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[Music] all right david smith how the [ __ ] are you very good sir thank you for having me back sir always good to see you [ __ ] you too last night was fun yeah it was great good times and tonight should be fun too hell yeah hell yeah doing gigs out in texas with joe rogan right when things are all calm for you and relax everything's great normal but did you see yourself becoming the most important man in the universe that's not real it's just uh attention no of course not who the [ __ ] could would ever see that yeah it was pretty unbelievable you took the logical progression from being you know a stand-up comedian it's an mma analyst to bringing down the entire regime in the united states of america bring it down well i can i can wish yeah well you that's you though you're that libertarian cynicist who i don't think of it as i think i was being an optimist when i said bringing down the regime well what the [ __ ] replaces it all those like all the the crazy antifa people that want to burn it all down like we gotta destroy democracy like and replace it with what well that's a that's a yeah i think for them like the chas or something i don't know exactly remember that yeah i don't think that's going to be much better but i'd be okay with maybe like something crazy like uh like the bill of rights i think that'd be cool just to have i'd be okay taking a step back toward that but it's that that attitude about bringing it all down one of my favorite ones i know i sent you this before jamie it's this woman who said to stop fat phobia we have to destroy western civilization that seems a little extreme that kind of but that's my point is that like that is the attitude that it's so silly you know that they're saying something like where you like you haven't thought this through at all like you don't have a real plan but you just don't want people to make fun of you being fat so you think that the best way to handle this is to
destroy western civilization i'm trying to find it it's going to be really disappointing when she destroys western civilization and then finds out people still make fun of her for being fat look at this to end fat phobia we need to dismantle western civilization it says philly therapist can you imagine someone who really needs a therapist and that's who you get as your therapist like i feel like i feel like she would definitely force that into therapy like you're like i don't know i never really communicated with my father and she's like do you think we need to destroy western civilization but it's like if you just tell her like ma'am if you just lost weight you'd be feeling better you'd be better it'd be better for everyone you would have less disease you'd have less problems your joints wouldn't hurt you'd have more energy yes it would be objectively better for all everything about your life all aspects of your life you'd be happier your hormones would work better your whole endocrine system would function more fluidly your heart would work better you'd feel better we uh some somewhere along the line in this country we we became allergic to harsh truths like anything that just is like look this is the truth but it's probably not going to make you feel warm and mushy to hear this yeah i got another one i gotta send jamie this right now because it's so [ __ ] stupid it is uh adele got in trouble last night this is like what or what is happening this like this is this literally makes no sense so adele did this i mean i don't even what you would call it they were calling it gender neutral some gender neutral thing and she talked about how much she loved being a woman and they were mad at her that's very offensive they slammed her she was slammed for telling neutral award show that she loves being a woman like you can't love being a woman it's horrible you you have to be gender neutral like us
be like us we're so tolerant i'm i'm appalled she loves being a woman that's that's so intolerant yeah really she should be tolerant and just be like them only and only think like them all the they them people she should only be like them yeah it's a that's a it's a very um insane request you know what i mean like it's i think it's a reasonable request to say hey listen i don't fit into these norms and i would like to not be treated you know like mistreated yeah that is a reasonable to say that i demand that everybody else also does not fit into the norms which the vast majority of human beings like the vast vast vast majority consider themselves to be one of these two genders yeah so to demand that they stop doing that so that you're more comfortable is a that's a it's like if someone is in a wheelchair and they're like hey i'd really appreciate it if you built a ramp or i'd appreciate it if you don't like you know i don't know something but if they go i'd like everybody else to sit in a wheelchair and wheel around right so that's the only way you can get around that seems a bit unrealistic well it's this is apparently a gender neutral award show which i don't understand and i understand why she said yes going to it almost i'm looking at the response to it it says the audience gave support and then all of the slams are coming from twitter of course and i looked at some of the tweets and they're already protected so i can't see them the audience at the time didn't realize that they had just heard such a horrific thing said to them yeah they weren't aware they had to get online and find out how they should think yeah man all this stuff though it does it's you know it's like the reason though why all of this like woken sanity is so pushed by all of the big corporations and by the the media and like all this stuff is because doesn't it just serve as the perfect distraction like while everything's crumbling and there's so many real things like the the 20th century for the united states of america has been a disaster thus far
like coming from being the most powerful country in the world coming out of say like the 90s to what is it 2001 starts with 9 11 then like seven disastrous wars the worst recession in a hundred years or something like that the donald trump gets elected there's covid there's this the shutdowns this whole thing it's like a disaster and they're like what we really need to talk about what we need to focus on is that this woman said she loves being a woman the other day and i find that very problematic that if you were like one of you know if you're like one of these corporate you know uh big corporations or some hedge fund manager or something that's just i'm just saying it's awfully convenient it's a very good distraction it does keep you from concentrating on it and one of the things that i was talking about last night and the thing is that like to actually think about that number one it requires you actually think it requires you actually you know watch something or read something and know what's going on then it also might require that you reflect on yourself and what role you play in all of this like i'm quite happy to ignore that and just have my new cool phone whereas just being outraged about someone saying a word you don't think they're supposed to say that's easy it takes no it takes no sacrifice no introspection nothing so it people just focus on that but we have an uh an unbelievable problem in this culture with our hierarchy of outrage it's not that even some things maybe aren't wrong or you shouldn't be upset about them but like where does this rank right in terms of other outrages i mean like there there could just be like uh it's like oh there was a the biden administration had a drone bomb you know killed like six innocent people and that's like the 1037th thing yeah that people are outraged about today and the number one thing is just always something that's like this shouldn't this should not even be in competition with that right like what are we talking about like the rock pretended to be a chinese guy 13 years ago yeah we need to go after him now but man that video of you commentating while he does it is hilarious god bless the internet god bless the geniuses on the internet well they when you step out and
you you say something silly and he said something silly well that's the that's the thing though is that it's like it's almost like it's an interesting thing also because you have so many like so much support so many people love you that now you have all these people out there and it's like so what do you guys want to do here you really want to go to war you want to bring up everything everyone's ever said that was like not the right thing to say they got the young turks i wonder if they had started talking about it first and then they got them with that video or if they just went right for them you know i don't know i don't know i don't watch them yeah i i haven't watched them in a long long time i used to yeah it i did too it got unbearable some what happened um something happened and i don't know if it's a tension there's something that happens to people it's very difficult to stay the course and be who you are and i say this as a person who gets about as much attention as anybody gets like alive you it's hard because so many people are looking at you and also i have like managers and [ __ ] and like dude should you really do this and should you really do that and they talk to me in the phone like hey hey gotta go i'm high like i'm not changing right like i'm not changing anything about what i do i'm a good person i'm a nice guy but if you're asking me to like become something different because people are paying attention like well i'm out because that's not what i signed up for i signed up to just be myself but something happens to a lot of people when they get a lot of attention where they start to lean towards the things that get them the most attention or lean towards the things they feel like get them the most support or they start to react to the reactions of other people and then they become reactionaries they become different than who they really are and one of the things is they lose their ability to have a charitable take on things they lose their ability to be compassionate for other people and they start looking at things very ideologically very dogmatically and they start falling into these traps you'll see it
with right wing people you see with left-wing people and they they they get somehow another they feel like their emotions and outrage and yelling and and being insulting it enhances what they're saying yeah it enhances their take on things and it doesn't it doesn't it doesn't work like you should be maturing as you're sure it's okay to be outraged it's okay to insult people but it's like it should have like weight to it it should make sense and when you're doing it and it doesn't make sense come on like what do you you did you not have a filter are you having too many other people influence you like do you not have any meditation time like why are you changing like what what are you becoming or is it something more sinister than that which i think it is for some people where it's like you know exactly what you're doing you don't even really believe in this you know that's outrage but this is a convenient way for you to kind of pile on and kind of take out your enemies there's a lot of people like that yeah there's a lot of people like that the the instance that's that's dark it's so sad like it's like people are looking but that's also why it doesn't it's not very effective and it's not very popular like it's kind of popular with some casuals but it loses support because if people don't feel you're sincere if they don't you can be wrong but you have to be honest like who are you like who i don't i want to know who you are i don't mind flawed people every [ __ ] person i love dearly is flawed all of them i like flawed people i don't mind flaws but i want to know what you're thinking like why are you thinking what you think are you thinking what you're thinking because you've thought it out is it your opinion today and tomorrow you might come along go you know what i thought about what i said and now i think differently because this that and the other and okay good now i like i like even more because now i know i can trust you to course correct i can trust you to be honest about your missteps or why you
were thinking away that and upon further consideration you revised your opinion but if i think you're bullshitting me if i think you're doing something because you're just trying to get attention [ __ ] all the way off i'm not interested now so i think you i think you just hit on like exactly really the essence of why you're so big and the essence of why the corporate press hates you so much is that you you have this connection with your audience where they know it's not like your audience thinks you're right about everything they know you're not lying to them and that's a really important distinction it's not necessarily like you might be wrong about some stuff and you often will admit it's like i got this wrong or whatever you'll correct yourself in real time but they know you're not lying to them and people can smell that like on an instinctual level you watch cnn and you know they're lying to you they're not even attempting to have an honest conversation this isn't russell brand do brian's delta oh sorry oh have i seen it i've seen it i've climaxed it [Music] it's the greatest thing ever it's the perfect example yeah it's so fake dude did you see the thing i can't even remember if this was the segment he was doing but there was this one if you talk about like having some self-reflection some introspection there's this segment where brian stelter is literally on air complaining about how people trust you and don't trust the media and he's like but joe rogan just gets up there and wings it that's what he's got this huge audience and everyone trusts him and then we have journalists and newsrooms and fact checkers and they don't trust us and you're like dude can you you are really going to talk about this and not have an ounce of self-reflection and go hey why is that why is it that people don't trust cnn why is it that you can't go to half the country without them chanting cnn sucks why is that well a new york times reporter actually wrote about this and he said instead of demonizing rogan let's find out why people trust him so people started attacking him yeah
why do they why do they trust him over us and people like [ __ ] you i i play this [Music] sounds great but not all opinions are created equal who just wing it who make it up as they go along and because figures like rogan are trusted by people that don't trust real news rooms like why don't people trust me and i trust rogan but i'm perfectly trustworthy look how loose my tie knot is irresponsible he took horse maggot medicine the other day now tell me sir and don't tell me anything other than this should there be a war yes there should be a war interview's done i'd like to see you doing that joan rogan which sounds great but not all not all opinions are created equal like i mean that's yours are but that it i mean he is wrongly vaccinated chart what is that chart what's that thing to the right new death seven day average jesus christ what are you selling what is that but by the way you want to talk about processed information how processed is that new deaths seven day average like uh okay show me the comorbidities roll right none of the they're not going to show you any of the data that is actually relevant they're not going to break it down in a meaningful way but i i just think that somewhere along the lines in this country now that we have the opportunity to because of the internet and podcasts and things like this and and because guys like brian stelter at cnn these guys have been so in the 21st century alone so catastrophically wrong about so many important things like so many that nobody trusts them anymore they they smell that this is phony and they don't want that and i think what you i don't think intentionally but i think just because it's your nature what you kind of figured out is that people were really craving just an authentic conversation yes where people can be flawed and people can just talk about you know things that matter and talk about them from a real perspective and just have a conversation i'm not putting on a show
for you here i'm not going hello everybody and welcome to the joe rogan podcast today and this blog like none of that let's let's be human beings here and that was really attractive to a lot of people and i i mean look man these guys you know listen the amount of contempt i have for the corporate press i cannot like overstate i mean these are in my opinion and i think an opinion that's like he said not all opinions are are equal like i think this opinion is better than his they are objectively the mouthpieces for war criminals that's that's what they do and the idea that they would have the nerve the nerve to accuse you of spreading disinformation i mean it you know there's like as there they've been uh um you know pushing this war propaganda between uh russia and ukraine you know what's so weird that i haven't seen come up is that you know vladimir putin had bounties on the heads of u.s soldiers in afghanistan oh no you know what they don't bring that up because that was a lie that was all that's right you guys just you guys just pushed war propaganda between the two countries which own 90 percent of the world's nuclear arsenal you pushed that on based off a lie and you also said that the last president was installed by vladimir putin on some russian conspiracy but why don't we hear about that that much what is that oh yeah because that was a big fat lie not to mention the fact you know assad is still in power in syria but whatever happened to the fact that he was gassing his own people oh yeah that was a big fat lie and we know that now because there's been like five whistleblowers from the uh the opcw um uh that that have come out and explained that all of the evidence pointed toward that it wasn't assad who gassed his own people and i i mean libya they said qaddafi was about to go genocidal against his own people uh uh a study in the um they did an investigation in the british parliament determined that was a complete lie i mean like one after that not obviously everyone knows weapons of mass
destruction and iraq was a big fat lie and these are lies where hundreds of thousands of people have died as a result of the lies so not just spreading misinformation misinformation with catastrophic consequences where like real human beings have had their lives ruined and then you would be behind that whole apparatus and have the nerve to accuse somebody else of spreading misinformation when they spread misinformation about you yeah specifically about it and they sent their doctor in here and all he could say when you confronted him on that was like yeah no i guess they shouldn't have said that and then turns around goes back on cnn and goes yeah no we never lied about that like people see that i totally say that he that's actually kind of a confusing thing you could look at that out of context and i think sanjay gupta is a good man what happened was he was talking to don lemon and don lemon said that it is true that these drugs are used in like as whatever i'm paraphrasing in a veterinary application right and then he said yes it is but and then he wanted to keep talking so like it's not a lie but he was trying to but don lemon would talk over him and also he's doing the thing remotely and if you've never if you've never experienced this before what happens is you put an ear thing in it's like if dave and i were in another city and we were doing a show remotely like on cnn he would talk to me and there would be a slight delay and then i would hear him and i would talk to him that slight delay ruins all flow i i've done those things several times you're right about that it is a very weird thing oftentimes you don't see the person you're talking to sometimes they have them up on a monitor but a lot of people can write it's very awkward however he could have you're right he didn't really do it it was don lemon who was kind of using him as a prop to to it's really true that it is a veterinary medicine it is a horse dewormer but you know what he didn't do what gupta didn't do and i don't know him as you say he's a good guy like okay but what he didn't do which he could have is said no we shouldn't have said
that about him yeah that shouldn't have been said which would be very easy to do i that takes the minimum amount of integrity to just go no you know what it was really misleading to say that the guy was taking horse medicine that is not true he is a he's an academic and he's a neurosurgeon like he's a practicing neurosurgeon i mean we're talking about a guy who's working like a hundred hours a week like no [ __ ] he's a legit doctor and a good person like i've talked to him off air he's a good person not everybody has that kind of ability to confront things especially when you're dealing with a like an enormous structure like cnn that is overbearing and you're talking to a guy like don lemon who's a big personality who's like the now he's the head guy he's the head guy there like brian stelter stelter's like you know well don lemon is probably like the most trusted yeah now that cuomo's going to really jake tapper is the only guy that i think is like a legit journalist like when i listen to jake tapper i don't i don't ever see him say things that i think are just [ __ ] ridiculous and disingenuous i think he's as legit as they get over there but it's like how legit can you be over there and also i guess maybe in defense half in defense of dr gupta would be that there would be consequences to pay if he did that even just something as simple as that yeah he'd be in he'd be in real trouble but they bring in that lena windchick for all his gigs but we need more yeah right exactly she's just she's willing to [ __ ] she's like we need three masks if we don't have three masks 85 of us are going to die well not anymore joe the science has changed oh the science has changed now the signs she said she said the other day that we need like a third group now who recognizes that the science has changed um so basically it's like there it's like we recognize that we did everything right but the signs changed now and so now that would be wrong to keep doing everything and so now let's stop doing all the craziness go to james lindsay's twitter page he had something about her like i didn't even know that she had said that's so
