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[Music] and we're up remy warren how are you brother yeah pretty good man what's going on so we were talking uh last night we were hanging out about your hand so tell me what's going on with that yeah i just actually had a wrist surgery and um just doing something stupid i don't even know if i want to tell the story how i did it is so dumb but uh i tore the like i guess tendons in there and stuff that kind of controls all that so they went in took something you're gonna have to tell everybody now yeah i know well okay this is this is this is the truth well i don't even actually 100 know um but it was like you know when you just i don't know you get an injury and you think like you don't even think about it you just keep doing your [ __ ] right and um it was like last september i was uh i shot a pretty good bull elk in new mexico and i'm like skinning it out and i couldn't use my hand very well so i like tape the knife in my hand and do the whole thing and the guys that are with me are looking at me like that's not right man you should probably get that checked out and i was thinking i was like yeah i probably should so i went to the doctor and i was just thinking like they're going to say us you know nothing and they're like this is a major injury like how how long has it been like it's like three months or so and they're like oh yeah this is how'd you do it i was like i don't know they said it was consistent with like a fall from maybe 10 feet straight onto your wrist and i couldn't think of i was like i i would remember that they're like you would remember it and i started thinking back like the following january i was duck hunting and these these mallards are coming in and like pretty high up so i shoot one and it is probably like i don't know 30 feet up flying 30 miles an hour and it's coming right out i mean i think oh i'll reach up and try to catch it out of the air so it doesn't hit me in the face and bend my hand back and i think that that's what tore it and then just never i just taped the fingers up and never like healed right and then a combination of that when i was in and then i was in bc this last year
like hiking across a mountain had the trekking pole and my wrist just gave out and slammed into the hill and that was kind of i think the last straw finally probably tore everything oh so you probably had it hurt from the mallard and then and then you know a combination like falling like and then just overuse and then gave it the rest and so they just went in opened it up on both sides took that drilled holes through everything and then screwed it to my bone in my arm i guess so do they use other tendons do they yeah they there's like these two cuts here i don't know you know one of the things i didn't want to do is research it too much because i was like yeah like i don't really want to know what's going on it it's like sometimes the oblivious thing is a little bit better but they took them out of my forearm here and then used those they drilled there's like a bunch of little bones in here so there's like the it's like an sl reconstruction kind of thing so there's a bunch of little bones in there and they just open it up on both sides essentially drilled through so there's holes all the way through then they took those tendons wrapped it around and then screwed it to my forearm but i guess when they were screwing it in they broke a drill bit and then they had to um and then they tried to get it out with another drill bit and then broke that and then they used the chuck key to take and a hammer to get it all out so they wouldn't leave it in there so it's like i think surgery any kind of surgery i think is pretty crazy to me it's like pretty barbaric in some ways is that the first major surgery we've ever had yeah so you're two weeks out is that what you said from getting the cast removed yeah from getting in the castle and you are you just getting range of motion back yeah it's it's a little bit like it looks crazy yeah it's weird it's i mean i've been working on it i kind of sit here i'm actually kind of used to just like put pushing on it trying to move it a little bit all day do you have uh
straps so that you can work out with your arm so yeah lose your arm yeah i've been starting to do that yeah for sure you ever seen those hooks yeah those are great yeah a lot of guys like with hand injuries they use those so you can you can keep working out with your arm and you don't put the the pressure on your hand yeah that's what i i like right after i got it off i went to home depot and just made a bunch of stuff but yeah you like it with anything i mean this is obviously not uh permanent but like right now well you know i i shoot my boat all the time and when you when you're used to like getting up and shooting your bow every day and you can't shoot your bow yeah you start to it just feels weird so i got uh i just started shooting like a mouth tab so you just draw it back with your teeth yeah dudley did that john dudley uh had shoulder surgery back in the day and he switched over to the other arm because he had shoulder surgery on his left oh okay so he switched over to holding the bow with his right and pulling it with his mouth tab that would i think that would be more weird it's a lot of weirdness yeah yeah you're switching your your hand and yeah he limited himself i think to like 30 yards or something like that he didn't feel confident over 30 yards yeah it's like traditional bow hunting at that point he's got videos of him shooting animals i think he shot a grizzly with a mouth tab huh because i was i was doing a little bit of research a lot of his videos popped up yeah you know i'm gonna have to look at that oh mouth tab research yeah well he'll be here in a couple hours yeah you'll be able to talk to him i think he did a little bit i was using like i'm using like a leather piece a friend of mine uh who shoots mouth tab um he got to be said yeah there's oh yeah there's john yeah yeah it's it's a weird oh he's got like a dog collar kind of style yeah it's pretty interesting i was thinking though for some things like if i'm like self-filming or solo hunting
i've got a free hand when the you know when your peep turns mm-hmm noticing that when you got your mouth up i can actually reach over and just adjust this that's nice it's really nice your peep that's annoying it is the peep things i know i don't know why they haven't worked that out yet no yeah there's there used to be like uh when you first started shooting a bow there was a a rubber band that would go from the peep and stick on your riser and pull it straight every time yeah it's kind of annoying but it would keep it keep it straight somebody develops something that adjusts your peep sight i think it's one of the beaumars i think they had some sort of a thing that they he's got beaumar's got josh palmer's got a few things that he's invented that are interesting like this little nose thing that touches your nose yeah a lot of cam likes that who's using that dudley hates it yeah yeah i i don't know i i i guess i i think you get used to something yeah exactly you get used to your nose touching this you get used to whatever it is and then you just go with it it is funny though if you take time off of archery you do feel like man there's something missing in my life oh yeah archery is meditation it is yeah when you when you do it your entire life too it's just like this weird thing of actually i'd have like the cast on and you get into a routine of doing something anything and when i'm home that's what i do i shoot my bow and i shoot it multiple times a day so it's like every time i do i've got like a target right out my back door so when i'm at home like okay breakfast i shoot my bow and then i've got to range a little further away so you just like i would go and grab the bow and i'd look at my hand oh [ __ ] i completely forgot i've got this is going to be difficult so well you i'm sure you've seen that one guy who shoots his bow with his feet yeah that's incredible isn't that wild i'm not sure how he releases he's not using a mouth tab right he's got some sort of a hinge style set up yeah he's got i'm not sure see if you can find that guy i don't
john coached him as well dudley coach him as well yeah he's um i mean that guy's incredible like watching him do that with his feet like wow oh yeah oh he's yeah he's got a release on his shoulder so it's i think it's some thing he does where he like twists his head a little bit to release or maybe it's just it might just be tension based yep you know that's cool yeah i don't know how he's doing it but it's pretty amazing it's really yeah it's really incredible wild [ __ ] man people find a way you know if you only have your your legs to use it's incredible the kind of dexterity that people can develop in their legs so wild like look at him push back with his the bow in between his big toe and his second toe that's crazy even just the hamstring flexibility i don't think i could ever do that and strength to hold your leg out there in that horizontal position like that yeah so it looks like he's like almost kind of got a back tension style release where he's pulling back and then it hits his chin kind of and yeah yeah it seems like he's got like one of those silverback type deals yeah something along those lines people find a way they do yeah so your situation um do they think that you'll fully recover with your hand like this i don't know i probably won't ever get the same full range of motion but but you'll have strength yeah i'll get strength back should be pretty good that's good you're already moving your hand but like my friend tom segura had a pretty bad uh hand and arm injury and his hand is not that was over a year ago and he's not fully recovered yeah i i don't know i mean your hand looks pretty i just got to keep this my thing is like just keep moving it yeah that motion back because it's weird yeah that's got to be odd it is yeah it's weird and like you know no feeling and part of it so just it's like that weird grip thing you don't really hurt my wrists boxing when i was like 22 and then when i was around 30 i got it was always nagging and i got pro low therapy you know what prolotherapy is no they it's a i guess whatever i've got is
like some sort of a tendon issue and they injected it's like a glucose solution that they inject directly into your tendons and it inflames the tendons and actually makes them thicker and stronger it's really painful while they're doing it because they're just multiple injections digging into that tendon and injecting it with this fluid that if i might be butchering like the actual mechanism behind doing it i probably am but uh it really worked it it had how often did you just like one time or i did it twice i believe i did it twice in my wrist but it never bothered me again and like every now and then it'll act up a little like if i do too much boxing work and i don't tape my wrists up properly yeah but pretty impressive that they could figure out a way to strengthen ligaments by making them swell up that's really crazy yeah it inflames them and then they actually get thicker and stronger the things that they figure out you're like that's beyond my skills and abilities i'll just stick to hunting so uh first of all i love your podcast i love the old one that now jason phelps stole from you but the new one is great too the new one is uh live wild yep yeah wow how many subscribers did you lose in going from closing the distance to live wild um i don't know actually i think we're back up we're probably higher than we were oh that's great yeah oh that's [ __ ] awesome yeah that's good it's been been really good because that's the big fear right when someone leaves a network or something like that and you leave one podcast and you you essentially started from scratch yeah exactly just the same it's like the same podcast just kind of a new name new place kind of thing it's a good name too though yeah i was one of the ones like i've kind of always used that as just kind of this philosophy that i live by of the the things that i like to do i like that wild feeling of being out there and doing something in the wild that seems maybe things that other people aren't doing what was uh how [ __ ] was the pandemic for you did you halt all activities or uh
no not really there's still a lot of a lot of hunting stuff that was opened um for the first part of it it was actually all right like my wife and i we just we kind of escaped to our little cabin and nothing was different yeah like okay cool we're just doing our thing and we're around people anyways so it's a good excuse to live wild it was right yeah the the thing that um for me especially is you know we saw a pretty good uh like increase in the number of people that were thinking about where their food comes from and how they can be more self-sufficient yeah and maybe even a lot of people that maybe went hunting when they were a kid i got so many messages of people like man your podcast has really helped me because i haven't thought about hunting since i was a kid i went out with my dad now this pandemic i've got a little bit of time plus i'm worried about having you know food my friends that don't hunt i was the their first like you'd hear all that news like oh meat shortage this that and the other thing they'd be like hey man uh i don't know if you remember me but i was like yeah i'll hook you up and we got plenty of burgers we got plenty of stuff yeah i had a lot of friends contact me because a lot of the guys that came to the podcast studio knew i had commercial freezers at the studio oh yeah so guys came by hooked them up with sausages and roasts and you know it was cool i like doing that though it's nice i just send pictures when you cook it yeah that's all i'd say yeah it's fun for me too because you like it it's a way for me to introduce people to what i really love yeah they like try it because i think through that food experience people that don't hunt can understand hunting in many ways and that's that's a big thing for me is even my wife i think she she didn't start hunting until we were together and it was through food like she loved the wasn't she like a vegetarian no she wasn't no she she ate meat i thought she was a vegan activist i don't know if we would have got to our second day she was never a vegetarian or anything like that that should a guy face
maybe yeah there's a few of those guys out there that yeah for sure dated a vegetarian then converted her to the dark side yeah no but i think it was just like through that wild game where she she just decided oh well i really enjoy eating it and now i'd like to be a part of this process that's cool myself yeah that's really cool yeah it's uh it's exciting i mean um i haven't taken my kids hunting yet but i've taken them fishing a bunch of times and they love that they cooked or they caught our dinner you know like when we're all sitting down to dinner table and we're eating some delicious fish that they caught they [ __ ] love it like i caught this like and you know they've been doing that since they were really little like they can't even remember the first time they went fishing because we've i've i figured like hunting is a tough ask for a little kid to blow away a deer it's like right also like a bad shot like if i get a bad shot i can handle it it's not fun i don't like it but i can handle it i am not going to put my kid through that right like i want to make sure that they are really [ __ ] accurate before they go hunting yeah yeah i think i always think of fishing is like the gateway drug to hunting it's like you can like you you kind of learn the basics of what it means to get your own food you learn the basics of like the entire experience and that that was something that i was worried about when my wife started hunting is is making sure that she had the right shot making sure everything was steady making sure that it was going to go right right because yeah i didn't want her to have like a really bad experience but also when we're hunting that's what we're doing you just have more experience in deciding what's going to be a good shot or a bad shot right and sometimes you know there are those times where you have to maybe you didn't do something right you have to learn from that yeah no one cares if you have a dead fish on instagram no one cares it's so weird it's it's a really fascinating exercise in the value of life because i did a post a long time ago like a series of posts like uh
the hierarchy of dead animals on social media and i said like lowest rung is a fillet of fish like looking down at a fish a piece of fish no one cares the a little above that is a dead fish like okay a little above that's dead bird like i was holding a dead turkey nobody really cared no one's angry yeah i go well let's kick things up a bit and then i showed a picture of bare meat and i'm like is this bare loin and that was in you know like saran wrap and like okay now things are getting weird like you can show bare meat this is a bare steak yeah and people don't get mad but if you have an actual dead bear people will lose their [ __ ] [ __ ] and want to kill you you should die you vile piece of [ __ ] and they'll get so angry yeah yeah we just we we put value on certain things and fish are at the bottom of that the bottom that's why i guess it's just because we don't relate to the fact that they don't really love their kids so you know like they don't take care of their children they shut them out and they just keep moving yeah and i mean outside of like an aquarium you don't really see them as like on your level they're just below the surface they're yeah they're fast growing they come and go there's no connection with a person like i think i connect more with plants than i do with a fish i think so too yeah i spray the plants like how you doing guys what's up you know like take care of a plant in your house and you you have a connection with that thing yeah fish are just this this thing that's like this like life form with no emotions just like looking ahead the only living thing below fish would be like christmas trees and flowers or bugs bugs people have no problem eating bugs no you know like that's the one thing that people are saying that like as uh meat shortages and food shortages happen i don't know why everyone's predicting all these goddamn food shortages kind of freak me out because i hear it about in the news constantly look food shortages are coming food shortages are coming like how there's so much food what are we doing what are we gonna do differently in six months than we're doing now that you're assuming there's gonna be food
shortages yeah i don't know yeah i don't know either i think a few few people could use a little less food in their life yeah so maybe there's that but i don't know yeah i'm not sure i know now there's all the conspiracies of all the factories burning down and i'm like i just i'm sure they were burning factories already i'm sure there was something going on i mean you know it's like how many factories are there how many food processing factories are there are there thousands have we lost two like what's going on yeah i'm not sure what should i be scared of it's like it just there's so much money and keeping people scared that's what's [ __ ] because like when you look at the news online like the value of a click-baity title it's undeniable like when you get a good title like food shortages like my children are gonna starve let me click you're instantaneously drawn into it and then they they're rewarded so they continue to publish more fear-mongering articles and more scary articles yeah and maybe some of those articles actually cause it as well maybe panic buying and all that kind of stuff i'm worried that i'm gonna that it's a cry wolf type situation i'm gonna ignore it and then i'm gonna go to the supermarket and there's no rice how come you guys want any rice there's no more rice like where do you get rice is there another store that i can get rice is there no more rice no more rice what are we doing you know that's why i feel like i think that whole reason is why people have turned to hunting and being self-sufficient because right now if there was a food shortage i'd be fine for quite a while i mean i wouldn't have a variety of diet and i'm not saying it would be the most comfortable thing but it's pretty much not a lot would change for me as long as the power stays on and the freezers keep running good to go yeah yeah i could be firing up my dehydrator i could eat my family could eat and my friends could eat for a year yeah you know i have a year's worth of
