planted like the first seeds in like 2018 I was like could I live in Austin [ __ ] I don't know because my instinct has always been to move to the mountains like I want to I want to live somewhere where there's no people like did you ever have did you have mountains in mind when you like romanticized it did you ever think of what mountains you would move to if you did it I really like the mountains above Boulder I really I lived there for a little while in 2009 but uh when um I think about Montana sometimes I think about just some place more peaceful Wyoming somewhere just a little more peaceful cold as [ __ ] in the winter but just like more real you and that was my thought when I was living in LA but it was like a necessity to get the [ __ ] out of there when when the co stuff was going on like they're not going to let this go they're going to keep us in control for once they have control of you like they had during the pandemic wear a mask got to get a vaccine can't go here can't go there no businesses everything shut down all the restaurants go under all the comedy clubs go under when they were doing that I was like they're not going to let this go I got to get the [ __ ] out of here and when we came to Texas it was wide open like you know some places made you wear a mask but it was a joke it was like it was a goof it was weird it was like a completely different Universe we could go to my kids were young man they were 10 and 12 and like they wanted to go to
restaurants like we can go to a restaurant here and sit indoors like for everyone was terrified in LA and they just weren't here and the same result like the same the same thing happened to everybody but over here it was a way more peaceful experience and Ron when we were out here we we started doing shows at the Vulcan and one night the first time Ron had been on stage like eight months he just grabbed me by my shoulders he's like whatever the [ __ ] we have to do we're going to keep doing this he's like you got to open up a club and I'm like all right that's it we're opening up a club the process began God all because we're on Ron led me to think about moving here Ron was already out here so I knew that if I did move to Austin at least Ron's here yeah you know and then Tony moved here and then Brian Simpson moved here and then the [ __ ] the just the train kept a rolling all night long it was nut you know I think it was by default it was kind of a universe thing where there was a little bit of steel water that needed to be stirred yeah and when you came that still water stirred and it awakened everybody like hold on there's there's choices outside of the the same routine that we've been CU you know I mean I'm sure y'all's life was store store store weekends out store store store it was improv too I did the in the ice house there was a few clubs we did like on a regular you know cuz the the more places to work out the better you know and when we were there were so many of us too you know we we'd have shows it's like Bill burs on me Tom sigura Bert ker they're crazy shows crazy shows cuz everybody was in LA it was a beautiful thing up until they shut everything down it's that beautiful here now though that's C that's what I'm saying the water is completely I mean it is this show is sponsored by better help it's a really healthy good thing to talk about what you're going through with people the good and the bad don't keep it all bottled up and sometimes it that can be friends or family but it also helps to talk to pros and that's where better help comes in it's therapy that's totally online which makes it so easy to get started you just fill out a few quick question and they match you with someone to talk to and if you don't get the right match at first you can switch
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minute so that sets a tone for all the people coming up so real never it's the mo it's one of the most important things that's ever happened to trying to impose their beliefs on you real quick they're just trying to make they got 60 seconds to get a [ __ ] laugh and the kill Tony Crow will boo you if you don't you've got about 30 seconds with them in an arena in an arena real Dangerous Grounds dude bro they were especially New Yorkers the first show in New York they were rough they were rough they go hard you know when I knew the arena thing was going to be huge for Tony I flew down here for the first one he did cuz we were drunk at the bar that night and he was like I'm going to play an arena I was like I'm going to come see the national anthem and it's a it was a joke cuz I don't sing the national anthem I have a rule I don't sing the national anthem but I told him I was going to do it so I came down and we're watching um the first comedian this night at the HB center right the first bucket pool comes up and you could tell this [ __ ] did not have any idea she was going to get called or anything to say is this the first you talking about a gift from God for Tony right she's not up there 18 seconds Joe before they realize that she's just you know ffin the boo Birds came they didn't start slowly and grow like they normally do it was like 13 or 12,000 people made the decision at once what a horrible feeling what a horrible feeling and I was like oh yeah this is going to explode in arenas I was like kill Ton's going to [ __ ] Arenas it's it's a bet it's the best show for that kind of an audience we watch it every Monday on the bus chaotic yeah full disclosure like as a bus imagine like a bunch of music dudes every Monday that were like religiously it's something we have together you know what I mean it's something that the whole ban can agree on the other thing about kill Tony was in the beginning Tony wasn't famous no one was famous and they were just going hard and then as everyone got famous they kept going hard whereas it's very hard to just jump in and do something that wild now and there was nothing like it during Co it there's nothing like it you had this live show every week in front of a live audience and everybody
else is locked down where you have to wear your [ __ ] mask where you're walking your dog you know like what is going on no you're having to bring it it it was also just like this rejection of Norm you know rejection of whatever is going what whatever people think the comedy industry is because people think the comedy industry is like some group of people with power that control all the and give people specials that don't deserve it there's all this like weird weird thoughts about the comedy business but when the the comedy business is only comedians it's a completely different experience and that's what keil Tony is There's No Business element behind it there's no networks there's no producers there's no there's no person no executive worrying about their [ __ ] mortgage you can't say that Tony there's none of that so it's just wild no it's it's complete chaos all the time it's the greatest show on the internet period that's the truth it's [ __ ] rules and it's like I said but you're talking about people that do more when they get there and that me and you were talking off record right I mean off record off microphone we were walking in here about you hang around 9 long enough you'll be the 10th yeah and God blessed me that in the last few years in light of My Success I've been had really cool friends like Tony and I become really good friends you and I become really good friends and I've been able to watch like a student of the game guys like y'all Bert Tom and go man these dudes are turning the heat up as it matters like the content's flowing like it's only getting bigger last year Joe my most successful year of my career I wrote more songs than I've ever wrote in a single year as a free man that's amazing Jail's a different concept cuz [ __ ] what I wrote a song a day you know what I mean but I wrote aund I turned in 170 songs to my publisher last year [ __ ] I just couldn't quit writing them I was on the bus I just could not I could not at every corner I was getting done with show you know I do five shows a week it's just how we tour I was getting straight on the bus and just grabbing a guitar and just pouring ideas I'm putting out 27 songs when this podcast is out my album Beautifully Broken is out right now um I had 22 on the album and I had five or
six features that I was going to do for deluxe next week and my wife teas one of the songs that's kind of doing good so I think I'm just going to drop them all tomorrow today technically anyway so dude you're so at home on stage it's crazy you know uh when you did New York New York at Madison Square Garden I asked her I'm like how often do you just do this just get up there and sing how often are you doing this it's kind it's a crazy thing CU it's like just you you just are you up there you know 15,000 people 50,000 people it's just jelly roll yeah that's it it's uh that's when a guy's like you know you're you're just so in the zone and so on top of your game it's just beautiful to watch someone that's in the zone cuz you recognize that that feeling is a great feeling when you're just like totally in tune with what you're doing I love when I see a comic that's in there when you know it's a flow yeah you know what I mean when you last time Dave Vel was here it was right before he filmed it special my God it was magic he's so different oh my God he's so good right now if you get a chance to see davel live if you're a comedy fan you have to see him he's and now I'm sure he's got a whole bunch of new stuff because the specials out but God damn he's in this [ __ ] flow he's a like a like a zen master up there it's scary how comfortable he is I got so I've never been to the seller it's been a dream of mine I had a night in New York I'd finished TV so I went to the seller that night and I got David tell's number on bir tour I went on B's fully uh fully loaded tour this year for fun did I tell you the story I think so just like I think I told you but just like the [ __ ] off I called bird and was like yo can I just park my bus and just come [ __ ] off for like five or six shows he was like what I was like yeah he was like will you sing I was like [ __ ] yeah whatever I'll come sing a song or two so I just go up with a guitar every night between comedians that's amazing but me and Dave would hang out every night me Dave big J oerson so uh Soder um Morel and we would all just B there I'm just like having the cool I'm just like I'm rarely quiet as I am back there cuz I'm just listening cuz these dudes are telling the they're greatest storyteller ever oh yeah telling old stories great guys too
sod the best sod's the dude son so I'm like uh Sam's [ __ ] amazing they're just such good guys too and such good real just different level comedians too man they're great comedians but they're just great people too they're fun to hang with there's a great crop there's a great C crop of people coming up right now you know Norman and Shane and all all these guys coming up right now are so good it's a different Lev it's a different level David till gives me his number he's like call me if you're ever in New York I know I see he has flip phone right Dave pull little flip phone out so I'm in New York and I just like randomly and I say Dave when I call you I'm going to be in New York City trying to find you okay he said he said no problem I'll be at the seller that's what he tells me right I call this dude me and Ian faner standing sitting at the bar and I say I'm GNA call Dave and see what time he's coming I call third ring Dave aners and go you here I go I am he goes you need help getting in I was like I'm in he said see you in a few flips the phone down it was the most David Dale thing ever he's one of the only guys I know that stopped partying got completely sober and got way better way better A lot of guys there's like this thing that they have when they're you know doing drugs especially where they're just wild and sometimes that wildness is like a magical energy on stage like I couldn't imagine a sober Kennison that would have been really weird man like kennison's whole thing was like I'm here to [ __ ] party yes like he was partying dude hard and that's why we didn't get much out of him we only got like really a couple of good albums out of Kennison cuz he's just going too hard his family came to my show in El Paso poly sent um and they brought me Sam kennison's original gospel discs oh wow they gave me like five of them Joe it's like one of my most prized possessions now how is it how's the music oh it's crazy well it's a lot of preaching on there too is it preaching and singing yeah it was a lot of preaching on the first one I didn't get to the second one yet I hadn't had a disc player they brought all five of them I was so scared to [ __ ] them up I immediately put them in a um Pelican crate and sent them home oh wow I was like this is crazy you know what I mean
that the I mean the whole Kennison family there like 10 of them in there sharing all these cool stories cuz I wanted them Paulie said the kenneson family wants to come see your show I said I want them to see my show because I have so much of my shows derivative from Sam kenneson you know what I mean like there's so much I'm a southern gospel man anyways I went to a Southern church so I just understood kennison's inflections and that kind of thing it just spoke to me from where I'm from so it's like I have always tried to I I tell people I'm somewhere between Billy Graham and Sam kenneson you know what I mean as far as like how you know when you got to come see I be I do the Moody Center in November okay at a middle of the week too you should be able to make it let go it'll be fun I'm trying to talk Carrie into putting a closed on mit's door sign that says close gone of the Jelly Roll Show um speaking of mitsis can I tell you something I want to I've been waiting to talk to you about this in person I was so inspired by the time I spent with you down here and more importantly the time I spent at your Club even without you just they' treat me I don't know if you hear the stories but I've become a fixture of furniture there when I'm in town and um I am opening I'm announcing this now right here that I am opening my bar on Broadway in Nashville Tennessee which is a real big deal you've been to Broadway it's all after country music stars I'm the first Nashville native to get a bar so like the first kid from the city to get a bar but I was so inspired by the way the mothership has mits and it's like an honor to mits and what y'all do that I have put my my bar is going to be called jelly rolls good night Nashville but I have a back bar called buddies named after my late father ah and it was completely inspired from what you have done at mits oh that's great all the way down to the we're going to set his chair there for him you know what I mean like it's just so inspiring and it's going to be just like y'all our rule is it's open to the public when it's open to the public and when it's not it's not right you know what I mean like M yeah it's like because that place has created such a safe place for me a party yeah this is what me and post Malone talk about when
we're drunk by ourselves we're like we need to go back to Jon let's just go it's like the safest bar in the world you know what I'm saying it's like I can say anything here I know I'm okay everybody's cool the whole staff's cool the staff's mostly comedians but my question was can I send my buddy's bartender to hang out with Carrie for a week Shadow her 100% car said she's into it she just said as like yeah whatever you need yeah that's a great idea I think I'm going to send her down in November around my show here I'm going to bring her with me so she can meet Carrie that night cuz Carrie runs the ultimate celebrity bar to me yeah like she deals with complete chaos down there with them comedians I've watched it it is wow well Carrie learned how to do it at the store that's why I hired her she was one of the first hires cuz I told her I go you know she was like the one of the first people I contacted I'm like I'm going to open up a club she's awesome dude I had to get her out here because she was like the mother of the back bar I feel so the back bar at the store was it was completely removed was no no general public at all it's a very small You' ever been in the back bar of the store oh yeah yeah so Carrie ran that place so she kept everybody in line Punky was there too before Punky was on SNL it's hilarious she used to run that back part too and we used to all hang out there like anybody you know you could be safe there any all these celebrities people from out of town they'd all just find their way to that weird little private bar so I kind of knew and and originally mits was not going to be open to the public at all it was just going to be a private bar but then along the way we said you know what it doesn't hurt to like have it open to the general public like up until a certain time and then from that time out have it everybody after the shows are over because that's when everybody really wants to hang and that was like the best blending of Both Worlds you know but it was that old bar in Hollywood was it had her bar from her home that they had moved and put there so the actual bar that you put drinks on was from her home yeah yeah so it's like that there was like a piece of her there with us all the time so when we decided to do this place I'm like we got to have