outrageous and he said don't forget that this is the same woman that said this just like a couple months ago about unvaccinated people like some ridiculous quote about unvaccinated people by the way which many of them have had covet many of these unvaccinated people like myself and like my friend dave smith we've had covid and the cdc has finally come out and said that if you have had covid you have better protection from delta by something like 6x which usually when the cdc comes out and says this it's what anyone paying attention has known for a very long time but yes they are finally admitting now that what all of the studies have indicated that natural immunity is substantially stronger not like a little bit stronger much stronger much longer lasting it's it's just in every way the best protection you can have yeah i mean i wish that wasn't controversial did you find it all day so i don't know he tweets all day i'm just looking at 30 times so what there's a lot of tweets he tweeted an hour 30 times in an hour hours ago there's like five 10 more imagine being his wife get off the goddamn phone the [ __ ] is wrong with you it's if you it's further down i know i i assume so keep going [Laughter] hold on i love him but god damn he he's a twitter warrior oh yeah no and he's ready he gets into it with people he goes back and forth with them he's out there he's swinging what would it have been like yesterday it could have been yesterday it could have been yesterday that just you know twitter's curated in a weird way we just like i only open it like two or three times a day because there was a time like yesterday or the day before where every time i would open twitter and i'm not i don't look in my mentions at all but it was all about me i was like jesus christ my mentions were all about you so i can imagine yours would be i'm looking for something that's escape i'm trying to find out about ukraine i changed a little thing in the top corner to like change the timeline so it's in chronological work they reset it every
so often oh just like um i'm just i think i'm i'm one of the things that's happened over this most recent cancellation i've spent substantially less time online and it made me feel better not just because i'm not reading about me like mean things people say about me or supportive things that people see about me which is a lot of it it's been very nice i really do thank all the people that have been very supportive very loving i really appreciate it but i just don't think it's good to even read stuff that's not about you i think what i see to be reading is like [ __ ] ap articles like news articles i should be reading like real news that's what i should be reading that's kind of it like all these hot takes i mean maybe i should dip my [ __ ] toes in that pool every couple days or so but the reality is like that's not good for your health because these perspectives they accelerate the culture war because you see like this ridiculous perspective like people getting mad at adele for saying she loves being a woman and you get angry like for no reason you're like what the [ __ ] and then you chime in and well it's it's unbelievable how much it creates this uh there it is oh there we go i think is this the stuff no okay well that's one of that's pretty funny though she said it's easier for people to get vaccinated when they don't have their freedoms we have four posts here that are all that's it that's the one unvaccinated people should not be allowed to leave their homes yeah there you go look at that this is [ __ ] september in september unvaccinated people should not be allowed to leave their homes honey i mean that's crazy what about an unvaccinated person that's recovered from the aren't you a doctor yeah well what drives me crazy about this also is that it's not just like the right like there's the it's not even as if she's following the science right because the science would tell you that their favorite term follow the science this science would tell you
that actually um you know someone with natural immunity is safer leaving their home than a vaccinated person and also that there there could be a million other metrics but what about someone who has a negative covet test exactly but regardless of all of that the thing that drives me crazy about the you know like when uh dana white got uh confronted by that uh reporter who said are you a doctor you know are you a doctor it's like look some people there's a fair argument to be made to say that like a virologist has an expertise in viruses yeah that the that the rest of us don't have and that's fine it's a less strong argument when you're censoring all of the virologists who disagree with you right but regard once you're talking about public policy then everybody gets to be a part of this conversation you can't just because you're now talking about you may have a little expertise um but your expertise might be in viruses or if you're like an um you know an epidemiologist in the spread of viruses or an immunologist in the immune system or something like that but if you're talking about okay this policy will contain this virus it's like yeah but are you also taking into account what effect that would have on the economy what effect that would have on the psychology of the people what are you all of these experts and now you're talking about how about just the belief in liberty i mean like you're telling people because they didn't consume a pharmaceutical product they're not allowed to leave their home i'm sorry being a doctor does not give you like some expertise in that that i as a regular free person am not allowed to also have a say in and like my my uh counter to that is like over like over my dead body are you gonna lock me in my house like am i give me liberty or give me death am i not allowed to feel that way isn't that wasn't that supposedly the spirit of this country so that's that stuff just like this this is a really evil authoritarian mindset that's on display there not just that like hey i think it would be best if we did this but that i believe i have this medical expertise that now gives me license
to strip other people of their most basic freedoms the the most basic freedom the freedom to leave your house do you think it's enforced on a corporate level do you think there's conversations about this or do you think it's encouraged and then when do you think it's like what we were talking about earlier when it comes to like different podcasters and youtubers and the like that once they start getting attention for a certain thing they lean into it and so that warps their perspective do you think that's what's going on i don't i don't think it's just one or the other so i think there's multiple factors going on with a lot of different people so part of it is that and i've experienced this a little bit when i've like kind of been in in little bits and pieces in the corporate press world it's a very insulated bubble well you should talk about that the time you used to work with see eat cup yeah yeah so you did a thing with brian stelter oh yeah yeah yeah no i met all these guys i did i did panels with them i was uh so i was a why did they stop calling you well i was a so basically what happened was i got uh hired by um essie cupp to be uh i liked her a lot she is i will say very different politics than than her um she was nothing but great to me and gave me an opportunity on her show and i'm very grateful for that she holds herself up with dignity she always does she is uh he conducts herself very well i don't know her super well like we did the show together a lot i was doing it like several times a week and we we would do the show together and work together we never like hung out or anything like that so i don't know but she was always nothing but very nice to me and i really liked working for her she was very nice um i think she's wrong about a lot but um but so they hired me uh at her uh she had a show called unfiltered and i was one of the contributors on it and i think they had no idea what they were getting with me i think they were like they were like oh dave's like a stand-up comic and he makes jokes about politics so perfect he'll come in here and be funny and they dude i mean they they had when it first started they had a segment at the end of the show where every contributor got to bring their own topic
you know like their own like here's the topic i want to talk about and this is what's going on in the news and i they literally called me at one point cause like four days in a row i had talked about the war in yemen that was like all i wanted to talk about every single time i was like this is the worst thing in the world it's the biggest humanitarian crisis in the world hundreds of thousands of people are dying babies are like vomiting themselves to death and it's all because america's supporting the saudi-led war over there we could end this in a day with a phone call and then it'd be like tomorrow what do you want to talk about it'd be like well the war in yemen's still going on and babies are dying and we could end this with a phone call and they're like the fourth day they were like you have to talk about something else you have to pick a different story and then the fifth day i went in and i was like the war in syria is all america's fault and babies are dying and we could end this in a day and then like uh they stopped doing that segment where the contributors got to pick their story at the end i don't know if it was because of me i think it was because of me but i had some fun moments on there um where i'd get to like argue with with all of them and then like as it went on and on i think it just uh i think it just wasn't helping her and she didn't what they just they started using me less and less and uh they they did renew my contract i had a six month contract then they they renewed me for another six months but then by the end they just stopped letting me talk about war like if war came up i just wouldn't be on the panel anymore they'd bring in one person and kick the panel off and little things like that so i kind of got the hint and then by like the last two months i was just like listen i could just walk away we don't have to do this and what was you had an interaction with brian stelton yeah so i was on a uh a panel with with brian skelter once 2017. um and the topic was uh what brian stelter's favorite topic is was uh you know misinformation on the internet because he's the guy his job is to basically be the guy who covers the
press so he's the beat reporter on the you know the media how does it and every week he comes in with uh you know his assessment on the corporate press and he goes a plus doing great work except fox news everyone else is doing great but the real problem is there's this misinformation out there and i uh there was a video at the time and it was uh i believe it was like the number one watched video on youtube of the week and it was a stupid video it was it was about how um the parkland shooting that that shooting in uh florida at the high school there um was an inside job it didn't really happen it was all crisis actors and all this stuff it was stupid just dumb conspiracy that's not true at all the shooting happened people died um but he was going off and off about how dangerous this was and why people you know how do people believe this stuff and i was basically saying to him like the thing i'm trying to to say now like it's like well have a little bit of self-reflection ask yourself why is it that people don't believe you guys and and i was arguing with i was like look there's so many real conspiracies that you guys won't cover that are really interesting but you won't cover it at all here so then you leave you seed that ground to somebody else and i was this was all fair but i was talking to him about like why i used to listen to alex jones back in the day like what i found so interesting about him and i was like well back in the day i found alex jones and he's talking about all these things like you know operation northwood and stuff like that and i was like there's no way that's true that couldn't be real and then you go research it and you're like oh it is real explain that to people who don't know what's talking about operation northwood was this plan it was a uh during the the kennedy administration so in the early 60s and jfk was president i don't know 62 maybe um and basically they had this plan which was signed off by the joint chiefs to uh have a false flag attack to shoot down uh an american plane and blame it on the cubans as a pretext for war to to go to war with
cuba and john f kennedy heroically uh said no like what are you guys insane like no you imagine i'm coming when you're president you don't really know how they run things and you get in there the joint jesus tap pushes that onto your desk yeah they want to arm cuban friendlies and attack guantanamo bay and you're like what yeah wait a minute wait a minute there's no real you like a fake war you're making a fake war like you're faking an attack and you're like so but how are we going to convince people that they actually killed people because we're actually going to kill people and then we're going to blame it on the kids you're going to commit an act of war on america now to any normal person i'm sorry you look at that you go that's [ __ ] interesting man yeah like that's crazy that our government was willing to do it then and then doesn't it lead to a series of next questions i'm not saying a series of next beliefs but questions if they would do it then would they do it now right were they so dirty then but they've cleaned everything up now what evidence is no one was punished that's the thing it's like there was no one jailed one guy was punished one guy a few times yeah but other than that like no one did time so like everything evolves and you got to think that if this is the attitude of the joint chiefs and various people behind the scenes in 1962 why are we supposed to assume that that somehow or another is better today and 60 years later all of the kind of like deep state entrenched powers have only gotten more powerful since that i mean like this was very new like the cia was created in the 40s so you got to think at this point in time this is a fairly new thing yeah like we didn't really like this this was new this was supposed the cia when it was created was supposed to be basically like a newspaper for the president like the idea was like they're going to gather information and and give it to the president so he has good information good intelligence about what's going on it wasn't going to be like some paramilitary organization that goes and launches covert wars all around the world like this this grew into this
monstrosity that it is today and has been for decades and but anyway so i was making this point to brian stelter that it's like you know and then i i said on air at one point i used the example i go you know obama signed into law in the national defense authorization act of uh whatever year it was i think it's 2011. i might be wrong about the year but it was one of the ndaax that obama signed into law had the provision that you could detain american citizens without charges and hold them indefinitely and and obama noticed that provision himself because he added a signing statement to it that said my administration does not plan on doing this you would never use that we wouldn't use it but i'm signing it into law still and i go that's that is dangerous and and at one point i said this was on air at one point i said to brian stelter i go out i go now listen those you know now the fact that people don't trust the media and that there's all these conspiracies in plain sight that aren't reported on this manifests itself in silly things sometimes like some video saying the parkland you know school shooting was crisis actors it didn't happen and he corrected me quite outraged and said it's not just silly it's not just silly it's dangerous and i said to him i go what's much more dangerous is the president of the united states signing into law the right to detain american citizens without charges and hold them indefinitely and a media who doesn't cover it and you know it's much more dangerous as weapons of mass destruction are being created by saddam hussein that leads us into war with iraq and i i just don't understand it's almost like i don't know if those guys are like being intentionally dishonest but i don't understand how you couldn't think that through and realize i think they are i think there's a a bridge they won't cross yeah there's a bridge they won't cross where certain things they won't discuss they're too problematic and they just leave them alone and then they'll focus instead on things that are easy to digest and that a lot of people will agree with yeah but the result of that has been what that the trust and media has completely collapsed yeah their viewership has completely collapsed and
now they're furious that you you know they're like on some show on cnn talking about how dangerous you are and and they this show on cnn you probably have easily 20 times more people listening to your show than theirs so that's the result of all of that we have news groups we have a lot of people working behind us we have reporters we have people who study and all of that jamie yeah that's right you got jamie and google he's one-handed google he's not even using two hands and he's better and he's beating all of those guys he's getting you real-time information much quicker than sometimes i mean sometimes it's confusing like google's confusing i prefer he uses duckduckgo but that [ __ ] he's sticking with the google no for people who don't know jamie really runs the show here what's that i know how to use it it's it's not hard to use duckduckgo jamie doesn't have time to figure out duckduckgo he's a busy man that's my default search engine sir well you do get stuff on there that you can't find on uh yeah you want to look up some nefarious stuff that's the place to look yeah and and you know but it's unbelievable the kind of and so my guess even back to what you were saying before my my suspicion is that it's part that people are very insulated in their world and they kind of like have this thing where it's like well everyone agrees with this because everyone they talk to agrees with that so that is that's an issue with new york and la in particular that that's very true and then within those circles within new york and l.a like it's not even they're not even getting out there and like talking to like firefighters in staten island you know what i mean they're in like the upper west side or something or you know um and so there's that and then i think there's also a lot of these these like these games the corporate press game the politics game that like all of these the bureaucrat game they tend to be a magnet and then they tend to be an area where very dishonest narcissistic people are
like they're drawn in and they rise up those are the people who are like drawn in and those are the people who are rewarded by those systems so you get a lot of those people and then on top of that i think there is some blatant flat out lying corrupt people who are straight up in bed with big corporate interests who are there to do their bidding and not there to know exactly what they're doing like they might be uh maybe working with uh intelligence uh agencies or they might be working with whatever pharmaceutical companies or things like that and they have an agenda and they are just lying now i'm not saying that's everybody but i'm saying those people exist as well that people like it's there are people there i mean you see these think tanks that like are funded by weapons companies that push for every single military uh like uh um every tel every single uh military intervention now i refuse to believe that this is all just the fact that like raytheon and lockheed martin really believe it's a noble cause to fund a think tank that wants to push for military intervention i think there's corruption there i mean i don't think that's too you know crazy of a reach if you want to be a part of that system there's rules like if you want to be a part of the cnn system or the msnbc system there's rules there's rules in the way you communicate you don't have free rein and it's a problem that's why people like crystal ball and sauger and jetty are thriving that's why their breaking points show is killing it yeah it's why kyle kolinsky's killing it it's like jimmy dore is killing it because people believe them and they'll give you uncensored unfiltered honest information and their real opinions on things well that's it though it's like people have the perception much like with you that all those guys you just named that they're not lying to them and the reason is because they are not lying to them yeah that doesn't mean they get everything right but it means that they're not intentionally deceiving you and there's no one behind them pulling their strings yeah when crystal and sagar went live that was a very important moment because it wasn't like the hill was holding them back and i