food which is nice and i eat mostly meat anyway yeah you know it's uh mostly meat and fruit that's basically my diet these days yeah do you grow anything like any vegetables or anything in your backyard i don't you're always on the road yeah that's right when you're when you're gone a lot i've tried we've got fruit trees because those are kind of low maintenance yeah you don't have to like sustain them every year right so yeah i'd be on the meat and food fruit train as well are you like how often are you traveling a year at one point in time i remember talking to you you said you were hunting about 250 days a year yeah i mean i don't know i haven't really like broken it down in the last couple years has been so random as well right um but it's a lot of days i spend a lot of days out there whether it's you know hunting for myself doing some filming stuff um guiding people i still do that i don't advertise it because it's just we're so busy whatever and then it's still probably it's probably up there in the 200 range and just is it mostly in this country or i know you do a lot of stuff in new zealand too are you still doing that yeah well they've they've been shut down i'm going back as soon as they open up but uh are they open now or no not yet still not here pretty shortly it's interesting how different countries handle this differently isn't it yeah but i was actually down in argentina not last month oh really yeah and um that was it was pretty cool i was the first time i've been there because i'd normally go to new zealand during the their fall you know southern hemisphere fall where it's uh chasing red deer and they're redding so it's just like elk but opposite seasons but they have like a whoa sounds like a yeah it's like a it's a mix between a beef cow and a lion it's like a roar see if you can find a stag roaring audio of a stag roaring a strange sound
it is weird like elk and and stags the both of them have the [ __ ] coolest noises they make they do it's yeah look how beautiful that thing is [Laughter] what a wild noise look at his boner too lipstick hanging out he's excited yeah he's trying to get some [Music] are they basically the same size as an elk um yeah a little bit smaller like probably like the size of a mature cow elk um a jack carr was just down in um and down in that area in argentina hunting stack so amazing yeah he loves it down there it's cool man they uh especially when they're well where i was hunting is so thick that they had to be roaring otherwise you ain't gonna find them like it's just flat and thick so you gotta they've gotta be vocal like that otherwise it's gonna be very difficult to find any of them and is it like the the area that you're going to is it a hilly air it's just flat pretty flat yeah interesting yeah and so they just like do you find their beds do you know where they go or do you just have to find them by roaring roaring wow that's interesting yeah yeah so you like you make a roar sound and then you'll get them just like elk bugling oh really so you have a rare tube um yeah you just use your voice oh yeah so there's no like elk call thing like you know like a phelps call i don't think no i mean there probably is but i don't think it's as good as what you can do with your voice let me hear a roar no one spot [Laughter] i mean you'd normally do it into a tube but right that's pretty good that's pretty solid yeah that's pretty good and i mean they've got things but you know you're just and when you're out there you hear them it's a little easier to kind of match that that sound and that pitch do the females have a sound as well yeah oh so it's kind of catwalk interesting yeah are they uh native to argentina or
did they get brought over there brought over same as new zealand like it's they're one of those animals it's everybody left england and they're like we miss home and we want something to eat and chase or run around our state and so they just let them out what year do they do that in argentina is like i can't even remember 18 something and so they probably did it on boats wow probably train how did they even capture them back then uh they were you know they'd have like their estates and they probably set up like a feed trap where they'd go the gates kind of thing and then they brought them over in boats yeah they put them on in crates have somebody tend them a lot of them like there's a lot of uh well when they went to new zealand like they would start out with 20 and then seven would make it or whatever it was yeah just let them go and and now there's giant populations running around random places around the world lots of different animals they've done that with yeah new zealand is a bizarre place in that regard that there's so many animals that are non-native animals that have massive populations that they they they even don't they do helicopter calls yeah the helicopter coals they do or they yeah a lot of poisoning like the almost like poisoned grain wow just because there's so many of them they have to control the population there's no predators it's people don't realize how effective predators are they eat a lot and they kill a lot and they they definitely manage that ecosystem in some ways now when the predators get out of check then the populations kind of go crazy as well but predators are super efficient at managing populations when you don't have those predators then humans have to be that predator because the trouble is you think like oh well we'll just let them run amuck right well then they're going to make certain species of grasses go extinct that are native only there they're going to make they're going to destroy the habitat to a point where not some of them survive none of them survive yeah and then diseases yeah which is very common in overpopulation yeah yeah
you can see the predator situation and the difference between the amount of deer that you find in california versus the amount of deer that you find in texas absolutely because in texas uh predators are not protected so um mountain lions are basically like vermin yeah like you could just shoot one no one cares whereas in california you're going to [ __ ] jail like you have to have a depredation permit like and even if you do that the animal rights activists will find out about you there was a woman that had an alpaca farm in um um in malibu and she was getting this problem where this one cat was visiting her alpaca farm and just joy killing so he'd hop the fence and kill like you know six or seven alpacas just [ __ ] them up and not even eat them and so they issued a depredation permit but then the press got a hold of it you know because it was a kind of a wild story that this mountain line was targeting this woman's farm and then the animal activist started sending her death threats and she was freaking out and so she decided not to even uh exercise the permit and have it because she was going to hire someone to have it taken care of that's like the the thing about mountain lions in california is they kill the exact same amount of mountain lions as they did when mountain lion hunting was legal yeah it's just now the state has to pay for it versus money coming in from uh hunters buying uh buying tags and and and paying all the other things that you would do that go along with mountain lion hunting whether it's dogs or you know guides or hotels food all that all that revenue is gone and instead it's just a negative because now they have to hire government hunters who have to go after these mountain lions that wind up killing a lot of dogs and they kill the same amount every year though yeah it's kind of i've actually seen that in in some cases it's it's higher but it's crazy as the population increases that number increases but it's just people aren't seeing it but it just makes people feel okay that hunters aren't killing mountain lions but instead like these government hit men
are and you don't know about it it's so dumb but it's but there's still a massive mountain lion population and it's [ __ ] hard to find deer in california there's not a lot no yeah between the deer and the bears the predator populations are really high and when you go like say i mean a lot of people that i talk to live in california like man i hunted an entire week didn't see a single deers i've actually hunted in california and seen you'll go out for five days and probably see seven to 12 bears something like that maybe one deer you know it's not crazy well it's that's just what happens so what happens when you don't manage properly or if you manage with emotions and you know and the the general perception of the public that's non-informed instead of using wildlife biology and science and you know what they do in most sane places where they regulate the animal population based on what they understand from the surveys yeah yeah i mean it's one of those things when you've got this crazy ecosystem where it's it's tightly managed and people are like well just let nature take its course and like we've already we've completely screwed up nature yeah the fact that you're living there existing there you think about like all these the the plant species that are in north america right now should never be here like we can never get back to that equilibrium we've [ __ ] it up way too much it's too far gone it's like it's this crazy idea of like it'd be nice but it can't happen you know because if that were to happen there you'd have to have like a mass eradication of so many animals i mean just to like be like oh let's get everything back to normal well you'd have to kill off all the wild horses and nobody wants to do that right but you could you know because those wild horses will make a lot of native species go extinct right you know they can out compete they can do things that other animals can't they can survive certain predators in other situations like they're just better at surviving and they can take over a landscape and so you're like
let's just put things back to normal well you're gonna have to eradicate a lot of [ __ ] that's a really good example wild horses because that is an emotional animal people get so they people who love horses they love horses the way people love dogs yeah the idea of eating a horse or shooting a horse infuriates people yeah like i talked about uh i was in montreal and canada has a different take on horses and we're at joe beef have you ever been to uh montreal joe beef is an insanely good restaurant one of my favorite in the world and uh they served us horse i was like oh like i don't know how i feel about this yeah but it looked like a piece of elk it was delicious yeah i mean i've had it in a couple uh outside of the us obviously and yeah for the most part you don't even know what it is somebody tells you i think it kind of tastes a little sweeter than beef or something but it is pretty lean too it's very lean it's kind of more like elk meat something yeah some some kind of game type animal but it's uh it's so emotional we did an episode of fear factor once where people had to eat horse rectum and uh people are so angry the horse people are furious they called up more worried about it being a horse than a rectum right yeah they didn't care about rectums it's like yeah that's normal well it just looks like an organ you know just looks like a tube it doesn't look like where [ __ ] comes out right you know yeah like what sausage is stuffed in but you think about all the wild animals that they would have to eradicate from this country like how would they get rid of all the nutrients they can't even find those little [ __ ] nutrias hogs right feral cats oh yeah i mean like everything the feral hog is a real problem yeah yeah like a lot of places how are you gonna get them there's millions of them yeah yeah you're not gonna bring it back to normal there's no normal anymore no there isn't and even just like i mean a larger portion of it is habitat yeah you think about you're like well these big animals they need big habitat and they need suitable habitat
and they need a certain kind of habitat and you you think about that like mule deer and you go what's a mule deer need well they need a winter range and where are you building your houses in the winter range so we'd have to get rid of a lot of houses we'd have to displace a lot of people to get things back to normal like it's just never gonna happen you would have to put elk everywhere like the entire country you know get rid of every fence yeah and you definitely i mean seriously though right like agriculture would have to cease because every time you go yeah there's you're like oh yeah this cornfield is great until you harvest it because you harvest it before winter time it doesn't leave any food on the ground for the animals so it's not only tearing away habitat like they need somewhere all animals need food water and shelter just like us right but if you tear out all that riparian area you tear out all the trees everything else then they don't have that home and so now it's just a field which part of the year they can live in and it's great but the rest of the year they don't have anywhere to go to survive the winter they don't have anywhere to go to survive predators they just have a barren plot of ground yeah so you have to get rid of all that you have to get rid of fences you have to get rid of a lot of things yeah that's a dirty reality for people that only eat vegetables like monocrop agriculture and those giant swaths of land that is completely unnatural and that absolutely causes the death of countless animal lives yeah because all the different things that get ground up in the process of making that soil available for farming and grinding up the like the cultivation of all those those plants whether it's you know using combines or whether it's what they're doing to to churn up the soil like all that stuff kills a bunch of [ __ ] oh yeah yeah it's what i they actually do like the crp program where they'll pay farmers essentially what that almost i don't know the exact amount that they pay them but to just leave it as like
habitat because they notice that so much land is being demolished just for agriculture yeah that there's nowhere for animals to actually live yeah what does crp stand for i can't remember i i just i was watching that on an episode of yellowstone where they were talking about crp conservation reserve program you know about that thing they're doing in the the american prairie reserve do you know that that thing they're doing in the middle of the country they're uh trying to essentially replicate something similar to what it looked like before uh modern settlers or the european settlers rather american prairie reserve so they're trying to buy up enormous swaths of land far bigger than yellowstone fill it with buffalo and prong horn and mule deer and all these different animals and i think they're doing block management on this too so they're they're going to have areas where people can hunt but these these will be areas where there'll be no development no cities no you know no nothing that's actually pretty cool so i guess maybe it does work in this area to do it on a larger scale yeah but i mean they just have a very you know like sort of a defined area that they're trying to do this in there although this region was once known for its abundance of wildlife current wildlife populations are greatly diminished but yeah that's uh all across the country yeah i mean habitat restoration is the the keystone of like a healthy environment healthy animal populations yeah like all these conservation organizations that's that's the number one focus is habitat because without it you have nothing yeah you know you could have all the animals in the world but if you don't have that habitat well i mean even here in texas right there's species that are abounding here that don't actually exist really in the wild where they're from like orcs yeah and it's primarily because they just don't have the habitat
for it anymore right right they just it's deforested or they're more of a plains animal but wherever they used to live doesn't really exist like that anymore so they could never like there could be a billion of them here but it doesn't matter you could keep throwing them out over there throwing them out over there and they'll never take hold because they don't have anywhere to go right yeah that's a weird thing about texas is that there are animals that are endangered that you can hunt yeah because they're not endangered here correct which is very like oryx are hard to find in their native habitat in their native range i guess the scimitar yeah yeah like other oryx or not but those ones particularly the scimitar oryx are they're popular here like you can there's a lot of ranches that have them yeah i think wild well i i don't know the whole history behind it but people started breeding them because it was like oh it's rare and then they would sell them to other it was just like a a commodity almost oh it's like that's something to have yeah like people would start breeding them and then they'd be expensive right so someone's like oh dude i'm gonna start an oryx farm because i can sell them for 20 grand a pop look cool looking animal though i mean it's a wild animal and gorgeous horns but that's a very very popular uh animal in ranches out here a lot of folks have them there's a lot of animals out here that are you know there's more tigers in captivity in private collections in texas than all the wild of the world oh for sure that's fact it's so crazy to say yeah it is weird just one state in people's backyard tigers there's more tigers so like if there was ever like a you know if tigers go extinct in india they can always just snatch up a few hundred from texas and set them loose yeah no [ __ ] like they're really i wonder how well they would actually be conditioned to be able to survive on their own i don't think that well feral cats do it right yeah cats are like a feral cat is a house cat and house cats are about the
most tame version of a cat you're ever gonna find for sure and they become ruthless murderers when you let them lose yeah my brother actually had a cat jump in his chicken coop yesterday and take the head off two chickens you know like a little little tiny cat he sent me the video i'm like yeah he's like what is this cat they're [ __ ] mean crazy they're mean yeah i i used to have this uh fluffy ragdoll cat and uh she used to kill everything i let her out she was a ball fluff i let her outside she like slowly moving in on a bird like all all of her was concerned she said nothing but cat food her whole life all of her instincts were consumed with killing yeah that's crazy bizarre animal yeah you know that we have this little tiny animal that just recognized that we're too big to kill so it leaves us alone but everything else all just i mean you can't like i had a bit in my act about it like you can have a pet durable and a pet dog and you could put the gerbil on the ground and the dog go like what the [ __ ] is this and you're like hey don't eat it that's my friend right and your dog go okay it's a rat i think it's a rat that's a [ __ ] rat dude you're like no no it's not a rat it's a gerbil and he's my friend the dog go all right all right but a cat you you have like point one tenth of a second before that cat kills that [ __ ] gerbil that's gonna just dive on it you can't teach a cat to not kill a hamster no there's no rules the all bets are off [ __ ] you i'm killing it yeah yeah i don't know i think those are the tigers man think about how much meat a tiger needs to eat per day something like 10 pounds or something i i'm not oh it's got to be more than that they're so big yeah and and then you'd have to have so think about how much meat a tiger needs to eat and where are they going to get that much food like a cat can kill a bird and survive a mouse and survive tigers are gonna have to kill large animals probably like an axis deer or something like that almost daily almost every couple days right so he's like you need enough of those
