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Joe Rogan podcast check it out The Joe Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day Cheers Cheers Che Cheers Cheers see bro you too you too and we're up what the [ __ ] is happening to yeah yeah great to be here man my man made it back made it back uh last time I saw you I don't know my eyes might have been a little crossed uh that last time I saw you was last night right that's before that's true that's true we'd start with that then but the last time we saw each other on a podcast yeah we got things went a little Westward we got a little toxicated so so absolutely so you know the whiskey kept pouring the whiskey kept pouring and that was when I was I had that van so I was I still have the van but at the time I I was I was kind of living in the van traveling in the van so I drove heavy Co this is like beginning of Co where it was like weird to be around each other like are we okay we got tested okay right we did got the covid test and then I had the van out in the parking lot yeah and uh and we started drinking the whiskey about Midway through the show and then um the next thing I know I'm opening my eyes in my van and it's the next day and I'm just like oh [ __ ] what happened on the show you so you know I think that maybe the last half hour of the show was such a blur I don't really quite remember getting the van but I had a nice sleep in the parking lot it was amazing and uh and uh then I kind of was a little nervous about like geez what that's a that's a weird feeling when you don't know what you said don't know what you said yeah and uh and I called my mom and uh everybody seemed you know like it was people thought it was funny but I mean I I think she was a little concerned about the drinking the amount of drinking but no that was that was a great time but I'm not it was fun yeah it was a great time it was fun so we got a little off the rails you didn't have to go anywhere your van was parked it was awesome it was awesome what is it like sleeping in parking lots that's got to be an odd thing well I rarely did I rarely did that in the van it was mostly out in these remote desert Parks like out in Bureau of Land Management land
BLM land in the desert and I was going around filming and uh and so I wasn't but I there was a couple of times I'd sleep in a truck stop because I was wanting to make a lot of distance so I'd drive until I kind of couldn't keep my eyes open then I'd pull over at a truck stop and sleep between sketchy proposition right you don't know who's around yeah well in the desert it's it's a little more nerve-wracking cuz you're all alone out there and uh and people can see the van and the distance and uh it's pretty nice van that's when the aliens come too uhhuh all alone I was hoping for that but uh nothing no uh no aliens I had I had a nice flyover from uh you know us uh fighter jet in the Trona Pinnacles in this amazing part of desert in California oh yeah and uh and I was the only person there and I could tell this fighter jet saw me and he just kind of came in right over right over say hi yeah yeah and I didn't get my camera out in time and I flew in one of those ones yeah the Blue Angels oh yeah yeah God it's insane when you realize what those Jets can do and I think what they were flying was like an fa8 see if that's true nice yeah I think that's it that's what we did and uh I believe they are actually I think they have even more capable Jets now cuz this is when I want to say this is like 2003 two something like that way back in the day I have a plaque you know that says you you flew with the Blue Angels pull major g-forces I've never been in a fighter yeah I did I think I did six and a half G's something like that and I stayed conscious but then I blacked out when I forgot to do the hooking on a lesser run like it was lesser it was like 4 Gs or something like that forgot to do the what's oh I'm sorry you you when you're um when you're going through high G's you do a thing called hooking I think that's how they say it where you hold on to the the joystick or you can hold on to your straps on your legs if you're the pastor like I was and you go like this and you're lit Lally forcing blood into your head to St conscious so while we're doing this I'm feel that's what you're doing see how she's doing that nice see how she's doing it yeah thought you could hear it so this
is why that's how you stay conscious that's how you stay conscious you have to force the blood into your [ __ ] brain it seems like it's kind of slightly on the edge of not being a perfect system right like I well it's like you got to be a bad [ __ ] to fly those things those those guys were all lifting like all those blue angels piles they were all jacked they all like super diesel yeah because these guys are just [ __ ] R your girl they're wrestling with that thing yeah like it's not as simple as like you're CH you're like the physical force of going to 6GS is so extraordinary you haven't felt anything like it in your life when you're and these guys can go to like 13g some of them yeah I don't think it's [ __ ] insane I don't think I would want to do that actually I would probably just I I sometimes don't want to do those kinds of things you don't have to do it yeah yeah it looks it looks amazing but I just feel like I'm glad I did it yeah yeah for sure yeah just as a wakeup call like you think you understand you see a jet and I think of it almost like well obviously like driving a race car is very difficult right but driving a car fast is not that difficult you know like if you have a good car if you buy a new car today that handles really well you can if there's no one around you can go pretty [ __ ] fast and it's really in control but those things are different man it's like there's a physical experience this it's so fast there's so much power and force behind those things you got a plane yet you're getting a plane Dr [ __ ] that no no bill bur Pilots Bill bur flies around in a goddamn helicopter took me up around downtown LA we just you can fly wherever you want a helicopter yeah helicopters are are even more of a a no no for me I because they they seem to go down a little too much you know I've been in a few I I flew a black in a Blackhawk through you know Baghdad and uh and did one of those Uso tours went did stand up over there back in 2003 how was that that was uh pretty pretty wild experience it was it was right before like it was probably fortunately for my uh nervous system right after the mission accomplished banner and right before [ __ ] hit the fan with the IEDs so I was
kind of thinking oh it's okay no big deal and we were over there in the green zone and we were flying around in the Blackhawk helicopter one night they said you want to go out on a night Patrol in like a tank and I was all set to go and then then they had to cancel it because of some sort of attack and then we started hearing there's some stuff happening and the we were there for a few days only but they started avoiding you know stuff on the road and the Humvees and then the second I got back to uh to uh you know State Side the that's when it started to get real real bad over there but I did a few of those I did Afghanistan as well and was on shinook helicopters oh wow my dad was military so that's why I'm that's why I'm rocking the Canadian Army jacket Canadian Army we've got an army I heard recently recently heard about it they didn't fight too hard against tyranny here we go no it's uh well we did you know actually we fought pretty hard against uh the Germans in I mean the internal yeah oh yeah I know I know I know I know internal government tyranny yeah it's it's fun I you know I watch your show all the time Joe so it's like I know I'm I and I'm a very proud Canadian so Tom you're the granddaddy of the show uh the granddaddy well yeah I don't know about that but I mean first of all you've always been very uh uh nice to uh you know give me a shout out about those early days of broadcasting in the living room huh well dude you're an awesome guy I've always loved you you're always cool to be around and you also your show in 2007 when I went on your show that was 100% a major in ation for me to do this because I remember thinking oh my God he figured it out like I remember I remember very clearly like sitting next to you on that chair going dude you this is it like this is it all you have to do is figure out how to make money with this yeah you said that on the show which was hilarious and then you figured that out yeah you really figured that out that's cool that was The Missing Link damn it but uh no no that's amazing though it's uh you know I remember when when we were doing it I had uh you know I always wanted to do a talk show when I was growing up I loved Letterman right and I done my show on uh you were great at it
yeah I I really did enjoy the the first show was more you know me out in the street doing crazy stuff and then we did a a talk show which was a little bit more of a sort of a a nightly show a little bit more time to talk and I did I did love doing that when when the show stopped uh it was right at the time of uh you know technology changing on the web and um that was kind of always kind of how I I was kind of looking at technology usually because you when I was a kid I was in a rap group and it was from technology right I remember drum machines came out we were listening to Public Enemy and what are these sounds you know how do you do that right and then I would go work a summer job I'd buy a a sampler and a Kai s900 sampler and a tari computer and you know I'm making beats in my parents basement in Ottawa Canada no no one's making beats in Ottawa Canada you know we started this group called organized rhyme and what year is this this was well we started in mid 80s and so this is all pre- internet yeah pre- internet yeah yeah this was high school so how are you finding out about all this stuff back then well that was you know friends at school were listening to rap music so friends at school were like hey you got to check out Public Enemy you got to check out boogie down Productions I'm like boogie down Productions then you get it someone give you a cassette of like the criminal-minded boogie down Productions bridges over album and you're listening to it and they're rapping about Scott lck their DJ who'd been you know unfortunately you know passed away in bad circumstances he was shot and killed and then you're listening to this sort of that was the internet to me you know was was rap music and skateboarding Thrasher M Magazine with skateboarding you'd read stories about skateboarders in California and a magazine you'd listen to rap music and hear stories about you know people who were not in Ottawa you know doing doing cool [ __ ] and uh and I was kind of want to get up on stage and perform I was I was kind of dabbling with standup as a at the at yuck yucks in in the comedy club in Ottawa and uh so when did you say dabbling well I was doing standup I was doing standup but I I never really got
to really you know a level where I was kind of I was doing it every week I was going down every week for a couple of years and actually the reason I stopped was because uh the the the the rap group got kind of a sort of a record deal basically and went focused on that for a while and stopped doing standup but yeah the club in Ottawa yuck yucks in Ottawa still there it's moved but it's um it's owned by Howard Wagman who's uh it's yucky Yu is kind of like the Improv of Canada you know it's chain all across the country Mark Breslin I'm sure you know Mark he's uh he started it and uh and it's uh he's kind of like um it was it was it was wild because like I don't know it was something about the 80s the 90s before the internet right you'd go down to a comedy club and you'd find out about stuff just through Word of Mouth like the rap music and like comedy so I would go down to the comedy club and I remember nor McDonald would come through and he was probably 25 years old right and I'm 16 in the audience and then I got to become this huge fan of norm and he was Norm but back then there wasn't a lot of people do and stand up like Norm like there wasn't this sort of angle of sort of this absurdity to it this this sort of this sort of it was a more of a structured down the-middle way of doing standup back then and and so Norm was this sort of you know you know was a curveball sort of curveball and we just couldn't get enough of it so every time we was in town we'd be down there but Howard Wagman told me this this story about norm and uh you know the first time he came down to do uh standup at yuck yucks in Ottawa and he got off stage and he was disappointed in how it went Norm was he said never doing this again he walked down the street Howard Wagman chased him down Spark Street in Ottawa and said no that was great you're coming back and you made him come back and the rest is history Norm was a legitimate genius yeah like a genius of life like like a a rare specimen MH like genius in not just that his comedy was brilliant but just just like look at this I've never seen this before like a totally different kind of human yeah you know and genuinely always funny like every conversation was funny mhm he was just funny I was on plane with him accidentally twice Nice twice must have
been amazing twice on two separate occasions just totally random we sat next to each other and playing like whoa this is crazy yeah and the last one it was so funny because he was telling me about how he quit smoking I quit smoking it's a [ __ ] turns out it's real bad for you like this whole thing about quitting smoking and we're talking about it like how hard was it to quit this whole thing the moment we land he walks into the gift shop buys a pack of cigarettes and he's lighting them before he gets out the door and I go I thought you quit he goes I did but all that talking about it made me wanted to smoke yeah it's probably all an elaborate setup right he probably was planning it the whole way I don't know who knows he probably doesn't even smoke he was just doing was a gag no he was he was he was he was well he was into gambling too right so like people that have those kind of like impulse control issues like gambling is a big impulsive thing like [ __ ] bet I'm gonna bet on it let's put the bed put it put it all of it all of it you know that kind of wild crazy Sports gambling too that's not a good addiction to have especially when you have money right that's a scary addiction man I watch Dana White gamble I watch Dana White play Blackjack and he was down $600,000 and my [ __ ] hands were sweating I just I was going what what are you guys doing that's real money this is so crazy he does it every night yeah he does it constantly there's people that love it they love it they love the action it's thrilling for me it's fortunately I've never liked numbers like math was never something I enjoyed so when it comes to blackjack you're going You're I'm doing math in my head and I get very uncomfortable so I just I go I'm not going to be good at this that's a great reason to not gamble you hate math class yeah I just figured I'm not going to be good at this cuz I can't even really add up what I'm supposed to be doing here quickly so I'm just going to just sit on the side plus I'm cheap I don't want to lose money I'm not a math person either yeah it's a concentration thing it's like if you concentrated on math really got good at the basics of it and then really started getting into more complex mathematics it'd probably be very fun probably be
very exciting but the problem is I never concentrated in high school at all I didn't pay attention to it so I'm so removed like if people start talking about math like complex [ __ ] yeah God I checked out a long division long division I checked out like are calculators available they're pretty much everywhere right and aren't there's like an unlimited supply of batteries I'm like I'm out this is what I'm wondering you know now with with with our phones and our Google and everything like we we don't have to learn any of that anymore I don't know anyone's phone number we don't really have to learn anything anymore I know like Eddie Bravo's phone number I know my wife's phone number I might know two two other numbers yeah when I was a kid I had a hundred numbers in my head yeah MH you can call your grandmother I still remember my my phone number from when I was a kid yeah you could call your friends I could say it now but that person probably wouldn't like that very much I got my phone number memorized from when I was in high school it was our first phone number I couldn't believe we had a phone number I'm like wow yeah yeah yeah but that's we had phone numbers before but that was the first one that I've remembered and then we that was the first answer machines too right that was wild remember you would you would if you want if you're out and you're trying to meet somebody and they're going to meet you and then they don't show up and you want to figure out where they are you'd go to a pay phone put a quarter in it call your phone and then put your code in and check your answering machine or your voicemail from like a from the mall and you thought you were living they would leave a they'd leave a message on your answering machine to tell you Hey sir I'm going to be a little late and and then you hang up and then you know cost you a quarter but it yeah that was that's how crazy Everything's changed in such a small amount of time you were gone no one knew where the [ __ ] you were absolutely there was there was no snap map kids today they look at each other on Snapchat Maps where they all know where they are at any moment in time there's no Shenanigans yeah no I was thinking about like how when I was a kid you know we would we' be able to very
easily manipulate uh you know the situation with you know my parents and say okay I'm going over friend I'm going to Bob's house go drinking and skateboarding all night and yeah no you that that was better like that you know these kids today they're tracked everyone's tracked it's not your parents it's the government and we're not going to be able to really get get rid of it now too that's the thing there's no there's no way this is going to turn back no one's no one's ever going to decide this has gone too far it's just it's it's just going to keep escalating and getting worse and and and my eyes are getting bad because I'm sticking I'm I'm I I find myself addicted to the phone as much as I know that it's happening I'll get on that Tik Tok and I just start scrolling through stuff and then oh [ __ ] like two hours just went by you know and my eyes are getting blurry and it's really kind of starting to it's useless piss me off to be honest with you yeah I for me it's Instagram I don't have Tik Tok but I use the Instagram reals which God damn it it's so nuts like one after the other and it's so interesting watching this mad scramble of people trying to figure out a new way to get your attention whether it's through like shooting a bow and arrow with your feet over your head at balloons you ever seen those gals that do that they stand stand on their hands and they have a bow in their feet and they have their legs all the way over the top of their head and they draw the bow back with their feet I saw another things kind of like that but there was no bow and arrow involved but yeah yeah yeah this is a thing yeah yeah that sounds good that sounds good are they are they wearing clothing as well or no why would they be wearing clothing oh okay cool yeah no they like bikinis they're hot most GS with that kind of Mobility with your body you're probably pretty hot yeah absolutely yeah how could you not have a hot body if you could do that if you could get your butt over the top of your head and have your legs pull a bow back and then aim it and shoot it what I certainly can't do that who'll [ __ ] do that I mean what percent what percentage of the population can do that see and this is this is kind of I think where we started with us was you
know how did I find out about rap music how did I find out about Norm you we had to use a certain sense of creativity and we had to go out of our way to find out about stuff right you know and and and so it it sounding like some couple of old guys here we are a couple old guys complaining about but that's what we are now how the world was better before but I don't think the world was better before yeah I don't think that's true there's some aspects of it like that I think forced us to be just a little bit more creative and think out of the box because we or or at least in a different way because you you'd go find some drum machine where you'd go down to the little comedy club in Ottawa and know standup comedy wasn't a mainstream thing then you know it was it was pretty big but not in Ottawa it was sort of almost like you felt like you were going somewhere that you weren't supposed to go go down in the basement yeah was 16 years old I'm in a bar you know and there's some guy on stage and they're not talking about nor McDonald on on television yet he hadn't gone to SNL yet I remember I'd see him and my friends would see him and then we go to school we tell our friends you got to go see this guy nor McDonald he'd come every three times a year and every time we come we'd be there and it was just like this sort of myth it was a mythology to it you know then all of a sudden he got we heard he moved to he moved to Los Angeles cu's writing for Roseanne you know and we all heard about this and it was this sort of you know all the you know the amateur Comics the up and the kids up there are doing it and well I guess I was the kid doing that everyone else was kind of in their 20s but and 30s but everybody was just kind of like there's hope we can we can get out of Ottawa man you know so yeah you know and something there's something out there and then SNL and everything it was just amazing to watch watch him do that but and you know I was having a good chat with uh with Adam at at the club you know about Norm because he was of course famously his his sidekick on his show so it's such a shame to see Norm disappear like that and just uh he was talking about coming out here too M yeah yeah so but it's it's you know so much has
happened since I was here last I got a lot of stuff wanted first of all before I start talking about uh me though I just wanted to say thanks for having me at the club this weekend pleas so stoked the club is amazing it's and uh and uh it's been hanging out with there for the last two nights and I came in a little early and uh wanted to hang out and just uh settle in and man it's just such a vibe there it's just such a perfect perfect Comedy Club you did such an amazing job you're the only guy that brings his dog everywhere that's not annoying Maybe ever yeah yeah maybe ever yeah and everybody loves Charlie yeah everybody loves Charlie could be a Charlie Charlie's in here with us now yeah yeah Charlie's a sweetie Charlie um is uh I got Charlie right before I I came here the last time um she's named after the John Steinbeck novel Travels With Charlie um because uh I was out in the van and that that book's about Steinbeck in the 60s got a camper made a camper van out of a pickup truck and he drove across America and he wrote a book about America and its differences it's called Travels With Charlie in search of America and uh and uh I got I got Charlie at a rescue called Thrive is the name of the rescue which is actually run by Jimmy durante's daughter in San Diego enter the Entertainer Jimmy Durante who it's like a a ranch in San Diego and they bring these dogs in from uh from the Bahamas in Mexico they're called potcake dogs and um Charlie anyways we uh we went out in the desert and everybody loves Charlie like you said there's Charlie Charlie looks like she was just taking a nap she like what the [ __ ] you wakeing me up for Dad but uh I just taking a nap the funniest thing is Charlie actually goes on stage with you we should tell people yeah she just chills out up there I just kind of take her she got to be so weird when you're killing all that noise she's uh she's she's kind of used to it but isn't that strange what a strange experience for a dog yeah yeah to be in the Bahamas yeah and then all of a sudden she's on stage with Tom Green that's right she she left a is cheering and she's just sitting there like what the [ __ ] is this life yeah yeah i' look at her sometimes and wonder she left at five weeks old the Bahamas so that that was a good thing
