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Joe Rogan podcast check it out The Joe Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day did you see uh H what she said that uh young black kids don't know what a computer is did you see her say that no I didn't see that oh my God it's and all these dudes did these hilarious videos where these young black guys like got around a computer and they stared it and bid it and took it there's like a it's like an age thing too cuz that that used to kind of be the line that like uh liberals would say you know the problem with black kids is they just don't have any role models they've never been exposed to this but it's just totally not true anymore and sometimes now because they're from a different generation they'll still say that and you're like are you have you been around black people lately saying young poor black kids don't know what a computer is is so crazy they've got one in their pocket it's such a dumb thing to say it's amazing that you could say something like that and be the governor of a major State don't even know what the word computer is oh they don't they're not even familiar with the term they don't know these things like is she doing a survey ma'am where did you get this data well this is why Malcolm X said that there's nothing more racist than a white liberal yes because of [ __ ] like this well they're weak weak people are dangerous weak people that don't like strength are dangerous they're dangerous because they want to suppress everything that's what's spooky about it weak people scare the [ __ ] out of me more than even like totalitarians do sometimes because they eventually become totalitarian you know it's like the bullied become the bullies you know they want pay back but it's just weak liberal men are to me the they're so detestable the weak ones I mean there's some intelligent brilliant liberal men they just that's their philosophy and I think if you're not exposed to the the pitfalls of liberalism if you don't see what happens to your state when those policies get enacted specifically when things go south if everything was going great like no one gave a [ __ ] who the mayor of Los Angeles was in 2015 cuz
everything was great right you know it was like there was no problems Obama was President the economy was doing good we weren't at War really kind of we were but wasn't affecting us right well there's something um on on that topic of like weak the weakness of modern liberals because I I was in um like late last year I was in San Diego and I haven't been to I mean I've been to La a couple times but much less than I used to go like when you were out there um and I I haven't been to San Francisco in years but I was in San Diego and it's like you know you've been there it's like a beautiful city down town and where where we were uh it's a great Comedy Club the American Comedy Company down there no great Club Great Club love that place um and I'm like downtown and uh we going me and my buddy Rob Bernstein uh very funny comedian who's uh with me on the trip we're like walking around the great restaurants really nice little D but then there's just blocks that are taken over by these homeless encampment like how how are all of the men here so weak that they won't just kind of like put their foot down and be like hey no we're not going to put up with this like we're not just it's almost like this um like niceness has taken over to the point that you can't even defend this cool city that you have here and I'm not saying like bash the homeless people with clubs or anything like that I'm just saying like why are you allowing this to happen and it is like a profound weakness that well we'd feel like bad people if we were to say we don't want junkies covered in [ __ ] right next to our outdoor dining you're like no that would just be reasonable well what they need is a reasonable plan to help these people if you really care if you really care you got to do something like you can't just let them exist everywhere and then in San Francisco the most recent bizarre one is they're going to give them alcohol they're going to give money in alcohol what is it is there are they giving them actual booze or they giving them money to buy booze help me out with this one because it's just so San Francisco San Francisco is amazing I lived there in the 70s I lived there during the Vietnam War when I was a little kid it was incredible it
was weird I'm sure like it shaped it shaped the way I view things cuz like if had grown up in like a very conservative environment with like my sensibilities like my hard work ethic and my belief that you know you get very fortunate in life in like how your you're gifted things like how you get lucky like if you're beautiful for instance if you're a beautiful woman or man you're what a rle of the dice I mean good Lord good Lord did you kill it in the [ __ ] genetic lottery I mean you can't do anything about that you can't earn that you can't go out and get Beauty you know but after that whatever hand you you've given you've been given a lot of it is on you a lot of it is on you yeah yeah yeah terrible things happen to people yeah yeah yeah violence happens crime happens disease happens yes 100% Misfortune happens 100% we're all anyone listening to this right now is lucky you can hear okay there's people that can't hear right but put that aside and there's a factor that we need to take into consideration that factor is discipline that factor is hard work that factor is focus and we should cherish that and we we we shouldn't think of it only as negative because it always people always think it manifests itself in greed and in callous disregard for other people's lives but that's not necessarily true they're not mutually exclusive like you can have discipline and be a kind person and be a compassionate person and be a liberal person but so often liberals in in this country they do not want to take that in consideration that discipline is a factor conservatives always value discipline they value hard work that's why when they want to sell [ __ ] to those people what do they do they show a guy on a farm cracking open a beer a guy who's just been working his [ __ ] ass off for 10 hours a day cracking a beer around here it's all just about hard work and they guy just throwing back a cold one you know I mean that's what they're selling you they're selling you hard work they're not selling you you know this poor farmer you know who's born into farming life and it's not Equitable or Fair while there's billionaires out there who just make money trading money and it's [ __ ] and we need to distribute wealth and
like no no that's not the answer either stupid like that's not the answer but you do need programs to get these people out of homelessness and you can't just encourage them to keep doing it it's bad for them it's bad for you it's bad for the city it's bad for property values it's bad for everything yep I couldn't agree more San Francisco gives actual alcohol we're not talking rubbing alcohol here right they're talking like oh they're so good they're so good they SP but these are the old hippies they're still there they're wearing masks right now while they're listening to this screaming they're they're all lost see the like to to your point it's like uh look it'd be ridiculous if if someone just completely dismissed the first part of you were saying like that there are some things that fortune luck you know we all didn't get leukemia as little kids and die had shot a drive by as a little kid and also there are just parts of the world like a lot of what you're saying really applies to like first world Advanced countries there you could be in a country that's just a war torn third world country and you're screwed no matter what you do um but so it'd be silly to dismiss that but it's also equally ridiculous to dismiss the other aspect to it that like okay there are every person every single person who's successful has conquered uh self-pity CU like everybody's had points in their lives where they've just felt really bad for themselves we've all had it we all do it it's a part of human nature that's right but it's also poison and anybody who's successful has learned how to conquer that and not just sit here and feel bad for yourself and to say nope I'm going to take control of this I'm gonna no matter what happened to me that I'm gonna not focus on that I'm GNA focus on what I can control and the problem is that on on either side if you dismiss one of them you you come to really stupid conclusions 100% And it's not lost on me the irony of two rich white guys one of them smoking a cigar talking about this I say I'm I'm climbing my way toward there I don't know if I rich by by global standards sure bro you're [ __ ] killing it standards I'm on Elon mus level I'm poor compared to Elon that is true you are broke do you think
laughs about you like when you're not there he's like poor little bastard goes I got coming over to the house put away the Good China oh God the rogans are coming there's levels of people I'm I'm friends now this is a bizarre thing to say with multiple billionaires yeah I know multiple guys that are billionaires and they're very nice people they're very and I can see how it happens but you're also friends with the cool billionaires yeah you know like you managed to find the cool ones well elon's the coolest he's my favorite billionaire that that dude's wild he's a wild boy I will buy Teslas as long as they sell them just to support that dude just to just to keep Twitter going and they're dope but yeah just to to support him man you you God damn it you need an Elon Musk in this world you need a wild boy you need a dude got $200 billion dollar who dunks on people dude how great was watching him realize in real time how stupid Don Lemon is oh my God like you could actually see on his face as asking questions and he like uh well if you lower standards then you're going to get more incompetence and Don lemon's like so you're saying black people aren't competent he's like no that's not and he slowly starts to realize like oh I have 80 IQ points on this guy it's not just that he said a very important point he said that Don Lemon was doing CNN outside of CNN and you don't have to do that you just don't nobody wants that anymore I say you can't do that it's not going to work it's not going to work but more importantly you shouldn't do it because it's not good for you just be a human don't be this thing this journalistic probing [ __ ] thing that's trying to spin a narrative actually have a conversation with this human you will probably agree with a lot of the things he says you will understand his perspective even if you disagree you could see how an intelligent person would come to this conclusion this is how we can talk to each other now we don't have to be confined by these five 5 minute segments where you have producers and Executives that are pushing an agenda that's on a network that's run by a bunch of huge [ __ ] corporations that have a vested interest in swaying The Narrative one way or the other you don't have to do
that anymore yeah that's not necess it's bad for people it's bad for Humanity it's a bad way to distribute information it is literal propaganda whether you think it is or not oh dude I mean I've even I mean I've done like a fair amount of like cable news shows and you know they'll do these things where it's like a panel and there'll be like three people on the panel and the person hosting the show and nothing get like there's some people who I really like who I've been on their shows but it's like you're trying to talk about the most important topics and everyone gets 20 seconds it's so ridiculous I want you to imagine a scenario imagine the scenario where covid breaks out um and for whatever reason the mainstream media is saying that we should be very careful about experimental drugs and they start these journalists start bringing up all these stories about different drugs where you could see how they chose very specific tests and that some of their tests some of their studies didn't go well at all and they buried those and they're allowed to do so and about they've killed thousands and thousands of people with these drugs they knew were bad for them and if the journalists were saying this but the podcasters we're all going you need to trust the science everyone should be vaccinated be vaccinated or you're a [ __ ] plague rat imagine imagine if the podcasters were calling the unvaccinated plague rats imagine if the podcasters were encouraging medical misinformation there was but but what my point is Imagine The backlash right now where there's none coming their way yeah there's zero it's like everyone forgot about it it all went away well I'm debating Chris I'll be debating Chris Cuomo in a few days so that'll be that'll be fun be we would be in jail all these people that are dropping Dead all these people with Strokes all these people with heart attacks all these people with the what what was the Astro zenica thing that I sent you today yeah yeah yeah what was it astrazenica they were saying that 11% of the people had an adverse side effect it's like serious adverse uh side effects yeah but even as you uh lay out this scenario doesn't it almost in some way be like it feels like that
makes more sense what would make more sense was that comedians like me and you would have just been saying the dumb thing and repeating it but the person in a suit and tie at CNN I mean this dude's a professional newsman like he knows what's going on they would make a very good argument for ending podcasts sure they'd make a very good argument for prosecuting people class action lawsuits all the people that encourage these podcasters with their limited you don't even have a medical degree and you're on the internet telling people what to do which is exactly what they did they did even though we were getting everything right and now most of them will admit that we were right now when you see Chris croma and Patrick B David spinning it listen I don't want to go too hard right now because I want him to show up uh but the fact that the fact that and I will make sure to bring this up to him but the fact that when he what he said and if you listen to it he literally goes as he's explaining that he is on um ior he goes now a lot of people are going to say Joe Rogan is right and and then he has a moment where he pauses realizes he can't even come up with anything and he goes all right Joe Rogan was right and then goes on to say exactly what you've been saying for years now that just the most basic thing that anyone who did 5 minutes of research could have figured out which there's no cont controversy in any of this that Ivor me has been given to humans billions of times that it's a safe drug and that there were some indications that it might help with Co and that it's not horse dewormer and that and but the fact that that's not attached to like a profuse apology be like hey I'm like if I I couldn't imagine a scenario where I had like viciously smeared someone for something then realized he was 100% right and I was 100% wrong and when acknowledging that I wouldn't also go hey I'm really sorry about that dud I think there's a cult-like thinking in mainstream media whether they they know they're being influenced by their sponsors or they're not but I don't even think they understand how crazy it is when I had sanj Gupta on Sanjay Gupta is a very nice man I think he's a good man I really do and he's he's a surgeon I mean he's very busy the guy is constantly
working and he comes in to give medical information and and give this you know lay things out for CNN and I think he thinks he's doing the right thing when they asked him to be on the podcast I I don't know what they thought was going to happen I don't think they I think they thought they were right I really do I think my my guess and this is just a guess um but I have been in that world a little bit like I I worked for CNN for a year and I've done a lot of shows on Fox News and I've met a lot of people you know and and talked to a lot of people who work at CNN and Fox News and my my guess on it is that number one he had a book so they want to sell copies of the book and they know you have the biggest show and so they're like oh this will be really good and then I also think this thing there's this thing where they all yeah they all really do feel like we're the experts and they know they're the experts because I mean I just got off the phone with you know the chief of staff of the White House and I know that you know they're very into that kind of like that world where I've talked to everyone with status and I think there there's hubris involved where they're like you'll be able to handle whatever a comedian throws at you like you're a medical expert and he is not but then you would just ask really basic questions which my favorite was uh when he goes so are you going to get the vaccine and you were like well no I just had covid I have natural immunity and you were like why should I get the vaccine and he had no answer and this was at a time when they were rolling out vaccine passports and he he just Dem they the whole line was just you have to get the vaccine or you're a bad person this is a pandemic of the unvaccinated and then he just demonstrated on your show that there was this huge category of people people who have had covid already who he had no argument for why they should get the thing not only that there had already been research that showed that natural immunity from previous infection was up to seven times better at preventing new cases of which is consistent AC cross viruses like it's always better to have natural immunity the the the vaccine always trying to simulate natural this is what was so [ __ ] look I'm no scholar I'm not a smart guy I'm a normal person I'm
there's nothing special about my brain and I'm seeing all this stuff and I'm like why isn't anybody speak I started to feel like I was going crazy like am I going crazy for not just letting them shoot me up with this stuff after I got Co just so I let everybody know I'm on the team right cuz 's this poll there's a [ __ ] societal poll that even me even me who was like this is I know this is ridiculous this make I all the people I've talked to all the research I've done on previous disease and but my research is reading other people's I don't I'm do it's a bad word all the reading that I've done Jimmy Jimmy door has a great bit about that so funny about don't do your own research it used to be called reading Jimmy door is awesome I love it love Jimmy door is a great bet I in my limited looking at this I was like something's wrong here there's this Mass societal push people are they're trapped in like a mind virus of this one particular solution and Dr Robert Malone laid what that out what what that is like psychologically what happens when one thing is offered that seems to be the solution out of this existential crisis horrible situation that we're in and anybody who opposes that opposes getting out and you got to be on that side Allin and you got to believe even in the pharmaceutical drug companies and like there's there's this weird you know cuz we're weird social psychological creatures and you know if you think about like the mgrm experiments and how what people will do if there's a person in a white coat telling them to do it and part of like the culture explain the milgrim things people don't know so the experiment was kind of like a basically they they come in and they're like okay you're here for some type of scientific experiment I forget exactly how they they describe to them but they're testing um you know like negative reinforcement within learning or something like that and so they have a guy in a white coat and he tells you every time a guy gets an answer wrong or something like this you're supposed to push the button and it zaps him and they keep pushing the button and it and the person you can't see them but they're like behind a wall or something keeps hollering in pain and it gets worse and worse and worse and for the experiment I
think there were a few people who like refused after a while but the overwhelming majority of people would keep zapping them until they seemingly died and because they stopped hollering in pain and then they would tell him to do it again and they would just keep doing it because there's like an authority figure here and this guy's got a white coat on and they kind of in these corporate media environments and I don't want to Discount I'm not discounting the conspiracy aspect of this because I also think there are people within these agencies who are straight up like intelligence assets and are know exactly what they're doing but I think for the most part it's like they create this culture of like well all the wise people who by the way you get to go to a cocktail party with this really like this guy with all this status and he is the leading expert in this and they all say this so are you a respectable person or are you like an outcast who doesn't agree with this conventional wisdom and people fall in line with that [ __ ] man like it's they fall in line with that they really do even people who really really should know better yeah but it's becomes socially their group too and then you get influenced by the group socially well one of this one of the things I'm really interested to talk to Chris Cuomo about um and by the way that's on Patrick B David show uh on the 31st um but you know these guys I'm kind of fascinated by the people in the corporate press as much um contempt as I have for them because it's amazing to be working you're working in this industry where okay before Co the the corporate media had the lowest uh approval numbers since they've been keeping track of them like trust media had evaporated there was the the war with Donald Trump that's really what it was it's like social media was all controlled by the leftwing media and the leftwing media was all in on this war against Donald Trump there's a huge part of it I mean I would say the backdrop is the war on terror the the terror Wars getting all of that wrong the financial crisis not seeing that coming and kind of getting M destru yeah that's all that stuff Iraq and Afghanistan being disasters so that's kind of in the backdrop and then you have the worst financial crisis in in
