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Joe Rogan podcast check it out The Joe Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day hello Mr Baker and greetings to you Mr broken we always have to bring you in when the world's [ __ ] yeah Someday I'm to bring you in when everything's great that would be you know I'd look forward to that and we could just talk about other things but you are my go-to guy when there's International conflict and I'm like what the [ __ ] is going on yeah I appreciate that because we have some conflict that's what I hear God yeah yeah so what the [ __ ] is going on M tell me tell me the real deal what's happening um well there's something happened in the Middle East um that's uh taking everybody's eye off the ball and what's happening in Ukraine um which is amazing I 7 October happened with that incredible medieval Slaughter by Hamas and I was amazed at how quickly right I I mean I I guess I know that people have attention deficit disorder but you didn't see anything about Ukraine or the conflict uh for the next couple of weeks right it took them that long to then think okay well we still got this thing going on over here right people dying there's a you know Putin continues to operate as meat grinder for uh for the Russian soldiers and um you know so that was that was incredible but then timing wise the other thing that I thought was was amazing was despite the brutality of the S October attacks and Hamas knew this was going to happen but that the the the the the number of days that it took to turn the narrative around right so everybody was horrified at how terrible the slaughter was and then within a matter of days it was like No it's it's Israel's fault right and how did that happen Hamas knew that was going to happen because that's what they count on which is why they embed themselves with civilians it's why they put you know their their operation centers their tunnels their their weapons stockpiles it's why they put it all underneath civilian infrastructure like the alifa hospital that's been in the news lately and and in other places because they know that they're going to end up with dead Palestinians right and that's kind of I this sounds wrong but it's kind of their currency right it's kind of what they expect and they don't
give a [ __ ] I mean you can see just by the way that Hamas is governed if you can call it that Gaza for what is that that's new math for me but since 2006 really um they kicked out F they kicked out the Palestinian Authority in 2007 um so you can tell by the fact that they've done nothing to improve the lives of Palestinians they don't give a [ __ ] about Palestinians right that's not their point their point is the extermination of Israel because they're they Overlord in the Iranian regime that's that's their purpose in life too so it's you know I hate to start off on a really really you know cynical rant but um they know because they're very they're clever they've got a good public relations group if you want to call it that they understand how International media Works they know that it won't take much time for for condemnation of Israel because you end up with dead Palestinian civilians which is incredibly sad right it's very sad for the for the Palestinian people right their plight is legitimately awful right but to imagine somehow that Hamas cares about them or was has been some sort of benevolent benevol I knew I was going to be able to say that that's a word that's a [ __ ] word benevolent wow um governing body of Gaza is ridiculous so I don't know I guess it's hard to tell where I stand on this issue it's it's so strange that some people particularly like these really crazy leftists have gone as far as saying they were happy when the slaughter took place I've seen that you you you had you had staffers in the un's refugee office not I mean again keep it in perspective not a lot of them maybe in private they were but you had some staffers celebrating openly right through social media about what happened on the 7th of October right uh you've got well college campuses filled with useful idiots who are happy to you know spout the Hamas narrative and you got protests in the streets and some people you know earnestly you know hoping for a better situation for Palestine you know other folks couldn't find you know Gaza on a map if you took a map and shoved it up their ass you know they it it wouldn't work right they just they don't care you know it's it's the latest thing so I don't want to put all the protesters in
one Camp because you know some are legitimately working to better the lives of Palestinians and and yes you can feel awful about what happens with the civilians um but I'm not sure what people expect Israel to do at after what happened on the 7th of October and after Hamas continued to say well we're just going to keep doing this right it wasn't like they said well there you go that was a one-off no they said we're going to keep doing this because that's that's their purpose in life is the destruction of Israel I mean believe people sometimes when they say things and and you know that's that's what they mean it sucks the that that's something that people need to understand that they are embedded these troops and they're embedding these weapon stockpiles and all these different things in civilian infrastructure yeah there was a lot of I think there well there has been a lot of skepticism um about that and people saying no that's Israel's excuse for for targeting civilians um and you know now we're getting we're getting some pretty good evidence that that's not the case L that stuff blown up underneath uh well like they just they they were just uh uh releasing evidence of what they found when they went into the uh rantisi Children's Hospital in Gaza um and again weapon stockpiles um disturbingly makeshift rooms or holding cells so it appears as if they could have been holding some of the hostages there moved them before the uh IDF got in um but they you know they've done the same with alifa they've gone into this and that's a large large Hospital comp pound and they have been saying for years that they use alifa as essentially the the the command Central Point for the military structure there for Hamas and also for again for weapon stockpiles um I mean you can't you you can't be more cynical as an organization like amas than to be storing ammunition and weapons underneath a children's hospital as an example I mean so yeah I think I think the best thing that can happen sounds weird to say that in a situation like this but yeah Israel needs to be very transparent they need
to provide as much evidence of this to try to shift that narrative at least the people who uh aren't rabid about this but have kind of JP jumped on the you know free Palestine bandwagon because they like to feel righteous right so at least some of those people can you you can shift off of that narrative by providing evidence by being transparent so uh you know hopefully that's what the IDF does the US has come out and said look we back up that intelligence we have independent collaboration that they've been using alifa and other hospitals uh Hamas has you know for their personnel for their for their stockpiles you know the reality is it's not going to change much of the narrative I've been surprised by by apparently how many anti-semitic bigots were just like in the shadows waiting for an opportunity to jump out crazy right yeah the open anti-Semitism online is so shocking people chanting in the streets death to the Jews like what yeah from a variety of quarters yeah yeah in 2023 yeah and you you know I guess it's naive to think that maybe we didn't have that problem anymore but um Jewish people have always been saying it and a lot of people been saying oh you guys are exaggerating yeah and now I guess everybody has to shut the [ __ ] up about that it's like it's not it's not not only they not exaggerating they were kind of underplaying it yeah yeah I think yeah they were definitely underplaying it but I think the if you if you look at again if you look at what's happening here in America right um there's there's layers to it right you get um what's her name Rashid um the uh palestinian-american in Congress and she's a member of whatever they call it the squad and you know so she comes out and she's not you know she's fairly rabid right meaning what she's saying about it is not particularly eloquent right and so she gets censured because you know she just like out there spouting um almost what appears to be Pro Hamas or making some sort of equivalency right saying well she tweeted the incorrect story yes about the bombing of the hospital being the responsibility of Israel and it wasn't that's that's actually a really that's a great point because the attacks took place 7 October
and then a few days after there was that that explosion at the hospital and not only Rashida to leave but the New York Times New York Times major news outlets took the word of Hamas the group that had just days before conducted this awful Slaughter right they took their word and said oh yeah yeah it was an Israeli hair strike targeting a hospital yeah and they they went with it and you think what the [ __ ] is wrong with you not only that it hit the parking lot it didn't even hit the hospital yeah and there wasn't 500 people dead no there was no there was no there was no journalistic curiosity there was no you know thought that said well you know maybe before we run with the word of a terrorist organization that just proved how medieval they are maybe we should do our own independent checking but I mean I get in today's world everybody wants to beat the clock and be the first with a story but how do you do that when you're in the New York Times apparently when you're a congresswoman yeah yeah so she but she comes out and I guess the point is she's one layer of this right of this sort of anti-Semitism and and you know she's trying to couch it in you know um I'm not an anti-semite I'm I just I'm drawing some sort of moral equivalency between Hamas and and Israel and I get it it's a massively complicated history right there's nothing more complicated than the the history of Palestine and Israel and the settlements and all the rest of it and no one's probably ever going to solve it but uh then you've got other you got the you got the campus activity and and again those are youthful people that like to feel righteous about things you got Barack Obama right going on a on a podcast talking about this whose podcast did he go on what was that called uh pod save America H um but on that he basically attempted to well he didn't attempt he did but in a very subtle very sophisticated way more sophisticated than than others who get out there and scream from The River To The Sea he talked about this like okay well it was unbearable situation for the Palestinians which implies that you know it's it's kind of not not he's not justifying it I guess in a sense but people will read that into it right yeah and that's dangerous in
itself right because well he I mean he's listened to right and and he's he's uh he's beloved I guess I could use the word beloved um anyway so I guess what I'm saying is there's layers of this anti-Semitism or there's layers of this excusing what took place while not you know again I don't want to put words in people's mouths but that's what they're doing right and and by calling for a ceasefire as an example if you call for a ceasefire right then you're basically saying I'm okay with the status quo because a ceasefire is not going to lead to a two-state solution it's not going to lead to you know stability it's going to lead to more violence more terrorism right and the only people that win in a situation like that would be um Hamas and uh and the Iranian regime so you know I think it's again it it's the most complicated uh issue of our time and for Generations right it's just and I don't think there's going to be a solution so from Israel's perspective they're saying all right uh we understood that International condemnation would be coming as soon as we tried to deal with the problem we have to deal with the problem though because who else is going to do it for them who else is going to help them you know clearly there's a lot of people who have no interest in that so I think they're feeling if we can degrade Hamas sufficiently I don't think you ever destroy a terrorist organization or or you certainly never going to get terrorism down to nothing right it's not a zero sum game but if you can degrade it enough so that they can never govern again in Gaza they can never um you know conduct their terrorist operations again at least at least you've Advanced the ball towards something that could be more stable now it depends on what back fills hamas's governance of Gaza and that's a massive question right but anyway Elon was on a podcast recently with Lex fredman and one of the things he was talking about was like with every civilian that Palestinian that dies how many more members of Hamas have you created and that's a very good point right it's a very good point thousands of civilians have died now but Hamas is also spent uh years um kind of shaping curriculum right teaching children to hate Israel
teaching children that you know killing Jews is is kind of your your your your lot in life right so um yes I mean but so then you're faced with this what do we do do we keep them around do we allow them to keep doing what they're doing or do you try to you know uh remove that cancer right and you try to say okay whatever comes in maybe that's better look it's not like the Palestinian people overwhelmingly support Hamas they there was a there was a a a poll believe it or not doing polls out in in in Gaza uh asking uh who is best served to represent the Palestinian people would it be Hamas or would it be fat would it be you know the and only 30% of uh of the people felt that you know Hamas was you know their you know their their answer um 40 plus per said neither right so it's not as if the Palestinian people are all out there you know cheering for Hamas right clearly some are um but we have to imagine what does it look like at some point the conflict ends some point they are degraded sufficiently some point the international pressure is just to the point where they have to stop I suppose and then then you have to ask what does that look like it can't be a long-term Israeli occupation they don't want that so you know the US steps in that's what the US Administration always does and they imagine that they've got an answer and so they say well let's have the Palestinian Authority govern um Gaza because the Palestinian Authority governed West Bank of course and you have this two government situation because back in ' 06 or whenever 06 six I believe Hamas violently kicked out Palestinian Authority this we're taking over Gaza so they took over Gaza West Bank is left to uh Palestinian Authority so the US is saying well you know we'll let Mahmud Abbas and Palestinian Authority come in Anthony blinkin goes over talks to a boss you know and they' say well maybe this you know Israel is is against the idea uh why is why is Israel against the idea well they're saying in part saying in part because look they're saying Mahmud Abbas and Palestinian Authority haven't even bothered to condemn what took place on the 7th of October and so they say how can you how can you then
have this same group running he says it that's not a solution that's not a advancing the ball in any way um that's their point point of the Palestinian people is when you you did that survey of who's best you know capable and and who deserves to represent the Palestinian people yeah Hamas only got about 30% of the vote uh fat got only 20% of the vote so it's not like they want them there either um but the US is kind of wedging that in as a scenario saying well look this is the way we go just kind of like you know Biden comes in and says well we should have a a pause no we should have a three-day pause we should and you know they almost get a little petulant because Israel is not listening to them and Israel you know obviously gets a lot of support from the US but this is this time is different this time is you know I think what happen on the 7th of October uh marks a complete sea change from their perspective so they're going to do what they need to do from their perspective and move on but that question of again what backfills what comes in behind is is critical but nobody's got a good answer from an intelligence perspective how did that October 7th thing not get detected I mean doesn't the IDF don't they have agents embedded in Hamas don't they don't they have like the most intense security system ever and surveillance system ever they do yeah and it was a massive intelligence failure and in part it was a very um it was a very I don't want to say sophisticated sophisticate is the wrong word but in terms of the planning of this uh if you're conducting an operation or you're conducting any intelligence really uh concerned then the first thing you need to know you need to worry about is need to know right so how do you limit information how do you limit how do you limit the dissemination of of information about what you're doing um and that's just good opsc that's good operational security now that's what they did they displayed extremely sophisticated I suppose operational security over this because you're right there's human sources that the IDF and and shinb and others in Israel have within Gaza there's the Communications intercepts signals