she got out there five weeks old and then was in San Diego she got adopted by somebody else for three for like three months basically and then uh they couldn't keep her I got her at 3 months and uh and uh you it's funny she grows up in the Bahamas then she goes to California and then uh then I moved back with her to I moved back to Canada since I was last year and I left Los Angeles following in your footsteps The Exodus continues um it wasn't just me man I keep getting like labeled as a pi Piper this but come on everybody was leaving yeah I gotta say though like uh you know there's a lot of factors to to change my entire life I you know I I sold my house at around the time right after was here um and that was the house that you did the Tom Green Show for that I owned for 18 years that I did the webble vision show in webble Vision we called it and why don't you do a show now so I'm actually I'm building a podcast studio in my barn it's in a unheated uh uh Century Barn and you going to heat it uh no not going to heat it no uh but you going to have conversations where you're freezing it day yeah we're going to wear really warm jackets that's one thing that's cool about Canada like people people talk about the cold and how you know [ __ ] cold it is up there but like the cool thing about the cold when you get when you kind of get acclimated to it is you can kind of regulate your temperature like you wear a really warm arctic jacket yeah in the barn while you're doing the podcast we probably move it in at some point also you can die outside you can die yeah yeah it's a different thing yeah yeah it's a different thing and it makes more resilient people yeah I think it makes better people I really do I was I was thinking about how you do there's the barn yeah you're freezing your dick off son first of all that's my dad that's my dad there yeah so yeah if you know what you should get sponsored by like uh one of those um like heater bodysuit companies like for deer hunters when they sit in those blinds yeah they if deer hunters when they sit in tree stands you know how [ __ ] cold you get yeah see if it's cold out that's one thing but if it's cold out and you're not moving that's another thing that's another thing you could be it could be
[ __ ] Zer degrees but if you're hiking you're fine well I wear these we're talking actually talking to sponsor right now they're they're might sponsor it they're they're they're this uh clothing company Baff and and they they make the warmest jackets right so it's like you can really regulate your temperature right and that that's the thing like if you know how to do that because I uh I got I it's been a lifestyle change I bought I got this Farm I'm on a farm now that I live on and basically I'm going to live there now for the rest of my life I know it I'm never going to leave this place I love it so much that's awesome it's it's a Wilderness Area with I enjoy your videos from there looks like you're really enjoying it I am really loving it you know it's just it's just such a a peace of mind to get up in the morning and I've got this mule and I got my strap there on the side on yeah I got my mule and uh this is a whole new thing Joe I mean I don't know I didn't first of all I didn't know anything about um uh horses and mules but I got a mule and a donkey and some chickens and so a mule is a cross between a donkey and a horse correct is that it works and I did not know that a year and a half ago they're supposed to like the most resilient animals for like riding trails and stuff so mules are so yeah I it's sort of all it it it all started with I found this property and this farm and I wanted to be outside and then there was these two old barns there and I would look at these barns and I'd say they were kind of calling for something to be put in them they were 100 years old there was stuff St stored in them and so uh some some friends of mine and I we kind of cleaned up the Barns and uh we I got this mule and this donkey and so initially the idea was I thought a mule would be kind of funny right CU they're they got bigger ears and they're kind of I was thinking Three Amigos I was thinking a donkey I was thinking a mule was a donkey I didn't even really know that much about it but um and I started looking for a mule that you could ride and there's not that many mules in Canada they're much more of a Southwestern you know American thing you know George Washington bought brought mules to America it was a big part of uh
you know settling America with they would use them for farming he brought them in yeah he was instrumental in being a big part of getting mules here they would use them for you know harvesting you know pulling you know uh harvesting crops and doing all work around the farm and Stu theyve also been used in war a lot they've been used in military so Pioneers prefer them to horses yeah they're extremely strong and they're very very smart they can go longer without water too longer with Y they use less water less less food my friend clay Nukem is actually a mule expert okay he's been on the podcast before and he talked about fancy mules and like how you pick a mule and training a mule oh I want to I want oh I follow him actually I follow Clay on Clay Clay's interesting on on on he's got a podcast called the bear grease podcast uhuh you know it's a lot of it is about bear hunting in Arkansas oh nice just interesting like outdoor stories like he's a very very interesting guy but he just knows a ton about mules well the thing that's so crazy about them is they're extremely smart to a point that it's you know people say stubborn as a mule it's it's not really stubbornness what is it what is it self-preservation so they figure out basically I'm I'm riding this animal now she's a very big meal as you can see she's a very big meal she's called 163 hands is the way you measure horses and mules and she's as tall as they get her mother was a uh a horse so uh a Peron paint mix so it's a peron's a Workhorse almost like a Clyde stale so she gets her size from that and her father's a mammoth donkey and she's 10 years old a mammoth donkey yeah a mammoth yeah what a great name yeah yeah it's it's it's it's a it's cre it's definitely created a very large strong serious animal I want to see a picture of a mammoth donkey yeah how big are that there we go yeah yeah so you can sort of see whoa look at the size of that [ __ ] thing that's a donkey yeah holy [ __ ] dude and you can ride those too so and that's but our our donkeys harded between 900 and 1200 lb yeah our donkeys harder to train than mules I'm not sure the answer to that I'm not sure but I know that mules are easier to train than horses so I would assume because they
they learn mules are sterile they're sterile yeah so a uh it's a hybrid animal and it can't breed which is isn't that fascinating that um like a male of one species can breed with a male of another species they make an offspring it's alive it has testicles it has sex drive it has everything can't breed is that weird so the horse has let me get this right I've been I've been trying to learn as much about it as possible because I'm riding this thing and I don't want to die because uh you can fall off it and it's it's not fun falling off I've fallen off a couple times have you really yeah I wasn't too bad yourself uh yeah out there in the middle of nowhere yeah it was the it was it was my own fault I was streaming on Instagram and not paying attention that's a good for beginners don't don't don't let go of the rins and play with your phone while you're riding on a 1400 lb mule Fanny's 1400 that's [ __ ] huge man but yeah I guess I guess it's a horse has 64 chromosomes and a donkey has 62 and so when they breed they uh take one of it ends up that the donkey the the mule has 63 chromosomes which is not an even number and therefore makes it sterile so this is this is what I'm trying to so that's what is even number something kind of complicated like that is it fasc fascinating though that nature figured out a way to stop everything from [ __ ] everything and just getting it pregnant isn't it like Nature's like we got to have a system in here because that's just that's untenable that's going to lead to chaos like if humans imagine imag humans could get other things pregnant everything would be a hybrid of a human everything yeah like be a lobster human hybrid some somebody would do that you know Island filled with Turtle people people walking around with exoskeletons going hey this ain't so bad you going be on Island going I can't believe someone [ __ ] a turtle yeah and there's going to be this guy like with a turtle shell on [ __ ] you you know he's going to be mad at you like I'm just saying cuz people are insane insane I mean somebody has probably [ __ ] a turtle 100% someone's [ __ ] a turtle right if you had to bet everything you own sure 100% a guy somewhere has been hopped up on some
[ __ ] Vietnamese Street meth right [ __ ] the turtle of course yeah probably American probably an american guy from the south West over there hiding from the law or something and he's methed up and he [ __ ] a turtle yeah people [ __ ] everything but no result because of the power the Nature has uh made these protections thankfully the wildest hybrid of course is the liger yeah because they they miss the gene that regulates size yeah they they don't have the same gene that like a tiger and a lion does I've seen those I forget which one how does it work is it a male lion and a female tiger or a male tiger and a female lion I forget which one it is but in that combination when they make a lier they just keep growing they're so big yeah I've looked at these on the internet these I don't I you know the thing is is I guess I guess a tiger and a lion and a donkey and a horse are close enough together and evolution to be able to to uh do this and there's I guess no animal that is close enough to us to be able to luckily close enough because you know they've done experiments with may we just Haven maybe just nobody's [ __ ] the right thing yet to figure it out I bet someone pulled it off in China or Russia or something like that they probably got some chimp human hybrid somewhere I've heard sort of uh internet conspiracy theories that there was a a Russian uh experiment that went arai or something like this but there was this one very strange case of a chimpanzee that they call Hume and this chimpanzee had very humanlike features and it lived with a family uhhuh I forget if it was a family of researchers I forget the story but they always end tragically because those things ultimately as they get older they want to be the boss it's a big male and they're going to just [ __ ] you up they're going to bite your fingers off or bite your friend's finger it's always something like that they always do something horribly horribly violent eventually but this one that they had they had him for a long time and he looked like a human yeah look he it looked weird like and he stood upright a lot and he wore clothes he's got a big old donkey dick look at that donkey dick gosh the hum manzi of Orange Park first of all humzy is such a great name I mean
I almost wish it had worked just for that reason alone humzy I mean there'd be Humes going around but uh yeah I often kind of have little you can find the the there's some weird shocking pictures of it like that one in the upper right hand corner the one yeah right that and they're so strong click on that one look at its face it's got an odd face MH and there's some pictures I think that are probably doctored that made it a little more human looking the confused people but the thing like as it got older see if you can find the older pictures of it it looked real weird man yeah but it was just a chimp it was just a chimp that you know had been taught to behave that way yeah look at how he's walking he's walking like a chimp he's not walking like a human like look at the shoulders and the arms that's a chimp I sometimes think about the close calls I've had with a couple times with animals where I was really giving them the not like just understanding the power they had like I had a chimpanzee on a show I did once on on my TV show back in the day and you know it was a it was a trained chimpanzee but massive and uh you know I remember after the show I just said hey can I hang out with the chimpanze so it came out and I was sitting out within the parking lot for about half an hour just me and this chimpanzee right in front of me looking right in my eyes it was playing with the buttons on my shirt and you know the the trainer was 20 ft away and I just thought it was so the cutest thing and then you know you few years later I read about the chimpanzee ripping that you know killing people and how violent they are and you go man that is uh you know I had a I had a maca at one point which I actually had to get rid of you know Big Red Parrot you know maau and I got it in uh when it was 13 months old and this was my biggest disappointment I'd say with uh a pet because I had gotten this maau it's named Rex he was on the web show for a period of time I was after you were on that time but uh and I really love this thing and I love animals you know and I I I was I was so fascinated by it because I was realizing oh this is this is a pet that I'm going to have for the rest of my life and I was all dedicated to this and I was
really kind of somewhat moved by the fact that I was going to be having this beautiful maau for the rest of my life and it would it would pick my teeth and it would stick its beak in my mouth and you know literally like just kind of put it PL chew on my ear and all of this kind of stuff and uh then all of a sudden uh when it got to be about 13 years old it just became a real [ __ ] like it really really changed it had been going from this little baby to I couldn't put my hand in the cage without it really biting hard and almost took my finger off uh I had to go in the cage to clean the cage and I couldn't pick it up anymore and uh I actually had to find at a new home uh but you think it just didn't like being in a cage I'm sure it didn't I wouldn't like it like it myself you know and uh and and and that feels bad too that's a thing I don't really like about having you're a prison Warden yeah exactly I started to feel really bad so I took it back to the the the bird place where I'd gotten it and they said to me oh yeah we don't it's been 13 years later you know I've been SP I've been spending 75 bucks a month on walnuts for 13 years okay you know these eat a lot of walnuts and then uh they say oh yeah we don't sell ma cause anymore because when they get to be 13 they they they change and they become really really mean I'm like well you could have told me that 13 years ago but so I so it's like a like there's an internal clock yeah they like a puberty thing they like a puberty thing yeah and so so I feel bad but I got her a better home that's why it's scary to be in front of a chimp cuz the the chimp exactly they could just decide I have [ __ ] this guy up I have these moments where I think about the time when that maau would have its beak in my mouth you know months before it could have ripped my face apart sitting with that but the the fanny the this mule and I have the donkey as well who was her companion for her named Kia she was a 2-year-old donkey and uh they um the donkey will live to be 50 potentially and uh the fanny is a big animal so she could live to be 30 35 years old and so she's 10 now so so it's a big responsibility uh and I I really kind of consider them now after having them just for a short time kind of family you know it's an amazing thing but they the thing that's I think
the thing that's most interesting about a mu let me just kind of we won't talk about mules for the whole show but you know the they are so smart that they figure you out so I'm new to this so when I first got her I was given one day of training on how to ride a horse you know so I learned how to sat her up I learn how to get up on this thing you know you pull the rain you look where you want to go you push with your foot opposite of the of the side you want to turn there's a sort of little rhythm to that and it went great for about a month but then she started sort of figuring out that I was sort of Uncertain in what I was doing she started to understand that I didn't know what I was doing and so she starts testing me right and I don't necessarily realize that's what's going on so like how so so when you s when I'd be saddling her up uh she would move so I go to saddle her take the saddle it's a big saddle you got to put it up on her back put a saddle pad on then you got to put the saddle on and then she would move into me and kind of push me you know and I didn't really know how to prevent that cuz she's 1400 lb so I'd have to kind of lead her around try to get her back in position it became this weird sort of dance of me running around trying to get the saddle on I'd eventually get it on but what happens is she ends up losing all respect for me because I'm she she cuz I'm letting her sort of be the the leader right and and so mule really wants to wants me to be the leader and it's hard for me to be the leader at first cuz I'm uncertain so they sense they sense uncertainty so when I'm riding her and there's wolves at my place in the in in the woods oh fun yeah yeah real I got got a story about that too and there's wolves there I was showing Jamie before the show there's video of them on my trail camps but she sees them coming out of the woods at night she doesn't necessarily want to go into the woods she thinks it's unsafe it's not cuz obviously they're not going to attack her and me she's a giant mule but she thinks that so over time she started to not want to go in that direction she stopped wanting to turn left and so what would happen is I would I started to realize she didn't want to
go there so every time I wanted to go there I would get nervous I would feel uncertain oh she's not going to want to go there she would sense that I was nervous and it would double down and then she wouldn't go in there so I had to kind of get into this real sort of uh sort of a psychological re training kind of a mule intervention from the people that raised her I have so many questions hold on yeah it's it's really wild I just I I it's really interesting the intricacy of how you how you figure this out I'm did you have any training before you got a mule uh I I so she was she was owned by single owner uh up in uh Northern Canada in a place called Thunder Bay which is about 18 hours drive north of me um way colder up there she's like in Club Med down now now now in southern Canada she's probably loving it but um and her owners were uh Ka and Lisa who uh who have a they breed mules and they're called twister mules you get any training they they drove her down and they we spent about three days okay and they showed me how to sadle up and they talked to me about it and uh you know I I learned as much as one can learn in three days um you know there's the basics right right there's the basics like you know did you do a lot of it when when they were there by yourself like they just told you how to do it and you walked over and did it uh they spent time with me for about three days but this is kind of they're telling me I'm doing quite well cuz I actually am able to to handle this animal now but it's been an interesting Journey the last you know since June I got her in June cuz um cuz uh you know at first it's the the very first sort of on the surface way that you ride a mule is you look where you want to go lightly pull the rain on if you want to go left you pull the left lane rain lightly if if that doesn't work you but you you might not even have to pull the rain you could just look where you want to go and they they feel your body shifting they sense your intent and they and you you you have to look in that direction like Avatar when you link up with the dragon it's like telep it's like telepathy for sure it really is and you feel it and it's such a really cool feeling when you really get into the pocket with it so then you pull lightly
then you do a little push with your foot um and so that's all sort of very you know physical stuff um and it worked fine for a while but then you know I didn't quite understand the overall psychological sort of hierarchy that gets created and a trust level that's created between the mule and myself the more I screwed up Jus just even in the barnyard the more I let her get in my space you don't ever want to let a mule get in your space like gets in your space you a very sort of a you know easy way to control that is you can just put your hands up to her eyes like that like you know you don't even have to touch her right they don't like and then they back off I didn't know that right so I was kind of like I'm pushing it like you know trying to stop it realizes how small realiz how small I am and it realizes I don't know what I'm doing and it loses all respect and uh uh and so you start to kind of so once you start to learn a little bit deeper about how to handle those just on the ground with her then then once you get up on her she has a little bit more respect and is more apt to listen to you but it was really interesting cuz they they um they came back uh theyve been they're really great they're they're trying to bring more mules into Canada because they love mules and uh and uh they uh you know there is something very different and special about meals because of their intelligence and so it's really interesting they they came back and spent some more time with me and and we would go out we went out on the the trail and there's Fanny doesn't like ATVs okay so I've got this Polaris side by side that I drive around property on it's a noisy you know ATV four-wheel vehicle thing and they were driving ahead of me and to kind of instruct me and I'm following along and we're coming up the trail and they stopped and as we approached the ATV it's parked on the trail there's a space on the side I'm going to ride around the trail but in my head I'm thinking oh Fanny's not going to want to go around this ATV and we get up there and I try to turn her around the ATV by looking pulling the rain pushing my leg she just stops and when she stops and when she decides she doesn't want to go this