so even if you had a bunch of tigers and you put them back in the wilds like they don't have anything to eat so they're just gonna die well you and i were talking last night um after the comedy show about lanai and about lanai to me is the one of the strangest places i've ever hunted because first of all it's this gorgeous island it's so beautiful yeah and it's only got 3 000 people but it has 30 000 axis deer it's the most bonkers place i've ever been like you can't believe how many deer there are but those deer are so fast and so wired because they evolved to get away from tigers yeah so they hear the snap of a bow going off and they're like they're gone yeah in a way that i i can't imagine that i would have ever believed a mammal can move that fast oh yeah until i saw it and then there's a bunch of them too so one of them hears it and the rest of them just go they just burst out into a different direction yeah and that's how they survive that herd mentality it's like everybody's looking out everybody's watching and then that's how they've survived tigers but few of them will get taken out but you were telling me that lanai's lost a large population i think it ha i mean there's been a little bit of a drought so there's just less water and i think that's played a big portion of some of the they can kind of manipulate whether or not they get water right by the amount of trees they have and yeah it's weird because i mean you know a lot of those hawaiian islands there's that dry side and then there's that wet side yeah and yeah i think that they there was something where they kind of deforested it and it stopped getting the rain ooh yeah isn't that strange that that the amount of trees that you have can on an island can actually affect the amount of rainfall well they i mean i don't know how true this is either though because they were saying like the axis deer at one point ate so much vegetation that it changed the weather but i i don't i don't know how that could be but i've read that that makes sense because if you think about yearlings or um any kind of like little tiny um shrubs that are coming up like
trees that are on their way up yeah they just start eating them before they ever get a chance to become trees yeah that makes sense i mean they're not chopping trees down no i mean yeah they're just i just don't know if it's like if that could actually change or if it's like maybe they're just in a drought and they attributed it to that it's hard to say i was in maui recently and uh we were on a boat fishing and we were past this one part of the island where the guy said it rains like 290 days a year yeah and i was like what he goes yeah that that area right there is one of the wettest parts of the world he goes but look over there dry desert there's like literally a canyon apart yeah yeah yeah it just goes over into that canyon it rains and the clouds hover over that area and there's a [ __ ] ton of vegetation and it just pours rain there yeah it's crazy that's the weirdest thing about the big island to me because the big island is so fascinating because you go from kona and then you go all the way around you make the loop and you run into like five different ecosystems you can go skiing in places in the big island yeah and the same day you could be on the beach surfing it's bonkers it is crazy yeah and those those mountains are actually pretty big yes real big sea level to what 10 000 plus feet have you ever been to the observatory up there i have yeah god it's [ __ ] amazing isn't it yeah it's pretty crazy you got to catch it on a time where there's no moon that's the thing if you go to the keck observatory you got to get up there when there's no moon and it's spectacular like the view of the sky the view of the heavens the view of the like the milky way it changed my fut my thought about space like i i it reset my my understanding of like what's up there oh yeah because you look at the night sky and we have so much light pollution and you're just accustomed to seeing a few stars or you go out in the country in the you know in the middle of the winter and the sky is clear and you see so many stars but nothing like this because you're at 13 000 feet and you're above the clouds you actually drive through the clouds to get to the observatory one thing i love like when i'm out hunting backpacking and
you're up on a mountain looking down on stars i think is the coolest experience you know because you get up on the top of the mountain and you your whole perspective is normally looking up at this space and you're like looking down at the stars i'll never forget this one time i was hunting central nevada and that's got to be one of the darkest places in the lower 48. actually you yeah you guys pretty much went to that spot but i was up on the big mountain behind there and uh packing out a deer and it was a really big meteor shower and you're looking and they're like below you you know it was a really cool experience you don't i don't think you get you don't even think of it like that like you know you get to see everything the curve of the earth yeah wow that's a scary place for lightning storms isn't it it is yeah have you ever been in one of those you've been hit i've been hit by lightning oh that's right yeah i was a little kid and i was actually in my backyard but um yeah lightning nevada central nevada get some crazy crazy how old were you when you got hit like kindergarten age whoa yeah holy [ __ ] yeah yeah me and my dad were actually just in the backyard um we were putting up oh he was putting up a basketball hoop and i was just there and there was a lightning storm over like we lived up on a hill and there's a lightning storm like off in the distance and in the high desert these just like the clouds come up those valleys that gather a lot of electricity and just like you get these crazy lightning storms it was blue skies above us and probably like a mile away and just bolt reached out a lot of people get that's actually how a lot of people get struck because when you're when it's a crazy lightning storm you aren't standing there looking at it you know you're thinking you're like i'm going to be a lot smarter than just standing there but they call it bolts over the blue i think the majority of people that actually get struck or are there's not actually clouds above them
what yeah because you you think about it you're like oh i'm safe here right i'm i'm a mile or whatever it just looks off in the distance and the bolt reaches out and hammers you so there was blue skies above your head and the bolt went sideways and hit you yep pretty much holy [ __ ] so we he had been putting up the basketball hoop i think he just finished it and we were just like this lightning storm came and they come in pretty quick and just like watching it and bolt reached out probably attracted to you know the the pole the pole yeah and um hit me in my right leg just above my knee and then came out below my knee and then my dad i don't remember exactly where my dad was hit but it threw me we had like these three steps going down and it threw me i don't even know 20 or uh a long ways 20 yards maybe it wasn't that for 15 yards everything was small so it probably seemed a lot bigger um yeah i mean it threw me like all the way up three steps and across the yard when my dad came to he came to before me and he was actually temporarily paralyzed like he wanted to crawl to me but he couldn't move wow and i was out for a while and then um you were unconscious you probably thought you were dead yeah he thought he was like probably thought i was dead and you can and he can't move he can't move no [ __ ] yeah and then he he actually um he was like temporarily paralyzed for a little while and then everything just came back like how long is a little while a couple weeks holy [ __ ] yeah holy [ __ ] yeah that must have been terrifying yeah like knowing what happened or you know and when did you come back um i can't i remember coming to like as soon as the paramedics or whatever you remember it oh yeah that's like my first memory i don't think i think probably because it's so traumatic you know and probably because you probably fried every memory after that before that yeah i definitely remember i remember coming too i remember thinking like this is i remember it's just every you know like you're kind of shell-shocked um when the i i don't i wouldn't compare it to anything but um the movie saving
private ryan yeah when the there's that scene where the bomb goes off and like everything's kind of like slow motiony weird and the sound's weird when i saw that scene i was like that's my memory it was like that that noise and the like the everything was weird slow-motiony i i think his your heart's probably going really fast and you can't hear and everything's like this weird noise and i just remember it and when i saw that i was like that's really [ __ ] accurate so i'd be interested to see like other people that have been in like a shell shock situation or whatever i bet you that somebody had to have done something or i would say like coached them on that because that scene of like that that really i thought it was super accurate of like what lightning was like do you remember the lightning hitting you no no i just remember waking up wow i don't know if you could remember the lightning hitting you i don't my dad doesn't either and you had some weird repercussions for a while right oh yeah i think it just messes with everything but i i definitely had almost still do like a weird twitch for a very long time that had to get under control really yeah still do uh yeah you've like i've like trained myself to consciously not do certain things it's it's been like a very long process i don't even think about it anymore but for a long like when i was younger probably until i was like 17 um you know you just have to like think about it 100 of the time so what is the twitch like what does it do i don't even know it's like a yeah just like it was like well back then it was like a weird like like my neck would look like we could twitch like the kid with the tuition wasn't all the time but it definitely like happened so you had learned like here it goes stop it yeah yeah oh train yourself oh wow like things but it became automatic i don't know it was weird it's weird it's almost like certain things that normal people do automatically that you don't think about i almost have to think about
wow yeah blinking's one of those things for me really yeah i had like um i would almost like it would be like more so like i it was a weird thing because like you i tried it's like one of those things now it's like i actually got it under control to the point where it's actually like weird because i don't even think about him i don't even like talking about it because it's like [ __ ] with your that part of your head that you're like i don't know if it's train yourself to do something in a different way that is should be automatic like your heart beating i guess you know you're like i i don't do that but yeah like anything anything that's automatic to train yourself to do something a different way is very difficult in my opinion wow you have to think about blinking so it just kind of cooked your system a little bit yeah for sure wow yeah they say like people that have been struck by lightning like they're pers i didn't i was young enough where it wouldn't have affected me in that way but like people's personalities change and just random stuff weird stuff happens like that that makes sense because people's personalities change from car accidents yeah they also say that people that are struck by lightning once are more likely to get struck again i heard that too you know i figured it out it's just because people get struck by lightning in the first place are [ __ ] idiots i was like i'm gonna i'm gonna finish this back nine i don't care or i'm gonna go out on the lake and water ski i don't give a [ __ ] about that storm or i'm gonna be fixing this antenna on my roof yeah it's funny how people that have never known anybody that got hit by lightning are pretty blase about lightning you know yeah like it was uh starting to rain once when we were on the lake and i was like we better get inside and they'll they're like what's the big deal i go [ __ ] lightning yeah lightning is a big deal like there's a lot of lightning out here in texas yeah dude we were here once in july and there was a
lightning storm and lightning hit 300 yards from our house and the sound like if you've never been around where lightning hits really close the sound and the instantaneous sound because it was the crackle you see the bolt the sky lights up and you hear the boom and you realize oh [ __ ] that's right there oh yeah right over there boom it's so powerful too it was so loud it was like we were being attacked by gods you know i mean you you can see why they thought thor was like reigning thunderbolts out of the sky back in the old days because if it if it's near you the amount of energy that's involved is so disturbing yeah it's crazy i mean what like one lightning bolt has so much if you could you know they've also like harnessed that yeah power and you're like you don't want that going through your body it's amazing that you survived how many people survive lightning bolts more more than you would think actually yeah like what's the percentage of survival i don't know i think it's i think the percentage last time i left was greater than nine out of five nine out of ten survive yep yeah wow that's pretty good it is really good yeah i think and you know it's like the odd people oh the odds of that have been struck by lightning it's like yeah but it's like anything man if you're outside during a lightning storm your odds exponentially increase it's also like i don't know we've talked about bear attacks before when you're like living and breathing in bear country the odds of getting attacked exponentially increase yeah for most of the world it's not a factor right but when you're in that situation and you've got nowhere to go like if you're on the top of a mountain and there's a lightning storm you're the one whose odds of getting struck or are going to happen it's not it's not as rare it's not like winning the lottery yeah i always try to tell that to people that say you shouldn't be scared of sharks like sharks they're so rare shark attacks go do you know how [ __ ] rare it is for a person to be near a shark how about think of that right because like when you're thinking about people swimming they're
only in the edge they're very it's very rare they're in the middle it's very rare that they're like 20 yards uh or uh 20 miles rather out to sea you know swimming around that's not happening yeah so wherever the [ __ ] sharks are like you got to think like how many people are near those sharks if if they found out how easy we were to eat it'd be over it would be a problem because the only reason they don't target us is because they don't know we're edible they're used to seals and other things that they eat on a regular basis they just don't think of us as food because it's not a normal part of their every day-to-day life yeah the other thing too is i mean if you think about i think about it a lot when i'm spearfishing and if you think about a shark and how big they are right but when you're in the water let's say you're spear fishing and you've got your fins on you look like a very large animal yes you know you're you're whatever six feet plus fins that's as big as most sharks so they don't eat really large things now great whites are probably the exception and those are the ones that attack the most people yeah because our food source is a little bit bigger but even a seal is you know half our size for the most part yeah seals they're half our size and i'm sure they taste delicious to a shark it's all fat and yeah they're just like a big lollipop of probably juicing the type of scent that they put out to in the water oh yeah i mean everything right the scent like it's just animals get accustomed to eating very specific things you know they get accustomed to a a specific type of diet and yeah they they seek that out it's normal to them right if you could add people to that list i mean that's a problem when they find uh tigers that get uh accustomed to eating people once they eat a few they're like people are great yeah they start targeting them yeah yeah that's the like part of areas of india where there's a lot of tiger attacks they get these tigers that are they call man eaters because they just decide like people are slow as [ __ ] and they're very nutritious you can sustain your existence off of people
oh yeah very defenseless as well oh my god nothing we have nothing even our teeth aren't sharp no we have nothing we've got like numbers yeah you're by yourself you're a goner we have strategy i'll just poke him in the aisle stick my fingers right in his eyeball there okay yeah good luck you ever poke an eye it's not that hard i mean it's not that easy it's not easy it's like they all have to do is like squinch their eyes shut and it's like you can't really get in there quick enough for them to stop eating you yeah exactly well you've had like some pretty wild close encounters on the last podcast i think we talked about your uh encounter on a fog neck island with that gigantic bear yeah did that [ __ ] your head up forever no no people ask that and i i think i even mentioned it the last time it's like out of this if i like think about things that scared the [ __ ] out of me in my life that's not like on the bottom of the list i don't know what yeah it's i mean i don't know maybe it's like you're con i'm conditioned uh i i know that i'm going to experience those kind of things that's not the first time i've been charged by bears yeah but that was so close it was but also like at the end of it and the other thing i think that there's things that i've i mean i've almost died a lot of times so that was like not the scariest in many ways i don't understand that but that thing ran through the camp dirtmouth rode its back for like 10 or 15 yards and that's like one of the it is it crazy but also i was just like i don't know i don't know why that i don't know i i think that i've had like more close encounters with almost falling off cliffs and stuff that scare me more than that that makes sense that part makes sense but i i feel like there's probably something about an animal attack or a close animal attack that triggers some sort of primal reaction in a person that's paralyzing yeah i think the the one thing is i think in many ways it's like