intelligence um you know there's just general surveillance that they're doing uh of the region in terms of movement of goods but most of that movement of goods happens underground and 300 maybe 300 miles of tunnels in Gaza that they built using money by the way using money that was probably meant for Clean Water Works and other infrastructure and improving schools and hospitals um that's a whole different angle to talk about but yeah I think the security side of things um by doing that by limiting who knows about the operation and by because again there you could legitimately argue the political leadership of Hamas they had a sense you know I'm sure at some point they approved a large scale operation but the people who who really knew about this were the uh Islamic revolutionary guard Corp the irgc which is is organization with the Iranian regime and they're kind of the liaison partners for Hamas and Hezbollah um they manage a lot of the training issues they funnel a lot of the money that goes to these organizations that are Iranian proxies and so you can count on the fact that a limited number within the irgc were aware of the planning and the training because they did train Hamas operatives in Iran prior to 7 October so I think yeah they it was simply a matter of them saying all right this element this cell will have knowledge of this during the course of training this these guys over here will know this these people will know this um and maybe a handful of people will understand the full picture and we'll understand when we're going to do this and it's all designed to keep it away from um from Israeli intelligence and it was ridiculously successful in that regard so you know and and and also you could argue intelligence is a human operation so there are an Endeavor so you're going to have failures on occasion you just don't want them to be this massive um there were occasional comments about the inclination of Hamas to do something bigger no details no specific details um and Hamas also spent a great deal of time leading up to this Con I mean years convincing um the Israeli government through their words through their actions or lack of actions that it was a
new day and that what they're looking to do is create a different dynamic or relationship with the Israeli government and so the Israeli government became complacent and when they became complacent to some degree over Hamas and the fact that there hadn't been any strikes there hadn't been any terrorist actions for a period of time then what you saw was then they kind of turned Inward and people talk about the political divisions within Israel and the fact that the government was in a bit of disarray and there was it was a little dysfunctional a lot of arguments going on that in part was because uh you know they had the not the luxury but the ability to kind of turn in on themselves because they didn't feel necessarily that that ex that threat outside was as bad as it had been right and that they thought perhaps it's diminishing perhaps you know Hamas is changing its tune and that was a deliberate attempt by Hamas to lull them into that state right and so there were there were a lot of things going on at the same time but yeah there's no way around it it's a massive intelligence failure the most cynical and conspiratorial take on it is that they let it happen because this is the best way to destroy Hamas that they knew it was going to happen so they allowed it to take place yeah that's a that's pretty cynical um yeah I mean if if you can get your head around that idea that they said yeah we're going to let Hamas or somehow encourage Hamas to come in and Slaughter all these women babies children men um I suppose that's you know if someone can get there then God bless them that's that's their right but uh I'm not buying it um you know I've seen I've seen intelligence failures before I know it can happen no matter how many cameras you've got up no matter how good your signals intelligence intercepts are they to dumb that down right I'm not calling anybody on the phone cuz I know you're going to pick that up right I'm not going to talk about this anywhere I'm going to hand a note to my cousin you know who runs a you know a part of a battalion in in Hamas you know they got whatever two dozen battalions so but I'm going to keep that communication as stupid as I can that's what Al-Qaeda did
right and then and they dumbed it down and it becomes much more difficult they limit the number of sources who know about it that limits your target pool of of assets who can tell you something um from a human perspective and you know but again people are going to I I've seen some pretty wacky conspiracy theories come out of this since 7 October right and you know I'm I I'm not buying that one yeah the the most conspiratorial was that uh Netanyahu was kind of on the way out with the people and that this is uh the way for him to sort of galvanize everybody and get support and maintain power and and then do what he actually wanted to do go in there and attack Kamas yeah yeah well it's it's it's one Theory um but uh when ever have something this chaotic you're always going to have a bunch of wacky theories yeah yeah and and you know I get that um because you have a lot of people who you know still refuse to believe that you know Hamas doesn't give a [ __ ] about Palestinians and again I keep going back to the same thing which is well take a look at Gaza you know and you tell me what ham has done for the people of Gaza because again Palestinian people aren't lined up 100% behind them you know in fact there's you know there's been reports of Looting of Hamas uh facilities since they've been losing their grip on on power um the Hamas leadership structure is enormously wealthy right they they've stolen billions of dollars um that was theoretically intended for Palestinian improvements can you explain that like how did they get a hold of the money and how is the money allocated like saying where's the money coming from when they get money for the improvements of Sanitation and education and schools and all that it comes from it it comes from a variety of sources look I think the the EU the European Union is I think the largest donor still to the Palestinian uh people and it comes through various um uh organizations so uh the United Nations the refugee office uh unw um the US Aid USA ID um and other and some Nos and well quite a few NOS so money is donated or allocated by governments and the US is us has given billions of dollars um to through these organizations for the uh Improvement of uh Palestinian lives right for and and part of that came out
of the Oslo Accord um the idea being you know band together um improve the infrastructure for the Palestinians create this because that will March towards more stability and eventually maybe that allows for a solution find you know that that will eventually come about and whether it's a two-state solution or however it's worked out so that money Flows In but since 2007 Hamas controls what goes it's like it's like when we give money to uh the Taliban now giving money to the Taliban in Afghanistan and we like to pretend like they're going to use it for good causes we like to pretend we know where it's going or how it's being handled but this money flows into these various organizations and Hamas controls what happens right so one way or another they get their hands on that money and they decide what they want to do with it and for the most part it has been for the uh for the betterment of Hamas as an organization in part because that's what Iran expects them to do and Iran also provides them with funds um not the Palestinian people Iran directly funds Hamas so over the years they have the leadership and particularly the the political leadership who all basically live outside the of Gaza they in Doha in in cter um you know some reports and they're confirmed by the US Treasury it's not just the Israelis saying this you know they're billionaires at this stage of the and you know one of them's got a couple of kids who are on Instagram right and they're flying on private jets and they're you know they probably went to the World Cup when it was in Doha and it's it's it's ludicrous because billions of dollars that literally was meant to provide clean water or better schools or whatever and people just you know continue to shake their fists and say it's all Israel's fall how is the money allocated and where does it go and how does Hamas get their hands on the money like what what is what's the expectations when they're giving this money and how I mean I don't understand if they know that it's going to Hamas why are they still sending money well in part because um that's that's the purpose of so the US funds
say the US says okay this year we're giving whatever $400 million uh through these various Aid organizations now the aid organizations at some point on the ground right have to make a difference right they have to so money has to go somewhere it has to go to uh middlemen it has to go to somebody running a business who's then going to provide resources whatever that is uh grain something whatever Transportation Trucking to move things around Gaza whatever it is and Hamas um it's like they it's like a criminal gang right it's like an extortion racket almost they they take their cut um they tax uh the uh resources that are brought in right um most of those things have to move most efficient way to move goods and services through Gaza at this point because of all the work they've done in the tunnels is the tunnels so they tax Goods moving through the tunnels they make their money right and and I don't want to I'm not equating hos necessarily to a to a mob but that's kind of what they've been doing and so now the money that comes from Iran that's a different that's that's that's direct to Hamas that's direct to Hamas again they take their cut right I it off but then they spend it because that they're beholden to Iran they spend it on what they're supposed to which is you know more weapons uh more gear uh paying their their Fighters um and so yeah I just I keep coming back around to to this notion that you know the Palestinian people have been getting screwed you know left and right there's no doubt about it right and um civilian casualties are are tragic and sad right but we live in a very pragmatic world you know hopefully we're not I mean you you can't rule this thing by feelings and hope and you know positivity it's not it's Hamas chose a certain path and they have to be dealt with right because um if you stop and allow them to say okay well Hamas is still there they're still running things nothing nothing changes doesn't improve the lives of the Palestinians right continues to fuel and fund Terror so okay fine if you feel better about to cease fire and kicking the can down the road but you're not don't don't pretend like you're solving something you know so so when the money gets allocated it's like say if there's money
that's being sent to Palestine for clean water and all who's receiving that money well it goes it it's funneled through the organization so like that money is is is think about it like a bank account it's deposited with the UN Refugee office right they decide they allocate um because they have vendors right who are saying okay we're going to provide whatever penicillin or we're going to provide hospital beds what so they they're they're parsing this out to a variety of vendors both in in uh and you know there's an an attempt to try to ensure that it's uh Palestinian businesses and Hamas also runs Enterprises overseas right so or sorry outside of Gaza so they run you know businesses uh in uh turkey and a variety of other countries right um so sometimes that money is going to a Hamas control business right to then purchase what theoretically purchase whatever is necessary um we shouldn't imagine that Hamas is they're not like Al-Qaeda they're not sitting in a cave somewhere right they've been doing this for a while and um you know it's it's a bit like uh it's bit like the Ira Ira started out with very clear mandate right eventually an element of it was just about drugs and and guns and you know money um so yeah I keep coming back around to Hamas they they realize they got a good thing going right stability is not going to keep that gravy Tain running so you know peace with Israel that cuts off a a revenue stream for Hamas right in a sense even though they still theoretically they could be smart and they could say okay if we have peace with Israel then we establish a long-term governance thing here then we can keep that gravy train going but um you know they would lose their funding from Iran because you know the Lessing Iran wants is peaceful coexistence with Israel and part of this was they looked at the Saudis talking to Israel they looked at the possibility of that meaning that there would be normalized relations with Israel and they're just not going to allow that to happen and so and for the time being it worked right you got I mean look got uh what are there how many members of the Arab League there's 22 member states in the Arab League and there's maybe half a
dozen that recognize Israel Iran doesn't want anymore they certainly don't want the Saudis right uh because that could be a sea change in terms of other countries going yeah it does make sense maybe if we maybe if we do that maybe if we normalize relations then maybe that means better Prosperity more stability Economic Development maybe that's a good thing for our people but again that would imply that Israel has a right to exist and the is Iranian regime draws a line at that yeah what is uh the worst case scenario here oh um well the Biden Administration would tell you the worst case scenario is we get into a shooting match with the Iranian regime right and again this is not the Iranian people Iranian people have an amazing Rich history and and um you know they've been under the thumb of the of the Ayatollah for you know all these years I suspect there's a number of them who would like to see a sea change in Iran right but I think the you know from the Biden administration's perspective a regional conflict that expands right and not just a not just Hezbollah up north um really getting into it and things are heating up up there right so it's getting a little a little testier up there with with uh with Hezbollah in Lebanon but a a wider conflict than that right and you know look the the Iranian proxies uh in Yemen uh have been you know firing their own missiles towards Israel not with much success but you're you you're getting these little you know probes there Iran I think would stop short of being directly involved you know they've got enough in the way of proxy groups to probably keep this going for some time but I think the uh the goal here should be yes not a wider regional conflict but you have to be pragmatic and understand that this is all emanating from originating from the Iranian regime right so if Hamas is sorted out and that conflict as it currently stands uh ends and you don't get something bigger up North with Hezbollah you still have the Irani
regime sitting here they still have proxies even if Hamas is degraded it's not like that's down to zero um the problem continues to exist so the best answer I know you I know you asked about the worst situation but the best situation would be if the Saudis and other nations in that would normalize relations with Israel right is that possible now after all this um yeah I I think it is I think it is I think the Saudis realized that they were going to have to you know back off um for the time being uh it's it puts them in a in an interesting situation but I do think that they'll look at it in the long term and think yeah we have to I think we have to we have to move in that direction who knows how long it could take so so you can be hopeful I think about that um but you know I mean until you know as long as the as long as the irgc the Iranian regime runs Iran we're still going to be dealing with this problem right it's not going to go away now interesting thing I forgot about this um the Iranian proxies have launched I don't know now we're almost at 60 60 different attacks right drone attacks missile attacks on a variety of of us uh facilities and bases and Personnel in Iraq and Syria U since 17 October what is that that's so we're going on a month right a month and you've had about 60 attacks youve had almost 60 US servicemen injured some seriously um and yet I think it was I think they made the announcement yesterday afternoon noon during a a quiet time in The Press Room but the Biden Administration uh has agreed to extend a sanction waiver for Iran and we're giving them1 billion $10 billion in what had been frozen assets owed by Iraq right to Iran for essentially well for the most part for electricity right for purchasing they they get a significant amount of their uh energy Supply from Iran so Iraq I think gets almost half or 40 40% 45% of their energy Supply from Iran so you had1 billion sitting there uh frozen assets and so in the past 24 hours despite the Iranian proxies doing this for the past month and before they were to be fair they were launching missiles