a bar just for MSY just just the same kind of same kind of vibe yeah you know no I mean it it touched my soul in such a way that I wanted to do it for my father that's awesome you know what I mean so I just want you to know that the mity Legacy has went even further and that what y'all have created there is spre on to you almost got me emotional talking about a woman I never even met I just know she did so much for you she did so much for everybody she's the most important person in the history of Comedy that's not a comedian Paulie's shared some really cool stories with me uh about her and it's just man it's just unreal I got to spend a little time with Polly because I went to that back bar there the cool thing is because of y'all I've now found y'all's Community Embraces me everywhere now so I'm safe if I'm in a city now if I'm in La I'm like where's the comedy club I bet they got a back bar call Adam Ray you know what I'm saying Adam Ray's like hey I'm at the back bar at the at the store come on I'm like yes on the way yeah it's a fun group of people contrary to popular belief yeah popular belief is the comedians are all like miserable no dude it's actually the funnest um the greatest storytellers ever I could I could listen to guys like Bert talk all night I could listen to Joey Diaz talk all night I've known Joey for 30 years he still tells me new stories yeah it's crazy no dude it's crazy man cuz how do you still have stories it's crazy dude cuz well Joey could go to the store today and have a story oh yeah you know what I mean and just be [ __ ] one of the one of the best stories ever I I think we're all in the storytelling business right that's what I do too sure I'm telling stories I'm not doing it um in a comedic way but I'm I'm still telling a story you know what I mean like it's all that kind of story I I am attracted to storytellers you know I think we all are I mean that's why you love a good movie it's why you love a good book yeah especially when there somebody that can tell a story that can capture you in a certain way I think it was probably the oldest form of entertainment right once people when they first started learning language I bet the oldest form of entertainment was probably recreating a thing they saw right yeah had to be
right yeah for sure but think about the old let's sit around the campfire read stories I mean that I'm sure they were telling Tales Tall Tales is what they used to call them think about how long we've been hearing these kind of stories of people just telling stories also back then that was the only time in your day that you got to relax when you're sitting around the campus fire that was the only time it was dark out there was nothing to do you found all the food you're going to find and you're going to get up in the morning and go right back at it all day long again and then eventually find your way back to the campfire so the campfire was like the time where people would sit around and entertain each other wow in prehistory yeah that's deep cuz you're thinking about it like from a hunting perspective too they had to go out all day and find the food yeah you only do that when the sun was out you could only do it when the sun was out and at night time it's [ __ ] dangerous cuz there's Predators out there so fire is the best thing to keep off the Predators you need a fire and everybody gathers around the fire cuz the Predators don't want to come to the fire [ __ ] man and that's where people learn how to tell stories that's why I we're so attracted to it they were doing [ __ ] drugs back then too I'm sure they were smoking pot and doing all kind of they were doing all kind somebody had already figured out that cow [ __ ] mushrooms could make you feel great yeah 100% 100% they tried everything they were starving they tried a little bit of eat and everything and they figured out what you can eat and what kills you imagine going through mushroom and trying to figure out which ones kill you and which ones get you to see God yeah they had to figure that out trial and error could you how many times they had to go through it and go back and go listen y'all I've done this a few times and I'm pretty confident that there is this thing that grows in a pile of [ __ ] it makes me feel [ __ ] like God you know what I'm saying it's crazy dude somebody had to be that guy did you ever hear about John Marco Allegro in the book The Sacred mushroom and the Scrolls it's uh sacred mushroom what no it's a sacred Mushroom in the Christian myth and what was there's two different
sacred Mushroom in the Dead Sea Scrolls I think is one of them what is the what are the titles of his book mus the cross sacred mush in the cross and then there is another one there's another one that he released after the Catholic Church allegedly bought out all the copies of the first one to get rid of it wow in the something in the Christian myth the Dead Sea squirrs in the Christian myth I read the Dead Sea srels so this guy thinks that all of religion is stories about mushrooms he thinks that the entire Christian religion was about psychedelic mushrooms and fertility rituals he thinks that what they were doing was they would have these stories especially when they're conquered by the Romans they'd have these stories so they would hide the truth in stories and in you know allegories and all these different right Tales but he thinks that the entire Christian religion was based on the consumption of psychedelic mushrooms I can tell you this on brand I you know I'm a man of Faith but on brand with that is Jesus told stories Ando he taught in stories mhm Jesus never gave a direct a direction he always was just like well and then he'd tell a story and you would have to figure out you know what I mean it was like okay the story would show the it was always in story form too maybe they knew that was the best way to ensure that people would tell it the same way every time oo you know because if you have a story in the story Noah has an ark and he brings the animals in the ark and God tells him he's going to do this and he's going to do that and he does it and then you know if you have a story then that information keeps getting told essentially the same way over and over and over again like we can read the Epic of gilgames today that's a 6,000 year old story something like that 5,000 yeah we can read that today that's nuts that's right that's crazy because it's a story because it's a story but if it was just people talking about what what you should do or what happened and you know like when it's history man we can't trust history from the' 60s history from the 60s we're we're finding out new [ __ ] every day about the Kennedy assassination that was [ __ ] 63 man 63 that's 51 [ __ ] years ago that's
insane and we're still trying to figure out what the [ __ ] happened and this is like with modern in like they had television they had printing press they had all these different things they had accountability they had elected officials they had democracy still can't figure out what the [ __ ] happened and that's 63 so imagine trying to figure out what the [ __ ] happened five th000 years ago you know it's like who knows who's telling the truth who knows that you've got to like sort through the rubble and figure out what the [ __ ] the fact show but if you have a story even if it's like there's something hidden in that story right and he thinks that that's what the um the Apple was in the Garden of Eden that's deep that's yeah all that all that was in story you think about stories too is they said I've never been to the pids but they said that all that stuff on the inside of it is just a story right it's all telling a story to are like telling stories or when they have the guys chasing these things with the spears they're like trying to show a story it's all trying to tell a story man a lot of mushrooms too yeah there's a lot of images then with mushrooms I might do mushrooms today it's my album release today I'm thinking about I don't know if I want to do much God they should be legal I know right God they should be legal they should be legal and regulated and people should figure out what the [ __ ] they do yeah should do a lot of research figure out what this says this might be the thing that gets us out of there just a micro dose Nation yeah that connects together I know every time I've went deep it was lifechanging for me like I'll do a lot of mushrooms every now and then just like you know let's get but anytime I was like let's go it was a life-changing experience every time it's funny that people want to reject that it's not being that's what's really important is to keep people from like losing their mind and losing their ambition and and becoming like the hippies were in the 1960s following Timothy ly that's what everybody's worried about everybody's worried about like this collapse of society because people they give up on capitalism they they tune in and drop out you know that that whole thing I don't think that's real I think I think
I don't think we should be worried about that I think those people are always going to want to drop out the people that are that want to [ __ ] off are always going to want to [ __ ] off and if you give them an excuse yeah they're going to do it but that's just a style of person that's not going to affect most people most people would benefit especially if they're not crazy they don't have like Mental Health problems it'll you'll probably get something out of it yeah I mean it's it's helped me in some of my most depressed moments if I'm really in a dark dark spot and can't get out of it my wife will encourage me to go trip she'll be like why don't you go we like we got this uh it's called the Buffalo River back in Tennessee it's out outside of a little town called hwall Tennessee look old country River man I mean look Country Creek river I mean it's a river but it's kind of shallow you can see the bottom of it we'll go it's called floating to Buffalo we'll go out there and just float to Buffalo and every now about twice a year me and the Buddies will go out there and we'll just take six or seven damn and just float the Buffalo damn so if I haven't got to do it in a year because of the schedule my wife will feel that on me and be like you might need to go to the Buffalo you know what I'm saying she's like she she'll say it really cool she'll be like when's the last time you floated the Buffalo and I'll be like man it's been a year hadn't it she'll be like I think you you and scary Larry's one of my best friends and he's I've known we met each other in juvenile hall he's a just wild character she goes you and scary should go float to Buffalo she'll just like encourage me like she knows I'm going to come back a way better husband way better father you know what the wildest Theory I've ever heard about cybin is is that uh it came from outer space that's a an organism from another planet and the reason for this is that they know that um spores can survive in the vacuum of space and uh there's a thing called panspermia what panspermia is is the idea that like an asteroid slams into a planet and it takes amino acids and biolog ological organisms that can survive in space and and a bunch of different elements from that planet and then introduces those new elements to another planet by way of an asteroid and
that's that's a real thing that we know for sure happens right and they know that that's how we get aridium there's a lot of aridium on earth like in in places where there's been an impact because it's really rare on Earth but really common in space so we know that some [ __ ] gets to us and apparently I'm too stupid to understand this but the way Bist describe it and see if you can find any information on this there's something very unusual about the compound psilocybin and psilocybin mushrooms psilocybin cubensis mushrooms they're very weird and they they're not really connected to a lot of the other fungus that's here and some strange way like the way they work is like also very tied into human neurochemistry like it's really close to like dimethyl tryptamine which is a part of human neurochemistry and so the craziest theory is that it's come from space living spores been found and collected in every level of Earth's atmosphere mushroom spores are electron dense and can survive in the vacuum of space additionally their outer layer is actually metallic and of a purple Hue which naturally allows the Spore to deflect ultraviolet light and as if all this wasn't unique enough the outer shell of the Spore is the hardest organic compound to exist in nature so this is uh one of the weirder theories so this is was this Terence McKenna Theory are mushrooms from outer space is it bad it brings him up I don't know if it's officially his theory but the late ethnobotanist ter we cannot suggest that mushrooms are responsible for human intelligence yeah he had a theory it's called the stoned ape Theory yeah I heard about that on your his theory hypothesized that mushroom Sports possess all the necessary requirements to travel on Space currents furthermore they could have settled in the brain matter of primitive homono and following the lines of modern day hallucinogenic mushrooms directly contributed to our modern day intelligence and self-awareness it's [ __ ] wild yeah his theory is that's why I mean if you can see it there click on that back again you can see where it it was talking about his theory so his his theory is very very bizarre so we went on to theorize that mushrooms are the reason there's human
life on Earth yeah he said while it may seem like material from space from a science fiction novel rather there is no avoiding the fact that mushrooms possess many traits that are unique to their Kingdom alone fun guy builds cell walls of I don't know how to say that word chitan chitan chitin of the same material that makes up the hard outer shell of insects and other arthropods I'm So Country have said chitten chitten could be chitten chitten like chitlin these cell walls contain similar chemicals found in butterfly and Beetle wings as well as the plumage of some colorful b birds such as peacocks living spores Okay so we've read that but what is it there was something about his theory where he's explaining his theory of how it would have worked that's it wow his essentially his theory was that they experimented with mushrooms and it made him better Hunters it made him more creative and it made him figure out language and it's he thinks it's responsible for just's like this weird mystery of the human brain size it doubled over a period of two million years and there's no real solid explanation it's a very strange thing and the C apparently the biggest mystery in all the fossil record when it comes to animals and ution like how yeah how' the human brain double over 2 million years oh dude had a been silicide probably had a part of it or aliens right maybe aliens yeah maybe both maybe they are aliens you know maybe they are aliens maybe we're just looking the wrong way maybe we're [ __ ] aliens right I think we probably are I think we probably are it doesn't seem like we belong here you know what I tell somebody all the time my new theory is because my life turned out in such a way I never dreamed that this is a simulation and that there is an overweight nerdy alien that plays me and that during my I think about this all the time when I'm H and that my sleeping hours are like when he's doing his normal stuff and my waking hours are his two hours a day and I just imagine this like kid that's looking back like Mom you won't believe what I've done with that fat dude the last nine months it's [ __ ] crazy he's one of the most famous artists in the world and she's like you got to get off he's like but he's going to the
gramys yeah it's like a super hype version of Red Dead Redemption my dude's telling people like y'all remember that dude we thought wasn't going to do it he did it [ __ ] figured it out if it's a simulation it's a really good one we're in a good timeline brother oh it couldn't be we're we're in a really good episode we got a [ __ ] good group of writers it couldn't have got any color it's like if you're on a show and you got writers like this like [ __ ] these writers are amazing this [ __ ] show is always entertaining every day there's drama yeah oh especially right now we're in the middle of the drama scene oh my goodness there's so much there's so much you could get overwhelmed just looking at the [ __ ] news every day it's a great time for me to be in the middle of a tour cuz I've missed it all I'm doing five shows a week and I'm so in the vortext of touring yeah good we do that old school rock and roll [ __ ] so we really do play five shows a week for 12 13 weeks you know that's amazing it's awesome dude but again that's why you're so comfortable up there you're so just yeah it reeks of a man that's done a thousand shots you know what I mean it's like it's like when you see a comedian up there really comfortable it's like when I watched the tail at the comedy seller when he leaned back on the wall yeah I was like oh he's F to kill when he just walked straight up and lean back and then he calls Ian up and Ian's just throwing you know just [ __ ] at him and he's just lighting Ian on fire it was just it was so good man yeah they there that's a good hammer and nail the two of those guys together too he did that at the club hereo I feel like it's um it it reminds me of like the early phases of like a bumping mics thing like a new version of that right which because when him and Jeff Ross are together it's like when David Lucas and Tony are firing on each other I feel the exact same way when Jeff Ross and David tell are near each other yeah I get that same excited feeling of like oh some shit's going to pop off you know what I'm saying like yeah when David and Tony go after each other there's like hours on the internet of just David and Tony [ __ ] on each other there a 100,000 ways David can call Tony gay yeah and he's called David 100,000 ways to be fat