you can't you think about it all the time like when you're out there i don't know i i feel like i've been guiding people professionally in what would be bear country for almost my entire life yeah i i encounter bears constantly whether it's brown bears black bears whatever i've actually had a black bear charge me twice this year or last year yeah in my yard almost um really yeah no in montana what happened oh yeah this is actually uh so i was we've got these little cabins and i hear something going down behind one of the cabins like uh something killing a deer so went out it was a mountain lion to kill the white tail like i don't even know probably 15 yards behind one of the cabins and then i was guiding so i got up early and left and went out and telling like my wife everything be careful you know don't be walking around at dark whatever but i put a trail i should have been smart enough to just like move it but i just didn't have the time to dick with it so i put a trail camera up to see if it was coming back and a bear had come in like a black bear and claimed the carcass which black bears do a lot like mountain lions they don't when they kill something they first they like get it they kill it the first thing they do is they take out the most nutritious part they just pull the liver right out because they're gonna get they get chased off a lot of their kills they're just such efficient killers too it's nothing for a mountain lion to go kill something else whereas a bear isn't really great at killing stuff so they more scavenge they more forage they're more omnivored i've never asked yeah i don't know why that escaped me but um yeah so yeah so i put the trail camera and i was like oh a bear came in and now claimed this car cause the cat probably won't come back and then i'm walking back in the dark and uh and the bear was on the thing and i was like shining my flashlight there he's just now he wants to claim it as his own
doesn't want me to steal it from him yeah he's like i took it now it's mine and woofing and stuff and runs in maybe half the distance and i'm yelling at it and it's just not even he doesn't even give a [ __ ] so i was like okay so i just tell everyone well let's like not mess nobody go outside and so in the cabin i hear something on the on the porch and i forgot i had like a little trash can out there with some stuff in it and the bear is [ __ ] with it so i opened the door to scare the bear away like hey hey thinking okay and instead of running away he just runs right to the door oh slam the door in his face and it's like oh [ __ ] we need to take care of this bear so the next day uh somebody had a bear tag and we moved the carcass and it was like looking around for the bear but we never saw it again oh wow so once he moved the bear car cause he was gonna be the yeah he just he's like actually i should probably you know he lost i just moved the carcass and he kept he he kept hitting carcass but it wasn't around us oh yeah yeah bears are it's they're beautiful and i'm they're cool and i'm glad they're around but they scare the [ __ ] out of me yeah mostly mostly brown bears yeah but but you know ranella was telling me a story once about this guy who was on his first hunt ever and uh a 500 pound predatory black bear broke into his tent oh yeah and his buddy shot the bear and the bullet went through and hit his wrist and you know there's a cluster [ __ ] because the bear was trying to eat his friend in his [ __ ] tent first ever hunt he's getting mauled in his tent by a 500 pound black bear that's really bad odds bad odds yeah that's just bad luck i mean it does happen but like one on a million there's actually there's actually a lot of black bear attacks but most of them are in almost what i'd consider like a residential experience where they're they're they've got food and it's like a
lot of older people or women mostly and it's those times that you're caught off guard like you walk out and it's in your trash can and maybe it's got cubs and then freaks out or people walking their dogs and the dogs [ __ ] with the bear and then they could save the dog and the dog or the bear kills them yeah yeah montana and like idaho and those the areas that have like grizzlies in the country like that's a different animal oh yeah they've just got a different temperament they're they're extremely irritable like they've got that they know that they're big and their propensity is more to like rush you and scare you off than to now the 90 of the encounters that i have with brown bears or grizzlies they run away they don't really like people but there are those ones where they get like they bluff charge you they wolf at you they stomp on the ground i don't like that number 90 it's not enough that means one out of 10 is gonna try to kill you yeah i guess that's well that's the thing like they can it's 50 50. really they're either gonna run away or run towards you and for them it's probably just as easy to do both i don't know how many times have you been like in a bad encounter with a grizzly or any kind of brown so i guess i would say i've been attacked once i've probably been charged four times when you say attacked once you're talking about fog now yeah yeah um and then charged maybe like four times um yeah that's not the scariest thing what is the scariest thing that ever happened to you in the wild huh man um me i would say one of the scariest things uh i was in new zealand i was actually guiding at the time and i took this lady um she was we were hunting champion those mountains are like just straight up and down and she was older and she was doing this thing where she's trying to hunt everything like free range in the south pacific and i don't know at the time if any other woman had
accomplished that like and she was getting older now and it's just kind of like one of those things so i really wanted her to be able to get this animal so we were hunting and we got dropped off by a helicopter and then we were up there camping and stuff and it was really foggy and then the fog cleared and there's a chamois around the cliffs and so i was waiting i'm like okay in that cliff stuff it's like okay you might be able to shoot something but you also need to be able to recover it and i was waiting telling her we got we've got to wait until we can get somewhere so we can recover it okay so i'm looking and i it moves over to the right and i think it's a perfect spot it'll fall down the cliffs and we'll be able to get to it and bring everything back so i tell her to shoot and she shoots and it falls and like lands half like it's stuck halfway between this cliff there's like this piece of rock that i didn't realize so i thought ah [ __ ] well i'll just climb up there and go get it and so i get down there and the mountain's really i mean pretty much nearly vertical i wouldn't say it was like technical climbing but it's very you've got to have three four points of contact kind of thing and so um i start climbing up to it and i didn't really think anything of it i was just like okay i'm gonna get this shammy and it'll be good and it was really cold and kind of mossy and my hands started to get cold and my feet start to get cold and i climb up to it and it's like what had happened was this rock had pulled off the the mountain and then the chamois had fallen into here so i have to climb up above it and then kind of like scale over and then to get down to it i have to like jump on to this little piece so i'm like all right so i jump down to it and i still haven't really thought anything of it like i jumped to it and i grabbed the shammy and i uh pitch it over the edge because i'm like you know i'm going to go get it and i pitch it over the edge and watching it fall like you know you throw something you're like okay it's gonna hit the ground and it's falling and
falling and falling it took forever to hit the ground and i realized how high up i was and how far down it was and just like how probably out of my skill set i was and i just like literally started shaking it was like this instantaneous like watching it fall for so long all i could picture was me just falling and i i was and i started thinking to myself i was like i actually just then realized i was like i don't know if i can actually get out of here because i can't down climb when i came up i'm not good enough to down down climbing is really difficult for people that are like and i had boots on i mean it wasn't like you got climbing shoes and solid surface and all this stuff and i was like man i just put myself in a really shitty situation and it freaked me out and actually so i thought so i kind of like sat there for a little bit and then regained my composure and decided well i gotta climb up oh my god because that's the only way and just hope that i can find a way down so i climb up to the top and luckily there was a route that i could get down like on the ridge and actually hike down but yeah how to get up to the top right you didn't have a path no i just like just had to climb up because i knew that i couldn't climb down oh my god and then the whole time you're thinking and like your hands are getting cold and it was just like a really bad situation that was i went above what i should have done right so i go down i pick up the chamois i put it on my back and i carry it up to the lady and she's like i can't remember she's like probably 70 years old and she i walk up and she is bawling and she comes up to me and just starts slapping me in the face you're like [ __ ] you [ __ ] you you never do that again like she thought i was going to die right nothing's worth it like just freaking out hysterical like i'm almost laughing but like she took me by surprise because i didn't know her very well and she's just every obscenity she could think of she was screaming slapping me punching me like oh my god like i'd lost it and i really
realized i was like man i don't know that was i i mean i didn't almost slip but also like i just put myself in the and now um like when i'm around those edges and ledges i like i i don't really like it as much as i used to like i haven't done anything stupid like that since holy because it's so easy like one slip you fall you're dead it's so crazy that's clammy fully clammed out i don't like comfortably sweaty i don't know and that's like and i i think about that and that's one that's one of probably uh you know a few for me things that freak freaked me out where i thought like i might not make it out of this god damn do you ever have nightmares in that one no but when i'm when i'm like i mean i i love mountain hunting and i love like that alpine experience and i still do it but when i get to those parts where it's like where it's like okay you just gotta you know you think about it like one fault i could die yeah it freaks me out more than it used to for sure i don't know yeah i don't like those that's how cam's buddy died yeah yeah it happened and that's the thing too you get to like this you you have a lot of experiences in in doing things and you know roy you did that his whole life i've do that my whole life but you literally one misstep and you die yeah and and when you're hunting you have you're when you're climbing you're kind of like okay i've got this equipment and i've got this and i've got these kind of shoes and boots and ice sacks or whatever you've got you've got these things when you're hunting you're kind of like well i got to get up there and i don't know how to get up there and you start getting up there and you're like well i just got to keep going you and you've got a heavy pack on you've got big boots on heavy boots you've got gloves like you just aren't really prepared for it in some ways right and the boots that like mountain hunters use are very different than the boots that a mountain climber would use yeah they use those things with the claws in them yep crampons yeah yeah and
i actually use those yeah i use those yeah i've used them in in snow and ice and then also sometimes like on really steep mountains you'll use it like even in the grass and stuff just to keep that um grip a little bit better jesus like really steep stuff yeah that's not good no that scor that story scares the [ __ ] out of me yeah i didn't like that and and to be honest like i won't put myself in those situations anymore so it's probably uh that might have saved like having that experience might have saved my life in many ways because you realize like you could make that error and get stuck in a situation yeah now now i think about it and i i was like man okay it's like not worth it it's not worth it and i mean you know there's ever there's a lot of mountain guides or hunting guides or whatever that that die every every year every couple of years from that really yeah yeah i mean like roy and i've heard of quite a few you know just being in these kind of circles well you got to realize those areas are often wet yep often snowy unstable surfaces yeah shale all kinds of kinds of stuff oh [ __ ] yeah what what's the other another one oh i mean yeah i've had i had an experience where i was crossing a river one time with my pack on and uh it was just like faster than i thought got swept down the river oh wow yeah that that one it wasn't i mean i i figured i could get out um you know i i think i've told on here before a story where i jumped in a river he actually saved a lady i didn't think i was gonna get out of that one yeah you did tell that story and you found the the guy that was with her was dead floated under floated by yeah and that that was scary and probably i mean i don't know i don't know if i told you this story but um well actually like my my wife was lost one time that's actually um and uh i actually didn't think that i was going to find her alive so that that was actually probably one
of the worst outdoor experiences that ended up turning out good save your life but um it wasn't for my own how you met her no it wasn't how i met her so you'd already met her and then yeah i'd met her we dated um like she was a little she's younger than me and like i'm traveling she had moved away and we just kind of like went apart and we were gonna get back together uh this was like a couple years after so we were no we were not actually dating at the time um but i i was on a trip in alaska i just got back and then her sister called me it was like danielle's missing and we uh and like you know one of those like nobody can find her and like maybe i have the skill set to go help out in some way and so i like literally i just i was unpacking all this i was doing a film thing in alaska i just got in maybe five minutes into my house i just left all my [ __ ] i called my brother and my friend and was like danielle's missing we're gonna go so we we gathered up our stuff and uh drove she was in central nevada she was visiting her dad and like just gone out on a trail and never came back and so it was like it was it's like the high desert mate mid mid-summer so it's you know like pretty hot in the daytime really cold at night really high elevation kind of thing and i think she'd been missing for this would be going on her third day oh [ __ ] yeah and um so i was like oh [ __ ] and there was a so we got there and there had been like a facebook group and they they had the blackhawk helicopters out looking couldn't find her search and rescue they did the dog thing everything and uh so i got there it was like probably 5 p.m still daylight when i got there and
we get we get there and kind of talk to the search and rescue and i'm like one of the guys kind of recognized me knew i wasn't what i did and i had my whole pack like i was ready to glass like we were going to just normally on search and rescue things like they want people out of the area but they knew that i knew what i was doing so they let us in to help and um so kind of met with them talked to them there's a facebook group thing of like what they'd seen and there was this report of a vehicle with like mexico plates leaving the area and i don't know like how you know you start like people start saying like okay i saw her last wearing this so she the last she'd been seen she was just wearing like running stuff didn't have any equipment with her she'd gone up and then the search and rescue dogs like they went up the canyon and then they came back and they did that multiple times so the theory was like she went up came back and then people they were actually kind of thought since they put in a search effort that she was gone like taken so you know that that kind of shits in your mind too right right so you're like okay because they saw a mexico place yeah and i'm like i don't know why you know why that would but kidnapping yeah something right right because they had the you know they were working under the assumption that she wasn't there like out there right so you know they kind of asked like did you like a little interview like you know how far do you think she going i was like well she trains for marathons like she could be 20 miles from this point we don't really know you know um we don't know what happened either like she could have fallen broke like we just don't know what happened um so they showed us where the the dogs were had gone and where they inspected and everything and i i thought i was like you know my initial like the way that i think was like well whatever you guys have done didn't work right so i'm just going to kind of take the
things that you've said and just and look at it through a lens of like that didn't work so i got we've got to just try something different so i loaded up my pack and i had like all my optics everything and i was just like i my thought was i'm just going to go out there and and part of it too i was kind of like a wreck in some ways like i'm not just gonna sit around and do nothing right so it's starting to get dark at this point and my thought was like i'm not coming back until i find something so i just load up my pack like i'm going on a back country hunt with all my [ __ ] and just go aft go back there and see what i can do and i wanted to be it was good in night time so i wanted to be like ready first thing in the morning thinking when that before that light gets harsh and she's in the shade like if you're trying to survive in the desert when it's it's super cold at night so you're probably moving around to stay warm and then it in the morning you probably still be moving around but once it gets daytime then you're probably in the heat and you're in the shade so uh there was the guy so they had blackhawk and it had to go back because it timed out like it needed fuel they're there at that point and they were searching in the middle of the day which i thought you know be better to search in the evening after the the heat on the rocks cools off a little bit you can use a fleer system like thermals because everything in the desert cools down so fast that you might be able to find her at night using a thermal system so i asked the guy if we could get a thermal fleer system and so they were working on getting something and so i had one of the guys take me into the um back i just said like drive me as far they had like these little ranger things in the whole their uh you know like off-road vehicle like uh what polaris yeah yeah or can-am or whatever so uh i was like just driving as far back as you can so you drive me back and now it's starting to get dark and i had a big flashlight and i just like looked at it and before it