at at our some of our facilities in the Middle East before the uh the conflict with Hamas um they've decided that a good idea is to release the10 billion and uh it's again for to be it's going to be for humanitarian Aid they say and and they won't be able to use it for anything else that's what they they tell us the state Department's very clear on that they're saying no it's just for humanitarian Aid there's no way they can use it for anything else which is what they said about the 6 billion that they fro or they uh uh unfroze before this this situation kicked off the beginning of October and you know to that the Iranian president said hey we'll use it for whatever we want to right and money's fungible so if you give me $10 billion and tell me I can only spend it on on beer um okay well I'll take10 billion that I have over in this pot that I was going to spend on beer and I'll spend it on on ammunition right it's it's all it's fungible so it's it's it's a ridiculous argument and then the state department compounded the ridiculous discussion by saying well uh I forget who it was it was one of their spokesman Miller or somebody he said well look H you know they've been fomenting trouble and creating chaos and and causing trouble I know I'm paraphrasing um before this 10 billion and they're going to keep doing it regardless of whether they get the funds so fine let's just give them the money uh they choose to fund destabilizing activities first he added they always have as far as we can tell they always will so when it looking at this money we see the benefit to allowing These funds to move again to restricted accounts where they can only benefit the Iranian people that doesn't make any sense yeah this just how are these people doing this yeah they've decided that but why would they decide that that's what I don't understand what what's in it for them I don't you know the optic is awful right it's it's not as if you know the the American public's going to look at that and go yeah that makes sense we've been reading headlines about these missile and drone strikes caused by Iranian proxies now for the past four
weeks so sure it makes sense to us that President Biden's decided that this is okay uh so I don't I don't understand I'm confused over what they think and they the idea that they somehow imagine that this money won't be used for uh you know purposes other than what they're expecting is I think it's ludicrous um but just if you if all you said was just from the optic even if they could even if they could control how that money is spent politically the optic is awful right and so it's a it's a confusing thing from this this Administration I don't I don't understand it and it's the wrong anyway I mean beside from that it's the wrong direction we should be going in the other direction we should be you know Iran has um you know they they have you know realized I don't want to say a windfall but um their their oil you know revenues um have not been degraded we have not really gone after their energy sector in terms of sanctions um and so we should be going after that we should be really stepping on the gas in terms of saying that's enough right I mean because what have we done we've had three responses to the missile and drone strikes that they've been responsible for over the past four weeks three responses and after every response we just get more missile and drone attacks so it's not deterrence we're not doing anything to deter the behavior right we're just we're it's almost like a a political decision saying well we got to show the American public we're doing something and we take it seriously so let's blow up a weapons Depot in eastern Syria and it's it's doing nothing to deter the attacks so I don't think giving them 10 billion if maybe that's their calculation if we give them something they'll stop I mean that's awful I I don't think they're that stupid so that can't be the reason uh so I don't understand it's it's a it's a confusing decision on their part does anybody have any sort of rational argument for why they're doing it not that I've seen but I mean I'm going to keep looking maybe there maybe there is one it'd be nice to think because look you know you should you should want the US government to do well you know regardless we got to you know at some point you got to say okay I don't care whether Democrats or
Republicans I just want them to do well because that's good for us you know as as in the US whether it's an economic issue or national security is isue so uh but I haven't seen I haven't seen a logical argument it's it's a new development they've just basically announced this um and yeah I again it it it makes no sense they were they were incredibly reluctant at the outset of this conflict to even mention Iran right they were very and in part because they've uh they've spent three years now uh with a soft approach right to to trying to get back into a deal of some sort with them over the nuke weapons program uh and they've been taking this this uh approach that said well Trump had maximum pressure so that had to be wrong had to be wrong and just like with everything else that Trump did they just reversed it you know like the Border controls no that's all that's all bad you know and and so we just have to throw it all out and they kind of did that and they brought in to their um to the various Iran focused Iran forward positions whether at the Pentagon or the state department they brought in people who were like-minded who wanted a softer approach and that in part was probably driven by an effort by the Iranians by the irgc the Irani re the Islamic revolutionary guard Corps they they were running an influence campaign here in the states they've been running it for almost 10 years now where they have worked to discredit any viable uh opposition to the Iranian regime and they have uh encouraged and supported um uh the Iran experts initiative I think it was called iei and that was a bunch of academics and others who you know uh all believed in the same soft approach to Iran and changing the narrative and that's where you got the know the US Special Envoy to uh to Iran in the Biden Administration Robert Mali who's now suspended had his security clearances pulled there's no real uh Curious journalists asking where that stands right uh you've got uh an individual over the Pentagon who uh still there still on a job and um has been promoting again this idea that you know we have to change Direction with Iran so you know there there I I know I'm kind of wandering down a a weird path
there but I I guess it's not a surprise it's just an odd decision right from the Biden Administration and you would think at this stage of the game if you're not convinced that you need to change course with the Iranian regime and treat them differently every time we try to shake their hand they smack it away right they I don't know how many times that has to happen before the bid Administration learns that's not the way to deal with them right so yeah yeah it's disappearing down a rabbit hole it just doesn't seem like there's any it doesn't seem like there's any rational solution to this this is what seems so [ __ ] to someone that's watching there's no like well hopefully this will happen and it'll all work out yeah um this is going to sound weird but I think long-term peace and stability in the Middle East right any road you want to take of a serious means to get to long-term stability and peace and prosperity and and a better life for whether it's Palestinians or anyone else out there uh I think that road leads through the Iranian regime and we have to deal with them and I don't mean militarily right I mean we have to you know although if they keep if they keep this up right I mean if if if one of these missiles hits one of these facilities and kills a you know God forbid a you know a number of US servicemen then what what what the hell are we going to do are we going to pretend like Iran still has nothing to do with it we you know unfreeze more assets at some point we've got to have the stones to actually deal with them because it's going to be easier doing that now than when they have a nuke right and I I I just I I'm curious as to what the current Administration is thinking about in terms of their policy towards Iran I I don't I don't uh I don't profess to understand it but I do think that um you know that you can't have stability every time you're going to get your way towards peace and stability in the Middle East in some fashion the Irani regime is going to screw it up because peace and stability means you're we're talking about Israel and peace and stability would again would imply that means they have a right to
exist and every time you get near that then I think the Iranian regime will do whatever they can to stop that from happening so at some point we gota we got to deal with it and what's the difference between the way this Administration handled it in the previous administration um I think it was mostly the attention to the sanctions and uh the economic pressure right on them and trying to enforce those sanctions um you know there was again not not not touting for for the previous administration either but just saying that their approach was tougher when it came to sanctions their approach was we have an adversary here we're not trying to become friends with them right now right because that's not their mindset right I mean it's it's like when you you know someone keeps you know telling their kid well look the bully just keep putting your hand out and trying to shake his hand and you know try to be his friend maybe he's just misunderstood or he's lacking confidence and and he keeps punching you in the nose right at some point you got to figure out okay I got to do something different here so I think the previous administration they were they were much tougher on the sanctions um and they they had a an approach much like with China right we you know they're they're a a yes they're a competitor but they're an adversary and and X's got a a plan that he gets him to the top of the food chain the Iranian regime has a plan that destroys Israel right that's their goal so uh I think that's what it was I think the Biden Administration is more inclined to think that we can all become a community of Nations right you unicorns flying out our ass and everybody's singing Kumbaya whatever the hell that song was um so uh I sound like a cynical [ __ ] no you sound like someone who actually know what the [ __ ] is going on which is scary yeah this administration's so goofy they're so weird it's so I just don't understand any of this well you know what's happening right now while we're talking um Biden is sitting down he might even be might even be right now sitting down with uh XI jingping in San Francisco did you see how they cleaned up San Francisco doesn't it look good I want to buy a condo there isn't that
amazing yeah yeah it's fantastic it's uh yeah it's crazy because because that city was a a a [ __ ] hole beautiful beautiful physical setting right great place but it was a [ __ ] hole uh well it still is still is yeah yeah yeah did you hear that uh what was it some new news organization from another country got robbed at gunpoint yeah yeah a camera crew got got robbed um covering the convention look this this this Apec convention's there for the week uh today is the big day when X and and Biden sit down and talk and um supposedly leading up to this Biden's main point during a press conference was you know the climate climate crisis um like she gives a [ __ ] about the climate it's just so again it kind of it all kind of falls together this like this this world that the the current Administration is living in I you know hey it'd be lovely if that was the case and that was our biggest issue but I'm hoping that part of this is not uh that that they don't spend a lot of time talking and although having said that John krey was was there in San Francisco because he's our climate Zar and he uh proudly announced whenever yesterday day before that part of this meeting will be to agree to a uh to to resume the climate whatever it was called climate working group so the Chinese and Americans will will get together now and we'll we'll be re-energized to talk about you know uh how we can both improve the climate meanwhile a very very uh reputable report came out and said that uh uh China the Chinese regime is building six times more coal plants than the rest of the world combined currently they're basically building two plants a week in terms of looking at at their construction and the permitting process um and you know people are saying well you know they're trying to find excuses well you know it's because they want to back up you know look they're the biggest you know uh purveyor of of renewable energy so they just want the coal in case there's a they need a backup and that's [ __ ] you know she looks at at coal as as a as a real driver in terms of energy security so anyway my point being is they're going to sit down and John krey spews this crap about you know they're going to have look at this we're working together
to save the planet and and China is just digging coal as fast as they can it's it's I I I find that part funny because it it just shows that we we're still misunderstanding uh you know the CCP and how they operate it's it's fantastic um but I hope that I hope they do come to some agreements because again you want them to you want the dialogue you want these two countries talking we don't even have consistent communication right now between the militaries right I mean if we get sideways with each other and you need to deconflict um you know that's that's a good thing if you have regular consistent conversation between the military command structures we don't have that right now you would think that the president of the United States and the president of or the head of China no matter who's in the white house you would think that we would just be having regularly uh you know conversations maybe once a quarter between that would make sense but we don't do do that I mean it's it's kind of [ __ ] up so hopefully they come to terms on on a couple of things I'm sure one will be the climate working group um they are supposed to come up with an agreement on uh was it on the use of AI in uh unmanned weapon systems and in uh the uh command and control systems for nuke weapons um I don't say nuclear because for some reason that's a tough word and I always get you know jammed up on nuclear and then people say you just said nuclear and that's all I get I get I get 2,000 uh you know Twitter messages saying what the [ __ ] wrong with you you can't say nuclear and so I just say nuke now [ __ ] nucar anyway uh I think a better solution is stop reading Twitter yeah although although I I uh no you're right actually that is that is probably and you've told me that before don't just don't read what what people write it's not good for you yeah yeah H although I been getting a lot of compliments about the president's Daily Brief oh that's great yeah did I just throw that out there yeah good for you yeah yeah it's number one on Spotify news now [ __ ] yeah I know that was my awes my primary goal was to beat NPR um and and we did and uh and now we've done a uh we're doing an afternoon
Edition too so you get your pdb in the morning with the president's Daily Brief and then in the afternoon on your way home or when you're unwinding over a cocktail you get the afternoon Bulletin and uh yeah it's been it's been a great experience but I digress do you enjoy diving into all this stuff now because you're you're doing this podcast I do I mean I always uh I I always have right so this is just a nice uh I mean I I don't even I hate to say it I don't even view it as as work or anything right it's just because it's interesting and it's the [ __ ] that I would be reading and thinking about anyway uh which means I've got a sad sad uh daytime life there um although I've got the world's greatest life but I think um uh it's yeah it's it's it's a straightforward process um the folks that work on it with me they do a great job we talk in the morning about you know what are the topics that we think are going to be the hot ones for the day that we sorry that we need to cover the next morning so we talk about that we put it together we finalize the Morning Edition by late in the evening now we're doing the afternoon bulletin so we're kind of doing the same thing but in a m of shorter view um and it's yeah I I I just I enjoy it because I like for whatever reason you want to know what the hell's going on in the world particularly when it's as [ __ ] up as it is now right so you end up kind of diving in but you don't dive into social media sites right I don't you know don't don't get your news from there you get your news from you know reputable sources if there still are some but you read a variety of them so hopefully it it balances out and uh yeah I I spend a ridiculous amount of time and then and then my boys you know the scooter and Sluggo and Mugsy they have to they have to put up with it right they have to listen to me bang on about [ __ ] right and so usually if I'm driving one of them to school in the morning that's when I I kind of talk to them about things oh boy they're like oh yeah I know exactly that's what you want when you're a 16 or you know 12y old or yeah the uh the middle boy he's uh he's still out boarding school at IMG uh so he doesn't have to listen to me anymore as much um but I tell you that's an operation IMG fantastic he's really
