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[Music] by night all day this is the first interview I've ever done except for Barbara Walters 30 years ago holy [ __ ] when the first question she asked me was that was with Streisand at the time he said are you a hustler and I said if you mean do I hustle every [ __ ] day of my life yes I'm a hustler what does that mean are you a hustler what was she implying that I was using Barbara wow a hairdresser with the biggest star in the world isn't that crazy she would never dare ask that question if you were a woman no and and you know you were with Roger Moore or whatever yeah never she was angry you know and uh yeah that's a wild question to ask someone like a person who's a hairdresser can't fall in love with uh some famous singer that's not possible yeah well like are they are they Out Of Reach yeah I think that the fact that I was making decisions for her or not making decisions I was creating alternatives for her and she was like yeah man Star is Born was something that when I first read it I called her and I said I read this thing should you schmuck it's been made three times before and she hung up the phone on me that was 1976 with Wow and that's when I met Elvis I went through your IMDb holy [ __ ] have you produced a lot of movies yeah a lot of marijuana man a lot of getting [ __ ] up Jack you made so many movies yeah over a hundred that's incredible that's incredible yeah because I always was a storyteller and as a kid I was and I didn't always tell the truth but they were my stories my life became my story my stories became my life the things that I'm doing today are things that I said I would do I wanted to be I wanted I was in love with Ali I made Ali the life story of I was in love with Presley I wanted him to be in Star is Born we flew up to Vegas and we met with him and uh he was so fat he couldn't sit in a chair he was about 100 pounds overweight wow and he said I got a problem man I got a problem I said what's your problem he said I'm having a fight with my girlfriend and I said was that mean he says well she's flying in my 747 for two hours I haven't decided
where the letter let her land or not so yeah so I've been lucky I've been a really blessed lucky guy did you meet Elvis when he was doing karate uh yeah so that was when he was uh Ed party no no no no no I met him once when he was uh really fat and uh Colonel Parker called me and said he wants to do the movie but you can't be a part of it so I called because I was a producer I created I wrote it I I there was my thing man I was obsessed with this movie and uh the love story was me and Barbara we copied it and Barbara said [ __ ] him I said [ __ ] you and so he didn't do it and then later after the movie Priscilla Presley called me and said to me I gotta tell you he wanted to see it on opening day and he did and he cried that he didn't do it because I would have got to the other side of Elvis I would have got to the pain I would have got to the feelings I would have got past the other thing it would have been gigantic because I saw that in him I could feel the pain in him so when when you met him was towards the end then like this time towards the end did you watch the film the new one the new Elvis movie fantastic it's amazing right yes because they did it differently yeah they did a completely different take it was amazing the way the just the way it was edited and put together with all the you know the things in between the scenes it was incredible yeah it was so good it's like that story is such a unique story because there had never been a person like him before that was that famous ever ever he still gives me chills man Michael Jackson was like the next one right he'd never been someone like him either Michael Jackson and I uh um I went to him and I when I was doing stars born I mean uh Batman and I had Prince to do the music and I wanted Michael to do the warring theme so it was like a fight so Michael Jackson plays no thank you Michael Jackson plays uh you know Batman the guy and Prince plays the Joker Jack Nicholson but Michael backed out we became friends he took me to his house he showed me Thriller and he said well I said I show him this is because you did American war within
London and I copied you to do Thriller wow America werewolf in London's greatest horror movie of all time yes I made I wrote that I mean I I didn't write it right you saw the wolf out there yeah I [ __ ] worshiped that movie yeah that movie was so fun it was such a great movie because it was such a great combination of sheer Terror and comedy yeah it was amazing yeah thank you man it's an amazing movie that's what we do it stands the test of time I watched it again like a year ago John Landis oh he's the guy that unfortunately the yeah yeah you know yeah the accident yeah terrible his uh that that American Werewolf in London movie uh you know what you guys did was uh it's just like a a real like a horror classic yeah thank you there's a few CL like The Shining there's a few classes American World from London is the monster movie classic yeah well one of the other things that I was lucky enough to do is Caddyshack oh and everybody golfs so I'm gonna make a new one now and I just I just got off the phone with Shaq and gonna I'm gonna put everybody together in this [ __ ] it's the elite which will be Billy jebby uh that that owned the club and they one day get madoffed now all the guys are kind of guys that have money that they turn down they take over the club and these guys work for them and it's uh it's going to be a very funny story wow how come no one's done another good werewolf movie because any movie that you make is a gift from God they're so hard is that what it is it's hard man I give people Academy we're just trying to get the movie mates the pieces the agents the story The acting the distribution the this to that the [ __ ] the lying the cheating it's impossible wow I have a movie that I'm gonna do it's called Africa and it's it's like Out of Africa and Eric Roth wrote it who wrote the um you know one of the greatest writers in in Hollywood and he wrote it 22 years ago for me I've been developing this for 20 years because I never got the love story right I had Brad Pitt I had Angelina Jolie they broke up the story it fell apart but I'm I'm working now on getting the
historian and I'm going to make the movie it's about a journalist doing a story on a guy who's trying to stop the poaching and the killing of all the animals in Africa hmm Beautiful Love Story loses two legs you got all the yeah he got shot down by the poachers and he you we see the whole black experience and the culture and they have a one day of fighting and you see swords and [ __ ] that it made the all in the African culture wow what what excites you most about making movies at this point in your life stories stories yeah like because it's got to excite you like Dana White [ __ ] makes me crazy I love him he wrote me something JP I love you I love you [ __ ] and he can box he was gonna box knucklehead I saw that on the thing I was like [ __ ] Got Big Balls potatoes not not not not not tough although on the standards the fight that that uh fella the show before last um with the blood all over the face that happened so often which fight was that right remember he put the blood oh Luke rockhold yeah brilliant until that moment then I thought it was a poor loser I mean he should have as opposed to the Happy Samoan guy who got beat up by the big black guy he was a great Loser yeah he was yeah Tai Tui took his kids I think Rock holding that guy had had so many bad words to say to each other like during training camp probably leading up to it it was like he was fighting of the ear like Tyson biting the ear well except it's legal like you're allowed to like smear your blood all over a guy and guys do it all the time they just don't do it that blatantly I've never seen him yeah if guys have like a cut on their head you will oftentimes see them like leaning towards the guys they know they know that blood sucks to get in your eye they're not stupid but it's legal yeah you know it's I mean it's not something they're they're actively trying to pursue as a technique but if they find that they're bleeding from their forehead and see they see the guy's face right there they'll just do it but ways to the way Luke Rockwell did it was just crazy yeah
