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[Music] by night [Music] hello Joe good to see you it's good to be back nice to see you what's it been like uh retiring from being a congresswoman for a wee bit it feels so weird hearing that word retire yeah it's a dirty word I don't know what that means I don't believe in retirement yeah but I believe in quitting yeah I suppose uh or or moving on rather moving on that's where I I never I've never seen Politics as a quote-unquote career some people are like oh how's it like retiring from Congress like I I don't I can't relate right to that I'm just continuing the work but in a different way well the way you did it though is what most people should do like when people are running for office and then they're also in a job yeah like you're not doing a good job at that job there's no way you can be yeah like running for office just campaign financing just raising the money for the campaign has to be crazy the amount of time there's no way that you could be dedicating a hundred percent of your time to your constituents like you should be yeah yeah it has to be it has to be your full-time Mission and uh you know people who come and ask me they're like oh I'm thinking of running for office and that's literally what I tell them I'm like are you ready to quit everything else in your life and have the support of your family and dedicate all your energy towards this mission of service because it will require that if you're serious about it it will require that if you want to do it at your best absolutely yeah and and if you and if you want to be truly sincere when you're knocking on people's doors you're standing in a town hall meeting and you're saying hey essentially give me your trust right that I will fight for you I will speak for you I will represent you every single day how are you going to do that if you're like yeah by the way I got this side gig or that side gig or this you know other loyalty that is something other than you you know the people the voter and um I don't know I think I think more and more people are starting to pick up on that and question that uh in in both people who are running for office and
they're elected like who are you really working for well they certainly should and it's a it's a complicated Union yeah it is it is between money and politics and it's just like it's it's I mean it would be wonderful if we could get money entirely out of politics if the only way that a politician could make money while they're in office is just their salary yeah if we said it that way like I'm sure you're aware of the Nancy Pelosi stuff absolutely it's wild it is and and and look this is I think this is one of the good things about social media is of course the the mainstream corporate media is hardly covering it right at all but because of social media things like that are spreading like wildfire like hey Paul Pelosi is doing these trades within this period of time of Nancy Pelosi voting on this bill or bringing a bill to the floor because we've got to remember Nancy Pelosi as Speaker of the House nothing happens without her knowing about it or giving her stamp of approval so regardless of whether it's happening in the Judiciary Committee or the Commerce Committee or the armed services committee if there's a bill coming to the floor and there's major legislation that's being passed or is being squashed that is happening with her say so and so so just in this these last few days you know they once people started making noise saying hey you as a member of Congress or your spouse or your adult child should not be allowed to conduct insider trading right on issues that Congress is dealing with which which really covers every issue under the Spectrum they can't pretend anymore that they haven't been doing it and yet even as Nancy like okay okay fine we'll draft legislation but Congress is about to take a break as they head into the general elections and once again she's refusing to bring the bill to the floor for a vote saying oh well you know we're not going to bring it to the floor if it doesn't have support put people on the freaking spot make them cast that vote that is the last thing she wants right before they lose that honey pot she doesn't first of all she doesn't want it becoming a big important thing that people are talking about yeah where people start excuse me where people
start looking at it and say oh well how much money have you made yeah like why are you worth 200 million dollars that's crazy you make 200 000 a year you're worth 200 million dollars like what's going on what and you look at like Paul Pelosi's stock like what his uh his record is he's better than Warren Buffett and George Soros who are like Wizards exactly those guys are the best and he's better than them yeah but it 100 insider trading you think about what they put Martha Stewart away in jail for that said nothing yeah that's nothing compared to what she's doing and and she's not the only one obviously there are and this is where you know the the the quote-unquote unit party in Washington has been blocking this kind of legislation from being passed uh because they're they're both benefiting from it we had I think their Republican and Democrat senators in the lead up towards kovid who knew about it right and started making different investments in as we were approaching it even before the rest of the country knew about it so that they could profit financially from it just absolutely disgusting it's crazy it's just it's just crazy that it's legal yeah it's it's it's really egregious and and it's it's shocking how complicit the mainstream media is in ignoring it like do you think that there's some discussion or is it just an understanding that you'll lose access to these people if you highlight this like what is why are they not covering that it's like this this chummy Insider's Club in Washington and you know a common term that's being used now is is called permanent Washington which really fits when you think about it because it kind of encapsulates that whole swampy ecosystem of both those who've been elected into positions those who are long time appointed or powerful bureaucrats and the corporate media they all go out to the same parties the same social functions you know passing information to each other um and so you know if the anchor of a big time news show says Hey guys guess what Nancy Pelosi and her husband are are insider trading then they have to think about oh well am I cut am I burning a bridge am I cutting off access to you know information that she or her
staff might be feeding me that I can break news on and all this stuff so you know it's like you you scratch my back I'll scratch yours and if you start pissing off certain people then you get kicked out of the cool kids club that's that's really what's at what's at uh at the heart of it and so they they play along because this this is this issue has come up before it came up years ago Congress said okay we're going to take action to stop insider trading and make sure that elected leaders aren't benefiting off of Insider information and so they pass the stock Act which did nothing essentially it just said okay if you are going to um you know trade in stocks or buy or sell stocks uh you have to report it you have to be transparent about it most of Congress has failed to do even that so it did nothing to stop it says you just got to tell us and most people are like yeah I'm not going to tell you anyway and there's no Reaper they might get like a 100 fine 200 fine as as they make millions in there in their trade so you know again it's good it's this is this is kind of like one of those things that should give us all a glimmer of hope where if enough people we the people make noise about it um they're forced to pay attention so now what what about when we were talking about like chumminess and like sort of like the hidden rules what about if you do right wing talk shows like if you're a Democrat yeah and you decide to go on Tucker Carlson for instance like what is that like um it ranges from people kind of like giving you a cynical look like whose side are you really on to uh people just outright um ending ending that friendship or that professional relationship because they don't want to have anything to do with you have you experienced that over and over really over and over and it's not just Tucker Carlson there's been this negative stigma for almost as long as I've served in Congress against anyone who actually goes on Fox news period And so you could say like and I do I was like hey more people watch Fox News than any other cable news channel so my audience is speaking to the American people if I
have the opportunity to do that and by the way Fox News more than CNN and MSNBC over the last decade has uh been more fair to me and provided me that opportunity to speak to the American people I'm going to take advantage of it what seems like one of the things that Fox News does well is if they have a Democrat on they don't attack them they allow them to express themselves that's right which is interesting whether the host agrees or disagrees right that's not the point because when a right-wing person seems to be if they're on MSNBC or if they're on CNN it's like they have these weapons ready to go the blades are sharp and they attack and they're trying to discredit that person trying to mock them they will talk over them they will be rude to them they will mock whatever position they have and instead of like trying to offer some sort of a reasonable debate against it it will just they will talk over it yeah and mock it and they'll bring on an extra another expert and that person talks over it yeah it's it's not even limited to those who bring like a so-called right-wing perspective or conservative perspective it's really anyone who brings a voice a viewer perspective that uh is different from whatever the mainstream narrative is at that point whatever the cause of the day uh may be and so as a Democrat serving in Congress I experienced that over and over and over again uh exactly that reaction that you're talking about uh in you know not allowing me at least just to come and present my view they can they can ask me a tough question they can present an opposing view that's great but so many times I've gone on these different shows and uh they they don't they don't even allow that and you know it really just speaks to what what is really a dangerous mentality amongst the Democratic party leadership and kind of this this um uh establishment narrative in in Washington which is uh they don't believe in Freedom they don't believe in freedom of speech or freedom of thought and for anyone who brings an opposing view they they choose to shut you up Silence You smear you try to ruin you or undermine your character and credibility um because you know they don't want the weakness or the insecurity of their own
argument to be exposed and also they immediately judge you of someone who may bring an opposing view regardless of your political party um as as the enemy as a threat as somebody who who is is less than and doesn't deserve a voice which is really really dangerous for our democracy when you really think about it yeah it's very spooky and it's spooky how prevalent that that mindset is and how many Democrats not even just politicians just people that are Democrats how many people share that position that you should silence people that you don't agree with and it's just it's such a foolish perspective and it's it plays out historically over and over and over again in a terrible way and I just don't understand why people don't learn that lesson I think that I think that the Democratic Party leaders people like Hillary Clinton uh people who've been in charge for a very long time um foment this kind of culture of fear and like hey if you go against us like you're dead you're on the [ __ ] list uh you have kind of the the very loud activists and the who don't represent I think even the majority of the democratic party but the aocs of the world um who who are almost like these these uh radical religious zealots and they are ideologues and whatever they choose is the Battle of the day yes if you are against them on that forget it you're done what is that woman's name Rashida Talib yeah I I'm sure you watched this where she was communicating with the the heads of these Banks and uh she was asking them about you should see this see if you can find this where she's talking to these uh the heads of these Banks where they're talking about funding um fossil fuel projects in the future and she's she asked them Point Blank will you fund fossil fuel projects in the future and they said yes and if we didn't that would be devastating to the United States and then she goes on oh we'll play it for you okay because it's Jamie will find it it's so Bonkers because the first thing she goes to is we gave student debt forgiveness and those people have bank accounts and they we're going to urge them to take their money out of your bank account so it's
like we bribe these people by giving them 10 grand right if you really want to help them make it so that you can get out of student debt you really you really want to help them make it show that make it so that a bankruptcy actually absolves you of student debt because it doesn't because it's a corrupt system so like [ __ ] all this you're 10 grand because you're 10 grand is nonsense these people are 150 200 000 in the hole and some of them actually wind up getting their social security docked when they're in their 60s yeah because they still owe money from student loans that didn't help them at all exactly and she uses that she holds it over their head meanwhile she does not understand the incredibly complex variables that are involved in the elimination of fossil fuels or how many fossil fuels are involved in every single thing you do including electric cars the construction of solar panels like everything the transportation of goods and services this idea that you're just going to stop all future projects yeah because you think that that's what your ideological group wants right play it let me see it let me see your face yes that's it this is it so you have all committed to know to transition the emissions from lending and investment activity to line with Pathways to Net Zero in 2050. do you know what the international energy energy agency has said is required to meet our goal Global 2015 thorough targets of limiting Global temperature rise to 2.7 degrees Fahrenheit or 1.5 degrees Celsius starting today what a wizard like zero well I would like to ask all of you and go down the list because again you all have agreed to doing this please answer with a simple yes or no does your bank have a policy against funding new oil and gas products Mr Diamond absolutely not and that would be the road to hell for America yeah yeah oh no no there's more this is just this is like a Fox news clip there's more of her see if you can find the rest of it you can find an actual clip of the conversation said this nonsense with the music over it because the actual clip of the conversation shows like she goes down the line and talks to these guys and they also smile yeah everyone says