just and so the way they laugh at each other doing it like if this is a simulation man we picked a really good one yeah it's getting cooler and cooler Elon believes it's a simulation he's a lot smarter than me yeah he think he thinks the the odds that it's not a simulation are in the billions really yeah in the billions he said wow I'm telling you dude there's a little dude that's nobody believes and he's going to school every day like my Minecraft dude is killing it do you get um that impostor syndrome thing ever oh man so much I'm I'm somewhere between feeling extremely uncomfortable where I'm at of my career right now or overly comfortable where I'm at of my career so I'm either having to catch myself and go whoa big fella right come on now dog you were just in jail T you were people that knew you six years ago hate you still you know what I'm saying it's like and then I have situations where I'm like I don't belong here I'm having that moment right now this is um this is my first album Joe that is gonna be in a fight for the number one album in the world never dreamed now this is like what the [ __ ] am I doing here you know what I mean like do you think that's a different world do you think that's maybe something that you shouldn't even think about cuz like your music's amazing you're amazing maybe all that just let it just exist no that's what I that's what I've been and that's it's so big now it's almost like if you pay attention to it you're going to go blind you know what I'm saying like you're kind staring at the sun you're kind of staring at the sun like it used to be you had a little campfire and you're warming your hands cuz it's cold outside but now you're kind of staring at the sun and maybe just be jelly roll that's that's what I yeah but what scar being jelly roll got me to the point that they're now saying I might have a number one album you probably you know what I'm saying and then you're in a place where you're like holy [ __ ] and that's where the impostor syndrome comes in CU you're like yo I wasn't even that's where friends are bored yeah yeah I didn't have a Billboard Hot 100 song right until 24 36 months ago you know I mean you you exploded but you handle it beautifully you really do you
because you feel like genuine gratitude genuine gratitude comes off of you man thank you I am true you feel it I mean you know me I'm I can't believe this is happening it's I know you can't it's the [ __ ] wildest thing ever dude and we deserve it I was just with um our boy Brigham doing some blood work and getting some getting some some um some [ __ ] to make my feel better bro my bro my heel and uh we were talking about that of like um living in the Gratitude of it to the and realizing even you saying that we're since such a special simulation yeah like this T the time of this I know I keep going back to the same point but it's where I'm my heart is right now is watching me and a bunch of guys that were all at this kind of same thing at the same time three or four years years ago that you could feel the teapot bubbling and all of us being like a little left of center you know what I mean like I wasn't supposed to be in country music the way that they've embraced me outside looking in you'd have never guessed outside looking in you could have never said that kill Tony would be the number one live podcast on the internet you know what I mean or that Schultz's podcast would be or that um me and uh Zack bran would have this similar of course he ended up being way bigger than me but this like similar kind of we're writing songs our whole life that nobody really heard and then all of a sudden they got just it's probably the craziest synergies that could have ever happened in any scenario for me in any way and it's inspired me to get healthy it's like gave me purpose and I've never felt more loved I've never felt more warmed or welcomed I spent so much time feeling the opposite of loved you know um even walking in here and playing with Carl there was a time in my life where I would have walked in here and that dog would have let y'all know I was not a good person you know what I'm saying that you would have just looked and be like why is Carl acting weird with this big guy you know what I mean yeah just what's up with kids were the same way dude kids would look at me and Squall you know what I mean and um it's it's really inspired me to start focusing on my health too dude I'm down 100 pounds now officially down a 100 [ __ ] pounds that's amazing congratulations that's really huge
that's a massive accomplishment thank you brother it's been all food I'm working out I'm walking but what I've learned is as I'm losing the weight it's inspiring me to just keep going by Nature I want to go walk and do more stuff cuz I [ __ ] I'm lighter I feel better so when the homie like you want to go play basketball We're Playing Basketball three days a week now wow you want to hear the coolest Act of love Joe I I'll try not to Geto talking about this but my whole band has watched me fight cocaine addiction they watch me get off Coke they watch me get off lean they've watched me figure my life out slowly and they knew that the last Mountain for me was food so we started putting a real structure around I hired a real nutritionist he's out here with me now me like I'm only eating his food I'm just like super with it we're getting anything that could you know out of the Green Room for just so I'm working out every day walking around the Arenas and one day they have a basketball court cuz we're [ __ ] playing in this is insane by the way that I'm playing [ __ ] NBA arenas and like I'm playing where the [ __ ] Orlando I'm on Orlando Magic Court like what the I feel like a [ __ ] Fat Shack but um so the first day it's just like me and like three or four Dudes the crew heard dude the next day 30 the whole crew showed up for me and they don't you know these dudes are just they're just there because they know it's helping me kind of so now three days a week we're R basketball courts and having full-blown [ __ ] tournaments wow and it's been so good for me cuz it's like reconnecting to my childhood in this really weird way of like I grew up in a community where they were basketball courts and we would all go play you know what I mean it's like it's been really like it's been the best experience ever and I'm getting to do it in like back to that weird [ __ ] not only are you experiencing this with your friends and people you love and then you're doing it at the San Antonio Spurs court and the San Antonio Spurs coach is out there giving you pointers and [ __ ] being the referee that's amazing the Sacramento Kings coach is [ __ ]
shooting with you you know what I mean yeah elon's right s this is not this ain't real life no it can't be it's unreal dude leaving Nation Arena but I was also um telling Brigham talking about the humility too is that I'm still nervous walking in here and we're friends and you know what you tell us all the time is what you told Bri you know what he's going to tell you we're just two friends talking I was like I know what 20 million [ __ ] listening dog I [ __ ] I'm not falling for that we're just too buddies talking [ __ ] don't look at the sun that's it you're right you know how much I needed to hear that yeah especially like cuz I've I don't get in my head about stuff but just this week was the first time the label called and said hey we don't want to we want to put this on your radar cuz it might make you want to promote the record mhm you might have a number one album and I was like whoa dude this [ __ ] wasn't even in my mind when I had a number five album last year you couldn't have told me I didn't have a number one album you know what I'm saying I was like [ __ ] you crazy you know what I'm saying is this what's in that what's in this water this is coffee that's water okay yeah it's it's a wild experience man and if it's not real boy we picked a really good simulation it's been great though man it's been it's great to hear that you're on this positive track it's all now just about momentum it's just about staying on the course that's what's hard for people is getting the good momentum yeah I'm building the momentum I had a moment the other day I was telling Schultz this it was a really small win but for a food lifelong food addict Joe I was up to 550 something pounds I was having to weigh myself at meet places um you know uh and uh I was telling him that I used to walk in and like a drug addict I would scan the room and make a count of everything I could eat you know what I mean like if you had like the little baby Snickers and a little thing or D do and like the other day I was in my green room and somebody was in the green room and they picked up a piece of candy and said did you you want one of these cuz we just got hit hit in a dab or something and I didn't even know the candy was in there Jeff Cuz normally they get the cand they don't put [ __ ] like that in my room and
that was the first time I was like oh I'm on to something like I'm [ __ ] winning right now right like I didn't even noticed I could have been eating them for 5 hours I didn't know you know what I would ate them all I didn't even scan for candy it wasn't even it's not even a thought now when I walk into places is is there a candy dish here you know what I mean that used to be literally one of the first things I would look for you know is there a candy dish year I've had to make so many different small habit changes but it's been the [ __ ] I was just telling um Bubba out there and I was telling Bruce on the way in here I feel this good just losing 100 pounds Joe and I'm still I've never told my weight but I'm going to tell it here because I want some accountability from people I'm 420 something now 420 and um imagine I'm I'm talking I'm walking around different talking different my shoulders are setting different I'm [ __ ] my wife different I'm just kind you know I'm moving different bro you probably have crazy powerful legs dude it's crazy bet you have massive leg mus I've been going to the gym now listen dude what as much as you can fit on that thing I'm throwing of course throwing you say think about it man you've been carrying around 500 lb yeah 500 plus your legs must be sturdy as [ __ ] no dude it's and if you could lose wait now you can to have like super legs you like keep going no Joe man my goal is when I come back and do this next year it's going to be [ __ ] insane like I've never been more dialed in I've never cared more about it I'm never been happier what are you eating like what is it got you're eating oh dude man he's here he's um he's actually been really killing it for me so I had from eating bad for so many years my gut has just been [ __ ] so we've just been focusing on slowing down the gut I'm only eating twice a day I'm eating a fruit snack in between you ever do any fasting mhm yeah I'm I'm trying to fast one day a week now just to work on like the autophagy so some of these skin cells so I won't be as I don't want to be saggy you know what I mean CU I'm going to lose that you know that story about that one dude that went on nothing but a vitamin IV drip for for year year and lost 200 something PBS I think he lost 300 lb didn't he lose like 300 lb
something crazy like that this dude had no food for you just and his fat sh shrunk but his skin shrunk too yeah that's what happens it's called somebody told me and I could have the name wrong here y'all but it's called autophagy have you heard of this I think autophagy is that where the skin cells I think your body gets rid of all bad cells this is like something that comes with fasting bad cells is definitely a scientific version of it but I think I think the way they explain it to me is that has something to do with the AL Alexis how do you say it elasticity elasticity of the skin and that is what helps so that's why one day a week at least every other week I'm just taking a full 24 hour hours but I'm only eating probably eight or nine hours a day now anyway so I'm kind of intermittent anyway that's the real bummer when people lose a lot of weight is that you got all this extra skin like Ethan sule he had to have all that [ __ ] cut and stitched up I've listened to that podcast with him twice in the last 90 days Ra's full three-hour podcast is first here just just to kind of I love the way he thinks yeah it's just you know guy yeah I love for me I'm I'm always looking for like inspiration as um as a songwriter we're always writing a song you know as a comedian you're always looking for a joke you know what I mean so um that kind of find I'm always looking for that so when I found that PO I was like a this dude and he kind of did the did what I would how he looks now is a dream scenario for me he didn't get like crazy big but he doesn't look like saggy sick cuz sometimes when you go from being as big as we've gotten you get down to 300 lb and people start looking at you like are you okay and you're like I'm [ __ ] better than I've ever been you know I mean they're worried yeah they're worried you know cuz but they just couldn't imagine you know what I mean even when I just told um I always forget his name but your guy out there the Archer guy um worked at the archery store great guy but I was just telling him that I um I I yeah same thing same same concept yeah if you just keep going you know it'll become normal for you to not eat candy normal for you to eat healthy food it'll be what you crave lots of protein lots of um bone bro kind of potatoes
anything that we're doing whether it's rice or bone broth we're not doing a lot of it but when we do it we're soaking it in in bone broth um keeping a really clean protein style kind of going low on fats to kind of get let my liver kind of reset from just years of eating Foods fatty foods and shitty greases you know what I mean so just been kind of taking it slow man I'm I'm enjoying it though the cool thing is he he did B Muhammad's weight cut he's worked with DC this guy I found him from that World um so he really gets it and that's a complicated science yeah yeah you get those guys like bal's way over 170 I don't know what he weighs but I got to guess he's close to 200 lb yeah and he cuts down to 170 perfectly yeah Ian does it every time said it's pretty effortless man Ian says that out of everybody that Bal is just insanely disciplined you know what I mean like when he goes into Camp he's like a different dude well that dude does uh he's done camp in Ramadan and you know you can't eat or drink any during the daylight hours of Ramadan so he would have to get up in the morning while it was dark out have a morning breakfast go to training not eat anything do it to a day probably and no water and you're training and then at the end of the day then you get to eat no he's he's a machine that dude is completely that Leon Edwards fight was crazy I get to see him tomorrow he's a great guy man he's a great guy he really is and you know the fact that he's the that devout a Muslim that he you know prays five times a day like he doesn't [ __ ] around like he's really buy the book he doesn't even swear no he says fudge yeah jelly jelly jelly what the fudge are you doing when are you fudging when are you coming to fudge in Chicago um it's ridiculous he's like this assassin and he you know I'm gonna get to see the two champs tomorrow or you um I'll get to see him and I'll get to see the Venezuelan Vixen they're both coming so him and Juliana are coming out to the show Chicago yeah I'm super excited man nice album release night Chicago United Center first time at the United Center big big deal for me Chicago's always a great great [ __ ] town it's such what's the comedy club down there well they have a few they have uh what do they have Zanies in Chicago they have another one in