100 years so that happened but then there's no question I mean and particularly not just the war with Donald Trump but particularly the allegation of a conspiracy with Russia that they said every single day all day for three years long I mean if you think about it it's the big if true it's the biggest news story in the history of the United States of America they're claiming that the current sitting president is guilty of treason he was installed by a hostile foreign power who overthrew our elections in order to install him it was quite a claim to run with 247 and then to find out after three years that we have nothing not like there's nothing no evidence pointing toward this conspiracy even existing so that their their trust had already evaporated but then after Co people and argue this they'll still say there's evidence people still want to they still want to say there's evidence only say it there's not even evidence that Vladimir Putin interfered in the 2016 election the best they have is like there are some bot Farms that they can trace to Russian IP addresses which is like I'm not a tech guy Jamie you know this better than me but they say it's the easiest thing to fake is an IP address the the fact that an IP address traces to Russia is like almost more indicative that someone's trying to frame Russia than it is that was involved but even the guys who they got imagine if we was imagine if we found out that the the Russian troll Farms were like completely insignificant and it's all just like government controlled troll Farms well I mean look even if they were all from Vladimir Putin they were fairly insignificant in terms of like interfering in elections with other culture with other countries and how it work most effective strategy was funny memes yeah yeah I mean it really was a very effective strategy because it makes some when you mock something it Mak makes it much more easy to dismiss that in terms of whether or not like that's the right choice for president someone can like openly Mock and why do you think they openly mocked Donald Trump's they even made stuff up like about his hand size yeah remember they were there was this thing that he had little hands dude how shaking his hands he's got
normal [ __ ] hands big guy he's a big guy like he's he's got a big hand I was like this is the mo I remember the first time I shook his S I was like this is the most ridiculous thing well that everybody said he has little hands Mo mocking people is a powerful tool dude it's that's a crazy one because you're mocking something that someone can't change this is always against that's against left-wing ideology not when it serves the purposes right but that's the thing it's like you're willing to violate the rules yeah in or for your side to win because progressives have always supposed to been against body shaming you're you're you're supposed to be kind you're supposed to not KN Mo not mock a person's appearance why would you do especially like what they're born with hand size and the dick size like really that's okay to mock dude there was a a segment I remember watching this um it was in the 2016 election and it was on Joy Reed's Show on MSNBC her show at the time whatever it was and she had a whole segment um about uh like how sexist the coverage of Hillary Clinton was and it was you know every time they'll say she's shrill or she's this but if a man was like that it'd be this and she went through all these words that have been used to cover Hillary Clinton and how they're loaded sexist phrases and all this and then at the end of her show she has this segment called who won the week and all the guests on the panel get to pick their own like what happened this week and and her choice not one of the people on the panel her choice of who won the week was this uh guy in Union Square who made a naked statue of Donald Trump with a micro penis and was just like literally like just just making a thing like aha he's got a little dick and after literally her F her last segment was on the sexist coverage of Hillary Clinton and then her next pick for who won the week was a guy mocking Trump for having a micro penis that he just made up and made a statue of and she did not even like seem to see the contradiction in any of that like you just said this it's beautiful it's fun it's fun it's fun to watch I'm glad those people exist they're fun they're fun to watch because they're so rid ridiculous and they're so fake and it
comes off it's obvious that they're not they're not really engaged they're not really talking about it like a human they're just propagandists and that's the only way you can do that job if you want to do that job you have to be a propagandist or you have to be some sort of straight face Jake Tapper dude who just kind of like straight faces everything but if you want you know you want to have the joy read show yeah you got to go you got sh Joy read things what was that one she got in some bizarre argument with some woman recently I think it was a transgender issue was that what it was Jamie where it was like it it went viral because like I forget what the debate was about but I remember it being a just a Preposterous argument the way she was looking at it yeah she's pretty out there I'm not sure which what uh segment you're referring to but she's got a whole lot a whole lot of great hits It's not yeah it's like you have to be on that that Network like you can't exist in the podcast world it's not you what is it something than observe argument Republicans vote on Race not no that's not it no I should have saved it I probably did save it somewhere on my phone I could find it but it's just these it was I I believe it was some sort of a trans issue if I'm correct but it's just these [ __ ] people on these shows are trapped you're trapped you're trapped in this world of 5 minutes you're trapped in this world of commercials you're trapped in this world of networks and Executives you're trapped and if you want to make it you got to be full of [ __ ] yeah you got to be full of [ __ ] that's the game and it's just like you you point this out all the time but it's so it's just not enough time to have a real conversation on any of these shows dude I did a uh I did a debate for uh Zero Hedge um a couple months ago on like the Israel Gaza uh conflict and there it was a two on two debate and it was 2 hours long and the only thing I could think at the end of it was like that just wasn't nearly enough time it's like 2 hours you get like a half hour you know roughly not I don't know exactly if we all spoke even time but roughly a half hour each that's not nearly enough to go
through like the history of all this [ __ ] and what's going on now and to really make your points and that's a two-hour debate they they'll do that same segment on the news in 10 minutes five minutes like this is insane it's Insanity you're just trying to hit whatever the best point you can hit is and in the same way that Twitter I mean now you could like post longer stuff you know what Twitter just because it's short it just like pushes you into like saying just whatever just can destroy that guy in one sentence it's like it pushes you into that it's it's it's just not it's headlines yeah that's all you can do and when you're dealing with something like this just the depth of it all is just so perplexing you know when you just lay out like when Mike Baker's on and he lays out the history of like Palestine and Israel and the conflicts and Egypt and this and that Hamas and Hezbollah and you lays it all you're like Jesus Christ there's so many layers to this [ __ ] cake yeah and most people are just getting free Palestine from The River To The Sea yay you know you're just getting these like slogans that you yell out and you're seeing who knows how much of what you're seeing is even real today I well you mean like with the footage the footage footage of things even footage of uh like people fake things now and they fake things specifically for propaganda and then they hide things one of the most terrifying videos I saw recently was one of the Israeli hostages she was in the back of a Jeep and they drag her out by her hair and she's got blood all over her and they they had hacked her heels to make sure she couldn't run bro it's so terrifying it's so and they're all scream and God is great go Allah W man yeah dude I know I think there's a thing I don't know if I could word this exactly right but I think there's for some reason I think comedians have this thing that they're kind of able to go to these places do you remember you remember when you had Bill Burr on your show and you played this video I don't know why I just loved this moment so much but you played this video of a dude like ripping something out of a little girl's hand it was something like the guy like she had a piece of paper something he wanted he was way
aggressive I it was a protest yeah it was like a grown man going up to like a little girl and ripping it and you uh like immediately you were like oh man that'd be real bad if that was my kid like I'd be in jail the next day with that and then bur was like uh he was like oh you went to a dark place there and you were like yeah I do that a lot and he was like I do that all the time too like there just something about like comedians for whatever reason do that well also parents yeah well that particularly but I just it's just very easy for me I don't know why this always just came very natural to me whereas I think some people have so much trouble with this but I it's very easy for me to do this on both sides of this conflict to just go okay like I got two little kids I could just just start to imagine if somebody did something in one of my little kids and I wasn't able to protect them and what I'd be willing to do like how dark a place I could go to and it's just like immediately very easy to me to see how anyone in Israel after October 7th would support [ __ ] flatten Gaza and how anyone in Palestine after what's going on the last 50 years there would be like yeah I'll sign up for Hamas I'll support these guys who are going to do this [ __ ] now I do think and this is the point that sides both sides which is the really what's the most scary thing about the conflict sure well that's and that's why it's gotten to such a bad point right because like this is the cycle that keeps going but I do think this is what Daryl Cooper who like I uh I brought him up last time I was on he has that fantastic uh series called a fear and lothing in the New Jerusalem um and uh he's just totally brilliant I love that guy uh but he said and I think this is right is that he's like okay so you can totally see where if you're on either side there you'd just be like I don't care I see red I want to kill as many of the other side as I can but for us as Americans who are not in that situation it's kind of incumbent on us to be like okay let's let's try to kind of have a sober analysis of this and not do what so many people seem to do which is like almost try to just like egg on the other side and cheer on their side and then this total like demonization of either all of the Palestinians like they're all just human
garbage or all Jews or whatever evil something kids in America who are Jewish are complicit they're somehow another responsible which is like totally ridiculous Jerry Seinfeld they're hackling his shows now there's like some organ organized protest they came to his show and they were screaming out in the middle of his show it's also just like guys like take it look like I understand wanting to protest this this War I got my issues with the uh the young college leftists who are protesting it they're not my people exactly um but like you know there's an Israeli Embassy here there's a congress there's like take it at least to the halls of power like I don't think Jerry s ruining you know like other people's ability to enjoy Seinfeld standup show is really going to solve the issue yeah because they're not really thinking well and most of these people that do this they come from wealthy families they're young really idealistic kids and they glue themselves to paintings and they throw [ __ ] soup at masterpieces did you see the one stop oil now person sliced up this [ __ ] painting from the 1800s some Priceless painting just pulled out a razor knife and just started slashing this thing up is it weird if sometimes it feels like their like each side's foot soldiers are working for the other side you know what I mean like when you do stuff like that you're almost like I just want to drill for more oil now well this is the problem with teams man this's a problem with teams if you have a team that anybody can join like if the the Republicans are basically like the Christians they'll take anybody anybody you know if you want to be a Jew you got to go to work okay you got to learn a bunch of [ __ ] my uncle converted a lot work they make you work a lot of work you got to [ __ ] learn some stuff I remember uh I was doing this uh this episode of Joe Rogan questions everything where I was talking to religious people of a bunch of different religious sex and religious Scholars and I was talking to this one guy who was a Rabbi and there was uh a woman there that was converting to Judaism and I got to ask her questions about like how she's doing it and like how hard it is and like it's [ __ ] you it's like getting your pilot's license or something it's a lot of [ __ ] [ __ ] you
got to remember it's like a it's like the way citizenship is where like when you're born Jewish like I am or born an American like I am and you're like oh man I couldn't have passed that test it's a good thing I was born into this [ __ ] hard [ __ ] test yeah they really uh they make you work well I think the Jewish one's harder than the American yeah probably the American well these days you could just walk in but [ __ ] if you don't walk in then if they you fly in from Europe they're like uhuh you flew first class we're going to make it really hard for you to become a citizen dude which is by the way it sums up everything about modern day America anarcho tyranny it's just there's kind of like it's like you live you have the worst of anarchism and tyranny all in one where if you follow the rules you get totally [ __ ] and if you just ignore the rules you get rewarded the worst incentives everybody wants to be on a team so if you have a team that's open to anybody you're going to get the dumbest [ __ ] people that are super enthusiastic about that team Y and they're going to ruin everything and they do it with everything do it on the right and they do it on the left that's why I say my message is always reject the teams and come be a Libertarian and lose with me just keep losing come and just enjoy losing there's something freeing about knowing you're not going to win they're the most reasonable people talk to politically yeah but is also like but it's also the system is so deep like you a again and well that's the the real question I mean there's almost like two figuring out what the solution is is almost the easy part and then actually figuring out how to implement it to literally have to land enough cuz we're like on our way to a kingship we're on our a just has to be like listen we read all of the books in human history and we figured out pretty quickly that's that might be the thing that saves us and ruins us at the same time is President AI president AI president AI will be logical on the blockchain we'll know exactly if president AI is being influenced by money wouldn't it be great if AI just turns out to be as human as us and is just corrupted and they're like President AI got a [ __ ] in the overal office the power went to his head he
just started making AI [ __ ] he's got to give a press conference he's like I don't know what I was thinking man was pretty good until I got in there the ring of power just ruins everyone we we are going to bypass biological needs and we're going to do it pretty pretty soon it's going to be real soon it's going to it's going to sex regular sex is going to seem ridiculous in 20 years we're going to be the like old school guys like I still do sex the oldfashioned way with my wife going like in high school we got hand jobs these kids are [ __ ] robots when they're SE people people going to be like you have sex with your wife that's insane dude how you doing that what if you guys get diseased people die from those diseases I do think like I mean I look obviously like I'm I'm bias on the like I have my own opinions on on these things but I do but I do just think that um one of the things that i' I've found kind of amazing and I've thought this with some of the people who have have come on your show since last time I was here is the um the way that people can defend what Israel is doing in Gaza does kind of blow my mind it blows my mind too because it well it reminds you that it's like you're like oh okay look throughout all of human history right I'm not saying there's anything unique to Israel like that they're the only ones to ever commit atrocities or that they're not dealing with atro committ to them super standard in terms of world wars in terms of like Dresden Well yeah if you but that's the thing if you compare it to the worst things that are have ever happened in the history of the world but I'm just saying throughout all of human history there's been atrocities and there's been genocides and ethnic CLE and campaigns and slavery and all but at every single point there was someone there willing to rationalize it you know like someone there who would be like no no no listen this is what we have to do because otherwise this and it's amazing the mental gymnastics that people can come up with to justify something that is so clearly on its face just horrific but I think the difference is back then your understanding of it was much more limited you weren't watching videos on it they did exist if you saw it on television or the movie theater it'd be a small clip that was
played and every and it was played before the film but everyone knew that the reason why we're here is because people went to war in one or you escaped a war ravaged country and you came to America everyone knew it everyone had an understanding of that so when we were at War people were signing up to go to war there was no need to draft them but time Vietnam rolled around people were starting to get more information and they go hey I think this is a [ __ ] War which is like the first time ever in this short history of our country where we're like hey this one sucks it was kind of no defending it it was and then when you find out they were right at the at the end of it all when you find out many many years later the Gulf of tonin was a false flag you're like what which they didn't even need in order to be right but then you find out you're like oh the whole thing was the whole thing and then you go what did you guys do with all that heroin money yeah where did all that money go cuz if I was the government and I was willing just imagine if Eisenhower is correct which is insane how could he be and that there was a real influence of military-industrial complex if I was the military-industrial complex and I was willing to [ __ ] start a war with North Vietnam for no [ __ ] reason for no reason makes no so 100% I'm going to kill x amount of people and a bunch of Americans and then you're going to actually make these people these Americans you're going to draft them and force them to go because they don't want to go you don't think I'd tell heroin like that would be your line you think narcotics hold on how much are these guys making yeah how much are these [ __ ] dudes making how much a lot how many billions this is a what percentage of the world's heroin Supply and then when you see the same trick played out in Afghanistan when you like my my favorite was haraldo Rivera interviewing the troops rationalizing why they hady feels we have to guard the heroin yeah for the good folks well I couldn't this heroin falls into the wrong hands it could be lethal there's no way America would sell this heroin there's no way the the the output of heroin out of Afghanistan I want to say it was a
96% increase total 80% 80% Global see you're exaggerating Joe it's only no no no no no it was responsible for 80% o yeah there was responsible for most of the global supply of heroin and it the production went up after we invaded so Opium poppy which grows extensively in Afghanistan Southern Fields contains main opium ingredi used to manufacture heroin Afghanistan was previously the world's top opium producer responsible for over 80% of the global Supply and a major source of heroin in Europe and Asia so how much did it go oh plunges by 95% when was this under the Taliban now that's now yeah yeah see the Taliban doesn't want everybody on heroin they want people to get back to work and make Afghanistan great again the talian just ran on a TR message they [ __ ] kicked out the drug dealers that's what happened they kicked out the drug dealers dude they were there was a giant part of the supply of heroin to the world the idea that we didn't well we are not interested in that at all we just want to push Freedom yeah and and I think even people who are even the people I think who are lying about this [ __ ] rationalize it in their own head bro where did that money go yeah well that's uh where did all that heroin money go well I know you were I was listening to uh the Mike Baker uh podcast you had on where you were uh talking about the like the money in Ukraine and where it went and he even he was like ah yeah no we don't really know where that I thought one of the funniest things about that I'll tell you where some of it goes well well that's for sure I think that's for sure the Taliban it's not our tax dollars have 100% paid for some cocaine oh certainly the Taliban successful opium ban is bad for Afghans and the world the band is not a counternarcotics victory and will have negative economic and humanitarian consequences potentially leading to a refugee crisis oh unlike us leaving in the middle of nowhere allowing the Taliban to kill all the people we worked with but you see you get my point about how humans can rationalize anything like they can just come up with propaganda that's prop that's propaganda yes that's true that's