he's rubbed his bloody nose all over the guys because he's a bit of a [ __ ] Luke rockhold is yeah I would not say that no in my opinion as an audience for doing that no just in general really the way he behaves just it's just something about him that uh I don't know I see him as an actor I see him as a movie star I see him but then that fight he was amazing so maybe he hasn't I just he's cursed with being impossibly good-looking that maybe that's what it is that's a big part of it it's easy it's so pretty maybe that's what that's what it is it bothers men yeah I always say that uh the only reason anyone gets laid is because Luke rockhold didn't show up first yes it's true and he's got a beautiful body he's perfect and he's tall yeah and so that bothers people so if he was just a regular guy he wouldn't bother you as much could be part of the arrogance that bothers people but all prize Fighters have arrogance yeah it's like it's so common you kind of have to have a certain amount of arrogance and bravado to be successful yeah I mean they don't all some of them are pretty humble they keep it to themselves but inside like there's there's a there's a Bravado there and you know when it comes from a super good looking guy it's uh hard to take people don't like it it's hard to take why people get mad at me man I still got hair you know what I mean so you know yeah no it's it's been uh I've had an amazing career the UFC thing has been my my hobby I tried to pick every fight before it happens within about 30 admitted into the round by the way they walk and move and stuff and everything it's like a hobby weren't you entertained by that Luke rockhold fight though that was very entertaining it was incredible phenomenal I was I loved him for that because he let it all go and there were scenes in it that were like a movie where he said yes yes it was definitely a movie this is like a movie it really was it was like if you saw that in the movie like come on especially if you had a got to know him and had his life before and realized that this was his real in his way because he's been so beautiful this is his license of manhood because now he could actually be tough and beautiful hmm well he was even when he was the
champion you know he was a strike force champion and he was then he was a UFC champion and when when he was in his prime like see the thing about an elite high level fighter and this is the reality of it the the consequences on your body are so grave there's so much going wrong your neck and your [ __ ] shoulder and your knee it's always happening and so these guys only have a few years to perform and like the uh when he that first guy knocked out it was in Oklahoma are you talking about the first fight the first fight in the UFC that was against Trey television yeah with the red-headed kid um I don't think he had red hair or he had light hair but yeah he had to go to the hospital he broke the whole thing yeah well I I would imagine Vitor had crazy hands he did in those shoulders and the shoulders yeah in the back yeah then he um he beat Scott ferozo and uh won the tournament the heavyweight tournament he was 19 years old yeah I loved it when he took out uh uh the bar Fighter um tank habit yeah you were telling me you you knew Carlson Gracie I trained with him that's wild for three years man every day when he was on Hawthorne when he was at my house oh he came to your house with Victor oh but that was back when they were calling him Victor yeah yeah I interviewed Victor to marijuana oh no because he wouldn't trade and I got him loaded and he stayed in the gym the whole day really yeah he wouldn't train him well he was late he was lazy a lot of guys that are good looking and building like that they're lazy because he beats people up like that well he was a spectacular he was yeah he was so fast yeah that's when I called Dana and I said remember me we almost brought the thing together when I think about a guy like Vitor who's really like at his best at like between 185 and 205 pounds yeah if if Vitor had come up now where the weight classes are already established and he wouldn't have to be fighting heavyweights like he was fighting guys like Randy Couture Scott Frozen was a big guy if he was able from the time he was 19 to fight like I don't know at the weight class so they're like natural to his body he'd been one of the greatest of all time at the names if you remember it Al stinky oh yeah she found a man I put Victor without stanky oh no kidding
he was a tough [ __ ] oh yeah he could swim we would race in the pool he would I would do 10 laps he'd do 30 laps in the water he's like amazing guy but he taught Victor had a bob and had a weave and everything yeah and they were in the UFC in those days there was no stand up it was all on the ground almost nobody had ground skills like Vitor had but I also had the kind of hands yeah exactly that was what was interesting yeah I just think that if you go to like the early part of his career if that guy was in a like a weight class that was natural to his body like 185 pound weight class something like that I agree with you would have been one of the great Champions he would have been one of the great Champions yeah I was trained years ago as a kid he got up to like 240 pounds yeah I know way too big he got the 241 I went to 281. I'm now down I gotta lose another 30 pounds since I you know what are you doing gonna lose it no food raw fish and vegetables and that's it raw fish yeah I love it man yeah yeah I have a chef and she's the greatest Chef in the world and she cooks for me wherever I go and and I yeah I Gotta Lose I want to get I'm 260 I want to get down to I really like it's under 200. I'd like a trainer yeah oh yeah that's Brazilian great guy that's awesome amazing black belt trainer guy championed from Brazil I brought him over he's fantastic so you're doing Jiu Jitsu with him as much as I can because I'm all broke up yeah I see you so he's got you doing other stuff yeah yeah yeah that's great having someone like that especially for a guy like you that's very busy yeah having someone like this is my job I trained for my life man from the morning I train I live in my spa I live in I've never gone to an office everybody resolves around my my Schnoodle I have great talented people when you were talking to Elon Musk about how does he do it all delegation yeah finding smart people you put them then you don't have to do nothing you just tell them what you want to do and they figure out how to do it and even Justice I do that I run like 30 companies oh that's genius that's probably fun too I'm excited that's why I'm breathing heavy because yeah like I want to go now you seem excited I am this is fired up again this
is my one I didn't I was going to do a book they gave me like a big Advance Barbara and everybody got angry so I gave the money back and I never did it this is the first time I'm being interviewed really being interviewed where someone could watch and say oh that's who he is well I I always think about it just like having a conversation like I've always just wanted to talk to you just think you know when I look at your body of work and the the history that you've had in making movies it's it's incredible you know I when I did stars born and we came back from the everybody put me down I was like a joke I was a pimp I was that how dare me produced the biggest movie was the biggest star and I must have a 12-foot dick although I did learn in life that I'm actually a lesbian so I really learned how to make love with women once I saw my friend this model and this little lesbian lady and I said what do you do how did you get her because I would always come too fast I could never make it work right you know I mean sometimes it works sometimes it didn't and uh I learned now that with my wife my lady we make love for three hours I I I it becomes an orchestra with my love for her and my gratitude that she saved my life by bringing spirituality into me because I was like getting tired of living So when you say spirituality like in what form studying uh Joe dispenser genius you should look him up he's a [ __ ] 100 000 people sells out hundred thousands of pieces he's like you he said but he's amazing studying people every night for six seven hours learning with therapy working on what it was like to be in jail as a kid see my father die in front of me my best best friend shot as he was going over the fence in juvie a lot of stuff that happened to me as a kid you just glossed over some pretty crazy stories yeah you saw your father die in front of you yeah [ __ ] piss and go whoo it took a long time to get over it but I never got over it but women saved my life because every time I got somebody good she was smart she was talented and she filled in that thing