loved it not that you asked but I love talking about uh it's it's a it's an academy it's a boarding school down in uh Bradon Florida and he started there in uh late August plays basketball and uh it started as a as a tennis uh program Nick bueter so aasy and a bunch of folks went there and that they've built it up and it's an amazing it's like a D1 campus um and they do a great job so he's he's loving it down there their weight room's crazy look at that weight room whoa I mean yeah exactly that's like a like a major sports team's weight room yeah that's nuts it is crazy and they're and their teams and they you know so he's in Middle School um plays basketball and but they're you know they're they they're national champions in a variety of sports regularly um their football team looks like looks like Alabama right their high school football team um but it's a it's it's just a good bunch of people and they're and and you're giving kids an opportunity you know a lot of those kids they just love the sport right they're not going to advance to play college ball or you know that's a that's a small number but you give them the opportunity to Excel or to see what Excellence looks like and that helps them in in a variety of other things and and and propels them I think in life because they know I want to get to that point this is how hard I got to work now I got to make the decision do I do that or not and so they give them that opportunity and it's it's it's been great it's really and being a part of a structured program makes you realize like what's involved in success yes exactly uh and if you don't have that I mean that's why you know you look around sometimes and you think well what if people don't have Role Models if they don't have mentors if they don't have what looks like success right well then you maybe it's not a surprise that they're not succeeding right so you got to you know and this is a different example I'm you know I'm not making comparisons there between you know what happens in the you know inner city and they don't get to see things to to to that because that's you know you this is a very privileged opportunity that you know that that these young folks have um and they hopefully feel very fortunate about it right that's the other thing
gratitude you got to feel like you you appreciate you know your opportunities but um you know I think I worked on a I worked with a uh a nonprofit for a while in in New York City that was focused on education of middle school students and the idea being is that those kids in the city in New York City as an example they they make a decision is education for me am I going to stick with it am I going to high school right they make those decisions in middle school right and and that's a that's a that's a hard cut off for a lot of them right if they just get that impression that uh you know this is not for me I'm not going to succeed I'm not going to do it I I don't see any reason for it I don't I don't understand why I'm supposed to go to high school so the idea was you work with those kids and you give them the opportunity you show them what success looks like you show them what opportunity you know can can do for them and you encourage them and that and and you know they've got to do the work again they've got to they've got to try but you know a lot of those kids just don't they don't have that they got a mom who's working you know four jobs you know to put food on the table make ends meat right they they don't have role models that they need so it was it was a real eye opening experience uh and and a very good one but um what was that it was called citizen schools um and anyway um so yeah so I back to the original question yeah I I very much enjoy the president's Daily Brief it's a it's been a really good experience so far um and uh I think I mentioned that we're number one in news on Spotify yes you did mention that I did mention that okay what is your take on like one of the wildest Things that's happened we kind of touched on it briefly is how quickly everybody forgot about Ukraine it just went out of the news yeah it's like the moment Ukraine came along that's when everybody stopped talking about co co kind of just vanished cuz like okay now we have a new thing to focus on in virtue signal over that's a good point yeah instantly yeah yeah it just the pandemic just ended went away went away we're all good even with like crazy liberals that are still masking they kind of eventually took their masks off and said I think we need to just Ukraine is the focus now not
have you been on planes lately where you've seen people with masks still I see them walking down the street yeah in New York City I saw quite a few people on the street with masks on still yeah I don't also in New York City I was there while the free Palestine protests were going on those were wild and they attacked a UFC bus there's a bus filled with UFC fighters okay ruthless Robbie Lawler the former Welterweight Champion Jamal Hill who was the former uh light heavyweight champion they're on the bus and they're smashing the windows of the bus and they slash the tires of the bus and why did they target that bus because wrong time wrong place they they were going through and blocking traffic and the bus tried to make it through before the protesters did and they just charged the bus and started smashing it and breaking Windows they thought the bus was trying to run them over or something God yeah and you know Robbie Lawler was on the bus he told everybody stay calm and he goes we're going to need our energy if we have to fight this that is the last [ __ ] dude you want calm and ready to fight I mean he would have gone out and slaughtered 20 people I I was going to say could you imagine you've seen what these protesters look like like most of them are you know at best or a buck right and like a bag of milk yeah they've been eating a lot of you know a lot of uh oat milk and and veggies not that that's a bad thing but they're so confident in numbers it's so crazy well yeah I was I was there last week there was a massive protest uh not massive I don't want to overstate it but there was a big protest outside the New York Public Library and I was just walking down I was heading towards uh forget where Grand Central or something and uh and you could hear the noise start to build right you kind of block after block it gets louder gets louder and then and there you go and you see it and I was kind of fascinated cuz I thought okay well who is here and there's all these diverse groups right there's like lgbtq for free Palestine I'm thinking wild that's wild that is wild that's crazy I saw I saw a sign that say Koreans for for free Palestine I'm thinking well what how did you how'd you get roped into this or was
this just like a side hobby of yours you just you've always loved Palestine and uh it was it was an interesting uh moment but you could also see people the faces of people walking passing you on the streets and sort of the unease right because it was underlying it it just seemed hostile right and and it was it seemed angry right it wasn't it wasn't a it wasn't a protest out there just like you might normally see for some benign issue this was this was a little ugly and I it's shocked people I think uh is this organized and is it organized and funded and if it it's organized and funded by who well when you look at it you see lots and lots and lots of graphically well-designed professionally produced posters being held up and then you see occasionally you'll see the like the one-offs the the hand scaled Koreans for free Palestine um and you see the rows of portapotty right somebody's putting this together right and so somebody's spending money right and they're getting permits and they're doing these things right it's not like some random they want you to believe that it's this Grassroots thing MH it's it's it's funded and it's uh organized and you know where that money is coming from who knows I'm sure it's coming from a variety of of uh of leftist organizations and and uh you know I it's who knows maybe some of it's coming from Hamas you know businesses and organizations that is exactly what they would do right is to promote this that's that's and the Iranians are busy you know on social media sites doing the same thing look disinformation is everywhere you can't swing a dick cat without hitting a disinformation campaign um and uh which reminds me that we'll talk about that later on but the Chinese uh uh have been kind of caught with her hand in the cookie jar over a a very large scale disinformation campaign uh trying to influence um policy and and decision- making and attitudes here in the US um but it's it's what Hamas would do it's it's what what the Iranians would do uh with more resource uh is to uh organize these types of things and and ideally again you want to make them seem spontaneous you want to make them and so you know and it works you see that on the news you see oh my God we
got these protests and say well you know there's a lot of people against this and and you know the next thing you know there's this International pressure and then suddenly the White House is talking out of both sides of their mouth they have unequivocal support for Israel but you know I think we might need a pause here you know we might need we can't do this you know they okay um that's simply because of the Biden Administration looks out there they make a political calculation they see all these protests here in the US I mean the college campuses they've got a 2024 election coming up they don't want to lose the arab-american vote they certainly don't want to lose the youth vote so what do they got to do they got to Pivot a little bit and they got to start talking about ceasefire or long pause or you know by God don't be firing up a hospital or whatever yeah no [ __ ] Sherlock I think the IDF knows not to you know go in you know full boore inside a hospital right I think they're going to be a little more strategic than that but the White House does it for uh so they're basically driving foreign policy because of us uh domestic political concerns right what's going to happen in the 2024 election so I don't think that's necessarily a good way to run foreign policy what is the China thing you're saying China got caught with their hand in the cookie jar oh yeah that's another good thing I I nice if if Biden would mention this to XI when they're sitting down uh which they they are um but uh they called it uh spamf flage or I think it had a code name of of Dragon Bridge um and the idea was the Chinese Communist Party through their Ministry of of public security is running a large scale um uh disinformation campaign and part of it is targeted at Chinese dis so part of it targeted here in the states at Chinese journalists and activists and others who speak out against G in in the regime and so the idea being is that they they basically hunt these people down online uh they troll them they they overwhelm their message by using thousands and thousands of of accounts that they've set up in these Farms um most of this has run out of Beijing um and the idea being they're just basically either trying to push
down the activist voice right and and create a better more positive narrative for XI uh or in some cases they're actually trying to find them right and uh influence them directly and so there was that story about um New York City that uh these secret police stations that the ministry of public security the Chinese Communist party's Ministry of public security was running here in the states and still continue to run frankly but they had a couple of their NPS agents here in in New York or in New York um and part of what they were doing was was uh dealing directly with activists basically uh threatening them harassing them uh and uh trying to again shut them up um they've done other things too I mean they they were involved in spreading messages related to the uh the the George Floyd protests so they've got evidence and this is this is a a report that uh who did this CNN I think put this together after studying a vast amount of documentation right and uh and uh information that was foed and brought out from a variety of places and also from social media sites that pulled together their own research so at George Floyd you know uh protests then the the second year of that they're still promoting it and the idea is they're pushing out narratives that say you know America is a completely racist Society you know and and democracy doesn't work and you know that that's exactly what you would expect them to do but it's it's on a scale that I don't think we understood stood uh completely right and and the US government has just come out basically and felt like they hadn't I think meta was also involved in the in the research and they've come out and talked about it and said yeah this is this this is a problem now whether Biden talks to him about that or not I don't know but the other thing they do is that they came out and they identified but we talked about this before is you know the Chinese regime using this disinformation campaign this spamf flage or whatever it be uh some of the specific examples where they went after a a a texas-based uh uh rare Earth's processing facility right so basically uh working to uh to shut that down essentially right to get the to get the voices in the community against this and how do they do that well they promote they sponsor they they uh they
encourage uh environmental groups and activist groups right and so you know it's not as again it's not it's not as if people want to make a direct connection and say are you telling me that Greenpeace is taking money from the CCP and no it's more sophisticated than that right but they are doing that they are um promoting these environmental activist groups to basically push that message that mining's bad right you don't want to go after Rare Earth minerals because that's bad for the Earth right certainly not processing and so meanwhile meanwhile they have a [ __ ] Monopoly on the whole thing right but they've been doing that for years right and they know and so what theyve realized uh relatively early on was uh even more so than going out and locking up Mining rights overseas right if you're talking about you know the Congo you're talking about uh Australia South America you know for for lithium um then even more important was impacting your main competitor regulatory policies right and so they they understood that if they if they can encourage right local and city councils and state governments and the federal government to um and and they they really focus on local and and and state because that's an easier lift right going changing federal policy can can they probably got tired of the bureaucracy but they uh they understood that if they can do that to enact uh anti-mining regulations no you can't explore no it's going to take you 10 years to get a permit to explore for lithium you know in Nevada or Idaho or wherever um that's that's right in line with their strategy to become the provider uh provider of rare earth and critical minerals because they also understood they're smart enough they've got a long fision here and they look at the at the US they look at Europe and we're all self-righteously banging on about Howell we're going to it's it's all electric we nothing but electric we're getting off this fossil fuels so they look at that and go great well we're we're on top of that right we're going to be in charge of that market so that's what they've been doing and they go after these local governments and they and they encourage through the spamf flage or whatever um uh and also again in supporting
environmental groups to push this right and create this ground swall the some guy in a city council is looking and going oh yeah I'm not approving that uh that phosphate mining exercise right I'm not approving whatever and and um you know you can't have agriculture really without phosphate for fertilizer so that's a that's a pretty important thing um but some city councilman he's not going to sit there and go well I think this is probably you know maybe sponsored by the CCP and he just hears some environmentalists to come to the city council meetings and you know protest or make an argument and he thinks yeah I'm voting against it right it's good for the earth now I get to feel good about myself too so anyway that those are the sort of things that uh that take place that you know uh again do most people think about that sort of [ __ ] no I don't think so right but it's what makes the world go around right everything's interconnected and so [ __ ] doesn't happen without a reason so when you ask you know are these protests sponsored who's paying for them that's a great [ __ ] question for journalists to dig into right if they were curious enough you know I don't think they are but it would make an interesting story and if and if someone did that yeah maybe they you know get an award I don't know well at least it should be discussed to the point where it's a narrative where the general public is aware of it and Congress is aware the general public is aware of it so this is something that's on the table you can't just openly say we can't mine because of this environmental groups have said that there should be some discussion like hey why are they saying that what's funding that and if you look at the funding oh look it's tied to China oh look they're running Cobalt mines in the Congo oh look they're the ones who are doing all of these rare Earth mineral mines they have a monopoly on this business they don't want us doing it for business reasons right right and then also they are the providers of that the more we buy electric the more they sell these minerals yeah I mean they've got they've got a lock on processing it is it's a it's but it's you have to admire the fact that you know they they've thought this through right right and they they kind of went soup the nuts they you know