isn't like a little trail riding you know Carnival horse she gets going and will turn and really kind of get quite you know aggressive aggressive in a way and uh which is kind of exciting though I got to tell you and I was a skateboarder I pretty I got pretty good balance so I was kind of it's kind of interesting but the thing that was was uh wild about it so then I go well she's she's not going to want to go around the ATV I say to to Kaa and Lisa and they they say no no well she it's not that she doesn't want to go around the ATV it's she knows that you think she doesn't want to go around the ATV you have to think in your head that she wants to go around the ATV what yeah cuz when yeah cuz when when you're subconsciously whether we know it or not as human beings you know we didn't always have language right right right we we someone invented language at some point before that you were just kind of there all this nonverbal communication and energy right so you get up to the ATV and if I'm thinking she's not going around the ATV oh look look I just my whole body just went like that you know I sighed I felt like a sense of defeat right she feels that just through her saddle it's not it's not total like Voodoo she feels like yeah but there might be a little bit of voodoo possibly as well I mean mag attribute all that to body she feels it she feels it and she's so smart that so A Horse doesn't necessarily sense that as easily as a mule like quite a bit less easily so that's why people say mules are stubborn because they're sensing all of these little non-verbal cues that a horse might just be apt to say oh he pulled on the rain so I'm going to go that way pull he he pushed his foot so I'm going to go that way so and that's why also mules are also extremely uh you know they're used in war and they're used in Grand Canyon trail riding and things like this cuzz you know if a horse is walking along a edge of a cliff uh and a snake jumps out the horse might be apt to just jump the other way off the cliff killing itself and whereas a mule will instantly identify Cliff that way snake that way danger both ways mule will kill the snake it'll stomp out the snake so or or it at least won't jump off the cliff so it's that's way better yeah
better I think we should just oh I'll have mules I'll have mules well you should get a mule you should get a mule I definitely would not yeah uh have the time to be training a mule I it seems like that's here's my question though this is the other question I I got to remember why would you think that the Wolves would not attack the mule well it's not um first of all cuz like if she's scared of the Wolves you know Don she should I think she should be scared the W you know donkeys and mules but especially donkeys and mules half donkey so they're actually used a lot as uh as uh livestock protection animals so because they'll stomp out a coyote or a wolf so a lot of farmers get them put them in with their sheep and uh they'll actually protect the herd um so that's awesome so it's there's it's it's not impossible but it is pretty uncommon that uh that uh coyotes and in my area the wolves are not gray wolves they're timber wolves so they're not you know um as big as big but they're they're big enough though they're about the size of H so they they mostly kill like deer and whatever deer and smaller stuff they don't try for Elk or anything like that because the big the big gry wolves will take out Elks yeah I'm sure they you know take moose yeah absolutely moose are so big man for a wolf to take out a moose that's crazy yeah yeah these are the these are just my trail cams at my place oh wow look dropping the deuce right there on your trail cam staring you in the eye that's an alpha move right there son I guarantee that's the alpha he knows he knows you got that trail cameraa he's say Tom GRE green check this out [ __ ] [ __ ] right in front of your camera so it's it's you know it's the only way to know 100% for certain that they're wolves and not a hybrid I know you know all about this Joe but like the co Koy wolves is to do a DNA test and but but uh K wolf is kind of a misnomer you know because coyote is a wolf yeah yeah yeah the the reason why the coyote spread so far across the country is because they they have like a built-in mechanism to prot protect them from Grey Wolves cuz Grey Wolves would kill the coyotes whereas the red wolves in the east coast would breed with the coyotes and that's where you got the koi wolf I think they're viable I think when
they breed they can breed oh yeah I don't think they're like a donkey or like a mule rather you a coyote and a wolf I think when the when the like the koi wolves whatever they call them Koy wolves I think they're viable I think they have babies yeah absolutely no they are for sure yeah it's not really uh in it's not different kind like two different kind of dogs or something exactly exactly yeah cuz um I've been uh um getting some information about this from a wolf researcher up who lives near near me uh and uh he um has sort of uh put out some trail cams and we've we've actually laid out uh some uh fur traps that can get a little bit of their fur and we're going to send it for a DNA sample to find out exactly the percent percentage of DNA that wolf to Coyote that we have here cuz uh yeah it's it's kind of I don't know you live out in the wilderness you know you find these kinds of things are I find it quite interesting to just kind of really kind of dive into into it deep and try to figure it out you're out of there in the real wild you're in the wild where there's packs of predators in your neighborhood and I wish I had bare footage right now but I I it's not online but uh this year I put out my uh my trail camps and I got like I'd say a little more than a half dozen distinct different Bears on that exact Trail wow which is you know on my property right by my house brown bear or black bear black bear yeah yeah we don't have Grizzlies out east so it's just in Canada even it's all they're all not yet not yet the Liberals will try to reintroduce them you need more things to be scared of well talking about bringing Grizzlies back to California yeah yeah yeah I want you to come to Canada Joe I know I know you haven't come to Canada but but lately but but uh you got to come to Canada cuz here's the thing here's the thing I I watch the show all the time so I I know I know what you I know you're feeling about Canada but it's here's the thing like everybody loves you in Canada you know so it's you got I'm coming down here everybody is so stoked that I'm here and I love Canadians I just hate their government is that Pierre how do you say his last name po yeah well it's French so it's it's well I don't think he's French but the name's French Pierre
POV sort of a weird are silent R yeah it's a strange is as you see it written down it's very difficult that guy that guy makes so much more sense yeah he he's so common sense and just calling out all the nonsense that's been done under this Administration it's just so sad to watch so this is the thing that I I kind of I guess just wanted to throw out there which is it's it's it's not unlike here in the US right you've got Biden as presid now right and then you you've got a essentially a Democrat we actually call our Democrats the Liberals right that's how that's how unabashed we are liberal up there we actually call the party the liberal party it's not a bad word up there right they actually call them the Liberals and the other ones are conservatives and conservatives liberals and conservatives but it's the same thing you know like half the country hates the the party in power right now just like as much as anybody you know and it's just a constant thing and they want to get them out and and so you know I just I just wanted to you know as a proud Canadian want to throw out the distinction that uh you know Canada's you know it's like here it's the same [ __ ] that's here everybody's arguing about issues important issues it's being reinforced you know through these algorithms people get mad about it then they start arguing about so you know like I I sometimes kind of go wouldn't it be interesting if Pierre PV won the next election right cuz in Elison we'd have a conservative government up there and uh and uh let's say Biden won down here you got conservative government up there and then Tucker Carlson might be going up to Canada talking about how great we are all of a sudden you know because it just can switch on a dime you know it could it could go back and it has before I've had uh you know there's been my lifetime Joe Clark was the first conservative prime minister then there was uh uh Brian morrone and Steven Harper was pretty recent so but anyways I don't like talking politics but I do I did bring something about Canada that I loved I I want I want to okay it's a good thing I uh I'm trying not to talk politics too much CU it's like it's
gross it just every everybody gets all mad you know yep I just I don't [ __ ] I kind of think like wouldn't it be cool if the new thing became people start to realize that the division is almost worse than what we're arguing about well the division is absolutely worse than what we're arguing about most people want good things oh this is for you and your family a huge uh this and I brought one for us too just to try this is the freshest best Canadian maple syrup made by my friends the conboys Ryan and Jason shout out to Ryan and Jason George and Darlene and they make this on their property they have uh you know thousands of maple trees tapped and this is you know a family run business they've been doing this for hundreds of years like that is a lot of work yeah it's it's a whole maple syrup like making I've watched people make maple syrup on YouTube it's a lot of work it's crazy how much work is involved and it's it's really kind of incredible to go see how they do it because they've built these like I can't describe it properly but reverse osmosis machines where they have tubes coming you know with the sap from all the in the spring the sap starts flowing comes through these tubes from all through their Woods on their property it runs out to their their Barn where they have these machines that do something called reverse osmosis I don't know what it is doing exactly but they have to do it and then it goes into this giant vat with fires with wood burn fires and they boil the sap down until you know it becomes thicker and there's more sugar content and then you have this delicious syrup but I brought a couple of it's literally the blood of trees that you pour on pancakes it is and you know what are we going to drink it like in shot glasses I thought as opposed to drinking whiskey till we're on the floor this time I never made it to the floor sir you made for I maintained I don't remember what Happ level of motion and the ability to conversate oh my gosh okay well dude that's diabetes in a shot we'll just we'll just do a shot but I want you to see this is real maple syrup Canadian maple syrup it's Conboy maple syrup they're my friends they're the best best friends that I you know that you'd ever want and uh it's not your manufactured
of processed [ __ ] you know cheers do you have to do it like a shot no that's yeah you can yeah absolutely oh my God I can't drink this whole thing yeah it's really good though pour it on some pancakes it just makes you think like how much sugar are you getting from pancakes with a pile of maple syrup on you're getting a [ __ ] ton of sugar mhm how much sugar is in what is a shot glass how many ounces is that I should know this 1 ounz let's just see how much sugar is in 1 ounce of maple syrup yeah yeah God how could you drink that yeah no you don't really drink maple syrup right it's we're just doing it for a gag pour it on your pancakes it's amazing how good it taste on your pancakes no it's good in coffee put it in your coffee in the morning so I I I I I keep a big jug of it 17 gram in a shot glass yeah and I guarantee you if I'm having pancakes I am drowning those [ __ ] yeah absolutely so I got you I'll get you more whenever you need some it's it's it's the best it's different than waffles with that on it son M lots of butter oh yeah up to 20 up to 20 okay 20 so if I'm having pancakes I'm having 120 at least yeah I'm I'm P I'm pouring a bunch of maple syrup on that [ __ ] 6 ounces yeah easy easy 6 ounces like a glass of it yeah I'm getting in between the stack pouring a little in there it's just a nice little boost a little energy boost you know it's for like 5 minutes then you're in a coma for the rest of the day y y y y y absolutely yeah but I guess if you're uh out there on your farm [ __ ] throwing hay around all day exhausted I I did this this summer in August uh we I have some some Fields with hay we cut the fields and uh and uh I have uh some local farmers that help me cut the fields to square bales so you're really farming yeah I had farming for real for real farming hay for my for my animals yeah had 580 bales of hay off the property this year and we had to lift it all carry it all onto you know onto a hay wagon see because I'm going to try it a little figure out a way to do it a little differently next year but uh yeah normally they would the farmers that have done my property for years they've been doing it with these big circle round bales you know but uh I wanted to get square bales this year
because it's easier to handle for the horses every or the mules and the donkey every day so see every day I go to the barn I pick up a bail feed the eat a about a baale and a half of hay a day it's cool cuz like from May June till about the end of September you don't even have to feed them they're just out in the pasture eating grass um which I often think about you know when you think about vegetarians and you go how do you put on you know muscle with just ve and you look at this giant animal all it's doing is eating grass all day in there're massive but but um but yeah so that that I got a figure out a better way to get it in the barn this year cuz some of my friend they have to eat it all day long that's the difference between eating meat and eating grass if you watch predators predators eat and then they sleep all day but you watch a donkey yeah those [ __ ] are just eating all day long you have to eat all day long they're always eating y cuz there's not a lot of protein in that food it's got to break down in their weird digestive tract yeah undulate digestive tracked so Fanny and Kia come from a a pastor that had you know 20 other animals in it to this my place where they're just there by themselves with the whole field to themselves so Fanny was putting on some weight last summer I have to now kind of monitor how much he's out in the pasture I should correct myself ulet are cows and [ __ ] I'm thinking of like thinking of cows right the weird stomachs and stuff I'm not exactly sure how the stomachs work on these I don't know how those on aquines MH but I know that like the thing that you could get that jacked eating vegetables is ridiculous right that's what I was kind of thinking cuz I always kind of vegans always like to make that comparison look at gorillas they eat nothing but vegetables they have a totally different body they're also not humans yeah they're not human being you know it doesn't mean if you ate what a [ __ ] horse eats you'd look like a horse you dumbass you're not a horse and also do you know how annoying that would be to have to eat grass all day it doesn't sound like a blast not a lot of variety there yeah I think about that I have cookies
for them I have little uh I have little I have a vitamin uh sort of a vitamin mix of uh you that I give them every day is variation to their diet good though like for some animals when you you got to for instance apples okay I have apple trees at the property and she that's one of the places she loves to walk towards the apple tree cuz there's apples on the ground so she always you know you can feel her pulling towards the apple tree MH so but uh you know you don't want her to eat you know a bunch of apples cuz that can create acid in their stomach and they can get sick was wondering that like what happens to them in the wild though if they find a bunch of apples yeah it's interesting yeah I'm not sure [ __ ] up I'm I'm not sure if they I don't know the answer to that that you know but uh maybe they kind of somehow self-regulate when they're left to their own but you know you can feed them uh carrots and uh one thing I haven't done this yet but I understand that they really like I was just told cuz I'm actually thinking what kind of variety can I give the ladies you know so they really like a frozen watermelon to be tossed into there oh no kidding so and they'll just bears like that too oh yeah yeah we went to a grizzly bear um I guess it's just like a Conservation Center where they they have these enormous place it's in Montana but it's they have it's they're like captive but it's really an enormous in in like construction thing and the Bears have like swimming pools and [ __ ] and they would would uh roll them out these Frozen watermelons and watch them bite through a frozen watermelon will scare the living [ __ ] out of here right CU they go through it like it's nothing Grizzly does that I've seen hippopotamus do it on YouTube but Grizzly does that too I think most of the time the hippos are doing it it's not with a frozen one yeah but they were saying that this Bear's favorite treat is frozen watermelon so give them a frozen watermelon you just go through it like it's a grape see Grizzlies are terrifying i i i i i i although I admit that I am also actually probably it's probably not really a a warranted or or or fear but I am I am nervous about these black bears you know on the property you should be nervous what are you talking about they
do attack people occasionally they will attack you and if if black bears attack you they're attacking you to eat you yeah it's a little bit different statistically the odds are in my favor I think it's not as like Grizzlies they've attacked a lot of people I think black bears maybe only attack like you know one person a year or something like that attack people I mean there's a guy who got killed at over by ruter in New Jersey he was killed by a black beir yeah and there's a a friend of uh a buddy of mine went hunting for his very first trip he was in his tent at night and a 500b predatory black bear tried to remove him from the tent and his friend shot the bear and accidentally shot his friend in the wrist yeah so he got shot in the wrist with a rifle MH the bear gets shot the bear runs off after it gets shot and then they don't I think they recovered it I think it's dead but imagine your first night ever camping in a tent and a black bear tries to pull you out and eat you yeah so I think sometimes people bring food in their tent that's one common mistake so yeah your food [ __ ] your food your food your food in the tent your pigs in a blanket if you're bring in like you know you should really that is one thing that is why they go in the tents a lot they smell you know someone brought their sandwich in the tent or whatever but uh but yeah no I mean look I'm I'm I'm I'm not I'm I'm right there with you there there's something about it though that well you you know when you're out there in nature and you kind of you're you're sort of Natural Instincts kick in where you feel you feel it and the fact that the fact that there is something unpredictable and that you don't understand out there is um kind of EXC you know like the fact that there is you know I'm not really truly expecting to get attacked by a bear but you know your senses are on alert you're listening into the woods you know they're there you know they know you're there and they've probably left but maybe this is the one time where they're walking along with their cub and you get in the wrong position at the wrong time and so you know often when I go for a walk I have a bear spray on me I I sometimes you know have a rifle on me uh I don't carry it with me every time I leave the house but
I've got a few rifles and and uh that I you know I might I'm I I've not really been a hunter you know in my life but I I kind of so many people around me you know the country everybody hunts and uh I think I'm going to maybe how much land do you have 150 acres so it's kind of certainly hunt on that yeah and there's deer and it's it's quite quite it's quite um something that I never really expected to to to kind of live like that but but it's really kind of interesting and then it backs on to lots of uh you know thousands and thousands of Acres of protected Wilderness so they you know it's are you allowed to hunt back there yeah yeah and and on my property too so um what is the tag allocation like do you get landowner tags do you get tags because you're a resident of the area like you still you still have to get a hunting license so right in Canada you know it's uh if you want to get a rifle first of all it's uh completely different than in Texas right can't just go buy buy one you have to go take it's like getting your driver's license essentially you have to go take you have to write a a test and you have to pass it and you have to do a course a safety course and uh then you have to send that into uh the RCMP the the Canadian you know the mounties right they review it and then uh a couple months later you get your you get your uh non-restricted firearms license which allows you to go buy a rifle I've been collecting lever action rifles you know so I've got just you know I'm that's cool relatively new to to this but you know I uh when I was out in the desert I I I had a shotgun with me I had a hunting license when I was in New Mexico I was trying to hunt some Quail never saw a bird though so it was you know I was hunting but I never saw anything so I didn't really do it's it's hard hunt I was still hunting but I never saw anything so but uh yeah so it's uh it's it's it's it's it's there's that's why trying to think of what I want to tell you here Joe that's why I think I really would love you to come up to Canada sometime and visit maybe and come up and do some shows up there people would love to see you um and there's just such a huge outdoors hunting fishing culture that's what being Canadian is once you get out of the city
right it's people are just just it's people love to hunt people love to fish I go ice fishing with my my friends we go set up a didn't they put new restrictions on Firearms up there they just they just baned handguns absolutely yeah but not rifles yeah which is pretty extreme for from an American uh standpoint certainly I mean to think that OB own handguns do you have to get rid of them no you're not allowed to sell them to anybody and uh you just you're stuck with them so it's that that and that's the probably the biggest biggest um change that's happened in you know you there is also no uh automatic weapons up there so you can't get a AR-15 for example1 15s aren't automatic or yeah um that caliber or whatever whatever yeah you can't get those those weapons um but you can get a you know u a rifle a shotgun you know I have a I have a 38 I have a 243 I have a 22 I have a shotgun you know I have 20 gauge 12 gauge all all the normal hunting uh rifles are fine so what was the thought process behind Banning Firearms or Banning pistols well I don't I don't I wasn't really kind of I I think it was just uh an attempt voted on well they they voted for the government and the government did it so so you know um so uh you know obviously some people aren't too happy about it one thing about Canada is like there's the gun culture is different up there it's more mo more people are I think I'm I'm I'm going to get in trouble with the people that are handgun enthusiasts in Canada but it's just not as common up there more it's more about hunting and and uh hunting rifles and but there are probably a lot of people they're pretty upset about it for sure um but um you know it's uh you know it's they're not they're not actually taking away people's rifles or or anything like that so but um one of the exemptions is individuals train compete or coach in a handgun shooting discipline that is on the program of international Olympic Committee or the international par Olympic Committee looks like someone's going to have to become a shooter yeah yeah I compete I'm I'm personally not competing shooting that's why I have to have this gun I'm not really like I don't