no because it's it's not reality he had just hit the brakes and then just that's what happened with covet you see how the economy collapsed right when you make everyone shut their business down that's going to happen times a thousand if you just stop all fossil fuel production didn't we just see this in California where they passed a law what is it requiring uh requiring all electric vehicles or stopping production of of vehicles that use gas yes all cars that are sold in California as of 2035 must be electrical and then the next week they said you can't charge your electric car right because the power Grid's [ __ ] exactly because so ideologically driven and I talk to people from California that are just in in that of fog yeah the The Fog of woke and I'll they're my friends and I'll show them that and they're like what really and I go yeah look you're not supposed to charge your electric car they're like what the [ __ ] yeah I'm like yeah what the [ __ ] but that right like that's that's like the um that's the analogy that is the the example of exactly what we're talking about this whole mentality of of wokism of being ideologues that that not only doesn't make sense but if you don't agree with it you're wrong you're the enemy if you're silent right if you just don't eat a like I got no comment on this well you are now complicit in the problem exactly silence is violence and then and again I have experience with all of like this whole spectrum and then like if you're like okay like like get off my ass fine I agree they're like well prove it prove it you need to stand on the street corner you need to scream out loud you need to do all this and you know know if the women's March when Trump got elected right I didn't go I was out of the country uh I got harassed and haranged why weren't you there wearing the pink [ __ ] hat what is wrong with you must not believe in in women's rights you must and and the irony is here we are sitting now with a lot of these same people who like oh well I don't know how to define a woman and there is no such thing as a woman and right it just but all of these examples point to the hypocrisy the fact that they don't believe in truth and that whatever their cause of the moment
is is whatever they decide is the truth and and the thing that must be measured against uh for you like you're either with us or you're against us and if you're with us you've got to prove your zealousness for for the cause I think I don't know I think so sounds good it fits you know it's there's a chess game and the the ultimate Checkmate is what's a woman yeah I mean when you're coming to with wokeness and any you can identify as a woman you could use the female restroom like okay but what is it yeah what's a woman you know can a man get pregnant yes okay well what is it can a biological male get pregnant and then people panic and they start the the people that identify as a woman uh are capable of being pregnant and people that identify as a male are capable of also being pregnant like what are you saying if you identify as a woman what are you identifying as like that's the documentary The Matt Walsh talking exactly which is [ __ ] amazing and also amazing that no one's reviewing it no one's reviewing it that documentary is fantastic because Matt Walsh allow and you can only get it on the daily wire I think which is unfortunate but I get it you know I get it the daily wire produced it they want people to sign up and they're creating this alternative platform for Content but that documentary is so good because Matt Walsh simply asked questions and he doesn't he does it deadpan yeah and it's amazing watching these people just like twist reality into some weird [ __ ] torsion it's not what are you saying it's what is a woman what does it mean yeah it's so revealing you know you're you're Marching for women's rights but what does that mean so if I decide I'm a woman and I go out you're Marching for me I'm a woman now all right you could just say it yeah like we can't have that that doesn't make sense and it doesn't mean you can't have trans people it doesn't mean that yeah you can most certainly and it doesn't mean you're against yes yeah and you're not denying anyone's existence either they exist however if you want to be pregnant you must be a biological female this is science this is something that we have all studied and looked at and observed and this is [ __ ] Doctrine it's no getting around
it yeah if you want to breed if you want the egg in the womb you want the whole thing to happen the uterus the baby it's a woman yeah just because you have a [ __ ] beard because you're taking testosterone you're still a woman yeah like this is crazy and that and that's what was so powerful about that documentary was both Matt Walsh's demeanor and frankly his respect with whoever he was questioning and the spectrum of people that he spoke to on this yeah from you know psychiatrists psychologists doctors professors and even uh the woman who transitioned hormonally because terrible regret become a man like crying on camera that's this that's the problem in this country when you know everyone wants to talk about representation here's what's not represented at all in the mainstream media people that have had a horrible experience having gender transition surgery and regret it deeply yeah there's a lot of them it's not a small amount it's a lot of people it's it's not a cut and dry thing look if there was a way where we had some sort of genetic engineering where you know some super advanced form of crispr where I could just decide I want to be a woman now and then bam now I have a double X chromosome I have a vagina I'm an actual woman like 100 not surgery and here's the other thing it's like if you're saying that you identify as a woman you're a woman okay why do you have to get an operation then right why do you have to take hormones like why do you have to do all that stuff and that stuff seems to be where all the problem lies because that is purely experimental yeah especially when it comes to children like we're now finding when they're talking about hormone blockers they were saying hormone blockers are reversible and there's no side effects that's not true at all they're finding horrific side effects for kids who take those things right and we don't have a lot of long-term data we just don't yeah it's so dangerous that the bind administration's uh you know Health and Human Services secretary is openly advocating for this parents and schools in the community need to support this quote-unquote gender affirming care and treatment for kids knowing what we know even The Limited knowledge of what we know about the
impacts of these hormone treatments the impacts of these irreversible surgeries both physically as well as mentally as more and more even of these kids who come forward who've gone through this with Incredible regret and talking about the long-standing symptoms and and problems and illnesses they're now having to deal with we have the person who's supposed to be in charge of federal health policy for the country saying no no this is exactly what we should be doing and encouraging parents and kids to go and get this this treatment it is it is an advocating for abuse of children and it's something that that more and more people need to stand up against but the fact that we don't have more people speaking out about this speaks to this culture of fear that we're talking about right and you can't even talk about it because that person is trans which is even crazier so the person who's advocating for children to transition also is trans and I'm sure you saw the Rand Paul interviewer Rand Paul is questioning her and asking questions and it's like talking to an alien yeah it's like he's talking to an alien that has a tape recorder that's going to press play every time the question's over thank you Senator you know transgender care is a nuanced and like goes into this speech and Rand Paul says just let it be said on record that the person is not answering these questions exactly and and the the worst thing that I don't know how well known this is but I saw a brochure that um that the Department of Health and Human Services put out on what is gender affirming care um it basically says that if parents refuse or fail to provide this gender affirming care than child protective services will have the authority to step in and try to intervene for the sake of the child wow wow and so when you look at what of a kid is just going through a period in their life where they decide I'm a girl or I'm a boy right and the parents say hey let's wait until you turn 18 you might grow out of this and the kid's like [ __ ] that I'm calling Child Protective Services and then Homeland Security or whoever the hell it is comes in and physically forces the parents
to do the bidding of the minor child with the threat of taking your child away from you how did anybody allow it to get this far like who are there no adults in the room I mean that's a big expression right it is that was a thing that they everyone said that we were going to love about the Biden Administration right the adults are back in the room yeah really like what is everyone out of their [ __ ] mind like we know children are incredibly malleable we know children are impulsive they they decide like there's kids ready for this my friend his wife is a school teacher and she works at a school that had to install a litter box in the girls room because there is a girl who's a furry who identifies as an animal and her mother badgered the school until they agreed to put a litter box in one of the Stalls so this girl goes into the litter room or to the the girls room and urinates or whatever I don't know if she poops in it that's pretty gross like if you could teach your cat by the way here's the thing if you could teach your cat to use the toilet you would okay yeah like you don't want a box of piss in your house it's the word I've had cats my whole life it's the worst thing about having cats you got to clean that box of piss every day yeah well it's the greatest thing about dogs they go outside like is you you're a [ __ ] the cat's got their humans trained imagine how crazy it is you're a [ __ ] human being and you prefer a litter box you want to piss into a pile of sand rather than use a bathroom that you could flush the toilet wipe yourself like a normal person like you're so crazy with what you think an animal is that not only have you said this but you've conned the school yeah into putting this [ __ ] litter box in a girl's room yeah which is bananas it is it's absolutely insane I'm sure you saw the teacher in Washington state that has the giant rubber boobs oh my God I did and then the school is now giant giant is an understatement but here's the thing about these giant boobs and this is a male teacher yes yes this is a male teacher who had they're not fake boobs they're fake fake boobs this is what I mean like if you knock
your teeth out like if I like if I like go lift weights I hit myself in the face with a kettlebell and knock my teeth out they'll replace my teeth with fake teeth right but if I have these teeth that are my real teeth and I put fake teeth over them those are fake fake teeth right so this person these are not fake boobs like they went and got under operation and had breast augmentation no they put giant rubber boobs they're like watermelons they're real boobs yeah I wish I could find a watermelon that big I love watermelon so I can find a watermelon that big they're so big it's crazy yeah and now the point of that by the way I think it's a troll and I've been reading about this online apparently there's many people that are pointing to the fact that this teacher may very well be scamming people okay what does it say whether or not it was satire yes that was really it shows where the power lies talking about that was the fake boobs teacher Oaks okay interesting so um what I've heard is that this is actually this teacher is actually a conservative man and that's doing this as a goof and also knows he can never get fired like maybe trying to get fired interesting like see what it what does the article say does it say anything uh this article brings up the same stuff that like James Lindsay did where they made those fake uh yeah the grievance articles yeah similar thing he's trees uh there's a law ah um I'm trying to read and think at the same time I can't do that no worries because the teacher could probably yeah so here it is the Peter bergosian Helen pluck Pro pluck Rose and James Lindsay uh seated peer-reviewed journals with absurd critical studies papers which was amazing that they simply made up caused a huge stir but neither academia's perverse incentives nor the often ridiculous stances on critical studies have noticeably changed as a result Academia is still publishing apparently sincerely Auto ethno jet how do you say that word f no Graphics graphic Auto ethnographic studies about pedophilic masturbation what is that click on that link what are they saying what does this study we'll come back to this in a moment I want to know what the [ __ ] they're talking about
so University investigators PhD yeah click on that okay click on that real quick hold on University investigates PhD students paper on masturbating to comics of young boys holy [ __ ] Manchester University launches inquiry into ethical standards after paper details masturbation sessions a leading university has launched an inquiry after it emerged at one of its PhD students has written a research paper about sexual attraction to young boys Carl Anderson spent uh three months recording his thoughts and feelings while masturbating over images of young boys in Japanese comic books in the abstract for the paper Anderson who's interviewing fans of Shota I guess s-h-o-t-a comics for his PhD said he wanted to understand how they experience sexual pleasure while reading Shota oh you wanted to understand I get it normal his four thousand word study which detailed his sexual habits and sexual encounters between boys in the comics was published in the journal qualitative research in April it provoked outrage from academics and MP and others after it was circulated on Twitter this week yeah there's a normalization of all kinds of sexual attraction you know including illegal sexual attraction they're just trying to talk it they're trying to say that people aren't pedophiles they're minor attracted individuals go back sorry go back to that article Jamie if you don't mind just that see that body part it says I have this is the guy right the guy who did this research he says I happen to live alone during this experiment and I had newly become single after long relationship those factors probably contributed to my willingness and eagerness to explore this method sick that's so crazy sick this this is this is exactly um you know when you don't believe in truth and you know you're talking about the furries like you know the the accommodations for this child who identifies as a cat in the school then you have the minor attracted persons There Are No Boundaries anymore right there are no teachers in school and the school itself should said no exactly to the parent no crazy right first of all what are you doing to your kid right