the start of the process to the finish all right what do we do how do we control it I never understood that I mean it's term soup Soup To Nuts Soup To Nuts what is that you do you get it Jamie have you have you ever it can we look up the uh the origin of Soup To Nuts when you say it I know what you're saying but I I'm like where the [ __ ] did that come from it's derived from the description of a full course dinner really so you start with soup and you finish with nuts Who finishes with nuts finishes withut it may also refer to a 1930 feature film starring the three stoes called Soup To Nuts a the three stoes I love the three stoes all roads lead to the three stoes but only curly I'm not C the best sh no yeah curly I was not a F yeah my my wife the world's greatest person she has a theory that women uh only like The Three Stooges when they're dating you right they'll pretend that they like the Three Stooges she say but no woman out there no no nobody likes the three stoes she's on the female side she and so but if they're dating you they'll pretend to like the three stoes h I know I think she's not wrong do I think she's not wrong I I don't want anybody pretending they like anything yeah no you know I know if a woman was pretending like things i' start thinking maybe this lady's pretending she likes me yeah this could be a [ __ ] full-on scam yeah where does this end yeah where does this deception end oh god um tell me you think the three stoes suck we could still get along I I don't no one has to curly doesn't suck he doesn't suck no one has to like what I like I never understood that yeah imagine dating someone they have to like everything you like oh God no my wife was getting up in the morning like when are we bow hunting Mark Norman called it special oh no [ __ ] yeah sou nuts oh that's right he did that's right that's where I heard it recently Mark Norman the [ __ ] man but we go back to the same question who finishes a meal with nuts yeah what have you ever done that never anybody wants some nuts no nuts are something to eat for a snack you start maybe maybe you start you have a drink before before you sit down to dinner sure and maybe there's some nuts no soup there's a lot of there a was that a thing they did back in the day they nuts was dessert I
think that was it yeah maybe you had nuts in a cheese plate I think you finish with cheese too uh that's also odd that is odd because you got a full meal and then somebody brings you a big wheel of cheese and you're supposed to put that down but isn't like that something also that you have like on a Cherie board right that's like the beginning of the meal little appetizer is it Char cerie or Sherie I don't know I don't know I never know what to say this is the sort of thing that you know I may have to dig into yeah Soup To Nuts just look at this yeah yeah um so anyway so it's that's the that's a spamf flage that's a dragon bridge program that the Chinese were were running uh or are are running oh they must still be running but are we running something like that too that we have to be it would be kind of irresponsible if the government of the United States knew that all these other countries were involved in propaganda against us and we weren't doing the same yeah no I I I don't disagree I uh probably the best example would be um uh Voice of America right back during the Cold War Days the whole point of that exercise was to change hearts and Minds convince people behind the wall that uh that democracy was the you know was the the bees knees can we look that up too the bees knes um so the [ __ ] what do that mean all the bells and whistles was coming up too but I don't know where that came from all the Bell whist whistles that seems like just like oh everything's crazy up the flag see who salutes all we we got a million of them but let's not um so um I completely forgot what the [ __ ] we talk whether or not we're running some sort of a propaganda campaign as well and that we have to be yeah does that ever happen to you though where you just in a in a second you've forgotten what it is that you were just talking about oh yeah yeah yeah I worry about that sometimes I worry like okay I'm Advanced age and is this is it should I be paying attention to this right you can mitigate that with neut Tropics do you ever take New Tropics no what's that neut Tropics are new do we have any Lan around here new Tropic yeah here alphab brain this is my favorite this is alphab brain Black Label this is the stuff that I take if ever I'm G to talk to like a scientist well I did I take it for most podcasts I
didn't take it today but uh I take it for most I take it when I'm talking to a smart guy yeah I just did I just being honest I didn't appreciate that but most of the times I take it I wouldn't want you to pretend that I'm smart no I would take it for you if then I got to wonder do you actually like me or not listen I came right out of the gym and walked right in here which that is true so it's like I'm already energized jazzed up we already did the sauna you know so I'm I'm fired up how hot is that son can I ask you a question is it true because uh my wife always says look don't don't do the sauna I mean I you know because I've had some heart issues um and so um but is that true sauna is bad for someone with a heart condition I don't believe it is I think you could probably over tax yourself in the sauna just like you could over tax yourself with extreme cardiovascular working out but what the sauna does do for sure is elevate your heart rate but what's essentially like it's like doing static cardio what I would say is someone who has a heart condition definitely speak to a physician definitely talk to your doctor about it what does it say here can individuals with a heart condition use a sauna and is it dangerous while the use of a sauna is considered safe for most individuals exceptions for those with unstable heart disease for individuals with any of the following conditions may not be safe unstable angina pectoris do you have that uh so let's see what the heart diseases are yeah but I I think these are people that are like ready to die yeah um recent heart attack within 2 weeks now mine was uncontrolled hypertension decompensated heart failure and severe aortic stenosis yeah I don't think it's bad for you this is what it does first of all the benefits of it are vast there was a study out of Finland that showed out of 20 years they did this long-term study people who use the sauna four times a week experienced a 40% decrease in all cause mortality [ __ ] 40% decrease in stroke uh heart attacks cancer everything and the reason for that is heat shock proteins what happens when you're in the sauna it's it's you can't stay in there right you can only stay in there for a short amount of time so you do 20
minutes okay and what happens during that 20 minutes is your body is freaking out because it's 185 degrees in there and you're sweating and your heart is pounding and you develop static cardio so your your heart rate many times when I do it I go straight straight from working out my heart rate's already elevated and I climb right into 185° my heart rate stays elevated okay and it gets as high as 150 beats per minute sometimes especially if I'm doing like heavy duty cardio and then I jump right into the sauna it's rough but it extends your cardiovascular output and it creates heat shock proteins and heat shock proteins reduce inflammation throughout the body there's amazing benefits for the sauna does it uh what's the word dilute uh blood vessels does it constrict I don't think so why would it constrict I don't know I was I was just asking cardio doesn't constrict so I don't think it would constrict I'm just asking you just have to make sure a you're hydrated you you have to take electrolytes which I do I take a lot of electrolytes and I stay hydrated and then you get in there and you've you're essentially you know you're treating your body in a way that your it's not not sustainable right so your body knows like oh my God I'm GNA [ __ ] die if this guy stays in here and so that process of your body compensating for that heat creates these heat shock proteins and these heat shock proteins are amazing at reducing inflammation in your body you feel great when you get out of there you just feel loose and relaxed and there's an overall sense of wellness and well-being it's just really good for you I always like the SAA I just it was never as aggressive as as you know the uh protocol that you go through but yeah but you don't have to do that you could do 160 160 for 15 minutes it just anytime you can get into the sauna and get those heat shock proteins it's good for your body yeah and if you're worried about your heart just don't do it so hot just do it 160 and do it for 15 minutes and and build up build yourself up to it but it's great for your overall health yeah yeah that's I mean it's I've been meaning to like mention it to my uh uh cardiologist but I'm I'm too disorganized what is the issue with your heart you know I was uh I don't think I ever told you I was on a
on a plane boarded a plane with with my wife we were going to Puerto Rico so we went through Dallas Fort Worth so we get on the plane to go from DFW to Puerto Rico and we're taxing we're basically gotten to the runway and now they're turning out of the runway they're getting ready to wind the engines up and I'm just sitting there and I look at her and I said you know I don't feel that uh and that's where and I went out and I had a what they called a a Widowmaker right oh you told me yeah and so I just went down and I woke up at uh Baylor Heart Center which thank God is only a few minutes away from DFW um but ever since then uh I've been on you know whatever um blood pressure medicine blood thinners you know you know if I'm out we're out doing something outdoors and everything and I I cut myself pretty much it just put a bullet in me because I'm just I'm I'm bleeding and um and so but that's what the the blood thinners do for you what is the condition what is um you know what it's uh it's uh heart disease it's uh I forget they have a word for it it sounds very depressing when they say it uh congenital heart disease or something like that so you know so it's a genetic thing nothing I can do about it really right so you know I could I could I've modified my diet obviously and and uh kind of adjusted the way that I work out but none of that's going to make much difference it's it's in your if it's in your family it's in your family in a sense right it's and it's the the high rate of passing it on so you know my uh my my my parents went from that uh my brothers all have various issues and are carrying around Hardware right I've got some stance and you know so it's nothing you know I don't I don't I don't sit around I'm not deep enough to sit around and worry about it necessar except for things like this where I think well can I do that still is that still but I'm not you know then again I'm also like I said I'm not organized enough to say well I should talk to my cardiologist I think H just do it or I just I won't you know and but I need to be a little more curious if you if you're not a this you know I hear this all the time if you're not an advocate for yourself in healthcare you're [ __ ] or if you don't have somebody to advocate for you right
cu the healthcare system in the US is so complex and not geared towards preventing it's geared towards treating right sickness right it's geared towards giving you medication yes it's geared towards giving you medication so if you're not if you're not curious enough and if you're not aggressive enough and proactive enough and taking care of yourself or having someone who's doing that for you you know it's it's a tough ride but uh back to neut Tropics what they're essentially the the building blocks for human neurotransmitters and what has been done through this like this is how we created on it in the first place okay when we created on it we were trying to Fig well I got I got really interested in neut Tropics from a product called neuro1 and I was on this radio station in San Francisco uh Sarah and noname um and they had uh one of the noname that was forget what his real name is but he had this stuff called neuro one that uh Bill Romanowski created after his football career because he was having bunch of problems from concussions and memory loss and all sorts of different things so he started researching um different nutrients that enhance memory there's a bunch of different ones um that are uh considered neut Tropics there's some stuff that I use called neurogum and this is uh this is some stuff neuro mints I have no affiliation with these people other than I buy their stuff I do have an affiliation with on it but so we created this and when we created it we it was a lot of people like oh this is snake oil so we ran two double blind Placebo controlled studies at the Boston Center for memory and it showed increase in verbal memory it showed increase in Reaction Time Peak Alpha Flow State it works and with hon it we have 100% money back guarantee too so if you try and it doesn't work you get your money back what it does do do is it enhances I'm want make sure they still have that I'm saying that but the the bottom line is what it does is it enhances your memory and enh it your mind works better when you take it and again it's not just Alpha Brain which I do take there's another stuff that another product that I've taken called true brain that works really well I really like that neuro one stuff you
just mix it with water the neuro gum is great cuz I I'll I'll chew a couple pieces of neuro gum before I do stand up before you know I do different things where I have to really think clearly it works okay yeah well I'm sold I'll give it a try 's There's real nutrients that have been clinically shown to enhance memory and what we have done is created a synergistic uh compounded blend of these and we sell it in that form and this is the strongest form of it was Alpha Brain Black Label okay yeah yeah I I mean there are times yeah there are some times when I just like I yeah 30 seconds and I'm like what was I talking about it'll help you well I guarantee it'll help you it's there's a a ton of my friends swear by it I've given it to them and they're like holy [ __ ] this stuff works you know my friend Anthony who's the director of the UFC he takes it every time he you know when you're producing the UFC there's all these [ __ ] moving parts and this camera get this guy over here moving that you have to be on point and uh he said it's made a tremendous difference for him but it it'll help your memory yeah it does work um and it's where do you get it online or yeah you can get it online I'll send it to you I'll just give me the address I'll have a bunch sent to you cool um I was I was going to mention Ukraine uh because we started talking about that and how quickly we we turned off it but um you see zalinsky is's asking for credit now because we won't give him any more money yeah yeah give me credit and I'll pay you back yeah that's hey that's not a a good road to go down um but look they they're they're in a bind um I was going to mention that uh UK uh intelligence um they came out with a a report looking at uh the total number of casualties on the Russian side so far and they are basing it on they've done a fairly exhaustive study and and they they're basing it on they think it's about 300,000 right 300,000 casualties not all dead I mean I think there's 120,000 of those are dead but to put that in context right it's it's not even two years yet for uh for Russia uh in terms of this war and so 120,000 dead they lost uh in Afghanistan which for them was 10 years uh they lost about 15,000 or so again according to estimates right I mean it's