really you know I like I like my lever action rifle I I like my shotgun I think I might might hunt turkeys this year I'd like to do that with a lot of turkeys on the property I'm not really uh I don't necessarily feel like I need a handgun um it's it's it's a different kind of uh I don't necessarily feel that anybody should tell me that I can't have handun especially not the government especially not the government that's already done some really shady [ __ ] like what they did with the truck drivers right well I'm from Ottawa too so the the trucker rally was was interesting dude they [ __ ] took away their bank accounts they They seized people's they closed people's and froze people's bank accounts that just donated money yeah is that coffee you know you know what I was uh first of all the trucker rally is was interesting cuz I'm from Ottawa so I grew up you know the Parliament Hill I you saw it on the news like the the parliament buildings is our is our basically our Congress and our our Senate combined essentially the House of Commons and the Senate you know downtown Ottawa is like Washington DC right that's that's our Washington DC I grew up there I grew up skateboarding on the parliament buildings front steps you know I did a radio show this is something about the freedoms of Canada that I think is interesting okay when I was a kid I did a College radio show and uh it was midnight till 2: in the morning and and I I would say during the show okay after the show everybody uh show up on Parliament Hill bring a soccer ball let's go play soccer and then we'd show up there with pizzas and we'd play soccer on the front lawn of the Canadian government till 4 in the morning every half hour the Bell would go binging the RCMP cops would come they'd shine their lights out on the on the field it was super positive right um I love Ottawa it's uh amazing city um and and I I I understand that everybody has the right to express their their uh their uh their uh descent right and I think Trudeau probably did overstep with some of his uh reaction to that with some of the things he said specifically but but there was also this element of Not only was the city shut down there's people lived downtown so there you know those horns were these air
horns there was there was really kind of there was babies sleeping it's like really like a neighborhood right M so it's kind of funny in a way the difference between Canadians and Americans sometimes I'm both right I'm a dual citizen I love I love I love fence Rider no I just I just love both countries you know I've lived here for 20 years I you know um I uh I um but what what um you know what is sort of a comparable thing i' think was you know what you know in the United States they on January was it January 6th they you know they did more than freeze those people's bank accounts right they threw them all in jail right so they threw a lot of them in jail yeah so it's sort of I'd say it's like a comparison comparable thing it's like I guess that's the thing I just kind of no that's different feel is it's like there sort of comparison on hold on first of all it's different because they entered into the capital building right right you're not supposed to do that they a lot of people broke glass they smashed Windows they did a lot of [ __ ] it was also it's not comparable because it seems like they were instigated in some way yeah at least partially by by people in the audience that wanted them to go in there yeah now whether those people were federal agents or whether those people are antifa whether those people are democratic operatives that want to turn this into chaos because it's a great way to attack Donald Trump yeah whatever it was there definitely was people that were instigating people to get into the building there's video recordings of it there's also weird instances of cops opening Gates letting people in the fact that it was severely underp policed when they had the George Floyd protest the black Liv matter protest they had way more cops there for that than they did for this crazy thing where the dude is denying the election and his rabid fans are going to show up and you're not prepared for this that seems the whole thing seems like if I was was going to make a Playbook if I was going to instigate a bunch of dumb asses to go do something really stupid because it will make their leader look like a fascist and and Hitler that's how I would do it so you have that too it's not as simple as the trucker protest was
a legitimate protest where a bunch of people were like why are you telling me that I have to take this experimental Med medication or I can't work like where is the [ __ ] information where is and now over time we've seen now that the you know the the studies that they did do they don't have to release them for like 75 years you know about all that like all the paperwork involving the vaccines what is what is exact ruling of like what information they withholding for 75 years let's be real clear on that but then it's also how many people we know that got injured by it you're you're smart to be reluctant to do something that's new given the history and track record of far itical drugs in this country especially when you have a novel new thing the idea that this is going to be the one that's absolutely innocuous you should at the very least you should be able to to to consider not doing it talk about not doing it but listen man there's no drugs like that there's no drugs that have a a gigantic effect on anything that don't have some people that have horrible adverse reactions to them yeah even normal [ __ ] M some people people die from Tylenol all the time man they overdose on it people die from all kinds of medication it turns out they have an allergy to it's like weird [ __ ] happens with people when you start if and people are right to be reluctant yeah but you might be right and you might be wrong but you're right to express that you don't think the government should be able to tell you what you can and can't do spec specifically about putting something into your body or you can't work that's crazy so that's that protest it's a different protest the whole vibe behind is different absolutely it is a different subject for sure it's in response to tyranny uh foyer requests the FDA had previously said that it takes approximately 8 minutes per page to process records for the foyer request and that it could only review and release 500 pages a month which is 6,000 Pages a year at that rate it would take 75 years to release all the data that's crazy yeah that's so crazy I guess to the point I'm trying to make which is outside of the weeds of it is when I'm hanging out in Canada half the people I talk to are so excited for me
to come down here and they're all like ju they're you know they were suppor of the truckers right like this was not like this was not some it's not some Fringe thing in Canada maybe the people that actually got in their truck and drove there and camped out there maybe that was a little bit more of a you know dedicated protester than the average citizen but there's you know it's just like here you know you get people [ __ ] Joe Biden [ __ ] Trudeau they chanting the you know you know what you would probably be amazed to see I don't know if this is so common in Canada that we just don't even really I don't even think to mention it driving around everywhere in the country in the city everywhere people pickup trucks [ __ ] Trudeau Flags yeah it says [ __ ] Trudeau Black Flag white letters Canada flag on it people are mad um and so it's not just like everybody in Canada is just down with it now enough people are down with it that he got elected but he might not get elected the next time and then then then that'll be just like it is down here hope he doesn't might just be like it is down here if he gets elected again you guys are glutton for punishment yeah it could be it could be the same as here Biden could get elected again Trump could get eled it's sort of like this is I was I was thinking the other day I'm almost kind of wondering this is obviously a stupid idea but I'm I'm wondering like maybe wouldn't it me almost be better if we just got rid of the elections and just let let the conservatives run it for four years and then just automatically the Liberals run it four years I I can pick a whole a million holes and why that wouldn't work but and just let it go back and forth and then people can just be like okay let's just all get along let them have four years at running the country do what they do let the other side run for four years it's kind of a pendulum that goes back and forth anyways and then we can kind of get back to you know just all getting along and uh well if even if that did happen the same problem would take place and it's that the people that are embedded that are running the government the real people behind the curtain they're always there yeah they don't get elected they're always there and those are the people that are actually running
the government which so it would be the same horeshit that we're dealing with now every four years some new spokesperson comes in play and they do a bunch of [ __ ] that pisses off half the country and at the the same thing behind the scenes the same people are running things yeah it's so frustrating and I got to the point where I started to kind of um just try to disconnect from the from the conversation which sounds sometimes I feel bad about it because you know you want to have you want to have a social you know contribution awareness but then you go man I just don't feel like talking about the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over again yeah but uh what I was going to say though is that you know like the whole system is set up so that one person can't be in control for too long that's the whole idea about term limits you got four years and then you get elected again you get another four years and then you're [ __ ] done MH I don't this I'm just saying this this is not something that I like fully support but there's there's something to be said for someone staying in there for a long time and getting it right if they're good at it yeah right I mean if I was backf in any other job it would backfire with power and control the problem is we are terrified of having someone like Putin who's in in control of Russia for decades right for sure but if you had someone who was good at the job you would want them to stay on the job like if you had the best CEO of your company you're making record money and everything's doing great and the products are incredible you'd want to keep that guy a CEO he's obviously killing it when Steve Jobs was running Apple he's killing it you don't want to remove him as a CEO because you know you know how long it takes to build anything right right and how long it takes to get good at job right and to figure out who are the right people who's who's backstabby who's you know who's [ __ ] who's you know what are the issues who's trying to climb the political ladder and they're just thinking about themselves only they're sociopaths figure it out it takes a long time to [ __ ] work your cabinet out work all if you had a a president that was a young president that gets in at like 38 40 years old and
20 years of running the country correctly that's what most of these dictatorships have as a benefit yeah it's horrible for the people but the benefit of having one guy run things and just keep it locked up and this is the right way to do it we've been doing it this way forever this is correct yeah it's interesting that yeah you got a couple the most important job ever in you new guy gets it or a new woman never yet but someday every four years yeah that's crazy and and and often trying to undo everything that was done four years before so that's what term Li limits brought in but then on the flip side you know we don't have term Li limits in Canada and Trudeau's going to be there for you know if you're if you're not a fan of Trudeau you go oh I wish we had term limits you know CU because he's been there over over eight years now right so uh and right that's voted out he might be getting voted out it seems like the Canadians are uh leaning towards getting rid of him is that correct you know it's one of those things where it's it's it's it's kind of feels like it's almost like 50/50 ultimately but who knows I think it definitely feels like it could happen who doesn't want to get rid of him who are those people a lot of it's regional it's it's I guess it's ex you know what you I I I keep I kind of if we I knew if we were going to talk about this I wanted to kind of sort of make this point cuz I again I want Americans to understand what Canada is it's exactly like here it's the same people that the same type of people that like Biden are the people that like Trudeau like the people in Canada that vote for Trudeau are the exact same people they like Biden too right there's nobody in Canada that likes TR Trudeau that also likes Trump there's also nobody in Canada that likes Pier PV that likes Biden it's exactly the same it's the same division even on social media it's the same like you go on social media you go on Tik Tok you got angry conservatives in Canada saying [ __ ] Trudeau and you know we're turning into a communist country and all of this stuff like completely completely the exact same thing as here so so it's it's just uh it's just if I was I'm not here like try to be a spokesperson for canidate or anything but that would they would not want that well I think that's
what scares us the most about Canada is that Canada is so similar to the United States but we're seeing your rights aod MH there's also weird bills that keep getting passed you know the c16 bill the you know mandatory pronouns mandatory use of someone's pronouns and then there was the fact that you guys don't really have freedom of speech you have hate laws you have hate speech laws yeah and then you also have some weird [ __ ] going on with Canada trying to regulate the internet yeah and with the government trying to regulate podcasts and make podcasts subject to their they did try they the they I I did a little research on this in case it came up um they they tried uh and they haven't they haven't put into effect uh that uh regulation of the internet of as far as regulating U disinformation that has not been put into effect and trudo actually said he would not put put that into effect it was a you know sort of a subset of you know it's it's sort of like uh you know you've got your extreme left wing here and then you have cooler heads and they did not actually put that into effect um is it still on the table he Trudeau has said that he would never put that into effect well I think he's saying that now because he's knows [ __ ] and so the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms okay that's kind of like our constitution I guess they they say we have freedom expression freedom of the press freedom of assembly so so we do have the fact that you have elements of your government that would even consider that yeah but it's like like it's like here it's like here and that's the the same it's the same thing like if you don't agree with it then it's the same thing is you know you know [ __ ] joee Biden you know it's the same thing [ __ ] trudo and so you know cuz because it's it's it's interesting like I I just really want you know Americans who are you know just not uh who've never been to Canada right to understand that like there's you working for the Canadian Ministry of I would consider it some tourism and travel you know what I was thinking about like in Canada you don't have to be born in Canada to run for prime minister you could run for prime minister of Canada and uh come up and uh and and solve all this stuff I mean you have to
live up there but it's a nice place you come on come on up to Canada you could you would win too that's the thing that would be amazing You' be you you would win and you could just imagine if I became prime minister of Canada can you imagine I was just thinking do you think it's crazy Donald Trump being president of the United States that would be next craziest thing that would be the next craziest thing more crazy almost more crazy because at least he was is like hinting about running for president forever yeah have I just on a whim just decided to go run for the prime minister of Canada and win cuz you would you would win because you have so many fans up there you really do and that's that's why I want that's so scary I'm so unqualified to run a country well I mean you've got a lot of uh you know valid concerns and uh you feel strongly about things I think uh you should run I would support you I think that would be amazing I want to roll up to the world economic Forum high on mushrooms see in Canada by the way mushrooms are basically legal in Canada now weed is here's a something Trudeau again not not he did legalize weed that is one thing that he did do so congratulations did one good thing it's just he's a weasel that's the problem he's what I don't like in leaders this fake [ __ ] [ __ ] nonsensical gaslighting I just that [ __ ] drives me nuts it's so creepy and then using all the inclusive terms to make it seem like everybody else is a piece of [ __ ] and you're an amazing human being and you're on the right side of progressive movement like it's all just a [ __ ] act to stay in power and when you see politicians do it you know they just [ __ ] wet their finger and try to figure out which way the wind's blowing and say those things and then act in the interests of whatever money got them into that position in the first place whatever machine is behind them whatever support they get yet that's that's all they're doing and those types of politicians that's not the only kind you can have you know it's kind of like yeah it's you can have real leaders they they do exist it's such a huge sort of thing to wrap your head around you know it's it's capitalism it's money it controls everything it's I mean I kind
of feel just leaving Los Ang leaving Hollywood right kind of has a has sort of reset a little bit of my you know like you know you know this more than anybody else of course but you know because we even talked about this whatever it was 20 years ago on my podcast about how you know you can democratize uh media with podcasting and get rid of all this money controlling everything controlling and so it's sort of a you know a micro micro sort of or it's a similar thing to just politics in general you know money comes in controls everything it can be so frustrating especially now when you can see that um you know you don't necessarily have to play that game anymore so yeah it well it's also the hive mind of Hollywood you're leaving there's a thing that happens in that town in that area where the the people that think outside of the norm say it in like whispered hush tones there's a a certain ideology that's attached to that City and it's not logical it's a kooky whack uh completely insulated left-wing view of the world and they enforce it with an Iron Fist and if you're not on that team you don't get booked for things you don't get picked for things if you're someone who has U conservative leanings or you're talk about because there's projects you're never going to get you're never going to be involved with people will they'll malign you and without knowing you at all be openly prejudiced about you and uh so no one does it so everyone who goes over there who's just like desperately trying to make it they're desperately trying to get in movies they're desperately trying to to get a recording deal whatever it is they're desperately trying to do the last thing they want to do is do something and talk about something that's going to politically get them at odds with the people that run the studios so no one does everybody just follows the same sort of wacky ideology these people take from the University they go straight into working as a PA and straight into working for executives and producers and all of those people are indoctrinated they're all in this wild ass Cult of weirdness and then you have people that move there to try to make it and these people are just always going on auditions they're always like
please choose me please choose me and no they didn't choose me and so you're trying to be friends the people who choose people you're trying to get them into parties trying to introduce them to other people you're trying to be around other famous people this person's been chosen I got to be around the chosen person we go to the chosen person's party maybe we can get chosen and they so you get this like overwhelming anxiety that fills the [ __ ] City yeah and then now you have ticktockers and influencers and all these people that are just trying to do anything to get famous yeah and that the reality stars and all that started it all off and the [ __ ] real housewives and all that wacky [ __ ] you get away from that you're like oh there's real people out there there's real people that's a storm of anxiety uhhuh hurricane of confusion and zolof and [ __ ] and everyone's losing their mind and everyone's in therapy and everyone's [ __ ] nuts and everyone's trans it's out of touch yeah it's just a crazed cult yeah it's like you know you start out as a stand-up comedian and you are trying to you know poke uh holes in the you know the absurdity of the world and you're saying things that are not being said on stage and then you know as you know you all of a sudden get brought into and I'm sort of saying the the every stand-up comedian every outlier every person that's uh doing something different a punk rocker a skate border uh you know my goofy show was so out out there when I was making it and I was making it I was rebelling against you know in Canada in my little little Public Access show I was kind of trying to rebel against what obviously seems like a for formulaic mainstream way of thinking to create art right and then you move to Los Angeles cuz well the show got on MTV I end up moving to Los Angeles now you're I'm talking about myself now you're in the trans all of a sudden being asked to go on um you know the show The Tonight Show Saturday and live and you're on these shows and you know I was sort of sort of a bit of a naive you know [ __ ] basically you like in in purposefully so I would go on these shows try to go nuts right and try to do something crazy and just try to
sort of dice sort of almost disrupt the whole format of it right in those first couple of years as a naive person who didn't understand how Hollywood worked and I was just I you know I went on I had a similar thing to our last appearance here on Jay Leno I went on Jay Leno when I had a film coming out I went Jay Leno and and uh we I came up with this bit let me roll the the bar they had a you know remember they had the bar cart the J Bar mhm I'll roll it out on stage during the show and then I'll do a shot of Jagger with with Jay and know Jay doesn't this is a crazy story I probably told you this before but I do a shot of Jagger with with with Jay and Jay doesn't drink so he said okay well I'll throw it over my shoulder right so we go there and I'm with my my buddy who's you know yeah you know as a buddy who like pushes you further into the darkness right like you know like you know you got you got a bad idea and he pushes you further and makes it even worse use the force yeah so we're in the Green Room getting ready I'm in the green room with my buddy getting ready to go on the show and and he goes do a shot now before you go on I'm like okay so I do a shot now before I go on right and get ready to go on the bits all approved with The Tonight Show you know it's it's a gag they know I'm doing real Jagger right but it wasn't planned that I would do a shot before I go on he goes do another shot before you go on Two Shots two shots do another one so now I walk out I'm three shots in before show even starts oh boy you're hammered well pretty quickly then yeah and then I got out there and I did get a shot and the audience goes crazy and cheers right and so then I do another shot and so I end up doing like way too many shots and it kind of ended up very similarly to our last our last uh conversation here and uh and it was it was actually pretty hilarious uh it was one of those things where you know it it did get out of control you know the next day uh the there was a the the New York Post it's had my picture and it said dead drunk you know it was just like one of those and uh and uh you know Jay called me at home the next day you okay man you he really kind of went but then you know then that was sort of the beginning of me realizing oh you know you can't why Tom Green went on Leno and deliberately