think rising on the hill the show they do now is excellent it's still very good i love it a lot i i still watch i think they do a really good job the hill is really as far as like structures like a i mean it's kind of a corporate structure that disseminates the news it's very good it's probably the best one outside of these independents and but to be an independent in today's day it's hard it's a sneaky thing you have to you have to find your way through the salmon river you know and and climb up the net and you got you got to get through somehow you got to climb up the ladder it's hard it's not an easy thing to do and that's one of the reasons why i try to boost their signal like a matt tybee or glenn greenwald or anybody that's a legitimate independent journalist that i think is doing really good work you got to like highlight these people this is what we need to be paying attention to guys who work for big companies that are like josh rogan who's legit as [ __ ] who works for the washington post like these people are out there they're real they're out there and you can trust them yeah there's there's still uh a few people out there who are doing like really incredible work they are um but they're they're few and far between yeah but there are those people out there and like i think glenn greenwald is a great example matt tybee's a great example there's two of the best examples aaron mate is a great example an excellent journalist um and those are uh and i would say um everybody uh at antiwar.com that's really if you want to know what's going on with foreign policy in this country antiwar.com i go there every single day it's like the best news coverage of what's going on everywhere who are in the world uh scott horton the great scott horton who's on austinite uh by the way he lives here yeah i gave you his book uh on afghanistan back in the day he just wrote a new book called uh um enough already which is like a history of all the terror wars i can't if you want to read one book and understand what's going on with all the wars read enough already uh it's incredible scott horton is a genius did you give me it back in l.a huh did you give me the book back in l.a yeah it was back in l.a
probably studio library it's still in l.a yeah well we're going back to get it we're going back to scoop up most of the uh studio bring it back to here because the gym is moving next door oh yeah have you been been next door no i don't think so oh boy oh you're expanding this into wild dude yeah okay here we go yeah yeah we got a lot of wild [ __ ] we got a yoga room we got oh geez yeah you're turning this into more what the la thing was bigger way bigger twice as big all right yeah there you go you got a lot of wild [ __ ] here it's always throughout the years it always gets like crazy or crazy i remember the first time i ever did the show um at it was before the crazy huge one uh in l.a it was like the original studio out there and it was like it was real like you know it didn't it was you didn't know exactly it wasn't clear where the studio was and i was looking it up and trying to find it from the address and i walk in and fir i i knock on the door and no one's out in that first room and then i just push and the doors open you know and i'm like i'm nervous i'm coming to do joe rogan experience for the first time ever and i just walk in and i was unsure if i was in the right place or just walking and i'm like hello and then i look over and just see the big wolverine werewolf i think i'm in the right place we got a new werewolf coming too i'll look at you pat mcgee made a new one with all hair the other one was like fake hair some of it and some of it's real hair the new one's all hair it uses yak hair you've done something really incredible here joe i don't know i don't exactly understand it but it is incredible just do what you like yeah yeah it's there's something just really like uh one of the things i find really interesting right is like in the push to i guess the push is to shut you up is more or less the from the surgeon general to brian stelter to all of the people who are like you know whatever the all the the artists and all this stuff who are like you know whatever want you d platformed or
something like that it's like okay so even theoretically let's say they got you which they're not going to but even theoretically if they did it's like is that really the problem what what do you do with your audience but like do they think if you just stopped doing this if you just quit tomorrow then everybody who listens to you would just go okay i guess we'll just listen to brian stelter now i guess we'll walk right back into that world well the thing is they've been able to silence some people right like they were they were able to silence milo like milo doesn't exist anymore he was removed from the public conversation which is wild because if you go back to like 2016 was it like what was the year where milo was everywhere he was 2000 i think 16 was really the year and then maybe 2017. he was a phenomenon crazy in that he was a gay guy who was like really right-wing but also really [ __ ] smart like he was on bill maher right remember was on bill maher and bill maher was comparing with christopher hitchens he went on he that was a it was shortly after that that he got taken down because he went on bill maher and he killed it yeah on bill maher and i think that was almost like the the moment where it was like we better do something but i think there was a lot of things happening but it was the leslie jones thing it was the leslie jones things because she was in ghostbusters and you know he had said some mean [ __ ] about her and you know called her ugly or something like that and maybe some racial stuff and then there was a bunch of people who also tweeted at her and then apparently the accusation for removing him from twitter the accusation was that there was a bunch of other accounts that either him or the same ip address was using my perspective on that was like he was was he worked what organization was he working he was originally no he was originally with
breitbart and then i think he left them at some point that's right it was breitbart daily wires uh sorry ben ben shapiro in fact i think uh ben shapiro and him had a real beef i believe ben shapiro was the sub like one of people want to say that ben shapiro's a [ __ ] nazi or he's all right he was the subject of the most anti-semitic attacks no he said he's not that little hat's a nazi that's what the that's what the nazis were joe it was like for a whole year actually yeah the whippy thing liz first of all i 100 support whoopi's ability to express incorrect opinions yeah like i don't think she should have been removed from that show at all even though those ladies try to d-platform me all the time i don't think they should be deep platform i think the best way to counter bad opinions is with good opinions and i don't think there's anything wrong with someone expressing and i don't think what she said was so ridiculous ridiculously outrageous i understand her perspective i don't agree with it at all but i and also historically it's incorrect well yeah literally hitler was trying to create the ultimate race like saying that it's not about race is like that is everything well it's about right so it certainly was from the nazis perspective yes and it certainly was from the jews perspective both groups considered themselves a separate race so i you know i now look i'm jewish and my grandfather escaped uh uh nazi germany and the rest of my family was all slaughtered there so on on behalf of jews i forgive people because dad was yeah his dad is tattooed but it also wasn't the thing is yeah i know it's not the problem here is that there's no like uh sanity or nuance so it's almost like if she said the wrong thing then we have to treat that like as if there's no difference between if you said i don't think it was a racial issue i just think it was an issue about humanity and how evil men so if you said that or if you said um i don't think the holocaust ever happened or if you said i believe the holocaust happened and i wish it would happen again like as if there's no difference between those three things you know what i mean like exactly we treat all of them
it's like well you you misstepped when speaking about the holocaust therefore go away so what she said was inaccurate but it wasn't malicious and it wasn't like a i hate jewish people type thing and then the next day she goes uh i got that wrong yeah i was wrong about that i apologize any sane world would go thank you yeah i appreciate that and that's how we work things out when a prominent person like whoopi goldberg has a misstep and then corrects herself and apologizes then we all get to understand things that the the correct way to handle that is to leave her on the air and have more discussions about it maybe have barry weiss come on or maybe have another jewish scholar come on like have someone come on and say well this is why that this was offensive to other people and i'm sure she would be apologetic but by the way bad person she's not a bad person by any stretch of the imagination she's trying to express herself but her perspective which was it's personally oriented on being a woman who's experienced racism towards black people so she's looking at it like these are white people and then the germans are white people too which is understandable you could understand where from a black woman's perspective who doesn't know what she's talking about now she shouldn't acted like she knew what she was talking about but whatever but that's what they do yeah that's literally that's a business model 90 of people do as you know but she but where you would look at them and go okay but they're they're all white so how could this be a racial issue the other thing that's interesting is that it's like do you consider jewish people to be a separate race because if not if you if you say jews are white then technically you could argue that whoopi goldberg was correct even though the nazis believed they were a different race and the jews believed they were a different race if you think they're all white you go they were both wrong so it wasn't technically a racial issue but again this is right to me i go if the the nazi's ideology was completely motivated by genetic racialism so yeah i would say the answer there is that yes at least the the perpetrators
of the holocaust were saying that they were doing this you know to clean out and create the you know the aryan nation descendants from atlas or whatever their weird uh ideology was but i do i do think that you know even talking about like the milo thing and with a lot of these other guys one of the things that i really hate and i wish we could fix in america and i really i think like to to be successful to be a like um a thriving country going forward we almost need to grapple with this and this isn't like laws or policy this is just kind of a spirit of liberty and tolerance that we need in this country where like for me for me personally if there if there's a person you know sometimes you have these people who are like very contrarian kind of provocateurs and they might let's say they say four things and one of them is like kind of interesting and one of them is like blows your mind and you're like that is such a good point like such a phenomenally good point and i never thought about things that way and then they say one thing that you think is dead wrong and then they say one thing that is wildly offensive and wrong now the what the woke police and the council mobs will focus on is the one thing that they said that was wildly offensive and wrong and therefore they should be canceled for that but to me i'm like i like that guy he says every now and then he'll say something that's really thoughtful and makes me think about things in a different way yeah and then when he gets something wrong i can disagree with him i don't want to cancel people because they occasionally get things wrong i think that a lot of times those types are the ones who will hit on a really important truth yeah and that we need them we need them around we can't constantly silence them and you see even what you were talking about before when you're done but don't you think there's value also in correcting them and and finding out what their mistakes were and also then we get to see how they react yes because if they have said something that's wildly incorrect and then someone comes
along and says hey this is why you're wrong like with the whippy goldberg thing like this is literally about race like they were trying to create a master race that that was their plan right they it had been so stated read mind conf like like listen to hitler's speeches he was trying to create a master race it was racist like just because we're talking about melanin you know we're right we're talking about you know origins of uh original you know ancestors like that's that's you can't just say it's not about race but the way to deal with that is not to suspend whippy goldberg whoopi goldberg shouldn't be suspicious she's not bad person she's like anybody that's on tv spitting out hot takes with four people talking over each other you're gonna say some dumb [ __ ] they're all talking over each other that is the worst first of all there's a reason why i have headphones on so so the people know because when dave and i are talking especially if there's a third person here it's very easy to talk over each other you don't want to and when you hear i hear your voice and my voice at the exact same level it makes you aware of it it locks you into the conversation and you don't talk over each other as much they don't have that so they talk over each other constantly so that creates like a kind of there's an anxiety to express yourself and like you you're under the gun and it's like they also have a time constraint because the each segment is only you know whatever minutes long because they have to go to commercial it's not a great place to discuss discuss things that are nuanced it's not and they don't give each other the room and the space to talk about things they don't have the time they need more time there's a reason also why this show is three [ __ ] hours long because i feel like there's some things that every now and then you'll run into a subject that needs an hour and a half on its own and it needs no interruptions and we need to work things out and talk things through and even then i might have to revisit it a week from now or i might have to you know talk about it a month from now and you find out more about people that way you find out like how much they have to
say yeah something instead anyone can come up with a sound bite or repeat a sound bite um and in a lot of times in those shows people aren't even interested in uh in in having a discussion like that they're just trying to get their talking point off yeah and then you know kind of drown out anybody else but i do to the point you were making like yeah i think i think there's real value in those people than being confronted and then seeing how they respond to the thing but also it's not what's important to to know is that you don't know necessarily beforehand whether they're right or wrong about that point because maybe they're confronted and then they have a really good counter argument yes and then you go oh [ __ ] actually maybe you're right about it you know and so it's just like this can't this whole thing is going to go in such a bad authoritarian direction which we're already going in if you if you want to say we decide what the official narrative is and anybody who goes against that is crushed or silenced or mocked or ridiculed or whatever and then that's that then we just go with what the official you know like what the regime decides the talking points of today are i mean unless the regime is always right that is a disastrous path well even then it's not enough information you need more people communicating the the regime by itself should not be the only people that get to discuss very important nuance complex issues you need other people you need different perspectives you need scholars you need people that are psychologists you need people that are you know whatever philosophers different perspectives help give you a a mandala of ideas that you can kind of like look over the great landscape of thoughts and say oh okay and then find out where you sit into these things like there's people that are like very pacifist very peaceful very non-confrontational they look at things very differently than a person who's aggressive who's who's maybe too confrontational or yes and you need both yeah you need them all yeah i was uh i was so i was uh me and my wife were there's a couple years ago it was like right before all the coveted stuff but me and my wife were at uh like a
family friend's uh house having dinner and she's a college professor and she had a few of her friends over who are all college professors and we were in her living room like having drinks after dinner and this one guy who's a college professor he uh he leans into me and kind of like in a low voice he goes uh he goes you know i actually agree with a lot of your politics and i remember just having this moment of being like why are you whispering [ __ ] like we're in our mutual friend's house like is this a dangerous thing by the way this guy is super smart way smarter than me he's like a really really smart guy uh like teaches at a very like good university but there's a personality trait there that's very like a little passive like i don't want to rock the boat and if there is a time when say the establishment let's just say is all pumping the same narrative about i don't know for the sake of argument mrna vaccines who knows what it might be but if everyone's pumping the same narrative there's a certain personality type who's going to be willing to stand up and say i think you guys got this wrong i think there actually might be something much more to this and that's not always necessarily just like the smartest person there it's oftentimes someone who who has some intelligence but also has the personality to be a little bit confrontational to be willing to say something outside the box that's how experiencing yes yes exactly and that's also the same type of personality often that will say like if they get it wrong we'll say a kind of [ __ ] up thing you can get it wrong but we need those people yeah we need those people and and like you said you want them to be corrected when they get stuff wrong but you don't want them to be silenced because when they get stuff right it's often the most important thing ever that they got right yeah and if you if you have a business model like the view or it's just people giving their opinions and you punish people for the opinions that you find to be wrong like that you're [ __ ] up your own business like that's not the way to handle things i'm 100 in support of
whoopi goldberg keeping her job and not being suspended and letting her express herself and she's obviously thought through like who the [ __ ] is 100 like there's very few things that you can talk to me about where i my opinion is rigid impossible to move there's a few things sure i mean real moral things right right murder and rape and torture i'm not going to convince you any of those are okay yeah there's like things that like you know genocide and then fantasizing yeah of course of course but then when it comes to like conversations where people are giving their opinions about things i feel like you've you've got to allow people i'm not the [ __ ] producer of the view but you gotta allow those women to express them even when they talk [ __ ] about me like express yourself it's okay like i i'm i'm in support of that i'm in support of you criticizing me i don't think you should be silenced i don't think you should be suspended for saying that something incorrect about like the holocaust i think someone should come along and correct you and then you should correct yourself and then we're good and then let's keep moving and i like i i okay so if you have uh you had uh dr gupta on your show and you had uh dr malone on your show both making completely uh you know uh contradictory arguments like they see things in a completely different way you know um if anybody who was a big fan of the episode with dr malone was saying i think you should have that episode with dr gupta pulled off i'd be like that's insane right like even if you agree with this side that's insane that you shouldn't like be able to hear from the other side and what their perspective is like a little bit all it takes like a minimal amount of humility and a minimal belief in the free expression of ideas to say no what we want to do is have both of them would be really awesome is if they were both there together but the thing is it's like there's this opinion today where you have to have this thought process that's accepted by a group of people that have deemed this to be the most appropriate or the only opinion that you can have and anything
that varies from that even if it turns out to be incorrect there's never a course correction right like like for instance the the idea of the lab leak and this is the thing that i brought up in that video that was talking about misinformation if you brought up the lab leak eight months ago eight months ago you'd be removed from social media they'd be like you're a piece of [ __ ] you'd be banned you you wouldn't be able to post on facebook now it's on the cover of newsweek like this these things that used to be deemed incorrect are now discussed openly and often both signs change yeah all the signs change no but that's right i i thought that was a great point and i thought that was a great video that you made i would have opened it with uh you know dear blood soaked monsters of the corporate press but besides i was talking to my friends no i was talking to the people the regular people out there no you're you're right and and that's uh like a really crucially important point that you made that and and you know we've had over the last what is it almost two years now right of covet since march of 2020 this it's really hard um i think for any of us to really express or understand what a profound change has happened to our society yeah i mean this is you know it's like uh like this uh a friend of mine someone i really admire very much is uh jeff deist who's the uh he's the president of the uh the mises institute which is the greatest institute in the world m-i-s-e-s what is that uh ludwig von mises the greatest economist who ever lived great classical liberal uh economist who revolutionized uh like the way people think about economics um and they're like uh this great institution uh they they really like kept his work in the work of murray rothbard who's uh uh like probably the greatest uh the greatest libertarian philosopher in history they're basically what taught me everything i know was is the mises institute i love all those guys so jeff dice is the president of it and he said he was on my podcast part of the problem available wherever you get podcasts oh