Barbara gave me a career and my wife gave me love that's beautiful yeah and Peter guber I love him we broke up not in a good way one of the smartest most wonderful men I ever met in my life I wish I had not lost him as my friend after a partnership of 15 years what happened what how did it go south I got it I almost [ __ ] his wife whoops we got so close that she started feeling for me and because I'm a talker and Peter isn't uh she started getting very connected to me not in my intention not in my wanted and thing that I didn't you know but I did feel romantic because she was she was different than Barbara too she was very loving but I never touched her and I think that was a breach that my karma it kicked my ass for 10 years I couldn't I was so [ __ ] up by losing him it took me a while to get myself back and to take responsibility for what I did I never touched her but she would come sit in the jacuzzi with me and 10 other girls and smoke dope and it just got too close is that the one of the hardest things about putting together all these films is the relationships between all the people that are involved yeah you have to be a master manipulator and you got to be with each other all the time because you're working 16 hour days 16 hour days and you have to get them to do things they don't want to do that's why I didn't do the thing with Dana and you had to be in Vegas with Fighters I wanted to be with girls with titties [Laughter] but you go titties I love titties but I um no you know I was a professional ladies man because I was a hairdresser so every day if I wasn't busy I had to go out and find pretty girls and say come here let me do your hair um when you're doing these films and it takes like 16 hour days and there's all these different personalities you're juggling how do you keep like a vision of what same way you're interested in the UFC I have a vision of the movie I sat with Dana and I said this is bigger than the Power Rangers Dana
and Dana said I never thought I said yeah I said because you guys naked and thing and I was dating Catherine Zeta-Jones we went to a big fight in Oklahoma where there was a gun show right here after the fight the Brazilian wiped everybody out and then all the red guys rednecked people they started fighting with us and I was with Catherine and Victor and hoist and Hixon and every Carlson everybody got around us and walked us to our car to get us out wow and that's when uh Catherine said man is Victor sexy I said okay I said let's open it I opened him a dojo I did everything I got I put them in business wow that's a it's a crazy history you've had yes I have sir we've got a lot of wild wild experiences in your life yeah and as a little boy my dad was an American Indian Cherokee my mom's Italian so I was riding horses early and they came to cast The Ten Commandments and I got picked out of like a thousand people to be in that and meet John Derrick Cecil B Demille wow and I was an extra writing on a big bison with a with a little goat and the guy said because when they go to the bathroom it's that big because they're like 1500 pounds so we're going down the thing and my little goat starts to [ __ ] and I went oh pick up and they cut and Joe Mill came out and said who said that I said he said the [ __ ] big ones man not the little ones now shut the [ __ ] up or something like that you know oh he should have been more specific yeah well you're yeah they're just little teeny things yeah little pellets but yeah so from that time on I got hooked in the movie business of something about look at the UFC's a movie I went to Dana years ago and said let's I want to do your movie yeah but can you encapsulate something like the UFC in a two-hour movie no no no but you can do your best you'd have to tell the story from the Gracie's angle hmm yeah and the street fights and the four UFC fights yeah UFC one is the story yeah oh yeah man that's the real story The Voice crazy story
yeah that's how I got in yeah all those guys they were my guys no one's really done a movie on that no but I that's the thing I want to do and then I can involve Dana and you and all the stuff but I want to tell us from Brazil and then bring it back that's a great idea yeah it's a big epic but I I see it in my head that's what happens I see things finished the Gracies are the most important family in the history of martial arts totally they're the most important totally like the the most important contributors to the old 100 hey it's in the kosher man watch a TV show and the lead actors doing a choke and an arm part it's like what it's like it'd be permeable because when we did it the police would come you would have to leave the cops would come you know they've got it so that the whole World practices yes I see it and it was all them yeah having voice on TV for UFC one started yeah I remember it and you you're a big big part of it well thank you very much big part of it you're part of that culture I'm a professional fan yeah well you are nice to and the way you handle it yourself is like daily this guy and and between the two of you without compromising each other you do a brilliant job if you left the show I would be very upset if Dana leaves I'm gone yeah what he does is very different he knows what the fighters are he knows what the drama is shut the [ __ ] up you know how hard it is to do this [ __ ] show you don't know [ __ ] all you're not a [ __ ] fighter shut the [ __ ] up he's a real guy oh man he's a real guy like that's really him he's a real guy all day long I'm nothing to him but to say that he loved me and then you know why because I made vision quest uh a Vision Quest he said changed his life changed so many wrestlers lives that's it that's what I I was really into wrestle and that's why I did that show and that's and I found Madonna you know it was one of my favorite scenes in that movie in any movie is the scene where the the guy who works at the place with him is telling him about the soccer player yeah and about how he is watching it at home and just for that one moment everyone gets elevated yes it's true yes it's a great speaker the other night
when that I had the first time in my life and I've seen a thousand fights and I've been to in 200 of them to the death almost in the street when that guy was getting beat up by that black guy he was punching him like a bag I looked away I couldn't watch it yeah it was the first time it was so brutal and and it looked great on the other hand what's he gonna do when he comes across someone that can punch and really Bob and Weaver which guys are you talking about the black guy and the salon guy oh Cyril gone and yeah no worries noise yeah yeah Cyril gone man God damn that was good yeah he's insane yeah he's he's such a smooth strike but it was a perfect storm yeah he didn't have anybody coming at him this guy was big punches he had he was always open well see Rogan is very agile yeah when we started there were no black ass the fighters I used to say when we get the black Fighters and you're gonna see Rhythm and movement and punches and things coming from here and there and everything else dancing man life is a [ __ ] Musical you're either imagery or out of it and you have to make your own life which is what all these guys talk about every day their own musical where they own pieces that work that fulfill your life to make you happy because if you're not happy and you have money you have nothing take it for me this year twice in the hospital for what they call accidental suicides and uh because I had I was [ __ ] we were breaking up and I was self-medicating which I've always done legally but not so much and uh luckily that's a hilarious definition right there well legally but not so much yeah right exactly no self-medicating yeah exactly a little sketchy yeah so it's I I know the feeling yeah of of uh just you know especially at my age 77 people I'm preparing for another 20. so I'll be training for another 20. beautiful the way I eat the way I think that's what I do you're alive right now all you have to do is just keep keep pushing one day at a time yeah yeah man it's like when when you're at a certain stage of your life if you're you're mobile and you want to do better you can do better if you're alive you can you can get better totally a hundred percent
everybody can feel better I know a lot of billionaires are dead yeah unfortunately there's so much stress involved in that kind of a problem do you see Mark Zuckerberg's training MMA yes he's really pretty good at it yes it's like I mean he's doing the right thing I'm looking at the exercises I saw them on the show he was great interesting and that's one of the crazy job that guy has a genius yeah and now he has to feed the genius but I mean imagine being responsible for three billion people's content and what and and also you have shareholders and also you have like CEOs and all these people meet I wouldn't be able to sleep I don't know how he does it I mean either and you know he said that uh training was one of the best things for him because he was running but unfortunately Runnings had made him think more yeah so he's thinking about all these problems while he's running quiet time yeah right but when he's training he can't think of anything else like when someone's trying to tackle him and get hit exactly so all you're focused on is that and that cleanses the mind have you ever been in a fight where it's full-blown to the to whoever gets knocked out yeah being like a full contact yes yeah yeah yeah I mean like a street fight no I didn't really get in street fights yeah no I avoided street fights I mean the last street fight I had is probably I was like 14. yeah I had a uh the last one I got in I lost and the guy didn't even hurt me he uh got me in a headlock like I didn't even know we were gonna fight I was like why is this guy staring at me like this like he got my face he grabbed me in a headlock and he threw me to the ground and he got on top of me in the bathroom of the boys room and he got and he went like that he was going to punch me and then he'd laugh he was like nah I don't even have to and he just let me up and it was humiliated it was humiliating and then I realized like oh my God I gotta learn how to wrestle and then I joined the wrestling team and then um when I wrestled I was wrestling and then I started doing Taekwondo the same year and I like taekwondo a lot more I just like the idea of knocking someone unconscious it was very exciting to me