got dark and just looking around it's like oh i'd probably go up here no trail i was like man we've we've hiked all over the world together no trails we never go on trails so i just thought i'd start going here and now but at this point it's dark and i just started hiking in the dark up this canyon and it's probably uh maybe probably close to midnight at this point and i was thinking about you know like a lot of shit's going through my head thinking man what's it going to be like if i find her dead okay like am i prepared for this or what if i and the thing that really like messed me up was what if i never find her like i just couldn't and these things like kept going through my head and i'm literally in the dark and there's no moon at all just hiking in the dark i like just stop and you just i like i felt very very very helpless and i'm like literally praying for a sign of some kind and i look down and there's this weird scuff mark and i'm like i just keyed in on it in randomly walking in the dark and there's deer tracks everywhere and i just start like following this one track and it just didn't look right but it's not like the kind of ground where you can see tracks you know i inspected it i didn't see shoes and i i get up to this like flat bench area and i just have this weird feeling and i'm like and then i saw a light on the top of the mountain so i thought oh man maybe that's somebody had come in hiked in with like uh thermals and i can use that to then look for her and i'll come back to this area so i um i call my brother and my buddy on the radio i'm like hey you know i'm up here and they were around they were looking around the rocks where the dogs had turned around thinking maybe she went up there fell into something and got stuck and like places people normal search and rescue wasn't gonna look so they were looking in kind of those areas so i hike up to where the light was on the hill and it happened to just be like
people that were in the area like a couple that were just like whatever camping and you know i was like hey you know i talked to him i was like hey here's a picture have you seen this person no we haven't seen anything i was like cool you know like the area's kind of closed down right now just so you know because they're looking for like cool keep an eye out and so now i'm away from that spot i just like i started to think about it and i like i called my brother and buddy and they're like yeah you know we don't see anything around here like maybe we'll we'll start first thing in the morning and i was like okay you know i'm going to stay up here and i'm going to go back to this spot i'm just going to camp out up here or whatever but i got to go check this spot first so i walk back to that like little bench thing and i sit down i turn off my light and i just yell out i'm like hey danielle this is remy if you can hear me i'm not leaving till i find you i'm just like sitting there and then i hear remy and i was like oh [ __ ] it was so faint i was thinking to myself did i just like did i actually hear that so i had my radio and i called my brother and a friend and i was i said hey i just heard her i'm going to turn my radio off in case maybe that's like i'm only going to hear one more time i'm turn my radio off get somebody up here so and i just said that over the radio because i don't want the radio going off for some random reason well the next time she said something or whatever so i flipped the radio off and i just started like moving in that direction where i i heard something and i yelled out again and didn't hear anything and then kept moving and yelled out again when i before it got dark i remember like there's this big basin almost like a amphitheater kind of shape right and on the top side was all these cliffs and everything so i thought well maybe i heard it across the canyon and she fell
into one of those cliffs so i'm like moving in that direction but i'm trying to move like you know when you're chasing an elk and it's like that you've gotta you've gotta run but you can't run loud right you're like that stalking running like trying to be quiet because it was very very faint and still i'm partially thinking i'm going crazy and uh so i um i get up to that i keep going and i yell i'm like danielle can you hear me and then i hear grammy or i heard her uh yeah she actually said my name again i was like and i flipped on my light and she was like 300 yards below me i was like oh [ __ ] so i i run to her thinking like oh look this is crazy so i run up to her and she just was like so confused and she she's like i i think she's she's like hallucinating and i was like are you okay she's like i know and i was like um i was like do you do you know who i am she's like i think so do you do you know you're like just you know like basic first responder questions right can you answer some simple questions like do you know your name like no [ __ ] nor name like yeah like i don't know uh i don't know and i'm like okay and then so i called the um i flipped my thing on i called my buddy and i was like all right i found like i've got her we need paramedics here now and uh so my buddy was they were probably two or three miles from the base camp my buddy joe just like takes off it's just like sprinting down to the base camp and then my brother is hiking up to me to help her and so um we tried to i we didn't have service where we were and i lost i was i have a satellite messenger but i left it in the truck um so my buddy goes down and i think somehow somebody had called
whoever you know paramedics in the whole deal and so my buddy joe this is the funny part is my buddy joe runs down to the search and rescue camp and he's like remy founder we need to go and one of the guys that was kind of in charge was like an older guy he not the guy that goes in the field or anything just he's like you know somebody thought they heard something but it could have been a mountain lion so we're just gonna save our energy for the morning search and my buddy joe's like he's like [ __ ] you i'm commandeering your vehicle and he just takes the ranger the razor thing and rips off toward town because you know like to go meet get get some not a [ __ ] yeah like i mean like who's ever heard like we thought we heard something but it could have been a mountain lion like that doesn't even mean you're saying you have her right yeah he's like he's just like he you know i mean that's like a scene in a movie yeah there's this one lazy cop yeah exactly it was just like i was like this is this is too crazy like when he told me that story i couldn't i was just like rolling laughing and also concerned like why the [ __ ] would you say it could have been a mountain lion dick so so uh they go up and we end up he he gets meets up with them and and they get up to the top they were able to like kind of get up this ridge and then came down with a a stretcher and my brother and i were able to like you know do like a helper get up the mountain did you give her water did she yeah oh yeah so i gave her water i think i'm like here drink this and like she like as soon as it hit her lips she like spit it out she's like fire like so she was so dehydrated so dehydrated like it just started like burning like the water was burning oh my god um yeah yeah and so um we got her we got her up to the paramedics and then you obviously to the hospital and like a pretty extensive rehydration uh thing and yeah and you know like she she wasn't feeling good when she went out and i think it was just like oh i'm gonna go you know when you're sick or whatever you're just like
not feeling good you go out to do something to feel better probably went beyond cape village i think and woke up and didn't know where she was so she went out kind of sick and thought she was going to sweat it out yeah wow just went on a run yeah and then probably and then you know and then just had no clue i had no clue like where she i thought the good thing is when she didn't know where she was she didn't go anywhere else she stayed put which is definitely yeah because you you just like have no clue where you are you don't like don't know where to start going they would have never found her if it wasn't for you i don't think so wow i don't know dude she owes you yeah well now we're married that's how i got her back it's like it's a it's a solid way to win an argument i think we should i definitely think we should go here for dinner like no i'm not really feeling that but remember that time i saved your life wow yeah talk about a bond like you guys have a bond for sure yeah it's a pretty i don't know that's a crazy bond that's a crazy bond yeah the fact that you found her and then the the type of person that has the capability to do what you do on a daily basis like most people are not going to be able to get to her they're not going to be able to have the understanding of how to navigate and how to get around or they're not going to have like the aerobic capacity that you have like all those the times of hunting and camping and hiking and like you have crazy sick cardio yeah it's like a lifetime of essentially spending my entire life looking for things that are hard to find and then using it in a way that was more beneficial than anything else i'd ever done wow that's amazing yeah wow he's like you never know the skit like the skills that you gain over life what you get to use them for how long did it take for she recovered um a while uh she definitely i didn't realize the like level of how out of it you are in those situations like for in my that was my major
not understanding you hear story you hear those stories of like people like they're snowmobiling right and they get stuck and they find them naked yeah dead yeah and you go like i had never experienced that or like um seen people in that you hear about it but that's not the first thing that pops in your mind you think like oh i found you everything's fine but you don't realize like the mental toll that it takes on people either um just like not like and being like you know essentially freezing at night it's it's one of those days in nevada where it gets like it'll be 100 in the day and like probably 34 at night or or 80 90 in the sun in the day and then really big temperature swings that time of year in the high country because you're up at ten twelve thousand feet you know probably ten thousand feet something like that and she's just dressed for jogging yeah no no nothing and so she's out there for three days uh going on through day yeah which is in those kind of situations pretty much the verge of death yeah yeah how many days can you go without water about three especially when you know you're already taxed and um yeah [ __ ] yeah it was yeah it was a yeah and i mean on on her end too it took a while just the essentially the ptsd of like an experience like that where it's like you're doing something you you love and your feet whatever and you just yeah i didn't i wasn't it was pretty crazy wow how long was it before she was 100 again um i don't know a while like maybe six months holy [ __ ] well i mean i mean just like of like the experience oh the mind and everything yeah i know like i mean back to like physical shape like a couple days oh yeah bam that's got to be the most memorable one right yeah yeah [ __ ] probably the most scared i've ever been to you know scared for someone else i don't get as scared for myself in most
situations but now having a kid and a family i get scared for them if something goes down for me if that makes sense like i don't i'm not a person that like is very concerned about my own safety in this weird way yeah but i'm very now i've got like well you know yeah having a kid and it's like a game changer it's a game changer you know what's funny uh i it's a weird thing but i actually when i had my i just she's 10 months old now i had my daughter and you popped into my head for this reason of the first time we talked i don't even was it eight seven ten a long time ago how many years ago it's a long time long time ago yeah and you said something and i agreed with you and in my mind i was thinking this guy's [ __ ] crazy oh you said something about it was the first time you're hunting i can't remember if it's on the podcast or just when we were talking you said you're like the first time you went hunting like yeah there's been very few experiences in my life where i felt like that i don't even know if you remember saying this and you said you're like having my kid was the first like it was like that and i don't know if you remember saying that and i was like you said that and i thought that is the weirdest thing to say i could i i can't wrap my head around and then i had a baby i'm like oh yeah i get what he's talking about it is the most primal like yeah it's a very weird experience i was like oh actually he wasn't full of [ __ ] it breaks the mundane pattern of everyday existence in a way that's so undeniable that you realize like there there's like a chemical biological genetic connection yeah that you have to this child and the mother and this experience and like you're so locked in in a way that you didn't think you were ever going to be with anything like you didn't even know that that feeling was available to people correct like i had always knew that people had kids and i love babies i love everybody it's great having kids must be great now you got a kid congratulations but until you see a baby come out of a woman
and it's your child and it's her child and you made this child together and now this child's alive and then every fire every every cell in your body fires up and it's like it's like okay now we're in dad mode now you're in protector mode now you're in you know you gotta like i became way more ambitious i started working harder i was way more disciplined like everything way more attentive i was like holy this is real first time i went hunting i remember just locking eye because ranella took me in that was in montana and uh i remember locking eyes on the mule deer and realizing it was about to go down and then getting him in my sights i dr i wound up dropping i wound up hitting him in the spine and he dropped and then i finished them off we had to get close to him and finish him off and when i finished him off it was like i was like this is like almost psychedelic in the way it changes the way you feel about things like when we were cutting that animal up and then we were eating the animal i was like this is one of the most primal things i've ever experienced and it's in many ways not like having a kid in that it's not the same kind of feeling but it also it's a feeling that you didn't know was available yeah like that it was so primal and so and it felt so natural it's like my body was like yep this is how you do it this is what you have to do if you want to get meat you have to kill the animal once you kill the animal you get this feeling of um completion of satisfaction of like this human reward system that kicks in that lets because for [ __ ] untold thousands of years when someone shot an animal and killed an animal it meant that was going to feed your family and that was a good thing they wanted to reward you with that good feeling so that you could continue to survive and that your genes would carry on and the human race would survive yeah it's like that that's the best way to say it is a feeling that you didn't know was even
there yeah you didn't know it was available you didn't know it's like you can explain it but it's not something same thing when somebody's like oh yeah that's great this that and the other thing okay but you don't know that that shift of something that's just innate that just happens and you can only access that by experiencing it the moment i shot that mule deer i mean and it's on the show we talked about it uh well ranella was like you know so what are your thoughts on hunting i'm like i'm doing this forever i'm like this is this is what i'm doing like that i'm a hundred percent sure this is how i'm going to get meat now like the moment when we were sitting over that campfire and we were eating the the deer that we had just shot you know hours earlier and we were cooking it and eating it and and it was so delicious and it was so fresh i was thinking of course this is what i'm gonna do now this is what i'm gonna do like i'm not i'm not gonna not do this like this was [ __ ] amazing it was really hard to do it was difficult it was nine degrees outside we're camping freezing our dicks off and [ __ ] hiking forever and the satisfaction of of completing the task and getting the deer and eating the deer i was like oh i found some new [ __ ] i really like like this is this is my new thing and since then it's been a giant part of my life and that was 10 years ago exactly 10 years ago when i started hunting it was 2012. wow yeah that's cool it was [ __ ] awesome i i owe vanilla forever for that that's really cool because it changed changed who i am as a person changed my relationship to food yeah yeah it's a weird thing too like when you experience that as hunters there's a lot of people that like oh you go hunting and yeah i mean obviously for me it's a little extreme you got to shut that thing off whatever you know goddamn android phones you don't even know how to shut them off do you no it's brand new [Laughter] dude it's like completely turned off you're one of those guys that's the die
hardiest android guy i know i am yeah do you oh did you go back did you switch back to the app i have two i have an iphone and i the problem is my [ __ ] whole family has iphones and so they they're always sharing they're air-dropping stuff and then i also use this phone as i have apple tv so i use my phone as a remote because it's way better than the remote control yeah it's like they get you they do they [ __ ] get you i know i'm like a i'm a feature-rich guy you know so i'm like and i don't even like to communicate with people so it's perfect like i don't need the sharing i'm just like yeah i'll talk to you the thing about the iphone imessage that's so much better is that you can get videos and images and they'll come in full resolution yeah whereas if you text me a video it's gonna look like diggity dog [ __ ] by the time it gets to my phone yeah i i use uh whatsapp a lot yeah a lot of people like uh i've gotta it's great if you live in another country yeah this is america [ __ ] we don't use one's exactly no i mean this is a small percentage of people use uh whatsapp in america yeah i use signal though signal is really good and signal is very similar in that you could send like higher resolution videos and audio and you can actually use it for calls and stuff like that i think you can use signal for video call as well but it's it's encrypted peer-to-peer so it's not like it's going to a third-party server or anything like that oh cool yeah but either way i've had this guy gavin debecker on as a security expert said listen even so they're still listening to all your phone calls they're still looking at everything you send everything there's no privacy anymore no really he's like there's no privacy i said it's not doesn't have to be like an app that you accidentally download he's like no all they have to do is have your phone number yeah oh i don't send anything i was like oh i don't care who's i say that too but it's not what concerns me what concerns me is that the government these creeps that a lot of them aren't even elected there's just people that are bureaucrats
that have been embedded into the system forever have essentially have access to every [ __ ] person on the planet's text messages in emails anytime you send something they have access to it that's real right now oh yeah and in a text message you don't get the whole context you don't know what you were talking to your buddy five minutes before well i did that bit about it last night i was laughing so hard it was so great because it's so true i mean it's like everything's so out of context yeah if my wife was my employee i'd be in jail it's like you don't you don't know the context around this yeah i mean any you could take any one of the con the text that i send with my comedian buddies that we send to each other any one of them is horrible if you don't understand what's going on like the comedians will say these guys will say the heart most horrible [ __ ] to me through text message just so we could laugh because we've [ __ ] heard it all right i've been a comic for 30 plus years so like comedians that are also comics like to shock them they they'll send me the worst things and the worst images the worst videos and and ha ha ha with a joke attached to it and people like you guys are terrible like but to who to each other yeah no we like it works with us like it's the only way to get me to laugh [Laughter] just so numb and desensitized it's got to just keep going up well it's also like we're playing a game with each other right because like we're in the business together so it's like for for sh to shock me you know you have to send me some ruthless [ __ ] and so there's a lot that comes my way yeah you know it's uh it's funny because i'm i'm paying attention to this amber heard johnny depp trial and i'm realizing like the old text messages if you get into divorce man they'll
