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Joe Rogan podcast check it out The Joe Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day all right folks drop in good to see you man thank you we first met what was like at least 20 years ago right 22 years ago was it 22 mhm wow so uh I had seen your movie and I don't even remember how I got in touch with you cuz this is before my podcast I don't even you emailed me okay so did I email you off your website is that what it was I think so and then you said if you're ever in La let's meet and I happened to be in La when you sent me the email ah synchronicity yes yeah so let's take everybody on this journey with you so you were a young man you were fascinated by NASA you were a NASA fan you had NASA photos on the wall of your room what happened what happened to you that you you you're essentially you're known worldwide as the leading proponent of the Moon Hox Theory you're the guy who's researched it the most you're the guy who can Auto recall the most information and you're the guy that the people that believe the moonlanding was real hate the most so how this all happen well let me start by saying a comment about what you said Theory you know it's not a theory they did fake the moon landing that's a fact whether people realize it or not okay but we weren't there so let's just go on what we know in terms of facts and I'm going to call it a theory okay you're so Pol for fun I'm just trying to well I'm going to have to steal man some of the arguments against you you know obviously how I mean this is a fascinating but yet very challenging subject I think today more people are aware of the insanely widespread deception that the government was involved in during the same time as the moonlanding I think this is important and I know a lot of people um who uh get very angry when you question the moonlanding um they they use terms like patriotism they you ter national pride like we did this incredible thing the scientists that we have I understand what they're saying I understand where they're coming from entirely but we have to look at things realistically if we're ever going to get an accurate picture of how the world works and I think if we look at the time
that we're talking about the Nixon Administration we talk about the Gulf of tonan incident where they got us into Vietnam where there it was a [ __ ] false flag that wound up killing how many people was like a million people dead because of that 3 million people including 58,221 there's there's the Bay of Pigs there's all these things there's the Kennedy assassination itself which they still won't release the files there's the moon landing the moon landing and then there's Nixon getting Nixon removed from the White House which I didn't know was a giant government operation too Tucker Carlson laid that all out and I was like what and then I read a bunch about it what he's saying is totally true this one's the one that people hold on to the most because it's a source of national pride and it is also like the accomplishments of NASA the accomplishments of the scientific Community accomplishments of these people that are able to make things like the stealth bomber and all the wild [ __ ] that we know that is absolutely real the space shuttle SpaceX all of the amazing engineers and scientists it seems to a lot of people that by calling the moonlanding fake you're discounting that work you're discounting that amazing accomplishment from humans what I want people to do is is to say what did they tell the truth about if you if this is the one thing that you're willing to hang your hat on he said I know they lied about everything they lied about everything they they lied about MK Ultra they were dosing up John's and brothel with acid and monitoring them they they dosed up Charles Manson they probably trained him how to be a cult leader in prison the whole MK Ultra thing is 100% legit verified there's plenty of documents on it um they they experimented on people with acid they did mind control experiments on people what what did they tell the truth about what did they one they said you know what I know we're liars and we get people killed and we're you know funneling money here and there but what we can't lie about the moonlanding guys and everybody agreed and everybody agreed this one this one we're going to be this is just what it is is what it is
and we're going to give the scientific Community Access to all the data so everybody knows it's verified we're going to have third party people test everything to make sure it's verified well you brought up a bunch of good points um my opinion is really the opinion of the experts for example Robert Kennedy Jr is 100% certain he has more access to the JFK files than Oliver Stone does he's 100% certain that his uncle President Kennedy was killed by the CIA then as you mentioned the Gul of tonan Robert mcnamer before he died got it off his chest said that the Gul of tonin incident the Pearl Harbor incident that got America behind the Vietnam war never happened he and the CIA completely fabricated it Congress passed a law the Gulf of tonan resolution that led to the death of 3 million people and 58,221 220 of Their Own soldiers I don't think they have a problem faking an image of the moon on television the problem is it's a positive lie you see whoever killed JFK you're just changing who did it and why he's still dead is still a tragedy or 911 you can change who did it and why but all those people are still dead this is a positive lie and people don't want to give up that candy and I come along and say wake up and smell the manure some people are like well I know America has gotten bad but at least we went to the moon and people need to realize the sheer arrogance of the federal government to pull off the moonlanding fraud when there's virtually no eyewitnesses except three government employees and a picture we have to trust is on the moon from the federal government yeah so it was actually very easy to fake and in answer to your first question I was more than a supporter I was Gaga idolizing the moonlandings with my father in the Air Force and giving me a a packet of pictures of Apollo 11 and as I moved every two years from house to house there were a prominent place of Glory on every bedroom wall from City to City what changed well what changed is having an open mind and when but was there a moment yeah there well the first moment was I'm so from the age of I was asleep in bed when it happened but at age four I got those pictures saw them I mean even if I saw them once a day that's 3,650 times over the next 10 years
probably saw them three times a day so I see these pictures over 10,000 times believing they're on the moon and being thinking it's the greatest thing and then I'm 14 years old and I see Bill casing a former rocket dine employee who worked for NASA for six years on the Apollo program with high security clearance only to Von Brun who says look I edited a memo from Von Bron to the Pentagon warning them they are not going to make the goal there's only a one in 10,000 chance they can go to the moon on the first attempt what year was this that was back in 1966 I think and so three years later they went to the moon is it possible that they were able to overcome whatever challenges that get got him to 10,000 to one well no because I mean the there so we're going to go over many proofs yeah this is important but I mean I need to every step of the way well here's how you can prove that's not the case okay okay just do so the number one proof that we have is simply deductive reasoning because today with 5 fouryear better rocket designs and computer designs the farthest that NASA can send a rocket with an astronaut into space is 1,000th the distance to the Moon that's why they're sending mannequins to orbit the Moon that can't even land because they would die from the radiation so what they're really claiming is back in 1969 ahead of schedule on the first attempt when all of NASA's computers had one million to computing power of cell phone they sent astronauts a thousand times farther into space than they can send it today with 54e better technology so what they're really claiming is they had a thousand times better technology in 1969 than they do today not necessarily well but but that is because you can't have better technology in the past and in the future that's impossible but they haven't done a moonlanding program today so if they started a moonlanding program program today the technology is vastly superior right the the L time it would take less time to return to the moon but it's taking more time less right but they're not doing it right like during the AP because they can't do it okay that's what you're saying yeah and I'm I'm with you but but the Apollo program doesn't exist today the Apollo program was a massive program to try to beat Russia to get the first
person on the moon and it was a concerted effort by how many scientists how many people were involved how many employees how many like overall I mean very compartmentalized right but how many people overall were involved in the Apollo mood Landing well a couple hundred thousand okay that's a lot of people to organize and to Mo to to focus on one very specific goal that's not happening today so to say that we can't do it today it's like people would say if I was steel Manning their position I would say no we're not trying to do it today if we wanted to do it today we could do it today well actually they they are 4 100,000 it says at the peak Apollo program employed 400,000 people and required the support of over 20,000 industrial firms and universities so here's the the argument against that it would be fake everyone would know and everyone would tell and it would get out well that's let me show you how that's not true first of all Eugene cran flight director he said out of his own mouth that a person in the Command Center in Houston during a launch to the Moon can tell no difference whatsoever between a computer simulated flight and a real flight they can't tell the difference and just a bunch of numbers going by on a screen so if a person in the command center can not tell a difference and how could we as a 10-year-old watching in on our living room at home and then do you really think the CIA is so stupid to tell the person making the glove or the boot or the door handle hey we're really not going to the moon be sure not to tell anybody and then that's wouldn't be the question the question would be that too many people would have to know and it would get out no it wouldn't if if someone in the command center doesn't know then the command center people can be fooled once the rocket is up there's only three eyewitnesses to it it's actually much easier to fake than we realize a bank teller and how many bank tellers are at Wells Fargo hundreds of thousands 400,000 bank tellers probably but do they know what the CEO knows about corruption in the bank I don't think so you see there's a big difference and then we have no independent press coverage World War II had a billion or more eyewitnesses in Europe but there's no independent press coverage only three people it's much
easier to fake Than People realize and then people wanted to believe it I also want to put people in the mindset of humans that lived in 1969 with an incredibly limited access to information I think we' become incredibly spoiled by the internet and by the ability to search things and just read debunkings scientific papers all these different things that are available that you could read today that just were not available back then and you knew either what you learned at school or what the government or your employees told you your employers told you and that was it that's that's all you had access to so these people that were working for NASA to think that they had the kind of understanding of the way things are manipulated that we have today there there's no way they did there's no way they they didn't know about the Gulf of tonen then they didn't know about operation Northwoods they didn't know about so many things that we know that the government has done the Kennedy assassination hadn't happened yet or it happened but they they still didn't know who had done it you know that they had wrapped it up and said Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone without the zuder film without the subsequent investigations of it where people said wait a minute this is this guy like kept going back and forth to Russia Jack Ruby was in the mob like what what the [ __ ] really happened here to back in 1969 when the moonlandings were happening like this is an innocent country it was a different way people had a much different way of looking at things well the people were innocent but the government weren't they just killed their own president they just faked the beginning of the Vietnam War and they were emboldened to fake the moonlanding because they had complete control over the media and a public who wanted to believe it and even people at Nasa and Command Center couldn't tell a difference between the simulation and a real flight they also had a history of Faking things yeah they had a history of deception it was it was a part of the fabric of the organization they were deceiving people all the time they were deceiving United States citizens all all well and they still are that that's the thing about the moonlanding and why it's so significant I mean let's take a look at the two possibilities even though
they went to the moon on the first attempt ahead of schedule with one million to computing power cell phone but today they can only send astronauts 1 th000 the distance okay let's say they did that came back whoopy do or they lied to the world they lied to their own people they embezzled the modern equivalent of $200 billion they gave them Medals of Honor for being such good liars they printed it on stamps and coins it's taught in University if that's true which it is that's so much more profound an event than had they actually gone so one of the greatest events in human history is actually the faking of the moonlanding and we have to understand these people are still at large you don't say oh well there's a you know a child kidnapper in the neighborhood and one child disappears every month for the last 30 40 years oh well what can you do these people are in charge right now they did fake the moonlanding don't believe me go to cell.com watch 17 clips for free that prove it have you had any debates with people that think we definitely went to the Moon and what you're doing is dangerous and ridiculous well the most interesting comment I got is I showed all this proof to a college professor of a major university all this proof I mean like I said Shadows inter in at 90° which you can't duplicate in sunlight which means it's electrical light which means they didn't go to the Moon all this proof the footage we incover be there that doesn't mean they didn't go to the Moon that means that photograph is faked okay okay well why would the pictures be fake if they really went but in any case well you could no you could make the argument that the radiation damaged the cameras and they weren't able to get real photographs and so they made a conscious decision to use fake photographs well I think if you were really going to the Moon you wouldn't dare fake any of it to be accused of that I think they had uh a lot more hubris back then they they faked a lot of photographs back then it was pretty common um I mean you know the the famous one of the Gemini 15 where you see Michael Collins uh in a simulation where he's he's doing a drill and he's attached to wires and then they just used the same image and blacked it out and reversed it yeah so you're saying
NASA has a track record of Faking space flights before then yeah you're or publicity firms that work for NASA had a limited amount of photos to work with and they decided to manipulate some so that they could have photos that they didn't have of an actual event which really took place which was a space walk but what we have is them faking being halfway to the Moon right but they do do things like Space Walk they do do things like the Space Center so that's where it gets confusing well they can't they can't leave Earth orbit that's where it gets confusing so the the real problem the question is the Van Allen radiation belts now um operations starfish Prime that was the operation where they detonated a nuke in the radiation belts right didn't they do something like that something kooky they were trying to blow a hole through the radiation Bel I've heard that I don't know it's not confirmed I don't know yeah it's well it's Secret Squirrel stuff but what is operations Google that what is operations starfish Prime I remember reading that going they did what they shot a nuke into of space starfish Prime is a high altitude nuclear test conducted by the United States a joint of the atomic energy commission and the defense Atomic Support Agency it was launched from Johnson atal on July 9th 1962 as a largest nuclear test conducted in outer space and one of the five conducted by the US in space a Thor rocket carrying a w49 thermonuclear Warhead designed designed at Los Alamo scientific laboratory and a MK2 re-entry vehicle was launched from Johnston atal in the Pacific Ocean about 900 mil west southwest of why the explosion took place at an altitude of 250 Mi so is that essentially like where the space station is and all that stuff is that's right okay above a point 19 miles Southwest of Johnson atal at a yield of 1.4 megatons the explosion was about 10° above the Horizon as seen from Hawaii at 11: p.m. Hawaiian Time so what was the goal behind this or at least what was the publicly stated goal behind blowing up a [ __ ] Thermon nuke in space well I guess they were trying to see if they could open up the radiation in order to go to the Moon they knew that the radiation was this connected though was this program connected to NASA officially I I think they were trying to
see if they could open a w it not to go through it look what it says there starfish Prime and this always happens caused an electromagnetic pulse that was Far larger than expected so much larger that it drove much much of the instrumentation off scale causing great difficulty in getting accurate measurements the starfish Prime electromagnetic pulse also made those effects known to public by causing electrical damage in Hawaii about 900 miles away from the detonation Point knocking out about 300 street lights holy [ __ ] setting off numerous burglar alarms and damaging a telephone company micro link these boys were wild they just experimented with a [ __ ] nuclear bomb in space and it B blew out 300 street lights in Hawaii shut out men your burglar alarm goes off with the CU the [ __ ] government launched a nuke into space holy [ __ ] the EMP damage to the microwave link shut down telephone calls from Kawai to the other Hawaiian Islands a total of 27 small Rockets were launched from Johnson atal to obtain experimental data from the starfish Prime detonation in addition a larger number of Rocket born instruments were launched from Barking Sands Kawai in the Hawaiian Islands a large number of the United States military ships and aircrafts were operating in support of starfish Prime in the Johnson atal area and across the nearby North Pacific region a few military ships and aircrafts were also positioned in the region of South Pacific Ocean near Samoan Islands the location was at the southern end of the magnetic field line of the Earth's magnetic field from the position of the nuclear detonation uh detonation an area known as the southern conjecture region for the test so does it say why they were doing it though yeah I'm interested to see like why did you guys do that give me give me some sort of a logical explanation why you just took a [ __ ] chance and launched a nuke 250 miles into the sky okay what did they say they were doing okay they began a response to the Soviets announcement on August 3 30th of 1961 that they would end a three-year moratorium on testing began and resp right but why did they do it in space I understand that they they they might have did nuclear
tests back then because the moratorium was over aliens aliens killed the aliens with nukes that's probably why the aliens started showing up more well that's the all the folklore the folklore about uh fat man and little boy then when they dropped those bombs that's when the aliens started showing up like hey hey hey what are you doing which I would do if I was an alien that's around the time I would start Landing like as soon as they start dropping bombs on cities like Jesus Christ so we know they did that that's a real thing why they do it the speculation is that they were trying to open up a portal to make Passage through the Van Allen radiation belts possible now the people that say that it's easy to go through the van Island radiation belts will tell you that there it's a donut it's not a full it's not like covering the entire sphere of Earth evenly that there's openings at the top and the bottom is this correct well yeah but then they would have to launch at the North Pole or South Pole where it's not possible to launch because of the temperatures that's the only way you could do it to get through those holes that's right according to NASA's own flight plan they went directly through the center that's why they launched in Southern Florida to be close to the equator okay so what they would say is that it's not that dangerous and it's just like being exposed to a few X-rays and uh that the people were shielded well go to cell.com and watch the latest C but you're right there so I want to I just want saying what they would say to you the the clip there is of Kelly Smith he's an employee at Nasa explaining something that most people don't know which is above the Earth starting at about a th000 miles and extending about 30,000 miles is a huge band of radiation that astronauts would have to go through to the moon and through again back first he says it's dangerous meaning deadly and then he says that the technology for an astronaut to go through it to the Moon in back and survive has yet to be invented let's listen to him say that and when did he say this I think he said that in 2014 okay all right Jamie will'll find that we'll pull that up um but that would be the argument against the moonlanding be HX