yeah so that's so I got involved in that and I did that for there was a a time when Jerry Bruckheimer was partners with a guy named Don Simpson Don Simpson was a genius and so is Jerry Top Gun is one of the best movies I've ever seen in my life my favorite movie ten times I just watch it over and over and over and over it's so damn [ __ ] brilliantly done it's like I did stars born two years ago we had the soundtrack we have the thing they had everything and at the time Top Gun was just blew the roof off the world it did but this is better this one this one that they did now the new one you think it's better I I need to watch it the oh I haven't watched it the cameras are in the cockpit man and they go like this and you're in the cockpit and you got the music and you got the score talk about a musical it's a musical wow and he's phenomenal You're Gonna Go how's he doing that how's he doing that do they play highway to the danger zone yes the hair step from the back of your neck man of course they do crazy amazing the brilliant movie I call brookheimer I say look you're the camp man I love you this is a brilliant movie but see just like I am with them the way Fighters are with each other you know somebody's good and they're damn good right right yeah there's look That's a classic movie that's a goddamn what do you have a favorite of all the movies you've done well I like Batman because it was one that was it broke nobody had any done anything like that before right and I had a big affair with convincing her over there and we fell in love and I hired all UFC fighters to fight my stuff there's no such thing as UFC fighter but no martial arts guys oh yeah so hit guys from the tongue sword guys oh wow you guys went to the hospital they got cut because I pushed the limit on the damn thing and we shot it on the table with the fight sequences with the with the with the the way we shot it everything that we did it may not look like it today but in those days Tim Burton was going to use a six inch knife I said no and we got the blade and we got the guys and they did this thing
so Michael Keaton was a great [ __ ] genius he was a great father the best because he's the best actor in the world he's one of the top five actress who's ever lived he's looked at his career look what he does look what he did on stair on on Queen loose or whatever it is on Vicodin or whatever it is that three hour piece is you know and I'm sure he's in the program I would have guessed a guest I know he did because I hired him out of a movie called clean and sober and I saw in his eyes he could fight because as a kid I got in so many fights but I would read your eyes before I'd even make a move if I saw something I didn't like I'd probably figure a way to get out of it you know and that's how I went from Hollywood to the chairman of Sony to biotech companies to this to that to the UFC maybe it would have been great um because I have good instincts and I have I I kind of have like ordinary taste let's say did people resist they resisted Michael Keaton as Batman and nobody wanted me yeah they didn't like that idea because he was a stand-up comic yeah they wanted a six foot three guy to come in with the big muscles I said no look in his eyes he's a killer he'll stab you five times in the net before you even know what happened is he your favorite Batman yeah Christian Bale is a pretty [ __ ] good Batman too bro he was really [ __ ] yeah those two those two guys that that guy is willing to do things that most people are not willing to do like he's willing to get fat he's willing to like almost die of starvation that's how they have a career yeah it's just like if you watch that machinist which is not the best movie but what's interesting about the movie is just Christian Bale the fact that he's basically a skeleton yeah he ate like a can of tuna and an apple a day crazy it's a crazy and then like six months later he was Batman yeah I know jacked I know you have to be crazy you have to be crazy as my good friend and he's crazy as a loon but it has to be it but and a brilliant guy and thank God he kind of retired like 10 years ago watch Chinatown yeah I watch time I do I love [ __ ] amazing I know like that guy of
course he's crazy how else could he be that you can't I'm standing on a corner Los Angeles Santa Monica and with my wife at the time Leslie on Warren she's pregnant with my son this goes back 50 years ago maybe whatever it was Four Guys spoke by in the car and they go Cinderella sucks and they flip it off now I'm from the valley so I said just wait she played Cinderella on television that was her thing so I said wait here I jumped in my car and I chased these guys down the street I caught him at a signal I came up next I was about to hit him he said no no I'm in her acting class man we're all actors that was a joke whatever it is many years later I do uh Witches of Eastwick and we're going to meet Jack Nicholson and as I walk in he looks at me says Hey Cinderella sucks that was him it was him yes that's hilarious yes holy [ __ ] yes yes yes yes oh my God that's hilarious yeah no I've got you almost beat up Jack Nicholson yeah no but I mean it was that's hilarious that it's him all those years later yeah I was defending what I thought was mine that's my pregnant lady how [ __ ] good is he in The Shining yeah no he's not I watched that again recently too God he's a he's a he's a genius yeah there's a few of those guys that like they have you ever seen the video I'm sure you have there's a video of him warming up for his scene where he uh goes through the bathroom door with the hatchet yeah I saw it yeah and he's just like jumping around the room again he never knew how to fight but he's a tough guy yeah well he'll fight if he has to he was an extraordinary big strong leg Talent yeah there's there's people that just like Captivate a story and so like when you were when you're like casting when you're like putting together a film yeah and you got a big film that's very important to you how do you know who the right guy is like do you just go on Instagram how do you know who's the good Fighters are they speak to you hmm they speak to me in other words I knew that that Brad and Angelina together and the right thing would be amazing right and it's a love
story fell apart so I'm going to get Brad again and I'm going to try to get Margot Robbie or somebody like that but if somebody if I get it for a guy I want to work with him if a girl gives it to me I want to work with her they speak to me they speak to you yeah it's just about how you communicate yeah yeah and when their energies that's what they've done for them right Victor Belford when I saw her the first time roll with a couple of like three guys in a row and when Catherine Zeta Jones went oh amazing his balls were hanging you know they were those little tight things he's ripped like [ __ ] I come in like you know I'm doing my subs and stuff you know so um no it's just like I have a gift of of instinct you know I mean look I've been following you from the beginning man of all the people in the whole world whether it matters you're the only one that I wanted to talk to because I figured you're the only one we get what I am I couldn't talk fights with anybody and I really love it more than anything well I appreciate that very much and it's an honor it's an honor to have you on really is yeah so man so I'd love to come back another time sometime maybe you can stay on now oh good okay great great keep going man great great so listen so I'm going to tell you something that's not supposed to be I shouldn't say this don't don't get yourself in trouble okay I think you already got into a little trouble I did already I love that I love that you're you though you know what I'm saying but I love that that's the hardest thing that people have I don't know how to be any Theos so many people that get stuck at a job yesterday what yeah and I found out at three o'clock in the afternoon and it really shook me up because she has five kids she was 58. she had been having a hard time but she just had a falling thing and a blood clot and this that in her house so you know I didn't want to cancel this because this is more important to me I'll be there tomorrow I'll take help take care of the business because she has a husband she has a husband but these things happen and I told you when that happened with my dad it it hardened me