also true but even people who are like I mean I like look I thought the only way you could say that that what that guy made sense as if you're advocating that heroin should be legal yes if you're advocating that heroin should be legal and this is your full perspect okay now I'll accept it but if you really think that heroin is a Scourge and if you really do appreciate that 100 ,000 people died last year of opioid overdoses 100,000 it's a real [ __ ] crisis yeah if there was a disease killing 100,000 people we would freak the [ __ ] out well look I mean I do think there's a strong argument for legalization but there's also a difference between that and the government kind of like sponsoring damn this is% 90% of heroin globally and more than 95% of the European Supply more land is used for oping in Afghanistan than is used for Coco cultivation Latin America bro do you don't think that has something to do with it is that am I silly no I think it's insane to ignore that I mean like on where's that money yeah where's money so I was going to say r r Paul I thought this was so funny it was during during one of the rounds of uh of Aid to Ukraine and ran Paul stood up and said look we uh we don't know where any of this money is going if we're going to send them this money can we at least have an inspector General so that we itemize like where all the money is going and it failed the vote fa like even communist talk yeah like even in the Senate they were like what what are you talking about communist talk we're going to know where our money is going nah that's lame yeah we don't just send it over there just send them that [ __ ] send them everything they need and more and then do you have one of their Flags you should wave it around yeah and we'll we'll provide Congress FL give you Flags They're All Uniform same size it's not only people bought them from different vendors no they all got them from the same they got a box of them make sure you guys grab your flags it's [ __ ] Bonkers it's also just so the the thing that's so wild to me is that after and I know I've talked about this I'm sure on previous episodes but just after 20 years of the terror Wars and what a disaster those were and
to the point that everyone John McCain wrote in his Memoir that the war in Iraq was a mistake that's how universally agreed upon it is that the war even John McCain would acknowledge we got that one wrong so and it's not like anyone else is defending any of the other Terror Wars at this point but then as soon as we kind of get out of them we're not even fully out but we're mostly out we just get into these proxy wars in Ukraine and now in Israel that are clearly Wars of choice for America like we don't have to be involved in these we're just still deciding to continue this war machine going these last two are really important when they get done done we're done no yeah yeah yeah that's right this is this is it this is it right you know it's uh anyway man I do I will say that I think um a lot of a lot of the defense of the the war in Gaza which I kind of feel we are even calling a war because it's not doesn't exactly feel like that's what the term should be like the Bill Hicks joke it's only a war when two armies are fighting well right remember that joke he about Iraq they said oh Bill Iraq is the fourth largest army he goes yeah but after number three there's a big drop off he goes to Salvation Army's number five that's a great bet it's a great bit well I mean but in the but in the case of Gaza it's not even like there's not even a government I mean there are stateless people who have been captive by the Israelis since 1967 and then they're captive politically in their own country by Hamas right and then Hamas does do what this this accusation is that they they have their bases under schools and hospitals they actually do do that yeah I think it's it's certainly exaggerated at times by the Israelis but there is no question that they are look they're in this Gaza is uh dude it's five miles wide I know it's crazy you know like you you could jog from one side to the other without taking a break it's literally would take a break way closer way smaller than here to my club yeah now imagine that imagine imagine like an extra 10 miles yeah that small tract of land in the last five miles is what's getting the [ __ ] blown out of it it is it's it's uh I think 25 by5 so it's like a marathon by a jog you know what I mean like that's how that's Gaza
it's so no look so I'm just saying part of this and this isn't I'm not like making any excuses I mean there's no question they there have been incidents of Hamas like embedding themselves in civilian locations but also it's not as if they have a military or a government it's not as if there's going to be two armies that meet themselves on the battlefield here there is one is Hamas is essentially a gang in an Israeli prison that like rose up as the toughest gang there and yeah in in such a densely populated area that's the way um as they call it asymmetric Warfare is going to work um I do look man I CU I do I took issue with like a few things that some of the guests you've had on recently have said like um I know I think all of this a lot of times it comes down to framing like how you want to look at an issue and particularly the people who are way behind Israel on this I feel like always rely on this very strange framing so they don't have to confront exactly what's going on and they can kind of look at it in more of an abstract removed way like when you had a uh I'm sorry if I'm saying his name wrong but a Gad Gad how do you say his last name sad Gad I've read his stuff before but I I don't I always but your name um but so one of the things he said which I know I've heard this in every debate I've done on the topic so far but he said the thing same thing Dennis Prager said to me when we debated was he was like well look if Israel laid down all their arms there'd be a genocide if Hamas laid down all their arms there' be peace and forget the fact that I will say I don't agree with the second part of that I don't think that's clear at all I think if Hamas laid down all their arms which essentially the Palestinians are as close to have laid down all their arms as could looking at it too binary like yeah even if you're even if you are supporting the Israelis even if you're from that position you have to acknowledge the attacks on AIDS workers like it seems to be there's a bunch of targeted attacks on people bringing in food like Jose Andre's people yeah and then there's been more of those like there's there's all these I think how many documented attacks are there on um Aid LLY cuz it's a big number there's been several I know for
sure I think it's a big number yeah yeah yeah no I mean it's been it's creepy well I remember when you had um anyway just the point I was making about gad's thing is that it's also this like I just hate when people Retreat to almost these hypotheticals it reminds me of Sam Harris's argument about why you were really wrong with the uh at least eight times eight times that's so eight times Israeli forces have attacked humanitarian Aid convoys and build buildings in the Gaza Strip at least eight times since October despite being given coordinates to ensure their protection Human Rights Watch has said in a new report so they're they're targeting these people some so you've got some members of the Israeli military that don't give a [ __ ] and they want to stop these people from getting food and well look and this has kind of been like egged on look there'll be so much like scrutiny over like some college kids chanting from The River To The Sea and look but for the record if I was in charge of those protests I'd say stop chanting that because even if you don't mean it to me the Jews even if you don't mean it that way which some people will argue they don't and that's fine maybe that's not what you mean maybe you mean is from The River To The Sea everyone will be free and and whatever maybe that's how you mean it but it's also the same thing Hamas chance and they clearly mean something else when they say that so like maybe just use a different term can't use a swasa for its old timey use right it's like if nothing else that's a bad idea however for all the scrutiny they'll be over what these 20-year-olds are in at colia when Benjamin Netanyahu is saying they're AMC as you're going into this area which you know the story from the Bible is that you're supposed to kill the women and the children and the story is that they [ __ ] up by not killing all the women and the children and then like they came back and like now even if you could argue he doesn't mean it that way it's like okay but you're say the the story from the Bible the story is they were like a tribe who was like an evil tribe and you had to kill all of them kill the women and the children and that's the specific like lesson of that story is that you're supposed to kill the women and the children and then you conduct a
campaign like this this is by the way this is what was in the the South Africa case that they brought to the to the UN and that they you know the icj basically said that Israel is plausibly committing a genocide and they didn't exactly you know they haven't yet determined that it is or isn't but they said it's plausible um but anyway to my my point that I'm making about what sad was saying is that it's it remind me a Sam Harris where he sits here and he goes uh he goes well imagine this hypothetical imagine Co was 100 times as deadly and the vaccine was perfect against stopping transmission and there were no vaccine injuries well hey now you don't look so good anymore do you Joe Rogan no he wasn't saying he wasn't saying that he was saying you you could when someone's saying you could never mandate a vaccine or argue for a mandate and he was saying if there was a vaccine you could he was making ual argument he's correct that you could argue that if there was a vaccine that had zero side effects and was 100% effective and if everybody took it the disease stops you could make that argument well what he was saying was that then how would we feel he goes then how would we feel about what Joe Rogan is saying and what RFK is saying when they were you know what I mean but the point is that the point is that thing do the hypothetic like not only that it doesn't exist in nature right there's no vaccines that are 100% safe with no side effects none of them I'm just saying I'm not against engaging in a thought experiment to think about like what that scenario would look like but at the same time you're like it does seem like that's serving in this case as a distraction from The Real World scenario that's going on here so like if you're going to say if Israel like yes I would not recommend Israel lay down all of their arms completely disarm themselves and then open up the the wall to Gaza and allow Hamas to come in but that's not on the table that's never going to happen so like even thinking about that as a thought experiment doesn't really prove that much what's actually going on here is like what Israel is doing to Gaza and you know right but if you could flip it around the opposite would be true like if Hamas did lay down all their weapons and if they did completely give
up you're going to have some Israeli soldiers that do not give a [ __ ] that still want to shoot him but for the most part if there was nothing if they completely gave up which is also not going to happen but if that did happen you couldn't see a situation where Israel just continues bombing maybe not but then where what do they go to just being subjugated by the Israel back to the status quo of just being a stateless people of permanent permanent refugees with no natural rights whatsoever no ability to trade with the world no ability to come and leave you can't have an airport you can't have a sea port you can't go out fishing past where some IDF guy decides you're not allowed to so like yeah if if Hamas laid down all their arms perhaps Israel would stop the bombing campaign and they would just continue subjugation forever which has been the lud Party official policy since they were created by the terrorist monum Bean like since literally since the this party that is the ruling party in Israel was created their goal has been that the Palestinian people never get their own State they never get their own freedom and that's been and that's resulted in this and if you don't give them their own there's no way you can justify it no way you can justify that a whole entire group of people never get to be a country that to they don't get the rights of the Israelis they don't get the rights of uh a sovereign country they're trapped nothing literally no rights whatsoever that's kind of crazy that that's being done by Israel if you really think about it's kind of crazy well in some way in a way it is and then in another way it's kind of not it's kind of like there's this weird you know hurt people hurt people type thing like when you kind of suffer this trauma and and and this we're speaking collectively here so it's not exactly the same as an individual but like you suffer this trauma and then you use that to justify doing whatever the hell you got to do so that you never suffer that trauma again and then you weirdly end up kind of like inflicting something on another group of people and kind of in a weird way holding them responsible for the trauma you suffered even though they really really had very little nothing to do with the actual trauma it's really an ancient kind of conflict the the the
Israel Palestine is very it's very ancient in the fact that it's like the hate between them is so strong and they're right next door to each other which is how people used to rock it back in the day y you know I mean that's that was the fear of neighboring tribes that people from the other side were going to come over and rape the women and children and kill your babies and and Slaughter the men and not like an irrational fear like a fear based on this really happens you know what I mean and it's happening in Israel I mean that's what's crazy the other thing though is that and that's all true but the other thing is that you know there are these examples right like where there's Ireland and England and they're right next to each other and like things are just cool now and France and Germany are right next to each other and they're just cool now but Ireland and Northern Ireland were at war with each other forever no but I'm I'm just making the point that and then it's over and now they're not at War anymore and look Egypt Egypt went to war with Israel uh four times between the uh was it 1948 56 67 and 72 or 73 did I say that was Ireland at war with Northern Ireland yeah yeah yeah yeah cuz they were southern Ireland well they were the British controlled with the the um but it was really England yes yeah yeah it was by proxy England basically dominating the Irish um and then by the way the Irish uh turned to terrorism when they were being uh dominated by the English and yeah which is another thing that people Reales you have to do it it's the only way to go to war well if you don't have a if you have a smaller Army and they have all the money you got to figure out a way to get him well here's the craziest part of this right is that and I thought we talked a bunch about the history of this last time I was on but I don't think I mentioned this maybe I did but the craziest part of all of it is that the Israelis I shouldn't say the Israelis the Israelis 5 seconds before they became is Israelis like right before the creation of the state of Israel they embraced terrorism and by the way these these terrorists who were the leaders of these terrorist organizations like um makm bean and uh isach Shamir they went on to be Prime Ministers of Israel but they were
terrorists and I'm not like I don't mean this is a pejorative like self-described ter like they embraced terrorism what was their organization called uh um Makin Bean was the um the urgan that was his militia and then there was uh Lehi or the stern gang um and then there was the hag who was like the biggest one um and they were not quite as terroristic but they also were involved in a bunch of it and their justification for it was to drive out the occupying Force which was the British at the time the after World War II the zionists who were in Palestine were like had enough of the British uh occupying the area and they they were very angry because they had limited uh Jewish migration during the run up to the Holocaust um so they had a real beef with the the the British at this point even though the British had kind of like allowed them to have a chance to establish a Jewish homeland there but so they embraced terrorism to drive them out you can go look up the King David Hotel uh killed a whole bunch of innocent people including Jews um in the hotel because they just wanted to use terrorism to drive out an occupying force and then they actually introduced terrorism into that region and many of the same tactics that the Palestinians went on to embrace were stuff that they picked up from the Jewish terrorists at that time but then the same Israelis will turn around and be like I don't know why these Palestinians have embraced terrorism and like they're telling you it's for the same reason it's to drive out an occupying Force now of course the major difference there is that Israel Israelis Came To Stay whereas the British were there you know they had their this was a satellite they had their home country back in Europe and they could be driven out it's a whole different thing to Dy try to drive someone out who's like no we're setting up our homes here um but and there's more of us yeah well not that m i mean there's there's Palestinians and and Israelis is pretty close if you count all of them well you're you're also backed by America well that's that's the major difference well and so that's but that's basically my Essential argument is that America shouldn't be uh playing this role this is this is being argued out now yeah you know this is this is a
a big point of contention now politically right because the Biden Administration is not giving the same amount of support to Israel that it was they've been giving basically I mean what's really going on is that Joe Biden this is a disaster politically for Joe Biden and something like I looking at the polls recently 50% of his base different Twitter followers cuz uh what do I mean the my Twitter feed seems like he's doing a great job really does yeah know he's doing excellent he's totally got it down there's a lot of people that are arguing that did i i s j I sent you his uh his latest uh clip from his speech that new Biden just dropped and it's the newest the newest he goes and by the it's not he he meant to say I think financial crash but he said pandemic but he said during the pandemic when he was vice president Barack Obama sent him to Detroit and you're just like dude what why did he send Detroit why why would they send you to Detroit to deal with Co what now I saw someone saying that perhaps it was the H1N1 pandemic which did happen during the bond Administration or during the uh Obama administration when he was vice president I don't think I don't think I think he was talking about he would have probably said a previous pandemic yeah the point is he do remember back in 2009 he's out of his [ __ ] mind if it was an if it was occasional people would let this stuff go um yeah but anyway just to the look I I I also thought because some of these guys by the way you had on your show like I like them I'm not even like you know like Coleman Hughes I don't know him personally but I like him and he seems he seems really smart and I I haven't read his book but I bet I would love it well you two together would be a fascinating conversation just about the Israel Palestine conf yeah well I would love to have a because I think he's a good faith guy and I think and he's very smart but he also kind of um you know there were two things that kind of rubbed me the wrong way uh when he was on the show number one was that he started by kind of getting into this argument about um which I see a lot of people are supporting this conflict doing the argument about like okay well here are the number of total civilians dead and here are the number of Hamas militants dead and let's look at that
ratio and then is that ratio that far off from what you find in a typical war and there's a few problems with this number one the numbers are totally unreliable and so you're having this conversation yes on both sides I mean both sides are totally incentivized to exaggerate the numbers and also in the fog of War it's very hard to keep up with these numbers we never really know the numbers of dead in war until like years later when the excess mortality is calculated and then you get a better idea of what was really going on there um the the Israeli government talking about the number of Hamas militants they've killed seems to be them just pulling numbers out of their ass like they Dro these bombs they don't know how many who got who and who was there and checking dog tags yeah they're not you know what I mean and but anyway but even that I just even if the numbers were right it's like look dude if you look at the population density and you just look at the number of bombs that Israel has dropped and you just see a lot of the footage that we've seen and you just listen to stories that doctors are telling I literally just just saw an interview a couple weeks ago with a doctor who just got back from Gaza and he was talking about how they have a major anesthesia uh shortage over there so just think about the implications of that like what that means means they're operating on kids without anesthesia you know what I mean it's just so so the point is that if you're talking about okay well this many Hamas people are dying compar to this many innocent babies are dying that's not the question okay like when you're inflicting this level of human suffer in on people the question for any decent civilized person is is this absolutely necessary is this this the only way to is there any other option besides doing this and as soon as you frame the question that way you realize that oh yeah there actually is and that it's not true that Israel there will just be October 7th after October 7th if Israel stops doing this the fact is that of course netanyahu's never allowed a real investigation into October 7th to happen but everybody pre much concludes that Israel dropped the ball in a massive way in a massive way
that their security was just in shambles and all they really needed to do was not rely so much on these you know machine gun robots and have actual soldiers at the border they could easily issue of protest where the soldiers were allocated towards yes they they yes it's basically they had so as a I think as a result of um the protest against Netanyahu he had start he had started to Ally with some even further right-wing groups than he normally would have and to appease them he was pulling soldiers off of the Gaza border and putting them over toward the west bank which is what the religious Jews on the right really care about and yes they basically got caught with their pants down um so but I'm just saying they could just stop doing this it's not they all die or they keep doing this they could stop and Israel would can still protect itself in fact I'd argue their security would be enhanced if they stop doing this um but the other thing which you brought up uh to Coleman Hughes was that you you mentioned to him uh you said what about the the didn't Israel like prop up Hamas wasn't that part of their strategy for a while and he I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and maybe he just doesn't know about that detail of this as much because I if not he was kind of being dishonest but he but maybe he just wasn't familiar with all of this stuff but he kind of went you said that and then he kind of dismissed it by saying well there's um there's a quote that's attributed to Netanyahu but it wasn't on videotape so like we don't B essentially being like we don't really know if netan who said this or not and then just kind of moved on to the conversation away from that but I find this I found this in all of my debates that I've done on this and I've done like eight debates on this since the war broke out everybody on the pro-israeli side does not want to Grapple with that point because it really is like a it's a narrative shattering Point once you acknowledge it but so right but but if it isn't on videotape he has a point as well well here well let me okay so here's the deal right so the quote that he's referring to was a quote by Benjamin Netanyahu it was something along the lines of anybody who wants to thwart the Palestinians