let's go navigation and guidance for Orion we are headed 3,600 m above Earth 15 times higher from the planet than the International Space [Applause] Station as we get further away from Earth we'll pass through the Van Allen belts an area of dangerous radiation radiation like this could harm the guidance systems onboard computers or other electronics on Orion naturally we have to pass through this danger zone twice once up and once back [Music] we must solve these challenges before we send people through this region of space we must solve these challenges before we send people through this region in space we must solve these challenges before we send okay did you just say that over and over again yeah what he said a Ryan though you see his name he said it was for Orion you think he was talking about a different time period he said you would have to solve it for when Orion was traveling when was Orion well he says You must solve these challenges before we send people right but through talking what was he talking about though he's talking he's talking about sending people beyond Earth orbit through the radiation belt and he says that video from what's that what's this video from yeah what is it when was he he said 2014 he was talking about this and what was this the Orion Project was to have a step toward going to the moon what year was this was I think he said that in 2014 so the the Orion Project was a new uh project to go to the moon in 2014 just not as focused as correct they were using part of that spacecraft on the Artemis Mission when they sent mannequins through the radiation belt he says we must first solve these challenges of radiation protection before we send people through this region of space meaning the technology to send an astronaut through the radiation and survive has not been invent not exactly what he was saying I see where you're going with this but what he did say that was it was dangerous radiation you wrote deadly in all capital letters uh but what he was just saying it was dangerous and he was specifically talking about instrumentation he didn't say dangerous in terms of like to people right because
that would be more of a clue that they didn't go to the moon so he didn't mention that it would be a thing that you would go but hey how did they do it and then they get it would you would open up a can of worms right he says we must solve these challenges of protecting the astronauts before we send people right through this region of space meaning people cannot go through it until the radiation shielding is developed and it has not yet been developed a way to send astronauts through it and survive in 2014 so if it's not been invented in 2014 yet then it wasn't invented in in 1969 well and I think another thing is important to say that if you're saying that radiation is dangerous to instrumentation it's going to be dangerous to bodies even if you but I'm saying even if you don't say that even if you're not he did say people before he could send people but he could you could say imply I'm not saying this is true but by what he's saying that what he's saying is instrumentation would be damaged and that would be dangerous well and he also included people before we sent people through this region space but but it could be because they would lose their instrumentation you could interpret that I'm just trying to be as generous as possible you're overly generous I'm trying to be so what is this this is from Reddit that someone says this is the full context of what he says in that okay here it is my name is Kelly Smith and I work on navigation and guidance for Orion before we can send astronauts into space on Orion we have to test all the systems there only one way to know if we got it right fly it into space for oran's First Flight no astronauts will be aboard the spacecraft is loaded with sensors to record and measure all aspects of the flight in every detail we're headed 3,600 Mi above Earth 15 times higher from the planet than the International Space Station as we get further away from Earth will pass through the Van Allen belts an Ang an area of dangerous radiation radiation like this can harm the guidance system systems onboard computers or other electronics on Orion naturally we have to pass through this danger zone twice once up and once back but Orion has protection shielding will be put to the test as the vehicle cuts through the
waves of radiation sensors aboard will record radiation levels for scientists to study we must solve these challenges before we send people through this region of space so the challenges have not been solved in 2014 so how could they have been solved in 1969 the thing is even if they did solve it back then if what how did they do it this is the question so this is what we know about the spaceship the what we know about the Apollo 11 what we know about the shielding that it had they had 1/8 of an inch of aluminum now when you get a a dental x-ray they use one4 in lead and so that's for 12 fourth of a second they would be in that for an hour to an hour and a half going to the moon and an hour to an hour and a half coming back so what would that be the equivalent to roughly in terms of like x-rays it would be 100 times more than a lethal dose according to their own reports which are documented at sell.com all for free you go on there and watch the videos and read the documentation okay and to be clear and to be clear how many people have gone through that supposedly well was the first ones the first one there was an orbit of the moon a Mann orbit of the moon before there was a land yeah there were allegedly 24 people who have allegedly gone through it to the moon and back but the footage we uncovered shows them faking being halfway to the Moon from Earth orbit so it proves that they could not even go halfway to the Moon because they're faking being halfway to the Moon well whatever that footage was though in all fairness that footage wasn't released right that footage was found footage correct that was outtakes of them faking being halfway to the Moon which even my greatest critic agrees that is them faking being halfway to the moon and they're doing it from Earth orbit and it's dated two days into the flight where they're supposed to halfway to the Moon we'll show the video but if I was going to steal man it what I would say is if I'm training these guys to film things and they're training all day long to do a bunch of different things one of the things I would do is to train them how to film the Earth from the Moon and to stimulate or to simulate that I would say what you can do is black out all the light when you're in low earth orbit focus on one of those circular
Windows put the transparency or whatever it is in front of the window and practice that way so that way we make sure you get it right except it's dated two days and 3 days into the flight when they're supposed to be halfway to the Moon damn my steel man's not working yeah okay so let's you're really bad I'm just trying I'm just giving you have to though right don't you think I have to no you don't and here's why because we've heard their side of the story for 54 Years everybody hasn't this is where you're wrong no their side of the story we've heard that the moonlandings are real for 54 years we've heard you've heard that but they don't need extra time truth people today that are in the scientific community that believe the moon landing is real so you have to approach it from the perspective of how they're going to debunk your debunk okay well let me tell you something else about the radiation let's look at the footage first cuz I think just we're beaten around the bush the footage is so shocking that you immediately go okay what is this like what is this I just want to know what what logically could this be the only thing that I could think of that was logically would be that they were practicing I'm asking though is this the video I'm should should be showing here or not yeah mhm oh this so this is one when you compare back and forth right correct I mean there's there's more of just the actual video that we can watch well there you could go to uh sell.com click on a Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the moon or go to the moonman video links at sell.com and pull this up Smoking Gun I just gave you the time cues on the most significant part where you could do the side by-side comparison and the side by-side comparison is for well on the left Neil Armstrong claims this is 130,000 Mi out he claims that the camera lens is at the glass and that's the Earth floating in space what's on the right hand side are the outakes that we got an unedited reel of the special effect shot by accident and the lights come up and you see okay so this is the exact same size image roughly the same distance they were really out on the left he claims and this is the part they showed to the public that that's the Earth floating in space halfway to the Moon looking back
okay and then on the right is the out takes where the lights come up and you see that the camera is really at the back of the spacecraft and that's part of the earth outside of a circular window with a little crescent piece molded in front of it and that's the take on the left- hand side you're about to see Michael Collin's breakdown part of the uh so this is where effect this is what I want everybody to look at cuz this is where okay hold on a second this is where it gets really weird so they're saying they're 130,000 miles away so they're in deep space it's the window you see that so now there's people standing in front of the you we used to think that we're looking out into space at the Earth but now we realize there's people standing in front of it so there's other stuff going on so something there there's you're filming a room and then that's really the window that's an arm yeah that's an arm getting in front of the window that's an outtake they never showed because it shows that it's a fake shot okay do you think that that is just a piece of the Earth in a circular window or do you think they put something over the window to represent the Earth uh another photographer believes it's part it's like a transparency of there's the circular window let let this play out let's let this play out so if see so that's the window the point is it's the window back it up a little bit they're using the window to create a one foot model of the Earth they're and they're using the darkness of the cabin by blocking out all the windows it makes in space exactly it makes it look like the Earth is floating in space so we have them faking being halfway to the Moon which means they cannot go halfway to the moon and here we are 54 years later and they still cannot go halfway to the Moon that's why there's mannequins orbiting the moon they said in 2014 in 2018 they would have people orbiting the moon they were 100% behind schedule yeah but that's politicians they they lie about everything and they might have had Grand plans and didn't get the funding but this is shocking weird stuff because it's hard to explain it's hard to come up with a rational explanation of what this could be because if they being halfway to the Moon that's what it is and they but we should play the audio so
they tell and they say in the audio we're 100,000 130,000 miles away correct right and then they also say which is which is another lie that there's only one window that faces the Earth and it's filled up with the TV Camera meaning right the lens would have to be right up against the window to see that but the camera's really at the back of the spacecraft with all the lights off you're seeing part of the earth outside of the window it's very ingenious let's play that so we can hear the words we can hear them say that because it's even more interesting so if you see the footage and then you hear the words you go what what could they possibly be doing here go to the Moon if they're faking being this is you video where can we find the raw video the raw video is in a Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the moon go to sell.com it's on the homepage that's his YouTube channel yeah that's not my my film that's another is this not the video no that's no go to sell.com he's got links up there um let me add one thing about the radiation so after Kelly Smith put his foot in his mouth I called up NASA I said I'm a journalist can I talk to the guy no we don't allow them to talk to reporters anymore I said well you sent up two Geer counters on a civilian Mission with tax dollars to specifically measure the radiation and the radiation belt which they should have had 50 years ago anyway right and then I said can I please have those radiation readings and then they said this Joe they said it's a classified military secret I said oh wait a minute when you sent probes to the Sun to measure the temperature of the Sun the temperature of the sun is in a military secret when you sent probes to Jupiter to find out how much helium is in Jupiter's atmosphere the amount of helium isn't a military secret so why would the amount of radiation surrounding the earth Earth and the radiation belt that most people don't know about why would that amount of radiation be a secret because if they reveal it it would prove that they couldn't go through it to the moon or um we spent a lot of money to get that data and that data is very important if if there's manned Warfare in space like we have a space force now there's a anticipation that we could live in a future where
there's space wars right this is a real thought this space program is real the you know this this space force is a real organization if you've acquired yeah it really is I have a t-shirt Tim Dy gave to oh that must prove that it's real a t-shirt it's real do I have a t-shirt an actual t-shirt but no there is a space force I think it was Trump's idea right yeah Trump started a space force which is awesome um anyway that's data you wouldn't want Russia to have like so if the Van Allen radiation belts if there's a way to get through them because you know exactly how much radiation it is and you know that you need this amount of shielding you don't want Russia to know that you don't you want them to do spend your own money [ __ ] you can't have our [ __ ] data that's what I would say I would say that's an American secret that's National Security in that regard right because if if they're if we're going to be doing space wars they're going to be flying around through but they don't know how to get through the radiation belts but we do then they're going to rely on Espionage they're they sent probes to the moon so they would probably have Geer counters on there right but as they would know the ration readings but they sent probes to the Moon a long time ago as time goes on the instrumentation is far more efficient it's much better more accurate so the stuff that they could the data they could get now we would both agree right would be way better data than you got in 1963 that's the argument people are making about now is that the instrumentation now is more susceptible than it was then because of transistors are smaller and makes sense more suceptible molecu getting in there yeah it's it's more complex uh you can start the clip if you want exactly that make sense about the radiation belts when they were talking about instrumentation start at 34 my point is my point is are don't we recognize that the amount of instrumentation that would be dangerous to radiation would also be dangerous to biological human beings well of course that's why there's mannequins orbiting the Moon instead of people that's why you have to wear a lead Shield when you get an x-ray and that's why if you've ever seen those horrific images of people that used to test x-ray machines
back in the day when they would first started using x-ray machines in doctor's offices the the technician would put his hand under it and x-ray it and they didn't know that you were [ __ ] your hand up really bad this guy they had horrible Cancer all over their hands and that's from 124th of a second not something that's 100 times more lethal going on continuously for 90 minutes the point is regardless of whether or not it is dangerous to the instrumentation and that was their primary concern which could be accurate especially since the first one was unmanned it's Al that kind of radiation is probably bad for people it's not unless you're the Fantastic Four right you go through it and you get superpowers right isn't that what happened to them well yeah I mean let's get back to the technology issue I mean when they first exploded the first atomic bomb 1945 just 10 years later atomic bombs were 1,000 times more powerful so if they could go to the moon on the first attempt with 1 millionth to computing power cell phone we would have been on Mars 10 years later we'd be in another solar system by now and there would be bases all over the moon it's the only interesting one of the one of the facts that there's no other technology from 1969 that's not easier cheaper and faster to reproduce today except going to the Moon except because it was a bluff like in poker okay so let's play the video where you get to hear the audio so the audio is really strange so this audio is uh this is Buzz Aldren Neil Armstrong and Michael Collins in the the spacecraft and they are supposedly 130,000 M away and they're talking to NASA yeah let me describe it a little bit before you hit play so basically if they are which they are not halfway to the Moon they estimated with radio delay and going through the analog computers it would be 2 seconds out for them to hear the transmission in 2 seconds back so this particular reel we uncovered the unedited reel of the special effect shot of them faking being halfway to the Moon there's a third track of audio who I believe is the CIA so first you'll hear why do you believe it's a CIA well it's it's whoever is helping them fake the moon mission and you think it was a CIA I would I would presume it would be okay and so NASA says the TV picture looks
great the person who he has an earpiece in counts off four seconds thousand And1 2 3 4 then we hear a third track of audio not NASA not the astronauts which has this kind of walkie-talkie you know radio type of sound he says talk and then Neil Armstrong speaks they're creating a fake 4sec radio delay to make it appear they're beyond Earth orbit which they are really not okay let's play it an allen radiation belts understand too that only about 20 seconds of this raw footage was ever broadcast to the public and these conversations discussing their deception were believed to be private until now here they discussed that these television Transmissions were in fact not broadcast live as everyone believed they were first screened and edited for playback later right we just wanted a nity such a weend when we get to playback we can sort of correlate what we were seeing thank you very much here they discuss the fact that they have turned out the lights and have blocked out sunlight from entering the spacecraft through the other windows as to not cause any reflected light to so that's really the window of the spacecraft let it talk we shut out the sun coming in some of the other window the spacecraft so it's looking through a uh a number one window and there isn't any reflected light the reason this was done is so that the truth of the matter would not be revealed it is this though the federal government would have you believe that this is a view of Earth from a distance out of the spacecraft's window as it nears the Moon it is not what they have ingeniously done is placed the camera at the back of the spacecraft and centered the lens on a circular window in the foreground outside of which it is completely filled with the Earth in low orbit the circumference of the window then appears to be the diameter of the earth at a distance with the darkened walls of the spacecraft appearing to be the Blackness of space around it that is why they wanted the interior dark and blocked out the Sun from entering through the other windows here you can see the extruded window probably 2 Ines thick at the bottom this is because the Earth shine
is coming in at a downward angle it also causes the Earth to appear to be an irregularly shaped Circle for you are seeing the outside of the window at the bottom and the inside of the window at the top which together form two different sized halves of a circle subsequently this tap was never used as they perfected the shot a crescent-shaped piece of black material was inset slightly into the window to create the illusion of the Earth's Terminator line dividing night and day it is uncannily convincing during this segment intended to be edited and played back later for the worldwide television audience dated July 18th 1969 Neil Armstrong condemns himself as he states that he is 130,000 M out or halfway to the Moon as the NASA flight log also States on this date when he is in reality in low earth orbit of a few hundred miles 11 calling in from about 13,000 M out here during another segment also intended to air after review Neil Armstrong falsely explains to the viewers how the shot is attended by putting the camera's lens to the window's glass as it would have to be if they were the claimed distance away from the earth and we only have one window that uh has a view of the earth and it's filled up with a TV Camera if the window was completely filled up with a TV camera as he stated then an astronaut's arm would not be able to get between the camera and the window as it obviously does here in this uptake South America becomes invisible just off Beyond The Terminator or inside the shadow you can also notice how the astronaut operating the camera reacted to the mistake by attempting to pan away from it see white major cloud formations across the Earth and you see this is a segment that they believed wasn't even being recorded keep going much less suitable for broadcast for the lens was being zoomed out and the scene was being changed to that of an interior of the astronauts at work and apparently the stop button popped back up on the recorder without notice here is the diffused work light that they used to see camera controls