um and he he said which i really liked he was like you know this really stuck with me he goes when you're living through a revolution you don't necessarily know oh the revolution started today and now i'm in the revolution and this is five days into the revolution you know it's not till like years later that you look back at it and go oh i guess that was a revolution now i don't know if that's exactly how you would describe the kovit regime but in many ways i think it's changed life more than a traditional revolution would you know like if a regime was overthrown by a coup and someone else took power it it certainly wouldn't necessarily upend every single social norm down to like showing your face in public or shaking hands or what you're allowed to do or what what what the rise of covet has done has been really like unbelievably profound it's changed everything about our society and the idea that while this is all happening you're not allowed to like question it to think about like i'm not sure this is the right decision i think maybe this is wrong i think maybe we should do this that all throughout it these voices have been silenced uh off of social media then they've been really demonized in a very aggressive way and so many of them have turned out to be right not all of them were but the official narrative coming from the regime has been wrong so much i mean you know they talk about spreading covet disinformation the entire establishment talking points have been disinformation from the beginning down to the biggest one i mean lockdowns they just had this i'm sure you saw this huge johns hopkins study that basically uh their conclusion was that lockdowns did next to nothing to mitigate covid uh deaths and caused far more deaths and if you talk to objective virologists like people that understand respiratory viruses and if you got them alone like you got that professor alone and he could say i really agree with you you would say the same thing they would tell you the same thing like this is going to spread like
you're not going to be able to stop this this is not something that you can mitigate that easily and so while the lockdowns were not mitigating the virus um which again it's not just this one study i mean you can see this by looking at the places that had lockdowns versus didn't have lockdowns and the effects and while they're not doing anything to mitigate the virus they were destroying people's lives what are the you look at the suicide numbers yeah well there's certain overdose numbers yeah there's certain deaths of despair numbers that were really high up but i mean look when you look at the there were uh i think it was something like 400 thousand small businesses that were closed that will never reopen 75 percent of la restaurants at once yes we're gone it's it's every one of those is like somebody's life dream being crushed and the ripple effects from that yeah uh um childhood obesity rates have gone up 50 percent since the beginning of this really i mean how how many generate i mean double check me maybe on that number jamie but it was so i believe it was uh 50 childhood obesity has gone up now this is going to be four generations before you fix the the damage that's caused by that and at the time when you were opposed to to lockdowns as someone who was opposed to it at the time i remember hearing this you were selfish you hit you didn't care if grandma died you just wanted to get a haircut like all these things the way people would just be like completely demonized when at the time we were just making the argument that you're like first off you're ushering in totalitarianism and you're destroying the lives of tens of millions of americans i think people saw that part the ushering in totalitarianism now i don't think they waited that because they didn't equate the government being able to mandate your behavior in terms of like whether your business could be open or what have you they didn't equate that with totalitarianism even they thought it was like a temporary restriction upon your freedoms that is for the greater good of everyone and that's how it was kind of sold well 15 days to flatten the curve was the you know the weapons of mass destruction
obesity and u.s children increased at an unprecedented rate during the pandemic unprecedented look at this among of cohort of 432 332 302 people rather age 2 to 19 the rate of body mass index increased roughly doubled during the pandemic compared to the period preceding it the greatest increases were seen in children aged 6 to 11 and in those already overweight before the pandemic the national weight gain will surprise few pediatricians who have been warning since the pandemic began of the likely effects of reduced physical activity and the increased screen time but the rate of change is striking the monthly rate of bmi increase nearly doubled to 1.93 times during its pre-pandemic rate the proportion of u.s children who are obese was rising at 0.07 percent a month before the pandemic but 0.37 a month five times faster after the virus appeared wow yeah look at this an estimated 22 percent of u.s children and teens were obese last august up from 19 a year earlier that's awful yes it's horrific yeah what exactly is the cost of that i mean how do you even measure that well the problem is it's very hard to lose weight gaining weight yes once you and and once you become like obese as a child you've ah man i mean you've put yourself so behind the eight ball now for the rest of life you know so you know it's almost like it's you know the only way to have a perfect study on all of these things would be almost like if you could run the counter factual like if you had a time machine you could run back in time and not do the lockdowns and stuff and then see what happens and of course we can't do that but the point is just that like look they were they were wrong it's almost objectively wrong about the lockdowns they were so it's so understood that they were wrong now that let's just put it this way the biden administration is blaming the trump administration for the lockdowns at this point that's that's what jen saki said when she was questioned about this study oh well look the lockdowns were long and she's like well the lockdowns have been in the previous administration it's like
yeah but it was your guy dr fauci who was in there you know like pushing him the whole time but no they just went no no that was the previous administration even though joe biden was praising cuomo and praising newsome and all of the governors who were doing it at the time they they wiped their hands of that we have nothing to do with that that's trump's stuff okay so everyone admits they were wrong about that white house blames trump for covet lockdowns oh my god five days ago yeah white house practitioner she's that poor lady can't catch a break i bet she would be normal without that job that's just not her job how do they call you they call you spreading misinformation they have a professional liar who just goes out and bullshits and spreads misinformation that's what the job is it's not good but it's a weird gig too because like why does she speak for the president he picked her he goes i think you'd make a good face for a liar well it's also like uh when trump was in office the lady that i really liked at the end what's her name kylie no kaylee mckinnon yes yes she was the best at it she brought versus i've met her she's very nice and she's a savage she is uh she's razor sharp mm-hmm that lady sure she brought receipts when they would say something like trump said this she'd be like interesting because on cnn you said this and then she said that this your trunks sir you just see her lick her thumb and then she would leave the podium like drop the mic yeah she was she was very good at it she was um but it's just you know so look they were they they got the lockdowns completely wrong they had us you know they they had segments on the news about how to wipe down your groceries i mean it was like the time they thought that that was the thing to do i'm just saying that's really where the science changed no i'm just saying what they got wrong yes and they got that wrong but that i don't think that is categorized as misinformation because it's not like this contrary information that's better at that time like when they were dealing with the stuff that was coming off of those uh cruise ships
and one of the things off those cruise ships so they were finding evidence that kovid lived on surfaces for up to 14 days which was terrifying to people so that is where the spray things down came from i completely agree i do not think that that was a lie i think that that was something they got wrong i'm just making the point that it's not as if the official talking points are getting everything right they're getting a lot of this wrong and it's hard to know not with that i mean i trust that that was just they got it wrong but with a lot of the other things it's you never know for sure exactly what they were lying about or what they got wrong or this but the point is that you can't silence anybody who's saying i don't think the official like answer to this is correct because you don't know that you're correct they were wrong about outdoor masking turns out they were wrong about indoor masking at least with the cloth masks it seems now that's much more accepted yeah today than ever before what's on cnn that was the mean when things she said it over and over again yeah class mats are nothing more than facial decorations everybody's like all of a sudden yeah yeah what they've also by the way fauci himself has admitted to kind of this noble lie thing yes that he would say things that he knew were lies but because these lies would get the best you know response out of them and in that case how do you trust anything that the guy has to say you don't right you don't but one thing that masks do do is they let people know that you're not an [ __ ] yeah you didn't vote for trump no it's like not even that it's like you want people to be safe like if you walked into a restaurant i'm not saying now like now it's kind of preposterous but it's still enforced there was a guy who just got pulled out of some school council meeting he was a father that was in the audience and he didn't have a mask on they physically assaulted him and pulled him out of the meeting because he didn't have a mask on like folks you're looking around all these people with gloss masks on this is nonsense it's been proven to be nonsense we know it's nonsense now but at one point in time
we didn't know it was nonsense and when you would go to a restaurant and you wore a mask people knew you were an [ __ ] and i think that was a good thing it was like a way of like signaling to everybody that you care i don't think there's anything wrong with that but i think the problem we're dealing with these news sources is the same kind of problem we're talking about the view and the same kind of problem when they're talking about me is that the answer to like if people more people believe me or trust me or want to listen to me talk the answer is not to silence me the answer is to you to do better the answer is for you to have better arguments when you're on television talking about how i'm taking horse paste and you know that's not true i'm taking horse dewormer instead of saying what you should have said how did joe rogan get better so quick how come he got kova that's killing everybody and he was better in five days negative in five days working out in six days how come that's never discussed so he's like he's taking heart from american i think ivermectin was one of the things that i took that was that did something but i think really monoclonal antibodies was the big one and that's the stuff that got trump better in four days he wasn't taking ivermect and i think there's something legitimately really beneficial about monoclonal antibodies has been proven but yet they just pulled them they pulled the authorization for them which i don't understand that at all why don't they discuss that why don't they talk why don't they have an expert on explains why even though there is still a prevalence of delta cases they're still they still exist and monoclonal antibodies are very effective against delta right so i mean all of this is kind of like uh predicated on the assumption that they're being honest and trying to why wouldn't they talk about this they should i agree but this is my perspective if you're in business and your business is the news and you want to get more people to pay attention you should be honest and my my thoughts for cnn my advice to them i don't hate cnn i used to go to them every day for the news until they
started [ __ ] hating on me if you want to do better just [ __ ] change your model change the way you do it stop this editorial perspective with guys like brian stelter and don lemon that nobody listens to nobody is like chiming in saying oh yeah finally we get the voice of reason nobody thinks that have people that give out effective news objective dues rather and i'll support you you know when i turn around 100 and i'll be the people that tell i'll be one of the people that tells people i saw this on cnn watch this on cnn cnn has a different business model they're they're just being objective news now i'm with you i i said this once to uh essie cup and uh don lemon um back when i was when i was working over there at turner um and uh i said to them and i wasn't even like really trying like i don't want to help them but sometimes you just can't help like just give your like advice and i said this was in 2017 if you can remember the environment back then and i said look if you guys really you know what you guys could do that would really help and hear me out because i know you're not going to like this give trump credit for something pick something you like one thing you've liked maybe it was the uh the first step act that criminal justice reform you know that way he let some people who were doing life for pot or whatever out of jail pick one thing you like and really praise him for it and then the next time you criticize him it'll hit much harder yes because people will be like well yeah like they give him credit when they think he did something right and they'll hit him hard when they think there's something wrong because what you're doing right now is it's just all day every day trump did the worst thing ever trump did and now people are like you're just in the business of trying to make them look stupid so even if your goal is to make them look stupid it doesn't have any weight to it you know like it's not gonna it's not gonna but it's that thing it's like they're confined by their format they're convin confined by their environment they're confined by these small segments that last for seven minutes or whatever it is in between commercials they have producers that are overlooking
everything they say you don't get like a real like an honest perspective you get a corporate perspective that's right there's a mandate there's like or rather like there's a there's a a format that they're trying to make sure that everybody abides by and then there's a narrative that you have to follow well the thing that's crazy too is that you know and you were saying if they were going to tell the truth or be honest is that i so the last time i was on the show um back uh i was in april i think of uh 2021 we had that clip that went uh viral yeah that uh fouchy called you out for and i was rewatching it uh the other day watching the clip and then watching his response to it now it's funny and it's funny thinking about this with the childhood obesity numbers that we were just looking at and all this stuff and basically what you said was you go you know if you're a 20 year old healthy person what i'd advise you to do with kovid is make sure you're still really healthy make sure you're getting a lot of but now you said i don't know if you need the vaccine it's like what's really important is you being really healthy this was this was the spirit of what you said and fouchy's response to this which i was literally just listening to the other day does not age well it's really first off he said he goes he's like no joe rogan what you don't understand is that you get the vaccine to protect other people because if you get it you can't spread it you know and you're like that didn't age so well and then he says at one point he goes if you don't get the vaccine and this is almost word for word what he said you could pull up this clip she responds to joe rogan and see it but it was almost word for word what he said was he goes if you're a healthy 20 year old and you get covet you may not experience any symptoms but you will likely spread it to a bunch of other people and his claim was that an asymptomatic person will likely spread it and i'm like i'm sorry but if you're looking at what is misinformation or let's just say incorrect information i do not think the
science backs up the idea that someone with no symptoms will likely spread it to other people i don't think that's correct i think you're incorrect this is what i think happens i think what is asymptomatic like categorized as asymptomatic because you don't feel that bad and if you don't feel that bad you can spread it there's a lot of people with very healthy immune systems especially young people that can spread it and they give it to their parents their parents get really [ __ ] sick certainly that does happen their grandparents get really [ __ ] sick and their case is technically asymptomatic because okay all they have is like a headache that's real sure no listen now that might happen and i guess those would be mild symptoms technically right if you have like some people think of it as asymptomatic because you don't have covet symptoms like you don't have fevers you're not in the hospital you're not coughing you don't have respiratory issues you can easily give it to someone and have the most mild of symptoms like here's something that i need to correct okay and or i need to express myself on this because a lot of people think that i think covid's not a big deal that's not the case at all i think it's a very big deal to a lot of people but it's not a big deal for everybody it depends entirely upon the individual and one of my problems with all this whole thing is this enforcement of this one-size-fits-all approach to health and i just i don't buy that oh i so by the way just to be clear i completely agree with you on that i mean covet is a really nasty virus and it has killed a lot of people yeah and if you are sick and have a weakened immune system if you have comorbidities you do not want to get this thing it is very dangerous less so with omicron but still it's still dangerous and and so that's i i completely agree with you on that i'm just saying that look first of all the claim was if you want to talk about bad information that may have led to real damage in covet joe biden the president of the united states straight up said if you get the vaccines you will not get or spread remember rachel maddow said we know for
a fact this is it now it's time you get the vaccine it stops with you it doesn't go on now think about this and i don't know exactly i don't know if anyone could measure these numbers how many people got these vaccines like when they first came out and then thought to themselves well i can't get covered now maybe had what you're saying the sniffles had mild symptoms and went well it can't possibly be covered because i'm vaccinated and went and spread that to a whole bunch of people yeah so i'm not saying like i've been talking about kovid and the kovid regime for like basically two years on my podcast i'm sure i've gotten some things wrong um i i'm you know i'm not saying you haven't gotten some things wrong and like maybe like that that's true but for anyone to be pointing the finger like you got things wrong and this is dangerous and led to all of this like the most catastrophically wrong things that have really led to real world uh catastrophes have all been coming out of cnn and msnbc and the white house and dr fauci and all of them that's all i'm saying i completely agree with you covett is nasty a lot of people have lost people you know even if it's somebody who's like you know if you're if you're 91 and you have several you know health problems but you would have lived till say 95 and you get coveted and die at 91 i mean that's awful that's awful that person might have had four more years with their grandchildren and their their children and all of that it's a horrible thing and it's it's terrible i'm just you know anyway just to make that clear i agree with you it's a nasty virus i'm just more concerned with the totalitarian regimes that are sweeping the entire western world that's the problem right the real problem is that once you give governments power they don't give it back they don't want to give it back use what's fascinating to me is watching what's going on in canada right now because the truckers have taken over ottawa right they've just overwhelmed ottawa with thousands and thousands of trucks and so now they have these laws where you're not allowed to refuel them you're not allowed to give them food go fund me tried to steal the money yeah which is wild they got 10 million