having their own State needs to support propping up Hamas bolstering heras transferring money to them to maint right so there was a quote like thisas maintains power right so Hamas maintains power so that they never we never have to give them a state because we can look to the International Community we can look to Liberal Jews in Israel and say look we have no partner for peace they're a crazy terrorist group so we we never have to make a deal we don't have to fulfill our promise and that we how was this attributed to him so basically this quote particularly okay this was at a closed door meeting with the lud party so this is Benjamin netanyahu's political party his far-right party that's in power right now in Israel so it's true that this was a closed door meeting and that it's not on tape um so what happened is as far as I could tell the the first person who reported this I believe was uh a a lady who's a reporter for the uh Jerusalem Post and then it's been run in a bunch of other newspapers since then so what basically what happened is in eyewitness who was there at the meeting so another lud party member in Benjamin netanyahu's political party came and told her that he said this and then she went and checked with somebody else who was there and he also confirmed that like yes Benjamin anahu said said this and then a third person who was also at the meeting came out and wrote about it in his book or wrote about it in another newspaper article or something like that so you had three eyewitnesses from within his own political party who confirmed that he said this now take that for what it's worth I think that's reasonably strong that three eyewitnesses all in his political party say as long as they weren't trying to get rid of him because you can get more than three people to say that Donald Trump was in collusion with Russia sure so even even say if you don't trust them Coleman acted as if that's what the entire case is built off of which is just not true at all it's not just this one Benjamin Netanyahu quote it's dozens and dozens of quotes from Israeli leaders all throughout the political Spectrum there's been reporting on this done by almost every major Israeli uh newspaper haret Times of Israel The Times of Israel on October 8th had a
piece by tul Schneider which was how Ben L uh excuse me how netanyahu's support for Hamas just blew up in his face it it was the next day and because every even critics like uh ahud Barack who was the former prime minister he's a labor party he's a Critic of Benjamin Netanyahu so he was a Critic of this plan to prop up Hamas but it's totally uncontroversial that this was their plan the New York Times uh just ran a piece um I think it was late last year it might have been early this year um where they talked about how two weeks before October 7th Benjamin net yahu sent the head of the Mad to Cutter because funds going into Hamas had slowed down and he sent them in there to make sure the funds continued it's the case for this is overwhelming it's not like relying on one yeah here you go yeah for years the Qatari government had been s am I saying that right is that how you say it qari I think is Kari government had been sending millions of dollars a month to gaza's trip money that helped prop up the Hamas government there Benjamin presid prime minister Benjamin nahu Netanyahu of Israel not only tolerated those payments he had encouraged them according to times Israeli intelligence agency agents rather travel to Goda with a Qatari official carrying suitcases filled with cash suitcases like a mafia movie to disperse money retired Israeli General schomo Brom describ the logic of netanyahu's position one effective way to present a two-state solution is to divide prent prevent prevent a two-state solution is to divide between the Gaza Strip and the West Bank if the extremist Hamas ruled Gaza then the Palestinian Authority a compromis com comprador comprador government is that how you say it comador I don't even know what that is comprador government with a tenuous hold on the West Bank would be further weakened this according to Braum would allow Netanyahu to say I have no partner and so that's okay so that's essentially the point there right he can say that he can say I have no partner for peace which is the Israeli line that they like to use so basically okay in 1979 the Egyptians and the Israelis met at Camp David and that's when they worked out their peace now their peace also just involved basically that the US would pay them both off we'd give them
both $3 billion a year in perpetuity if they stopped going to war with each other basically um and part of that was that Israel promised that they would eventually give the Palestinians a state like it was Rec IED by DC at the time Jimmy Carter that like you got to give them a state because otherwise this fighting is going to continue on and on and on forever so they promised that eventually they would give it to them this is the yaser Arafat days this is uh this is before yaser Arafat was like the guy um but he he was alive but um but then in the 80s yaser Arafat uh basically rejected terrorism he had been uh involved in terrorism before that he rejected terrorism and he recognized Israel I think it was 1988 he recognized Israel's right to exist under 1967 borders so basically Israel has the right to exist but but we have the right to Gaza and the West Bank the ultimate of compromises from the Palestinian perspective because you know a lot of their more hardcore guys are like no all of this was ours we shouldn't have lost any of it and now even the original us partition plan which was rejected by the Arabs for you know fairly good reasons um they rejected it because it gave 55% to the Jews and only or 56% to the Jews and only 44% to the Palestinians and they were like but we're like 90% of the population here like or 90% of the land owners here or whatever and it's like this doesn't this isn't fair but now at this point they're talking about 78% versus 22% so they're accepting 22% and so that's yaser araed in the in the late 80s and then this is what set the stage for the Oslo uh Accords in the early 90s and this is like famously when Bill Clinton has um uh Yak Rabin and yaser Arafat over and they shake hands and they sign these deals and the the promise again from Israel was that we're starting the peace process to eventually give the Palestinians uh their state this is the process and there were steps along this process okay now in 1996 Benjamin Netanyahu becomes prime minister now the same year in 1996 there was uh there's this letter you can find this on the Internet it's called a clean break a new strategy for securing the realm and it was written by Richard Pearl and David wormser and a couple other uh uh people of course uh Richard Pearl and David wormser both went on to
be very influential neoconservatives in the George W Bush Administration so they write this letter not to President Bill Clinton and not to Bob Dole who was running for president on the Republican ticket that that year they write this letter to Benjamin Netanyahu the new prime minister of Israel and basically if you read it what they say is that they're like look look you guys are all caught up in this peace process thing where you're talking about giving the Palestinians land we need a clean break from that strategy and we're going to have a whole new strategy and what it's going to involve is you making agreements with the broader Arab world so that you don't have to make this agreement with the Palestinians you see the old way of thinking was always that Israel will never be able to make peace with the with the broader Muslim world because they're Furious about what you're doing to the Palestinians but the clean break strategy was like no no no you're going to embark on what ultimately became the Netanyahu doctrine that will make it deals with the rest of the the Arab world so we don't have to give up this land and you know what they recommended these two neoconservatives in 1996 and I bet you'll never guess this Joe regime change in Iraq for the security of Israel that was in 1996 and these people got in George W Bush's government and after 9/11 those same people decided that they believed that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and that he was involved in 9911 yeah so there it is uh Israel can shape its strategic environment and cooperation with turkey and Jordan by weakening containing and even rolling back Syria this effort can focus on removing Sadam Hussein from power in Iraq an important Israeli strategic objective in its own right as as a means of foiling serious Regional Ambitions and here's where it gets crazy how much of a how what a great job the Mad did in compromising people by the way I mean how much of an effect did that have in everything you know you can go full Edie Bravo and think everything that's happening is because of Epstein Island and I used to dismiss that a lot more easy than I do now maybe not everything lot but certainly some you will see this
you will see this and and I'm not saying that that estein is the sole reason for this type of stuff there's several different reasons but you see this all over the the political sphere and especially amongst like uh conservative commentators where as soon as Israel's mentioned whatever their principles were that they were just rolling with are like gone yeah like it's a totally different thing and get that I get there's there's a reason for that too I of course like what Jewish people have been through in the 20th century in the 19th and 18th century like that that plays a part in that too um but there's no question that like it's not just um it's not just uh um Epstein it's also and I highly recommend people read uh John mimer has a a great book called The Israeli Lobby there's also this Lobby ape which is a very very powerful Lobby the truth is that every US president since with perhaps the exception of trump I'm actually not sure about that but every US president since Jimmy Carter I know for sure excluding Trump every one of them wanted a two-state solution every single one of them none of them were able to get it done even though we bankroll Israel you'd think it'd be fairly easy for us to like put pressure on the country that's relying on us like okay we'll keep supporting you but you got to do this nope even when they go over and say we want to do this they're not able to do that and part of that is because of of the lobby part of that is because there's like tens of millions of Evangelical Christians in this country who believe that the Jews have to control Israel like in some religious view that Jesus can't come back unless the Jews control him or something like that I don't exactly understand it um they go there on tour they have tours they go there well and they also and and the Israeli government's well aware of that and they're well aware of how much they benefit from that so they do everything they can to facilitate that that belief um white dudes with golf shirts y That's right they're a big Force they're a really big block in this country there's not like a few dozen of them like they're willing to throw some real money at bringing Jesus back yes they they're very uh that's a very big deal to them but look like there's um
all of these US presidents they they've wanted an outcome that they're unable to get and you can look there's this one video of Benjamin Netanyahu where he doesn't know he's being recorded um and he's speaking speaking openly about this and it's PR so he he openly starts bragging about how he basically blew up the piece process and how he like he basically recording on this yeah oh yeah I mean it's in Hebrew but there's it's translated and it's legit it's been translated by like a whole bunch of different people um and he's bragging about how he put all of these poison pills into the peace agreement like he was like oh yeah sure we'll we'll Grant I I agreed to grant them a state but only after uh it was determined that we could like um Israel could control like military uh like important military areas and then he was like I also snuck it in that only Israel gets to Define what the military important areas are and I decided that a third of the West Bank is that and like he's bragging about and he's bragging about how he tricked Bill Clinton and how easy it is to move the Americans it's it's wild like there's there's a lot of power plays at work here and the only other thing I'll I'll say about this and it's not just like the neoconservative the the clean break the strategy that they wrote for Netanyahu it's that so in 2002 Benjamin Netanyahu comes and testifies before uh Congress as a uh as a regional expert um and he testifies that like oh yeah no if you guys overthrow Saddam Hussein democracy will sweep the region let me tell you I know something because I know this region better than anyone else and at one point Dennis kusen actually grilled him and got him on record and he goes is there anybody else that you're advocating that we preemptively attack and and Netanyahu goes yeah Iran attack them too so I'm not like I don't hate Israel like I think Israel is a cool country I think what they do to the Palestinians is [ __ ] up and it's inexcusable and they should stop but I I think Israel is a cool country there's a lot of great things about them but like Netanyahu this guy who's the longest serving prime minister in Israeli history has been trying to get America into Wars that are in his interest that are very clearly not in ours and the fact that have to
like unconditionally support Israel even when our our own democratically elected president doesn't like the policies that they're enacting and yet they still get all of this support even now as you know Joe Biden doesn't know what he's saying because he's got dementia but there's people in his ear who are telling him to like say don't invade Rafa and he's like don't invade Rafa and then Benjamin Netanyahu is like okay we're going to invade Rafa and it's just like okay well fine fine if we have no influence over what you're going to do and you'll just Wag the middle finger at us and brag about how you tricked Bill Clinton and and defy what our presidents want you to do like okay fine but then you don't get our money and our weapons right like isn't that reasonable it is it is reasonable but it's also the left is very confused on this one this is a baffling one for the left yeah they sure are support of Israel has always been a position of people on the Left Right support of Jewish people and to not want that is kind of anti-Semitic well look on the on the hard left there's always been a a bunch of people who are sympathetic to the plight of the Palestinians right well the people that have like seen Abby Martin's take on it and yeah and but Abby Martin also like follows in a tradition of leftwing thought like gome Chomsky and people like this who have always been very critical of the Israeli government's treatment of the Palestinians um but you this is where it gets weird it's like the support of Israel when Israel was attacked so that's when it that's when everything gets crazy it's it's not support of Israel before October 7th it's post October 7th so now you have hardcore lefties who are now they're like the majority of the young people now it's a big thing in this country and universities it's crazy I mean they're going nuts they're attacking students they're attacking teachers people can't go to work they're being told if they support Israel they can't be on campus it it's just the whole thing is it's very for the left in that regard because is like Jewish people traditionally vote left oh yeah well yeah I mean the overwhelming majority I think 85% of Jews are are Democrats something like that and you know obviously there's not full like even
today there was um a news report of a huge government protest in Israel there they're in the streets and so it's not like this is a policy that's supported by the entire population well there's I mean there was so basically I think what really changed things during during the 9s there's no question there was tremendous support for making a deal for a two-state solution particularly amongst like liberal um Israelis and they're basically so Yak Rabin got assassinated by a right-wing Israeli who was Furious that he was a traitor for for making a deal with the Palestinians and that took him out and then um when Netanyahu came in and then ultimately um I guess it was Chiron who was in in the year 2000 and the the there was another meeting at Camp David um where you know what what people will say which is just not true but what a lot of the the people of the pro-israeli side will say is that they offered them everything right they offered the Palestinians everything they wanted and they just turned it down and this is their it's all slogans it's like they never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity but if you actually look into the details of all of it um even schlomo bename who was the acting foreign minister at the time involved in these negotiations he even said in his book and he said it in a democracy Now interview that uh that he would have turned down the deal too if he was Arafat because the deal was just so it was so removed from actually giving him his own state that it was like this is just it was an insulting offer essentially but when those negotiations broke down and then it was after Chiron had this visit to the Temple Mount which really inflamed uh tensions when the negotiations broke down then the second intifa started and there was a big wave of of terrorist attacks and that you know in the same cycle we were talking about at the beginning that did a lot to turn a lot of uh liberal Israelis off of the idea that like well there's no negotiating a piece but it is worth noting that whenever there were negotiations going on the support for terrorism the support for Hamas and groups like groups like that always plummeted and then whenever the negotiations broke down the support for those terrorist groups picked back up
again because the big problem here is that you're just when you ba essentially when you take away the dangling carrot in front of an oppressed people like it you let them know that there's no hope that you're going to live in subjugation for eternity that's a very dangerous situation that that's when people will turn to really really dark means and that's you know essentially look netanyahu's like what became the Netanyahu Doctrine and a lot of this culminated in the Abraham Accords which a lot of trump supporters will brag about they'll be like look at all these peace deals that Donald Trump worked out in the Middle East except the problem is that there was no war between any of the countries that he worked out these deals it was just kind of like normalizing relations between Israel and these other Arab countries around them but what was the reason why relations weren't normalized it was because they were were pissed off about Israel's treatment of the Palestinians so basically Jared kushner's brilliant idea along with netanyahu's was that oh well if we just bribe all of these countries with US taxpayer dollars or weapons we can get them to look the other way and say screw the Palestinians we'll make a deal with the US and with Israel so they did that and Netanyahu was bragging about this and Netanyahu just a couple weeks before September 11th right around the time that he sent the head of mad into cutter to make sure the money kept going to Hamas he went to the UN with a map of Greater Israel and it was all Israel Gaza the West Bank and and what is Israel proper all Israel in his map like they were just bragging to them like haha you guys lost you get nothing that's it nothing this map of Greater Israel this is something that he's proposing for the future this is this is in you know as much as people will point to the Hamas founding Charter and it says from the river to the sea or whatever and that's true at least the original one um but that's in the lud founding documents also in different words but it's basically from basically from The River To The Sea will be all Israel which is what it has been you know from since 1967 and again by the way I'm not showing up with a map like why would he
have a that sounds like a plot in a movie sure does this is look this is all of ours well no deals yeah well right something like that it does it sounds like a bad guy in a movie well well look I also do don't want to um cuz there are people who also jump to like other conspiracy theories that I don't think are right um that well they'll say kind of like uh like what one well because okay so because Netanyahu was supporting Hamas and because he was using them kind of as you know what I mean like oh good we'll keep these terrorists over here so that they're not linked up with the people in the West Bank over here and then I have no I get a you know a certif I forget the exact phrase but it was I have a I think he said at one point I have a no partner for peace certificate signed by the president in both houses of Congress cuz look I don't have to ever do a two-state deal but then people will jump to the next level which is that like oh he he wanted October 7th there was a standown order this is why it took Israel so long yeah it's a black flag that or a false flag that I don't I don't think is right or at least I haven't seen convincing evidence that it is from everything I've read about it it actually seems a lot more like if you remember I know we talked about the same thing on the podcast years ago when I was on but if you remember when okay so in 2012 when Obama decided that they were going to start arming all of the anti-assad rebels and there's actually a hot mic of John kery talking about this and because they were doing it through 2013 2014 and he goes he goes yeah look we saw the rise of Isis coming and we we knew they the weapons were getting into their hands but we thought okay that that might put pressure on Assad to have to step down so like we could use this group in order to get the regime changed that we wanted but then they turned around and invaded Iraq and like that wasn't part of the plan you know what I mean like they weren't supposed to do that then we had to reinvade Iraq to get rid of Isis who you know what I and so there there if you remember during that time there was one point when Obama called Isis JV he it was like kind of like insult them like listen these guys and and you could kind of see where Obama was coming