because neither the Russians nor the ukrainians are are you know being transparent for you know reasons that you can imagine in terms of morale but they're not being transparent about their numbers on the Ukraine side it's you know again decent us estimates it could be about 70,000 or so C so it's a lot more Russians than ukrainians lot more but they have a lot more uh Personnel right I mean you think about it they they're three to one right in terms of outnumbering the ukrainians on the battlefield they've got a but that's pretty extraordinary though it is uh it it speaks to uh poor command and control it speaks to poor um uh battle management right it's there's a lot of reasons it also speaks to just a complete lack of of concern over the lives of a lot of the soldiers they thrown out there those numbers by the way don't they don't even involve or the uh uh Wagner group or private contractor groups so who knows how many of those folks went but um the problem is is that yeah you look at that you go that's awful right but it shows Putin's mindset he doesn't care right he's he's willing to keep throwing people into this grinder and say yeah fine so it does look like and and the winter months are approaching uh which slows everything down um it does look like this thing is going to go on for a while and I mean unless they can come up with some settlement but right now the Russian military is pushing offensively right they're trying to actually regain and gain some ground right before the winter months really set in the counter offensive that Ukraine's put together is has been you know somewhat disappointing to to put it mildly um and then during the winter what's going to happen the Russians are going to um they're going to spend their time attacking uh Ukraine energy targets to try to freeze them out during the winter which they tried last year and uh had some success with um they're also going to dig in they're going to harden their lines where they're at uh the you got the ukrainians they're you know things slow down they're probably going to end up focused most of the time on on supply chain right if they can if they can cut the supply chain uh or the the supply line Sorry for uh for the Russian military that's a big win right and and
that's why they've been so Keen to get um uh more advanced artillery systems in there because they want to be able to hit those facilities they want to be hit the lines they want to be able hit command and control because I think they realize you know they're getting into uh one of their generals actually said this and then shalinsky had to come out and clean up and say no we're not in a stalemate but one of the generals said we're kind of approaching a stalemate here so and but to your point yeah all those people that were out there waving flag saying we stand with Ukraine nobody gives a [ __ ] right now it's over right it's over I mean so and and you know Republicans are I always thought the Republicans wanted to defeat communism and and defeat you know somebody like Putin but you know they're the ones breaking ranks right now saying we don't want to SP now you know their point is we want to see transparency you know we want to know where that money's going and that's a good thing some of them are just kind of reading political Tea Leaves and saying H you know I I think the general Public's getting tired of this some of them are legitimately saying we're spending way too much money on Ukraine why aren't we spending it here um and what kind of accounting do we have on the money that goes over to Ukraine well and here's here's where it's it's it's it's it's complicated in the sense that we spent a lot of time berading Ukraine for being very corrupt and it has been it's been very corrupt uh and so that's part of the problem is we knew going into this that they had a real corruption issue and then we give them 80 plus billion dollar um and we don't necessarily have the best accounting right going back to we're giving $10 billion to Iran but by God we're going to know exactly where every penny spent no we're not didn't they catch one guy in Ukraine that embezzled a billion dollars and they just fired him that's it they didn't arrest him they didn't they've got some actually they've got some of their their military uh Personnel now who were responsible for procurement they've got them um in jail and coming up on charges and you know they'll probably be convicted um now they have to say they've Stamped Out the problem is ridiculous look ziny
knows that he's got to be seen as being very aggressive towards corruption because that's going to keep the money flowing right and and he desperately needs that if he doesn't have us assistance and US Aid this thing goes from being a a potential stalemate to it swings the other way in Russia's favor and and not in a really uh lengthy period of time so he he knows he's got to be seen as doing everything possible to uh Stamp Out corruption and also having the optic of stamping out corruption right regardless of how successful he may be but um it's it's a real problem for him and look the EU is sticking closer to them I mean we're getting these cracks and in support here in the US uh the European Union is is uh they're still all in because they're right there right and and so they understand that you can't let Putin win this um so they they're tightening sanctions uh look I biggest problem we've got is we haven't gone after uh the energy sector for Russia just like we really haven't for the for the Iranians right we've uh you the EU implemented what they call an oil price cap so they said okay you know um you know we'll only allow Russian oil to be sold on the market at $60 a barrel that's the cap now the Russians figured out pretty quickly because that's you know what they're good at how to bust that sanction right so they created their own tanker Fleet and they started getting and you know they've they've initially when when the uh that oil cap was put in placed by the EU their revenues really dipped and when oil revenues dip in Russia Putin can't [ __ ] around right he can't do what he's doing he can't support it and we haven't been serious about maintaining that we haven't because you know in part it's energy Europe needs that some of that energy so they got to keep it flowing uh but you know they figured out a way to beat those sanctions and so you know they've they've doubled the amount of money that they made in October compared to September so so they're they're you know they're generating enough to keep the war effort going is what I'm saying in a not particularly eloquent way so yeah I don't know when is the nordstream pipeline right so Seymour Hurst reported that the US destroyed the nordstream pipeline but
now it's being talked that zalinski and the ukrainians destroyed it yeah yeah it looks like um what's his name javinsky um one of the I I forget what his name is um but it does looked like based on the latest reporting that it was a uh Special Operations effort by Ukrainian military and the reporting is that it was a small team operation that zilinsky was kept in the dark um in part because you know they wanted to give him plausible deniability and um it's not necessarily a good look if they don't you know go to the leader and say this is what we're thinking about doing do you authorize it zinsky probably would have said know so there's an element of that they probably thought well we think it's a good idea so we're going to do it let's keep him in the dark and then he can say he didn't know anything about it um but it does look like it was a a small team operation sailed a boat maybe two boats out there you know Dove down blew up the the pipeline and then it's been it but it's been confusing ever since right how did Seymour hirs get it wrong uh I don't know I don't know what his sources were so I don't want to say anything he's he's a very you know he's he's a focused and energetic investigative guy he certainly got a lot of experience so I don't know what his sources were um but uh there was you know it was Russia was was was being blamed people were saying Russia did it which you know was not out of the realm of possible um people were saying it's the US people were saying it's Britain uh people were saying it's Ukraine you know everybody was blaming everybody else and it's still not completely clear but it does look like uh it was something that the ukrainians did and you know at the end of the day that would makes sense I think but um it so it still needs a little more clarity but I think that's that seems to be where it's going in terms of the reporting but um it's yeah it's it's it's remarkable because what February will be two years and we were in Afghanistan for what 20 years um before people just said [ __ ] it we're done right we can't do it anymore this has been two not not even two years and we got some people in the States going [ __ ] it you know we're kind of
done you know do we really need to worry about this and you know yeah it'd be great to figure out a way to be more efficient with our our spending of our money and more transparent with it but you know I don't think people should underestimate Putin's ability to U keep putting people in the front line and just riding this out because his calculation uh much like it was with Hamas masas knew what was going to happen with their narrative I think Putin looked looks at the west and says you'll get tired of this right I I'll just Outlast you cuz I don't care and he's he's dedicated to you know rebuilding in some fashion this the old Soviet Union aren't they taking prisoners out and giving them like there's what was the report that they were taking people that had these long-term prison sentences and they were giving them the option to fight in the war and they would release him that's yeah that's exactly right um and that's where uh uh you Genny pran who who ran the Wagner group uh or was the owner essentially U of the wag group and then he died in that completely mysterious plane accident after he tried to stay Jak c yeah I don't know what happened I'm going to look into that because I'll bet there's I'll bet there's there's a conspiracy there there's a conspiracy there but I I'll bet we could get to the bottom of it it says it's unverified but that I mean they are reporting it Ukrainian p is being sent to fight their own Army Russian news claims oh wow so they're taking Ukrainian PS oh unverified footage from State media shows captured soldiers swearing allegiance to Russia as a part of new Battalion wow well that makes sense well now it depends on where those folks were taking p and it depends because if they were in eastern Ukraine remember um then the bombass region yeah the Russians have been there for you know what going on 10 years and the Russian argument is always well these people are more Russian than they are Ukrainian they're actually should be with the motherland so you know you may be talking about folks who got picked up and were like [ __ ] it I just got conscripted into this I didn't you know not me I'm Russian or I I consider myself to be
Russian so it it it may there may be something more to this um but yeah on the other side yeah the Russians have the ragnet group built itself up by pulling recruits out of prisoners out of prison and you know throwing them in the front lines and you know that's but I guess you know the point being is that Putin is doing what in a way the Russian military's always done they've just outlasted right you look at World War II I mean you know what they put up with there and the losses that they had I mean it's insane and you know I think the German calculation was always well we'll just we'll we'll get to a certain number and they'll give in and they never did right because they can put up with a lot of suffering so I think that that's what Putin's counting on here and and again he looks at the west and goes yeah you guys aren't going to last this one out and you know again if he's right and USA dries up for Ukraine you know that's fine if that's what people want but they better understand what that means and it means Putin's going to win right and so you know um just understand what your your actions could lead to when Trump comes along and says I could wrap all this up in 20 24 hours how is that even possible what is he saying there yeah that's a good one I know I the only guy what does he say he says I'm the only one who can solve this I'm the only one who can sort these things out um like you know he's you know Trump's being Trump and uh but he's you know he doesn't believe that you know I think he's he's he he's not an idiot he's he says these things and he knows it's he's saying it and it he's going to get a sound bite and for Trump you know all media is good media so but no there's there's no way to to solve this one uh easily uh look at this I we've got two [ __ ] major conflicts going on in two different parts of the world that are enormously complex right and you look and go okay what what is this what how are we wrapping this one up right how are we going to end this um it's a very you know I'm not saying anything that's particularly clever but it's an enormously uh difficult time right now and people talk about wow World War II you know that was always the the beef on
on Trump was he's going to lead us into World War III well I mean I don't know can he do any worse than where we're at right now um you know again I think you know maybe so but it's just I I don't think we're I don't think we're at the World War I point um we would be the potential for a bad thing to happen if Iran had the nuke right uh that increase is exponential right because then in that situation you know you don't know and and maybe it does happen and you get attacks Israel yeah Iran attacks Israel um I don't think it's going to happen in part because I don't think Israel is going to allow that to happen getting good Intelligence on the the state of the weapons program in Iran is a very heavy lift but I think um Israel you know has uh certainly better intelligence than they had on the potential Hamas attack that that was building um so I think if they if they get that sense I think they will act because they're probably thinking well same calculation right we we we can't we're certainly not going to be able to find stability once they get that right because that's just going to loom over the region and then the Saudis will say okay we want one too right maybe maybe more than one you usually have more than one in your closet um and and then all hell breaks loose so you know people always worry about well why why are we why are we talking about the Iranians and getting the nuke well look at the [ __ ] regime right and look at what they're willing to do and look at the trouble that they instigate and the problems that they create the instability that they generate you think really you think it's going to get better if they get what they want with a with a weapons program so I think they the Israelis the IDF would would make every effort to degrade that capability if they thought that the breakout was too soon and who knows you know maybe the US military you know depending on the administration maybe they would step in and provide that support I I don't know so the previous administration had harsher sanctions and what else did they do that was mitigating a lot of the problems we're seeing right now well they did
remember they they they killed solmani right um from the rgc that sends a message right solmani had a lot of blood on his hands you know look you have remember the Iranian regime is also responsible for the death and and uh and and uh injury of a lot of us service Personnel right and because they were they were actively involved in working to get IEDs into Iraq and and they were training and and and providing support and and and I mean so they were killing US service people right and you know again we we we keep trying to imagine that somehow we can disconnect around okay we're not talking about the Iranian regime we're talking about their proxies and everything but again it all kind of kind of flows back to them um so I don't know I think I'm not I'm not suggesting a a uh military conflict with them you know don't get me wrong but I do think there are things we can be doing that can can that can um perhaps uh minimize their desire to pursue this path or at least make it more difficult for them to you're not going to you're not going to get rid of that desire but yeah so killing suani was uh was a good example of what understand right they look at that and go okay they fired a couple of missiles and and they gave us a heads up before they did it right because they were like [ __ ] you know if they're willing to do this now we have to respond because we have to show you know the our proxies and we have to show our our regional neighbors that that we're serious right we you know we're not going to get pushed around but they give us a heads up and say we're going to fire a couple of missiles and you know so that's that shows you that's deterrence right and that did then that that t them down occasionally you get a hoodie missile flying over from Yemen but um so I think that's again you you have to you have to do something that's deterrence and blowing up a weapons Depot in response to a couple dozen missile drone strikes and then they keep doing that and then the last one I think was Sunday this past Sunday we uh we hit a uh a training site and uh a safe house I think used by irgc and also by some militants that they have in the area um and then immediately after that that was the third response