that you let your kid because they identify as an animal use a litter box they're still human right use a goddamn bathroom it's sanitary it's much better like you want your house smell like human pee what if they eat asparagus and then they they pee into a box you don't think that's gross you want to go into the bathroom and smell asparagus pee because your kid is [ __ ] crazy and you're encouraging that right that's nuts right go back to that big boob gentleman slash female hoaxer I want to finish where we're at so try to figure out what what is happening here um okay we're right around there uh and in much of the same way if the moo is attempting to force an absurd anti-discrimination law to Breaking Point the attempt has failed rather than forcing the school to confront the grotesque absurdity of letting a male wear prosthetic boobs to a teaching job it simply promoted a debate on what size and shape the prosthetic should be geez oh my God the school exacerbated uh at the international attention they've garnered has simply approved a new dress code that would force the mood to wear slightly smaller fake boobs but what if you actually have real augmented boobs that are that big because people do go to that go back to that please click on the new dress code [Laughter] what you guys are out here how far are they bending over backwards this is a school not a circus students join protesters outside the Canadian school with trans teacher with oversized prosthetic breasts I don't think it's really a trans teacher I think they're calling this person a trans teacher but I according to Reddit which uh I hold in high regard I think yeah I was trying to do some research on the on Kayla real quick yeah what are they saying I didn't get would you I had to go back to the article first yeah me and Duncan were actually going back and forth about it yesterday trying to figure out how much of a hoax it was and laughing hysterically because if it is a hoax along the lines of the Helen pluck Rose and Peter bagozzi and James Lindsay
studies it's really funny yeah it's really fun because this person has taken it to the UMP 10th degree exactly like these are great for folks just listening these things are the size of a small child yeah like if a small child like if a six-year-old was in the fetal position and they hung from your neck that would literally be the size of one of these breasts yeah exactly and I think that's I think the point remains right whether it's a hoax or not it points to how insane our society and culture has become where rather than the school being like yo no this is right happening yo yo is the perfect thing to say there like yo what are you doing exactly not only that you're you're in wood shop okay which is you're not even supposed to have loose clothes right how do you have giant rubber boots that's so dangerous it is he's using a band sush excuse me like look at that look at the size of those things goodness imagine these poor [ __ ] kids imagine like you can go in there and she's wearing sunglasses indoors too which is awesome right I mean the whole thing is just so crazy yeah Canada is Canada is like California on some sort of SSRI yeah it's like they've taken it to a whole new level yeah okay so right there is uh Kayla Lemieux that's a YouTube video okay there's a bunch of YouTube culture end game look at the size of the nipples that's so crazy the nipples are enormous this person literally has shoulder straps yeah like they've got a week's worth of food in those things they're carrying around on their back that's so nuts yeah clear shoulder straps I mean it's like I said Twitter the Tweet oh sorry Kayla Kayla lemieu is conclusive proof that trans women are women and that there's absolutely no connection between trans activism and mental health issues or misogyny sure conclusive yeah well obviously that's satire obviously yeah but it's slow I would have never imagined if we went four or five years ago I remember when I had um uh Peter burgosian and James Lindsay on the podcast years ago people were saying to me like why are you concentrating on this like this is some stuff that's happening at universities
why is this even a like why are you obsessed with this and I said because this is going to spill over into society like you don't see this it's like if if you if we have barbarians that land in Hawaii and they start attacking maraudi and they get in their boats and they start moving towards America and you go like well hey uh I think this is coming here like why are you concentrating on me exactly this is only happening in Hawaii no no that's they're [ __ ] in the boats now kids they're in the boats and now they've they've hit land and now they're burning through tech industry they're burning through so many corporations because all this craziness is an accepted ideology in universities so you let these children get away from their parents [ __ ] my mom and dad my mom and dad are [ __ ] and they're racist and fascists and this now and then they go to school which their mom and Dad paid for probably or they got crazy student loans they can never get away from and then they infect these corporate operations so you have these people that are in their 50s and 60s that are running these corporations go whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa what the [ __ ] is going on exactly this is crazy you guys you want a litter box in the bathroom what that's happening in in tech companies too yeah you talked to I've talked to a number of different CEOs who've very clearly expressed that their biggest headache in life is with their HR departments yeah because they're attractive like what in the world are we doing here that's what you know you started this by saying like how did we get here yeah what you just outlined is exactly how we got here so much of this has been happening already you know for for decades in some of these incredibly uh I don't even know what you call them in in a lot of the universities and then you start seeing it okay well here's the boundary today okay cool got that we're gonna shift it we're gonna shift the the you know the goal post okay cool got that we're gonna shift the goal post we're gonna shift the goal post it never ends it doesn't it never ends and and that's where the the the the thing that I you know people warned against in the past but it's hard to imagine that it would be possible certainly within our lifetimes the
normalization of pedophilia yes what you said the minor attracted persons and don't stigmatize that you know we're all people we should all be allowed to celebrate ourselves and all this other crap we're talking about kids yeah and how a lot of these same people who are saying hey if you refuse to use pronouns you're fired a friend of mine in a huge New York law firm corporate policy is you have to put your pronouns in your email signature block or you will have to talk to the HR department and he's like one of the partners at this Law Firm he's like this is [ __ ] now why do they make that distinction why what what kind of pressure force them into having something as crazy as like you have to have your pronouns I I don't know it it's I I think that um it's driven by fear but it like well the percentage of the people are having a problem identifying someone yeah without pronouns yeah like how many people I would imagine it's a very small number it's a very small number it just the number of people that identify as trans is higher than it's ever been before which is really weird that that's not consistent and you could say well it's because they feel comfortable doing that because it's accepted part of society like maybe but according to Abigail schreier who wrote that book uh irreversible damage right with young girls it's up an extraordinary amount like a Preposterous amount where they have these clusters of girls who identify as Trans in school where you get like eight nine kids yeah that just all in a friend group identify as trans and she's like there's a very distinct possibility this is a social contagion yeah and that this is that there are and without the denying that some people are trans because there are but it's like how do you know now because this is one of those incredibly bizarre human issues where it's open to interpretation like this guy or woman whatever with the giant rubber boobs can just say that they are a woman and everyone has to back off right because of that because of a lack of an ability to prove something now you're in this area where it's open to how someone feels exactly and that you could just decide well that's how you
get male prisoners who go into female prisons and impregnate inmates exactly which is so crazy that's how you get male athletes who want to compete in women's sports and when the women complain they get kicked off the team exactly and forced out of the locker room which we're seeing which is nuts because it's just how you feel yep I um I talked with Carla Esparza recently and uh about this issue specifically and I just I gave her great credit because she has been and continues to be very outspoken about how dangerous it is especially in mixed martial arts to have biological males competing against biological females and you know she she grew up uh competing on the boys wrestling team in high school because there was no girls team and at that age even she was just like yeah I experienced the unfairness of it because obviously these boys are built very differently and she's like I'm stronger than the average girl my size but still I couldn't compete at a Level Playing Field and then you take that forward to mix martial arts I know you've talked about this a lot about how actually dangerous it is but the fact that it takes a whole lot of Courage for a UFC champion uh female UFC champion to speak out and say hey no biological male should not be competing against biological females that's an act of Courage yeah in this Society rather than just like yeah of course she's stating fact it's truth but this is the problem is when you when you have this you know it's it's the Democratic party leadership it's the and the uh you know Progressive left that is so ideologically zealous about this cause because it's the cause today tomorrow it'll be something else they create this culture of fear that there will be consequences uh towards those who who differ and also that they they just don't believe in truth and so whatever they say is true today is true today whatever they see say is true tomorrow is true tomorrow but the danger of that is you take away all the boundaries of you know what is true and what is false you know you take away the boundaries of of the things that science actually does prove and what are we left with them we have no foundation and then we end up where we're at like okay well today we're we're gonna promote pedophiles
that's what we're going to promote today you know we're gonna we're gonna push books in Public Schools kindergarten first grade third grade fifth grade that are causing your child to say well I don't know if I'm a boy or I don't know if I'm a girl I saw some of these books that that um uh some of the parents in Virginia and other states are protesting at their Boards of Education trying to get these books removed from their their kids schools these books like I thought okay how bad can it be I I saw them and they are some of the most graphic images I have ever seen in my life yeah including oral sex including oral sex and and this is this is targeted towards 12 year olds 13 year olds so strange that we've gone this far like into Cuckoo Land and that has happened so it seems like it's happened so quickly but that's where if we actually stop and think about it it has been very intentional and the groundwork has been laid uh over time do you think it's intentional like planned out or do you think that there is an ideology that gets accepted and then that ideology it's like a forest fire it feeds off new fuel so it has to expand its boundaries I think I think it's probably a combination of both so if if it is intentional whose intention is it to spread this people who I mean it's the it's the very same people who are doing it now I think over time trying to see how far they can push uh you know I mean the sexualization of our kids and our society um you know I I don't know exactly who the person is or the group is or whatever but we can't have gotten to this place by by accident why not because it's hap it's happened so methodically and so quickly over over time but if it's a mind virus which what I think it is and I think that these these ideological perspectives that are not grounded in reality get accepted by people and then they promote it these people are promoting it without any uh conversation with some cabal of evil leaders it's clear there's a mechanism in play yeah and that mechanism is very easy to follow you could see where it starts in universities you could also
you can also see that in these universities these people that are promoting these things and teaching children also grew up in the University system themselves and most of them don't have any real world experience they have experience going from being in a university to teaching in a university and then promoting these ideologies that are Preposterous to the rest of the world as if they're smarter than the rest of the world and then that keeps spreading it needs more fuel yeah so it keeps moving further and further to the left and further and further into Crazy Land but I don't think I think just by observing that just by observing the fact that these people that are promoting these things they're not being paid to do it they're not they're stuck in this this mind virus yeah and this woke mind virus this ideological mind virus yeah is trackable you can see it and you could see how it infects people I've seen it infect people you know I I had this guy on the podcast his name's Adam Conover and he has a show Adam questions everything or Adam ruins everything I don't know if you've ever seen it we got into the subject of trans people in sports and you know and his position was the most far left far woke I just think it would be great to be inclusive and this and that I go why why do women have a specific category why can't men compete against women right and then that's that's like that's where the record skips right because obviously there's there's differences right so what are the differences between a trans woman and a biological woman right they're pretty [ __ ] significant huge they're huge and if you you want to actually study science it's it I mean if you had the science of that it's trackable right you could see it right like but in when it comes to the Mind virus people don't ever want to accept that reality they want to go inclusivity yeah they say the words yeah they just say these words you're supposed to say or you get attacked exactly and they're terrified of being attacked exactly and and these these are people who as you said they're they're not connected to reality don't have any um kind of personal experience I think I think I was shocked when I saw Megan