it hardened me and not until I met Julia did she really open my heart and then came craziness drugs because my heart was open I was feeling good and bad things once you open that door man a lot of [ __ ] comes out and that door can be opened by your children by your wife or whoever yeah but not everything comes out good so you realized before that that you were kind of protecting who you were totally I was numb I was dating 20 women at a time my plane pick them up in Paris and bring them here and do and jacuzzi and this and covers the magazines so you were distracting yourself totally totally yeah until I met this woman therapist uh Dr beta and I just sat on our couch and we both cried she held me for an hour and we I began to unravel the Mist the mystery have you done much psychedelic drugs uh early on early on yeah psilocybin how long early on not like today probably 30 years ago how come you haven't done it more recently because anxiety scares me and I'm afraid if I lose control of what's going to happen huh you know the way to get over that is to do it slowly like uh micro dose that's what my girl wants to do that's micro dose I think it would be good for everybody it's you know it's really good for soldiers for soldiers who come back with PTSD yeah that's me yeah I'm a soldier and I came back from which it did yeah early beginning my stepfather beat my mother up every night one day I got a two by four and broke both of his legs that's how I got the juvie that's uh 100 the same thing yeah I used to watch it for a year blood yeah yeah that's real people yeah and you would drink you know and that and that affects kids yeah sometimes in a way that they don't even realize when I would fight Joe I didn't feel the punches ever I went right through everybody I never lost a fight and I was a gymnast on though you never lost a fight never now in a lot of reasons I wasn't a professional fighter and I could choose where I got it it was the only reason he just made good choices I made good choices yeah yeah I made good choices absolutely could I have lost a lot of them yes I started training this fella
took a liking to me years ago his name was Art Aragon and he's a Spanish name yeah he's a Spanish fighter and who he had razor blades for hands and he early on taught me how to box and so I had a mixture of lots of things and Bob Otto we were going to talk about my grandfather who worked for the May Company was a big department store the Italian side Pagano he ran the alterations department and he had a lot of people working for him and so in the valley he had a couple acres and he had a house and one of the houses Garden really lives on his garden was Bob Otto the early teachers of the Gracie's dad and he started his first thing he never did was choke me out with my phone jacket what was Bob Otto's style uh Jude I don't know jiu jitsu So when you say early teacher of the grace well he in other words he trained with them he they when I met them and I brought it up they acknowledged him and his dad had known him on what degree oh so they trained together or their reputation me because Otto was she had the two schools 500 kids I mean had a big operation right so I I learned early because I the way I was going to Van Nuys and Van Nuys Junior High School in those days uh was all Hispanic a lot of fighting hmm you know who's a super legit martial artist and an actor is Chuck Norris I trained with him for four years did you really yeah I'm very terrible Lord no kidding with my son yeah what years were this I don't know a long time ago wow yeah yeah Chuck Norris was uh those kids karate champion yep incredible kicks yeah and then recognized that he needed to learn Jiu Jitsu who went to the machados and got his black belt in Jiu Jitsu yeah he's legit 100 above board he brought in the machados to all of his Chuck Norris academies they all taught them they were they were all like humbled they like realized like oh my God I'm so vulnerable yeah all these guys back in that day yeah like in the Gracie in action series yes all these guys who thought they were killers they were so vulnerable they had no idea I understand I was there it was amazing watching those guys do four or five fights tonight yeah incredible that crazy man came in with the cross chemo
and yeah ponytail yeah hoist is grabbing them by the ponytail punching them in the face I know I loved it yeah it was incredible I caught him in an arm bar it was uh that was like a four we we talked about it the other day it was like a four minute something fight how about that that Oriental guy and and the fireman holding each other bang bang bang bang bang bang oh yeah takayama and Don fry if he could move he was one of the toughest men that's ever lived wow that guy was a [ __ ] mom amazing man he's uh all banged up now because of all his surgeries and yeah he did some pro wrestling too which is not so good on the back either you know Don Frye was a beast yeah I've had a lot of my back it's been a problem too yeah everybody's a trans yeah well you can't well you'll see I'm old yeah you're in 55 yeah you're a baby I'm a baby oh nice I'm 22 years old yeah you're a baby you're a teenager man you're like a teenager look at your life like a little kid yeah and you made your life work very childlike in that regard no inspirational oh thank you because it's exploring the things that you really dig and like and it's inspirational a lot of cool people in here I love everybody well I'm very fortunate I'm very fortunate that I could have conversations like this we think it's fun it means a lot to me it's a cool thing man it's a cool thing to be able to do and I'm glad you chose this thank you so much I said the day and I said he's the only one who'll get me otherwise there's no point what's the point yeah well when Dana contacted me he's like I hate [ __ ] doing this yeah I mean he always because he doesn't do it I know I know I know I know with you I went yeah [ __ ] you let's go let's tell you a story that he won't tell you oh tell me the whole world if Dana won't tell me yeah don't tell the whole world oh yeah I'll tell the world okay so he I called him up and I said look Dana I said uh I got an idea let me do a little special on the fighting girls of the UFC he said done so I said okay so I put together a team I started putting this thing together I had these amazing girls hosting it it was incredible he calls me back almost when it's done actually was almost done
we were just on editing he said uh can't do it they don't want any outside producers and I'd already spent 60 Grand so I went that's cool man I love you I said I don't want to cause a riff he said you know you said yes right away because you love me not thinking that the new company has rules and uh I'm a kind of an outlaw in Hollywood so I get it and that was that and he was immense to when I called him I said look I need a favor I really want to do this before I die I said it's important to me to speak and then take a look at it and see what I look like because I don't know really and he said I'll talk to him that was it well I love Danny to death so anytime Dana has something like that I'm down for it yeah that was really sweet he's the best yeah I love that guy yeah I I do too you know what I say in every way in I said Dana White when I want to introduce everybody I say Dana White without him none of this would be positive none of it none of it yeah he's uh you got to realize like the success that it has now a lot of it is that guy's driving heartbeat he's a [ __ ] Maniac heartbeat his heartbeat he lives for your heartbeat he lives the wrestler guy I love him the heartbeat Dana and I I'll call him sometimes like midnight and we'll talk on the phone for like two hours yeah just talk about fights yeah just talk about fights yeah I can do that too not as good as you guys but you see I do know a little bit you know yeah well we've seen them all yeah I know I know so I'm close I know I know I probably seen like a thousand fights plus up close yeah yeah no at least yeah you know um the fella the Brazilian kid that is so damn good looking everybody said he do not talk yeah he looked like he was doing fine he didn't use all of the body shots he could have been well Luke rockhold is a bad [ __ ] that's what I mean that's what it is it was a tough fight it's a tough fight if Luke Rocco was in his prime would be a way tougher fight if you fought if he fought the Luke rockhold to beat Chris Weidman is one of the greatest middleweights that's ever lived he was a [ __ ] machine yeah but the reality of that kind of level of competition is you can only maintain it for so long yeah