but not throw light onto the spacecraft's wall here they remove part of the Crescent insert [Music] finally the iris is opened up and you can see the real location of the camera and the very bright and near Earth out the window here is the Slate for the 19th of [Music] July okay so here here's what I would say if I was trying to counter what you're saying all right the Earth at 130,000 Mi out is halfway to the Moon the Moon is one4 the size eyes of Earth the moon uh on a full moon is fairly bright I mean you could walk around outside in the dark I mean it's pretty amazing how bright it is when it's a full moon imagine that four times greater and twice as close so the Earth which has blue reflective light because of the oceans and it's it's it it's glorious it glows in the sky you would imagine that if you were filming Earth from 130,000 Mi out you would have to blacken the insides of the walls and you would you probably couldn't get the camera any closer to that window in reality even by saying it's in front of the window it's covering the window you're talking I mean it probably doesn't even fit any closer than that with all the instrumentation if you were filming it specifically to try to get an image of the earth and what it looked like at 13,000 miles out would it even look that small I don't think it would it would probably look a lot larger so if there's shooting it through this window and the light is probably pretty intense it might be the only way to film the Earth with the kind of cameras that they had back then would be to do it that way to block out everything in the room and to film through that circular window as close as they can get that camera to and it's just shitty footage of something that they eventually figured out how to do right so that it wasn't deception well the camera's at the back of the spacecraft and that's the circular window and it's filled with the Earth right if they were halfway to the moon and and the Earth was at the window the Earth would be a tiny dot it wouldn't be window no wouldn't but stop it wouldn't be that small cuz the moon's not that small you you got to think
about how big the Moon is okay and the Moon is one quar the size of Earth think about how close the Moon is so the Moon is a big ass [ __ ] thing right so let me ask you this Joe do you think the moonlandings are real or not I'm not saying that what I'm saying wait minute I just want to know what you think what do you think I'm going to go at this and I'm just going to try to ask the most logical questions to refute what you're saying without giving an opinion I'll give you an opinion eventually but this right now is if you were going to film the the the Earth from 130,000 miles out and the Earth is four times larger than the moon and you're halfway to the Moon I would imagine it would fill up that window you wouldn't you even it the difference between that and low earth orbit I'm sure there's a difference but I still think from that small wind it might be the whole window filled with Earth that might be what you get well that's not the opinion of myself as a filmmaker and three other filmmakers who for a living our job is to make fake scenes look real uhuh and so we all conclude that that's the window that they have made a mockup of a one foot model to pretend but is there an image of that mockup I never saw a mockup I didn't there's all well you saw them fiddle around in the window you definitely see them fiddle around and the camera they lied about the camera being up against the glass the camera is obviously at the back of the space to create that they said the C they said the window is filled with the camera that's what they said but it's not it's at the very back of the spacecraft the lights come up on the part they didn't intend on showing and the camera has been at the back of the spacecraft all the time right they they had to lie if they really were halfway to the moon the only way they could film this shot would be to put the lens at the glass of the window window but it's a fake shot and part of the faking is the cameras is really at the back of the spacecraft all the lights are off part of the earth is outside of a circular window and it looks cleverly like the Earth floating in space but that's really the window from Earth orbit question Jamie go ahead uh that you in the video it says that this line here which like the Terminator line correct
mhm yeah created with tape no like a transparency or something that that's like I don't know some sort of Crescent insert they put into the window to make it look like the Terminator line between a night and day I think it looks very good video said tape multiple times and then said they removed the tape could have been a transparency I suppose but that line is very um that's a very nice gradient which was what it would look like if it was like the sunset not not um tape or well it's less clear right it's less clear than like the top end and like if it was a transparency sitting on the on a glass or something that line would be moving it would have to be hard set well I mean just go just go back to the segment with a little yellow circle around the window and you can see they're fiddling around with the window breaking down the model Jamie they only showed 20 seconds no no I know I was say if that's what I thought it was I would why not just create create recreate the fake scene I guess with you know a giant picture of the earth outside of well I think the point is that they had to represent the Terminator line because of where they were in orbit so if they're flying away from Earth and they're going towards the moon at a very specific time you'd be able to know like where you know what part of the Earth was dark at what point in the flight right I would think so I mean they they had to have known they they knew the cations with the public yeah but I mean they would do it the right way if they're going to not necessarily they made lots of mistakes yeah okay so yeah well this one's a weird one and to to me this is like the the only thing that I could say if I was going to steal man would be what I said was that maybe his he misspoke by saying it's it covering the window what maybe what he meant was that the camera was pointed at the window it was covering the window and if you're going to film something that's incredibly bright that's coming into a bright environment it's going to be obscured by all the light you know that right so the way to film it correctly would be to adjust the aperture correctly darken the room and then point towards that window and you would be saying that the camera is covering the window cuz it is covering the window that's what it's
covering when you're filming something you're covering something so you're it's covering the window it's looking out the window window you blacked out the cabin so that you could actually see what's bright coming out of that window which is incredibly bright because it's four times bigger than the moon and twice as close because they're halfway there well the shot where Neil Armstrong lies and says he's 130,000 miles out we see a little blue Earth with a bunch of black space around it right but that's not the Earth floating in space that's the circular window of the spacecraft that has part of the earth outside of it that's what it is the lights come up and you see that's what it is for sure if you're saying that Blackness is space that's deceptive but well that's what they are saying but it doesn't mean they weren't 130,000 miles out well why would they fake being 100, 30,000 miles out if they were really 130,000 mil if they had a policy of deception in terms of imagry which it seems that they did even though they did that I'm just steelmanning that it doesn't necessarily mean that the whole thing was fake right well if I I was trying to understand so it's not that they're 130,000 mies outut it's that they're in space faking the shot yes they're in faking being which is why it's so bright the reason why it's so bright is cuz they're just like the space station that doesn't I don't know I just I'm I'm getting more confused on all these pieces because like I thought that they didn't even go to space no no no no no no no nobody thinks that nobody thinks that they go to Space Jam you need to catch the [ __ ] up on Reddit well look at this part here makes sense to me to begin with keep playing this part Jamie and you'll see that this is the window here's the work light inside of the spacecraft either that or it's a giant UFO right no it's definitely it's obviously a work light okay and then here is Michael Collins breaking down part of the special effect shot using the window you're going to see them dis just but let's be honest about what we're seeing what we're seeing is motion in front of the window that's right that's the that's the window of the spacecraft not the Earth floating in space like they claimed a minute earlier true which means they're faking being but I have to stop you you're saying
like make the transparency all these different things you're saying there's no evidence of that you just see movement in front of it I I understand your assumption but there's no evidence of a transparency well it's not an assumption it it's that you see him moving you see just Dark Shadows let's see it one more time you see Dark Shadows moving that's the window of the spacecraft 100% I'm agreeing with you that some stop there if that's the window of the spacecraft then that's not the Earth floating in space they claim which means they're faking being halfway to the Moon necessar which they would never do if they really went halfway to the Moon necessarily it could mean that so they went halfway to the moon but they faked it anyway they're faking this footage because this is the best footage they can get with the equipment they have looking through that window and they they came to a conclusion the best way to do it is to back the camera up block everything out and just film that circular window and that's the Earth and that's the only thing and we'll pretend that it's the Earth with space but we really can't get that because the positioning of the camera the the the amount of room if you look as the thing goes bright this is my question to you I think this is compelling and it's bizarre but when you say they remove the transparency well there's no transparency you don't see it you're literally just seeing black figures in motion now in clarity now you see Clarity so now you see the amount of distance very small space they're working in amount of distance where the the circular window is where the Earth is and then where the camera is so the camera is is still just a few feet from the window it's not like it's in a a giant room it's just a few feet from the window spacecraft coupled together so it's quite deep right but it's still it's still not that big where they are but where they are to 10 ft away from the window that's pretty small this this whole room is pretty small right it's basically smaller than here to the where the our screen is that we're looking at but the point is it's not the Earth floating in space it's the window it's definitely not made up to look like the Earth floating in space blacked out environment if they're trying to pretend
that that's space that's deception exactly it still doesn't mean that they're not one one thing at a time so we've concluded they are faking being halfway to the mo no no no that's not we concluded we concluded that they are faking that the Blackness around that image of the Earth is space that's all we're confirming I that's why I'm confused but hold on Jamie hold on Jamie so we're we're we're confirming that they definitely were if they were saying that that Blackness which is clearly the inside of the cockpit right clearly if they're saying that that Blackness is space and that circular image is the earth looking at the Earth through space that's clearly deception okay Boll 11 is being deceptive with their photography why would they do that if they really went to the moon okay the Steelman I I know this is annoying to people me Steelman means Devil's African is that what you're saying yeah yeah yeah I'm I'm I'm taking the other side's position because it's interesting to see how how it lines up you would say this they wanted good footage they couldn't get good footage any other way they couldn't get through where the camera is and how big the camera is how small the window is the amount of space they're working with they couldn't get real clear footage of the Earth in space in the distance so they decided to film it this way film it through that circular window we'll black out everything it'll look like space but you will see the Earth from where we are which is 130,000 mph you know there's a coming out in July and I don't know I've only seen the trailer but they talk about shooting a fake moonlanding as a backup now they don't care why you believe the moonlandings are real as long as you do if you believe they're communing with aliens with a secret crew or Neil Armstrong does it they don't care this the same thing if they really went to the moon they wouldn't have to fake any of it because they showed so little of the mission anyway to the moon it's they wouldn't dare they would dare fake they wouldn't dare fake any of it because there were people at the time already saying it was fake they wouldn't dare fake any of it if it was real even during the landing they showed computer animation and then all of a sudden you see that black and
white would dare fake it if it was real see this is where we disagree because I think if it's very difficult to go there it's even more difficult to go there and document it right and specifically when you're talking about camera equipment if you take camera equipment the old old school film and you run it through old school radar detectors at the airport those metal detectors it [ __ ] up your camera equipment right doesn't it [ __ ] up your film well but doesn't it isn't that correct it wasn't difficult for them to go to the Moon they they went six times in three years they drove cars on the moon play golf on the moon that's what I'm saying and yet for some reason today they can only send mannequins to orbit the Moon listen we're in agreement on this this is not what I'm saying what I'm saying is what you could say is that the real Pro maybe they went and they faked the footage and the reason they faked the footage because the footage got all [ __ ] up because they went through radiation I'm sure they would love the public to believe that because many filmmakers like myself agree that the footage is fake so how can we possibly trick the public into thinking the moonlandings are real even though the pictures are fake why don't we create a feature film saying well we just only did it as backup and some of that footage got got leaked into the real footage they showed so little real footage to begin with why didn't they just have a camera on the side of the rocket showing live pictures during The Descent instead of a little Atari computer animation and then suddenly a picture of them stable and coming out of the out of the spacecraft because they faked it as you know from my book we have an eyewitness who saw them film Apollo 11 at Canon air force base June 1st 2nd and 3rd 1968 and yeah but I have eyewitnessed that were raped by Bigfoot you could find those well you know what I'm saying like if it wasn't if the guy wasn't here if the guy wasn't here his son cooperates it and we have a video of that we can show the the point is and it's not even in my book okay the first thing the guy says as he's dying about to meet his maker fearing not being on the right side of judgment is that he's a murderer he killed somebody his son
who you can go to sell.com watch his son's testimony who saw his father's deathbed confession he said who did you kill he said I killed a coworker at Canon air force base where he was the chief of security the military police came in and they interrogated him as he's dying wanted to notify the relatives of the person who he killed who did you kill such and such a person a fellow employee at Canon air force base in 1968 why did you kill him we both eyewitnessed the filming of the fake moonlanding July uh sorry June 1st 2nd and 3rd of 1968 my friend thought it was morally wrong he was going to tell a reporter and I killed him to cover it up his son confirmed he was chief of security at Canon air force base he lived right across the street from it he Stood Beside President Johnson who was there for the first of 3 days of filming he gave him a list of 15 people that were there who were allowed in the VIP entrance to eyewitness it Neil Armstrong's on the list balron is on the list and several people I never heard of we got that list we publish it in my book and this is this is real his son after telling me this information and confirming it his house was broken into a few days later everything about his father was confiscated days after that two agent show up from the government this is less than two years ago threatened to kill him and his family if he ever talks to me again about his father's participation in the moonlanding fraud the White House was involved in investigating this the FBI was and the United States Senate intelligence committee investigated this and that man and those reports are sealed because it's a great embarrassment to the federal government that they did actually fake the moonlanding I was the biggest fan if I can go from being the biggest fan to having to accept the sad fact that our government is that arrogant and not only that I interviewed the Widow of Gus Grom who was going to be the first man to walk on the moon now we should explain one of the things that Gus Grom did that got people very angry he hung a lemon that's right yeah explain that well basically he was he was totally confused how they could possibly think they're going to the Moon in two years he
thought it was at least 10 years away and and still we can't even go now right because of the radiation and he was preparing reports to give to Congress and the Senate that his wife told me were confiscated from his house by CI agents before they even informed her that he was dead which he had died a few minutes earlier she told me I interviewed her for four hours this is the man who is going to be the first man to walk on the moon and he was the most beloved of the press Corps and he was so frustrated he kept complaining up the chain of command they wouldn't fix anything because the higher-ups knew they weren't going to go and hadn't committed yet to faking it and therefore hadn't told the astronauts yet and that's why they weren't fixing anything this your belief well that's you know her her conclusion as well right and in his Fury without permission he held the press conference he invited in a bunch of reporters to the top of the rocket where he affixed the lemon the size of a grapefruit on a coat hanger he said this thing is a lemon a piece of junk made the evening news and a few days later he dies his wife told me that on January 26 1967 he came home from work and said the following hun for some strange reason the CIA is all over the Launchpad today I wonder why they're here inspecting the equipment never seen him here before he's dead the very next day from faulty equipment his widow told me he was murdered by the CIA the man who was going to be the first man to walk on his Moon his son 747 pilot said the same thing who I interviewed for three hours that his father was murdered by the CIA so it's one thing if they fake the moon landing and didn't kill anybody maybe I'll confess my devious nature I kind of you know admire their Ingenuity you know like the people who tunnel from the dry cleaner into the bank but not if you kill three guards slit their throat who have wives and children and the First with with three guards well I'm just saying for example you know if they if they fak the moon landing and didn't kill anybody that's one thing but that's not the case you see and I know the type of person you are and the type of guess you have on your show we're true Patriots and Patriots have to face facts that when people take an oath to this
country it's to protect it against all enemies foreign and domestic they always want misdirection the Boogey Man to be in some other country where the biggest traitors to our country are Americans and high office right that's what's going on and the first document of our country isn't the Constitution it's the Declaration of Independence where it says when any government becomes destructive of life liberty and the pursuit of happiness it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it where according to Betty Grom they took away his life they take a third of our income they deceive us through a moonlanding and then they use that money to pay the salaries of the C agents who killed Gus Grom and two let's go to Gus gom's death so Gus Gom died in an accident right he died in a fire correct his his wife says that fire was set intentionally I understand that she I understand and I understand that why she would believe that that makes sense well if if if her husband says C agents or messing around with the equipment the day before and he's dead the next day from faulty equipment the CIA killed him it's a pretty obvious conclusion that's it could possibly be that definitely but also when you're launching Rockets a lot of people die they weren't launching anything it was just a ground trest of pressing buttons and they found that they pressurized that Space Capsule with 100% oxygen where steel will become flammable they revers the door the day before so that it opened inwardly instead of outwardly took an extra 5 or 10 minutes to open up and then they found a pile of oily Rags under his seat so that they would do a spark and then I got the Apollo one report we bought it for $10,000 from Roger chaffy Widow from his estate and there was a dip in power right before the fire because the CIA had clamp something clamped in there to start the fire they ignited it it caused a dip in power and then the fire began so where is this evidence that there was a dip in power well it's in the Apollo one report that there was a dip in power they had right before the fire because something was tapped into there that the CIA rigged the previous day and that's what killed them is there a logical explanation for why they reverse the doors yeah so they would make sure not