Rapinoe basically say I don't know what her statement was but basically it was like yeah you know there's no real difference like okay well you already won your Olympic gold exactly uh got it so are you saying that you you could have gone and won that gold uh competing against men well on soccer field you know I have a friend who's a gay guy who's a power lifter and he he was upset that people were upset that trans women want to compete as women and I was like dude out of all the [ __ ] yeah people you're a giant ass power lifter dude out of all the giant people that are all the people rather that know there's a difference between biological males and females it should be you but in that lbgt whatever the other extra words are there's a lot more now there's like a plus in there what's the plus um it's like I think it's like the equivalent of Etc like who like everything is like lgbtqia and I don't ask me what they all stand for because I don't I don't really know and then it's the Plus at the end what could the I be is it intersex yeah is it what's what's the a H okay well you don't even know a [ __ ] dog I'm guessing I'm actually guessing I don't know it could be something else stay the [ __ ] out of it how is asexual lumped in there with gay men that's a very good gay men are the most non-asexual people alive right all they're doing is having sex like the fact that these are like hey I'm not even in this conversation man leave me out of it is it asexual gay men get lumped in with lesbians like you lesbians and gay men don't necessarily get along that well because of that reason gay men are pretty [ __ ] sexual yeah and then you get down to asexual and then it's in the same group and third I mean like and you know gay and lesbian friends of mine don't get on with the whole like trans activism part either I mean there's no this is not one you know what do you call it like monolithic group well they have to publicly support that because of that whole group this this whole lumping in of everyone together that's why a lot of gay and lesbians support that but if a lot of them if you talk to them you
know specifically in in my conversations with lesbian women that lesbians have a real hard time with trans women entering into what is in their mind feminist spaces sure and then running things yeah and running things like a man and running things with threats and with aggression and and insults and treating people the way biological men right tend to treat people when they're behaving at their worst right and you know that's a that's a real giant issue because if you are a woman and you're a feminist you're supposed to be ideologically left you know maybe even like far left in in some of their eyes and now all of a sudden you get lumped in with something you completely disagree with yeah it's um before I left Congress I introduced a bill called the protect women's sports act what is a woman uh exactly um I am a woman whoa just to make that clear congratulations um I could be one too yeah don't get cocky yeah I don't know I'm going to put myself out there and disagree wholeheartedly with that Joe Rogan um we introduced this legislation I introduced it with a republican friend of mine named Mark Wayne Mullen from Oklahoma and uh he's got uh six kids three of them are little girls all of his kids wrestle and the bill was very very simple in upholding the original intent of Title IX in uh she's playing Title IX Title IX was passed gosh I think in the 70s if I'm not mistaken um and it was a huge Landmark piece of legislation because it delineated it provided a Level Playing Field on the basis of sex meaning males have opportunities females deserve those same opportunities whether it be in sports or in college uh in um and in all public funded in a Public Funding realm essentially the where the Federal Government Can impact it it said there has to be a Level Playing Field and equal opportunity so people like my mom who grew up she's very athletic the only thing that was available to her in high school was was Cheerleading and she
did it she was great but she would have liked the opportunity to be able to compete in other sports Carlos bars I think is is a more uh you know modern day example there were no girls uh wrestling teams in her high school she got a scholarship to wrestle in college on a girls team and obviously she has gone on to do amazing things um so Title IX was created recognizing that difference on the basis of sex um Democrats have championed Title IX and talked about this great accomplishment and passing this legislation for decades and that's where it makes no sense so our our legislation basically just said hey we want to uphold the original intent of Title IX in recognizing the biological differences between males and females period they should not be competing against each other the legislation didn't move forward for obvious reasons we were excoriated for having the audacity to uphold the original intent of Title IX and now what we're seeing with the bite Administration is administratively not even through passing legislation they're trying to back door this move to change the rules around Title IX to include gender identity rather than having it be on the basis of biological sex to include gender identity and threatening schools that they will withhold Federal funding unless they adopt this rule change within the Biden Administration again not running through Congress not allowing the people's voices to be heard but trying to back door this through you know and and making threats to publicly funded educational institutions as a means of of uh trying to implement this now why do you think they're doing that and is that publicly supported because the only thing that makes sense is politically they would do that because that would help them in terms of an election why else would they do that there are polls that have been done that show not only a majority of Americans disagree with this but also a majority of Democrats disagree with this and so why they're doing it they're they're catering to um those ideological zealots within the
Democratic party and trying to placate them in their uh radical policies and their extremes rather than actually standing up and saying you know what no this is science this is biology and this is what's right and oh by the way it's also it would also be politically uh beneficial given where the vast majority of Democrats and Americans are on this but it's just wild that no one's pushing back yeah it's it's really wild especially no one in the Democratic party they seem like they're captive by the furthest left yeah it's true and that doesn't any sense to me because if the majority of Democrats and I agree with that the majority of people that I know that are on the left don't think it's fair why why are they doing it then because that seems like that would be an unpopular position not just an unpopular position but horribly unpopular for people that have daughters that compete in sports exactly like if you're a daughter and you're competing in that Connecticut track and field team where those two biological males are breaking World Records like that's crazy it is like at what point in time do you not understand you're denying a child of a fair future you're denying them a potential scholarship where they could go to a university and pursue an education yeah like you're [ __ ] them up because of this thing that doesn't even affect you it's not you're just doing it for this cult-like ideological perspective exactly and that's that's the danger of it is the people in charge of the democratic party whether they actually hold positions or they just are influential in a Democratic Party have created this cult-like atmosphere and fomented this fear so much so that people who are really in a position to impact this to stand up against and say hold on guys this is literally insane and needs to needs to stop they're too afraid to do so because of what the ramifications will be the Democratic Party of the past the Democratic party that I joined doesn't exist anymore the party that was um you know the party of JFK of Dr Martin Luther King the party of inclusivity the big tent party that welcomed and encouraged this Marketplace of ideas and conversations and people who held different views the party of uh you know the championed women and
equality and the rights of people in our society that party just it doesn't exist anymore and instead we have a party that's being led by by people who have gone insane with this ideological fanaticism and there are a lot of different issues a lot of different examples you know the whole issue of of uh biology and uh the trans issue is just one of them there are so many different others you know parents don't have a you don't have a right to raise your kids now you don't have a right to say what they're being taught in schools now the state the government the the teachers unions only they have that right and responsibility they're undermining families they don't believe in the rule of laws yeah defund the police the Supreme Court we don't agree with them so they're illegitimate there's so many different examples of this this um I the these ideologues who have taken control of the democratic party who don't actually care about the people it's all about themselves their power and their maintaining control and that's the real threat to our democracy that they pose is they don't believe in freedom of speech they don't believe in Freedom of thought they don't believe in freedom of religion all they believe in is you've got to buy into whatever they're selling at any given day and and like I said not only it's not enough to agree you've got to go out there you've got to march in the parade you've got to carry the sign you've got to scream and yell and don't you dare even think about talking to Republicans don't don't even think about working with Republicans because that that directly undermines their their Authority and and frankly Joe this is something that I've I've been um I've been trying to fight against within the Democratic party back when I was vice chair of the DNC uh for years and it's it's gotten to a point where um those who have been in charge for a long time remain in charge uh are not willing to change and uh and so I'm I'm I'm leaving the Democratic party is that this big announcement yeah you're leaving the demo I'm leaving the Democratic party because I've tried to enact that change from within
it's not I I I don't see the Democratic party as being savable and I know that I can make an impact uh more from the outside and frankly I just I can't be associated in standby uh this this Insanity that's been going on and continues to worsen day by day are you going to be an independent yep so that's how you're moving forward yep what what is it about this country that is so politically married to having two teams and two teams only and how do we fix that because there is there there is very little room for someone who's a third party candidate to be taken seriously in this country and when you do vote for a Libertarian you do vote for an independent many people think of it as a protest vote spoiler right yeah or at the very least you say you know that that's why I voted for Joe Jorgensen that that is me personally why I did because I was like this I'm not voting for him and I'm not voting for her [ __ ] this and then I'm not voting or that was with this one was Biden actually but that was also why I was voting for Gary Johnson it was like I'm not voting for her and I'm not voting for him I'll vote for that guy even if it doesn't know where Aleppo is like that's right I forgot about that but I don't live that's that wasn't that big of a deal to me that to me was it seems like I mean it was a big deal at the time but it seems like so minor now compared to you know our vice president standing at the DMZ saying we are great allies with North Korea what a [ __ ] up that was and that didn't even make the news people barely talked about it exactly our great partnership with North Korea like what yeah North Korea yeah you're not she didn't even stand there and be like I'm sorry I misspoke right no well sometimes people like you don't realize I do that all the time like Jamie will correct me all the time well I'll say something that I thought I thought I said another thing right he's like you said that like oh did I oh I didn't mean that I meant the other thing right because you just it's just a flub yeah I haven't I I guess I guess the problem is it comes in a long line of clubs and um she is absolutely terrible and that is for you that is where like everything's sort of soured with you and
the Democratic party was when during the debates where you accurately pointed out her record yeah and you you you basically sank any hope that she had of being president because you opened up this discussion that many people are not aware of about a prosecution record and the things that she's done that are absolutely illegal like forcing people to work as laborers cheap labor for the state to fight wildfires after they're supposed to be released exactly they did their time they did their time and she kept them in prison to use them essentially as slave labor for the state putting their own lives at risk forcibly the the thing about um my exchange with her on that debate stage um and you take a step back you got a question like all of those things I brought up on her record you easily googleable on the first page when you look at Kamala Harris's record all of those things I'd have to dig very deep to see what those issues and problems were with her record so then the question is hey why didn't why didn't anybody in the media ask her these questions about the record that she said I'm so proud of my record as this and as that as that all right cool talk about this this is your record talk about these things no one in the media did that there's no other candidate on the debate stage who had the balls to bring that up how how are voters supposed to be able to make their best informed decision when the media and fellow Democratic candidates who are running who are her opponents in that race don't have the courage to ask a very factual question on a record that she says she's proud of do you think that there's a concerted effort to hide that information or do you think that people recognize that that that that's that's a trap like if if I do that then it's gonna [ __ ] up my future they're gonna not want me to participate in certain things which most certainly happened to you yes that most certainly happens and and that shows the double standard I you know I don't know why no one had the courage to ask her those questions why I was the first person to do it uh if I had to guess I would imagine it's because she's got friends in high places I would guess it's