Rosemont the dman brothers don't have nothing to do with that one though do they I don't know I don't know they never know that doesn't make sense if they don't did you hear what they did to the Nashville xanies so you know uh Brian and them own that building and the through the back bar the so you know Zan's do is here the front door not the door we go through the front door whatever that place was right here he's turned that into a place called the lab now and it's like a 50 person smaller it would be like the little boy oh you know what I'm saying it would be like the little boy so he calls it the lab at zany's now oh that's nice yeah it's super it's really really cool they used to have a really good room at the Improv in Hollywood they called the lab and that's where Ari started um this is not happening which became that Comedy Central show you know the Storyteller show that all started in that lab that AR's little baby that he created and the the old way the com The Improv rather there used to be set up was amazing you have the big room and then you had this tucked away small room in the back with a very small bar but then they expanded it made made the bar bigger and made the stage by the door they [ __ ] the whole thing up the whole thing's [ __ ] now it used to be the stage was in the back there wasn't a lot of noise in the room and then they turned it into a bar and [ __ ] it up but at that time that was what it was called it was called the lab yeah no this place they call it the lab it's beautiful speaking of that show God I'd love to see that show back that show was so good yeah you know what happened with that you know how it all went down Ari um got an offer from Netflix to do a special you know he he actually filmed his special and uh Comedy Central wanted it because he was on Comedy Central but Netflix was better for him and they were pissed that he was going to do the special on Netflix so they fired him MH and he's like stuck to his guns and then Roy wood took over and he did it for a while and that was the end of it but that's why it was because Ari wouldn't listen to that they they were trying to force him into doing his special in Comedy Central wow yeah and he's like no like I don't have a contract that I have to do it on Comedy Central this is crazy
you guys they Tri use the show they did use the show they fired [ __ ] they fired him and not to say and not to say Rory Woods didn't do great with the show but oh Roy Woods was great I mean Ari was happy that Roy Woods was took over cuz first of all Roy's hilarious great comic but also that meant all the people that were working on the show got to work Ari was going to take out a loan and he was going to pay all the people that all the camera people all the crew he's going to pay everybody their salary just cuz he felt bad he felt bad and he was like this is not I this is not what I want it's not my fault but they're forcing me into it and by principle I have I can't get just give in and say okay when to do this at Comedy Central but just for just for just us having fun today purposes imagine if that show came back right now with it could it could come in the in the explosion that's happening right now well Ari should do the show on Netflix it's his show I would he called it now he calls it Ari shaffir's renamed Storyteller show I think that's what he calls it yeah he he still does it but he should it's on Netflix now no no no I said he should do it on Netflix but he'll still do he'll still do live ones every now and then does live story tell shows no he should do it man I think about guys like Brian I would cry laughing to hear whatever his story was I think about the Joey Diaz the mother Mary story I'm going to that you know like there are stories on there that yeah everybody's got good stories too people have stories of some [ __ ] nutty thing that happened on the road or what have you yeah no it's crazy I'd love to start seeing people in my genre try stuff like that more if they ever did it just try to like I'd love to hear you know Jason Aline tell story you know what I mean if he really if he got with somebody backstage like one of the homies you know what I'm saying like if Rose Bud was back there with him and was like all right tell me your best story and I'll punch it up you know I think Jason ddean would at least kill a six minute story you know what I'm saying everybody's got at least one good story one that you could concoct together the right way yeah yeah I think that's probably the really is probably the oldest form of human in
entertainment yeah it's funny how I love when I love when anything you talk about has a theme and this one has been storytelling and that's um it's it's all I ever wanted to do before I was writing songs um because I knew that music could be written that way I would just write these kind of stories for my mother you know what I mean I would just try to you you know the story we've talked about a lot but it was a way to connect with her even before music and then when I found out music was her [ __ ] I was like oh this is the double connection like oh this is I'm doubling down on this and I still to this day think I'm writing for my mama like to this day I'm still like when I'm really finishing a song I'm thinking to myself I wonder what my mama would think about this you know in this really weird way like first thought like I wonder mama like this you know does this represent and then the second thought is right why does this song exist that's always my second following thought is first of all is like will my mama dig it and then the second is you know what I mean it's like in the second it's like why does this exist though you know what I mean what could it do what purpose could it actually serve right and if it's uh it could be anything as much as it's just you know it just makes me happy or it could make people happy or it could make people move is enough of a reason out of these 100 plus songs that you've written recently how many of them you think you'll ever record I recorded probably 30 something of them wow I'm going to put out probably 28 and I think four or five will probably end up circulating next year through other artists that'll just cut some of the songs that just cuz sometimes I write a song song show but I'm just not the vessel and I know it when I'm writing it you know what I mean um do you hear it in a different voice like sometimes sometimes but sometimes you just know that it's like I couldn't sing this with a certain amount of conviction you know like for me personally you know it's not that I couldn't um you know uh it's I don't know I don't know if this is a good comparison but it'd be like I could write a song about hating my wife but I could never sing it because I don't really hate my wife
right I could never sing it with conviction now as an as a songwriter do I have the skill set to write a song about hating my wife for sure but would I ever sing one and and and represent myself that way and it's just not just I couldn't sing it with conviction but there might be a guy in Nashville who just got his heart broke well you know cter walls Kate McCannon that's the mother of all I hate my wife songs oh yeah insane that's a crazy song when the fact the fact that dude was 21 when he sang that you're like what it sounds like he's 58 I believe in reincarnation I'm telling you man there's no other way that doesn't make sense and if his story couldn't get any cooler it's that he just doesn't give a [ __ ] doesn't give a [ __ ] won't do podcasts for sure I tried so hard it's crazy it's crazy dude he told post Malone post Malone hit him up and post was like Hey man I'd love to work and pretty much he was like yeah if you ever want to come to the ranch we we can maybe write a song or something like post is like if you want to fly to the middle of Canada we can write a song but if you think I'm getting off this Ranch to right with you [ __ ] no yeah he really works on a wrench yeah that's that's how Cody Johnson is too though Cody Johnson flies out on the he's a it's I joke with him all the time I'm like you're a cowboy that plays a country music singer on the weekends you like cuz you know I mean he plays music for real but it's he literally goes home in ranches Monday through Thursday you'll FaceTime this dude and he'll be out just in his Ranch somewhere tagging cattle that's amazing you know what I mean and then Friday night he'll fly and go sell out you know two nights at the Staple Center Friday Saturday experienced any of that but I swear to God it so it resonates with you when you watch it on Yellowstone yeah right like I want to live like that so bad I want to hang out with the horses seems like a good time seems like everybody's all peaceful and [ __ ] we'll stay up and watch the rodeo late at night cuz PVR plays on uh you know TV or whatever and dude I watch that stuff I don't know much about it but I I just can't quit watching I think it's the wildest [ __ ] ever yeah I watch it for burst but then my knowledge of Orthopedic surgeries that these people
are going to be receiving injuries and concussions they just like like I got to stop watching this I love watching stuff that doesn't seem real though right have you seen the the J is it JB Mooney is that how you say his name or is it Mooney Mooney right I think it's Mooney yeah is it Mooney or Mooney you got me thinking now yeah me too but he that dude he owns the the cow that retired him it's crazy how W how cool is that yeah pretty cool yeah but we're talking about a dude that you know would INF no helmet cigarette lit in his mouth animal like oh just when you look at animal those dudes riding bulls with no helmet on is the craziest [ __ ] American thing that anyone's ever done that is so dumb and so amazing at the same time like what the [ __ ] are you doing it is so American dude and especially when he had the cigarette you're just like this it almost looked like it was out of a movie like somebody overcooked it and at the end those guys are always broken just everything's broken we had a dude on Fear Factor that was a bull rider and one of his arms uh his shoulder had like just giant scars all over the place said like five or six shoulder reconstructions yeah it pops out sometimes he has to pop it back in that is jeez sick it's crazy all from riding a a giant 2,000lb animal that doesn't want you rid horns yeah and when it gets you off of it and wants to hurt you after yeah it's it's pissed off yeah man [ __ ] all that noise I can't quit watching them though I don't know why I'm just so attra I've always been attract I loved I loved songs about rodeos though is what did it we talked about this before too there was '90s music had all these like old school really cool Rodeo records M and I feel like somewhere it's kind of like everything goes in themes and then country music went through like you know the hunting and fishing era but in the 70s it was more of the storytelling era like the Poncho and Lefty style stuff you know what I mean but to me the '90s cowboy music was like still some of the best country music ever made bro you know who's got the best Rodeo song for my money Zack Bryan open the gate oh it's it's one of the best rodeo songs ever written oh my God 100% oh my God meanwhile I'm listening to him going get off that bull don't go ride that bull
don't do it your dad's dead don't don't ride the same goddamn bull that killed your dad Jesus Christ you want to hear a cool Rodeo story Reba McIntyre got discovered at one at a road yet you want to talk about a real cowgirl Reba McIntyre was like Oklahoma or somewhere and she would sing the national anthem at all the local rodeos because they knew she was a local singer but she was a real cowboy so night she was she was singing in Old this is you know back in the day when it was old school like a record exec discovered you wow you know what I mean and like flew you to Nashville and signed you to a record deal it's a true story though Reba was just like did it because she loved it like like if you were singing in church she just every weekend they'd have the rodeo in town and she'd Go sing the national anthem form wow how many people are like that out there when you think about yourself becoming like artist of the year at 39 how many people are like that out there that are just super talented they just never get that crack it's it's there's a thing that's inside some people there's a thing that's inside some people and uh it's different in everybody like your different is different than cult wall is different different than ree is different different than Johnny Cash is different everybody's got that thing everybody's got a thing but there's so many people out there that we never get to see that thing yeah I wonder how much of it is the ones that just jump ship early too though they quit yeah a lot of people quit it's hard I think about I think about you doing something for 10 years to no avail right is really really hard man you've this is what I tell people I was a desperate delusional dreamer Joe and everything I regret I did out of desperation but I don't regret one thing I did as a delusional dreamer you know what I mean cuz there was moments um we were we were I did this I went to the um juvenile yesterday in uh uh Columbus Ohio I went to go play cards with the kids in their units before my show I try to do stuff like that all the time and we were all talking about um you know time energy stuff into this and songs and I talk about writing 170 songs last year and I was like do y'all know that there was so many moments in my
life where I in hindsight I'm glad nobody sat me down really that I had to have looked [ __ ] crazy you know that kid asked me he said uh when did you feel like you made it I was like I think that's why God kept blessing me is that me and DJ highlight that's my DJ from Columbus Ohio he was there with me we did the 1:00 slot at Rock on the Range 12 years ago right the festival you know Rock on the Range Jamie this is a big deal of where Jamie's from we played the fifth stage of five stages so we played the smallest stage there 30 minutes after they opened the gates Joe we started drinking at 10:00 that morning CU we were rock stars in our minds we had made it there was we were that delusional we were backstage full-blown shooting shots and celebrating there was 40 people there there was thousands of people just walking right past our stage to the stage they were going to we didn't care we had made it you know what I mean like we' make we you're telling me we got 1,500 bucks to do this this is insane we have arrived and I'd go home all beat up B in my whole neighborhood probably had to look at me like I was [ __ ] nuts you know what I'm saying but nobody said nothing to me I had to look like the crazy person kind of right at this point I'm in my early 30s mid-30s even and they're like all right big guy but you're at Rock on the Range you actually are performing there how I felt I think you're correct I think you should be celebrating yeah you're supposed to be yeah and when I told that kid that it was cool to see his face kind of light up he was like man that's perspective you know what I mean I was like dude I was I would celebrate whenever I would get a a clap in here when I was in juvenile when we' have freestyle Fridays in juvenile and if I had if I spit one line that got a ooh man I went to my cell did push-ups and started looking in the mirror different you know what I'm saying I was like it's [ __ ] fixing to happen I'm saying just you know that kind of delusional just celebrate every every moment I had I made a moment the what is this this is the day look at you up there mhm yeah this is us this a true story defit Rock on the Range this is Rock on the Range dude this is 2017 probably wow
yeah yeah this this was our second time I think we made it to the second stage by then yeah this is 16 Yep this the second weird doing shows when it's bright out yeah it's I'm just getting used to doing shows when it's dark I know shows when it's bright out are kind of crazy they're it's a dude it is unforgiving especially when you're you know you're trying to you're you're working you're trying to build something you know you're looking out there's a lot of people that are coming to give you a chance yeah but they don't know anything about you well the thing is if you could figure it out right people figure out everything they figure out how to write books they figure out how to play baseball people figure it out but not everybody figures it out that's why it's so exciting when you do that's why it's so exciting when you make it cuz you know it's not just that a bunch of Lucky things had to happen to you cuz they all do with all of us there's a lot of good circumstances to happen your way just to keep you alive right you have to get lucky but then you also have to have that thing like what is that that thing inside you that you got to get out and you can figure out a way to get the best version of it and display it for people or you quit a lot of people quit man I tell you there's a line in the song Joe that uh it's an old song it's called just breathe and she goes the end of the song she ends the song by going 2 A.M and I'm still awake writing this song cuz if I get it all out on paper it's no longer inside of me threatening the life it belongs to oh I almost get emotional when I tell people that because to me that is the greatest line ever written as to how I feel yeah you know what I mean like this idea that I have to get this out of me it's like I don't I I when I write it's not like I'm I have to it's like a a thing in me that's burning in me it's like I have to get this out of me brother I wake up out I wrote I wrote the somebody saved me on a sheet of paper out of a dead sleep really notebook side of the bed some just like I wrote notes Here with you when You' say something that would inspire me one of these is a song title right here right now you said it earlier what tell you off tell you off tell you off camera