be able to get out it would take more time to get out sure they would kill but is there a logical explanation in terms of an improvement design they were just testing something new right that's their EX use right um and the fire what was the official explanation for how the fire was started just faulty wiring and what was the evidence that the oxygen had been increased in the environment well that's a fact they they knew not to do that that it had caused fatalities where did you hear this fact well she told me and it's in the Apollo 1 report which I so in the in the Apollo one report it says they increased the oxygen by how much well they did 100% oxygen in the cabin and did they say why they was just testing it something to test an experiment right and so that then a fire ignites that's right they rigged they rigged it with the oily Rags under there with reversing they did everything they could to make sure those guys burned alive to get rid of the guy because Gus gum had they asked him to fake the moonlanding he would have said no way and then he would have gone to the reporters okay the same reason my source Cyrus Eugene acre killed his coworker because his coworker witnessed Apollo 11 being filmed at Canon air force base in 1968 said this is wrong for the government to do this and was going to tell a reporter and he was killed for the very same reason yeah I'm I would love to see the video of that if there was a video of it it'd be interesting yeah there's a video of his son talking about this you have it cute up their people get old and when they get old they they say crazy things I it's that crazy to say I'm a he we we verified he was the chief of security I don't know what his mental state was when he was dying I don't know if he had dementia I don't know you know what I'm saying like people could but I'm not saying sure you didn't work for O.J Simpson's defense team I'm not saying it didn't happen I'm saying that some old people particular first of all memories are terrible most people's memories are a just said that earlier you forgot that memories are terrible yeah yeah you just said it a second ago yeah some most people's memory is not that good and then if you're really old and you're mentally compromised and maybe maybe you
have full-blown dementia and maybe you imagine things that's also possible I mean that's an odd thing confession K somebody to cover up the moonlanding fraud I know what are the odds of that being dementia not very good but also possible when people have dementia they they think they're secret agents they don't know what the [ __ ] is going on they don't know their name they don't know their kids they when people are dying and they're dying you know usually there's a lot of stuff going on it's not just of details fascinating yeah and could be what we hope it is which is deathbed confession like uh didn't e Howard hunt have a deathbed confession about the JFK assassination well one of the videos if you have it queued up Jamie is his son giving his deathbed confession right as he's dying of cancer of what he saw his father say he says I lived right across from Canon air force base my father was chief of security he shows us a picture of his badge and his uniform he was there yeah and and and what Bill casing said I had to look up my from my own Library Bill casing said the whole moonlanding falsification was supervised by the United States Air Force well my dad was in the Air Force I never heard of Canon air force base it's tiny fewer eyewitnesses and then every Department of the military has their special ops Intelligence Division headquarters it's headquartered at Canon air force base and so that's where it was filmed and I even confirmed that several people were there including a gentleman by the name of Robert Emer never heard of the guy a science fiction writer who who promotes UFOs which is another reason to doubt UFOs because the same guy who says UFOs are real been his whole life saying the moonlandings are real you see that same thing with the astronaut Steven Greer's number one source that UFOs are real and I have a book coming out about this as well at my website he says his number one source that UFOs are has the Apollo astronaut said so you see that and which one Edgar Mitchell well yeah Edgar Mitchell among many others let's let's come back to that I got to take a leak let's come back to that and this is great I appreciate you thank you for coming here this has been a lot of fun and I hope you don't mind me being annoying but I have to to like to cover
this and we'll get into more you don't have to I do I do no you don't this is the right way to do it trust me trust me okay we'll take a leak we'll be right back so um we were at Gus risham died in a fire there's another guy who NASA had hired to make a report and he had this 500 page report it I think it was like 500 pages about how bad how badly managed mismanaged the whole Apollo program was and that he saw so many flaws in it that he thought he was never going to get off the ground and then Thomas bar yes Tom Ronald Thomas Baron correct and he died on train tracks that's right that was uh kind of uh with his family I CIA hits kind of go through fads and there was a big fad period where a lot of people's cars stalled at train crossings I think back then this was before DNA evidence and it would get rid of the forensic evidence that's also how they killed those kids in mea Arkansas that found the cocaine that that was the whole part of that Tom Cruz movie the the true story behind the Tom Cruz movie with uh what was that guy's name again that Jamie Barry seals yeah who was uh smuggling drugs and dropping them off into Mina Arkansas while Bill Clinton was the governor and they killed these kids and put them on PL uh train tracks here's a relevant point about Bill Clinton two of them on page 156 156 of his book you know this he says that he doubts as president the authenticity of the moonlandings well he said in a very koi way right but that's what he's saying well he told an anecdote about a carpenter that he was working with in 196 9 he was saying how amazing it is that These Guys these people they they landed on the moon and the carpenter said no those TV fellows can get you to believe anything I don't believe the thing they say and then he said back then I thought the old guy was a crank I'm paraphrasing but now after eight years years in the white house I think he might have been ahead of his time I think that was not paraphrasing I think that was word for word Joe yeah good memory well here's the second that's quite word for word I'm sure but here's the second point about about President Clinton when he finally after denying it 20 times admitted that he had an affair a reporter asked him why did you do it and you know what he said why
what because I could meaning because I could get away with it this what people need to see they did fake the moonlanding and why did they do it because they could and these people are still in power it's a dangerous thing also because they wanted to win this cold war with Russia they wanted to get this uh economic and cultural Victory right well that's could be their excuse okay so so here's another question you murder Americans to do that alleged murder Americans well we we assume yeah yeah but we don't really know the Thomas Ronald Baron one is a wild one because that rep that report was buried correct after that that's right and in the report do we have details of exactly what was said in the report well basically he said what Gus gum said there were a decade or more away from going to the moon and that was after the Apollo one fire the baron report and of course he died right before he was to testify to Congress right what a coincidence yeah about how NASA was so far behind schedule n you know NASA has never kept a schedule a single time in their entire history except the most complicated mission of all time they were head of schedule and do you realized there's never been an aerospace machine airplane whatever that ever worked on the the first occasion not even the Wright brothers plane and a 747 after millions of aircraft had already been built 10 years more technologically advanced than the Apollo Rocket it took 168 attempts to get off the ground and yet for the first time in history the the there was an aviation project that worked on the first occasion that happened to be the most complicated one of all time you see that coincidence how about that so humans have accomplished some pretty amazing things but the leap between that and the moon landings in terms of getting biological living human beings s to survive this twoe journey to land on the moon and come back how long did it take total all days in space well the from setting the goal to doing it it took only eight and a half years and but the actual since then they're talking about it being taking 15 years to quote return to the Moon even though they have 54 years better technology it's going to take twice the amount of time to return to the Moon with five decades better
technology but again isn't that they would you'd also say because it's not as focused an effort it's not like well it is a focused effort because eight presidents have said they're going to return to the Moon in five years right yeah they all say that you you had Bush senior say it and and Reagan said it and Clinton said it and Obama said it and Bush senior Bush Jr Trump they've all said we're going to return yeah he said we're going to go to the Moon by 2024 uh time's running out Tick Tock ticktock you got a couple months left well they said they were going to have people orbiting the moon they said in 2014 we will have people orbiting the moon in 2018 100% behind schedule my point was and they only have mannequins orbiting the moon so my point was that the leap between what we do now in terms of the difficulty difficulty of getting into space getting into lower orbit and and coming back it it it gets compounded greatly by actually going to another planet Landing taking off coming back like that's that's much more difficult and the only time that was ever accomplished was between 1969 and 1972 seven attempts six successful allegedly accomplished allegedly accomplished but let's just say what they're saying just what they're saying it's it seems very strange that no one else did it it seems very strange that it stopped right there and it seems very strange that no other missions invol only it's the only technological achievement in the entire history of world that no one from Any Nation could repeat 50 years later now to steal man their position like it took so much money and so many res resources that we don't have that would be better served going to other things and that's why they haven't been back why should they go back they went there they they understand they can prove they went there because there's laser reflectors on the moon that they can shoot lasers at and they will bounce off off and show you that there's a laser reflector on the moon well that's not an argument either because in 1958 according to Scientific American Magazine they were bouncing lasers off the moon without any man-made reflectors there on so all they had to do is choose a landing site that had reflective surfaces additionally Russia put an unmanned Probe on the moon with laser reflectors so that doesn't
prove anything I was going to get to that but that's that's the argument well you're welcome I did it for you thank you that is the argument though right yeah so the argument is the laser reflectors prove another like one of the goofiest ones was when they used the reconnaissance imetry and they showed look we could see the landing site like what are you well yeah I meanin at you have to understand they already faked a fullbody picture of an astronaut standing on the surface of the Moon which was filmed in Clovis New Mexico according to an eyewitness okay so you're asking the fox for further proof that they didn't steal a chicken you're saying after faking a fullbody image that was shot in Air Force Base and pretending it's on the moon my client Mr Fox is an upstanding citizen and my client refutes all allegations well the same fraudulent organization has a little Shadow from alleged lunar satellite that says this is you know part of the lunar lander yeah there there's a lot of weirdness yeah uh another bit of weirdness that is fun to watch people do mental gymnastics to explain away is the flag blowing in the breeze I was just checking this the moonlanding these this photo was taken by a uh a guy like in uh Ireland or something I think was it show he's in he's just uh he's just a guy he uh no what does it show the image The Landing sites what do you see I could just tell you any one of those spots is a landing site and what are you going to say I mean you don't see much do you know what I'm saying it doesn't prove nor disprove uh it's not clear enough to say what that is right it's not clear I don't see any objects that look like they're definitively a lunar rover I don't see anything that makes me think that that's what that is but it could be because it's not that clear so it's not it's neither proof nor it doesn't prove or disprove those images in my opinion well here's another interesting proof you have Neil Armstrong said he person picked up a particular Rock put it in his pocket and saved it for the prime minister of the Netherlands oh yeah that's a good one who he who he gave to right and they put it in a hermetically sealed box yeah the curator saw my film says oh I wonder about that he in the
middle of the night they they expected no one would open it up he opens it up puts the rock under a microscope and it's petrified wood kind of this Eerie out of the world looking that's a fact so unless there're trees growing on Earth uh I mean on the moon then it's a fake in fact there's a story it says Moon Rock proves to be fake that deal armstr picked up and personally delivered but no reporter asks uh so if the moon rocks are fake what about the moon mission okay to steal man that you would say what was the chain of custody between Neil Armstrong and this uh prime minister he brought it to him he he personally gave it to him and he said I picked this up off the surface of the Moon this is the rock I remember it here you go they put it in a box that's not much chain of command to get messed up the thing is like who's got it after that and is it possible someone stole it and swapped it out with another rock that looked like that was [ __ ] it's possible you have to think it's possible it's I don't think it's possible again I'm with you I don't think it's Poss I mean it seems highly likely that they gave him a fake Moon Rock but you have to leave the door open to someone who's involved who's fraudulent who knew there was a moon rock there and some guy said hey man I'll give you $100,000 another interesting point is six weeks before they allegedly going to the moon for the very first time somehow with that deadline Von Brun former Nazi takes a leisurely vacation in Antarctica where he picks up you know dozens of pounds of lunar meteorites I wonder what they use those for let's explain that too that Antarctica is one of the best places to find meteors uh meteorites because the fact that it's completely white it's all look Frozen in snow and the meteorites Will Stand Out they'll stand out in in the snow yeah and it hardly ever snows there so there's not much to cover them up and maybe the orbit being the South Pole it's more prone to lunar meteorites right so it's very well known that you can get uh meteorites in Antarctica and a lot of them they can conclusively prove come from the Moon correct this is all true okay so warer Von braa maybe me needed to know what he was looking at when he got those moon rocks back and so he like well we have any on Earth well yes sir we do we have some lunar
meteorites we can find in Antarctica let's take a trip didn't he have a broken arm at the time I believe he did there's one picture of him I right after he was captured where his arm is broken and I was just talking oh it's right after his capture because I thought it was in on Artica that he had BR no no no no no it was uh he's in his Nazi uniform and it's right after he got captured and and brought over an Operation Paperclip I always wonder he broke his arm it's like either he was being sassy during an interrogation or or he got you know bombed and you know got pulled out of rubble one of the two could have been he loved Hitler so much he fainted when he found out he got uh purple tund Syndrome from doing the salute to many times so he was a legitimate Nazi and this is important too because this is a thing that I know a lot of people have denied um Operation Paperclip was uh an operation that took place right after the end of World War II where we acquire fired a bunch of Nazi scientists that went on to do the Apollo program verer Von braa was one of them the Simon weisenthal Center had said while he was alive that if he if if rather if he was alive they would prosecute him for crimes against humanity that's right he was a legitimate Nazi they hung the five slowest workers the five slowest Jews in their rocket Factory in Berlin so if you walked in you would see the five slowest workers hanging there and this is eyewitness from people who were in that rocket Factory this is not disputed stuff that he did that and you know you could say he was just a rocket maker he had nothing to do with that but he was a Nazi and we and in charge of the not the moon faking not just one of them but one he also said before he died he was that the government is planning on Faking an alien invasion so the guy who faked the moonlanding he said that he said that that the the next the evidence of that that he said that well his secretary says so oh that [ __ ] might be crazy you know you never know she might be doing coke making stories up she might be a scammer she seems sincere to me she might be trying to he said they're going to be an asteroid threat next followed by a fake Alien Invasion that's what he said and keep in mind these Apollo Astronauts who spent their whole life lying saying the
moonlandings are real or also the key people who are saying UFOs are real and so is the key people but Edgar Mitchell one of them and Robert Egger made films you know propaganda films to plant the seed that UFOs are real and he was at Canon air force base when they faked the moonlanding okay can I assume that then by what you're saying that you don't think UFOs are real at all no they are real but they're not from outer space what about the ones that Kenneth Arnold saw in the 1950s what about I don't know about those so this is the first I think UFOs are real but they're not from outer space according to the top two UFO research I have a book coming out hopefully in time of this podcast aliens from Planet X that talks about their origin and future appearance and they UFOs are real and aliens are real but they're not from outer space and that's according to the top two UFO researchers after decades long research so go to cell.com and where do they they're not from outer space they're interdimensional and potentially Fallen Angels disguising themselves because they're Liars of of something like you said can't be proven or disproven I'm from this galaxy 300 light years away this is kind of what Tucker Carlson thinks he he thinks there's a spiritual element to it he thinks they've always been here and he thinks that this is what's kind of documented in the Bible as like good and evil and that's it exactly I mean that's what's going on I mean the top two UFO researchers said UFOs are real number one number two they're not from outer space and number three they're demonic and that's what I talk about the where it talks about Fallen Angels inter breeding with humans as talked about in Genesis 6 and creating a race called Nephilim who were men of renowned world leaders could you interpret that as when you say interbreeding with humans now imagine if what they are is a form of artificial intelligence or I should say instead of artificial artificial is a word that it's got a lot attached to it already maybe digital intelligence or human cre intelligence that's not of biological origin but it is a living thing it's just living in a different kind of way now if that is something that human beings are eventually going to we're going to have some symbiotic
relationship with electronic that's biological you're seeing it already with neuralink you're seeing how this guy who is paralyzed can now utilize a computer and manipulate everything with his mind he can move a cursor around you're you're seeing artificial intelligence come to the Forefront where people are realizing the power that it has and how quickly it's developing it's happening very rapidly within this year it's kind of confusing people when better artificial technology comes along and better interfaces come along and we start realizing that the only way that we are going to survive is if we integrate isn't that kind of the same as something coming down and Inter breeding with human beings if these things if this is the pro the path of progress this is how it goes in intelligent life forms on complicated planets on with when they have complicated technology they develop internal combustion engines or some other source of power they start manipulating their environment and they eventually get to the point where they can make an artificial life form and that artificial life form is far superior intellectually to the biological life form and the only way the biological life form can survive as if it integrates with the artificial intelligence and people will start to do it initially and those people will have access to tremendous resources that biological people don't have and it'll be required just like it's almost required for everyone to have a cell phone everyone's going to integrate and in case over time what would that look like well probably look like aliens it would probably look like some weird sort of creature that's not really biological anymore so it doesn't have all the flaws of our primate DNA it doesn't have all the but it does it have a soul like are we cre creating a thing without a soul that has a mandate and has like it has plans for the universe and for life forms and would that kind of be demonic it seems like that's demonic I mean if you want to be real simple about demons you think they live in hell and they got pitchforks and but what is the what kind of force would a demonic force be something that would overpower the human race and render it non-existent well wouldn't one way to do that would be to