from he's like I don't know I'm the commander-in-chief of the United States of America's military I'm worried about Isis these guys are nothing compared to what the for the power that we have and there's a lot of people at the highest level of the Israeli government who who spoke exactly the same way about Hamas that that's that's the Benjamin Netanyahu quote that he says we can control the height of the flame when he's talking about you know the propping up Hamas he goes don't worry we can control what they're able to do and what they're not able to do these guys are nothing compared to our strength there was tremendous Hubris in let's let's say of what if sure what if they decided on a two-state solution as it currently stands and they just let the people run it however they want and Hamas takes over the whole Palestine and Palestine becomes a country controlled by Hamas and then they start doing trading with other countries and then they start acquiring weapons like real sophisticated weapons like Israel has where the Iron Dome is no longer successful right so this is kind of the um the the counterfactual that a lot of Israelis will rely on to say well look we can't give them their own State because what if when they get their own State they decide to do this with it so all right there's a an old uh uh Thomas Jefferson quote about slavery and I'll butcher this as I always do but I like bringing it up but is something along the lines of he goes we have the wolf by the ear and we can neither afford to hold on to it nor to safely let it go whoa and and essentially what he was saying was like this was a major concern of people even people who were kind of sympathetic to the Abolitionist cause who were like yeah look but we've like enslaved these people for so long so what are we going to do free them and make them citizens who are allowed to get guns like they're going to be so furious at us they're going to come kill all of us and you can kind of see especially when there's way more of them well especially you have a plantation and right right in certain areas you might people all get together and organized get guns so you could see where it that could have been a realistic concern really good point too right but at the
same time the dude who whipped you lives in that big white house and now you've got a shotgun yeah so there's there's no question there's a concern about that however I also think looking back at it most people in modern times would say but you can't enslave people man like [ __ ] up you shouldn't deserve that house in the first place s and look I I also do think that you better get the [ __ ] out of Dodge like the way well the way Daryl Cooper says it which I actually think is a reasonable way to put it is he goes like uh I heard someone ask him that question once and he goes okay well if that happened then we're having a different conversation you know but that's not the conversation right now the conversation right now is about Israel dominating these people in perpetuity but I also do think that I don't listen I think that groups like Hamas get their strength from the fact that they are so many people who want to resist this Total Domination by the Israelis you know it was uh General mcris he's not not a Libertarian Dove like me not like some comic idiot like me who's just like I'm against War General mccristal who was running the war in Afghanistan before uh he got caught saying bad things about Obama and got kicked out of there uh the rolling yeah the Rolling Stone story with uh Michael Hastings the late great Michael Hastings might have yeah I don't know about that but but General mcris this tough hard-nosed General he was the one who coined the term Insurgent math and he said what's 10 minus 2 a lot of you might think it's eight but the answer is 20 when we're talking about insurgents 10 – 2 equals 20 because you kill two insurgents and each one of them had brothers and uncles and nephews and friends and now they all join up the resistance movement because they're all so radicalized by the fact that you just killed someone they loved and this has been the nature of this this Dynamic from the beginning of it and so yeah it's like just saying that to the concern that if Israel was to Grant the Palestinians their freedom that what if then this led to like some swelling in Hamas I think the truth is that doing what you're doing now is much more likely to increase Hamas or Hamas like organizations because there's you know so they're basic it's like credit card
debt it's like basically they keep using credit card they're never going to be able to pay off the debt it just keeps rising and rising and rising and your monthly payments keep getting higher and higher and you're [ __ ] yeah it but again like I will say that the one nice example or the one silver lining to all of this is that there are so many examples throughout the world where things were so off I mean you just never could have imagined that like Germany could live right there in Europe next to all these count they just went to two world wars with each other you know what mean but they do they travel by train to visit each other yeah that's right and everyone's dude I I went uh last year and did uh like standup in uh I went to London and then you get on like a 45 minute flight and you go over to Ireland and you're just like a you guys are right next to each other everyone's just coming out to the shows and we're having fun and it's just cool and like so there is something beautiful about that where you it's it in the moment it seems like this could never be solved but like that's not necessarily true the the truth is that most human beings are incentivized by wanting to live their life and wanting to take care of their family and wanting to you know what I mean like and and if given an option to do that rather than losing their sons in in war a lot of times they'll choose that but in order for that to happen the look Israel has all of the Power and the Palestinian people have virtually not the only thing they have the power to do is to you know I guess support these acts of terrorism which are essentially like celebrating losing it's so sick and dark that you're like aha we'll kill a few of your people and then get way more of our people killed than you it's just like that's the only thing they have aside from that every peaceful effort that they make ends up being violently uh suppressed and Israel has all of the Power and in order to get to that step it's on the ones with the power have to make some concessions and the only way to get there is for for Israel to like at least get back on some path toward like hey we are going to give you like your sovereignty at some point there was some recent discussion of rebuilding Gaza where they were talking about what they
could do for that area once they rebuild it what's the plan on that well there's been a lot of different like things floated out and of course Israel is always kind of talking out of both sides of their mouth so like on one one moment they'll be like we just want Hamas we just have to get Hamas out of there and then they'll be like well we really do think that every country should take in a fair share of the gazen people like they're floating out the idea of just cleansing the entire area I know that the the UN I think recently said that it would take 80 years to rebuild uh Gaza and I don't know if that I don't trust un numbers exactly rebuilding Gaza 50 billion over two decades well someone just got paid up well right exactly so what's the real that's also a thinging is very profitable well that's for sure yeah oh there's money to be made in the destruction there's money to be made in the rebuilding and people will make that money but I think that the truth is that Israel has not at all laid out what the end game of this is other than this assertion that we must get rid of Hamas entirely even though us and Israeli intelligence have both said that that's impossible it's not an achievable task Hamas is popping back up in the areas that they've already leveled and they they could go into Rafa they I'm sure they can kill some Hamas militants in there but Hamas or Hamas like groups are coming back how many do you think they've killed so far no idea and I don't think they know and what what are the numbers ofas that exist they've they've claimed um that they've I I saw like at one point they said they've killed 8,000 then they said 10,000 then 14,000 I I don't know honestly I have no idea what the real number is and I don't I don't think the Israeli government knows and I don't think uh I I think probably the Gaz and uh Health Ministry doesn't know either it's like very difficult work to while this is all going on identify bodies and figure out how many of them are dead and how many of them were joined up with Hamas or weren't you know Hamas is also not like it's not a government it's not as if there's like um you know it's not like okay if you were like say tracking like in America there was a big you know like explosion a bunch of people died and you
could look at like DNA records and who was enlisted in the military and you could just like match them up against each other it's not scientific like that um or at least it's much more primitive than that so I don't I really wouldn't venture to guess and I also don't know um you know like how accurate the the numbers when they say 35,000 people have died it seems within the realm of possibility there's a lot of people missing right and that's part of the problem is the the most recent figures that they put out again this is the the Gaza Health Ministry which is overseen by Hamas so take that with a grain of salt or whatever but they said there's like I think 10,000 who they weren't able to identify do you imagine the horror of just walking down those streets so if there are 10,000 I mean how many of them can you smell yeah you know I mean you just look around you just see wreckage and you smell rotting bodies oh dude and just the worst things in the world must insane it must be insane to lived there before October 6th when it was already prison to see it now and it's continuing right it's going on right now oh yeah yeah no and then imagine like imagine you know and they're there's constantly like the Defenders of of this military campaign will say oh they drop they drop warning bombs and they drop leaflets and they tell you no problem just leave but you're talking about people who are like first of all in they live at least the a large percentage of them live in a level of poverty that none of us have ever experienced just telling people just leave and head out to the you know and it's people almost have like in their mind that like what is there like some sophisticated refugee camp waiting for them with tents and water and food like no they're just telling them like go go out into the desert go out into this this other place you have nothing it's not that easy like you might have little children with you or old people with you it's not that easy to just leave and then when they leave and they go into Rafa which was supposed to be safe they go oh yeah now we're now we're invading Rafa so leave again where do you go exactly who knows and again like look dude it's just again I just think that whenever you're
talking about these things when you're when you're talking about like inflicting this level of human suffering on a group of people like whoever's defending that man the onus is on you to demonstrate that there's absolutely no other way to do it and the other reason why I I bring up this point all the time about um Israel propping up Hamas as this strategy is that at doesn't that at least change the narrative because if you just go which a lot of people are they'll just be like well look look what happened on October 7th look how horrible that is nobody could stand uh for anybody doing that and therefore Hamas has to go and so whatever happens in that process hey that's on Hamas and like that I guess on some superficial level I can understand that but like yeah but once you know that they were propping up Hamas specifically so that they wouldn't have to give the innocent Palestinians their own State and now they get to use that group that they propped up as the excuse why they're allowed to just Slaughter these people it's just like that's a whole different level of it's just no that's [ __ ] up man that's just not and all these terms get conflated they'll be like doesn't Israel have the right to defend itself yeah you're like yeah but see now you're like manipulating this this idea of self-defense which is a natural right you could argue the most natural human right is the right to defend you know the right to life and then the right to defend your life but the right to defense is like so imagine like me and you were hanging out at your house and someone like broke into your house and kills me and then points the gun at you and you grab your gun and you kill that guy you'd be like well yeah you had the right to defend yourself you know what I mean like you he just he's on your property he broke into your property he just killed your friend he's trying to kill you and you're like no you have the right to defend yourself no question but or or you could even argue right say like in the human shield example he's holding a little baby as he's shooting at me and then shoots at you and you shoot and you hit the baby and him you can say hey that that's horrible but that was on him that but no now you're talking about like a guy breaks into your house shoots and kills me runs and
leaves Retreats back to his house where you know his wife and his five kids are and so you blow up the house and you're like well look I have a right to defend myself you're like H okay but this is a slightly different concept than just like the right of self-defense as we all understand it this is more like the right to Revenge the right to Justice which okay I'm not I Believe In Justice and I think all of the people involved in October 7th should face Justice for what they did horrific terrorist attack but there's a very different question between like defending the country of Israel and enacting Justice against those people if it means like babies get crushed to death and rubble and parents get killed in front of their children and all of the you know horror that's been going on what do you think Hamas thought Israel was going to do this I think this was the plan so you think they wanted Israel to do this yeah I think Hamas doesn't Hamas doesn't care about Palestinian life um and they like I think are uh I think the goal the goal in asymmetric Warfare is almost always to um provoke um an over reaction out of out of your opponent right so like Osama Bin Laden never thought he could destroy America by taking down the Twin Towers but he thought he could lure us into a war in Afghanistan that could bankrupt our country just like he was trained by the CIA to do with the Soviet Union right like that was kind of the plan and likewise I think that Hamas knew that Israel would overreact in this way and and look I mean look what's happening totally turn Global opinion against them and put themselves in more Jeopardy than they've ever been in there's almost nothing that anyone else could have done to Israel that would have put that country in more Jeopardy than what they've just done to Gaza this is like never going away for them and I don't think I don't think a lot of Israelis or pro-israeli Americans have really grappled with this fact like you could get into the semantics of arguing whether this is a genocide or not a genocide which I never get into by the way I just don't care about you know whether you call it that term or call it a different term whatever it is is real but the fact that the international court of justice ruled that this is a plausible genocide is so wild that they
ruled that the Jewish state is committing a genocide like that's just such a a different way of looking at things than all of us grew up with like no the Jews were the victims of genocide not the perpetrators of it and I at I am Jewish and I do resent like that they've kind of like put that you know what I mean like into the public mind and to some degree you know because there's there's a case to be made for it but Israel is as is really playing with fire here and they're they're in I think they're in a more uh precarious position than they've ever been in my lifetime for sure Jesus Christ what do you think happened to the Iranian dude H you know I think that's just a crash in the fall I think so that is that is kind of my yeah like I you know of course you always in some weird perverse way want the more exciting story don't fly in the [ __ ] fog in a helicopter how about that well I asked a few of my uh real smart friends like I was calling them a bad I called Scott hort earlier today and I was like what do you think about this and he was like it does seem like bad weather and like he was like cuz they couldn't even like recover it you know what I mean cuz the weather was so bad and also it's not taking out the um the Iranian president doesn't really do anything anyway Ayatollah is who has control yeah they'll put another they'll put another president in it'll be the exact same thing and I just don't think I I my guess is that it was just bad weather but I'm totally open to there might be some evidence that comes out that it was something else it's always more fun to think it's some Secret Squirrel [ __ ] yeah yeah yeah yeah I think this one might have just been bad weather though it turns out it's really not safe to fly a helicopter in bad weather no it's [ __ ] terrifying you can't see fly right into the mountains yeah that's not good no it's not good I don't know do you fly on helicopters Joe I have yeah they don't they don't make me feel good yeah the people tell me they're fine they know to do it they're safe they know how to auto rotate on the way down yeah yeah yeah yeah whatever bro that thing seems weird I'm sure that's what they told the Iranian president well I mean do they have helicopters that can
operate through the clouds just like an airplane does right where they know exactly where they are at any given time I don't know this is I have no knowledge on this subject but I just feel I'm I've never been in a helicopter and I'm don't want to it doesn't seem like as sophisticated a method of flying I just feel like hel opter list life has been going pretty good for me and I'm just going to keep riding down this path where you don't go on helicopters bur has a license and he took me up uh really yeah yeah Bill bur he's really good really good at flying helicopters it's one of the handful of times I've been in helicopters with him we're flying around downtown LA you could just fly around that's what's weird they don't tell you where you can go and not go I mean I'm sure they do but for the most part once you say you're going to go to a specific area you can just kind of fly around so yeah yeah yeah it's weird so yeah have a helicopter because they're below the airplanes I don't know why I was already scared of the idea of flying in a helicopter but flying in a helicopter that's being piloted by Bill bur is just the scariest thing in the world to me like you just get pissed off at something in the middle of it he's like yelling and you're like dude Focus man no he's very focused when he flies a helicopter very very very serious about it but he took me around these buildings and you just flying around buildings in Downtown LA I'm like this is crazy you just fly right by these skyscrapers I mean that does sound cool it is cool but uh I don't want to do it it's kind of beautiful like you're just flying around and it's kind of leisurely because they don't go that fast it's like leisurely flying around downtown I'm like this is crazy and then you look at a lot of those buildings on downtown LA they all have like helicopter landing pads on the roof like this is Bonkers yeah I mean okay I understand the appeal from him that does seem fun yeah it's fun but then you know you don't want to end up like this Iranian guy yeah there's bill yeah [ __ ] bill bur yeah oh [ __ ] show you how to fat as helicopter with my [ __ ] oh how dare you wear that paper boy hat when you made fun of me he made fun of me famously s a little rascal hat on I like it this is like right after that he went
and bought the Hat yeah it's a good look yeah he's awesome him and Tim Dylan are the very best at ranting like by themselves on a podcast they're the only podcast that I listen to where a guy just goes off 100% by himself Bill really by himself like the Tim Dylan has a producer that's like a built-in oneman uh audience right who he kind of plays off of him yeah and he's great but he's even a one person is enough for Tim Dylan like Tim Dylan can rant with one person better than anybody on the planet but he's very smart in the way he does it like have his producer right there so he's saying funny things for his producer his producer is laughing right and then so he'll do that also in podcast same kind of thing you know whereas Burr is just him by himself I'll tell you what I know read like someone will just ask him like the most kind of basic question yeah and then like he's just reading their question and then it just launches him into this thing that like you know he wasn't even planning on talking about none of this and then it just launches and it's beautiful yeah both those guys are the best yeah Dylan's the the best though at just being hilarious about anything by himself dude I I mean I met Tim like pretty early he he was pretty new when I first met him um and he was definitely like I mean he he wasn't as you know like like he didn't have the chops that he has now he wasn't as polished as he is now but he was he was very green he was brand new but I remember just like hearing a few of his rounds on podcasts and you were like yo this guy is g to be like a force of nature it's like I I almost like it's almost like you see it's like if you were watching like Michael Jordan playing high school or something like that and then like you just saw like one move and you were like oh [ __ ] oh we're doing that now all right right all right fine well he came it's such a unique perspective uh a gay right-wing guy who used to sell subprime mortgages and did a lot of drugs I'm not I'm still not convinced he's gay I'm convinced he used to sell subr mortgages that that for sure happened I'm convinced he did a lot of drugs that I believe that I believe gay thing I you know it's funny cuz every now and then you'll see it there's like a moment where you see the gay come out and