okay in case we got a negotiate a publishing thing but B I wrote a song on the it didn't make the album but Bert one night said something he was like yeah man this is where dreams go to die and he was talking about a bar he used to go to where everybody would talk about what they would do but never did so he quit talking about what he was going to do but what he don't know is I just quietly grabbed my phone and wrote dreams die here you know what I'm saying I wouldn't wrote the song it sucked I'm GNA send it to him but I tried you know what I'm saying you never know maybe Revisited the Year too yeah but I I I I I connect with that in a way that's writing is um it's an outlet for me it always was it was always a way to express and to tell stories around me it's also a connection to some strange realm where ideas come from yeah ideas that come to you they just come to you out of nowhere they just feel like gifts they really do like when you're sitting in front of the computer and an idea just comes to you and you start writing it down or when you wake up in the middle of the night take a leak and you can't get this idea out of your head you got to grab a notebook man those things are gifts they're gifts from the universe you've had that happen too you find yourself at the kitchen table at 3:00 a.m. the worst one is I try to convince myself that I'll remember it you go back to sleep and you'll blow it cuz I'm lazy I'm like you're going to remember don't worry about it you'll definitely remember that want remember it I remember like one of them ever but I write them down now I do too I got a small legal pad beside my bed like the little one and I got one this is a crazy place but I have one on top of my commode that's a good place so in case I'm going in there to pee or something and on the way there just cuz sometimes too I have to grab my phone and do Melodies in the middle of the night cuz I I have dreamed of Melodies before like like Stone Cold Melodies In My Dreams like the somebody Sav me melody was in my dream the first words the problem was me and D joke about it it took us two hours to write the song that would have took us 20 minutes to write because I was convinced somebody save me was supposed to be the chorus
oh interesting I know I'm I know I'm when I talk about stuff like this Joe but this is how the universe works I don't think I was wrong cuz when Eminem ended up taking that song you know Eminem redid that song oh yeah you got to hear it it's crazy Eminem redid the song and he took the verse from somebody save me the first verse and made it the chorus whoa so his version of it is he's rapping and then my first verse is the chorus and then he raps again and my first verse is the chorus again so maybe I was kind of right wow in the groom I kept going back to like you sure we should tell him did you ever tell him that before you did that never even told him the story it gets Joe I'm [ __ ] flipping it gets even deeper dog John man my manager calls me and goes he says Paul Rosenberg just called me that's M's manager he says I think Eminem wants to do something to save me I didn't asked John man right then Joe I said man I hope he takes the first verse and samples it that's all I said and John said whatever I don't know what he wants to do with it we just send it over cuz you know Eminem's the greatest ever you don't send them instructions or notes or ideas I'm saying you're just like Y and uh it we didn't talk about that until we met and he was just as whipped out too cuz the funny part about him was he was struggling with whether or not he was going to keep the original chorus and do somebody save me at the end or do somebody save me as the chor and put the original chus at the end and he ended up doing somebody Sav me in the original Chorus at the end so he fought the Battle the opposite of the way I fought it oh it's crazy right how art works that way it is crazy it's crazy where those things come from The Muse you know and you got to respect the Muse you know and like I think when you're writing a lot like you are like that Muse is like ready to go like you're tuned into whatever that is that gives you those ideas for songs you're just like searching for you're in the mode of searching for it no I'm always it's like the never yeah you're right I'm in that space I'm in my stride I'm in my quest of I'm looking for it at every angle right now I'm like I wrote a song I wrote so many talking about storytelling again sorry I keep going like [ __ ] storytelling podast I I probably have
four songs on this podcast that I wrote just very old school storytelling like the music I grew up loving like how Willie Nelson would tell these stories of these characters and um it has been so talking about Muses I don't I wasn't sure if I was going to tell this story but I I will I um as a part of my journey my mental health and with things I struggle with I will pop into when I'm home na or AA meetings uh even though I still drink smoke pot I I don't claim to be a part of the program because I have so much respect for those who are sober like can really live the clean sober Life by the program but it's helped me so much not to go back to some of my demons it's taught me about gratitude list it's just helped me a lot and I go to you know few a year never say nothing just sitting the back quietly I'm just sitting there try to learn you know never never went in there thinking like an artist just kind of just just kind of going there thinking like an addict so I just want to be an addict in here that's why I don't talk and I watched a man having a breakdown in there and this happens you know what I mean people are coming in here and you know I mean it's an AA meeting right and he's shaking and at the end they go does anybody want to get a 24-hour chip or a desire to change and the guy said I drank this morning but I do have a desire and he was already shaking where he hadn't drink in five six hours and uh the guy goes old head walks over most gangster [ __ ] I ever seen puts his arm around him and says it's all right baby none of us came in here on a winning streak dude I was like I had no intention of going to this meeting the only reason I even went Believe It or Not wasn't cuz I was having a craving even I had an hour to kill on the way to a writing session and I was like well [ __ ] if I could either spend this hour scrolling on [ __ ] Tik Tok and thinking about how [ __ ] Ukraine's going to kill us or you know what I mean yeah and I went into the meeting and I left and I walked in the writer room and they was like you know it's fun when we write together because everybody's got an idea I said boys I don't know if this is the idea but I want to tell you what just
happened to me I just seen one of the most beautiful acts of humanity I've ever seen just the mo because this guy's shaking he's crying and this dude's walk I'm getting emotional cuz I'm watching it the whole room's getting emotional this dude just super cool just kind of walks over a little like a almost like I've seen this before he was he was the only one the all of us were sad this dude was happy he walked over with a smile like he'd seen it he was like oh don't worry baby nobody comes in here on winning Street and uh so I did some I went back to the meeting the week later while we were we started the song the guy ended up being like 25 30 years clean that came in to help the other guy wow so we wrote the song it's called winning streak it's [ __ ] I've sung it on Saturday Night Live wow it was cool it's not even outch it'll be out on the album today but uh imagine if you didn't walk into that place imagine if you didn't walk into that place right yeah just old church basement just how much time have you lost on your phone where you could have been walking into a place talking to people and getting winning streak you know what I mean it's like just you know um especially as an artist that deals in you know to say it again stories yeah and just n you know you find things out about people when you see them interact with each other and sometimes it just light lights a spark yeah it's just man you um yeah anytime I see anything that makes me feel something I feel the need to try to write it whether it makes me happy or sad or you know what I mean if you really think about like old school rock and roll like think of like classic rock there's great songs but then there's these Story songs you know like shooting star that Bad Company song you know Johnny was a school boy when he heard his first Beetle song that's one of those songs that like everybody listens to the words you know you you just get caught up in the story yes there's a difference between that and you know just fun sto fun songs there's fun songs back and black you know fun it's not like a story that like an emotional story that gets you there's some of those songs you know American Pie American Pie Oh my God oh my God I listen to it once a week in the cold
plune cu the original version is like seven minutes yeah so if I start it while I'm getting into my skibbies song's over I get out of the C Punch Yeah but it's uh that song um talk dude how about James Taylor I've seen fire and I've Seen Rain the greatest song ever written Joe the greatest song ever don't listen to that song when you're sad dog you will I'll cry if I'm happy Bubba bro that song will get you every time that song will get you and that's a story too and that [ __ ] had a voice man he had a voice what a special voice and it was so effortless Joe yeah he um when he opened his mouth it was almost like he was just talking to you like me and you but he would sing like an angel and you know he was self-taught guitar so he plays like shapes and chords that don't really technically exist really yeah he literally because he selftaught himself they'd be like well that's kind of a looks like a g but you're doing this and not that it's like it was crazy dude he's authentic my father um who I named buddies after in my bar was uh we were driving down to Golf Shores Alabama one time and uh I was a kid and we start listening to Fire and Rain and he starts my family would tell these stories about music I don't know what it was but before they would play a song it was like they would take and I'm like this to this day I would take great pride and being like Oh I'm fixing to show you something so I'd give you the setup you know so my dad goes I'm not going to set this song up I'm going to tell you about it afterwards we're going to listen to it again there it goes give me it from the beginning Jamie this [ __ ] so look at them all it's long hair that was before he went bald when he went bald he said [ __ ] it yeah that was hey Mr jukebox James um oh bro that guy could not have a fly SWAT big enough to swat those panties that were fly him what he could not just at every corner dude oh my god listen voice like an angel all sensitive in hot take he was married to a woman that is arguably a better songwriter than him Karly Simon Karly Simon was so beautiful God when she was young she's like one of
the most beautiful women that's ever lived I love that none of that mattered to him though watch this oh so my dad tells me this story Joe and we are riding down I 65 I've only seen my father cry three times give J yeah and we are crying we are going down I65 and we are squalling I mean like two children Joe just authentic you know what I mean there's no [ __ ] in this song the third verse when he goes uh yeah you got to let this rip in uh it's a core memory I have forever [Music] though when I watch this to me this is some of the best the whole song but right here walk e so simple but [Music] real [Music] telephone to sweet dreams and F in pieces on the ground now I've seen fire and I've Seen [Music] Rain i' seen days that I now watch him take it up right [Music] here but I always thought that I'd see you somehow one more time again [Music] now I thought I'd see you one more time again there's just a few things coming my way this time around oh now I thought I'd see you I thought I'd see you rain damn so good this crazy what a team him and Carly's H think about that mhm what was um bro you're so oh my goodness pull that [ __ ] up give me and seeing her sing it with that face oh my God God oh my God was it car was it um he tour with Carol King forever right do they ever have a relationship hopefully right you talking about another great songwriter god dude here we go [Music] she's playing the piano son with her hair blowing so 80s in the wind yes [Music] oh you walked yourself this precour is crazy and You're So Vain I'm than this song is about you
you're [Music] so but hold on hold on because if the song was about him he's right yeah right for sure you know Warren batty was listening to that song going I think this song is about me going yeah I knew I was him that's live back when they were like you know that was live live that might be one of the first disc songs right that's I think that's the first diss hold on hold when was the song put out say is it officially about Warren batty I thought rumors that it was about James Taylor too cuz oh really I thought it's unconfirmed who it's written about that way it would you know what man it wouldn't shock you right if you found out that the guy was like the the sweetheart super nice guy was actually a [ __ ] psycho dude I've had talking about James Taylor I've had fans come up to me and they would be crying and they go I'm so sorry I'm crying and every time I tell them the same thing I say don't worry I've ever meet James Taylor I'm gonna cry for sure I know it so I like 100% I'm gonna cry ever since the singer released her accusatory track in 1972 the identity of you has remained one of the greatest mysteries in music history but she did date Warren batty right what you what it came out in 722 well here's a I give you when did Sweet Home Alabama come out look at all the possibilities Warren batty michelon Dave Michael Kon um Jack Nicholson Cat Stevens J or even rumored flings with Shan connory Marvin Gay Marvin Gay M Jagger possibility of MC Jagger I bet Marvin Gay something different with that lady got around she got around with all the talented [ __ ] she got around I bet Marvin Gay was a monster oh my God I'm just [ __ ] when did Sweet Home Alabama come out so you know Sweet Home Alabama was a clapback track yeah for so it was in it was in the dis world too so I think it right around that early 70 era too yeah4 oh so it was after that your sane came out before it yeah but when did Southern Man come out probably the same time right it just a year before so that was 1970 yeah oh no so a few years before so they wrote it about southern man is that what they wrote it about yeah yeah they were the
idea was and Neil Young was speaking a lot about what was happening down there in the south at the time and uh Ronnie's position was just simply like hey man we stay the [ __ ] out of your business stay out of ours yeah you know a Southern Man don't need him around anyhow yeah you know it's how kind of how he came back up what a banger of a what a bang what a banger talking that that is a sweet home give me some of that yeah please damn that's a good song I mean all respect to Neil Young that's better than anything he's ever done in his life no no Neil Young apologized later was really cool he owned it he he he publicly said Ronnie was right well you know yeah name NE young his name checked and DED yeah I don't think they thought about it that way back then it reached number eight the Billboard Hot one give me some Sweet Home Alabama there that's a song that you hear in the bar and the first couple of chords play and you go oh get there you just immediately stand up you're like oh we're F the party oh baby and I'm I hate to be this guy but I immediately look around I'm like everybody in here who doesn't know this song I don't know that we can be friends if you can't at least sing the chorus or if you don't go this might be one of the most recognizable songs ever what this it gonna be a live video too you just like to go for the live one especially this one I love [Music] it once again look at these bad [Music] [Applause] [ __ ] oh they were so fun you want to talk about people that couldn't get the [ __ ] away from them and they're from Florida yeah [Music] 77 so that's Ronnie oh no that's [Music] Johnny once again how great Gary rossington was he to me he's the greatest guitarist that ever lived up there with Hendrickson him he's on Mount Rushmore guitarist because I can't name another guitarist Clapton of course that has more riffs that you want to go you want to hum right right cuz like um uh yo the Free Bird