immediately after that we get more missile and drone strikes so you know again uh you know repeating the same thing over and over again expecting what is that saying expecting a different result it's a definition of uh Insanity um so the previous administration you know they had a lot of you know flaws and problems but I think in dealing with Iran I think they were they they were demonstrably tougher and I think also in dealing with with China I think they were demonstrably tougher um we'll see what happens out of this meeting today with with Biden and she not particularly optimistic what do you what's your take on this whole Trump trial CU one of the wildest aspects of it is that every time they go after him he rises in the polls and you know he was at the UFC this weekend in Masson Square Garden and he's showed up at the UFC before and the response back then was a lot of Cheers there were some booze this is a couple years ago now when he walked out of Madison Square Garden it was [ __ ] bananas really it was the whole place was cheering he walks out to Kid Rock's American Badass with Kid Rock and Tucker Carlson walking in like the right Wing Avengers and the place went nuts he's on the screen and I'm telling you the 99% other than Bill bur's wife 99% well Bill's wife yeah there was that that's a Bud Light moment right there yeah yeah I mean you C can you hear it oh no give me some volume why isn't it not sure see if we get some V cuz I'm telling you the [ __ ] cheers of the crowd were nuts I mean it was overwhelmingly in support of him and it lasted a long time I mean it was a roll bu one ofs fans I know president Donald Trump taking his octagon side seats for UFC two that's [Music] [Applause] crazy we got we got two title fights coming up at UFC 295 here in a matter of moments live from Madison Square Garden I mean you had to hear what the crowd sounded like before he walked in and then when he did I mean it was just overwhelming cheers for like over a
minute I mean just imagine a minute of people screaming at the top of their lungs yeah well I mean so you look at you look at the trial and you have to assume you can kind of tell that this is the Pereira fight [Applause] [Music] okay and obviously this is a cage fighting crowd yeah right this is this is not the like a a [ __ ] unbiased sample of the general say yeah the the New York Elite buying tickets to the cage fight certainly not the Liberals but yeah if you look at the trial um look the Democrats look at that and they they think the same thing which is what the [ __ ] right they think how you know how do we beat that and so you know maybe you beat it by just you just keep throwing [ __ ] at the wall until something sticks right and but to your point every time they do that his poll numbers go up and you know and Biden's doing his own thing over there where his poll numbers are going down because of you know his his his own actions and the current administration's Behavior but not just that people realize he's really rapidly deteriorating yeah yeah yeah I mean there was a video the other day they were showing before the 2020 election Biden was talking and is a market difference between his ability to communicate then versus now yeah I mean it takes years off of anybody right you look at look at any of these presidents Trump ex he did seem energized water off a duck he just [ __ ] went right through it despite all the crap right despite three years of the Russian collusion you know witch hunting story and all that that went on um and uh yeah it is there's people that still believe in the Russian collusion narrative I know some of them wild I've had conversations with people what about this whole Russia thing like what Russia thing tell me what happened tell me what the reality of it was how much of it do you do you know how much of it was [ __ ] how much of it was just Hillary Clinton propaganda well and and then and then we have on on the other side of this so you have that you have these guys Jamie Rasin Adam shiff all these guys that spent every day in front of the cameras talking
about the evidence they've got and and this is to save America and this is all the angst over trying to destroy our democracy and it's it's all about compromise you know being compromised and and uh disinformation and then I go back to that story I mentioned earlier about um about Iran right and the Iran um um initiative um which there's a lot there right there's it's proven that there was an effort by the irgc to influence um government policy and through the use of government staffers who were sympathetic to the Irani regime and also academics to push that narrative into school you would think you'd like to think that Jamie Rasin and and Adam Schiff and all the others who were so concerned about being compromised and all that you would think that they would be out there spouting this saying we have to get to the bottom of this but we still don't really know the story behind the US Special Envoy to Iran you know being suspended and having security clearance they don't pull security clearances for no reason right so we don't nobody's asking about that on the Democratic side you know they're barely asking about it to be fair on the Republican side um because they're focused elsewhere but I think they're starting to I think they're going to call in Mali and I think they're going to call in the the Pentagon individual taba toay to come in and I think they subpoena them say okay what the [ __ ] going on how could you not be concerned right with everything else that's happening with Iran that you now know that they've been running this disinformation campaign through Cooperative contacts and and and the White House has been putting people into places that were amenable to talking to Iranian regime members telling them what sort of the the agenda could be for a meeting getting talking points to talk through you know all in the desire to have a normal relationship with a regime that sponsors organizations like Hamas right I I it's again it goes back to other things that they do it's it's a confusing thing but I don't expect any curiosity coming from from Schiff and the others on a subject like that it's not you know so which means maybe the Russia collusion story was all
about politics I believe it probably was um I think it might have been but what happens with Trump now is is there any weight to these allegations one one of the things that's so bananas is the overvaluing of Mara Lago yeah because they tried to say it's worth $18 million which is so [ __ ] crazy it's an enormous piece of land some of the richest real estate in all of America and even if there wasn't a Mara Lago there like this insane beautiful Resort right even if that wasn't there the just the real estate's probably worth $50 million absolutely the land yeah the land itself and and so yeah least I think all the uh all the the the the Liberals that that may be living in the area down there were probably like oh God this is going to completely devalue our our property so they they were probably pissed off as well but no this nobody in their right mind actually believes that that that's a legitimate assessment of that property how how can you get away with doing that and trying to enforce that in a in a court of law well it's I think it they they'll lose they'll probably they'll probably win the day in terms of this this trial they're going to they're going to they're going to pound US thing until and then certainly it appears as if the judge is all in right I mean he doesn't seem like he's inclined to uh to throw anything out um so I think but it's not going to win on appeal right and so you know but what they're looking for what they're hoping for is again they see that they see the video at at at the fights and they think good God we got to keep him tied up we got to keep them wrapped up in these trials throughout the the whole campaign period right I think that's their goal you know whether they can make I think it has the opposite effect the problem is it galvanizes his base and it also makes cynical objective people that are on the outside realize what's going on that this is Banana Republic [ __ ] well but I think it it also at the same time it they're hoping it reminds Suburban moms and and the people that he didn't get the second time around because they were tired from the sort of the chaos and all the the tweeting and everything um I think it reminds they're hoping it reminds them of the chaos and all the tweeting and
everything and so they're hoping to keep those people off the field you know when it comes time to vote and but I think you're right there's no of course it definitely galvanizes his base and I think it will you know people who sit and think about this and and Ponder and say objectively you know maybe they don't have a dog in the hunt but then you know You' so you how many of those people do you peel back over to the Republican side I you know who knows I think a lot I really do well I don't I don't there's a lot of closet Republicans out there now a lot of people that have switched over I get tapped on the shoulder uh all the time uh in uh in Los Angeles in particular if I'm there uh people just kind of going and yeah yeah like this but they don't want to talk about it you know they don't want say anything like what you're doing for America yeah good job good job keep it up um and you know so so you're right you know maybe that changes maybe they come out and vote because like you said at the end of the day who's gonna vote for Joe Biden again right what they're they're gonna run him cuz V you know during the Republican debates he came out and said that like there's no way they're going to run him and they need to just step up and tell us who they're going to run whether it's Gavin news or Michelle Obama who is it who are you running because you know you're not running Biden yeah I don't I don't think they will I think they'll there'll be a hard stop at some point we're not we're a year away now I know but their problem is they got to clear the decks of KLA Harris right you know they know that you know if if if their concern is that Biden can't win because he's just you it's a good look everybody gets older right so um not just older but the corruption that's been exposed well there yeah it's the whole package but if you just look at the at the age and say okay look you know if they look at that and go okay we can't run him um because I don't think they'll Factor you know the the Biden family activities into into that calculation they'll just go okay we can't win because people view him as too old um they're certainly not going to then pivot and say okay we you know up
goes kamla Harris she's top of the ticket so they got to figure out a way to delicately or or elegantly clear the decks and then I think I mean God because he's so desperate for it but also because you know who else is is running right now is Gavin Nome and the DNC the White House would have approved his meeting he met with X um you know and and during his trip to China um that sort of thing has to be you know cleared you he's not going to do that and then surprise the White House oh by the way I was there and I got a chance to stop I have coffee with G so that you know there's a planning that goes into that and so that that tells me that's an indication that yeah they're looking to set the table get them some International experience and exposure right that's always important you know are are you presidential well do you have foreign policy experience well you know I sat Toe to Toe with G and you know [ __ ] but it's Gavin Newsome he's [ __ ] up California hey you know [ __ ] up America did you see what he said about this whole cleaning up San Francisco thing that when visitors come over you clean your house yeah like would you just let everybody else [ __ ] in your house all over the carpet when visitors aren't coming over like what are you talking about that's the dumbest excuse for it ever and just the the anger that people must have particularly people that owned stores there that had to close down yeah when you're going you mean you could have cleaned this up the entire time that quickly commcial you're only doing it because of dictators in town commercial estimates are that that over 30% uh of uh space down there in downtown San Francisco is vacant now it's you know it's it's an unsustainable situation but but yeah I I I saw him talk about that and I thought you got you know I agree with you if if if you're I know some folks that live in San Francisco and they are legitimately pissed off right because and they're very Progressive yeah you know but they eventually I guess it's like you know I don't know and I you it's probably not a good analogy but if you're an A friend of mine who was an alcoholic well recovered now is is is a terrific guy but he uh he said you know I didn't even think about recovery until
I hit the absolute bottom right and he said and I didn't even know where the bottom was and then I found it and it was fairly self-evident and I think maybe progressives are the same way in some of the some of these cities until it really hits the shits then I think they uh they're willing to let it go right and then and then it it gets to the point where they think even for them it's it's it's not good so I was looking at an article from earlier this month on Newsweek that may explain why there's a difference in value for Mar Lago yeah but it's news week I know it just explains what happened so he he changed it in 2002 from a private property to a club and in order to do that that's what changed the value so if as a private property as a house that someone would live in it could be worth over 100 million but it's not it's a it's a club and in order to make it a club they have to make a bunch of agreements I found another article from 2017 that explained some of the agreements he agreed to make um and that alone like right when this happened in from 1996 it changed the value of $6 million just from signing this piece of paper yeah still property it's still the property still nuts you're going to get somebody that's the explanation I'm just trying to say somebody' roll in there and say I I don't want Mar laga I'm gonna raise that [ __ ] but I want that land that's I'll pay like I said 50 million yeah that's part signing it made a historical property he bought it 1998 and he has to keep he he agreed to keep it in this like in the status it was including carvings columns doors windows light fixtures walls ceilings and 25 different rooms interesting I imagine that probably would devalue it because you can't do anything with it because it's an historical property however yeah still just the property itself if you could buy if I could buy it for1 million I'd buy it if I found out it was for sale I'll you know what I I'll chip in with you yeah yeah and I I'll live in the carriage house oh you crazy I started as a podcast Studio you know we could do the president's Daily Brief from there yeah we have a bunch of podcasts out of Maro broaden $69 million just between 2017
and 2019 okay so in two years it made $69 million and they're saying it's worth 18 that seems low yeah that's I mean it's not it's not what it's not what Trump's folks are saying it's worth but it's definitely not what the uh the the court or the the prosecutors are saying what Trump saying it's worth over a billion right yeah yeah I mean hey billion dollars here or there the Hamas political leadership could buy it um you know they got the cash or China or ch right if China buys Mara Lago if Biden wins again China buys marago because Trump goes to jail and it has to go for sale oh my God is is there a chance he can go to jail uh God never say never with with uh with this situation but I don't know that's that's way above my pay grade I just think I don't think they even care whether he goes to jail they I just they want the noise to extend as far into the uh campaign as possible that's that's my take on it there's also he has said that he has unequivocal proof of election fraud but where where is it I think if it was again what do I know but if I was a political strategist I'd probably tell him back off of that focus on the [ __ ] that's happening around the world and the economy right and I he how does he get back those people who didn't vote for him he gets them back by seeming normal right so back off all the other [ __ ] and just start because you know the the Biden Administration is giving the Republicans all sorts of things to talk about to campaign on and you know the one thing they know they can I think this is them thinking it I don't I'm not saying he you know they can win but the one thing they think they can do is beat Trump right because he he just he does it to himself right and they can keep pointing to all these problems and they and and they they know it energizes the base just like Trump's base is energized um but I think if Trump just swept all that to the side just he's not going to he's not going to change his stripes but if he could do that just talk about all the [ __ ] that's happening and and and how you improve the border and how you improve the economy and do the things that people actually care about um yeah maybe that's maybe that's a pathway to