[ __ ] come up in a trial oh yeah that trial is horrible to watch i can't look away that i just saw that on the new i haven't even been paying attention to it so i was like i didn't even know what it was if you look at it from my perspective not knowing what was going on and then trying to read stuff i was like what the [ __ ] kind of circus is this right and i've been missing this what it's actors that's what it is they are broken people and it's a system that doesn't allow you to ever become a full like normal functioning member of society because you're coddled and you're treated in this very bizarre way and you're isolated from everyone else except for all the people that are your handlers or the people that are your sycophants or the people that are your you know the people that love you and publicists and agents and people that make a living off of you so that is your existence and then you're married to a [ __ ] crazy [ __ ] who throws bottles at you and wants to kill you if you don't sign a prenup or if you want her to sign a prenup rather and it's wild that that relationship is watching her sit there and try to act like she's not a psychopath while this all this is going on while they're playing the audio recordings of her talking about hitting him and all the craziness like she recorded all their conversations that alone like if that's not the biggest [ __ ] red flag like she recorded dozens and dozens of conversations where he had no idea that he was being recorded it's [ __ ] crazy that's the thing about now so much of everybody's life is recorded yeah and you don't but she's recording i don't know if it's dozens and dozens whatever it was whatever it was that they kept br introducing to the trial but that was her recording things right wasn't it like surreptitiously either way that's a crazy [ __ ] yeah the thing that got me is all the people in the watching the case yeah that was the thing i was like i want to know their story the people that like traveled from around the world to go sit in the
courtroom where is it happening it's in virginia or something right yeah i wonder why they did it i looked that up yesterday it's because uh he's suing her for defamation for like an op-ed she posted and the servers for the newspaper that had our or was posted and or hosted in virginia so there's some law that allows the trial to happen there oh very confusing how strange so is the jury from virginia as well probably yeah good luck with that jury i don't think any jury is going to listen to her and not think she's out of her [ __ ] mind you would have to be the most hardcore man-hating feminist one of those women that's just been [ __ ] over by man after man after man her whole life to the point where [ __ ] all men you'd have to be that woman to listen to that lady and not think she's out of her [ __ ] mind i i haven't even followed it enough to know like she's not testified yet she's only so this is all only going by her recordings and his you know recounting of the encounter and her terrible lawyer she has terrible lawyers too which is fun i love a good bad lawyer you know like one of lawyers objected to his own question really yeah someone responded you know to it and he said objection hearsay she's like you can't object to your own question oh yeah it's just it's just a mess man because this poor guy has been right like like he's definitely a mess johnny depp is a mess a hot mess a hot mess of cocaine and booze and chaos but by all accounts seems like a really nice guy i talked to him on the phone once because he was going through this years ago by the way i talked to him on the phone about the same case because i'm friends with doug stanhope and him and stan hope are hanging out and he's like you know stan hope is drunk he's like hey giant dab wants to talk to you and i said give my number let's talk you know so i'm on the beach in hawaii and i'm on the phone with johnny depp and johnny depp is telling me all the chaos that's going on in his
lives eventually i'll do your podcast and we'll talk about this but uh this is my life this is what i'm going through i'm like holy [ __ ] dude so he's telling me all this [ __ ] and she had threatened to sue stanhope because stanhope published a letter on what a con artist she is he published like some sort of a what did stanhope do stanhope he posted something right it was like a like wrote an article i think while it was all going down and she was accusing him of hitting her and all kinds of crazy stuff uh about what a con artist she is and he's like just understand this this woman is a [ __ ] con artist and he and she threatened to sue him so he took it down but he had already gotten it out there you know to the point where people had sort of started going huh what's going on here and then all johnny depp's former girlfriends were all like no he was never even raised his voice he's a nice guy like maybe yelled but like he's not a not an abuser this is nonsense this is crazy and she said that she uh used a specific type of makeup to cover up her bruises but it turns out that makeup wasn't even invented then like it was it was it was it launched years later so she's just a nut that those are the people you see crying on in films when they act really good here it is posted but johnny depp's being blackmailed by amber heard here's how i know guest column by doug stanhope oh so it's still available yeah the website that i'm looking this up still has it so this was 2016. so this is six [ __ ] years ago and this is still going on that's what can happen update amber heard's attorney says the claim that hurt is blackmailing johnny depp is unequivocally false no no it's not no turns out it's not no she's a [ __ ] monster that's crazy yeah there you go bro you got a good one that's how you do it if you want to have a good relationship rescue him right yeah yeah save a woman from dying of dehydration and freezing to death in the nevada desert and that's how you get a good one yeah that works for me [Laughter]
so you guys go on a lot of trips together now but now that you have the baby how are you gonna handle that uh we actually we've been bringing the baby on a lot of stuff too wow yeah so it's not it's like a chest rig yeah you have to adjust your anchor i originally thought i was going to do that i was like yeah i got this thing and then once i actually figured it i was like that's not going to work at all at all no you get i got these ideas that that was that would knock me maybe you can rifle hunt if the kid has earmuffs but even then you're like you don't want that the backpack thing would probably work but you wouldn't i wouldn't do it because you could if they reached over and touched it's not worth messing with right [ __ ] that yeah you'd have to like duct tape their hands down yeah and i think if you did that that wouldn't be good they definitely wouldn't be quiet if you're trying to stalk something yeah yeah it's have you thought about like introducing your kid to uh fishing and hunting and stuff like that yeah i think i think it's just it's something that we do so much right so it's just part of our life but i've actually thought about it in that in the way of i don't know anything that your parents do and like it's what we do all the time so i don't know if that would be like something that makes her into it or if it's something that will detract her from it i i don't know i'm so careful about that with my kids because my kids did martial arts when they were young and i always like say hey you guys want to take a class or something like that if you want let me know like no i want to do this and my one daughter is really into gymnastics so that's like her focus but my youngest daughter every now and then she'll bring it up because i let her hit me yeah so like she's uh she's 11 now she's [ __ ] strong and she hits me with leg kicks like she's allowed to leg leg kick me full blast which you'd be surprised how much it hurts an 11 year old leg kicks you i'm like this is amazing because like if a grown man my size leg kicked me i'd be a [ __ ] like i'd fall to the ground crying because she leg kicks me i'm like wow
like this is she loves it she loves that she can hurt me i bet then she goes let me do it again okay one more one more ow my dad these are good i'm like these are good solid shin you're you're getting me like right in the meat of the leg like this is good stuff but i don't i try not to push you know my oldest daughter does it with me but uh like with the the 11 year old it's like just a delicate balance of like making it available but not pushing it she likes to fish we fish together but we're actually gonna go alligator hunting together that's going to be her first hunt that'll be yeah that's another thing that's at the very bottom exactly she [ __ ] hates alligator everybody hates them and so uh we were planning this thing to florida and while we're going down to florida you know my one daughter had plans and she was going to do this and her and i my youngest and i were going to go fishing and i saw i was arranging activities for us i'm like okay i got this thing we're going to set up some fishing on this day and i go what do you think about alligator hunting and her little eyes lit up and she goes could i get like alligator skin stuff i go yeah i go we can actually like make bar stools we'll cover the bar stools and alligator skin and we'll eat the alligators she's like okay and i was like okay we got something now so that her first hunt will be a [ __ ] alligator hunt which is a wild thing for the 11 year old that's cool it's going to be interesting alligator is actually pretty good too like that i heard it's delicious if you get it fresh yeah i've only had it fried though it's like can it i can't can you really judge it if it's fried i've never had like barbecued alligator tails have you had it like fresh or have you only had it at a restaurant um i have had it fresh once yeah yeah they say that's a big like i had mahi mahi once my wife and i went fishing in mexico and we caught mahi mahi and we brought it back to the hotel and we had it within two hours of us catching it like literally we caught these fish 20 minutes later after we caught them we caught two fish 20 minutes later we were at the dock an hour later we were dropping it off at the restaurant 40 minutes after that we
were eating it it was amazing it was fish out of all the things like there's a big difference between fresh fish and fish that's not fresh and this was all mahima is delicious but this was particularly like tasty it's like there was something about it and i realized like wow there's a there's something really lost when that animal sits around for a while for sure and a lot unlike most the fish you get in a restaurant or it's been frozen yeah and you don't you really do it it it's weird how it tastes different but it taste it actually tastes less fishy but it's just it doesn't taste like the textures it's more the like the texture and the feel it just is way better it's a way to people have never experienced fish like that no a lot of people never like you catch it and cook it on the shore yeah like catch a trout and cook it like pan fry it right there on the on the shore oh my god it's so delicious but uh they say that's the same thing with alligator that was my point really is that alligator supposedly if you get fresh alligator it's supposed to be fantastic i don't know if i've had it that fresh then i mean yeah be interesting yeah you have to report back i will definitely report back because i'm going to eat the [ __ ] out of that alligator i hate those things i really do i hate them i lived in florida when i was a little kid from age 11 to 13. we lived in gainesville and uh that was back when alligators were protected and uh one of them snatched up this lady's dog and i remember thinking like how gross it is that they let these things just roam around and they're like oh they're protected i'm like [ __ ] them i was 11 and i was like [ __ ] them we need to kill those [ __ ] like this giant dinosaurs running around killing people's dogs and everybody's like well you got to make sure we have a stable population put them in the [ __ ] swamp get them out of here like if you see them anywhere near where people live you should [ __ ] shoot them they're just walking across golf courses giant ones yeah it's crazy giant ones now well now they're open for hunting and now they have a lot of them yeah you know i mean
there's definitely been rehabilitated beyond it's really crazy in some places like i was watching that swamp people show and uh you know they give commercial tags to these folks for you know to go out and get alligators and this guy had a tag for 500 alligators so he had 500 alligator tags like that was his commercial allotment and those are the ones that they sell like restaurants yeah and products and leathers yeah a lot of products and leathers which is hilarious because there's so many of them but california won't let you sell the skin really they're so dopey there's the like they ban the sale of alligator and exotics and they won't sell python meanwhile florida is infested with pythons there's so many goddamn pythons that they've killed all the mammals in the everglades it's crazy something that that's another thing you'd have to eradicate you can't you'll never get a stable ecosystem because there's pythons that we're never supposed to be there never that have nothing to compete against nothing they just swallow whatever they're called they hate alligators yeah we showed a picture the other day of one that had a 12-foot alligator in stomach that's crazy and they're out there hundreds of thousands of them filled the swamps with pythons they did some estimate of the amount of uh wildlife that has been eradicated because of pythons and it's bananas it's like 99 of the mammals in the everglades are gone that's nuts 99 of the raccoons 99 of deer like there's almost nothing left yeah that's crazy and it's just some [ __ ] in the 1970s that had pythons for a pet it's like can't feed you anymore little bro run out of money you knew chuck them in the swamp yeah they just chucked them in the swamp they think they'd be fine and here we are i guess they were fine yeah yeah for a little bit yeah but here we are 50 years later now it's over giant problem there's a half a million of them they think wow yeah you'll never get that under control you'd have to literally drain the swamp you know they told drain the swamp thing
yeah actually drain the swamp but you can't drain the swamp no so shut the [ __ ] up you've got a problem forever and what are you gonna do put something in there that eats pythons well that thing doesn't exist yeah so you're gonna get genetically engineered crocodile that only eats pythons like what are you gonna do you're not gonna do anything yeah yeah that's how does that play out you know that doesn't play out well no yeah unless there's like that that's the thing if you opened up some kind of market for it made it valuable for people to go get them but then you run into that problem like when there's a lot of them it's good and it's worth the money yeah but when it's not worth the money and the time then so the entire goal is i don't know how i think it would be worth the money i think if they i i know they have come up with rewards for people to kill pythons but the fact that florida or excuse me california won't let you even sell python skin is so stupid because it's not based on any logic there's not a shortage of pythons they're just [ __ ] idiots they're just idiots that interfere with people's lives and these weird moral high ground decisions that they make like [ __ ] you you can't have alligator things why how come you can kill alligators how come they think you have to how come wildlife biologists suggest that a certain number of them need to be removed from the population but you can't sell alligator skinned goods yeah because you guys are [ __ ] idiots yeah it makes no sense it doesn't it doesn't have to make sense it's all about optics to them it's like we're gonna ban the use of exotics because you think it's just cruel why is that more cruel than cow leather explain why is it more cute than your uggs that you wear with your sheepskin right explain there's no explanation it's just but that is the fact that that exists at a policy level that exists like the state laws it's [ __ ] crazy yeah i wanna make sure that's true make sure that alligator is uh banned in california yeah i'm looking at it as of uh 2020 yeah january 1st and i don't
this doesn't have a reason why there's no reason why that's what's crazy it doesn't make any sense they'd refer to or if it's coming for all fur yeah various lizards 2023 yeah like again lizards we were talking about iguanas in florida how many people hunt iguanas now oh yeah because the iguanas are they're ever they apparently freeze to death and then thaw and come back to life yeah they just get so cold that they shut down and fall out of trees yeah yeah and then it warms up and they come back to life yeah it's like a miniature hibernation of some sort so weird man it is yeah they i i think they can act there's some animals that can actually freeze solid and then when they thaw out they're alive again i had uh i had like this crawdad trap in a lake and i forgot about it i thought oh [ __ ] i forgot about that trap in his winter time so i had been frozen for a month maybe and i chipped like the ice opened to pull the trap out and there was a frog like a bull frog in it i was like thinking oh well he's clearly dead because he probably would have got in there before it froze who knows how long it had been in there and it was like one of those warm days and it was alive still the thing came back to life i think that's the animal i'm thinking of i think it's frogs i think frogs can freeze solid and then come back to life yeah it made no sense got six animals that can do it whoa including an alligator of course an alligator can alligators don't have to eat for a year kill them kill that thing doesn't have to eat for a year you can just sit there and wait a year that's nuts and then they can freeze yeah yeah they freeze solid too and come back to life because uh what are the other ones uh one's a caterpillars that's not technically an animal uh wood frog caterpillar alligator painted turtle hatchling iguana and a darkling beetle which is also not an animal so iguanas actually can freeze