you're like oh there it is oh there it is you hide it pretty well Tim but it's there look at him there with the [ __ ] glasses oh my God he's and he puts those glasses on so he's like he's in his own little world and he can just say the most wild [ __ ] about everybody did you see the uh Nancy Pelosi debate with the dude from Mumford no I still haven't watched it I did I know you you asked me if I had seen it and then my buddy uh Rob Bernsen who co-hosts my podcast with me part of the problem uh he was like dude you got to watch it but I just have not I've been constantly traveling yeah dude he handed her well I can't believe Nancy Pelosi actually did an Oxford style debate that just seems ridiculous who told her that was a good idea I don't know I mean I guess she thought Winston is just like this [ __ ] musician isn't he a banjo player what's going on here Pelosi interrupted by anti-israeli oh Pelosi rebooted for uh to her face during Oxford debate after condemning Americans clouded by guns gays God what what what does that mean clouded by guns Gay's God what does that mean what is what does that mean she's so crazy baby guns and gays and gods oh my God challenging PC's position in the debate about populism Winston Marshall a musician who was once part of mord and Sons now host the Marshall matters podcast for The Spectators spoke in opposition to the Oxford Union motion that this house believes populism is a threat to democracy that that is a crazy argument that populism is a threat to democracy well like it's I swear to God whenever you uh whenever you hear people like Nancy Pelosi or uh Hillary Clinton or any of them use the term democracy just in your mind substitute what they mean by democracy is our rule over you like in a sense that's what they mean it's like oh yeah populism is a threat to you guys ruling us yes and that's that's kind of true that's exactly what she's saying there's she she just doesn't know she's saying that I will say this there a um there's a really great debate I believe it was the monk uh it was it was between David from and um oh God I'm blinking on his name uh Trump's big advisor oh man I'm blanking on his name I'm just I'm usually pretty good with
names guys uh but what is the guy who like uh masterminded Trump's 2016 campaign yeah Steve Bannon so Steve Bannon and David from David from was a speechwriter for George W bush and uh Steve Bannon debated populism and the crowd was so hostile uh to Bannon um and he actually did a very good job in the debate I highly recommend everyone listen to it if you're interested in this stuff because he basically laid out how the the whole trumpist populist movement is a result of your failures like who are you George W bush speechwriter to look at us and say like why is there this populism gee I wonder why maybe it's because the elites mismanaged everything and so then there was like a movement that rose up like hey these Elites are screwing you over it's populism is um it's not a sign that you have a healthy Society it's a symptom of a cause you know it's like it's in the same way I know me and you have talked about this a bunch before but in the same ways when all these people will be like you know we need to have trust in our institutions and you're like well yeah but we also need institutions that don't lie to us and when they do lie to us you can't turn around and say Hey you have to trust these institutions like no the problem started with you not being trustworthy not with us not trusting you I think people are starting to understand that better now I really do I think there's been a pretty significant shift towards people being very skeptical about [ __ ] now where it's just there's going to be a ton of people and some of these people by the way are paid and this is what I've talked to people recently that that are um either stream or their uh YouTube personalities or their Instagram social media personalities and they have a certain number of followers and they offer them thousands of dollars to do political posts yeah thousands of dollars to talk about specific political issues damn it there's no money in my politics but you know how crazy that is so like what if you have a really big account like what if you have a big account like mine we have like 19 million followers and someone says hey we would love to pay you you know to support blah blah blah you know that is creepy man that that's legal that's creepy that you can pay
people for their support for a political issue because it's this weird gray area where it's social media engagement and I'm sure there's also like there's probably like a few like Steps between like it's not like a campaign is directly paying you it's like super pack or a group that was funded by that super pack and then you could be and then you could with a straight face say I've never taken any money from the Biden campaign you're like but yeah but you did take money from a group who's basically Biden's campaign right like what the nah did with gain of function research we didn't fund nothing to do with it oh this subsidiary oh yeah this company that we yeah yeah probably but it had nothing to do with yeah those guys czy insisted you're racist wasn't that the best that that made you racist it's C made racist they're so good at that they're so good at making you whatever whatever it is racist transphobic sexist xenophobic dude and what they're nationalist what they're amazing at and I've kind of like marveled at it like over the last few years especially when I do this show like I mean there's other there's some other shows that I do that are like pretty big shows but there's just nothing like this show like the the response to it that you get especially for me cuz I come say like controversial things on the show and like the the response that how you be accurate I mean it's Bonkers dude okay so the the probably the biggest one up until I don't know but the big maybe the biggest one was that when we were talking about the war in Ukraine uh so this was like a couple years ago I guess was the the first time I came on and we were really talking about it the beginning is of the war and I basically made this whole case for how uh NATO expansion is basically what provoked this war and that that was Vladimir Putin's big gripe right and I mean I thought I totally backed it up with like listen this is what all of these experts themselves said you know not Russian experts I'm saying American experts heads of NATO all of this stuff and I mean the reaction I got from Blue Che journalist back when that meant you were a corporate journalist and Joe Scarboro was furious at me because this guy is saying that NATO provoked Vladimir Putin's Invasion because of
course the New York Times and CNN and all their favorite term was unprovoked this was completely unpr and I don't know by the way way if you caught this and I don't say this just to run a Victory lap but kind of 50% for that reason but just late last year uh the head of NATO um Stenberg Jens Stenberg or something like that Norwegian guy um but he just came out and said and he almost said it like so nonchalantly he said that Vladimir Putin before he invaded asked NATO he said if you just put in writing that you won't ever put Ukraine in NATO I won't invade but if you don't do that I'm going to invade right and then he was bragging he goes and we refused we refused to agree to that and then he was kind of going and look now NATO's going to expand even more so see how stupid Vladimir Putin is but like number one he just totally admitted that all that thing that everyone was saying was such a controversial statement two years ago that this had anything to do with NATO expansion it's like well the head of NATO just said that's what the whole thing was about and that he wouldn't have invaded if he had just agreed to not expand NATO more and then number two you're like oh so you're just bragging that you didn't do that so what hundreds of thousands of ukrainians have died now we could have just made an agreement that Ukraine won't be in NATO and not done any of this that seems better but when you say it when I said it two years ago every like anyway my point is just that they really act like you're crazy they act like you're crazy they act like you're an insane person when you're saying something that you're like no this is like very common sense and clearly true I don't think they even understand understand the history of it even the people that are commentators I think a lot of them that are Jack of all trades right they their jack of all trades in regards to their understanding of the economy International conflict you know tech tech issues you know what I I sent you this um months ago but this really was kind of eye-opening to me so there's this guy uh Liam crossgrove and he's uh he works for grey Zone um he's he's a reporter over there and so he made he basically did like this gorilla journalism type thing where he was going up and asking Congressman questions and
then he made like a video where he kind of spliced it together and there was like there was some stuff of me on this podcast in the video and some stuff of my guy uh Scott Horton who by the way is great over at antiwar.com that his whole team over there is incredible um H but so he made this video where he goes up to all these uh these congressmen and Congress women and he asks them what they think about without netanyahu's uh propping up Hamas for all of these years and to a man to a woman all of them just have this deer in headlights look and they're like uh sorry what what report are you referring to I'm sorry I haven't seen that I'd be interested to see that but I haven't seen that what what are you talking what and you just right away none of them know none of them even have the foggiest idea what you're talking about and you almost realize that weirdly it it was even eye- opening to me and I like I talk about this stuff all the time but you just kind of realize where it's like oh like yeah that's not their job their job isn't to like read books about this stuff and read newspaper articles and keep up with what's got their job is to fund raise for their next election that they have and to whip votes for this thing that this lobbyist wanted and know if I get what this lobbyist wanted he's going to contribute to my campaign and if I did it's like they're in a different world they're not in the world of like actually about this conflict and knowing things and learning more about it it's just like being the president they have to have a comprehens understanding of everything right everything which is impossible which is not possible it's not possible and the other thing is they're always talking like they're in a position of expertise one of my favorite interviews was when AOC was talking to that lady and she asked her to expand about Israel Palestine oh my God she just she just collapsed into herself it's literally like a fifth grader that didn't study yes and then they ask you about the subject or you didn't read the book and then well you know it's about Billy and his dog and really good relationship these dogs but the crazy thing about that interview is that it's like okay so her first comment comes off with like total Authority you know and then like one little one little
follow-up question the question is like well what do you mean by that and then you just see her get weaker and weaker and then like one more but what do you mean by that like I don't know what I'm talking about man she literally goes I'm really not the expert she just gave up but she kept going before she gave up she tried and you're supposed to know about that if you're going to talk about that and it's not that hard to educate yourself on it I'll know a little bit at least I mean try have an understanding of the history of the conflict it is a crazy convoluted one this is it this is it yeah yeah sure I also think think that what people are starting to see at least in in the occupation uh of of Palestine is um just an increasing crisis of humanitarian condition and that to me is just where I tend to come from on this issue you use the term the occupation of Palestine what did you mean by that oh um I think it what I meant is like the the settlements that are increasing no no that's not what the occupation means oh it keeps getting better Palestinians are experiencing difficulty in access to uh their housing and homes do you think you can expand on that yeah I mean I think I'd also just I I am not the expert on geopolitics on this issue that lady by the way knew exactly what she was doing oh of course she goes oh I'm going to expose this chick I'm going to expose her she's but and and you know it's crazy I kind of agree with aoc's like starting statement but then you're like hey you got to have something here man you got to know what you're talking about yeah you and also like this is not again this is not the place for that you have five minutes or whatever you got whatever that interview is it's there's no not a chance that you can lay out the history of this conflict and all the different Accords and all the different yes yes of course but there's also this weird thing in corporate media where there's almost like an unspoken Unwritten agreement that like look if you just have a few talking points you can get through an interview and sound really confident in yourself and sound like hey that guy knows what he's talking about you know and as long as say like if I'm interviewing you as long as I kind of
agree that I'm just going to let you say your talking points right then you can come out looking really good but as soon as one like interviewer like this one decides like no I'm going to make an example out of you now and the did it she just kept asking her to expand yeah so what do you mean by that yeah expand she's not challenging her she's literally just giving her the easiest of softballs yep and there's nothing there yeah and that's and that's right and of course AOC you know I don't almost feel bad like because she was such a like I think she was in her 20s in this video like she's just they also kind of knew that like here's this woman who just is totally not up to the task and doesn't know anything you see the Margery Taylor green uh the the Outburst these are the best of the best ladies and gentlemen these are our Representatives this is our Jerry Springer government that we have call her baby girl she called oh baby girl like they they they went full oh no you didn't listen [ __ ] I will [ __ ] you up they they were [ __ ] margerie Taylor's insulting her she's insulting margerie Taylor's Body it was dude it was wild you're like no we can't just when you think like yo this country's gotten so dumb you're like oh are we actually here are we actually here do you remember we used to watch those videos of like Parliament breaking out in other countries like Kazakhstan or some [ __ ] they' go and we'd be like that could never happen here listen to what they said so she gives her [ __ ] chaos onit hill Oh find see if you can find the raw footage of it so we don't so she starts talking [ __ ] marjerie Taylor green says maybe you couldn't read it because your fake eyelashes and the other one was like oh no you didn't strike that [ __ ] from the record then she she I said she was the butch body the marjerie Taylor but she did it in the like the caddy passive aggressive way you know we're here about I don't think you know what you're here for well you the one talking about I guess I think your fake eyelashes are messing up order Mr chairman that's beneath even order of your committee order beneath even you keep going I do have a point of order and I would like to move to to take down Miss Green's
words that is absolutely unacceptable how dare you attack the physical appearance of another person her words down oh oh girl baby girl oh really don't even play baby girl we are going to move and we're going to take your words down I second that motion that's amazing don't even play okay green agrees to St her words I believe she okay hold on then after Mr Perry is going to be recognized then M I'm not apolog the I am not apologizing let's go I'm just curious just to better understand your ruling if someone on this committee then starts talking about somebody's bleach blind bad built Butch body that would not be engaging in personalities correct solid alliteration what now chairman bleach blond bad Butch body she makes strike it I I'm genuinely kind of impressed with the alliteration off the top of the head that was pretty good the bleach blond built bad built Butch body yeah that's not bad it's not bad she thought about it for a while she had a little time she probably had that in her a little time yeah was a lotp in there's a little time to concoct that there a little moment like she goes over to a she's like whenever you're I got a good one I got one here just talking [ __ ] to each other like they're on Twitter spaces like the next line should be like you are not the father like it's just the middle of this chaos just [ __ ] insane our Representatives yeah yeah that's that's Insanity I mean other countries have to be laughing at that I would if I was China I'd be like oh my God this is amazing how could we have known our plan would work so well so well it is wild it is really wild so that yeah and this is what uh and this is this is who votes on War I mean they don't actually get to vote on war if it makes you feel any better but the only thing that gives me hope is that may enough competent people will see these folks and go you know what I have to [ __ ] run like this is ridiculous like this is this is absolutely maybe some successful business people that were on the edge yeah this will push them towards the you know just someone who just gets cut the [ __ ] [ __ ] or even if not running I do think there's things like look like Elon
Musk buying Twitter I do think was kind of like a move of kind of like okay he's not going to run for office that's probably not his calling in life but he was like okay he can't be president well that's right well he couldn't be president but he could run for something else but that's not Elon musk's best use of his abilities but to buy Twitter and just be like hey look I see what's going on here we're going to make this one social media platform that isn't in lock step with all of the other Progressive ones things like that are really important so bro if they make it so that you could have been born somewhere else and be president of the United States running Twitter SpaceX and Tesla while being president is the most Elon must thing to do ever that's true that he wouldn't even step down from the it's not I can get it all done get it all done in 20 minutes have a few meetings well I mean but then if you did that the thing is like this is what all the conspiracy theorists are fearing about these people coming into the country they're fearing that the people coming into the country what they're going to do is offer them citizenship in regards to in in replacement of uh military service so they'll they'll serve the military then become citizens and then if there's like some sort of a crazy thing breaks out then you have your immigrant Army against the original people that were here when they got here yeah no I mean there's a lot of like there's a lot of concerns with that yeah because otherwise AOC reveals darker intentions behind Marg agreed she's saying that she kind of did this on purpose to derail the the actual hearing they were having because after that happened and they went into chaos they stopped doing what they were there to do actually and just had like a vote without having any amendments or any more discussion it's a microcosm what author itarian do on a larger scale I don't think she's thinking that far ahead Margie Taylor green is a wild lady I don't think she had a master [ __ ] I think she was just insulting her eyelashes just insulting her she's just talking [ __ ] I mean I don't know I wasn't there that I can't imagine that she's doing this as like some four 4D chess move I don't see I don't see her behaving like uh
Netanyahu I think I don't think her she's doing a Hamas here I think this simplest explanation is that she just wanted to insult that chick's eyelashes that's probably that's my guess because they were talking they were insulting each other right cuz she said you don't know what you're talking about like she said something about did you read or you didn't even read it like I think you're messing up with your [ __ ] fake eyelashes sh yeah she chimed in first saying do you know what you're here for but that was after she was saying that she was derailing it right away with I don't think you know what you're here for I think your fake eyelashes are messing up what you're reading so the other girl what did the other lady say before that to her it was cut off that we didn't see In that clip oh that's where I was just going like if she maybe she didn't think it was the whole thing but also maybe someone just said before hey if you get a chance to [ __ ] this up go for it I I suppose it's possible it's Poss it's certainly possible it's always possible I just don't I think that that's just how she behaves yeah but at the same time if you were like her and then someone came up to her and was like hey I need you to like mess this up and draw it out she'd be like no problem that's my that's my special because I do that for are you telling me to turn this into a [ __ ] show no problem she proba do a bump of coke before she does it she like crack her neck like let's go oh you got the right [ __ ] for the job on this one I'll tell you yeah you know my favorite guy was that the the the gay dude who lied about his past completely uh Santos yeah and now he just talks [ __ ] about everybody I know dude his lies were so crazy too like they would be lies like it wasn't even lies like with a like a political benefit to it or something it was just like li like it's like you know as Captain as captain of the volleyball team at Harvard and they were like not only did you not play volleyball you never went to Harvard like none of this is real like you're just making up things where you're like did he really say that just making that one up it was like lies like that where you were like none of this did he lie about Jamie but he's hilarious man when you hear him interviewed he's [ __ ] hilarious where