get those people back and then the numbers work but I then again if you look at the numbers it looks like he's you know on the poll results for you know the potential uh match of a trump and Biden it looks like he's flipped Pennsylvania right and and uh uh I forget three other three other states that didn't vote for him the last time but now poll numbers are showing that they would turn around and vote for Trump this next go around so maybe they've got the pathway they need I don't know do you put any weight at all into his claims of election fraud do I think there's some election fraud sure and and I think we'll get more of it um the further away we get from in-person voting show up at a [ __ ] voting poll or a poll Center show your ID whether it's your [ __ ] driver's license or your immigration card or whatever you got right that's not tough everybody can get a [ __ ] Costco membership and and just vote we used to be able to count all the votes right in the course of the evening you go okay they won but the problem during the pandemic was the mailing votes the mail and votes they got everybody scared you don't want to go there and and the campaign or the the Democrats want to keep that they're saying well it's it's really good because it promotes it and yes you you want people you want to make it as easy as possible for everybody to get out and vote but it's get out and vote it's not in public yeah it's not it's not create some you know endless Runway of opportunity for you to mail in some ballots or or you know get out there and and and and not bother to have your signature checked whatever it is but I think I think we're going to stick with the you know the the protocols that we're put in place because of the pandemic and do I think there's room for voter fraud there sure I you know I'm not saying it's not the same thing as saying you know was the was the election stolen it's just saying you've created a system that allows it to be easier to commit fraud if you want to and do you think that's the intention of the system um it could be it could be it could be and Never Say Never And and I think that there are a lot of people that legitimately say look you you have to make it as easy as possible for
people to vote to participate yeah I agree with that so open up more voting centers right right use more the and then there's the most cynical take is that the reason why they're letting all these people in through the border and the reason why they're pushing for no voter IDs yeah it's because they want these people to vote yeah they let them in and they know the people that let them in and they'll they'll yeah I mean be loyal to those people yeah although the people that busting up to New York they're pissed off now at the at the administration CU their hotels aren't nice enough um so who knows maybe they'll switch their flip their vote uh like I'm more concerned when it comes to the folks coming across the border I'm more concerned that it's a bunch of folks coming across the border and we don't know who they are right and and that is a real concern and it's a real concern and particularly in an environment like today where you've got a lot of uh chaos in the Middle East and you know that raises the stakes that creates a more of an alert level for law enforcement and Intel Community um it's not tough to have a controlled border and a fair immigration system you just have to have uh folks in Washington that aren't [ __ ] dysfunctional right and are willing to work together and make it happen we could have a secure border and we could have a fair immigration system but yeah for whatever reason we we uh seem incapable of doing that every other country out there protects their borders you know yeah I I just I that one continues to be a puzzle but I will say if you've got a million and a half which is a conservative estimate a million and a half got aways over the past couple of years which is wild which is wild then we have no idea we've got thousands of known Encounters of special interest aliens right thousands of known encounters um and then special interest aliens simply means they're from a country that uh promotes supports or is um uh otherwise um troubled with terrorism and so you think about that think about okay we' we those are the known encounters and you got a million and a half or so Goda aways and we don't know who they
are because they're [ __ ] Goda aways right so how many of those are special interest aliens how many of those are people who are intending to come here to cause trouble we don't know could be a small number could be a big number but because we're seeming capable of taking this seriously um you know we we've got a real security issue it's it's a self-inflicted wound it makes the job of law enforcement in the Intel Community much more difficult right and and anyway but I you know again that's that's barking up a tree there they're looking to impeach my orcus I don't think they will but um that wouldn't solve anything because he's just the messenger he's just delivering the policy that the White House wants right impeaching my orcus okay again it makes people feel good oh look what I did but it it doesn't solve a problem border policy seems so [ __ ] insane it just doesn't I don't understand how anyone would ever support that it just the the possibility that someone could get through that's a terrorist is so high and when you fly in there's all these checks if you fly in yeah like what what is it about an airplane that if you fly in on an airplane they have to check you but if you just walk across they like oh you're good here's 1,200 bucks in a cell phone yeah well never never underestimate the the power of um folks wanting to feel self-righteous right and so the idea that they make look and go we welcome everyone it's like I can't swing a dead cat in my neighborhood without walking that's an interesting saying yeah so we should look up the origin of swinging a dead cat yeah why you swinging dead cat yeah I know it's uh the cat Jesus Christ I thought he was going there uh God I got to take some of this because I just [ __ ] blanked out again what the hell um well it's a lot to juggle yeah it's a lot to it's a lot to juggle uh the Border talking about it people coming across the potential for terrorism potential for terrorism I mean if you've got a million and a half getaways just think of just small terrorist cells yeah yeah that what the kind of damage they could do if they're well funded they don't you and that's that's a good point you don't need it's not an army that's coming across although it's an army
that's coming across but it's you don't need that right you need a a handful of people who are motivated who have a support structure here in the US that we don't have on our radar screen and who are getting funding whether it's from uh you know five different cutout businesses that are ultimately go back to the Iranian regime or Hamas or Hezbollah whatever it is um that's what you have to worry about right because that's that's what you know that's how these things get uh kicked off um and one of the easiest things you can do not it's not easy but one of the things you they should be doing is securing the border and again you can do that and have a fair immigration system I keep combining those two things because one doesn't defeat the other um so it's it and and and the White House should always want to do that because it's a national security issue and their primary objective their number one job is to keep the citizens of the country safe I I again it goes back to other things it's like who in the White House sat around the other day and said you know what we should do you know what would look good is if we gave the Iranians 10 billion dollar I'll bet that would get those poll numbers up right who who makes these decisions so I agree with you makes no sense who are the people that think open borders are a good idea other than people who think everybody's welcome I know what I was going to say I couldn't swing a dead cat around the neighborhood without hitting one of those signs that says all are welcome here you know and then it lists all the people who are welcome there and it's in their front yard and I guarantee you they wouldn't be welcome there pull that bus up that's been dropping people off in Eric Adams City that's in your neighborhood yeah yeah de uh Boise is a it's a great town but it's also you know it's it's a Democrat uh city council um it's a it's a blue spot in a red state right how does that happen is it a university there uh there is a university there but it's not yeah it's it's a good question I don't know yeah it's a good question I don't know how it happens um but it h in part it happens because um liberals progressives uh I think are better at the concept of you know uh we want to control things let's control it
at the at the base right let's control at the bottom let's get the city council let's get let's get the the PTA let's do those things and you know the next thing you know then you know conservative folks Republicans were like what the [ __ ] happened but but I mean again you know they they do their best and Boyce is a great town and the state is is fantastic and I'm supposed to shut up about that not supposed to talk about that I I uh uh what did I do I mentioned I mentioned this I I go there's a great bar in uh in it's a bar and restaurant in Boise called the stage coach and it's I think it's the greatest place and it's been there forever and people are fantastic uh bartenders are great you always know what you're going to get it's a very very old school The Waitresses used to wear these cowgirl outfits they got rid of that but but uh with a fren skirts you know and it was it was just a great place um and uh I mentioned it at some point when I was and people were like you know no stop stop talking about stop talking about Boise how great it is stop talking about Le because you too many people and we're getting a ton of people moving up there I bet getting it's it's it's people are fleeing California yes exactly and then they're bringing their [ __ ] goofy ass politics to Boise yeah cuz they don't they don't draw a line right they say wow this place has really gone to [ __ ] I got to move that's nice that's a nice place whether it's Boise or Montana or wherever and uh and they don't draw a connection between that and how they voted in the previous location right so yeah I mean maybe one day it it gets to be like that but then we'll just move up to the mountains so oh Christ what oh no no everybody just keeps moving away and hiding and the problem just keeps getting bigger yeah no you're right I there is that element um you're right you can't you keep moving but uh well people are worried about that with Texas because so many you know there's all this turn Texas blue which good luck with that yeah you don't think that's going to happen n yeah n especially when it's guys like bet or roog or roor that's your [ __ ] choice that dork well and and I will say it is good in the sense that it doesn't seem like anybody's talking about B anymore or Pete buy budy judge um some of these
some of these cats that were running previously yeah and you thought who are these people and why would you possibly think this is I mean they were running Vanity Fair articles about about beta Ro and you know he's he's the man you think I such a [ __ ] tool right 330 million people and that that's your guy um so yeah maybe maybe they don't have success with Texas but I do think it's it is a problem that I mean you've seen it here in Austin right over the years and uh so I think we're going to get that same issue with with Boise eventually but yeah people just move and they think ah I'll just keep voting the way I voted and then they're act shocked when when things start to go to [ __ ] again and then they move they like a swarm of locust I just compared the progressives to a swarm of locust yeah that's probably not good well I want to hear about that it's uh it's they're certainly infected with a mind virus doesn't allow them to look at reality and and just they're so loyal to their party and when you're connected to an ideology you subscribe to everything in that ideology and you think you're on the good side and there's there's social pressure from the people that are around you in your neighborhood and they all want to think that they're doing the right thing so that you know you're on their side we're all in this together and Trump's Hitler yeah no I I think that's that's where it's uh and that's what the problem we've got how do how do you correct that how do you how do you write the ship how do you get uh and we talked about that before I don't think there's a I don't think there's a way to do it because you know people have retreated to the trenches right and it's like it's like the Ukraine Russia a conflict right I mean they're on both sides nobody's moving right the line it's like World War I nobody's nobody's moving the line um and so here we got the same problem everybody's sitting in their trenches on the right and the left and throwing [ __ ] hand grenades at each other and you think how do we how do we get back to something that's normal and you got this primary system that encourages right this divisiveness the primary system encourages the the hardened edges to get out and vote during the primaries so then what do you do you end up with a
you know a candidate who appeals to them and they're going to try to soften it up a little bit for the general election um but you know it does it's a a a selective process that I don't think does our country any good so for what that's worth wow I Disappeared down that R didn't I you never disappoint but you always freak me out you know but I have to bring you in when I don't know what the [ __ ] is going on because you have a rare ability to sort of distribute this information and make it accessible to people well I think you know um there there's a uh no [ __ ] it no I was about to say there's a positive side here there's a you know to look on the bright side I'm going have to work on that I'm not sure what that is right now yeah that's the real concerning aspect of all this I don't know what the positive side is and I I keep going to I don't know how this ends well that's what scares the [ __ ] out of me with both American politics and global conflict it's like all of it seems like it's moving towards a very bad direction that keeps accelerating well I think yeah the the problem is if we can you know there's got to be a very short timeline on on the IDF on the Israelis degrading Hamas right I mean look they have by some accounts Hamas was made up of about 30,000 Fighters 30,000 um numbers aren't clear in terms of how many militants have been killed the the health Ministry newspaper or site the Gaza Health Ministry it's run by Hamas right so when the when the Gaza Health Ministry says there are 11,000 you know uh fatalities and 40% of them are children that's coming from Hamas right so you have to understand that you have to step back and go okay there's a lot of Civilian casualties but what is the number right I'm not again I'm not taking the word of Hamas for anything but you also have to you have to be you know uh empathetic and you have to look and go this this can't keep going on but they've got a right to exist and defend themselves and yes they need a solution is it going to be a two-state solution like they talked about that all the way back in the late 30s right that was when it was first come up two-state solution it was uh you know before World War II and
they were saying you know this is this is what we need to do it came out of previous to that I mean look Palestine the history of Palestine is is is fascinating right um controlled by what the Ottoman Empire for 400 years and then the Ottoman Empire lost it because they sided with the Nazis during World War II and so that broke up the region and they kind of split it all up and Britain was given the mandate to control it and then they realized what a mess that was becoming uh World War I they create a a what was it called the Bal for declaration right I mean this thing is a and then eventually they got to the late 30s and the the appeal commission decided let's let's do a two-state solution the Arab world unanimously said no right um the Jewish uh population some said okay we could we could consider that and other said no um there's no good answer you know to this and that's that's why I guess I was about to I always try to end on something my wife says I I need to end on something positive I could I couldn't come up with one tell her to come up with one yeah exactly let's give her a call right now let's get her on and we'll say what you got call right side of this God anyway listen I I appreciate it man I always I always love the conversation I do as well I appreciate you coming on and uh one more time the president's Daily Brief uh it's available number one on Spotify I heard look at that is you know what I'm glad you mentioned that it is number one on Spotify news that is actually pretty [ __ ] awesome congratulations on that that's fantastic available wherever you get your podcast it's so great that you beat NPR I know right I just hope that continues man thanks Jo I appreciate you man appreciate you too bye everybody [Music] [Applause] [Music]