integrate with humans to the point where it makes biological reproduction a thing of the past all reproduction is done through either some sort of complicated gene splicing program or life and Consciousness gets integrated with technology inextricably so where everybody is some sort of a hybrid system well there is a spiritual component including to the moonlanding I mean you've seen a Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon right it opens up with the Tower of Babel which was built simply to boast we have the tallest building and then we show the Titanic that says the ship that God himself could not sink and we know what happened there Tower of Babel never finished Titanic never made one voyage and then Richard Nixon when he knew they were not on the moon said putting a man on the moon is the greatest event since creation itself you see Mankind's greatest accomplishment you see and the world leading country is putting a man on the the moon and how ironic when I popped in that tape of the window shot and realized they really did fake the moon landing so that was the first one that really cemented it for me absolutely I it just I gave him the benefit of the doubt as long as possible okay I want to go to the flag because the flag is a piece of contentious debate the the flag waving on the surface of the Moon so the moon has almost no atmosphere correct right okay and it has one six or Earth gravity so when you're watching these people uh plant this flag on the Moon the Moon is supposedly it doesn't have any wind or definitely the kind of wind that blows around a flag now the flag had a rod at the top of it and the rod at the top of it kept it in place and it kept it stiff so it it stayed horizontal and when you watch the video footage the flag is waving around in what looks like a breeze and so a lot of people have tried to kind of explain it away and say see if you can find a video of the flag itself waving yeah there's one so here we go so they're planting the flag now you do have to take into consideration that there's very little gravity so it's one six Earth gravity so things definitely in a one six gravity environment they move differently the problem is when the flag gets ultimately planted and then they back away from it
and no one's touching it anymore then it seems to like independently be moving in the breeze well it's my opinion they had a lot of air conditioning pumped in there because the backpacks had the cooling units removed so they wouldn't fall over backwards so it was very hot in there and they had lots of air conditioning there's better footage Jamie where you can just see and a Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the moon at sell.com there's a clip of the flag blowing in the wind a couple of times here's another thing to take into consideration this what you're looking at is not a direct feed that was offered to the news organizations so what this is is a projector that's projecting a on a screen and then the news organizations then point their camera at that screen correct well actually NASA pointed a camera at the screen there so they took the footage they put it on a big screen you got to understand 1969 projection technology very low resolution looks like this they put a camera on it they ran that to a monitor and then they had people film The Monitor right so it it's deliberately fourth generation so they're intentionally degre the quality of the signal the networks wanted a li feed and they gave him fourth generation instead but this is important to know like that wasn't I mean if you can get someone on the moon you can get better footage in terms of Gil Island in terms of what we know 5 why didn't they have color right I mean this is n they let's let's just say it's easier to do it in black and white let's just say that if they did it in black and white there's no reason why they can't get a clear feed directly to the news organizations and to television there's no reason to be filming it on a monitor there's no reason to do that well there is to cover up the fact that it's done in a TV studio but if you can overcome the technological hurdles to get people to the Moon you can overcome the technological hurdles hurdles to allowing people to have clear access clear footage of what this thing is instead of fourth generation stuff right yeah like I said I think if gilan's Island went from black and white to color in 1965 NASA can afford a color camera on the moon after all it is the most technologically advanced event why
wouldn't they want a highresolution color camera they didn't because it might show that it's a fake scene which it was that's why they degradated the signal by fourth Generations do we have better footage of the flag waving on the moon cuz there's some there's some footage of it where you're just like this is weird yeah there's some and a Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon about halfway through they filmed in color the next one on Apollo 12 okay let's see that one while I was trying to find that but just see just just Google flag Blowing in the Wind on the moon well if you Google it it may not want to show it so it's in my movie if you put it on YouTube as a YouTube search it'll show it like which one those are different there's one Apollo five that's me this one's pretty good I click on that one Jamie I don't Apollo 15 no Jamie back where it says no I said the one that says Apollo 15 right there that's it yeah okay so this one this is color he plants it it still looks shitty but he plants it and let's get a look at when he gets out of the way you see it moving around so this is it so this thing is kind of just waving on its own no one's even touching it and it looks like it's waving in a breeze it's so it stops moving and then it starts moving again now again there's footage that shows it even more so than that like an astronaut walking past it creating the breeze and then the flag blows without him touching it yeah I'd like to see that so how much further does this go Jamie four minute video 3 minute video so scoot ahead I think this is actually the one where the guy walk walks by it and then it starts going in the breeze here it goes does it show it where he walks by there it is it's it's back there because you see his image I don't know where he went right there where oh something just went in front of the camera there he is right there okay watch there it is see that yeah there so watch that again Jamie so this is the one he hops by and as he hops by the breeze makes the flag blow because he's in an air environment he's not on the moon right that is a weird one do it again look at this as he hops by he doesn't touch the flag now can I do dev's Advocate what do you call it
steel what Steel Man Okay the reason why it's doing that and really on the moon is because there's microm meteorites hitting him and they're bouncing off of him and hitting the flag is that a pretty good one is that real no Oh I thought they were trying that I was I was trying trying to come up with an excuse as to why the moonlanding are real you like that one that is a good one micr Medi Arts will mess you up well actually Von braa we found publications of his mind you my film cost a million dollars it was financed by a board member of an aerospace company who builds rockets for NASA who knows it's fake who gave me a million dollars to produce these films as his patriotic duty to expose it we found documentation from Von braa that says every 24 hours on the moon there's a 50% chance of a catastrophic deadly error because of decompression from a microm meteorite so they were there 3 days they were 150% chance they would have been killed from a microm meteorite grain of sand traveling through space at 25,000 mph and he said you would have to immediately go into a cave once you landed they never did that he also said in writing in order to go to the moon in one rocket he says that cannot happen you need three rockets each Wayne Uh each being 10 times the tonnage of the Queen Mary or some 800,000 tons each in order to go to the moon and the Saturn 5 was 2,500 tons not 800,000 tons we have that in writing wait that was from his book right and what year was that uh I think that came out uh in 1959 and then he recanted on his math shortly thereafter by 30,000 per. and now Elon Musk wants to quote Return To The Moon And he says to return to the Moon we need to make nine fuel trips first to Ferry the fuel necessary to be able to go to the Moon from there that's exactly what Von Bron said in one of my Clips at cell.com you have to make multiple fuel trips to go to the Moon first to a space station and then from there you can go Elon must said the same thing but how did they do it with with a rocket that contained 13,000 of a percent of the amount of fuel Von Bron said it would take one of my favorite one of my favorite uh films is the film of the lunar module leaving the moon when when it leaves when then the camera pans and it it looks let's film
let's show it let's show what what what year was that which which uh I think that was one of the last missions uh and I think you're talking about where the camera perfectly tilt tilts up yeah with the little model going up yes and of course with the delay how could you synchronize that of course you couldn't well you could because you know it's 4 seconds right just like it's radio waves well but it' probably be more than that going through all the analog equipment right but you could you could time it you could save you could have a 5-second delay so this is it this is it what so this is launching off the watch this we and it's perfectly tilting up with it in real time with the remote control from NASA with the radio delay that I suspect would be more like 12 seconds but also because today if you say to someone in Atlanta talking to someone in Iraq hey how's it going one two three hey I'm doing fine that's that's just on halfway around the world you the the panning is interesting but um you could put a timer on it the um the thing looking so goofy is so crazy like that that thing is supposed to get off one6 Earth's gravity and fly like that how what's it doing it looks so [ __ ] fake it looks like it's being pulled by strings look it might be real I'm certainly not an astronaut I don't know what I'm talking about but when I if I you had a guess if you showed this to me and said hey do you think this is real or fake and you didn't give me any context I'd be like what is this a cheap science fiction movie what is this and then here it goes like that's what that's leaving a planet how's it leaving is that some new space technology where's the fire coming out of the bottom of it how's it doing that I mean it just looks fake it might be real it might be one of those things that is real but looks fake all right see so then this is where it gets weird cuz it's not doesn't say it's a timer it said somebody in Houston had to anticipate the timing ignition lift off which I guess you could have guessed it was going to be in 5 seconds and just lifted the remote control up could he have guessed I have no idea what he was using I have to look that up I guess you could guess if you say I'm going to launch also they time in five and so you know then you you count 10 cuz he's
going to you know you got you got like a 5-second delay and so when he gets to like if he counts down from 10 if he gets to five you hit it well there's a 3 second delay today halfway around the world with modern equipment talking from like Atlanta to Iraq 3 second delay could have [ __ ] it up only halfway around the world with modern equipment he has to say it so the guy on the moon has to say I'm launching now and he has to wait 5 Seconds it would be at least a 12 second delay I think and possibly more than that with the delay itself of the radio light waves they and back plus all that analog equipment but it is not impossible to do a 12C delay it's only 12 seconds if you had a stopwatch and you counted it and you had a far enough Vision where you could see the base of the lunar module you could see it detach and then you kind of got it as long as you got enough of a field of view in the footage but boy it looks fake it's it also looks fake in the way it's moving up it's watch it again Jamie cuz it's moving up like it's being pulled by string well it looks fake because it is fake but most things that look fake are fake not all of them but the vast majority of things that look fake or fake now watch how this pulls up here it goes it detaches it's like what is that now here's the question did they practice this at all on Earth did they practice uh taking off on one of those things or could they I don't think they did they practice Landing but here's the question they couldn't right because it wouldn't have the same amount of thrust on Earth because the gravity is so much stronger so that thing wouldn't have been operational on earth right well they had a lunar lander simulator that Neil Armstrong almost got killed in six weeks beforeand he couldn't fly it on Earth in the safety of a tried and true environment and that was six weeks right but also again the gravity of Earth is much greater than the gravity of the Moon well they took that into account that was supposed to be a simulation of it so more powerful to overcome Earth's gravity in comparison yeah but with so then you're dealing with a totally different machine and you're dealing with totally different factors maybe it would be easy with one six Earth gravity
may be easy like we boom it lands and apparently it was but one six I would like to know like how much thrust do you need to get off of the gravity of the Moon if it's one six Earth's gravity versus what it takes to get off of Earth like what are those calculations and how is that amount Force being generated by that thing and is it CU that's a that would be a really good question because if you can't prove that you could do that like how do you do that well this is one reason why NASA destroyed all the schematics all the electronics all the diagrams of the equipment because you could later prove that the lunar module see they claim that the lunar module was powering air conditioning on a bank of car batteries and compe heated against 250° outside and got it down to a comfortable 72 for 3 or 4 days I mean you try that at home you know with your car batteries also batteries of T today like my Tesla only goes 350 miles if I drive real slow and so they're they're saying they powered air conditioning off much more primitive batteries 24 hours 3 or 4 days in a row against 250° outside so this is an indirect PR if you really went to the moon and spent $200 billion you would never destroy the technology but one of the clips we have is them saying that they intentionally destroyed all of the equipment to go to the Moon all the diagrams are the hardware all the schematics all the original Telemetry of where the rocket was at the time and all the original videotapes Ron Howard's grandfather warned him the moonlandings were fake he didn't listen he wanted to make an IMAX movie he went to NASA said give me all the originals so I can transfer it to HD and project it at 120 ft wide they said give us a couple of days and in those days they lost every single original videotape from every single Apollo Mission now if you really went to the moon and spent $200 billion the last thing you would do is destroy that technology but if you perpetrated a fraud that's exactly what you would do so what is this Jammy I think uh video of them practicing so is this uh Landing but landing is that there's Neil Armstrong it's the same machine I so this is the one that he was practicing on that he almost died in look at that thing wow that's crazy um there's also
an article I found about how they filmed it they tried on Apollo 15 and 16 and failed for different reasons and then they finally got it right on 17 so it was a timing thing uh so several second delay here it goes the cameras were very successful capturing the images of numerous Eva but while they could be controlled from Houston it was felt that several second delay between Earth and the Moon would make capturing the modules Ascent impossible so the plan was to pre-program the camera and hope that NASA camera operator in Houston Ed fandel got his timing just right on apoll 15 the Tilt mechanism Mal malfunction meaning the camera was never panned upwards and thus the lunar module rapidly accelerated upwards and out of the picture on Apollo 16 Mission the astronauts actually parked the Rover in the wrong place so while the cameras work perfectly it was too close to the module and again once it lit up the engines it accelerated swiftly out of picture happily Apollo 17 got everything right but what is perhaps most remarkable about looking back on it was that no one realized the significance of the liftoff at the time persistent rumors suggest that NASA had to pay the networks to cover Apollo 17 Mission at all and when final liftoff of humanity from the Moon took place it barely raised a mention on that evening's news reports that's a really important Point too cuz people were really tired of it like they were mad that it was interrupting I dream of Genie I Love Lucy oh that's what it was I Love Lucy yeah well that's from Wikipedia that continually defends the fake moonlandings in fact if you if you type if you type in moonlanding fraud you don't get anything about the fraud you get a thousand videos defending you know the supposed Moon missions now if the moon missions are real then anyone who says otherwise is an idiot okay so how do they defend if I were going around saying George Washington not the first president it was really Mickey Mouse do you think there'd be a thousand videos to reassure people that George Washington was the first president and not Mickey Mouse but there's a thousand videos out there that took tens of thousands hundreds of thousands of hours to produce to defend the moonlandings if it's so obvious they should speak for
themselves it has to be continually supported because it's made out of straw that's why so the um the lunar module leaving the surface of the Moon how did they practiced that if was the first time they ever pulled that off the first time they ever tried it was that I think they used a simulation but but did they do that on the moon well they couldn't practice they had to do it for the first time they did it flawlessly every single time did they have the ability to land something on the moon and have it take off remotely did they have that kind of control back then no I don't think so probably not right so if they did if Apollo 11 did happen and they did take off from the that time they did it was the first time anybody had ever tried to use one of those things to get off the surface of the Moon worked every time flawlessly person in it with a person in it with with two people in it three no two two people in it one person in the lunar orbiter 10 landed on 10 were launched into space of those six landed by humans onto the moon first two were flown test and low earth orbit without a crew that's Apollo though let's talk about about the AI Discovery you know about that right but hold on before we get going so the first two were in America dress rehearsal for the landing was Apollo 10 and then conducted on Apollo 11 and so um is there footage of them trying that thing Apollo 10 no just just having it launch on Earth I'd be fascinating to see what it looks like how that thing gets into the air I don't you know because if they were able to make uh a lunar lander that Neil Armstrong got in that thing that looked very different than the ones that were on the moon but that thing if he's doing that to try to overcome the six times gravity that Earth has over the moon what does it look like when they're testing that thing like how much thrust does it have and where is the engine where where is the rockets that Propel that thing into space like where do you fit those this is my question you know and so how did they explain that away like what is the conventional explanation as to how that thing had the amount of power that was required to get off of the moon's gravity get away from the Moon and fly to Earth well how did they
do it with uh 13,000 of a percent of the fuel that Von BR said they had to why is it today to quote Return To The Moon you have to make nine fuel trips to be able to go to the moon and return but somehow they did it in one trip I'm looking on YouTube for a video of it but there's like some people smarter every day recreated the lunar lander and tested it successfully see what they did um so this is one they did on Earth yeah I mean these guys made it I don't know if this worked in space obviously because they couldn't get it there but right they made their own and I'm trying to find out how successful it was so you certainly could make some well that obviously there's no person in that right that's small that's different that's why I think that video I showed you a second ago of uh the test footage which I don't know where there some link I don't know where it went okay I'll find it again but I don't know again I'm trying to find the official let's talk about the ai's latest Discovery that's the latest breaking news okay they had an AI conference in November you know they have all these conferences automobile conferences video equipment conferences shoe conferences and they had the latest AI conference in November in Moscow and just like at these conventions you can try out a car driving around the track that gets 150 m a gallon that somehow never makes the market well Google had its most Advan Advanced AI a bunch of AIS hooked up together called the neural network and they let people play around with it for 3 days one group had it WR a symphony one group had it WR a novel another group tested its deep fake detection program which has never been wrong it can tell you in one second of video whether a video of Biden or Trump is real or deep fake it's never been wrong first they fed it pictures from the moon's surface from the UN manned Chinese probes from a few years ago it said they're real and then they fed it in comparison pictures from the Apollo missions and it said absolutely fake for multiple reasons fake background fake foreground they even pointed out that one picture was not even a real astronaut it was a miniature of the astronaut because the AI detected that