dollars in donations for the truckers and gofundme thought it would be great if they gave that money to the charities of their choice you [ __ ] imagine the gall the gall of that after they listen i'm not saying they shouldn't have supported black lives matter i think you should support i think gofundme should be available to anyone who wants to use it for anything like people can argue that it's a good cause and the the ottawa truckers a lot of people think that's a good cause black lives matters a lot of people thought that was a good cause the fact that you can make a distinction between one and the other if they had taken all the money that was donated to black lives matter and they said you know what we don't agree with this we're going to give it away to the charities that we choose be like [ __ ] you you are yeah people oh yeah goddamn crazy and a charity that's kind of like even though they shouldn't be like opposed to each other but that's just like on the other side of the political aisle like if you went oh black lives matter we're actually going to give that money to like uh some pro-life charity or something like that you know quebec you can't buy groceries unless you're vaccinated we need to look at this and make sure this is true but when you get to that i know some someone was telling us this uh last night yeah who is a canadian yeah so he might be right about that but that is yeah see make sure that's true that's true it's wild and the way trudeau talks about people who are unvaccinated the way he said that they're misogynists and rapists or racist rather rape he said they were misogynists and and and racists and you're in the demonized class you are you're you're deciding you're taking people that have a perspective on a medical intervention and you're deciding that you're gonna demonize them in the worst possible ways with no evidence and isn't it something that so many of these people like say the the nurses who are unvaccinated the truck drivers who don't like the
mandates that they were the heroes right these were the essential workers the health care workers these were the people in new york city they were clapping at 6 00 p.m every day for these workers and those same they'll be nurses who worked through a year and a half of the pandemic and they didn't want to get that she didn't want to get the shot and now all of a sudden these are the you're out of there not only that sorry dc has shown that these nurses which most of them got coveted i'll say this if you were working through the pandemic the whole time 100 of them either got coveted or learned how to protect themselves from getting coveted there's no other option right right it has to be one literally around coveted positive patients all day long yeah but one we're learning from this from this whole pandemic is not just about authoritarianism and a lot of the the issues that we're dealing with about ideologies and how rigid people are but also about how fragile our civilization truly is when confronted with any kind of adversity yeah like that's exactly right people are so fragile and they most people they rely upon existing structures whether it's the office they work at whether it's the neighborhood they're in they they rely on these sort of structures in order to have any semblance of normalcy in life and when forced upon themselves to do to be confronted with the unknown to be confronted with open-ended possibilities and having to make like moral and ethical decisions based on your your values and how you feel about people not based on whether people want you to condemn someone for their choices or attack people for choices like i know a lot of people that hate people that have been vaccinated i'm like do you know how crazy that i don't know him personally but i mean people online i've seen them like attacking people like they attack trump they boot trump because he talks about how you should get vaccinated i got it you should get it i think you should get it it's a good thing and they're like so interesting though just like the politics of it goes so interesting to
see trump losing his base and then like how he handles that and then he's caught between this thing where like donald trump's like like he's got the narrative in his head figured out he's like well i did the vaccines and i'm the greatest so that's the greatest and i get all the credit but then he's losing his people unvaccinated to be accommodated at all times in canadian walmart's costco's to ensure they're buying pharmacy products only what a company excuse me unvaccinated to be accompanied at all times so to make sure they're not getting food yes they have to buy pharmacy products only so how do they eat well i don't know but in quebec that's what this guy was saying in quebec you can't go to a grocery store unless you're vaccinated vaccine passports to enter the vicinity went into effect on monday this mandate includes all businesses with surfaces but here today today in alberta i think they dropped their vaccine mandates and i think this is in response to the truckers that's interesting yeah truckers you don't want to [ __ ] with truckers man they you need them to get your stuff we really all are we like to be very removed yeah from how maya my father-in-law uh is a trucker so i know a little bit about the trucking world he's a great guy by the way one of the smartest people i know too uh and he's uh he's a trucker and all his friends are truckers and stuff so i like kind of just from from you know marrying my wife and he's my father-in-law that kind of know about that world a little bit but it's unbelievable how easy it is to not even kind of think about it not even think about how vital this is like i don't know what you're talking about i go on my computer i order a thing and it's here there were no trucks but then then you get out on the highway and you're like where are all these big cars everywhere you know but like you're like no that's the whole thing as much technology as we have this entire economy is all still built off [ __ ] being trucked from one place to another that's how your gasoline gets to the gas station that's how your food gets to the grocery store it's a big deal yeah this is a different thing though jamie i want
you to pull up alberta drops vaccine mandate um like that masked mandate it's not it's harder to find that because you're on google [ __ ] get on good duckduckgo you'll find it right away duckduckgo was on this google it on duckduckgo and duck go it well jamie you can't google it on duckduckgo you have to duck duck go your way so googled he's so corporate i think jamie's been secretly sponsored by you know duckduckgo has also compromised this oh i'm just saying i i'm not the first person you're going to throw it act you say you're going to besmirch the good name of duckduckgo right here um alberta canada truckers like the same same stores pop up canadian provinces begin backing off vaccine mandates hmm jamie begin what does that mean uh alberta caves to trucker protest ends vaccine click on that one washington times alberta caves to v to canada trucker protest ends vactin vaccine passports number one source of my first choice is cnn better i wouldn't have picked that either what is the washington times is that even a real newspaper that's all my point i mean it sounds like a real one yeah you know how i judge newspapers based on how much you're trying to sell me at the bottom like when it gets to the bottom do you want to live forever like i look at the sponsored stories and look at this yeah there you go okay look at the sponsor story never trump jonah goldberg picked by up by cnn after resigning from fox news no it's biden who's a real sob nancy pelosi they look at the story as they're trying to push and then you go all right what is the headline you're well hold on these are real stories nancy pelosi's son allegedly tied to fraud and bribery scream i believe that sounds legit rep alexandria ocasio-cortez staying off twitter due to backlash oh is she staying off twitter how the [ __ ] do you know how do you know you have her phone [ __ ] are you talking about i know she's off twitter because i got her phone i'm so tired of talking about this i'm
so tired talking about kovid i'm so tired talking about the pandemic one of the things that i really loved about coming here to texas is like they didn't treat it the same way in california my friends in california are still living in hell yeah i think a lot of people are tired of uh of all of this you know like you were saying um before when you're like uh in if you're on social media you have this perspective of the world yeah and then like you if you remove yourself from that it's almost like you remind yourself that there's a real world there's real life there's a real life you know it's like yeah you you when you get on like and a lot of people i think are really tired of the kovid regime like they just want to go back to normal life a lot of people are really tired of the culture war [ __ ] because so much of it is manufactured and they just want to go back to real life you just don't see this as i mean i'm not saying it doesn't exist at all and i've noticed it in in stand-up comedy that it's things have changed where like particularly in like liberal cities there's certain things if you talk about trigger audience members more and things like that but in general in life you just kind of like you go you know you could watch like you know social justice warrior type you know college campus activists on online and you know the fat phobic person we were saying before and they're all this like white privilege and this and that and all of this you're like oh my god there's like all racism is everywhere and then you like go to the supermarket you know like hey you know yeah some black guy steps in front of you and he's like oh excuse me and you're like no you're good sir i get a pound of roast beef everybody's normal everyone's everyone's where's the peaches yeah like everyone's just i used to use this example a lot as like um what i just like said what the free market like does to people is that just because i'm jewish and i lived in new york city that i'd be like i can literally like walk outside this is before uber i used to say this all the time but you can put your hand up and a
yellow cab stops with a muslim driving and i'm a jew i just help put my hand up and i get in and he drives me to where i want to go and then he goes thank you sir god bless and i go thank you sir have a good day and that's and it's just because like well he wants some money and i want to ride and we're all kind of working together and we might have slightly different views but we get past it i like different people i like talking to like a guy who's a sikh i like talking to a guy who you know comes from scotland i like talk i want different people it's fun see this is that's one of the beautiful things about new york city is that it's so filled with so many different folks and everybody has to interact with each other the thing about la that [ __ ] everybody up one of the things is that everyone's in their goddamn car so you're in this isolated environment and you go to where you're gonna go and you don't ever just melt with everybody and new york city when you're on the street man everybody's walking it's just filled with all kinds of people from all parts of the world it's a yeah it's a crazy thing but it was a it was a real interesting place to to grow up and uh it's and i love i loved new york city i i hope it gets back to being kind of the vibrant city that it once was how is this eric adams guy doing i think he's terrible so far really real disappointment i like the fact that he hired his brother he had a fat job yeah whatever i think that's fine because my brother's last job was parking cars for like 20 bucks an hour and now he makes a quarter million a year what's up yeah well there you go brother i like that now he doubled down on all of the coveted stuff right away and i think it's just been terrible that that wasn't like his plan getting into office allegedly right didn't he have like a different i mean he i think he said things that were almost vague enough to not turn the voters who might not have liked that off um but it was like right away but he did his thing is he's a former cop so his thing is to be more tough on crime and and people are very excited about that right well i think that was a one of the big appeals of him because crime has really risen quite a bit over the last couple years in in new york and
this is coming off of you know new york um you know like new york when i grew up you know i was born in 83 so i grew up in new york in like the 80s and 90s and new york crime was like a major problem and it got way way better like my whole life the crime where it was going down and down and down and down and then all of a sudden it started coming back and people are very upset so i think that was a big part of his appeal was the kind of like we're going to take care of street crime and understandably people were attracted to that message but i think it was very very uh a bad sign to me that immediately getting in there the first thing he did was like continue the emergency power acts and the vaccine passport and all that stuff so i think they're dropping the mask mandates though i think that's the new thing in new york city oh i saw that um in new jersey they're saying they're going to drop the mask mandates for for schools which is really great news and i think that's i think that's incredible and it's one of those things that like you know is i know you just said you're tired of talking about this but one of the worst things is is you know i'm exhausted masking up kids i think it's just horrible it is horrible i'm wondering what the world's gonna look like in two years from now i wonder what's going to change and whether or not we're going to get out of this better like you know that's one of the things that does happen whenever human beings are confronted with any sort of an adverse situation where it requires adjustment it's like there's a possibility an opportunity for growth and it's not completely outside the realm of possibility that we we do figure out how to grow and get better 100 i'm i'm optimistic i think that um that first off i just think there's no option so you might as well be optimistic and i think that there is you know even if like from my perspective where i'm like well you know talking about everything i've been talking about since we've been here and how the regime is so corrupt and they're liars and they've but i look around at this and i see the fact that i think the collapsing trust in all of these institutions is a great thing i think the fact that people are like
waking up to this stuff is is incredible it is because we have options because we have the glenn greenwalds and the matt tybees and the crystals and saugers and the jimmy doors because they exist yes i agree with you yeah and also just that i think that we can like we have the capabilities to have uh a more prosperous a freer a better a kinder society than ever before we just haven't put it all together yet and that that's like are we growing the voices that disagree with that we have to like re-educate people to the fact that like the most important thing is getting along compassion being kind but being a part of a community being nice to each other what i hope people learn from everything over say like the last you know um i don't know five years or so even before the covid stuff and i think this is what i was saying like people are tired of the culture wars and all this stuff this is a big part of the reason why i'm a libertarian and i believe in drastically reducing government is that politics is so poisonous and this is one of the major problems with the covid stuff in general is that now politics became everything politics became finding out you know whether you're allowed to go to work or whether you're allowed to visit your father or whether you're allowed you know everything was it was dictated by a governor and political differences are like wars even when they're mini wars or cold wars it's like it's a war when you have a political difference with somebody you're now fighting over who is going to rule over the other person like this is why once every four years tensions rise so high over is it going to be hillary or trump or biden or trump because one of you is going to lose right and have to be ruled over by the other one do you remember when when biden won and then they started putting out lists of people that supported trump yeah like legitimate politicians like aoc we shouldn't compile a list it's like what are you like what the [ __ ] are you saying and it's but here's what's so fascinating i was saying i was at um
this event called uh freedom fest in south dakota uh this summer you're really cool last place i'd ever want to go dude freedom fest in south dakota you would have loved it how was the food okay not the strong not the strong point the food but it was some really great people there and south dakota also by the way zero restrictions never had anything oh that's right but north dakota did yes and north dakota suffered greatly yes that's where south dakota's thrived yes the only state in the union that never had a lockdown for one day never had a mask mandate never had any mandates by the state they were great on co who's the mayor uh gnome right christie gnome she didn't do so great she should have legalized pot she had a real opportunity to do that and didn't but she was great on covert eh you win some you'll lose some anyway um but she but so i was talking there to the crowd about like this stuff like the idea of like political differences versus differences yeah and i was like look like if you look in the crowd somewhere here there is like uh there's a christian sitting next to an atheist like you know it's like a big crowd like there's like a thousand people there so it's like somewhere this is true in the crowd there's a christian sitting next to an atheist you guys have the most profound differences in the way you view the world i mean like literally one of you believes the other one is gonna burn in a pit of fire for eternity and the other one you know believes that you are delusional basically that you believe you have this personal relationship with something that doesn't exist and you're just sitting next to each other right and everything's fine and like maybe you'll have a beer later right no one cares but we're going to war over whether you're a democrat or a republican yeah like it's only when the differences are political that this becomes this crazy culture war because it interferes with your life like if this guy doesn't eat bacon because it's in the quran that doesn't [ __ ] with you but if they if it becomes political let's say that you're the kids the school that your kids go to the public school is now going to teach muslim
prayer in the school you go wait a minute wait a minute i don't want my kids being indoctrinated with stuff i don't believe in so my point is just that when you reduce government like when you reduce government intervention when you reduce the size and scope of government what you end up getting is more peace you end up getting things where it's like people can have disagreements we can have different cultural preferences we can have different uh feelings about gender or whatever you know like we can have all or covid whatever it is and we don't have to go to war with each other and i really do think that like i believe that in order for this country to survive and and to thrive we need we need liberty that's like the answer it's the answer to all of this we need the government to stop doing all of the evil stuff that it's doing and we need a spirit of liberty where it's like look we can disagree with each other and not have to go to war with each other well let me ask you this like being a libertarian and reducing government is what you're really interested in so if that's the case what are the things that get drastically reduced like like besides the obvious ones like military and let's what is what are the things that you feel there's egregious misspending or overspending on well i mean okay so right i mean i i know you've said besides that but i'm still gonna just react number one is is ending all of the wars i mean it's just been it's it's been does one disaster after another millions of innocent people have been killed as a result of the wars in the last 20 years we have nothing to show for them nothing as we should end every last one of them and the biggest one the biggest one right now is what's going on in yemen and there's talks that they're talking about yemen again yes but you were on ce cup five years ago and literally there and no one listened to me then and um unfortunately no one has yet and now they're talking about escalating it but it's the worst thing in the world what is the biggest explain what's going on so uh all right so basically obama started a war in yemen or i mean it's it was obama's
government working with the saudis to to launch a war against the houthis in yemen and basically the backstory to it is that obama had really the saudis were pissed off at our government and they're a big trading partner in ours but number one they were against the war in iraq uh that george w bush started because they kind of were the only ones who saw obviously how this was gonna go and they were like you know their big enemy is iran and you were like well if you overthrow the sunni minority government in iraq obviously the shiites are going to take power and then iran's going to have all of this influence in the region so you're just empowering our worst enemy so don't do this yeah but america wanted to do it israel wanted to do it all of the neocons wanted to do it and so the war ended up happening um and so the war happens it went exactly that way it was the it was a gift to iran um and then obama came in and he uh you know made the deal with iran that also really pissed off the saudis so obama said and you can google this and you can find it he said in order to placate the saudis he supported their war against the houthis in yemen so we got involved in a war which has turned into a genocide to placate one of the most evil governments in the world the saudis so obama that's that's what obama the man who won the nobel peace prize gave us and said besides um you know for funding bin laden islamists in libya and syria and committing literal treason he should be tried for war crimes and literally spend the rest of his life in a cage for what he did in yemen literally launched a war of gem genocide to placate the saudis is that really the only motivation for us getting involved it's i mean yeah they're basically that they're a big business partner of ours and we were pissed off and we were worried about losing that uh relationship in this war the united states is part is what so basically well okay so it's really it's the saudis and the uae um are really launching the war but it's all i mean it's the saudis doing it but with american weapons for the first uh like several years of the war we were literally refueling their fighter pilots