he turns on him talking about how they're all stealing money and this one's the mo this one's the [Laughter] worst that's great well he's a con man in a [ __ ] sea of con man according to New York mag he lied about this lied to donors legally lot of donors then use their money to make purchases at Mer's and only fans he used Campa money for personal travel and Botox oh my God I love this guy allegedly lied to collect unemployment benefits oh my God that's so funny he's charged with hold on a second he's charged with Ste people's identities and making charges on his own donor's credit cards wait where you going I'm just going down the list yeah but I'm reading it where where it's right here this is where I was okay well stealing people's identities and making charges on his own donor's credit cards without their authorization lying to the FEC and by extension the public about the financial state of his campaign so Santos falsely inflated the campaign's reported receipts with non-existent loans and contributions that were either fabricated or so he's just making up money about making up numbers about how much money they had stealing people's money dude spending campaign contributions on only fans and Botox is just the I mean it's hard not to root for that guy oh it's listen they're all Crooks look the the inside trading is off the chart that is it is so crazy that that's legal it's so crazy that that's legal so while that's going on you're G to get mad at this guy for this this seems minor dude you look at no that's it and that's what's so kind of like funny about it is that like you think about um dude the clintons okay Bill and Hillary Clinton have since I was a little kid I mean I maybe since I'm basically since I was like four or five years old was when he was governor in in Arkansas they were their entire career is they were public servants and they ran a charity and they're worth like a hundred million dollar or something like that like wait a minute huh wait say you guys haven't been practicing law any of this time you haven't been working in some industry where you've made tons of money you were public servants who make you
know healthy salaries but not like that's going to put you in the hundreds of millions of dollars and you ran a charity the Clinton foundation and now somehow you're what Barack and Michelle Obama they were they just he goes into the White House look at the house he lives in now it's like so you're every it's like there is almost something where everyone turns at Santos cuz obviously like that's such a cartoonish easy you know version of it but it is kind of wild that there's so much outrage against this guy and you know it's it's like in the same sense where like you know there'll be like corruption and say like some Eastern European countries there's corruption where like the level of corruption is like if you get pulled over by the cop you could slip him some money and he'll let you go now we don't have that in America right like you don't you can't really ever slip a cop money when he pulls you over in America You may wish you could in certain situations but you can't really do that I'm not saying it's never happened but you really can't do that in America but we have like the prison guard Union lobbying to keep mandatory minimums on marijuana so like okay you could look down your nose at this primitive form of corruption but think about how [ __ ] up that is you know what I mean they like and that's just all it is is just corruption on a much much bigger but it's legal corruption exactly and everyone just accepts it it's a wild time my friend because people have access to information now that allows them to really see all this stuff like the the insider trading thing probably been going on forever but we didn't even hear about it until about a decade ago yeah oh very rarely came up it was just kind of accepted that like all of these people are rich yeah and we don't really know where they got their money from except Jimmy Carter and that's one of the things that people loved about Jimmy Carter is Jimmy Carter to the end really just maintained a very simple lifestyle you know and just never chase money he never was that guy he didn't do those crazy speeches where he talks to bankers and makes half a million dollars for some strange reason like those those speeches are wonderful because those are the cutest those are the cutest ones CU
like wait a minute your policies benefited these corporations and then surprise surprise those people after you leave office want to hear you talk so badly they're willing to [ __ ] the market up yeah well I'll tell you they're will to give you hundreds of thousands of dollars to come talk this is also I think where there's a flaw okay so this is maybe one of the reasons why I'm a Libertarian and not a progressive I mean there's there's many reasons but one of the things that I think a lot of progressives who I who I think are like well-intentioned um their big thing will be like we got to get the money out of politics and what they mean by that is that we can't let you know say corporations contribute to political campaigns or something like that because then of course they're just basically buying you know corruption buy but I think like the flaw like Jen yuger and people like that that's like his big issue you know is get the money out of politics I think the flaw in that is that yeah but they always find a way to get because look those speeches that's not contributing to anyone's campaign and that's not technically rewarding you for for bailing out the big Banks it's just you happen to bail out the big Banks and then they happen to really want to listen to what you have to say after that and look we of course the book deals warranted people want to read your book it's like the idea that you could ever close down on every single loophole look the Saudis weren't allowed to contribute money to Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign because you're not allowed to do that but they could give $10 million to the Clinton foundation and then once Hillary Clinton lost it's so weird they stopped donating like I don't know they just stopped being interested in charity you know the house of sa was really interested in charity for a while there in 2016 and then they stopped being so interested so essentially I think like the libertarian view on it is that it's like no no no whatever rule you want to have if you have this much power in Washington DC that power is going to be corrupted and people will find a way the only answer is to reduce the power yeah and isn't the charitable Foundation thing a sneaky tax way of making money yeah for sure
there's because there's a thing about charitable foundations like everyone who's like really rich seems to have a foundation yeah yeah I mean I'm I'm not the expert on that or anything else really but I know that they certainly like get a whole bunch of tax breaks that you wouldn't get if you just started a business well not only that but if they're doing things like gates for instance to promote Global Health right so he gets involved and he makes money off vaccines so he he sells his stock and then starts talking badly about them yeah I mean it's pretty wild it's wild stuff it's wild it's wild that you can make money like hundreds of millions of dollars while you're running a charitable organization but if you also think about it like the hundreds of millions of dollars that these guys make off of that is nothing because the legislation that they're passing or the policy that they're pushing is making these special interests hundreds of billions of dollars so if you buy off a politician for 20 million bucks and you get you know like a no bid contract that's going to be worth $200 billion do to you that's a pretty good return on investment there was a uh article about this particular area of Virginia that's like the most expensive real estate in the country and it's all where the lobbyists live and uh I think it is it blinkin whose house that they're picketing in front of that they've been essentially there since see if you can find it I think it's uh I think it's blink's home there he has some crazy [ __ ] setup there some [ __ ] dope ass old school mansion and uh they're all camping out in front of his house it's the Palestine free Palestine people and so they've decided to constantly protest in front of his house yeah Anthony blink's family is the latest Target of Washington's ugliest protest Trend so they just camp out in front of his house and they're pouring Blood on the ground I mean it's a little weird to do with your baby stop the genocide in Gaza I like this better than just blocking the road it's definitely better than blocking the road blocking the road is the dumbest [ __ ] thing of all time and you know I mean this is what people do if you're involved in war you know you're
if you're involved in people dying welcome to kabut blinking oh Jesus yeah so they I think they've been there like for months this article is from February 16th yeah I think they just they it's a constant encampment and they they've got this thing where they're just going to protest protest in front of this guy's house I do prefer taking it to the people who are actually somewhat responsible over just kind of incon going Jerry Seinfeld shows and yelling at them this is at least makes more sense yeah that guy's got to sell that house you got to get out of Dodge bro yeah it might be might be time to leave don't worry I'm sure the Market's up he'll do he'll do fine on that house I'm sure he probably has a couple other houses too he probably doesn't have to stay there but it really is you got one of them houses probably got a little spot over there a little spot over here it is it is crazy though that they don't like our leaders don't even feel the urge to like kind of not shove it in all of our faces right that there like that this whole thing is just you know it's all just kind of like oh how much money can I extract from this pot and get myself wealthy you don't feel like any sense of I and and I will say the one who I like kind of personally resent the most which maybe is unfair but is Obama because so many of us did kind of buy into at least to to some degree the thing he was selling in 2008 and you're like wait but you don't feel like you have you seen pictures of the house he lives in oh he's got multiple houses you got one in Hawaii yeah but I'm talking about the one in Vineyard on an article about the house that he had and there's a fun fact about the street that it's on it's oh yeah a bunch of Saudis own it right yeah at least five houses also known as Northern Virginia's Gold Coast the road features opulent homes on large properties perched high above the pomac with weeping views such estate sell for tens of millions of dollars as was the case when AOL co-founder Steve case sold his estate to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia for 43 million in 2018 those must be dope views find us a view find us a view Northern Virginia Gold Coast Real Estate let's see what we can get for 50 million you know all right see if we can get for for all the [ __ ] Instagram ads that they
want you to run for this political party if you if you over the 50 I'll I'll handle the taxes let's see what the views look like cuz if it's over the pomac and they perched high above it must look insane oh there was a little image back there if you click Images Oh Real Estate images there was one pretty spectacular view in that last thing let me see some view so these are these these are like these old school like Connecticut style houses yeah you know like [ __ ] The Great Gatsby that kind of deal you know those those I have a buddy of mine who uh Works in Connecticut he lives in Connecticut too but he he works at a school where a lot of these like people send their kids he's like dude these [ __ ] houses are ridiculous they're old school mansions on these giant properties and the they all do drugs and [ __ ] [ __ ] each other's wives and go crazy spend all their taxes spend all their [ __ ] their real estate holding money and all their stocks and bond money these are dope ass houses look at that a VI they're cool looking houses godamn that must be awesome living there so that's where all those uh but your neighbors are all demons you're surrounded by people that are literally the cause of all the problems of the world if you're comtable if you're comfortable selling your soul there's a really nice house in it for you partying with lobbyists woo you imagine if you could just like slip in you know how like the like the Israelis they infiltrate Hamas like imagine you're an Israeli soldier and you've infiltrated Hamas and like nobody knows I'm inside and you're you're you mean maybe you have to kill a few people likeing let them know you're Ser I'm sure you have to do something you probably have to do something otherwise they're not going to trust you but imagine if you could like infiltrate lobbyists do coke with them party with them you're like some [ __ ] dude who owns a sub shop chain or something like that you're kind of looked out you know and all a sudden you're hanging around with these guys and they get comfortable with you sort of like they did with mistal like with that embedded reporter yeah when well that was Michael Hastings and he got him they were out at a bar
and they just got him talking [ __ ] about Obama no no no no no no no the The Volcano blew what there was a volcano in Iceland so he got stranded there oh right okay yeah yeah yeah I think I did know the volcano in Iceland shut down air travel so Hast is embedded with his troop and mistal SS talking [ __ ] they get comfortable they're you can't keep the act up with the reporter around forever after a few months a few weeks I think also because he was a rolling stone reporter it was like their guard was down a little bit more like they weren't like this isn't like a Washington Post or New York Times he'll probably run some kind of like pop story about this you know what I mean and then he like really ran the story yeah and like used quotes of the guy aring Obama yeah and he was forced to resign and there's something really interesting about that though too just like a little bit of a window into like the lob well well I just mean that there could be generals who are just like you know in their private time being like ah dude [ __ ] this guy this [ __ ] commands you know what I mean like I'm sure I'm sure they got them all tape recorded yeah you know like that wasn't that the thing about the Mad was Bill Clinton was that a story that just came out recently with the Monica Lewinsky thing oh yeah yeah yeah I think I did see something about this right Rec yeah they' recorded him they're [ __ ] good man they're good and they catch those dirt bags those dudes that are just like [ __ ] hounds you get two types of people that want to be president warmongers and [ __ ] hounds that's all you get and sometimes if you're lucky you get a [ __ ] Hound who also a warer well for the most part you get one of one of two it's almost like okay if your dick still works you'll be a [ __ ] Hound if your dick doesn't still work then you got to launch rockets to like make up for that so it's like that it's almost the same impulse maybe but sometimes if you dick Works you're like hey don't [ __ ] this up I'm trying to get late yeah well that's what I mean that's what you probably rather that one or sometimes when you're an old man and you don't want to [ __ ] anymore you're like look enough already just I want to play
golf yeah I just want to relax going to the sun over it stop stop stop stop stop stop God like I've had my sex I've blown up my things let's sh that's what we need yeah that's the argument that that's what Trump is at this point of his life well oh man I don't know I mean I don't know either it's such a weird goddamn situation because the word situation everything they throw at him it just backfires and it just makes them stronger and stronger and it looks like this case has fallen apart it looks like almost all of them are falling apart the one in New York though apparently they thought was the most flimsy like a lot of legal experts thought it was the most flimsy going into it but now it's completely falling apart they have contrad contradictory statements that she made to Bill M and then they also have Michael Cohen just admitted he stole like $30,000 from the Trump campaign so that's not good the really fascinating one was the uh which that sounds like what Michael Cohen would do the really interesting one was the um the FBI with the picture of the uh the top secret classet classified yeah tell tell about that because most people aren't even aware of this well it look it seems that the FBI you know when you see the pictures of them on the ground there with all the classified it's like oh that was put there by the FBI so it's not as if like it was presented as if oh look this is what Donald Trump was doing the sheets that said top secret and classified didn't exist before the FBI came along the sheet saying that and then they the documents and then they put pictures of these new things that they put over the documents that said top secret and classified then they took a picture this is very important to make this distinction because the documents were classified but they didn't have [ __ ] signs on I'm like TNT well and it also is it's seeming more and more like there were several um instances where it seems that Donald Trump was constantly being trapped um that going all the way back to the 2016 campaign if you remember there was this famous meeting um with the Russian at the Trump Tower Hotel but when you actually look into it what happened was like some Russian woman said she had dirt on Hillary Clinton they got there
to a meeting with her and she had nothing and then they were all like okay whatever but then the story was oh he's conspiring with the Russians and it seems that oh that was a trap to get Donald Trump to do that so that they could make it look like he was conspiring with Russians and there's just been several things like this over and over again how about the fact that Hillary Clinton funded the steel dossier yeah that that whole thing and then you know so amazing so she has that been confirmed oh 100% let's confirm that the Clinton campaign funded the steel dossier the prosecutor said that there was so many sheets used that they had to start using handwritten sheets to cover up the classified info that's what they say right but the thing is the photographs show pH that show printed out pieces of paper that say classified and top secret and those weren't there they put those there so it's not that they covered up some of the documents before they took pictures of them that makes sense isn't that to cover up the information could be but you take taking photographs with pieces of paper that say classified top secret it gave an impression of something that was different than what was actually there it it most certainly does because it's like oh my God he knew these are classified in top secret he knew he had these he did this deceptively and it's also just the visual the Optics of like look classified and just laying on the floor there like that look it makes sense if you have to document okay this one's classified this one's top secret let's put a piece of paper on it but as soon as you put the people a piece of paper on it that says those things and you photograph them you're saying this is how you found it right or at least allowing you to to deduce that for yourself you should have to be very specific about these classified and top secret sheets were not a part of the evidence they were put on top to label that evidence but they probably like we don't have to do that let's just it looks bad looks bad well that classified top secret stuff looks bad and look it's and it's just very clearly for anybody who's like being honest and paying attention it's just very CLE that there's like there's a political
motivation involved here that these guys are trying hurt Donald Trump's re reelection or or election campaign and that in itself is like just so wild well do how about the [ __ ] White House Press Secretary saying she can't comment on because it involves the 2024 presidential election so she can't comment on Trump's trial because it involves the 2024 presidential election which is so ridiculous you can comment on the your whole job is to comment on the election also you're not supposed to say that that trial is about the [ __ ] election the thing you want me you're not supposed to say that DNC Clinton campaign agreed to steal dossier funding fine they got a fine oh they won 100% this how much they they got finded $113,000 to setal Federal Election Commission investigation into whether they violated campaign Finance law by misreporting spending on Research that eventually became the infamous steel dossier that is wild that all that cost him was $133,000 imagine that's a real that's a good deal PR you got out of that how much [ __ ] Trump colluded with Russia talk you got out of that that's just real quick let's and I talk about this more cuz we'll bee we'll be right back folks that was the studio where we got in trouble I got in trouble because I said that if I was talking to a 21-year-old healthy kid I wouldn't tell him to take that shot wasn't that in here that was in the other one that was in the Red Room that was like early days but that was our that might have been our first podcast in Austin yeah probably was probably was well it aged pretty goddamn good Joe it's pretty goddamn good didn't it yeah it's it's crazy to think about I swear to God like this is always especially now cuz like we've been doing these shows together for so many years that you can go back and look at like the things that were so wildly controversial to say then and 100% accurate and they were totally accurate and now it's not even controversial at all to say it's just like oh yeah that's that's common sense now yeah most of those things now and you know it's just I I I think these kind of conversations though contribute to the Public's distrust in mainstream media they really they know they know what the