got drunk yeah and and you know in hindsight I go well that was you know kind of the outrageous kind of young version of me that I was doing on the show that made perfect sense to do that for a gag uh but then you know the naive kid and me didn't understand well you know a lot of people in Hollywood did not understand that and then got mad and the movie St got mad you well like the movie studio I was on promoting a movie and they were like oh we don't want you go any more talk shows for the movie I'm like was like what I was it was a joke I was obviously it was a joke and they're they're not interpreting it as a joke they're interpreting it as as me being kind of out of control which yeah exactly but it was a it was a a manufactured out of control I was out of control but it was planned it was planned confusion right so but that kind of subtlety didn't really uh didn't really kind of pass the the smell test so so then you start to go oh jeez I better tone it down a little bit you better be better better tone it down a little bit because this and and you sort of end up falling into that feeling where all of a sudden you're like you said going to an audition or driving out to a meeting and TR TR being that you're not yeah exactly like if you're hosting a late night talk show and now all of a sudden you're this sort of wearing a tie this odd button down and trying to make something that they like mhm and fit into their mold and you know try to get your own little creative shots off within that mold but no longer are you actually being purely yourself right right and uh you can't and it's not possible then you know you end up living there for 20 years I end up living there for 20 years and it becomes normal pretty quickly right and then and then you sort of slowly forget oh oh you know oh this is just the way it works I guess now and then uh eventually you know one day you go I'm getting out of here and I I got to say um you know when you when you moved here it was a bit of a uh a light bulb I think for me too it was inspiring for me because I I I sort of realized oh look at that Joe's leaving you know cuz you you you were always at the comedy store all the clubs it was a scene in LA and you're think wow like Joe Joe's just going to go do
it on his own and just turn his back on this whole infrastructure here and I was like yeah you can do that you don't have to be here and and it was really inspiring and you know and it inspired a lot of people and uh and uh and I can tell you uh again it's now living in the uh the woods not far from where I grew up up we had a cottage when I was a kid pretty close to where I grew up they've got these birds they're called whipper Wills right whipper will whipper will they make this sound there really unique sounding Bird right Hank Williams sings about him and uh and I grew up as a kid hearing those in the woods at night you know just at dusk you hear them and now like when I I'm going to bed I hear those and I'm going like oh I feel like like the sounds of my childhood and the smells of my childhood and the even the things you the mosquitoes the horseflies and you're like even the the the you know the the the the large M mouth bass in the in the lake and the you know the the redwing black birds and all those sounds and smells and everything and you feel like yourself again it's like and there was there was you know for for for 20 years i' I'd be like driving up Laurel Canyon looking at palm trees and and and for 20 years I even after 20 years living in the same house I never felt like I was actually at home I felt like I was off on some business trip trying to and I remember saying you know even just even after living there 15 20 years like what the hell am I doing in Los Angeles this is crazy what this is a weird place you know it's like a weird place and um you know you feel almost like you have to be there now everything's changed the internet I think and I think Co did that for a lot of people too because all of a sudden everybody's locked in their house and you're dealing with people in these Zoom calls and the internet's changed you don't have to be anywhere anymore we realize we can be wherever we want you know you took your entire organization away and it's bigger than ever and light bulbs start going off and you're like wow you know what that's that's really cool I'm going to go home well when we were living in La you're you're always thinking of yourself as someone who wants to work with the system you're were always thinking of
that always I mean I was on television shows I did all that stuff did a couple of movies you're always working with the system y so no matter what you do you're working even when you put out specials you're putting out specials you're meeting with these people you're working with the system and you start to think that that's what you do that's the business that you're but it's not what you do is what you do that's what you do what you do is what you do and you could do what you do wherever you want to do it yeah especially once you get enough out it that you have an audience and like you're supposed to take a chance you're not supposed to like keep living your life by these like bizarre tyrants and their rules and regulations about the way and the way they behave and the way they [ __ ] the the it's so ridiculous it's such a bizarre place to be and when you realize that you don't need that anymore and comedians today realize they don't need that anymore all they need is a Tik Tok account or a YouTube account an Instagram account a Twitter and some good content and if you get on podcast people will check you out they'll try you out and there's a gigantic organic network of comedians we're all friends with each other and we all get on each other's podcasts and we all trust each other like if I tell you this guy's really funny go see him like I'm telling you the truth I'm I would not ever lie and I wouldn't have them on if I didn't think they were funny if I didn't like them they weren't nice people I'm not interested yeah so there's this beautiful organic thing and that's the real Network now that's the real Network it's an organic Network it's there's no contracts every comic that I know that has contracts with other Comics they start doing things together it always goes south I mean maybe it can not go south once or twice I mean maybe there's some great people that are figured out I mean Tom S seems like he's figured out how to do it with your mom's house but that's like almost it everybody else that I know that gets involved with deals and like just [ __ ] just help each other just help each other organically that was what I really loved about hanging at the mothership the last two nights is the energy there is different like for a com
for the comedy club just in the in the green room like I mean I it was you felt it you can tell that you've created an energy there that is uh supportive right all the comics are just hanging out in the green room smoking cigarettes and everyone's talking and just you know it's super chill and and I you know I did you know some times find that you know it wasn't always like that you know when you're at a comedy club you know and other PE comedians are sometimes a little more feel a little more competitive with each other and there's a little bit it's so stupid it's so stupid the the any competition that you have with other comedians is inspiration that's all you should look at it you if someone's doing really well and you w you're like wow I wish I was doing that well great that's inspiration to work harder that's inspiration to go write more do more sets re re-evaluate your material go over it better do something write more have some life experiences you could translate and interact like go work harder it it's like that it's just you you just be inspired and if that person's a good person you should be happy for them and that's what we can all do this idea that we're all in competition with each other is just stupid it's not good for anybody I was uh stoked to get to see your uh work in progress your new hour that you're working on that was incredible yeah that was really fun you got such a great place to watch the show I mean the first of all fat man room little fat man little boy awesome uh I mean I just love the the way you've set up for the comics where you can go and sit on that balcony up there and just watch the show it was just really uh amazing to watch you uh working out your uh new your new your new [ __ ] it's [ __ ] awesome and I enjoyed our conversation because i' I've I've watched a lot of your um interviews with with comedians here and I saw your interview with Lou and you were talking about writing and saw your interview with Bill or you're talking about writing and you know there's sort of this thing where a lot of comics don't write and we were talking about this a little bit the other day but I love the process of hearing how the process works for for you because I kind of do a mixture of things too I I I I like to I like to go sit at a computer and type
stuff up and then but it's always I've always found it hard to like this is a question I kind of have for you because when when you go right you work it out on stage and uh you know you're got your idea you you got your premise you got your punch lines you got your you know your bit and you're working it on stage and then I I I I found it really inspiring actually because um first of all I love I love I love the way it works with standup like you when you showed up at the at the Green Room you're about to go on stage and you're like focused you know you're like focused and you're going through your notes and you're focused and I'm like you know I can tell you're focused right then you go out you kill it you you come back in and you see the ah you know that that adrenaline rush and then we're just you know and then where're everyone's just you're just relaxed and it's just that that release right yeah and then we were just talking about writing and you you said you're going to go home and actually I don't I don't know if you want people to know this is too far into the behind the curtain or whatever it's okay you're going to go home and write after I just think that's so cool you know well it's fresh you go home and actually type type up some stuff and write that's when I've been doing some of my best writing there's like a 2hour window that I have where I'm still jazzed from being on stage right right right and you're you're still kind of thinking in that mindset you you got to just kind of and don't let yourself relax too much like kind of stay in that mindset and then you know as long as I'm not up too late where I get tired then I'm forcing it you know so but if I can get home at a reasonable time and I've got a lot of energy I get my best writing in I get some of my best ideas cuz I'm already thinking like comedy yeah you know you just had it you said it you have the exact words and rhyth in your head MH and that's that I thought was a bit of a a light bulb for me I that's inspiring cuz you know I I I I often find it's like you know when you write something down you have or or when you do the set and you you maybe write it down after and then you you don't go get to writing it and then you never remember what the Rhythm was later like what the hell was
it I said again so I know it was way funnier than what I'm writing right now you know so that's uh that's why recordings are so important yeah just put your phone on the little you know voice recorder thing just just to get a reference yeah I was uh I was talking to uh you know Louis CK had a conversation with him about this and uh it was pretty interesting because I've kind of you know I like to drink but I I kind of quit I really have cut back drinking in the last I you know I quit drinking like three days ago no I uh no but stand up you know I sort you know I I I wasn't doing stand up when I was doing my TV show i' done it when I was a kid I stopped I did my TV show started again like you know 13 14 years ago was drinking a lot like I like to drink like everybody likes to drink and I go on the road and I started realizing man like even if I go drinking Friday night after the show my Saturday night shows aren't as good as they could have been CU I'm kind of like carrying a little bit of this alcohol around in me from the night before I quickly realized you know the beginning was like I'll have a beer on stage right then I then I go oh I better not have a beer on stage I'll wait till after the show to have a drink so then after the show Friday night you know you know on the road it's fun you know you're in Cleveland let's go let's party we're in Cleveland you know so you know you have a have a few too many drinks after the show Friday night and of course I was you know younger too right I was you know my 30s so you can handle it a little more too than when you're 52 so but then every year that went by I was like oh those Saturday night shows are getting a little harder to get through you know and it's just one too many Saturdays just lying in my hot hot room just waiting for the show to start hung over going oh my God and then going and then dreading and being on stage so then I then I decided I was going to quit drinking when I'm doing standup like so I'm not drinking this weekend you know until maybe Sunday night you know I may I'll have a drink Sunday night uh maybe even Saturday night I could do a hungover show Sunday but but got to have a little fun listen I got a solution for
you IV drips yeah oh it's a game changer so I can keep drinking you bring that right on stage with you the IV I'm just kidding you don't bring the I next day silly the next day get a a high does vitamin IV well the thing that I've been enjoying about kind of scheduling it where it's like I don't drink for a couple of days before you know a week a weekend like this from doing five shows is like I find and this is what I was talking about with Louis about where I had a you know we're not close friends but I had an opportunity to have a conversation with him about this once and it was pretty cool cuz the way his mind thinks is is is so you know analytical about this type of specific everything comedy right and I was telling him I was saying you know I I stop drinking before I go on stage because you know I feel like there was this period where I didn't have a drink for a couple weeks and when I was doing crowd work I was just coming up with stuff that I would never you know you know you when you have a great set of crowd work and you get up I came up with this intricate story that I told and it was clear my mind was operating in a different level than it would have been had I just had a few years the night before even right and uh and then he said something I'd never really even occurred to me before which is you know when you're working on a set you know if you if you have like a little bit of booze in your system even from the night before and you're up there working on a set you don't remember the stuff that happened on stage as well either so then when you go home you don't really even recall you know and that's the biggest you know the big part of repetition getting up and doing these sets over and over again and you remember everything and build on it and build on it and if you're not retaining that information right so so um I'm I'm I'm really laying off the sauce and I was actually kind of I was excited to to hear that uh that we were going to do this uh show on the day of of of of of my uh I'm doing two shows tonight at the mothership fat man and I was kind of excited because I knew I wasn't going to drink on this show so you knew you weren't going to repeat yeah I knew I was not I was going I'm not going to do what I did last time and
so I kind of came not trying to encourage you to drink but I am trying to encourage you that if you do wind up drinking too much you feel hung over you don't have have to just tolerate that no I like that too yeah get get an IV drip IV drip huh yeah if you're in town I'll connect you to the lady that does it that just seems like such an extreme it's like you know you're drinking too much you know you're drinking too much when you're like got a you're in a hospital bed with an IV dream you know you're being smart about your partying yeah yeah either or you're not in the hospital bed you're just sitting down takes 20 minutes the reason I told you about uh the reason why I I wanted to come down here sooner and just kind of come check out and hang at the club you not I was I was super stoked that I'm actually getting to headline the club this weekend that was even more than I was expecting I was just wanted to come down and see you and and congratulate you on the club and and the reason it's taken me so long is I had a [ __ ] up thing that happened uh after I moved to the farm uh basically immediately after I moved to the farm and everything was going great uh I was uh I had a major injury that I told you about I didn't get into too much detail about it but I had a major injury in Costa Rica uh I would I I went down there for a vacation and uh there was this you know a big bonfire on the beach and everyone was having fun I went to bed in the hotel um I wake up I decide to go back to the bonfire a few hours later it's like 2: in the morning at this point the fire has gotten a lot smaller I pick up a piece of Driftwood off this beach in this remote beach right I go up to throw the drift wood on the fire and the reason the fire had gotten smaller is the people that had been that the fire put out the fire by burying it in sand and they buried this huge bondfire that was about the size of this room in sand and so now there was just a little fire with sand covering hot coals about 4 feet leading up to it and I'm walking up to the thing you know Barefoot right in in in in you know in in a you know bathing suit and a t-shirt with a piece of Driftwood and my foot goes into the sand into these hot coals immediate realization uh I fall back uh so if I'd
Fallen forward I mean my face would be burnt I I I I ended up uh immediately realizing what had happened uh third degree burns on both feet the top and bottom of my right foot and the strangely the top of my left foot not the bottom thankfully um and uh the nerves were completely burned off my feet so after the initial shock of it I uh wasn't in pain which was the weirdest thing and I looked down and there's a couple people came to my sort of assistance and we're putting water on it not feeling anything you know I'll get graphic cuz it's crazy but the skin is just falling off my feet oh my God uh I get help back to my room uh I'm not wanting this to be you know it's the first day I got there I'm this really ruined my vacation you know I'm I'm not feeling pain because the burns the nerves are gone so I'm literally like trying to clean it up with like some nail clippers chopping a little bit of burnt flesh off and God do you have photos I do yeah of this yeah like when it looked like that not online I so no on your phone I have not even to see I need to see I haven't sounds insane I haven't even um talked about it online I didn't this first I've talked about it online yeah I never knew that you were injured I didn't want to talk about it I just didn't I it was crazy I I ended up spending two weeks in the hospital in Costa Rica and then was medevaced on an air ambulance with Charlie whoa Charlie you were there for the whole ride yeah with Charlie yeah and um did the nurses take Charlie to go potty so I had some friends who came down who were coming down anyways and they they took Charlie oh Charlie they looked after Charlie for two weeks well I so I got I got driven to the San Jose Hospital hi Charlie what's up yeah and she was she was worried she's adorable man she's such a sweet dog yeah I know the people that are seeing her out now like oh she's kind of freaked out but normally she's not freaked out at all oh yeah yeah she's super sweet she runs up to everybody and wagging her tail yeah super friendly it's last yeah so and was I got got to this Hospital the the the there's a surgeon from Columbia who worked there it's a great Hospital thankfully came out he said looked at my foot said we're taking you immediately into surgery oh my God and
they did skin grafts off my leg and they took skin grafts like the size of a football off my right leg and stapled 60 Staples to staple the skin into my foot and uh then I come up out of surgery and the doctor says to me uh which I think he was trying to make me feel better but he said well the good news is you'll probably be able to live a normal life he says to me it's the first thing he says to me oh my God and I'm you know I can't move I had a morphine going into my back uh couldn't feel anything below my waist I thought I was paralyzed they told me I would be wouldn't be able to feel anything below my waist while this while I came out of it and then I'd spend two weeks in the hospital bed and uh I was not able to get out of the hospital bed for two weeks um this is debatably too much information but it's interesting you get you get very constipated from all the medicine that's going into you and you end up not being able to you know go to the bathroom for about a week but then you ultimately have to go and you can't get out of bed because your foot has to remain elevated oh boy drop a log in a bucket you got to drop a log in a diaper oh Jesus and someone's got to clean your butt and then these Costa Rican nurses come in and clean your butt and it was just a really interesting uh moment of uh Clarity for me where you realize you're humbled as a human being and you realize oh this is this is I've lost all ability to look after myself and you just kind of end up having to just kind of go with it and it was uh you know to my honest with I still think about that sometimes it wasn't the worst thing in the world no I'm just kidding but uh you know the the they uh they were very nice the nurses were very nice it's very sweet of them to take care of you like that so you can't put any weight on your foot cuz the bottom of your foot is that skin graft as well or just the top uh for for for the so then for the next yeah exactly and it was very delicate the skin graft for the first no was the bottom skin grafted as well yeah yeah yeah all around very very the bottom of your foot like the sole of your foot was skin grafted That's crazy cuz I would think like how do they skin graft that right does your footprint come back in the same way The Ridges the dermal