like every human body has an expiration date you know where you start getting too injured and too [ __ ] up and and Luke isn't dealing with a lot of that himself he's just not totally healthy he's got he's banged up so all these guys when they get to that point there's like this point where they're like or they're just firing on all cylinders and that only lasts for like a few years yeah I know I lived it yeah I'm sure he did slightly differently but yeah no but I've lived it three or four times yeah how so well first time was in the fashion business that's not the same as fighting well no career career career yes career career career career but I'm saying like with a with a fighter they came but it is the same of fighting it's about fighting 500 people to get it done see okay it's it it it is the same because I've used that analogy throughout my career knowing that I could kick the ass of anybody I was doing business with it had gave me an edge in the meeting in my mind in your mind yeah right so now putting it all together doing it together sacrificing doing it getting it out having a movie be a hit it's hard I'm sure it's hard it's not like fighting I think about the reason why it's not like fighting is because the Fighter's body stops work yes and their mind wants to continue yeah their body just can't do it anymore in a funny way it happens in my business too it happens I think it parallels in all forms if you're in the upper one tenth of one percent you do have a time when it's all over I think that's with everything in life it is I think that is I think that's and I think that's the cycle that's supposed to take place and then new people come up it is it does it beautiful it's beautiful and you know in a a good culture the new people salute the people that were there before them 100 yeah and it's it's uh yes I agree it's mutually beneficial and it's also beautiful it's beautiful to see the art form carry on whatever you're doing when I saw Top Gun I called uh front camera and he wherever he was he called me back because I worked with him on flash Nets down I hired him as my line producer God damn you did so many good movies thank you pull up his IMDb it's crazy it's wild to see yeah just I mean just producing how many how many did you produce
as far as producing Executives because in our case executive proves the same thing because right we own it right right we put everybody it's like Joe like Dana what's the overall number though oh I don't know with everything uh 80 90 something like that and so many [ __ ] hits yeah yeah well so many hits you know America well of London Caddyshack the main event Eyes of Laura Mars that's a [ __ ] classic I haven't thought about that movie in a long time Vision Quest the greatest wrestling movie of all time what was the Legend of Billie Jean it was a story about a young girl who took charge of her life because she was her mother was being raped by her father and she went after these guys and she was a first female vigilante put out click on that I know I saw that I know I saw that but that was from 85 oh yeah yeah I remember this I loved her man she was a wonderful lady I remember this movie yeah all right go back to IMDb female vigilante you weren't Gambler with Madonna The Color Purple wow yeah Clan of the Cave Bear that was um yeah that girl is gorgeous I forgot her name goddamn yeah yeah yeah there she is Daryl Hannah Daryl Hannah I have a Daryl Hannah story yeah when I first moved to Hollywood it's like 1994. I was at Canter's Deli and I was sitting table side to Daryl Hannah and a couple of her friends and I couldn't [ __ ] believe that it was dead first of all she's so beautiful no makeup just sitting there chilling right and looks so normal just hanging I'm like that's Daryl [ __ ] Hannah and she's just sitting next to me at canters yeah and they were uh they were real friendly everybody was real friendly hey what's up how you doing you know she recognized that everybody was going to know who she was but she was like so casual yeah and they were playing some sort of a game some sort of a trivia game and uh she looked to me and I had the answer just luckily it was like some State you know something I go it's like Kentucky and and and it was whatever it was I don't remember what the answer was but like I was and that was it that was all of our interaction but I was like she's so nice like so normal she is she's a person she is even though she's Daryl [ __ ] Hannah she's one of the
first people that I'd ever like sat next to yeah that was that famous so it was a little like weirded out yeah see I grew up with that because my uncles the paganas the Italian twins they did Marilyn Monroe they did all the movie stars so when I was a little kid I was in their beauty shop wow and I got this was the first time you saw like a movie star how old oh three so it wasn't even weird to you no and then I did it their hair see I tried you're you know on the magazine thing clients come they tell their friends I was doing 30 40 people a day so how did you go from was it Barbra Streisand's hand you went from here it was basically Barbara yeah I met her I put the word out that I wanted to meet her and I'd go anywhere Anytime Anyplace for free and I knew the free would get her and are you a hustler yeah baby I am a [ __ ] every sense of the goddamn word crazy question what a crazy question to ask someone such a strange question I don't know it was Dana White Hustler are you a hospital okay so you hustle right yeah even when your leg hurts Joshua me too the only difference is that I had to deal with overwhelming anxiety which I have now pretty much got under control what start well that's another thing just just going into the fight because everything was like a fight to me right so you were constantly yeah so when I was a kid and we were Van Nuys junior high school and one of the Chicanos tell me off we'd I'd meet them in the back of the gym 500 kids would show up and we'd go at it I'd take them out I'd wrestle them down boom it was it really and it happened 30 times people would challenge me the kids would come and I always had a sense of dramatic you know one time I knew I couldn't beat this kid there was the bleachers he was standing there I went up on the beat bleachers and I did a Superman punch I dove off the beaches and hit him like that and knocked them out you know really I went this way that way and he went out yeah I didn't know it was a Superman punch I used the bleachers as a as a launching pad for my punch that's a creative maneuver yeah I'm a creative guy I get it I never gotten any street fights like that yeah I avoided them all one time
yeah I was smart but yeah my dad died I get it I didn't feel the punches I didn't feel nothing yeah well I got shot right now I chest I didn't feel it you got shot in your chest yeah what caliber 22. oh so it stayed why did somebody shoot you yeah it was a gang fighting guy brought a couple of guns and this guy shot the gun and it will hit me in the chest and then like many years later when I married Leslie and Warren who was a big Broadway star we went to the doctor and the guy took me in the room he said that's what he said you know you got a bullet in your chest I said don't tell anybody he was in the fatty part of the thing and it's still there right now you still have a bullet right now so you go through an x-ray it just shows up yes is that good to have lead in your body the whole time they doctors have said it's okay it's in like a fatty part of my body yeah but isn't lead toxic probably it probably should come out but do I want to be cut no yeah you know when you get my age yeah I know what you're saying yeah I'm done how far in it how far did it go in oh it's only like an inch in yeah in this part I might take it out myself okay you got an operating room behind this thing that's good smoke another joint and that will be a surgeon because this little Benchmade pocket knife we're good to go I'll take that [ __ ] out for you yeah it's um I don't think it's good to have lead in your body no probably not but you know you get to a point like me where every day that's a good day I every day I'm I'm grateful I hear you and I have to work on it yeah and I can't be around negativity well that's a good rule for everybody in life when my you're my age you can be when you're old when younger it's not so easy but for me I don't do it yeah it's not necessary i t all my people go to therapy all my people talk about their feelings whoa everybody I have works on themselves otherwise they can't be there because I I'm I'm a somebody called me a shaman my once but I see things in people and if it's not good and I can't help makes me anxious well you kind of are a shaman if you're leading people in a spiritual Direction and I try to get as many the problem with the word Shaman is it comes with yes