because she's a she's a woman of color and no one wants to be seen as the person attacking a woman of color who who's running for president they got no issues attacking me on a whole host of fronts but because again she she was connected she's playing the game she's somebody that the Democratic party knows that they can control and that was the thing for me is and and it started years before I ran for president is once the Democratic I I went to got elected to congress and they were like oh she's the first this she's the first that she's cool she's going to be one of us we'll put her forward and you know she'll be a great new face of the democratic party all these things but then very quickly they realized like I mean I've always been an independent Democrat every race that I've ever run whether it's with City Council in Honolulu or for the state legislature for congress I was never like the party pick ever I never won any of those races with the the Democratic party saying all right hey we're going to back you up we're going to send you money we're going to send the troops out to support you none of that it has always been uh truly Grassroots campaign of the people which is amazing they found out very quickly like okay she's not somebody that you know the Puppet Masters can control she's not just going to read the talking points when she goes on TV or stands on the house floor and and that's where things started to take a turn um where those who are in those positions of power said Okay She's somebody who could expose our weaknesses exposed uh our insecurities expose the hypocrisies and our arguments and uh and started to create that distance and then resorted to the smear and the discrediting and the attacks and then ultimately like total media blackouts it's amazing when I talk to people and it happened recently with Alex parents and he was like isn't she crazy I'm like what's crazy how's she crazy tell me how she's crazy and then no examples like well why are you saying that like why does someone say he's like yeah you actually you're right like I don't have a an example I'm like isn't that weird that you just like
have you're and he's a journalist I mean worked for the New York Times and it just isn't she crazy yep yep accepting that and that's how they do it wild that's how they do it is is like hey let's just plant a seed of Doubt or suspicion so that most people I mean as a journalist he's got no excuse but most people don't have um just I'm honestly they don't have the time they hear one thing they're like shoot like I got kids I got work we got soccer games we got this we got that and you want me to do Reese like wait what right and you want me to do research from multiple different platforms exactly so that I get uh an unbiased perspective yeah or at least an objective perspective based on multiple sources of of information it's like it's such a bizarre system that we have and it's so easy to to rig because there's only two parties and both parties are controlled by these gigantic special interest groups gigantic special interest groups uh corporate for-profit media big Tech and then the powers in both parties uh and that's where I'm glad you use the word rigged because it's an important word and usually when you use it people aren't thinking of it in the way that we're talking about it's what I experienced during that campaign is that collusion between those very very powerful entities to decide before voters even get a chance to be exposed to different candidates to choose from they decide all right here are the candidate here's the people that we're gonna you know we think will be all right we think they're gonna play the game and we'll promote them we'll say nice things about them maybe throw in a tough question here there just to not blow our cover but these are the people that we want voters to choose from and these other people are the ones that we're going to try to either just slide into the darkness and hope nobody notices them or if people are noticing them we're going to do everything that we can to smear them and and uh and undermine their credibility so that when they do speak you get that kind of reaction from Berenson did you notice an immediate change in the way people communicated with you before that debate versus after that debate um that was that was one of one of the
factors that was one of the factors that the interesting thing to me was that I heard from some friends who were sitting kind of in the green rooms and backstage for some of the major cable networks at that moment live when it happened on the debate stage there was a whole bunch of people cheering and like holy crap that just happened yeah but probably within within an hour maybe 30 minutes of the debate being finished and going into the media room where they you know the you've got the post debate all the interviews and all those things happening immediately it was like okay no we've gotta we've gotta change the narrative because we can't allow that to stick is there any uh courting of You by the Republican Party um not that I know of you have no interest not no I mean look the the Republican party I mean what is the Republican party today you know I've got Republican friends who um don't like to be associated with each other because they're in different factions of the Republican Party um I think that you know when you look at the two I think there's potential there for that party that's the Republican party is kind of turned more towards populism and actually fighting for working people uh it it's uh you look at a recent vote that was taken um you know on the issue of foreign policy in War and Peace um the the Republican Party had like I think it was 50 members of Congress voted against that massive multi-billion dollar um funding package for Ukraine and have been saying hey we shouldn't be waging this proxy war against Russia or at least we need to have a debate or accountability zero Democrats voted against that so you look at you know the Democratic party that used to have people who you know protested the Vietnam War and and others now I mean the Democratic party leadership is is very strongly within the grips of the military-industrial complex and advocating for more war and you have more Republicans and I think even Trump this was this was Trump's instinct when he ran for president when he was president was like hey we shouldn't be we shouldn't be going and being the
policeman of the world we shouldn't be going around the world and starting all these wars um I think the problem with him was he surrounded himself with people who uh held a diametrically opposed view um you know Mike Pompeo uh Nikki Haley John Bolton people who never saw a war they didn't like um and advocated for uh so I there's there's movement there's movement happening within um the Democratic party leadership is going crazy I think the Republican party is I don't know they're I think they're trying to figure out what what they're doing yeah I mean I think if they had someone like Ron DeSantis who seems to be like the most reasonable amongst the the potential candidates he seems to be you know a pretty no-nonsense guy not without his flaws but it he's more reasonable than anything that I'm seeing on the left yeah at least with his the way he handled covid yeah you know it's just it's one of those things where as it's all playing out there's this sense of hopelessness because there's not a like a clearly defined path where this country's ship gets righted it's like I I just see a lot of chaos and and a lot of confusion and a lot of infighting and I don't know how this plays out it doesn't it doesn't seem like there's a real clear oh this is our path to sanity uh you're right and I think the first step towards that path though is people recognizing what the insanity is and um and and the problems um and I think that more and more of these things these things are coming to light um I can tell you I mean I know there are a lot of Democrats that feel the same kind of frustration that I feel with the Democratic party leadership quietly yes yeah there's a lot of quiet disagreement where people are just like I'm not voting for Trump but right what the [ __ ] are we doing right and and I think there's there's uh there's that in the in the Republican party as well yeah and so I think that that creates opportunity for us as a country to to get out of just this um this two-party system mindset and this mindset of fear that drives so many of the elections
where instead of saying like hey I'm running for president because this is how this is how I'm offering to lead the country this is how I'm offering to serve the country here are the things that I'll do instead of that we are we are kind of relegated to um a vote for me or vote for my party because the other guy is the devil right and not and and really treating voters like like we're idiots and we don't care or have the intelligence to actually look at okay here's where you stand on this issue here's where this other person stands on this issue I'm going to make my decision not based on party but actually based on hey who best reflects my values who who is actually going to put the country first the interests of the American people and and the country first and not just the people who say the words but the people who actually um you know have the have the record in the policies um to back that up and and so I I I hope that this is this is the direction that we're moving in as more and more people get disillusioned um with leaders in both parties who care more about their own political Ambitions and their own party's power than they actually do care about the American people it seems like part of the problem is that that attack style of politics works like just think about someone saying oh she's crazy like okay how's she crazy but that's a narrative and it gets out there because they attacked you it's like that stuff works that's what's unfortunate is that instead of to make it like if if there was an incentive to say these are our plans and this is how we can implement this and just ignore negativity on the other side yeah this is what I want to do and I think that we are the best hope for the American people moving forward yeah I you know when I was running for president uh at Town Halls that we held across the country it didn't really matter where we were whether it was a small town or a big City Middle America East Coast West Coast um one of the things that um one of the the media embedded reporters that would you know kind of follow us
around everywhere we went said made an observation that I thought was pretty awesome uh this reporter said gosh you know I go to all these different campaign and candidate events um yours is the only one where people walk out feeling hopeful and feeling inspired and we had Democrats Republicans and independents and Libertarians at every single one of those and it was because we talked about different issues we talked about uh you know the the threat of of nuclear war we talked about this new Cold War the dangers of continuing down this path we talked about things that they education we talked about how we actually talked about these things most days I there I never brought up Trump because why I'm running and I'm asking you hey let me have the opportunity to serve you and here's here's what we will do whereas with these other candidates these other Democrat candidates who are running people left angry people left angry and that was their only goal was like hey how many lines against Trump can we use that we know are gonna piss people off and motivate them through anger and fear rather than through hope and inspiration for what we can do together as a country um that that's the direction that we need that we need to go and there there are a lot of things that that um are issues that are of concern um and treating people with respect and like they have intelligence uh and actually tackling those issues um breaking through and being able to deliver that message to the American people I think is is the challenge I think people want it but the media the media does a really great job of kind of reducing reducing things to their um their lowest kind of standard do you think that the biggest challenge or one of the let me I should just rephrase that one of the biggest challenges I believe is the influence of money and when you look at one of Dave Smith was on the podcast recently and we went over the defense budget and I had no idea it was that much it's it's such an insane amount of money how
can decisions be made that are not influenced by that money when you're talking about whatever the what was it 1.7 trillion dollars that is a preposterously huge amount of money per year that was the 2022 budget apparently what can be done to remove money from the equation of doing the right thing doing the safe thing doing the the the the the thing that's going to secure the future of America and put put us in a good direction it seems like money is so inexorably tied to all the political decisions that get made in this country particularly when it has to do with foreign policy yeah when you're talking about and you have been a very outspoken critic of inter interventionalist uh foreign policy and wars that are unnecessary and that put lives in danger and costs incredible amounts of money but enrich the coffers of all these corporations and that undermine our own interests and security interests yes and this is exactly what Eisenhower warned of when he was leaving office exactly the military industrial complex I mean that is such a nefarious term and to most people it's sort of abstract like you hear that term the military-industrial complex like if you go to the average person that's treated even a well-educated person like Define that what does that mean like where what how do they affect policy and change and what's the defense budget like how much money are we talking about so with things like funding the Ukraine war with Russia please explain to people what that means and why why we're sending so much money over to Ukraine um so so let's start with with that let's start with the military industrial complex what is it who is it it is these massive defense corporations who make uh all these different weapon systems from the smallest to the most powerful nuclear weapons and missiles uh when we are at War they make a lot of money when politicians even if we're not at War but are threatening that we may go to war they make a lot of money and these decisions are not made within the context of hey what is our military actually need what do we need to ensure that our military is ready to defend our
country and our national security interests it is uh very often what members of Congress are advocating for even more than the military is asking for sometimes because of those relation those cozy relationships with the military-industrial complex with these massive defense contractors and their lobbyists so there's a direct there's a direct correlation as the money is changing hands there um the the problem is not with the Democratic party the Republican party on this issue and you see this so much divisiveness on tons of other issues facing our country everything from infrastructure to education all these other things you see like oh my gosh Democrats and Republicans can't agree on anything this issue of putting our country in a continual state of war is supported by leaders in both parties and the majority of people in both parties and it's directly tied to the military-industrial complex's influence and tied to people who you know want to act and look tough but aren't asking the most important questions like okay if we do this will this help the American people or hurt the American people if we vote to you know send these billions of dollars to Ukraine is that strengthening our national security or undermining it you'll hear a lot of rhetoric especially recently saying hey if we we've got to send all this money to Ukraine otherwise Russia is going to come and attack us here otherwise our National Security will be undermined so they say all these things to foment fear in people's minds but they're not rooted in reality so what we're seeing play out now is essentially a proxy war U.S is engaging in a proxy war with Russia using Ukraine as their military so the U.S and some European countries predominantly the us though are providing billions of dollars in funding weapon systems and so forth and essentially waging this war using the Ukrainian military and people as their chess pieces in this geopolitical um chess game the ultimate objective being regime change with Russia and you can see years before obviously Russia's invasion in Ukraine this this anti-russia sentiment has been building up by the the permanent