as they were doing it and they're they're conducting the war in the most brutal egregious way i mean they're bombing like they're bombing farms and they're bombing you know and they put a full blockade around the country um so there's there there was something at one point there was in the ballpark of a million cases of cholera i'm not sure if they were actually all cholera or there were some other similar like uh infections that were but it's been hundreds of thousands of people who have died in in this war uh the un said it was the number one humanitarian crisis in the world and it's it's these are uh you know um infectious diseases that are uh that are targeting or that that disproportionately hit babies i mean there's babies dying um and yemen by the way before all of this was the poorest country in the middle east and they would put a full blockade around the country and this has been going on forever obama started it trump continued it through his entire presidency funded uh um you know funded the saudis even more than obama had gave them even more uh um you know weapons um and biden said he was going to end it and he said he was going to end the war and there were some people i will say bernie sanders and rand paul were both really great on this in the senate trying to bring awareness to this that we got to end this this like this is a genocide at this point um and biden said he was going to end it and he didn't he backed off of that promise and now i guess the houthis launched a few attacks that hit uh the the united uh uh the the uae and so now they're they're talking about escalating the war anyway so that's the biggest so it's what government should stop doing that's like the biggest one to me is like cut the military budget drastically stop stop fighting stupid wars um anyway on top of that i would say that the um we need to end uh all corporate welfare can we stop before you move on to that sure so what the the motivations that they have for getting involved in wars that benefit saudi arabia are is it negotiations in terms of like oil access
is it negotiations in terms of like control of the region was it like there's compromises in terms of like they make these compromises in terms of like we want to do this and you want to do that so we'll allow you to do this we do that and then we'll work together so there's i i there's several really big like um financial incentives uh behind it um the number one uh saudi arabia buys a tremendous amount of weapons um so they're this is worth a lot of money for for weapons manufacturers uh there's also the whole petro dollar thing where there it has been this agreement for a long time that saudi arabia will peg their their oil to u.s dollars and only trade in dollars and this does a lot to keep our currency afloat that was the reason that was part of the reason why the the war with iraq happened right wasn't that didn't that have something to do with them taking their money like taking the they weren't going to put their oil on the us dollar anymore supposedly saddam hussein around the year 2000 um had a plan to start trading oil you know in gold and other assets and not using dollars anymore um i've also seen people say that qaddafi had had plans to to be in on this i don't know if that's if that's true or not i do think it's interesting i do know that very shortly after we got off the gold standard after richard nixon put us on the gold stand took us off the gold standard that we made this deal with saudi arabia in the 70s where they would only trade oil for dollars which in some ways kind of replaced the the gold standard like look dollars aren't redeemable for gold anymore but they are redeemable for oil and so you got some commodity kind of behind the money and that allows us to print as much money as we want to without suffering the consequences of it quite as drastically because there's still some value to the money for other people we can export our dollar around the world i i'm sure there's other motivations that i don't know about that you know that i don't know for sure what they are but i do know that hundreds of thousands of innocent people are being slaughtered over these wars so whatever exactly the
motivation is it ain't worth it and it's also one more crazy uh you know addition to all of this is that we're fighting on the side of al qaeda over there like al qaeda is fighting the houthis there's still a pretty sizable al-qaeda presence in the arabian peninsula particularly in yemen and they're the enemies of the houthis we're fighting on the side of saudi arabia and al qaeda against the houthis because they're on the because iran kind of likes them it's nuts and we need to just stop doing it and it's insane while our country's falling apart we're still trying to like remake the world it's just it's the idea that the reason why they're making these concessions to these other foreign countries is that ultimately does help america in some sort of a way well i mean i'm sure they would talk about it like a cia guy or someone who's like involved in this sort of uh international politics yes kind of explain not saying that you would agree with them but explain to you the the motivation or why it's beneficial to be involved with these companies countries rather well yeah i mean i've heard uh i have talked to several of them and i've heard a lot of their arguments by the way there's also a lot of those guys who would agree with me on this or i would agree with them i should probably say more accurately i mean i'd highly recommend anybody who who wants to know what's really going on to listen to colonel douglas mcgregor who is as smart and as decorated as as you could possibly be and he's the guy who really makes the argument the best that we should be completely out of all of these wars is he retired uh yeah i believe he is at this point yeah i believe he is but he was actually um i believe he was mcmaster's boss at one point but mcmasters you know rose up i guess the political stuff with it did a little bit better than him and he ultimately became you know the guy and he didn't but also might be because of what they their views are on this stuff but yeah there are people who will make these arguments but really usually the arguments that you know they come down to like well i mean it's like the way the wars were
sold it's like well we had to go into iraq because of whatever weapons of mass destruction or we had to go into syria because assad was killing all of his own people or we had to go into libya because he was about to go genocidal or we had to go into blah blah yemen they don't really try to make this argument as much for just foreign there's no real strong defense it's been going on so how many years now it's like we're you were talking about years seven years maybe now um yeah and it's been it's just and now they're talking about ramping it up after biden promise to to end it you know uh mbs uh purchased the most expensive painting of all time do you know about that no i just watched a documentary about it last night actually i just finished it last night it is a crazy documentary and i think it's called the last da vinci so you can find that but it's about this very controversial painting that i've been obsessed with okay i'm obsessed with i i get obsessed with people that believe things that don't necessarily make sense and i get obsessed with hustles and this seems to be like both of those things connected together there's this painting called salvador mundi and there's these people that find sleepers in the art world and what they do is they go through collections and they is that what it's called what is the name of it the documentary is it the last davinci this is an article about it but uh right but the document there is a documentary correct yes yes yes um so this this painting so what's a sleeper it's a painting that they look at and they're you know like someone's auctioning it off for a relatively low amount of money but it might be very valuable they find these occasionally like someone found a drawing recently that uh someone bought at a yard sale that was worth millions of dollars and i think they bought it for like 50 bucks and then someone recognized the handiwork and they're like oh my god i
think this is and they bought it and it turned out to be like hyper valuable well this one is weird because this one this guy found it and it's in this thing in this uh the this you know where they're looking at these paintings that are going to go up for auction and he purchased it for like a little over a thousand dollars and he ships it to new york and these art experts start going over it and they think it's the lost leonardo da vinci and so they have to it's been over painted which means somebody painted over the original painting so they have to strip it down this is where it's squirrely so go to the salvador mundi and then find what it looked like before restoration because this is what i didn't understand this is wild it was way worse than that because he painted it but hold on he painted it on wood da vinci would paint things on wood and so he painted on wood and there was a lot of evidence that he prepared for this like there was sketches if you scroll back up you could see that these are sketches that he had drawn of like the way the cloth would fold on because it's a painting of jesus it's the way the cloth would fold on jesus's arm so and there's evidence that he was working on this painting there's also copies of this painting and one of them got uh one of them got displayed in the louvre in paris because the mbs the owner of this painting wouldn't allow them to put it unless they put it right next to the mona lisa he wanted them to call it the male mona lisa see that's a copy right there that one down there but i want you to see if you can find google the what the original image looked like uh after after stripping away the over paint and it's so damaged like there's so much missing from the painting so this painting that's that's what it looks like so this painting that sold for some like in the sea in the bottom that circle that's actually a knot in the wood
and so a lot of the painting was missing so the painting that sold for 450 million dollars the most expand expensive painting ever was painted over by a woman in new york city she the the paint that's what it looked like before she started restoring it so she just so she killed it she filled it in an amazing way like what she did is amazing that's like that's before cleaning that's what it looked like so these crazy cracks and gaps this woman worked at it for five years straight all she did was paint this thing and at the end of it like see those like it shows you scroll back up where you just were scroll back up please right there so that's what it looked like on the left and that's what it looks like after her work so all those white spots where the painting was missing she did all that all the shading had to be consistent with the time period and it had to look like a painting that was old like the hair everything like look how much they said some some egregious amount i think it's like 90 percent of this painting was really painted contemporarily by this woman who painted over the painting as if she did not sell it she did not say it she was hired to restore okay so she's an a legitimate bona fide art expert who was hired to restore this painting so she thought she was just doing a job she was doing a job right but she also is convinced that this is a leonardo da vinci however other people who are art experts that have nothing to do with it say bull [ __ ] [ __ ] they call [ __ ] every step of the way these they mock it they're like this isn't a terrible painting like no [ __ ] way but sotheby's like an amazing video i was like i know so little about art that when you go like oh this is a da vinci i go oh my god he's just so amazing he's so talented then someone goes that's not a da vinci that sucks again yeah that's pretty bad i don't know i don't really know you tell me the documentary is incredible because the documentary is not just about the painting itself but it's also about the psychology of
selling it and one of the ways that this thing was selling the one of the reasons why it became an issue is because there was this french guy who was selling these paintings to this russian oligarch so this russian guy was this billionaire was spending all this money on paintings and he found out because of an article that he got ripped off by this french guy he thought that the painting cost 130 i think it was 135 million dollars that's what he paid for it but the french guy got it for 75 million so this french guy was marking up all the paintings he sold to this guy but like as much as a hundred percent so this this guy got [ __ ] and so he realized this by this and then he made him auction off everything he ever bought from him and so one of the things they did is they brought the sotheby's and sotheby's made this incredible promotion this really elaborate promotion selling this painting and one of the ways they sold it was videotaping people's response because people thought it was a da vinci people's vid they videotaped people including leonardo dicaprio so leonardo dicaprio was in this video staring at this so they took it from the perspective of people looking at the painting people were crying and weeping and this is part of what sotheby's did to sell this and then that's a brilliant psychology oh my god it's amazing and then they put it on display and no one knew who was buying it it turned out to be mbs he was buying it and he has it in his he has it in a yacht that's where it's displayed which costs the exact amount of his p as of his painting the yacht is like a half billion dollars too and so he's got this painting that's probably not leonardo da vinci but it's definitely whatever it is it's mostly painted by this lady whatever it is is the most overpriced piece of art ever maybe even if it is da vinci it's half not him but it's the case scenario yes see the thing is if it is da vinci wouldn't you rather have the one that's not [ __ ] with that's just cleaned that looks like [ __ ] like rather than someone comes along and paints over it like go back to the original one after cleaning like so i'd rather have the one
with all the pieces missing that was just the da vinci yeah because once someone else fills in the gaps it's no longer like his right painting right like this is the original one like if that was up there like yeah man if you go to italy and i've been to italy many times and one of the more amazing things about italy is the art there's incredible art all over the place like so many different churches and so many and a lot of it is really worn out and old but but through that it's amazing because you get to look at this art that's been weathered by time yeah that's kind of part of the like appeal of it right like that by itself right there if they could actually attribute that to da vinci that should be worth way more than the lady painting over it but i don't know if they knew the lady painted over it this is the thing it's not clear when they show the painting and they say this is the like a lost leonardo and it goes for 450 million dollars i don't think they said by the way this is what it used to look like before this broad in new york city who really knows how to paint and she's an amazing [ __ ] artist it's really crazy her perspective too she's like they're saying that i did this but i could never have created this masterpiece i'm like ma'am i kind of disagree you're pretty [ __ ] incredible if you could fill that in i feel like you could just paint that i feel like she could paint it too i mean this idea that i mean maybe it's like a wine taster like one but then there's a there's a great documentary about that too there's a great documentary called sour grapes have you ever seen that documentary it's the same kind of documentary it's one of the reasons why i love it it's a hustle sour grapes is about this guy this gentleman who is a wine expert who was selling he was buying at auction very expensive wine like really old very valuable very rare wine hundreds of years old yes some of it some of it hundreds of years old some of it just decades old but the point is like he was selling this wine to all these wealthy buyers so he would he would curate this collection of these incredible wines and then he would sell them to people well then someone figured out that
some of the wines that he was selling were counterfeit and then they started doing an examination and what where he [ __ ] up was he sold the wine to the koch brothers so one of the one of the koch brothers who had bought like millions of dollars in wine from this guy got [ __ ] because one of the gentlemen who worked for the original company the original vineyard was like we've never made a magnum in that year we didn't make it with that label this is misspelled this is incorrect and then they start doing a deep dive and then they go to this guy's house they the [ __ ] they raid his house they find that he's got like these aged labels he's got like things that are that yeah like this is stashes of old corks and labels were discovers and um how do you say his name courtney one what is his full name he's like what is his uh or his rudy that's right so what's really funny is my friend matt is in this documentary and i didn't know until i was watching it my friend matt is a legitimate wine connoisseur and matt loves wine like he has a giant warehouse in his like a wine room in his house filled with wine and one of his birthday parties i went to his birthday party and on his birthday party it was all of his wine friends they had a wine tasting so we went to this amazing restaurant and they would bring you over a small plate of food and then a flight of wines and so they would all taste it they would all swirl it around and like i don't know much about wine right but the wine was incredible and rudy that guy was at the wine tasting and i recognized him so this guy went to jail for this for a long [ __ ] time like he went to like a serious [ __ ] prison in colorado that's fraud they don't even know how many bottles of this fake [ __ ] are out there circulating they don't know how many people were involved with him don't rip off billionaires man they got a lot of resources to spend if they figure out you did that they certainly did but the point is it's the same thing it's like people that want to have this very exclusive very rare thing and so like they get
romanced by the auction by the the idea that they're going to be the one that has it you know oh ed's got him in his basement so that's what's so interesting about it is that we're such weird animals that's like the psychological like appeal of something because the truth is that you could just get look you could get someone who's a good artist to paint you a picture that's real that you like looking at you could get a good bottle of wine that you enjoy drinking yeah but you are so interested in having this thing that that confers with it like status or something like that with it like i don't know exactly what it is collectors right and there's something that you get off on on that like i've got the thing yeah that is that's very interesting and then and then if you have that mentality and then you find out that you've been ripped off oh my god furious you must be especially if you're a billionaire and you you fancy yourself to be an intelligent person who's an expert this one thing that you're obsessed with which is wine and they show this koch brother going through his basement or his uh you know his uh what would you call it as a wine cellar and it's incredible his collection it's massive collection of all these wines and he's so proud of it and then it turns out it's [ __ ] and then he finds out he's furious and he's like well i have 40 billion dollars to spend i'm getting even with you sir so also the koch brothers are like probably the worst or up there with the worst billionaires to piss off because they're also like politically connected so they're like well let me just call the d.a who is my good friend and the the senator who i funded and in this in this documentary what's really interesting is this one guy like no the thing about wine is like i don't know how many real experts there are and how many people are just pretending they can taste the differences in these wines because they feel like i could fake it i don't i don't think i can no i don't know they swirl it around they take smells and they put in their mouth and a lot of times when they're tasting it they have a bucket and they spit into
the bucket because they don't drink it right they just swirl it around their mouth and they spit it out it's wild because if they tasted and drank it all they'd be hammered so to avoid being hammered they spit it out so they put it in their mouth they get the flavor of the wine and they spit it into like a bucket it's wild [ __ ] so in one scene there's this one guys like a pseudo expert right i don't know if he's an expert or not and he's he's like this is one of the wines that rudy sold me that's real and you can taste it it's absolutely real it's like it's got hints of oak and citrus and whatever and then another guy tastes he goes he smells he goes how long does you open this and he goes uh you know like two hours ago or something like this this is [ __ ] he goes this is fake this is flat doesn't have nearly the complexity of the shabazz voice or whatever the [ __ ] it is i've had shava's wool before and it's so much richer and dense this is this is uh skunk piss and he's like what and you see the other guy who's like not sure he's probably like a [ __ ] stock broker or something like doesn't really know this guy's like a real wine expert he's like a pseudo wine expert he's like what huh and he seemed confronted like his ego shattered because this guy is actually the guy who knows about this thing it's like boy have you guys missed the mark wine's supposed to [ __ ] taste good it's supposed to be oh this is delicious that's not supposed to be supposed to be this is a good tasting wine we'll have a nice conversation over dinner with a good tasting wine you guys are missing them like you've you've taken a thing that's supposed to be a drink that people enjoy that makes you feel good and put all of this like just psychological like like importance on top of it to create this entire structure that is absurd it's absurd like it just makes no sense you ever had a really expensive bottle of wine i probably i really don't like wine i'm a very i love it i love red wine um i was in florida once and me and my friend mark delagrate shout out to my homie mark we