[Music] solo you know what I'm saying dude um uh give me three steps you're like you can there has not been that since if you ask me you know what I mean like him Clapton Hendrick like they had those kind of guitars but this was different cuz it was riffs right it wasn't like a solo they were singing over these riffs right and the riffs were bigger than the melody sometimes they captured you if you tell somebody right now like have you ever heard the song Sweet Home Alabama and they go how's it go you wouldn't go sweet you'd go yeah it's crazy that's how good Gary was man that's solo in Freebird is insane oh it is it's the best solo ever ever it's hard to say because of Hendrick and Steve Rayvon and a bunch of other people Eddie Van Halen but that solo was the same every time they did it oh the the story about Sweet Home Alabama um they're sitting at a sound check and it's just Ronnie and Gary and Gary's holding electric and he goes man I got this I just don't know what to do with it it's and Ronnie goes well hell just keep playing it let me [ __ ] with it so they just looped that and that's how they wrote the song Just them two yeah dude I'm so I'm such a I have like Skinner to me is like Jesus you know what I'm saying I'm a giant Skinner fan and you know what I love about Skinner too they came out of Florida like who would have saw that no dude jacksonv saw that straight out of jackonville what Jacksonville is not going to make any amazing bands dude how's this band come out of Jacksonville and every song is about running away from girls I got to go ladies I got to be free give me two steps I love you but I got to go it's crazy you know what I'm saying I got to go I got to go oh dude they were the best man when Gary when Gary's family gave me that guitar after he passed away it still is up there with like my top probably 10 possessions that I've ever been gifted you know what I mean of I have it in my studio now and I I hung it in a case with the note that his family wrote me with the picture that we took the night he played the guitar and I put a lock on the case instead of just casing it forever I put a lock on it so I can still play it so when we do the
album there's a couple of tracks that we played a Gary rossington guitar on oh wow you know what I mean because it was a Gary rossington played guitar Wow and his family the estate gave it to me right after he passed does it sound different it's got well it's it's um it's an old Les Paul and it's older so it's got a different pickup on it so it's got some different tunes and textures to it what's the difference between like the older pickups and the newer ones I don't know I'm not as educated in it as most like real guitarist I'm a I'm a campfire guitarist but it's you know over the years they always found different ways to to make them so they were as they were improving them but the sounds and textures were getting different so but I forgot exactly what he does cuz he takes a pickup from another guitar and puts it in too I think in most of his guitars because there's a lot of real guitarists that are like they'll want to play this guitar but they'll want to put this from this guitar on this guitar cuz that's their [ __ ] yeah cuz they like the way well I like the pickup on this or I like this and this or I like the way this you know whatever makes sense and then they'll have a kind of hodge podge like that but uh you know something else when Gary survived that uh plane crash let's think about him playing guitar he he had a rod that went from right here Joe to his elbow oh my God and still played the guitar that way so if you ever watched Gary play the guitar he always kind of played it high like Charlie Crockett but it was or or down here like this because he couldn't he couldn't full-blown get full extension on the wrist yeah so he was playing all those from 70 whatever the 70 what when was the plane crash Jamie you know off top I figured you might know off the top but how many people died in the crash I know Ronnie did for sure I think it was two or three wasn't Ronnie standing up was in 77 so so that video you just show might have been one of Ronnie's last performances he was standing up when the plane crashed right he like went and sit down he was drinking yeah they were just partying they were just Leonard skining dude you know what I'm saying if he sat down and put a seat Bel on he might be still be here it's crazy dude it is it is crazy
man God damn was it you said it was 77 3 days after their fifth album was released yeah Street survivors wow just totally different man I've I've gotten so far into there we we've been covering skinnard on the road for years and years anyway just that's probably not a skinnard song I can't play you know right if we were to go to a bar tonight you probably just randomly pick a skard song and I'd go up there and be able to just kill just love skard dude you know what I mean just they were awesome man we they they were gone too quick you know and I know they toured after Ronnie died and but it was wasn't the same yeah you know the reason they still tour and one thing I I don't as a DI hard fan I don't object to it a lot now that Gary's gone it's a little rougher because he was the last living one but Johnny VanZant which who how are him and Ronnie Ken I always confuse it their cousins right are they brothers because remember the three VanZant want to talk about a family Joe Johnny Ronnie VanZant created lonard skinnard was the first lead singer Johnny VanZant took his plot when he died and the other VanZant Brothers the lead singer at 38 Special crazy it's the younger brother yeah it's the younger brother so his younger brother took right over and like I tell people is there's the average Leonard skinnard fan that's not like me and you like obsessed with him to a degree they don't know anybody other than him to be their singer because he's been their singer 40 four years longer than Ronnie was that band was only been out for four years when Ronnie died right you know what I mean so it's like an ACDC type thing exactly you know what I mean so it's like and the fact that it's a true van xan and Johnny's still the lead man to this day so when I go see him I still feel like I'm watching Ronnie a little bit looks just like him still got the same long hair as Johnny VanZant dude you know what I mean Ronnie was a [ __ ] psycho though no he was that's the difference Johnny's like a really really calm cool man of God he's also older now you know these dudes are all Ricky Medlock and them he was with the original group too pretty much he's still there them dudes are all in their 70s yeah and that nuts too cuz when we were kids we never thought that rock stars be touring in their 70s they're
going to come out from my Jacksonville show they came and sung with me last time yep that's amazing Johnny and Ricky always come out and sing man they're fun that's awesome yeah dude it's still it never gets any dude look at you you're living the life it's [ __ ] weird dude living the life it's the [ __ ] we grew up listening to you know what I'm saying it's like I don't know man it's weird when you meet people that you that were real famous when you're were a kid that to me is always going to be the weirdest one it's the one Steven Tyler like that meeting that dude meeting people like that it's just like you just feel weirded out I met Tarantino I was like oh dude this is weird yeah especially weird especially people you watched back in your childhood yeah out of all the comedians I met the only one I've probably ever been made an ass of myself to was Ron White because I literally have watched him since I was a teenager because he was such a voice for um I don't want this to come off disrespectful but being from the south in my household we thought Jeff Foxworthy was incredibly funny we liked his books more than his comedy though because we felt like his comedy almost felt a little forced to us as southern people it just didn't sit right as you know in my household in what way um in this way of like there's you might be a redneck yeah yeah yeah yeah you know what I mean if your family tree does not Fork it was hilarious but we no all the books we religiously but when we're watching a blue collar special as a family and I know this wasn't the way to watch it in hindsight we're all way noon you know what I mean like he's he's the voice of our household but I'm also in a household full of drunk SP the way my father's a raging alcoholic My Mother Does Drugs all my brothers do drugs but it was like you know we Lov we'd love Jeff we love um we love Bill Larry the Cable Guy but man when we just Ron was our you know he just spoke to what our household was doing you know what I mean so when I met him it was kind of like man I got to tell my [ __ ] Mama well when he first started hanging out the store about like I guess it was about 10 years ago um he never had like a club like that before where it was like a home base m you know he was always a successful touring comedian so he'd
bring guys to open up for him on the road but it was basically the Ron White Show then he started hanging out with us at the store and he was like man this is what I've been missing you know I've been missing like a real camaraderie like the base the the home base where everybody goes and just hangs out makes all the difference in the world it is no well iron sharpens iron too yeah when you're in Nashville too I mean think about how many different amazing artists there are that you go see live in Nashville just [ __ ] around on a regular night for sure dks Bentley goes and plays this like um with his bluegrass band like a 200 person bar every week that's amazing you know like his little sub verion of a bluegrass band it's uh talking about that's how I feel about our songwriting Community too I've I've wrote in LA and I've had big songs come out of LA but Nashville is just man it's it's the killers you know what I mean it's the dudes that are just the the the dudes and girls down there they're in those rooms every day are snipers they've been doing it forever the same thing like you doing all those shows it's the same thing like them right you just get real good at your [ __ ] job for sure and you get to know how to Pivot you know what I mean like that's something else that comes with being on that stage a bunch is like the more you do it the more circumstances you've been up against nothing starts to scare you no more right like even if I walk out to a crowd like if I'm opening for somebody still and I walk out and I'm like ah I'm going to have to I'm going to have to really work for this one I'm not panicked I've done it enough now I even watch some guys in my band get a little Panic we'll be on the second song and you'll see them going like why are they're not just so excited we're here I'm like just relax it's okay we're going to get there you know what I'm saying let's just have fun the hardest spot is opening on a comedy show it's brutal I tell every comedian that opens for me this is like running with weights on yeah talking about like the one of three not the feature slot the number one first guy first guy on stage that's the hardest gig and it's the gig for the guys that are the youngest that are the Learners they're learning it they don't
really know how to do it yet you know and you're kind of responsible for getting the first laugh of the night you are 100% responsible for that's a man you got to break the room yeah Hans Kim is like our best opener because Hans Kim has structure all his jokes have structure so he puts you in this mode of laughing at ridiculous [ __ ] and he puts you in this like it's like a very structured set so he gets people into like the hypnosis of Comedy right he get locked into laughing and then boom next comedian goes up and the the bar is already set yeah you're already Loos and everybody's running but that first spot man you got to like it's the yeah same with us that you if you're one of three Alexander K is doing it on this tour and she's killing it but it is a rough one CU you one you've got your fans that knew you were one of three and they showed up early so that's what that's the only thing you have to Advantage the rest of it is people literally walking in with popcorn and beer in their hand wondering why the show's already started you know what I mean right exactly you know I've had I I tell people all the time you're not going to be a good performer until you performed in a place where people looked at you like you were interrupting them right you know what I mean you ever been to a place where you're like hey I'm sorry I'm bothering y'all by playing loud music up here you [ __ ] knew you were coming to a bar [ __ ] you know what I'm saying it's just you know but those are the funnest two though I got to open up for Morgan Wallen this year a few times and it was really fun because in the last few years we've just been headlining we haven't got to really you know go out and do something that was so much dramatically bigger than us that it made sense for us to do it and I love Morgan so I was like I'm in and uh and we went out there and it was cool because you feel it immediately you're like even with the hits I have you know there's 70,000 people here that bought a ticket to see Morgan Wallen for they knew my name was on the bill right you know so there's a lot of people here that are with me but I'm still having to tell I'm still up here like oh okay tonight you know um I say there's three scenarios in my business and I don't know if this is probably different for y'alls but in
mine my three scenarios are this one is the your welcome we're here right which is the simple like thank y'all we thank each other you came to see me I'm going to give you a great show thank you it's the easy one right the the other one is the thank you for listening I appreciate that you gave me enough respect that you sat here and listen to me and the third one is the one that makes men it's the hey [ __ ] I'm singing yeah and you have to go through a couple hundred of those before you get good you know what I mean like I don't care and that's what's been so about like the Tik Tock explosion is you have these kids that'll have this big hit Joe and they'll have five or six hits in a row and they can start selling 2,000 seats at a theater overnight it's kind of like the podcasters that have a quick quick flip and they go to the comedy clubs on a Friday yeah but can't make nobody laugh or stay these kids go straight into 2,000 seat rooms and then stand up there like I've never done a [ __ ] show I've never stood a front of anybody oh my God imagine getting a big Tik Tok hit Joe never doing a show in your life and showing up you know what I mean or imagine it's even worse they put you on an opening tour for somebody they're like we got an Amphitheater act that'll let you be two of four this will be great you're going out there looking at 6,000 people oh my God you've never stood up in a bar I'm watching it happen to people all the time I'm having to grab these kids and kind of Mentor them now and it's the flip side of it where like booking agents are dragging them to the slaughter of course they just want to make money they don't give a [ __ ] and and and here's the problem imagine you're kid you're 20 years old 22 years old you've got a big successful record and you're going to meet booking agents you're excited I've been there you know and the first one's like we're going to put you right in 2,000 seat rooms you're going to get $22,000 a night you're like woo what a night and we're going to do it three nights every weekend oh my God I'm rich I'm buying a Corvette that's [ __ ] it immediately and then you go to the next booking age and they're like now hear me out my plan is for you to go play these 200 cap rooms like the high-fi in Indianapolis the end in Nashville we're going to go do that for
six months we're going to get like 40 shows under your belt you'll get like 1,300 bucks a night 1200 bucks a night and they're like [ __ ] you the other guy just said I'm getting $25,000 a night immediately but this guy actually knows what he's doing though you know what I mean this guy actually is doing it right but he always go they go back to the money yeah and then they end up having a circle back and they got to refigure it out anyway you I tell people all the time you might be able to skip the line a little bit but you can't cheat the game you know what I mean you going have to put them hours in one way or the other bu the same thing with Fighters you know I see Fighters that come out and they compete in the UFC and like their first fight they look fantastic and they're fast-tracked and sometimes guys get broken because they they meet Top Flight competition before they're really ready they're really like an upand cominging fighter honing their skills and they run into a Wy veteran who's like a top 15 guy and they get [ __ ] up and they're kind of never the same yeah because they really shouldn't have been fighting that guy whereas boxing is a lot more clever if they have a guy who's like a Terrence Crawford or someone's a really good fighter they'll match him up correctly until they can make the big money and until their skills are at a very very high level and then they start challenging for a world title but they prepare them they get him they put him that the thing about the UFC is sometimes you just get thrown right to the wolves and if you're Jon Jones that's fine yeah you know Jon Jones wins the title at 22 yeah you know but most guys are not Jon Jones and most guys could be like an elite fighter but the circumstances just derail them before they ever get there it burn them too early man yeah they burn him too early you know and it's like what the perfect example of this in the UFC to me is one guy could be sugar Sean who went on to be that guy right immediately I know he just had his loss but I mean he still looks like sugar to me you know that kid's tough and the other one could be that kid that we all love but I always confuse it was it Hooper or Hopper the 19-year-old kid he had a sugar Shan kind of thing going he was a