Washington establishment and laying the groundwork and this was the opportunity that they saw um it's put us in the most dangerous position we the American people and the world has ever been in in that we a nuclear war could break out in a week in 30 days we we are staring over the precipice of that nuclear Brink now more than ever before we're hearing language coming from Putin from Medvedev from different Uh Russian nationalist leaders saying no Putin you should go and use those nuclear weapons whether they're the Tactical nukes or the Strategic nukes doesn't matter there is no way to win this that would Spark a nuclear War it would spark World War III and the result of that is destruction of the world it is destruction of the world as we know it and you know I I hate to to paint such a bleak picture but this is people need to know that this is the reality that we're facing that our leaders have pushed us and led us to this brink of nuclear war they have their own bunkers and and ways to protect themselves there is no shelter for the American people I I think it was last time I was here I talked to you about the you know the the nuclear scare that we had in Hawaii and how you know this message went out to everybody saying hey uh missile incoming you know seek shelter immediately this is not a drill what everybody found out immediately is there is no shelter there is no shelter there's no place to go there's no place where uh you can take your loved ones and your kids to be protected not only from the blast but the Fallout and the lack of food and water and everything else that that comes after um uh New York uh New York City recently put out a PSA I don't know if you saw it but it it is literally a video ad that they put out saying hey here's what you do in the event of a nuclear explosion why are they putting this out now because of where we are as a country the problem is as it shows in this video their advice to the people of New York City is get inside stay inside and stay tuned that's it stay tuned to what the radio I guess I mean what is even going to be available that's my point that is exactly my point there will be no power there will be no infrastructure
there will be no you know you see what's happening in Florida right now with the recovery efforts after uh this hurricane just swept through and demolished it you think about that multiply that by like I don't know 50 000 times the devastation is what we would see but we wouldn't have FEMA we wouldn't have these First Responders who are able to actually go out and help people and the worst thing man the worst thing I said when I watched that PSA get inside stay inside stay tuned at the end I'm assuming as an actor they hired to do this she looks in the camera and she's like you got this New York like what in the world these these people are creating this false sense of security for the American people saying like oh yeah take shelter but there is no show we should watch that because it's so crazy it is insane we should let's watch that because it's it's don't ask me how or why just know that the big one has hit okay so what do we do there are three important steps that I want you to remember one get inside fast you your friends your family get inside and no staying in the car is not an option you need to get into a building and move away from the windows look at her Smiles I know step two stay inside shut all doors and windows have a basement head there if you don't have one get as far into the middle of the building as possible if you were outside after the blast get clean immediately remove and bag all outer clothing to keep radioactive dust or Ash away from your body step three stay tuned follow media for more information don't forget to sign up for notify NYC for official alerts and updates and don't go outside until officials say it's safe all right you've got this she's gonna tell you like who's the officials people that they elected who who who's gonna tell you it's okay to go outside during a nuclear blast in the United States something that's never happened ever and that we're completely woefully unprepared for exactly you got this you got this she's so pretty though yeah she's got a nice smile she's got a great smile that's probably hired her it's that is a crazy thing to put out there first of all because like what is
it what's the purpose of that is that to reassure people like what is the purpose of that yeah it's not to inform people because none of what she said makes any sense no oh get in the middle of the room right that's okay right the outside's not good just stay away the middle window the middle is not going to be because the radiation is not just stays put yeah it's kind of like a fog machine yeah you know it just doesn't doesn't get inside like what I um I was in I think it was after my second deployment uh when I came back to the Middle East I went on a trip and did some travel through Easter in Europe and went and actually visited Chernobyl and it was astonishing to me even decades after that happened because I was curious I'd heard about it and it's like okay um went on this little bus and went out there they gave us these radiation monitors these handheld radiation monitors so that wherever we were you know you could kind of test and see where the radiation still existed they're like oh you're gonna see apple trees and things like that don't eat any of the fruit because it's contaminated it is still contaminated decades later walking through the middle of the town I know everyone's seen the pictures and obviously now with that Chernobyl series I think that Netflix did um more and more people know the story but you know walking through like the school and the classrooms where the desks and the books and the kids shoes and the deflated basketballs everything is still there um in the way that it was when people fled and had to evacuate when that nuclear plant melted down uh it was so Eerie walking through there um you could you could almost kind of feel feel the heaviness of of what happened there and then as as we were leaving after we left and were crossing back into Ukraine um we had to go through these like before we got on the bus we had to go through these radiation um kind of like the thing you walk through in TSA except it tests for radiation to make sure you're not
actually bringing any contaminants with you back into society all of that is to say like this is what we're talking about so you see that kind of video and you see how completely out of touch it is with the reality of what could happen uh in the event in the event of a nuclear attack and the fact that you know Russia's got what over 6 000 nuclear warheads the United States has over 5 000 nuclear warheads both countries making up 90 percent of the total number of nuclear warheads that exist in the world and literally it would just take the flick of a match to spark this war off and that's where say okay well you hear President Biden say well this is Putin's War this is Putin's fault it's it's Putin who's who's who's uh the the one who's solely responsible well the United States and some of these European NATO countries are fueling this war and need to provide the leadership to bring about a negotiated outcome that is exactly what needs to happen here to prevent the destruction of the planet and and life uh as We Know It uh they're not doing that and in doing so they are failing the American people and putting us in this position of not knowing where we're going to be do you think the event that this kicks off do you think that whoever the powers would be and whatever the influence is from the military-industrial complex that they are trying to prolong this in order to profit so they're trying to continue to fund Ukraine this it gives them an excellent reason to ramp up budgets and keep shipping over weapons and arms they keep making more and more profit and just get us right to the point where it gets squirrely well Putin won't do it he won't do it he won't do it but if he does it there's no pulling back from that there's the only reason why we would ever get to that point is because people are trying to make more money that is that is certainly a major driver I have no doubt about that I am concerned that we may we may have passed that point uh already um you're talking about people pushing us right up right up to the line and then just saying well you know the whole
theory of of nuclear weapons is one of mutually assured destruction right like there's no way Putin will ever launch this because of that fear of like okay well we will all be destroyed if that happens and they're saying you know Putin has many things but he's not crazy there's no way he's going to do this well they're talking about doing it they change their nuclear weapons policy so that according to their laws they would be authorized to use a nuclear weapon if they are facing any kind of existential threat whether it's coming from a nuclear Source or not and and you look at um the situation that that Putin is in right now he's boxed into a corner he's lost face he uh he is he is in a place where he may feel like he has nothing else to lose and and you you you find that same kind of mentality in people who are you know suicidal or people who are bullied or people who feel like they're their best option is is a way out and so to say to be so dismissive and say well you know Putin's not crazy he's not gonna he's not gonna do this um it it denies the reality of the position uh that he's in also doesn't he have cancer I don't know I I I've read different things about how he's sick but Oliver Stone said that when he was over there when he was filming Putin years ago yeah he had cancer and that he was being treated for cancer back then and he believes he still has cancer and there's all these rumors that he has cancer yeah I mean if he's terminal and he's slowly dying yeah that's a terrifying it is terrifying possibility it is the other the other argument the other the opposing argument uh is hey if we don't stop Russia now then they will take over all of Europe and you know come at us and then we'll have to deal with them later the problem with this is you look at you look at all the intelligence reports and things that were coming out in Russia first Was preparing to invade Ukraine and then invaded Ukraine this is what they were saying right is they're gonna do shocking on Ukraine take all of Ukraine and then move on to you know other NATO
allies and then to the West as a whole that has all been completely disproven and the intelligence Community failed us as a country with those reports because we've seen how Russia's military has been depleted and destroyed in many cases and as far as you know taking over they're having a hard time holding on to a little sliver of a non-nato country that is directly their neighbor right now what to speak of being able to go and take over Ukraine and move into other countries so you know these arguments that they keep making to justify sending billions and billions more of our taxpayer dollars uh to fund this proxy war there is no justification because it is undermining our Economic Security and it's undermining our national security and putting us and the world in a place where nuclear war in World War III could be imminent imminent not like oh a far future possibility total Destruction of the planet is imminent if if this if this occurs our leaders are completely failing us because they've got the power and the ability to be able to de-escalate and pull us back from the brink but but they're failing to do so and do you think that they're failing to do so because that will cut off the gravy train that's certainly part of it that's certainly part of it this this is something and and I'm bringing this up because no one else is talking about it during you know I ran for president in 2020 warning of this outcome seeing hey this is what's around the corner if you continue to wage these new cold Wars I talked about it virtually every single day brought it up in virtually every single interview and the media refused to talk about it it was never brought up in any of the debates and uh I was even told by a reporter like come on why do you keep talking about nuclear war here we are we are unfortunately in this place and and my concern is you know look the next presidential election is over what two years away over two years away we don't know what's going to happen next week or next month with this war the the only way to stop this now is for the American people people in Europe people around the world
taking that direct action to make sure that our voice is heard and putting our holding our leaders uh feet to the fire to literally bring about an end to this insanity and save save our future did you ever see the video of uh I forget who it was from the state department who's on The Colbert Report we played it the other day uh during the um uh Dave Smith podcast and there was a guy who wrote a book and this was in 2014 and he was on The Colbert Report back when it was on Comedy Central and he was essentially bragging about how they are trying to lure the Ukraine we'll play it for you just watch it um Gideon Rose it's crazy it's crazy first of all before we play it here's one of the things that's crazy about it is that they're essentially bragging openly about foreign policy shenanigans that are just designed to try to undermine Russia and they're doing it on Comedy Central in a joking way while this guy's selling a book this guy we'll play it so yeah you see what does he do again Jamie what is his uh position Foreign Affairs magazine is the magazine for the Council on Foreign Relations okay so let's listen to him fix this mess here to tell me how to reanimate Reagan is the editor of Foreign Affairs magazine Gideon Rose Mr Rose thank you so much for being here there's the magazine foreign affairs no no no now Gideon uh help me out here we've got we've got a battle the Ukraine some of them want to go into the EU the European Union right uh and some of them want to stay with Russia if the Ukraine's not in Europe right now what continent is it on well it's part of Eurasia but it's part of Eastern Europe and the former Soviet Bloc it's basically Robin to Russia's Batman and The Challenge here the challenge here is to try to attract it to the west to get it to flip sides so the rebels in the streets what are they fighting for they're fighting for a better future countries have a development sounds like a political speech no but it's actually really countries have to develop over time and Ukraine basically after it the end of the Soviet Union faced two tracks it could stay a sort of stagnant corrupt authoritarian country tied to Russia or it could essentially join the West it could modernize liberalize become a democracy uh at the last minute when it