were eating at a restaurant with a bunch of ufc employees and mark and i like a red wine and we're going through the menu what do you have what are you going to do you want to get some wine and he goes yeah i go let's get some let's get a good bottle of wine and so they brought over somalia and i go you know what i've never had like a real good bottle of wine like what's a real good bottle line it's like well how much do you want to spend and so he goes through his list and he brought about 1200 bottle wine i'm like wow okay [ __ ] it like let's see i've never had it we had this it wasn't that good man it was kind of like weak it sounded like it was like almost like watered down it was like vinegary or something or maybe it was like too old it was like from 1972. dude you got [ __ ] rooted but we there's a thing they gave you it was quite a six dollar one there was like you know ten staff that we were all going to dinner with all the production staff and then after you know we had that wanna go let's get a like a 2018 bottle of wine let's get it like a regular bottle it was way better it was way better i enjoyed it more it was like forty dollars i'm like this is a better bottle of wine like this is so crazy that like this twelve hundred dollar but but what is it what are they looking for like what is it about it that's what i'm obsessed with that's what i'm obsessed with about the salvador mundi that's obsessed with with the the the sour grapes documentary i'm obsessed with this obsession that people have with like these like very subtle differences and things that only someone is like deeply studied can understand but it's also i mean like what's interesting to me is just the psychological like factor in it and i think it's it's got to be at least a lot like a status thing yeah people are just like look this is what lets you know yes that i'm up here and we're hardwired to really care about status like that's just the thing because that's you know that's just the way it is like that guy was drinking it saying it's skunk piss and the other guy was like shattered you could see the look at his face like he just got punked yeah well you just went from being i am mr wine expert to being exposed like
your whole life is is now taken down yeah nonsense bunch of nonsense it's but it's there's a thing about humans where we get obsessed with these little minute details about specific things it's fascinating to me well it's also one of the reasons why it's what [ __ ] really holds back i mean i'm sure in some ways it propels human advancement you know um otherwise we probably wouldn't have it but it also it's like what holds back a lot of these things is that it's very hard for people to admit when they're wrong and they'd rather just double down yeah because it's vet it's a very difficult thing to do very to admit you know you've been wrong especially about something major yeah you know i i mean in the political world i see this all the time and even when people say they're wrong about stuff they tend to try to like so well we don't really believe that anymore but here's why we're pissed off at this guy now and you're like okay but you should really probably spend some time on this like i do that way that i mean just shoehorn politics back into everything with that is one of my beefs with all the right wingers who now kind of admit the war in iraq was a big mistake but they don't really spend a lot of time on that you know it's just kind of like ah yeah i guess i guess we were wrong about that back in the time the day after 9 11 the mentality was obviously we got attacked this was horrible we have to make sure this doesn't happen again the way to do this to be proactive because the time has come where we need to act because we've been sitting back and let and obviously this is not a good strategy because we just lost the world trade center both towers that's that's like i think um in many ways the most tragic misunderstanding of what the of what america got wrong after 9 11. is that the assessment this is why ron paul to me is the greatest living american and he was completely right about what he says that his whole point was that no we weren't attacked because we were sitting back and doing nothing we we were attacked because we've been intervening in this part of the world for decades and we built up so much anger over there that people were
willing to be recruited to come be suicide bombers just to get us back and that that was the huge mistake and so if he's right about that which i believe he is then the response of like we ne now we really need to do something is the worst possible response and i think we fell right into what bin laden's trap was which was like bin laden explicitly said i mean this was his goal his goal he didn't think toppling the world trade center was going to bring down the united states of america he thought that he could lure us into wars that would bankrupt our country and that that could bring down the united states of america and so that was kind of the whole plan what do you think happened with bin laden it's very strange that they never showed his body and it's very strange that like like i wonder you know there's one navy seal that's credited with shooting him right like he or at least if not credited he's publicly stated this is the man who shot bin laden and he sold books and then a lot of people either disagreed with him or disagreed with his choice to go public with him yeah i've met that guy uh before but i you know i don't know um it did it certainly seemed really shady that they did it the way they did it that you wouldn't feel like just and and it's surprising that you would think just for political reasons just for like to bring closure to the american people you'd want to like demonstrate and they got rid of his body at sea right which is wild too and they they had some excuse that didn't really make sense over that um but that's the excuse and something like religion yeah we had to do it consistent with like a muslim burial or something like that yeah which it's just none of it really added up but anyway i mean i don't know i mean i do i do tend to think that you know i think bin laden's dead and he was once alive i don't know exactly what happened there but to me the bigger thing that's just like so crazy is that so we got him in what was it uh 2012 and here we are in 2022 we just ended the war in afghanistan
yeah you know a few months ago and then we still have wars going on all throughout the middle east that no one really seems to care about anymore isn't bin laden's son an artist or something i think one of them was yeah yeah he's got he's got a very i mean his whole family was a very rich connected saudi family a lot of them weren't like with his terrorist thing either like he was like you gotta think that's crazy uncle osama well his terrorist thing was fueled by the fact that the united states funded the mujahideen to fight off the soviets well right so there were several kind of like layers to it is like that number one right so in 1979 to 1980 we funded the the mujahideen which was his group and funded armed and trained them on how to lure a superpower into an unwinnable war and beat them through guerrilla warfare to bankrupt their country i mean that one kind of came back to bite us um but then ultimately what happened is that we so we we used these guys and then we ultimately radicalized them against us and so we the the um the americans basically propped up the the governments in egypt and in saudi arabia and these were the governments that they were really like opposed to um and particularly it was the uh george h.w bush's uh war in iraq so if you guys do you remember the not as popular war in iraq that everyone said was just a cakewalk like that it was like oh we won that easy and they were celebrating it and they were doing these specials on tvs and this just showed how great it was that america can go to war now it's like the soviet union collapsed we're the superpower in the world and look how easy war is we can just go right in there topple these countries and win we don't even have to take the guy out of power you know easy peasy except 30 years more of war with that country and one of the little side effects of that war was that it really pissed off osama bin laden and we put these bases in saudi arabia to launch the war you know in iraq and that really pissed off the bin laden knights because this is like you know their holy land and now there's this foreign
military with bases in their land so they this was infuriating to them and then the the blockade against iraq uh the sanctions and the continued bombing campaigns by clinton where like hundreds of thousands of people died they were really furious about that and there was so much like provocative have you ever seen the thing where um madeleine albright was asked about the 500 000 children dying in iraq no you ever seen this no can you jamie do you find that madeleine albright 500 000 children dead in iraq now just to keep this in mind they're not talking about the george h.w bush's war they're not talking about george w bush's war they're talking about bill clinton's sanctions on iraq the blockade that they had around the country in between those two wars and they ask her this is the type of stuff that really i'm not saying i know there's people out there who will argue it's like no it's because they're crazy terrorists and it's all of this i'm saying this is the type of stuff that turned young angry muslim people to be willing to join up with osama bin laden's uh cause and it's do you have it i found a recent article about the protesters just like youtube i'm looking though youtube madeleine albright 500 000 kids it should come up quick it's like pretty famous [ __ ] uh thing but this yeah that's it though the second one right there well it's not linked to youtube oh oh oh oh website where they're hosting it all right all right but yeah it's just a pretty crazy little moment of what the mentality was for uh we have heard that a half a million children have died i mean that's more children than died when in hiroshima and and you know is the price worth it i think this is a very hard choice but the price we think the price is worth it so that's yeah you know 500 000 children starving to death is just an acceptable price to make sure yeah that we keep our foreign policies going a crazy statement but it's also a crazy question is the price worth it like it's that's uh that's not nobody wanted 500 000 kids to
die right so saying is the price worth it like and then asking her and then she has to answer yeah all of it's nuts well yes i agree with you but it's like um and by the way there's also i've heard people who um dispute the number you know it was like a un study that found that it might have been maybe it wasn't five hundred thousand it might have only been a couple thousand children a couple hundred thousand children but this is this type of [ __ ] was going on and this is real this is what bin laden you know wrote about in his declaration of war against america and basically the complaint was that we uh we prop up uh brutal dictators in the muslim world we prop up israel who's you know oppressing the the palestinians and that our military in in our military interventions in iraq and in other muslim countries have killed a whole bunch of innocent people and this was the shtick he used to recruit people whether he believed it or not i don't know but this is what he used to recruit people and so the lesson like of 9 11 should have been that if you if you do these things in the middle east if you have these military interventions if you kill all these people if you have your secretary of state on television saying the price of 500 000 dead children over there is worth it you know there's a cost to that yeah and in this case the cost turned out to be 9 11. and the cause turned out to be that people you know their people are going to hate you so much that they're willing to try to come kill people over here and in response to that we decided well the lesson is that we gotta go fight more wars over there and it's been 20 years of fighting wars since then 21 years of fighting wars since then and there's only more bin laden night terrorists than there were before it's been and trillions of dollars and you know millions of lives i mean like there are millions i agree with it i'm not disputing it is there any argument that people make that is even remotely compelling that if we didn't do that there would have been a superpower with you know nuclear capabilities that is uh run by a brutal dictator that would have had substantially more
control and more ability to enforce their their regime throughout the world i i haven't heard anyone make that argument i think it's almost impossible for anyone to argue that as bad as they were that saddam hussein still being here qaddafi still being here would not be a better situation than what we've had can i say this just to answer that question because i think this is very relevant to what you're asking so um uh bill crystal do you know who he is right so he was the the editor for weekly standard for law in many ways he was the leading intellectual neocon so the the cheney the cheneyite kind of intellectual who was all about all of these wars so he had a debate a uh like a so it was a an oxford style debate at the soho forum which is the this debate uh thing in new york city run by gene epstein it's a brilliant economist he puts together these debates he debated scott horton the guy i was just telling about who's my guy on foreign policy it's really great i highly recommend people check it out it's on youtube and one of the so there's bill crystal and they're debating about regime change wars and whether they're good for america or not and one person asked bill crystal and this is bill crystal he is the you know bush cheney we have to you know we have to go fight all this war on terrors the biggest cheerleader of all of it and they asked him what can you look at to one intervention one military intervention that was successful like what what is one military intervention that you could look at and say this was a success and he said the balkans in the 90s which i don't agree with but leaving that aside he did not even try to point to one of the he would not even try to say iraq or afghanistan or somalia or libya or syria or niger or yemen he would not even dare because no one even he could not possibly come up with an argument to say that this would have been worse what did these guys say went wrong like when they say like what we what we have done would have done differently to be successful in these places where we
would have mitigated all these lives of innocent civilians and well there there will be some people who uh some of those right-wing hawk types who would have at the time at least blamed obama for not being hawkish enough you know he just shouldn't have he shouldn't have drawn down he should have surged more and if only that we could have won it but the problem with that is that i mean he i mean he sent in like 70 000 troops to afghanistan right didn't do anything just extended the war longer look at what happened as we left it was the same thing as would have happened in the beginning mcmaster thinks that we should have left uh 10 000 people in afghanistan to keep the taliban from coming in and taking over and then if they wanted to get out their equipment they should have done it like slowly they shouldn't have just left everything behind well i think the problem with that and i don't know i'd be interested to hear how he would respond to this but this is a big thing that people like so we had a very small footprint in afghanistan toward the end right and there wasn't that much violence and so then a lot of people tend to have this attitude of like well then why do we pull them out we could have just kept them in there but that's not exactly true the thing is that we had a deal with the taliban that we were leaving and the deal was kind of a ceasefire until we leave but we're leaving and the taliban was keeping to that deal but if we now joe biden came in the deal was we leave in may and he pushed it back to september and the taliban was kind of like all right and they kind of kept there still wasn't a lot of violence going on but if we hadn't have left there's no guarantee at all that they would have kept that ceasefire they might have got right back to war in which case we would have needed a hell of a lot more than 10 000 people there to do it so there i really don't think there was any way um to do this the best way to do it would have been to not fight the war to begin with we never needed to to go to war with the taliban i mean even if you wanted to go to war to take out al qaeda we did that very quickly after 9 9 11. and they had um
they had uh uh bin laden cornered at one point and a whole bunch of the military people there were asking for uh uh for backup and they didn't give it to him and they let him escape into pakistan and then decided the mission was regime change against the taliban which was never necessary it was all it was stupid from the beginning but i don't think it's so it's so evident that and i think biden which i don't give him credit for a lot of things but i think he was right about this that he realized that he was going to be he he was going to be caught between two decisions which was either to pull out or surge i don't think there was an option to just keep the troop levels there and i think he just wasn't gonna double down have you seen the latest kyle dunnigan biden impression oh i don't think i have kyle dunnigan and kurt metzger created a new biden one and they they've got it so down his his biden is [ __ ] amazing oh it's excellent it's so good it's so good but here play it because it's it's on the instagram i put it on my instagram too it's so [ __ ] good here we go give me some volume united states my fellow jamaicans the nation isn't a crisis the decepticon variant hobo 19 is still killing fat people inflation is destroying our charms and now the jew cranes being sexually sexually raped that's why i've asked congress to order a full-scale attack on joe rogan not not not joe rogan the russian guy the guy with the shirt pooty tang man bad dude we gotta come together man let's get our cranes he's got all the cranes we need for the bigger better build back the build back a bit better the better the better bill but a bit of better buildback better plan man you say it three times fast pal you say it got a piece of [ __ ] anyway let's start the show god damn that is perfect it's so good
but it's so crazy that like if you did that with obama people would go butt that doesn't make any sense well yeah doesn't make any sense if you do that with clinton what do you but that's that's not how he is but you do that with biden and people go oh god that's so close like there's so many times where he just says a non-word this is a drone vision and you're like what how did you just do that you didn't even correct yourself you just plowed over this non-word that you said it's unbelievable it's like a real emperor has no clothes type situation where it's like even like the the like most people in the corporate press like fox news aside but like cnn in the new york times washington post msnbc types they hated trump so much and i understand why they hated trump you know they wanted him out thought it was an embarrassment incompetent he pissed them off so they're like they went in with biden but now they're in this position where they have to pretend that they don't see what we all say yeah like you just have to pretend you're not seeing them like they're like i was totally competent leader he's got his all his thoughts together totally too young i'd say too young for the job probably nobody's saying that but they have to pretend that you don't see a guy who's clearly too old has clearly lost a step is like completely out of it and it's i i gotta say i i enjoy it and i like him being the face dude he's only a year in yeah it's gonna go bad he's a year in he's a year and he's aged 40 years in a year i mean if you just go look at a speech i i think joe biden was uh i think he always thought he was smarter than he was yeah even back in the day but if you listen to a clip of joe biden five years ago seven years ago listen to the way he talked he has clearly lost a couple steps oh yeah since then and not even before he got into the white house like he was and now since being in it's it's bad um yeah i don't know how this whole thing's uh gonna go it's not gonna go with him he's not gonna make it into a second term unless they [ __ ] have that dude in a hyperbaric chamber every day for 90 minutes and they fill them up with steroids and antioxidants and