the footprints were not the way a human normally walked it was they were stamped in there with a miniature and that the entire set wasn't even real it was a miniature of the set so they could show a vast backr where AI conclusion where someone see that go to cell.com I wrote an article about it and there's a video of it of Putin himself being shown the results that the latest AI says the moon landings are fake and then when I tried to track down the original article it warned you if you click to proceed all the data on your computer will be stolen and you'll be associ iated with child pornography that's it says that I have go to.com there's a clip of it I did a screenshot it says that that's how desperate they are because the latest AI says the moon landings are fake you think that story is on RT their president was there it's nowhere to be found does the latest AI look at that Apollo 17 lunar module taken off well I don't know that they showed it that footage but they showed it still pictures from the Apollo Mission and they showed it still pictures from the surface of the Moon from the unmanned Chinese probes it said the Chinese probe pictures are real the Apollo pictures are fake the smartest a on the real in the world with a deep fake detection program that's never been wrong how is that not public how is that not major news exactly right why is it that Fox News cancels their number one program if they're in the business to make money you know we had the former director of the Russian space agency a little over a year ago he said the moon missions were fake Fox News calls me up the next day they said Bart we want to do an hourong special about whether the moonlandings are real or not and we just want to be honest with you we haven't read your book we haven't seen your film and irregardless of what's in there we will conclude that the moon missions are real the point is to reassure the public and then during that hourlong program which I saw after the fact they had a quote from one scientist in 1969 that said congratulations and therefore they said see the Russians think it's real and I'm like well what about the former director of the Russian Space Program who said six weeks ago that it was fake they deliberately don't mention that you think RT is who said it
was fake which guy well the former director of the Russian space agency who is he his name is Dimitri razen and he said that the Apollo missions are fake and Fox News calls me up they had to put out that fire you see that and they said we will conclude without investigating it without reading your book and even if your book and movie proved that it was fake we're still going to conclude that it was real of course it's Fox and then your network well yeah and then are they really anti-corruption no they're not and there it is right there it doesn't say Google though it's just is uh it's the neural network thinks almost everything in this photo is fake meanwhile it back up back it up again it's the neural network thinks almost everything in this photo is fake and that's the Moonlighting thing so meanwhile raises no particular questions about this photo taken by a Chinese lunar rover so this is someone explaining this to Putin and they're looking at it it believes this one is fake he's pointing to the Apollo yes look at the red this is what Google's neural network thinks not ours so there will be no bias it's surprising but it does believe so the neural network has analyzed a lot of data including light and dark contrast Etc and then it believes the photo is synthetic very interesting now he's not surprised so he knows already that it's fake let me tell you something Joe I know somebody who works for the Chinese space agency okay I just did an interview with him for my YouTube channel and he says everybody there knows that the Apollo missions are fake so why don't they like publicly broadcast that let me tell you exactly why he says they're blackmailing NASA NASA is giving them illegally according to the Own federal law secret space technology in exchange for China not blowing the whistle and that's the alleged reason why it must be real the Russians would have found out and the Chinese would have found out and they would have blown the whistle that's just not true let's say I had a picture of a leader with a prostitute I could upload it to the internet and take them down and then that would be it or I could blackmail
them year after year after year and that's what I have a source in the command center of the space station at at China China space agency he says they know everyone knows it's fake they're blackmailing NASA for technology so the federal government is violating their own Espionage Act you see that Russia knows the guy's not surprised at all in fact my interpretation of his emotion he's afraid he looks afraid that the truth is going to come out now you see and then RT doesn't cover that story they don't cover it and I saw another AI story on RT so I went in the comment section and I've left I leave about two or three comments a year in there I've never had one taken down in three or four or five years I leave a comment hey guys why didn't you cover that the latest day where Putin was there says that the moon missions are fake they took down the comment they're they're they won't let you go to the original link you see Fox News is covering up for the federal government you see it's a great embarrassment I showed that footage that we talked about for quite a while to a news director at NBC he practically fainted he says it absolutely proves they didn't go to the Moon I said when are you going to broadcast it he thought he says I can't I don't want to go down in history as the man who caused the next civil war he says this will outrage the public 10 years later a new director at NBC News sees the footage they say it proves we didn't go to the Moon they fly me to New York they put me up in the Walo Storia Hotel they pay me thousands of dollars for the exclusive license to that footage and they said Bart I'm sorry to tell you this you can keep the money but we're going to have to cancel the program I'm like well why is that he says well we got a call for from someone in the federal government threatening us and we backed down huh you see so people see that footage it convinced me and I was a big moon fan you know pride is a thing here's something I wanted to say I talked to a a guy who teaches Aerospace at a major university and he said even if he saw Buzz Aldren confess on national TV that the moon missions were fake he would still think they're real pride is simp L the unwillingness to be wrong and humility is the willingness to
be wrong I was willing to be wrong it is what it is they did fake the moonlanding our government is that corrupt okay let's let's go over some other stuff um one thing I wanted to go over is the photographs and the Shadows that are moving at different angles because this has been disputed and this has been refuted by some people that are photographic experts they've looked at this and said this is actually Poss possible to get these kind of different angles even with natural sunlight um it's debatable though so let's let's talk about it okay so here we have on the right hand side a picture taken from the alleged last mission to the Moon you'll see on the left hand side is sunlight try it yourself go go out in your front yard or your parking lot at work on a cloudless day two people two telephone poles two trees they will always run parallel they will never intersect it's impossible for some sunlight Shadows to intersect over here on the right they claimed was taken in sunlight after all there's no atmosphere it's 20 times brighter on the moon than on Earth the last thing you need is an electrical light and the astronaut Shadow is going at 12:00 and a rock 5 ft away the Shadows going at 9:00 a 90° intersection proving that that was taken with an electrical light that's really close and it's probably behind the astronaut and if you go to the right of it it's going to throw the angle off that proves it in a court of law take a jury out they'll see the picture on the left break turn out the lights in the courtroom bring in a spotlight and you will prove in a court of law that that picture was taken with an electrical light which proves they are on earth and not on the moon now what is the conventional explanation as to why these Shadows move in different directions when when people try to debunk it and I'm sure you've seen them try to debunk it what is their take on it I've never heard it debunked to tell you the truth they they've ignored it in fact the reporter from National what was it mechanical magazine Popular Mechanics interviewed me and they said I can't I can't explain that I talked to the Washington post about the footage we showed he was doing a story about isn't it interesting on the 30th Anniversary some people doubt
the moonlanding and I said well what about that footage and he says well it looks to me like they didn't go to the moon and I said well why don't you you do a story about that he says if I did that I would be fired that's the Washington Post okay um Jamie what are your thoughts just out of the gate yeah looking at this photo I go Sun's behind them well what about the the one side by side what's your opion of that one Jamie this photo is not as interesting but that this is okay that's bigger that's one um go to the side by side one what's your opinion of that sunlight on the left elect Lighting on the right why why does it have to be electrical lighting there's lots of things that make light sure well let's take a look at the image Jim I'm trying to pull it back up but that's there my book which is interactive have 17 Clips one of the clips if you want to find it is National Geographic did a special just to refute my film and what they did was and you can find that clip it's under sell.com moonm video clips and they go to a desert at night they dress up an actor in an astronaut costume they bring out a spotlight and they have people stand next to the astronaut and the A and the Shadows intersect and you know what they say Joe they say that proves that the moon missions are real and I said well wait a minute it proves that they were taken by electrical light why didn't you go out to a desert during the day during sunlight you see they brought in a spotlight the shadows diverged and they said it proves that the moon landings are real that's a light that's a close source course right yeah but my point is what they actually did is they proved that the moon missions were taking with an electrical light if you take day it's going to be brighter everywhere what's that if you take photos in the desert during the day the entire sky is bright you have to block out a lot of light well it doesn't matter the Shadows the Shadows are still going to run parallel it doesn't matter it doesn't matter cuz that's what that's what I was trying to get up before I got cut off is that from this photo here which is very similar to the other photo it looks like the sun is probably behind it that's probably the brightest source that they have around them mhm you've already admitted that that without
adding extra laser reflectors that the moon surface is reflective so there's going to be reflection off of that and you're going to probably have the Earth which is also now a second source of light coming from a different angle that the sun is to create potentially without knowing exactly everything because I'm not the math scientist to know where the sun is or the the Sun and Earth are at this particular time of day they could create different Shadows well not really because the sun why why not well I'll tell you why because the sun is a million times bigger in volume than the earth and that would be like on a bright sunny day at noon shining a flashlight on the ground do you think you're going to see I can take pictures in here with multiple light sources though and they're going to look different jie the difference in the amount of light that gets emitted by the earth and the amount of light that gets emitted by the sun is substantial 100 that would be that would be like shining a flashlight on the ground at High Noon on a cloud St you're not going to see the beam of the sunlight the thing is and the surface and the surface take it from a filmmaker that's called reflective light it's G to it's not going to cast a distinctive Shadow yes but here's my point it it's still that rock on the the upper right hand corner even if it was getting light from the earth that made that shadow that underneath it to the left that goes in the wrong direction you would still get the same kind of shadow that you get off the astronaut behind the rock there's no reason why that would blast out that shadow that shadow would be significantly stronger all right that's why would this is the reason I wanted to go with the different photo because that's the one he sent and has other stuff on it I wanted to try a different photo well this one is not nearly as convincing it just has it has Shadows going in different directions all over the place well that's because it's taken with an electrical light well it does seem it does seem that they're going in different directions it's from Apollo 11 right well Apollo 11 they're saying was taken with electrical light jamming what are you saying no he's saying it's from electrical light my point here right now look the sunlight behind the guy's head right over here on the left Shadow
coming to the right over here on the right who says it's sunlight Jamie but Jamie if you had electrical lightlight the Shadows would be parallel that you're actually proving it's an electrical light because sunlight is parallel yeah it's all right stop but no but hold on Jamie don't stop well you guys are fighting against the things that I'm saying as a photographer as a filmmaker and like we're not you're assuming you're assuming it's sunlight I said it could be four different lights it also could be the reflector of the actual lunar lander that thing is made of giant shiny metal that has also light reflecting in multiple ways where is the where is the lunar lander though maybe we don't know where all the light sources are I wasn't there right that's part of the problem with analyzing each individual short little photograph like this but if I'm looking at this I see one very distinct Shadow that's coming from the one in the bottom right there that shows Shadows at two different angles that's kind of crazy that means an electrical light that's what it means well why because I just showed you what a picture looked like why have to be an electrical light there's lots of light sources it's true well it's true but there's also a hot spot they e they either filmed it on the moon or they filmed it on Earth and that's where if it's on the moon the Shadows are parallel in sunlight if the Shadows intersect it's an electrical light which means they're actually on Earth trying to fake it out so what you're saying is that if if it's electrical light it's more than one source of light that they have like suspended and so these are going to cast light in different directions and it's going to create Shadows that come at different angles as opposed to the enormous sun which bathes everything in a fairly even distribution of light yeah if there's two light sources like two electrical lights they' run in different directions or if there's one light because it's close the sun is 93 million miles away that electrical light is probably like 10 fet away so if you're behind it it's going to cast a shadow or in front of it it's going to cast a shadow straight ahead and if you're to the side of it it's going to cast an angle in a the light in
a different angle and the shadow in a different angle and okay and so this one is just normal I mean look at this picture on the right this is the most famous picture get the original off of eBay they've color corrected this the soil and the original picture around his feet is car Brown look at the pictures from the Chinese probes that the AI said was real it was a caramel brown color and they had the background grayish blue and they said oops we can see the fake background too easily so they color corrected them go to eBay go to your library find a publication from 1970 and you'll see and all them lunar pictures the originals from there's one there there's the brown one there go back there were there was one picture of the original print of the soil being brown right there that's the color all that set of pictures that I had those 20 pictures I got from my dad all of them had the soil that color including the famous one of Buzz Aldren right they all had a caramel brown and in the Chinese probes the soil is caramel brown cuz that's the color it really is color corrected them but if you landed um a a probe in you know the the desert in California versus you landed a probe in the middle of Austin rainy season you're going to get different ground different color ground right wouldn't we assume that the moon when we look at the Moon there's a bunch of different shades of the moon right that's the Man in the Moon there's like you could and all the of pictures and the original prints they're all the same shade because they're in that spot where it's that color but you have to see there's a before and after of that same picture okay that I want to say the original picture well you have to find it on eBay or whatever the original picture think it's online uh it could be but I don't you'd have to go to eBay and type in Apollo 11 phot everybody knows eBay is the most trusted source of information there's no way what we need is the original prints that came out in 1969 Jam exist Jamie will find it and those the soil is brown and yet in this most recent picture they've color corrected it now why do you think they did that why do you think they because the soil was brown and the background was grayish blue and they didn't match and you could see the fake backdrop so much easier now
there's another point of contention that the same background was used in different photographs that were supposed to be nowhere near each other that's true that is true okay and what are the what's the uh instances of that that you could show well I don't have them queued up but that proves that they're how do you not have those you must know what they are though right well I've seen I've seen them before other people have put them in films and it's true that they claim they're in two different locations but the backgrounds line up exactly right top of one another so yeah it's it's supposedly many miles apart but yet the backgrounds look the same yeah the AI said the picture they had of an astronaut on this vast background was a miniature it wasn't even a real astronaut yeah I want to see more of that um and that was was it actually Google's AI that did that it was it was Google's neural network H and the most Advan so either Google spent billions of dollars and 10 years or more developed being this AI that ended up being a piece of junk or the moon landings were fake you see which do you think is true well or the photographs are fake this brings me back to the thing that I was saying earlier that if they did look the hassle bad cameras that they use to photograph things in the moon one of the things that people would always say is oh they were special cameras they were different they protected against radiation they did a bunch of things they they were they could operate under the incredible temperature of the moon but they were the same cameras right they weren't really special cameras right someone sent me a link recently they have according to Eugene cernon he left a picture a family picture there on the surface of the Moon and he took a picture of the photograph that he left on the surface of the Moon and then someone said okay at what temperature does photographic print paper Kodak paper from that time you know at what temperatures it destroyed it was something like 145° well that's it's 100° hotter than that on the moon and the picture looks perfectly fine but how long does it take before the the image oh it's to be immed immediately immediately yeah and so the AI said that and then it says okay well is this a picture of Kodak film on the
moon you know it says yes it's supposed to be but how can it be there just leisurely laying around when it's 100° hotter than what it would cause it to destroy it what was different about the cameras that were used in the Moon and what protection was in place supposedly to protect them from radiation and and temperature nothing when my film came out and that's about the time that you and I met for the first time here it goes Hasselblad Hasselblad Engineers gave it a coat of heat resistant aluminum paint and removed the mirror and focus screen to save weight and allow the camera to be operated close to the head as opposed to the waist excuse me to Aid in the photo composition they attached a bracket used for mounting camera accessories called a cold shoe to the side it also held the astronaut's checklist while they were on the lunar surface inside the camera highly precise Motors allowed astronauts to scroll through a roll of film without using a hard crank rise knew that recreating the perfect replica of the Apollo 11 Hasselblad camera was going to be more difficult simply because there wasn't much accurate information available about it so that's getting more into this Recreation of the camera right that okay well the most significant part about this when my film came out Fox was going to air it as is and right beforehand their lawyers freaked out and said well we didn't show the other side of the story it's my argument with you during the break we've heard their side of the story for decades we don't need equal time give us equal time first well wait a minute let me say so they made a special where they interviewed me it was conspiracy theory did we go to the Moon aired three times by popular demand one of one of the most convincing Parts is they interview the representative from hosel blad cameras they show him a picture of allegedly a guy on the surface of the Moon in sunlight and he's embarrassed he says I I I don't know why it looks like that looks like he's standing under an electrical Spotlight to me and it's also because the hot spot right that's created by Spotlight that's right so the guy who made the camera says that pretty much that the pictures are fake he doesn't know why it looks like an electrical light is lighting him not the Sun and again that could be