[ __ ] game is now it's a really interesting statement because that's their argument you know what I mean that like that's CNN's argument about why we need to cancel Joe Rogan it's because your conversations contribute to the public mistrust but then like my my counterargument to that is like yeah but that's good cu no one should trust you you did that to yourself yeah you guys are a bunch of liars yeah you're a bunch of liars and I should have sued you I mean dude 100% slam dunk yeah I don't want to go to court I'm noted I know no that's why I mean like I just want to see I felt like like I know how this game has played out it's like when you doing Jiu-Jitsu with someone and you're in the half guard and you're like I'm getting out of this I'm getting out of this half guard and I'm going to mount you yeah well it did I mean look it it totally blew up in their faces and and they're done I mean after the covid stuff I don't see any recovery I think the corporate media is just going to get less and less influence it's already you see how much it's moved over look one of the big ones back to what they they were trying to do this with the reorganization of CNN they were trying to get back to hardcore objective journalism without some sort of editorial bias because they said listen this is the only way out of this yeah but even that was never really it was like hey let's not be so blatantly anti-trump and let's get back to just you know yeah but still protecting all the powerful people and still it's not like there was ever really going to be look you're never going to like see a discussion on CNN about how like you know you have these um these think tanks in Washington DC who advocate for war and they're funded by weapons companies like what do you think that means is that ever once come up on CNN never and it never well do you think that they would ever have a Anderson Cooper which is brought to you by fizer investigation into fiser that seems unlikely of course not seem unlikely and look it's not even again like take the example of of say even Chris Cuomo right who now he's over with the value tment with Patrick B David our boy and all of a sudden he's talking about vaccine injuries and ior mechon and all this it's like well why
is it when you're at CNN which is you know sponsored by the pharmaceutical companies don't talk about this but as soon as you're over here now it's okay to talk about this you know you just you kind of see it like happen that it's like oh yeah no there are there are there's there's humongous power centers in America there's like the pharmaceutical industry there's the banking industry there's the War Industry there's all these big ones and none of them ever get really questioned in the corporate media like one little action might be questioned every now and then but the whole system as a whole never gets questioned you'll never see like a real um you'll never see a piece on CNN um about like do we really need a central bank does the Federal Reserve do more good for the American people or does it do more good for Wall Street you know like the that conversation will never come up it won't there's too many powerful people who would be you know like scared by that and if that's the case we're never going to have logical solutions to a real informed measure that we could put into place to fix things it's not going to happened but I'm very encouraged by certain things right and I'm very I'll say tucker getting fired from Fox News and being bigger than he was on Fox News is really amazing it's pretty wild nothing like that's ever happened before also wild that he interviewed that dude who said he blew Obama I was like yo I forgot to ask him about that you were talking he got me with the UFOs he had an agenda godamn it he came in and got me I'm soft right off the bat got with UFO and Angel talk like w this is a good one it's also it's pretty funny just come in here like Hey Joe you ever heard of UFOs before you're like I've heard of UFOs well I I did definitely want to talk to him about that because he's got this very specific uh perspective that's very biblical you know he's had a very religious perspective on it he thinks it's Angels and Demons which is really fascinating you know that there's good entities and bad entities and that they've always been here like that it's a mind [ __ ] a half yeah it sure is um and I don't know I don't really understand much about it I also haven't talk to Tucker about that and I would be interested to because he will allude to
at points like that he's had people inside the government kind of confirm things see I almost want to ask him not even on air just like off air like okay so what exactly was it's one of the craziest things that Bob Lazar said and he said this way back in the 1980s he said there's a very bizarre religious aspect to it and it see if you could find him saying this because I don't want to I don't want to paraphrase this but he said that what they were it's he said it's going to sound crazy to say but the way they have it described is that human beings are vessels for Souls that were containers and that that's why they're interested in us that we're containers of souls now I want you to imagine a scenario where AI is ubiquitous in the universe and that this is where intelligent creatures they get to a certain point in their evolution where they create an artificial intelligence and that artificial intelligence is far superior but in order to do it again on another planet you you you you kind of have to start the same way you did it on Earth you got to start with biological organisms that have souls so if you want to make intelligent life you got to start out with Souls because you have to have these creatures that have like these human reward systems about breeding and controlling resources and controlling real estate and and territory and that those are the ones that are going to like scramble to innovate and then they give birth to this Superior life form but the only way to do it again somewhere else is you got to do the same thing so like if you believe that life exists in a similar form all throughout the cosmos that there's kind of similar fish and kind of similar thing I don't know if that's the case we have no evidence but if that is the if that's how if what we're seeing in these different galaxies what we're seeing in these different solar systems that we observe is planets in these goldilock zones if that was the case that the way to get these things to keep doing you need to get there it's the soul it's the thing inside the living organism that's
causing biological evolution that the actually essence of the creature that this thing is what's going to determine whether or not it hits the Innovation level required to achieve artificial intelligence and then that's what they are so what we are to them is like these little soul containers because they don't have souls anymore how about that mind [ __ ] listen to this it is a mind [ __ ] there is a extremely classified document dealing with religion and without that se period but why would there be any classified material dealing with religion I want to go back to the religion thing I want you to say it it just it's so it's so far out it's all right your objection has been noted okay what does it say that were containers that's how that's how supposedly the aliens look at us that we are nothing but containers containers of containers maybe containers of souls you can come up with whatever Theory you want but we're containers and that's how we're mentioned in the documents um that religion was specifically created so we had some rules and regulations for the sole purpose and not damaging the containers yeah wrap your head around that I mean there is look we're about five years away from talking to a robot Dave Smith that's IND discernable from you and if that thing has Quantum computing power in its [ __ ] metal head and it be becomes another version of Life a much more Superior version of life and then they keep doing that forever all throughout the cosmos but the only way to get there are you going to start having AI Dave on the podcast instead of me I want them to do my ads for me I hire AI Joe to do my ads for you still want to do the podcast but you're like I don't just reading ads well I don't want AI Joe to do the podcast because AI Joe is going to have to rely on all of my opinions I formed up until now and I might change them tomorrow yeah I I can't have ai Joe assume it's gonna know how I think about things because I don't know how I think about things I like to be open-minded to the point where I'm willing to take into consideration new ways of looking at things new possibilities I don't know if AI is going to do that it's going to be too smart for that yeah maybe I mean it
is an interesting it is such an interesting thing but on the point of containers isn't there something and I I'm literally just kind of thinking out loud as I say this but there is kind of something where we all do accept to some degree that that's true that we're kind of container I mean like just in the sense that have you seen a dead body well right if you look at a dead body it's like uh it's empty yeah it's you don't look at that like oh that's there's that you're like tell that's put that in the ground cu the the person what we think of is the person is gone I'm not saying that is anything too controversial about that statement like an atheist or a religious person or anyone would kind of agree with that but it's something we all just kind of take for granted but if you really think about it it is like the magic of what makes us us is something that being contained by this meat shell and it's different it's not the same thing and it's not really anything that we at least at our level of scientific understanding can really tangibly measure like what is it from The reductionist Atheist position like electromagnetic waves in your brain and then when that goes it's just a piece of meat now again it's I don't know it's a little bizarre we don't really understand it maybe and then the thing is like okay if we have souls do other animals have souls too like sure seems like dogs do dogs definitely do they there's something there's a weird relationship that we have with dogs it's very strange my dog is basically my son he's like my dog son I mean I think of him like a like a person like he snuggles with me he he's probably more affectionate to me than anybody in my house your daughters give you attitude your son's just cool they they don't snuggle with their dad on the couch but he just like when I watch TV he hops up on top of me and puts his head on my chest and he watches fights with me he chills with me he's a a golden retriever right and those are like also the just friendliest like dogs they're the most loving and lovable dogs they're so lovable and he's so enthusiastic like we went swimming yesterday and this [ __ ] dog will not because he's not hot if he's swimming so he's got crazy endurance so he just keeps going for an
hour and 15 minutes I threw the ball into the water and he [ __ ] leaps off the deck into the water and gets the ball and comes back out drops at your feet let's go let's go again like you know how like hyped a UFC fighter gets like right before the fight like it's like dude dogs just have that energy always if you want to do anything you're just like you want to go in the car they're like let's go let's [ __ ] do this yeah he goes crazy I could barely get the collar on him spinning around circles I'm like sit still dude yeah then he he will never stop being enthusiastic about the ball it's I I threw the ball for him this morning and I always think today's going to be he's tired of this [ __ ] ball was no it's like oh the [ __ ] ball he's got the ball he starts spitting around his circles he jumps up towards it it's hilarious like he never loses his enthusiasm there's got to be something that we can learn from that because we just get we get comfortable with familiarity and we get bored with things we don't want to do the same thing over and over and over again if it's that simple like chasing a ball but the enthusiasm that he had the first time he chased the ball he has the exact same maybe more so cuz now he knows it's fun yeah so he can't wait to do it again but there's something about like cuz uh cuz dogs are I think essentially right like we bred them to be kind of like babyish wolves like they're wolves that are kind of kept in a Perpetual state of immaturity almost right cuz like I think well I think but basically I think the the qualities that you see in baby wolves like a baby wolf will be almost indistinguishable in in terms of how they could be domesticated from like a puppy but it's as they grow older that [ __ ] right right so it's almost like we kind of kept the traits that keep you young because it's the same thing it's the same thing with having little kid they're trying to do to men does seem like there's an attempt to kind of domesticate and uh yeah soften yeah keep man is like 13-year-old boys that follow the rules shut the [ __ ] up yeah yeah the wolf thing is really interesting because I am generally opposed to a weakening of a of of a life form for uh for human pleasure like that's bizarre that you take a [ __ ]
wolf and turn it into Carl over there but that's that's what happened that's what happened Carl's cute he's not much of a wolf but I love Carl so like I'm conflicted like Part of Me loves dogs and the other part of me like I love wolves I want them to be wolves well there still are wolves out there we took those [ __ ] wolves that didn't want to hunt and they wanted to come by the fire and we like hey bark if a [ __ ] bear comes by will you yeah throw your bone and then they made friends and then the wills started drooping their ears let you know I'm your friend I'm your buddy do you know about the Russian Fox experiment no they did it in Russia they did this experiment where they wanted to see how quickly they could change a fox's overall appearance their behavior and so what they did was they had these captive foxes through breeding yes through breeding and natural selection meaning shooting in in the [ __ ] head so whenever a fox was aggressive in any way shape or form towards humans bang Dead next on they can't breede so the only ones that breede is like don't shoot me and so they probably are pretty aware you know through the the zge that these [ __ ] foxes are getting shot you know there like something in the air there probably some psychic in the you know morphic resonance something in the field that lets them know hey people are getting shot out here like you got to be nice to these [ __ ] humans see that thing he's got in his hand that thing will kill you with a squeeze of his finger and so they over a very short period of time turned him into completely different animals that had like big eyes fluffy ears like ears that fell down and soft their jaws got smaller they they became more cute it's I know I remember seeing U it's in one of those uh like famous documentaries about dogs but I thought this this always like was very interesting to me is that they one of the major differences between wolves and dogs is that they do this experiment where they'll like uh they'll put a piece of meat and it's in a cage um and they the wolf or dog can't get to it and the Wolf will like bang against the cage and try to get it over and over and over again we'll just never stop we'll just never stop doing it but the dog will try to get it a couple times and then looks to
the person and that's like one of the differences is that it's like been ingrained in dogs that you're also their partner you know like they'll look to you and be like hey buddy I know you got a few IQ points on May any idea how to get this meat out of this uh here cage and like that's so deep in them well not only that the wolf would never think looked to you as the leader a wolf never thinks you're the leader yeah especially an unfixed male wolf shut the [ __ ] up sit did you say sit who the [ __ ] are you talking to [ __ ] don't you read little word wiing Hood that's me [ __ ] I eat people they had in the same documentary I can't remember what it's called but they did they had this experiment where people were just trying to raise wolves like domesticate them from puppies and raise them and it it was interesting to see like it's as they start to get into like adolesence and stuff and the Wolves would be attached to them CU they had raised them since they were little puppies but you can't train them the way you can train a dog they're jumping up on the table and knocking everything off and they're not responding to down or here boy none of that's happening that's food I'm going to eat that food [ __ ] you did you see that video that was online uh today uh I think it's El seros California there's a wolf running down the street no I didn't see this yeah wild it's a big boy too big wolf running down the street and this guy's driving and his car is like is that a [ __ ] wolf dude there's a [ __ ] wolf running down the street in eloros California where is that I don't know somewhere somewhere California I think it's near Redwood or Redland it's a from a year ago oh is it this yep that's it yeah that's from a year ago bro that's a big ass wolf in a street that's a urban street look at that that's a big wolf man yeah it sure is that thing's big when you see them and you like think what would a dog look like there that's when it really Dawns on you how big these things are it's like 150 lb wolf I'm guessing might be less over a 100 but it's uh running down the street like hey yeah like it's not worried at all it's like it's like it's going to eat your dog yeah it's like yeah it's 100% going to eat dog especially if you got a little dog
little dog trouble yeah Elite coyotes too by the way it's going to kill them too there's a weird uh I remember reading this book um I believe it was called before the dawn I Believe by Nicholas Wade and it's like a book on Evolution and there was a whole chapter about uh dogs and humans and how we evolv together but it is this weird thing how like so you could look at say look at like um like a Yorkie or something like that whatever the and you could go like well look this thing couldn't survive like a second it couldn't get its own food for a sec and you'd be like well isn't this like a flaw in evolution or something but then you also realize that you could argue that it's basically one The evolutionary race because it has this human species that just does all of the work for them and carries it yeah literally carries it cleans its ass puts food down for it and you're like oh yeah this did work out pretty well for that thing worked out great it is it's going to work out great for men too yeah I don't know but who gets to be in charge here here's a good question would it go back to wolves so like imagine if there was some sort of apocalypse scenario all the power went off most human beings are dead but a lot of dogs survive I think like I think you know my guess and this is a totally like just like just keep in mind I'm an idiot I have no idea what I'm talking about but I think like if you're making an argument would a German Shepherd would eventually like if they were just left out of the would it just breed like the harshest and toughest and most survivors maybe not wolf but you'd get some wolf likee creature that Yorkie isn't going to make it to generation 2 I've seen York take yor aren't going to make it but the dogs that are probably the closest to wolves probably would make it yeah especially in cold climates right so now they're Outdoors so now huskys and things that are pretty like ketas kind of wolfish wolfik is well you'd come up with some badass version of them that are killers again that wouldn't be trained it'd be almost like they're not kept in childhood they' become kind of Grownups again what is that one crazy Russian dog I know we've talked about it before this one huge uh they use them to
fight off wolves they use them like to protect flocks yeah Caucasian Shepherd show me some images of the Caucasian Shepherd it's [ __ ] enormous look what that thing looks like so show me some images okay they they look [ __ ] terrifying they look like superwolves like it's just like this look at that giant [ __ ] thing so that went the other way like they develop something that can [ __ ] wolves up and because they needed something to protect their their flocks they needed someone to protect their sheep and [ __ ] so look at that size of that [ __ ] thing bro that thing's so huge I think they're like 200 lb and they have fur everywhere so they're probably really hard to bite look at the size of that thing where it's hopping on that lady's shoulders good Lord so there's another one that other one the Caucasian that one I think is even more ferocious I think I might be wrong that's perspective bro [ __ ] size of that thing though look at the size even with perspective look at that thing yeah these are very ferocious tietan Mastiffs yes well this is saying I raise I I see your Tibetan Mastiff I raise you this Co Tibetan Mastiffs are another crazy looking animal too dud that guy that guy looks like the guy who would have those dogs look at that thing if you're a wolf you're like ah [ __ ] it's basically the Brock Lesnar of wolves you know everybody else is a welterweight and this [ __ ] shows up look at the size of that thing yeah you better you better heal hook that wolf yeah bro you're done that thing you you can't it's you're not even going to get through all that fur to bite him yeah it's like a lion's man it's like literally like there to protect from the cold and bites it really does look like what the Russians would do with the dog of course that's what you did well we're making we're making little poodle mixtures over here the Russians are coming up you're like ah [ __ ] we should have been doing that of course the French should been doing that this whole time you telling me we can't produce Munitions like the Russians and our dogs have to fight those dogs when the war goes down imagine yeah yeah I think we covered it all Dave
Smith anything else well I think that that should save the world for now this is not it's a long it's a process there's going to be many podcasts we're going have to do this a thousand times to save the old world and the new world is going to be unstoppable that's my fear well I got to tell you I'm almost at the point with this world where I'm like H let's roll the dice on this new on these new overlords well hopefully things will balance out and be much more logical when they're not run by humans well I still I still believe in humans I think the uh the Monopoly the the Monopoly of information is broken Ron Paul will become president within the next 10 years reverse his age he will that's right that's what they do they just put Ron all sorts of we can do that if we can get if we can get Ron Paul Young again then this country's got a good chance Ron Paul needs to get on some daily NAD drips and start testosterone therapy and get on the peptides and NM we got to change his Vitamin routine weights is he he's doing pretty good he's he's almost I think he's 89 88 something like that and very Cent and he's on top of it and every time every time his show comes on it's like he's like okay here's the latest of what's going on in China and like knows everything like he's just read everything about that's happening extraordinary Dave Smith you're the [ __ ] man love you it's always great to talk to you and uh stay offline for a couple days it's going to get ugly bye everybody a [Music]