ridges but it's not perfect though it's interesting the it was a World War II do who invented the way of taking these skin grafts actually they did it for burn victims in in the war and they invented a some really I don't know the word for it but some tool that actually takes a micro thin layer of skin uh so micro I don't really have a scar on my leg anymore it's amazing it's a very it's almost like P less than paper thin layers of skin they take them off of strips like this and then they staple it into your foot to hold it on there and um and then uh that's left on there there for about I I think it was just about 2 weeks actually and then at the end of the two weeks in Costa Rica they they I had to go under three general anesthetic surgeries in Costa Rica in a Central American Hospital by myself by the way I uh I uh my mom and was you wanted to fly down my dad wanted to fly down I was like no you know what I'm just sitting here like you know half out of it you know so just I'll just so I just spent two weeks in there and they'd go there was uh second surgery where they go in and they uh checked it they had to go in and check it and so I had to go under general just to like take the bandages off because it's painful and then the third General one was to go in and take the Staples out and um and then metac back to Toronto to Sunnybrook Burn Center Sunnybrook Hospital Burn Center where I spent another 10 days and then for the next essentially six months Joe I was I would have to go to a doctor uh three times a week to have my bandages changed because it's like you know oozing and for six months yeah yeah it was SP three times a week for the first two months and then it was like twice a week and then it was once a week and uh and they're also monitoring it for infection right because if you get an infection uh then they have to amputate your foot so it was basically six months of me just worried about losing my foot you know you're saying I'm going to have am I going to have like one testicle and one foot is this what's going on with me so so they didn't uh they didn't have to amputate my foot fortunately uh but it was pretty pretty pretty scary [ __ ] holy [ __ ] dude and uh anyways uh and then you know and
then it was kind of like limping for the next year and then now I'm kind of still a little wobbly but it's it's it's it's pretty good I'm I'm uh I'm just going to I I actually found some photos of this and and pulled them up because I thought you might ask when I told you about this of course now the thing about this is what's crazy is this is like this is actually this is like actually when it had healed so I mean that's that that's after it healed this this is this is months months this is maybe two months after uh I was back in Canada at this point I have some better ones sir um you know here's that's horrible here's that's let's see here's this is sort of healing up healing up this that's my mom my mom at the thing healing up at the hospital but uh yeah uh damn son you got [ __ ] up yeah yeah but uh it's uh you know it could have been worse right could have been worse so yeah you're alive you're here could have been worse and you get this you get this sense of uh almost it's almost like a sense of gratitude you get afterwards CU you're like I'm alive I'm here I still got my foot and it's it's so strange how that happens because it's happened to me twice now in my life cuz I had testicular cancer when I was when I was on MTV and I that's why I stopped the show and I'd go to the hospital they'd room my took my right testicle I still got the left one everything's fine um but uh and you go you go from there's this there's a moment where you're like in both occasions this this moment where you're sort of traumatized by what's happening and angry about it and then it sort of almost instantly flips must be some sort of human self-preservation kind of thing that's built into way our minds work where you're now grateful that it's not worse you know like you know oh it's healing I still have my foot uh this is a learning experience you know I'm not I'm I'm not going to do that again you think that's wired into people I think the opposite I think that's a learned skill I think that's something that you you recognize as an intelligent person like you know what I'm I should be thankful for what I have all the time and we all should it's
really hard to be you get so accustomed to the way your life is that you you can't imagine if you were like severely impaired if something horrible happened it's like after I had cancer it it sometimes it comes into my mind like a like a little bit of a light bulb or a wave like I'll think to myself you know if I'm having a a slightly bad day you know what I mean and I'll you know be like like I don't for whatever reason happens just sometimes when I'm out doing normal errands and I'm having a slightly bad day going to the gas station pumping gas or something and I think to myself oh man at least I'm not in the hospital right now dealing with some crazy you know existential life and death thing you know and so yeah maybe it is a learned thing because of of what I've been through with that because the same thing happened after I burned my foot you know as soon as it sort of as soon as I'm you're quickly start of you go from I can't believe this has happened I'm angry I've just ruined my vacation I might lose my foot this is horrible too okay okay how are we going to get better how are we going to make sure that I do everything to change the bandages on time and your your whole your whole life changes right you know I'm not I'm not thinking about all the things that I'm normally stressed about whether it's work or relationships or whatever things that are just normal standard things that you're pissed off about and all of a sudden you're just oh not even thinking about that anymore I'm just thinking about making sure I don't get an inection on my foot and you're sort of treating it like a military operation trying to save your foot or trying to you know make sure that you you know make the right choices in your cancer treatment and um and then when you come out of it it is true it's possibly a learned thing you come out of it and you realize oh all that [ __ ] that I'm nor normally worried about doesn't matter compared to what what I just went through and then you can kind of maybe learn from that and you know then you as time passes you slip back into the same routine you start stressing out about the same things again but then every once in a while pops into your head and go at least I'm not dealing with the foot's healed and
I'm outside right now and everything's good I'm walking I'm talking I'm alive so gratitude gratitude it's also people need to experience a certain amount of discomfort in order to appreciate not having that it's just the way we're wired for whatever reason I choose voluntary discomfort I do [ __ ] like cold plunges and saunas and hard workouts and I think it's a viable strategy I think it really works I think if you can force yourself to do difficult things like a difficult workout a difficult yoga class cold plunges saunas that kind of [ __ ] your regular life will be less stressful yeah you'll be you'll be able to deal with these we seemingly high stress situations they will seem less stressful because you're doing voluntary stress all the time and you prepare yourself for difficult things when you don't prepare yourself for difficult things you can get caught up in like just traffic being something that blows your mind handle anymore exactly yeah yeah I I see you doing those cold plunges and I haven't done that yet but people do that in lakes and stuff hear me awesome I want to do that get a sauna put it right by your leg Yeah I I I want to do that I want to get that leg's cold as [ __ ] in the winter huh yeah I was playing hockey on it a few weeks ago yeah just out there shooting some Pucks in the net and uh and uh you know so I can PL and skate again I did the first year I didn't skate get yourself one of them little wood powered saunas yeah you could use it with firewood so you don't have to have anything electricity rigged out there they make a bunch of those throw some wood in there get that [ __ ] hot as [ __ ] get a Chainsaw cut a hole in the ice yeah make sure you don't drown I am going to do that because it's uh it's um I'm not sure how I mean I haven't done a cold plunge I can tell you that I do like the cold like we sort of touched on that earlier like when you just go outside into like sometimes it's Canadians complain about the cold who live in the city but when you live in the country it's different the city winter sucks cuz like they put salt on the roads and you're basically running from your house to your car but in the country when there's you go outside and nature and you walk into the woods there's no bugs there's no mud everything's frozen you
can go places you can't go in the summer in the winter you can walk across Lakes you can walk like across huge Lakes to islands that are over there with warm you know baath and Canada Goose jacket on walking across lakes that I don't like oh yeah it's I don't like yeah it's it's it's it's it's sort of like I I I kind of was thinking to myself I was going to say you know it's sort of like a cold plunge except it's just you just go outside as a cold plunge sometimes you know it's like you do get a dopamine Rush right from being outside so you you can like I've actually noticed that in warmer climates sometimes I'm a bit more lethargic you know but when the winter comes it's like okay go outside it's like you know you feel it you feel that you know it's just well Letterman used to always have a studio really cold you want people to be warm and sleepy yeah yeah a little cold a little keeps the comedy fresh yeah but there's something about walking across a lake that it's just like at any moment now let's get just break oh no no well cuz you know I know you can't I know look I went ice fishing last year yeah yeah yeah yeah I get it now people make mistakes all the time they go they wait too long it's a spring and they drive the truck out on it and it goes through the ice and but uh if you're you know if you're properly advised by people that know what they're doing don't you know like like the people you know that some of my friends out there do a lot of ice fishing you know they tell you okay the other thing you can do is like when I was playing hockey on the lake this year you just just stay close to the shore so you go okay well if I fall through it's only 2 feet deep or three feet deep here so you know you won't actually be sucked away under the under the under the ice but walking across in the middle yeah you have a little bit more dangerous out in the middle there I'm sure you've seen the video of the Russian woman who jumps into the river oh yeah so horrible oh my gosh yeah they cut a hole in the ice and she doesn't realize it's a raging River underneath it and she just gets sucked under and I heard that just happened recently in the states too a a woman's uh dog or something went in and she in after oh God God damn it yeah the uh that's [ __ ] terrifying the idea of being trapped under the ice
like there's another one of a guy who was trying to they cut two holes and they tried to swim from one to the other and the ice is clear and you see him under there you see you see him get disoriented and then you see him trying to find way back to the other hole and then he does eventually find his way but there's this sort of moment of panic where his friends are up on top and they're they're banging on the ice and they're trying to say no no this way this way you can see him you can see his body panicking you know you can see him like sort of feeling and and when you panic you lose oxygen you know your body your heart rate goes up it's like not good not easy to keepy there it is right there oh God I don't want to see this man I don't want to see this stop it Jamie I remember the first time I saw the concept of of falling through the ice in in the winter it was that remember that movie Never Cry Wolf you ever seen that movie that was a good movie look at this yeah there and this is this is real because there's there trying to say this way this way and then he goes back all the way back he goes all the way yeah oh the music even makes it what is he doing yeah they had a rope he found the Rope is he going to make it yeah yeah he ends up making it but yeah there you go so I think you want a cold plune in the lake closer to shore Bro [ __ ] what that is whatever that is [ __ ] what that is Jesus he was so close when he yeah he was like a foot away from the hole and he couldn't tell that's nuts man was that you ever see that movie Never Cry Wolf from the ' 80s about a guy that goes up in the Arctic to study wolves and then he ends up you know know befriending them and Brian denes plays the evil Trapper and it was a oh one of that movies yeah it was it was it was a great movie it was based on this Canadian novel Farley Moet novel called Never Never Cry Wolf yeah did the Wolves really make friends with him in real life so he goes up the novel it's a novel it's a true story he goes up to about a scientist who goes up to study these wolves and uh you know it's just sort of man versus nature kind of story we ended up becoming a Disney movie but
uh you know uh he ends up you know running out of food his food uh gets dropped off in the wrong place or something like that so he ends up sort of seeing the wolves eating mice so then he ends up you know the big scene the big probably inspired some of my work later in life he starts eating mice off crackers and stuff like that and that was big oh gross out he needs the mice off the crackers but but then he ends up falling through the ice at one point walking across a lake and there's a a scene like that and it's one of those you know back in the 88s prec CGI movies where you're just sort of remember you had to come up with actual scenes where something relatable and shocking happens that you can actually really like grips you you know yeah then Brian Denna he shows up and well you know he's he wol kills the wolves and it's very sad and that's the end of the movie so you don't have to watch it anymore well at one point in time people did have to have become friends with Wolves because that's where dogs came from so when wolves came around the campfires there must have been some Curious wolves and there must have been some generous Hunters who threw him a bone or throw them some meat and that's how dogs got made the the the [ __ ] wolves are like oh just I'm happy to be your friend really want a hunt deer anymore yeah why not they cooking some nice uh you know woolly mammoth steaks here I think that smells better than the yeah smells smells incredible yeah you know especially with a wolf nose imagine how good a oh my God so we made friends with them and that's that's where dogs that's where Charlie comes from Charlie comes from a wolf yeah I I was uh yeah I've watched some of your episodes where you talk about wolves because I'm really finding myself interested cuz this is I hear them at night like at night like not every night but what's up Charlie I you hear them howling and she goes crazy so in the house at night you hear them cuz they'll eat her and so so she'll hear them you know from in the house at night I don't hear them but all of a sudden this happens you know three times a week she starts running around the house barking barking barking and then we go in the porch and you hear them howling in the distance and and so they just so this
summer and I know this happened to you uh uh I I had I had chickens I got chickens I got chickens in uh in June as well I had six chickens and uh eggs you know I'm getting eggs from my chickens and eating a lot of eggs now eating a lot of eggs and um and they free range right so it's not fenced in right but the the woods are sort of there's a pond Pond and their Woods are on the other side of the pond and it's kind of a pasture on one side so you know debatably the Wolves and the coyotes don't come right up to near the barns where the chickens are right so so I let them free range so in the morning I get up and I let the chickens out and then they spend the day walking around on the lawn and the grass and in the sort of a more uh you know closer to the house area and um this was great all summer it was great I named them you was it was a Loretta paty Shania Dolly June and Anne they're my girls you know gave them all female country singer names and then they were I bonded with them in a way like they're kind of kind of sweet you know I actually would take sometimes i' bring one in the house and you would like you know hang out with it and play piano with it and it was like you know it was I mean this again weird but it was you could tell it it was interested in the music like there's an intelligence there that's you know I me I know chickens aren't known for being the most intelligent thing in the world but you would see their wheels turning listening to the music I kind of become attached to these chickens you know and then uh yeah uh so I get a bit more comfortable with having them free range they free ranged all summer and they're great because they're eating all the bugs and they're getting all the you know insects and stuff on the property and around the house and uh so I I I drive into town one day okay so I'm gone for 2 hours okay and I come back and I'm coming up the driveway and it's just uh feathers feathers feathers feathers feathers and uh there was one Survivor Loretta survived uh she was sort of funnily enough there was one chicken that didn't hang out with other chickens all the time and this one Loretta I named her Loretta and uh she was probably just somewhere else but the five just got got uh got killed by the coyotes and I saw them on my on my
security cameras came right up to the house and and so the thing is is like you realize and I realized this even more after talking to the wolf expert they were watching the house from the woods and they saw me leave and they knew that there was nobody there and they chose their moment the wolves or the I think it might have been coyotes that that that did the chickens they like waited like they waited for me they knew they knew my truck they knew there was nobody there and they said you know one good thing to do if you leave you know is to play R Play Talk Radio you know maybe they'll hear that um but uh so they were watching and they they came and they got five of them all at once and it was chickens were gone there was just feathers everywhere like like in like it almost looked like a bomb it hit the chicken it was like just big circle of feathers and there's five circles of feathers it's weird to come upon right and so then I have this one chicken left and this is actually kind of sad too um it's funny like I literally cried and then my cuz I was like so upset and then and then and then my neighbors you know who were farmers you know buddies of mine you know came over and they were like oh look at the chicken feathers everywhere and I saw you know it's like you know is this normal for me to be crying about this and you I said do farmers cry they go not over their dead chickens you know I'm like I'm like a city guy here crying over my dead chickens but um but uh so then yeah so then I got two more chickens to keep Loretta company and this is kind of breaking news as of yesterday uh these two new chickens came and they hung out with Loretta for the next since I don't know August and then uh well this is a downer but uh yesterday I got a call and the two chickens uh killed the killed Loretta the the ones the one that was from the different flock you know really they pecked her to death last night or two nights ago in the middle of the night so oh Jesus yeah that's a downer but anyway so now you're like okay so got these two got two [ __ ] murderer chickens and I'm planning to get more chickens in the spring so I'm going to get rid of the two chickens yeah you got to start from scratch start from scratch
cuz I can't keep these new chickens around they're [ __ ] murderers yeah that's crazy and they're like hi I'm your friend like no you're not you killed my other friend and they exactly and they were friends for the well they were all together for the last you know what you're supposed to do uhhuh mhm I know yeah put them in the oven yeah it's not like I'm going to re rehome them hey would you like these two murderers don't you don't want to rehabilitate them either just want yeah uhhuh yeah yeah apparent yeah let put them on the grill yeah I was I was told you hang them upside down just hold them upside down for a while and they kind of black out and then you can uh don't you want to get revenge for Loretta it's it's it's a strange well you know what here's here's an interesting thing about revenge because I've been thinking about well I was I was thinking about revenge with the coyotes right so and so here's the thing that's a very sort of odd things you know I I love the coyotes I love the wolves like I love them like I love hearing them at night and I love seeing them and I photographed them I've I've had a I've had many moments where I've been engaged in a standoff with them I filmed it m and um and so I kind of was really mad for a minute and then I thought well you know what I I think I like the coyotes more than the chickens to be honest with you so I'm just going to kind of figure out a way to kind of you know control the situation but also you know watching your show with I forget who it was but it was a expert in this area and talking to people apparently like if you if you try to again this is all Theory but apparently if you try to completely control the population of coyotes it just makes more coyotes just makes more coyotes it's Dan Flores yeah yeah he wrote a book called coyote America that's right he he was when talking about that where the the coyote actually um the female coyote has more pups yeah yeah yeah yeah so that's that was what I was talking about earlier where they were prosecuted by the or persecuted by the greywolves cuz greywolves and coyotes don't mix so when the The Grey Wolves would kill the coyotes the coyotes would expand their range and
then they would repopulate new areas where the Grey Wolves weren't and the way they would find out how many coyotes are around they do they call out to each other it was on the show that I heard that when someone is not responding the female starts to panic and have more pups yeah that amazing and that's why they spread all across they're in the whole country they're in every city in the United States of America they're in the cities now yeah yeah they're everywhere every single state coyotes yeah it's pretty nuts but I love them too I think they're awesome I definitely wanted to kill them after they killed my chickens yeah but that's also it's like I'm not in the country either [ __ ] I'm in a [ __ ] suburb like this is ridiculous with little small wolves in the suburbs you know but they're everywhere in La M coyotes are downtown they're everywhere they're all over the place in Los Angeles they're just Little Wolves yeah I I uh I remember they used to come up uh to my place that place in in La that was uh that we did the web show the coyotes were a lot of coyotes around I saw Bobcat on that street once those are cool and uh those are cool to see right yeah I was pretty stupid actually when I was there cuz I I I first saw the coyotes and I had this idea oh I like the coyotes and I would when to go grocery shopping I buy some chicken gizzards and I'd throw them on the hillside oh no and then they really started coming around so I stopped doing that yeah duh you can't feed coyotes I'm sure a lot of people in Hollywood do though I'm sure they feed feed deer deer I'm sure they feed coyotes yeah yeah I know people in my neighborhood feed deer yeah people love having deer around yeah yeah I know a guy's got a not in my neighborhood but he's got a like 20 pieces of uh 20 acres of land and he's got uh at least two feeders right so like at every day at 5:00 P p.m he can look out his window and see deer cuz they're there to get fed yeah yeah it's beautiful you you uh been hunting lately or not lately yeah no planning on going out again or come to Canada come hun in Canada I've been there before I I I i' I've wanted to I that your government like seriously worries me yeah you know come come up and run for prime minister let's change come up run for prime minister