I try to help right with money with spirituality I spend a lot of my day helping people you know well that's beautiful that feels good doesn't it or the best yeah it's nice Tyson is maybe one of the consistently smartest guy I've listened to with all the guys on the thing he's not articulate he's from prison schmummers but sometimes he'll say some beautiful things man he's a thoughtful person he's very and he knows a lot about history and pain yeah he knows a lot about pain for sure I saw the whole thing on the kings and queens and all that [ __ ] but yeah but more so he's developing his emotional intelligence that's what gives you a happy life you know I got to see uh two sides of Tyson because I got to see Mike when he was not fighting at all and he was just running that weed company and he came in we had the greatest time we just got high as [ __ ] and laughed and joked around it was so much fun and he said he doesn't even work out and I said how come he goes I don't want to reignite my ego that's how I felt I was afraid to get back in the gym starting this thing and then I'm tough on people I lose my temper I get edgy what the [ __ ] come on man yes when he said that I went oh I feel the same way he said something when he was leading up to that fight with Roy Jones Jr the the gods of War have reignited his ego yes I'm sure if he can find him he's going to walk through him yeah well in his prime man he was like no one ever before who Mike Tyson yes in his prime he was like no one ever but he still hits them oh my God he doesn't see how he twerks his body oh my God he was training with Rafael Cordero who's one of the original shoot-to-box instructors from the old like like the legendary gym in Brazil so Rafael Cordero came over now he's running King's MMA and Tyson went to him to train wow so Tyson was holding it was it was hitting mitts with Rafael Cordero well you know [ __ ] phenomenal watching him rip off combinations 55 years old yeah like Jesus amazing oh my god well still you have the same body so do I well I [ __ ] definitely don't no no in the sense of Compact and strong not long and relatively handling you know I mean I prefer short and thick but
what he is is uh he's uh like he was a phenomenal combination of like a kid who came from a horrible background to getting adopted by this guy was a genius boxing instructor and having incredible work ethic and having incredible genetics and having incredible drive you know he was 190 pounds when he was 13 years old yeah amazing built like a [ __ ] tank and the the Teddy Atlas used to bring him to these smokers and he said uh he's 13 like get the [ __ ] out of here he's 16 like okay 16. so he did fight he'd have to fight 16 year olds because nobody believed he was 13. you know the thing about Mike is that what beat everybody was his brain Mike was very smart oh he's very intense yeah but he's smart he knows what to take from Gus yes he knew how to be open to it he saw the guests would yeah he's smart well cuss was a hypnotist that's the other thing he hypnotized Mike when he was very very young yeah and he trained him to think of nothing but the task like you don't even exist it's just the task the task exists don't think about yourself I know that's how I am he was [ __ ] phenomenal you have to be that way my partner Peter goober God love of Soul yes he's like that too everywhere we go we'd fly around he'd have 40 pages of notes and I had no notes because I remember everything don't you think that like for anything you want to do in life like if you really want to be at the top of your craft you kind of have to be obsessed like that yes you have to be you have to be driven you have to want to be better you have to you have to almost feel like you're going to die if you aren't that's where it mirrors itself in like everything in life no matter what you're doing if there's a thing that you find that you're obsessed with wonder what that thing is whether it's painting but making music whatever that thing is if you find that thing that you are obsessed with that is the thing that's going to bring you the most Joy but you gotta you gotta like give it everything you have 100 yeah that's what I did as a hairdresser when I was a hairdresser that was my thing man I'd go to Paris the collections the girls I was like oh my God I'm in heaven but I was I love doing hair how did you get into hairdressing when I got out of juvie uh my mother uh the judge said you have to
put him somewhere so she put me in Beauty School and I had shot Five Guys and and he shot Five Guys yeah yeah how'd you shoot yeah um it was an accident I never said this before five people by accident yeah no it was a gang fight it was a fight in this in San Fernando and it was like 30 guys and uh um has a statute of limitations passed on this or should we edit this out yes yes and and and and it was uh somebody else's everybody in wood shop was making a weapon I remember that from high school yeah I used to make nunchucks and yeah they were tables yes yes exactly yeah yeah that's what happened and these this guy came with these guns and these guys was when I bang bang and then this guy it was it was it and then I was like oh my God what the [ __ ] that was the changing of my life that and when I was in juvie a guy that I met from Boys Town which was a in the middle of the country a place where a lot of [ __ ] up kids would go he came from Boys Town he ran away he went to juvie and they they weren't supposed to they weren't supposed to have things and they covered it up but he tried to get away and they shot him on the fence right in front of me and 30 other guys and uh and uh he was uh [ __ ] you he was I said man you're gonna get killed you got to shut your [ __ ] mouth you gotta take it cool if you're gonna get out of here you got to work you out there's no escaping us strong the blonde haired guy Farmer Boy years ago and then I'm getting tired I got to go but um uh years ago when I was with Leslie on Warren I was at a beauty shop and it was on the corner of rodeo and Brighton way it was called the John Peter Salon uh uh um OJ would come hunt the girls everybody's hunt the girls because I'd have like 40 or 50 beautiful girls getting their hair done all day long this guy comes in my mother happened to be working at the desk and he comes in big overalls big tall guy and he um says I'm here to see uh Cinderella you know Leslie unworn and I I came outside my husband and he was like a fan of Mission Impossible whatever it was I don't remember with the time next thing
I know we went home that night and he had been there in the colony he had come to the Colony so I sent out a bunch of my guys because a lot of the hairdressers I had were guys like you there were tough kids that were smart and they were and they and they needed a chance they went to beauty school they got out and they women were lined up around the block sounds like a movie it is my life is like a crazy that does sound like a movie a bunch of tough guy hairdressers yes out there protecting you right out in front with all the motorcycles all lined up wow so tough guy hairdressers on motorcycles yes that's a movie and the the when the thing was over the LA Times said they don't make hairdressers like they used to because the guy Kate was coming into the house he had a little pistol in his hand like this he was walking in I had a mezzanine I looked at him I was naked I jumped on them as any Optimist and he jumped on him he went through he jumped on him with his pistol oh yeah I dove right I didn't see it until I was in the air oh Jesus and he was like this and it was dark and it was he was backlit and you're naked and I was naked yeah I was just I woke up I could hear him walking around I wasn't thinking I just moved that's a surprise naked dude jumps on you from a mezzanine and he hadn't ended up with 160 stitches because he came to Robbie came to kidnap her Jesus Christ so we fought out into the into the colony naked me naked and him in the former outfit yeah good thing I didn't go to Heartland right now oh my God good thing you'd have questions yeah it's a true story I believe it you look it up in the LA Times that's a wild story man how have you had so many stories well because I grew up John Wayne Elvis you know I I'm a living superhero even though I don't ever do anything but in my mind I am right right because those narratives are like stuck in your head that's why I like Victor that's why I like when I saw Jon Jones I would like oh [ __ ] oh I love him man yeah I love him yeah he loved conquerors yeah yeah and and and and and the wrestler guy didn't like at the beginning now I'm madly in love with him which guy you know that beat everybody but kind of chubby um your your commentator fella you know