and then they got kamala harris who uh almost will have to be their next i don't think so well the problem they're going to have is like i understand why you'd say you don't think so and part of that's because like people don't like her and she's not good at this but the problem is the democrat kind of woke establishment how can they really argue that the vice president who oh just so happens to be a woman of color that she should be skipped over she has for who the lowest approval ratings in history well why do you think that is joe because we live in a racist society you know i'm just no i'm saying she can make this argument she can't not her the problem she's so bad she really is she's the worst you know do you think it's time i think it's time to do what we're always doing where it's always the time the time is now to be doing the things that we've always been doing like what she is incredibly bad at this she's incredibly bad at this she's so bad and but the problem is if they do uh go with her i mean man is she beatable she's not they're gonna not gonna go with her they're not gonna go with her well she's funny she couldn't make it past the primaries of tulsi gabbard remember that oh yeah yeah it was great it was glorious she didn't have a goddamn thing to say because it was all true everything she said was accurate and it was a great it was a great thing that she took her out on like it's like this idea that i think one of the things that is the most infuriating to regular people is that it's like the and there's one of things through covet that's been infuriating to people you see these videos that the other day with stacey abrams and uh you know my classroom isn't that cool all the kids have masks on but you don't so you're she's fine right and you're fine imposing these draconian rules on everybody else knowing that you're gonna live above them you know and and in kamala harris's uh case it was the most despicable hypocrisy that you yourself laugh about how you smoked weed and yet you as a prosecutor through other human
beings in cages for lengthy prison sentences for the same thing that you laugh about when admitting you do it yeah like how dis how despicable it's displayed yeah and then when stacey abrams got confronted about that photo she cried racism yeah this is disgusting my opposition is that they would use this event on black history month oh it's like my god it's so crazy isn't it it's one of the things i hate the most um about covet or i shouldn't say hate the most but one of the things that makes me real uncomfortable i noticed this even here today like in my uh in the hotel that i'm staying at where it's like it's here in texas so like most people aren't wearing masks like i'm not wearing a mask in the hotel and stuff they don't say anything about it anymore there's no mandate and so now the the staff is which is a little weird um and some people there are it's like fine if you want to go ahead but most people aren't but then it's like you see like the maids coming and they're all masked up and like i'm not yeah and they like come in to clean your room and they have to wear a mask and i just hate this like feel like there's already this thing where it's kind of like hey like you're cleaning my room for me yeah and like it's already a little bit of a weird feeling like i'm just relaxing and you're cleaning everything up and then you have to i've been at clubs like around the country where like the busboys have masks on and you're in this environment like you're on stage you're having a lot of fun you're telling jokes everyone's in the audience they're having a lot of fun they're drinking they're laughing everyone's having fun the one person here who's working and doing you know kind of this isn't really fun i'm bussing tables and that's the guy who's got to wear the mask i guess it's for appearances but you just like let him well he's being told he has to imagine it's much worse for me when i see like these gala events where all the participants are masculists and all the staff have masks awful and they're standing there with their hands behind their back you know like like your servant class they can't even breathe out of their mouth and nose yeah it's [ __ ] weird man it's weird i was
watching bellator the other day and the bellator fighters i don't know if it's like a commission thing for they were in arizona they had to put their masks on as they got out of the cage so here they are having [ __ ] wars in the cage and then look safety first and they get off they gonna put this [ __ ] cloth mask on they were waiting for them at the gate so as soon as they open maybe it was like a showtime rule because they're like show time mma it's like there's you're like uh the guy's like in your guard and you cut him open with an elbow and he's just bleeding directly into your face but then when you leave they're like don't forget a cloth mouse yeah i really got it that mask on when you walk outside this [ __ ] fenced in environment of doom safety first well i'm so looking forward to this weekend israel addisonia and robert whittaker [ __ ] that's [ __ ] that's an incredible fight that's the fight man at 185 that's the fight bobby knuckles versus the king can whitaker close the gap between what happened that first time and now i mean he's really really tough talented fighter um but god damn izzy really starched him that first time stylebender is so good is his striking is so elite the problem with like what everybody does compared to what he does is uh man you see in the palo costa fight where paulo costa i mean you're talking about a guy who walked down joel romero right paul costa smashes people he just puts it on people it comes forward like this juggernaut and stylebender just picked him apart just picked him apart found those openings and just kept chopping at him and then you see like a look on his face like towards the end of the first round he's realizing i'm [ __ ] here like i can't even touch this guy i'm yeah lit up like he was trying to walk him down and then arizona's footwork so good that he just like couldn't like walk him down and he keeps like he keeps like stepping off to the side and hitting him with different [ __ ] and then he's hitting him with these leg kicks and he can't get the timing and then you kind of see it starting to settle in where it's like oh now his
legs really compromised so now he really can't walk him down because he's just dancing around him and now he's got and then he's like like looking low and coming with high kicks and stuff and you're like oh [ __ ] like you just see it start to settle into his mind that like it's like you're in quicksand falling deeper and deeper into it you're like i'm [ __ ] and then i'm more [ __ ] and more [ __ ] and then the people who many are going to pump dance on top once they stop he humps you the the the people who really appreciate style bender if you talk to like really high level muay thai people really high level strikers they're the ones who like dude what he's doing is art it's art like the first fight with whitaker like towards the end of the first round he had him [ __ ] and then when he ko's him he's like leaning back avoiding a shot and cracks them yeah i know it's free so good he's so good but i want to see like what adjustments whitaker has made i mean obviously i think he's had at least three victories pull up robert whitaker's well he beat cannonier he beat gaslum and i think there was another one in there i think they were all decisions but also they were pretty one-sided decisions tough guys and very tough guys and very dominant performances yeah um i mean and you know remember gastelum had a war with style bender uh yeah that's right the other one that was another big one yeah yeah so those are three like elite fighters and i believe three very good strikers and i believe he had takedowns in all of those fights which was not typically the way he had thought i mean like i'm sure he's always had some wrestling but he wasn't really using his wrestling i don't i don't remember any fights where he took guys down right before then he was always just knocking guys out and stuffing takedowns and knocking guys out and so it's kind of adds an interesting element to it that he's now been like using his offensive wrestling a little bit more because for the israel adasanja fight whether or not he can take him down i think he
really needs to at least make israel arasana think that he might be trying to take him down well marvin vittori got him down a little bit in the first round but then israel put the stop to all that [ __ ] yeah and he [ __ ] him up and vittori's another one vittori's a [ __ ] gorilla that is a big guy when i'm standing next to vittoria i can't imagine how he makes 185 pounds i mean when he's so big he looks like a heavyweight heavyweight whitaker is not that type of not that type of yeah but yamblehovic on the other hand is a really big guy and he was able to control israel take him down and really the ground game was where he scored the probably the most points and had the most dominance in that fight without a son yet that so like a lot of people look at that performance and say well if yon can do it maybe this is the way that someone can beat him i don't think whitaker is obviously not as big and as strong um but what he could maybe do is i think at least if he can land a takedown or two and at least be able to mix up the threat of a takedown with his very good striking he's probably not as good as you know israel assange is striking but still very good i mean you don't want to get hit by that dude maybe that's his way to have a shot i wouldn't bet on whitaker in this fight but i do it's interesting to see it it's very interesting because whitaker is so smart and he's really young still i think whittaker just turned 30. let's see how old is whitaker i feel like he's 30. i feel like he's a couple years ago yeah that sounds about right okay so he's third just turned 31 and israel is 32 or 33. so this is uh 32. so the most interesting fight right now is that fight but that's only because alex pereira doesn't have a lot of ufc fights there's still a lot of questions about whether he'll be able to like deal with you know wrestling like if he can get if he can go through the ranks and get enough wins where now it's he justifies like a title shot but if he does that would that would set up like the
biggest middleweight fight ever yeah that could be set up after this fight if if pereira gets one big victory i mean think about yuri prohaska right yuri's gonna fight for the light heavyweight title yuri starches vulcan ozdimir and then he starches dominic reyes and they're like get him in there fight that's enough yeah i mean i think that's the same with pereira i mean pereira the first guy he beat was you know not an elite fighter or a top contender a very good fighter but he he knocked that guy out with that flying knee but he did am i kidding i think he got taken down in the first round right so i think he got taken down and held down for a little while then they reset in round two knocks him out yeah so it still leaves you with this question in your mind of like obviously we know the guy's striking is insane his knockout power is insane but if a guy at this level already you know took you down and held you down what if derek brunson fights exactly and that guy gets you down i mean what's gonna so maybe that would be a good fight because isn't brunson fighting cannon erin right now runs in fighting cannon that's a big fight too so whoever wins that fight if brunson wins that fight which is big because brunson is a very good wrestler then you see brunson's versus pereira that actually if brunson would sign up for that that makes sense or doesn't it make sense if you don't want to do that because brunson's so high he probably no he probably wants a title shot or he wants to fight sean strickland and then winner gets a title fight or something like that but maybe they're not going to do it that way and they'd rather build this story and put him in there with someone more likely to strike with him i mean bro sean strickland might grapple with him though i mean sean strickland's boxing is excellent but i don't know if you're sean strickland and you're fighting that fight if you were in sean strickland's corner wouldn't you be like maybe try to take this guy down strickland's an unusual character because strickland stands so straight up he stands completely straight up but guys can't take him down
his boxing's very good there and that jab is incredible his distance his ability to understand distance is so good and they attribute that to all the rounds that he spars he apparently spars a lot he's like he just gets to the gym and he goes to war with everybody he just does a shitload of rounds and because of all that sparring he has this like amazing sense of timing and distance and uh that guy jacker manson's no joke he's very good and he had no chance in taking him down he never came closer manson's an excellent fighter but whoever the judge is who gave him that fight should not judge fights anymore never again i mean that's insane insane he went around he definitely didn't win the fight you gave him the fight you gave him the whole fight who looks at that fight and feels like please take me through it explain to me which three rounds i don't know who the judge was we don't even have to call that person out but whoever it was don't do that again stop you don't know what you're doing not only that this isn't even a complicated fight to judge right this is not like a jiu jitsu match where you know like look if a guy takes a guy down and if it turns into like more of a jiu jitsu situation where he comes really close to finishing with a triangle really close to finishing with an arm barbie gets out of it then he hits him with a punch like who wins that exchange complicated right there's various factions that would think that the jiu jitsu guy scored other people say hey he didn't he didn't submit him so it didn't count he didn't take any damage i see those two different arguments but in this case it's a stand-up fight or or even in a stand-up fight like let's say um nate diaz conor mcgregor 2 where you had this round in the second round where conor mcgregor drops nate diaz a couple times but he drops him with one punch nate falls to his guard and he's like come on in coming in and he backs up and then at the end of the round nate diaz puts him against the cage and just unloads with these combinations and hits him with a ton now what do you value more right there there's a debate there this isn't boxing yes this isn't like an automatic i have to score it because you drop down he's telling you come down with me and
you're backing off and then he hits but this wasn't even anything like that this is they're just standing one guy's trying to take the other guy down and can't and he's getting punched in the head more than he's punching this guy in the head clearly his whole face is swollen up yeah i mean it's it's a really bad decision and the fact that it was a split decision like i see that it's heartbreaking that drives me crazy because if you don't know the way it works folks that are listening when the the way the ufc's pay structure works say if you're um sean strickland you know i don't know what he got per that fight let's say he gets 250 000 he might get 250 000 to fight and 250 000 to win like he might get an additional x amount whatever his paycheck is to win so like when they have that kind of a pay structure you're literally getting robbed of half your pay because a judge sucks or two judges suck all he takes is two judges that suck one other guy like that guy and you're [ __ ] out of your money yeah you have someone's uh uh big john mccarthy used to say this uh he goes the judges uh have uh some someone's livelihood in their hands and refs have someone's health in their hands and there's like a lot of there's a lot of pressure on that it's a very important like thing and by the way and most of us i mean some people are a little bit crazy but there are fights out there where it really is close and it's like look i understand where someone might see it this way someone sees it the other way i understand so i re-watched recently the um dominic cruz vs tj dillashaw oh yeah and that's fight is so close man very close and there's so much action and it's like i don't really know i mean this is great crews ended up winning it i have no problem with that if someone i'm sure someone in tj's camp would be like no way we won that i get that too it was great i mean dominic was like landing these takedowns but then tj would pop back up and then you're like well how much does that count for right i mean he got him down but he pops right back up i mean i don't know it's like all this stuff is very hard i forgot to dominic beat tj yeah took his title took back his title
wow and then he went and lost uh to um [Music] uh cody cody yeah yeah dominic cruz's last fight was incredible incredible that was one of my favorite fights i've ever watched it was a dominant cruise fight like like he's 37 years old i think now and not just that turn back to time but he got caught bad first round in the first round and then fought a dominant cruise right after that and he got caught by munoz yeah the guy who knocked out cody nola munoz can crack that it was like it answered every question about him it almost made you go like oh this guy is hasn't lost anything yeah he was moving as good as he's ever moved he was striking as good as he's ever struck and his chin held up too yep so you're like well that's a problem now that's division that's a good argument for him not getting some fight stopped that were stopped like the henry cejudo fight where he felt like it was stopped too soon like he's like yeah i get hurt give me a chance i'll get out of it that was a little bit quick that stoppage was with he did get he did get hurt you got her a little bit quick i mean but i'm in his corner in that regard like i feel like a referee has to take into account the resiliency of the fighter and guys like dominic cruz his mind is so strong i was so happy to interview him because i love the guy so watching him win like that after like i mean no one has had the resolve tested more than dominic cruz he's had so many surgeries he had so many [ __ ] catastrophic injuries he missed years of his prime yeah missed years of his problem like when he was the absolute best guy in the division no question came back got the title back then then lost it then had more injuries after that came back and just sort of watched that it was like at that point it's like i don't even care if you how you feel about him you have to be rooting for this dude at this point you have to be yeah i mean or not i mean whatever he said i guess you don't have to but i think you should amazing commentator too he's one of my favorite commentators he's he's so technical he's very good at like breaking down
scenarios and what's happening because he's not just an mma fighter but he's not just an analyst but he also coaches people so it's like his and you know he has a website now i believe he has uh a website dedicated to like tutorials specifically on his footwork which is amazing i mean dominic cruz is uh like a real innovator in terms of footwork and movement like when he came along it took alpha male many fighters to fight him before they kind of cracked the code and they cracked it with cody but i attribute a lot of that to cody's skills lined up well with dominic skills cody was a very good wrestler who is wicked boxing knockout power and he's fast as [ __ ] yeah the speed was a big factor in that too yeah big factor and that that had i mean it was also the team at alpha male had prepared uriah faber or tj they they had prepared for dominic so many times they knew what to expect they had a lot of his patterns sort of in their head yeah for sure who else is on this weekend oh and derek lewis for for who gets to be that guy in the division that's a good fight too derek lewis and tai tui vasa is a great fight you know they're talking about jon jones and stipe for an interim title because francis has to get his knee reconstructed well i saw jon jones tweeted uh calling him out i hope that happens what else is going on this this card anything else scroll the pitbull yeah how about androwski still doing it [ __ ] swinging keep swinging but it's the canon ear derrick brunson that's a big fight about it's a very big fight ever since derek brunson dyed his hair blonde he's undefeated you don't want to crazy you don't want to see blonde derrick brunson in the octagon well he does seem to have like really turned a corner where he kind of went from being this guy who was almost falling into a gatekeeper type status like we start thinking you're a real contender if you can beat derek brunson yeah to going on this streak now where you're like oh derek brunson is actually really looking like he's putting it all together now that's pretty interesting that's another example how god damn good style bender is yeah style bender lit him up like a christmas tree yeah yeah
he did that was that was the one with that that's almost what i meant by that is that was the fight where we all like kind of started realizing how how good he was putting it together for mma yeah you know like where you're like oh wow and he can really deal and with a wrestler too and he was really able to deal with that such a great sport yeah it's the best i never get tired of watching fights never never get tired of it it's the only uh it's the only spot i mean i grew up loving like i loved basketball and i loved i used to i used to play basketball used to love watching baseball and football and all this i don't watch any sport anymore but i watch all the ufcs yeah because i just can't it's like i got two kids now i got a career and got all this stuff so you're like look i can only justify so much time that i'm spending on this you know and it's like but there's one i'm gonna pick one and if i have to pick one that's like i'm not gonna miss the ufc exactly i don't care um dave smith you're the [ __ ] man thanks for coming i appreciate you thank you so much brother i always enjoy it you're a [ __ ] i'm i'm just uh in awe of you dude it's incredible what you've uh you've built here man to accident well it's a glorious accident and whether you want it or not now you have it okay i'll take it oh can i uh just say that by the way uh you know my podcast part of the problem but me and louis just started doing an mma podcast oh nice uh yo mma rap every week we wrap up the last week in mma and we're just idiots is there a logo like yo mtv raps you know it is joe rogan you know it is uh but we're just literally it's just just being like silly and funny and having fun with it but yeah check that out beautiful all right and uh instagram twitter it's all dave smith uh comic dave smith on twitter at the problem dave smith on instagram okay beautiful thank you brother thank you bye everybody [Music] [Applause] you