you can do it you can do it' be amazing it would be amazing how do you say his name again POV Pierre POV sorry but no the people the people would love to have you up there uh you know uh not everybody but but a lot of people would love to have you up there you know people with blue hair up there that don't want nothing to do with me yeah no but I think I want you to know that you are loved by so many up there and and it's it's love Canadians they're awesome I always said Canada has 20% less douchebags yeah than America it's it's it's it's it's just very similar to to what it's like here with the division it's the same division stop it it's it's not just the same divisions and the same [ __ ] that's true too but that's also a ploy that's being used to separate ourselves while they enact more control and that's what's scary that's what's scary it's like the underlying mechanism like what's what what's what's actually happening behind the scenes well they're trying to clamp down and control the population that's that's scary they're CH trying to clamp down and control the information the population gets that's [ __ ] scary yeah yeah as of Cu that doesn't ever come back yeah once they get that power they don't give it back to the people yeah never happens so you got to fight to stop that from happening you can't let them decide what you can and can't do cuz they're just people I mean there would be outrage in Canada if your show got B if got got got blocked because people everybody watches your show like I mean it's just it's like here everybody watches your show everybody loves your show it would be outraged it would be uh political it would be political suicide it could happen though it could happen especially if there's some new covid type thing happens and I have contrary experts on I have people on that are are like Robert Malone the guy that they maligned and said it was a conspiracy theorist and that that he was a you know wasn't a qualif expert to talk about the subject even though he's vaccine injured himself even though he owns nine patents on the creation of mRNA vaccine technology I mean he's a legitimate scientist that worked on that technology I think the Canadian public values freedom of of of
expression and speech but the Canadian government doesn't that's the problem it's it's it's again it's they haven't passed that law and uh and uh but the thing is if they do if they try to and there there's calls to do it right now in America there's also calls to do it from the World Health Organization to to try to put a kabash on any information that doesn't jive with what they're saying in the case of another situation another pandemic or another I mean Google released that thing where they were saying that they had some new regulations that would be put in place in cases of a special event or you know anything of extreme social or political like some thing where they're going to be ble to stop air quotes misinformation that's [ __ ] terrifying because often times that information turns out to be correct I love your approach to it and your your standup your new standup it's hilarious I won't say it obviously but it's just it's hilarious because because uh you know it's it's very self-reflective too and I just thought it was just amazing because you're you know you're kind of I won't say it I don't want to say it because obviously you got your show coming up but but uh but I thought it was uh even people that you know may think they disagree with you on some subjects probably are going to really find it quite pointed uh the way the way you address the issue in your standup set I thought it was awesome it was hilarious yeah thank you thanks amazing well it's obviously something on everybody's mind it's just we're in a weird pivotal moment where technology and our awareness of corruption is all meeting in this battle ground in the middle of the [ __ ] field like Braveheart like that's what's scary what's scary these two things are colliding and I don't know which one's going to win cuz we could turn into a dictatorship we could we could turn into something that's closer to a dictatorship and then something that's closer still and continue to go down that line especially if there's some need to clamp down on society because something happened whether it's a solar flare or whether it's a terrorist attack or whether it's just Flatout War it's all they would need all they we need is some reason when they need to completely
clamp on on your ability to express yourself platform's ability to distribute information it's contrary to what they're saying any of those things anything that they can do to stop that to to like to to put a a clamp down on people like disrupting The Narrative that they're trying to distribute it's it's it's it's wild that Co was essentially one of the catalysts that got me to leave the city and uh you know it started with the van I got the van and I'm out in the remote desert and I'm loving it out there and I I was you know I was my bugout van I mean I I had I I probably probably could have survived in that van with the solar power battery system and my food i' freeze-dried you know meals ready to eat you know camping food boil water and pour it in the bag and oh it's lasagna this is amazing you know I could have probably spent you know months out there without even having to to go anywhere you know and you start to to go hey this is kind of cool you know like I'm self-sufficient out here I'm not you know you know I've got 26 gallon get lonely well I would I would I would I would drive out for to a cool place for three or four days and then I'd go to another location and then so you'd go and hang with people no I wasn't I was just doing this sort of isolation I was doing this I was really actually kind of getting into uh videography again I was I got some C I got a at the I shot this video on Sony A7 S3 but I've started getting back into cameras right but you weren't around any people well I was when you went to cool places did you go hang around people no no I was just alone yeah and and and I was making these it was just Charlie and I we made this sort of you know how long did you go without being around any people well cuz then I would go uh cuz when you came here the last time you did the podcast I had the distinct impression of a man who just got rescued from an island yeah it was Tom HX you had the [ __ ] volleyball yeah yeah yeah yeah you seem it was like that yeah you seem a little manic it was it was somewhat of a creative experiment as mixed with real paranoia as well because I do sort of I I think sometimes like like I said you know I got testicular cancer how the [ __ ] did that happen to me so I'm just like okay this is everything bad if this is happening it's
going to be bad so it's going to be bad to me so I'm just going to and then so how long did you go without being in contact with any other people well so I was still had my house in La so I hadn't sold my house yet so I had this van so I would drive out in the desert for a couple weeks and basically go on a camping trip and then I'd go back home and then were you around people when you were back home so it was still that um people would come over we'd hang out outside it was that kind of whole thing for the first few weeks or whatever months couple how however remember was a couple of months you like cover your mouth and then you all run outside hold your breath yeah kind of we just hang outside for a couple months go to the dog park and see people there and stuff like that m it was that you know that initial stage where cuz you know you weren't in La then no so it was wild I was in LA were you in La at the beginning of Co oh oh yeah first oh that's right cuz I did I came on your show in La when it was at the beginning of Co yeah that's right that's right and the second time I came on your show uh was here yeah yeah yeah okay yeah that was like remember how there were like you're avoiding the question remember how there were military helicopters going over you're avoiding my question how long did you go without being around people maybe a couple months or something like that you know how many months like well couple's two a few is three or more maybe it was three yeah you sure it wasn't more uh well then I started doing the van thing so there was nobody where I was going anyway so I had an excuse you know I was still being with no people how long were you with no people then yeah I mean it was a few months for sure I'm not I mean all told how many months do you think you spent of that year without being around people well first of all one thing that's interesting about it as I happened to to be single at you a lawyer the way you're answering these questions are like a goddamn lawyer well it's a bit it is a bit embarrassing I guess to think that that I was isolated but I also found it kind of fun right but how long like it was like like it was about three or four months or something like that but then the van the you around people then too
no but that that that was that's isolation too yeah and that but that was that was more like I was enjoying going out into Nature by myself and but you were still by yourself with no people i' go i' go for a couple weeks and I'd go back to LA and I'd be in LA and uh and you would be around people i' recharge a bit i' be around the people a little bit and then i' go back out again and and then uh and then as things died down as they did you know I started being around people like everybody else I couldn't imagine going months without being around people well the thing that was weird about it was I you know you know I'm not married I was single I didn't have a girlfriend at the time so like I actually no responsibility true Freedom that's what made it weird was I didn't you know I didn't I could imagine if I had a girlfriend at the time we just okay we're going to isolate together and now you're just with your significant other here I was okay I'm going to isolate and I don't have a significant other at the time so it was like actually the first time where I've ever had this sort of self-imposed uh or whatever maybe was imposed on us you know or or I took I took the took it I took it as an opportunity to be by myself and go and make videos in the desert and go to these really crazy remote places and I would seek out places where there wasn't going to be other Vans and other people but when you were out in the desert a lot of times you'd go to somewhere and there'd be other people out in their Vans and you'd hang out and have beers with people out in the desert and hang out and then you go think of a more remote place and I started discovering some amazing places like that that you know the rabbit hole you go down when you you know Co aside isolation aside just going out into the American southwest in a in a in a camper van that's self-sufficient is pretty wild the stuff that's out there um I think I probably talked about choco Canyon the last time I was here cuz I think I'd just gone there in New Mexico which is uh you know poblo Native American ruins of a it's essentially like a like a stone ruins of a city that was built in the year 875 875 and it's like Machu Picchu level
type City that they didn't even discover until the 1950s because it was buried and now they've you know you're and you're and it's in this beautiful it's on the Navajo Nation Reserve you know on the on the Navajo land and you feel this sort of i' I felt sort of somewhat shocked I guess that there's all this stuff out there that you don't really hear talked about constantly like I hear about Machu Picchu somebody brings that up once a week nobody's ever brought up who are you talking to brings up Machu picu once a week I don't know it just comes up a lot people talk it was probably you I think think you know you talk the pyramids I rarely talk about you know talk about the pyramids a lot right talk about PID like Macha pach is pretty crazy talking about you know ancient cultures that have built these incredible structures right and right here in New Mexico just up the rad from here you know like 11 hour drive from here right you know just outside of Albuquerque Navajo Nation there's this it's a s you know it's a huge Canyon completely empty no one there it's uh and it's uh and and so it's this realization that there was a civil ization there that was and they've studied this place um quite extensively in fact um Mike Judge you know from beon Butthead sure his father Mike Judge grew up in New Mexico I found this out after the fact so I started looking up information about chak o Canyon to try to learn a bit more about it and his father uh James judge is his name was one of the predominant researchers of this particular archaeological site right oh wow and so he wrote this book about it and it and they dived you know he spent his life diving into details yeah that's so [ __ ] cool yeah so I spent like you know a day there and there was no one there with you I was there with Charlie yeah and and just you and Charlie just me and Charlie and I shot I shot video there video on my YouTube channel too I put I was I was doing all this for my YouTube channel I was really getting into the film making side of it you know I had my drone I was going out and filming stuff and all these isn't it crazy you're just allowed to walk around there yeah it's wild and and see that the bottom left see that sort of structure there so that was a
five-story building at one point and you you can go walking through there and there's wood that they've used as beams that's still like within the within the it's petrified wood or whatever it's within the the stone and uh you know it's wood from the year 875 to 1100 it went like the people left there in 1100 because um of a drought like they were gone before a Columbus right see the wood there that's that's from 8 you know between 875 and 1175 whenever that was particularly built so and and this area they've done all these studies of this area so they know like like they found Macau feathers speaking of my old pal Rex they found maau feathers there now MAA are from the furthest North as yakatan Peninsula Mexico so they knew that people were coming from yakatan Peninsula Mexico Peninsula Mexico up here to trade with with them and they found um you know evidence of all these different uh things that sort of indicated that people were coming from as far north as Canada as far south as South America to come to this area and the that that um that whole choco Canyon area once you get in there is like this I don't know not to get all like you know Voodoo about it but you know when you talk people talk about Sedona and there's the energy there you feel this sort of and it may be just because it's so beautiful and it's so quiet and it's this natural kind of Amphitheater where it's silent and the wind is deadened and you're just all alone and you're walking through this structure I share the fascination that you have for the pyramids I want to go there someday I think it would be one of if I if I could snap my fingers right now and just be somewhere that it would be the pyramids I'd like to go the pyramid someday I've never been there so here's me walking through it with my camera and so you're walking through this you know by yourself and and you're just going like wow like there was all this stuff going on here and apparently they' they've determined this was like a meeting place for for people from all over North America that would kind of come here and share information they actually believe that there was a you know um sort of almost like a festival type atmosphere that would happen there where people would come and trade and share
information and all this stuff is there are there similar Native American construction sites like this yeah so then you go down this rabbit hole and you realize that they're all over the place so then there's there's there's there's there's there's there's I mean there's there's many of them there's uh up in uh there's these ones called the cliff dwellings uh which are that that one there is actually uh this one here is actually later that's that's post Colombian this one this was a Spanish um probably I think this one's built around 1500 this was a similar construction sty exactly it's amazing right when you look at it like oh it's they were building stuff in 800 before Europeans had come here using the same kind of building techniques as as that and and and it's weird when you're there and you're touching it and it's like solid and you're going wow that's actually so they've got these Cliff Dwellings there's lots of them where they've built into the The Cliffs of um of uh Colorado yeah those Cliff Dwellings I went to one of those ones there's one there's one that's uh called the Gil Gila it's or hila National Forest it's a New Mexico yeah it's right on the yeah it's up on the border it's up in New Mexico I think yeah and uh that's a wild story there cuz it's a national park you know and um wow look there have caves so you go walk around there and that one there were a couple people walking around they drive down there's a you know people walking did they dig these caves or these caves always exist they're natural caves that they've kind of sort of utilized as uh as uh you know they built the walls up around the bottom of it and yeah they've done something to it right and so this place is wild this this and the stories you pick up when you go to these places cuz then you go down the rabbit hole you start reading about it and you go wow this is I never knew about this they didn't just they no uh American had ever been there until the mid 1800s uh because it was Apache territory and if you went there the Apache you know would kill you before 18 whatever it was I forget the date but it was like you in the 1700s early 1800s look at the writings and this place I haven't been to this place yet but I want to go [ __ ] man yeah and and yeah I talk about like
when you start thinking about you know UFOs and stuff you you look at some of these petroglyphs and you're go what's what's that there's a lot of petroglyphs out there too what's that that looks kind of like a a spaceship or something you know but uh so that's honestly the real reason I was out there in the van by myself so long was because I got addicted to it I mean I was just and that's actually kind of why I ended up moving I was like I love being out here alone by myself with my van and my camera so much I want to live in the country again and how did you find the spot in Canada uh I got kind of lucky I just kind of I I um I just honestly just started looking on the internet you know just like looking at real estate listings and I started you know looking for a farm near my hometown and and uh I just kept looking and searching every day and uh I was uh lucky that it just kind of fell on my lap right at the right place right time my house sold in La immediately and I was I drove back and that place I put in an offer and I got it and it's just it just all worked out and it all worked out so and how long you been out there now be coming up on three years in July so it looks like you're having fun videos the videos of you online are very interesting I'm like look at Tom Green I'm enjoying it living in the Woods by himself it's like there's a lot to do that is stuff that falls outside of anything that would fall under the you know category of what I would consider to be work right but it is work but it's different work it's like I got to you know feed the chickens or or we built a fence this year for the for the for the mule and the donkey so it's this patent rail fence you know that uh is made out of Cedar that is literally these 100-year old Cedar rail fences that are on the property that have fallen down in the woods and you know have gone to BU the not used anymore and we went back with a fence Builder you know and and everybody out there is you know you know in the country is a guy whose family is traditional fence Builders whose grandfather built these fences we went and salvaged all this wood and then built built uh new fences out of them oh that's cool and so you're kind of you know it's nice to find uh something to do that is a you're outside
you're getting exercise um and uh you feel like you're actually doing something you feel like you're doing something and and it's the first time I I said this earlier I I'm never going to leave this place like it's the first time I've ever leave lived somewhere where I know I'm never going to sell it and and leave so every every step of my life as like everyone as you're growing up you got your first apartment you're how long am I going to be here till I move here how long going I be here so now I'm just kind of like now I just in my head I have like oh I'd like to maybe build a log cabin someday in the on the back woods you know so that's sort of one thing I'm kind of like kind of thinking about how I want to build a log cabin like the way the you know the my the house itself that I'm in was built in 1857 and it's and it's a a log house so you can see the do you have photos of the house uh there's there's yeah there's on on my YouTube channel tour of the house uh I haven't really there's there not a full tour but I think if you can see some of the logs on the YouTube channel I I did a a couple little sort of sample podcast where you can see the wood in the background that's [ __ ] dope this is just this was last week we live in a log house from the 18 wove that's amazing yeah and yeah so it's like and it's it's interesting so you know you start to realize you know I'm doomsday prepping in the van you know like oh I have I could be self-sufficient in this van well I also you know and again it's it's it's fun but it's also kind of very uh functional like I I have unlimited fuel okay cuz there's there's wood falling in the forest forever and and and I every summer you can go out and I've got a wood splitter right like a it's a it's a you know gas powered wood splitter and you you know you chainsaw off the logs you drop them in the wood splitter splits them and it's sort of efficient way of getting firewood basically so they'll never run out of wood out there the house has actually got propane uh sort of uh furnace as well so it's runs on propane and the propane truck comes every you know there's no natural gas or anything running into the house to heat it so you have a propane truck comes every couple of months and fills up this