because it was almost impossible to recreate those photos to create those photos well they showed simulations so many times during the 1969 television pictures you know they didn't have that much actual footage I don't think they would have a problem saying well we just you know destroyed the the pictures all we have is a TV image I'm sorry really really crazy they destroyed all the original footage if if I really went to the moon or I was in charge of a mission that really went to the moon and someone said well we got to put in fake pictures like no way because people are already saying the moon missions are fake I would never allow fake footage to be shown in a real Mission it if they really went it would jeopardize The credibility of it they would never do it if you had a say but also you have to take into consideration that people that back then there was no VCRs they would air this once and in their mind that would be it no one anticipated VCRs no one anticipated DVDs and certainly no one anticipated the internet no one anticipated a podcast no one anticipated YouTube videos no one anticipated someone being able to analyze and look at these things no one anticipated AI being able to look at the images and determine that they were fake I haven't heard your Devil's Advocate excuse yet Joe for why they intentionally destroyed a $200 billion investment that doesn't make any sense to me it doesn't make any sense to me why they would destroy the footage it doesn't make any sense to me why they would not have the Telemetry data it doesn't make any sense to me I can't think of a reason why other than gross incompetence which no they said they intentionally destroyed it not accidentally I mean if there if there was any technology you might intentionally destroy maybe the atomic bomb after World War II let's we used it to end the war now let's just destroy it all can't do that because then other people can to have it well the point is but I see what you're saying I see what you're saying 10 years later it's a thousand times more powerful right why would they destroy that technology unless they're covering their tracks of a fraud now one of the things about this is that this subject is connected instantaneously with idiocy if you believe the moonlandings
are fake you are a [ __ ] and it's something that is pushed heavily especially by people that only have a a cursory understanding of the moon landing itself and their argument is it would actually be more difficult to fake the moon landing than it would be to actually go well that's not true the was the film The Martian shot on location in Mars well that was much later well but the point the point is you know what I'm saying when 1969 technology that that saying oxom Razer that the simplest aam's Razer is the simplest explanation is true is true but they've got it backwards the film The Martian wasn't shot on location on Mars it was done in a TV studio it's easier to fake a moon Miss than there is to go to the Moon obviously and yet they're so desperate to say that the moon landings are real they say it upside down they say it's easier to go than to fake something well they say it's easier to go than to fake it and keep it secret all these years but they did only a handful of people knew the truth right the guy in the command center can't tell the difference between a real flight and a fake one right there's only three eyewitnesses and no independent press coverage they have complete control everything compartmentalized yeah so they did fake it we have the fact that you can't have a thousand times greater technology in the past than in the future right we have the footage of them faking being halfway to the Moon we have shadows intersecting at 90 degrees which can only be done with an electrical light and we have an eyewitness of Cyrus Eugene acres and then there's another clip I think it's clip seven Jamie I interviewed Edgar Mitchell in his house for my second follow-up film astronauts gone wild I showed him the fake footage that we just looked at he turned beat red got mad where did you get this get out of my house started cursing at me kicked me from behind and in the commotion we left a highquality wireless microphone on him and in the commotion my camera operator forgot to hit stop record so while the camera is in the back seat of the rental car in the guy's driveway he's in his house with the door closed and we're recording his private conversation with his son and you'll hear them say do you want to call the
CIA and have him whacked they're talking about me now if they really went to the moon and I'm some idiot who thinks it was done in a TV studio why would they care why would the CIA care and why would a civilian Apollo astronaut have the CIA in his Rolodex do you see that's indirect proof that they didn't go to the Moon because why would they be talking about having me killed by the CIA if they really went and I'm some silly person who thinks they faked it you see let's hear that you have that recording yeah it's I gave him the time code there okay and then so my book goes into all these things that are not in the film have so here's you climbing into the car see you later in court I hope call the CIA have him whed and there it is so that's the son son saying that that's right okay how old is his son at the time well he was about I guess 23 years old okay but but 23 year olds are [ __ ] well you get a 23y old kid they're they're dumbass they're mad their dad just got punked you know the whole thing's happening your dad kicks this guy [ __ ] this guy you want to call the CIA have wh I don't know if you read the book one chapter is called a Funny Thing Happened on the Way to CNN okay I found that tape of them faking part of the moon mission in my home studio and and just quietly wept oh my gosh they really did fake it I freaked out I'm like oh my gosh I have proof that the moonlandings are fake in my house with a blind roommate and a toddler son I'm panicking I call it Bill casing I'm like Bill you're not going to believe what I found they really didn't go to the Moon they really didn't go to the moon and he's like well Bart I told you I'm like no you don't understand they really didn't go he's like well Bart part I told you and as I'm telling him about the footage it's interrupted by this Screech I can't hear him he can't hear me I go to church that night to get advice from the elders what to do they say drive like a bat out of hell to CNN I already made a copy of it and put it in safe houses as I'm leaving church one of the last cars late at night a van backed into a swimming pool that had been closed for 3 hours since Sundown pulls out immediately when I go by I'm like guy was waiting for me I pull over to the side of the road I said I'm not
going anywhere until this guy's in front of me I got all night finally he realizes he he got caught he passes me I follow him know the enemy he gets on the parkway going toward town I get in the parkway going toward town I'm like I want to see this guy who is this guy waiting to follow me the day I find the secret footage I look at him in the eye he looks like a great white shark who would kill me and go home and have a great dinner not think about me tomorrow and as soon as we connect my car shuts off the electrical engine everything shuts off he meets up with another what year is this this is 1999 what kind of car do you have at the time I had a Toyota van uh and he meets up with another car on the other side they start literally looping around as I'm running from side to side being chased by these people I flag down a cab who takes me to CNN in Atlanta where I have a friend who works there and I'm literally trying to give them the tape through the back door this is all in my book maybe it'll make a great movie someday and I'm abducted by government agents in an unmarked white van who handcuff me and I can hear them behind me say well where's the thing I thought you had the thing oh he's got the thing they're all wearing rubber gloves they put something on my wrist that looks like something you get when you go into a hospital and within 1 minute I feel like I'm on LSD to the point where I'm throwing up that's what the thing was you see they put me in a van they start interrogating me I escaped their custody how'd you do that well you got to read the book it's a long story I make my way back to Nashville I pee in a cup I say I got him I'm going to show my news director at NBC that I've been drugged by this exotic true serem because I told them everything they wanted to know you don't have to waterboard anybody okay and I take it to a lab I give it to a friend to put in the lab in his name right cuz I don't trying to out with the CIA right right I check back with him a few days later he says Bart well there was a problem at the lab and I'm like well what problem he says well they had a breaking over the weekend and I'm like yeah so what he says well funny thing the only thing stolen was a urine sample and the people at the lab are like we don't know who you are but take your
business elsewhere and so all of this this is in my book never talked about it before because I'm already trying to convince people of this very difficult truth they really did fake the moonlanding and how do you know these folks that abducted you were government agents well they're the ones who monitored my phones who followed me from church who followed me to CNN who stopped me from getting the tape there who drugged me with something so severe I'm throwing up and hallucinating and then they're so afraid that I'm going to proved that I was drugged they break into the lab you know in the middle of the night and take only thing stolen was my urine sample gone the next day after again what year was this that was 1999 I'm going to stee sorry allergies um a truth you're allergic to truth no I'm allergic to whatever's in the air in Austin we were talking about it before the show that I made ton of people that have allergies alala tablets help me out a lot got to take like four or five a day okay um so this is 1999 and this is when you first get a hold of that footage that we watched earlier and um did they ask you where you got it what do you remember anything that they asked you I remember like the first two questions I was really concerned about the safety of my son I always think what would I do if I were them right and so I was concerned they would kidnap him and say you know we'll we'll give you him if you give us the tape right so very very first question out of their mouth I remember where's your son very first question can you imagine that and then the next question something about copies of the tape and I don't even remember it's a blur MH and I'm you know I'm literally in the middle of the night running away from these people X Files type of things that you know will make a movie someday about and just unreal what I went through and they really did go they're still keeping up with it you got to remember what's his name Ralph nater he wrote that book was it deadly at any speed and all all it was is GM simply didn't want to spend $200 per car to put in an airbag so you know what they did when Ralph nater was trying to get them to put they they s FBI agents on him to Hound him to ENT trap him with
prostitutes and drugs to discredit him only to not put $200 airbags in car imagine the harassment to a reporter who had proof that they faked the moon landing and now in my book that just came out we have an eyewitness who says he saw them fake the moon landing at Canon air force base and even admitted to killing a coworker to cover it up okay let's let's go over some of the things that people would say to try to debunk some of these claims and let's go over specifically the Van Allen radiation belts so what is the uh explanation the official explanation as to how the astronauts were able to get through the Van Allen radiation belt safely because I know that people have disputed this and it is something that people talk about all the time because it's the number one thing that people say well they they're contradicting themselves because we just showed Kelly Smith who said the field of radiation is dangerous that we need to develop shielding before we send people through this region of space so the shielding to send people through it so they don't die has not been invented as a 2014 also could have meant the shielding for the instruments so they don't no he said people we must develop this technology before we send people through I was agreeing with that but like so the instruments don't break so that the ship doesn't die which will then harm the people right but that that was what we were talking about earlier that but regardless regardless he says the technology to do that has not been invented yet think we found that out that in the full quote he said that they had it for the no he says we must first solve these challenges before we send people through this region of space so the challenges have not been solved as of 2014 so how could they have been solved in 1969 well the idea is that they they did solve them and then that technology was lost and they have to recreate it and they haven't done that yet really they invented the automobile and threw it in the ocean and now they're having to reinvent the automobile I'm just like I said I'm just Devil's Advocate but the point is that doesn't make any sense doesn't make a lot of sense no no it doesn't make a lot of sense that they Destro you said you were going to share your opinion about
what you think about it what do you think well there's no way I know right we're all speculating there's no way I know but all this [ __ ] looks very suspicious like mostly suspicious like not a lot of it makes sense just logically if you look at the Timeline between 1969 and 2024 and the amount of progress that has taken place in actual outside of Earth's orbit space travel it's non-existent by human beings another question is did they ever manage to get anything alive through the van Island radiation belts and have it come back to earth before they tried it out with people did they do it with a monkey did they do it with a chicken did they send anything into space and have it come back alive not officially they may have done an unofficially and not reported it because the outcome was not good right um when they did operations starfish Prime and they blew that thing up didn't it make the van Island varation belts worse in that spot that's what I heard that it that it added to the radiation there here it says some people believe that the Apollo Moon missions were a hoax because astronauts would have been instantly killed in the radiation belts according to the US occupational safety and health agency OSHA a lethal radiation dosage is 300 RADS in one hour what is your answer to the moonlanding hoax Believers okay total dosage for the trip is only 16 rad in 68.1 minutes because 68.1 minutes is equal to 1.13 hours his is equal to dosage of 16 rad in 1.13 hours equals 14 rad in 1 hour which is below the 300 RADS in 1 hour that is considered to be lethal also this radiation exposure would be for an astronaut outside the spacecraft during the transit through the belts the radiation shielding inside the spacecraft cuts down the 14 RADS per hour exposure so that it's completely harmless well I have a clip at cell.com where they talk about it's a show from the 1950s where they sent up probes with Geer counters and they say it's 100 times a lethal dose it broke the geiger counter because it vibrated so much again again these numbers of the amount of radiation in the vanon and radiation belts are from the people who faked the moonlanding mhm so what kind of proof is that so this is their saying the total dosage for the trip was only 16 rad
that's correct how do we know that because that because the people who faked the moonlanding said so what is the um source of this NASA NASA how what what I'd find another source if you'd like of what the vanal and radiation yeah let's do that let's find out Source that's how would you yeah that's a good question no one else why don't you Google how lethal are there's a CLI there's a clip from my book try another one try another article I'm just saying I don't know I'm supposed to looking for because deadly Van Allen is the only one that's been there really right right there there's a clip from my book at cell.com that has a scientist showing the radiation levels and talking about how it's a barrier between deep space travel he say so now what is causing that radiation well this magnetic field of the Earth causes this magnetic area which collects over however old the Earth is all those years radiation that goes nowhere so it keeps getting bigger and bigger and bigger it also Shields us from cosmic and solar and Galactic radiation and from people not getting cancer so it you have to have it to have life on Earth but paradoxically it also prevents you from leaving the Earth so it says the numbers along the horizontal axis give the distance from Earth in multiples of the Earth's radius the inner Van Allen ra uh Van Allen Belt is located at about 1.6 re the outer Van Allen belt is located at about 4.0 uh the distance of 2.2 there's a gap region between these belts satellites such as the global positioning system orbit in this Gap region where the radiation effects are minimum so there's a gap in between the two belts and says the International Space Station and space shuttle on this scale orbit very near the edge of the Blue Earth disc in the figure so or well below the vanile radiation belts so most of the space stations space shuttle travel all that stuff is in that area well it's below they're at 250 Mi the radiation begins at 1,000 mil right I think in 1996 the space shuttle went up to 365 miles one of its highest altitudes CNN reported this word for word the radiation belt surrounding the earth is more dangerous than previously believed so how is it that astronaut 600 miles away from it know more about it than astronauts that
allegedly went through it to the moon in back you see that that's not possible we have article after article that says that the radiation belts are an obstacle to going to the Moon we have George Bush Jr saying we're going to return to the Moon in 10 years of course he said that 20 years ago and he says but first we need to learn how to protect the astronauts from radiation uh why not do it the way that worked so well on the Apollo missions so what kind of protection and would how thick was the aluminum shielding 1/8 of an inch 1/8 of an inch and was there anything a coating on the inside of it that protected them further no just 1/8 of an inch of aluminum and how much protection would 1/8 of Alum inch of aluminum provide well half as much as a dental x-ray uh you know lead vest or or or less than that but they would experience much more radiation than that that's right now if this is saying that it's well below the lethal threshold is there any thing that disputes that is there anything that you can point to that shows that the van radiation belts are significantly more powerful than what they're saying like this article that you said was from CNN from the 365 mile uh trip let's find that that's in the film that's in the film if anything happened on the way to the Moon right I've read that just look just look for that part uh in the film that shows the animation of the Van Allen radiation belt and then those book clips and I said my book is interactive one of those clips has two or three links underneath it including documentation from I think it's called Scientific American from a 1958 publication that says that the radiation is 100 times a lethal dose we have an article to that linked in one of the video clips description 100 times a lethal dose it says so talks about the rad you know the lethal dose and so so forth and how much is in the van Allen radiation belt based on probes they sent up in the late 50s in which the Geer counters broke because they vibrated so much they said it was 100 times a lethal dose back when Von Brun said you would need three rockets Wayne 30,000 per more than the Saturn 5 rocket but all that stuff was buried and now they're you know rewriting history to falsify the moon landings so one of the problems is that if they did did fake it in order to
redo it it's even if the technology exists today to be able to Shield a craft to get through the vanel and radiation belts and to fuel it adequately to get to the moon to pursue that and to pursue that transparently where you have to explain the protection that you're putting in place because of the danger because of the measurements that we have because we did send the Orion up there we did send different probes up there to figure out how much rad is that would throw into question whether or not the original Apollo missions were true so if if it was even if we are capable of doing it today if those were fake it would stop us from doing it today somewhat is that fair to say yeah mhm yeah and it's one of those things like like I talk about with the UFOs it's like Lucy with Charlie Brown in the football like you always think you're G to get that football but nope they pull it away from you it's like this if if they do want to actually go to the moon and go to Mars and all and if we have the technology they're going to have to publicly address what precautions that they're going through in order to Shield people from the radiation if they're being accurate and honest about it well yeah Kelly Smith made an attempt to do that I don't know if it's intentional or unintentional but he said the technology necessary to protect astronauts from the radiation to the moon has not been invented yet so if it's not been invented yet as of 2014 and it's not been invented yet as of today it certainly wasn't around in 1969 and this explains that footage of why they're faking being halfway to the Moon because they can't even go halfway they can't leave Earth orbit and what a surprise 54 years later they still cannot leave Earth orbit that's why there's mannequins orbiting the moon because of the deadly radiation that's why well also because it's cheaper to send mannequins you have to keep them alive well they said they were going to send people in 2018 uh and now 100% behind schedule they can only send mannequins so if they could send people they would the fact that they didn't means they can't which means it's lethal radiation that's what it means well that seems to be the most logical impediment right that in microm