he was a contender series guy too CH Hooper hoer that was him and to me that's kind of the tale of the same kid you know what I mean where it's like for sugar it kind of work but he's I tell this what I tell my people still has a shot he's still super talented he just had to really get better at striking yeah he's just young and has to ccle he got a lot better he got a lot better at everything he's really good on the ground yeah no the kid the kid's great he also went up to 55 which I think was big because he was he was killing himself yeah good yeah no you could tell it was a big weight C especially for such a kid his frames they're they're they're kids MH I think we still haven't seen what Sea's real man body is going to look like yet completely he's just now is he 30 now okay so we see him but but they say it's 25 or 26 now before you actually see a full development well you definitely see some of these guys that are coming in that are 22 that are still growing they're still getting bigger like R Rosas Jr he's 19 years old and that kid still growing every time you see him looks more muscular more jacked you know he's still in his prime I mean not even close to his prime he's just still growing up yeah there's still um that's a yeah that's a that's a there's a growing thing that's yeah I guess it's different too man I'm thinking about that kid like Chase is that getting put into that National SP at the biggest fighting organization in the world at 19 M you know what I mean and you're like tandre sweat is the defensive end for the Tennessee Titans I'm a huge Titans fan he was our first round first round pick this year defensive end I went to go hang out with him because I just think he's great I think he's going to be a superstar he's 22 years old he's probably 65 300 and something pounds and he can't grow a full beer jet you know what I mean you know what I'm saying like he it's still it's patchy you know how it is when you're in your early 20s it's still patchy and I'm looking like and I'm looking at Jeffrey Simmons who's our veteran defensive end who's 66 just cut like a and I was like oh that's where you're going to be at in four years three years you know what I mean because we picked up Jeffrey Simmons as a rookie too it's like even
at 22 years old they haven't fully developed in yet you know that dude I'm looking at DeAndre sweat right now and I'm like you still got a baby face like you still got a you know what I mean look at big baby look at baby face sweat you know what I mean look but you see this face of him right here that's all you need to know about his personality at Big F that's who he is as a human he's the sweetest dude ever but you can still tell by the look of his face you know what I mean that face is going to slim down and get a little more you know that's the craziest job yeah being a pro football player is the craziest job cuz you're you're literally in a car wreck every day especially guys for their position they're in a car wreck every play yeah I think about this offensive lineman defensive linemen guaranteed full contact every snap 100% every time we snap the ball cuz like the wide receivers they're going to hand fight backfield they're going to there's going to be some action but not full contact every play right every single play as soon as they say what these two linemen are [ __ ] collision coursing and trying Jesus and they're both hitting each other with the intention of trying to knock the other one down first right the goal is like if I could hit you and knock you down and go right past you after that I just got to fight my way and they're all 300 plus pounds of solid muscle huge full-blown athletes their whole life been playing since they were eight what ciding with each other and that's the American sport yeah it's a totally just full I mean in full speed ain't it kind of crazy that that is the American sport I mean what other countries even play it other than Canada yeah who else plays football like American style football they don't even play it overseas yeah they don't even touch it no that was when Nate when Nate barasi hosted Saturday Night Live not this time but last year he did that SK that skit joke about it coming from the UK and he was like and we will have a sport named football and they were like oh where you'll kick a ball they'll go no and they'll go so you never kicked the ball they go sometimes and it's it's so funny about trying to explain football to somebody not from here it's bizarre that we didn't call it
a different thing mhm if they were calling it football and it was soccer and we just said no we're going to change the name of that we're going to call it soccer yeah and this is football now like what are you talking about it's the American white dude yeah it's like hey we don't care how y'all do temperature everywhere else yeah exactly [ __ ] you we go with degrees Fahrenheit [ __ ] yeah [ __ ] you we're to create one [ __ ] your metric system metric system is so much more efficient we're like nah I don't like it you'll love that n skit there because that's what he does he just kind of goes through trashing all these ideas the best part is Kenan looks at him at the new skit and goes what about my people will the slaves be freed after the war he said they will be freed after a war said but not this one just fcking I don't know it was a good skit man it was really funny outside of him that he's a funny dude another Nashville guy love him man big big um have you have you seen Theo thinking of Nashville speaking of Nashville guys you seen Theo do his impression to you oh yeah it's the [ __ ] B it's my favorite thing ever J roll at every acceptance speech see if we can find it Jerry I want to thank the concrete l [Laughter] oh de he did it with him and Joey wins an award gets up there and he's like I just want to thank right now there's somebody who's stuck under a bridge there's somebody out there 11 foot in a size eight tennis shoe I was a matri d and a macaroni G and now I'm a gramy tell you to keep it's a simulation Joe yeah I think it might be I could I I just couldn't believe that I'd be in a place where Theo Von would one be my buddy he came to my La show it just made me so happy I almost cry when I see him I was so excited but then to have him you know just [ __ ] dude I was um I've said this a lot there's a dream for an artist there's nothing more pop culture than being brought up in a comedy special like if you was an artist back in the old days and you got brought up on an HBO special you were on [ __ ] fire you could not be bigger you know what I'm saying so it's like I have those that's to me is like those unreal
moments when you watch a guy like Theo with his platform impersonating me to do a tea and we're friends too and it's just like man I would have never even I never thought I'd win an award to give a speech or more or less that the speech would be so viral that a comedian would have a impression of it you know what I mean it's like it's the I don't know it's the greatest that's the greatest ment you can be paid in pop culture as if a comedian will burn on you a little bit that's hilarious that one was perfect I'm still like that's my like the first time I get dropped in a special I'm going to lose my [ __ ] it's going to remind me of little me watching HBO specials you know what I someone's listening is right now some comic's probably going to write a bit put you in there don't be mean no just be funny just for fun maybe it's Theo yeah right maybe Theo do that in a special Theo Theo's such a I'm I I don't trying to steal him from Nashville God I know steal him well listen for what it's worth I don't I think the wife and I are on the way too really yeah you know my wife my wife was born in Houston oh okay she's always had Texas in her heart uh I went out on the river up here and it's just I'm coming brother telling you man I love it dude I just love the city I love the space before I got here last night just the few people that knew I was coming I'd already got text from my friends down here from Carrie to Bruce to people that you know just just I even my wife was like you love it there I was like she loves Texas anyway so she's all in we're talking about it real that's beautiful yeah we'll always be back and forth because Nashville's always Nashville to me are you friends with Gary Clark yes I love Gary Clark by Clark's a wizard he's a wizard that's something else I was talking to his his manager's name Scooter have you ever met scooter yeah scooter is the best and I was like I think if I came down there we would get you know if I brought the culture the way I approach songw writing in Nashville here I think we could have a little Paradigm Shift down here too why not you know what I mean let's go that's you feel me go Jo fro a musical Mothership hey let's go I've told you this before drunk and I mean it then and I mean it now I'm
going to come to you one day and you're it's not going to surprise you I hope and I'm going to with a concept about doing the mother uh you just giv me the right to call it the uh the music Mothership in Nashville I'll give you the right right now all right cool for it I got a plan man cuz what y'all do for comedy we have sing have you into a writer's round no Joe when you come to Nashville please please come a little early let me take you to a writer round okay you will have a ball so what happens is the songwriters who are writing all these big hit records in town come and they go to these bars and they do writers rounds they'll set up three or four bar stools and every songwriter will have a guitar and they'll sing a song they wrote and tell you the story about the song oh and it's the coolest it's the coolest thing ever because it's a dude don't not being funny but a dude that looks like me if I wasn't you me or a dude that looks like young Jamie and then he sings live like I'm Dying by Tim McGraw and he tells the most heartfelt story about where he was at in his life when he wrote the song and how he came up with the concept for it oh wow and it's this beautiful thing and there's only one place in town that's really famous for it it's called The Bluebird Cafe they happen everywhere and the first time I left the Mother Ship I was like I'm doing this for music I'm going to create this same culture for our songwriters because what happens is if you can create a place where people feel safe they show up yeah so what happens is because like I don't go to the Bluebird Cafe a lot because it's a pain in the ass to get in and out of so if one of my friends calls like hey I'm at The Bluebird it's a legendary spot and I love it they're like when you come sing something with me it's like you know what I mean there's no structure it was you built your club for comedy you knew that if the comedians were happy they would show the [ __ ] up and that if you did everything you could to cater it to the comedians first that they would come and bring their best and the best comedians would be there which means that people were going to come see the best art right same concept I'm going to try to do with music it's my next move dude let me open my bar first
Bubba I'm going to circle back about this idea I just want your right to call it I don't want no money no do it I just want to call it the music Mothership and I'm and we'll talk about the logo because I want to kind of do a music I want to be like a guitar version of the alien you know what I'm saying do it do it up do it up imagine your a little alien with a guitar you know what I'm saying it called the music Mothership why not well the the idea behind it you could definitely apply to music yeah kind of idea take the phones so we you know what else what happens too I thought about this if I take the phones like y'all do then it becomes a laboratory yeah right because then it goes from like not only will I sing you the hit I just wrote how about I got a song Morgan wallen's going to put out next month oh that nobody's heard oo o you see what I'm saying yeah yeah and it's a safe place Morgan shows up to sing it nobody's videoing nobody's picturing people know it's a laboratory too and that's another exciting thing about it like uh when you go to the ship you go to that bottom of the barrel show that's a full laboratory show my favorite show I've seen there nobody knows what the [ __ ] it's going to be about just reach into a barrel and pulling out suggestions yeah that a bunch of people that are Mothership fans wrote on paper yeah I've it gets wild immediately there [ __ ] not there wasn't a warm-up question it's automatically to the Brian Simpson is so good at it by the way yeah well it's his show but the reason why it's so good is because it's like a premise Factory like you just get ignited by this thought that you didn't think of before that like in that moment someone says something about fir trucks and then you're like you know about fir truck and then all of a sudden there's a bit right like all of a sudden because of necessity because you're forced into the situation where you're trying to like it's literally like you're calling on the Muse on the stage and you know a lot of times it's nothing like seven out of 10 times you ain't got [ __ ] for that bit but every now and then you catch fire and that becomes like a bit oh you have you ever had one bir into a bit a bunch of them I'll tell you which ones off stage or off camera but a bunch of them
a bunch of them yeah a bunch of them cuz it's just like that that that little room too is like so like you can't [ __ ] anybody in that little room no I like it it feels like we're all sitting Indian style together yeah there's only 100 people in there 110 I think is when it's fully packed it's just Dave was the first person to go on Dave there really yeah well actually Shane first Shane opened for Gillis Gillis open for Chappelle we didn't even tell the audience who was going on stage we just said it's a special intimate show sold out like that nobody knew who it was and then Gillis goes on stage does 15 minutes and he brings up Dave and Dave is like an hour and a half God and he just fully writes on stage like he had just done a special he fully writes on stage like he has ideas and he just like lets him breathe just [ __ ] around on stage gets a little tipsy just [ __ ] around on stage can I tell that you can cut this if you don't want me tell it but my favorite story I tell about you is my time at comedy club with you was one of the first times I did this PO I think you had shows at night and I went to both of them and the first one was killer but the second one you had gotten a little slippery and it was fun it was it was it was like cuz I remember right before you walked out there you even looked at me that's the word you use you said I felt a little slippery it's just a little loose you had your cup in your hand and I just seen a twinkle in you I was like oh I'm staying because I was going to leave I'd already seen the show you know and you did two shows I was like oh I got to see this I think this one's going to be a little different those the fun ones yeah it was fun man cuz I got to watch the same set but you [ __ ] around a little more and kind of get lost in it sometimes just having fun with it yeah you know like you could tell you were like you did the first one like this is what I know I got and the second one you had a couple cocktails like I'm going to Riff on this point a little bit just [ __ ] off sometimes when you do that you have the best part of the joke that's and that's when you'll find probably the [ __ ] that closes it out M there sometimes like taglines just come to you in the moment and you're like wow I never even thought of that