propane tank in the winter but uh you know you know if oh [ __ ] you know [ __ ] hits the fan and the propane truck doesn't show up you know I can still heat the house fully with wood there's two wood stoves um do you have solar I have solar uh there's a solar system that was there actually that but it doesn't actually not actually connect it to the house but it's connected to the grid and it's it's actually selling energy back to the power company but not to you not to me no it's it's a it's a what kind of scam is that well it's paying me pays me yeah I get pays you to not be self-sufficient to not be connected well you if [ __ ] hits the fan I can unhook it and plug it into the lights yeah yeah I could yeah and I actually no I have lots of solar though outside of that system I have a I have a actually you know the van has solar panels on the roof and there's uh this that's for electronics it's for electronics yeah and you can't really use solar for he I've learned all this from the van so I I I work with these guys who've been really cool battleborn batteries they're called and they are uh make these batteries lithium batteries right they make them for boats they make them for now off- grid houses and and uh and so I have like a couple of bunkies you know like that one I built and one that we kind of set up it's like a prefabricated building that we put back in the woods and with the wood stove in it and uh you know this this uh trailer that I have solar panels on that butterfly out that I can take anywhere on the property which has these batt born batteries in it it's constantly charging so I do have some solar and the barn as well so the barn I have and these guys help me set this up it's really cool like it's uh I mean I jokingly say the podcast that I'm going to do in the barn is going to be I'm sure it isn't but I'm saying it's the first solar powered Barn cast okay may maybe I don't know if there's one but but it's like because there's the barn has no power running to it it's off grid uh but we have you know it's you know 200 yards from the house uh but we've up in the Loft got this battery lithium battery array solar panels that charge the batteries and then up in there I can run all my cameras lights oh wow everything and uh
don't the batteries degrade on those things on like solar panels so so lithium batteries have a really good life to them um um I'm but they eventually degrade yeah it might be 10 years or something like that I'm not sure but it's it's the that's the the lithium batteries kind of newer Tech like it's like it's that was the thing that kind of you know when I when when Co happened I I want to get a van and go in the desert so then I I I you know I I I figured out who was making these Vans and uh I I I then I found out about the Battery Systems and then I was like oh like you just have a regular you know plug in the van you can plug in your camera and charge your camera batteries you can run your laptop you can phone your you charge your phone indefinitely um and you know spending you know so many years of my life running around making goofy videos you know you when we were doing the Tom Green Show and stuff you know you'd go on the road and then you have to go back to the hotel at night to charge your camera batteries right the idea that you can go into the middle of the desert and just film and definitely charge your camera batteries because the sun is recharging these batteries constant do it was dope I built a recording studio in the van I was making you know music and beats back out there and just kind of getting into it but so it's uh how long did it take before you felt comfortable around people again ah I was ready to get around people again pretty pretty pretty much uh you know I was I I mean it's you know it's funny after I came on the show last time and we talked about this like there's a general perception in the world all of a sudden that I was living in my van okay which I wasn't actually living I might been responsible for that perception no it was hilarious like oh I heard you're living in a van now people would say to me I'm like no I'm not living in a van I'm going camping and making videos in the desert no but you were living in a van yeah I was I was I was you just had the ability to live in a very nice house you want exactly I wasn't s like you're a loser no it was funny though it was but but it was I I mean I hope I I I mean sometimes you
know you think you are and you go am I a loser but like people would sort of say it to me like they were sad like they were sad oh oh I heard you're living in a van now you could be like most people don't live in a van on purpose yeah yeah exactly so it was kind of like the Chris Farley sketch I'm living in the van down by the river and uh and it was funny how I mean again the power of uh of social media and the size of your audience you know it permeated out there pretty big that like pretty much everybody I meet thinks I'm living in a van down by the river now well that's like how we describe Hans Kim Hans Kim used to be living in a van uh like look at him now you know no one goes from you know Tom Green to live in a van unless things have gone horribly wrong except you uhuh you did it on purpose uhuh and it was it was really driven by the fact that this power system allows me to go make videos in weird places and stay there you know like these places choco Canyon it's not easy to get there I mean it's it's easy enough I mean it's two and a half hours out of maybe no maybe it was more than that out of Albuquerque I forget the distance but it was quite the drive and you're driving through it's not on a direct route to anything and then once you get to the perimeter of it really bad dirt road that you got to go down that's not maintained properly I suspect that in some ways it almost feels suspicious that like do they want to keep people out of here for some reason why it's not talked about more I mean I I sort of discussed this a little bit on the video like it seems strange that it's not more celebrated by you know our society that there's stuff out there like that that's just it's it's incredible and amazing and beautiful why doesn't have a good publicist all it is yeah yeah yeah you know cuz there's certain things that have like Macha Picchu is a great publicist yeah I think it forces people to confront the idea that you know what happened to the Native Americans in this country too and in North America and Canada you know like we weren't that nice to them were we so so it it makes us have to think about what happened but you were just saying that that place was abandoned in the 1100s yeah yeah exactly so that has nothing to do with sure but just in
general just talking about pre pre-european um not now right but you know I think there was probably a period of time when you know they were settling Europeans not not just America Canada too right settling North America where they didn't really want to acknowledge that there was civilization here before you know it was it was more like they were you know eminent domain yeah yeah they were trying to claim it yeah for sure that I think there's definitely that there's a guilt attached to the way people feel about Native Americans and the the also the the the understanding of what a reservation is you pushed them into this area that sucks and forc them to live there and all of their traditional land is gone it's all been absorbed by these people that just got here a couple hundred years ago which is nuts yeah it's so hard to imagine how different this place we're sitting in right now was just 200 years ago yeah yeah I mean they find these all over the place a friend of mine has oh man a ranch out here oh wow it's a real kamanche Arrowhead that's a big one too that's probably some something they used to shoot a large animal with wow that's probably elk they had elk out here they used to have uh elk were in like most States they um had always a lot of deer out here a lot of different animals but that's a big ass Arrow yeah see and it's like cuz there's some small ones too that they find just find real tiny ones they might have used for like small game birds and things like that but that's a big [ __ ] see I I I personally the second I touched this I felt sort of a sense of kind of you know Shivers running wild right yeah yeah I feel like and maybe it's it's my mind just thinking about the history of it but there's you know people talk about energy and I like is like is it I I used to hear people say when they go to Sedona the energy there is amazing and I'm like what are you talking about the energy right but then when you go to these places is it cuz you're just alone and you're relaxed and you're thinking about it so much but it's like you touch this and you go you think somebody actually like carved this right somebody made this and then they survived with this right like however many thousand years ago or whatever and you go whoa
that's incredible you they napped that thing and made it sharp and they did all these crazy techniques that they had learned how to make these [ __ ] things and then they hunted with it and these people lived here forever until these Europeans just came in like a wave of locusts yeah yeah so when you and so that's the the the battery system allows you you know the van and the self-sufficiency of it because normally if you drove there let's say you drive six hours to get somewhere right right and then the sun's going down and there's no hotels nearby and there's no so you're going to you got to camp on a tent or something so then it's like not comfortable and you don't have don't have you're in your van yeah so now you can drive there and stay for a while and then it's like you just have to make sure you have gas and water yeah it's a different experience because now you're waking up to the sunrise over that and making coffee by yourself and thank God you didn't run into like the Manson family or something out there I had a few moments of of uh wacky people I had a few moments of I don't know if they were wacky people but your mind starts telling you that you got to be careful you you know like there was a moment uh you know there was a moment out in the desert where I um you know was all alone out there and a uh a truck on the Mexican border actually and uh trucks coming from Mexico towards me and there's you know there's signs out in the desert when you get to this this was actually in the Arizona Mexico border this place called the kabisa Prieta Wilderness Area which is a decommissioned section of the former Barry F Goldwater Air Force based test range where they would test bombs in World War II right and uh and you and and uh it's like really beautiful like this the cactuses and the you want cigar yeah yeah yeah absolutely I bet you that's a good one too I'm sure you wouldn't be smoking some swier sweets or something like that it's not a it's not a century Sam or uh Phillies blunt uh what what what what are they it's a company called Foundation cigars they actually made us our own cigar it's got a JRE logo on it nice they're really good though I was skeptical it's like this company but it's actually my man Nick from Foundation
really my God know cigars and um the whole deal goes down to oh my God naraga lighter as well yes sir you know how it works push down on that black thing that yeah there you go damn [Music] okay so what was the most sketchy of encounters while you're out there doing that van life well you got it you it what was the sketchiest there was never anything where I actually Pro was in danger but there was there was the feeling of being in danger so well actually it might have been in danger it was definitely a feeling of being in danger uh you know so the van's coming up to you yeah it was like a truck truck you're in the van and there was there was like you know I could write it off in my head if I'm trying to be you know positive they were Hunters but they you know they didn't necessarily look like Hunters to me they were they were not in hunting gear and but they all had guns they but they were rifles they weren't they weren't like you know assault rifles they were hunting rifles and so they could have been hunting uh there was four four guys and they had you know they were openly brandishing their rifles no they were sitting all four of them this is what was weird for them they're probably Hunters they probably going hunting I I but they were sitting like this and they were sitting like this and their rifles were standing they were holding their rifles like that so I I kind of I kind of assumed that they were going around and looking for a deer or something like that but but it was you know when you're all alone out there and you see a truck coming towards you and there's no one around no one's going to hear anything you know you get a little nervous so I got I did get in the van and I lock the door and I'm in the van I'm looking out of out of the van and they pulled up by the van and they're looking at my van and I see the the guns in the van and I'm like okay this is speaking Spanish well they were you know they were you know whatever 50 feet 100 feet away just you hear any any words at all no no I I had I I was I was locked in the van you know hiding I was hiding in the van it just turned 50
years old so they never got close to you no no then then they drove away but there's this sort of uh you know five minutes of watching the truck closer and so you go to the kabisa Prieta Wilderness Area and it's along the Arizona Mexico border and you know what the border is like so so you know it's there's a lot of of uh you know human trafficking and drug smuggling going on there and as as well as immigration going on there and and people coming across the border illegally and all this stuff and so there was actually a sign when you drive in there that says danger human smuggling drug smuggling do not travel alone okay so I still go because I'm with Charlie right so I'm cool but uh so I I you know but this sign I got a picture of the SI it's kind of interesting but it's also is that sign on your Instagram probably is yeah for sure it is yeah if you scroll back to uh you scroll back to uh whatever that was three years ago yeah I say that yeah yeah and so um yeah danger human smuggling drug smuggling do not travel alone right so of stupidly go out there and I'm camping out there for a week but then you haven't seen anybody for 5 days you know and you're out there making videos and making you know ambient music you know drinking beer I have a fridge in there nice fridge in the F too so I got beer I got you know some whiskey I'm just having a good time out there you know making music by myself and streaming on like some not always but sometimes you'd have like internet you know so you'd stream you know that was sort of a connection with the world you know streaming live from the middle of [ __ ] nowhere the world's so crazy crazy now and making beats in the middle of nowhere but um yeah so that was that was you know this moment where you're going like well maybe I should shouldn't be here by myself and uh and uh that was actually when I that was actually what that moment was actually what um kind of I actually tell the story when I do stand up so I'm trying not to make it a bit here because sometimes you know I don't want to do my bit but like I I do kind of incorporate it into my standup sometimes cuz it's I tell stories about this stuff but I ended up it was what in in sort of spawned uh I mean I went back
that's I went back to LA and I bought a gun the next day I'd never owned a I didn't hadn't owned a gun since I was 21 years old I had a 22 when I was like 20 not 24 years old I had 22 hadn't owned a gun the whole time I was in LA I was going out in the desert by myself feeling vulnerable by myself out there yeah so I went back to LA I went to especially see four Dudes with rifles staring at you so then I went back yeah there it is caution illegal entry and drug smuggling activities are common within the Refuge be aware of your surroundings not travel alone or approach suspicious people or activities holy [ __ ] yeah us fish and wildlife service this is probably you Department of the Interior it's probably Bureau of Land Management land is a lot of the land out there too that's a scary and you realize how big it is like you know it's one thing you know you hear about you know in this close to the cities where there saing going but when you go to these remote areas right and you're just yeah that that's it that was it that was that was that that was the week I was there that was right when that happened there's just nothing out there huh so I went back to Burbank went down to Guns Plus and picked up a 357 Magnum and a Benelli montro silver shotgun and uh got my hunting license and went quail hunting why would you get a uh 357 Magnum I six shots I I got the seven shot oh yeah nice cuz I thought that would be better to have one more no honestly I just uh I honestly did didn't uh really actually think about it no I didn't no I did think about I just I didn't honestly think that I would ever have to use it to be honest with you I just like that gun oh I just think it's a beautiful looking gun well it's better to have that gun than no gun yeah yeah and I also thought Honestly though the actually have another answer to you cuz I was going to lots of places with bears and so I figured it would be good protection for Bears too cuz I was going up into like the you know places in New Mexico where there's Bears mhm and I go hiking by myself and you know you don't want to Lug a shotgun around with you all the time so you i' I'd sometimes bring that you know in Arizona and stuff and that's smart but uh but also I mean you know it's honestly just kind of
um I don't know it's just beautiful gun it is yes it's it's classic yeah I I like that I love that guy something about a revolver too yeah watch that wheel spin old timey style yeah absolutely and there was sort of a sense of being out there on the on the Range you know I classic looking uh guns like i' now I have lever action I've been collecting Henry rifle I have I have a new Henry 22 but I've got a couple vintage I got a just picked up a like I I like getting sort of vintage I've just got five or six rifles and I've just sort of found myself quite interested in it you know like a got an old Savage 99 uh you know 1970s 308 you know it's like the wood you know the old guns with the wood on it you know it feels like real and it's all the new stuff is more you know plastic and stuff a lot of carbon fiber yeah yeah so I like when as wood and you know you got to get you hunting up there I I would love to go own food I would love to go at some point with somebody that knows what they're doing I have some friends that really want to take me out next year so oh go with them local guys know to do it LO local guys yeah yeah I bet you have a [ __ ] ton of deer up there dude there's a lot of deer in my place yeah you can see them you can see them on my that trail cam video with the with the one deer you eat it for three months yeah you feel the freezer fill the freezer with it one deer you're eating it for months mhm you know shoot elk 6 months I I see your elk on Instagram and I go man that looks good so much meat so good too so good for you I give it away I give away to a lot of my friends yeah it looks good such a good thing to have there's not a lot of elk near me there are there are in there are elk but like they're rare like you don't see them in Ontario that much you hear them do you hear them ever in the like in the Moose yeah yeah I I've seen a moose once uh near my place but but but uh deer all the time they're everywhere well listen Tom Green I'm super excited that you're at the comedy club The Comedy Mothership this weekend honor to be there man it's always good to hang out with you and talk to you and I can't thank you enough because being on your show in 2007 really was a big part of the inspiration to do this and I say you were a Pioneer man you were you were out you had figured it out before
anybody you had a full internet talk show running from your house and when you had me as a guest on it changed the course of my life life cuz it really did cuz it really was like I remember like light bulbs just going off my head like why don't I do this why I do I didn't have the money to do this you know so I I started off with a laptop it was like the idea came out of you man I just think it's the coolest thing that you you you know shout that out and and and say that to me and you know because I I I appreciate it because it's like it was when you came to do the show I was stoked that you were coming to do the show you know that was you I'm doing my little web show and you came up and did the show I was you know that we had done a couple things already right like we did that celebrity pool show remember that MH yeah that was just kind of a one of those that was fun yeah that was fun yeah and uh we did we done a bunch of stuff and i' always seen you around so there it is yeah bro was like 2007 yeah we were drinking beer I was like this guy's got it nailed we're on the internet this is incredible I was so happy I was like this is how to do it look how bad the video was back then the kid is drinking with us online you know what's fun about that is like so that's Skype we're taking calls on Skype and so we kind of I had some real good guys work working for me I had you know I had my Jamie there it was like really you didn't you never had a Jamie [ __ ] yeah yeah he was sort of we were trying we were trying to build stuff you know so you know you guys had a whole server room I remember walking into your server room going this is crazy I feel like I'm at like some big Corporation with all these lights are going going off and I'm like th this is wild so there's a microwave antenna on the roof of the house so that was the way we were able to stream CU back then you had to get like bonded T1 lines or something like that which were expensive right I had a little bit of monetization not much but you were working with a company out of Denver yeah yeah then they they were kind of the first people that I saw streaming so I was like how's that work so I called them and then so we had a little like a very small budget but enough to get them whatever happened to
those guys they just kind of I not sure actually I don't know I'm not sure but they they were they were interesting guys and and so I basically started with them and then I went off on my own and uh well listen I'm glad you're going to do another one cuz you're a very compelling and interesting person and you always have a really good perspective and you've led a [ __ ] wild ass life and uh and I appreciate you thank thanks for being here brother thanks thank you and uh I think the shows are all sold out this weekend so tough [ __ ] [ __ ] uh but sometimes even if the club does sell out we have a sign like a neon sign there tickets available now what happens is sometimes people can't make it babysitter cancels who knows but every now and then even on soldout shows there's tickets available so if you go to the box office maybe get lucky okay thank you everybody thank you Tom Green you're the [ __ ] man oh uh Instagram what is it is it just Tom Green yeah Tom Green yeah go check out my YouTube channel YouTube Tom Green put a lot of stuff up on there now which is kind of a little and then uh Tom Green on Instagram uh Tom Green live on Twitter and x and yeah all that's all the spots Tik Tok and I'm shooting a special actually I'm shooting a special for Amazon Prime standup special and uh where you doing that at where you filing well I'm going to I'm going to do I'm going to shoot it in Ottawa but I'm also doing a tour in April so I'm going through I'm going to be in Cleveland I'm going to be Lexington Kentucky Louisville uh Detroit uh all over Michigan uh you know helium and Philly and a lot of the spots so you can go check out my tour and I'm going to film the whole tour too and I'm going to kind of cut it together into a bunch of nice stand up uh Montage so yeah thanks well I'm excited I'm excited to see this weekend okay uh that's it goodbye thank you [Music] [Applause] [Music]