solid and come back to life wow they're big too that's what's really wow we played a video once with these guys hunting them and uh one guy shot a five foot long one i mean this is a giant ass lizard and they chopped it up and made like a teriyaki sauce and and made like chickens yeah like chicken yeah that's one of the things i guess if you if you want people to eat it you got to change the name of what you're eating and call it like venison yeah venison is over deer right something chilean sea bass like some dog tooth fish or something yeah what do you think we could call it what do you think you can call iguana palm chicken maybe [Laughter] have you ever had iguana i haven't no it's uh it's a weird way to hunt because they hunt them in like canals and people's backyards so it's very urban like there's tons of video so they use bow fishing equipment and they just rifles yeah a lot of yeah well there's a lot of bow fishing equipment because you hit them and they don't always go down oh gotcha they jump in the water and then you got to pull them out but they're [ __ ] big man these are big creatures and with all the food that's available in florida they you know they have just constant food taking over yeah they're big something to feed the snakes i suppose maybe i don't think they live in the same spot unfortunately the snakes stick to the swamp and the the iguanas stick to your yard oh they're aggressive they'll run after you too which is not fun no being chased by giant lizards yeah yeah there's got to be somebody that can market that like make dino nuggets out of them or something like that what is that what do you think iguana entree prepared on the grill is plated and ready to be served what is uh this article from usa today about uh iguanas falling but people eating them in latin america and trinidad there's tons of video on youtube of uh hunters and fishermen that are killing
and eating iguanas and they say it's good like i guess it's probably like one of those things you've just figured out how to cook it correctly yeah it looks like white meat too yeah probably like like anything fish or chicken puerto rico there's more iguanas than people the government launched a program in 2012 to kill and export as many of the lizards as possible many on the island have also tried to popularize iguana consumption but resident residents haven't warmed to the idea you got to do a pr thing it's got to be you've got to change the name and people have to kind of lose the thought of an iguana because i think there's certain things people don't wanna eat they just gotta get hungry or get hungry yeah yeah with a food shortage i mean iguana eating might just spike i don't know i mean is there enough to sustain people maybe there isn't puerto rico but that's about it puerto rico and florida that's the thing like those things they need a really like even in florida sometimes it gets too cold and they fall out of trees people have died because they fell and hit them in the head really that's that's bad luck that's not good yeah forget about lightning how many people died from iguanas watching the trees for frozen and going that might be true though there might be a rumor find out people actually have died from i would imagine some cars have had damage oh yeah i imagine cars i guarantee a few people have been clipped have to yeah but how much is an iguana way like actually one of the big ones probably pretty [ __ ] hefty like this one lady who shot one she was holding it i don't know how big she was but she had her arms outstretched like she's holding up a marlin and this this goddamn giant dead lizard is in her arms and i was like i had no idea they were that big maybe she's a tiny lady or holding it out like yeah yeah right that's a tricky thing it's hard to tell the perspective shots right yeah that's a big thing with people with uh animals like hiding behind it when they take a gripping grin yeah that's something that um
i think they changed that but youtube for a while was going to they were going to stop people from showing animals being butchered and they were going to stop kill shots i don't know if they did it but i remember it was a big conversation and a lot of people that have hunting programs and i know you do uh solo hunter and you release those those are on youtube right yeah and i've got my own youtube channel as well did they use a lot of stuff on wind up implementing that not that i know of i haven't seen anything so you didn't even pay attention to it no you know what it might have been is like sometimes like the if for people that monetize stuff there's different rules as well which i understand you know you're getting random advertisers on there and they might not write certain things so some people might have had problems like oh they're they're blocking this from whatever well you know it's more based on the monetization thing because there's there's you sign up for different rules when you when you do that yeah yeah that's a that's an issue that happened during the pandemic where they really ramped up on the amount of episodes of things that got demonetized and a lot of people thought like oh this is like some sort of a plot to censor people and like it's more a plot to make money yeah they just want to make sure they maximize the advertiser money and the advertisers essentially are the ones that dictate what kind of program is allowed on the the network one of the things that we found out during the pandemic was that uh pharmaceutical advertisers are 75 percent of all the ads on television i believe that isn't that wild yeah just can't find anybody dying from uh i can't find anybody getting injured from it near freezing temperatures have led to many falling right out of the trees they call home this morning while unusual it's not the first time iguanas have plummeted to the ground from trees due to a sharp fallen temperature okay so it just says they're falling yeah just it can be dangerous if they
land a male might weigh up to 20 pounds or something like that yeah somebody told it to me and i was like hmm i'm just gonna start saying this what people have died not unrelated to right now when we were talking about the tiger with the clone tiger meat the other day yes i was trying to look up hard where does even where do people even need to eat that like where are they eating tiger steaks right couldn't find it well it's not available yet there's the company the startup is about do you even desire that why would no one want to have tiger meat no there's no commercial oh yeah no nobody eats it i'm sure people have eaten it in the past but there was this one article that i read i want to say it was in vanity fair or esquire something like that but it was essentially this guy had infiltrated some there was like a club and they would meet and and they would meet like once a year i think it was in china and they would eat endangered species and they had like you could they could they would serve you like lion and they would serve tiger they would serve [ __ ] that you're absolutely not supposed to eat and then there was like this secret club of people that would get together in and eat like a gourmet meal of endangered species i'm all for like eating wild meat but sustainable wild meat that's like really weird i i wouldn't go out of my way for something like that obviously but obviously it's it you see some stuff too i guess uh i saw an article they seized this dude that had in spain some private museum of all have you seen that it's like this they uncovered this museum he had a full-on natural history museum in a warehouse of very rare some like extinct in the wild animals but you also you don't know where some of the stuff came from either but it was like this is dead or alive yeah i did like taxidermy whatever but pretty much
everything and not knowing where he got him or how he got him i guess did he uh spill the beans i don't know about that all i saw was they had like pictures of it and it was like it looked like a pretty legit museum was this recent yeah it was maybe four days ago oh wow yeah yeah some people i mean you don't have like a trophy room in your house do you no what do you do with all do you mostly euro mount your stuff yeah i've got some stuff around the house but i don't i don't have we don't have a lot of space so there's a guy that i know that has uh a lot of dough he's got a lot of cash and he's got a a room in his house that's i want to say it's as big as like what's a good it's as big as a small restaurant yeah and it's filled just filled with taxidermy like it's like you go in this room it's like oh my god like everywhere you look it's like sheeps and deer and it's just all kinds of stuff that's a the trophy room is a weird thing that's a weird one i don't know you know like as there's certain parts of hunting where people that don't do it don't understand right like is that it's like okay you've got you know this deer here right i look at it and it's just a deer but you look at it the meat from that deer i don't know if you shot that but yeah if you did it's like the meat is long gone mm-hmm right everything's gone but when you look at that you like that animal lives on in your memory way longer than anything else that you would ever get at the store or anything like that like you have a personal connection with that when you look at it yeah it's almost it's a weird thing to explain to somebody that doesn't hunt but in a way it's like i love animals so much and and maybe in some ways like that's almost honoring the memory of that animal to you it certainly is and it's in many ways it's art it's nature's art i i look at a skull and i only have european mountains for people that don't know what that means a european mount is it's just the skull and the antlers together when you
see a stuffed mount like of a deer head on a wall with you you're looking at a doll it's like fake eyeballs and underneath it is like a foam sort of like a sculpture yeah it's a sculpture and oftentimes it's not even the actual hide of the animal that you shot like if the animal you shot is a [ __ ] up hide they'll they'll give you a cape that you can put over you or you could buy one that you could put over your mouth so it's the only thing that's really from your animals the antlers everything else is just [ __ ] yeah but in some ways you know you're like okay you look at it as a hunter and you're like okay it's like it looks like the thing yeah you're like that's right it's a lot of like i've got a friend's incredible taxidermist and the stuff that he does is is it looks like art yeah i mean it's really good listen it is art yeah i mean when you when you know you mount a mountain lion it's like this ah and you remember that you actually shot that mountain lion and it's it's in your house now you can look it's a great visual representative but my mind won't let me do that my mind goes that's foam that's rubber this is fake that's a fake nose it's faker eyes this is fake i hate fakes yeah i don't like this get it out of there like i've never wanted to have like a shoulder mount like i look at them and i'm like that's that's a doll yeah it's not real this is to me like nature's art like to see a skull with antlers even if i just found that in the forest like a deadhead of an animal that had been killed by a mountain lion or something i when i look at that it's it's art to me i mean i think it's i'm fascinated by just like there's so much beauty to this i mean just looking in the the nasal cavity and you see how complicated it is and you realize like this is an animal that has to survive on its nose how important its nose is you look at that enormous opening that it has for taking in sense yeah you know and then you see the eyeballs and how they rotate on the side of the heads and they're like way off to the side so they can see things from both sides and behind them almost
in front of them and just i'm amazed i i just think they're [ __ ] gorgeous yeah it is cool yeah that to me is way cooler than covering it up with a doll it's also crazy that they just no matter what it is well anything with antlers grow back every year i know it's nuts well the elk is the most nuts yeah because it's so much so much five was it like five inches not necessarily length inches but in size wise five to ten per day really growth yeah of essentially bone it's that quick yeah i mean not like not like it could be you know you're taking like measurements around circumference of the entire thing yeah i think i read that it's the fastest growing bone in all of nature it is yeah yeah that's incredible and you you shot a giant one last year right yeah that was that new mexico that we were talking about was your hand broken back then yeah it was yeah yeah i was like i had to get through the whole season without uh but you use a wrist strap anyway right which is probably good for that yeah because you pull back you're not using you're not grabbing something with your hand to pull right yeah i wasn't doing lots of reps right pulling it back because you did feel it like there's a few times you pop or do something weird but um yeah i was still able to do it and it just got through it have you ever thought about revising reviving that show apex predator uh you know i have i was like i that was one thing i i really enjoyed that show i thought a great show was super cool and i feel like it might have even been a little before its time in some ways and you just didn't have the right support and you know like it was like tv was like it was fairly expensive to make and then like it was on a network that didn't want to spend a lot of money and then that network it was like the network kind of peaked and started fall you know it's like yeah tv viewership went down and everything like that so now everything's digital or on streaming services or something like that but i would definitely love to do it again
with the right you know i don't know there was a lot of interesting things that we learned doing it yeah a lot of interesting things i learned yeah it was one of the things like you do this the hunting thing your entire life and then i've just always been fascinated by nature and what nature teaches us what it learns there's so there's so much crazy [ __ ] out there i think you know you like think about aliens i'm like there's way weirder stuff here we just are used to it well you told me about octopus yeah i had no idea how bizarre they were i like that became this you are the source absolutely of my fascination with octopus yeah octopi i guess you'd say either one octopuses octopus octopus octopi but when when i watched your show when you first of all you came on the show and you explained to me like dude they're aliens yeah absolutely and there's i mean there's things even i feel like i know a lot about animals and or a lot of different animals and then one day you'll i'll be like looking at something i didn't know there's an animal called the slow loris i guess it's a venomous mammal what didn't even know that existed i hope that that's right because i just read that i was like how did i not know that unless it's some unless i was reading some you can't trust anything anymore that's the part that sucks you just uh a slow look at this thing look at that thing yeah it can secrete venom wow but the venom is not toxic in all species interesting there have been reports of people getting bit but they are typically safe as pets what is pets bites from a slow so it's kind of like almost like a sloth yeah i don't know how slow they are though bites from a slow loris can be extremely painful and have been known to cause illness and even death in humans in some circumstances and they have pygmy slow lorises too wow what a cutie yeah oh it's like a it's like a rattlesnake chinchilla cross look how adorable oh my god that's the most adorable creature i've ever seen
he's holding a little piece of fruit going please leave me alone i don't want to have to use my venom on you oh that might be the cutest little thing i've ever seen in the forest oh i like the description cute but deadly yeah look at the baby one oh yeah oh my goodness yeah they're big they look fake the eyes look almost fake adorable yeah there's just some weird stuff out there every day i'm learning something new no crazy things in animals that specialize in something that you think man it's like we it's there's technology that we don't even have yet that animals are just doing yeah you look at nature and a lot of the things that we aspire to make animals can just do well one of the things that i i really loved about when you do the the solo hunts and solo hunters when you went to africa and slept outside yeah and and hunted solo with cameras and i was like that's a ballsy move yeah that's like some survivor man type [ __ ] yeah that's i i mean i i love that aspect of hunting and survival and just kind of going out and living off the land in many ways i don't know i enjoy that experience of it it's just it's how i connect with nature well you you also when you do it you take living off the land like fairly seriously like i remember the one hunt that you had in nevada where you're essentially out of food yeah and you were starving yeah and you you kind of purposely did it that way yeah i think in well i ended up going out and then ending it like the hunt wasn't going real well so i had to stay longer but instead of hiking out and then spending all that time i just used what time i had and just didn't have any more food so i just continued to hunt in which case my body was really just eating itself how many days did you do that for it wasn't uh i don't it was probably like a week worth of time and the time that i ran out of food wasn't super long but also you're burning a lot more calories you're hiking hard in in high elevation so my body is probably burning five to
five thousand calories a day in those kind of conditions and then you just don't have those calories and then i end up shooting a deer and and then having to pack it out i actually ate the heart uh just raw there to get enough energy to you ate it raw yeah is it the first time you ever did that no yeah i've done it multiple times many times actually but there you there used to be this thing kind of like when you shoot your first animal you know you take a bite of the heart right it was like a traditional thing that people would do and when i was guiding i would like people that were new i'd be like okay here you know do this and people would always be like oh no that's weird and so i would do it like [ __ ] i was like nothing's gonna happen and then i had some guy was i told him about he's like cool and he's like super and he just bites the heart and takes abuse and he hands it to me and i look at it and there's parasites in it and that was the last time i did it so i didn't tell him you didn't tell him that there's parasites in the heart oh he'll be fine how was he okay yeah as far as i know i mean maybe he has heartworms now but i don't really know um i was was i listening to rinella's show someone um caught trichinosis no no um what was it oh toxoplasmosis that's what it was they caught toxo from eating deer meat and i was like that's crazy like toxoplasmosis is uh i think it's called toxoplasmosis gondii it's uh it's a parasite that you get from a lot of people get it from cats and uh it's a very strange uh parasite because it rewires this it's one of the most bizarre parasites because it rewires the sexual reward system of rats and it makes rats attracted to cat urine and it makes them fearless so the way it this parasite uh is it grows and spreads is inside a cat's gut and the way it gets inside a cat's gut is to get into a rat first so it gets into the rat first and tricks the rat into being horny for cat piss so it goes where the cats are and like you see them like literally chasing cats