one before yeah do you get straight off stage and write them down no I record my sets oh wow so then after I I'm done I'll listen to the recording and I'll write yeah I sit down from the laptop and just actually sit down and put them out does it help you to see your ideas like that it helps me to expand on them because it takes longer to type a thought than it does to think it right so like if I'm thinking a coffee cup I'm thinking of it instantly but it takes a couple of seconds for me to write it and that gives me chances to like explore left rights down up all these different ways you can go with an idea yeah so and then I'll usually like try to write it out like a essay form so if I have an idea and it's funny and it does really well in like bottom of the barrel or a riff out of nowhere then I take that idea and I just write out like a essay just I'm not even trying to be funny I just try to think about all the different angles of this idea and then I'll extract like little pieces of it and try these little pieces on stage wow and then you go and test them and chew the meat and spit the fat and sometimes in the middle of it you're like this sounds wrong this sounds disingenuous I take a totally different approach sometimes I contradict myself like in the middle of it I'll go but what the [ __ ] do I why would I think that I know the answer to that and then that becomes the bit right then it turns into a turn yeah you never know man and the whole thing is just numbers you just got to put a lot of numbers in a lot of numbers in front of the computer numbers on stage it's just it's like this constant process of like building a mountain one layer of paint at a time yeah just kep just constant time under pressure yeah my my me and my daughter she wants to write she writes songs she's already so much better than I was at 16 but um she would come to me a couple years ago and she'd be like hey I want to put some of this stuff out I've been writing all this stuff and I was torn because I was like well you should have the right to put out whatever you want that's the freedom that exists but I know something you don't know that you just wrote your first 30 songs and they're incredible for your first 30 songs you know what I mean like you know what I mean like yeah you go go write a 100 and let's see if
we can find five that are worth rewriting reworking refiguring out you know what I mean and and I was cool it taught me a lot about her personality cuz she was like I get it she got it immediately I wouldn't have got it at 15 you know what I mean she got it she was like cool no problem she probably sees what you do you know and that's the beautiful thing about having an an example whether it's your peers or for her your dad you know you get to see an example of how someone does a process cuz if you're not around anybody that's trying to get good at something you don't really know how to do it right that's one of the cool things about a conversation like this because there's people out there that are listening that don't have anybody around them that's doing cool [ __ ] right and they think it's impossible and they hear about this dude that was in jail for half his [ __ ] life and you know this other dude who's a cage fighting com c cage fighting commentator and standup comedian like these [ __ ] guys are not they're not normal either right like maybe I'm not normal maybe like this maybe there is something out there for me yes but I don't hear it from anybody in my neighborhood I don't hear it from my parents I don't hear it from my my teachers I don't hear from my boss right and I'm [ __ ] lost you know and then they hear people talk about like the love of writing songs that you have the the passion you have for creating a thing how you piece it how you jump up and write down the premise you write down an an idea for a lyric and then in their head they're like I can do that with something yeah I can do that with something I just have to find a thing see just find a thing man just just there was my dad I sat down with him at a bar called the tin roof on the Mumy Street one night Joe and I looked my dad in the eye and I said I'm done I said I've I've done everything I can I remember I was probably 29 years old it's probably a decade ago and I said Dad i' I've been out of jail 5 years or four years or whatever I have done everything I can in this business you know how hard I've worked do you think our brother Roger will give me a job on a meat truck cuz my father sold meat so to my brother he said I know your brother will give you a
drive on a meat truck but I want to give you some perspective I said I'm I'm I'm open for a healthy dose of that he said you've only been out here trying this as hard as you possibly can for five years just five four years four and a five years I said Dad that's five years he said if you went to Vanderbilt you still wouldn't have your bachelor's degree Joe it's true right it's so true it it it covered me and he said Jason you're working as hard as you really as I know you are if you're really writing every day if you're doing shows every weekend I was opening up 50 bucks a night I mean y you know my story is that old school get in the van and go do a thousand shows for [ __ ] gas money you know what I mean he was like if you're really doing that there's no way it's not going to work if you're really doing it not you're faking it not you're half assing it if you're really this is all that matters to you if you were going to Vanderbilt right now and you did it for another 5 years you'd finally be a brain Sur surgeon he said if I was you I'd wait and see if I was a brain surgeon you know what I'm saying I swear dude I'll never forget and I'll never forget calling him crying the first time I moved into a neighborhood with a surgeon you know what I mean right you know when you call him like you won't [ __ ] believe I just met my neighbor guess what he does what he's a [ __ ] plastic surgeon you know what I'm saying that's crazy yeah that old man knew something though but he just knew that the law of work would never work against against us you know what I mean yeah if you keep going that's the thing we were talking about before about people bailing out yeah that's it it gets hard you just got to sit man you just got you just got to sit man you just got to sit you also got to recognize when you're making the Right Moves or the wrong moves you know with what you're doing and sometimes people don't want a course correct they don't want a course correct and then it could be a bad relationship o that one that one's tanked more guys than anything yeah I've seen it and gals I've seen it the bad relationship one that'll tank you no that'll do it become everything in your life is that thing and then you have very little resources for your art
yeah because your life is just a storm just a storm of confusion and chaos and [ __ ] emotions every day yeah and then trying to block it out to make the art exactly you know yeah if you can't allow it to be the Muse for it for me it was a little different because it became the Muse the chaos that was happening around me just became I had a moment where and this is such a cool Epiphany I had Joe for the longest time I thought I was special because I was from any Tennessee and I grew up in a certain kind of way around certain kind of people and that I was special because that was that I hung on to that like I'm different and then I realized what was happening was I was just like everybody else that's what the superpower really was is that every [ __ ] neighborhood in America's like Antioch almost you know what I mean so it was like a totally different thing so I started realizing oh this isn't this is the muse I'm speaking for every man when I'm writing just the chaos that's happening around me right now this is the Every Man story isn't it crazy that everybody wants to be special but every special person wants to be in every man yeah I like being in every man that's what I like being me too yeah but when you're kid you want to be different you want to pretend that you're different than other people because that'll make success more attainable exactly you want to pretend that you have some special quality and ability that other people don't possess that's why you can get to this bizarre position that everybody wants where everybody in our business wants to be successful and famous so you have to be bizarre you have to be and then once you get there you're like oh [ __ ] I'm everybody everybody's just the same everybody's the same I gotta get make sure that I keep that yeah make sure that I keep we're all the same that's it was it was in my songwriting I'm going to say 2015 16ish I realized that I was trying to tell special stories and that God had put me in a situation he was screaming at me to tell a story of a group of people that had never had their story told but I was just going out of my way to try to come up with a special story you know what I mean and then when I
started being like you know what no I'm just going to write about my neighbor who's struggling with drug addiction I'm just going to write a song about my baby mother cuz I'm infuriated that she left our daughter high and dry like this because of drugs you know what I mean like I just started writing from that perspective and then I realized that it was connecting with people because it was the Every Man story you know what I mean um I almost called This Album Cinderella Man right and I'll tell you why I didn't but I thought I watched the movie and I was like I had a moment in that movie where when he's walking you've seen the movie right y'all all seen the movie he's walking in a um for those who haven't it's about a old boxer who in the Depression had kind of was on a losing streak kind of long in the too they call James bradic they would call him a journeyman is what we'd call him now just did look like he never going to work out for him working couldn't get a job on a loading do Almost Family Family splitting bread one of the greatest movies ever Russell Crow right yep and he comes out and towards then he ends up fighting his championship fight and it's a crazy movie to watch but when he's running he goes by the old Dock and they're all cheering for him and I relate to this cuz this happened to me and he didn't understand it so he looks at his manager you remember this scene this is the scene that I related to the most he looks at his manager goes why are they cheering for me he goes because you're them I was like I'm the [ __ ] Cinderella Man that's why this worked for me at 40 you know what I mean yeah and uh but I ended up calling it beautifully broken because as I started really writing because that's what my idea going into the project I'm going to write the Cinderella Man story and all I could think about was other people every time I'd pick up a pen I would think about this young lady at a show who told me that save me helped her because she was raped by her uncle so I'm like what do I write for her I see winning streak I watch this moment and I got to write that for him you know now I might write some of them from first perspective but it changed everything and all of a sudden I was
like this album ain't about me you know what I mean this album's about finding Beauty and broken things you know yeah and instantly it was like once again how God works as soon as I took me out of it the album blossomed yeah immediately I wrote a wrote 80 songs that sucked just couldn't find my way to what story I was trying to tell you know and just as soon as I was like well let's go back to where where's the Muse coming from what who am I writing for I say I'm the voice of the voiceless when I when I had the opportunity to go talk about fentol down at Capitol Hill I didn't hesitate I knew I was going to talk for a bunch of people that couldn't talk you know what I mean it's like who am I writing this for right and dude it changed that whole writing style dog and then I got lost and wrote another 80 damn but now I'm having fun I got a direction I feel like I've heard from God I'm Moses you know what I'm saying the burning bushes spoke I know what I'm supposed to be writing about you know it took me 18 16 months to get there but that's just how it works what you're saying too about taking yourself out of it soon as I took me out of it you know what I mean as soon as I took me out of it was that easy snap that fast it's almost like a trap like that's the You're So Vein song yeah it's like a trap like that trap of thinking about yourself you you waste so much of your resources yeah so much of your resources like thinking about how you want to come off how you want people to react to it how you want to like get out there and kill it in front of everybody and you miss all the beautiful magic all the magic it's right there yeah you know and you're just missing you you just get lost in the art and when you're at your best you are them you are one of them you singing for them you know when when I'm at my best it's when I didn't know they were cheering I didn't know they were even cheering for me right it's cuz I'm one of them you know what I mean it's kind of like the um yeah it's that it's that same kind yeah this album was the most fun I've ever had getting to an album I learned so much about myself I think that's one of the things that people really dislike about stars like famous people like people that you think of as stars that
they somehow think they're better than everybody else that's the thing that people like dislike the most like oh they think they're better than us they live in Beverly Hills they think they're better than us cuz they're a star you ain't better than us and it's like when someone can do what you do and stay the same person and stay them just a better version of who you used to be but stay stay normal yeah and actually getting better every day cuz I'm doing the work trying to be better you know what I mean I was telling the Titans when I went and talk to him at the game I was like I focus and I don't focus on winning anything but life like I I know the everything else is going to be good as long as I'm focused on being a good father like priority number one is like am I good husband what I've learned is if I'm winning as a husband and I'm winning as a father I am [ __ ] kicking ass in business yeah the last thing you want is those home dramas yeah you you don't want no home drama no it's crazy but it's also that's something we talking about things that distracted people I was in so many bad relationships early or even times in my life I was single courting multiple women and that's such a distraction like when I got with my wife and fell like to the point of being like I don't want to spend time with any woman but you when I have the time I have to spend I want to spend it with you and all my it's like my whole world suddenly went from feeling like it was this big to this big and when it got that small I was like oh man this is it we're in a foxhole yeah and then I just started kicking ass outside of that you know what I'm saying like life just starts winning and I'm like oh dude it's cuz I'm [ __ ] winning at home it's also what you're saying too about your resources like you have so much more to give you know and everything's positive a happy home life like feeds off your happy business life and your happy performing life that's what we all want you know we all want a beautiful community of people that are like enjoying life and experiencing life together your family and your friends and the people you [ __ ] around with you just want a beautiful community of people having a good time that's possible but it's hard and that's why
it's so wonderful when you get it because you know that there's a lot of people out there that are never going to get it man that's deep that's the probably the hardest part it's a lot of work towards it too though man a lot of a lot of it's a lot of work on yourself yeah yeah lot lots of lots of work but that's um that's work in relationships though man just think about the arc that you've gone through from being a kid getting arrested as a a kid spending all that time in juvenile and jail and then getting free and then figuring out that you're talented and then pursuing this crazy Impossible Dream you know to where you are now it's nuts sitting on the biggest podcast in the world my bubba it's it's an amazing Story I mean it's an amazing if it was in a movie you'd have a hard time believe it that that movie is nuts a man yeah for sure I'm telling you dude that little fat nerdy alien that's playing me on the game every day is [ __ ] killing it he's killing it my brother I appreciate you very much thank you I love you very much I got to I got to put Jamie on blast before we go though jie Jamie we had a deal me and Jamie had some cocktails one night I look at Jamie and we had a deal that if I ever played Ohio stadium Joe Rogan that Jamie was going to come out and play the guitar Jamie you got any video of you playing guitar yeah not recently but yeah I used to be in a band and played music on stage and stuff sure he definitely knew I talk know do you have any video of you playing guitar that we get sweat right now n it's no it's like you wouldn't know it was me it's just L heavy metal music yeah will you pull up a a buckeye Country Fest then so you can show everybody the flyer of the concert you're going to be playing next year oh my there it is baby I'll see you there Jamie Jamie June 21st 2025 Ohio Stadium Columbus Ohio let's [ __ ] go yeah [ __ ] jelly roll y'all come to see young Jamie play that guitar I love that Megan [ __ ] chick too she's listen man she's awesome awesome dude yeah my daugh turned me on to her yeah she's she's she is badass man when she made her opery Deb she wore a jelly roll jacket and it tickled me so pink it it made me like the cool dad for my daughter cuz my daughter loves too so
that's amazing cool I love you Joe man thank you for your time brother Beautifully Broken available now available now go get it bye everybody [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music]