looked like it was going to trade up from its sort of uh abusive relationship with its a boyfriend from the hood to a nice Yuppie uh you're not loading these choices in any way whatsoever it's actually true when it looked like it was going to trade up to a better uh environment uh at the last minute Putin offered a bribe how much 15 billion uh that's a lot of cash it's a lot of cash and the president who himself was tied to the old Elites and the eastern part of the country who ties to Russia decided to back off the change and go you know how many pirate themed restaurants you can buy with 15 billion dollars the problem was the western parts of the country and the younger parts of the country and the more modern liberal parts of the country basically knew that they had no future being Russia's Russia's vassal so they took to the streets is America taking sides in this in any way if these people if the rebels are winning right now right yes just recently why isn't Obama spiking the ball in the end zone and calling Putin and saying hey you might have won the medal count but we won the country count [ __ ] it's actually a very good question and the answer is that we don't want Russia to intervene and kick over the table like a game of Risk and take Ukraine back and so they do that could he send in troops yes he could so we are choosing so does Ukraine have any troops of their own would they fight back yes but we don't want this to escalate and we don't want Russia to crack down so we want to basically distract Russia oh look you have the highest medal count oh you did really well uh and you know there's a shiny object I'll just take an entire country away from you basically okay wild yeah that's wild yeah it's it's just wild that that's like a humorous thing that everybody thought was outside the realm of possibility and now here we are right right eight years later it's actually happening it is happening and you see um the drivers of this you know when we talk about the military-industrial complex it's not just the United States because the longer this goes on uh the more NATO is strengthened uh I think two other countries was it Finland and
Sweden have just joined NATO as a result of this uh these big arms deals are also happening with NATO uh the the major producers of these weapon systems are coming from the military-industrial complex here so there are a lot of interests that are pushing to build and strengthen this whole uh NATO complex and uh this war is giving them a great opportunity to do it there should have been a very direct and um you know full-hearted attempt to de-escalate and try to negotiate shade an outcome to this conflict before it started or very quickly after but instead what we saw was an influx of money and weapon systems which helped further escalate this war and no attempt no no meaningful attempt at all towards an actual diplomatic end to the conflict there doesn't seem to be any clear path to removing money from influence especially this kind of money when you're talking about 1.7 trillion dollars for 2022 that's so much money it comes out to who we are choosing to elect really like yeah okay we could you know yeah Congress should pass legislation to prohibit lobbyists and pacts from giving money to members of Congress and candidates that's what should happen but it's not what's going to happen so long as these same crooks are in charge so where does that leave us as voters it leaves us with making a choice there are candidates from both parties right now who are running saying hey I'm running to serve you in Congress and I refuse to accept a single penny from a lobbyist or a corporate pack there are choices out there we need more of those choices of people who are not just saying yeah America first I'll put country first but then are going in the back door and making these Shady deals people are actually backing up saying yes I'm here to serve you and only you the American people and backing it up with their actions so moving forward like you know even Trump one of the things like I don't know I think I believe it was with Steve Hilton he was having this uh interview and he started talking about the military-industrial complex but all these people want to go to war and it you've never heard a sitting president say something like that no and it was one of the things that I think is kind of interesting about Trump is that he is such a loose
cannon that he'll say things like that which is no one's going to say that yeah but how do you stop that influence once a person gets into office because it seems like obviously you never got into that spot but it seems like once you get into that spot there's so many moving pieces and there's so much influence there's so much money and there's a lot of you scratch my back I'll scratch yours we're working together on this so that we can work it together on that we can open up the pathway for this if you open up that like how does that ever get resolved by electing a real leader who has a backbone and whose motive is to serve the country and not these interests you see it with the military-industrial complex you see it with big Pharma you see it with big Insurance you see it with a lot of these different Wall Street um by electing a leader who has the backbone and courage stand up for the American people that's how we start to make this change because then that person who's elected as president commander-in-chief then makes the decision of who's going to be the the director of the National Security Council who's going to be the Secretary of Defense who's going to be the secretary of state who's going to lead all of these Federal institutions uh including uh the National Security State law enforcement FBI Department of Homeland Security making those decisions and then going down so it's not only those who you're pointing to those positions but recognizing that those bureaucrats who've been there for a really long time and who are very cozy with all of these special interests actually bringing about that institutional change that we need in order to to clean out the system I'm not saying that this is an easy task at all it is a tough task which requires a tough strong leader to be able to do it that's that's why I ran for president because I I've lived through experiencing the costs and consequences of presidents and members of Congress who don't give a [ __ ] about uh the cost of War not only on our military and our veterans but on the American people and
on the people in the countries where you know we've gone and waged these regime change wars in the name of spreading democracy and humanitarianism Meanwhile we're destroying those countries and harming those people a leader who can actually fulfill that responsibility of commander-in-chief is is what we need what Insight if any do you have on what it must be like to take office like the day of office I don't know if you do you know Bill Hicks is uh yeah a stand-up comic yeah one of the one of the greats and he died uh and like 90 I won't say like 93 or 94. he had this bit about what it's like the day you take office that he thinks you're in a smoky room and they show you an angle of the Kennedy assassination that you've never seen before and then uh the they stop the projector and you just go any questions yeah what's my agenda like what do I need to do like tell me what to do because this is what people think is that once you get in office then because he's like so many people had promises and campaign slogans and you go okay was Obama just lying was it did he did never have intentions to those things or once you get into office do they appraise you of all the threats to the world do they tell you you know what kind of influence the military industrial complex really has and how impossible it is to get the barbs out of the the skin of the American people uh obviously I have not sat in that chair but what I will say is if if we elect a president who cares more about the title and the re-election and the power than they act than they do about actually doing the job to serve the American people in our country then yeah you can and you we will end up with a president who is easily bullied and cow Towing to these special interests whatever they may be told oh hey look if you make this decision that we don't like whether it be the military-industrial complex or big Pharma we're going to pull our support from you or we're gonna do this or we're going to do that if that that's not a leader that's a follower um what do you think happens to you if you go against the grain like imagine I've experienced it to a degree to a
degree but imagine a person like you're like are you going to run as president as an independent the the system as it sits today that's not a viable option are you going it's not a Bible option because because uh I think it was back when Ross Perot ran uh for president yeah as uh I think he was an independent if I'm not mistaken and he was beating Bill Clinton in the polls um you know both parties saw that as a direct threat to themselves and got together and rigged the system to to um practically speaking shut out a third option well they shot him out the commission for presidential debates which is a privately funded institution yeah which most people don't know yeah which is kind of crazy that that is they change the standards for the debates for the debates yeah they did and then also they uh they changed the Electoral College to make it so that if you have a viable third option basically none of none of the parties will get the number the minimum number of electoral votes through this winner-take-all system uh needed to actually win and then it goes to Congress and then Congress will make that selection and uh so so the electoral college system itself also needs to be reformed to one that is uh proportional so if you know if I were to run for president and win 60 percent of Texas I would get 60 percent of Texas's um electoral votes rather than if you win a state you get all of them all of them right that makes sense um when you say they changed the presidential elections and they changed the Electoral College like who's they the the leadership of both parties if we are threatened by a legitimate third party this is how we can stop that in its tracks yeah and so now a third party is essentially almost impossible as of today yes it would be great to to live in a world where that were not the case but um when you look at the practical application of our of our electoral system right now it's not a viable path are you going to run for any kind of office as an independent I'm not running for anything now um I am deeply deeply concerned about this uh very real and imminent threat of nuclear
war that no one is talking about that no one is preparing the American people for that people are um kind of sitting ducks because of the decisions that our leaders have made if I felt that there was a way that I could um stop that and make a difference and impact that and pull us back from the brink um then yeah I'd seriously consider running again my concern though is like we don't know what's going to happen and you know we we don't know if it's going to be too late there's no way to argue with that that's that look as you're saying this I'm like yeah yeah I mean I wish I had a Counterpoint is it possible that this is it yeah but I don't this does not look good and I don't know how many people are even really truly aware of how close we are most people aren't most people aren't and part of it is because um again the media hardly covers it and if they do they're talking about it as though it's like um you know uh one missile system against the other they're talking about the waging of a nuclear war as though it can be won or as though there's some kind of limitation to the destruction and Devastation that it will cause um you know going back to Reagan he talked about how a nuclear war cannot be won and must never be fought uh you go back to you know JFK recognized the serious danger and risk of a nuclear war we go back to these leaders in the past from both parties who saw how dangerous a nuclear war would be and therefore took action to try to reduce the numbers of nuclear weapons in the world and try to put these non-proliferation treaties in place almost all of those treaties have been Stripped Away at this point there is one left between the United States and Russia the two largest nuclear powers in the world and that is being eroded as we speak the longer this this war continues so no I think the American people don't largely know and and that's why it's so important to to talk about it because as we sit here today like that's that's the only
that's the only thing that'll make a difference at this at this point is people here in the United States people in Europe people around the world stepping up speaking out making sure that our voices are heard taking action to say no absolutely not we need our leaders need to look out for our lives our futures our country this planet and negotiate an end to this war and prevent destruction of this planet there's also these very simplistic narratives that are going out now like you have to support Ukraine put a Ukraine flag in your Twitter bio and I see so many people doing that and then Russia invaded Ukraine so supporting Ukraine is important so we should send money to Ukraine and that's it yep and and don't ask questions right don't ask how that money is being spent right don't question the corruption that everybody knows exists in Ukraine uh don't question where those those weapons are going don't question um you know what the actual real life ramifications are to our national security as a country to our future given nuclear war is on the line what to speak of the direct economic implications we are already feeling with you know uh gas prices hiking in many places in the country uh increased inflation uh you know supply shortages food shortages the the um the UN the un's um food guy I can't remember His official title but he's he's already sounded a warning saying that this war is causing an unprecedented threat of global starvation Global starvation so the ramifications of this people are just like ah okay go to war and here's more guns and here's more weapons and instead of actually being leaders and advocating for peace and and a negotiated resolution where yes Ukraine's gonna have to give up something Russia is going to have to give up something that's literally uh what happens when you negotiate an end to a war you can look throughout history nobody walks away completely happy but that's what needs to happen for the sake of humanity at this point and our leaders are are failing to do so and so it we're at a point where the future is in our hands and what are we what are we