oh oh DC yeah Daniel Cormier amazing yeah I love him I love him he didn't like him at first but didn't like him he didn't fit my uh the view of what I thought he was supposed to look like you know what I mean and uh but I did like him but not as much as John just his physique uh yeah really yeah and just that he was more of a he would more of yes it's just me what I like Jon Jones he was my see the one of the greatest of all time is Fedor milanenko and Fedor had the most unimposing physique I mean he looked strong but he like had like a Russian the Russian he had like a little bit of a belly yeah and he was always like calm and relaxed yeah and he would [ __ ] everyone uh yeah well he would [ __ ] everyone up in his prime I always had good hands yeah big strong hands yeah and you know almost 80. so they they shrunk you know but but yeah I knocked a lot of people out yeah when you look like Daniel Cormier like he reminded me in a lot of ways of like fadors totally like absolutely they don't have low body fat but don't get twisted yeah well phenomenal athlete yeah I know both of them DC and and Fedor Fedor was a phenomenal athlete he was so good you never saw him fight I did of course yeah okay many times we that was one of the biggest regret that's why they never got him to the UFC one of the great fights that I saw was the black kelderman whatever the black guy with blonde hair and that crazy guy from Europe um Kevin Randleman and Marco crocop no the other one Kevin Randleman and the guy my son said he was in a bar one saw him knock out about 10 guys um [Music] was that guy tough from Holland oh my god boss was a machine I saw him fight he was a first like intelligent aggressive attacker that was like a high level Striker and built to fight oh my God you know he fought teosho kosaka and uh his neck was so [ __ ] up that he couldn't even wrestle he couldn't do any wrestling for that fight like he he had like some serious disc problems in his neck and he wound up actually getting his neck fused like later on in his life but he like even when he was competing at the highest level his neck was already [ __ ] up he was a [ __ ] monster yeah his prime boss rooting was
a [ __ ] monster my son was training with him and he was one of the only guys that won off of his back when he beat random man he was just smashing him off of his back I saw him he was very effective bang bang it was very effective you can't just assume that just because you're on top you're getting [ __ ] up while you're on top you're losing the fight I believe it's also called the guard isn't it yep yeah and brandelman um was an elite wrestler but boss Rudin had like a very effective way of attacking off his back it was so powerful he did yeah yeah he was a he was a machine yeah it really was you know if you see like an alligator go after his prey they go like that they don't go like that right back yeah moving around a lot okay man Peters you're the [ __ ] man yeah they love this [ __ ] appreciate you very much I got some great stories one day I'll tell you again tell me more let's keep going no no I can't do it anymore I'm like I'm tired already you wore me out can you see it I'm vibrating you're great you look great man look great thank you the guy that I watched the other day because I studied all your tapes for the last week and I've seen you studied by every single tape you did almost oh boy and all your clients and people and stuff yes I wanted to learn I wanted to learn and what I learned was all I can be as honest and whatever that is it is and uh so um what was I going to say I can't remember exactly but you were yourself that's that's the yeah that's the goal that's it and this is uh you know I relate to these kids I love these kids I'm gonna I've been fortunate enough to make a ton of money and I I buy and sell companies for hundreds of millions of dollars and I've been like I said lucky and I'm gonna really start to now put some money to work in a way that's going to help a lot of people beautiful because I love there's nothing Tyson he said everything I like winning man but I love giving because he's a sense of Soul yes if you think he's anything but frightened to death about this fight you're wrong he's not excited about it he's frightened the [ __ ] death of it
and in that and as he gets better he's building his confidence little by little but he won't really feel good until he absolutely explodes on that guy hmm that'll be the climax of his thing and the real question is is will he be able to wait them out because that guy's going to be dancing and doing it and dancing and doing and Tyson's gonna have a hard time navigating that he'll have to cut off the ring and it's not going to be an easy fight because otherwise if they fought fought my God I'm frightened for the other guy Tyson would break them into my house what fight are you talking about Tyson and a fight maybe it already happened I don't know the boxer Roy Jones Jr yeah oh yeah that already happened oh it did yeah it happened like a year ago oh how what happened um it looked like if I'm being honest it looked like they really like each other and they were trying not to knock each other out but they put on a boxing exhibition that's what it looked like yeah that's what it looked like like there wasn't a lot of head shots you know they moved around a lot and Mike Tyson hit him with some ferocious body punches and Roy Jones Jr is tough as [ __ ] he is those are hard shots those are hard shots and uh you know Roy he's had knee problems so it was hard for him to train properly like you see him running it's kind of painful to watch him run me too and Roy's knees and his footwork and his movement was a giant part of his success early in his career I mean he was so free I didn't see the date on the tape sorry oh my God if you watch the Roy Jones joint you saw Roy Jones Jr in his prime every fight yeah he was phenomenal but that sort of style relies so much on speed and movement and I was I introduced Sugar Ray to UFC because he said spar with me and I kicked him into Sugar Ray Leonard yeah really yeah I kicked him in the knees what the [ __ ] I said it's called m a i want you to take a look sorry no it was called that you think that's it Ultimate Fighting Championships remember yeah with the orange thing oh yeah yeah I had all those shirts and all that stuff you know I went around everywhere my arms were big you know you were doing leg kicks oh I've been doing
leg kisses of a little kid wow but I would do leg kits that's what I want to tell you about Don Simpson's story is that we had an argument and I chose him off meet me in the Beverly Hills Park first thing I did is put on my big boots because I was going to come up and kick the [ __ ] out of them before I even put my hands on he didn't show up he was afraid but I was serious because he was taking Snaps at me and I said why don't we just fight and then it'll be done he didn't want to so you how did you know Sugar Ray through uh uh I'll throw everybody I knew and the sky this guy Jeff wall just passed away I've been kind of looking after his daughter he was a great guy he managed all these guys and uh I got friendly with everybody and you would spar with him you spared the sugar oh yeah but not sparse just play Place bar Place bar yes yeah because like that was back when Sugar Ray was still Sugar Ray it was he was not fighting then but how old was he well I don't know but he was I I met him socially so we didn't really do the sparring we did was in the living room of somebody else he wasn't in the gym yeah it was [ __ ] around Sugar Ray still works out all the time yeah she's posting stuff on his Instagram yeah it's nice it's nice to say he's got a great wife and he's got he's a guy of everybody for the most part that has really done it all got a great family got a great wife I think he looks like he's made some money he was an amazing Champion he's had a great life oh he was the elite of the elite when he was in his prime I flew in from Paris to see him fight Hearns did you really yeah wow so the first fight [ __ ] hey man wow wow I was in Paris with Michael Jackson when he did his first thing when he did Thriller and all those things and there was riots in the streets he was when he started doing his [ __ ] man Michael and you were it was amazing wow John Peter's you've had a hell of a life yeah man thank you so have you and I'm from I really I'd love to come back at some point yeah because then I can think about what I didn't do yeah yeah yeah tell me some other stories [ __ ] yeah come back man thank you brother appreciate you very much all right bye everybody [Music]