and cats are like what the [ __ ] and these are rats with toxo and then the cat will kill the rat and then the cat will get it into humans it's either from that's one of the reasons why they tell women when they're pregnant to never handle cat [ __ ] never deal with cat cat poo because cat feces can contain toxoplasmosis and they can get into your system it also affects people in a way that makes them more risk taking and uh there was a there's a guy named robert sapolsky he's um i believe see anthropologist i think psychologist and maybe an anthropologist he does a lot of primate research sapolsky's been on our show before but one of the things that he did was uh when he was a resident one of the doctors that he worked with in the er whenever they get motorcycle victims he would say check them for toxo and there's a disproportionate amount of motorcycle victims that test positive for toxoplax plasmosis because they think it makes them take more risks that's great i never heard about that that's nice yeah that's that's another weird thing in nature it's not just weird it's so prevalent in areas that are uh like tropical climates and in areas that have a lot of cats they have a huge population of the people might test positive for toxo like in france at one point in time more than 50 percent of the population was positive for toxo really yeah it's crazy and it's a it's a parasite that affects the way you think it affects the way you behave the fact that it sends the rats to the cats i mean it's in some way it's like it grows in the rat and then it's like okay now a cat needs to kill you so i can live i think it needs to reproduce in a cat gut is that what it is i think that's what it is is what does sapolsky do is he a psychologist or an anthropologist neuroendocrinology researcher and author current professor biology and neurology and neurological sciences at stanford and he's done some amazing work with primates too like amazing work with orangutans and or baboons rather and some different primates and just like studying the way they think and behave
but his work on toxoplasmosis was what drew me to him because i remember reading about that i'm like what because i've had a lot of cats in my my childhood i'm not i'm scared to test to see if i can have it and once you have it you have it forever believe so yeah i think it makes you a little reckless does it but it doesn't live in your brain yes oh it does live yeah yeah it lives yeah it gets it's like a prion of some kind i think it infects a lot of tissue but it it affects your brain i'm looking up i just typed it in with deer so i'm getting a lot of the deer stuff but uh there were reports in canada wisconsin and then i just scrolled down and saw 200 free roaming cats and 444 whitetail deer were tested positive for the parasite in ohio northeastern ohio so the thing is feral cats [ __ ] all over the place and piss all over the place when they [ __ ] all over the place deer can get in contact with their [ __ ] and they'll pick up toxo gotcha and so then you will shoot a deer and you get toxo from that deer that's yeah so i wonder if that's like if it's a deer near like it's got to be near yeah houses yeah near houses and pets and yeah other things yeah like a lot of the places i hunt i doubt i would contract that right like mountains and mountain hunting areas yeah the mountains like no there aren't many feral cats there but have you ever seen the australian bow hunting magazines that they show feral cats as trophies i have yeah bizarre yeah it's weird greentree gave me a magazine he's like mate on your flight home check this out and i'm i'm on a plane reading this magazine i turn a page and there's a guy holding a cat up with a [ __ ] hole in its chest i want to put this magazine away until i get home yeah that's another thing man they've got so many unique species and feral cats are just wiping them out how do you control that in the in the mountains and like just in the
wild well in australia they have a giant problem with them they don't know what to do i mean they've wiped out ground nesting birds and so many different species there yeah they pay people to hunt them yeah i watched a documentary about this guy who hunts cats and like his whole house is filled with cat fur like he's making like cats yeah have you seen that guy he seems pretty crazy yeah he's making like cat fur like covers for his dubai and yeah i saw that yeah it's just something [ __ ] yeah yeah i would think like it'd be more most efficient to probably trap them in some way but i don't they're hard to probably get control of the numbers is there any place that you haven't hunted that you have like a goal to go to to experience um i don't know i mean i think there's lots of cool places around some of the a lot i think there's a lot of reasons to hunt different places for me i like that adventure of going somewhere new and like seeing that culture and and and connecting with hunters and places it's like this is where they do they've been doing it a certain way for a very long time and just kind of like learning from those people there's places in central asia that i think would be pretty cool and in places that you know you don't really go to visit it's like it's not a prime destination for vacation right so how do you even find your way into these places and explore these places and meet these people and it's through hunting so there's a few places um like that that i think it'd be cool to go and just kind of like experience that with those people you see actually mongolia is one of those places i think they've got like a really cool nomadic culture and hunting's obviously a part of that you know it's they're moving because they're following food sources and don't have like haven't or for a very long time that permanent settlement so it's like a nomadic culture i think that's very i'm very intrigued by that well i mean that's a giant part of their history like it is genghis khan one of his whole things was that they didn't respect people that live in homes yeah because
they lived in these felt tents and people who didn't live in tents were [ __ ] yeah that's that's how they thought of it yeah it's really kind of wild that attitude yeah i don't know i i feel like it's just like it's a cool it would be a cool thing to experience some of those people what are they hunting over there uh i mean they've got everything they've got elk they've got they really have elk and mongolia earl stag yeah oh wow um they've got species of ibex goats obviously they obviously hunt with the eagles a lot sheep what kind of sheep is that that's pro that's probably an altai argali i think look at the horns on that thing oh there it is mongolian argalis yeah look at the horns insane yeah those are pretty crazy oh my god it's amazing that whole world of sheep hunters that's a whole different world huh look at that thing yep ibex god that's gorgeous the antlers on that thing are intense yeah that that's pretty cool the hunting with eagles yeah they hunt with eagles i saw them on a wolf with eagles yeah wolves foxes it's um that that whole sheep hunting thing is a strange subset of hunters because it's a lot of rich people that go on these bizarre dangerous adventures to hunt sheep and i was like that's interesting that that like somehow another caught on with a lot of these like wealthy trophy hunter type guys yeah yeah i think well the opportunity it's it's a like uh it's an economic thing in a way where there's not a lot of let's say there's not a lot of tags right so the price of that one tag just keeps going up but the reason that price of that tag needs to be so expensive that's what's helping the sheep populations come back right it's it's there's no other management for these like very i would say like a niche species a species that's living somewhere that needs a lot of resources of things like
in the state of nevada actually there's more sheep in the state of nevada than any other sheep or any other state outside of alaska as far as the united states and it's because of like hunter conservation dollars and projects and building helping you know restore habitat with drinkers and water things and all that kind of stuff and they auction off the like auction off in pretty much every western state one sheep tag and some like the montana one goes for three hundred and something thousand dollars wow you know they raised like i think it was like uh the wild sheep show this last year they raised like 10 million dollars i think at their banquets wow for just cheap conservation it's like who else is putting 10 million dollars to conserve something like that and that's just one event i mean there's thousands of those events throughout the country you know so it's like there's there's a ton of money going into the research and the uh restoration conservation all kinds of that easements to in like some they're actually like one of the biggest threats to wild sheep is domestic sheep crossing and like giving them uh brucellosis it's a called movie it's like a it's a form of pneumonia oh and it'll wipe out like it's the biggest threat to wild sheep populations so you got maybe you've got somebody that's been grazing sheep for 15 generations on whatever land so they're actually going in and buying out grazing permits and all that kind of stuff so it can be so those wild sheep populations don't encounter those domesticated sheep and building fences to keep certain domesticated sheep from wild herds that's that's big projects right now and even just studying that disease it is a it's it's a weird subset of hunting though because it's a difficult hunt it is but it's wealthy people yeah like there's a lot of like old rich guys that go on this like incredibly dangerous difficult endurance hunt for sure that's weird right yeah i think so yeah i think this like they they like that just like anything you know you get a certain kind of it's a real adventure in some ways where it's like you're pushing yourself to certain limits and
that's the way that they experience it yeah um uh brendan burns and jason harrison and they'd gone on this one of those trips for kuyu and they were were talking about like the what they had went through and i'm like you know hairston at the time was a millionaire yeah and he's out there like almost dying yeah you like punish yourself yeah yeah i don't know for me in some ways i think it's weird but um maybe not not everybody relates to it like this but for me it's like my enjoyment is through the suffering of it like i feel like if i'm gonna be out there then i need to be hurting in some way it's like this weird masochistic thing of like if i'm gonna kill something i mean i you could go on a hunt like i could go out here in texas right i could go sit in front of a female yeah and i could shoot a deer and it's like yeah okay well it's it's providing the same end game right it's providing me for myself but it's not like i don't like i feel it's just not for me it's not the same it's like i want to kind of hurt in some way i want to like experience it in some way and i've like personally if i go on a hunt like i pick my hunts based on how difficult they are because it's like i i don't want the gimmies and there are hunts where you go out it's like uh it was easier than i expected or or something and i just don't i don't i don't value it as much so for me personally it's like well i'm gonna go do those things that are it's hard and i gotta struggle for it and that's it's just i get that experience and then i also get the same end result hopefully i get meat that i get to take home and eat and that's that's the way that i do it and it'll be a different experience eating that meat than if you just sat in front of a feeder for sure like there's i i don't even think of that stuff they do out here as hunting i think of it as harvesting food and there's nothing wrong with that and if you want to eat wild game that's probably the best way to ensure that you're going to get wild game set up in front of a feeder and this is just a way to harvest food and you're going to get it pretty quick and
you don't even have to be in shape but the difference between that and like the experience that i talked to you about about montana that turned me into a hunter like that was a difficult arduous experience it was days and days and days of hunting and hiking and and glassing and freezing your dick off and climbing up to the top of a ridge and not high density of deer and you know just trying to find them yeah and then when we did find it like the the feeling of success after the difficulty is what makes it all worth it if it was easy like we got out of the you know we got on a boat we pulled over the shore like oh there's one right there bang shoot him okay that's hunting right it would be too easy yeah you know like you don't want it to be difficult because you want to suffer you want it to be difficult because you want the success to be worth it because you suffered for sure that makes sense it's like a weird reward thing that flips on you because as the hunter i know that what i if like you went if you cooked an elk steak right now and i cooked an elk steak and it's like you you cooked nail stick of an elk you shot in an elk steak of the elk i shot the one that you know you took in like that entire experience is more rewarding like you're gonna choose that elk steak i mean i live off wild game meat but it's not like i i go to like when i go to a restaurant i'm not ordering elk because it's not it's not it doesn't taste the same to me it doesn't taste the same as something that i took or was a part of there's like there's like even something that maybe there's it's like a certain kind of seasoning through sweat in some ways like the harder you work for it the better it tastes because it's just that like reward factor well there's a there's another element that comes into the play it's like you have memories of the experience and also like when i think of a wild game animal like an elk that's penned up and that they feed and then slaughter and then serve to restaurants i get bummed out yeah it doesn't bother me with cows like when when a cow goes to slaughter i'm like yeah that's what they do that's right but if
uh you know if someone's doing that like domestic deer i'm like ugh yeah it seems horrible i don't want to support that yeah i don't know it's just i think for me it's more just you know i like the experience of getting it myself are you still uh filming stuff for solo hunter you still doing yeah yeah is that primarily where you're doing your filming stuff no actually i've been doing it more i've got um i kind of did my i just started like last year uh just doing my own youtube channel that way i can do stuff that's not also that's also not just self-filmed so i'm still doing some of the solo stuff but a lot of it goes on my youtube channel first just like a remy warren youtube channel that is starting to grow that got to be the most difficult way to hunt i mean think about like bow and arrow is difficult bow and arrow traditional is more difficult traditional bow and arrow while you're self filming most difficult i think so and that's what you do sometimes yeah yeah i love it in some ways though i'm so used to self-filming now that it's easier for me to cell phone than have somebody with me filming because i can control everything like i've done it enough where i feel like i've gotten really good at it and for me it's actually easier now to do the self-filming thing than to have somebody there filming with me oh yes it was somebody that had like the same hunting skills which is really it's like not really feasible to find somebody that does that and films or like does a good job filming too so that part for me it's actually harder to have somebody following me around with a camera than for me to film myself well when i went hunting with renell the times that i've gone one of the things that really struck me is what a [ __ ] job that is for the camera guys yeah because like they're a not hunting b that's just a job but it's they're there 24 hours a day oh it's like there's no going home they got to do they got to do all the things everybody else has to do but they also have the camera and try to capture something that and not and not mess it up either and how do you pay them by the hour are you counting the
hour that they're sleeping on the ground no it's it's all salary [ __ ] you get paid per contract on those kind of things like that sucks and stuff that's a sucky deal unless you're one of those people that really loves it yeah and really loves like there's there are guys out there that love struggle they love difficult things they love being in difficult terrain and filming them and capturing it like that's a passion of them to capture you know like um just get the most accurate visual representation of the experience of hunting yeah and of being in the wild like brandlyn shockey's really good yeah he's really good at it he's really good at that he's like there he's an artist in that genre like there's people that just sort of turn on the camera and point it in the right direction and then there's people who like you see them in their work yeah you know yeah yeah there's and when people are really good at it i mean it's just like anything else man it's a craft it is hard to accomplish well that's how i got into interested in hunting is watching hunting television shows like my wife had endured me watching television shows on hunting for years for everyone hunting she's like why are you watching that that's that's and that's actually one of the things well because when you first reached out to me it was like hey i've been watching the solo hunter thing why are you watching like you know like yeah yeah learn a lot that's the one thing i didn't even realize about solo hunter is you know people that the comment that i give is like man i learned so much i was like i didn't even know i was teaching you anything i was just going out there doing my thing and people like really liked that aspect of like okay i'm like seeing how you're doing something and maybe i've never seen it done in this way ever before well i i really love solo hunter too because you're when you're doing it you're talking to yourself and you're talking to the camera and there's something pure about that that is just you alone out there
like i remember there was one where you were hunting and you uh stopped to go fly fishing or you stop to catch trout and then you cook the trout like you know that was like your lunch that day and i remember thinking man that's gonna be a [ __ ] cool experience he's by himself he's hunting and he's like let me just stop and catch a fish for the day yeah and he'd catch that fish and cook it then you're back on the hunt again yeah yeah it's a lot of fun yeah now there's like there's like that alone show you know yeah that's really taken off yeah that's but that's different though goofy yeah it's you know well i like the real deal i like when you're just doing it yeah you're just doing i mean that's just like whether i had a camera or not it's the exact thing i'm doing no matter what and that's the thing that i loved about that is you know there was just like okay i'm here i'm documenting what i'm doing and taking people along for the ride again one of the other ones that i really enjoyed of yours was when you uh decided to camp out in this uh ancient native american site oh yeah that you had found on the hill that they this abandoned site like that was pretty wild yeah it was just like a wind break and yeah i think they used them as blinds originally so it was up on this plateau i actually ran into uh on a previous trip an archaeologist that was up there and he they were thinking that that might have been one of the first they're around this lake and they're saying like in that area maybe one of the first like kind of per not like a semi-permanent place where they would keep going back to that place like during the summer um and then yeah you'd see that they'd build uh blinds essentially and then probably my assumption was they'd build those blinds and then heard sheep um wild cheap oh towards them yep yeah interesting yeah all right remy well listen brother it's always good to talk to you always good to catch up with you um if people want to get a hold of you uh it's remy warren on instagram do you use anything else to use facebook or ever every social media
yeah all of it and uh remy warren on youtube remember more interesting on youtube yeah and then live wild podcast if you wanna yeah it's great your podcast is great yeah tactics or whatever slowly but surely people will be indoctrinated into your world yeah well thanks brother appreciate you coming thanks for having me my pleasure all right bye everybody [Music]