willing to do I'm gonna ask you a difficult question what do you think is going to happen if we continue down this path that we have seen where we have seen this war continue to escalate since the invasion happened we will end up in World War III and a nuclear Holocaust if nothing else changes and we continue down this path this is where that path leads and it's not some far-flung possibility they're talking about this now it's very difficult for people to live in a world without nuclear war to live in a world where you get up your alarm clock goes off you go to work you drive the same way every day to imagine the eradication of all civility of all all the things all of our structure in terms of all of our just everything from all of our civil liberties to all of our roads and utilities being gone everything eradicated almost instantaneously yes and living in a lawless structureless Society where people are scrambling for food and dying of radiation poisoning if you're lucky if you're lucky because those are the lucky ones who survive who survive exactly and how long that radiation contamination lasts thousands of years it's it's an impossible scenario for people to put it in the radiation will last as long as Homo sapiens have existed which is wild yeah and so we we we're in a position where you know I'm sure the billionaires of the world have their you know deep bunkers with food sources and water sources do they even I gotta believe that they do I know I know that I know that um I mean look I I know there are contingencies in place for our politicians at the highest levels should this situation occur so that they can continue to manage and wage the war from another location what do you make of the pipeline blowing up because now people are saying that the pipeline whoever did it they did it intentionally yeah and what do you think that's all about war war is unpredictable and so uh
that this occurred should not have been a surprise I don't know who did it I haven't seen any evidence to point in One Direction or another uh you know Russia's got the financial investment in that pipeline so I don't know somebody's done the numbers I don't remember what they are but how much money they lost in that uh with that explosion uh and and that pipeline being sabotaged um so I don't know who is responsible but we should not be surprised that as this war escalates that this sort of thing happens and it should cause everyone to wonder okay so this week it was a pipeline a major energy pipeline being sabotaged uh cutting off the ability for you know major countries in Europe as they head into winter from having that option internet cables deep deep undersea internet cables uh GPS satellites other necessary pieces of infrastructure not only to the United States but to the world what's next in this escalation of war and again this is not just about something happening in Europe because again we've already seen in this past week uh at least on the west coast and in other parts of the country how gas prices have gone up 50 cents 70 cents they're continuing to rise all of these things are are directly connected and you mentioned the loss of civil liberties let's say we get to a point where World War III is sparked because of this but a nuclear weapon has not been used it's absolutely a realistic uh outcome to imagine some kind of Martial law being implemented here in the United States because now we are a country at War and there are certain regulations and civil liberties that are being violated just like we've seen uh with the Patriot Act in the past we've seen recent examples of the country being shut down by the government in the interest in the public interest and so this these these outcomes are not just theoretical this is where we are headed if we don't change course yeah I'm concerned about all that and I'm concerned about the lack of understanding that people have about the implementation of implementation of things like a digital currency that is centralized that's controlled by the government right that scares the [ __ ]
out of me absolutely because that's what we're in Maxine Waters who has been promoting this said that we need this to compete with China which is so crazy yeah it's like saying we need communism to compete with Communism exactly because that's what it is yeah if you want to compete with Communists you have to be a communist like what like digital currency that's centralized by the state is terrifying because they'll connect it to a social credit score system yeah if they connected to a social credit score system Tulsi gabbard I don't like what you said on The Joe Rogan Experience we're going to go and eliminate your ability to fly right you can't fly you can't travel you can't buy gas anymore which is what they do in China with it's all within the realm of possibility and you look at that and you and uh what is the recent thing of I think Elizabeth Warren was pushing for credit card companies to start tracking people who buy ammunition yes and Firearms to the government Visa is going to change the way they categorize gun sales so they'll put gun sales in a different realm of like just in of regular sales which is to let people know like Hey we're watching yeah exactly yeah and not just because like oh well I'm just curious no no there's a regulatory follow-up action uh to that violation of privacy do you have any good news is any happy you talk about Tulsi um when you and I talk outside of this it's always very happy you're a happy person I am a happy person I'm full of Aloha Joe that's why I'm warning people about the impending doom of of us of of of where our leaders are taking us and and really it is that um it's that care for each other and for our planet and our future that should require that that should encourage us to be involved and to be engaged and as disheartening as as our election systems and politics can be we've got to know that that we have to be the change no one else is going to come and save us our Founders Envision this country as a country of by and for the people um many in our government have forgotten that unfortunately they're not going to wake up one day and magically remember
it's up to us to to bring about that change and and the system that our Founders set up for us it has its flaws we've got a lot of work to do on it you know with the money um you know lobbyists and pack money infecting or corrupting our politics uh you know election Integrity making sure that you know people are actually trusting the system and that their votes will be counted as they were cast so there's there's work to do but these changes can only come about when we are all informed uh and engaged in the process um so one piece of news last time I came on your show I talked about launching a podcast yeah I'm finally doing it specifically to be able to um to really you know I'll go and do different interviews they're like four to five minutes long I have like okay cool I can say four sentences in that period of time but to actually uh take a deep dive into examining like hey here here are the challenges that we're facing here's how we identify what the problem is and the cause and hear some of the things that that we need to be able to do um to to solve these problems yeah that's the reality of conversations and you know I think it took until podcasts existed where people realize the value of talking about one particular subject for over an hour yeah like we when we were talking about gender identity and the craziness of world culture like that's uninterrupted it keeps going on and on you could never do that on a network television show you'd get interrupted by a commercial all we'll be right back and the audience collapse and like this is madness like you can't have a nuanced important conversation about a subject that is very complex exactly quickly you can't do it quickly and really when you think about it all of these different things you might see a headline here a sound bite there there's always so much more to it uh and and looking at you know different people's views and actually encouraging those conversations and and helping people just to understand um each other right as people yeah well the good news is people recognize that yeah and that's one of the reasons why podcasts are so huge yeah like the
numbers that we get like off of this conversation will be so much bigger than any other conversation you can have anywhere else which is weird right but that's why yeah it's because people recognize like hey this is not it's not satisfying to watch these five-minute chunks on CNN where people talking over each other with three different screens you know three different boxes on the screen and everybody's yelling over each other all right well thank you for your input bye click we solved nothing yeah exactly you don't learn anything no Insight gained see ya bye-bye yeah and here's Pfizer brought to you by Pfizer it's like this isn't wild like this is a dystopian Mike Judge movie yeah and it's it's not an accident that you never hear people on those channels saying hey you should be careful about what Pfizer is telling you because of the drugs or the vaccines or whatever it is they're trying to sell you and then cut to the Pfizer commercial it's not an accident that you know 75 of all television advertisement is pharmaceutical yeah which is insane it is and we are one of two countries on Earth that allows that the other one is New Zealand and New Zealand is much more strict than us yeah it's and and I mean this this is a huge other topic I know you've talked about a lot before too is like people talk about health care reform yeah in America but most people who talk about it aren't identifying uh the root cause of the problem which is our entire system incentivizes sickness and obesity and people being unhealthy our system is built around that it does not incentivize health and wellness and nutrition and prevention and fitness and uh and again I mean this this who's making the money here yeah prevention's the big word and you know it's just the problem is these corporations are always trying to make more money every year and if they go around telling you hey you know we'd make less money but you'd be happier yeah if you stop eating sugar and garbage and start exercising every day right yeah yeah there's no incentive it blew my mind during the covid pandemic era that uh gen sake at the White House refused she refused to say that uh hey uh nutrition nutrition and and being healthy could actually help you uh if you get covid that the symptoms might
not be so bad did she refuse like she was encouraged somebody was asked somebody would somebody asked her a direct question um you know and I think this was censored around I think the CDC was saying that people who are obese are more likely to have severe consequence Health consequences if they if they catch covid and so the reporter asked and I don't know I don't remember which Outlet it came from but the reporter said so are you the White House therefore then advocating for uh nutrition and health in order to try to prevent that and she just said um we take all of our guidance from the CDC and the CDC says get vaccinated she couldn't even just say well yeah of course try to be healthy yeah well she's a propagandist I mean that's that job you're the propaganda arm yeah and but it's stuff like that right it's stuff like that that people see them be like what's wrong with you like are you a robot right why can't you say the thing that's obvious to everyone no if they really care they would tell people supplement with vitamin D yeah they've been one of the first thing to say it's cheap it's not hard to do yeah we have plenty of it let's go and and we know statistically that people are radically deficient in this country yeah and lose weight yeah I hard lose weight in fact it's cheap yeah you eat less food anybody eat healthier food eat real food yeah I mean the percentage of people in this country that eat fast food primarily on a daily basis is crazy and that we've done nothing to especially for lower income people to make real healthy food available to easily and readily and this this goes back to that information where these Norms have been created and I've had conversations with different people uh recently um somebody who was telling me about his experience like they were overseas and deployed and it was somebody's birthday and like one of the guys knew how to cook and he made this amazing orange cake like he actually went to the market and got oranges and made this cake from scratch like not even from a box and it was better than a cake from Walmart and my mind I'm like holy crap like why is it abnormal to make a cake from scratch where you put the flour and you put the
sugar and you put the oil or whatever it is it doesn't come from a box that's why we're so crazy that things with preservatives that come from yes are normal yeah and things that you just make out of actual food are not even when it comes to like something like cake which is not even good for you anyway exactly same thing as this other woman I was talking to and she's like um gluten intolerant newly gluten intolerant or like diagnosed with Celiac she's like I'm really having a hard time and you know there are certain foods I can't eat and I'm trying to cook for my family and this and that I was like oh I got a great gravy recipe because she'd be like I can't eat gravy I was like no you can make gravy but use garbanzo flour instead of regular flour and you use this then you add this and you add that and she's like you make gravy from scratch oh my God it's like oh my heart hurts it's crazy right yeah it's a sad um it's kind of a sad picture of of where we are well that's simplify a lot of change if everything goes south you're gonna have to learn how to figure out how to get food yeah and it's not good no it's I mean there's so many apocalyptic movies and television shows out now too yeah it's like they're just like I mean it's in the back of our head that this could all go away at any moment you know the the dystopian landscape the the destroyed buildings in the background the gray skies and yeah ah I think the fact that politicians in the media are not talking about it should be a major red flag and a warning to everybody there's a reason why they refuse to talk about it and so it's up to us to learn about it and to use our voices to get them to do the right thing I think they're terrified that if they do talk about it that it makes all these decisions and opinions very unpopular and the people are going to be scared about it yes so instead they'll just have them talk about you know real simple the borders leaking oh look at the border like there's like all these different things of the guitar right if that if that well it's always the Republicans they're talking about that yeah but that's because they're not in power yeah and if they were in power it would be the Democrats that were talking about it and they'd find some
reason why they're wrong right exactly which is because it's just a political game of football versus people that are actually trying to change things for the better to make the country a healthier happier place to be yeah that's the key telsi you're awesome I always appreciate talking to you it's great to see you even though you depressed a [ __ ] out of me today and you're awesome and I appreciate you very much thank you I appreciate you Joe all right we'll talk soon all right bye everybody [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music]