meteor well and the fuel and the fuel because Elon Musk he's a smart guy he says it's going to take nine fuel trips in order to have see you can find him saying that Jamie it's eight I looked it up oh I'm sorry eight eight fuel trips pull up him saying that I think he's made it more efficient now he's made bigger containers so now so what are people that are confronted by this information that wanted to refute it what do they say well the college professor I talked to said even a confession from buzzz Aldren that the moon missions were fake wouldn't dissuade him from the Glorious moon landings he would still think they were they were real anyway Elon Musk says it would take eight Starship launches to fuel up a single Moon trip Elon Musk isn't entirely sure how many Starships it will take I would just so for for that's without creating a new rocket to create a new payload to create the amount of fuel they'd have to take that's just what they already have just to do he said the moon landings were were a historical anomaly meaning they're out of place to have had greater technology in the past and in the future I believe he knows that the moon missions are fake but he needs cooperation with NASA to fulfill his dreams and he's playing ball I would probably do the same thing yeah yeah that makes sense um this again this is one of those subjects and this is why so many people are reluctant to take it on but if you even talk about the moonlanding being fake or entertain a person like yourself that says this you're automat put in the category of being a fool isn't that interesting if you believe the lie you're intelligent and if you believe the truth you're a fool not just that it's self- policed and it's uh policed by a large percentage of the population that will certainly attack you after this video and say why did I have you on this guy's a crack a crank rather what would what has anyone ever tried to sit down and debunk you cuz I'm inviting someone to do that that if they want to do that with you cuz once this comes out I know there's going to be a lot of people that are outraged the best way to stop it would be to someone for someone to sit down and go over in every detail why you're wrong and has anybody ever
done that I've never debated anybody about whether it was real or not nobody ever wanted to no one ever asked me to debate them I know that they were fake I used to not only believe they were real I worshiped them and if I can go a child right well through a teenager mhm and I admitted that I was wrong and still when I had all this evidence indicating the fraud I still gave him the benefit of the doubt that that million-dollar film that was financed by someone who builds rockets for NASA who knows the moon missions are fake okay that took seven years just to edit that movie that's 45 minutes long took me 4,000 hours what is this debate from 2002 on MSNBC with him and someone oh yeah that's Phil plate yeah I mean not a real debate it's like a one minute interview but uh he that that film took seven years to produce three and a half years into it I pop in the tape it says don't show to the public I hit fast forward it's the same shot over and over again the Blue Earth allegedly bouncing around I'm like well let me let me listen to that from the top we never played the talk by the way we I hear a third track of audio prompting them to fake a 4-second radio delay and I'm like that's not the window is it that's not the window the lights come up and then it dawned on me they really did fake the moonlanding so before that you were on the fence well originally I thought they went and thought it was the greatest thing I worshiped it by having pictures in my room for many years and it was just bill casing Bill casing coming out that and looking at the pictures as a filmmaker I'd become a filmmaker whose job is to make fake scenes look real and I could tell that they were fake backgrounds I could tell that the Shadows intersected I said still that's not enough proof for me to say such a thing as they faked it but when I found that footage of them faking being halfway to the Moon right in front of your eyes with a third track of audio of the CIA telling him to fake a 4sec radio delay that's it the two NBC news director agreed it proves they didn't go to the moon and the weird thing is Joe this is the Lynch pin this is the finger out of the Dyke you know the JFK witness list they say it's 200 people they knocked off to
keep that a secret 911 3000 maybe they killed 20 people to cover it up even though it killed the fewest number of people it's the one that will enrage the public the most if they find out because they waved their Flags they got down on their knees and prayed and they cried they gave them Medals of Honor they printed it on stamps and coins and they taught it in school the Glorious moonlanding if the public this is what the NBC news director tried to get me to understand which which I didn't understand until recently if the truth comes out it will bring down the corruption it's the Lynch pin the moonlanding fraud coming out has to happen or we will never have honest government ever again let's look at the apollo1 postflight press conference because this is a weird one because these guys just return from the Moon and they look like they're in a hostage video well they look like they're at the funeral of their mother it does not seem like these are happy guys who just returned from the Moon Scoot youre a little bit here we go so look how nervous they look look at Michael Collins fidgeting and obviously you would be nervous you're addressing all these people but it's the tone in which Neil Armstrong takes and then after this we're going to show the 25th anniversary speech which is one of the most bizarre yeah go to him talking let's right over it's developing and unfolding go back a little bit go back a little bit so you can hear from an adventure here we go it was our pleasure to have participated in one great adventure it's an adventure that took place not not just in the month of July but rather one that took place in the last decade we all here and the people listening in today had the opportunity to share that Adventure over its developing and unfolding in the past months and years it's our privilege today to share with you some of the details of that final month of July that was certainly the Highlight for the three of us of that decade we're going to divert a little bit from the format of past press
conferences and talk about the things that in interested us most in particular the the uh things that occurred on and about the moon we will use uh a number of films and and slides which most of you have already seen and with the intent of of pointing out some of the things that that we observed on the the spot which may not be obvious to to those of you who are who are uh looking at them here from The Sur surface of Earth the the flight as you know started promptly and I think that was characteristic of of all the events at the flight the Saturn gave us one magnificent ride both into Earth orbit and on a trajectory to the Moon [Music] our our memory of that actually differs little from the reports that you have all heard from the from those previous Saturn five flights and and those the previous flights served us well in preparation for this flight in in the Boost as well as the subsequent phases I we would like to to skip directly to uh the trans luner Coast phase and uh remind uh ourselves of of the chain of events that long chain of events that actually permitted a landing starting with the undockings the transposition and docking sequence this is going to go on for a long time one interesting thing to note there you see the two teleprompters there in the desk these are the only guys on Earth know what it was like to walk on the moon and yet they're being prompted on how to answer the questions um it they just look very odd it look very it looks very odd another odd thing was that Michael Collins said that he couldn't see stars but yet he wrote in his 1994 book about how magnificent Stars looked and also he
never left the lunar orbiter that's right and also when he's asked about stars uh Neil Armstrong says I don't recall and then Michael Collins to fill in for him to help him out says I don't remember seeing any yeah which he wasn't there they were all three orbiting the Earth so they had the same experience but he forgot so if you get the written transcript of that the I don't remember seeing any they change it to buzz saying it you see lightning strikes twice in the same place what a coincidence first a type O that says Buzz said it instead of Michael Collins and then in the video Michael Collins answering a question he should know nothing about having not been on the moon and it gets attributed to Buzz Aldren because it's not convenient but if you watch because they didn't have YouTube videos back then people got the transcript they said we need to correct that right Michael Collins wasn't there right so they said Buzz said it so yeah let's they're covering for it let's pay the 25th uh play the 25th anniversary speech because here's one of the craziest things near Armstrong first man on the moon doesn't give interviews doesn't want to talk about it doesn't want to appear publicly becomes kind of a recluse and you would imagine that a guy who uh didn't want fame and all of a sudden he's thrust into the public light like that would be a real problem he probably didn't like it didn't enjoy it didn't enjoy being the center of attention and said you know what I was on the moon but I'm just going to just lay back you could look at it that way or you could look at it like if you have a guy from a public relations perspective he's one of the most Valu able people to interview of all time he's the first man to walk on another planet he walked on the moon the first man to we we sent him to another planet he landed on our moon and he walked around we got video footage of it that guy would be a hero he would be everywhere they would interview him constantly just from a PR standpoint you would kind of force that guy to do some interviews and talk about it because it's the most incredible accomplishment in human history as far as what human beings been able to do it's the most significant technological breakthrough ever put a person on the another [ __ ]
planet right but he doesn't do that he doesn't talk to anybody and then he gives a speech so he G this is a speech at the 25th anniversary of NASA and he's giving this speech to like uh uh is it American valid victorians High School valid victorians like some of the best brightest high school kids when Clinton was President yeah and so this speech is so bizarre I've never seen anybody give a rational explanation as to what the hell he is saying other then he's trying to tell you that something is [ __ ] so listen to the speech in 1994 Neil Armstrong made a rare public appearance and held back tears as he spoke these brief cryptic remarks before the next generation of taxpayers as they toured the White House today we have with us uh a group of students among America's best to you we say we have only completed a beginning we leave you much that is undone there are great ideas undiscovered breakthroughs available to those who can remove one of truth's protective layers okay what does that mean what does that mean I think he's trying to say something you know that is one of the most cryptic things I've ever heard anybody say publicly you can also notice that he was looking down except that part he had memorized perhaps someday you'll be able to remove one of truth's protective layers about the moon lanting how about that bizarre as he's holding back tears in my opinion you know how many pictures there are of him on the surface of the Moon you know posing as the first man on the moon a still picture zero I went to the archives personally a vault I had the employees I said find me a picture of Neil Armstrong on the surface of the Moon a still picture they went in and out in and out scratching their heads he refused to have his picture taken he refuses to give interviews unless the president asks him to you see not a single picture because he didn't want to have anything to do with it it disgusted him I believe they asked him to participate in the fraud and at that point he was a noble man he said no thank you then they said you don't want to end up like APO one crew do you the guy's a test pilot I don't think threatened his life man or you could say
if you do this it's for National Security there's a reason to do this or you know involved in a cold war it's a very important thing that we achieve military superiority over the Soviet Union I don't I think he would have resigned and they wouldn't allow that that would bring suspicion so I think they had to threaten I think they would had to threaten this is all speculation though that's right it's my specul from years of research this video is not speculation and the video is crazy most people again are not aware of that video I think they threatened his family's life to get him to participate perhaps but we're just speculating right but the video again that's not speculation has anybody ever gone over that video and go well but it's real simple anybody ever knil to Grass ties in it like that's simple this is just very simple it's like we we went um another thing was that uh you could track the uh the this the the trip the entire way and that people were tracking it from Earth well that's not true the only people who had the capability of tracking it were the American government and the Soviets who were blackmailing us for knowing that it was fraudulent so so that's just speculation too though right it's like how were they blackmailing people is there any evidence that they were blackma mailing people well they they obviously know that the moon missions are fake Putin was not surprised it was around that time that we sold grain to the Soviet Union before cost even though they're supposed to be uh our enemy and around the same time after Richard Nixon said communist China is an enemy that CH that he went to China which is generally the inferior person visits the superior person you see and so he went cuz I think they know I think they found out and blackmailed them too and we know they are blackmailing NASA for technology in exchange for not blowing the whistle you know that for a fact yeah I interviewed a guy who works for the Chinese space agency it's on my YouTube channel right but that's just him saying that that's not that's his eyewitness testimony from talking to people who work there well I understand what you're saying but it's still like it's a guy saying it a guy who works in the Chinese space agency but if you're going to like he might not be telling
the truth like we don't have proof you know what I'm saying well you have to judge I mean people people are convicted and sent to death row based on the testimony of people all the time right but this is one guy saying something extraordinary and extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence it's not that extraordinary that China would find out about the moonlanding fraud and instead of blowing the whistle would blackmail as a more valuable tool of the information I think that's what the Soviets are doing to we being blackmailed it's another good reason for the truth to come out so we won't be blackmailed by China and Russia anymore what do you think would happen if definitive proof came out if Trump opened up all the files if everybody started talking about it and definitive proof was was we we we got to a point technologically where we are ready to travel to other planets we realize hey this is impediment and this this impediment could not have possibly been traversed by the Apollo Astronauts well if the truth came out acknowledged by the government it would be a beautiful beautiful beautiful moment in history because the faking of the moonlanding is so much more significant than if they had actually gone it shows the sad Fallen state of mankind it would be like throwing a glass of water in the Public's face they wake up they realize they've been sleepwalking and they look down and they're one foot away from a cliff it would be dead silence oh my gosh that's who we are not just as a nation but as a spe we can't even tell the truth about such a thing but wouldn't the problem then be we would have to revamp the entirety of government if if that's the case the intelligence agencies have done this if they really did Kill Kennedy if they really did fake the moonlanding if they really did all the things that we think they did like the no one would have faith in them anymore that's right and maybe that'll happen and so be it you know the stock market could crash the dollar could crash it could ruin the reputation of the United States of America but we have a gang green limb William Benny you know worked for the NSA for 30 years he says the CIA the NSA they're spying on the private cell phone conversations of Supreme Court Justices
to get dirt on them to Blackmail them into voting the way the CIA and NSA tell them that's a dangerous situation for a country to be in there needs to be a major major house cleaning I'm not even sure what would happen if let's say all the federal government ran on electricity and you could unplug it all with one plug I'm not sure what would happen to you and me and everyone else's life if we unplug the federal government I don't know why we can't just have the independent States of America and uh manage your own Affairs because they are so corrupt they're killing their own president they're starting war after War based on lies and fabrications right we have so many murders of people that they have done themselves the federal government is killing their own people and we're funding it it's wrong what they're doing is morally wrong our leaders are gangsters what are we missing like what what have we not covered we've we've basically done this right now we're at like three hours plus we've been talking about this what have we left out anything well I think we've covered most of we have the fact that Shadows can't intersect unless it's electrical light we have footage of them faking being halfway to the Moon we have the deathbed testimony of an eyewitness who saw them filming Apollo 11 at Canon air force base and we have the fact that you can't travel a thousand times further into space in 1969 on the first attempt with one minut the computing power of cell phone then you can 50 years later technology has never been better in the past than in the future that proves it if it weren't a sweet lie that people loved and wouldn't don't want to give up people would see the truth for what it is that's an interesting thing too that you said it's a positive lie it is yeah it's not a lie like that got us into a war that wind up killing innocent civilians that we know happens JFK is dead and all the people in 9 or 11 are dead regardless of who did it and why this is different this is taking candy away from people and giving them manure they're defending the candy okay um would you be willing to debate somebody if I get someone to come on here and and prepare and talk to you and refute all this stuff sure okay so we'll
put that out there because I would like to see that I would like to see how someone describes that a way okay and what they think about this because I'm sure there's eyeballs rolling and fingers hitting keyboards right now people are getting to get very outraged at this conversation but uh I don't think I don't think the right way to handle this is to not talk about or to silence someone I think if you're wrong the right way is to let you lay out your best argument and have someone refute that best argument so I hope that at least is attempted okay and uh you've been at this a long time B you you little tired of uh talking about the moon landing how long you been at this for it's a historic importance because the the faking of the moonlanding for mankind is more significant than if they' actually gone that they lied to the world embezzled money murdered their own people that covered up and to not know that truth is like having cancer and not knowing we have to know we can have a Great Awakening about everything else but if we still are deceived about the greatest accomplishment of mankind you see then there is no Great Awakening it's a spiritual issue it's it's a spiritual battle between truth it's ironic you know there was a famous writer who said about the Tower of Babel the monument to their pride became a memorial to their and if the truth comes out that will happen do you think that this is a subject that even intelligent people that get this information of it resonance it resonates with them that they're going to try to ignore because it's so controversial that you instantly get labeled a cook if you believe this the the problem with intelligence is people can be smart but only within a narrow field like I asked my doctor get this what do you know about natural medicine you know what they said virtually word for word all I know is what pill to prescribe for this illness that I was taught in University that's all I know they're intelligent within that narrow field but they can't critically think and universities are Universal thinking I was forbidden by the University of Pittsburgh after having a contract to speak to a student body group about the moonlanding fraud
they forbid it and the Free Speech free expression United States of America you see this is a major problem people are emotional about this they have to be willing to be wrong and people are so arrogant I mean a college professor teaching Aerospace who says if Buzz Aldren confessed on national TV that it was fake filmed at Canon air force base just like Bart said he would still think he walked on the moon anyway that's what we're up against this is a God to them the god of science is putting a man on the moon when it's really just propaganda all right Bart I think you've eloquently stated your case and I think you've been at this like I said for a long time so uh I'm really hoping that someone will sit down and talk to you about this and we can get further to the bottom of it because the arguments are very compelling the the the whole the the the actual raw facts are very puzzling the whole thing is very odd very odd case all this stuff people can investigate for themselves just go to sell.com there's 17 Clips they can watch for free and then decide for themselves okay thank appreciate you man no problem bye everybody [Music] [Applause] [Music]